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Given the enormous world focus on the Israel/Gaza conflict, people might be interested in my two most recent articles on that topic:

I also did a long podcast interview on the subject a week or two ago:

 
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  1. Lavrov facetiously airbrushing, with cheap paint, mind you, the pivotal Russian role in fabricating, and populating, the Rothschild neocolony in Palestine.

    Lavrov blames Anglo-Saxons for pushing Middle East towards big war
    https://tass.com/politics/1702181

    Trumpet’s spray-on fake orange tan looks better.

    • Replies: @meena
    @Jesuitic Ziowahhabiz

    It was the Jewish delegation from Russia that forced Herzl to abandon thoughts of any non-Palestinian locations . Chaim Weizmann also dismissed the idea of any place other than Palestine.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  2. NATO = ZOG
    Ukraine = ZOG
    Russia = ZOG
    China = ZOG

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Nico X

    Christmas = Egg NOG!

  3. The Marvels is set to release this Thursday. Ticket presales indicate it will be the worst performing movie in franchise history. Even Hollywood mouth pieces are now doom calling the MCU.

    It is unlikely that Bob Iger will admit his divisive race & gender swaps are the problem. Will a shareholder revolt finally kick him out?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    The Marvels is set to release this Thursday. Ticket presales indicate it will be the worst performing movie in franchise history.

    Well finally some good news.

    Those comic book movies are played out and 90% of them are garbage.

    It is unlikely that Bob Iger will admit his divisive race & gender swaps are the problem. Will a shareholder revolt finally kick him out?

    That isn't the problem. Those movies would still suck even with an all-White cast.

    They don't have good writers and continue to overrely on CGI and merchandise sales.

    I used to know someone that worked at one of these studios. He said they don't even care if Americans like the movies. They make plenty from overseas sales where people watch this garbage because it is eyecandy with subtitles.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Not Raul
    @A123

    Iger shouldn’t have retired until he found a solid successor, and he shouldn’t have come back.

    Before he retired the first time, he was considered a legend.

  4. A post-Kiev regime controlled Ukraine isn’t so unrealistic given the horrifically tragic svidomite missteps –

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Zelda shirt guy doesn't make any sense.

    Why would it be for a win for Putin at the current lines? He tried to take it all and his main goal of the war was to stop the expansion of NATO. Well that didn't happen as Finland has joined. He doesn't have all of Donbas and is willing to negotiate.


    Some good fireworks in Crimea
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yq4jCeSaFz0

    Replies: @A123

  5. Also of note is that deaths are concentrated regionally: 69% in the West, and just 52% in the East. This implies heavier losses from the main bastions of Ukrainian Nationalists. The implications of that are pretty obvious.

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/western-officials-increasingly-pushing

    Just to correct some misinformation in the previous thread.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @LondonBob

    Some "stalemate".

  6. @LondonBob

    Also of note is that deaths are concentrated regionally: 69% in the West, and just 52% in the East. This implies heavier losses from the main bastions of Ukrainian Nationalists. The implications of that are pretty obvious.
     
    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/western-officials-increasingly-pushing

    Just to correct some misinformation in the previous thread.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Some “stalemate”.

  7. @Mikhail
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09er0WPT7Ro

    A post-Kiev regime controlled Ukraine isn't so unrealistic given the horrifically tragic svidomite missteps -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGPeNGQbD8E

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Zelda shirt guy doesn’t make any sense.

    Why would it be for a win for Putin at the current lines? He tried to take it all and his main goal of the war was to stop the expansion of NATO. Well that didn’t happen as Finland has joined. He doesn’t have all of Donbas and is willing to negotiate.

    Some good fireworks in Crimea
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yq4jCeSaFz0

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson


    Why would it be for a win for Putin at the current lines?
     
    What did Russia gain:

    • Land bridge protecting Crimea
    • Dnieper access for Crimean water supply
    • ZNPP to power the 4 Oblasts joining Russia
    • No NATO ever for Ukraine

    What did Russia lose? Two countries, fully integrated and cooperating with European militaries, joined many other European countries in NATO. The change in status is more symbolic than substantial. Thus, Russia made real world physical gains on the ground while conceding symbolism. International leaders and decision makers PERCEIVE that trade = Putin Winning.

    You may of course choose to be part of a tiny minority with a different perception of the situation. However, you need to grasp that very few people share your view. And, no one in your microscopic conceptual sliver influences world events in any material way.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson, @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

  8. @A123
    The Marvels is set to release this Thursday. Ticket presales indicate it will be the worst performing movie in franchise history. Even Hollywood mouth pieces are now doom calling the MCU.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3X1qIZf0w9w

    It is unlikely that Bob Iger will admit his divisive race & gender swaps are the problem. Will a shareholder revolt finally kick him out?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Not Raul

    The Marvels is set to release this Thursday. Ticket presales indicate it will be the worst performing movie in franchise history.

    Well finally some good news.

    Those comic book movies are played out and 90% of them are garbage.

    It is unlikely that Bob Iger will admit his divisive race & gender swaps are the problem. Will a shareholder revolt finally kick him out?

    That isn’t the problem. Those movies would still suck even with an all-White cast.

    They don’t have good writers and continue to overrely on CGI and merchandise sales.

    I used to know someone that worked at one of these studios. He said they don’t even care if Americans like the movies. They make plenty from overseas sales where people watch this garbage because it is eyecandy with subtitles.

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson


    They make plenty from overseas sales where people watch this garbage because it is eyecandy with subtitles.
     
    You may notice a subtle difference between the China and U.S. posters for this movie.

     
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8f/cb/1c/8fcb1c55309d1e4a07322f2f1404ac93.png
     

    SJW messages don't make money overseas either.

    They don’t have good writers and continue to overrely on CGI and merchandise sales.
     
    I concur.

    One can tell good stories -or- push a deviant woke agenda. Disney chose the later.

    Poor writing leads to late changes. Requiring CGI rework with insufficient time produces results that are laughable fails. Conditions are so bad, the VFX studios with Disney contracts are unionizing.

    The unsold merchandise associated with failed movies and characters is massive. Eternals came out in 2021 and discounters are still flooded with those toys.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QlhJF74dW08

    Perlmutter was their best merchandising guy. He was forced out for being correct that bad movies will not move toys. Also, he dared to state that female action figures sell vastly worse than male ones, with very rare exceptions. He is one of the people working with Nelson Peltz on the shareholder effort to oust Bob Iger.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

  9. Based on the Nashville trannifesto (don’t know why Sailer puts an ‘s’ in there), I speculate that the shooter could have been identified as being psychotic many years beforehand, by an AI handwriting and composition analysis, with physiognomy thrown in.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @songbird

    And spelling, as well.
    _______
    Is Scholz cucking the Jays, when he says he will begin deporting on a 'grand scale?'

    BTW, I didn't watch it, but DW is running stories like this now:
    https://youtu.be/jBdyqE20smI?si=H6wxJgRU-cKhXtp9

  10. @Nico X
    NATO = ZOG
    Ukraine = ZOG
    Russia = ZOG
    China = ZOG

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Christmas = Egg NOG!

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  11. What is pictured in wallpainting right next to wall clock? Judging with ignorant eye from afar, looks like it could be some scene about three musketeers and cardinal Richelieu;)

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death

    It represents the takeover of New Amsterdam by the English.
    The picture can be seen on this site, together with some other murals from room 300 of NY court of appeals:
    https://history.nycourts.gov/60-centre-street-lookback/
    If you click on it, you can make out the inscription below: "In 1664 the province of New Netherland passed from the Dutch to the English".
    The guy with the wooden leg is the last Dutch governor Petrus Stuyvesant:
    https://www.mcny.org/petrus-stuyvesant

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  12. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Zelda shirt guy doesn't make any sense.

    Why would it be for a win for Putin at the current lines? He tried to take it all and his main goal of the war was to stop the expansion of NATO. Well that didn't happen as Finland has joined. He doesn't have all of Donbas and is willing to negotiate.


    Some good fireworks in Crimea
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yq4jCeSaFz0

    Replies: @A123

    Why would it be for a win for Putin at the current lines?

    What did Russia gain:

    • Land bridge protecting Crimea
    • Dnieper access for Crimean water supply
    • ZNPP to power the 4 Oblasts joining Russia
    • No NATO ever for Ukraine

    What did Russia lose? Two countries, fully integrated and cooperating with European militaries, joined many other European countries in NATO. The change in status is more symbolic than substantial. Thus, Russia made real world physical gains on the ground while conceding symbolism. International leaders and decision makers PERCEIVE that trade = Putin Winning.

    You may of course choose to be part of a tiny minority with a different perception of the situation. However, you need to grasp that very few people share your view. And, no one in your microscopic conceptual sliver influences world events in any material way.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @A123


    • Dnieper access for Crimean water supply
     
    I thought that after the Kakhovka Dam destruction, this was no longer true?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Kakhovka_Dam

    Quite interesting that Melitopol, one of the Ukrainian cities that Russia actually did conquer, was the birthplace of one of the prominent WWII-era Ukrainian nationalists:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmytro_Dontsov

    Russian rule in Melitopol, in addition to being very oppressive, has also been cringe:

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/moscow-reinstates-lenin-statue-in-ukraines-melitopol-years-after-kyiv-took-it-down/

    Replies: @A123

    , @John Johnson
    @A123


    Why would it be for a win for Putin at the current lines?
     
    What did Russia gain:
    No NATO ever for Ukraine

    How do you know that was gained when negotiations haven't happened? We don't know if Russia will make that demand. He hasn't demanded that Finland leave NATO.

    Ukraine is closer to joining NATO than they were before the war. They didn't have the votes of France and Germany before the invasion.

    There is also the question of Zaporizhia. They weren't part of LPR/DPR and were strong supporters of Zelensky. Are we supposed to believe they voted to join Russia?

    International leaders and decision makers PERCEIVE that trade = Putin Winning.

    The world views Putin as winning even though the UN voted 143-5 that the annexations were illegal? Most world leaders view him as an angry dwarf tyrant. Slicing off a piece of Ukraine will not change that view.

    You may of course choose to be part of a tiny minority with a different perception of the situation.

    I asked why it is a win if he tried to take it all. He also stated that the primary goal is to stop the Eastward expansion of NATO.

    I'm judging him based on his own goals as stated in the invasion speech:

    “Today, I again consider it necessary to come back to the tragic events taking place in the Donbas and the key issue of ensuring Russian security. Let me start with what I said in my address of February 21. I am referring to what causes us particular concern and anxiety – those fundamental threats against our country that year after year, step by step, are offensively and unceremoniously created by irresponsible politicians in the West.

    “I am referring to the expansion of the NATO to the east, moving its military infrastructure closer to Russian borders.

    NATO is now closer to Russian borders. Finland shares more border with NATO and is closer to Russia's population centers.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/putins-speech-declaring-war-on-ukraine-translated-excerpts

    Are we supposed to ignore his original speech and pretend the war was about gaining a bridge and a powerplant?

    Why would this be a win for Russia based on Putin's goals? Seems like a disaster where neither side wins.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @QCIC

    , @Mikhail
    @A123

    Like talking to a wall.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    The war is not over yet. I suggest that you reserve your Putlerite ass licking comments for after the war. I don't think, however, that there will be much to cheer about at that time.

    Replies: @Derer

  13. @A123
    @John Johnson


    Why would it be for a win for Putin at the current lines?
     
    What did Russia gain:

    • Land bridge protecting Crimea
    • Dnieper access for Crimean water supply
    • ZNPP to power the 4 Oblasts joining Russia
    • No NATO ever for Ukraine

    What did Russia lose? Two countries, fully integrated and cooperating with European militaries, joined many other European countries in NATO. The change in status is more symbolic than substantial. Thus, Russia made real world physical gains on the ground while conceding symbolism. International leaders and decision makers PERCEIVE that trade = Putin Winning.

    You may of course choose to be part of a tiny minority with a different perception of the situation. However, you need to grasp that very few people share your view. And, no one in your microscopic conceptual sliver influences world events in any material way.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson, @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    • Dnieper access for Crimean water supply

    I thought that after the Kakhovka Dam destruction, this was no longer true?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Kakhovka_Dam

    Quite interesting that Melitopol, one of the Ukrainian cities that Russia actually did conquer, was the birthplace of one of the prominent WWII-era Ukrainian nationalists:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmytro_Dontsov

    Russian rule in Melitopol, in addition to being very oppressive, has also been cringe:

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/moscow-reinstates-lenin-statue-in-ukraines-melitopol-years-after-kyiv-took-it-down/

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @A123
    @Mr. XYZ



    What did Russia gain:
    • Dnieper access for Crimean water supply
     
    I thought that after the Kakhovka Dam destruction, this was no longer true?
     
    Kiev's wanton destruction of the Kakhovka Dam did interrupt short-term water distribution. The point I made is about long-term Russian gains. The critical win is access for future supply.

    Russia has a number of options to deal with the damage caused by Zelensky's thugs. For example, a simple intake structure and lift pumps powered by electricity from Russia's ZNPP. That is much easier than the Kerch Strait bridge project.

    PEACE 😇
  14. @Mr. XYZ
    @A123


    • Dnieper access for Crimean water supply
     
    I thought that after the Kakhovka Dam destruction, this was no longer true?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Kakhovka_Dam

    Quite interesting that Melitopol, one of the Ukrainian cities that Russia actually did conquer, was the birthplace of one of the prominent WWII-era Ukrainian nationalists:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmytro_Dontsov

    Russian rule in Melitopol, in addition to being very oppressive, has also been cringe:

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/moscow-reinstates-lenin-statue-in-ukraines-melitopol-years-after-kyiv-took-it-down/

    Replies: @A123

    What did Russia gain:
    • Dnieper access for Crimean water supply

    I thought that after the Kakhovka Dam destruction, this was no longer true?

    Kiev’s wanton destruction of the Kakhovka Dam did interrupt short-term water distribution. The point I made is about long-term Russian gains. The critical win is access for future supply.

    Russia has a number of options to deal with the damage caused by Zelensky’s thugs. For example, a simple intake structure and lift pumps powered by electricity from Russia’s ZNPP. That is much easier than the Kerch Strait bridge project.

    PEACE 😇

  15. @A123
    The Marvels is set to release this Thursday. Ticket presales indicate it will be the worst performing movie in franchise history. Even Hollywood mouth pieces are now doom calling the MCU.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3X1qIZf0w9w

    It is unlikely that Bob Iger will admit his divisive race & gender swaps are the problem. Will a shareholder revolt finally kick him out?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Not Raul

    Iger shouldn’t have retired until he found a solid successor, and he shouldn’t have come back.

    Before he retired the first time, he was considered a legend.

  16. @John Johnson
    @A123

    The Marvels is set to release this Thursday. Ticket presales indicate it will be the worst performing movie in franchise history.

    Well finally some good news.

    Those comic book movies are played out and 90% of them are garbage.

    It is unlikely that Bob Iger will admit his divisive race & gender swaps are the problem. Will a shareholder revolt finally kick him out?

    That isn't the problem. Those movies would still suck even with an all-White cast.

    They don't have good writers and continue to overrely on CGI and merchandise sales.

    I used to know someone that worked at one of these studios. He said they don't even care if Americans like the movies. They make plenty from overseas sales where people watch this garbage because it is eyecandy with subtitles.

    Replies: @A123

    They make plenty from overseas sales where people watch this garbage because it is eyecandy with subtitles.

    You may notice a subtle difference between the China and U.S. posters for this movie.

     

     

    SJW messages don’t make money overseas either.

    They don’t have good writers and continue to overrely on CGI and merchandise sales.

    I concur.

    One can tell good stories -or- push a deviant woke agenda. Disney chose the later.

    Poor writing leads to late changes. Requiring CGI rework with insufficient time produces results that are laughable fails. Conditions are so bad, the VFX studios with Disney contracts are unionizing.

    The unsold merchandise associated with failed movies and characters is massive. Eternals came out in 2021 and discounters are still flooded with those toys.

    Perlmutter was their best merchandising guy. He was forced out for being correct that bad movies will not move toys. Also, he dared to state that female action figures sell vastly worse than male ones, with very rare exceptions. He is one of the people working with Nelson Peltz on the shareholder effort to oust Bob Iger.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    SJW messages don’t make money overseas either.

    Black Panther features Black characters. I don't see how that would be a SJW message.

    I really don't care if Disney wants to have movies with non-White actors. In fact I don't get why (White) nerds seem to think all lead characters should be White and male.

    The problem is that the movies suck. The new Star Wars movies for example are all terrible. Even if you made the actors all-White they would still be using lazy re-hashed scripts. The best content is on Disney+ and it isn't related to a lack of minorities. Mandalorian and Andor are good series and have a lot of non-Whites. They also have good writers that focus on quality episodes.

    There is also no reason to assume that a White cast would fix these bombs they keep producing. Mark Hamil for example is a lousy screen actor. The originals are great movies but his lines are cringe. There is a reason why Harrison Ford went on to make movies but not Mark Hamil.

    I don't deny that Disney will insert SWJ messages or up the diversity to 11. The gay kid and whiney straight men in Strange World were total cringe. Really would have been a decent movie otherwise.

    But I think the main problem is a lack of good story writing. They just don't care about telling stories. They churn out CGI eye candy and try to hit every diversity box. Returning to all-White casts wouldn't solve the problem.

    The unsold merchandise associated with failed movies and characters is massive. Eternals came out in 2021 and discounters are still flooded with those toys.

    There is always Black Panther stuff on clearance at Walmart. I just wish it was useful like toilet paper or paper towels.

    Also, he dared to state that female action figures sell vastly worse than male ones, with very rare exceptions.

    They at least scaled those down a bit. There was a Christmas where some executive clearly thought that action figures for girls were going to be a big seller. Walmart had them on clearance for months. Total gender denial. Girls here in rural America will play with nerf guns and pink 4x4s but I never see them playing with action figures.

    Replies: @A123, @Wokechoke

  17. @A123
    @John Johnson


    Why would it be for a win for Putin at the current lines?
     
    What did Russia gain:

    • Land bridge protecting Crimea
    • Dnieper access for Crimean water supply
    • ZNPP to power the 4 Oblasts joining Russia
    • No NATO ever for Ukraine

    What did Russia lose? Two countries, fully integrated and cooperating with European militaries, joined many other European countries in NATO. The change in status is more symbolic than substantial. Thus, Russia made real world physical gains on the ground while conceding symbolism. International leaders and decision makers PERCEIVE that trade = Putin Winning.

    You may of course choose to be part of a tiny minority with a different perception of the situation. However, you need to grasp that very few people share your view. And, no one in your microscopic conceptual sliver influences world events in any material way.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson, @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    Why would it be for a win for Putin at the current lines?

    What did Russia gain:
    No NATO ever for Ukraine

    How do you know that was gained when negotiations haven’t happened? We don’t know if Russia will make that demand. He hasn’t demanded that Finland leave NATO.

    Ukraine is closer to joining NATO than they were before the war. They didn’t have the votes of France and Germany before the invasion.

    There is also the question of Zaporizhia. They weren’t part of LPR/DPR and were strong supporters of Zelensky. Are we supposed to believe they voted to join Russia?

    International leaders and decision makers PERCEIVE that trade = Putin Winning.

    The world views Putin as winning even though the UN voted 143-5 that the annexations were illegal? Most world leaders view him as an angry dwarf tyrant. Slicing off a piece of Ukraine will not change that view.

    You may of course choose to be part of a tiny minority with a different perception of the situation.

    I asked why it is a win if he tried to take it all. He also stated that the primary goal is to stop the Eastward expansion of NATO.

    I’m judging him based on his own goals as stated in the invasion speech:

    “Today, I again consider it necessary to come back to the tragic events taking place in the Donbas and the key issue of ensuring Russian security. Let me start with what I said in my address of February 21. I am referring to what causes us particular concern and anxiety – those fundamental threats against our country that year after year, step by step, are offensively and unceremoniously created by irresponsible politicians in the West.

    “I am referring to the expansion of the NATO to the east, moving its military infrastructure closer to Russian borders.

    NATO is now closer to Russian borders. Finland shares more border with NATO and is closer to Russia’s population centers.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/putins-speech-declaring-war-on-ukraine-translated-excerpts

    Are we supposed to ignore his original speech and pretend the war was about gaining a bridge and a powerplant?

    Why would this be a win for Russia based on Putin’s goals? Seems like a disaster where neither side wins.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    Hypothetically Turkey could exit NATO though.

    , @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    What's the rush?

    In the big picture the SMO is still in Phase 1 or Act I if you prefer. In this scheme of nation re-building Phase I includes all serious combat, Phase 2 is about political restructuring and tying up loose ends (including car bombs and IEDs) and Phase 3 is rebuilding.

    Based on what we have seen so far, this is my view:

    Phase 1 is 3 years.
    Phase 2 is 6 years.
    Phase 3 is 15 years (1 time constant).

    Replies: @John Johnson

  18. @A123
    @John Johnson


    They make plenty from overseas sales where people watch this garbage because it is eyecandy with subtitles.
     
    You may notice a subtle difference between the China and U.S. posters for this movie.

     
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8f/cb/1c/8fcb1c55309d1e4a07322f2f1404ac93.png
     

    SJW messages don't make money overseas either.

    They don’t have good writers and continue to overrely on CGI and merchandise sales.
     
    I concur.

    One can tell good stories -or- push a deviant woke agenda. Disney chose the later.

    Poor writing leads to late changes. Requiring CGI rework with insufficient time produces results that are laughable fails. Conditions are so bad, the VFX studios with Disney contracts are unionizing.

    The unsold merchandise associated with failed movies and characters is massive. Eternals came out in 2021 and discounters are still flooded with those toys.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QlhJF74dW08

    Perlmutter was their best merchandising guy. He was forced out for being correct that bad movies will not move toys. Also, he dared to state that female action figures sell vastly worse than male ones, with very rare exceptions. He is one of the people working with Nelson Peltz on the shareholder effort to oust Bob Iger.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    SJW messages don’t make money overseas either.

    Black Panther features Black characters. I don’t see how that would be a SJW message.

    I really don’t care if Disney wants to have movies with non-White actors. In fact I don’t get why (White) nerds seem to think all lead characters should be White and male.

    The problem is that the movies suck. The new Star Wars movies for example are all terrible. Even if you made the actors all-White they would still be using lazy re-hashed scripts. The best content is on Disney+ and it isn’t related to a lack of minorities. Mandalorian and Andor are good series and have a lot of non-Whites. They also have good writers that focus on quality episodes.

    There is also no reason to assume that a White cast would fix these bombs they keep producing. Mark Hamil for example is a lousy screen actor. The originals are great movies but his lines are cringe. There is a reason why Harrison Ford went on to make movies but not Mark Hamil.

    I don’t deny that Disney will insert SWJ messages or up the diversity to 11. The gay kid and whiney straight men in Strange World were total cringe. Really would have been a decent movie otherwise.

    But I think the main problem is a lack of good story writing. They just don’t care about telling stories. They churn out CGI eye candy and try to hit every diversity box. Returning to all-White casts wouldn’t solve the problem.

    The unsold merchandise associated with failed movies and characters is massive. Eternals came out in 2021 and discounters are still flooded with those toys.

    There is always Black Panther stuff on clearance at Walmart. I just wish it was useful like toilet paper or paper towels.

    Also, he dared to state that female action figures sell vastly worse than male ones, with very rare exceptions.

    They at least scaled those down a bit. There was a Christmas where some executive clearly thought that action figures for girls were going to be a big seller. Walmart had them on clearance for months. Total gender denial. Girls here in rural America will play with nerf guns and pink 4x4s but I never see them playing with action figures.

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson

    I believe you are misreading my posts. You inserted the phrase "All White". If you go back & carefully review, you will see that I never said that. What I offered was:


    A123: I concur. One can tell good stories -or- push a deviant woke agenda. Disney chose the later.
     
    So to address your comment:

    JJ: Mandalorian and Andor are good series and have a lot of non-Whites. They also have good writers that focus on quality episodes.
     
    Mando Season 1 avoided being SJW Woke, and thus was not guaranteed to have bad writing. If you go back and re-watch, it is "comfortably mid". The Rey Palpatine trilogy made it look good by comparison. Right show at the right time.

    Mando Season 2 was thin & filled with call backs. There was so little story it was incidentally inoffensive. Season 3 is an abominable SJW train wreck featuring Lizzo, and of course bad writing. It can be mocked in humorous fashion though, for example:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vyOPqnp8BaM

    Andor Season 1 avoided being SJW Woke, and thus was not guaranteed to have bad writing. It had good writing, good casting, and was effectively done before HQ took the opportunity to look at it. Supposedly they were appalled, pulled the marketing effort for it, and thus ensured it had the minimum number of viewers despite being the best Star Wars product out there.

    There will be a Season 2 of Andor, but I have not heard if it is SJW Woke and thus guaranteed to be badly written.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    Rogue One and Han Solo were in fact very good films.

    It’s a great pity that George Lucas didn’t have those two as the prequels to Star Wars: New Hope.

    Loosely enough based on the Space Opera conception but gave a little background to Han as a young criminal and the Rebels as an accidental event.


    It’s a pity about the ponderously made 1,2,3.

    Instead perhaps the first film should have started where a mysteriously enraged Anakin kills all the child Jedi and has a duel with Obi Wan. Then we see him rebuilt/born as Vader doing something mean like bombard a sand dune slum while looking for his own children. Make it Spicy and have the Twins be the result of a rape by Anakin.

    The films after meh. Waste of time. The identity of the Emperor was a huge waste of time.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @John Johnson, @Societal Spectacle

  19. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    What is pictured in wallpainting right next to wall clock? Judging with ignorant eye from afar, looks like it could be some scene about three musketeers and cardinal Richelieu;)

    https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/digital-images/org/0f39e084-b43f-4e9a-85c1-2b72eaba1c59.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader

    It represents the takeover of New Amsterdam by the English.
    The picture can be seen on this site, together with some other murals from room 300 of NY court of appeals:
    https://history.nycourts.gov/60-centre-street-lookback/
    If you click on it, you can make out the inscription below: “In 1664 the province of New Netherland passed from the Dutch to the English”.
    The guy with the wooden leg is the last Dutch governor Petrus Stuyvesant:
    https://www.mcny.org/petrus-stuyvesant

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    Peter hated Jews.

    https://therightstuff.biz/2023/10/28/njp-protest-in-washington-against-israel/

    He had the right stuff

  20. News you cannot use.

    Only a few days after Ukie military chief Zaluzhny gave not-so-upbeat interview to The Economist, which annoyed Ukie clown-in-chief no end, Zaluzhny’s assistant major Gennady Chistyakov died of explosion in his home in Kiev region. His son was severely wounded.

    There are two versions regarding this event.
    One, the official, pushed by the Ukie Internal Ministry: he blew himself up while playing with a hand grenade.
    Two, the version supported by the photos from the scene and reiterated by Zaluzhniy himself: the process of opening of one of his birthday presents triggered built-in explosive device. Unofficial source in the Ukie Internal Ministry says that the present with the explosive device was from senior assistant to Zaluzhny’s deputy certain Timchenko A.V.

    Although I don’t think anyone should shed any tears on the account of Chistyakov’s demise, it is curious that impending catastrophe of the Kiev regime makes the snakes in the snake pit bite each other.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Have you read Unz' front page piece?

    Best bit is something like this isn't an eye for an eye it's more like a neighborhood for an eye.

    He cites you. The thing about wanting to hang the administrators of the International Crime Court. : )

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  21. @AnonfromTN
    News you cannot use.

    Only a few days after Ukie military chief Zaluzhny gave not-so-upbeat interview to The Economist, which annoyed Ukie clown-in-chief no end, Zaluzhny’s assistant major Gennady Chistyakov died of explosion in his home in Kiev region. His son was severely wounded.

    There are two versions regarding this event.
    One, the official, pushed by the Ukie Internal Ministry: he blew himself up while playing with a hand grenade.
    Two, the version supported by the photos from the scene and reiterated by Zaluzhniy himself: the process of opening of one of his birthday presents triggered built-in explosive device. Unofficial source in the Ukie Internal Ministry says that the present with the explosive device was from senior assistant to Zaluzhny’s deputy certain Timchenko A.V.

    Although I don’t think anyone should shed any tears on the account of Chistyakov’s demise, it is curious that impending catastrophe of the Kiev regime makes the snakes in the snake pit bite each other.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Have you read Unz’ front page piece?

    Best bit is something like this isn’t an eye for an eye it’s more like a neighborhood for an eye.

    He cites you. The thing about wanting to hang the administrators of the International Crime Court. : )

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    He cites you.
     
    Yes, I’ve read it. I’ve noticed that Ron noticed.

    Let me try another comment that Ron and other people might notice:

    There is a lot of talk about humanitarian pauses in the Israeli bombing of Gaza. In plain English, this is a call for pauses to allow “humanitarians” to feed Gaza women and children before Israel murders them. How incredibly humane! Western values in action, no doubt.

  22. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Have you read Unz' front page piece?

    Best bit is something like this isn't an eye for an eye it's more like a neighborhood for an eye.

    He cites you. The thing about wanting to hang the administrators of the International Crime Court. : )

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    He cites you.

    Yes, I’ve read it. I’ve noticed that Ron noticed.

    Let me try another comment that Ron and other people might notice:

    There is a lot of talk about humanitarian pauses in the Israeli bombing of Gaza. In plain English, this is a call for pauses to allow “humanitarians” to feed Gaza women and children before Israel murders them. How incredibly humane! Western values in action, no doubt.

  23. @songbird
    Based on the Nashville trannifesto (don't know why Sailer puts an 's' in there), I speculate that the shooter could have been identified as being psychotic many years beforehand, by an AI handwriting and composition analysis, with physiognomy thrown in.

    Replies: @songbird

    And spelling, as well.
    _______
    Is Scholz cucking the Jays, when he says he will begin deporting on a ‘grand scale?’

    BTW, I didn’t watch it, but DW is running stories like this now:

    [MORE]

  24. @John Johnson
    @A123

    SJW messages don’t make money overseas either.

    Black Panther features Black characters. I don't see how that would be a SJW message.

    I really don't care if Disney wants to have movies with non-White actors. In fact I don't get why (White) nerds seem to think all lead characters should be White and male.

    The problem is that the movies suck. The new Star Wars movies for example are all terrible. Even if you made the actors all-White they would still be using lazy re-hashed scripts. The best content is on Disney+ and it isn't related to a lack of minorities. Mandalorian and Andor are good series and have a lot of non-Whites. They also have good writers that focus on quality episodes.

    There is also no reason to assume that a White cast would fix these bombs they keep producing. Mark Hamil for example is a lousy screen actor. The originals are great movies but his lines are cringe. There is a reason why Harrison Ford went on to make movies but not Mark Hamil.

    I don't deny that Disney will insert SWJ messages or up the diversity to 11. The gay kid and whiney straight men in Strange World were total cringe. Really would have been a decent movie otherwise.

    But I think the main problem is a lack of good story writing. They just don't care about telling stories. They churn out CGI eye candy and try to hit every diversity box. Returning to all-White casts wouldn't solve the problem.

    The unsold merchandise associated with failed movies and characters is massive. Eternals came out in 2021 and discounters are still flooded with those toys.

    There is always Black Panther stuff on clearance at Walmart. I just wish it was useful like toilet paper or paper towels.

    Also, he dared to state that female action figures sell vastly worse than male ones, with very rare exceptions.

    They at least scaled those down a bit. There was a Christmas where some executive clearly thought that action figures for girls were going to be a big seller. Walmart had them on clearance for months. Total gender denial. Girls here in rural America will play with nerf guns and pink 4x4s but I never see them playing with action figures.

    Replies: @A123, @Wokechoke

    I believe you are misreading my posts. You inserted the phrase “All White”. If you go back & carefully review, you will see that I never said that. What I offered was:

    A123: I concur. One can tell good stories -or- push a deviant woke agenda. Disney chose the later.

    So to address your comment:

    JJ: Mandalorian and Andor are good series and have a lot of non-Whites. They also have good writers that focus on quality episodes.

    Mando Season 1 avoided being SJW Woke, and thus was not guaranteed to have bad writing. If you go back and re-watch, it is “comfortably mid”. The Rey Palpatine trilogy made it look good by comparison. Right show at the right time.

    Mando Season 2 was thin & filled with call backs. There was so little story it was incidentally inoffensive. Season 3 is an abominable SJW train wreck featuring Lizzo, and of course bad writing. It can be mocked in humorous fashion though, for example:

    Andor Season 1 avoided being SJW Woke, and thus was not guaranteed to have bad writing. It had good writing, good casting, and was effectively done before HQ took the opportunity to look at it. Supposedly they were appalled, pulled the marketing effort for it, and thus ensured it had the minimum number of viewers despite being the best Star Wars product out there.

    There will be a Season 2 of Andor, but I have not heard if it is SJW Woke and thus guaranteed to be badly written.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    Mando Season 1 avoided being SJW Woke, and thus was not guaranteed to have bad writing. If you go back and re-watch, it is “comfortably mid”. The Rey Palpatine trilogy made it look good by comparison. Right show at the right time.

    I enjoyed all of the Mandalorian seasons even if some of the YOU GO GIRL scenes were overdone. They at least used a female UFC fighter which is vastly preferable to the Hollywood 5'3 90 pound chick that can beat up full grown men.

    Even the worst Mandalorian episodes are far better than crap like Kenobi. God what a POS. I couldn't make it through half the season. I watched 5 minutes of Ashoka on youttube and that was too much.

    I don't normally like comic book movies but I did enjoy Guardians of the Galaxy.

    Marvels looks awful. White comic book dorks will take their kids anyways which is half the problem. They will pay full price and then blog about how awful it was.

  25. @A123
    @John Johnson


    Why would it be for a win for Putin at the current lines?
     
    What did Russia gain:

    • Land bridge protecting Crimea
    • Dnieper access for Crimean water supply
    • ZNPP to power the 4 Oblasts joining Russia
    • No NATO ever for Ukraine

    What did Russia lose? Two countries, fully integrated and cooperating with European militaries, joined many other European countries in NATO. The change in status is more symbolic than substantial. Thus, Russia made real world physical gains on the ground while conceding symbolism. International leaders and decision makers PERCEIVE that trade = Putin Winning.

    You may of course choose to be part of a tiny minority with a different perception of the situation. However, you need to grasp that very few people share your view. And, no one in your microscopic conceptual sliver influences world events in any material way.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson, @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    Like talking to a wall.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikhail


    Like talking to a wall.

     

    Yes. I know.

    But absurd contrivance at post #7 might scare away potential new commenters with valuable insights. So, sanity and reason had to be placed on display. If JJ had done it at post #200+ it would be much easier to ignore.

    PEACE 😇
  26. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    It represents the takeover of New Amsterdam by the English.
    The picture can be seen on this site, together with some other murals from room 300 of NY court of appeals:
    https://history.nycourts.gov/60-centre-street-lookback/
    If you click on it, you can make out the inscription below: "In 1664 the province of New Netherland passed from the Dutch to the English".
    The guy with the wooden leg is the last Dutch governor Petrus Stuyvesant:
    https://www.mcny.org/petrus-stuyvesant

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  27. @John Johnson
    @A123


    Why would it be for a win for Putin at the current lines?
     
    What did Russia gain:
    No NATO ever for Ukraine

    How do you know that was gained when negotiations haven't happened? We don't know if Russia will make that demand. He hasn't demanded that Finland leave NATO.

    Ukraine is closer to joining NATO than they were before the war. They didn't have the votes of France and Germany before the invasion.

    There is also the question of Zaporizhia. They weren't part of LPR/DPR and were strong supporters of Zelensky. Are we supposed to believe they voted to join Russia?

    International leaders and decision makers PERCEIVE that trade = Putin Winning.

    The world views Putin as winning even though the UN voted 143-5 that the annexations were illegal? Most world leaders view him as an angry dwarf tyrant. Slicing off a piece of Ukraine will not change that view.

    You may of course choose to be part of a tiny minority with a different perception of the situation.

    I asked why it is a win if he tried to take it all. He also stated that the primary goal is to stop the Eastward expansion of NATO.

    I'm judging him based on his own goals as stated in the invasion speech:

    “Today, I again consider it necessary to come back to the tragic events taking place in the Donbas and the key issue of ensuring Russian security. Let me start with what I said in my address of February 21. I am referring to what causes us particular concern and anxiety – those fundamental threats against our country that year after year, step by step, are offensively and unceremoniously created by irresponsible politicians in the West.

    “I am referring to the expansion of the NATO to the east, moving its military infrastructure closer to Russian borders.

    NATO is now closer to Russian borders. Finland shares more border with NATO and is closer to Russia's population centers.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/putins-speech-declaring-war-on-ukraine-translated-excerpts

    Are we supposed to ignore his original speech and pretend the war was about gaining a bridge and a powerplant?

    Why would this be a win for Russia based on Putin's goals? Seems like a disaster where neither side wins.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @QCIC

    Hypothetically Turkey could exit NATO though.

  28. @John Johnson
    @A123

    SJW messages don’t make money overseas either.

    Black Panther features Black characters. I don't see how that would be a SJW message.

    I really don't care if Disney wants to have movies with non-White actors. In fact I don't get why (White) nerds seem to think all lead characters should be White and male.

    The problem is that the movies suck. The new Star Wars movies for example are all terrible. Even if you made the actors all-White they would still be using lazy re-hashed scripts. The best content is on Disney+ and it isn't related to a lack of minorities. Mandalorian and Andor are good series and have a lot of non-Whites. They also have good writers that focus on quality episodes.

    There is also no reason to assume that a White cast would fix these bombs they keep producing. Mark Hamil for example is a lousy screen actor. The originals are great movies but his lines are cringe. There is a reason why Harrison Ford went on to make movies but not Mark Hamil.

    I don't deny that Disney will insert SWJ messages or up the diversity to 11. The gay kid and whiney straight men in Strange World were total cringe. Really would have been a decent movie otherwise.

    But I think the main problem is a lack of good story writing. They just don't care about telling stories. They churn out CGI eye candy and try to hit every diversity box. Returning to all-White casts wouldn't solve the problem.

    The unsold merchandise associated with failed movies and characters is massive. Eternals came out in 2021 and discounters are still flooded with those toys.

    There is always Black Panther stuff on clearance at Walmart. I just wish it was useful like toilet paper or paper towels.

    Also, he dared to state that female action figures sell vastly worse than male ones, with very rare exceptions.

    They at least scaled those down a bit. There was a Christmas where some executive clearly thought that action figures for girls were going to be a big seller. Walmart had them on clearance for months. Total gender denial. Girls here in rural America will play with nerf guns and pink 4x4s but I never see them playing with action figures.

    Replies: @A123, @Wokechoke

    Rogue One and Han Solo were in fact very good films.

    It’s a great pity that George Lucas didn’t have those two as the prequels to Star Wars: New Hope.

    Loosely enough based on the Space Opera conception but gave a little background to Han as a young criminal and the Rebels as an accidental event.

    It’s a pity about the ponderously made 1,2,3.

    Instead perhaps the first film should have started where a mysteriously enraged Anakin kills all the child Jedi and has a duel with Obi Wan. Then we see him rebuilt/born as Vader doing something mean like bombard a sand dune slum while looking for his own children. Make it Spicy and have the Twins be the result of a rape by Anakin.

    The films after meh. Waste of time. The identity of the Emperor was a huge waste of time.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Wokechoke

    Was Lucas's influenced by Yogi Bhajan?

    , @John Johnson
    @Wokechoke

    Rogue One and Han Solo were in fact very good films.

    Agreed and I prefer them to any of the newer stuff. Solo is one of the most underrated Star Wars films. More like an action movie in space.

    Instead perhaps the first film should have started where a mysteriously enraged Anakin kills all the child Jedi and has a duel with Obi Wan. Then we see him rebuilt/born as Vader doing something mean like bombard a sand dune slum while looking for his own children.

    The third one would be decent if not for Hayden Christensen.

    It has some good action scenes but I can't go back and watch it. His lines are awful. Samuel L Jackson seems out of place. His same angry Black man character but with a Jedi outfit. Total eyeroll.

    But the worst Black character by far is jar-jar.

    Replies: @AP, @QCIC

    , @Societal Spectacle
    @Wokechoke

    “Instead perhaps the first film should have started where a mysteriously enraged Anakin kills all the child Jedi and has a duel with Obi Wan.”

    In his perceived inability to save his mother, he first killed a camp of Tusken Raiders. As you described, his rage further devolved into the killings of the Jedi younglings. Developmentally, he best fits into Jane Loevinger’s “self-protective” stage of ego development in which he is need of control to the point of dictating his own sense of moral justice. He in effect emerged as an injustice collector.

    In 1927 Andrew Kehoe, the orchestrator of the Bath school bombing that killed 45 people including 38 children did not leave a note, but he left a sign on his property stating, “Criminals are made, not born.” Kehoe’s mother died while he had been away to college and then working.

    “Clouded this boy’s future is,” Yoda. This statement in review adds to the emergence of his personality throughout the story arc.

  29. @Mikhail
    @A123

    Like talking to a wall.

    Replies: @A123

    Like talking to a wall.

    Yes. I know.

    But absurd contrivance at post #7 might scare away potential new commenters with valuable insights. So, sanity and reason had to be placed on display. If JJ had done it at post #200+ it would be much easier to ignore.

    PEACE 😇

  30. @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    Rogue One and Han Solo were in fact very good films.

    It’s a great pity that George Lucas didn’t have those two as the prequels to Star Wars: New Hope.

    Loosely enough based on the Space Opera conception but gave a little background to Han as a young criminal and the Rebels as an accidental event.


    It’s a pity about the ponderously made 1,2,3.

    Instead perhaps the first film should have started where a mysteriously enraged Anakin kills all the child Jedi and has a duel with Obi Wan. Then we see him rebuilt/born as Vader doing something mean like bombard a sand dune slum while looking for his own children. Make it Spicy and have the Twins be the result of a rape by Anakin.

    The films after meh. Waste of time. The identity of the Emperor was a huge waste of time.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @John Johnson, @Societal Spectacle

    Was Lucas’s influenced by Yogi Bhajan?

  31. @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    Rogue One and Han Solo were in fact very good films.

    It’s a great pity that George Lucas didn’t have those two as the prequels to Star Wars: New Hope.

    Loosely enough based on the Space Opera conception but gave a little background to Han as a young criminal and the Rebels as an accidental event.


    It’s a pity about the ponderously made 1,2,3.

    Instead perhaps the first film should have started where a mysteriously enraged Anakin kills all the child Jedi and has a duel with Obi Wan. Then we see him rebuilt/born as Vader doing something mean like bombard a sand dune slum while looking for his own children. Make it Spicy and have the Twins be the result of a rape by Anakin.

    The films after meh. Waste of time. The identity of the Emperor was a huge waste of time.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @John Johnson, @Societal Spectacle

    Rogue One and Han Solo were in fact very good films.

    Agreed and I prefer them to any of the newer stuff. Solo is one of the most underrated Star Wars films. More like an action movie in space.

    Instead perhaps the first film should have started where a mysteriously enraged Anakin kills all the child Jedi and has a duel with Obi Wan. Then we see him rebuilt/born as Vader doing something mean like bombard a sand dune slum while looking for his own children.

    The third one would be decent if not for Hayden Christensen.

    It has some good action scenes but I can’t go back and watch it. His lines are awful. Samuel L Jackson seems out of place. His same angry Black man character but with a Jedi outfit. Total eyeroll.

    But the worst Black character by far is jar-jar.

    • Replies: @AP
    @John Johnson

    I saw Solo and don't remember it much, so it was neither terrible nor good.

    Rogue One was good, and better than anything other than the original trilogy MO.

    The Lucas prequels were bad, but had good fight scenes at least. The third one was okay. In part, it was a barely veiled analogy of the Bush administration. Lucas may have been more passionate about this for that reason, resulting in a better film than the previous two.

    The last trilogy was terrible, but with nice special effects. I don't remember if I watched all 3.

    I haven't watched any of the TV shows because I don't have Disney + and I couldn't be bothered to pay for them or try to watch them illegally.

    My kids agree with me that all the new Starwars stuff is garbage other than Rogue One. They did not grow up with the first series (though they enjoyed it) so they basically don't care about Star Wars.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson

    , @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    I nominate jar-jar as the worst character of all time.

    To be fair the bit where he got his hand stuck in the engine was actually good.

  32. Bibi just announced that Israel will be occupying Gaza permanently after the ground invasion has been completed. It’s Bibi, so he’ll walk it back but that he’s saying it shows that the government and IDF have already examined all options and realized that they have no choice.

    Biden is in horrendous electoral shape. He appears weak and feckless to swing voters, no Muslim will vote for him, centrist Dems are being turned off by the increasing antisemitism within the Democratic party and black and Latino voters are frustrated by Dems continuing to put the interest of immigrants over their own.

    Not to mention the economy sucks and is getting worse. If the election were held today, Trump would win by 4 points. By the time the actual election gets here, I think Biden will lose by 7 or 8. In fact, things will be so terrible by Nov 24 that I think that 10 points is a possibility. If even my family are growing shaky on Biden, that tells you a lot.

    Gaza should be cleaned up in the next few months after which things will temporarily calm down. Russia is clearly preparing to move on Israel but likely needs a couple more years to properly prepare for an invasion.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Greasy William

    So a Biden landslide this time, eh?

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Greasy William


    Not to mention the economy sucks and is getting worse. If the election were held today, Trump would win by 4 points. By the time the actual election gets here, I think Biden will lose by 7 or 8. In fact, things will be so terrible by Nov 24 that I think that 10 points is a possibility. If even my family are growing shaky on Biden, that tells you a lot.
     
    It could either be a Trump win by several percentage points, a Trump blowout a la Reagan 1980, or a narrow Biden win. Wasn't Obama also behind Romney by several points at this point in time in 2011? And yet Obama beat Romney by four points in the popular vote in (November) 2012 and got a comfortable electoral college victory to boot.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @A123

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    If the election were held today, Trump would win by 4 points. By the time the actual election gets here, I think Biden will lose by 7 or 8. In fact, things will be so terrible by Nov 24 that I think that 10 points is a possibility. If even my family are growing shaky on Biden, that tells you a lot.
     
    Are you really so naïve, or just pretend? In the age of massive voting fraud the opinions of the people, as well as their votes, don’t matter. Serious people will ensure that whoever they want wins, voters be damned. It’s the democracy, stupid! Only vile dictators care what the people in their countries think.

    Replies: @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard

  33. @A123
    @John Johnson

    I believe you are misreading my posts. You inserted the phrase "All White". If you go back & carefully review, you will see that I never said that. What I offered was:


    A123: I concur. One can tell good stories -or- push a deviant woke agenda. Disney chose the later.
     
    So to address your comment:

    JJ: Mandalorian and Andor are good series and have a lot of non-Whites. They also have good writers that focus on quality episodes.
     
    Mando Season 1 avoided being SJW Woke, and thus was not guaranteed to have bad writing. If you go back and re-watch, it is "comfortably mid". The Rey Palpatine trilogy made it look good by comparison. Right show at the right time.

    Mando Season 2 was thin & filled with call backs. There was so little story it was incidentally inoffensive. Season 3 is an abominable SJW train wreck featuring Lizzo, and of course bad writing. It can be mocked in humorous fashion though, for example:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vyOPqnp8BaM

    Andor Season 1 avoided being SJW Woke, and thus was not guaranteed to have bad writing. It had good writing, good casting, and was effectively done before HQ took the opportunity to look at it. Supposedly they were appalled, pulled the marketing effort for it, and thus ensured it had the minimum number of viewers despite being the best Star Wars product out there.

    There will be a Season 2 of Andor, but I have not heard if it is SJW Woke and thus guaranteed to be badly written.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Mando Season 1 avoided being SJW Woke, and thus was not guaranteed to have bad writing. If you go back and re-watch, it is “comfortably mid”. The Rey Palpatine trilogy made it look good by comparison. Right show at the right time.

    I enjoyed all of the Mandalorian seasons even if some of the YOU GO GIRL scenes were overdone. They at least used a female UFC fighter which is vastly preferable to the Hollywood 5’3 90 pound chick that can beat up full grown men.

    Even the worst Mandalorian episodes are far better than crap like Kenobi. God what a POS. I couldn’t make it through half the season. I watched 5 minutes of Ashoka on youttube and that was too much.

    I don’t normally like comic book movies but I did enjoy Guardians of the Galaxy.

    Marvels looks awful. White comic book dorks will take their kids anyways which is half the problem. They will pay full price and then blog about how awful it was.

  34. Dershowitz v Finkelstein:

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikhail

    Did they ask him about Jeff Epstein?

    Did they ask him about Jeff Epstein's classified list of clients?

    If so I'll watch. If not there is nothing Dershowitz has to offer.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikhail

    Didn't Dershowitz engage in some shady behavior a while back to get Finkelstein denied tenure?

    Replies: @Mikhail

  35. @Mikhail
    Dershowitz v Finkelstein:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FthzjSvHWIQ

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    Did they ask him about Jeff Epstein?

    Did they ask him about Jeff Epstein’s classified list of clients?

    If so I’ll watch. If not there is nothing Dershowitz has to offer.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    It's the other guy Finkelstein going against Dersh, which should be intellectually entertaining.

  36. @John Johnson
    @Wokechoke

    Rogue One and Han Solo were in fact very good films.

    Agreed and I prefer them to any of the newer stuff. Solo is one of the most underrated Star Wars films. More like an action movie in space.

    Instead perhaps the first film should have started where a mysteriously enraged Anakin kills all the child Jedi and has a duel with Obi Wan. Then we see him rebuilt/born as Vader doing something mean like bombard a sand dune slum while looking for his own children.

    The third one would be decent if not for Hayden Christensen.

    It has some good action scenes but I can't go back and watch it. His lines are awful. Samuel L Jackson seems out of place. His same angry Black man character but with a Jedi outfit. Total eyeroll.

    But the worst Black character by far is jar-jar.

    Replies: @AP, @QCIC

    I saw Solo and don’t remember it much, so it was neither terrible nor good.

    Rogue One was good, and better than anything other than the original trilogy MO.

    The Lucas prequels were bad, but had good fight scenes at least. The third one was okay. In part, it was a barely veiled analogy of the Bush administration. Lucas may have been more passionate about this for that reason, resulting in a better film than the previous two.

    The last trilogy was terrible, but with nice special effects. I don’t remember if I watched all 3.

    I haven’t watched any of the TV shows because I don’t have Disney + and I couldn’t be bothered to pay for them or try to watch them illegally.

    My kids agree with me that all the new Starwars stuff is garbage other than Rogue One. They did not grow up with the first series (though they enjoyed it) so they basically don’t care about Star Wars.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    I haven’t watched any of the TV shows because I don’t have Disney + and I couldn’t be bothered to pay for them or try to watch them illegally.
     
    Try Netflix. Some of the shows on there are pretty good. Hunter x Hunter (an anime), for instance. And some Latin American movies and TV shows. There's a stereotype that Latin America involves a lot of sex, shootings, and drugs.
    , @John Johnson
    @AP

    I haven’t watched any of the TV shows because I don’t have Disney + and I couldn’t be bothered to pay for them or try to watch them illegally.

    Well at $14 it is the price of a movie ticket and worth it for a few months to stream everything. Mandalorian alone is worth the price.

    I would also check out the Clone Wars movie. Even though it is animated it is still better than the newer stuff.

    They also have some interesting classic stuff. Old Mickey cartoons and stuff.

    Can't seem to find Song of the South though. I'll write Kathleen Kennedy and ask about it.

    Replies: @songbird

  37. @John Johnson
    @Wokechoke

    Rogue One and Han Solo were in fact very good films.

    Agreed and I prefer them to any of the newer stuff. Solo is one of the most underrated Star Wars films. More like an action movie in space.

    Instead perhaps the first film should have started where a mysteriously enraged Anakin kills all the child Jedi and has a duel with Obi Wan. Then we see him rebuilt/born as Vader doing something mean like bombard a sand dune slum while looking for his own children.

    The third one would be decent if not for Hayden Christensen.

    It has some good action scenes but I can't go back and watch it. His lines are awful. Samuel L Jackson seems out of place. His same angry Black man character but with a Jedi outfit. Total eyeroll.

    But the worst Black character by far is jar-jar.

    Replies: @AP, @QCIC

    I nominate jar-jar as the worst character of all time.

    To be fair the bit where he got his hand stuck in the engine was actually good.

    • Agree: John Johnson
  38. @Greasy William
    Bibi just announced that Israel will be occupying Gaza permanently after the ground invasion has been completed. It's Bibi, so he'll walk it back but that he's saying it shows that the government and IDF have already examined all options and realized that they have no choice.

    Biden is in horrendous electoral shape. He appears weak and feckless to swing voters, no Muslim will vote for him, centrist Dems are being turned off by the increasing antisemitism within the Democratic party and black and Latino voters are frustrated by Dems continuing to put the interest of immigrants over their own.

    Not to mention the economy sucks and is getting worse. If the election were held today, Trump would win by 4 points. By the time the actual election gets here, I think Biden will lose by 7 or 8. In fact, things will be so terrible by Nov 24 that I think that 10 points is a possibility. If even my family are growing shaky on Biden, that tells you a lot.

    Gaza should be cleaned up in the next few months after which things will temporarily calm down. Russia is clearly preparing to move on Israel but likely needs a couple more years to properly prepare for an invasion.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @AnonfromTN

    So a Biden landslide this time, eh?

  39. @AP
    @John Johnson

    I saw Solo and don't remember it much, so it was neither terrible nor good.

    Rogue One was good, and better than anything other than the original trilogy MO.

    The Lucas prequels were bad, but had good fight scenes at least. The third one was okay. In part, it was a barely veiled analogy of the Bush administration. Lucas may have been more passionate about this for that reason, resulting in a better film than the previous two.

    The last trilogy was terrible, but with nice special effects. I don't remember if I watched all 3.

    I haven't watched any of the TV shows because I don't have Disney + and I couldn't be bothered to pay for them or try to watch them illegally.

    My kids agree with me that all the new Starwars stuff is garbage other than Rogue One. They did not grow up with the first series (though they enjoyed it) so they basically don't care about Star Wars.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson

    I haven’t watched any of the TV shows because I don’t have Disney + and I couldn’t be bothered to pay for them or try to watch them illegally.

    Try Netflix. Some of the shows on there are pretty good. Hunter x Hunter (an anime), for instance. And some Latin American movies and TV shows. There’s a stereotype that Latin America involves a lot of sex, shootings, and drugs.

  40. @Mikhail
    Dershowitz v Finkelstein:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FthzjSvHWIQ

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    Didn’t Dershowitz engage in some shady behavior a while back to get Finkelstein denied tenure?

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ

    Wouldn't surprise. Dersh has been kveching about penalizing students expressing pro-Pal/anti-Israeli views.

  41. @John Johnson
    @A123


    Why would it be for a win for Putin at the current lines?
     
    What did Russia gain:
    No NATO ever for Ukraine

    How do you know that was gained when negotiations haven't happened? We don't know if Russia will make that demand. He hasn't demanded that Finland leave NATO.

    Ukraine is closer to joining NATO than they were before the war. They didn't have the votes of France and Germany before the invasion.

    There is also the question of Zaporizhia. They weren't part of LPR/DPR and were strong supporters of Zelensky. Are we supposed to believe they voted to join Russia?

    International leaders and decision makers PERCEIVE that trade = Putin Winning.

    The world views Putin as winning even though the UN voted 143-5 that the annexations were illegal? Most world leaders view him as an angry dwarf tyrant. Slicing off a piece of Ukraine will not change that view.

    You may of course choose to be part of a tiny minority with a different perception of the situation.

    I asked why it is a win if he tried to take it all. He also stated that the primary goal is to stop the Eastward expansion of NATO.

    I'm judging him based on his own goals as stated in the invasion speech:

    “Today, I again consider it necessary to come back to the tragic events taking place in the Donbas and the key issue of ensuring Russian security. Let me start with what I said in my address of February 21. I am referring to what causes us particular concern and anxiety – those fundamental threats against our country that year after year, step by step, are offensively and unceremoniously created by irresponsible politicians in the West.

    “I am referring to the expansion of the NATO to the east, moving its military infrastructure closer to Russian borders.

    NATO is now closer to Russian borders. Finland shares more border with NATO and is closer to Russia's population centers.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/putins-speech-declaring-war-on-ukraine-translated-excerpts

    Are we supposed to ignore his original speech and pretend the war was about gaining a bridge and a powerplant?

    Why would this be a win for Russia based on Putin's goals? Seems like a disaster where neither side wins.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @QCIC

    What’s the rush?

    In the big picture the SMO is still in Phase 1 or Act I if you prefer. In this scheme of nation re-building Phase I includes all serious combat, Phase 2 is about political restructuring and tying up loose ends (including car bombs and IEDs) and Phase 3 is rebuilding.

    Based on what we have seen so far, this is my view:

    Phase 1 is 3 years.
    Phase 2 is 6 years.
    Phase 3 is 15 years (1 time constant).

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Phase 2 is about political restructuring and tying up loose ends (including car bombs and IEDs) and Phase 3 is rebuilding.

    Why would there be an IED phase? Russian polls show overwhelming support for the invaders and even in areas that supported Zelensky and not the pro-Russian parties. Are you suggesting that we can't trust Russian polls?

    Based on what we have seen so far, this is my view:

    Phase 1 is 3 years.
    Phase 2 is 6 years.
    Phase 3 is 15 years (1 time constant).

    Well I don't think Putin is on your timeline.

    He has already offered to walk with the occupied oblasts and Crimea.

    The dwarf dictator is an ego maniac. He wants his victory parade before he is dead. His Totalitarian TV won't point out that his stated goal was to stop the Eastward expansion of NATO and not lose over 200k men trying to take land they don't need. He wants to fly his "Mission Accomplished" banner and pretend he is a great conqueror like his hero Peter.

    There is also no reason to assume that the land will remain Russian. Why does the average Russian care if the former DPR/LPR is part of Russia? Future Russians could trade it in exchange to get their Apple stores back. Americans under 30 would probably give up a state rather than lose Apple products. Putin is mortal but most of the sanctions could remain. Russia's GDP is smaller than Texas. Our corporations don't need their sales. The gas needs to flow but the technology sanctions could remain. Putin really didn't think this war out and just assumed he would win.

    Replies: @Beckow

  42. @Greasy William
    Bibi just announced that Israel will be occupying Gaza permanently after the ground invasion has been completed. It's Bibi, so he'll walk it back but that he's saying it shows that the government and IDF have already examined all options and realized that they have no choice.

    Biden is in horrendous electoral shape. He appears weak and feckless to swing voters, no Muslim will vote for him, centrist Dems are being turned off by the increasing antisemitism within the Democratic party and black and Latino voters are frustrated by Dems continuing to put the interest of immigrants over their own.

    Not to mention the economy sucks and is getting worse. If the election were held today, Trump would win by 4 points. By the time the actual election gets here, I think Biden will lose by 7 or 8. In fact, things will be so terrible by Nov 24 that I think that 10 points is a possibility. If even my family are growing shaky on Biden, that tells you a lot.

    Gaza should be cleaned up in the next few months after which things will temporarily calm down. Russia is clearly preparing to move on Israel but likely needs a couple more years to properly prepare for an invasion.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @AnonfromTN

    Not to mention the economy sucks and is getting worse. If the election were held today, Trump would win by 4 points. By the time the actual election gets here, I think Biden will lose by 7 or 8. In fact, things will be so terrible by Nov 24 that I think that 10 points is a possibility. If even my family are growing shaky on Biden, that tells you a lot.

    It could either be a Trump win by several percentage points, a Trump blowout a la Reagan 1980, or a narrow Biden win. Wasn’t Obama also behind Romney by several points at this point in time in 2011? And yet Obama beat Romney by four points in the popular vote in (November) 2012 and got a comfortable electoral college victory to boot.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    There won't be a Trump blowout.

    If he somehow doesn't catch a felony the Democrats will run someone else. In that scenario he would lose swing states.

    The Democrats are just being nice to Biden since he is in office and two wars are going on.

    He will be wheeled away at the right moment.

    Wasn’t Obama also behind Romney by several points at this point in time in 2011? And yet Obama beat Romney by four points in the popular vote in (November) 2012 and got a comfortable electoral college victory to boot.

    The Democrat is normally projected to win unless the Republican can take swing voters.

    Independents currently hate Trump but view Biden as unfit for office.

    Trump should quit so his MAGA cult will give up and rally around a candidate that beat Biden or a moderate Democrat.

    But most likely scenario is that Trump gets a felony and loses even more independents. He is facing 91 charges and it is possible that he could do prison time. The documents case is pretty damning because he is on tape asking someone to help cover it up.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @A123
    @Mr. XYZ


    It could either be a Trump win by several percentage points, a Trump blowout a la Reagan 1980, or a narrow Biden win.
     
    The race is beyond the DNC's margin to cheat. So, only the first two options are possible. As I pointed out earlier (1), Trump has massive strength with moderate & independent voters that specifically impacts swing states.

     
    https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/inline-images/trump%20ahead.JPG
     

    Every bogus charge against Trump makes him stronger as the "underdog" candidate. The sheer, irrational zealotry of #NeverTrump extremism is propelling his popularity. The #Bidenistas are so self deluded, they cannot comprehend that their persecution campaign is backfiring and making Trump 2024 stronger.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-233/#comment-6247260

    Replies: @John Johnson

  43. @AP
    @John Johnson

    I saw Solo and don't remember it much, so it was neither terrible nor good.

    Rogue One was good, and better than anything other than the original trilogy MO.

    The Lucas prequels were bad, but had good fight scenes at least. The third one was okay. In part, it was a barely veiled analogy of the Bush administration. Lucas may have been more passionate about this for that reason, resulting in a better film than the previous two.

    The last trilogy was terrible, but with nice special effects. I don't remember if I watched all 3.

    I haven't watched any of the TV shows because I don't have Disney + and I couldn't be bothered to pay for them or try to watch them illegally.

    My kids agree with me that all the new Starwars stuff is garbage other than Rogue One. They did not grow up with the first series (though they enjoyed it) so they basically don't care about Star Wars.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson

    I haven’t watched any of the TV shows because I don’t have Disney + and I couldn’t be bothered to pay for them or try to watch them illegally.

    Well at $14 it is the price of a movie ticket and worth it for a few months to stream everything. Mandalorian alone is worth the price.

    I would also check out the Clone Wars movie. Even though it is animated it is still better than the newer stuff.

    They also have some interesting classic stuff. Old Mickey cartoons and stuff.

    Can’t seem to find Song of the South though. I’ll write Kathleen Kennedy and ask about it.

    • LOL: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @songbird
    @John Johnson


    Can’t seem to find Song of the South though.
     
    I encourage people to watch Song of the South because it was super-woke for the day.

    They made sure to make it post-bellum because ante-bellum was taboo. The blacks were basically without a flaw (except lack of education), and even numinous, whereas many white characters had flaws, especially the poor boys.

    It is shocking and eye-opening to see it and understand that they essentially banned this film in the US, despite it having a very idealized depiction. I think it has a much broader significance for society, by extrapolation.
    _______
    iIRC, Chinese online were complaining about the diversity in Rogue One.

    They had that same cliche, an orphan or pseudo-orphan. Kind of a girl power film, when the girl was like 30 or something and should have been married by then before she becomes a leftover woman.

    Vader's voice sounded very decrepit.
  44. @Mr. XYZ
    @Greasy William


    Not to mention the economy sucks and is getting worse. If the election were held today, Trump would win by 4 points. By the time the actual election gets here, I think Biden will lose by 7 or 8. In fact, things will be so terrible by Nov 24 that I think that 10 points is a possibility. If even my family are growing shaky on Biden, that tells you a lot.
     
    It could either be a Trump win by several percentage points, a Trump blowout a la Reagan 1980, or a narrow Biden win. Wasn't Obama also behind Romney by several points at this point in time in 2011? And yet Obama beat Romney by four points in the popular vote in (November) 2012 and got a comfortable electoral college victory to boot.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @A123

    There won’t be a Trump blowout.

    If he somehow doesn’t catch a felony the Democrats will run someone else. In that scenario he would lose swing states.

    The Democrats are just being nice to Biden since he is in office and two wars are going on.

    He will be wheeled away at the right moment.

    Wasn’t Obama also behind Romney by several points at this point in time in 2011? And yet Obama beat Romney by four points in the popular vote in (November) 2012 and got a comfortable electoral college victory to boot.

    The Democrat is normally projected to win unless the Republican can take swing voters.

    Independents currently hate Trump but view Biden as unfit for office.

    Trump should quit so his MAGA cult will give up and rally around a candidate that beat Biden or a moderate Democrat.

    But most likely scenario is that Trump gets a felony and loses even more independents. He is facing 91 charges and it is possible that he could do prison time. The documents case is pretty damning because he is on tape asking someone to help cover it up.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    He will be wheeled away at the right moment.
     
    Not if Trump gets a felony. Then Biden would be delighted to have a rematch with him.
  45. @Mr. XYZ
    @Greasy William


    Not to mention the economy sucks and is getting worse. If the election were held today, Trump would win by 4 points. By the time the actual election gets here, I think Biden will lose by 7 or 8. In fact, things will be so terrible by Nov 24 that I think that 10 points is a possibility. If even my family are growing shaky on Biden, that tells you a lot.
     
    It could either be a Trump win by several percentage points, a Trump blowout a la Reagan 1980, or a narrow Biden win. Wasn't Obama also behind Romney by several points at this point in time in 2011? And yet Obama beat Romney by four points in the popular vote in (November) 2012 and got a comfortable electoral college victory to boot.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @A123

    It could either be a Trump win by several percentage points, a Trump blowout a la Reagan 1980, or a narrow Biden win.

    The race is beyond the DNC’s margin to cheat. So, only the first two options are possible. As I pointed out earlier (1), Trump has massive strength with moderate & independent voters that specifically impacts swing states.

     

     

    Every bogus charge against Trump makes him stronger as the “underdog” candidate. The sheer, irrational zealotry of #NeverTrump extremism is propelling his popularity. The #Bidenistas are so self deluded, they cannot comprehend that their persecution campaign is backfiring and making Trump 2024 stronger.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-233/#comment-6247260

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    The race is beyond the DNC’s margin to cheat. So, only the first two options are possible. As I pointed out earlier (1), Trump has massive strength with moderate & independent voters that specifically impacts swing states.

    The DNC doesn't need to cheat.

    They will just pull Biden aside and tell him that he will be primaried if he does not retire.

    They are just being nice at the moment.

    Every bogus charge against Trump makes him stronger as the “underdog” candidate.

    It isn't an underdog race. The polls show that he would win against Biden. If anything the underdog is Biden. He really doesn't belong in office or any type of managerial position. He should be at home watching TV.

    The DNC will run a moderate White guy against him if needed.

    They aren't going to wheel Biden into the debates and hope it all works out.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

  46. Loving darkroom mode on f.lux

  47. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikhail

    Did they ask him about Jeff Epstein?

    Did they ask him about Jeff Epstein's classified list of clients?

    If so I'll watch. If not there is nothing Dershowitz has to offer.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    It’s the other guy Finkelstein going against Dersh, which should be intellectually entertaining.

  48. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikhail

    Didn't Dershowitz engage in some shady behavior a while back to get Finkelstein denied tenure?

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Wouldn’t surprise. Dersh has been kveching about penalizing students expressing pro-Pal/anti-Israeli views.

  49. Interesting story about the effects of firing large numbers of artillery shells on the battery crews:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/05/us/us-army-marines-artillery-isis-pentagon.html
    Apparently the blasts can cause serious brain damage.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    During WWI, the velocity of the gas ejected from the back of guns was deadly to anyone standing behind them.

    I wonder whether it is mainly some fraction of people who are susceptible - I believe football is like that.

    And whether someone with a less gracilized skull might have other physiological or neurological traits that would make them more resistant. (Would guess not.) But it is interesting to think of Abo or Neanderthal loaders being somehow superior, assuming they fired on target, or someone else targeted.

  50. @A123
    @John Johnson


    Why would it be for a win for Putin at the current lines?
     
    What did Russia gain:

    • Land bridge protecting Crimea
    • Dnieper access for Crimean water supply
    • ZNPP to power the 4 Oblasts joining Russia
    • No NATO ever for Ukraine

    What did Russia lose? Two countries, fully integrated and cooperating with European militaries, joined many other European countries in NATO. The change in status is more symbolic than substantial. Thus, Russia made real world physical gains on the ground while conceding symbolism. International leaders and decision makers PERCEIVE that trade = Putin Winning.

    You may of course choose to be part of a tiny minority with a different perception of the situation. However, you need to grasp that very few people share your view. And, no one in your microscopic conceptual sliver influences world events in any material way.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson, @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    The war is not over yet. I suggest that you reserve your Putlerite ass licking comments for after the war. I don’t think, however, that there will be much to cheer about at that time.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Derer
    @Mr. Hack

    I suggest that you reserve your Kiev Zio ass licking comments for after the war.

  51. @Jesuitic Ziowahhabiz
    Lavrov facetiously airbrushing, with cheap paint, mind you, the pivotal Russian role in fabricating, and populating, the Rothschild neocolony in Palestine.

    Lavrov blames Anglo-Saxons for pushing Middle East towards big war
    https://tass.com/politics/1702181
     
    Trumpet's spray-on fake orange tan looks better.

    Replies: @meena

    It was the Jewish delegation from Russia that forced Herzl to abandon thoughts of any non-Palestinian locations . Chaim Weizmann also dismissed the idea of any place other than Palestine.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @meena

    "Meena" is a girl's name. Are you a girl, and if so, are you hot?

  52. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    What's the rush?

    In the big picture the SMO is still in Phase 1 or Act I if you prefer. In this scheme of nation re-building Phase I includes all serious combat, Phase 2 is about political restructuring and tying up loose ends (including car bombs and IEDs) and Phase 3 is rebuilding.

    Based on what we have seen so far, this is my view:

    Phase 1 is 3 years.
    Phase 2 is 6 years.
    Phase 3 is 15 years (1 time constant).

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Phase 2 is about political restructuring and tying up loose ends (including car bombs and IEDs) and Phase 3 is rebuilding.

    Why would there be an IED phase? Russian polls show overwhelming support for the invaders and even in areas that supported Zelensky and not the pro-Russian parties. Are you suggesting that we can’t trust Russian polls?

    Based on what we have seen so far, this is my view:

    Phase 1 is 3 years.
    Phase 2 is 6 years.
    Phase 3 is 15 years (1 time constant).

    Well I don’t think Putin is on your timeline.

    He has already offered to walk with the occupied oblasts and Crimea.

    The dwarf dictator is an ego maniac. He wants his victory parade before he is dead. His Totalitarian TV won’t point out that his stated goal was to stop the Eastward expansion of NATO and not lose over 200k men trying to take land they don’t need. He wants to fly his “Mission Accomplished” banner and pretend he is a great conqueror like his hero Peter.

    There is also no reason to assume that the land will remain Russian. Why does the average Russian care if the former DPR/LPR is part of Russia? Future Russians could trade it in exchange to get their Apple stores back. Americans under 30 would probably give up a state rather than lose Apple products. Putin is mortal but most of the sanctions could remain. Russia’s GDP is smaller than Texas. Our corporations don’t need their sales. The gas needs to flow but the technology sanctions could remain. Putin really didn’t think this war out and just assumed he would win.

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    For Russia the alternative was a hostile, well armed Ukraine in Nato, up to 10 million Russians expelled or suppressed as 2nd class citizens (like in Latvia), many killed and imprisoned, WW2 Nazis marching, threats to Crimea. It would be a state of war - very expensive and with West having the upper hand.

    So they invaded. It turned out to be quite bloody, but they extinguished the worst case scenario of Ukraine in Nato. Russia knows that the pain now is less than pain - and potential catastrophe - would be if they let Kiev get away with it. They can handle Finland later - Finns are nowhere as stupid as the Ukies turned out to be.

    Because of the stupid neo-con plan to move Nato to Ukraine and even more stupid Ukie emotional immaturity (volunteering to be the cannon fodder) we are all worse off. Most of all Ukraine. What have we learned?

    Replies: @John Johnson

  53. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/05/us/us-army-marines-artillery-isis-pentagon.html
    Peter Koenig writes on the brain impact from 5G.
    Early reports from scientists note sub sonic waves create the sense of ‘another.’
    What is the outcome of this information?
    Either we ban these damaging sound waves OR………….
    we will see the further research into a form of ‘brain shield’ for a select few or even “domed” cities to prevent the incursion of waves. More likely these cities will be on distant islands almost inaccessible.
    War marches on.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @katesisco

    Tin foil hats are coming back in vogue!

    Actually they are woven from nonlinear magneto-ferroic smart wire and tuned to block EM waves but amplify outgoing brain waves.

  54. @A123
    @Mr. XYZ


    It could either be a Trump win by several percentage points, a Trump blowout a la Reagan 1980, or a narrow Biden win.
     
    The race is beyond the DNC's margin to cheat. So, only the first two options are possible. As I pointed out earlier (1), Trump has massive strength with moderate & independent voters that specifically impacts swing states.

     
    https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/inline-images/trump%20ahead.JPG
     

    Every bogus charge against Trump makes him stronger as the "underdog" candidate. The sheer, irrational zealotry of #NeverTrump extremism is propelling his popularity. The #Bidenistas are so self deluded, they cannot comprehend that their persecution campaign is backfiring and making Trump 2024 stronger.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-233/#comment-6247260

    Replies: @John Johnson

    The race is beyond the DNC’s margin to cheat. So, only the first two options are possible. As I pointed out earlier (1), Trump has massive strength with moderate & independent voters that specifically impacts swing states.

    The DNC doesn’t need to cheat.

    They will just pull Biden aside and tell him that he will be primaried if he does not retire.

    They are just being nice at the moment.

    Every bogus charge against Trump makes him stronger as the “underdog” candidate.

    It isn’t an underdog race. The polls show that he would win against Biden. If anything the underdog is Biden. He really doesn’t belong in office or any type of managerial position. He should be at home watching TV.

    The DNC will run a moderate White guy against him if needed.

    They aren’t going to wheel Biden into the debates and hope it all works out.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...DNC will run a moderate White guy against him if needed.
     
    How are they going to pull that off? I am really curious, given the Kamala thing, ethnic politics, the wishy-washy nature of all moderate White Dems - it will not be easy. They are running out of time.

    Biden in 2020, his age and obvious incapacity, was a Faustian bargain - an act of desperation. The time has come to pay up, Mephisto is at the door and wants his pound of flesh...so who will tell the Indian woman that her time is up, you know, mulatta served it purpose, mulatta can go now.... It could get ugly.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @RadicalCenter

    , @A123
    @John Johnson


    The DNC doesn’t need to cheat.

    They will just pull Biden aside and tell him that he will be primaried if he does not retire.
    ...
    The DNC will run a moderate White guy against him if needed.
     
    LOL. -- Gov. Newsome's simping trip to China did not get him any traction. And, he is an extremist, not a moderate.

    If Biden exits, Not-The-VP Harris is in a near unstoppable position to become the DNC candidate. She polls worse than her boss for the general election. The only way to replace her with out blowing up the party is with another polarizing minority female figure. Perhaps Michelle Obama? Or, AOC?

    They aren’t going to wheel Biden into the debates and hope it all works out.

     

    They have no better option. They cannot suddenly declare him medically unfit now. It would open the door to asking, "When did the Veggie-in-Chief become incapacitated"? That is a discussion the DNC cannot afford to have.


    Every bogus charge against Trump makes him stronger as the “underdog” candidate.
     
    It isn’t an underdog race. The polls show that he would win against Biden.
     
    Again, it is about PERCEPTION.

    Arrogant and abusive persecution of non-crimes hands Trump the "underdog" mantle and associated good will. There is no political contradiction with simultaneously being both the "poll leader" and the "perceived underdog". This will carry on regardless of who the DNC nominates.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Derer

  55. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Phase 2 is about political restructuring and tying up loose ends (including car bombs and IEDs) and Phase 3 is rebuilding.

    Why would there be an IED phase? Russian polls show overwhelming support for the invaders and even in areas that supported Zelensky and not the pro-Russian parties. Are you suggesting that we can't trust Russian polls?

    Based on what we have seen so far, this is my view:

    Phase 1 is 3 years.
    Phase 2 is 6 years.
    Phase 3 is 15 years (1 time constant).

    Well I don't think Putin is on your timeline.

    He has already offered to walk with the occupied oblasts and Crimea.

    The dwarf dictator is an ego maniac. He wants his victory parade before he is dead. His Totalitarian TV won't point out that his stated goal was to stop the Eastward expansion of NATO and not lose over 200k men trying to take land they don't need. He wants to fly his "Mission Accomplished" banner and pretend he is a great conqueror like his hero Peter.

    There is also no reason to assume that the land will remain Russian. Why does the average Russian care if the former DPR/LPR is part of Russia? Future Russians could trade it in exchange to get their Apple stores back. Americans under 30 would probably give up a state rather than lose Apple products. Putin is mortal but most of the sanctions could remain. Russia's GDP is smaller than Texas. Our corporations don't need their sales. The gas needs to flow but the technology sanctions could remain. Putin really didn't think this war out and just assumed he would win.

    Replies: @Beckow

    For Russia the alternative was a hostile, well armed Ukraine in Nato, up to 10 million Russians expelled or suppressed as 2nd class citizens (like in Latvia), many killed and imprisoned, WW2 Nazis marching, threats to Crimea. It would be a state of war – very expensive and with West having the upper hand.

    So they invaded. It turned out to be quite bloody, but they extinguished the worst case scenario of Ukraine in Nato. Russia knows that the pain now is less than pain – and potential catastrophe – would be if they let Kiev get away with it. They can handle Finland later – Finns are nowhere as stupid as the Ukies turned out to be.

    Because of the stupid neo-con plan to move Nato to Ukraine and even more stupid Ukie emotional immaturity (volunteering to be the cannon fodder) we are all worse off. Most of all Ukraine. What have we learned?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    For Russia the alternative was a hostile, well armed Ukraine in Nato

    How was that the case when Ukraine hadn't applied and didn't have the support of France or Germany?

    They can handle Finland later – Finns are nowhere as stupid as the Ukies turned out to be.

    How would they handle Finland if they are now in NATO?

    Because of the stupid neo-con plan to move Nato to Ukraine and even more stupid Ukie emotional immaturity (volunteering to be the cannon fodder) we are all worse off. Most of all Ukraine. What have we learned?

    What is a neo-con and how was their plan a success when the pro-NATO candidate lost to the neutral Zelensky in 2019?

    Replies: @Beckow

  56. @John Johnson
    @A123

    The race is beyond the DNC’s margin to cheat. So, only the first two options are possible. As I pointed out earlier (1), Trump has massive strength with moderate & independent voters that specifically impacts swing states.

    The DNC doesn't need to cheat.

    They will just pull Biden aside and tell him that he will be primaried if he does not retire.

    They are just being nice at the moment.

    Every bogus charge against Trump makes him stronger as the “underdog” candidate.

    It isn't an underdog race. The polls show that he would win against Biden. If anything the underdog is Biden. He really doesn't belong in office or any type of managerial position. He should be at home watching TV.

    The DNC will run a moderate White guy against him if needed.

    They aren't going to wheel Biden into the debates and hope it all works out.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    …DNC will run a moderate White guy against him if needed.

    How are they going to pull that off? I am really curious, given the Kamala thing, ethnic politics, the wishy-washy nature of all moderate White Dems – it will not be easy. They are running out of time.

    Biden in 2020, his age and obvious incapacity, was a Faustian bargain – an act of desperation. The time has come to pay up, Mephisto is at the door and wants his pound of flesh…so who will tell the Indian woman that her time is up, you know, mulatta served it purpose, mulatta can go now…. It could get ugly.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    …DNC will run a moderate White guy against him if needed.
     
    How are they going to pull that off? I am really curious, given the Kamala thing, ethnic politics, the wishy-washy nature of all moderate White Dems – it will not be easy. They are running out of time.

    Unlike Russia we have an open election. Anyone can run.

    You're wondering why the DNC/MSM would let a milktoast White lawyer challenge an ethnic woman. A fair question.

    The answer is that the Democrats know that Kamala is a dud. She can't even sit through an interview. The MSM wouldn't be able to provide enough damage control. They can't even rely on her in a scripted interview. Obama was good at reading his speeches that were written by a White guy. Kalama does weird stuff in interviews like giggling when asked serious questions. Or her infamous fake French accent when she was reading a statement. Everyone sees that and thinks.....WTF??

    In the primary she didn't even take her own state of California. They knew her as the overrated hack that got into politics by sucking off Willy Brown. That's not a rumor. She literally sucked off a creep twice her age to break into politics. Heck she isn't even an average politician. Just terrible. Biden and the MSM didn't do their homework.....as usual. They picked her as the nice 5% Black woman (at best) and went with it.

    Biden in 2020, his age and obvious incapacity, was a Faustian bargain – an act of desperation. The time has come to pay up, Mephisto is at the door and wants his pound of flesh…so who will tell the Indian woman that her time is up, you know, mulatta served it purpose, mulatta can go now

    No one has to tell her anything. She knows that she is out of her league as VP.

    Watch the border interview to see how she can't even answer basic questions.

    No one including Harris thinks running her for president is a good idea. Her job is to be "potential Black female president" for the kids until they figure out how to challenge Trump. They will absolutely take a wish-washy White lawyer over her.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Beckow

    The way to get rid of Kamala is to have Biden resign after the Dem primary elections are finished, when he or Newsom or someone else wins enough delegates for the Democrat nomination.

    In that scenario, Kamala would have no opportunity to campaign and compete in the primaries. She’d become president, briefly, but someone else could be the Dems’ presidential nominee.

    I suppose that Dem nominee could pick Kamala as VP again.

    After possibly antagonizing the 300-pound Taneequah voting bloc by shunting aside a sort-of-African VP, the Dems might want to pick another African for VP to make up for it.

    Or the Dems can go the other route and pick a Spanish-speaking Hispanic VP nominee. It’s going to happen eventually, as Africans become much less significant politically and culturally compared to Hispanics and then Asians in the USA.

    Last thought about Kamala: if the Dems want Newsom as their presidential nominee, then constitutionally they cannot have a veep nominee who is also a California resident, like Kamala.

    Replies: @A123

  57. @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    For Russia the alternative was a hostile, well armed Ukraine in Nato, up to 10 million Russians expelled or suppressed as 2nd class citizens (like in Latvia), many killed and imprisoned, WW2 Nazis marching, threats to Crimea. It would be a state of war - very expensive and with West having the upper hand.

    So they invaded. It turned out to be quite bloody, but they extinguished the worst case scenario of Ukraine in Nato. Russia knows that the pain now is less than pain - and potential catastrophe - would be if they let Kiev get away with it. They can handle Finland later - Finns are nowhere as stupid as the Ukies turned out to be.

    Because of the stupid neo-con plan to move Nato to Ukraine and even more stupid Ukie emotional immaturity (volunteering to be the cannon fodder) we are all worse off. Most of all Ukraine. What have we learned?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    For Russia the alternative was a hostile, well armed Ukraine in Nato

    How was that the case when Ukraine hadn’t applied and didn’t have the support of France or Germany?

    They can handle Finland later – Finns are nowhere as stupid as the Ukies turned out to be.

    How would they handle Finland if they are now in NATO?

    Because of the stupid neo-con plan to move Nato to Ukraine and even more stupid Ukie emotional immaturity (volunteering to be the cannon fodder) we are all worse off. Most of all Ukraine. What have we learned?

    What is a neo-con and how was their plan a success when the pro-NATO candidate lost to the neutral Zelensky in 2019?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You repeat desperate nonsense about Nato, but you know what was going on. If you choose to lie to yourself or to others, that's your issue. It doesn't change anything.

    Zelko run on a pro-peace platform and then betrayed people who voted for him - it is not so hard to understand. If you don't know what a "neo-con" is, google it...


    How would they handle Finland if they are now in NATO?
     
    Lost business and economics. For details, get a map and a calculator. Over time Finland will become friendly again, they are not stupid, they like to make money.

    Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson

  58. @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    Rogue One and Han Solo were in fact very good films.

    It’s a great pity that George Lucas didn’t have those two as the prequels to Star Wars: New Hope.

    Loosely enough based on the Space Opera conception but gave a little background to Han as a young criminal and the Rebels as an accidental event.


    It’s a pity about the ponderously made 1,2,3.

    Instead perhaps the first film should have started where a mysteriously enraged Anakin kills all the child Jedi and has a duel with Obi Wan. Then we see him rebuilt/born as Vader doing something mean like bombard a sand dune slum while looking for his own children. Make it Spicy and have the Twins be the result of a rape by Anakin.

    The films after meh. Waste of time. The identity of the Emperor was a huge waste of time.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @John Johnson, @Societal Spectacle

    “Instead perhaps the first film should have started where a mysteriously enraged Anakin kills all the child Jedi and has a duel with Obi Wan.”

    In his perceived inability to save his mother, he first killed a camp of Tusken Raiders. As you described, his rage further devolved into the killings of the Jedi younglings. Developmentally, he best fits into Jane Loevinger’s “self-protective” stage of ego development in which he is need of control to the point of dictating his own sense of moral justice. He in effect emerged as an injustice collector.

    In 1927 Andrew Kehoe, the orchestrator of the Bath school bombing that killed 45 people including 38 children did not leave a note, but he left a sign on his property stating, “Criminals are made, not born.” Kehoe’s mother died while he had been away to college and then working.

    “Clouded this boy’s future is,” Yoda. This statement in review adds to the emergence of his personality throughout the story arc.

  59. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...DNC will run a moderate White guy against him if needed.
     
    How are they going to pull that off? I am really curious, given the Kamala thing, ethnic politics, the wishy-washy nature of all moderate White Dems - it will not be easy. They are running out of time.

    Biden in 2020, his age and obvious incapacity, was a Faustian bargain - an act of desperation. The time has come to pay up, Mephisto is at the door and wants his pound of flesh...so who will tell the Indian woman that her time is up, you know, mulatta served it purpose, mulatta can go now.... It could get ugly.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @RadicalCenter

    …DNC will run a moderate White guy against him if needed.

    How are they going to pull that off? I am really curious, given the Kamala thing, ethnic politics, the wishy-washy nature of all moderate White Dems – it will not be easy. They are running out of time.

    Unlike Russia we have an open election. Anyone can run.

    You’re wondering why the DNC/MSM would let a milktoast White lawyer challenge an ethnic woman. A fair question.

    The answer is that the Democrats know that Kamala is a dud. She can’t even sit through an interview. The MSM wouldn’t be able to provide enough damage control. They can’t even rely on her in a scripted interview. Obama was good at reading his speeches that were written by a White guy. Kalama does weird stuff in interviews like giggling when asked serious questions. Or her infamous fake French accent when she was reading a statement. Everyone sees that and thinks…..WTF??

    In the primary she didn’t even take her own state of California. They knew her as the overrated hack that got into politics by sucking off Willy Brown. That’s not a rumor. She literally sucked off a creep twice her age to break into politics. Heck she isn’t even an average politician. Just terrible. Biden and the MSM didn’t do their homework…..as usual. They picked her as the nice 5% Black woman (at best) and went with it.

    Biden in 2020, his age and obvious incapacity, was a Faustian bargain – an act of desperation. The time has come to pay up, Mephisto is at the door and wants his pound of flesh…so who will tell the Indian woman that her time is up, you know, mulatta served it purpose, mulatta can go now

    No one has to tell her anything. She knows that she is out of her league as VP.

    Watch the border interview to see how she can’t even answer basic questions.

    No one including Harris thinks running her for president is a good idea. Her job is to be “potential Black female president” for the kids until they figure out how to challenge Trump. They will absolutely take a wish-washy White lawyer over her.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You make a strong case about Kamala, sure, but who is going to tell her and her insane ethno-supporters? They may not take kindly to reality...:)


    Unlike Russia we have an open election. Anyone can run.
     
    Really? To start with, you would like Trump to be barred. It is not an open system - the amount of permissions needed is very high. Don't pretend - everyone knows it is a managed process, more so than in other Western countries where there are fewer barriers. You can justify it by needs of a large unwieldy country, but don't preach to us.

    The process is unlike in many other countries open to cheating - no real checks, very sloppy data, remote voting. Check out how it is done in UK: same night, simple counting, no fuss and almost no opportunity for mischief.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  60. @John Johnson
    @A123

    The race is beyond the DNC’s margin to cheat. So, only the first two options are possible. As I pointed out earlier (1), Trump has massive strength with moderate & independent voters that specifically impacts swing states.

    The DNC doesn't need to cheat.

    They will just pull Biden aside and tell him that he will be primaried if he does not retire.

    They are just being nice at the moment.

    Every bogus charge against Trump makes him stronger as the “underdog” candidate.

    It isn't an underdog race. The polls show that he would win against Biden. If anything the underdog is Biden. He really doesn't belong in office or any type of managerial position. He should be at home watching TV.

    The DNC will run a moderate White guy against him if needed.

    They aren't going to wheel Biden into the debates and hope it all works out.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    The DNC doesn’t need to cheat.

    They will just pull Biden aside and tell him that he will be primaried if he does not retire.

    The DNC will run a moderate White guy against him if needed.

    LOL. — Gov. Newsome’s simping trip to China did not get him any traction. And, he is an extremist, not a moderate.

    If Biden exits, Not-The-VP Harris is in a near unstoppable position to become the DNC candidate. She polls worse than her boss for the general election. The only way to replace her with out blowing up the party is with another polarizing minority female figure. Perhaps Michelle Obama? Or, AOC?

    They aren’t going to wheel Biden into the debates and hope it all works out.

    They have no better option. They cannot suddenly declare him medically unfit now. It would open the door to asking, “When did the Veggie-in-Chief become incapacitated”? That is a discussion the DNC cannot afford to have.

    Every bogus charge against Trump makes him stronger as the “underdog” candidate.

    It isn’t an underdog race. The polls show that he would win against Biden.

    Again, it is about PERCEPTION.

    Arrogant and abusive persecution of non-crimes hands Trump the “underdog” mantle and associated good will. There is no political contradiction with simultaneously being both the “poll leader” and the “perceived underdog”. This will carry on regardless of who the DNC nominates.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Derer
    @A123

    Harris and Michelle Obama are unelectable, the affirmative action presidency was fulfilled by Hussein Obama and that will apply for couple of generations.

    Replies: @Beckow

  61. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    For Russia the alternative was a hostile, well armed Ukraine in Nato

    How was that the case when Ukraine hadn't applied and didn't have the support of France or Germany?

    They can handle Finland later – Finns are nowhere as stupid as the Ukies turned out to be.

    How would they handle Finland if they are now in NATO?

    Because of the stupid neo-con plan to move Nato to Ukraine and even more stupid Ukie emotional immaturity (volunteering to be the cannon fodder) we are all worse off. Most of all Ukraine. What have we learned?

    What is a neo-con and how was their plan a success when the pro-NATO candidate lost to the neutral Zelensky in 2019?

    Replies: @Beckow

    You repeat desperate nonsense about Nato, but you know what was going on. If you choose to lie to yourself or to others, that’s your issue. It doesn’t change anything.

    Zelko run on a pro-peace platform and then betrayed people who voted for him – it is not so hard to understand. If you don’t know what a “neo-con” is, google it…

    How would they handle Finland if they are now in NATO?

    Lost business and economics. For details, get a map and a calculator. Over time Finland will become friendly again, they are not stupid, they like to make money.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Beckow

    Finland can be the first country to leave NATO (I think). Late in Phase II.

    "Finland in NATO: Last in, first out."
    "Easy come, easy go."

    These headlines write themselves. "She's cute, but not real bright." (Marin).

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    You repeat desperate nonsense about Nato, but you know what was going on. If you choose to lie to yourself or to others, that’s your issue. It doesn’t change anything.

    Everyone can see that you are unable to answer very basic questions about NATO. It's pretty much expected at this point. You make a statement about NATO or Ukraine and then change then subject when asked to elaborate.

    Zelko run on a pro-peace platform and then betrayed people who voted for him – it is not so hard to understand.

    Well then explain it for us since Zelensky was elected in 2019 and never initiated the NATO application process.

    Do tell what he did in that short period to betray his people.

    You clearly spent too much time in a pro-Putin bubble and didn't realize that most of the pro-Putin bloggers are just plain full of shit. That is what happens when you try to defend the credibility of a mass murdering dwarf who lied to the UN about it being a "training exercise" and swore that he would never invade. He also pledged that DPR/LPR would become Republics which never happened. Putin recently claimed that his Jewish chef turned private warlord died after getting high on cocaine and playing with hand grenades. Do you believe him?

    I know from experience to avoid short and bitter men like Putin. They eventually disappoint everyone and that includes their biggest defenders. They have an unchangeable hatred of the world and everyone in it. In fact such bitter men are normally contemptuous of their own defenders. They view them as weak sycophants.

    Former Putin fan and DPR leader Igor Girkin has stated that Donbas separatism was never a popular movement and only occurred because of Russian backing. Of course we won't hear much from Girkin at this point. Putin has him in a cage.

    But you for some reason seem to think it is a good idea to keep defending the rodent king and his endless lies.


    How would they handle Finland if they are now in NATO?
     
    Lost business and economics. For details, get a map and a calculator. Over time Finland will become friendly again, they are not stupid, they like to make money.

    You are suggesting that Russia won't sell them oil if they are in NATO?

    Russia is currently selling NATO countries oil at NATO defined prices.

    Or are you talking about another export like beets or ????? Russia is a gas station. No one wants Russian cars or even bicycles. Their military exports are about to drop while US Himars is backordered for over 10 years. Putin is a dream come true for US military companies. Way to go dwarf.

    Replies: @Sean, @Sean, @Beckow

  62. One more note about Kamala is that she was single until 50.

    This is a huge red flag in women that aren’t obese.

    It most likely means that no one can stand her. She is wealthy which means she couldn’t even find an upper class brat to use her for sex.

    She married a pet husband in 2014 for her political image.

    When a thin woman is rejected by men it usually follows that women hate her even more. It means her personality is mind-blowingly awful.

  63. @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    …DNC will run a moderate White guy against him if needed.
     
    How are they going to pull that off? I am really curious, given the Kamala thing, ethnic politics, the wishy-washy nature of all moderate White Dems – it will not be easy. They are running out of time.

    Unlike Russia we have an open election. Anyone can run.

    You're wondering why the DNC/MSM would let a milktoast White lawyer challenge an ethnic woman. A fair question.

    The answer is that the Democrats know that Kamala is a dud. She can't even sit through an interview. The MSM wouldn't be able to provide enough damage control. They can't even rely on her in a scripted interview. Obama was good at reading his speeches that were written by a White guy. Kalama does weird stuff in interviews like giggling when asked serious questions. Or her infamous fake French accent when she was reading a statement. Everyone sees that and thinks.....WTF??

    In the primary she didn't even take her own state of California. They knew her as the overrated hack that got into politics by sucking off Willy Brown. That's not a rumor. She literally sucked off a creep twice her age to break into politics. Heck she isn't even an average politician. Just terrible. Biden and the MSM didn't do their homework.....as usual. They picked her as the nice 5% Black woman (at best) and went with it.

    Biden in 2020, his age and obvious incapacity, was a Faustian bargain – an act of desperation. The time has come to pay up, Mephisto is at the door and wants his pound of flesh…so who will tell the Indian woman that her time is up, you know, mulatta served it purpose, mulatta can go now

    No one has to tell her anything. She knows that she is out of her league as VP.

    Watch the border interview to see how she can't even answer basic questions.

    No one including Harris thinks running her for president is a good idea. Her job is to be "potential Black female president" for the kids until they figure out how to challenge Trump. They will absolutely take a wish-washy White lawyer over her.

    Replies: @Beckow

    You make a strong case about Kamala, sure, but who is going to tell her and her insane ethno-supporters? They may not take kindly to reality…:)

    Unlike Russia we have an open election. Anyone can run.

    Really? To start with, you would like Trump to be barred. It is not an open system – the amount of permissions needed is very high. Don’t pretend – everyone knows it is a managed process, more so than in other Western countries where there are fewer barriers. You can justify it by needs of a large unwieldy country, but don’t preach to us.

    The process is unlike in many other countries open to cheating – no real checks, very sloppy data, remote voting. Check out how it is done in UK: same night, simple counting, no fuss and almost no opportunity for mischief.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    You make a strong case about Kamala, sure, but who is going to tell her and her insane ethno-supporters? They may not take kindly to reality…:)

    She actually doesn't have that many supporters.

    Hillary was touring colleges at this point. Kamala is kept in a cage. They try to keep the camera off of her. Just search the news feeds to see how rarely they interview her. Everyone knows.

    Really? To start with, you would like Trump to be barred.

    Yes and no. I want Trump to quit because Biden's best hope is for him to run. My worst case scenario is a Harris presidency. If Biden somehow wins I'm not convinced he has the guts to ask Harris to leave. In fact I don't really care if we get a milktoast boring lawyer from either party if it means Harris is out.

    As for restrictions I don't think felons should be allowed to run but that isn't the law. Trump doesn't have a felony (yet) and I fully support giving him a fair trial. But I don't think he has much of a chance. The judge looks ready to charge him over Trump Fraud U. Then there are the classified documents. I just don't see how he can escape all these charges. He really messed up with the documents. All he had to do was give them back when they asked for them. The guy is a silver spoon brat that can be irrationally stubborn. I would take him over most US politicians but I'm not in denial of his character or lack of it. He disappointed me on the border but he fulfilled job #1 which was keeping out Hillary.

    It is not an open system – the amount of permissions needed is very high. Don’t pretend – everyone knows it is a managed process, more so than in other Western countries where there are fewer barriers.

    It is very much an open system as seen by third party candidates. The vote sucking libertarian ran in the last election without permission and took votes away from Trump. RFK is hated by the Democrats and plans to run as an independent. The Democrats most likely lost the Bush II election because of Nader's Green Party run.

    The process is unlike in many other countries open to cheating – no real checks, very sloppy data, remote voting.

    There is widespread belief among the MAGA crowd that Trump lost to cheating and yet exit polls matched the results. He lost independent Whites while gaining Hispanics. If 1 million more White men voted then we wouldn't have doofy mcgoo. Millions of Whites don't even bother voting. It's so easy with absentee ballots but I guess they have more important things to do like watch 3-4 hours of television.

  64. Guardian business:

    German industrial production dropped by 1.4% month-on-month in September, following a 0.1% drop in August. On an annual basis, German industrial output was down -3.7% year-on-year.

    “There is no end in sight for the weakness in German industry, which has become more broad-based in Q3. Hard to pick out any positives. German industrial production now a staggering 17% below the trend from 2010s, meaning over a hundred billion Euros in lost output.”

    It sure was a good idea blowing up NS2.

    “Insolvencies have risen in Germany – in another sign that Europe’s largest economy is struggling. The Leibniz Institute for Economic Research Halle (IWH) has reported that 1,037 partnerships and corporations in Germany fell into insolvency in October – 44% more than a year ago, and 2% more than in September.”

    It’s an absolute tragedy that “we” trashed the most – indeed the only – truly productive economy in Europe.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @A123
    @YetAnotherAnon


    It sure was a good idea blowing up NS2.
     
    Was NS2 in service delivering gas when it failed? Nope. Thus, that event had no direct impact on activity. The German Greens destroyed the German productivity when they kept NS2 out of service. If it was intact & unused today, the economy would be identical.

    Germany needs AfD in government, but it may already be too late.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @German_reader
    @YetAnotherAnon


    It sure was a good idea blowing up NS2.
     
    I think it was outrageous and a serious German government would punish the perpetrators, but on the other hand, the gas shipments had already been stopped by Russia and it's difficult to see how they could have been resumed given the war in Ukraine. The disastrous energy policy which to a large extent created the reliance on Russian gas was also self-inflicted. It's the price German society has to pay for not having violently suppressed the Greens and the anti-nuclear movement back in the 1980s.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  65. @Greasy William
    Bibi just announced that Israel will be occupying Gaza permanently after the ground invasion has been completed. It's Bibi, so he'll walk it back but that he's saying it shows that the government and IDF have already examined all options and realized that they have no choice.

    Biden is in horrendous electoral shape. He appears weak and feckless to swing voters, no Muslim will vote for him, centrist Dems are being turned off by the increasing antisemitism within the Democratic party and black and Latino voters are frustrated by Dems continuing to put the interest of immigrants over their own.

    Not to mention the economy sucks and is getting worse. If the election were held today, Trump would win by 4 points. By the time the actual election gets here, I think Biden will lose by 7 or 8. In fact, things will be so terrible by Nov 24 that I think that 10 points is a possibility. If even my family are growing shaky on Biden, that tells you a lot.

    Gaza should be cleaned up in the next few months after which things will temporarily calm down. Russia is clearly preparing to move on Israel but likely needs a couple more years to properly prepare for an invasion.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @AnonfromTN

    If the election were held today, Trump would win by 4 points. By the time the actual election gets here, I think Biden will lose by 7 or 8. In fact, things will be so terrible by Nov 24 that I think that 10 points is a possibility. If even my family are growing shaky on Biden, that tells you a lot.

    Are you really so naïve, or just pretend? In the age of massive voting fraud the opinions of the people, as well as their votes, don’t matter. Serious people will ensure that whoever they want wins, voters be damned. It’s the democracy, stupid! Only vile dictators care what the people in their countries think.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    In the age of massive voting fraud the opinions of the people, as well as their votes, don’t matter. Serious people will ensure that whoever they want wins, voters be damned.
     
    Voting helps -- the wider the margin, the harder it is for the other side to cheat. However, that is only the first step. In 2020 the irregularities were entirely one sided, unprecedented in scope, and the judiciary refused serious review.

    The good news this cycle is that MAGA will go toe-to-toe with the DNC in terms of Fultoning and Harvesting. Having set the precedent "every ballot must be counted" serious MAGA supporters can drive Trump over the line by ensuring the maximum number of ballots are for Trump. The precedents set in 2020 will effectively prevent judicial review.

    Democracy should not work this way. But at least for the next couple of decades, It is what it is.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Trump does have an outside chance. The Be Powers are not a monolith. There are factions. If he does come out on top in the selection process he will be just as owned as Biden--it will just he a different Deep State faction that owns him. Only a demented megalomaniac could want the job.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  66. @YetAnotherAnon
    Guardian business:

    German industrial production dropped by 1.4% month-on-month in September, following a 0.1% drop in August. On an annual basis, German industrial output was down -3.7% year-on-year.

    "There is no end in sight for the weakness in German industry, which has become more broad-based in Q3. Hard to pick out any positives. German industrial production now a staggering 17% below the trend from 2010s, meaning over a hundred billion Euros in lost output."

     

    It sure was a good idea blowing up NS2.

    "Insolvencies have risen in Germany – in another sign that Europe’s largest economy is struggling. The Leibniz Institute for Economic Research Halle (IWH) has reported that 1,037 partnerships and corporations in Germany fell into insolvency in October – 44% more than a year ago, and 2% more than in September."
     
    It's an absolute tragedy that "we" trashed the most - indeed the only - truly productive economy in Europe.

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader

    It sure was a good idea blowing up NS2.

    Was NS2 in service delivering gas when it failed? Nope. Thus, that event had no direct impact on activity. The German Greens destroyed the German productivity when they kept NS2 out of service. If it was intact & unused today, the economy would be identical.

    Germany needs AfD in government, but it may already be too late.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @A123


    Was NS2 in service delivering gas when it failed?
     
    Failed? Good one, where did they teach you to use synonyms?

    NS1 was in service and is not anymore...and shipments via Poland were stopped. EU countries now buy a lot more Russian LNG gas, it is more expensive, but why not?

    What happened with blowing up NS1-2 is simple: prices went up, large consumers like German mfg can't afford it and be competitive, and since LNG gas is a commodity more expensive it is more every producer makes - that includes Russia. Their $5 billion investment in NS2 has been paid for with higher prices. German-Dutch-Austrian $5 billion investment has not.

    That's the accounting - boring, but true. (I think Herr Scholz is an accountant.)

    Replies: @A123

  67. German_reader says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    Guardian business:

    German industrial production dropped by 1.4% month-on-month in September, following a 0.1% drop in August. On an annual basis, German industrial output was down -3.7% year-on-year.

    "There is no end in sight for the weakness in German industry, which has become more broad-based in Q3. Hard to pick out any positives. German industrial production now a staggering 17% below the trend from 2010s, meaning over a hundred billion Euros in lost output."

     

    It sure was a good idea blowing up NS2.

    "Insolvencies have risen in Germany – in another sign that Europe’s largest economy is struggling. The Leibniz Institute for Economic Research Halle (IWH) has reported that 1,037 partnerships and corporations in Germany fell into insolvency in October – 44% more than a year ago, and 2% more than in September."
     
    It's an absolute tragedy that "we" trashed the most - indeed the only - truly productive economy in Europe.

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader

    It sure was a good idea blowing up NS2.

    I think it was outrageous and a serious German government would punish the perpetrators, but on the other hand, the gas shipments had already been stopped by Russia and it’s difficult to see how they could have been resumed given the war in Ukraine. The disastrous energy policy which to a large extent created the reliance on Russian gas was also self-inflicted. It’s the price German society has to pay for not having violently suppressed the Greens and the anti-nuclear movement back in the 1980s.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @German_reader

    "The disastrous energy policy which to a large extent created the reliance on Russian gas was also self-inflicted."

    It was only disastrous because Germany was so tied to the US and NATO. Russo-German co-operation should be seen as a good thing, not a bad one.

    "it’s difficult to see how they could have been resumed given the war in Ukraine"

    Did Germany ban American and British imports in 2003 when the latter invaded Iraq?

    Given that Germany had no treaty obligations to Ukraine, and indeed that Ukraine have (and are still AFAIK) transiting Russian gas to Poland and Hungary, and Russia are still paying transit fees, there's no reason why they shouldn't have resumed.

    The Greens...I see Germany has reopened lignite power stations this autumn.

    https://www.powermag.com/germany-restarts-coal-fired-generation-to-support-winter-power-supply/

    What was the Green Party's reaction to that, given that brown coal is about as dirty as coal can be?

    Replies: @German_reader

  68. @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    If the election were held today, Trump would win by 4 points. By the time the actual election gets here, I think Biden will lose by 7 or 8. In fact, things will be so terrible by Nov 24 that I think that 10 points is a possibility. If even my family are growing shaky on Biden, that tells you a lot.
     
    Are you really so naïve, or just pretend? In the age of massive voting fraud the opinions of the people, as well as their votes, don’t matter. Serious people will ensure that whoever they want wins, voters be damned. It’s the democracy, stupid! Only vile dictators care what the people in their countries think.

    Replies: @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard

    In the age of massive voting fraud the opinions of the people, as well as their votes, don’t matter. Serious people will ensure that whoever they want wins, voters be damned.

    Voting helps — the wider the margin, the harder it is for the other side to cheat. However, that is only the first step. In 2020 the irregularities were entirely one sided, unprecedented in scope, and the judiciary refused serious review.

    The good news this cycle is that MAGA will go toe-to-toe with the DNC in terms of Fultoning and Harvesting. Having set the precedent “every ballot must be counted” serious MAGA supporters can drive Trump over the line by ensuring the maximum number of ballots are for Trump. The precedents set in 2020 will effectively prevent judicial review.

    Democracy should not work this way. But at least for the next couple of decades, It is what it is.

    PEACE 😇

  69. @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    If the election were held today, Trump would win by 4 points. By the time the actual election gets here, I think Biden will lose by 7 or 8. In fact, things will be so terrible by Nov 24 that I think that 10 points is a possibility. If even my family are growing shaky on Biden, that tells you a lot.
     
    Are you really so naïve, or just pretend? In the age of massive voting fraud the opinions of the people, as well as their votes, don’t matter. Serious people will ensure that whoever they want wins, voters be damned. It’s the democracy, stupid! Only vile dictators care what the people in their countries think.

    Replies: @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Trump does have an outside chance. The Be Powers are not a monolith. There are factions. If he does come out on top in the selection process he will be just as owned as Biden–it will just he a different Deep State faction that owns him. Only a demented megalomaniac could want the job.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Only a demented megalomaniac could want the job.
     
    We had two megalomaniacs in 2020. Both were (and still are) stupid, but only one was demented. Then again, as American joke puts it, “Biden was always so dumb, that when he got demented, his family didn’t even notice”.
  70. @German_reader
    @YetAnotherAnon


    It sure was a good idea blowing up NS2.
     
    I think it was outrageous and a serious German government would punish the perpetrators, but on the other hand, the gas shipments had already been stopped by Russia and it's difficult to see how they could have been resumed given the war in Ukraine. The disastrous energy policy which to a large extent created the reliance on Russian gas was also self-inflicted. It's the price German society has to pay for not having violently suppressed the Greens and the anti-nuclear movement back in the 1980s.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “The disastrous energy policy which to a large extent created the reliance on Russian gas was also self-inflicted.”

    It was only disastrous because Germany was so tied to the US and NATO. Russo-German co-operation should be seen as a good thing, not a bad one.

    “it’s difficult to see how they could have been resumed given the war in Ukraine”

    Did Germany ban American and British imports in 2003 when the latter invaded Iraq?

    Given that Germany had no treaty obligations to Ukraine, and indeed that Ukraine have (and are still AFAIK) transiting Russian gas to Poland and Hungary, and Russia are still paying transit fees, there’s no reason why they shouldn’t have resumed.

    The Greens…I see Germany has reopened lignite power stations this autumn.

    https://www.powermag.com/germany-restarts-coal-fired-generation-to-support-winter-power-supply/

    What was the Green Party’s reaction to that, given that brown coal is about as dirty as coal can be?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @YetAnotherAnon


    It was only disastrous because Germany was so tied to the US and NATO.
     
    Well yes, obviously I wish it were different, and I would have preferred a different Russia policy (one that would have made an attempt to avoid a confrontation over Ukraine instead of pretty much provoking a showdown), but I'm not sure there's much point to crying over it now. The constraints on Germany are what they are, not much room for an independent policy after Russia's invasion. Besides, Russia turning all of Ukraine into a satellite state wouldn't have been in Germany's interests either.
    But anyway, the problems with Germany and the evil scum that is ruling the country are much more fundamental than anything about NS2.

    What was the Green Party’s reaction to that, given that brown coal is about as dirty as coal can be?
     
    They insisted on closing down the remaining nuclear power stations earlier this year. Which tells one everything one needs to know about how serious they actually are about acting against climate change. It's just a pretext for their authoritarian transformation agenda.

    Replies: @Mikel, @YetAnotherAnon

  71. @A123
    @YetAnotherAnon


    It sure was a good idea blowing up NS2.
     
    Was NS2 in service delivering gas when it failed? Nope. Thus, that event had no direct impact on activity. The German Greens destroyed the German productivity when they kept NS2 out of service. If it was intact & unused today, the economy would be identical.

    Germany needs AfD in government, but it may already be too late.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow

    Was NS2 in service delivering gas when it failed?

    Failed? Good one, where did they teach you to use synonyms?

    NS1 was in service and is not anymore…and shipments via Poland were stopped. EU countries now buy a lot more Russian LNG gas, it is more expensive, but why not?

    What happened with blowing up NS1-2 is simple: prices went up, large consumers like German mfg can’t afford it and be competitive, and since LNG gas is a commodity more expensive it is more every producer makes – that includes Russia. Their $5 billion investment in NS2 has been paid for with higher prices. German-Dutch-Austrian $5 billion investment has not.

    That’s the accounting – boring, but true. (I think Herr Scholz is an accountant.)

    • Replies: @A123
    @Beckow



    Was NS2 in service delivering gas when it failed?

     

    Failed? Good one, where did they teach you to use synonyms?
     
    The vastly most likely explanation is an industrial accident. Failed is consistent terminology for an incident involving operator error. Do you really want to go through the hydrate slug explanation again?

     
    https://i1.wp.com/www.arab-oil-naturalgas.com/wp-content/uploads/Hydrate.jpg
     

    If you insist on an unlikely conspiracy theory, you have to contend with three factors not found in military actions:

    -1- 50 miles of physical separation
    -2- Events 17 hours apart
    -3- Only 3 out of 4 tubes hit

    Nation level actors have skills and options to avoid these problems. Not-The-President Biden's administration leaks like a sieve. Thus, there is no reason to believe the U.S. was involved or had advance knowledge. Russia also would have been more competent if it was their plan.

    If it was clumsy sabotage -- That points to rogue operators, such as Ukrainian irregulars or German Antifa/Greens. If they exist, then tracking them down is highly desirable. Especially as they would likely be German or Ukrainian citizens.

    PEACE 😇
  72. German_reader says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    @German_reader

    "The disastrous energy policy which to a large extent created the reliance on Russian gas was also self-inflicted."

    It was only disastrous because Germany was so tied to the US and NATO. Russo-German co-operation should be seen as a good thing, not a bad one.

    "it’s difficult to see how they could have been resumed given the war in Ukraine"

    Did Germany ban American and British imports in 2003 when the latter invaded Iraq?

    Given that Germany had no treaty obligations to Ukraine, and indeed that Ukraine have (and are still AFAIK) transiting Russian gas to Poland and Hungary, and Russia are still paying transit fees, there's no reason why they shouldn't have resumed.

    The Greens...I see Germany has reopened lignite power stations this autumn.

    https://www.powermag.com/germany-restarts-coal-fired-generation-to-support-winter-power-supply/

    What was the Green Party's reaction to that, given that brown coal is about as dirty as coal can be?

    Replies: @German_reader

    It was only disastrous because Germany was so tied to the US and NATO.

    Well yes, obviously I wish it were different, and I would have preferred a different Russia policy (one that would have made an attempt to avoid a confrontation over Ukraine instead of pretty much provoking a showdown), but I’m not sure there’s much point to crying over it now. The constraints on Germany are what they are, not much room for an independent policy after Russia’s invasion. Besides, Russia turning all of Ukraine into a satellite state wouldn’t have been in Germany’s interests either.
    But anyway, the problems with Germany and the evil scum that is ruling the country are much more fundamental than anything about NS2.

    What was the Green Party’s reaction to that, given that brown coal is about as dirty as coal can be?

    They insisted on closing down the remaining nuclear power stations earlier this year. Which tells one everything one needs to know about how serious they actually are about acting against climate change. It’s just a pretext for their authoritarian transformation agenda.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @German_reader


    Russia turning all of Ukraine into a satellite state wouldn’t have been in Germany’s interests either.
     
    How would have that affected Germany's interests?

    I'm not saying that a big European country gobbling up a smaller country would have been a good thing from any perspective but Germany has no direct border with Ukraine, the trade volume is not very big and Ukraine has been some sort of Russian satellite for most of its independence. In fact, the big conflicts began when the pro-western forces finally gained the upper hand in Kiev. So it's not clear how returning to the historical status quo of a Russia-aligned Ukraine would have much affected the rest of Europe.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @German_reader

    I think we're generally in agreement here, except perhaps for


    "I would have preferred a different Russia policy (one that would have made an attempt to avoid a confrontation over Ukraine instead of pretty much provoking a showdown)"
     
    The 2014 coup shocked Russia into instant action over Crimea, but otherwise Russia were content to negotiate for the next 8 years over the status of the Russian population of Donbass and Luhansk - not exactly precipitate action. They were quite happy with the regional autonomy promised by Minsk II.

    Only when it became apparent that negotiations were just a delaying tactic while Ukr forces were trained and armed did Russia move.

    They must have been pleased when Zelensky was elected on an explicit platform of improving relations with Russia, and deeply disillusioned when his policy was the precise opposite.

    Replies: @German_reader, @John Johnson

  73. @John Johnson
    @AP

    I haven’t watched any of the TV shows because I don’t have Disney + and I couldn’t be bothered to pay for them or try to watch them illegally.

    Well at $14 it is the price of a movie ticket and worth it for a few months to stream everything. Mandalorian alone is worth the price.

    I would also check out the Clone Wars movie. Even though it is animated it is still better than the newer stuff.

    They also have some interesting classic stuff. Old Mickey cartoons and stuff.

    Can't seem to find Song of the South though. I'll write Kathleen Kennedy and ask about it.

    Replies: @songbird

    Can’t seem to find Song of the South though.

    I encourage people to watch Song of the South because it was super-woke for the day.

    [MORE]

    They made sure to make it post-bellum because ante-bellum was taboo. The blacks were basically without a flaw (except lack of education), and even numinous, whereas many white characters had flaws, especially the poor boys.

    It is shocking and eye-opening to see it and understand that they essentially banned this film in the US, despite it having a very idealized depiction. I think it has a much broader significance for society, by extrapolation.
    _______
    iIRC, Chinese online were complaining about the diversity in Rogue One.

    They had that same cliche, an orphan or pseudo-orphan. Kind of a girl power film, when the girl was like 30 or something and should have been married by then before she becomes a leftover woman.

    Vader’s voice sounded very decrepit.

  74. @Beckow
    @A123


    Was NS2 in service delivering gas when it failed?
     
    Failed? Good one, where did they teach you to use synonyms?

    NS1 was in service and is not anymore...and shipments via Poland were stopped. EU countries now buy a lot more Russian LNG gas, it is more expensive, but why not?

    What happened with blowing up NS1-2 is simple: prices went up, large consumers like German mfg can't afford it and be competitive, and since LNG gas is a commodity more expensive it is more every producer makes - that includes Russia. Their $5 billion investment in NS2 has been paid for with higher prices. German-Dutch-Austrian $5 billion investment has not.

    That's the accounting - boring, but true. (I think Herr Scholz is an accountant.)

    Replies: @A123

    Was NS2 in service delivering gas when it failed?

    Failed? Good one, where did they teach you to use synonyms?

    The vastly most likely explanation is an industrial accident. Failed is consistent terminology for an incident involving operator error. Do you really want to go through the hydrate slug explanation again?

     

     

    If you insist on an unlikely conspiracy theory, you have to contend with three factors not found in military actions:

    -1- 50 miles of physical separation
    -2- Events 17 hours apart
    -3- Only 3 out of 4 tubes hit

    Nation level actors have skills and options to avoid these problems. Not-The-President Biden’s administration leaks like a sieve. Thus, there is no reason to believe the U.S. was involved or had advance knowledge. Russia also would have been more competent if it was their plan.

    If it was clumsy sabotage — That points to rogue operators, such as Ukrainian irregulars or German Antifa/Greens. If they exist, then tracking them down is highly desirable. Especially as they would likely be German or Ukrainian citizens.

    PEACE 😇

  75. Translation, by simplicius76:

    It is true that a significant share of responsibility for the faith of the average citizen in our quick and beautiful victory lies with me personally.

    But I am not running away from this responsibility.

    I created the illusion at that time so that we could survive.

    Today I am destroying it so that we can survive further.

    My very loose translation of that is, “if we don’t negotiate soon, there won’t be anything – or more importantly anyone – left to negotiate about“.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @YetAnotherAnon


    “if we don’t negotiate soon, there won’t be anything – or more importantly anyone – left to negotiate about“.
     
    Negotiations were on the cards more than a year ago. As they say in Russia, that train has already left the station.

    As time clearly works for Russia, the only thing it will negotiate today is unconditional surrender of Kiev regime. Clown-in-chief won’t be around to sign this surrender, might not even be alive by the time it is signed. After all, it was not Hitler who signed unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany in 1945.
  76. @YetAnotherAnon
    https://twitter.com/arestovych/status/1720781575506301160

    Translation, by simplicius76:

    It is true that a significant share of responsibility for the faith of the average citizen in our quick and beautiful victory lies with me personally.

    But I am not running away from this responsibility.

    I created the illusion at that time so that we could survive.

    Today I am destroying it so that we can survive further.
     
    My very loose translation of that is, "if we don't negotiate soon, there won't be anything - or more importantly anyone - left to negotiate about".

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    “if we don’t negotiate soon, there won’t be anything – or more importantly anyone – left to negotiate about“.

    Negotiations were on the cards more than a year ago. As they say in Russia, that train has already left the station.

    As time clearly works for Russia, the only thing it will negotiate today is unconditional surrender of Kiev regime. Clown-in-chief won’t be around to sign this surrender, might not even be alive by the time it is signed. After all, it was not Hitler who signed unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany in 1945.

    • Agree: Mikhail
  77. @German_reader
    @YetAnotherAnon


    It was only disastrous because Germany was so tied to the US and NATO.
     
    Well yes, obviously I wish it were different, and I would have preferred a different Russia policy (one that would have made an attempt to avoid a confrontation over Ukraine instead of pretty much provoking a showdown), but I'm not sure there's much point to crying over it now. The constraints on Germany are what they are, not much room for an independent policy after Russia's invasion. Besides, Russia turning all of Ukraine into a satellite state wouldn't have been in Germany's interests either.
    But anyway, the problems with Germany and the evil scum that is ruling the country are much more fundamental than anything about NS2.

    What was the Green Party’s reaction to that, given that brown coal is about as dirty as coal can be?
     
    They insisted on closing down the remaining nuclear power stations earlier this year. Which tells one everything one needs to know about how serious they actually are about acting against climate change. It's just a pretext for their authoritarian transformation agenda.

    Replies: @Mikel, @YetAnotherAnon

    Russia turning all of Ukraine into a satellite state wouldn’t have been in Germany’s interests either.

    How would have that affected Germany’s interests?

    I’m not saying that a big European country gobbling up a smaller country would have been a good thing from any perspective but Germany has no direct border with Ukraine, the trade volume is not very big and Ukraine has been some sort of Russian satellite for most of its independence. In fact, the big conflicts began when the pro-western forces finally gained the upper hand in Kiev. So it’s not clear how returning to the historical status quo of a Russia-aligned Ukraine would have much affected the rest of Europe.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mikel


    but Germany has no direct border with Ukraine
     
    The EU has though. Sure, I guess you could make an argument that Belarus is now essentially a Russian satellite state and we can live with it, so what if Putin had reduced Ukraine to the same status in a "police action" according to the old Warsaw pact playbook (as he probably imagined when he gave the order for the invasion in February 2022). But there probably would have been a lot of negative repercussions.
    Of course the end result of what has actually happened might be even worse. Given the recent string of critical articles in fairly mainstream media and Arestovych's utterances it looks like Ukraine's situation might be fairly precarious. Maybe even a sudden collapse is possible. And who knows what will happen then. There would certainly be calls for direct NATO intervention from the usual suspects. Which might not be likely. But a victorious Russia with a battle-hardened army on NATO's borders isn't that appealing a prospect in any case (even if I think all these claims "Putin is going to invade the Baltics or Poland next" are just propaganda).

    In fact, the big conflicts began when the pro-western forces finally gained the upper hand in Kiev.
     
    Sure, it was a disastrous idea to attempt removing all Russian influence from Ukraine. The very idea of integrating Ukraine into an anti-Russian alliance was total madness.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Sean

  78. @German_reader
    Interesting story about the effects of firing large numbers of artillery shells on the battery crews:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/05/us/us-army-marines-artillery-isis-pentagon.html
    Apparently the blasts can cause serious brain damage.

    Replies: @songbird

    During WWI, the velocity of the gas ejected from the back of guns was deadly to anyone standing behind them.

    I wonder whether it is mainly some fraction of people who are susceptible – I believe football is like that.

    And whether someone with a less gracilized skull might have other physiological or neurological traits that would make them more resistant. (Would guess not.) But it is interesting to think of Abo or Neanderthal loaders being somehow superior, assuming they fired on target, or someone else targeted.

  79. German_reader says:
    @Mikel
    @German_reader


    Russia turning all of Ukraine into a satellite state wouldn’t have been in Germany’s interests either.
     
    How would have that affected Germany's interests?

    I'm not saying that a big European country gobbling up a smaller country would have been a good thing from any perspective but Germany has no direct border with Ukraine, the trade volume is not very big and Ukraine has been some sort of Russian satellite for most of its independence. In fact, the big conflicts began when the pro-western forces finally gained the upper hand in Kiev. So it's not clear how returning to the historical status quo of a Russia-aligned Ukraine would have much affected the rest of Europe.

    Replies: @German_reader

    but Germany has no direct border with Ukraine

    The EU has though. Sure, I guess you could make an argument that Belarus is now essentially a Russian satellite state and we can live with it, so what if Putin had reduced Ukraine to the same status in a “police action” according to the old Warsaw pact playbook (as he probably imagined when he gave the order for the invasion in February 2022). But there probably would have been a lot of negative repercussions.
    Of course the end result of what has actually happened might be even worse. Given the recent string of critical articles in fairly mainstream media and Arestovych’s utterances it looks like Ukraine’s situation might be fairly precarious. Maybe even a sudden collapse is possible. And who knows what will happen then. There would certainly be calls for direct NATO intervention from the usual suspects. Which might not be likely. But a victorious Russia with a battle-hardened army on NATO’s borders isn’t that appealing a prospect in any case (even if I think all these claims “Putin is going to invade the Baltics or Poland next” are just propaganda).

    In fact, the big conflicts began when the pro-western forces finally gained the upper hand in Kiev.

    Sure, it was a disastrous idea to attempt removing all Russian influence from Ukraine. The very idea of integrating Ukraine into an anti-Russian alliance was total madness.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @German_reader


    There would certainly be calls for direct NATO intervention from the usual suspects.
     
    I don't think those calls would be listened to. I don't know what's happened exactly, I guess there is a lot I still need to learn about my new country, but Ukraine is pretty much forgotten and has almost become a toxic, divisive issue politically.

    Conservative political commentators in the US are totally in overdrive about support for Israel. The lack of nuance is astonishing and hard to believe. I doubt Israelis themselves are so unanimous on their support for the war in Gaza. This morning I was listening to one of these commentators on the radio, not sure who it was, who accused people who oppose the Gaza bombings of being "anti-Semitic", a view held by everyone in the studio with him. But at some point he managed to tie in the humanitarian aid to Gaza, that he thinks is used by Hamas in malicious ways, with the aid that the US is sending to Ukraine, also being pillaged according to him.

    When it comes to foreign matters, the level of the public discourse in the US is quite low. It's typically an all-or-nothing approach. I don't doubt there's still a lot of Ukraine hawks in DC but their influence is clearly on the wane, with many conservatives having decided to ditch Ukraine. The fact that Biden hasn't managed to get Congress funding for Ukraine for months and that last time Zelensky visited Washington he wasn't invited to Congress (even though McCarthy was still speaker) speaks for itself.

    I guess things in Europe have not changed nearly as much but this is the reality in the US right now, that cannot be ignored. I guess Zelensky was right that the Gaza war is very bad news for Ukraine. However, I don't think the Russians are capable of making Ukraine collapse, as their difficulties in Avdiivka show. And one shouldn't forget that they failed to take Kiev, Chenihiv and Sumy when Ukraine had only received minimal help from the West.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @Dmitry

    , @Sean
    @German_reader


    Arestovych’s utterances
     
    The key to understanding what is going on is not political or psychological but practical military science; Valery Zaluzhny's recent piece in which he says the technology has got beyond the standard military doctrine of mobile warfare in all armies, because surveillance can see everything the opponent does and target them in real time. In addition minefields can be laid and re-laid from the drones and artillery cutting off any breakthrough. Swift advances will remain impossible until some new technology gives the offence its edge back. And--rely on it--you will have a long wait for that.
  80. Oleksander Rostpuko.

  81. @German_reader
    @YetAnotherAnon


    It was only disastrous because Germany was so tied to the US and NATO.
     
    Well yes, obviously I wish it were different, and I would have preferred a different Russia policy (one that would have made an attempt to avoid a confrontation over Ukraine instead of pretty much provoking a showdown), but I'm not sure there's much point to crying over it now. The constraints on Germany are what they are, not much room for an independent policy after Russia's invasion. Besides, Russia turning all of Ukraine into a satellite state wouldn't have been in Germany's interests either.
    But anyway, the problems with Germany and the evil scum that is ruling the country are much more fundamental than anything about NS2.

    What was the Green Party’s reaction to that, given that brown coal is about as dirty as coal can be?
     
    They insisted on closing down the remaining nuclear power stations earlier this year. Which tells one everything one needs to know about how serious they actually are about acting against climate change. It's just a pretext for their authoritarian transformation agenda.

    Replies: @Mikel, @YetAnotherAnon

    I think we’re generally in agreement here, except perhaps for

    “I would have preferred a different Russia policy (one that would have made an attempt to avoid a confrontation over Ukraine instead of pretty much provoking a showdown)”

    The 2014 coup shocked Russia into instant action over Crimea, but otherwise Russia were content to negotiate for the next 8 years over the status of the Russian population of Donbass and Luhansk – not exactly precipitate action. They were quite happy with the regional autonomy promised by Minsk II.

    Only when it became apparent that negotiations were just a delaying tactic while Ukr forces were trained and armed did Russia move.

    They must have been pleased when Zelensky was elected on an explicit platform of improving relations with Russia, and deeply disillusioned when his policy was the precise opposite.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Only when it became apparent that negotiations were just a delaying tactic while Ukr forces were trained and armed did Russia move.
     
    That was essentially the point I wanted to make. Of course we can't know exactly what caused Putin's decision for the invasion, but something must have changed in 2021. The strategic partnership agreement between the US and Ukraine in September 2021 was probably an important factor, as was the evident inability or unwillingness of Germany and France to put pressure on Ukraine regarding the Minsk agreements.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ

    , @John Johnson
    @YetAnotherAnon

    The 2014 coup shocked Russia into instant action over Crimea

    How exactly was it a coup when all parties wanted Yanukovych removed? Including his own pro-Russian party?

    Are you suggesting he was innocent and was unjustly accused of corruption? Do you believe that his million dollar mansion was actually purchased with legal funds? Even though the doors alone cost more than his annual salary?

    Yanukovych's mansion now a museum of corruption
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezhyhirya_Residence

  82. @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You make a strong case about Kamala, sure, but who is going to tell her and her insane ethno-supporters? They may not take kindly to reality...:)


    Unlike Russia we have an open election. Anyone can run.
     
    Really? To start with, you would like Trump to be barred. It is not an open system - the amount of permissions needed is very high. Don't pretend - everyone knows it is a managed process, more so than in other Western countries where there are fewer barriers. You can justify it by needs of a large unwieldy country, but don't preach to us.

    The process is unlike in many other countries open to cheating - no real checks, very sloppy data, remote voting. Check out how it is done in UK: same night, simple counting, no fuss and almost no opportunity for mischief.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    You make a strong case about Kamala, sure, but who is going to tell her and her insane ethno-supporters? They may not take kindly to reality…:)

    She actually doesn’t have that many supporters.

    Hillary was touring colleges at this point. Kamala is kept in a cage. They try to keep the camera off of her. Just search the news feeds to see how rarely they interview her. Everyone knows.

    Really? To start with, you would like Trump to be barred.

    Yes and no. I want Trump to quit because Biden’s best hope is for him to run. My worst case scenario is a Harris presidency. If Biden somehow wins I’m not convinced he has the guts to ask Harris to leave. In fact I don’t really care if we get a milktoast boring lawyer from either party if it means Harris is out.

    As for restrictions I don’t think felons should be allowed to run but that isn’t the law. Trump doesn’t have a felony (yet) and I fully support giving him a fair trial. But I don’t think he has much of a chance. The judge looks ready to charge him over Trump Fraud U. Then there are the classified documents. I just don’t see how he can escape all these charges. He really messed up with the documents. All he had to do was give them back when they asked for them. The guy is a silver spoon brat that can be irrationally stubborn. I would take him over most US politicians but I’m not in denial of his character or lack of it. He disappointed me on the border but he fulfilled job #1 which was keeping out Hillary.

    It is not an open system – the amount of permissions needed is very high. Don’t pretend – everyone knows it is a managed process, more so than in other Western countries where there are fewer barriers.

    It is very much an open system as seen by third party candidates. The vote sucking libertarian ran in the last election without permission and took votes away from Trump. RFK is hated by the Democrats and plans to run as an independent. The Democrats most likely lost the Bush II election because of Nader’s Green Party run.

    The process is unlike in many other countries open to cheating – no real checks, very sloppy data, remote voting.

    There is widespread belief among the MAGA crowd that Trump lost to cheating and yet exit polls matched the results. He lost independent Whites while gaining Hispanics. If 1 million more White men voted then we wouldn’t have doofy mcgoo. Millions of Whites don’t even bother voting. It’s so easy with absentee ballots but I guess they have more important things to do like watch 3-4 hours of television.

  83. German_reader says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    @German_reader

    I think we're generally in agreement here, except perhaps for


    "I would have preferred a different Russia policy (one that would have made an attempt to avoid a confrontation over Ukraine instead of pretty much provoking a showdown)"
     
    The 2014 coup shocked Russia into instant action over Crimea, but otherwise Russia were content to negotiate for the next 8 years over the status of the Russian population of Donbass and Luhansk - not exactly precipitate action. They were quite happy with the regional autonomy promised by Minsk II.

    Only when it became apparent that negotiations were just a delaying tactic while Ukr forces were trained and armed did Russia move.

    They must have been pleased when Zelensky was elected on an explicit platform of improving relations with Russia, and deeply disillusioned when his policy was the precise opposite.

    Replies: @German_reader, @John Johnson

    Only when it became apparent that negotiations were just a delaying tactic while Ukr forces were trained and armed did Russia move.

    That was essentially the point I wanted to make. Of course we can’t know exactly what caused Putin’s decision for the invasion, but something must have changed in 2021. The strategic partnership agreement between the US and Ukraine in September 2021 was probably an important factor, as was the evident inability or unwillingness of Germany and France to put pressure on Ukraine regarding the Minsk agreements.

    • Thanks: Sean
    • Replies: @AP
    @German_reader

    What changed was that Ukraine's economy kept improving as it was integrating with Europe, and pro-Russian Medvedchuk had his media empire taken away, and the Russian language was getting phased out. The first fact meant that Ukraine would not be forced to crawl back to Russia out of economic desperation and the second meant cultural estrangement. Essentially, Ukraine would be lost to Russia permanently. The hope of it one day following Belarus was receding.

    Only a military intervention could (hopefully) change this.

    NATO membership was not realistically viable, but it it were to have happened the result would not be an attack on Russia (no one is even attacking annoying North Korea) but permanent end to hopes of invading Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader


    as was the evident inability or unwillingness of Germany and France to put pressure on Ukraine regarding the Minsk agreements.
     
    Why exactly should Ukraine have ever given up its EU aspirations, even though they were a long way away from joining the EU before the Russian invasion of their country? What exactly would have been the point of Ukraine seceding from the USSR and going through all of that suffering in the 1990s and beyond if it couldn't even eventually join the EU?
  84. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    but Germany has no direct border with Ukraine
     
    The EU has though. Sure, I guess you could make an argument that Belarus is now essentially a Russian satellite state and we can live with it, so what if Putin had reduced Ukraine to the same status in a "police action" according to the old Warsaw pact playbook (as he probably imagined when he gave the order for the invasion in February 2022). But there probably would have been a lot of negative repercussions.
    Of course the end result of what has actually happened might be even worse. Given the recent string of critical articles in fairly mainstream media and Arestovych's utterances it looks like Ukraine's situation might be fairly precarious. Maybe even a sudden collapse is possible. And who knows what will happen then. There would certainly be calls for direct NATO intervention from the usual suspects. Which might not be likely. But a victorious Russia with a battle-hardened army on NATO's borders isn't that appealing a prospect in any case (even if I think all these claims "Putin is going to invade the Baltics or Poland next" are just propaganda).

    In fact, the big conflicts began when the pro-western forces finally gained the upper hand in Kiev.
     
    Sure, it was a disastrous idea to attempt removing all Russian influence from Ukraine. The very idea of integrating Ukraine into an anti-Russian alliance was total madness.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Sean

    There would certainly be calls for direct NATO intervention from the usual suspects.

    I don’t think those calls would be listened to. I don’t know what’s happened exactly, I guess there is a lot I still need to learn about my new country, but Ukraine is pretty much forgotten and has almost become a toxic, divisive issue politically.

    Conservative political commentators in the US are totally in overdrive about support for Israel. The lack of nuance is astonishing and hard to believe. I doubt Israelis themselves are so unanimous on their support for the war in Gaza. This morning I was listening to one of these commentators on the radio, not sure who it was, who accused people who oppose the Gaza bombings of being “anti-Semitic”, a view held by everyone in the studio with him. But at some point he managed to tie in the humanitarian aid to Gaza, that he thinks is used by Hamas in malicious ways, with the aid that the US is sending to Ukraine, also being pillaged according to him.

    When it comes to foreign matters, the level of the public discourse in the US is quite low. It’s typically an all-or-nothing approach. I don’t doubt there’s still a lot of Ukraine hawks in DC but their influence is clearly on the wane, with many conservatives having decided to ditch Ukraine. The fact that Biden hasn’t managed to get Congress funding for Ukraine for months and that last time Zelensky visited Washington he wasn’t invited to Congress (even though McCarthy was still speaker) speaks for itself.

    I guess things in Europe have not changed nearly as much but this is the reality in the US right now, that cannot be ignored. I guess Zelensky was right that the Gaza war is very bad news for Ukraine. However, I don’t think the Russians are capable of making Ukraine collapse, as their difficulties in Avdiivka show. And one shouldn’t forget that they failed to take Kiev, Chenihiv and Sumy when Ukraine had only received minimal help from the West.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mikel


    I guess things in Europe have not changed nearly as much
     
    In Germany Israel/Palestine is definitely the dominant topic now that has displaced everything else, including Ukraine. And there is very little nuance here either. The entire establishment is trying to outdo each other in "solidarity" with Israel and crying crocodile's tears about anti-Israel demonstrations by jihad-minded Muslims (wow, what a surprise, who could have known that people from the Mideast have such views...). The more extreme "liberal-conservatives" make approving comparisons with the allied bombing campaign in WW2 (just as that was necessary back then, so flattening Gaza is necessary now, not just to prevent more terror attacks and rescue hostages, but to lay the basis for re-educating Palestinians and curing them of antisemitism). Have even seen the old "Jordan should be the Palestinian state" line in a fairly mainstream publication.
    I find it extremely tiresome, even more so than Ukraine. At least Ukraine and the relations with Russia are important issues for the entire European security order, and I find the entire conflict depressing and tragic. Whereas if I'm honest with Israelis and Palestinians it's more like pity they both can't lose.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Barbarossa, @Beckow

    , @A123
    @Mikel


    at some point he managed to tie in the humanitarian aid to Gaza, that he thinks is used by Hamas in malicious ways, with the aid that the US is sending to Ukraine, also being pillaged according to him.
     
    Ukie/Pali is a somewhat comparable mindset. Iranian Hamas steals fuel from hospitals and cuts up water pipe to make rockets. The Ukie's are not as bad, but the level of graft associated with funding Kiev is large. There are new corruption scandals every week or two.

    The fact that Biden hasn’t managed to get Congress funding for Ukraine for months and that last time Zelensky visited Washington he wasn’t invited to Congress (even though McCarthy was still speaker) speaks for itself.
     
    The fact that Kiev received a great deal and then Zelensky demanded much more came off as ingratitude.

    When the initial rounds went through, it was pitched as helping Ukraine "win". Now it is clear that Kiev cannot "win" militarily. For those who want to be re-elected, backing Kiev's failing efforts is much less appealing than it was 12 months ago.


    I don’t think the Russians are capable of making Ukraine collapse
     
    Russia does not want Ukraine to collapse. Failed states make bad neighbors. Russia is seeing that up close from their base in Tartus. Lebanon continues to circle the drain.

    There is another Ukie/Pali problem. Just like Abbas walked away from Oslo -- Zelensky walked away from Minsk. Russia has been willing to negotiate for some time, but Putin has no one credible to make a deal with.

    Neither Putin nor Netanyahu cannot allow a pause that would used for rearmament.

    PEACE 😇

    , @Dmitry
    @Mikel

    I'm sure public opinion is important if Biden wants some kind of crazy high funding to Ukraine, like the new $60 billion funding to Ukraine he wants, after the $75 billion they have given to Ukraine.

    But for the general alliance, the geopolitical alignments of USA to Ukraine is probably becoming more significant than partisan politics. So, some extent of American support to Ukraine could become independent of public views.

    There's now beginning some new almost Cold War blocs. After around autumn 2022, Russia becomes dependent in terms of military equipment to Iran and North Korea.

    So, there is now three of the main unfriendly countries for America becoming like a Cold War bloc "Russia-Iran-North Korea". If they just add Cuba and Venezuela.

    Ukraine is now on the American side of the blocs, even if Ukraine would be unpopular with the public in America this geopolitical alignment is probably not changing until at least Putin retires.*

    If you remember the effect of the blocs in America's 20th century Cold War policy in Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Nicaragua. For example the Washington DC supports the Contras in Nicaragua because of the geopolitics, not because of "pro-Contras" opinion in the American population.

    -

    *Putin will be President until at least 2030.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @A123

  85. @katesisco
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/05/us/us-army-marines-artillery-isis-pentagon.html
    Peter Koenig writes on the brain impact from 5G.
    Early reports from scientists note sub sonic waves create the sense of 'another.'
    What is the outcome of this information?
    Either we ban these damaging sound waves OR.............
    we will see the further research into a form of 'brain shield' for a select few or even "domed" cities to prevent the incursion of waves. More likely these cities will be on distant islands almost inaccessible.
    War marches on.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Tin foil hats are coming back in vogue!

    Actually they are woven from nonlinear magneto-ferroic smart wire and tuned to block EM waves but amplify outgoing brain waves.

  86. @YetAnotherAnon
    @German_reader

    I think we're generally in agreement here, except perhaps for


    "I would have preferred a different Russia policy (one that would have made an attempt to avoid a confrontation over Ukraine instead of pretty much provoking a showdown)"
     
    The 2014 coup shocked Russia into instant action over Crimea, but otherwise Russia were content to negotiate for the next 8 years over the status of the Russian population of Donbass and Luhansk - not exactly precipitate action. They were quite happy with the regional autonomy promised by Minsk II.

    Only when it became apparent that negotiations were just a delaying tactic while Ukr forces were trained and armed did Russia move.

    They must have been pleased when Zelensky was elected on an explicit platform of improving relations with Russia, and deeply disillusioned when his policy was the precise opposite.

    Replies: @German_reader, @John Johnson

    The 2014 coup shocked Russia into instant action over Crimea

    How exactly was it a coup when all parties wanted Yanukovych removed? Including his own pro-Russian party?

    Are you suggesting he was innocent and was unjustly accused of corruption? Do you believe that his million dollar mansion was actually purchased with legal funds? Even though the doors alone cost more than his annual salary?

    Yanukovych’s mansion now a museum of corruption
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezhyhirya_Residence

  87. Really good footage of a Russian holiday parade with fireworks:

    Not that they are hit with a cluster after they out of the vehicles. Nice move.

  88. @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You repeat desperate nonsense about Nato, but you know what was going on. If you choose to lie to yourself or to others, that's your issue. It doesn't change anything.

    Zelko run on a pro-peace platform and then betrayed people who voted for him - it is not so hard to understand. If you don't know what a "neo-con" is, google it...


    How would they handle Finland if they are now in NATO?
     
    Lost business and economics. For details, get a map and a calculator. Over time Finland will become friendly again, they are not stupid, they like to make money.

    Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson

    Finland can be the first country to leave NATO (I think). Late in Phase II.

    “Finland in NATO: Last in, first out.”
    “Easy come, easy go.”

    These headlines write themselves. “She’s cute, but not real bright.” (Marin).

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Finland can be the first country to leave NATO (I think). Late in Phase II.

    “Finland in NATO: Last in, first out.”
    “Easy come, easy go.”


    So while Russia is violently suppressing any remaining resistance you believe Finland would leave NATO? Is that right? Why?

    What would prevent Russia from invading Finland on the basis that they can't be allowed to ever join NATO again?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Derer

  89. German_reader says:
    @Mikel
    @German_reader


    There would certainly be calls for direct NATO intervention from the usual suspects.
     
    I don't think those calls would be listened to. I don't know what's happened exactly, I guess there is a lot I still need to learn about my new country, but Ukraine is pretty much forgotten and has almost become a toxic, divisive issue politically.

    Conservative political commentators in the US are totally in overdrive about support for Israel. The lack of nuance is astonishing and hard to believe. I doubt Israelis themselves are so unanimous on their support for the war in Gaza. This morning I was listening to one of these commentators on the radio, not sure who it was, who accused people who oppose the Gaza bombings of being "anti-Semitic", a view held by everyone in the studio with him. But at some point he managed to tie in the humanitarian aid to Gaza, that he thinks is used by Hamas in malicious ways, with the aid that the US is sending to Ukraine, also being pillaged according to him.

    When it comes to foreign matters, the level of the public discourse in the US is quite low. It's typically an all-or-nothing approach. I don't doubt there's still a lot of Ukraine hawks in DC but their influence is clearly on the wane, with many conservatives having decided to ditch Ukraine. The fact that Biden hasn't managed to get Congress funding for Ukraine for months and that last time Zelensky visited Washington he wasn't invited to Congress (even though McCarthy was still speaker) speaks for itself.

    I guess things in Europe have not changed nearly as much but this is the reality in the US right now, that cannot be ignored. I guess Zelensky was right that the Gaza war is very bad news for Ukraine. However, I don't think the Russians are capable of making Ukraine collapse, as their difficulties in Avdiivka show. And one shouldn't forget that they failed to take Kiev, Chenihiv and Sumy when Ukraine had only received minimal help from the West.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @Dmitry

    I guess things in Europe have not changed nearly as much

    In Germany Israel/Palestine is definitely the dominant topic now that has displaced everything else, including Ukraine. And there is very little nuance here either. The entire establishment is trying to outdo each other in “solidarity” with Israel and crying crocodile’s tears about anti-Israel demonstrations by jihad-minded Muslims (wow, what a surprise, who could have known that people from the Mideast have such views…). The more extreme “liberal-conservatives” make approving comparisons with the allied bombing campaign in WW2 (just as that was necessary back then, so flattening Gaza is necessary now, not just to prevent more terror attacks and rescue hostages, but to lay the basis for re-educating Palestinians and curing them of antisemitism). Have even seen the old “Jordan should be the Palestinian state” line in a fairly mainstream publication.
    I find it extremely tiresome, even more so than Ukraine. At least Ukraine and the relations with Russia are important issues for the entire European security order, and I find the entire conflict depressing and tragic. Whereas if I’m honest with Israelis and Palestinians it’s more like pity they both can’t lose.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @German_reader

    Interesting that the public discourse in Germany is also so pro-Israel. Perhaps the historical guilt issue must be playing a role. I think that in the rest of Western Europe the Palestinians get plenty of public support but only as the victims of a quasi-colonial situation and the ones who always put the brunt of the civilian casualties. It's seldom an unrestricted support though, they started using terrorist tactics very early on (the Munich massacre, etc) and never made themselves too appealing to Western eyes. In fact, support for Israel is common among European right wingers who regard Palestinians as too alien civilizationally. But I guess most Europeans share your lack of sympathy for any of both sides.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @German_reader, @Greasy William

    , @Barbarossa
    @German_reader

    German politicians making self-flagellating approving statements about Allied bombing is painfully stupid.
    Prompted by Emil Nikola Richard's post on the proposed "Bat Bomb" I was discussing the civilian toll of Allied bombing of Germany and Japan with my wife. She was mentioning a book which mentioned the sinking of the civilian loaded Wilhem Gustloff, which was I believe the worst maritime disaster in history.
    The disregard for civilians in WW2 by the Allies was horrific and any honest accounting of the history would recognize that there truly were no good guys.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ, @German_reader

    , @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...“liberal-conservatives” make approving comparisons with the allied bombing campaign in WW2, just as that was necessary back then, so flattening Gaza is necessary now
     
    I hope those are extreme views. Today one can't be sure, the knives are out. In Prague some cultural figures talk about eliminating Palis and "it has to be done!" The open-border fanatics of yesteryear are screaming "kick them out!, let's not be soft!". But Prague is self-consciously absurd city, they overdo everything.
  90. @Mikel
    @German_reader


    There would certainly be calls for direct NATO intervention from the usual suspects.
     
    I don't think those calls would be listened to. I don't know what's happened exactly, I guess there is a lot I still need to learn about my new country, but Ukraine is pretty much forgotten and has almost become a toxic, divisive issue politically.

    Conservative political commentators in the US are totally in overdrive about support for Israel. The lack of nuance is astonishing and hard to believe. I doubt Israelis themselves are so unanimous on their support for the war in Gaza. This morning I was listening to one of these commentators on the radio, not sure who it was, who accused people who oppose the Gaza bombings of being "anti-Semitic", a view held by everyone in the studio with him. But at some point he managed to tie in the humanitarian aid to Gaza, that he thinks is used by Hamas in malicious ways, with the aid that the US is sending to Ukraine, also being pillaged according to him.

    When it comes to foreign matters, the level of the public discourse in the US is quite low. It's typically an all-or-nothing approach. I don't doubt there's still a lot of Ukraine hawks in DC but their influence is clearly on the wane, with many conservatives having decided to ditch Ukraine. The fact that Biden hasn't managed to get Congress funding for Ukraine for months and that last time Zelensky visited Washington he wasn't invited to Congress (even though McCarthy was still speaker) speaks for itself.

    I guess things in Europe have not changed nearly as much but this is the reality in the US right now, that cannot be ignored. I guess Zelensky was right that the Gaza war is very bad news for Ukraine. However, I don't think the Russians are capable of making Ukraine collapse, as their difficulties in Avdiivka show. And one shouldn't forget that they failed to take Kiev, Chenihiv and Sumy when Ukraine had only received minimal help from the West.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @Dmitry

    at some point he managed to tie in the humanitarian aid to Gaza, that he thinks is used by Hamas in malicious ways, with the aid that the US is sending to Ukraine, also being pillaged according to him.

    Ukie/Pali is a somewhat comparable mindset. Iranian Hamas steals fuel from hospitals and cuts up water pipe to make rockets. The Ukie’s are not as bad, but the level of graft associated with funding Kiev is large. There are new corruption scandals every week or two.

    The fact that Biden hasn’t managed to get Congress funding for Ukraine for months and that last time Zelensky visited Washington he wasn’t invited to Congress (even though McCarthy was still speaker) speaks for itself.

    The fact that Kiev received a great deal and then Zelensky demanded much more came off as ingratitude.

    When the initial rounds went through, it was pitched as helping Ukraine “win”. Now it is clear that Kiev cannot “win” militarily. For those who want to be re-elected, backing Kiev’s failing efforts is much less appealing than it was 12 months ago.

    I don’t think the Russians are capable of making Ukraine collapse

    Russia does not want Ukraine to collapse. Failed states make bad neighbors. Russia is seeing that up close from their base in Tartus. Lebanon continues to circle the drain.

    There is another Ukie/Pali problem. Just like Abbas walked away from Oslo — Zelensky walked away from Minsk. Russia has been willing to negotiate for some time, but Putin has no one credible to make a deal with.

    Neither Putin nor Netanyahu cannot allow a pause that would used for rearmament.

    PEACE 😇

  91. @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You repeat desperate nonsense about Nato, but you know what was going on. If you choose to lie to yourself or to others, that's your issue. It doesn't change anything.

    Zelko run on a pro-peace platform and then betrayed people who voted for him - it is not so hard to understand. If you don't know what a "neo-con" is, google it...


    How would they handle Finland if they are now in NATO?
     
    Lost business and economics. For details, get a map and a calculator. Over time Finland will become friendly again, they are not stupid, they like to make money.

    Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson

    You repeat desperate nonsense about Nato, but you know what was going on. If you choose to lie to yourself or to others, that’s your issue. It doesn’t change anything.

    Everyone can see that you are unable to answer very basic questions about NATO. It’s pretty much expected at this point. You make a statement about NATO or Ukraine and then change then subject when asked to elaborate.

    Zelko run on a pro-peace platform and then betrayed people who voted for him – it is not so hard to understand.

    Well then explain it for us since Zelensky was elected in 2019 and never initiated the NATO application process.

    Do tell what he did in that short period to betray his people.

    You clearly spent too much time in a pro-Putin bubble and didn’t realize that most of the pro-Putin bloggers are just plain full of shit. That is what happens when you try to defend the credibility of a mass murdering dwarf who lied to the UN about it being a “training exercise” and swore that he would never invade. He also pledged that DPR/LPR would become Republics which never happened. Putin recently claimed that his Jewish chef turned private warlord died after getting high on cocaine and playing with hand grenades. Do you believe him?

    I know from experience to avoid short and bitter men like Putin. They eventually disappoint everyone and that includes their biggest defenders. They have an unchangeable hatred of the world and everyone in it. In fact such bitter men are normally contemptuous of their own defenders. They view them as weak sycophants.

    Former Putin fan and DPR leader Igor Girkin has stated that Donbas separatism was never a popular movement and only occurred because of Russian backing. Of course we won’t hear much from Girkin at this point. Putin has him in a cage.

    But you for some reason seem to think it is a good idea to keep defending the rodent king and his endless lies.

    How would they handle Finland if they are now in NATO?

    Lost business and economics. For details, get a map and a calculator. Over time Finland will become friendly again, they are not stupid, they like to make money.

    You are suggesting that Russia won’t sell them oil if they are in NATO?

    Russia is currently selling NATO countries oil at NATO defined prices.

    Or are you talking about another export like beets or ????? Russia is a gas station. No one wants Russian cars or even bicycles. Their military exports are about to drop while US Himars is backordered for over 10 years. Putin is a dream come true for US military companies. Way to go dwarf.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Sean
    @John Johnson


    I know from experience to avoid short and bitter men like Putin
     
    Hitler was not short, if of the same generation he'd tower over Zelensky. Hitler ended bitter (all political lives end in failure because that is the nature of politics and life), but his secret in his prime (Ernst Hanfstaengl said that no one who heard him speak after he achieved power could have any idea of his gifts), was tremendous optimism and a conviction that his way was healthy and natural and must trumuph over what he saw as warped ideologies.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Sean
    @John Johnson


    Russia is a gas station
     
    Yes, like the one in "Wrong Turn', or the one in "The Hills Have Eyes; the ones that have attendants who try to tell the idiot travelers to turn back. Put it another way, only a fool would act as if Russia was harmless after it gave unmistakable evidence of lacking all restraint in the use of force, Ukraine by 2021 surely ought to have known what to expect.
    , @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You restated your nonsense. Why? We know that you hate Russians and will deny the nose between your eyes about Nato. Maybe follow John Mearsheimer, he is easy to find. You know that admitting Nato was moving to Ukraine fatally weakens your arguments so you lie about it. It won't change anything.


    Russia is currently selling NATO countries oil at NATO defined prices
     
    They are selling it at market prices and also the LNG gas - the buyers are lining up and pay, mostly in EU. Some directly, others through intermediaries.

    Finland used to export to Russia and get most of its raw materials at very low prices - it is built into the geography, get a map. Many Finnish firms made most of their profits that way and closing itself off from Russia hurts the Finnish economy. They will pay more and sell less, they are not exactly able to reorient.

    Every Finnish businessmen knows it - why don't you? Being in Nato does nothing: Finland had peaceful relations with Russia since it lost war to them in 1945. Now they are a primary preventive target in any war and lose business - the cocain-smoking floozie really screwed them, didn't she?

    Replies: @John Johnson

  92. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    but Germany has no direct border with Ukraine
     
    The EU has though. Sure, I guess you could make an argument that Belarus is now essentially a Russian satellite state and we can live with it, so what if Putin had reduced Ukraine to the same status in a "police action" according to the old Warsaw pact playbook (as he probably imagined when he gave the order for the invasion in February 2022). But there probably would have been a lot of negative repercussions.
    Of course the end result of what has actually happened might be even worse. Given the recent string of critical articles in fairly mainstream media and Arestovych's utterances it looks like Ukraine's situation might be fairly precarious. Maybe even a sudden collapse is possible. And who knows what will happen then. There would certainly be calls for direct NATO intervention from the usual suspects. Which might not be likely. But a victorious Russia with a battle-hardened army on NATO's borders isn't that appealing a prospect in any case (even if I think all these claims "Putin is going to invade the Baltics or Poland next" are just propaganda).

    In fact, the big conflicts began when the pro-western forces finally gained the upper hand in Kiev.
     
    Sure, it was a disastrous idea to attempt removing all Russian influence from Ukraine. The very idea of integrating Ukraine into an anti-Russian alliance was total madness.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Sean

    Arestovych’s utterances

    The key to understanding what is going on is not political or psychological but practical military science; Valery Zaluzhny’s recent piece in which he says the technology has got beyond the standard military doctrine of mobile warfare in all armies, because surveillance can see everything the opponent does and target them in real time. In addition minefields can be laid and re-laid from the drones and artillery cutting off any breakthrough. Swift advances will remain impossible until some new technology gives the offence its edge back. And–rely on it–you will have a long wait for that.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  93. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    You repeat desperate nonsense about Nato, but you know what was going on. If you choose to lie to yourself or to others, that’s your issue. It doesn’t change anything.

    Everyone can see that you are unable to answer very basic questions about NATO. It's pretty much expected at this point. You make a statement about NATO or Ukraine and then change then subject when asked to elaborate.

    Zelko run on a pro-peace platform and then betrayed people who voted for him – it is not so hard to understand.

    Well then explain it for us since Zelensky was elected in 2019 and never initiated the NATO application process.

    Do tell what he did in that short period to betray his people.

    You clearly spent too much time in a pro-Putin bubble and didn't realize that most of the pro-Putin bloggers are just plain full of shit. That is what happens when you try to defend the credibility of a mass murdering dwarf who lied to the UN about it being a "training exercise" and swore that he would never invade. He also pledged that DPR/LPR would become Republics which never happened. Putin recently claimed that his Jewish chef turned private warlord died after getting high on cocaine and playing with hand grenades. Do you believe him?

    I know from experience to avoid short and bitter men like Putin. They eventually disappoint everyone and that includes their biggest defenders. They have an unchangeable hatred of the world and everyone in it. In fact such bitter men are normally contemptuous of their own defenders. They view them as weak sycophants.

    Former Putin fan and DPR leader Igor Girkin has stated that Donbas separatism was never a popular movement and only occurred because of Russian backing. Of course we won't hear much from Girkin at this point. Putin has him in a cage.

    But you for some reason seem to think it is a good idea to keep defending the rodent king and his endless lies.


    How would they handle Finland if they are now in NATO?
     
    Lost business and economics. For details, get a map and a calculator. Over time Finland will become friendly again, they are not stupid, they like to make money.

    You are suggesting that Russia won't sell them oil if they are in NATO?

    Russia is currently selling NATO countries oil at NATO defined prices.

    Or are you talking about another export like beets or ????? Russia is a gas station. No one wants Russian cars or even bicycles. Their military exports are about to drop while US Himars is backordered for over 10 years. Putin is a dream come true for US military companies. Way to go dwarf.

    Replies: @Sean, @Sean, @Beckow

    I know from experience to avoid short and bitter men like Putin

    Hitler was not short, if of the same generation he’d tower over Zelensky. Hitler ended bitter (all political lives end in failure because that is the nature of politics and life), but his secret in his prime (Ernst Hanfstaengl said that no one who heard him speak after he achieved power could have any idea of his gifts), was tremendous optimism and a conviction that his way was healthy and natural and must trumuph over what he saw as warped ideologies.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Sean


    I know from experience to avoid short and bitter men like Putin
     
    Hitler was not short, if of the same generation he’d tower over Zelensky.

    You are saying that since Hitler wasn't short I should ignore the pattern.

    Note that I said short and bitter men. Putin has the bitter incel vibe when he does an interview. He can't help it. His own biographer said he is stuck in the stage when he was bullied as a child. It perfectly fits his personality. He is still angry over being bullied and wants to "one up" everyone. That is short man syndrome.

    But in general I do avoid personal relations with short men. Zelensky doesn't have the bitter vibe and I've known short guys that were quite likable by both men and women. But unfortunately in America we have a lot of very bitter men at the moment. It's just not worth the risk. I live well and I don't want issues with bitter men. To be clear I don't put all the blame on them. I am fully aware that White women can be harsh on them. Maybe not most but enough to where the pattern is there. I do think that most White women would date an average height felon over a 5'3 man (Putin's actual height). Is what it is. But the dating market is rather screwed up for everyone and I'm completely open to discussions on how it can be fixed. We are going to have more angry shooter incel types if something doesn't change.

    was tremendous optimism and a conviction that his way was healthy and natural and must trumuph over what he saw as warped ideologies

    Not a Hitler fan but I understand his disgust with the mainstream right/left of his time. The USSR under Lenin really did discuss invading Germany after WW1. That was only shelved after losing to Poland. It's entirely possible that Stalin planned on invading in the 40s. Germany had the devil at their door and the Con Incs of his time wanted to smoke cigars and talk business and Christianity instead of facing a very real threat. Quite familiar.

    Replies: @Sean

  94. @QCIC
    @Beckow

    Finland can be the first country to leave NATO (I think). Late in Phase II.

    "Finland in NATO: Last in, first out."
    "Easy come, easy go."

    These headlines write themselves. "She's cute, but not real bright." (Marin).

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Finland can be the first country to leave NATO (I think). Late in Phase II.

    “Finland in NATO: Last in, first out.”
    “Easy come, easy go.”

    So while Russia is violently suppressing any remaining resistance you believe Finland would leave NATO? Is that right? Why?

    What would prevent Russia from invading Finland on the basis that they can’t be allowed to ever join NATO again?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Finland's security with respect to Russia depends more on good relations with Russia than with NATO.

    I don't think Russia has any designs to take over Finland. I assume they don't want Finland to be used as a source of Western-sponsored problems for Russia. Finland could readily stay neutral and have decent relations with both sides.

    I assume after the West stirred up the mess in Ukraine it was easy to pressure the hawks in Finland to act. Once the West got some traction they probably told Finland you are either for us or against us, so pick a side. Once Finland eventually drops out of NATO, it will be interesting to learn if they have statesmen who are wise enough to institute a foreign policy of selfish neutrality without being pulled too far into the Russian orbit.

    The racial and cultural transformations happening in many of the European countries may drive holdouts like Finland, Poland and even Russia into a cultural alliance sooner rather than later.

    , @Derer
    @John Johnson

    You are so naive in believing that Finland joined NATO on their free will. You do not understand the Washington politburo methods of persuasion/coercion. That same politburo just "successfully" persuaded Ukrainian to join NATO.

    Replies: @WS, @John Johnson

  95. @Sean
    @John Johnson


    I know from experience to avoid short and bitter men like Putin
     
    Hitler was not short, if of the same generation he'd tower over Zelensky. Hitler ended bitter (all political lives end in failure because that is the nature of politics and life), but his secret in his prime (Ernst Hanfstaengl said that no one who heard him speak after he achieved power could have any idea of his gifts), was tremendous optimism and a conviction that his way was healthy and natural and must trumuph over what he saw as warped ideologies.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I know from experience to avoid short and bitter men like Putin

    Hitler was not short, if of the same generation he’d tower over Zelensky.

    You are saying that since Hitler wasn’t short I should ignore the pattern.

    Note that I said short and bitter men. Putin has the bitter incel vibe when he does an interview. He can’t help it. His own biographer said he is stuck in the stage when he was bullied as a child. It perfectly fits his personality. He is still angry over being bullied and wants to “one up” everyone. That is short man syndrome.

    But in general I do avoid personal relations with short men. Zelensky doesn’t have the bitter vibe and I’ve known short guys that were quite likable by both men and women. But unfortunately in America we have a lot of very bitter men at the moment. It’s just not worth the risk. I live well and I don’t want issues with bitter men. To be clear I don’t put all the blame on them. I am fully aware that White women can be harsh on them. Maybe not most but enough to where the pattern is there. I do think that most White women would date an average height felon over a 5’3 man (Putin’s actual height). Is what it is. But the dating market is rather screwed up for everyone and I’m completely open to discussions on how it can be fixed. We are going to have more angry shooter incel types if something doesn’t change.

    was tremendous optimism and a conviction that his way was healthy and natural and must trumuph over what he saw as warped ideologies

    Not a Hitler fan but I understand his disgust with the mainstream right/left of his time. The USSR under Lenin really did discuss invading Germany after WW1. That was only shelved after losing to Poland. It’s entirely possible that Stalin planned on invading in the 40s. Germany had the devil at their door and the Con Incs of his time wanted to smoke cigars and talk business and Christianity instead of facing a very real threat. Quite familiar.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @John Johnson


    His own biographer said he is stuck in the stage when he was bullied as a child
     
    It's just not true that dictators were bullied apart from Pol Pot. Stalin was physically aggressive despite being short with a withered arm. Mussolini wasnot tall but a very violent youth who stabbed someone . I doubt that Putin was bullied into his teen years because he was a notorious troublemaker in school ;Putin was quite a tough slum kid, he ran with the local juvenile thugs until gang's leader got jailed. Just becoming a member of the KGB was a noteworthy achievement for someone of his background.

    I do think that most White women would date an average height felon over a 5’3 man

     

    AOTBE (certainly does not apply to Putin with his status), but is that because of personality? Five foot three for a man nowadays in like 4'8'' for a woman.


    Even if completely pushed out of Ukraine, Russia can always just keep fighting from within their own borders. Disengaging from the hostilities will be Ukraine's greatest challenge. Assuming for the sake of argument that they lost in Ukraine. Russia would never sign a peace treaty, and Putin ceasing to be in charge of a defeated Russia will no more solve Ukraine's Russia problem that the Kaiser ceasing to rule a defeated Germany solved France's Germany problem

  96. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Trump does have an outside chance. The Be Powers are not a monolith. There are factions. If he does come out on top in the selection process he will be just as owned as Biden--it will just he a different Deep State faction that owns him. Only a demented megalomaniac could want the job.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Only a demented megalomaniac could want the job.

    We had two megalomaniacs in 2020. Both were (and still are) stupid, but only one was demented. Then again, as American joke puts it, “Biden was always so dumb, that when he got demented, his family didn’t even notice”.

  97. GR will likely be disappointed that thieves stole this “art exhibit” featuring a fully functional golden toilet that was called America, only two days after it was installed.

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    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
  98. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    You repeat desperate nonsense about Nato, but you know what was going on. If you choose to lie to yourself or to others, that’s your issue. It doesn’t change anything.

    Everyone can see that you are unable to answer very basic questions about NATO. It's pretty much expected at this point. You make a statement about NATO or Ukraine and then change then subject when asked to elaborate.

    Zelko run on a pro-peace platform and then betrayed people who voted for him – it is not so hard to understand.

    Well then explain it for us since Zelensky was elected in 2019 and never initiated the NATO application process.

    Do tell what he did in that short period to betray his people.

    You clearly spent too much time in a pro-Putin bubble and didn't realize that most of the pro-Putin bloggers are just plain full of shit. That is what happens when you try to defend the credibility of a mass murdering dwarf who lied to the UN about it being a "training exercise" and swore that he would never invade. He also pledged that DPR/LPR would become Republics which never happened. Putin recently claimed that his Jewish chef turned private warlord died after getting high on cocaine and playing with hand grenades. Do you believe him?

    I know from experience to avoid short and bitter men like Putin. They eventually disappoint everyone and that includes their biggest defenders. They have an unchangeable hatred of the world and everyone in it. In fact such bitter men are normally contemptuous of their own defenders. They view them as weak sycophants.

    Former Putin fan and DPR leader Igor Girkin has stated that Donbas separatism was never a popular movement and only occurred because of Russian backing. Of course we won't hear much from Girkin at this point. Putin has him in a cage.

    But you for some reason seem to think it is a good idea to keep defending the rodent king and his endless lies.


    How would they handle Finland if they are now in NATO?
     
    Lost business and economics. For details, get a map and a calculator. Over time Finland will become friendly again, they are not stupid, they like to make money.

    You are suggesting that Russia won't sell them oil if they are in NATO?

    Russia is currently selling NATO countries oil at NATO defined prices.

    Or are you talking about another export like beets or ????? Russia is a gas station. No one wants Russian cars or even bicycles. Their military exports are about to drop while US Himars is backordered for over 10 years. Putin is a dream come true for US military companies. Way to go dwarf.

    Replies: @Sean, @Sean, @Beckow

    Russia is a gas station

    Yes, like the one in “Wrong Turn’, or the one in “The Hills Have Eyes; the ones that have attendants who try to tell the idiot travelers to turn back. Put it another way, only a fool would act as if Russia was harmless after it gave unmistakable evidence of lacking all restraint in the use of force, Ukraine by 2021 surely ought to have known what to expect.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  99. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Finland can be the first country to leave NATO (I think). Late in Phase II.

    “Finland in NATO: Last in, first out.”
    “Easy come, easy go.”


    So while Russia is violently suppressing any remaining resistance you believe Finland would leave NATO? Is that right? Why?

    What would prevent Russia from invading Finland on the basis that they can't be allowed to ever join NATO again?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Derer

    Finland’s security with respect to Russia depends more on good relations with Russia than with NATO.

    I don’t think Russia has any designs to take over Finland. I assume they don’t want Finland to be used as a source of Western-sponsored problems for Russia. Finland could readily stay neutral and have decent relations with both sides.

    I assume after the West stirred up the mess in Ukraine it was easy to pressure the hawks in Finland to act. Once the West got some traction they probably told Finland you are either for us or against us, so pick a side. Once Finland eventually drops out of NATO, it will be interesting to learn if they have statesmen who are wise enough to institute a foreign policy of selfish neutrality without being pulled too far into the Russian orbit.

    The racial and cultural transformations happening in many of the European countries may drive holdouts like Finland, Poland and even Russia into a cultural alliance sooner rather than later.

  100. @John Johnson
    @Sean


    I know from experience to avoid short and bitter men like Putin
     
    Hitler was not short, if of the same generation he’d tower over Zelensky.

    You are saying that since Hitler wasn't short I should ignore the pattern.

    Note that I said short and bitter men. Putin has the bitter incel vibe when he does an interview. He can't help it. His own biographer said he is stuck in the stage when he was bullied as a child. It perfectly fits his personality. He is still angry over being bullied and wants to "one up" everyone. That is short man syndrome.

    But in general I do avoid personal relations with short men. Zelensky doesn't have the bitter vibe and I've known short guys that were quite likable by both men and women. But unfortunately in America we have a lot of very bitter men at the moment. It's just not worth the risk. I live well and I don't want issues with bitter men. To be clear I don't put all the blame on them. I am fully aware that White women can be harsh on them. Maybe not most but enough to where the pattern is there. I do think that most White women would date an average height felon over a 5'3 man (Putin's actual height). Is what it is. But the dating market is rather screwed up for everyone and I'm completely open to discussions on how it can be fixed. We are going to have more angry shooter incel types if something doesn't change.

    was tremendous optimism and a conviction that his way was healthy and natural and must trumuph over what he saw as warped ideologies

    Not a Hitler fan but I understand his disgust with the mainstream right/left of his time. The USSR under Lenin really did discuss invading Germany after WW1. That was only shelved after losing to Poland. It's entirely possible that Stalin planned on invading in the 40s. Germany had the devil at their door and the Con Incs of his time wanted to smoke cigars and talk business and Christianity instead of facing a very real threat. Quite familiar.

    Replies: @Sean

    His own biographer said he is stuck in the stage when he was bullied as a child

    It’s just not true that dictators were bullied apart from Pol Pot. Stalin was physically aggressive despite being short with a withered arm. Mussolini wasnot tall but a very violent youth who stabbed someone . I doubt that Putin was bullied into his teen years because he was a notorious troublemaker in school ;Putin was quite a tough slum kid, he ran with the local juvenile thugs until gang’s leader got jailed. Just becoming a member of the KGB was a noteworthy achievement for someone of his background.

    I do think that most White women would date an average height felon over a 5’3 man

    AOTBE (certainly does not apply to Putin with his status), but is that because of personality? Five foot three for a man nowadays in like 4’8” for a woman.

    Even if completely pushed out of Ukraine, Russia can always just keep fighting from within their own borders. Disengaging from the hostilities will be Ukraine’s greatest challenge. Assuming for the sake of argument that they lost in Ukraine. Russia would never sign a peace treaty, and Putin ceasing to be in charge of a defeated Russia will no more solve Ukraine’s Russia problem that the Kaiser ceasing to rule a defeated Germany solved France’s Germany problem

  101. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    I guess things in Europe have not changed nearly as much
     
    In Germany Israel/Palestine is definitely the dominant topic now that has displaced everything else, including Ukraine. And there is very little nuance here either. The entire establishment is trying to outdo each other in "solidarity" with Israel and crying crocodile's tears about anti-Israel demonstrations by jihad-minded Muslims (wow, what a surprise, who could have known that people from the Mideast have such views...). The more extreme "liberal-conservatives" make approving comparisons with the allied bombing campaign in WW2 (just as that was necessary back then, so flattening Gaza is necessary now, not just to prevent more terror attacks and rescue hostages, but to lay the basis for re-educating Palestinians and curing them of antisemitism). Have even seen the old "Jordan should be the Palestinian state" line in a fairly mainstream publication.
    I find it extremely tiresome, even more so than Ukraine. At least Ukraine and the relations with Russia are important issues for the entire European security order, and I find the entire conflict depressing and tragic. Whereas if I'm honest with Israelis and Palestinians it's more like pity they both can't lose.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Barbarossa, @Beckow

    Interesting that the public discourse in Germany is also so pro-Israel. Perhaps the historical guilt issue must be playing a role. I think that in the rest of Western Europe the Palestinians get plenty of public support but only as the victims of a quasi-colonial situation and the ones who always put the brunt of the civilian casualties. It’s seldom an unrestricted support though, they started using terrorist tactics very early on (the Munich massacre, etc) and never made themselves too appealing to Western eyes. In fact, support for Israel is common among European right wingers who regard Palestinians as too alien civilizationally. But I guess most Europeans share your lack of sympathy for any of both sides.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mikel

    Within the West, the right-left support choice for Israel or Palestine is not so unpredictable or mysterious.

    A wealthy, very developed, Western "first world" country, fights using modern technology against non-Western Jihadist "resistance" with Kalashnikovs.

    In the Lenin/Star wars categories, "bourgeois imperialism" vs romantic partisans.

    So, the support and the opposition groups in the West, are similar as for conflicts like the 2003 Iraq war between the USA vs Iraq or USA vs North Vietnam.

    Left-wing and postcolonialist people are supporting Palestine (anti-government people, university students/academics, educated people, Muslim immigrants, LGBT groups, BLM, countries like Sweden and Ireland, people with "conspiracy theories"), while "pro-West" and center-right politically people support more on average Israel.

    -

    Although with some overlapping, Ukraine vs Russia had a bit different mix of the support and opposition in the West.

    Ukraine was seen as a weak country, fighting the strong country Russia. Ukraine was viewed as the romantic partisans fighting against the Russian imperialism. Both Russia and Ukraine are non-Western, second world countries. But Ukraine signals that it wants to join the West.

    So, a lot of the left-wing* in the West supports Ukraine, because they always want to support the weaker side against the stronger side. Also some of the right-wing, pro-Western people support Ukraine, because Ukraine since Euromaidan signals it wants to join the West.*

    But far-right and far-left both support Russia against Ukraine.**

    Also because Russia against Ukraine, it is two white countries fighting each other, a lot of the postcolonial people feel it was distracting against their objective. While the Israel vs Palestine conflict can return to the "anti-colonial theme" and returns to the earlier 2020s culture war of BLM etc.


    -
    *Including LGBT groups support Ukraine. These groups also support Palestine against Israel. Even although Israel is full of LGBT flags and people with purple hair, while Ukraine is conservative in relation to LGBT. Also Russia would be viewed as an LGBT paradise in relation to Palestine.

    **Politically far-right and far-left Western people also are likely almost all supporting Palestine against Israel.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    , @German_reader
    @Mikel

    Earlier this evening I came out of the railway station in my shithole city and outside there was one of those digital advertising columns (hope that's the right word, not sure), featuring this official announcement from the Bundestag:


    The German Bundestag
    Solidarity with Israel
    The German Bundestag stands firmly and determinedly on the side of Israel and her people
     
    Just ridiculous.

    In fact, support for Israel is common among European right wingers who regard Palestinians as too alien civilizationally.
     
    They are idiots. I can't say I like Palestinians on a personal level, and yes, their nihilistic terroristic tactics have always been pretty repellent. But Israel is still in the wrong with its occupation and colonization policies. There is nothing to be gained by supporting expansionist Zionism either, diaspora Jews will still keep pushing their anti-nationalist bs for everybody else, and if one's unlucky one will be dragged into a catastrophic Mideast war. Really have nothing but contempt for those pro-Israel right-wingers and their bloodthirsty fantasies.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Greasy William
    @Mikel

    The dirty secret of the Israeli Arab conflict is that, for all the murderous passion it generates, the overwhelming majority of humanity really doesn't care either way. One side could literally genocide the other and I seriously think that 90% of all people in the world (outside of Jews and Arabs/Muslims, I mean) wouldn't give a shit.

    Replies: @Mikel

  102. @German_reader
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Only when it became apparent that negotiations were just a delaying tactic while Ukr forces were trained and armed did Russia move.
     
    That was essentially the point I wanted to make. Of course we can't know exactly what caused Putin's decision for the invasion, but something must have changed in 2021. The strategic partnership agreement between the US and Ukraine in September 2021 was probably an important factor, as was the evident inability or unwillingness of Germany and France to put pressure on Ukraine regarding the Minsk agreements.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ

    What changed was that Ukraine’s economy kept improving as it was integrating with Europe, and pro-Russian Medvedchuk had his media empire taken away, and the Russian language was getting phased out. The first fact meant that Ukraine would not be forced to crawl back to Russia out of economic desperation and the second meant cultural estrangement. Essentially, Ukraine would be lost to Russia permanently. The hope of it one day following Belarus was receding.

    Only a military intervention could (hopefully) change this.

    NATO membership was not realistically viable, but it it were to have happened the result would not be an attack on Russia (no one is even attacking annoying North Korea) but permanent end to hopes of invading Ukraine.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    and pro-Russian Medvedchuk had his media empire taken away,
     
    This specifically I think could have been criticized, but could have still been viewed as defensible for the very same reason that Britain censoring pro-Nazi speech during WWII is viewed as defensible. Russia was already in a low-level war with Ukraine in 2021. One could, of course, question whether the pre-February 2022 situation (unlike the post-February 2022 situation) was sufficient to justify taking away Medvedchuk's media empire, of course. Between 1939 and 1945, Britain was in a full state of war with Germany, not simply in a state of low-level undeclared war.
  103. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    I guess things in Europe have not changed nearly as much
     
    In Germany Israel/Palestine is definitely the dominant topic now that has displaced everything else, including Ukraine. And there is very little nuance here either. The entire establishment is trying to outdo each other in "solidarity" with Israel and crying crocodile's tears about anti-Israel demonstrations by jihad-minded Muslims (wow, what a surprise, who could have known that people from the Mideast have such views...). The more extreme "liberal-conservatives" make approving comparisons with the allied bombing campaign in WW2 (just as that was necessary back then, so flattening Gaza is necessary now, not just to prevent more terror attacks and rescue hostages, but to lay the basis for re-educating Palestinians and curing them of antisemitism). Have even seen the old "Jordan should be the Palestinian state" line in a fairly mainstream publication.
    I find it extremely tiresome, even more so than Ukraine. At least Ukraine and the relations with Russia are important issues for the entire European security order, and I find the entire conflict depressing and tragic. Whereas if I'm honest with Israelis and Palestinians it's more like pity they both can't lose.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Barbarossa, @Beckow

    German politicians making self-flagellating approving statements about Allied bombing is painfully stupid.
    Prompted by Emil Nikola Richard’s post on the proposed “Bat Bomb” I was discussing the civilian toll of Allied bombing of Germany and Japan with my wife. She was mentioning a book which mentioned the sinking of the civilian loaded Wilhem Gustloff, which was I believe the worst maritime disaster in history.
    The disregard for civilians in WW2 by the Allies was horrific and any honest accounting of the history would recognize that there truly were no good guys.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Barbarossa

    My grandparents survived the Western bombing of German cities. In Munich they avoided hitting factories and targeted residential quarters.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Barbarossa


    She was mentioning a book which mentioned the sinking of the civilian loaded Wilhem Gustloff, which was I believe the worst maritime disaster in history.
     
    Quite interesting that Wilhelm Gustloff the ship fared as badly as Wilhelm Gustloff the man.

    BTW, the Jewish killer of Wilhelm Gustloff the man was able to survive the Holocaust by spending WWII in a Swiss prison. Lucky him!
    , @German_reader
    @Barbarossa


    She was mentioning a book which mentioned the sinking of the civilian loaded Wilhem Gustloff, which was I believe the worst maritime disaster in history.
     
    There were others in WW2 which were somewhat similar:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Lancastria
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_hospital_ship_Armenia

    Anyway, I normally don't even think there's much point to re-litigating something like the allied bombing offensive in WW2. But there's something profoundly warped about those militant Westerners who always believe they're re-fighting WW2 and get off on rather extreme fantasies about cathartic violence and collective punishment. It's a type that seems to have proliferated in Germany in recent years, strange phenomenon.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @AnonfromTN

  104. @Barbarossa
    @German_reader

    German politicians making self-flagellating approving statements about Allied bombing is painfully stupid.
    Prompted by Emil Nikola Richard's post on the proposed "Bat Bomb" I was discussing the civilian toll of Allied bombing of Germany and Japan with my wife. She was mentioning a book which mentioned the sinking of the civilian loaded Wilhem Gustloff, which was I believe the worst maritime disaster in history.
    The disregard for civilians in WW2 by the Allies was horrific and any honest accounting of the history would recognize that there truly were no good guys.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ, @German_reader

    My grandparents survived the Western bombing of German cities. In Munich they avoided hitting factories and targeted residential quarters.

  105. Just stopped by to see if anything has changed on these threads, and nope it hasn’t. One obvious paid shill putting in a lot of hours and effort to monopolize the whole thread, as usual. Hope the money is worth it.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    I would imagine that UNZ would be the cushy sinecure of the paid online troll world, right? Wide latitude, long form discourse trollery at its finest. A place where the paid troll can really hone his craft at a leisurely pace.

    Imagine getting assigned to the Breitbart comments section or some similar hell-hole.

  106. @Mikel
    @German_reader

    Interesting that the public discourse in Germany is also so pro-Israel. Perhaps the historical guilt issue must be playing a role. I think that in the rest of Western Europe the Palestinians get plenty of public support but only as the victims of a quasi-colonial situation and the ones who always put the brunt of the civilian casualties. It's seldom an unrestricted support though, they started using terrorist tactics very early on (the Munich massacre, etc) and never made themselves too appealing to Western eyes. In fact, support for Israel is common among European right wingers who regard Palestinians as too alien civilizationally. But I guess most Europeans share your lack of sympathy for any of both sides.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @German_reader, @Greasy William

    Within the West, the right-left support choice for Israel or Palestine is not so unpredictable or mysterious.

    A wealthy, very developed, Western “first world” country, fights using modern technology against non-Western Jihadist “resistance” with Kalashnikovs.

    In the Lenin/Star wars categories, “bourgeois imperialism” vs romantic partisans.

    So, the support and the opposition groups in the West, are similar as for conflicts like the 2003 Iraq war between the USA vs Iraq or USA vs North Vietnam.

    Left-wing and postcolonialist people are supporting Palestine (anti-government people, university students/academics, educated people, Muslim immigrants, LGBT groups, BLM, countries like Sweden and Ireland, people with “conspiracy theories”), while “pro-West” and center-right politically people support more on average Israel.

    Although with some overlapping, Ukraine vs Russia had a bit different mix of the support and opposition in the West.

    Ukraine was seen as a weak country, fighting the strong country Russia. Ukraine was viewed as the romantic partisans fighting against the Russian imperialism. Both Russia and Ukraine are non-Western, second world countries. But Ukraine signals that it wants to join the West.

    So, a lot of the left-wing* in the West supports Ukraine, because they always want to support the weaker side against the stronger side. Also some of the right-wing, pro-Western people support Ukraine, because Ukraine since Euromaidan signals it wants to join the West.*

    But far-right and far-left both support Russia against Ukraine.**

    Also because Russia against Ukraine, it is two white countries fighting each other, a lot of the postcolonial people feel it was distracting against their objective. While the Israel vs Palestine conflict can return to the “anti-colonial theme” and returns to the earlier 2020s culture war of BLM etc.


    *Including LGBT groups support Ukraine. These groups also support Palestine against Israel. Even although Israel is full of LGBT flags and people with purple hair, while Ukraine is conservative in relation to LGBT. Also Russia would be viewed as an LGBT paradise in relation to Palestine.

    **Politically far-right and far-left Western people also are likely almost all supporting Palestine against Israel.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry


    Also because Russia against Ukraine, it is two white countries fighting each other, a lot of the postcolonial people feel it was distracting against their objective. While the Israel vs Palestine conflict can return to the “anti-colonial theme” and fits with the earlier culture war of BLM etc.
     
    White nations can also be victims of imperialism. Eastern Europe is full of such white nations.

    *Including LGBT groups support Ukraine. These groups also support Palestine against Israel. Even although Israel is full of LGBT flags and people with purple hair, while Ukraine is conservative in relation to LGBT. Also Russia would be viewed as an LGBT paradise in relation to Palestine.
     
    Ukraine, while conservative on LGBTQ+ issues by Western standards, is more progressive on such issues than Russia is. Russia's aggression against Ukraine has actually helped pave the way for more LGBTQ+ acceptance among Ukrainians, who view LGBTQ+ hate as a symbol of predatory Russian imperialism and thus as something that Ukraine should strive to distance itself from:

    https://time.com/6273445/putin-lgbt-rights-ukraine-russia/

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/04/16/ukraine-russia-war-putin-homophobia-lgbtq-rights-military-civil-unions/

    https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/2023-10-01/ty-article-magazine/.premium/if-putin-hates-gays-were-all-for-them-russias-war-changes-lives-of-ukrainian-lgbtq/0000018a-dcb1-d476-abcf-fef38cb80000

    And Yes, being gay in Palestine would be worst of all out of all of these countries.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    , @Mikel
    @Dmitry

    What you are describing is general guidelines for the distribution of sympathies towards both sides of the Israel/Arab conflict in Western Europe (not sure about EE). But one shouldn't confuse general sympathy or proclivity with actual support for any one side. My experience with many people of different Western European countries is that very few people feel the need to side with one or the other.

    As G_R said, it's a tedious issue that has been there forever in everyone's lifetimes and it's difficult to feel that anyone can do much about it or even say anything new about it. Israel is generally seen as much closer socially to us so it could potentially get much more support but, on the one hand, there is the very heavy-handed tactics that they always use and on the other hand, the religious thing that, to some extent or the other, leads Israelis to have further expansionists tendencies is also perceived as alienating.

    The only more or less novel thing that I could say is that here in the US the MSM drive to support Israel unconditionally is much stronger than in Western Europe (with the apparent exception of Germany) and there is also a very important religious component that is absent in Europe. Mormons seem to be as supportive of Israel as evangelicals, which is not surprising considering the central role that Israel plays in their sacred books. Utah is full of Jewish toponyms everywhere: Nephi, Lehi, Zion, Moab, Nebo, Kanab,... People around me who didn't express much interest in the Ukraine war have put up US-Israel flags on their front yards.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry

  107. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    There won't be a Trump blowout.

    If he somehow doesn't catch a felony the Democrats will run someone else. In that scenario he would lose swing states.

    The Democrats are just being nice to Biden since he is in office and two wars are going on.

    He will be wheeled away at the right moment.

    Wasn’t Obama also behind Romney by several points at this point in time in 2011? And yet Obama beat Romney by four points in the popular vote in (November) 2012 and got a comfortable electoral college victory to boot.

    The Democrat is normally projected to win unless the Republican can take swing voters.

    Independents currently hate Trump but view Biden as unfit for office.

    Trump should quit so his MAGA cult will give up and rally around a candidate that beat Biden or a moderate Democrat.

    But most likely scenario is that Trump gets a felony and loses even more independents. He is facing 91 charges and it is possible that he could do prison time. The documents case is pretty damning because he is on tape asking someone to help cover it up.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    He will be wheeled away at the right moment.

    Not if Trump gets a felony. Then Biden would be delighted to have a rematch with him.

  108. @Dmitry
    @Mikel

    Within the West, the right-left support choice for Israel or Palestine is not so unpredictable or mysterious.

    A wealthy, very developed, Western "first world" country, fights using modern technology against non-Western Jihadist "resistance" with Kalashnikovs.

    In the Lenin/Star wars categories, "bourgeois imperialism" vs romantic partisans.

    So, the support and the opposition groups in the West, are similar as for conflicts like the 2003 Iraq war between the USA vs Iraq or USA vs North Vietnam.

    Left-wing and postcolonialist people are supporting Palestine (anti-government people, university students/academics, educated people, Muslim immigrants, LGBT groups, BLM, countries like Sweden and Ireland, people with "conspiracy theories"), while "pro-West" and center-right politically people support more on average Israel.

    -

    Although with some overlapping, Ukraine vs Russia had a bit different mix of the support and opposition in the West.

    Ukraine was seen as a weak country, fighting the strong country Russia. Ukraine was viewed as the romantic partisans fighting against the Russian imperialism. Both Russia and Ukraine are non-Western, second world countries. But Ukraine signals that it wants to join the West.

    So, a lot of the left-wing* in the West supports Ukraine, because they always want to support the weaker side against the stronger side. Also some of the right-wing, pro-Western people support Ukraine, because Ukraine since Euromaidan signals it wants to join the West.*

    But far-right and far-left both support Russia against Ukraine.**

    Also because Russia against Ukraine, it is two white countries fighting each other, a lot of the postcolonial people feel it was distracting against their objective. While the Israel vs Palestine conflict can return to the "anti-colonial theme" and returns to the earlier 2020s culture war of BLM etc.


    -
    *Including LGBT groups support Ukraine. These groups also support Palestine against Israel. Even although Israel is full of LGBT flags and people with purple hair, while Ukraine is conservative in relation to LGBT. Also Russia would be viewed as an LGBT paradise in relation to Palestine.

    **Politically far-right and far-left Western people also are likely almost all supporting Palestine against Israel.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    Also because Russia against Ukraine, it is two white countries fighting each other, a lot of the postcolonial people feel it was distracting against their objective. While the Israel vs Palestine conflict can return to the “anti-colonial theme” and fits with the earlier culture war of BLM etc.

    White nations can also be victims of imperialism. Eastern Europe is full of such white nations.

    *Including LGBT groups support Ukraine. These groups also support Palestine against Israel. Even although Israel is full of LGBT flags and people with purple hair, while Ukraine is conservative in relation to LGBT. Also Russia would be viewed as an LGBT paradise in relation to Palestine.

    Ukraine, while conservative on LGBTQ+ issues by Western standards, is more progressive on such issues than Russia is. Russia’s aggression against Ukraine has actually helped pave the way for more LGBTQ+ acceptance among Ukrainians, who view LGBTQ+ hate as a symbol of predatory Russian imperialism and thus as something that Ukraine should strive to distance itself from:

    https://time.com/6273445/putin-lgbt-rights-ukraine-russia/

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/04/16/ukraine-russia-war-putin-homophobia-lgbtq-rights-military-civil-unions/

    https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/2023-10-01/ty-article-magazine/.premium/if-putin-hates-gays-were-all-for-them-russias-war-changes-lives-of-ukrainian-lgbtq/0000018a-dcb1-d476-abcf-fef38cb80000

    And Yes, being gay in Palestine would be worst of all out of all of these countries.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Mr. XYZ


    White nations can also be victims of imperialism. Eastern Europe is full of such white nations.
     
    At the moment it doesn't seem to work like that, at least in the Anglosphere. Probably it is because American culture defines who is and isn't white at the moment, in terms of the term being politically meaningful. And the criteria seems to be if a person was in the US, would they be considered white or not?

    People in Eastern/Central Europe who have duskier complexions or maybe look more central Asian might be able to avoid it, if they could be placed in the Latino or Asian by looks category in the US.

    Replies: @AP

  109. @German_reader
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Only when it became apparent that negotiations were just a delaying tactic while Ukr forces were trained and armed did Russia move.
     
    That was essentially the point I wanted to make. Of course we can't know exactly what caused Putin's decision for the invasion, but something must have changed in 2021. The strategic partnership agreement between the US and Ukraine in September 2021 was probably an important factor, as was the evident inability or unwillingness of Germany and France to put pressure on Ukraine regarding the Minsk agreements.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ

    as was the evident inability or unwillingness of Germany and France to put pressure on Ukraine regarding the Minsk agreements.

    Why exactly should Ukraine have ever given up its EU aspirations, even though they were a long way away from joining the EU before the Russian invasion of their country? What exactly would have been the point of Ukraine seceding from the USSR and going through all of that suffering in the 1990s and beyond if it couldn’t even eventually join the EU?

  110. @Mikel
    @German_reader


    There would certainly be calls for direct NATO intervention from the usual suspects.
     
    I don't think those calls would be listened to. I don't know what's happened exactly, I guess there is a lot I still need to learn about my new country, but Ukraine is pretty much forgotten and has almost become a toxic, divisive issue politically.

    Conservative political commentators in the US are totally in overdrive about support for Israel. The lack of nuance is astonishing and hard to believe. I doubt Israelis themselves are so unanimous on their support for the war in Gaza. This morning I was listening to one of these commentators on the radio, not sure who it was, who accused people who oppose the Gaza bombings of being "anti-Semitic", a view held by everyone in the studio with him. But at some point he managed to tie in the humanitarian aid to Gaza, that he thinks is used by Hamas in malicious ways, with the aid that the US is sending to Ukraine, also being pillaged according to him.

    When it comes to foreign matters, the level of the public discourse in the US is quite low. It's typically an all-or-nothing approach. I don't doubt there's still a lot of Ukraine hawks in DC but their influence is clearly on the wane, with many conservatives having decided to ditch Ukraine. The fact that Biden hasn't managed to get Congress funding for Ukraine for months and that last time Zelensky visited Washington he wasn't invited to Congress (even though McCarthy was still speaker) speaks for itself.

    I guess things in Europe have not changed nearly as much but this is the reality in the US right now, that cannot be ignored. I guess Zelensky was right that the Gaza war is very bad news for Ukraine. However, I don't think the Russians are capable of making Ukraine collapse, as their difficulties in Avdiivka show. And one shouldn't forget that they failed to take Kiev, Chenihiv and Sumy when Ukraine had only received minimal help from the West.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @Dmitry

    I’m sure public opinion is important if Biden wants some kind of crazy high funding to Ukraine, like the new $60 billion funding to Ukraine he wants, after the $75 billion they have given to Ukraine.

    But for the general alliance, the geopolitical alignments of USA to Ukraine is probably becoming more significant than partisan politics. So, some extent of American support to Ukraine could become independent of public views.

    There’s now beginning some new almost Cold War blocs. After around autumn 2022, Russia becomes dependent in terms of military equipment to Iran and North Korea.

    So, there is now three of the main unfriendly countries for America becoming like a Cold War bloc “Russia-Iran-North Korea”. If they just add Cuba and Venezuela.

    Ukraine is now on the American side of the blocs, even if Ukraine would be unpopular with the public in America this geopolitical alignment is probably not changing until at least Putin retires.*

    If you remember the effect of the blocs in America’s 20th century Cold War policy in Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Nicaragua. For example the Washington DC supports the Contras in Nicaragua because of the geopolitics, not because of “pro-Contras” opinion in the American population.

    *Putin will be President until at least 2030.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry


    Ukraine is now on the American side of the blocs, even if Ukraine would be unpopular with the public in America this geopolitical alignment is probably not changing until at least Putin retires.*

     

    The best way for Russia to get itself back in the West's and specifically the US's good graces is to withdraw from all of Ukraine, including from Crimea, and to take a hardline anti-China stance (which carries its own risks for Russia, of course).

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @A123
    @Dmitry


    So, there is now three of the main unfriendly countries for America becoming like a Cold War bloc “Russia-Iran-North Korea”. If they just add Cuba and Venezuela.

    Ukraine is now on the American side of the blocs, even if Ukraine would be unpopular with the public in America this geopolitical alignment is probably not changing until at least Putin retires.
     
    It is hard to see that as a coherent "bloc". A better analogy is ships sailing the same direction. They may temporarily form a "convoy", but it does not indicate a durable structure.

    Among the reasons why the Populist center is ending support for Ukraine -- Backing Kiev is a strategic error that forces Russia closer to genuine anti-American figures like Khamenei. Ending the fight in Ukraine by creating new borders along current lines will help rebuild the relationship between Christian America and Christian Russia.

    Far-left Globalists, including NeoConDemocrats, want to keep the cold war mentality going. Reasons for this include:

    • They still believe the debunked "Russia, Russia, Russia" myth.
    • They love of MegaCorporations and thus the MIC.
    • They believe Russia is too white.

    That last one is particularly puzzling, but it really is in circulation. I suspect that it is actually a coded dog whistle message that Russia is too Christian.
    ____

    I again point out that "The West" is not particularly meaningful terminology.

    ♦ The U.S. led Judeo-Christian Populist West is headed one direction. This will become more clear in Trump's 2nd term.
    ♦ The Brussels/Paris/Berlin led Islamophile Globalist West is headed 180° the other.

    Every time "The West" is used as a phrase it begs the question, "Which West"?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. Hack, @sudden death

  111. @AP
    @German_reader

    What changed was that Ukraine's economy kept improving as it was integrating with Europe, and pro-Russian Medvedchuk had his media empire taken away, and the Russian language was getting phased out. The first fact meant that Ukraine would not be forced to crawl back to Russia out of economic desperation and the second meant cultural estrangement. Essentially, Ukraine would be lost to Russia permanently. The hope of it one day following Belarus was receding.

    Only a military intervention could (hopefully) change this.

    NATO membership was not realistically viable, but it it were to have happened the result would not be an attack on Russia (no one is even attacking annoying North Korea) but permanent end to hopes of invading Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    and pro-Russian Medvedchuk had his media empire taken away,

    This specifically I think could have been criticized, but could have still been viewed as defensible for the very same reason that Britain censoring pro-Nazi speech during WWII is viewed as defensible. Russia was already in a low-level war with Ukraine in 2021. One could, of course, question whether the pre-February 2022 situation (unlike the post-February 2022 situation) was sufficient to justify taking away Medvedchuk’s media empire, of course. Between 1939 and 1945, Britain was in a full state of war with Germany, not simply in a state of low-level undeclared war.

    • LOL: Mikhail
  112. @Dmitry
    @Mikel

    I'm sure public opinion is important if Biden wants some kind of crazy high funding to Ukraine, like the new $60 billion funding to Ukraine he wants, after the $75 billion they have given to Ukraine.

    But for the general alliance, the geopolitical alignments of USA to Ukraine is probably becoming more significant than partisan politics. So, some extent of American support to Ukraine could become independent of public views.

    There's now beginning some new almost Cold War blocs. After around autumn 2022, Russia becomes dependent in terms of military equipment to Iran and North Korea.

    So, there is now three of the main unfriendly countries for America becoming like a Cold War bloc "Russia-Iran-North Korea". If they just add Cuba and Venezuela.

    Ukraine is now on the American side of the blocs, even if Ukraine would be unpopular with the public in America this geopolitical alignment is probably not changing until at least Putin retires.*

    If you remember the effect of the blocs in America's 20th century Cold War policy in Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Nicaragua. For example the Washington DC supports the Contras in Nicaragua because of the geopolitics, not because of "pro-Contras" opinion in the American population.

    -

    *Putin will be President until at least 2030.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @A123

    Ukraine is now on the American side of the blocs, even if Ukraine would be unpopular with the public in America this geopolitical alignment is probably not changing until at least Putin retires.*

    The best way for Russia to get itself back in the West’s and specifically the US’s good graces is to withdraw from all of Ukraine, including from Crimea, and to take a hardline anti-China stance (which carries its own risks for Russia, of course).

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...The best way for Russia to get itself back in the West’s and specifically the US’s good graces is to withdraw from all of Ukraine, including from Crimea, and to take a hardline anti-China stance
     
    The way Russia was pre-2014? Or back in the 90's? How did that work for Russia?

    When they were in good graces, they were pushed around, ignored, Nato was rapidly expanding to their borders, trade was "sanctioned" based on some 1970's laws, the West openly pined for another Yeltsin. They started to demonize Russia in 2002-3 when the first group of oligarchs was pushed out.

    If that was good graces what is the motivation for Russia to want it back? There were milder Western politicians but they were gradually removed by the fanatics: Berlusconi, Schroeder, anyone not fully on-board was removed. Russians may be slow, but they are not stupid - they eventually looked at what was going on and not at the pretty speeches and the false camaraderie.

    It is not going to reverse - we are in for an existential fight and one of the sides will bear the consequences. Or probably both.

  113. @Barbarossa
    @German_reader

    German politicians making self-flagellating approving statements about Allied bombing is painfully stupid.
    Prompted by Emil Nikola Richard's post on the proposed "Bat Bomb" I was discussing the civilian toll of Allied bombing of Germany and Japan with my wife. She was mentioning a book which mentioned the sinking of the civilian loaded Wilhem Gustloff, which was I believe the worst maritime disaster in history.
    The disregard for civilians in WW2 by the Allies was horrific and any honest accounting of the history would recognize that there truly were no good guys.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ, @German_reader

    She was mentioning a book which mentioned the sinking of the civilian loaded Wilhem Gustloff, which was I believe the worst maritime disaster in history.

    Quite interesting that Wilhelm Gustloff the ship fared as badly as Wilhelm Gustloff the man.

    BTW, the Jewish killer of Wilhelm Gustloff the man was able to survive the Holocaust by spending WWII in a Swiss prison. Lucky him!

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  114. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    I guess things in Europe have not changed nearly as much
     
    In Germany Israel/Palestine is definitely the dominant topic now that has displaced everything else, including Ukraine. And there is very little nuance here either. The entire establishment is trying to outdo each other in "solidarity" with Israel and crying crocodile's tears about anti-Israel demonstrations by jihad-minded Muslims (wow, what a surprise, who could have known that people from the Mideast have such views...). The more extreme "liberal-conservatives" make approving comparisons with the allied bombing campaign in WW2 (just as that was necessary back then, so flattening Gaza is necessary now, not just to prevent more terror attacks and rescue hostages, but to lay the basis for re-educating Palestinians and curing them of antisemitism). Have even seen the old "Jordan should be the Palestinian state" line in a fairly mainstream publication.
    I find it extremely tiresome, even more so than Ukraine. At least Ukraine and the relations with Russia are important issues for the entire European security order, and I find the entire conflict depressing and tragic. Whereas if I'm honest with Israelis and Palestinians it's more like pity they both can't lose.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Barbarossa, @Beckow

    …“liberal-conservatives” make approving comparisons with the allied bombing campaign in WW2, just as that was necessary back then, so flattening Gaza is necessary now

    I hope those are extreme views. Today one can’t be sure, the knives are out. In Prague some cultural figures talk about eliminating Palis and “it has to be done!” The open-border fanatics of yesteryear are screaming “kick them out!, let’s not be soft!“. But Prague is self-consciously absurd city, they overdo everything.

  115. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    You repeat desperate nonsense about Nato, but you know what was going on. If you choose to lie to yourself or to others, that’s your issue. It doesn’t change anything.

    Everyone can see that you are unable to answer very basic questions about NATO. It's pretty much expected at this point. You make a statement about NATO or Ukraine and then change then subject when asked to elaborate.

    Zelko run on a pro-peace platform and then betrayed people who voted for him – it is not so hard to understand.

    Well then explain it for us since Zelensky was elected in 2019 and never initiated the NATO application process.

    Do tell what he did in that short period to betray his people.

    You clearly spent too much time in a pro-Putin bubble and didn't realize that most of the pro-Putin bloggers are just plain full of shit. That is what happens when you try to defend the credibility of a mass murdering dwarf who lied to the UN about it being a "training exercise" and swore that he would never invade. He also pledged that DPR/LPR would become Republics which never happened. Putin recently claimed that his Jewish chef turned private warlord died after getting high on cocaine and playing with hand grenades. Do you believe him?

    I know from experience to avoid short and bitter men like Putin. They eventually disappoint everyone and that includes their biggest defenders. They have an unchangeable hatred of the world and everyone in it. In fact such bitter men are normally contemptuous of their own defenders. They view them as weak sycophants.

    Former Putin fan and DPR leader Igor Girkin has stated that Donbas separatism was never a popular movement and only occurred because of Russian backing. Of course we won't hear much from Girkin at this point. Putin has him in a cage.

    But you for some reason seem to think it is a good idea to keep defending the rodent king and his endless lies.


    How would they handle Finland if they are now in NATO?
     
    Lost business and economics. For details, get a map and a calculator. Over time Finland will become friendly again, they are not stupid, they like to make money.

    You are suggesting that Russia won't sell them oil if they are in NATO?

    Russia is currently selling NATO countries oil at NATO defined prices.

    Or are you talking about another export like beets or ????? Russia is a gas station. No one wants Russian cars or even bicycles. Their military exports are about to drop while US Himars is backordered for over 10 years. Putin is a dream come true for US military companies. Way to go dwarf.

    Replies: @Sean, @Sean, @Beckow

    You restated your nonsense. Why? We know that you hate Russians and will deny the nose between your eyes about Nato. Maybe follow John Mearsheimer, he is easy to find. You know that admitting Nato was moving to Ukraine fatally weakens your arguments so you lie about it. It won’t change anything.

    Russia is currently selling NATO countries oil at NATO defined prices

    They are selling it at market prices and also the LNG gas – the buyers are lining up and pay, mostly in EU. Some directly, others through intermediaries.

    Finland used to export to Russia and get most of its raw materials at very low prices – it is built into the geography, get a map. Many Finnish firms made most of their profits that way and closing itself off from Russia hurts the Finnish economy. They will pay more and sell less, they are not exactly able to reorient.

    Every Finnish businessmen knows it – why don’t you? Being in Nato does nothing: Finland had peaceful relations with Russia since it lost war to them in 1945. Now they are a primary preventive target in any war and lose business – the cocain-smoking floozie really screwed them, didn’t she?

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    You know that admitting Nato was moving to Ukraine fatally weakens your arguments so you lie about it. It won’t change anything.

    Stop making stuff up.

    Go ahead and quote me or let everyone see that you can't respond without using your imagination.

    I never said NATO was moving to Ukraine. In fact I've cited the article where NATO said that Ukraine still doesn't qualify:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-nato-membership-can-join-when-allies-agree-conditions-are-met-leaders-say/

    I don't know if Ukraine will join NATO. Of course they would like to join at this point. Who wouldn't want protection after being invaded by a larger power? However they could stay out as part of a deal with Russia. Or a country like Turkey could decide to vote against them.

    I am also on record stating that they don't need to join NATO for the sake of their own security. In 5 years this type of invasion will be even more difficult. The drone swarms will be ready which will make moving tanks and armored vehicles near impossible. China could in fact lose in an invasion if Taiwan prepares properly. The Taiwanese president however is a bit of a nitwit so that is up in the air.


    Russia is currently selling NATO countries oil at NATO defined prices
     
    They are selling it at market prices and also the LNG gas – the buyers are lining up and pay, mostly in EU. Some directly, others through intermediaries.

    G7 countries are imposing a price cap. Russia however of course sells at market rate to non-G7 countries and the cap is basically an honor system. But the point is that Russia will sell oil to its own political opponents. They're not going to cut oil to Finland for joining NATO. Finland doesn't need anything else from Russia. Their main trade partners are Western.

    Every Finnish businessmen knows it – why don’t you? Being in Nato does nothing

    NATO protects you from Russian invasion. Putin's henchmen are on video talking about how they should have taken the Baltics when they had the chance. They have TV debates where they speak of the Baltics as lost territories. Russians seem to think their borders should go to Germany and some even still want Eastern Germany. This mentality of Russians assuming their neighbors belong to them was described by the British over 100 years ago.

    Moldova has neutrality in their constitution and Belarus leaked the Russian invasion plan that showed them as next.

    Finland had peaceful relations with Russia since it lost war to them in 1945. Now they are a primary preventive target in any war and lose business

    LOL you really must be imagining another dictator. Putin rants about all kinds of countries and then sells them oil. Why hasn't he passed sanctions on Finland? Yea I'm sure he'll get right on that.

    The dwarf is just out to conquer. He would have taken Finland or Kazakhstan if he had known that Ukraine would kick his tanks out of Kiev. Putin is on record stating that it was a shame that the USSR collapsed. A fake Christian if there ever was one. He tried recreating the Russian empire and was pushed back to Donbas.

    Eliminating the Ukrainian identity is a Russian fantasy. They view Ukrainians as snobbish half-Westerners. The Ukrainians have more Nordic blood and don't have all the random conquered people of the Russian empire. Quite strange that White nationalists like Anglin support Putin when Russia is the multi-racial/multi-religious empire and Ukraine is not only Whiter but has stricter immigration controls.

    Replies: @Beckow

  116. @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry


    Ukraine is now on the American side of the blocs, even if Ukraine would be unpopular with the public in America this geopolitical alignment is probably not changing until at least Putin retires.*

     

    The best way for Russia to get itself back in the West's and specifically the US's good graces is to withdraw from all of Ukraine, including from Crimea, and to take a hardline anti-China stance (which carries its own risks for Russia, of course).

    Replies: @Beckow

    …The best way for Russia to get itself back in the West’s and specifically the US’s good graces is to withdraw from all of Ukraine, including from Crimea, and to take a hardline anti-China stance

    The way Russia was pre-2014? Or back in the 90’s? How did that work for Russia?

    When they were in good graces, they were pushed around, ignored, Nato was rapidly expanding to their borders, trade was “sanctioned” based on some 1970’s laws, the West openly pined for another Yeltsin. They started to demonize Russia in 2002-3 when the first group of oligarchs was pushed out.

    If that was good graces what is the motivation for Russia to want it back? There were milder Western politicians but they were gradually removed by the fanatics: Berlusconi, Schroeder, anyone not fully on-board was removed. Russians may be slow, but they are not stupid – they eventually looked at what was going on and not at the pretty speeches and the false camaraderie.

    It is not going to reverse – we are in for an existential fight and one of the sides will bear the consequences. Or probably both.

  117. @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry


    Also because Russia against Ukraine, it is two white countries fighting each other, a lot of the postcolonial people feel it was distracting against their objective. While the Israel vs Palestine conflict can return to the “anti-colonial theme” and fits with the earlier culture war of BLM etc.
     
    White nations can also be victims of imperialism. Eastern Europe is full of such white nations.

    *Including LGBT groups support Ukraine. These groups also support Palestine against Israel. Even although Israel is full of LGBT flags and people with purple hair, while Ukraine is conservative in relation to LGBT. Also Russia would be viewed as an LGBT paradise in relation to Palestine.
     
    Ukraine, while conservative on LGBTQ+ issues by Western standards, is more progressive on such issues than Russia is. Russia's aggression against Ukraine has actually helped pave the way for more LGBTQ+ acceptance among Ukrainians, who view LGBTQ+ hate as a symbol of predatory Russian imperialism and thus as something that Ukraine should strive to distance itself from:

    https://time.com/6273445/putin-lgbt-rights-ukraine-russia/

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/04/16/ukraine-russia-war-putin-homophobia-lgbtq-rights-military-civil-unions/

    https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/2023-10-01/ty-article-magazine/.premium/if-putin-hates-gays-were-all-for-them-russias-war-changes-lives-of-ukrainian-lgbtq/0000018a-dcb1-d476-abcf-fef38cb80000

    And Yes, being gay in Palestine would be worst of all out of all of these countries.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    White nations can also be victims of imperialism. Eastern Europe is full of such white nations.

    At the moment it doesn’t seem to work like that, at least in the Anglosphere. Probably it is because American culture defines who is and isn’t white at the moment, in terms of the term being politically meaningful. And the criteria seems to be if a person was in the US, would they be considered white or not?

    People in Eastern/Central Europe who have duskier complexions or maybe look more central Asian might be able to avoid it, if they could be placed in the Latino or Asian by looks category in the US.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Coconuts


    People in Eastern/Central Europe who have duskier complexions or maybe look more central Asian might be able to avoid it, if they could be placed in the Latino or Asian by looks category in the US.
     
    A friend from my university days, back in the early 90s, was from one of the former Soviet republics between Russia and Iran. When he got a US drivers license he listed his race as Caucasian. The woman working there disputed that he was Caucasian, inquiring if perhaps he was Hispanic. His response -

    “If I’m not Caucasian, then who is Caucasian”?

    I sometimes see his name in the news when his country does something newsworthy.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

  118. @Dmitry
    @Mikel

    I'm sure public opinion is important if Biden wants some kind of crazy high funding to Ukraine, like the new $60 billion funding to Ukraine he wants, after the $75 billion they have given to Ukraine.

    But for the general alliance, the geopolitical alignments of USA to Ukraine is probably becoming more significant than partisan politics. So, some extent of American support to Ukraine could become independent of public views.

    There's now beginning some new almost Cold War blocs. After around autumn 2022, Russia becomes dependent in terms of military equipment to Iran and North Korea.

    So, there is now three of the main unfriendly countries for America becoming like a Cold War bloc "Russia-Iran-North Korea". If they just add Cuba and Venezuela.

    Ukraine is now on the American side of the blocs, even if Ukraine would be unpopular with the public in America this geopolitical alignment is probably not changing until at least Putin retires.*

    If you remember the effect of the blocs in America's 20th century Cold War policy in Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Nicaragua. For example the Washington DC supports the Contras in Nicaragua because of the geopolitics, not because of "pro-Contras" opinion in the American population.

    -

    *Putin will be President until at least 2030.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @A123

    So, there is now three of the main unfriendly countries for America becoming like a Cold War bloc “Russia-Iran-North Korea”. If they just add Cuba and Venezuela.

    Ukraine is now on the American side of the blocs, even if Ukraine would be unpopular with the public in America this geopolitical alignment is probably not changing until at least Putin retires.

    It is hard to see that as a coherent “bloc”. A better analogy is ships sailing the same direction. They may temporarily form a “convoy”, but it does not indicate a durable structure.

    Among the reasons why the Populist center is ending support for Ukraine — Backing Kiev is a strategic error that forces Russia closer to genuine anti-American figures like Khamenei. Ending the fight in Ukraine by creating new borders along current lines will help rebuild the relationship between Christian America and Christian Russia.

    Far-left Globalists, including NeoConDemocrats, want to keep the cold war mentality going. Reasons for this include:

    • They still believe the debunked “Russia, Russia, Russia” myth.
    • They love of MegaCorporations and thus the MIC.
    • They believe Russia is too white.

    That last one is particularly puzzling, but it really is in circulation. I suspect that it is actually a coded dog whistle message that Russia is too Christian.
    ____

    I again point out that “The West” is not particularly meaningful terminology.

    ♦ The U.S. led Judeo-Christian Populist West is headed one direction. This will become more clear in Trump’s 2nd term.
    ♦ The Brussels/Paris/Berlin led Islamophile Globalist West is headed 180° the other.

    Every time “The West” is used as a phrase it begs the question, “Which West”?

    PEACE 😇

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    kremlinstoogeA123 is once again showing the depths of his appeasing soul. Every single scholar or pundit that reviews the topic of the end-times within Revelation, comes to the same conclusion, that Russia will take a leading and most important role (the head of the countries of the north) and attack and try to subdue Israel. His attempt to conflate Christianity in the US and within Russia is a fruitless exercise of pure nonsense. As an ardent supporter of Israel he should know better.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    They believe Russia is too white.

    That last one is particularly puzzling, but it really is in circulation. I suspect that it is actually a coded dog whistle message that Russia is too Christian.
     

    Are you sure that its not the little "whistles" going off within your glue vaporized brain that provide you with these "puzzling" messages, kremlinstoogeA123?. Totally and unsubstantiated ideas emanating from our local master of strange conspiracy theories. Weave us some more kremlinstoogeA123, they're actually quite amusing. :-)
    , @sudden death
    @A123

    Pop quiz – you have two places infested with muslims, both local and immigrants, but in one you can burn Quran freely, while in other Quran is considered as sacred for all and such deed is punishable by jail and beatings in it.

    Which one should be considered more Islamophiliac?;)

  119. @A123
    @Dmitry


    So, there is now three of the main unfriendly countries for America becoming like a Cold War bloc “Russia-Iran-North Korea”. If they just add Cuba and Venezuela.

    Ukraine is now on the American side of the blocs, even if Ukraine would be unpopular with the public in America this geopolitical alignment is probably not changing until at least Putin retires.
     
    It is hard to see that as a coherent "bloc". A better analogy is ships sailing the same direction. They may temporarily form a "convoy", but it does not indicate a durable structure.

    Among the reasons why the Populist center is ending support for Ukraine -- Backing Kiev is a strategic error that forces Russia closer to genuine anti-American figures like Khamenei. Ending the fight in Ukraine by creating new borders along current lines will help rebuild the relationship between Christian America and Christian Russia.

    Far-left Globalists, including NeoConDemocrats, want to keep the cold war mentality going. Reasons for this include:

    • They still believe the debunked "Russia, Russia, Russia" myth.
    • They love of MegaCorporations and thus the MIC.
    • They believe Russia is too white.

    That last one is particularly puzzling, but it really is in circulation. I suspect that it is actually a coded dog whistle message that Russia is too Christian.
    ____

    I again point out that "The West" is not particularly meaningful terminology.

    ♦ The U.S. led Judeo-Christian Populist West is headed one direction. This will become more clear in Trump's 2nd term.
    ♦ The Brussels/Paris/Berlin led Islamophile Globalist West is headed 180° the other.

    Every time "The West" is used as a phrase it begs the question, "Which West"?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. Hack, @sudden death

    kremlinstoogeA123 is once again showing the depths of his appeasing soul. Every single scholar or pundit that reviews the topic of the end-times within Revelation, comes to the same conclusion, that Russia will take a leading and most important role (the head of the countries of the north) and attack and try to subdue Israel. His attempt to conflate Christianity in the US and within Russia is a fruitless exercise of pure nonsense. As an ardent supporter of Israel he should know better.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Mr. Hack


    Every single scholar or pundit that reviews the topic of the end-times within Revelation
     
    Well, there always is the preterist interpretation that looks at the book of Revelation as describing events in the first century that have already occurred. I've always been rather partial to that view myself.

    It's hardly so handy for selling blockbuster Evangelical action series though!

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack

  120. @A123
    @Dmitry


    So, there is now three of the main unfriendly countries for America becoming like a Cold War bloc “Russia-Iran-North Korea”. If they just add Cuba and Venezuela.

    Ukraine is now on the American side of the blocs, even if Ukraine would be unpopular with the public in America this geopolitical alignment is probably not changing until at least Putin retires.
     
    It is hard to see that as a coherent "bloc". A better analogy is ships sailing the same direction. They may temporarily form a "convoy", but it does not indicate a durable structure.

    Among the reasons why the Populist center is ending support for Ukraine -- Backing Kiev is a strategic error that forces Russia closer to genuine anti-American figures like Khamenei. Ending the fight in Ukraine by creating new borders along current lines will help rebuild the relationship between Christian America and Christian Russia.

    Far-left Globalists, including NeoConDemocrats, want to keep the cold war mentality going. Reasons for this include:

    • They still believe the debunked "Russia, Russia, Russia" myth.
    • They love of MegaCorporations and thus the MIC.
    • They believe Russia is too white.

    That last one is particularly puzzling, but it really is in circulation. I suspect that it is actually a coded dog whistle message that Russia is too Christian.
    ____

    I again point out that "The West" is not particularly meaningful terminology.

    ♦ The U.S. led Judeo-Christian Populist West is headed one direction. This will become more clear in Trump's 2nd term.
    ♦ The Brussels/Paris/Berlin led Islamophile Globalist West is headed 180° the other.

    Every time "The West" is used as a phrase it begs the question, "Which West"?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. Hack, @sudden death

    They believe Russia is too white.

    That last one is particularly puzzling, but it really is in circulation. I suspect that it is actually a coded dog whistle message that Russia is too Christian.

    Are you sure that its not the little “whistles” going off within your glue vaporized brain that provide you with these “puzzling” messages, kremlinstoogeA123?. Totally and unsubstantiated ideas emanating from our local master of strange conspiracy theories. Weave us some more kremlinstoogeA123, they’re actually quite amusing. 🙂

  121. @A123
    @Dmitry


    So, there is now three of the main unfriendly countries for America becoming like a Cold War bloc “Russia-Iran-North Korea”. If they just add Cuba and Venezuela.

    Ukraine is now on the American side of the blocs, even if Ukraine would be unpopular with the public in America this geopolitical alignment is probably not changing until at least Putin retires.
     
    It is hard to see that as a coherent "bloc". A better analogy is ships sailing the same direction. They may temporarily form a "convoy", but it does not indicate a durable structure.

    Among the reasons why the Populist center is ending support for Ukraine -- Backing Kiev is a strategic error that forces Russia closer to genuine anti-American figures like Khamenei. Ending the fight in Ukraine by creating new borders along current lines will help rebuild the relationship between Christian America and Christian Russia.

    Far-left Globalists, including NeoConDemocrats, want to keep the cold war mentality going. Reasons for this include:

    • They still believe the debunked "Russia, Russia, Russia" myth.
    • They love of MegaCorporations and thus the MIC.
    • They believe Russia is too white.

    That last one is particularly puzzling, but it really is in circulation. I suspect that it is actually a coded dog whistle message that Russia is too Christian.
    ____

    I again point out that "The West" is not particularly meaningful terminology.

    ♦ The U.S. led Judeo-Christian Populist West is headed one direction. This will become more clear in Trump's 2nd term.
    ♦ The Brussels/Paris/Berlin led Islamophile Globalist West is headed 180° the other.

    Every time "The West" is used as a phrase it begs the question, "Which West"?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. Hack, @sudden death

    Pop quiz – you have two places infested with muslims, both local and immigrants, but in one you can burn Quran freely, while in other Quran is considered as sacred for all and such deed is punishable by jail and beatings in it.

    Which one should be considered more Islamophiliac?;)

    • LOL: A123
  122. @Coconuts
    @Mr. XYZ


    White nations can also be victims of imperialism. Eastern Europe is full of such white nations.
     
    At the moment it doesn't seem to work like that, at least in the Anglosphere. Probably it is because American culture defines who is and isn't white at the moment, in terms of the term being politically meaningful. And the criteria seems to be if a person was in the US, would they be considered white or not?

    People in Eastern/Central Europe who have duskier complexions or maybe look more central Asian might be able to avoid it, if they could be placed in the Latino or Asian by looks category in the US.

    Replies: @AP

    People in Eastern/Central Europe who have duskier complexions or maybe look more central Asian might be able to avoid it, if they could be placed in the Latino or Asian by looks category in the US.

    A friend from my university days, back in the early 90s, was from one of the former Soviet republics between Russia and Iran. When he got a US drivers license he listed his race as Caucasian. The woman working there disputed that he was Caucasian, inquiring if perhaps he was Hispanic. His response –

    “If I’m not Caucasian, then who is Caucasian”?

    I sometimes see his name in the news when his country does something newsworthy.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    I sometimes see his name in the news when his country does something newsworthy.
     
    A very close and prominent friend of the Aliyev family who rules over Azerbaijan?
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    BTW, interesting story: When my mom went to the doctor's office (I think that it was the doctor's office, at least) and one of the paperwork asked about race, my mom inquired as to what "Caucasian" means. My parents are originally from Russia, so it's a completely understandable question because from a Russian perspective, "Caucasian" means someone from the Caucasus. The Korean lady/secretary who was speaking to my mother moved her mouth near my mom's ear, covered her mouth with her hand, and extremely quietly said "White".

  123. @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    kremlinstoogeA123 is once again showing the depths of his appeasing soul. Every single scholar or pundit that reviews the topic of the end-times within Revelation, comes to the same conclusion, that Russia will take a leading and most important role (the head of the countries of the north) and attack and try to subdue Israel. His attempt to conflate Christianity in the US and within Russia is a fruitless exercise of pure nonsense. As an ardent supporter of Israel he should know better.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Every single scholar or pundit that reviews the topic of the end-times within Revelation

    Well, there always is the preterist interpretation that looks at the book of Revelation as describing events in the first century that have already occurred. I’ve always been rather partial to that view myself.

    It’s hardly so handy for selling blockbuster Evangelical action series though!

    • Agree: LondonBob
    • Replies: @A123
    @Barbarossa


    Well, there always is the preterist interpretation that looks at the book of Revelation as describing events in the first century that have already occurred.
     
    Hmmm... If we are past Revelations, is this Purgatory?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Barbarossa

    You're free to believe whatever you want, but I don't see how anybody can believe that all of the things written about within Revelations have already taken place. Some undoubtedly have, but it doesn't seem feasible that the Apocalypse has already taken place, with Christ sitting on his judgement seat ready to judge all of humanity and its eternal fate. Besides, Israel didn't crystalize into a modern nation/state until 1948, so how could all of it have already taken place?

    https://i.etsystatic.com/5322188/r/il/f8ba23/2635429337/il_794xN.2635429337_d7t9.jpg
    Right hand or left hand?

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  124. @Dmitry
    @Mikel

    Within the West, the right-left support choice for Israel or Palestine is not so unpredictable or mysterious.

    A wealthy, very developed, Western "first world" country, fights using modern technology against non-Western Jihadist "resistance" with Kalashnikovs.

    In the Lenin/Star wars categories, "bourgeois imperialism" vs romantic partisans.

    So, the support and the opposition groups in the West, are similar as for conflicts like the 2003 Iraq war between the USA vs Iraq or USA vs North Vietnam.

    Left-wing and postcolonialist people are supporting Palestine (anti-government people, university students/academics, educated people, Muslim immigrants, LGBT groups, BLM, countries like Sweden and Ireland, people with "conspiracy theories"), while "pro-West" and center-right politically people support more on average Israel.

    -

    Although with some overlapping, Ukraine vs Russia had a bit different mix of the support and opposition in the West.

    Ukraine was seen as a weak country, fighting the strong country Russia. Ukraine was viewed as the romantic partisans fighting against the Russian imperialism. Both Russia and Ukraine are non-Western, second world countries. But Ukraine signals that it wants to join the West.

    So, a lot of the left-wing* in the West supports Ukraine, because they always want to support the weaker side against the stronger side. Also some of the right-wing, pro-Western people support Ukraine, because Ukraine since Euromaidan signals it wants to join the West.*

    But far-right and far-left both support Russia against Ukraine.**

    Also because Russia against Ukraine, it is two white countries fighting each other, a lot of the postcolonial people feel it was distracting against their objective. While the Israel vs Palestine conflict can return to the "anti-colonial theme" and returns to the earlier 2020s culture war of BLM etc.


    -
    *Including LGBT groups support Ukraine. These groups also support Palestine against Israel. Even although Israel is full of LGBT flags and people with purple hair, while Ukraine is conservative in relation to LGBT. Also Russia would be viewed as an LGBT paradise in relation to Palestine.

    **Politically far-right and far-left Western people also are likely almost all supporting Palestine against Israel.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    What you are describing is general guidelines for the distribution of sympathies towards both sides of the Israel/Arab conflict in Western Europe (not sure about EE). But one shouldn’t confuse general sympathy or proclivity with actual support for any one side. My experience with many people of different Western European countries is that very few people feel the need to side with one or the other.

    As G_R said, it’s a tedious issue that has been there forever in everyone’s lifetimes and it’s difficult to feel that anyone can do much about it or even say anything new about it. Israel is generally seen as much closer socially to us so it could potentially get much more support but, on the one hand, there is the very heavy-handed tactics that they always use and on the other hand, the religious thing that, to some extent or the other, leads Israelis to have further expansionists tendencies is also perceived as alienating.

    The only more or less novel thing that I could say is that here in the US the MSM drive to support Israel unconditionally is much stronger than in Western Europe (with the apparent exception of Germany) and there is also a very important religious component that is absent in Europe. Mormons seem to be as supportive of Israel as evangelicals, which is not surprising considering the central role that Israel plays in their sacred books. Utah is full of Jewish toponyms everywhere: Nephi, Lehi, Zion, Moab, Nebo, Kanab,… People around me who didn’t express much interest in the Ukraine war have put up US-Israel flags on their front yards.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel


    People around me who didn’t express much interest in the Ukraine war have put up US-Israel flags on their front yards.
     
    Woah. I have never seen an Israeli flag or a Ukraine flag displayed in my zip code. No bumper stickers, lapel pins, or t-shirts. No stupidity displays at that level of crude.

    On the other hand Anglin's comment threads are . . . I don't know what to say about Anglin's comment threads. And I have commented in them! : )
    , @Dmitry
    @Mikel


    US the MSM drive to support Israel unconditionally is much stronger than in Western Europe
     
    In many of the Western Europe countries, the media has anti-Israel views. If you look in Republic of Ireland or United Kingdom.

    In Republic of Ireland, the main view is pro-Palestine and this is also in the media. It's similar for the Scandinavian societies.


    People around me who didn’t express much interest in the Ukraine war have put up US-Israel flag
     
    Around a year in the past, you were writing how you believed Mormons of Utah strongly supported Ukraine and some young Mormans had been dying as volunteer soldiers in Ukraine.

    There is an overlap of the "pro-Western bloc" views which are encouraged in the Mormon culture and Cold War "Manichaeists'" perception of the external policy, which supports Ukraine.

    If you remember early 2022, excluding the populist Tucker Carlson side, the Republican Party was mainly supporting Ukraine from Cold War style of policy.

    It seems like this year, the Republican positions are becoming less pro-Ukraine, as the politicians are seeing the popularity of the more isolationist positions and accepting Trump will be the presidential candidate.

    But the geopolitics is returning more to blocs and a new Cold War. So, the external policy of even Trump might still be to support Ukraine, even if it is relatively more unpopular with the Republican voters.

    -

    By the way, there is an interesting documentary in 1987 about the war in Nicaragua. Reagan begins to support the Contras even without public support. But then Congress begins to talk about ending the funding for the Contras, then Reagan begins the PR policy for pro-Contras public views.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wUfevC9LHs.

    Replies: @Mikel

  125. German_reader says:
    @Mikel
    @German_reader

    Interesting that the public discourse in Germany is also so pro-Israel. Perhaps the historical guilt issue must be playing a role. I think that in the rest of Western Europe the Palestinians get plenty of public support but only as the victims of a quasi-colonial situation and the ones who always put the brunt of the civilian casualties. It's seldom an unrestricted support though, they started using terrorist tactics very early on (the Munich massacre, etc) and never made themselves too appealing to Western eyes. In fact, support for Israel is common among European right wingers who regard Palestinians as too alien civilizationally. But I guess most Europeans share your lack of sympathy for any of both sides.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @German_reader, @Greasy William

    Earlier this evening I came out of the railway station in my shithole city and outside there was one of those digital advertising columns (hope that’s the right word, not sure), featuring this official announcement from the Bundestag:

    The German Bundestag
    Solidarity with Israel
    The German Bundestag stands firmly and determinedly on the side of Israel and her people

    Just ridiculous.

    In fact, support for Israel is common among European right wingers who regard Palestinians as too alien civilizationally.

    They are idiots. I can’t say I like Palestinians on a personal level, and yes, their nihilistic terroristic tactics have always been pretty repellent. But Israel is still in the wrong with its occupation and colonization policies. There is nothing to be gained by supporting expansionist Zionism either, diaspora Jews will still keep pushing their anti-nationalist bs for everybody else, and if one’s unlucky one will be dragged into a catastrophic Mideast war. Really have nothing but contempt for those pro-Israel right-wingers and their bloodthirsty fantasies.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader


    They are idiots. I can’t say I like Palestinians on a personal level, and yes, their nihilistic terroristic tactics have always been pretty repellent. But Israel is still in the wrong with its occupation and colonization policies. There is nothing to be gained by supporting expansionist Zionism either, diaspora Jews will still keep pushing their anti-nationalist bs for everybody else, and if one’s unlucky one will be dragged into a catastrophic Mideast war. Really have nothing but contempt for those pro-Israel right-wingers and their bloodthirsty fantasies.

     

    The way that I see it, Israeli right-wingers have several flaws:

    1. Their treatment of the Palestinians
    2. Their treatment of Israelis of Jewish descent who aren't halakhically Jewish (some of them wanted to cancel Israel's Law of Return's Grandchild Clause before Israel's version of 9/11 occurred, when these plans were quietly shelved indefinitely)
    3. The refusal of Ultra-Orthodox Jewish men to work a lot or to do military service (they prefer engaging in Torah study while eating kosher Twinkies lol)

  126. German_reader says:
    @Barbarossa
    @German_reader

    German politicians making self-flagellating approving statements about Allied bombing is painfully stupid.
    Prompted by Emil Nikola Richard's post on the proposed "Bat Bomb" I was discussing the civilian toll of Allied bombing of Germany and Japan with my wife. She was mentioning a book which mentioned the sinking of the civilian loaded Wilhem Gustloff, which was I believe the worst maritime disaster in history.
    The disregard for civilians in WW2 by the Allies was horrific and any honest accounting of the history would recognize that there truly were no good guys.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ, @German_reader

    She was mentioning a book which mentioned the sinking of the civilian loaded Wilhem Gustloff, which was I believe the worst maritime disaster in history.

    There were others in WW2 which were somewhat similar:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Lancastria
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_hospital_ship_Armenia

    Anyway, I normally don’t even think there’s much point to re-litigating something like the allied bombing offensive in WW2. But there’s something profoundly warped about those militant Westerners who always believe they’re re-fighting WW2 and get off on rather extreme fantasies about cathartic violence and collective punishment. It’s a type that seems to have proliferated in Germany in recent years, strange phenomenon.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @German_reader

    Thanks for those.

    I think the reason it irritates me, or my wife for that matter, so much is that, living in 'Murica we have had WW2 heroic triumphalist narratives spoon fed to us from earliest childhood. It's just everywhere whether in pop culture or history books and yet is far from reality.

    So, especially raising and home-schooling a bunch of kids we really want to provide a more accurate rendition. This boils down pretty simply really...War is Hell and there are rarely any truly Good Guys on the State level.

    There was a movie that has always stuck with me called


    Grave of the Fireflies
     
    which is really a WW2 movie, but told from the perspective of a pair of Japanese orphans who are cast adrift after the end of the Allied bombing campaign.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grave_of_the_Fireflies

    My Dad ended up bring the film home when I was around 12 and I found it to be a completely enthralling yet crushing movie. It is still one of my favorite movies of all time.

    It's kind of funny that my Dad picked it up since he was more into Steven Segal/ Chuck Norris type campy action movies which I disliked and avoided. I asked him about a year ago if he remembered it out of curiosity on why he picked it out, but he didn't have any recollection of it.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    I normally don’t even think there’s much point to re-litigating something like the allied bombing offensive in WW2
     
    Generally speaking, no. However, history has predictive value. We must remember what countries bombed Dresden, killing and maiming thousands of civilians. We must also remember that a different country kicked Nazis out of Dresden. Every country has its specialization, and those do not change.
  127. “The US has gone through 96% of the funds that it has currently allocated for Ukraine, national security council spokesperson John Kirby has told reporters.

    The US believes that Ukraine can win back its territory, Kirby said, but acknowledged that progress had been slow, Reuters reports.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/nov/08/russia-ukraine-war-kyiv-avdiivka-zelenskiy-putin#pinned-post

  128. @German_reader
    @Barbarossa


    She was mentioning a book which mentioned the sinking of the civilian loaded Wilhem Gustloff, which was I believe the worst maritime disaster in history.
     
    There were others in WW2 which were somewhat similar:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Lancastria
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_hospital_ship_Armenia

    Anyway, I normally don't even think there's much point to re-litigating something like the allied bombing offensive in WW2. But there's something profoundly warped about those militant Westerners who always believe they're re-fighting WW2 and get off on rather extreme fantasies about cathartic violence and collective punishment. It's a type that seems to have proliferated in Germany in recent years, strange phenomenon.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @AnonfromTN

    Thanks for those.

    I think the reason it irritates me, or my wife for that matter, so much is that, living in ‘Murica we have had WW2 heroic triumphalist narratives spoon fed to us from earliest childhood. It’s just everywhere whether in pop culture or history books and yet is far from reality.

    So, especially raising and home-schooling a bunch of kids we really want to provide a more accurate rendition. This boils down pretty simply really…War is Hell and there are rarely any truly Good Guys on the State level.

    There was a movie that has always stuck with me called

    Grave of the Fireflies

    which is really a WW2 movie, but told from the perspective of a pair of Japanese orphans who are cast adrift after the end of the Allied bombing campaign.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grave_of_the_Fireflies

    My Dad ended up bring the film home when I was around 12 and I found it to be a completely enthralling yet crushing movie. It is still one of my favorite movies of all time.

    It’s kind of funny that my Dad picked it up since he was more into Steven Segal/ Chuck Norris type campy action movies which I disliked and avoided. I asked him about a year ago if he remembered it out of curiosity on why he picked it out, but he didn’t have any recollection of it.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Barbarossa


    Grave of the Fireflies
     
    I've heard of it. Don't think I'm going to watch it though, doesn't sound very cheerful.

    Haven't read anything specifically about the American bombing campaign against Japan. I did read John Dower's War without mercy about the Pacific war more generally. Found it annoying in parts with its somewhat preachy antiracism tbh, but it contains a lot of interesting information (also about the Japanese and how they perceived the war and subject peoples in their conquered territories).
    Regarding the air war in Europe I liked Richard Overy's The bombing war, which deals with pretty much everything one could ask for (even subjects that are usually neglected, like German bombing in the Soviet Union or the impact of the air war on Italy). Haven't seen anything more profound since, most of the opinions one reads on the subject aren't very interesting anyway, either justifying bombing as collective punishment or condemning it as war crimes...if you've seen one argument of either type, you've seen them all.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

  129. German_reader says:
    @Barbarossa
    @German_reader

    Thanks for those.

    I think the reason it irritates me, or my wife for that matter, so much is that, living in 'Murica we have had WW2 heroic triumphalist narratives spoon fed to us from earliest childhood. It's just everywhere whether in pop culture or history books and yet is far from reality.

    So, especially raising and home-schooling a bunch of kids we really want to provide a more accurate rendition. This boils down pretty simply really...War is Hell and there are rarely any truly Good Guys on the State level.

    There was a movie that has always stuck with me called


    Grave of the Fireflies
     
    which is really a WW2 movie, but told from the perspective of a pair of Japanese orphans who are cast adrift after the end of the Allied bombing campaign.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grave_of_the_Fireflies

    My Dad ended up bring the film home when I was around 12 and I found it to be a completely enthralling yet crushing movie. It is still one of my favorite movies of all time.

    It's kind of funny that my Dad picked it up since he was more into Steven Segal/ Chuck Norris type campy action movies which I disliked and avoided. I asked him about a year ago if he remembered it out of curiosity on why he picked it out, but he didn't have any recollection of it.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Grave of the Fireflies

    I’ve heard of it. Don’t think I’m going to watch it though, doesn’t sound very cheerful.

    Haven’t read anything specifically about the American bombing campaign against Japan. I did read John Dower’s War without mercy about the Pacific war more generally. Found it annoying in parts with its somewhat preachy antiracism tbh, but it contains a lot of interesting information (also about the Japanese and how they perceived the war and subject peoples in their conquered territories).
    Regarding the air war in Europe I liked Richard Overy’s The bombing war, which deals with pretty much everything one could ask for (even subjects that are usually neglected, like German bombing in the Soviet Union or the impact of the air war on Italy). Haven’t seen anything more profound since, most of the opinions one reads on the subject aren’t very interesting anyway, either justifying bombing as collective punishment or condemning it as war crimes…if you’ve seen one argument of either type, you’ve seen them all.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @German_reader


    John Dower’s War without mercy about the Pacific war more generally. Found it annoying in parts with its somewhat preachy antiracism
     
    The conceit of that book is bogus-- the Japanese got lighter post-war treatment than Germans. Probably has to do with this, but Dowers is not going to touch that subject.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_settlement_in_the_Japanese_Empire

    Beijing in 1939 under Japanese occupation. Yeah, brutal, sadistic

    https://i.postimg.cc/0jhSPkTR/351336678-1189974401650984-4882577080419282942-n.jpg

    https://i.postimg.cc/J4Jx0vPc/351805371-791258149107324-6273210394278445345-n.jpg

    This was the Zhongnanhai pool, open to public. Ten years later CCP liberated it and became Mao's private pool. Which he used to take advantage of Khrushchev.

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/khrushchev-in-water-wings-on-mao-humiliation-and-the-sino-soviet-split-80852370/

    https://twitter.com/zhu0588/status/1715117553331396974

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    , @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @German_reader


    I did read John Dower’s War without mercy about the Pacific war more generally. Found it annoying in parts with its somewhat preachy antiracism tbh, but it contains a lot of interesting information (also about the Japanese and how they perceived the war and subject peoples in their conquered territories).
     
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-taQFhbwAAgnm-.jpg



    Bryan Mark Rigg's new book "Japan's holocaust" will undoubtedly be one of the most important history books this year.

    Here's how the author himself introduces the book (Rigg is undoubtedly one of the most highly regarded authors today on World War II ):

    "Japan’s Holocaust combines research conducted in over eighteen research facilities in five nations to explore Imperial Japan’s atrocities from 1927 to 1945 during its military expansions and reckless campaigns throughout Asia and the Pacific. This book brings together the most recent scholarship and new primary research to ascertain that Japan claimed a minimum of thirty million lives, slaughtering far more than Hitler. Japan’s Holocaust shows that Emperor Hirohito not only knew about the atrocities his legions committed, but actually ordered them. He did nothing to stop them when they exceeded even the most depraved person’s imagination, as illustrated during the Rape of Nanking as well as many other events. Japan’s Holocaust will document in painful detail that the Rape of Nanking was not an isolated event during the Asian War but rather representative of how Japan behaved for all its campaigns throughout Asia and the Pacific from 1927 to 1945.

    Mass murder, rape, and economic exploitation was Japan’s modus operandi during this time period, and whereas Hitler’s SS Death’s Head outfits attempted to hide their atrocities, Hirohito’s legions committed their atrocities out in the open with fanfare and enthusiasm. Moreover, whereas Germany has done much since World War II to atone for its crimes and to document them, Japan has been absolutely disgraceful with its reparations for its crimes and in its efforts to educate its population about its wartime past. Shockingly, Japan continues, in general, to glorify is criminals and its wartime past."

    Replies: @German_reader

  130. @Mikel
    @Dmitry

    What you are describing is general guidelines for the distribution of sympathies towards both sides of the Israel/Arab conflict in Western Europe (not sure about EE). But one shouldn't confuse general sympathy or proclivity with actual support for any one side. My experience with many people of different Western European countries is that very few people feel the need to side with one or the other.

    As G_R said, it's a tedious issue that has been there forever in everyone's lifetimes and it's difficult to feel that anyone can do much about it or even say anything new about it. Israel is generally seen as much closer socially to us so it could potentially get much more support but, on the one hand, there is the very heavy-handed tactics that they always use and on the other hand, the religious thing that, to some extent or the other, leads Israelis to have further expansionists tendencies is also perceived as alienating.

    The only more or less novel thing that I could say is that here in the US the MSM drive to support Israel unconditionally is much stronger than in Western Europe (with the apparent exception of Germany) and there is also a very important religious component that is absent in Europe. Mormons seem to be as supportive of Israel as evangelicals, which is not surprising considering the central role that Israel plays in their sacred books. Utah is full of Jewish toponyms everywhere: Nephi, Lehi, Zion, Moab, Nebo, Kanab,... People around me who didn't express much interest in the Ukraine war have put up US-Israel flags on their front yards.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry

    People around me who didn’t express much interest in the Ukraine war have put up US-Israel flags on their front yards.

    Woah. I have never seen an Israeli flag or a Ukraine flag displayed in my zip code. No bumper stickers, lapel pins, or t-shirts. No stupidity displays at that level of crude.

    On the other hand Anglin’s comment threads are . . . I don’t know what to say about Anglin’s comment threads. And I have commented in them! : )

  131. @Barbarossa
    @Mr. Hack


    Every single scholar or pundit that reviews the topic of the end-times within Revelation
     
    Well, there always is the preterist interpretation that looks at the book of Revelation as describing events in the first century that have already occurred. I've always been rather partial to that view myself.

    It's hardly so handy for selling blockbuster Evangelical action series though!

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack

    Well, there always is the preterist interpretation that looks at the book of Revelation as describing events in the first century that have already occurred.

    Hmmm… If we are past Revelations, is this Purgatory?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @A123

    All political indications point to "yes", LOL.

    More seriously though, I think that people obsessing over Revelations is a waste of time. Things will happen how they happen when they happen regardless of how much one worries over it. I refuse to give much spiritual/ brain space to worrying about the end of the world.

    Jesus gave plenty of actionable instructions on how to relate to others and God which should take way more precedence in people's minds than geeking out over prophecy, especially since 100% of those who have predicted the end of the world have been wrong thus far. Prophecy obsession can be a dangerous distraction for a lot of Christians.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  132. @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You restated your nonsense. Why? We know that you hate Russians and will deny the nose between your eyes about Nato. Maybe follow John Mearsheimer, he is easy to find. You know that admitting Nato was moving to Ukraine fatally weakens your arguments so you lie about it. It won't change anything.


    Russia is currently selling NATO countries oil at NATO defined prices
     
    They are selling it at market prices and also the LNG gas - the buyers are lining up and pay, mostly in EU. Some directly, others through intermediaries.

    Finland used to export to Russia and get most of its raw materials at very low prices - it is built into the geography, get a map. Many Finnish firms made most of their profits that way and closing itself off from Russia hurts the Finnish economy. They will pay more and sell less, they are not exactly able to reorient.

    Every Finnish businessmen knows it - why don't you? Being in Nato does nothing: Finland had peaceful relations with Russia since it lost war to them in 1945. Now they are a primary preventive target in any war and lose business - the cocain-smoking floozie really screwed them, didn't she?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    You know that admitting Nato was moving to Ukraine fatally weakens your arguments so you lie about it. It won’t change anything.

    Stop making stuff up.

    Go ahead and quote me or let everyone see that you can’t respond without using your imagination.

    I never said NATO was moving to Ukraine. In fact I’ve cited the article where NATO said that Ukraine still doesn’t qualify:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-nato-membership-can-join-when-allies-agree-conditions-are-met-leaders-say/

    I don’t know if Ukraine will join NATO. Of course they would like to join at this point. Who wouldn’t want protection after being invaded by a larger power? However they could stay out as part of a deal with Russia. Or a country like Turkey could decide to vote against them.

    I am also on record stating that they don’t need to join NATO for the sake of their own security. In 5 years this type of invasion will be even more difficult. The drone swarms will be ready which will make moving tanks and armored vehicles near impossible. China could in fact lose in an invasion if Taiwan prepares properly. The Taiwanese president however is a bit of a nitwit so that is up in the air.

    Russia is currently selling NATO countries oil at NATO defined prices

    They are selling it at market prices and also the LNG gas – the buyers are lining up and pay, mostly in EU. Some directly, others through intermediaries.

    G7 countries are imposing a price cap. Russia however of course sells at market rate to non-G7 countries and the cap is basically an honor system. But the point is that Russia will sell oil to its own political opponents. They’re not going to cut oil to Finland for joining NATO. Finland doesn’t need anything else from Russia. Their main trade partners are Western.

    Every Finnish businessmen knows it – why don’t you? Being in Nato does nothing

    NATO protects you from Russian invasion. Putin’s henchmen are on video talking about how they should have taken the Baltics when they had the chance. They have TV debates where they speak of the Baltics as lost territories. Russians seem to think their borders should go to Germany and some even still want Eastern Germany. This mentality of Russians assuming their neighbors belong to them was described by the British over 100 years ago.

    Moldova has neutrality in their constitution and Belarus leaked the Russian invasion plan that showed them as next.

    Finland had peaceful relations with Russia since it lost war to them in 1945. Now they are a primary preventive target in any war and lose business

    LOL you really must be imagining another dictator. Putin rants about all kinds of countries and then sells them oil. Why hasn’t he passed sanctions on Finland? Yea I’m sure he’ll get right on that.

    The dwarf is just out to conquer. He would have taken Finland or Kazakhstan if he had known that Ukraine would kick his tanks out of Kiev. Putin is on record stating that it was a shame that the USSR collapsed. A fake Christian if there ever was one. He tried recreating the Russian empire and was pushed back to Donbas.

    Eliminating the Ukrainian identity is a Russian fantasy. They view Ukrainians as snobbish half-Westerners. The Ukrainians have more Nordic blood and don’t have all the random conquered people of the Russian empire. Quite strange that White nationalists like Anglin support Putin when Russia is the multi-racial/multi-religious empire and Ukraine is not only Whiter but has stricter immigration controls.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You and I should agree not to discuss Nato in Ukraine. What looks obvious to any observer (Mearsheimer, Sachs,...) you deny. Fine, it is water under the bridge now, Kiev won't be in Nato - Russia won that part of the war.

    You know nothing about Finland and its economy: what it sells and buys. It is an advanced economy with high costs and lack of many essential resources - remoteness makes things costly. It has traded with Russia for the last 1000 years: when that works, Finland prospers. When the border is restricted, Finland does worse. Ask any Finnish businessman.

    Selling is not the point. It is about "selling for how much" - by joining Nato Finland switched to paying more, selling less to Russia and with higher costs. If the unthinkable happens Helsinki is an early target - up to this year it would be bypassed as neutral. That must feel really good.

    Your fabulation about Russia "invading Finland next" or hot talk on Russian talk shows displays your ignorance. Are Russians invading Bretagne next for the oysters? If we judge countries by the loose talk on shows or made-up spy leaks we will live in paranoia. Have you seen some of the nuts on the American shows? What does that have to with anything?


    The Ukrainians have more Nordic blood...Ukraine is not only Whiter but has stricter immigration controls.
     
    Now we are home: the proto-fascist inside you comes out. Nordic blood? no kidding...so why are they self-destructing like lemmings? Are Nordics into that too? It looks like that occasionally.

    It is a losing argument, your Nazi teenage fantasies only make you look lost. The "Nordic" ideology lost the biggest war in human history, WW2 - and Russia won it. You can't go back and redo it. We are living with the consequences and only an idiot would try to reverse it. Good luck.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @sudden death

  133. @Mikel
    @German_reader

    Interesting that the public discourse in Germany is also so pro-Israel. Perhaps the historical guilt issue must be playing a role. I think that in the rest of Western Europe the Palestinians get plenty of public support but only as the victims of a quasi-colonial situation and the ones who always put the brunt of the civilian casualties. It's seldom an unrestricted support though, they started using terrorist tactics very early on (the Munich massacre, etc) and never made themselves too appealing to Western eyes. In fact, support for Israel is common among European right wingers who regard Palestinians as too alien civilizationally. But I guess most Europeans share your lack of sympathy for any of both sides.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @German_reader, @Greasy William

    The dirty secret of the Israeli Arab conflict is that, for all the murderous passion it generates, the overwhelming majority of humanity really doesn’t care either way. One side could literally genocide the other and I seriously think that 90% of all people in the world (outside of Jews and Arabs/Muslims, I mean) wouldn’t give a shit.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Greasy William

    No, I don't think the level of indifference is that high. If one side went fully genocidal people would care.

    Btw, I'm not sure how serious you are about those Gog and Magog predictions, probably not much, but the other day I actually checked some of the literature you cited and I don't understand where your Ecclesiastes calculations come from. You mentioned "28 epics in the book of Ecclesiastes. 214 years of history for each epic" but I don't see any of that in several online Ecclesiastes resources I consulted, for example here: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes%201&version=NIV

    Not that I've read the whole thing but it doesn't seem to contain anything of what you talked about. Are you sure you're using the right sources for your prophecies or is it all just a joke?

    Replies: @Greasy William

  134. @AP
    @Coconuts


    People in Eastern/Central Europe who have duskier complexions or maybe look more central Asian might be able to avoid it, if they could be placed in the Latino or Asian by looks category in the US.
     
    A friend from my university days, back in the early 90s, was from one of the former Soviet republics between Russia and Iran. When he got a US drivers license he listed his race as Caucasian. The woman working there disputed that he was Caucasian, inquiring if perhaps he was Hispanic. His response -

    “If I’m not Caucasian, then who is Caucasian”?

    I sometimes see his name in the news when his country does something newsworthy.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    I sometimes see his name in the news when his country does something newsworthy.

    A very close and prominent friend of the Aliyev family who rules over Azerbaijan?

  135. @AP
    @Coconuts


    People in Eastern/Central Europe who have duskier complexions or maybe look more central Asian might be able to avoid it, if they could be placed in the Latino or Asian by looks category in the US.
     
    A friend from my university days, back in the early 90s, was from one of the former Soviet republics between Russia and Iran. When he got a US drivers license he listed his race as Caucasian. The woman working there disputed that he was Caucasian, inquiring if perhaps he was Hispanic. His response -

    “If I’m not Caucasian, then who is Caucasian”?

    I sometimes see his name in the news when his country does something newsworthy.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    BTW, interesting story: When my mom went to the doctor’s office (I think that it was the doctor’s office, at least) and one of the paperwork asked about race, my mom inquired as to what “Caucasian” means. My parents are originally from Russia, so it’s a completely understandable question because from a Russian perspective, “Caucasian” means someone from the Caucasus. The Korean lady/secretary who was speaking to my mother moved her mouth near my mom’s ear, covered her mouth with her hand, and extremely quietly said “White”.

  136. @German_reader
    @Mikel

    Earlier this evening I came out of the railway station in my shithole city and outside there was one of those digital advertising columns (hope that's the right word, not sure), featuring this official announcement from the Bundestag:


    The German Bundestag
    Solidarity with Israel
    The German Bundestag stands firmly and determinedly on the side of Israel and her people
     
    Just ridiculous.

    In fact, support for Israel is common among European right wingers who regard Palestinians as too alien civilizationally.
     
    They are idiots. I can't say I like Palestinians on a personal level, and yes, their nihilistic terroristic tactics have always been pretty repellent. But Israel is still in the wrong with its occupation and colonization policies. There is nothing to be gained by supporting expansionist Zionism either, diaspora Jews will still keep pushing their anti-nationalist bs for everybody else, and if one's unlucky one will be dragged into a catastrophic Mideast war. Really have nothing but contempt for those pro-Israel right-wingers and their bloodthirsty fantasies.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    They are idiots. I can’t say I like Palestinians on a personal level, and yes, their nihilistic terroristic tactics have always been pretty repellent. But Israel is still in the wrong with its occupation and colonization policies. There is nothing to be gained by supporting expansionist Zionism either, diaspora Jews will still keep pushing their anti-nationalist bs for everybody else, and if one’s unlucky one will be dragged into a catastrophic Mideast war. Really have nothing but contempt for those pro-Israel right-wingers and their bloodthirsty fantasies.

    The way that I see it, Israeli right-wingers have several flaws:

    1. Their treatment of the Palestinians
    2. Their treatment of Israelis of Jewish descent who aren’t halakhically Jewish (some of them wanted to cancel Israel’s Law of Return’s Grandchild Clause before Israel’s version of 9/11 occurred, when these plans were quietly shelved indefinitely)
    3. The refusal of Ultra-Orthodox Jewish men to work a lot or to do military service (they prefer engaging in Torah study while eating kosher Twinkies lol)

  137. @German_reader
    @Barbarossa


    Grave of the Fireflies
     
    I've heard of it. Don't think I'm going to watch it though, doesn't sound very cheerful.

    Haven't read anything specifically about the American bombing campaign against Japan. I did read John Dower's War without mercy about the Pacific war more generally. Found it annoying in parts with its somewhat preachy antiracism tbh, but it contains a lot of interesting information (also about the Japanese and how they perceived the war and subject peoples in their conquered territories).
    Regarding the air war in Europe I liked Richard Overy's The bombing war, which deals with pretty much everything one could ask for (even subjects that are usually neglected, like German bombing in the Soviet Union or the impact of the air war on Italy). Haven't seen anything more profound since, most of the opinions one reads on the subject aren't very interesting anyway, either justifying bombing as collective punishment or condemning it as war crimes...if you've seen one argument of either type, you've seen them all.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    John Dower’s War without mercy about the Pacific war more generally. Found it annoying in parts with its somewhat preachy antiracism

    The conceit of that book is bogus– the Japanese got lighter post-war treatment than Germans. Probably has to do with this, but Dowers is not going to touch that subject.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_settlement_in_the_Japanese_Empire

    Beijing in 1939 under Japanese occupation. Yeah, brutal, sadistic

    This was the Zhongnanhai pool, open to public. Ten years later CCP liberated it and became Mao’s private pool. Which he used to take advantage of Khrushchev.

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/khrushchev-in-water-wings-on-mao-humiliation-and-the-sino-soviet-split-80852370/

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

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    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSqvTJZMF7NVJa7dkJvluaTkK__qLS433QHcw&usqp.jpg

  138. @A123
    @Barbarossa


    Well, there always is the preterist interpretation that looks at the book of Revelation as describing events in the first century that have already occurred.
     
    Hmmm... If we are past Revelations, is this Purgatory?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    All political indications point to “yes”, LOL.

    More seriously though, I think that people obsessing over Revelations is a waste of time. Things will happen how they happen when they happen regardless of how much one worries over it. I refuse to give much spiritual/ brain space to worrying about the end of the world.

    Jesus gave plenty of actionable instructions on how to relate to others and God which should take way more precedence in people’s minds than geeking out over prophecy, especially since 100% of those who have predicted the end of the world have been wrong thus far. Prophecy obsession can be a dangerous distraction for a lot of Christians.

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Barbarossa


    More seriously though, I think that people obsessing over Revelations is a waste of time. Things will happen how they happen when they happen regardless of how much one worries over it. I refuse to give much spiritual/ brain space to worrying about the end of the world.
     
    My favorite is Revelation-based prophecy is one I heard from Bart Ehrman, about a certain Edgar Whisenant, who wrote a book "88 Reasons Why The Rapture Will Be In 1988." (Apparently it sold a couple million copies - I'm in the wrong biz!) He'd gotten the date of Jesus's return down to from 11th to 13th September, 1988. When people pointed out that scripture said "no man knows the hour or the day of Christ's return," he replied, "I don't know the hour or the day - I just know the week." :)
  139. @Greasy William
    @Mikel

    The dirty secret of the Israeli Arab conflict is that, for all the murderous passion it generates, the overwhelming majority of humanity really doesn't care either way. One side could literally genocide the other and I seriously think that 90% of all people in the world (outside of Jews and Arabs/Muslims, I mean) wouldn't give a shit.

    Replies: @Mikel

    No, I don’t think the level of indifference is that high. If one side went fully genocidal people would care.

    Btw, I’m not sure how serious you are about those Gog and Magog predictions, probably not much, but the other day I actually checked some of the literature you cited and I don’t understand where your Ecclesiastes calculations come from. You mentioned “28 epics in the book of Ecclesiastes. 214 years of history for each epic” but I don’t see any of that in several online Ecclesiastes resources I consulted, for example here: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes%201&version=NIV

    Not that I’ve read the whole thing but it doesn’t seem to contain anything of what you talked about. Are you sure you’re using the right sources for your prophecies or is it all just a joke?

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Mikel


    No, I don’t think the level of indifference is that high. If one side went fully genocidal people would care.
     
    I think you overestimate humanity. But if your right, that's a good thing, I guess.

    Not that I’ve read the whole thing but it doesn’t seem to contain anything of what you talked about.
     
    Some of the prophecies I understand and some of them I really don't. I admit that I don't get the Ecclesiates one. I also don't get the the one about why Gog and Magog has to happen in either 2027 or 2030.

    I base my predictions on a few things:
    1. Even if the prophecies are bullshit, Magog is 100%, without a doubt, Russia. The Magogites are uncircumcised Indo Europeans from the remotest part of the north, and Moscow metro and Jerusalem metro latitudinally overlap. Magog is clearly Russia and anyone who says otherwise is gay.
    2. The Vilna Gaon said that the first signal that Gog/Magog was coming would be the Russian invasion of Crimea (although he admittedly also said some other stuff about Turkey that doesn't seem to apply, at least not yet)
    3. That Al Asqua Flood was as successful as it was could only have happened via Divine intervention. This is indisputable. There is no way that even an organization as incompetent as the IDF could have fucked up that catastrophically purely by chance.
    4. The level of antisemitism that has erupted in the Western world since Oct 7th is completely unprecedented. The hatred has truly reached genocidal proportions and it absolutely is not limited to the Arab and Muslim populations residing in the Western countries, in fact it seems to be the strongest among the white far left. I myself have already lost two white American friends who have gone completely out of their minds with antisemitic rage since the massacre on the 7th. This level of antisemitism means that something big is coming, and coming soon.
    5. The Zohar says that the war of Gog and Magog begins via a massive Ishmaelite attack on the Jewish people in the Land of Israel at the end of Sukkot.
    6. Gog and Magog is supposed to happen before the year 5800 on the Jewish calendar
    7. There were 15 judges of biblical Israel before a proper kingdom was formed. The 4th judge was a woman. A biblical judge was extremely similar to what we today call a prime minister. The fourth PM of the modern state of Israel was a woman. Bibi is the 15th PM of the state of Israel.
    8. Russia is clearly gearing up for a confrontation with Israel. Judaism has always held that Russia is the Third Rome (and Russia has always regarded itself as such). The United States is in terminal decline but it isn't dead yet; a Russian confrontation with Israel means a Russian confrontation with the United States. And a Russian confrontation with the United States means a nuclear exchange.

    To me that's a pretty convincing case. And that's without even adding the stuff that I don't get but sounds legit when I listen to others explain it.

    Replies: @Mikel, @ShortOnTime

  140. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @German_reader


    John Dower’s War without mercy about the Pacific war more generally. Found it annoying in parts with its somewhat preachy antiracism
     
    The conceit of that book is bogus-- the Japanese got lighter post-war treatment than Germans. Probably has to do with this, but Dowers is not going to touch that subject.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_settlement_in_the_Japanese_Empire

    Beijing in 1939 under Japanese occupation. Yeah, brutal, sadistic

    https://i.postimg.cc/0jhSPkTR/351336678-1189974401650984-4882577080419282942-n.jpg

    https://i.postimg.cc/J4Jx0vPc/351805371-791258149107324-6273210394278445345-n.jpg

    This was the Zhongnanhai pool, open to public. Ten years later CCP liberated it and became Mao's private pool. Which he used to take advantage of Khrushchev.

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/khrushchev-in-water-wings-on-mao-humiliation-and-the-sino-soviet-split-80852370/

    https://twitter.com/zhu0588/status/1715117553331396974

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  142. @Mikel
    @Greasy William

    No, I don't think the level of indifference is that high. If one side went fully genocidal people would care.

    Btw, I'm not sure how serious you are about those Gog and Magog predictions, probably not much, but the other day I actually checked some of the literature you cited and I don't understand where your Ecclesiastes calculations come from. You mentioned "28 epics in the book of Ecclesiastes. 214 years of history for each epic" but I don't see any of that in several online Ecclesiastes resources I consulted, for example here: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes%201&version=NIV

    Not that I've read the whole thing but it doesn't seem to contain anything of what you talked about. Are you sure you're using the right sources for your prophecies or is it all just a joke?

    Replies: @Greasy William

    No, I don’t think the level of indifference is that high. If one side went fully genocidal people would care.

    I think you overestimate humanity. But if your right, that’s a good thing, I guess.

    Not that I’ve read the whole thing but it doesn’t seem to contain anything of what you talked about.

    Some of the prophecies I understand and some of them I really don’t. I admit that I don’t get the Ecclesiates one. I also don’t get the the one about why Gog and Magog has to happen in either 2027 or 2030.

    I base my predictions on a few things:
    1. Even if the prophecies are bullshit, Magog is 100%, without a doubt, Russia. The Magogites are uncircumcised Indo Europeans from the remotest part of the north, and Moscow metro and Jerusalem metro latitudinally overlap. Magog is clearly Russia and anyone who says otherwise is gay.
    2. The Vilna Gaon said that the first signal that Gog/Magog was coming would be the Russian invasion of Crimea (although he admittedly also said some other stuff about Turkey that doesn’t seem to apply, at least not yet)
    3. That Al Asqua Flood was as successful as it was could only have happened via Divine intervention. This is indisputable. There is no way that even an organization as incompetent as the IDF could have fucked up that catastrophically purely by chance.
    4. The level of antisemitism that has erupted in the Western world since Oct 7th is completely unprecedented. The hatred has truly reached genocidal proportions and it absolutely is not limited to the Arab and Muslim populations residing in the Western countries, in fact it seems to be the strongest among the white far left. I myself have already lost two white American friends who have gone completely out of their minds with antisemitic rage since the massacre on the 7th. This level of antisemitism means that something big is coming, and coming soon.
    5. The Zohar says that the war of Gog and Magog begins via a massive Ishmaelite attack on the Jewish people in the Land of Israel at the end of Sukkot.
    6. Gog and Magog is supposed to happen before the year 5800 on the Jewish calendar
    7. There were 15 judges of biblical Israel before a proper kingdom was formed. The 4th judge was a woman. A biblical judge was extremely similar to what we today call a prime minister. The fourth PM of the modern state of Israel was a woman. Bibi is the 15th PM of the state of Israel.
    8. Russia is clearly gearing up for a confrontation with Israel. Judaism has always held that Russia is the Third Rome (and Russia has always regarded itself as such). The United States is in terminal decline but it isn’t dead yet; a Russian confrontation with Israel means a Russian confrontation with the United States. And a Russian confrontation with the United States means a nuclear exchange.

    To me that’s a pretty convincing case. And that’s without even adding the stuff that I don’t get but sounds legit when I listen to others explain it.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Greasy William

    You're obviously kidding. I checked Ecclesiastes because it looked like an easy one to verify lol.

    Anyway, this thing with some American lefties demonstrating against Israel must be primarily an action-reaction phenomenon. You can't have these levels of high volume, non-stop pro-Israel propaganda going on without some people going bananas in the opposite direction. It's a natural human reaction. In fact, I had to stop watching the Republican debate for the same reason. Netanyahu is an innocent dove compared to most Republicans. And I don't know what's left to say for these candidates on the rest of the issues, especially when they don't get to confront the big showman.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @ShortOnTime
    @Greasy William

    I don't think you should be so scared of Russia. IIRC, Bibi said that he thought Putin was smart and sophisticated.

    Btw, I can't believe I ever thought about buying a book about Netanyahu's own personal memoirs a few years ago lol. Especially since they're incomplete now anyway.


    The level of antisemitism that has erupted in the Western world since Oct 7th is completely unprecedented. The hatred has truly reached genocidal proportions and it absolutely is not limited to the Arab and Muslim populations residing in the Western countries, in fact it seems to be the strongest among the white far left.

     

    I find it amusing lol. You're absolutely right that those most opposed to Jews/Israel are actually Leftists and Jihad minded Muslims.

    The problem is that the Holocaust and other such "education" doesn't work on those groups. Leftists just throw the Holocaust and Jewish victimhood right back at Jews in their left-wing ideological paradigms ("Jews and Israel are the real Nazis"). Muslims never really cared about the Holocaust anyway.

    But the whole "anti-Semitism" term is ridiculous since Semitism/Semitic literally refers to the ethnic/racial community of Semites or Semitic peoples. That includes all Arabs with even Ethiopians and Somalis. So by this logic Jews are anti-Semitic insofar as they're anti-Arab and also anti-Ethiopian (the lost tribes of Israel issue in Africa needs more research) since Jews are anti-goyim in general. It's also questionable to what extent Jews are actually "Semitic" at all since there's Khazarian and European admixture (I'm not sure about how true Palestinian claims of Jewish settlers just being Poles and Hungarians of the Jewish faith is true either).

    "Free Free Palestine, Palestine will be free from the River to the Sea" could be added to "Holocaust no excuse for Palestine" after all, since the latter is connected to the former.

    But for anyone that's not Jewish or Muslim to dip their toes into Israel-Palestine is foolish, myself included.

    Btw, I would do Abigail Shapiro, but not beyond one night, since even the way Ben Shapiro talks is obnoxious enough and that sort of thing runs in the family.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @German_reader

  143. German_reader says:

    Greasy William’s comment inspired me to do some googling and I found this gem:
    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/current-events-in-ukraine-the-vilna-gaon-on-moshiach/

    Contains some funny stuff about Ukraine too:

    Historically the Ukrainian and Russian people have not treated Jews well. Stalin killed more people than Hitler; they were both evil. Vladamir Putin, the current leader of Russia, seems to approve of Stalin. Both the Russians and the Ukrainians are guilty of murdering many Jews. Having a JINO (Jew In Name Only) president, does not whitewash the horrible crimes of the Ukrainian people against the Jews. Forgetting the crimes perpetrated against our people is a disgrace to the memory of our holy martyrs who died in G-d’s name על קידוש השם.

    (1648-1657), Khmelnytsky Pogroms Cossacks, Crimean Tatars – murdered 30,000 Jews and completely destroyed 300 Jewish communities. From 1888 until today there is a “hero’s” statue dedicated to the honor or Bohdan Khmelnytsky (the murderer of Jews. Since 2001 it is registered as a monument of national importance. It is located in Kyviv and is the symbol of the city (I pray that a Russian rocket will blow it up soon). It’s a symbol of shame.

    • LOL: ShortOnTime, Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader

    That's quite a monument.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%2C_%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BC%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA_%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%83_%D0%A5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%83.jpg/1024px-%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%2C_%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BC%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA_%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%83_%D0%A5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%83.jpg

    Nothing in wikipedia about cossack pogroms. The original inscription said something something unified Russia and it has been covered up.

    , @ShortOnTime
    @German_reader

    That has to be the most powerful links I've ever scrolled through.

    But to continue from the previous thread, I think Silviosilver clarified he was actually not a Serb but a Yugoslav. The more one researches Serbia/Yugoslavia the more one realizes those are 2 incompatible nationalities.

    Lots of interesting things can be said about Serbia. When one looks at all the types out there on Twitter/X focused on Serbia/Balkans, I wouldn't blame Serbs for being "nutters". Like imagine being exposed to types like that Gunther Fehlinger guy who became famous after calling to dismantle "genocide BRICS" and dismember Brazil and India, he even posted maps of alternative separatist statelets on "ex-Brazil" and "ex-India". Before becoming more famous for that I think he just constantly called on Serbia to be sanctioned, bombed, "Genocide Serbia" every single Tweet, etc. Crazy calls for constant NATO expansion and Atlanticist zealotry. He might be some sort of purposeful troll since he's from Austria but could be part of some prominent NATO/Euro-Atlantic Committee. IIRC, some time ago some Serbs doxxed Gunther's home address and the Austrian police responded in a thread to his complaint that they didn't take him seriously and he should just calm down. There is that saying that the Balkans begins in Austria.

    Otherwise Serbia's ties to Russia are obviously strongly rooted in Orthodox Christianity and historical-political connections over at least the last 2-3 centuries. Regarding current Serbia, I feel it will either end like Carthage in the 3rd Punic War (Carthaginian complaints about Numidian encroachment ignored; Serbia and Kosovo Albanians with surprisingly many Cato equivalents out there calling for Serbia to be destroyed) or really just sack of Carthage in 146 BC (Baghdad 2003 is a less severe but more recent version), or Serbia will somehow make a major turnaround like September 15th, 1918 when Serbia broke through the Macedonian front and had its moment sort of close to Balkan hegemony (thrown away with Yugoslavia of course). I was reminded of the latter as I brushed up on my WW1 history of Eastern Europe for the discussion with AP by reading a WW1 book. Serbia's breakthrough with the Entente in Macedonia is underrated since it was almost like reverse Gavrilo Princip assassination that triggered a WW1 spiral as the Macedonian breakthrough led to a WW1 winding down spiral instead.

    I tried reading Rebecca West's Black Lamb and Grey Falcon a few years ago too but it was ridiculously long. Got stuck somewhere around the Adriatic Coast. Although it's a work about history, it's also some prominent English woman's travel monologue and she has firmly pro-Jewish and anti-German opinions in the inter-war Europe context. She stands out for having pro-Serb sympathies, which fell out of fashion in the West long ago, of course.

    Regarding Serbia and Kosovo after some browsing, in the current climate it feels like this isn't even newsworthy anymore:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banjska_attack

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  144. @German_reader
    Greasy William's comment inspired me to do some googling and I found this gem:
    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/current-events-in-ukraine-the-vilna-gaon-on-moshiach/

    Contains some funny stuff about Ukraine too:

    Historically the Ukrainian and Russian people have not treated Jews well. Stalin killed more people than Hitler; they were both evil. Vladamir Putin, the current leader of Russia, seems to approve of Stalin. Both the Russians and the Ukrainians are guilty of murdering many Jews. Having a JINO (Jew In Name Only) president, does not whitewash the horrible crimes of the Ukrainian people against the Jews. Forgetting the crimes perpetrated against our people is a disgrace to the memory of our holy martyrs who died in G-d’s name על קידוש השם.

    (1648-1657), Khmelnytsky Pogroms Cossacks, Crimean Tatars – murdered 30,000 Jews and completely destroyed 300 Jewish communities. From 1888 until today there is a “hero’s” statue dedicated to the honor or Bohdan Khmelnytsky (the murderer of Jews. Since 2001 it is registered as a monument of national importance. It is located in Kyviv and is the symbol of the city (I pray that a Russian rocket will blow it up soon). It’s a symbol of shame.

     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @ShortOnTime

    That’s quite a monument.

    Nothing in wikipedia about cossack pogroms. The original inscription said something something unified Russia and it has been covered up.

  145. When you are living in a politically repressive society and cannot speak freely without fear of retribution its important to learn to express yourself elliptically and with tactful ambiguity.

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  146. @Greasy William
    @Mikel


    No, I don’t think the level of indifference is that high. If one side went fully genocidal people would care.
     
    I think you overestimate humanity. But if your right, that's a good thing, I guess.

    Not that I’ve read the whole thing but it doesn’t seem to contain anything of what you talked about.
     
    Some of the prophecies I understand and some of them I really don't. I admit that I don't get the Ecclesiates one. I also don't get the the one about why Gog and Magog has to happen in either 2027 or 2030.

    I base my predictions on a few things:
    1. Even if the prophecies are bullshit, Magog is 100%, without a doubt, Russia. The Magogites are uncircumcised Indo Europeans from the remotest part of the north, and Moscow metro and Jerusalem metro latitudinally overlap. Magog is clearly Russia and anyone who says otherwise is gay.
    2. The Vilna Gaon said that the first signal that Gog/Magog was coming would be the Russian invasion of Crimea (although he admittedly also said some other stuff about Turkey that doesn't seem to apply, at least not yet)
    3. That Al Asqua Flood was as successful as it was could only have happened via Divine intervention. This is indisputable. There is no way that even an organization as incompetent as the IDF could have fucked up that catastrophically purely by chance.
    4. The level of antisemitism that has erupted in the Western world since Oct 7th is completely unprecedented. The hatred has truly reached genocidal proportions and it absolutely is not limited to the Arab and Muslim populations residing in the Western countries, in fact it seems to be the strongest among the white far left. I myself have already lost two white American friends who have gone completely out of their minds with antisemitic rage since the massacre on the 7th. This level of antisemitism means that something big is coming, and coming soon.
    5. The Zohar says that the war of Gog and Magog begins via a massive Ishmaelite attack on the Jewish people in the Land of Israel at the end of Sukkot.
    6. Gog and Magog is supposed to happen before the year 5800 on the Jewish calendar
    7. There were 15 judges of biblical Israel before a proper kingdom was formed. The 4th judge was a woman. A biblical judge was extremely similar to what we today call a prime minister. The fourth PM of the modern state of Israel was a woman. Bibi is the 15th PM of the state of Israel.
    8. Russia is clearly gearing up for a confrontation with Israel. Judaism has always held that Russia is the Third Rome (and Russia has always regarded itself as such). The United States is in terminal decline but it isn't dead yet; a Russian confrontation with Israel means a Russian confrontation with the United States. And a Russian confrontation with the United States means a nuclear exchange.

    To me that's a pretty convincing case. And that's without even adding the stuff that I don't get but sounds legit when I listen to others explain it.

    Replies: @Mikel, @ShortOnTime

    You’re obviously kidding. I checked Ecclesiastes because it looked like an easy one to verify lol.

    Anyway, this thing with some American lefties demonstrating against Israel must be primarily an action-reaction phenomenon. You can’t have these levels of high volume, non-stop pro-Israel propaganda going on without some people going bananas in the opposite direction. It’s a natural human reaction. In fact, I had to stop watching the Republican debate for the same reason. Netanyahu is an innocent dove compared to most Republicans. And I don’t know what’s left to say for these candidates on the rest of the issues, especially when they don’t get to confront the big showman.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mikel


    In fact, I had to stop watching the Republican debate for the same reason.
     
    They want war with Iran. Which would be an absolute disaster, a lot worse than Iraq, and might be the final nail in the coffin of America's ever so benevolent hegemony. Also a good chance it will turn out very badly for Jews in the end since their ethnocentric lobbying efforts would be correctly identified as having played a major role in bringing about such a catastrophe.

    Replies: @A123, @Mikel

  147. I’ll reply from the previous thread on key points and cutting out blockquotes, partly to save space. Let’s try keep it chronological.

    Your reference to a Suzdal prince sacking Kiev is a bit of a, well so what? Turns out the princes of Chernigov and Smolensk took part too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Kiev_(1169)

    The Rus realm fragmented into civil war for most of the 12th century. This was typical for most Medieval European realms like England, France, Holy Roman Empire, Italy and etc. Making this the basis for some kind of ancient Russian-Ukrainian schism is nonsensical. It’s perhaps similar to some kind of neo-Burgundian nationalism against France (at least Burgundy was a tribe and then Kingdom clearly distinct from France at different points in time, migrations at fall of Western Roman Empire and again at 15th century peak of Burgundian Kingdom just before its fall) or Catalan separatism against Spain. Perhaps even Canada vs USA since such hypothetical analogies (especially geopolitical alignment and foreign great power military alliances) about USA invading Canada devolving into trench war with Canadians then harping on about “ancient Canadian nationhood” sounding completely ridiculous and citing things like the War of 1812 (Canadian genesis only began in 19th century and Canadian distinction in WW1 participation along with French Quebec are only remarkable things about Canada historically, honestly). The 4chan analogy of a botched American invasion of Mexico to the current Ukraine War is apples and oranges comparison though, since Russia is not USA and Ukraine isn’t Mexico. Analogies can only be taken so far.

    Otherwise, the Rus fragmentation (connected decline of Piast Poland too) explains why Eastern Europe was easy prey for Mongols. Also the whole notion of Russians somehow being more “Asian Muscovite savages” than Ukrainians is nonsense since Ukraine was ruled by Mongols and Tatars for at least several decades and Russia for maybe about 50 or 100 years longer (depends how one counts it).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Kiev_(1240)

    As for Pagan Lithuania, it’s actually very impressive that it punched above its own weight in its era (14th century especially). Repelling multiple invasions and raids from the Teutonic Knights, also exploiting Mongol and Tatar decline to take over Rus lands. Pagan Lithuania was the last Pagan kingdom in Europe until the 15th century (Paganism presumably persisted till 16th century).

    The union with Poland was a catastrophe in hindsight. Guaranteed lots of strife. Likely would’ve been better if Lithuania remained Pagan, but friction with Orthodox and especially Catholics was too much. Even among Lithuanians, there was a significant minority of Orthodox nobles and there were some civil wars contesting the union and Jogaila’s acquiescence to it (some of it was dynastic too admittedly, ie one prince wanted to rule instead of the incumbent without necessarily changing the union). Especially since Poland became the senior partner in the long term. Just one of many below:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_Civil_War_(1389%E2%80%931392)

    Almost everything about the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (PLC) is terrible. Catholic oppression of Orthodox Christians and Casimir III inviting Jews to jointly take part in exploiting subject populations, especially economically. Jesuit invitation too. The only good thing about the PLC was its confrontations with the Ottomans but that’s because the Ottomans chose to try expanding north from Bessarabia/Moldova and Ottoman conquest of Vienna would’ve been unacceptable for PLC (southern Ottoman border expanded).

    The anti-Jewish “pogroms” or really, riots, though pose a major historical riddle. If everyone in Ukraine was always Ukrainian with Russians never being a significant part of Ukraine, then that means Ukraine has an ugly track record of “anti-Semitism” as I saw Norman Finklestein discuss in a video. If the “pogroms” in Ukraine are Russia’s fault, the problem with that is that it means Ukraine is basically legitimately Russian, no matter how “anti-Semitic” one thinks Russians are. Perhaps on the Unz Review it’s easier to say that the “pogroms” have always been exaggerated, especially the ones in the Russian Empire in the few decades before WW1. Really they were just a bunch of street clashes between Jews vs Russians/Ukrainians since Jews had a disproportionate part in fomenting revolutionary unrest against the Tsardom and non-Jews in the Russian Empire had many legitimate grievances against Jews. The total of Jewish “victims” was only anywhere from a few hundred to a few thousand overall. Pogroms weren’t directed by the Russian state as historical evidence in hindsight makes clear. The ones under Bogdan Khmelnitsky since 1648 were significantly larger in scope though (possibly a few 10s of 1000s) since it was a rebellion that morphed into an all out war and the pent up grievances against Jewish moneychangers and theft of Orthodox Church land was much larger and more repressed (Khmelnitsky rebelled over a vicious personal dispute with a Polish noble and the Polish Kings ineffective mediation). There was some chaos in WW1 and the Russian Civil War too. Anyway, the Jewish aspect of this is perhaps the most interesting of all.

    When Russia retook most of Ukraine and Belarus (unlike Russia, Poland-Lithuania weren’t Rus successor states), Polish nobles were tolerated until 19th century Polish rebellions. The Romanovs had notable success in undoing Uniatism in Galicia, Western Ukraine and Belarus. I even took the time to read some of Adam Zamoyski’s works (who’s devotedly pro-PLC), and even he acknowledged in his book Poland: A History, that most of the rebellions against Russia in Lithuania were actually just Polish nobles (until 1860’s iirc, sort of), with Lithuanian peasants having no interest in taking part. Same for Belarus and Ukraine parts with Polish nobles.

    In the 19th century it’s true proto-Ukrainians took some more hold. Really any record of Ukrainians as anything more than regionally distinct “Ruthenians”/”Little Rus” from Russians before 18th century is weak. Although even Putin in his text on the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians acknowledges things like the Elms Ukaz of 1876.

    As for Galicia and WW1, as your own personal example illustrates, the mental and psychological complexes originating from ancestral legacies of religious conversion and one may dare say, apostasy, can be very powerful.

    Regarding Ukraine and the Russian Civil War, reality is Poles and Ukrainians clashed over Galicia with Poland strong-arming Ukrainians to cede Galicia which Ukrainian Rada acceded to since they thought that concession and prospective Polish help against Bolsheviks was worth it. Pretty obvious Poland picked a fight with Bolsheviks and even Whites when it intervened in Ukraine then. Calling Petlyura a Polish lackey may be harsh, but it’s essentially true since before him there were Ukrainian servants of Germany during Germany’s occupation of Ukraine in 1918. Quite sad to think that Ukraine was not only occupied by Germany which lost WW1, but then Poland which only became independent in November 1918 domineered over Ukraine, for the Bolsheviks to then take over Ukraine.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Ukrainian_War

    As for Serbs, your resentment over Austria-Hungary losing WW1 is still palpable (and part of your comment history). Your enthusiasm for Austria’s attack of Serbia is also bizarre. Austria-Hungary attacking Serbia in July 1914 is one of the single worst decisions ever made in European history.

    The big “problem” is that Russian nationalist/”imperial” history takes are mostly true, although some Ukrainian/Ruthenian regional particularism is well rooted. We’re just scratching the surface of this history and it can be discussed endlessly. But that’s perhaps more than enough about history.

    Otherwise, since 2014 it looks like Serbia is actually in better shape than Ukraine as unbelievable as that may have seemed. To a degree, Serbia and Ukraine are inverse tragedies since Western nations can’t suffer Serbia’s ties to Russia while Russians can’t suffer Ukraine’s ties to the West.

    With refugees and returnees, it obviously goes without stating it that the longer the current Ukraine War lasts, the worse the reconstruction and return of emigrants will be. Ukraine obviously isn’t exactly the same as Iraq, Libya, Syria or Serbia/Yugoslavia (Ukraine War seems to have less “ethnic cleansing” in particular, so far at least). Still, nothing suggests Ukraine will have some sort of good recovery as almost 10 million fled in total is terrible, especially a few million Russians to Russia, especially about return of displaced persons. Even economic recovery will have the scandal over seized Russian assets overshadowing it. Not to mention downturns in world economy. Overall, it’s a really sad picture for Ukraine devotees.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @ShortOnTime


    The union with Poland was a catastrophe in hindsight.
     
    Even if formally it was voluntary action, in fact it was matter of strategic necessity, even with the price of near term dynastic clashes. Pagan Lithuania at the time unfortunately was bleeding white from that neverending hundred years war of Northern Crusades (not only Teutonic, but whole Christian European warring nobility was pouring into it) and it was ethnic Baltic core suffering the most at the western frontier, which had many significant setbacks in the second half of 14th century, e.g. loss of Kaunas castle, while in the east it didn't have enough strenght left to subjugate and conquer several times besieged Kremlin fortress.

    When dynastic war ended relatively quickly in 1392 and ethnic Lithuanian Vytautas got the Lithuanian native ruler throne, even if formally being subjected to the higher status ruler king Jogaila, joint (Polish+Lithuanian+Slavic) forces several decades later managed to crush Teutonic army in Grunwald battle of 1410, which terminated the mortal threat from Western direction.

    So it was de facto triumphant outcome politically, because it got centuries lasting peace on Western frontier, also Vytautas was like Lukashenko (formally having Belarus union with RF since 1999) on steroids wrt Poland/Jogaila and even Lithuanian state remained politically de facto very separate entity (e.g. refused to join another Polish war against teutonic Prussia in 1454) for several centuries after until it again was strategically forced to go into closer union with Poland in 1569 Lublin, because of Muscovite pressure in Livonian war.

    Replies: @ShortOnTime

    , @AP
    @ShortOnTime


    Your reference to a Suzdal prince sacking Kiev is a bit of a, well so what? Turns out the princes of Chernigov and Smolensk took part too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Kiev_(1169)
     
    It was a coalition of princes led by prince of Suzdal.

    Fighting these proto-Russians were princes of Kiev, Galicia and Volhynia.

    The Suzdalian prince Andrei won, sacked Kiev, brutalized its inhabitants, and placed a puppet on the throne. The puppet and the Suzdalians were disliked by the people of Kiev, who overthrew him.

    Andrei attempted to restore his rule over Kiev but was defeated by a coalition of mostly proto-Ukrainians (Kievans, Volhynians, Galicians).

    The Rus realm fragmented into civil war for most of the 12th century. This was typical for most Medieval European realms like England, France, Holy Roman Empire, Italy and etc. Making this the basis for some kind of ancient Russian-Ukrainian schism is nonsensical
     
    It would be, if anyone made this the basis of anything.

    You like to cherry-pick facts and to make strawmen.

    History moved on. The Ukrainian lands became part of the Rzeczpospolita, a loyal and integral part. The Rus princes of this land continued to fight the Suzdalians (Muscovites) in the 15th and 16th and early 17th centuries. The Volhynian Chronicle described these as wars of Rus versus Muscovites. This Chronicle also classified Muscovites alongside Moldovans as people who are Orthodox but not Rus. In the Battle of Orsha, the combined forces of Poland and Lithuania were led by a Rus prince from Volhynia, Konstanty Ostrogski as they crushed the Muscovite army.

    The war between Rzeczposolita and Muscovy of 1605-1617 (where Moscow was seized) was initiated not by Poles but was a project by Rus princes, the Orthodox Rus Michał Wiśniowiecki and the Sapieha brothers, Rus converts to Catholicism (funny how the Russian and Ukrainian nationalist fairtytales speak of Polish "occupation of Rus lands, when the richest magnates in Poland were not Poles but Rus princes and when these Rus princes, not Poles, directed Eastern policies and war).

    During this war, in 1618 Zaporizhians under Sahaidachny devastated the lands around Moscow.

    Sahaidachny would later fight alongside the Poles and stop the Turks at the massive Battle of Khotyn.

    It’s perhaps similar to some kind of neo-Burgundian nationalism against France (at least Burgundy was a tribe and then Kingdom clearly distinct from France at different points in time, migrations at fall of Western Roman Empire and again at 15th century peak of Burgundian Kingdom
     
    Ukraine was separate from Suzdalia from around 1150 (when Rus fragmented) until 1650 and was then autonomous with its own laws and government until 1760. After that the western 10% was part of Austria while the other 90% was part of Russia, until 1917 when autonomy and brief independence were followed by a separate SSR and full independence in 1991.

    So the period of full integration lasted only 160 years, never included 10% of the country, and ended over 100 years ago.

    Burgundy - lol.

    The Dutch and the Deutsch might be more analogous. Or perhaps the Swedes and the Danes (though the Swedish and Danish languages are closer to each other than Ukrainian is to Russian).

    Also the whole notion of Russians somehow being more “Asian Muscovite savages” than Ukrainians is nonsense since Ukraine was ruled by Mongols and Tatars for at least several decades and Russia for maybe about 50 or 100 years longer (depends how one counts it).
     
    It was not only about time spent under Mongol overlordship. Russia spent twice as long as Ukraine under the rule of the Mongols, but Ukraine was was further, more peripheral, and less influenced by the Mongols during the occupation. The Russian elites intermarried with the Mongols - the ones in Ukraine did not. Russian historian Vernadsky notes that 15%of Russian noble families had Tatar/Mongol origins. Theseincliude Veliaminov-Zernov, Godunov, Arseniev, Bakhmetev, Bulgakov (descendants of Bulgak) and Chaadaev (descendants of Genghis Khan's son Chagatai Khan).

    Moreover, the process by which the Moscow princes came to power was one of selection for obedience to the Mongol overlords. The rebellious ones (such as the Tver princes) were crushed, the loyal ones closest to the Mongols granted more power. And so this is the ethnogenesis of the Russian people and culture - the Rus of Suzdalia under centuries of Mongol rule.

    And the ethnogenesis of the Ukrainian people were the Rus of Kiev, Volhynia and Galicia as part of Poland and/or Lithuania for centuries.

    Almost everything about the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (PLC) is terrible.
     
    According to supporters of Muscovy/Russia, a state that massacred the Novgorodians out of existence, spread serfdom under German masters, and ultimately became the base for Bolshevism that murdered millions.

    Catholic oppression of Orthodox Christians
     
    Is the reverse better?

    You as usual play games with time. In the 18th century, as a backlash to the treason of Khmelnytsky and the loss of much of the Orthodox population, the rump PLC was repressive towards the Orthodox.

    But Orthodoxy flourished during the 17th century PLC. Kiev became an intellectual center of the Orthodox world.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_University_of_Kyiv-Mohyla_Academy#Foundation_of_the_Kyiv-Mohyla_Academy

    When Russia retook most of Ukraine and Belarus (unlike Russia, Poland-Lithuania weren’t Rus successor states)
     
    Poland-Lithuania were the successors of Rus states in what is now Ukraine and Belarus, Russia of Suzdal.

    The last ruler of Kiev before the Mongols was the King of Galicia (who accepted a crown from the Pope) and his descendant married into the Polish royal family. When the family died out the throne passed to Poland. The local Rus princes of Ukraine were magnates of the PLC. One of them even got the Polish throne.

    As for Galicia and WW1, as your own personal example illustrates, the mental and psychological complexes originating from ancestral legacies of religious conversion
     
    Don't confuse Muscovite anti-Westernism with Rus. The Great Schism wasn't popular in Kiev, Daniel of Galicia took a crown from the Pope, the attempted Union of Florence (to unite Catholic and Orthodox in 1431) was popular in Kiev, and the Union of Brest was the work of local bishops.

    The original Rus tradition maintained by people in Ukraine was more open to the West than the later Suzdalian and Muscovite stance.

    Regarding Ukraine and the Russian Civil War, reality is Poles and Ukrainians clashed over Galicia
     
    Yes, both had claims over Galicia and fought over it. But in central Ukraine the Poles and Ukrainians were friendly, because Poland didn't claim those lands.

    Calling Petlyura a Polish lackey may be harsh, but it’s essentially true
     
    He got a better deal from Poland than anyone got from either Reds or Whites.

    Do you think that any weaker ally is a "lackey?" Were all the Western Euro leaders "lackeys" of the USA after World War II?

    As for Serbs, your resentment over Austria-Hungary losing WW1 is still palpable (and part of your comment history). Your enthusiasm for Austria’s attack of Serbia is also bizarre.
     
    I wouldn't call it enthusiasm. Elements of the Serbian government committed a vile act of regicide and terrorism, Austria was fully justified in invading Serbia as the USA was for invading Afghanistan after 9-11.

    Poor Nicholas II, a decent man, allowed his country to go to war for the sake of this regicide. As a result he himself was also murdered, and Russia which went to war for the sake of the evil regicidal Serb regime ended up losing 10s of millions of people in the following decades, as a consequence of that fateful and terrible decision to support Serbia. The Austrian, Hapsburgs, Galicians got off much more lightly in the 20th century than did the Serbs and Russians (and Central/Eastern Ukrainians).

    So Serbia's and Russia's actions were far worse than Austria's.

    Otherwise, since 2014 it looks like Serbia is actually in better shape than Ukraine as unbelievable as that may have seemed.
     
    Being Russia's neighbor is a nasty place to be.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @ShortOnTime


    Your enthusiasm for Austria’s attack of Serbia is also bizarre. Austria-Hungary attacking Serbia in July 1914 is one of the single worst decisions ever made in European history.
     
    AP compares the Franz Ferdinand assassination to 9/11, but WWI would be comparable to a hypothetical subsequent Afghan War that results in *millions* of US soldiers getting killed in Afghanistan, such as if a hypothetical ultra-technologically-advanced China decides to militarily intervene in Afghanistan in this scenario in order to help the Taliban and is willing to fight the US to the very last man. The crucial question would then be whether *millions* (as opposed to "mere" *thousands*) of US deaths to avenge 9/11 would actually be worth it. And of course 9/11 was much worse than the Sarajevo murders, since the former involved 3,000 civilians deaths while the latter only involved two deaths, albeit two deaths of a very high status (so, maybe comparable to 10 or 20 normal civilian deaths, which is still over 100 times less bad than 9/11 was).
  148. @Greasy William
    @Mikel


    No, I don’t think the level of indifference is that high. If one side went fully genocidal people would care.
     
    I think you overestimate humanity. But if your right, that's a good thing, I guess.

    Not that I’ve read the whole thing but it doesn’t seem to contain anything of what you talked about.
     
    Some of the prophecies I understand and some of them I really don't. I admit that I don't get the Ecclesiates one. I also don't get the the one about why Gog and Magog has to happen in either 2027 or 2030.

    I base my predictions on a few things:
    1. Even if the prophecies are bullshit, Magog is 100%, without a doubt, Russia. The Magogites are uncircumcised Indo Europeans from the remotest part of the north, and Moscow metro and Jerusalem metro latitudinally overlap. Magog is clearly Russia and anyone who says otherwise is gay.
    2. The Vilna Gaon said that the first signal that Gog/Magog was coming would be the Russian invasion of Crimea (although he admittedly also said some other stuff about Turkey that doesn't seem to apply, at least not yet)
    3. That Al Asqua Flood was as successful as it was could only have happened via Divine intervention. This is indisputable. There is no way that even an organization as incompetent as the IDF could have fucked up that catastrophically purely by chance.
    4. The level of antisemitism that has erupted in the Western world since Oct 7th is completely unprecedented. The hatred has truly reached genocidal proportions and it absolutely is not limited to the Arab and Muslim populations residing in the Western countries, in fact it seems to be the strongest among the white far left. I myself have already lost two white American friends who have gone completely out of their minds with antisemitic rage since the massacre on the 7th. This level of antisemitism means that something big is coming, and coming soon.
    5. The Zohar says that the war of Gog and Magog begins via a massive Ishmaelite attack on the Jewish people in the Land of Israel at the end of Sukkot.
    6. Gog and Magog is supposed to happen before the year 5800 on the Jewish calendar
    7. There were 15 judges of biblical Israel before a proper kingdom was formed. The 4th judge was a woman. A biblical judge was extremely similar to what we today call a prime minister. The fourth PM of the modern state of Israel was a woman. Bibi is the 15th PM of the state of Israel.
    8. Russia is clearly gearing up for a confrontation with Israel. Judaism has always held that Russia is the Third Rome (and Russia has always regarded itself as such). The United States is in terminal decline but it isn't dead yet; a Russian confrontation with Israel means a Russian confrontation with the United States. And a Russian confrontation with the United States means a nuclear exchange.

    To me that's a pretty convincing case. And that's without even adding the stuff that I don't get but sounds legit when I listen to others explain it.

    Replies: @Mikel, @ShortOnTime

    I don’t think you should be so scared of Russia. IIRC, Bibi said that he thought Putin was smart and sophisticated.

    Btw, I can’t believe I ever thought about buying a book about Netanyahu’s own personal memoirs a few years ago lol. Especially since they’re incomplete now anyway.

    The level of antisemitism that has erupted in the Western world since Oct 7th is completely unprecedented. The hatred has truly reached genocidal proportions and it absolutely is not limited to the Arab and Muslim populations residing in the Western countries, in fact it seems to be the strongest among the white far left.

    I find it amusing lol. You’re absolutely right that those most opposed to Jews/Israel are actually Leftists and Jihad minded Muslims.

    The problem is that the Holocaust and other such “education” doesn’t work on those groups. Leftists just throw the Holocaust and Jewish victimhood right back at Jews in their left-wing ideological paradigms (“Jews and Israel are the real Nazis”). Muslims never really cared about the Holocaust anyway.

    But the whole “anti-Semitism” term is ridiculous since Semitism/Semitic literally refers to the ethnic/racial community of Semites or Semitic peoples. That includes all Arabs with even Ethiopians and Somalis. So by this logic Jews are anti-Semitic insofar as they’re anti-Arab and also anti-Ethiopian (the lost tribes of Israel issue in Africa needs more research) since Jews are anti-goyim in general. It’s also questionable to what extent Jews are actually “Semitic” at all since there’s Khazarian and European admixture (I’m not sure about how true Palestinian claims of Jewish settlers just being Poles and Hungarians of the Jewish faith is true either).

    “Free Free Palestine, Palestine will be free from the River to the Sea” could be added to “Holocaust no excuse for Palestine” after all, since the latter is connected to the former.

    But for anyone that’s not Jewish or Muslim to dip their toes into Israel-Palestine is foolish, myself included.

    Btw, I would do Abigail Shapiro, but not beyond one night, since even the way Ben Shapiro talks is obnoxious enough and that sort of thing runs in the family.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @ShortOnTime


    Btw, I would do Abigail Shapiro
     
    So you admit that you hate Jews.

    I have tried so hard to see what some people see in her. I've even tried turning my head sideways. I admit that she looks like she may have been somewhat cute when she was like 18 or 19, but I really do find her homely now.

    And I've got weird tastes, too. I think that young Julie Kavner (voice of Marge Simpson) was cute. I like Jenny Slate and Ilana Glazer, who I suspect most men would find gross. I was a big fan of pre nose job Jennifer Grey. I even think that a young Hannah Arendt is kinda hot. But I just can't see anything appealing about Shapiro.

    And having sat through a couple of her vids, I can also confirm that she is really fucking annoying.

    since Jews are anti-goyim in general
     
    It's really not true. I'd admit it if it was. There are a lot of bad things you can say about Jews but Jews aren't goy haters. A lot of us hate Ishmaelites but that's as far as it goes.

    But the whole “anti-Semitism” term is ridiculous since Semitism/Semitic literally refers to the ethnic/racial community of Semites or Semitic peoples
     
    It was a term born during the era of scientific racism that was supposed to sound more palatable than "Jew Hater". Although the term made no sense for the reason you said above, it stuck around and it isn't going anywhere.

    The problem is that the Holocaust and other such “education” doesn’t work on those groups
     
    I do think Holocaust is the greatest crime in human history and I believe that Holocaust education is important, but the Boomer fixation on it has always felt irrelevant to me as a Millenial. I was raised Christian and when we had our big Holocaust learning in 7th grade I just remember thinking, "dude, I don't care". I agreed that it was awful but I didn't get why I needed to hear so much about it and I certainly didn't see what relevance it had to the Middle East. Even the Jewish kids in my class didn't seem to particularly care, at least not until we saw the camp footage (which bothered me too), and even that they got over pretty quick (so did I).

    I don’t think you should be so scared of Russia. IIRC, Bibi said that he thought Putin was smart and sophisticated.
     
    Bibi is an idiot and I can't believe that people can't tell that Russia is redirecting it's attention to Israel. Israel had some utility for Putin when he was trying to maintain detente with America. That's over now and Putin sees Israel as the greatest weak point of the US imperium and Putin intends to go after it with all means available to him.

    Putin didn't publicly meet with Hamas in Moscow only days after the slaughter because he has poor judgement. He wants to signal that he is the real leader of the anti Israel bloc and that he is the only hope Ishmael (and white leftists, I guess) have of annihilating Israel. China taking Israel off all of its maps, sending ships to the Mediterranean and starting an antisemitic campaign on Chinese social media also isn't just a coincidence. The Russia/Iran/China bloc is clearly prepping for a showdown with the United States. I truly don't understand how anyone can deny it.

    But for anyone that’s not Jewish or Muslim to dip their toes into Israel-Palestine is foolish, myself included.
     
    Considering it's about to cause WWIII, I think it's relevant to everyone.

    Btw, I can’t believe I ever thought about buying a book about Netanyahu’s own personal memoirs a few years ago lol.
     
    Why would you want to read the memoirs of a guy who is notorious for lying about everything? Just make up your own and pretend that Bibi wrote them; they'd likely be more entertaining and more accurate

    Replies: @ShortOnTime

    , @German_reader
    @ShortOnTime


    The problem is that the Holocaust and other such “education” doesn’t work on those groups.
     
    But what is the logic why it should "work"? Should the Holocaust give Israel a free get out of jail card for its creeping annexation of territory inhabited by other people and the associated occupation regime? Because criticism of that can't be anything but irrational hatred? These arguments all fall apart on closer inspection.

    But the whole “anti-Semitism” term is ridiculous
     
    That argument is pretty tired, antisemitism has a clear meaning as anti-Jewish ideology (on an ethnic/racial basis), it has never signified anything else since the term came into existence in the late 19th century.

    But for anyone that’s not Jewish or Muslim to dip their toes into Israel-Palestine is foolish, myself included.
     
    I'd prefer not to get involved in this conflict myself (since both sides are highly unappealing from my pov), but unfortunately it's not really possible not to have an opinion in it, given Western ties to Israel and negative repercussions of the conflict for the rest of the world.

    Regarding your points about Serbia, I don't think one should take Fehlinger seriously, the man is a meme character.


    She stands out for having pro-Serb sympathies, which fell out of fashion in the West long
     
    Yes, that was common until the 1990s. tbh I don't think it was any more justified than the subsequent one-sided demonization of Serbs.

    Replies: @ShortOnTime

  149. @German_reader
    Greasy William's comment inspired me to do some googling and I found this gem:
    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/current-events-in-ukraine-the-vilna-gaon-on-moshiach/

    Contains some funny stuff about Ukraine too:

    Historically the Ukrainian and Russian people have not treated Jews well. Stalin killed more people than Hitler; they were both evil. Vladamir Putin, the current leader of Russia, seems to approve of Stalin. Both the Russians and the Ukrainians are guilty of murdering many Jews. Having a JINO (Jew In Name Only) president, does not whitewash the horrible crimes of the Ukrainian people against the Jews. Forgetting the crimes perpetrated against our people is a disgrace to the memory of our holy martyrs who died in G-d’s name על קידוש השם.

    (1648-1657), Khmelnytsky Pogroms Cossacks, Crimean Tatars – murdered 30,000 Jews and completely destroyed 300 Jewish communities. From 1888 until today there is a “hero’s” statue dedicated to the honor or Bohdan Khmelnytsky (the murderer of Jews. Since 2001 it is registered as a monument of national importance. It is located in Kyviv and is the symbol of the city (I pray that a Russian rocket will blow it up soon). It’s a symbol of shame.

     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @ShortOnTime

    That has to be the most powerful links I’ve ever scrolled through.

    But to continue from the previous thread, I think Silviosilver clarified he was actually not a Serb but a Yugoslav. The more one researches Serbia/Yugoslavia the more one realizes those are 2 incompatible nationalities.

    Lots of interesting things can be said about Serbia. When one looks at all the types out there on Twitter/X focused on Serbia/Balkans, I wouldn’t blame Serbs for being “nutters”. Like imagine being exposed to types like that Gunther Fehlinger guy who became famous after calling to dismantle “genocide BRICS” and dismember Brazil and India, he even posted maps of alternative separatist statelets on “ex-Brazil” and “ex-India”. Before becoming more famous for that I think he just constantly called on Serbia to be sanctioned, bombed, “Genocide Serbia” every single Tweet, etc. Crazy calls for constant NATO expansion and Atlanticist zealotry. He might be some sort of purposeful troll since he’s from Austria but could be part of some prominent NATO/Euro-Atlantic Committee. IIRC, some time ago some Serbs doxxed Gunther’s home address and the Austrian police responded in a thread to his complaint that they didn’t take him seriously and he should just calm down. There is that saying that the Balkans begins in Austria.

    Otherwise Serbia’s ties to Russia are obviously strongly rooted in Orthodox Christianity and historical-political connections over at least the last 2-3 centuries. Regarding current Serbia, I feel it will either end like Carthage in the 3rd Punic War (Carthaginian complaints about Numidian encroachment ignored; Serbia and Kosovo Albanians with surprisingly many Cato equivalents out there calling for Serbia to be destroyed) or really just sack of Carthage in 146 BC (Baghdad 2003 is a less severe but more recent version), or Serbia will somehow make a major turnaround like September 15th, 1918 when Serbia broke through the Macedonian front and had its moment sort of close to Balkan hegemony (thrown away with Yugoslavia of course). I was reminded of the latter as I brushed up on my WW1 history of Eastern Europe for the discussion with AP by reading a WW1 book. Serbia’s breakthrough with the Entente in Macedonia is underrated since it was almost like reverse Gavrilo Princip assassination that triggered a WW1 spiral as the Macedonian breakthrough led to a WW1 winding down spiral instead.

    I tried reading Rebecca West’s Black Lamb and Grey Falcon a few years ago too but it was ridiculously long. Got stuck somewhere around the Adriatic Coast. Although it’s a work about history, it’s also some prominent English woman’s travel monologue and she has firmly pro-Jewish and anti-German opinions in the inter-war Europe context. She stands out for having pro-Serb sympathies, which fell out of fashion in the West long ago, of course.

    Regarding Serbia and Kosovo after some browsing, in the current climate it feels like this isn’t even newsworthy anymore:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banjska_attack

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @ShortOnTime


    Regarding Serbia and Kosovo after some browsing, in the current climate it feels like this isn’t even newsworthy anymore:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banjska_attack
     
    NATO client is occupying Serbia land with Serbian residents and pursuing ethnic cleansing policy. Has Jake Sullivan said anything about how quiet the Balkans are under the brilliant diplomacy of the Biden Administration?
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  151. @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    The war is not over yet. I suggest that you reserve your Putlerite ass licking comments for after the war. I don't think, however, that there will be much to cheer about at that time.

    Replies: @Derer

    I suggest that you reserve your Kiev Zio ass licking comments for after the war.

  152. @A123
    @John Johnson


    The DNC doesn’t need to cheat.

    They will just pull Biden aside and tell him that he will be primaried if he does not retire.
    ...
    The DNC will run a moderate White guy against him if needed.
     
    LOL. -- Gov. Newsome's simping trip to China did not get him any traction. And, he is an extremist, not a moderate.

    If Biden exits, Not-The-VP Harris is in a near unstoppable position to become the DNC candidate. She polls worse than her boss for the general election. The only way to replace her with out blowing up the party is with another polarizing minority female figure. Perhaps Michelle Obama? Or, AOC?

    They aren’t going to wheel Biden into the debates and hope it all works out.

     

    They have no better option. They cannot suddenly declare him medically unfit now. It would open the door to asking, "When did the Veggie-in-Chief become incapacitated"? That is a discussion the DNC cannot afford to have.


    Every bogus charge against Trump makes him stronger as the “underdog” candidate.
     
    It isn’t an underdog race. The polls show that he would win against Biden.
     
    Again, it is about PERCEPTION.

    Arrogant and abusive persecution of non-crimes hands Trump the "underdog" mantle and associated good will. There is no political contradiction with simultaneously being both the "poll leader" and the "perceived underdog". This will carry on regardless of who the DNC nominates.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Derer

    Harris and Michelle Obama are unelectable, the affirmative action presidency was fulfilled by Hussein Obama and that will apply for couple of generations.

    • Agree: Beckow
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Derer

    True, but they don't want to accept it. They can't, it is their "identity". And too many people will not tell them.

    When ideology and reality collide bad things often happen.

    Replies: @A123

  153. @ShortOnTime
    @Greasy William

    I don't think you should be so scared of Russia. IIRC, Bibi said that he thought Putin was smart and sophisticated.

    Btw, I can't believe I ever thought about buying a book about Netanyahu's own personal memoirs a few years ago lol. Especially since they're incomplete now anyway.


    The level of antisemitism that has erupted in the Western world since Oct 7th is completely unprecedented. The hatred has truly reached genocidal proportions and it absolutely is not limited to the Arab and Muslim populations residing in the Western countries, in fact it seems to be the strongest among the white far left.

     

    I find it amusing lol. You're absolutely right that those most opposed to Jews/Israel are actually Leftists and Jihad minded Muslims.

    The problem is that the Holocaust and other such "education" doesn't work on those groups. Leftists just throw the Holocaust and Jewish victimhood right back at Jews in their left-wing ideological paradigms ("Jews and Israel are the real Nazis"). Muslims never really cared about the Holocaust anyway.

    But the whole "anti-Semitism" term is ridiculous since Semitism/Semitic literally refers to the ethnic/racial community of Semites or Semitic peoples. That includes all Arabs with even Ethiopians and Somalis. So by this logic Jews are anti-Semitic insofar as they're anti-Arab and also anti-Ethiopian (the lost tribes of Israel issue in Africa needs more research) since Jews are anti-goyim in general. It's also questionable to what extent Jews are actually "Semitic" at all since there's Khazarian and European admixture (I'm not sure about how true Palestinian claims of Jewish settlers just being Poles and Hungarians of the Jewish faith is true either).

    "Free Free Palestine, Palestine will be free from the River to the Sea" could be added to "Holocaust no excuse for Palestine" after all, since the latter is connected to the former.

    But for anyone that's not Jewish or Muslim to dip their toes into Israel-Palestine is foolish, myself included.

    Btw, I would do Abigail Shapiro, but not beyond one night, since even the way Ben Shapiro talks is obnoxious enough and that sort of thing runs in the family.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @German_reader

    Btw, I would do Abigail Shapiro

    So you admit that you hate Jews.

    I have tried so hard to see what some people see in her. I’ve even tried turning my head sideways. I admit that she looks like she may have been somewhat cute when she was like 18 or 19, but I really do find her homely now.

    And I’ve got weird tastes, too. I think that young Julie Kavner (voice of Marge Simpson) was cute. I like Jenny Slate and Ilana Glazer, who I suspect most men would find gross. I was a big fan of pre nose job Jennifer Grey. I even think that a young Hannah Arendt is kinda hot. But I just can’t see anything appealing about Shapiro.

    And having sat through a couple of her vids, I can also confirm that she is really fucking annoying.

    since Jews are anti-goyim in general

    It’s really not true. I’d admit it if it was. There are a lot of bad things you can say about Jews but Jews aren’t goy haters. A lot of us hate Ishmaelites but that’s as far as it goes.

    But the whole “anti-Semitism” term is ridiculous since Semitism/Semitic literally refers to the ethnic/racial community of Semites or Semitic peoples

    It was a term born during the era of scientific racism that was supposed to sound more palatable than “Jew Hater”. Although the term made no sense for the reason you said above, it stuck around and it isn’t going anywhere.

    The problem is that the Holocaust and other such “education” doesn’t work on those groups

    I do think Holocaust is the greatest crime in human history and I believe that Holocaust education is important, but the Boomer fixation on it has always felt irrelevant to me as a Millenial. I was raised Christian and when we had our big Holocaust learning in 7th grade I just remember thinking, “dude, I don’t care”. I agreed that it was awful but I didn’t get why I needed to hear so much about it and I certainly didn’t see what relevance it had to the Middle East. Even the Jewish kids in my class didn’t seem to particularly care, at least not until we saw the camp footage (which bothered me too), and even that they got over pretty quick (so did I).

    I don’t think you should be so scared of Russia. IIRC, Bibi said that he thought Putin was smart and sophisticated.

    Bibi is an idiot and I can’t believe that people can’t tell that Russia is redirecting it’s attention to Israel. Israel had some utility for Putin when he was trying to maintain detente with America. That’s over now and Putin sees Israel as the greatest weak point of the US imperium and Putin intends to go after it with all means available to him.

    Putin didn’t publicly meet with Hamas in Moscow only days after the slaughter because he has poor judgement. He wants to signal that he is the real leader of the anti Israel bloc and that he is the only hope Ishmael (and white leftists, I guess) have of annihilating Israel. China taking Israel off all of its maps, sending ships to the Mediterranean and starting an antisemitic campaign on Chinese social media also isn’t just a coincidence. The Russia/Iran/China bloc is clearly prepping for a showdown with the United States. I truly don’t understand how anyone can deny it.

    But for anyone that’s not Jewish or Muslim to dip their toes into Israel-Palestine is foolish, myself included.

    Considering it’s about to cause WWIII, I think it’s relevant to everyone.

    Btw, I can’t believe I ever thought about buying a book about Netanyahu’s own personal memoirs a few years ago lol.

    Why would you want to read the memoirs of a guy who is notorious for lying about everything? Just make up your own and pretend that Bibi wrote them; they’d likely be more entertaining and more accurate

    • LOL: ShortOnTime
    • Replies: @ShortOnTime
    @Greasy William


    So you admit that you hate Jews.

    I have tried so hard to see what some people see in her. I’ve even tried turning my head sideways. I admit that she looks like she may have been somewhat cute when she was like 18 or 19, but I really do find her homely now.

     

    So anyone that says they might have sex with a Jewish woman "admits they hate Jews"?

    Doesn't it make more sense that anyone that truly hated Jews would steer clear of Jewish women since Jews define descent matrilineally? That is, any non-Jewish man that truly hated Jews wouldn't want to have sex with Jewish women since that would probably just create more Jews?

    But about Abigail Shapiro, there was one image where she looked decent with long hair, but a pass is obviously easier and probably what I would choose in real life, since it's easier to make a blasé observation about it from a distance instead of when confronted with such a scenario.


    It’s really not true. I’d admit it if it was. There are a lot of bad things you can say about Jews but Jews aren’t goy haters. A lot of us hate Ishmaelites but that’s as far as it goes.
     
    Muslims practice Taqqiyah along with Jihad, of course. Since the Jewish Talmud goes on about how goyim are animals and subhuman cattle, it's reasonable to wonder if Jews have also internalized Taqqiyah in a different way when conversing with goyim.

    Of course, you may personally even love goys, but broadly most Jews consider themselves undoubtedly racially superior to goys and act accordingly.

    This "anti-Semitism" and "Islamophobia" crap won't be able to fly for too long, especially the longer the fighting over Gaza goes on and if there is an escalation in the Middle East more generally.


    I do think Holocaust is the greatest crime in human history and I believe that Holocaust education is important, but the Boomer fixation on it has always felt irrelevant to me as a Millenial. I was raised Christian and when we had our big Holocaust learning in 7th grade I just remember thinking, “dude, I don’t care”. I agreed that it was awful but I didn’t get why I needed to hear so much about it and I certainly didn’t see what relevance it had to the Middle East. Even the Jewish kids in my class didn’t seem to particularly care, at least not until we saw the camp footage (which bothered me too), and even that they got over pretty quick (so did I).

     

    Perhaps we can obviously agree that the excessive focus and obsession upon the Holocaust prevalent in America and the mainstream West is extremely unhealthy.

    Still about the issue itself, it may be worth stating that the Holocaust does seem to be broadly real with a considerable weight of some historical evidence and in simple terms "it actually happened". However, it's also still being massively exaggerated and abused above all by Jews to induce moral guilt in goyim and exploit it for all sorts of nefarious agendas. Regarding the event, the empirical evidence seems to be that only anywhere from 1-4 million Jews actually died from it. Norman Finkelstein, David Irving and also Mahmoud Abbas seem to be the truly leading authorities on it. Norman explains well how various Jews exploited the Holocaust for personal grifting (was it Elie Wiesel or Simon Wiesenthal that was a complete fakes again?), Irving that the figures couldn't possibly have been 6 million but that around a few million is realistic, and iirc Mahmoud Abbas wrote a whole PhD work on the Holocaust and how Jews abused it both to create Israel and expand their global power along with videos of Mahmoud Abbas giving lectures about the history of the Holocaust and Jewish power in the first half of the 20th century. So in this sense there's obviously no point in "denying" the Holocaust in any mainstream context.

    Still, Mahmoud Abbas is actually one of the few figures I can sympathize with from the current Israel-Palestine conflict since he's simply a sad old man who's helplessly witnessed the decline of his nation and is trying to impart what little lessons and future he can to the next generation. It's worth appreciating Mahmoud Abbas especially as he's recently survived an assassination attempt, presumably by Hamas.


    Bibi is an idiot and I can’t believe that people can’t tell that Russia is redirecting it’s attention to Israel. Israel had some utility for Putin when he was trying to maintain detente with America. That’s over now and Putin sees Israel as the greatest weak point of the US imperium and Putin intends to go after it with all means available to him.

    Putin didn’t publicly meet with Hamas in Moscow only days after the slaughter because he has poor judgement. He wants to signal that he is the real leader of the anti Israel bloc and that he is the only hope Ishmael (and white leftists, I guess) have of annihilating Israel. China taking Israel off all of its maps, sending ships to the Mediterranean and starting an antisemitic campaign on Chinese social media also isn’t just a coincidence. The Russia/Iran/China bloc is clearly prepping for a showdown with the United States. I truly don’t understand how anyone can deny it.

    Considering it’s about to cause WWIII, I think it’s relevant to everyone.
     

    This take is too powerful for my taste. I think your analysis of world geopolitics and international relations is too eschatological and millenarian. Although someone like commenter Dmitry errs too much to the other extreme of a secular-materialist worldview. FWIW, I'll give my take as brief as possibly that unlike yours is more grounded in "rationality" and more likely to be accurately predictive of the future in certain respects.

    Israel is a nuclear armed state with one of the best militaries in the world in both equipment and battlefield performance. Some even count Israel as a great power. Israel got off to a good start with its Gaza invasion since it's already mostly encircled North Gaza. Still, the tunnels mean that ground control on the surface can be misleading. Considering Israel has almost every possible military advantage imaginable over Hamas in Gaza, it's hard to see Israel somehow coming undone. Israel devastating Gaza and annihilating most of Hamas with around 2 million Palestinian refugees going into the Sinai and some from there to the rest of the world (depends on international aid and other variables) looks almost like a fait accompli at this point. Although the longer the fighting in Gaza lasts, the greater the theoretical possibility of Israel coming undone.

    The only possible ways of Israel coming undone would most probably either be from some sort of internal political intrigue over your beloved Benjamin (the only 2 nuclear states that really failed since WW2 are Apartheid South Africa and the USSR because of complex internal changes) or Muslim countries actually do intervene and a massive Middle East war does come about from escalation, but the latter seems improbable for many reasons. So far, only Hezbollah has actually done anything substantial for Palestinians and Hamas in Gaza by making real but limited effort in skirmishing with Israel on the Lebanon border. Iran and its Axis of Resistance may strike instead at US military bases in Iraq and Syria to make a more serious effort to evict the USA from there (getting rid of or reducing the American "deterrence" against them acting against Israel would be a precondition to directly going against Israel). The amount of drone and rocket attacks on US bases in Iraq and Syria has significantly accelerated many times over. The rest of the "Arab-Muslim world" looks almost completely useless on Palestine as the recent OIC summit illustrated where iirc besides empty statements the UAE refused to even stop selling oil to Israel. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are also most unlikely to do anything meaningful against Israel.

    Honestly, the almost 1.6 billion biomass of Sunni Muslims is only good at targeting and chimping out at Christians. Then again, if it weren't significantly for Jews, Christians likely wouldn't be facing such a severe Muslim problem in the 21st century. Which is again why there's truly no love lost from Christians as against Jews and Muslims (leftist Islamophiles and Christian Zionist dimwits exempted). The "anti-Semitism" and "Islamophobia" garbage illustrates the preference of the Western elite for Jews and Muslims to be united together against Christians anyway, which they usually are and probably will be again once the conflagration over Gaza stops.

    As for Russia, it's hard to see a Russia that's preoccupied with Ukraine, and specifically capturing Avdeyevka in the present moment, going into any major adventurism in the Middle East anytime soon. It does look like the post-Prigozhin Wagner group has transferred some Pantsirs or other air defense systems to Hezbollah in Lebanon. So besides Russia repaying Iran and its Axis of Resistance with assorted weapons shipments for the favors Russia owes them over the latter's weapons shipments to Russia in the Ukraine War, it's hard to see Russia doing anything substantial beyond that over the current Gaza war.

    Btw, the upcoming meeting in San Francisco with Xi Jinping and the "Biden Administration" doesn't suggest that China's leadership intends to trigger WW3 over Palestine. Although the meeting will probably go badly since all of Antony Blinken's "diplomatic" encounters with China look like ugly spats so far, with the Chinese side doing its best to express themselves with some restraint and maintain civility as much as possible.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Greasy William

  154. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Finland can be the first country to leave NATO (I think). Late in Phase II.

    “Finland in NATO: Last in, first out.”
    “Easy come, easy go.”


    So while Russia is violently suppressing any remaining resistance you believe Finland would leave NATO? Is that right? Why?

    What would prevent Russia from invading Finland on the basis that they can't be allowed to ever join NATO again?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Derer

    You are so naive in believing that Finland joined NATO on their free will. You do not understand the Washington politburo methods of persuasion/coercion. That same politburo just “successfully” persuaded Ukrainian to join NATO.

    • Replies: @WS
    @Derer

    Disagree: Finns want to be involved in new Imperial Europe project. It was clear to them if they refuse the invitation from politburo, they would not be part of coming millienial distribution of landmass on the East. As well Swedes, invigorating their ambitions from early MDCCC century......

    , @John Johnson
    @Derer

    You are so naive in believing that Finland joined NATO on their free will. You do not understand the Washington politburo methods of persuasion/coercion.

    So why didn't they pressure Finland into joining NATO during the last 20 years?

    That same politburo just “successfully” persuaded Ukrainian to join NATO.

    Ukraine has not joined NATO.

    Ukraine would have to apply before joining NATO and they don't qualify for a variety of reasons, the current one being they are in a war. You can't apply with a contended border and that is why they haven't qualified since 2014.

    Ukraine would like to join NATO but we don't know if it will happen. The war could end with them making a deal with Russia that includes neutrality. Putin will tout that as a success and his Totalitarian TV news won't mention that Finland is in NATO and has more border with Russia.

    Putin could propose that Finland backs out of NATO as part of a deal. But he rarely talks about NATO which is one of many reasons why I don't think that was the cause of the war. If NATO was truly the cause then he would have sent an ultimatum before attacking.

  155. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    You know that admitting Nato was moving to Ukraine fatally weakens your arguments so you lie about it. It won’t change anything.

    Stop making stuff up.

    Go ahead and quote me or let everyone see that you can't respond without using your imagination.

    I never said NATO was moving to Ukraine. In fact I've cited the article where NATO said that Ukraine still doesn't qualify:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-nato-membership-can-join-when-allies-agree-conditions-are-met-leaders-say/

    I don't know if Ukraine will join NATO. Of course they would like to join at this point. Who wouldn't want protection after being invaded by a larger power? However they could stay out as part of a deal with Russia. Or a country like Turkey could decide to vote against them.

    I am also on record stating that they don't need to join NATO for the sake of their own security. In 5 years this type of invasion will be even more difficult. The drone swarms will be ready which will make moving tanks and armored vehicles near impossible. China could in fact lose in an invasion if Taiwan prepares properly. The Taiwanese president however is a bit of a nitwit so that is up in the air.


    Russia is currently selling NATO countries oil at NATO defined prices
     
    They are selling it at market prices and also the LNG gas – the buyers are lining up and pay, mostly in EU. Some directly, others through intermediaries.

    G7 countries are imposing a price cap. Russia however of course sells at market rate to non-G7 countries and the cap is basically an honor system. But the point is that Russia will sell oil to its own political opponents. They're not going to cut oil to Finland for joining NATO. Finland doesn't need anything else from Russia. Their main trade partners are Western.

    Every Finnish businessmen knows it – why don’t you? Being in Nato does nothing

    NATO protects you from Russian invasion. Putin's henchmen are on video talking about how they should have taken the Baltics when they had the chance. They have TV debates where they speak of the Baltics as lost territories. Russians seem to think their borders should go to Germany and some even still want Eastern Germany. This mentality of Russians assuming their neighbors belong to them was described by the British over 100 years ago.

    Moldova has neutrality in their constitution and Belarus leaked the Russian invasion plan that showed them as next.

    Finland had peaceful relations with Russia since it lost war to them in 1945. Now they are a primary preventive target in any war and lose business

    LOL you really must be imagining another dictator. Putin rants about all kinds of countries and then sells them oil. Why hasn't he passed sanctions on Finland? Yea I'm sure he'll get right on that.

    The dwarf is just out to conquer. He would have taken Finland or Kazakhstan if he had known that Ukraine would kick his tanks out of Kiev. Putin is on record stating that it was a shame that the USSR collapsed. A fake Christian if there ever was one. He tried recreating the Russian empire and was pushed back to Donbas.

    Eliminating the Ukrainian identity is a Russian fantasy. They view Ukrainians as snobbish half-Westerners. The Ukrainians have more Nordic blood and don't have all the random conquered people of the Russian empire. Quite strange that White nationalists like Anglin support Putin when Russia is the multi-racial/multi-religious empire and Ukraine is not only Whiter but has stricter immigration controls.

    Replies: @Beckow

    You and I should agree not to discuss Nato in Ukraine. What looks obvious to any observer (Mearsheimer, Sachs,…) you deny. Fine, it is water under the bridge now, Kiev won’t be in Nato – Russia won that part of the war.

    You know nothing about Finland and its economy: what it sells and buys. It is an advanced economy with high costs and lack of many essential resources – remoteness makes things costly. It has traded with Russia for the last 1000 years: when that works, Finland prospers. When the border is restricted, Finland does worse. Ask any Finnish businessman.

    Selling is not the point. It is about “selling for how much” – by joining Nato Finland switched to paying more, selling less to Russia and with higher costs. If the unthinkable happens Helsinki is an early target – up to this year it would be bypassed as neutral. That must feel really good.

    Your fabulation about Russia “invading Finland next” or hot talk on Russian talk shows displays your ignorance. Are Russians invading Bretagne next for the oysters? If we judge countries by the loose talk on shows or made-up spy leaks we will live in paranoia. Have you seen some of the nuts on the American shows? What does that have to with anything?

    The Ukrainians have more Nordic blood…Ukraine is not only Whiter but has stricter immigration controls.

    Now we are home: the proto-fascist inside you comes out. Nordic blood? no kidding…so why are they self-destructing like lemmings? Are Nordics into that too? It looks like that occasionally.

    It is a losing argument, your Nazi teenage fantasies only make you look lost. The “Nordic” ideology lost the biggest war in human history, WW2 – and Russia won it. You can’t go back and redo it. We are living with the consequences and only an idiot would try to reverse it. Good luck.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    You and I should agree not to discuss Nato in Ukraine. What looks obvious to any observer (Mearsheimer, Sachs,…) you deny. Fine, it is water under the bridge now, Kiev won’t be in Nato – Russia won that part of the war.

    Not much of a discussion when you ignore most of my questions.

    We don't know if Ukraine will join NATO. This war could go a lot of directions.

    Putin may be happy to get his Donbas consolation prize without neutrality for Ukraine.

    He rarely mentions NATO and in his recent speeches describes the war as protecting Donbas.

    You know nothing about Finland and its economy: what it sells and buys. It is an advanced economy with high costs and lack of many essential resources – remoteness makes things costly. It has traded with Russia for the last 1000 years: when that works

    What did I say was incorrect? Finland's trade status with Russia is public record:

    https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-country/rus/partner/fin

    Their largest export to Russia is half a billion in copper. Whoopdy doo. Copper can be sold elsewhere.

    As with most of Europe they treat Russia like a gas station.

    No one cares about Russian products.

    Europeans just want to do a quick stop at Frodo's Gas 'n Nuke.

    Your fabulation about Russia “invading Finland next” or hot talk on Russian talk shows displays your ignorance.

    How would it be ignorance if no one knows the full plans of Putin?

    When Putin had his "training exercise" on the border it was military expert and masturbation specialist Scott Ritter that published a rant on Russian media on how Putin won't invade and it's all a CIA conspiracy. Didn't age well.

    But I'm "ignorant" (it means to lack knowledge) for suggesting Putin could have invaded Finland? Why exactly? The Belarus doofus leaked the plan to invade Moldova after Ukraine. Why not add Finland as well? Putin probably wishes he went after Finland and Kazakhstan instead.

    Now we are home: the proto-fascist inside you comes out. Nordic blood?

    Yes they have more Nordic blood. You can call it Scandinavian blood if you want. I already had someone on here flip out by the suggestion and I backed the assertion with a DNA study. I can dig up that study if you would like.

    Russians have more Asian DNA while Ukrainians and Latvians have more Viking DNA. This shouldn't be a surprise given the history of the area. The further East you go the more likely it is that the people were under Mongols and not the Swedes. I don't know why this is so difficult. If anything the White nationalists have strange delusions about Russians. Anglin seemed to think they were pure bred White Christians.

    It is a losing argument, your Nazi teenage fantasies only make you look lost. The “Nordic” ideology lost the biggest war in human history.

    Most Germans aren't Nordic and pointing out Viking influence and genetics does not make one a Nazi. The Vikings were real people with identifiable DNA. Yes it is a modern/leftist belief that European tribes never existed and all White people are just plain White. Well we can identify these groups with DNA even if leftists tell us they don't exist.

    Largest Viking DNA study
    https://www.archaeology.org/issues/406-2101/features/9266-viking-genetic-study

    , @sudden death
    @Beckow


    If the unthinkable happens Helsinki is an early target – up to this year it would be bypassed as neutral. That must feel really good.
     
    Reminder that neutral non-NATO Austria was the nuclear target and would have been bombed by Kremlin in case of war with NATO just as any other NATO country, so neutrality means jackshit in nuclear age. As in any other era too, when it was the time for serious SHTF;)

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  156. @Derer
    @A123

    Harris and Michelle Obama are unelectable, the affirmative action presidency was fulfilled by Hussein Obama and that will apply for couple of generations.

    Replies: @Beckow

    True, but they don’t want to accept it. They can’t, it is their “identity”. And too many people will not tell them.

    When ideology and reality collide bad things often happen.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Beckow



    Harris and Michelle Obama are unelectable, the affirmative action presidency was fulfilled by Hussein Obama and that will apply for couple of generations.
     
    True, but they don’t want to accept it. They can’t, it is their “identity”. And too many people will not tell them.

    When ideology and reality collide bad things often happen.
     
    I concur.

    Selecting a PoC female as VP was an implicit commitment to running someone from that group as the DNC Presidential candidate. Breaking that 'promise' with a white male nominee would blow up the Democrat party base.

    The DNC can duck this for the 2024 election by keeping Not-The-President Biden in the top slot on the ticket. The Veggie-in-Chief is their least bad choice. He will lose to Trump, but still leaves down ballot races in play. Blowing up the party or running Not-The-VP Harris are worse options.

    PEACE 😇
  157. @meena
    @Jesuitic Ziowahhabiz

    It was the Jewish delegation from Russia that forced Herzl to abandon thoughts of any non-Palestinian locations . Chaim Weizmann also dismissed the idea of any place other than Palestine.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    “Meena” is a girl’s name. Are you a girl, and if so, are you hot?

  158. @Derer
    @John Johnson

    You are so naive in believing that Finland joined NATO on their free will. You do not understand the Washington politburo methods of persuasion/coercion. That same politburo just "successfully" persuaded Ukrainian to join NATO.

    Replies: @WS, @John Johnson

    Disagree: Finns want to be involved in new Imperial Europe project. It was clear to them if they refuse the invitation from politburo, they would not be part of coming millienial distribution of landmass on the East. As well Swedes, invigorating their ambitions from early MDCCC century……

  159. German_reader says:
    @ShortOnTime
    @Greasy William

    I don't think you should be so scared of Russia. IIRC, Bibi said that he thought Putin was smart and sophisticated.

    Btw, I can't believe I ever thought about buying a book about Netanyahu's own personal memoirs a few years ago lol. Especially since they're incomplete now anyway.


    The level of antisemitism that has erupted in the Western world since Oct 7th is completely unprecedented. The hatred has truly reached genocidal proportions and it absolutely is not limited to the Arab and Muslim populations residing in the Western countries, in fact it seems to be the strongest among the white far left.

     

    I find it amusing lol. You're absolutely right that those most opposed to Jews/Israel are actually Leftists and Jihad minded Muslims.

    The problem is that the Holocaust and other such "education" doesn't work on those groups. Leftists just throw the Holocaust and Jewish victimhood right back at Jews in their left-wing ideological paradigms ("Jews and Israel are the real Nazis"). Muslims never really cared about the Holocaust anyway.

    But the whole "anti-Semitism" term is ridiculous since Semitism/Semitic literally refers to the ethnic/racial community of Semites or Semitic peoples. That includes all Arabs with even Ethiopians and Somalis. So by this logic Jews are anti-Semitic insofar as they're anti-Arab and also anti-Ethiopian (the lost tribes of Israel issue in Africa needs more research) since Jews are anti-goyim in general. It's also questionable to what extent Jews are actually "Semitic" at all since there's Khazarian and European admixture (I'm not sure about how true Palestinian claims of Jewish settlers just being Poles and Hungarians of the Jewish faith is true either).

    "Free Free Palestine, Palestine will be free from the River to the Sea" could be added to "Holocaust no excuse for Palestine" after all, since the latter is connected to the former.

    But for anyone that's not Jewish or Muslim to dip their toes into Israel-Palestine is foolish, myself included.

    Btw, I would do Abigail Shapiro, but not beyond one night, since even the way Ben Shapiro talks is obnoxious enough and that sort of thing runs in the family.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @German_reader

    The problem is that the Holocaust and other such “education” doesn’t work on those groups.

    But what is the logic why it should “work”? Should the Holocaust give Israel a free get out of jail card for its creeping annexation of territory inhabited by other people and the associated occupation regime? Because criticism of that can’t be anything but irrational hatred? These arguments all fall apart on closer inspection.

    But the whole “anti-Semitism” term is ridiculous

    That argument is pretty tired, antisemitism has a clear meaning as anti-Jewish ideology (on an ethnic/racial basis), it has never signified anything else since the term came into existence in the late 19th century.

    But for anyone that’s not Jewish or Muslim to dip their toes into Israel-Palestine is foolish, myself included.

    I’d prefer not to get involved in this conflict myself (since both sides are highly unappealing from my pov), but unfortunately it’s not really possible not to have an opinion in it, given Western ties to Israel and negative repercussions of the conflict for the rest of the world.

    Regarding your points about Serbia, I don’t think one should take Fehlinger seriously, the man is a meme character.

    She stands out for having pro-Serb sympathies, which fell out of fashion in the West long

    Yes, that was common until the 1990s. tbh I don’t think it was any more justified than the subsequent one-sided demonization of Serbs.

    • Replies: @ShortOnTime
    @German_reader


    But what is the logic why it should “work”? Should the Holocaust give Israel a free get out of jail card for its creeping annexation of territory inhabited by other people and the associated occupation regime? Because criticism of that can’t be anything but irrational hatred? These arguments all fall apart on closer inspection.

     

    Since Israel was founded in 1948, 3 years after WW2, it does serve as a major excuse for Israel's creation and existence. Although of course Jewish settlement into Palestine was ongoing since the late 19th century back when the Ottoman Empire owned the province. Still, it's true that Jews act as if there is no "statute of limitations" on the Holocaust, but don't you dare try voicing that. Then again, Iran has hosted some "Holocaust Denial" conferences over the years lol.

    Ron Unz's version of events about Adolf Eichmann's kidnapping and trial by Israel being about his potential testimony as a living witness of Jew-Nazi collaboration in the settlement of Israel despite the ongoing Jew-Nazi conflict since 1933 is a very interesting take instead of the mainstream version about completely innocent Jews bringing another evil Adolf to justice. Worth clarifying that I'm not a fan of either side of the Jew-Nazi conflict, just like with Israel-Palestine either.


    I’d prefer not to get involved in this conflict myself (since both sides are highly unappealing from my pov), but unfortunately it’s not really possible not to have an opinion in it, given Western ties to Israel and negative repercussions of the conflict for the rest of the world.

     

    I absolutely share the sentiment.

    Sadly it's hard to see a way to avoid Israel casually being able to toss Palestinian refugees from Gaza around the world, even to some destinations of choice.


    Regarding your points about Serbia, I don’t think one should take Fehlinger seriously, the man is a meme character.

     

    He is so over the top and ridiculous that it actually gets funny.

    Still, Fehlinger is just the tip of the iceberg for the anti-Serb crowd on Twitter. There's also that British MP (some similar American and EU equivalents too) Alisha Kearns that was involved in supporting Jihadists in the black ops in Syria and she's pathologically pro-Bosnia and pro-Albanian or anti-Serb, like much of the current British and Western elite. Going into all the rest, especially from the Balkan neighborhood is probably too much.


    Yes, that was common until the 1990s. tbh I don’t think it was any more justified than the subsequent one-sided demonization of Serbs.

     

    Since you're German it's no surprise you're not pro-Serb. Considering everything Germany has done to Serbs in the 20th century, it's to be expected that there's truly no love lost between Germans and Serbs. Although most of the AfD seems to think otherwise.

    I personally find all the Muslim Jihad and Taqqiyah directed against Serbs odious. Like this from Al Jazeera comparing the current Gaza war to Srebrenica lol. Other idiots repeat a similar line too hoping that what sort of worked against Serbs in the 1990's can work against Israel.

    https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1715372456171483304

    https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1720784846027468969

    Replies: @German_reader

  160. @Barbarossa
    @Mr. Hack


    Every single scholar or pundit that reviews the topic of the end-times within Revelation
     
    Well, there always is the preterist interpretation that looks at the book of Revelation as describing events in the first century that have already occurred. I've always been rather partial to that view myself.

    It's hardly so handy for selling blockbuster Evangelical action series though!

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack

    You’re free to believe whatever you want, but I don’t see how anybody can believe that all of the things written about within Revelations have already taken place. Some undoubtedly have, but it doesn’t seem feasible that the Apocalypse has already taken place, with Christ sitting on his judgement seat ready to judge all of humanity and its eternal fate. Besides, Israel didn’t crystalize into a modern nation/state until 1948, so how could all of it have already taken place?


    Right hand or left hand?

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Mr. Hack

    Like I said to A123, I don't worry myself over Revelations or prophecy in general, since I regard it as well above my paygrade.

    I'm really more sympathetic to any of the interpretations of Revelations that are not the strict futurist or dispensationalist view. The historicist or symbolic interpretations also have significant merit as would a semi-preterist view. I wouldn't really go for a hardline preterist view since there are too many issues there. I just threw it out there since it is the exact opposite of dispensationalist thinking.

    Besides, the current dispensationalist view as popularized by stuff like the Left Behind series is a very very recent development in thought on the book of Revelations.

    On Israel, I would take the stance of many Orthodox Jews that the current state of Israel can't fulfill nuthin' since it is really a secular ethno-state and now a religious Jewish state in any regard.


    Right hand or left hand?
     
    You can tell the Jews were pastoral people since the sheep were favored (right hand) and the goats were out of favor (left hand). Having been around both sheep and goats, my own take has been that goats are the Tweaker Punk-Ass Meth-Heads of the livestock world. Truly the devil's own creature. If there is any piece of livestock which has a high probability of ending up standing on your car roof it will be a goat.

    It's always fun to really "get" those biblical references first hand!
  161. German_reader says:
    @Mikel
    @Greasy William

    You're obviously kidding. I checked Ecclesiastes because it looked like an easy one to verify lol.

    Anyway, this thing with some American lefties demonstrating against Israel must be primarily an action-reaction phenomenon. You can't have these levels of high volume, non-stop pro-Israel propaganda going on without some people going bananas in the opposite direction. It's a natural human reaction. In fact, I had to stop watching the Republican debate for the same reason. Netanyahu is an innocent dove compared to most Republicans. And I don't know what's left to say for these candidates on the rest of the issues, especially when they don't get to confront the big showman.

    Replies: @German_reader

    In fact, I had to stop watching the Republican debate for the same reason.

    They want war with Iran. Which would be an absolute disaster, a lot worse than Iraq, and might be the final nail in the coffin of America’s ever so benevolent hegemony. Also a good chance it will turn out very badly for Jews in the end since their ethnocentric lobbying efforts would be correctly identified as having played a major role in bringing about such a catastrophe.

    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader



    In fact, I had to stop watching the Republican debate for the same reason.
     
    They want war with Iran.
     
    Who is "They"? Who stated during the debate that they want to attack Iran? Also, remember the inevitable GOP candidate was not there. If someone, with at best marginal support, said something stupid it represents them, not the MAGA/GOP.

    MAGA policy during Trump's 1st term was containing Iran. He refused to be baited by sociopath Khamenei's repeated provocations. There's every reason to believe that Trump's 2nd term will resume this policy.

    Religious zealots in the Iranian theocracy want might find some way to start a war. That side is the far more pressing danger. Losing primary candidates and former officials (Pompeo, Bolton, etc.) have no war powers.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @German_reader

    , @Mikel
    @German_reader


    They want war with Iran.
     
    They're desperate for it, especially the ones that Trump hired for his administration. If they had the same level of enthusiasm for immigration, wokeness, censorship and crime the Republican party would be in a great position. And anyone with a clear stand on those issues should beat Biden easily too, they're all winning positions for most ordinary Americans. Instead, they try to outdo each other on who would hit Iran the hardest and give Israel the most unconditional support. Vivek is perhaps the most solid one on the issues but he comes across untrustworthy with his oversized ego. Anyway, if the MSM and Silicon Valley make Biden beat Trump again it will be a totally self-inflicted defeat and the US is changing so fast that I don't know how much 2028 will matter.

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader, @Beckow

  162. @ShortOnTime
    @AP

    I'll reply from the previous thread on key points and cutting out blockquotes, partly to save space. Let's try keep it chronological.

    Your reference to a Suzdal prince sacking Kiev is a bit of a, well so what? Turns out the princes of Chernigov and Smolensk took part too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Kiev_(1169)

    The Rus realm fragmented into civil war for most of the 12th century. This was typical for most Medieval European realms like England, France, Holy Roman Empire, Italy and etc. Making this the basis for some kind of ancient Russian-Ukrainian schism is nonsensical. It's perhaps similar to some kind of neo-Burgundian nationalism against France (at least Burgundy was a tribe and then Kingdom clearly distinct from France at different points in time, migrations at fall of Western Roman Empire and again at 15th century peak of Burgundian Kingdom just before its fall) or Catalan separatism against Spain. Perhaps even Canada vs USA since such hypothetical analogies (especially geopolitical alignment and foreign great power military alliances) about USA invading Canada devolving into trench war with Canadians then harping on about "ancient Canadian nationhood" sounding completely ridiculous and citing things like the War of 1812 (Canadian genesis only began in 19th century and Canadian distinction in WW1 participation along with French Quebec are only remarkable things about Canada historically, honestly). The 4chan analogy of a botched American invasion of Mexico to the current Ukraine War is apples and oranges comparison though, since Russia is not USA and Ukraine isn't Mexico. Analogies can only be taken so far.

    Otherwise, the Rus fragmentation (connected decline of Piast Poland too) explains why Eastern Europe was easy prey for Mongols. Also the whole notion of Russians somehow being more "Asian Muscovite savages" than Ukrainians is nonsense since Ukraine was ruled by Mongols and Tatars for at least several decades and Russia for maybe about 50 or 100 years longer (depends how one counts it).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Kiev_(1240)

    As for Pagan Lithuania, it's actually very impressive that it punched above its own weight in its era (14th century especially). Repelling multiple invasions and raids from the Teutonic Knights, also exploiting Mongol and Tatar decline to take over Rus lands. Pagan Lithuania was the last Pagan kingdom in Europe until the 15th century (Paganism presumably persisted till 16th century).

    The union with Poland was a catastrophe in hindsight. Guaranteed lots of strife. Likely would've been better if Lithuania remained Pagan, but friction with Orthodox and especially Catholics was too much. Even among Lithuanians, there was a significant minority of Orthodox nobles and there were some civil wars contesting the union and Jogaila's acquiescence to it (some of it was dynastic too admittedly, ie one prince wanted to rule instead of the incumbent without necessarily changing the union). Especially since Poland became the senior partner in the long term. Just one of many below:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_Civil_War_(1389%E2%80%931392)

    Almost everything about the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (PLC) is terrible. Catholic oppression of Orthodox Christians and Casimir III inviting Jews to jointly take part in exploiting subject populations, especially economically. Jesuit invitation too. The only good thing about the PLC was its confrontations with the Ottomans but that's because the Ottomans chose to try expanding north from Bessarabia/Moldova and Ottoman conquest of Vienna would've been unacceptable for PLC (southern Ottoman border expanded).

    The anti-Jewish "pogroms" or really, riots, though pose a major historical riddle. If everyone in Ukraine was always Ukrainian with Russians never being a significant part of Ukraine, then that means Ukraine has an ugly track record of "anti-Semitism" as I saw Norman Finklestein discuss in a video. If the "pogroms" in Ukraine are Russia's fault, the problem with that is that it means Ukraine is basically legitimately Russian, no matter how "anti-Semitic" one thinks Russians are. Perhaps on the Unz Review it's easier to say that the "pogroms" have always been exaggerated, especially the ones in the Russian Empire in the few decades before WW1. Really they were just a bunch of street clashes between Jews vs Russians/Ukrainians since Jews had a disproportionate part in fomenting revolutionary unrest against the Tsardom and non-Jews in the Russian Empire had many legitimate grievances against Jews. The total of Jewish "victims" was only anywhere from a few hundred to a few thousand overall. Pogroms weren't directed by the Russian state as historical evidence in hindsight makes clear. The ones under Bogdan Khmelnitsky since 1648 were significantly larger in scope though (possibly a few 10s of 1000s) since it was a rebellion that morphed into an all out war and the pent up grievances against Jewish moneychangers and theft of Orthodox Church land was much larger and more repressed (Khmelnitsky rebelled over a vicious personal dispute with a Polish noble and the Polish Kings ineffective mediation). There was some chaos in WW1 and the Russian Civil War too. Anyway, the Jewish aspect of this is perhaps the most interesting of all.

    When Russia retook most of Ukraine and Belarus (unlike Russia, Poland-Lithuania weren't Rus successor states), Polish nobles were tolerated until 19th century Polish rebellions. The Romanovs had notable success in undoing Uniatism in Galicia, Western Ukraine and Belarus. I even took the time to read some of Adam Zamoyski's works (who's devotedly pro-PLC), and even he acknowledged in his book Poland: A History, that most of the rebellions against Russia in Lithuania were actually just Polish nobles (until 1860's iirc, sort of), with Lithuanian peasants having no interest in taking part. Same for Belarus and Ukraine parts with Polish nobles.

    In the 19th century it's true proto-Ukrainians took some more hold. Really any record of Ukrainians as anything more than regionally distinct "Ruthenians"/''Little Rus'' from Russians before 18th century is weak. Although even Putin in his text on the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians acknowledges things like the Elms Ukaz of 1876.

    As for Galicia and WW1, as your own personal example illustrates, the mental and psychological complexes originating from ancestral legacies of religious conversion and one may dare say, apostasy, can be very powerful.

    Regarding Ukraine and the Russian Civil War, reality is Poles and Ukrainians clashed over Galicia with Poland strong-arming Ukrainians to cede Galicia which Ukrainian Rada acceded to since they thought that concession and prospective Polish help against Bolsheviks was worth it. Pretty obvious Poland picked a fight with Bolsheviks and even Whites when it intervened in Ukraine then. Calling Petlyura a Polish lackey may be harsh, but it's essentially true since before him there were Ukrainian servants of Germany during Germany's occupation of Ukraine in 1918. Quite sad to think that Ukraine was not only occupied by Germany which lost WW1, but then Poland which only became independent in November 1918 domineered over Ukraine, for the Bolsheviks to then take over Ukraine.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Ukrainian_War

    As for Serbs, your resentment over Austria-Hungary losing WW1 is still palpable (and part of your comment history). Your enthusiasm for Austria's attack of Serbia is also bizarre. Austria-Hungary attacking Serbia in July 1914 is one of the single worst decisions ever made in European history.

    The big "problem" is that Russian nationalist/"imperial" history takes are mostly true, although some Ukrainian/Ruthenian regional particularism is well rooted. We're just scratching the surface of this history and it can be discussed endlessly. But that's perhaps more than enough about history.

    Otherwise, since 2014 it looks like Serbia is actually in better shape than Ukraine as unbelievable as that may have seemed. To a degree, Serbia and Ukraine are inverse tragedies since Western nations can't suffer Serbia's ties to Russia while Russians can't suffer Ukraine's ties to the West.

    With refugees and returnees, it obviously goes without stating it that the longer the current Ukraine War lasts, the worse the reconstruction and return of emigrants will be. Ukraine obviously isn't exactly the same as Iraq, Libya, Syria or Serbia/Yugoslavia (Ukraine War seems to have less "ethnic cleansing" in particular, so far at least). Still, nothing suggests Ukraine will have some sort of good recovery as almost 10 million fled in total is terrible, especially a few million Russians to Russia, especially about return of displaced persons. Even economic recovery will have the scandal over seized Russian assets overshadowing it. Not to mention downturns in world economy. Overall, it's a really sad picture for Ukraine devotees.

    Replies: @sudden death, @AP, @Mr. XYZ

    The union with Poland was a catastrophe in hindsight.

    Even if formally it was voluntary action, in fact it was matter of strategic necessity, even with the price of near term dynastic clashes. Pagan Lithuania at the time unfortunately was bleeding white from that neverending hundred years war of Northern Crusades (not only Teutonic, but whole Christian European warring nobility was pouring into it) and it was ethnic Baltic core suffering the most at the western frontier, which had many significant setbacks in the second half of 14th century, e.g. loss of Kaunas castle, while in the east it didn’t have enough strenght left to subjugate and conquer several times besieged Kremlin fortress.

    When dynastic war ended relatively quickly in 1392 and ethnic Lithuanian Vytautas got the Lithuanian native ruler throne, even if formally being subjected to the higher status ruler king Jogaila, joint (Polish+Lithuanian+Slavic) forces several decades later managed to crush Teutonic army in Grunwald battle of 1410, which terminated the mortal threat from Western direction.

    So it was de facto triumphant outcome politically, because it got centuries lasting peace on Western frontier, also Vytautas was like Lukashenko (formally having Belarus union with RF since 1999) on steroids wrt Poland/Jogaila and even Lithuanian state remained politically de facto very separate entity (e.g. refused to join another Polish war against teutonic Prussia in 1454) for several centuries after until it again was strategically forced to go into closer union with Poland in 1569 Lublin, because of Muscovite pressure in Livonian war.

    • Thanks: ShortOnTime
    • Replies: @ShortOnTime
    @sudden death

    Obviously we could argue at length about whether the union with Poland was worthwhile for Lithuania. The issue was essentially that Lithuania chose not only Poland but also the Catholic faith and "the West" at that moment, which has proven to be a fraught choice ever since. With a large Orthodox Christian population in Belarus and Ukraine, that was bound to create strife. The other evident alternative was union or alignment with Moscow/Russia but that can clearly remain one of history's endless "what ifs". The union with Poland was clearly the moment when Lithuania's strategy of expanding to subjugate its Eastern Orthodox Slav neighbors for a manpower and resource base against the Teutonic knights failed. Even the previous failed conquests of Moscow too actually demonstrated the reality of Lithuania's eclipse by Poland and Russia in the latter half of the 14th century. The Polish-Lithuanian union also set the historical pattern of Russian-German rapprochement to bypass the Eastern European nationalities between Germans and Russia which was a longer term disaster for those between Germans and Russia (although so far in the 21st century that's not really much of an issue due to American hegemony in most of Europe, but the amount of hysteria such a theoretical possibility has driven with things like Nordstream 2 and the extent to which Germany arms Ukraine is actually amusing). Admittedly, I'm not very familiar with the civil wars in Lithuania of that era though.

    Otherwise, it does seem that the Kaliningrad exclave for Russia is actually arguably more of a liability than an asset for Russia. It's one among many most unfortunate Soviet era border drawing decisions that makes more ongoing strife between Russia against Poland and Lithuania (rest of Baltics and Scandinavians too) even more guaranteed in the 21st century.

    Btw, do you have any interesting reading recommendations about Pagan and Medieval Lithuania, especially in the 2-3 centuries before the union with Poland? (I've found one book on this that I'll probably get around to sometime eventually)

    As for AP, I'm not sure it's worth the effort to continue my discussion with him since it's just too much time and effort that wouldn't be spent in a worthwhile manner. Probably relitigating certain aspects of WW1 with him would be even more tiresome than anything about Ukraine and Russia. Most of Mr XYZ's seemingly endless history hypotheticals also don't seem worthwhile engaging either.

    Replies: @AP, @sudden death, @LatW

  163. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    In fact, I had to stop watching the Republican debate for the same reason.
     
    They want war with Iran. Which would be an absolute disaster, a lot worse than Iraq, and might be the final nail in the coffin of America's ever so benevolent hegemony. Also a good chance it will turn out very badly for Jews in the end since their ethnocentric lobbying efforts would be correctly identified as having played a major role in bringing about such a catastrophe.

    Replies: @A123, @Mikel

    In fact, I had to stop watching the Republican debate for the same reason.

    They want war with Iran.

    Who is “They“? Who stated during the debate that they want to attack Iran? Also, remember the inevitable GOP candidate was not there. If someone, with at best marginal support, said something stupid it represents them, not the MAGA/GOP.

    MAGA policy during Trump’s 1st term was containing Iran. He refused to be baited by sociopath Khamenei’s repeated provocations. There’s every reason to believe that Trump’s 2nd term will resume this policy.

    Religious zealots in the Iranian theocracy want might find some way to start a war. That side is the far more pressing danger. Losing primary candidates and former officials (Pompeo, Bolton, etc.) have no war powers.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @A123

    You know quite well that a huge amount the Republican Party has had a hard-on for a hot war with Iran since the GW days. Guys like Bolton or Graham are very vocal about it, but I would venture to guess that almost all Republicans would enthusiastically get on board if it was in the works.

    Replies: @A123

    , @German_reader
    @A123

    I didn't watch the debate myself, based my opinion on this summary:
    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/republican-debate-israel/
    If it's inaccurate, you can point that out. But the statements by Haley and some others about cutting off the head of the snake seem quite unequivocal.

    Replies: @A123

  164. @Beckow
    @Derer

    True, but they don't want to accept it. They can't, it is their "identity". And too many people will not tell them.

    When ideology and reality collide bad things often happen.

    Replies: @A123

    Harris and Michelle Obama are unelectable, the affirmative action presidency was fulfilled by Hussein Obama and that will apply for couple of generations.

    True, but they don’t want to accept it. They can’t, it is their “identity”. And too many people will not tell them.

    When ideology and reality collide bad things often happen.

    I concur.

    Selecting a PoC female as VP was an implicit commitment to running someone from that group as the DNC Presidential candidate. Breaking that ‘promise’ with a white male nominee would blow up the Democrat party base.

    The DNC can duck this for the 2024 election by keeping Not-The-President Biden in the top slot on the ticket. The Veggie-in-Chief is their least bad choice. He will lose to Trump, but still leaves down ballot races in play. Blowing up the party or running Not-The-VP Harris are worse options.

    PEACE 😇

  165. @ShortOnTime
    @German_reader

    That has to be the most powerful links I've ever scrolled through.

    But to continue from the previous thread, I think Silviosilver clarified he was actually not a Serb but a Yugoslav. The more one researches Serbia/Yugoslavia the more one realizes those are 2 incompatible nationalities.

    Lots of interesting things can be said about Serbia. When one looks at all the types out there on Twitter/X focused on Serbia/Balkans, I wouldn't blame Serbs for being "nutters". Like imagine being exposed to types like that Gunther Fehlinger guy who became famous after calling to dismantle "genocide BRICS" and dismember Brazil and India, he even posted maps of alternative separatist statelets on "ex-Brazil" and "ex-India". Before becoming more famous for that I think he just constantly called on Serbia to be sanctioned, bombed, "Genocide Serbia" every single Tweet, etc. Crazy calls for constant NATO expansion and Atlanticist zealotry. He might be some sort of purposeful troll since he's from Austria but could be part of some prominent NATO/Euro-Atlantic Committee. IIRC, some time ago some Serbs doxxed Gunther's home address and the Austrian police responded in a thread to his complaint that they didn't take him seriously and he should just calm down. There is that saying that the Balkans begins in Austria.

    Otherwise Serbia's ties to Russia are obviously strongly rooted in Orthodox Christianity and historical-political connections over at least the last 2-3 centuries. Regarding current Serbia, I feel it will either end like Carthage in the 3rd Punic War (Carthaginian complaints about Numidian encroachment ignored; Serbia and Kosovo Albanians with surprisingly many Cato equivalents out there calling for Serbia to be destroyed) or really just sack of Carthage in 146 BC (Baghdad 2003 is a less severe but more recent version), or Serbia will somehow make a major turnaround like September 15th, 1918 when Serbia broke through the Macedonian front and had its moment sort of close to Balkan hegemony (thrown away with Yugoslavia of course). I was reminded of the latter as I brushed up on my WW1 history of Eastern Europe for the discussion with AP by reading a WW1 book. Serbia's breakthrough with the Entente in Macedonia is underrated since it was almost like reverse Gavrilo Princip assassination that triggered a WW1 spiral as the Macedonian breakthrough led to a WW1 winding down spiral instead.

    I tried reading Rebecca West's Black Lamb and Grey Falcon a few years ago too but it was ridiculously long. Got stuck somewhere around the Adriatic Coast. Although it's a work about history, it's also some prominent English woman's travel monologue and she has firmly pro-Jewish and anti-German opinions in the inter-war Europe context. She stands out for having pro-Serb sympathies, which fell out of fashion in the West long ago, of course.

    Regarding Serbia and Kosovo after some browsing, in the current climate it feels like this isn't even newsworthy anymore:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banjska_attack

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Regarding Serbia and Kosovo after some browsing, in the current climate it feels like this isn’t even newsworthy anymore:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banjska_attack

    NATO client is occupying Serbia land with Serbian residents and pursuing ethnic cleansing policy. Has Jake Sullivan said anything about how quiet the Balkans are under the brilliant diplomacy of the Biden Administration?

    • Agree: ShortOnTime
  166. @Mr. Hack
    @Barbarossa

    You're free to believe whatever you want, but I don't see how anybody can believe that all of the things written about within Revelations have already taken place. Some undoubtedly have, but it doesn't seem feasible that the Apocalypse has already taken place, with Christ sitting on his judgement seat ready to judge all of humanity and its eternal fate. Besides, Israel didn't crystalize into a modern nation/state until 1948, so how could all of it have already taken place?

    https://i.etsystatic.com/5322188/r/il/f8ba23/2635429337/il_794xN.2635429337_d7t9.jpg
    Right hand or left hand?

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Like I said to A123, I don’t worry myself over Revelations or prophecy in general, since I regard it as well above my paygrade.

    I’m really more sympathetic to any of the interpretations of Revelations that are not the strict futurist or dispensationalist view. The historicist or symbolic interpretations also have significant merit as would a semi-preterist view. I wouldn’t really go for a hardline preterist view since there are too many issues there. I just threw it out there since it is the exact opposite of dispensationalist thinking.

    Besides, the current dispensationalist view as popularized by stuff like the Left Behind series is a very very recent development in thought on the book of Revelations.

    On Israel, I would take the stance of many Orthodox Jews that the current state of Israel can’t fulfill nuthin’ since it is really a secular ethno-state and now a religious Jewish state in any regard.

    Right hand or left hand?

    You can tell the Jews were pastoral people since the sheep were favored (right hand) and the goats were out of favor (left hand). Having been around both sheep and goats, my own take has been that goats are the Tweaker Punk-Ass Meth-Heads of the livestock world. Truly the devil’s own creature. If there is any piece of livestock which has a high probability of ending up standing on your car roof it will be a goat.

    It’s always fun to really “get” those biblical references first hand!

  167. @A123
    @German_reader



    In fact, I had to stop watching the Republican debate for the same reason.
     
    They want war with Iran.
     
    Who is "They"? Who stated during the debate that they want to attack Iran? Also, remember the inevitable GOP candidate was not there. If someone, with at best marginal support, said something stupid it represents them, not the MAGA/GOP.

    MAGA policy during Trump's 1st term was containing Iran. He refused to be baited by sociopath Khamenei's repeated provocations. There's every reason to believe that Trump's 2nd term will resume this policy.

    Religious zealots in the Iranian theocracy want might find some way to start a war. That side is the far more pressing danger. Losing primary candidates and former officials (Pompeo, Bolton, etc.) have no war powers.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @German_reader

    You know quite well that a huge amount the Republican Party has had a hard-on for a hot war with Iran since the GW days. Guys like Bolton or Graham are very vocal about it, but I would venture to guess that almost all Republicans would enthusiastically get on board if it was in the works.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Barbarossa


    You know quite well that a huge amount the Republican Party has had a hard-on for a hot war with Iran since the GW days

     

    You know quite well that MAGA is actively and enthusiastically pushing out establishment warmongers from the GW days. I regularly use the term NeoConDemocrat to explicitly call out this change over.

    Guys like Bolton or Graham are very vocal about it
     
    If Bolton reenters politics, he would have to do so as a Democrat. He is even less popular than Mike Pence in the MAGA GOP.

    Yes, Lindsey Graham is an aggravating holdover. However, he is not a MAGA leader. In any group there will always he a few outliers. That is human nature in action. Six year terms in the Senate are exceptionally sticky in this regard.


    almost all Republicans would enthusiastically get on board if it was in the works.
     
    Almost all war party Democrats would enthusiastically get on board if it was in the works. MAGA would wisely resist putting boots in the ground in Iran. Not-The-President Biden cannot obtain a Declaration of War (or even an AUMF) to invade Iran.

    The hope for change there is internal. State Owned Enterprises have transformed the no longer revolutionary guard corps into aspiring capitalists. Iran could easily go the el-Sisi route to rejoin the community of civilized nations. Externally applied military force is obviously counter productive to this goal.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  168. @Barbarossa
    @A123

    You know quite well that a huge amount the Republican Party has had a hard-on for a hot war with Iran since the GW days. Guys like Bolton or Graham are very vocal about it, but I would venture to guess that almost all Republicans would enthusiastically get on board if it was in the works.

    Replies: @A123

    You know quite well that a huge amount the Republican Party has had a hard-on for a hot war with Iran since the GW days

    You know quite well that MAGA is actively and enthusiastically pushing out establishment warmongers from the GW days. I regularly use the term NeoConDemocrat to explicitly call out this change over.

    Guys like Bolton or Graham are very vocal about it

    If Bolton reenters politics, he would have to do so as a Democrat. He is even less popular than Mike Pence in the MAGA GOP.

    Yes, Lindsey Graham is an aggravating holdover. However, he is not a MAGA leader. In any group there will always he a few outliers. That is human nature in action. Six year terms in the Senate are exceptionally sticky in this regard.

    almost all Republicans would enthusiastically get on board if it was in the works.

    Almost all war party Democrats would enthusiastically get on board if it was in the works. MAGA would wisely resist putting boots in the ground in Iran. Not-The-President Biden cannot obtain a Declaration of War (or even an AUMF) to invade Iran.

    The hope for change there is internal. State Owned Enterprises have transformed the no longer revolutionary guard corps into aspiring capitalists. Iran could easily go the el-Sisi route to rejoin the community of civilized nations. Externally applied military force is obviously counter productive to this goal.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @A123

    My experience is that in the rank and file MAGA folks there is much more ingrained loyalty to the GW style militarism than a dubiousness for forever wars. They have been on the "support the troops" and "fight them there so we don't have to here" mindset for decades and it is generally very ingrained.

    And even with Trump, it's not like he is necessarily opposed to a war, he just wants one that can be chalked up as a win. I think that Trump would have no issue with an Iran invasion if it seemed promising.

    Indirect regime change in Iran is certainly preferable in many Washington minds than invasion at this point, especially since we don't exactly have any rock solid staging base in Iraq, LOL.

    However, if there was a direct conflict with Iran I would be completely shocked if almost all the MAGA folks around me didn't enthusiastically support it with much waving or Israeli flags.

    Replies: @A123

  169. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    In fact, I had to stop watching the Republican debate for the same reason.
     
    They want war with Iran. Which would be an absolute disaster, a lot worse than Iraq, and might be the final nail in the coffin of America's ever so benevolent hegemony. Also a good chance it will turn out very badly for Jews in the end since their ethnocentric lobbying efforts would be correctly identified as having played a major role in bringing about such a catastrophe.

    Replies: @A123, @Mikel

    They want war with Iran.

    They’re desperate for it, especially the ones that Trump hired for his administration. If they had the same level of enthusiasm for immigration, wokeness, censorship and crime the Republican party would be in a great position. And anyone with a clear stand on those issues should beat Biden easily too, they’re all winning positions for most ordinary Americans. Instead, they try to outdo each other on who would hit Iran the hardest and give Israel the most unconditional support. Vivek is perhaps the most solid one on the issues but he comes across untrustworthy with his oversized ego. Anyway, if the MSM and Silicon Valley make Biden beat Trump again it will be a totally self-inflicted defeat and the US is changing so fast that I don’t know how much 2028 will matter.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikel


    the ones that Trump hired for his administration.
     
    Do you mean the ones that Mitch McConnell and the Non-MAGA Senate forced into the administration over Trump's objections?

    anyone with a clear stand on those issues should beat Biden easily
     
    Trump has a clear stand on those issues and will beat Biden easily.

    In his 1st term he shunned the warmongers, like Mitch McConnell's hire John Bolton, and refused to bite on Khamenei's provocations. Trump's track record avoiding new wars with Iran and elsewhere is a proven success story.

     
    https://modres.files.wordpress.com/2021/01/presidentswars.jpg
     

    If you want to be constructive, you should work on a MAGA Senate to support Trump's 2nd term. That would significantly improve (though not fully eliminate) inappropriate choices being forced into the administration over Trump's objections.

    PEACE 😇
    , @German_reader
    @Mikel


    and the US is changing so fast that I don’t know how much 2028 will matter.
     
    I recently saw claims on (formerly) Twitter that Biden's administration in three years has let in as many Latinos as had come in the previous 250 years. It's really extraordinary how immigration has escalated in recent years both in North America and key parts of Europe like Britain and Germany. I'm normally not one to believe in behind the scenes conspiracies, but sometimes I do wonder if this isn't to some extent a coordinated effort. The stated reasons for those policies don't make any sense either.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Wokechoke

    , @Beckow
    @Mikel


    ...he comes across untrustworthy with his oversized ego
     
    Isn't it in general true about all politicians?

    We have a blood-thirst, everyone wants a war. People don't listen, they emotionally shut down what they don't agree with. The odds of a fiery conflagration are better than we realize.

    The last few years will be summarized in a Chapter called Causes. But the real cause of this sh.t-storm is that we have had relative peace for too long, there are too many people, the business is stalled world-wide, the elites are powerless and thus suffer from hysteria. And we just don't like each other that much.

    Let's see, the three current bright Western ideas are to expel the Palis and hope that the billion of their angry supporters will stay quiet. To defeat Russia by using lots of newly-created money and a few hundred thousand not very smart Ukies. And to do something about China - it's not clear what, move the sweat-shops back to Glasgow or drug them again, something has to be done but the details are fuzzy.

    After decades of planning this is what they came up with? No wonder they are panicking.

  170. @Mikel
    @German_reader


    They want war with Iran.
     
    They're desperate for it, especially the ones that Trump hired for his administration. If they had the same level of enthusiasm for immigration, wokeness, censorship and crime the Republican party would be in a great position. And anyone with a clear stand on those issues should beat Biden easily too, they're all winning positions for most ordinary Americans. Instead, they try to outdo each other on who would hit Iran the hardest and give Israel the most unconditional support. Vivek is perhaps the most solid one on the issues but he comes across untrustworthy with his oversized ego. Anyway, if the MSM and Silicon Valley make Biden beat Trump again it will be a totally self-inflicted defeat and the US is changing so fast that I don't know how much 2028 will matter.

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader, @Beckow

    the ones that Trump hired for his administration.

    Do you mean the ones that Mitch McConnell and the Non-MAGA Senate forced into the administration over Trump’s objections?

    anyone with a clear stand on those issues should beat Biden easily

    Trump has a clear stand on those issues and will beat Biden easily.

    In his 1st term he shunned the warmongers, like Mitch McConnell’s hire John Bolton, and refused to bite on Khamenei’s provocations. Trump’s track record avoiding new wars with Iran and elsewhere is a proven success story.

     

     

    If you want to be constructive, you should work on a MAGA Senate to support Trump’s 2nd term. That would significantly improve (though not fully eliminate) inappropriate choices being forced into the administration over Trump’s objections.

    PEACE 😇

  171. @A123
    @German_reader



    In fact, I had to stop watching the Republican debate for the same reason.
     
    They want war with Iran.
     
    Who is "They"? Who stated during the debate that they want to attack Iran? Also, remember the inevitable GOP candidate was not there. If someone, with at best marginal support, said something stupid it represents them, not the MAGA/GOP.

    MAGA policy during Trump's 1st term was containing Iran. He refused to be baited by sociopath Khamenei's repeated provocations. There's every reason to believe that Trump's 2nd term will resume this policy.

    Religious zealots in the Iranian theocracy want might find some way to start a war. That side is the far more pressing danger. Losing primary candidates and former officials (Pompeo, Bolton, etc.) have no war powers.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @German_reader

    I didn’t watch the debate myself, based my opinion on this summary:
    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/republican-debate-israel/
    If it’s inaccurate, you can point that out. But the statements by Haley and some others about cutting off the head of the snake seem quite unequivocal.

    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader

    I did not watch the junior league either. Lets run the numbers assuming your source is correct.

    • The statements by Haley ~8% and Scott ~2% are indeed clear. So, ~10% are FOR.
    • Trump ~60% and Vivek ~3% are also clear ~63% AGAINST.
    • DeSantis was non committal on the direct point, though blaming Not-The-President Biden was decent ground to stake out.

    So, the MAGA GOP is at least 6:1 AGAINST a stupid war in Iran. That seems vaguely credible, though 8:1 or 9:1 seems more likely. A couple of minor players desperate for attention are advocating "cutting off the head of the snake" policies. They will never have a chance to enact them, because they are a huge minority in the GOP.

    Hopefully the outburst will impair Haley's run, placing her on a downward trajectory in the next few polls.

    PEACE 😇

  172. Haley and Scott say that stuff because they know that they will never be President. If they were serious contenders, they’d be much more circumspect in their language. Don’t take their rhetoric seriously

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Greasy William


    Haley and Scott say that stuff because they know that they will never be President.
     
    You mean that they (and Pence and Christie and all the rest) say it because, knowing that they won't be President allows them to speak their minds more freely? Is that not even worse? With such a political class is it any wonder that we're back to the Cold War (with no ideological differences of any import)?
  173. German_reader says:
    @Mikel
    @German_reader


    They want war with Iran.
     
    They're desperate for it, especially the ones that Trump hired for his administration. If they had the same level of enthusiasm for immigration, wokeness, censorship and crime the Republican party would be in a great position. And anyone with a clear stand on those issues should beat Biden easily too, they're all winning positions for most ordinary Americans. Instead, they try to outdo each other on who would hit Iran the hardest and give Israel the most unconditional support. Vivek is perhaps the most solid one on the issues but he comes across untrustworthy with his oversized ego. Anyway, if the MSM and Silicon Valley make Biden beat Trump again it will be a totally self-inflicted defeat and the US is changing so fast that I don't know how much 2028 will matter.

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader, @Beckow

    and the US is changing so fast that I don’t know how much 2028 will matter.

    I recently saw claims on (formerly) Twitter that Biden’s administration in three years has let in as many Latinos as had come in the previous 250 years. It’s really extraordinary how immigration has escalated in recent years both in North America and key parts of Europe like Britain and Germany. I’m normally not one to believe in behind the scenes conspiracies, but sometimes I do wonder if this isn’t to some extent a coordinated effort. The stated reasons for those policies don’t make any sense either.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @German_reader


    The stated reasons for those policies don’t make any sense either.
     
    None whatsoever. As far as I know, nobody in Europe pretends that the people crossing the Mediterranean are not primarily economic migrants but the millions that the US is letting in from Latin America and other places are admitted as "asylum seekers". The idea that all of a sudden so many millions need to flee their countries for political reasons and the only solution for the US is to let them in and supposedly spend tens of millions of man-hours at some point in the future examining the merits of each of their applications is so ridiculous that it's hard to understand how people are accepting it so meekly. It's just obvious that someone wants to radically change the demographics of the US.

    As I've mentioned in the past, I happen to know some of these asylum seekers. I hire them sometimes. I won't deny that they're cheaper so that's probably one of the reasons for the invasion. Some people clearly benefit from their presence, including myself at times. But the long term effects are not difficult to imagine. The other day I had a run-in with a Venezuelan truck driver that Home Depot sent me. A very unpleasant guy with a tremendous attitude. We ended up cursing at each other in Spanish (the only language he spoke). I know a family of asylum seekers who have been here for some 8 years but haven't bothered learning English. What for? Everything can be done in Spanish in Utah these days, including getting the husband's professional license. I have no idea if anyone has ever examined their asylum claim but it doesn't matter, they're not going anywhere. They've already had two children that were born in the US and are thus American citizens. It's interesting how nobody mentions deportations of the illegal population anymore. In 2016 it was at least conceivable in theory though obviously nobody was going to expel 11-30 million people anywhere. Now it's a pipe dream.

    Replies: @German_reader, @QCIC, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    , @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    I know you can’t say Jew, so I’ll say it for you.

  174. Apparently they also have those climate change activists blocking traffic in Panama.
    An American boomer got out of his car and shot two of them:
    https://nitter.1d4.us/OliLondonTV/status/1722452548462797116#m

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @German_reader

    This is not very known, but Germany, for all the dooming about it, is actually in a healthier state than the other west euro nations. Of the current 0-18 cohort, 81% are Euros, 6% Turks, 9% MENA and only 2% Asian and 1.5% African. And yet they're already pushing for remigration.

    Compare with France, where 30-35% of the births are already Maghrebis and blacks, and yet the people are busy protesting pensions reforms. Same for the other countries where fast replacement is happening -- Anglosphere, Benelux, Sweden -- where the pushback also feels weak

    Sure, Germany is far from being perfect. It has a low birthrate, like Japan, and has had one for decades. Aging is bound to have severe consequences. But turning into Japan is incomparably better than turning into Brazil.

    https://nitter.net/dobrerestored/status/1722629839440720248#m

    Thoughts? Bit of a doofus wignat but yea..

    Replies: @German_reader

  175. @German_reader
    @Barbarossa


    She was mentioning a book which mentioned the sinking of the civilian loaded Wilhem Gustloff, which was I believe the worst maritime disaster in history.
     
    There were others in WW2 which were somewhat similar:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Lancastria
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_hospital_ship_Armenia

    Anyway, I normally don't even think there's much point to re-litigating something like the allied bombing offensive in WW2. But there's something profoundly warped about those militant Westerners who always believe they're re-fighting WW2 and get off on rather extreme fantasies about cathartic violence and collective punishment. It's a type that seems to have proliferated in Germany in recent years, strange phenomenon.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @AnonfromTN

    I normally don’t even think there’s much point to re-litigating something like the allied bombing offensive in WW2

    Generally speaking, no. However, history has predictive value. We must remember what countries bombed Dresden, killing and maiming thousands of civilians. We must also remember that a different country kicked Nazis out of Dresden. Every country has its specialization, and those do not change.

  176. @German_reader
    @A123

    I didn't watch the debate myself, based my opinion on this summary:
    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/republican-debate-israel/
    If it's inaccurate, you can point that out. But the statements by Haley and some others about cutting off the head of the snake seem quite unequivocal.

    Replies: @A123

    I did not watch the junior league either. Lets run the numbers assuming your source is correct.

    • The statements by Haley ~8% and Scott ~2% are indeed clear. So, ~10% are FOR.
    • Trump ~60% and Vivek ~3% are also clear ~63% AGAINST.
    • DeSantis was non committal on the direct point, though blaming Not-The-President Biden was decent ground to stake out.

    So, the MAGA GOP is at least 6:1 AGAINST a stupid war in Iran. That seems vaguely credible, though 8:1 or 9:1 seems more likely. A couple of minor players desperate for attention are advocating “cutting off the head of the snake” policies. They will never have a chance to enact them, because they are a huge minority in the GOP.

    Hopefully the outburst will impair Haley’s run, placing her on a downward trajectory in the next few polls.

    PEACE 😇

  177. Sher Singh says:
    @German_reader
    Apparently they also have those climate change activists blocking traffic in Panama.
    An American boomer got out of his car and shot two of them:
    https://nitter.1d4.us/OliLondonTV/status/1722452548462797116#m

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    This is not very known, but Germany, for all the dooming about it, is actually in a healthier state than the other west euro nations. Of the current 0-18 cohort, 81% are Euros, 6% Turks, 9% MENA and only 2% Asian and 1.5% African. And yet they’re already pushing for remigration.

    Compare with France, where 30-35% of the births are already Maghrebis and blacks, and yet the people are busy protesting pensions reforms. Same for the other countries where fast replacement is happening — Anglosphere, Benelux, Sweden — where the pushback also feels weak

    Sure, Germany is far from being perfect. It has a low birthrate, like Japan, and has had one for decades. Aging is bound to have severe consequences. But turning into Japan is incomparably better than turning into Brazil.

    https://nitter.net/dobrerestored/status/1722629839440720248#m

    Thoughts? Bit of a doofus wignat but yea..

    • Agree: LondonBob, Barbarossa
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Sher Singh


    Thoughts?
     
    Maybe a bit too optimistic, but I agree that I don't think it's totally hopeless for Germany.
    Quite a bit of regional variation though. AfD is doing well in East Germany, and also has had quite a bit of success in the recent state elections in Bavaria and Hesse (in rural areas, smaller towns etc.). People in North-Rhine-Westphalia and North Germany seem irredeemably fucked in the head though. If present trends continue, I would hope the country eventually splits up, or that at least there'll be areas where the right-wing counter-culture becomes dominant.
  178. Relentless Russian advances around Avdeevka, despite the Ukrainian reserves rushed there. Things are beginning to come apart.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @LondonBob

    Relentless Russian advances around Avdeevka, despite the Ukrainian reserves rushed there. Things are beginning to come apart.

    The Ukrainians have destroyed 3 separate armored attack columns. The videos are all at Funker530.

    Too early to say which side will prevail.

    There is a rumor that Russia plans on launching a massive human wave attack. This could be the massive WW1 style attack we joked about last year. Marching huge waves of men while artillery blows them to pieces.

    Perhaps it is a last ditch effort before the rain comes? Could get really bloody in the next 48 hours.

    Looks pretty cold for the attackers. A bad time to wait in the field for a medic. But who are we kidding, they won't be getting medivacs.
    https://www.accuweather.com/en/ua/avdiivka/322035/weather-forecast/322035

    Good luck Russian orcs. It is now time to die for the dwarf king and his glorious empire. I hope you enjoyed your time on earth.

    , @AP
    @LondonBob


    Relentless Russian advances around Avdeevka, despite the Ukrainian reserves rushed there. Things are beginning to come apart.
     
    Reminder that you wrote in November 2022:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-202/#comment-5673059

    So the rest of the Ukrainian electrical grid has now been taken out, surely a big Russian offensive coming shortly. The nightmare scenario has now unfolded for Europe, and the West. Plenty of chances to strike a deal, now the Russians aren’t interested, wave of refugees, economic collapse accelerating, blackouts and a decisive NATO defeat incoming

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-201/#comment-5653346

    Watching Douglas Macgregor being interviewed on Redacted he makes the additional point that Russia is marshalling its forces for the big offensive, these are elite forces which will lead any assault, so require rest and refitting beforehand.

    January of this year:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-207/#comment-5779071

    Ugledar on the menu now. Unless a large reserve is being kept and trained than maybe the locals will be wrong and it will be all over before the end of the summer.

    [Vuhledar was a major Russian defeat]

    Replies: @LondonBob

  179. https://sonar21.com/u-s-inching-towards-world-war-iii-while-biden-administration-hides-u-s-casualties/

    Good piece by Larry, Israeli losses in Gaza and American losses in Mesopotamia are being covered up. Seems like the Israelis are releasing the names of dead officers and omitting the names of lower ranks.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @LondonBob


    Seems like the Israelis are releasing the names of dead officers and omitting the names of lower ranks.
     
    Would be completely impossible in Israeli society.

    Hamas is getting creamed but it doesn't necessarily mean anything. Hamas are amateurs and their fighting methods are only effective when Israel strives to avoid civilian casualties, which the IDF is blatantly not doing in this round.

    The real challenge for Israel is going to be the coming war against Lebanon/Syria/Iran, a much geographically broader front against a much more skilled and better equipped enemy.

    It's crazy that Lebanon is just sitting back and watching Gaza get annihilated. When Israel invades Lebanon, the Lebanese will have nobody to help them.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Dmitry, @A123

  180. @LondonBob
    Relentless Russian advances around Avdeevka, despite the Ukrainian reserves rushed there. Things are beginning to come apart.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP

    Relentless Russian advances around Avdeevka, despite the Ukrainian reserves rushed there. Things are beginning to come apart.

    The Ukrainians have destroyed 3 separate armored attack columns. The videos are all at Funker530.

    Too early to say which side will prevail.

    There is a rumor that Russia plans on launching a massive human wave attack. This could be the massive WW1 style attack we joked about last year. Marching huge waves of men while artillery blows them to pieces.

    Perhaps it is a last ditch effort before the rain comes? Could get really bloody in the next 48 hours.

    Looks pretty cold for the attackers. A bad time to wait in the field for a medic. But who are we kidding, they won’t be getting medivacs.
    https://www.accuweather.com/en/ua/avdiivka/322035/weather-forecast/322035

    Good luck Russian orcs. It is now time to die for the dwarf king and his glorious empire. I hope you enjoyed your time on earth.

    • Troll: Mikhail
  181. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    and the US is changing so fast that I don’t know how much 2028 will matter.
     
    I recently saw claims on (formerly) Twitter that Biden's administration in three years has let in as many Latinos as had come in the previous 250 years. It's really extraordinary how immigration has escalated in recent years both in North America and key parts of Europe like Britain and Germany. I'm normally not one to believe in behind the scenes conspiracies, but sometimes I do wonder if this isn't to some extent a coordinated effort. The stated reasons for those policies don't make any sense either.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Wokechoke

    The stated reasons for those policies don’t make any sense either.

    None whatsoever. As far as I know, nobody in Europe pretends that the people crossing the Mediterranean are not primarily economic migrants but the millions that the US is letting in from Latin America and other places are admitted as “asylum seekers”. The idea that all of a sudden so many millions need to flee their countries for political reasons and the only solution for the US is to let them in and supposedly spend tens of millions of man-hours at some point in the future examining the merits of each of their applications is so ridiculous that it’s hard to understand how people are accepting it so meekly. It’s just obvious that someone wants to radically change the demographics of the US.

    As I’ve mentioned in the past, I happen to know some of these asylum seekers. I hire them sometimes. I won’t deny that they’re cheaper so that’s probably one of the reasons for the invasion. Some people clearly benefit from their presence, including myself at times. But the long term effects are not difficult to imagine. The other day I had a run-in with a Venezuelan truck driver that Home Depot sent me. A very unpleasant guy with a tremendous attitude. We ended up cursing at each other in Spanish (the only language he spoke). I know a family of asylum seekers who have been here for some 8 years but haven’t bothered learning English. What for? Everything can be done in Spanish in Utah these days, including getting the husband’s professional license. I have no idea if anyone has ever examined their asylum claim but it doesn’t matter, they’re not going anywhere. They’ve already had two children that were born in the US and are thus American citizens. It’s interesting how nobody mentions deportations of the illegal population anymore. In 2016 it was at least conceivable in theory though obviously nobody was going to expel 11-30 million people anywhere. Now it’s a pipe dream.

    • Thanks: German_reader
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mikel


    nobody in Europe pretends that the people crossing the Mediterranean are not primarily economic migrants
     
    In Germany that is the pretense, "asylum" is the magic door opener. Essentially the position is that you can't reject anybody at the borders, because they have a right to have their asylum application heard. And once people are inside the country, virtually nobody ever gets deported.
    I'm surprised it plays such a prominent role with Latin Americans in the US. Apart maybe from Venezuela and Cuba I can't even think of any possible grounds for claiming asylum. Most of these countries are at least semi-democratic in the sense of having regular elections and there aren't any large-scale wars in Latin America either. Even most internal insurgencies have died down. Sure, there's a lot of corruption and crime, so I suppose that's enough reason for Open Borderites.

    Replies: @AP

    , @QCIC
    @Mikel

    The migrant repatriation project is easy. After all, it's the human thing to do and if we all work together imagine what can be accomplished!

    Take 500 unused airliners*, 1 round trip per day (fly home empty, saves fuel), average 100 people each. 50,000 repatriated migrants per day!

    Three years is over 1000 days, so in that time 50,000,000 people (fifty million!) can be joyfully returned to their childhood homes from which they were brutally dragged by the White man's capitalism!

    Easy peasy!

    *Use 25 airports on either end of the trip home, 20 flights per day. The social cost savings would pay for the transport in real time, no amortization required. People who are currently dealing with the unhealthy immigration problem would have to take up many of the jobs performed by migrants. A lot of those jobs are make work so there is no problem.

    The overseas repatriation project is about the same. With modern air travel there is no reason these oppressed people have to put up with the dreaded Anglo-Americans. Boeing made the world a more compassionate place.

    These heartfelt activities might disrupt some sections of the economy so a case could be made to extend the program over a longer time. On the other hand, sometimes jumping into the cold water head first is best, so maybe knock out both programs in two years. The planes, crews and fuel all exist. Hmmm.

    Think of the healing!

    Next problem?

    Replies: @A123

    , @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Mikel


    Now it’s a pipe dream.
     


    https://twitter.com/kunley_drukpa/status/1723427867306918176
  182. @LondonBob
    https://sonar21.com/u-s-inching-towards-world-war-iii-while-biden-administration-hides-u-s-casualties/

    Good piece by Larry, Israeli losses in Gaza and American losses in Mesopotamia are being covered up. Seems like the Israelis are releasing the names of dead officers and omitting the names of lower ranks.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Seems like the Israelis are releasing the names of dead officers and omitting the names of lower ranks.

    Would be completely impossible in Israeli society.

    Hamas is getting creamed but it doesn’t necessarily mean anything. Hamas are amateurs and their fighting methods are only effective when Israel strives to avoid civilian casualties, which the IDF is blatantly not doing in this round.

    The real challenge for Israel is going to be the coming war against Lebanon/Syria/Iran, a much geographically broader front against a much more skilled and better equipped enemy.

    It’s crazy that Lebanon is just sitting back and watching Gaza get annihilated. When Israel invades Lebanon, the Lebanese will have nobody to help them.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    It’s crazy that Lebanon is just sitting back and watching Gaza get annihilated.
     
    Lebanon is not alone in this. Many a lot more serious geopolitical players are using Israeli genocide of Palestinians for PR purposes, but nobody gives a hoot about >2 million Gaza residents. The only law in this world is the law of the jungle.
    , @Dmitry
    @Greasy William

    Israel had low deaths of soldiers so far in this war. I think it was 32 or 33 in the ground attack for now.

    Some people cannot believe in the Russian social media space, where people live in low-trust countries where the culture is different and government data is not real. Russian/Ukrainian netizens also are comparing to war in Ukraine, where more soldiers die in a single artillery attack.

    Ukraine vs Russia disorganized, feudal-style of governments using infantry human wave attacks to Bakhmut or armored vehicles into mine fields in Zaporozhye or Avdeyevka. Governments of Russia and Ukraine don't know how many soldiers are fighting in the war. They also don't know how many people live in the country.

    Most of the information about the war in Ukraine, is from uploading videos to Telegram, like the military units are kind of feudal gangs, with no interest in the operational secrecy, while asking for netizens to send them equipment.

    Israel is a more boring, organized Western state, which follows textbooks. The army moves slow. They follow military textbook. They don't upload the videos to Telegram to show their position. They don't do the human wave attacks. They try to remove the mines before driving the vehicles. They are outsourcing a lot of the decisions to the military textbooks and formal processes, which is an advantage from the view of the tactics, although the habit to outsource decisions can be a problem for strategy and probably goes to the top with creating of indecisive political leaders.

    There are pluses and minuses of the developed countries. We talk a lot about the minuses. Israel is an example of a modern state without having a strategy. Most Western countries are like this now, without strategy except following their rules.

    The modern state follows its rules and becomes impersonal, in a way the rule-following behavior becomes the plan, instead of a method.

    But one of the pluses at least you won't be doing human wave style of attacks in Bakhmut or uploading videos on Telegram asking for netizens to donate drones to your unit in exchange for writing their name on bombs.


    Hamas are amateurs and their fighting methods are only effective
     
    Hamas are probably very skilled and effective. But they have the negative situation - light weapons only, limited ammunition. People with light weapons that can be moved into the tunnels under the border with Egypt, fighting against people with guided missiles.

    Hamas advantage is the international pressure against Israel, Geneva conventions and the lack of Israel having any long-term strategy.

    In the Gaza war in 2014, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Gaza_War

    In the long term, you could say Hamas has won the 2014 Gaza war, as Hamas becomes stronger after the war, while Israel reduced international support. Israel had meaningless tactical victories, Hamas had meaningful strategic victories.

    Hamas won the war because it had some kind of strategy, while Israel outsources so many decisions to the rules and formal process, they seemed to avoid a strategy about Gaza.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @LondonBob

    , @A123
    @Greasy William


    The real challenge for Israel is going to be the coming war against Lebanon/Syria/Iran, a much geographically broader front against a much more skilled and better equipped enemy.

    It’s crazy that Lebanon is just sitting back and watching Gaza get annihilated. When Israel invades Lebanon, the Lebanese will have nobody to help them.
     

    Iranian Hamas accidentally changed Israeli strategy:
        • From / Policing -- Which was marginally effective.
        • To / War -- Where the IDF has massive advantages.
    Hamas needs an outside rescue to survive, and none is coming.

    Russia is keeping their client Syria out of the fray. This is no surprise as Russia has been allowing Israel to strike freely at Iranian targets for some time.

    Hezbollah/Iran have no options. The claim of tens of thousands of accurate missiles is apparently a bluff. They simply have no viable option for a ground offensive into Jewish Palestine on a highly predictable front. Plus, they would have to butcher the blue helmets of UNIFIL who are in the way.

    PEACE 😇

  183. @Mikel
    @German_reader


    They want war with Iran.
     
    They're desperate for it, especially the ones that Trump hired for his administration. If they had the same level of enthusiasm for immigration, wokeness, censorship and crime the Republican party would be in a great position. And anyone with a clear stand on those issues should beat Biden easily too, they're all winning positions for most ordinary Americans. Instead, they try to outdo each other on who would hit Iran the hardest and give Israel the most unconditional support. Vivek is perhaps the most solid one on the issues but he comes across untrustworthy with his oversized ego. Anyway, if the MSM and Silicon Valley make Biden beat Trump again it will be a totally self-inflicted defeat and the US is changing so fast that I don't know how much 2028 will matter.

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader, @Beckow

    …he comes across untrustworthy with his oversized ego

    Isn’t it in general true about all politicians?

    We have a blood-thirst, everyone wants a war. People don’t listen, they emotionally shut down what they don’t agree with. The odds of a fiery conflagration are better than we realize.

    The last few years will be summarized in a Chapter called Causes. But the real cause of this sh.t-storm is that we have had relative peace for too long, there are too many people, the business is stalled world-wide, the elites are powerless and thus suffer from hysteria. And we just don’t like each other that much.

    Let’s see, the three current bright Western ideas are to expel the Palis and hope that the billion of their angry supporters will stay quiet. To defeat Russia by using lots of newly-created money and a few hundred thousand not very smart Ukies. And to do something about China – it’s not clear what, move the sweat-shops back to Glasgow or drug them again, something has to be done but the details are fuzzy.

    After decades of planning this is what they came up with? No wonder they are panicking.

  184. @Greasy William
    @LondonBob


    Seems like the Israelis are releasing the names of dead officers and omitting the names of lower ranks.
     
    Would be completely impossible in Israeli society.

    Hamas is getting creamed but it doesn't necessarily mean anything. Hamas are amateurs and their fighting methods are only effective when Israel strives to avoid civilian casualties, which the IDF is blatantly not doing in this round.

    The real challenge for Israel is going to be the coming war against Lebanon/Syria/Iran, a much geographically broader front against a much more skilled and better equipped enemy.

    It's crazy that Lebanon is just sitting back and watching Gaza get annihilated. When Israel invades Lebanon, the Lebanese will have nobody to help them.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Dmitry, @A123

    It’s crazy that Lebanon is just sitting back and watching Gaza get annihilated.

    Lebanon is not alone in this. Many a lot more serious geopolitical players are using Israeli genocide of Palestinians for PR purposes, but nobody gives a hoot about >2 million Gaza residents. The only law in this world is the law of the jungle.

  185. Trump’s Nazi Arab lawyer Alina Habba is so beautiful

  186. @A123
    @Barbarossa


    You know quite well that a huge amount the Republican Party has had a hard-on for a hot war with Iran since the GW days

     

    You know quite well that MAGA is actively and enthusiastically pushing out establishment warmongers from the GW days. I regularly use the term NeoConDemocrat to explicitly call out this change over.

    Guys like Bolton or Graham are very vocal about it
     
    If Bolton reenters politics, he would have to do so as a Democrat. He is even less popular than Mike Pence in the MAGA GOP.

    Yes, Lindsey Graham is an aggravating holdover. However, he is not a MAGA leader. In any group there will always he a few outliers. That is human nature in action. Six year terms in the Senate are exceptionally sticky in this regard.


    almost all Republicans would enthusiastically get on board if it was in the works.
     
    Almost all war party Democrats would enthusiastically get on board if it was in the works. MAGA would wisely resist putting boots in the ground in Iran. Not-The-President Biden cannot obtain a Declaration of War (or even an AUMF) to invade Iran.

    The hope for change there is internal. State Owned Enterprises have transformed the no longer revolutionary guard corps into aspiring capitalists. Iran could easily go the el-Sisi route to rejoin the community of civilized nations. Externally applied military force is obviously counter productive to this goal.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    My experience is that in the rank and file MAGA folks there is much more ingrained loyalty to the GW style militarism than a dubiousness for forever wars. They have been on the “support the troops” and “fight them there so we don’t have to here” mindset for decades and it is generally very ingrained.

    And even with Trump, it’s not like he is necessarily opposed to a war, he just wants one that can be chalked up as a win. I think that Trump would have no issue with an Iran invasion if it seemed promising.

    Indirect regime change in Iran is certainly preferable in many Washington minds than invasion at this point, especially since we don’t exactly have any rock solid staging base in Iraq, LOL.

    However, if there was a direct conflict with Iran I would be completely shocked if almost all the MAGA folks around me didn’t enthusiastically support it with much waving or Israeli flags.

    • Agree: Mikel
    • Replies: @A123
    @Barbarossa

    My experience with rank & file MAGA folks -- "Losing the Peace" in Iraq drove huge numbers away from GW style militarism. The massive failure in Ukraine has intensified open opposition to idiotic Forever Wars. Establishment GW supporters are now on the DNC side.

    I am not aware of a single MAGA supporter, even second hand, that would opt for putting boots on the ground in Iran. It is a ludicrous non-starter as a "war of choice".

    If Iran intentionally started a war with the U.S. then the MAGA rank & file would "support the troops". However, they would also demand a sensible plan towards victory. Something that is sorely lacking in Kiev aggression.
    ___

    Backing Judeo-Christian Israel against terrorist threats is something of a special case.

    -1- The fact that Islam intentionally targets children is so repugnant and inhumane that a response is necessary and justified. That being said, there is no huge rush of people hoisting blue & white flags.

    -2- SJW🏳️‍🌈Islam also generates support for Israel.

     
    https://media.notthebee.com/articles/64cd6673-889d-443b-b57a-892848d37317.jpg
     

    Things like this create massive sympathy for indigenous Palestinian Jews who are plagued with their own version of Only Black/Muslim Lives Matter.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

  187. @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You and I should agree not to discuss Nato in Ukraine. What looks obvious to any observer (Mearsheimer, Sachs,...) you deny. Fine, it is water under the bridge now, Kiev won't be in Nato - Russia won that part of the war.

    You know nothing about Finland and its economy: what it sells and buys. It is an advanced economy with high costs and lack of many essential resources - remoteness makes things costly. It has traded with Russia for the last 1000 years: when that works, Finland prospers. When the border is restricted, Finland does worse. Ask any Finnish businessman.

    Selling is not the point. It is about "selling for how much" - by joining Nato Finland switched to paying more, selling less to Russia and with higher costs. If the unthinkable happens Helsinki is an early target - up to this year it would be bypassed as neutral. That must feel really good.

    Your fabulation about Russia "invading Finland next" or hot talk on Russian talk shows displays your ignorance. Are Russians invading Bretagne next for the oysters? If we judge countries by the loose talk on shows or made-up spy leaks we will live in paranoia. Have you seen some of the nuts on the American shows? What does that have to with anything?


    The Ukrainians have more Nordic blood...Ukraine is not only Whiter but has stricter immigration controls.
     
    Now we are home: the proto-fascist inside you comes out. Nordic blood? no kidding...so why are they self-destructing like lemmings? Are Nordics into that too? It looks like that occasionally.

    It is a losing argument, your Nazi teenage fantasies only make you look lost. The "Nordic" ideology lost the biggest war in human history, WW2 - and Russia won it. You can't go back and redo it. We are living with the consequences and only an idiot would try to reverse it. Good luck.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @sudden death

    You and I should agree not to discuss Nato in Ukraine. What looks obvious to any observer (Mearsheimer, Sachs,…) you deny. Fine, it is water under the bridge now, Kiev won’t be in Nato – Russia won that part of the war.

    Not much of a discussion when you ignore most of my questions.

    We don’t know if Ukraine will join NATO. This war could go a lot of directions.

    Putin may be happy to get his Donbas consolation prize without neutrality for Ukraine.

    He rarely mentions NATO and in his recent speeches describes the war as protecting Donbas.

    You know nothing about Finland and its economy: what it sells and buys. It is an advanced economy with high costs and lack of many essential resources – remoteness makes things costly. It has traded with Russia for the last 1000 years: when that works

    What did I say was incorrect? Finland’s trade status with Russia is public record:

    https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-country/rus/partner/fin

    Their largest export to Russia is half a billion in copper. Whoopdy doo. Copper can be sold elsewhere.

    As with most of Europe they treat Russia like a gas station.

    No one cares about Russian products.

    Europeans just want to do a quick stop at Frodo’s Gas ‘n Nuke.

    Your fabulation about Russia “invading Finland next” or hot talk on Russian talk shows displays your ignorance.

    How would it be ignorance if no one knows the full plans of Putin?

    When Putin had his “training exercise” on the border it was military expert and masturbation specialist Scott Ritter that published a rant on Russian media on how Putin won’t invade and it’s all a CIA conspiracy. Didn’t age well.

    But I’m “ignorant” (it means to lack knowledge) for suggesting Putin could have invaded Finland? Why exactly? The Belarus doofus leaked the plan to invade Moldova after Ukraine. Why not add Finland as well? Putin probably wishes he went after Finland and Kazakhstan instead.

    Now we are home: the proto-fascist inside you comes out. Nordic blood?

    Yes they have more Nordic blood. You can call it Scandinavian blood if you want. I already had someone on here flip out by the suggestion and I backed the assertion with a DNA study. I can dig up that study if you would like.

    Russians have more Asian DNA while Ukrainians and Latvians have more Viking DNA. This shouldn’t be a surprise given the history of the area. The further East you go the more likely it is that the people were under Mongols and not the Swedes. I don’t know why this is so difficult. If anything the White nationalists have strange delusions about Russians. Anglin seemed to think they were pure bred White Christians.

    It is a losing argument, your Nazi teenage fantasies only make you look lost. The “Nordic” ideology lost the biggest war in human history.

    Most Germans aren’t Nordic and pointing out Viking influence and genetics does not make one a Nazi. The Vikings were real people with identifiable DNA. Yes it is a modern/leftist belief that European tribes never existed and all White people are just plain White. Well we can identify these groups with DNA even if leftists tell us they don’t exist.

    Largest Viking DNA study
    https://www.archaeology.org/issues/406-2101/features/9266-viking-genetic-study

  188. @Hapalong Cassidy
    Just stopped by to see if anything has changed on these threads, and nope it hasn’t. One obvious paid shill putting in a lot of hours and effort to monopolize the whole thread, as usual. Hope the money is worth it.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    I would imagine that UNZ would be the cushy sinecure of the paid online troll world, right? Wide latitude, long form discourse trollery at its finest. A place where the paid troll can really hone his craft at a leisurely pace.

    Imagine getting assigned to the Breitbart comments section or some similar hell-hole.

  189. @Derer
    @John Johnson

    You are so naive in believing that Finland joined NATO on their free will. You do not understand the Washington politburo methods of persuasion/coercion. That same politburo just "successfully" persuaded Ukrainian to join NATO.

    Replies: @WS, @John Johnson

    You are so naive in believing that Finland joined NATO on their free will. You do not understand the Washington politburo methods of persuasion/coercion.

    So why didn’t they pressure Finland into joining NATO during the last 20 years?

    That same politburo just “successfully” persuaded Ukrainian to join NATO.

    Ukraine has not joined NATO.

    Ukraine would have to apply before joining NATO and they don’t qualify for a variety of reasons, the current one being they are in a war. You can’t apply with a contended border and that is why they haven’t qualified since 2014.

    Ukraine would like to join NATO but we don’t know if it will happen. The war could end with them making a deal with Russia that includes neutrality. Putin will tout that as a success and his Totalitarian TV news won’t mention that Finland is in NATO and has more border with Russia.

    Putin could propose that Finland backs out of NATO as part of a deal. But he rarely talks about NATO which is one of many reasons why I don’t think that was the cause of the war. If NATO was truly the cause then he would have sent an ultimatum before attacking.

  190. @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You and I should agree not to discuss Nato in Ukraine. What looks obvious to any observer (Mearsheimer, Sachs,...) you deny. Fine, it is water under the bridge now, Kiev won't be in Nato - Russia won that part of the war.

    You know nothing about Finland and its economy: what it sells and buys. It is an advanced economy with high costs and lack of many essential resources - remoteness makes things costly. It has traded with Russia for the last 1000 years: when that works, Finland prospers. When the border is restricted, Finland does worse. Ask any Finnish businessman.

    Selling is not the point. It is about "selling for how much" - by joining Nato Finland switched to paying more, selling less to Russia and with higher costs. If the unthinkable happens Helsinki is an early target - up to this year it would be bypassed as neutral. That must feel really good.

    Your fabulation about Russia "invading Finland next" or hot talk on Russian talk shows displays your ignorance. Are Russians invading Bretagne next for the oysters? If we judge countries by the loose talk on shows or made-up spy leaks we will live in paranoia. Have you seen some of the nuts on the American shows? What does that have to with anything?


    The Ukrainians have more Nordic blood...Ukraine is not only Whiter but has stricter immigration controls.
     
    Now we are home: the proto-fascist inside you comes out. Nordic blood? no kidding...so why are they self-destructing like lemmings? Are Nordics into that too? It looks like that occasionally.

    It is a losing argument, your Nazi teenage fantasies only make you look lost. The "Nordic" ideology lost the biggest war in human history, WW2 - and Russia won it. You can't go back and redo it. We are living with the consequences and only an idiot would try to reverse it. Good luck.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @sudden death

    If the unthinkable happens Helsinki is an early target – up to this year it would be bypassed as neutral. That must feel really good.

    Reminder that neutral non-NATO Austria was the nuclear target and would have been bombed by Kremlin in case of war with NATO just as any other NATO country, so neutrality means jackshit in nuclear age. As in any other era too, when it was the time for serious SHTF;)

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @sudden death

    Reminder that neutral non-NATO Austria was the nuclear target and would have been bombed by Kremlin in case of war with NATO just as any other NATO country, so neutrality means jackshit in nuclear age. As in any other era too, when it was the time for serious SHTF;)

    Neutrality does mean something in the nuclear age.

    It means you are vulnerable to invasion. See: Ukraine.

    Austria at least has natural defenses and doesn't border Russia.

    Finland is vulnerable to invasion. Russia just has to take the southern tip. The rest of the country can be cut off and frozen into submission. Helsinki is on the water and is vulnerable to Naval attacks. A Russian convoy could pass as if it is headed to St. Petersburg and then open fire.

    I'm surprised that Finland didn't join NATO sooner. The scenario of a Russian dictator snapping up non-NATO countries was suggested decades ago. Finland was an obvious target.

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @Beckow
    @sudden death


    ....neutral non-NATO Austria was the nuclear target
     
    No, it wasn't, nobody was going to nuke Vienna. What you are talking about was in the case Nato used the Austrian territory to attack the Soviets and there was fighting in Austria. That was possible, Austria sits in the center of Europe. Helsinki in Nato is completely different, they are literally now the front-line - and they were not involved before if Finns would stay out. In any case, it it happens, it won't matter that much, we are all f...d...

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @sudden death

  191. @Greasy William
    Haley and Scott say that stuff because they know that they will never be President. If they were serious contenders, they'd be much more circumspect in their language. Don't take their rhetoric seriously

    Replies: @Mikel

    Haley and Scott say that stuff because they know that they will never be President.

    You mean that they (and Pence and Christie and all the rest) say it because, knowing that they won’t be President allows them to speak their minds more freely? Is that not even worse? With such a political class is it any wonder that we’re back to the Cold War (with no ideological differences of any import)?

  192. You mean that they (and Pence and Christie and all the rest) say it because, knowing that they won’t be President allows them to speak their minds more freely?

    Yeah

    Is that not even worse?

    Not really because we’ve always known that this was what they believed.

    No President is ever going to deliberately go to war with Russia, China or Iran, even though we know that they’d all love to do just that were it possible. That’s all that matters.

  193. @Greasy William
    @LondonBob


    Seems like the Israelis are releasing the names of dead officers and omitting the names of lower ranks.
     
    Would be completely impossible in Israeli society.

    Hamas is getting creamed but it doesn't necessarily mean anything. Hamas are amateurs and their fighting methods are only effective when Israel strives to avoid civilian casualties, which the IDF is blatantly not doing in this round.

    The real challenge for Israel is going to be the coming war against Lebanon/Syria/Iran, a much geographically broader front against a much more skilled and better equipped enemy.

    It's crazy that Lebanon is just sitting back and watching Gaza get annihilated. When Israel invades Lebanon, the Lebanese will have nobody to help them.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Dmitry, @A123

    Israel had low deaths of soldiers so far in this war. I think it was 32 or 33 in the ground attack for now.

    Some people cannot believe in the Russian social media space, where people live in low-trust countries where the culture is different and government data is not real. Russian/Ukrainian netizens also are comparing to war in Ukraine, where more soldiers die in a single artillery attack.

    Ukraine vs Russia disorganized, feudal-style of governments using infantry human wave attacks to Bakhmut or armored vehicles into mine fields in Zaporozhye or Avdeyevka. Governments of Russia and Ukraine don’t know how many soldiers are fighting in the war. They also don’t know how many people live in the country.

    Most of the information about the war in Ukraine, is from uploading videos to Telegram, like the military units are kind of feudal gangs, with no interest in the operational secrecy, while asking for netizens to send them equipment.

    Israel is a more boring, organized Western state, which follows textbooks. The army moves slow. They follow military textbook. They don’t upload the videos to Telegram to show their position. They don’t do the human wave attacks. They try to remove the mines before driving the vehicles. They are outsourcing a lot of the decisions to the military textbooks and formal processes, which is an advantage from the view of the tactics, although the habit to outsource decisions can be a problem for strategy and probably goes to the top with creating of indecisive political leaders.

    There are pluses and minuses of the developed countries. We talk a lot about the minuses. Israel is an example of a modern state without having a strategy. Most Western countries are like this now, without strategy except following their rules.

    The modern state follows its rules and becomes impersonal, in a way the rule-following behavior becomes the plan, instead of a method.

    But one of the pluses at least you won’t be doing human wave style of attacks in Bakhmut or uploading videos on Telegram asking for netizens to donate drones to your unit in exchange for writing their name on bombs.

    Hamas are amateurs and their fighting methods are only effective

    Hamas are probably very skilled and effective. But they have the negative situation – light weapons only, limited ammunition. People with light weapons that can be moved into the tunnels under the border with Egypt, fighting against people with guided missiles.

    Hamas advantage is the international pressure against Israel, Geneva conventions and the lack of Israel having any long-term strategy.

    In the Gaza war in 2014, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Gaza_War

    In the long term, you could say Hamas has won the 2014 Gaza war, as Hamas becomes stronger after the war, while Israel reduced international support. Israel had meaningless tactical victories, Hamas had meaningful strategic victories.

    Hamas won the war because it had some kind of strategy, while Israel outsources so many decisions to the rules and formal process, they seemed to avoid a strategy about Gaza.

    • LOL: LondonBob
    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Dmitry


    Some people cannot believe in the Russian social media space, where people live in low-trust countries where the culture is different and government data is not real. Russian/Ukrainian netizens also are comparing to war in Ukraine, where more soldiers die in a single artillery attack.
     
    It's more that antisemites live in a total dream world. Anyone who knows anything about Israel would know that you can't hide the loss of a single soldier.

    Israel is a more boring, organized Western state, which follows textbooks. The army moves slow.
     
    And allowing our captives to rot in southern Gaza.

    Israel is an example of a modern state without having a strategy. Most Western countries are like this now, without strategy except following their rules.
     
    The lack of strategy stems from a lack of purpose. The only purpose Israel has is "survival", like it's the Warsaw Ghetto or something.

    Hamas are probably very skilled and effective
     
    Hamas aren't Hezbollah. Unlike Hezbollah fighters, Hamas fighters aren't very well trained and they actually want to get killed. Hezbollah are true light infantry, Hamas are just some suicidal larpers.

    Hamas advantage is the international pressure against Israel, Geneva conventions and the lack of Israel having any long-term strategy.
     
    And all of those things became moot after Oct 7th. Hamas threw away all of their advantages for a short term propaganda win. In Hamas's defense, however, there is no way they could have known that the IDF would fuck up as badly as it did on the 7th, nor could Hamas have predicted that Israel would retaliate. I myself was 100% certain that Israel wouldn't retaliate (and I still believe that was Bibi's initial intended course of action) and I definitely wouldn't have anticipated the US and other Western states backing said retaliation.

    Hamas won the war because it had some kind of strategy, while Israel outsources so many decisions to the rules and formal process, they seemed to avoid a strategy about Gaza.
     
    Israel clearly intends to occupy Gaza permanently. They'll be mealy mouthed about it, but the IDF will never leave Gaza. The IDF has already started building permanent structures.

    What the Resistance Axis has to hope for is that Israel agrees to a ceasefire with Hamas. The problem is that Israel can't agree to a ceasefire until it gets the hostages back. And even if Hamas does give back the hostages, Bibi still can't agree to a ceasefire because if he does he'll be toppled and go to prison. Bibi's political weakness makes it impossible for him to surrender like he wants to.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @LondonBob
    @Dmitry

    Most of the people who I read who cover the war in the Ukraine are laughing at the IDF.

  194. @Barbarossa
    @A123

    My experience is that in the rank and file MAGA folks there is much more ingrained loyalty to the GW style militarism than a dubiousness for forever wars. They have been on the "support the troops" and "fight them there so we don't have to here" mindset for decades and it is generally very ingrained.

    And even with Trump, it's not like he is necessarily opposed to a war, he just wants one that can be chalked up as a win. I think that Trump would have no issue with an Iran invasion if it seemed promising.

    Indirect regime change in Iran is certainly preferable in many Washington minds than invasion at this point, especially since we don't exactly have any rock solid staging base in Iraq, LOL.

    However, if there was a direct conflict with Iran I would be completely shocked if almost all the MAGA folks around me didn't enthusiastically support it with much waving or Israeli flags.

    Replies: @A123

    My experience with rank & file MAGA folks — “Losing the Peace” in Iraq drove huge numbers away from GW style militarism. The massive failure in Ukraine has intensified open opposition to idiotic Forever Wars. Establishment GW supporters are now on the DNC side.

    I am not aware of a single MAGA supporter, even second hand, that would opt for putting boots on the ground in Iran. It is a ludicrous non-starter as a “war of choice”.

    If Iran intentionally started a war with the U.S. then the MAGA rank & file would “support the troops”. However, they would also demand a sensible plan towards victory. Something that is sorely lacking in Kiev aggression.
    ___

    Backing Judeo-Christian Israel against terrorist threats is something of a special case.

    -1- The fact that Islam intentionally targets children is so repugnant and inhumane that a response is necessary and justified. That being said, there is no huge rush of people hoisting blue & white flags.

    -2- SJW🏳️‍🌈Islam also generates support for Israel.

      

    Things like this create massive sympathy for indigenous Palestinian Jews who are plagued with their own version of Only Black/Muslim Lives Matter.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    I am not aware of a single MAGA supporter, even second hand, that would opt for putting boots on the ground in Iran. It is a ludicrous non-starter as a “war of choice”.

    MAGAs will defend whatever Trump decides. Very similar to Putin defenders.

    Look at how they defend his long list of pending felonies.

    I still have not met a single MAGA supporter that has actually read about the classified documents. They've only heard about it on Fox and assume it is all part of a GET TRUMP conspiracy. Trump says he is innocent so that is enough.

    He could declare war with Iran and they would cheer.

    If Iran intentionally started a war with the U.S. then the MAGA rank & file would “support the troops”. However, they would also demand a sensible plan towards victory.

    That would happen and actually shows the madness of the MAGA cult. Wanting a path to victory instead of asking why the war exists.

    It is looking like Trump won't escape a charge on his Fraud U case. The classified documents case is much worse. He is on tape trying to cover it up.

  195. @Greasy William
    @LondonBob


    Seems like the Israelis are releasing the names of dead officers and omitting the names of lower ranks.
     
    Would be completely impossible in Israeli society.

    Hamas is getting creamed but it doesn't necessarily mean anything. Hamas are amateurs and their fighting methods are only effective when Israel strives to avoid civilian casualties, which the IDF is blatantly not doing in this round.

    The real challenge for Israel is going to be the coming war against Lebanon/Syria/Iran, a much geographically broader front against a much more skilled and better equipped enemy.

    It's crazy that Lebanon is just sitting back and watching Gaza get annihilated. When Israel invades Lebanon, the Lebanese will have nobody to help them.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Dmitry, @A123

    The real challenge for Israel is going to be the coming war against Lebanon/Syria/Iran, a much geographically broader front against a much more skilled and better equipped enemy.

    It’s crazy that Lebanon is just sitting back and watching Gaza get annihilated. When Israel invades Lebanon, the Lebanese will have nobody to help them.

    Iranian Hamas accidentally changed Israeli strategy:
        • From / Policing — Which was marginally effective.
        • To / War — Where the IDF has massive advantages.
    Hamas needs an outside rescue to survive, and none is coming.

    Russia is keeping their client Syria out of the fray. This is no surprise as Russia has been allowing Israel to strike freely at Iranian targets for some time.

    Hezbollah/Iran have no options. The claim of tens of thousands of accurate missiles is apparently a bluff. They simply have no viable option for a ground offensive into Jewish Palestine on a highly predictable front. Plus, they would have to butcher the blue helmets of UNIFIL who are in the way.

    PEACE 😇

  196. @Dmitry
    @Greasy William

    Israel had low deaths of soldiers so far in this war. I think it was 32 or 33 in the ground attack for now.

    Some people cannot believe in the Russian social media space, where people live in low-trust countries where the culture is different and government data is not real. Russian/Ukrainian netizens also are comparing to war in Ukraine, where more soldiers die in a single artillery attack.

    Ukraine vs Russia disorganized, feudal-style of governments using infantry human wave attacks to Bakhmut or armored vehicles into mine fields in Zaporozhye or Avdeyevka. Governments of Russia and Ukraine don't know how many soldiers are fighting in the war. They also don't know how many people live in the country.

    Most of the information about the war in Ukraine, is from uploading videos to Telegram, like the military units are kind of feudal gangs, with no interest in the operational secrecy, while asking for netizens to send them equipment.

    Israel is a more boring, organized Western state, which follows textbooks. The army moves slow. They follow military textbook. They don't upload the videos to Telegram to show their position. They don't do the human wave attacks. They try to remove the mines before driving the vehicles. They are outsourcing a lot of the decisions to the military textbooks and formal processes, which is an advantage from the view of the tactics, although the habit to outsource decisions can be a problem for strategy and probably goes to the top with creating of indecisive political leaders.

    There are pluses and minuses of the developed countries. We talk a lot about the minuses. Israel is an example of a modern state without having a strategy. Most Western countries are like this now, without strategy except following their rules.

    The modern state follows its rules and becomes impersonal, in a way the rule-following behavior becomes the plan, instead of a method.

    But one of the pluses at least you won't be doing human wave style of attacks in Bakhmut or uploading videos on Telegram asking for netizens to donate drones to your unit in exchange for writing their name on bombs.


    Hamas are amateurs and their fighting methods are only effective
     
    Hamas are probably very skilled and effective. But they have the negative situation - light weapons only, limited ammunition. People with light weapons that can be moved into the tunnels under the border with Egypt, fighting against people with guided missiles.

    Hamas advantage is the international pressure against Israel, Geneva conventions and the lack of Israel having any long-term strategy.

    In the Gaza war in 2014, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Gaza_War

    In the long term, you could say Hamas has won the 2014 Gaza war, as Hamas becomes stronger after the war, while Israel reduced international support. Israel had meaningless tactical victories, Hamas had meaningful strategic victories.

    Hamas won the war because it had some kind of strategy, while Israel outsources so many decisions to the rules and formal process, they seemed to avoid a strategy about Gaza.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @LondonBob

    Some people cannot believe in the Russian social media space, where people live in low-trust countries where the culture is different and government data is not real. Russian/Ukrainian netizens also are comparing to war in Ukraine, where more soldiers die in a single artillery attack.

    It’s more that antisemites live in a total dream world. Anyone who knows anything about Israel would know that you can’t hide the loss of a single soldier.

    Israel is a more boring, organized Western state, which follows textbooks. The army moves slow.

    And allowing our captives to rot in southern Gaza.

    Israel is an example of a modern state without having a strategy. Most Western countries are like this now, without strategy except following their rules.

    The lack of strategy stems from a lack of purpose. The only purpose Israel has is “survival”, like it’s the Warsaw Ghetto or something.

    Hamas are probably very skilled and effective

    Hamas aren’t Hezbollah. Unlike Hezbollah fighters, Hamas fighters aren’t very well trained and they actually want to get killed. Hezbollah are true light infantry, Hamas are just some suicidal larpers.

    Hamas advantage is the international pressure against Israel, Geneva conventions and the lack of Israel having any long-term strategy.

    And all of those things became moot after Oct 7th. Hamas threw away all of their advantages for a short term propaganda win. In Hamas’s defense, however, there is no way they could have known that the IDF would fuck up as badly as it did on the 7th, nor could Hamas have predicted that Israel would retaliate. I myself was 100% certain that Israel wouldn’t retaliate (and I still believe that was Bibi’s initial intended course of action) and I definitely wouldn’t have anticipated the US and other Western states backing said retaliation.

    Hamas won the war because it had some kind of strategy, while Israel outsources so many decisions to the rules and formal process, they seemed to avoid a strategy about Gaza.

    Israel clearly intends to occupy Gaza permanently. They’ll be mealy mouthed about it, but the IDF will never leave Gaza. The IDF has already started building permanent structures.

    What the Resistance Axis has to hope for is that Israel agrees to a ceasefire with Hamas. The problem is that Israel can’t agree to a ceasefire until it gets the hostages back. And even if Hamas does give back the hostages, Bibi still can’t agree to a ceasefire because if he does he’ll be toppled and go to prison. Bibi’s political weakness makes it impossible for him to surrender like he wants to.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Greasy William


    antisemites live in a total dream world
     
    That is not related to antisemitism. Russia/Ukraine are a low trust society where you cannot believe government data as the numbers are always changed. For example, the last census is the most inaccurate since Stalin census in 1937, with millions of citizens missing.

    Of course, Israeli culture is like a village, even if the government was not accountable, they can't hide missing soldiers.


    And allowing our captives to rot in southern Gaza.

     

    Why "our"? You don't understand a letter of Hebrew and didn't visit Israel? It's the same discussion I had with Talha last week.

    The lack of strategy stems from a lack of purpose. The only purpose Israel has is “survival”, like it’s the Warsaw Ghetto or something.

     

    The Warsaw Ghetto was stage for deportation of Jews, it's not comparable to the lack of strategies of most of the modern developed/bourgeois democracies, which includes countries like Germany, United Kingdom or France. What is the strategy of France nowadays?

    Israel follows the bourgeois democracies, mainly interested in not stopping the economic growth, increasing the international relations etc.

    From the security view, they were investing in missile defense, instead of destroying the missile capacity of their enemies with an active policy. So, instead they avoid war, by investing in things like missile defense. Because the missile defense unlike war, doesn't require stopping economic growth, difficult decisions, the evacuation of cities, destruction of the tourism, loss of the immigrants.

    It's economic costs you see in Israel now, as many cities have been evacuated, hundreds of thousands of reservists removed from the labor, economy goes to recession.


    Hamas aren’t Hezbollah. Unlike Hezbollah fighters, Hamas fighters aren’t very well trained and they actually want to get killed. Hezbollah are true light infantry, Hamas are just some suicidal larpers.
     
    This is incorrect. Hezbollah lost over 60 soldiers in the last month trying to fire anti-tank weapons in Southern Lebanon, where they are killed by drones. Hamas soldiers are not so incompetent. Hamas is training their soldiers to avoid those kind of defeats and they don't walk under drones.

    Hamas soldiers also have a nationalist goal to combine with jihadism, which is the Palestinian national objective, while Hezbollah is more purely jihadism and messianism.

    Hamas only has light weapons, which they can carry under the border with Egypt. They have limited ammunition and they need to build their own weapons. Hamas has technological autochany, engineering skills, they build most of their own weapons and also engineer the tunnels.

    But Hezbollah has access to heavy weapons, they are not restricted in the ammunition or weapons. They don't need to carry them under the border with Egypt. They have the open external supply, they don't build their own weapons. They are also not enfolded on all their sides by Israel. They are part of the government of a country with millions of people.

    This is Hezbollah is today more like a conventional military with heavy weapons.


    Israel clearly intends to occupy Gaza permanently. They’ll be mealy mouthed about it, but the IDF will never leave Gaza.
     
    Strategic victory for Israel would be like Nagorno Karabakh, which the Arabs and international community would not allow, so it's probably unlikely. Also Israeli officials already said they won't do this.

    To occupy Gaza while reducing the separation of the populations, could be probably strategic defeat for Israel, possible victory for the Palestinian nationalism.

    The intermediate would be increasing the separation of the Gazans and the Israelis.

    -

    *The war government is only three people, Netanyahu, Gallant and Gantz. Gantz already said they won't remove Gaza or have a "view to the sea".

    Replies: @A123, @Greasy William

  197. @Mikel
    @Dmitry

    What you are describing is general guidelines for the distribution of sympathies towards both sides of the Israel/Arab conflict in Western Europe (not sure about EE). But one shouldn't confuse general sympathy or proclivity with actual support for any one side. My experience with many people of different Western European countries is that very few people feel the need to side with one or the other.

    As G_R said, it's a tedious issue that has been there forever in everyone's lifetimes and it's difficult to feel that anyone can do much about it or even say anything new about it. Israel is generally seen as much closer socially to us so it could potentially get much more support but, on the one hand, there is the very heavy-handed tactics that they always use and on the other hand, the religious thing that, to some extent or the other, leads Israelis to have further expansionists tendencies is also perceived as alienating.

    The only more or less novel thing that I could say is that here in the US the MSM drive to support Israel unconditionally is much stronger than in Western Europe (with the apparent exception of Germany) and there is also a very important religious component that is absent in Europe. Mormons seem to be as supportive of Israel as evangelicals, which is not surprising considering the central role that Israel plays in their sacred books. Utah is full of Jewish toponyms everywhere: Nephi, Lehi, Zion, Moab, Nebo, Kanab,... People around me who didn't express much interest in the Ukraine war have put up US-Israel flags on their front yards.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry

    US the MSM drive to support Israel unconditionally is much stronger than in Western Europe

    In many of the Western Europe countries, the media has anti-Israel views. If you look in Republic of Ireland or United Kingdom.

    In Republic of Ireland, the main view is pro-Palestine and this is also in the media. It’s similar for the Scandinavian societies.

    People around me who didn’t express much interest in the Ukraine war have put up US-Israel flag

    Around a year in the past, you were writing how you believed Mormons of Utah strongly supported Ukraine and some young Mormans had been dying as volunteer soldiers in Ukraine.

    There is an overlap of the “pro-Western bloc” views which are encouraged in the Mormon culture and Cold War “Manichaeists’” perception of the external policy, which supports Ukraine.

    If you remember early 2022, excluding the populist Tucker Carlson side, the Republican Party was mainly supporting Ukraine from Cold War style of policy.

    It seems like this year, the Republican positions are becoming less pro-Ukraine, as the politicians are seeing the popularity of the more isolationist positions and accepting Trump will be the presidential candidate.

    But the geopolitics is returning more to blocs and a new Cold War. So, the external policy of even Trump might still be to support Ukraine, even if it is relatively more unpopular with the Republican voters.

    By the way, there is an interesting documentary in 1987 about the war in Nicaragua. Reagan begins to support the Contras even without public support. But then Congress begins to talk about ending the funding for the Contras, then Reagan begins the PR policy for pro-Contras public views.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wUfevC9LHs.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Dmitry


    Around a year in the past, you were writing how you believed Mormons of Utah strongly supported Ukraine and some young Mormans had been dying as volunteer soldiers in Ukraine.
     
    I don't remember that. Are you not confusing Ukraine with Afghanistan?

    In any case, it doesn't have anything to do with my comment about the obvious connection between Israel (where the "Nephites" and "Lamanites" allegedly came from) and the Mormon religion. A year ago most Utahns (like most Americans) strongly supported Ukraine and today I see that some religious Mormons are putting up US-Israel flags on their front yards, which is more than they did about Ukraine. I can't say for sure but I know them and it's quite likely a local ward initiative. I wouldn't be surprised if the guidelines come from higher up too.

    Both things can perfectly be true at the same time, can they not? In the same way that Israel may be justified in responding militarily to the October 7th attacks but is not justified in ignoring the Geneva Convention and killing thousands of innocent people. It's not complicated really.

    PS- As a matter of fact, Israel could have perfectly chosen to respond to the attacks in a strictly legal way, by trying to bring the masterminds and perpetrators to justice, like so many civilized countries have done with their own terrorist groups. It's difficult, time-consuming and not too rewarding for those seeking instant retribution but it often works quite well in the long term.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  198. @Dmitry
    @Greasy William

    Israel had low deaths of soldiers so far in this war. I think it was 32 or 33 in the ground attack for now.

    Some people cannot believe in the Russian social media space, where people live in low-trust countries where the culture is different and government data is not real. Russian/Ukrainian netizens also are comparing to war in Ukraine, where more soldiers die in a single artillery attack.

    Ukraine vs Russia disorganized, feudal-style of governments using infantry human wave attacks to Bakhmut or armored vehicles into mine fields in Zaporozhye or Avdeyevka. Governments of Russia and Ukraine don't know how many soldiers are fighting in the war. They also don't know how many people live in the country.

    Most of the information about the war in Ukraine, is from uploading videos to Telegram, like the military units are kind of feudal gangs, with no interest in the operational secrecy, while asking for netizens to send them equipment.

    Israel is a more boring, organized Western state, which follows textbooks. The army moves slow. They follow military textbook. They don't upload the videos to Telegram to show their position. They don't do the human wave attacks. They try to remove the mines before driving the vehicles. They are outsourcing a lot of the decisions to the military textbooks and formal processes, which is an advantage from the view of the tactics, although the habit to outsource decisions can be a problem for strategy and probably goes to the top with creating of indecisive political leaders.

    There are pluses and minuses of the developed countries. We talk a lot about the minuses. Israel is an example of a modern state without having a strategy. Most Western countries are like this now, without strategy except following their rules.

    The modern state follows its rules and becomes impersonal, in a way the rule-following behavior becomes the plan, instead of a method.

    But one of the pluses at least you won't be doing human wave style of attacks in Bakhmut or uploading videos on Telegram asking for netizens to donate drones to your unit in exchange for writing their name on bombs.


    Hamas are amateurs and their fighting methods are only effective
     
    Hamas are probably very skilled and effective. But they have the negative situation - light weapons only, limited ammunition. People with light weapons that can be moved into the tunnels under the border with Egypt, fighting against people with guided missiles.

    Hamas advantage is the international pressure against Israel, Geneva conventions and the lack of Israel having any long-term strategy.

    In the Gaza war in 2014, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Gaza_War

    In the long term, you could say Hamas has won the 2014 Gaza war, as Hamas becomes stronger after the war, while Israel reduced international support. Israel had meaningless tactical victories, Hamas had meaningful strategic victories.

    Hamas won the war because it had some kind of strategy, while Israel outsources so many decisions to the rules and formal process, they seemed to avoid a strategy about Gaza.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @LondonBob

    Most of the people who I read who cover the war in the Ukraine are laughing at the IDF.

  199. @Greasy William
    @Dmitry


    Some people cannot believe in the Russian social media space, where people live in low-trust countries where the culture is different and government data is not real. Russian/Ukrainian netizens also are comparing to war in Ukraine, where more soldiers die in a single artillery attack.
     
    It's more that antisemites live in a total dream world. Anyone who knows anything about Israel would know that you can't hide the loss of a single soldier.

    Israel is a more boring, organized Western state, which follows textbooks. The army moves slow.
     
    And allowing our captives to rot in southern Gaza.

    Israel is an example of a modern state without having a strategy. Most Western countries are like this now, without strategy except following their rules.
     
    The lack of strategy stems from a lack of purpose. The only purpose Israel has is "survival", like it's the Warsaw Ghetto or something.

    Hamas are probably very skilled and effective
     
    Hamas aren't Hezbollah. Unlike Hezbollah fighters, Hamas fighters aren't very well trained and they actually want to get killed. Hezbollah are true light infantry, Hamas are just some suicidal larpers.

    Hamas advantage is the international pressure against Israel, Geneva conventions and the lack of Israel having any long-term strategy.
     
    And all of those things became moot after Oct 7th. Hamas threw away all of their advantages for a short term propaganda win. In Hamas's defense, however, there is no way they could have known that the IDF would fuck up as badly as it did on the 7th, nor could Hamas have predicted that Israel would retaliate. I myself was 100% certain that Israel wouldn't retaliate (and I still believe that was Bibi's initial intended course of action) and I definitely wouldn't have anticipated the US and other Western states backing said retaliation.

    Hamas won the war because it had some kind of strategy, while Israel outsources so many decisions to the rules and formal process, they seemed to avoid a strategy about Gaza.
     
    Israel clearly intends to occupy Gaza permanently. They'll be mealy mouthed about it, but the IDF will never leave Gaza. The IDF has already started building permanent structures.

    What the Resistance Axis has to hope for is that Israel agrees to a ceasefire with Hamas. The problem is that Israel can't agree to a ceasefire until it gets the hostages back. And even if Hamas does give back the hostages, Bibi still can't agree to a ceasefire because if he does he'll be toppled and go to prison. Bibi's political weakness makes it impossible for him to surrender like he wants to.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    antisemites live in a total dream world

    That is not related to antisemitism. Russia/Ukraine are a low trust society where you cannot believe government data as the numbers are always changed. For example, the last census is the most inaccurate since Stalin census in 1937, with millions of citizens missing.

    Of course, Israeli culture is like a village, even if the government was not accountable, they can’t hide missing soldiers.

    And allowing our captives to rot in southern Gaza.

    Why “our”? You don’t understand a letter of Hebrew and didn’t visit Israel? It’s the same discussion I had with Talha last week.

    The lack of strategy stems from a lack of purpose. The only purpose Israel has is “survival”, like it’s the Warsaw Ghetto or something.

    The Warsaw Ghetto was stage for deportation of Jews, it’s not comparable to the lack of strategies of most of the modern developed/bourgeois democracies, which includes countries like Germany, United Kingdom or France. What is the strategy of France nowadays?

    Israel follows the bourgeois democracies, mainly interested in not stopping the economic growth, increasing the international relations etc.

    From the security view, they were investing in missile defense, instead of destroying the missile capacity of their enemies with an active policy. So, instead they avoid war, by investing in things like missile defense. Because the missile defense unlike war, doesn’t require stopping economic growth, difficult decisions, the evacuation of cities, destruction of the tourism, loss of the immigrants.

    It’s economic costs you see in Israel now, as many cities have been evacuated, hundreds of thousands of reservists removed from the labor, economy goes to recession.

    Hamas aren’t Hezbollah. Unlike Hezbollah fighters, Hamas fighters aren’t very well trained and they actually want to get killed. Hezbollah are true light infantry, Hamas are just some suicidal larpers.

    This is incorrect. Hezbollah lost over 60 soldiers in the last month trying to fire anti-tank weapons in Southern Lebanon, where they are killed by drones. Hamas soldiers are not so incompetent. Hamas is training their soldiers to avoid those kind of defeats and they don’t walk under drones.

    Hamas soldiers also have a nationalist goal to combine with jihadism, which is the Palestinian national objective, while Hezbollah is more purely jihadism and messianism.

    Hamas only has light weapons, which they can carry under the border with Egypt. They have limited ammunition and they need to build their own weapons. Hamas has technological autochany, engineering skills, they build most of their own weapons and also engineer the tunnels.

    But Hezbollah has access to heavy weapons, they are not restricted in the ammunition or weapons. They don’t need to carry them under the border with Egypt. They have the open external supply, they don’t build their own weapons. They are also not enfolded on all their sides by Israel. They are part of the government of a country with millions of people.

    This is Hezbollah is today more like a conventional military with heavy weapons.

    Israel clearly intends to occupy Gaza permanently. They’ll be mealy mouthed about it, but the IDF will never leave Gaza.

    Strategic victory for Israel would be like Nagorno Karabakh, which the Arabs and international community would not allow, so it’s probably unlikely. Also Israeli officials already said they won’t do this.

    To occupy Gaza while reducing the separation of the populations, could be probably strategic defeat for Israel, possible victory for the Palestinian nationalism.

    The intermediate would be increasing the separation of the Gazans and the Israelis.

    *The war government is only three people, Netanyahu, Gallant and Gantz. Gantz already said they won’t remove Gaza or have a “view to the sea”.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Dmitry

    What will the post conflict situation look like? This is by far the most likely future state:

    Israel will maintain security control. This will prevent Hamas from reforming. It will have ongoing costs, however this is not an unaffordable burden.

    Gaza will resume local control for civil administration — Water, electricity, sewage, etc. Presumably this will include elections that exclude Iranian Hamas and Palestinian Iranian Jihad [PIJ] from running. However, there may be an interim period under Fatah until elections can be organized.

    Easily abused projects, such as heavy construction will go through a shared body that represents both Israel’s legitimate security concerns and Gaza’s needs. Eliminating diversion of resources to violence should produce better yield on these efforts.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Greasy William
    @Dmitry


    That is not related to antisemitism.
     
    People like LondonBob who get their news from The Duran are motivated by antisemitism. Such people believe the lies that they are fed about how Hamas is currently standing up the IDF.

    Why “our”? You don’t understand a letter of Hebrew and didn’t visit Israel?
     
    Because I'm a Jew

    Gantz already said they won’t remove Gaza or have a “view to the sea”.
     
    Gantz also said that Israel will responsible for Gaza security after the war is over and will permanently do raids in and out of the populated areas within Gaza, i.e. returning the the status quo ante 2005, except with much looser rules of engagement. I'm not expecting Israel to return to the pre Oslo situation, that would be impossible and the Israeli public would never stand for it, but rather I expect Gaza to be turned into 2 ghettos that will be ruled by gangs on the US payroll, similar to how the Palestinians currently rule themselves in Judea and Samaria. And of course the people of Gaza will be forbidden from working in Israel, will no longer get electricity and water from Israel and will have their territory further encroached on.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  200. @Dmitry
    @Greasy William


    antisemites live in a total dream world
     
    That is not related to antisemitism. Russia/Ukraine are a low trust society where you cannot believe government data as the numbers are always changed. For example, the last census is the most inaccurate since Stalin census in 1937, with millions of citizens missing.

    Of course, Israeli culture is like a village, even if the government was not accountable, they can't hide missing soldiers.


    And allowing our captives to rot in southern Gaza.

     

    Why "our"? You don't understand a letter of Hebrew and didn't visit Israel? It's the same discussion I had with Talha last week.

    The lack of strategy stems from a lack of purpose. The only purpose Israel has is “survival”, like it’s the Warsaw Ghetto or something.

     

    The Warsaw Ghetto was stage for deportation of Jews, it's not comparable to the lack of strategies of most of the modern developed/bourgeois democracies, which includes countries like Germany, United Kingdom or France. What is the strategy of France nowadays?

    Israel follows the bourgeois democracies, mainly interested in not stopping the economic growth, increasing the international relations etc.

    From the security view, they were investing in missile defense, instead of destroying the missile capacity of their enemies with an active policy. So, instead they avoid war, by investing in things like missile defense. Because the missile defense unlike war, doesn't require stopping economic growth, difficult decisions, the evacuation of cities, destruction of the tourism, loss of the immigrants.

    It's economic costs you see in Israel now, as many cities have been evacuated, hundreds of thousands of reservists removed from the labor, economy goes to recession.


    Hamas aren’t Hezbollah. Unlike Hezbollah fighters, Hamas fighters aren’t very well trained and they actually want to get killed. Hezbollah are true light infantry, Hamas are just some suicidal larpers.
     
    This is incorrect. Hezbollah lost over 60 soldiers in the last month trying to fire anti-tank weapons in Southern Lebanon, where they are killed by drones. Hamas soldiers are not so incompetent. Hamas is training their soldiers to avoid those kind of defeats and they don't walk under drones.

    Hamas soldiers also have a nationalist goal to combine with jihadism, which is the Palestinian national objective, while Hezbollah is more purely jihadism and messianism.

    Hamas only has light weapons, which they can carry under the border with Egypt. They have limited ammunition and they need to build their own weapons. Hamas has technological autochany, engineering skills, they build most of their own weapons and also engineer the tunnels.

    But Hezbollah has access to heavy weapons, they are not restricted in the ammunition or weapons. They don't need to carry them under the border with Egypt. They have the open external supply, they don't build their own weapons. They are also not enfolded on all their sides by Israel. They are part of the government of a country with millions of people.

    This is Hezbollah is today more like a conventional military with heavy weapons.


    Israel clearly intends to occupy Gaza permanently. They’ll be mealy mouthed about it, but the IDF will never leave Gaza.
     
    Strategic victory for Israel would be like Nagorno Karabakh, which the Arabs and international community would not allow, so it's probably unlikely. Also Israeli officials already said they won't do this.

    To occupy Gaza while reducing the separation of the populations, could be probably strategic defeat for Israel, possible victory for the Palestinian nationalism.

    The intermediate would be increasing the separation of the Gazans and the Israelis.

    -

    *The war government is only three people, Netanyahu, Gallant and Gantz. Gantz already said they won't remove Gaza or have a "view to the sea".

    Replies: @A123, @Greasy William

    What will the post conflict situation look like? This is by far the most likely future state:

    Israel will maintain security control. This will prevent Hamas from reforming. It will have ongoing costs, however this is not an unaffordable burden.

    Gaza will resume local control for civil administration — Water, electricity, sewage, etc. Presumably this will include elections that exclude Iranian Hamas and Palestinian Iranian Jihad [PIJ] from running. However, there may be an interim period under Fatah until elections can be organized.

    Easily abused projects, such as heavy construction will go through a shared body that represents both Israel’s legitimate security concerns and Gaza’s needs. Eliminating diversion of resources to violence should produce better yield on these efforts.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    Israel will maintain security control. This will prevent Hamas from reforming. It will have ongoing costs, however this is not an unaffordable burden.

    Wasn't the same argument made over the Golan Heights?

    Gotta maintain it for security reasons.........oh and we are gonna add some burbs....and farms.

    I'm all for eliminating Hamas but I really don't like this situation and Israel is again going too far in its reprisals.

    It just smells of refugee crisis and President MacGoo seems unable to say the N word to Israel.

    Replies: @A123

  201. @Dmitry
    @Greasy William


    antisemites live in a total dream world
     
    That is not related to antisemitism. Russia/Ukraine are a low trust society where you cannot believe government data as the numbers are always changed. For example, the last census is the most inaccurate since Stalin census in 1937, with millions of citizens missing.

    Of course, Israeli culture is like a village, even if the government was not accountable, they can't hide missing soldiers.


    And allowing our captives to rot in southern Gaza.

     

    Why "our"? You don't understand a letter of Hebrew and didn't visit Israel? It's the same discussion I had with Talha last week.

    The lack of strategy stems from a lack of purpose. The only purpose Israel has is “survival”, like it’s the Warsaw Ghetto or something.

     

    The Warsaw Ghetto was stage for deportation of Jews, it's not comparable to the lack of strategies of most of the modern developed/bourgeois democracies, which includes countries like Germany, United Kingdom or France. What is the strategy of France nowadays?

    Israel follows the bourgeois democracies, mainly interested in not stopping the economic growth, increasing the international relations etc.

    From the security view, they were investing in missile defense, instead of destroying the missile capacity of their enemies with an active policy. So, instead they avoid war, by investing in things like missile defense. Because the missile defense unlike war, doesn't require stopping economic growth, difficult decisions, the evacuation of cities, destruction of the tourism, loss of the immigrants.

    It's economic costs you see in Israel now, as many cities have been evacuated, hundreds of thousands of reservists removed from the labor, economy goes to recession.


    Hamas aren’t Hezbollah. Unlike Hezbollah fighters, Hamas fighters aren’t very well trained and they actually want to get killed. Hezbollah are true light infantry, Hamas are just some suicidal larpers.
     
    This is incorrect. Hezbollah lost over 60 soldiers in the last month trying to fire anti-tank weapons in Southern Lebanon, where they are killed by drones. Hamas soldiers are not so incompetent. Hamas is training their soldiers to avoid those kind of defeats and they don't walk under drones.

    Hamas soldiers also have a nationalist goal to combine with jihadism, which is the Palestinian national objective, while Hezbollah is more purely jihadism and messianism.

    Hamas only has light weapons, which they can carry under the border with Egypt. They have limited ammunition and they need to build their own weapons. Hamas has technological autochany, engineering skills, they build most of their own weapons and also engineer the tunnels.

    But Hezbollah has access to heavy weapons, they are not restricted in the ammunition or weapons. They don't need to carry them under the border with Egypt. They have the open external supply, they don't build their own weapons. They are also not enfolded on all their sides by Israel. They are part of the government of a country with millions of people.

    This is Hezbollah is today more like a conventional military with heavy weapons.


    Israel clearly intends to occupy Gaza permanently. They’ll be mealy mouthed about it, but the IDF will never leave Gaza.
     
    Strategic victory for Israel would be like Nagorno Karabakh, which the Arabs and international community would not allow, so it's probably unlikely. Also Israeli officials already said they won't do this.

    To occupy Gaza while reducing the separation of the populations, could be probably strategic defeat for Israel, possible victory for the Palestinian nationalism.

    The intermediate would be increasing the separation of the Gazans and the Israelis.

    -

    *The war government is only three people, Netanyahu, Gallant and Gantz. Gantz already said they won't remove Gaza or have a "view to the sea".

    Replies: @A123, @Greasy William

    That is not related to antisemitism.

    People like LondonBob who get their news from The Duran are motivated by antisemitism. Such people believe the lies that they are fed about how Hamas is currently standing up the IDF.

    Why “our”? You don’t understand a letter of Hebrew and didn’t visit Israel?

    Because I’m a Jew

    Gantz already said they won’t remove Gaza or have a “view to the sea”.

    Gantz also said that Israel will responsible for Gaza security after the war is over and will permanently do raids in and out of the populated areas within Gaza, i.e. returning the the status quo ante 2005, except with much looser rules of engagement. I’m not expecting Israel to return to the pre Oslo situation, that would be impossible and the Israeli public would never stand for it, but rather I expect Gaza to be turned into 2 ghettos that will be ruled by gangs on the US payroll, similar to how the Palestinians currently rule themselves in Judea and Samaria. And of course the people of Gaza will be forbidden from working in Israel, will no longer get electricity and water from Israel and will have their territory further encroached on.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Greasy William

    Duran Duran? I'm assuming this is not Duran Duran who are "motivated by antisemitism". They are from England, but the singer lived in Israel for a year after school in the 1970s when he was a teenager.

    Their first song is about Tel Aviv. They were a kind of progressive rock music in the beginning.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO34tTZetfU

    The lyrics of the song "Chaffeur" was based on an experience of his youth when women Israeli soldiers drove him around in a tractor on a hot day in the desert. I guess from the lyrics, he was there with a girl he was dating.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUX9pf_wJmg



    Why “our”? You don’t understand a letter of Hebrew and didn’t visit Israel?

     

    Because I’m a Jew
     
    I'm sure even Talha knows a letter of Arabic, as he writes about "our Al Quds". There is some problem of people who try to self-promote themselves talking about opposing football teams they support, without having a relation to these or ever kicking a ball.

    Gantz also said that Israel will responsible for Gaza security after the war is over and will permanently do raids in and out of the populated areas within Gaza, i.e. returning the the status quo ante 2005, except with much looser rules

     

    That would probably not be a strategic victory. Before 2005, Israel received constant security issues in relation to Gaza, as well the costs in terms of international relations of the occupation.

    US payroll, similar to how the Palestinians currently rule themselves in Judea and Samaria.

     

    The situation inherited in the West Bank would be difficult to describe as a strategic victory.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  202. @sudden death
    @Beckow


    If the unthinkable happens Helsinki is an early target – up to this year it would be bypassed as neutral. That must feel really good.
     
    Reminder that neutral non-NATO Austria was the nuclear target and would have been bombed by Kremlin in case of war with NATO just as any other NATO country, so neutrality means jackshit in nuclear age. As in any other era too, when it was the time for serious SHTF;)

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Beckow

    Reminder that neutral non-NATO Austria was the nuclear target and would have been bombed by Kremlin in case of war with NATO just as any other NATO country, so neutrality means jackshit in nuclear age. As in any other era too, when it was the time for serious SHTF;)

    Neutrality does mean something in the nuclear age.

    It means you are vulnerable to invasion. See: Ukraine.

    Austria at least has natural defenses and doesn’t border Russia.

    Finland is vulnerable to invasion. Russia just has to take the southern tip. The rest of the country can be cut off and frozen into submission. Helsinki is on the water and is vulnerable to Naval attacks. A Russian convoy could pass as if it is headed to St. Petersburg and then open fire.

    I’m surprised that Finland didn’t join NATO sooner. The scenario of a Russian dictator snapping up non-NATO countries was suggested decades ago. Finland was an obvious target.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    The scenario of a Russian dictator snapping up non-NATO countries was suggested decades ago.
     
    In a James Bond movie? In the real world they haven't mustered the courage in 3 decades to annex those little enclaves in Georgia full of co-ethnics. Imagine Finland lol.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  203. @A123
    @Barbarossa

    My experience with rank & file MAGA folks -- "Losing the Peace" in Iraq drove huge numbers away from GW style militarism. The massive failure in Ukraine has intensified open opposition to idiotic Forever Wars. Establishment GW supporters are now on the DNC side.

    I am not aware of a single MAGA supporter, even second hand, that would opt for putting boots on the ground in Iran. It is a ludicrous non-starter as a "war of choice".

    If Iran intentionally started a war with the U.S. then the MAGA rank & file would "support the troops". However, they would also demand a sensible plan towards victory. Something that is sorely lacking in Kiev aggression.
    ___

    Backing Judeo-Christian Israel against terrorist threats is something of a special case.

    -1- The fact that Islam intentionally targets children is so repugnant and inhumane that a response is necessary and justified. That being said, there is no huge rush of people hoisting blue & white flags.

    -2- SJW🏳️‍🌈Islam also generates support for Israel.

     
    https://media.notthebee.com/articles/64cd6673-889d-443b-b57a-892848d37317.jpg
     

    Things like this create massive sympathy for indigenous Palestinian Jews who are plagued with their own version of Only Black/Muslim Lives Matter.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I am not aware of a single MAGA supporter, even second hand, that would opt for putting boots on the ground in Iran. It is a ludicrous non-starter as a “war of choice”.

    MAGAs will defend whatever Trump decides. Very similar to Putin defenders.

    Look at how they defend his long list of pending felonies.

    I still have not met a single MAGA supporter that has actually read about the classified documents. They’ve only heard about it on Fox and assume it is all part of a GET TRUMP conspiracy. Trump says he is innocent so that is enough.

    He could declare war with Iran and they would cheer.

    If Iran intentionally started a war with the U.S. then the MAGA rank & file would “support the troops”. However, they would also demand a sensible plan towards victory.

    That would happen and actually shows the madness of the MAGA cult. Wanting a path to victory instead of asking why the war exists.

    It is looking like Trump won’t escape a charge on his Fraud U case. The classified documents case is much worse. He is on tape trying to cover it up.

  204. @A123
    @Dmitry

    What will the post conflict situation look like? This is by far the most likely future state:

    Israel will maintain security control. This will prevent Hamas from reforming. It will have ongoing costs, however this is not an unaffordable burden.

    Gaza will resume local control for civil administration — Water, electricity, sewage, etc. Presumably this will include elections that exclude Iranian Hamas and Palestinian Iranian Jihad [PIJ] from running. However, there may be an interim period under Fatah until elections can be organized.

    Easily abused projects, such as heavy construction will go through a shared body that represents both Israel’s legitimate security concerns and Gaza’s needs. Eliminating diversion of resources to violence should produce better yield on these efforts.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Israel will maintain security control. This will prevent Hamas from reforming. It will have ongoing costs, however this is not an unaffordable burden.

    Wasn’t the same argument made over the Golan Heights?

    Gotta maintain it for security reasons………oh and we are gonna add some burbs….and farms.

    I’m all for eliminating Hamas but I really don’t like this situation and Israel is again going too far in its reprisals.

    It just smells of refugee crisis and President MacGoo seems unable to say the N word to Israel.

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson



    Israel will maintain security control. This will prevent Hamas from reforming. It will have ongoing costs, however this is not an unaffordable burden.

     

    Wasn’t the same argument made over the Golan Heights?
     
    *NO*

    • Islam had a choice to negotiate.
    • Islam refused to negotiate.
    • Islam lost the land.

    Being stupid, violent, pathetic, and intransigent has a price. Syria and Ukraine are now permanently smaller. And, they have only themselves to blame.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

  205. @John Johnson
    @A123

    Israel will maintain security control. This will prevent Hamas from reforming. It will have ongoing costs, however this is not an unaffordable burden.

    Wasn't the same argument made over the Golan Heights?

    Gotta maintain it for security reasons.........oh and we are gonna add some burbs....and farms.

    I'm all for eliminating Hamas but I really don't like this situation and Israel is again going too far in its reprisals.

    It just smells of refugee crisis and President MacGoo seems unable to say the N word to Israel.

    Replies: @A123

    Israel will maintain security control. This will prevent Hamas from reforming. It will have ongoing costs, however this is not an unaffordable burden.

    Wasn’t the same argument made over the Golan Heights?

    *NO*

    • Islam had a choice to negotiate.
    • Islam refused to negotiate.
    • Islam lost the land.

    Being stupid, violent, pathetic, and intransigent has a price. Syria and Ukraine are now permanently smaller. And, they have only themselves to blame.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: silviosilver
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    NO

    Islam had a choice to negotiate.

    Islam is a religion and they are divided on the subject of Israel.

    There isn't a single representative of Islam that can negotiate.

    Your statement doesn't make any sense.

    Being stupid, violent, pathetic, and intransigent has a price. Syria and Ukraine are now permanently smaller. And, they have only themselves to blame.

    Ukraine is now smaller because they were being stupid and violent?

    You've suggested they surrender which would make them non-existent.

    Are you still gunning for Trump or did you finally give that up?

    Replies: @A123

  206. @Dmitry
    @Mikel


    US the MSM drive to support Israel unconditionally is much stronger than in Western Europe
     
    In many of the Western Europe countries, the media has anti-Israel views. If you look in Republic of Ireland or United Kingdom.

    In Republic of Ireland, the main view is pro-Palestine and this is also in the media. It's similar for the Scandinavian societies.


    People around me who didn’t express much interest in the Ukraine war have put up US-Israel flag
     
    Around a year in the past, you were writing how you believed Mormons of Utah strongly supported Ukraine and some young Mormans had been dying as volunteer soldiers in Ukraine.

    There is an overlap of the "pro-Western bloc" views which are encouraged in the Mormon culture and Cold War "Manichaeists'" perception of the external policy, which supports Ukraine.

    If you remember early 2022, excluding the populist Tucker Carlson side, the Republican Party was mainly supporting Ukraine from Cold War style of policy.

    It seems like this year, the Republican positions are becoming less pro-Ukraine, as the politicians are seeing the popularity of the more isolationist positions and accepting Trump will be the presidential candidate.

    But the geopolitics is returning more to blocs and a new Cold War. So, the external policy of even Trump might still be to support Ukraine, even if it is relatively more unpopular with the Republican voters.

    -

    By the way, there is an interesting documentary in 1987 about the war in Nicaragua. Reagan begins to support the Contras even without public support. But then Congress begins to talk about ending the funding for the Contras, then Reagan begins the PR policy for pro-Contras public views.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wUfevC9LHs.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Around a year in the past, you were writing how you believed Mormons of Utah strongly supported Ukraine and some young Mormans had been dying as volunteer soldiers in Ukraine.

    I don’t remember that. Are you not confusing Ukraine with Afghanistan?

    In any case, it doesn’t have anything to do with my comment about the obvious connection between Israel (where the “Nephites” and “Lamanites” allegedly came from) and the Mormon religion. A year ago most Utahns (like most Americans) strongly supported Ukraine and today I see that some religious Mormons are putting up US-Israel flags on their front yards, which is more than they did about Ukraine. I can’t say for sure but I know them and it’s quite likely a local ward initiative. I wouldn’t be surprised if the guidelines come from higher up too.

    Both things can perfectly be true at the same time, can they not? In the same way that Israel may be justified in responding militarily to the October 7th attacks but is not justified in ignoring the Geneva Convention and killing thousands of innocent people. It’s not complicated really.

    PS- As a matter of fact, Israel could have perfectly chosen to respond to the attacks in a strictly legal way, by trying to bring the masterminds and perpetrators to justice, like so many civilized countries have done with their own terrorist groups. It’s difficult, time-consuming and not too rewarding for those seeking instant retribution but it often works quite well in the long term.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mikel


    I don’t remember that. Are you not confusing Ukraine
     
    I guess I misremember, you were talking about the Mormon soldier from Idaho, not a Utah Mormon.
    https://www.deseret.com/2022/10/14/23404548/latter-day-saint-fighting-ukraine-dies-dane-partridge-russia-war-rexburg-idaho

    Mormons are putting up US-Israel flags on their front yards, which is more than they did about Ukraine. I can’t say for sure but I know them and it’s quite likely a local ward initiative. I wouldn’t be surprised if the guidelines come from higher up too.
     
    It seems some Mormons are Zionists.
    https://jewishjournal.com/judaism/132436/why-mormons-cant-be-anti-zionists/

    Also had Mormons by far the highest positive views towards the American Jews from any of the religions (although not the other direction), which they probably associate to Israel or view as a proxy.

    https://i.imgur.com/cCY2Gdo.jpg

    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2023/03/15/americans-feel-more-positive-than-negative-about-jews-mainline-protestants-catholics/


    -

    But also Mormons' culture is patriotic in the Reagan sense of "pro-Western", which would support Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  207. @ShortOnTime
    @AP

    I'll reply from the previous thread on key points and cutting out blockquotes, partly to save space. Let's try keep it chronological.

    Your reference to a Suzdal prince sacking Kiev is a bit of a, well so what? Turns out the princes of Chernigov and Smolensk took part too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Kiev_(1169)

    The Rus realm fragmented into civil war for most of the 12th century. This was typical for most Medieval European realms like England, France, Holy Roman Empire, Italy and etc. Making this the basis for some kind of ancient Russian-Ukrainian schism is nonsensical. It's perhaps similar to some kind of neo-Burgundian nationalism against France (at least Burgundy was a tribe and then Kingdom clearly distinct from France at different points in time, migrations at fall of Western Roman Empire and again at 15th century peak of Burgundian Kingdom just before its fall) or Catalan separatism against Spain. Perhaps even Canada vs USA since such hypothetical analogies (especially geopolitical alignment and foreign great power military alliances) about USA invading Canada devolving into trench war with Canadians then harping on about "ancient Canadian nationhood" sounding completely ridiculous and citing things like the War of 1812 (Canadian genesis only began in 19th century and Canadian distinction in WW1 participation along with French Quebec are only remarkable things about Canada historically, honestly). The 4chan analogy of a botched American invasion of Mexico to the current Ukraine War is apples and oranges comparison though, since Russia is not USA and Ukraine isn't Mexico. Analogies can only be taken so far.

    Otherwise, the Rus fragmentation (connected decline of Piast Poland too) explains why Eastern Europe was easy prey for Mongols. Also the whole notion of Russians somehow being more "Asian Muscovite savages" than Ukrainians is nonsense since Ukraine was ruled by Mongols and Tatars for at least several decades and Russia for maybe about 50 or 100 years longer (depends how one counts it).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Kiev_(1240)

    As for Pagan Lithuania, it's actually very impressive that it punched above its own weight in its era (14th century especially). Repelling multiple invasions and raids from the Teutonic Knights, also exploiting Mongol and Tatar decline to take over Rus lands. Pagan Lithuania was the last Pagan kingdom in Europe until the 15th century (Paganism presumably persisted till 16th century).

    The union with Poland was a catastrophe in hindsight. Guaranteed lots of strife. Likely would've been better if Lithuania remained Pagan, but friction with Orthodox and especially Catholics was too much. Even among Lithuanians, there was a significant minority of Orthodox nobles and there were some civil wars contesting the union and Jogaila's acquiescence to it (some of it was dynastic too admittedly, ie one prince wanted to rule instead of the incumbent without necessarily changing the union). Especially since Poland became the senior partner in the long term. Just one of many below:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_Civil_War_(1389%E2%80%931392)

    Almost everything about the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (PLC) is terrible. Catholic oppression of Orthodox Christians and Casimir III inviting Jews to jointly take part in exploiting subject populations, especially economically. Jesuit invitation too. The only good thing about the PLC was its confrontations with the Ottomans but that's because the Ottomans chose to try expanding north from Bessarabia/Moldova and Ottoman conquest of Vienna would've been unacceptable for PLC (southern Ottoman border expanded).

    The anti-Jewish "pogroms" or really, riots, though pose a major historical riddle. If everyone in Ukraine was always Ukrainian with Russians never being a significant part of Ukraine, then that means Ukraine has an ugly track record of "anti-Semitism" as I saw Norman Finklestein discuss in a video. If the "pogroms" in Ukraine are Russia's fault, the problem with that is that it means Ukraine is basically legitimately Russian, no matter how "anti-Semitic" one thinks Russians are. Perhaps on the Unz Review it's easier to say that the "pogroms" have always been exaggerated, especially the ones in the Russian Empire in the few decades before WW1. Really they were just a bunch of street clashes between Jews vs Russians/Ukrainians since Jews had a disproportionate part in fomenting revolutionary unrest against the Tsardom and non-Jews in the Russian Empire had many legitimate grievances against Jews. The total of Jewish "victims" was only anywhere from a few hundred to a few thousand overall. Pogroms weren't directed by the Russian state as historical evidence in hindsight makes clear. The ones under Bogdan Khmelnitsky since 1648 were significantly larger in scope though (possibly a few 10s of 1000s) since it was a rebellion that morphed into an all out war and the pent up grievances against Jewish moneychangers and theft of Orthodox Church land was much larger and more repressed (Khmelnitsky rebelled over a vicious personal dispute with a Polish noble and the Polish Kings ineffective mediation). There was some chaos in WW1 and the Russian Civil War too. Anyway, the Jewish aspect of this is perhaps the most interesting of all.

    When Russia retook most of Ukraine and Belarus (unlike Russia, Poland-Lithuania weren't Rus successor states), Polish nobles were tolerated until 19th century Polish rebellions. The Romanovs had notable success in undoing Uniatism in Galicia, Western Ukraine and Belarus. I even took the time to read some of Adam Zamoyski's works (who's devotedly pro-PLC), and even he acknowledged in his book Poland: A History, that most of the rebellions against Russia in Lithuania were actually just Polish nobles (until 1860's iirc, sort of), with Lithuanian peasants having no interest in taking part. Same for Belarus and Ukraine parts with Polish nobles.

    In the 19th century it's true proto-Ukrainians took some more hold. Really any record of Ukrainians as anything more than regionally distinct "Ruthenians"/''Little Rus'' from Russians before 18th century is weak. Although even Putin in his text on the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians acknowledges things like the Elms Ukaz of 1876.

    As for Galicia and WW1, as your own personal example illustrates, the mental and psychological complexes originating from ancestral legacies of religious conversion and one may dare say, apostasy, can be very powerful.

    Regarding Ukraine and the Russian Civil War, reality is Poles and Ukrainians clashed over Galicia with Poland strong-arming Ukrainians to cede Galicia which Ukrainian Rada acceded to since they thought that concession and prospective Polish help against Bolsheviks was worth it. Pretty obvious Poland picked a fight with Bolsheviks and even Whites when it intervened in Ukraine then. Calling Petlyura a Polish lackey may be harsh, but it's essentially true since before him there were Ukrainian servants of Germany during Germany's occupation of Ukraine in 1918. Quite sad to think that Ukraine was not only occupied by Germany which lost WW1, but then Poland which only became independent in November 1918 domineered over Ukraine, for the Bolsheviks to then take over Ukraine.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Ukrainian_War

    As for Serbs, your resentment over Austria-Hungary losing WW1 is still palpable (and part of your comment history). Your enthusiasm for Austria's attack of Serbia is also bizarre. Austria-Hungary attacking Serbia in July 1914 is one of the single worst decisions ever made in European history.

    The big "problem" is that Russian nationalist/"imperial" history takes are mostly true, although some Ukrainian/Ruthenian regional particularism is well rooted. We're just scratching the surface of this history and it can be discussed endlessly. But that's perhaps more than enough about history.

    Otherwise, since 2014 it looks like Serbia is actually in better shape than Ukraine as unbelievable as that may have seemed. To a degree, Serbia and Ukraine are inverse tragedies since Western nations can't suffer Serbia's ties to Russia while Russians can't suffer Ukraine's ties to the West.

    With refugees and returnees, it obviously goes without stating it that the longer the current Ukraine War lasts, the worse the reconstruction and return of emigrants will be. Ukraine obviously isn't exactly the same as Iraq, Libya, Syria or Serbia/Yugoslavia (Ukraine War seems to have less "ethnic cleansing" in particular, so far at least). Still, nothing suggests Ukraine will have some sort of good recovery as almost 10 million fled in total is terrible, especially a few million Russians to Russia, especially about return of displaced persons. Even economic recovery will have the scandal over seized Russian assets overshadowing it. Not to mention downturns in world economy. Overall, it's a really sad picture for Ukraine devotees.

    Replies: @sudden death, @AP, @Mr. XYZ

    Your reference to a Suzdal prince sacking Kiev is a bit of a, well so what? Turns out the princes of Chernigov and Smolensk took part too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Kiev_(1169)

    It was a coalition of princes led by prince of Suzdal.

    Fighting these proto-Russians were princes of Kiev, Galicia and Volhynia.

    The Suzdalian prince Andrei won, sacked Kiev, brutalized its inhabitants, and placed a puppet on the throne. The puppet and the Suzdalians were disliked by the people of Kiev, who overthrew him.

    Andrei attempted to restore his rule over Kiev but was defeated by a coalition of mostly proto-Ukrainians (Kievans, Volhynians, Galicians).

    The Rus realm fragmented into civil war for most of the 12th century. This was typical for most Medieval European realms like England, France, Holy Roman Empire, Italy and etc. Making this the basis for some kind of ancient Russian-Ukrainian schism is nonsensical

    It would be, if anyone made this the basis of anything.

    You like to cherry-pick facts and to make strawmen.

    History moved on. The Ukrainian lands became part of the Rzeczpospolita, a loyal and integral part. The Rus princes of this land continued to fight the Suzdalians (Muscovites) in the 15th and 16th and early 17th centuries. The Volhynian Chronicle described these as wars of Rus versus Muscovites. This Chronicle also classified Muscovites alongside Moldovans as people who are Orthodox but not Rus. In the Battle of Orsha, the combined forces of Poland and Lithuania were led by a Rus prince from Volhynia, Konstanty Ostrogski as they crushed the Muscovite army.

    The war between Rzeczposolita and Muscovy of 1605-1617 (where Moscow was seized) was initiated not by Poles but was a project by Rus princes, the Orthodox Rus Michał Wiśniowiecki and the Sapieha brothers, Rus converts to Catholicism (funny how the Russian and Ukrainian nationalist fairtytales speak of Polish “occupation of Rus lands, when the richest magnates in Poland were not Poles but Rus princes and when these Rus princes, not Poles, directed Eastern policies and war).

    During this war, in 1618 Zaporizhians under Sahaidachny devastated the lands around Moscow.

    Sahaidachny would later fight alongside the Poles and stop the Turks at the massive Battle of Khotyn.

    It’s perhaps similar to some kind of neo-Burgundian nationalism against France (at least Burgundy was a tribe and then Kingdom clearly distinct from France at different points in time, migrations at fall of Western Roman Empire and again at 15th century peak of Burgundian Kingdom

    Ukraine was separate from Suzdalia from around 1150 (when Rus fragmented) until 1650 and was then autonomous with its own laws and government until 1760. After that the western 10% was part of Austria while the other 90% was part of Russia, until 1917 when autonomy and brief independence were followed by a separate SSR and full independence in 1991.

    So the period of full integration lasted only 160 years, never included 10% of the country, and ended over 100 years ago.

    Burgundy – lol.

    The Dutch and the Deutsch might be more analogous. Or perhaps the Swedes and the Danes (though the Swedish and Danish languages are closer to each other than Ukrainian is to Russian).

    Also the whole notion of Russians somehow being more “Asian Muscovite savages” than Ukrainians is nonsense since Ukraine was ruled by Mongols and Tatars for at least several decades and Russia for maybe about 50 or 100 years longer (depends how one counts it).

    It was not only about time spent under Mongol overlordship. Russia spent twice as long as Ukraine under the rule of the Mongols, but Ukraine was was further, more peripheral, and less influenced by the Mongols during the occupation. The Russian elites intermarried with the Mongols – the ones in Ukraine did not. Russian historian Vernadsky notes that 15%of Russian noble families had Tatar/Mongol origins. Theseincliude Veliaminov-Zernov, Godunov, Arseniev, Bakhmetev, Bulgakov (descendants of Bulgak) and Chaadaev (descendants of Genghis Khan’s son Chagatai Khan).

    Moreover, the process by which the Moscow princes came to power was one of selection for obedience to the Mongol overlords. The rebellious ones (such as the Tver princes) were crushed, the loyal ones closest to the Mongols granted more power. And so this is the ethnogenesis of the Russian people and culture – the Rus of Suzdalia under centuries of Mongol rule.

    And the ethnogenesis of the Ukrainian people were the Rus of Kiev, Volhynia and Galicia as part of Poland and/or Lithuania for centuries.

    Almost everything about the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (PLC) is terrible.

    According to supporters of Muscovy/Russia, a state that massacred the Novgorodians out of existence, spread serfdom under German masters, and ultimately became the base for Bolshevism that murdered millions.

    Catholic oppression of Orthodox Christians

    Is the reverse better?

    You as usual play games with time. In the 18th century, as a backlash to the treason of Khmelnytsky and the loss of much of the Orthodox population, the rump PLC was repressive towards the Orthodox.

    But Orthodoxy flourished during the 17th century PLC. Kiev became an intellectual center of the Orthodox world.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_University_of_Kyiv-Mohyla_Academy#Foundation_of_the_Kyiv-Mohyla_Academy

    When Russia retook most of Ukraine and Belarus (unlike Russia, Poland-Lithuania weren’t Rus successor states)

    Poland-Lithuania were the successors of Rus states in what is now Ukraine and Belarus, Russia of Suzdal.

    The last ruler of Kiev before the Mongols was the King of Galicia (who accepted a crown from the Pope) and his descendant married into the Polish royal family. When the family died out the throne passed to Poland. The local Rus princes of Ukraine were magnates of the PLC. One of them even got the Polish throne.

    As for Galicia and WW1, as your own personal example illustrates, the mental and psychological complexes originating from ancestral legacies of religious conversion

    Don’t confuse Muscovite anti-Westernism with Rus. The Great Schism wasn’t popular in Kiev, Daniel of Galicia took a crown from the Pope, the attempted Union of Florence (to unite Catholic and Orthodox in 1431) was popular in Kiev, and the Union of Brest was the work of local bishops.

    The original Rus tradition maintained by people in Ukraine was more open to the West than the later Suzdalian and Muscovite stance.

    Regarding Ukraine and the Russian Civil War, reality is Poles and Ukrainians clashed over Galicia

    Yes, both had claims over Galicia and fought over it. But in central Ukraine the Poles and Ukrainians were friendly, because Poland didn’t claim those lands.

    Calling Petlyura a Polish lackey may be harsh, but it’s essentially true

    He got a better deal from Poland than anyone got from either Reds or Whites.

    Do you think that any weaker ally is a “lackey?” Were all the Western Euro leaders “lackeys” of the USA after World War II?

    As for Serbs, your resentment over Austria-Hungary losing WW1 is still palpable (and part of your comment history). Your enthusiasm for Austria’s attack of Serbia is also bizarre.

    I wouldn’t call it enthusiasm. Elements of the Serbian government committed a vile act of regicide and terrorism, Austria was fully justified in invading Serbia as the USA was for invading Afghanistan after 9-11.

    Poor Nicholas II, a decent man, allowed his country to go to war for the sake of this regicide. As a result he himself was also murdered, and Russia which went to war for the sake of the evil regicidal Serb regime ended up losing 10s of millions of people in the following decades, as a consequence of that fateful and terrible decision to support Serbia. The Austrian, Hapsburgs, Galicians got off much more lightly in the 20th century than did the Serbs and Russians (and Central/Eastern Ukrainians).

    So Serbia’s and Russia’s actions were far worse than Austria’s.

    Otherwise, since 2014 it looks like Serbia is actually in better shape than Ukraine as unbelievable as that may have seemed.

    Being Russia’s neighbor is a nasty place to be.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack, Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    I wouldn’t call it enthusiasm. Elements of the Serbian government committed a vile act of regicide and terrorism, Austria was fully justified in invading Serbia as the USA was for invading Afghanistan after 9-11.
     
    I have already responded to you here:

    AP compares the Franz Ferdinand assassination to 9/11, but WWI would be comparable to a hypothetical subsequent Afghan War that results in *millions* of US soldiers getting killed in Afghanistan, such as if a hypothetical ultra-technologically-advanced China decides to militarily intervene in Afghanistan in this scenario in order to help the Taliban and is willing to fight the US to the very last man. The crucial question would then be whether *millions* (as opposed to “mere” *thousands*) of US deaths to avenge 9/11 would actually be worth it. And of course 9/11 was much worse than the Sarajevo murders, since the former involved 3,000 civilians deaths while the latter only involved two deaths, albeit two deaths of a very high status (so, maybe comparable to 10 or 20 normal civilian deaths, which is still over 100 times less bad than 9/11 was).
     
    Even if one grants that Austria-Hungary's grievance against Serbia was perfectly legitimate, the subsequent sacrifices that Austria-Hungary endured as a result of going to war to punish Serbia, *even had Austria-Hungary and the Central Powers actually managed to win World War I*, was way too high to actually make this war worth it.

    Sparking a World War that resulted in the deaths of ten million men, many of whom died involuntarily (conscription), in order to avenge the death of a royal and a noble seems excessive, no? You previously rightly criticized Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022, arguing that Russia sparked a war that killed hundreds of thousands of people in order to avenge a dozen people or less getting killed in the Donbass every year. Well, one could also make this exact same grievance towards Austria-Hungary.

    If Austria-Hungary wanted to overthrow the Serbian regime, 1904-1905 was the perfect time to do it, while Russia was still busy fighting Japan and thus could still not realistically militarily intervene to protect Serbia, unlike in 1914, when Russia was stronger.

    Replies: @AP

  208. @ShortOnTime
    @AP

    I'll reply from the previous thread on key points and cutting out blockquotes, partly to save space. Let's try keep it chronological.

    Your reference to a Suzdal prince sacking Kiev is a bit of a, well so what? Turns out the princes of Chernigov and Smolensk took part too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Kiev_(1169)

    The Rus realm fragmented into civil war for most of the 12th century. This was typical for most Medieval European realms like England, France, Holy Roman Empire, Italy and etc. Making this the basis for some kind of ancient Russian-Ukrainian schism is nonsensical. It's perhaps similar to some kind of neo-Burgundian nationalism against France (at least Burgundy was a tribe and then Kingdom clearly distinct from France at different points in time, migrations at fall of Western Roman Empire and again at 15th century peak of Burgundian Kingdom just before its fall) or Catalan separatism against Spain. Perhaps even Canada vs USA since such hypothetical analogies (especially geopolitical alignment and foreign great power military alliances) about USA invading Canada devolving into trench war with Canadians then harping on about "ancient Canadian nationhood" sounding completely ridiculous and citing things like the War of 1812 (Canadian genesis only began in 19th century and Canadian distinction in WW1 participation along with French Quebec are only remarkable things about Canada historically, honestly). The 4chan analogy of a botched American invasion of Mexico to the current Ukraine War is apples and oranges comparison though, since Russia is not USA and Ukraine isn't Mexico. Analogies can only be taken so far.

    Otherwise, the Rus fragmentation (connected decline of Piast Poland too) explains why Eastern Europe was easy prey for Mongols. Also the whole notion of Russians somehow being more "Asian Muscovite savages" than Ukrainians is nonsense since Ukraine was ruled by Mongols and Tatars for at least several decades and Russia for maybe about 50 or 100 years longer (depends how one counts it).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Kiev_(1240)

    As for Pagan Lithuania, it's actually very impressive that it punched above its own weight in its era (14th century especially). Repelling multiple invasions and raids from the Teutonic Knights, also exploiting Mongol and Tatar decline to take over Rus lands. Pagan Lithuania was the last Pagan kingdom in Europe until the 15th century (Paganism presumably persisted till 16th century).

    The union with Poland was a catastrophe in hindsight. Guaranteed lots of strife. Likely would've been better if Lithuania remained Pagan, but friction with Orthodox and especially Catholics was too much. Even among Lithuanians, there was a significant minority of Orthodox nobles and there were some civil wars contesting the union and Jogaila's acquiescence to it (some of it was dynastic too admittedly, ie one prince wanted to rule instead of the incumbent without necessarily changing the union). Especially since Poland became the senior partner in the long term. Just one of many below:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_Civil_War_(1389%E2%80%931392)

    Almost everything about the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (PLC) is terrible. Catholic oppression of Orthodox Christians and Casimir III inviting Jews to jointly take part in exploiting subject populations, especially economically. Jesuit invitation too. The only good thing about the PLC was its confrontations with the Ottomans but that's because the Ottomans chose to try expanding north from Bessarabia/Moldova and Ottoman conquest of Vienna would've been unacceptable for PLC (southern Ottoman border expanded).

    The anti-Jewish "pogroms" or really, riots, though pose a major historical riddle. If everyone in Ukraine was always Ukrainian with Russians never being a significant part of Ukraine, then that means Ukraine has an ugly track record of "anti-Semitism" as I saw Norman Finklestein discuss in a video. If the "pogroms" in Ukraine are Russia's fault, the problem with that is that it means Ukraine is basically legitimately Russian, no matter how "anti-Semitic" one thinks Russians are. Perhaps on the Unz Review it's easier to say that the "pogroms" have always been exaggerated, especially the ones in the Russian Empire in the few decades before WW1. Really they were just a bunch of street clashes between Jews vs Russians/Ukrainians since Jews had a disproportionate part in fomenting revolutionary unrest against the Tsardom and non-Jews in the Russian Empire had many legitimate grievances against Jews. The total of Jewish "victims" was only anywhere from a few hundred to a few thousand overall. Pogroms weren't directed by the Russian state as historical evidence in hindsight makes clear. The ones under Bogdan Khmelnitsky since 1648 were significantly larger in scope though (possibly a few 10s of 1000s) since it was a rebellion that morphed into an all out war and the pent up grievances against Jewish moneychangers and theft of Orthodox Church land was much larger and more repressed (Khmelnitsky rebelled over a vicious personal dispute with a Polish noble and the Polish Kings ineffective mediation). There was some chaos in WW1 and the Russian Civil War too. Anyway, the Jewish aspect of this is perhaps the most interesting of all.

    When Russia retook most of Ukraine and Belarus (unlike Russia, Poland-Lithuania weren't Rus successor states), Polish nobles were tolerated until 19th century Polish rebellions. The Romanovs had notable success in undoing Uniatism in Galicia, Western Ukraine and Belarus. I even took the time to read some of Adam Zamoyski's works (who's devotedly pro-PLC), and even he acknowledged in his book Poland: A History, that most of the rebellions against Russia in Lithuania were actually just Polish nobles (until 1860's iirc, sort of), with Lithuanian peasants having no interest in taking part. Same for Belarus and Ukraine parts with Polish nobles.

    In the 19th century it's true proto-Ukrainians took some more hold. Really any record of Ukrainians as anything more than regionally distinct "Ruthenians"/''Little Rus'' from Russians before 18th century is weak. Although even Putin in his text on the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians acknowledges things like the Elms Ukaz of 1876.

    As for Galicia and WW1, as your own personal example illustrates, the mental and psychological complexes originating from ancestral legacies of religious conversion and one may dare say, apostasy, can be very powerful.

    Regarding Ukraine and the Russian Civil War, reality is Poles and Ukrainians clashed over Galicia with Poland strong-arming Ukrainians to cede Galicia which Ukrainian Rada acceded to since they thought that concession and prospective Polish help against Bolsheviks was worth it. Pretty obvious Poland picked a fight with Bolsheviks and even Whites when it intervened in Ukraine then. Calling Petlyura a Polish lackey may be harsh, but it's essentially true since before him there were Ukrainian servants of Germany during Germany's occupation of Ukraine in 1918. Quite sad to think that Ukraine was not only occupied by Germany which lost WW1, but then Poland which only became independent in November 1918 domineered over Ukraine, for the Bolsheviks to then take over Ukraine.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Ukrainian_War

    As for Serbs, your resentment over Austria-Hungary losing WW1 is still palpable (and part of your comment history). Your enthusiasm for Austria's attack of Serbia is also bizarre. Austria-Hungary attacking Serbia in July 1914 is one of the single worst decisions ever made in European history.

    The big "problem" is that Russian nationalist/"imperial" history takes are mostly true, although some Ukrainian/Ruthenian regional particularism is well rooted. We're just scratching the surface of this history and it can be discussed endlessly. But that's perhaps more than enough about history.

    Otherwise, since 2014 it looks like Serbia is actually in better shape than Ukraine as unbelievable as that may have seemed. To a degree, Serbia and Ukraine are inverse tragedies since Western nations can't suffer Serbia's ties to Russia while Russians can't suffer Ukraine's ties to the West.

    With refugees and returnees, it obviously goes without stating it that the longer the current Ukraine War lasts, the worse the reconstruction and return of emigrants will be. Ukraine obviously isn't exactly the same as Iraq, Libya, Syria or Serbia/Yugoslavia (Ukraine War seems to have less "ethnic cleansing" in particular, so far at least). Still, nothing suggests Ukraine will have some sort of good recovery as almost 10 million fled in total is terrible, especially a few million Russians to Russia, especially about return of displaced persons. Even economic recovery will have the scandal over seized Russian assets overshadowing it. Not to mention downturns in world economy. Overall, it's a really sad picture for Ukraine devotees.

    Replies: @sudden death, @AP, @Mr. XYZ

    Your enthusiasm for Austria’s attack of Serbia is also bizarre. Austria-Hungary attacking Serbia in July 1914 is one of the single worst decisions ever made in European history.

    AP compares the Franz Ferdinand assassination to 9/11, but WWI would be comparable to a hypothetical subsequent Afghan War that results in *millions* of US soldiers getting killed in Afghanistan, such as if a hypothetical ultra-technologically-advanced China decides to militarily intervene in Afghanistan in this scenario in order to help the Taliban and is willing to fight the US to the very last man. The crucial question would then be whether *millions* (as opposed to “mere” *thousands*) of US deaths to avenge 9/11 would actually be worth it. And of course 9/11 was much worse than the Sarajevo murders, since the former involved 3,000 civilians deaths while the latter only involved two deaths, albeit two deaths of a very high status (so, maybe comparable to 10 or 20 normal civilian deaths, which is still over 100 times less bad than 9/11 was).

  209. @AP
    @ShortOnTime


    Your reference to a Suzdal prince sacking Kiev is a bit of a, well so what? Turns out the princes of Chernigov and Smolensk took part too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Kiev_(1169)
     
    It was a coalition of princes led by prince of Suzdal.

    Fighting these proto-Russians were princes of Kiev, Galicia and Volhynia.

    The Suzdalian prince Andrei won, sacked Kiev, brutalized its inhabitants, and placed a puppet on the throne. The puppet and the Suzdalians were disliked by the people of Kiev, who overthrew him.

    Andrei attempted to restore his rule over Kiev but was defeated by a coalition of mostly proto-Ukrainians (Kievans, Volhynians, Galicians).

    The Rus realm fragmented into civil war for most of the 12th century. This was typical for most Medieval European realms like England, France, Holy Roman Empire, Italy and etc. Making this the basis for some kind of ancient Russian-Ukrainian schism is nonsensical
     
    It would be, if anyone made this the basis of anything.

    You like to cherry-pick facts and to make strawmen.

    History moved on. The Ukrainian lands became part of the Rzeczpospolita, a loyal and integral part. The Rus princes of this land continued to fight the Suzdalians (Muscovites) in the 15th and 16th and early 17th centuries. The Volhynian Chronicle described these as wars of Rus versus Muscovites. This Chronicle also classified Muscovites alongside Moldovans as people who are Orthodox but not Rus. In the Battle of Orsha, the combined forces of Poland and Lithuania were led by a Rus prince from Volhynia, Konstanty Ostrogski as they crushed the Muscovite army.

    The war between Rzeczposolita and Muscovy of 1605-1617 (where Moscow was seized) was initiated not by Poles but was a project by Rus princes, the Orthodox Rus Michał Wiśniowiecki and the Sapieha brothers, Rus converts to Catholicism (funny how the Russian and Ukrainian nationalist fairtytales speak of Polish "occupation of Rus lands, when the richest magnates in Poland were not Poles but Rus princes and when these Rus princes, not Poles, directed Eastern policies and war).

    During this war, in 1618 Zaporizhians under Sahaidachny devastated the lands around Moscow.

    Sahaidachny would later fight alongside the Poles and stop the Turks at the massive Battle of Khotyn.

    It’s perhaps similar to some kind of neo-Burgundian nationalism against France (at least Burgundy was a tribe and then Kingdom clearly distinct from France at different points in time, migrations at fall of Western Roman Empire and again at 15th century peak of Burgundian Kingdom
     
    Ukraine was separate from Suzdalia from around 1150 (when Rus fragmented) until 1650 and was then autonomous with its own laws and government until 1760. After that the western 10% was part of Austria while the other 90% was part of Russia, until 1917 when autonomy and brief independence were followed by a separate SSR and full independence in 1991.

    So the period of full integration lasted only 160 years, never included 10% of the country, and ended over 100 years ago.

    Burgundy - lol.

    The Dutch and the Deutsch might be more analogous. Or perhaps the Swedes and the Danes (though the Swedish and Danish languages are closer to each other than Ukrainian is to Russian).

    Also the whole notion of Russians somehow being more “Asian Muscovite savages” than Ukrainians is nonsense since Ukraine was ruled by Mongols and Tatars for at least several decades and Russia for maybe about 50 or 100 years longer (depends how one counts it).
     
    It was not only about time spent under Mongol overlordship. Russia spent twice as long as Ukraine under the rule of the Mongols, but Ukraine was was further, more peripheral, and less influenced by the Mongols during the occupation. The Russian elites intermarried with the Mongols - the ones in Ukraine did not. Russian historian Vernadsky notes that 15%of Russian noble families had Tatar/Mongol origins. Theseincliude Veliaminov-Zernov, Godunov, Arseniev, Bakhmetev, Bulgakov (descendants of Bulgak) and Chaadaev (descendants of Genghis Khan's son Chagatai Khan).

    Moreover, the process by which the Moscow princes came to power was one of selection for obedience to the Mongol overlords. The rebellious ones (such as the Tver princes) were crushed, the loyal ones closest to the Mongols granted more power. And so this is the ethnogenesis of the Russian people and culture - the Rus of Suzdalia under centuries of Mongol rule.

    And the ethnogenesis of the Ukrainian people were the Rus of Kiev, Volhynia and Galicia as part of Poland and/or Lithuania for centuries.

    Almost everything about the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (PLC) is terrible.
     
    According to supporters of Muscovy/Russia, a state that massacred the Novgorodians out of existence, spread serfdom under German masters, and ultimately became the base for Bolshevism that murdered millions.

    Catholic oppression of Orthodox Christians
     
    Is the reverse better?

    You as usual play games with time. In the 18th century, as a backlash to the treason of Khmelnytsky and the loss of much of the Orthodox population, the rump PLC was repressive towards the Orthodox.

    But Orthodoxy flourished during the 17th century PLC. Kiev became an intellectual center of the Orthodox world.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_University_of_Kyiv-Mohyla_Academy#Foundation_of_the_Kyiv-Mohyla_Academy

    When Russia retook most of Ukraine and Belarus (unlike Russia, Poland-Lithuania weren’t Rus successor states)
     
    Poland-Lithuania were the successors of Rus states in what is now Ukraine and Belarus, Russia of Suzdal.

    The last ruler of Kiev before the Mongols was the King of Galicia (who accepted a crown from the Pope) and his descendant married into the Polish royal family. When the family died out the throne passed to Poland. The local Rus princes of Ukraine were magnates of the PLC. One of them even got the Polish throne.

    As for Galicia and WW1, as your own personal example illustrates, the mental and psychological complexes originating from ancestral legacies of religious conversion
     
    Don't confuse Muscovite anti-Westernism with Rus. The Great Schism wasn't popular in Kiev, Daniel of Galicia took a crown from the Pope, the attempted Union of Florence (to unite Catholic and Orthodox in 1431) was popular in Kiev, and the Union of Brest was the work of local bishops.

    The original Rus tradition maintained by people in Ukraine was more open to the West than the later Suzdalian and Muscovite stance.

    Regarding Ukraine and the Russian Civil War, reality is Poles and Ukrainians clashed over Galicia
     
    Yes, both had claims over Galicia and fought over it. But in central Ukraine the Poles and Ukrainians were friendly, because Poland didn't claim those lands.

    Calling Petlyura a Polish lackey may be harsh, but it’s essentially true
     
    He got a better deal from Poland than anyone got from either Reds or Whites.

    Do you think that any weaker ally is a "lackey?" Were all the Western Euro leaders "lackeys" of the USA after World War II?

    As for Serbs, your resentment over Austria-Hungary losing WW1 is still palpable (and part of your comment history). Your enthusiasm for Austria’s attack of Serbia is also bizarre.
     
    I wouldn't call it enthusiasm. Elements of the Serbian government committed a vile act of regicide and terrorism, Austria was fully justified in invading Serbia as the USA was for invading Afghanistan after 9-11.

    Poor Nicholas II, a decent man, allowed his country to go to war for the sake of this regicide. As a result he himself was also murdered, and Russia which went to war for the sake of the evil regicidal Serb regime ended up losing 10s of millions of people in the following decades, as a consequence of that fateful and terrible decision to support Serbia. The Austrian, Hapsburgs, Galicians got off much more lightly in the 20th century than did the Serbs and Russians (and Central/Eastern Ukrainians).

    So Serbia's and Russia's actions were far worse than Austria's.

    Otherwise, since 2014 it looks like Serbia is actually in better shape than Ukraine as unbelievable as that may have seemed.
     
    Being Russia's neighbor is a nasty place to be.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    I wouldn’t call it enthusiasm. Elements of the Serbian government committed a vile act of regicide and terrorism, Austria was fully justified in invading Serbia as the USA was for invading Afghanistan after 9-11.

    I have already responded to you here:

    AP compares the Franz Ferdinand assassination to 9/11, but WWI would be comparable to a hypothetical subsequent Afghan War that results in *millions* of US soldiers getting killed in Afghanistan, such as if a hypothetical ultra-technologically-advanced China decides to militarily intervene in Afghanistan in this scenario in order to help the Taliban and is willing to fight the US to the very last man. The crucial question would then be whether *millions* (as opposed to “mere” *thousands*) of US deaths to avenge 9/11 would actually be worth it. And of course 9/11 was much worse than the Sarajevo murders, since the former involved 3,000 civilians deaths while the latter only involved two deaths, albeit two deaths of a very high status (so, maybe comparable to 10 or 20 normal civilian deaths, which is still over 100 times less bad than 9/11 was).

    Even if one grants that Austria-Hungary’s grievance against Serbia was perfectly legitimate, the subsequent sacrifices that Austria-Hungary endured as a result of going to war to punish Serbia, *even had Austria-Hungary and the Central Powers actually managed to win World War I*, was way too high to actually make this war worth it.

    Sparking a World War that resulted in the deaths of ten million men, many of whom died involuntarily (conscription), in order to avenge the death of a royal and a noble seems excessive, no? You previously rightly criticized Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2022, arguing that Russia sparked a war that killed hundreds of thousands of people in order to avenge a dozen people or less getting killed in the Donbass every year. Well, one could also make this exact same grievance towards Austria-Hungary.

    If Austria-Hungary wanted to overthrow the Serbian regime, 1904-1905 was the perfect time to do it, while Russia was still busy fighting Japan and thus could still not realistically militarily intervene to protect Serbia, unlike in 1914, when Russia was stronger.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    Sure, that war wasn't worth it for the Austrian side (or for anyone) even though Austria was justified in invading Serbia. Who was at fault? Russia, for defending the Serbian regime and thereby turning what should have been a limited war into a world war.

    Defending Serbia was not only immoral and evil, but far more costly for Russia than was Austria punishing Serbia for Austria.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @silviosilver

  210. @John Johnson
    @sudden death

    Reminder that neutral non-NATO Austria was the nuclear target and would have been bombed by Kremlin in case of war with NATO just as any other NATO country, so neutrality means jackshit in nuclear age. As in any other era too, when it was the time for serious SHTF;)

    Neutrality does mean something in the nuclear age.

    It means you are vulnerable to invasion. See: Ukraine.

    Austria at least has natural defenses and doesn't border Russia.

    Finland is vulnerable to invasion. Russia just has to take the southern tip. The rest of the country can be cut off and frozen into submission. Helsinki is on the water and is vulnerable to Naval attacks. A Russian convoy could pass as if it is headed to St. Petersburg and then open fire.

    I'm surprised that Finland didn't join NATO sooner. The scenario of a Russian dictator snapping up non-NATO countries was suggested decades ago. Finland was an obvious target.

    Replies: @Mikel

    The scenario of a Russian dictator snapping up non-NATO countries was suggested decades ago.

    In a James Bond movie? In the real world they haven’t mustered the courage in 3 decades to annex those little enclaves in Georgia full of co-ethnics. Imagine Finland lol.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    In a James Bond movie? In the real world they haven’t mustered the courage in 3 decades to annex those little enclaves in Georgia full of co-ethnics. Imagine Finland lol.

    They've invaded Transnistria, Georgia and Ukraine.

    They fought two bloody wars using unscrupulous tactics to keep in Chechnya.

    They fought Syrian rebels and used nerve agents to prop up Doctor Atheist who is hated by his own people.

    Putin is on record stating that it's a shame that the USSR dissolved.

    He is also on record stating that the great Tsars are conquerors and "Historic Russia" contains Ukraine.

    Leaked plans show that he expected Kiev to collapse within two weeks and then they would continue on to Moldova.

    Over a dozen people close to him have fallen out of windows or drowned since the invasion.

    You can look at all of this and believe it would be outside of his moral character to invade Finland?

    Replies: @Mikel

  211. @LondonBob
    Relentless Russian advances around Avdeevka, despite the Ukrainian reserves rushed there. Things are beginning to come apart.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP

    Relentless Russian advances around Avdeevka, despite the Ukrainian reserves rushed there. Things are beginning to come apart.

    Reminder that you wrote in November 2022:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-202/#comment-5673059

    So the rest of the Ukrainian electrical grid has now been taken out, surely a big Russian offensive coming shortly. The nightmare scenario has now unfolded for Europe, and the West. Plenty of chances to strike a deal, now the Russians aren’t interested, wave of refugees, economic collapse accelerating, blackouts and a decisive NATO defeat incoming

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-201/#comment-5653346

    Watching Douglas Macgregor being interviewed on Redacted he makes the additional point that Russia is marshalling its forces for the big offensive, these are elite forces which will lead any assault, so require rest and refitting beforehand.

    January of this year:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-207/#comment-5779071

    Ugledar on the menu now. Unless a large reserve is being kept and trained than maybe the locals will be wrong and it will be all over before the end of the summer.

    [Vuhledar was a major Russian defeat]

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @AP

    I still think Avdeevka will take awhile, but it looks like I might be wrong, Russians will do what they will do.

    Replies: @AP

  212. Could Vivek be Trump’s choice for VP?

    Personally, I remain skeptical. However, he can be great on camera demolishing anti-MAGA shills like Haley.

    PEACE 😇

  213. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    I wouldn’t call it enthusiasm. Elements of the Serbian government committed a vile act of regicide and terrorism, Austria was fully justified in invading Serbia as the USA was for invading Afghanistan after 9-11.
     
    I have already responded to you here:

    AP compares the Franz Ferdinand assassination to 9/11, but WWI would be comparable to a hypothetical subsequent Afghan War that results in *millions* of US soldiers getting killed in Afghanistan, such as if a hypothetical ultra-technologically-advanced China decides to militarily intervene in Afghanistan in this scenario in order to help the Taliban and is willing to fight the US to the very last man. The crucial question would then be whether *millions* (as opposed to “mere” *thousands*) of US deaths to avenge 9/11 would actually be worth it. And of course 9/11 was much worse than the Sarajevo murders, since the former involved 3,000 civilians deaths while the latter only involved two deaths, albeit two deaths of a very high status (so, maybe comparable to 10 or 20 normal civilian deaths, which is still over 100 times less bad than 9/11 was).
     
    Even if one grants that Austria-Hungary's grievance against Serbia was perfectly legitimate, the subsequent sacrifices that Austria-Hungary endured as a result of going to war to punish Serbia, *even had Austria-Hungary and the Central Powers actually managed to win World War I*, was way too high to actually make this war worth it.

    Sparking a World War that resulted in the deaths of ten million men, many of whom died involuntarily (conscription), in order to avenge the death of a royal and a noble seems excessive, no? You previously rightly criticized Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022, arguing that Russia sparked a war that killed hundreds of thousands of people in order to avenge a dozen people or less getting killed in the Donbass every year. Well, one could also make this exact same grievance towards Austria-Hungary.

    If Austria-Hungary wanted to overthrow the Serbian regime, 1904-1905 was the perfect time to do it, while Russia was still busy fighting Japan and thus could still not realistically militarily intervene to protect Serbia, unlike in 1914, when Russia was stronger.

    Replies: @AP

    Sure, that war wasn’t worth it for the Austrian side (or for anyone) even though Austria was justified in invading Serbia. Who was at fault? Russia, for defending the Serbian regime and thereby turning what should have been a limited war into a world war.

    Defending Serbia was not only immoral and evil, but far more costly for Russia than was Austria punishing Serbia for Austria.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Sure, that war wasn’t worth it for the Austrian side (or for anyone) even though Austria was justified in invading Serbia. Who was at fault? Russia, for defending the Serbian regime and thereby turning what should have been a limited war into a world war.

     

    By that logic, Russian nationalists will say that Ukraine should have simply surrendered (and that the West should have encouraged Ukraine to do so immediately) in order to save a lot of lives in 2022 and beyond.

    Heck, by that logic, one can argue (at least from the perspective of Polish national interests) that Poland should have made a deal with Hitler instead of opposing him and that the Anglo-French were evil (at least from a Polish national interests perspective) for encouraging the Poles to resist Hitler through their own Polish guarantees and alliances instead of encouraging the Poles to make a deal with Hitler. (Of course, one could also say that the Anglo-French were evil and/or stupid for refusing to ally with the Soviet Union in 1939. Everything that they feared would happen--a Communization of Eastern Europe--ultimately happened anyway but at a much higher cost for Europe than would have been the case had an Anglo-Franco-Soviet alliance been created back in 1939.)

    As a side note, though, I do *completely agree* with you that Russia should not have taken Austria-Hungary's bait. Ultimately, letting all Serbs who are displeased with Austro-Hungarian rule (and/or Austro-Hungarian puppet rule) move to Russia (or, alternatively, elsewhere--would the West accept them, for instance?) would have been far better than turning a limited local war into a World War. Russia could have even tried sponsoring a Serbian insurgency against Austria-Hungary afterwards, though I doubt that it would have succeeded and it would have almost certainly created even further Austro-Hungarian hostility towards both the Serbs and Russia.

    That said, though, I'm unsure that the 20th century was that much worse for Russia relative to Austria based on just how much of their full potential they were deprived of. Austria in its current borders currently has nine million people but would have had 40-50 million within its 1914 borders had it avoided both World Wars, Nazism, and Communism and kept its 1914 borders up to the present-day*. Russia currently has 150 million people but would have had 500-600 million people within its 1914 borders minus perhaps Poland, which could still perhaps eventually break away from Russia if Russia still ever eventually experiences a successful revolution without the World Wars. So, overall, it's a close call. In terms of suffering, though, it's obvious that Greater Russia suffered much more during the 20th century and beyond than Greater Austria did. The peoples of Greater Austria also appear to have much better relations with each other than the peoples of Greater Russia do, probably in large part due to Putin's aggression against Ukraine.

    *Granted, IMHO, this was not 100% guaranteed in regards to Galicia and Bukovina. If Poland would have ever eventually broken away from Russia even in a no-WWI TL, a trade of Galicia to Poland in exchange for a Hapsburg cadet branch King in Poland might not have seemed completely implausible or undesirable for Austria. And if Galicia would have seceded, then Bukovina might have also done so (except to join Romania) for logistical reasons.

    Replies: @AP

    , @silviosilver
    @AP


    Defending Serbia was not only immoral and evil,
     
    From your own, rather eccentric, catholic supremacist point of view perhaps. From the point of view of, roughly, the entire field of international relations, it's simply understood, amorally , that Russia had an interest in preventing further Austrian expansion into the balkans. "Defending Serbia" was simply a necessary pretence; citing it serves more to muddy the waters than to illuminate anything. (Wail about "regicide" all you like, it's not an issue I or, in this day and age, anyone else has much interest in in.)

    but far more costly for Russia than was Austria punishing Serbia for Austria.
     
    For the Russian people, certainly. For the respective regimes, it was equally ruinous. In terms of territorial losses, the "Russians" fared far better.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @AP

  214. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    Sure, that war wasn't worth it for the Austrian side (or for anyone) even though Austria was justified in invading Serbia. Who was at fault? Russia, for defending the Serbian regime and thereby turning what should have been a limited war into a world war.

    Defending Serbia was not only immoral and evil, but far more costly for Russia than was Austria punishing Serbia for Austria.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @silviosilver

    Sure, that war wasn’t worth it for the Austrian side (or for anyone) even though Austria was justified in invading Serbia. Who was at fault? Russia, for defending the Serbian regime and thereby turning what should have been a limited war into a world war.

    By that logic, Russian nationalists will say that Ukraine should have simply surrendered (and that the West should have encouraged Ukraine to do so immediately) in order to save a lot of lives in 2022 and beyond.

    Heck, by that logic, one can argue (at least from the perspective of Polish national interests) that Poland should have made a deal with Hitler instead of opposing him and that the Anglo-French were evil (at least from a Polish national interests perspective) for encouraging the Poles to resist Hitler through their own Polish guarantees and alliances instead of encouraging the Poles to make a deal with Hitler. (Of course, one could also say that the Anglo-French were evil and/or stupid for refusing to ally with the Soviet Union in 1939. Everything that they feared would happen–a Communization of Eastern Europe–ultimately happened anyway but at a much higher cost for Europe than would have been the case had an Anglo-Franco-Soviet alliance been created back in 1939.)

    As a side note, though, I do *completely agree* with you that Russia should not have taken Austria-Hungary’s bait. Ultimately, letting all Serbs who are displeased with Austro-Hungarian rule (and/or Austro-Hungarian puppet rule) move to Russia (or, alternatively, elsewhere–would the West accept them, for instance?) would have been far better than turning a limited local war into a World War. Russia could have even tried sponsoring a Serbian insurgency against Austria-Hungary afterwards, though I doubt that it would have succeeded and it would have almost certainly created even further Austro-Hungarian hostility towards both the Serbs and Russia.

    That said, though, I’m unsure that the 20th century was that much worse for Russia relative to Austria based on just how much of their full potential they were deprived of. Austria in its current borders currently has nine million people but would have had 40-50 million within its 1914 borders had it avoided both World Wars, Nazism, and Communism and kept its 1914 borders up to the present-day*. Russia currently has 150 million people but would have had 500-600 million people within its 1914 borders minus perhaps Poland, which could still perhaps eventually break away from Russia if Russia still ever eventually experiences a successful revolution without the World Wars. So, overall, it’s a close call. In terms of suffering, though, it’s obvious that Greater Russia suffered much more during the 20th century and beyond than Greater Austria did. The peoples of Greater Austria also appear to have much better relations with each other than the peoples of Greater Russia do, probably in large part due to Putin’s aggression against Ukraine.

    *Granted, IMHO, this was not 100% guaranteed in regards to Galicia and Bukovina. If Poland would have ever eventually broken away from Russia even in a no-WWI TL, a trade of Galicia to Poland in exchange for a Hapsburg cadet branch King in Poland might not have seemed completely implausible or undesirable for Austria. And if Galicia would have seceded, then Bukovina might have also done so (except to join Romania) for logistical reasons.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    Sure, that war wasn’t worth it for the Austrian side (or for anyone) even though Austria was justified in invading Serbia. Who was at fault? Russia, for defending the Serbian regime and thereby turning what should have been a limited war into a world war.

    By that logic, Russian nationalists will say that Ukraine should have simply surrendered (and that the West should have encouraged Ukraine to do so immediately) in order to save a lot of lives in 2022 and beyond.
     
    No, because the price of Austria not punishing Serbia would not have been as steep as the price for Ukraine not defending itself in 2022.

    That said, though, I’m unsure that the 20th century was that much worse for Russia relative to Austria based on just how much of their full potential they were deprived of.
     
    Austria went from being a second-tier world power to being a small very prosperous state with one of the world's highest living standards, and not a lot of blood lost. The ruling family lost its throne and went into generally comfortable exile.

    Russia' power did not decline as much, but it lost tens of millions people to war, brutality, starvation etc. and ended up as a poor country. The ruling family lost its throne and was brutally murdered.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  215. German_reader says:
    @Sher Singh
    @German_reader

    This is not very known, but Germany, for all the dooming about it, is actually in a healthier state than the other west euro nations. Of the current 0-18 cohort, 81% are Euros, 6% Turks, 9% MENA and only 2% Asian and 1.5% African. And yet they're already pushing for remigration.

    Compare with France, where 30-35% of the births are already Maghrebis and blacks, and yet the people are busy protesting pensions reforms. Same for the other countries where fast replacement is happening -- Anglosphere, Benelux, Sweden -- where the pushback also feels weak

    Sure, Germany is far from being perfect. It has a low birthrate, like Japan, and has had one for decades. Aging is bound to have severe consequences. But turning into Japan is incomparably better than turning into Brazil.

    https://nitter.net/dobrerestored/status/1722629839440720248#m

    Thoughts? Bit of a doofus wignat but yea..

    Replies: @German_reader

    Thoughts?

    Maybe a bit too optimistic, but I agree that I don’t think it’s totally hopeless for Germany.
    Quite a bit of regional variation though. AfD is doing well in East Germany, and also has had quite a bit of success in the recent state elections in Bavaria and Hesse (in rural areas, smaller towns etc.). People in North-Rhine-Westphalia and North Germany seem irredeemably fucked in the head though. If present trends continue, I would hope the country eventually splits up, or that at least there’ll be areas where the right-wing counter-culture becomes dominant.

  216. @Greasy William
    @Dmitry


    That is not related to antisemitism.
     
    People like LondonBob who get their news from The Duran are motivated by antisemitism. Such people believe the lies that they are fed about how Hamas is currently standing up the IDF.

    Why “our”? You don’t understand a letter of Hebrew and didn’t visit Israel?
     
    Because I'm a Jew

    Gantz already said they won’t remove Gaza or have a “view to the sea”.
     
    Gantz also said that Israel will responsible for Gaza security after the war is over and will permanently do raids in and out of the populated areas within Gaza, i.e. returning the the status quo ante 2005, except with much looser rules of engagement. I'm not expecting Israel to return to the pre Oslo situation, that would be impossible and the Israeli public would never stand for it, but rather I expect Gaza to be turned into 2 ghettos that will be ruled by gangs on the US payroll, similar to how the Palestinians currently rule themselves in Judea and Samaria. And of course the people of Gaza will be forbidden from working in Israel, will no longer get electricity and water from Israel and will have their territory further encroached on.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Duran Duran? I’m assuming this is not Duran Duran who are “motivated by antisemitism”. They are from England, but the singer lived in Israel for a year after school in the 1970s when he was a teenager.

    Their first song is about Tel Aviv. They were a kind of progressive rock music in the beginning.

    The lyrics of the song “Chaffeur” was based on an experience of his youth when women Israeli soldiers drove him around in a tractor on a hot day in the desert. I guess from the lyrics, he was there with a girl he was dating.

    Why “our”? You don’t understand a letter of Hebrew and didn’t visit Israel?

    Because I’m a Jew

    I’m sure even Talha knows a letter of Arabic, as he writes about “our Al Quds”. There is some problem of people who try to self-promote themselves talking about opposing football teams they support, without having a relation to these or ever kicking a ball.

    Gantz also said that Israel will responsible for Gaza security after the war is over and will permanently do raids in and out of the populated areas within Gaza, i.e. returning the the status quo ante 2005, except with much looser rules

    That would probably not be a strategic victory. Before 2005, Israel received constant security issues in relation to Gaza, as well the costs in terms of international relations of the occupation.

    US payroll, similar to how the Palestinians currently rule themselves in Judea and Samaria.

    The situation inherited in the West Bank would be difficult to describe as a strategic victory.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Dmitry

    "The Duran" is a YouTube channel that functions as sort of a central news service for Russophiles. If you got all your information from them you'd think that Hamas has the IDF stopped cold.


    The situation inherited in the West Bank would be difficult to describe as a strategic victory.
     
    There isn't going to be any strategic victories for Israel. Israel will always be the most hated country in the world, it will always be forced to babysit 4+ million (and growing) Palestinians and it will always be at war with over 1 billion Ishmaelites. The reason that the Palestinians have been able to continue their struggle for nearly 80 years now is because they understand that Israel's long term strategic situation is utterly hopeless no matter what Israel does.

    But Moshiach will be here soon, and that is the only strategic victory that Israel will need.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  217. @Mikel
    @Dmitry


    Around a year in the past, you were writing how you believed Mormons of Utah strongly supported Ukraine and some young Mormans had been dying as volunteer soldiers in Ukraine.
     
    I don't remember that. Are you not confusing Ukraine with Afghanistan?

    In any case, it doesn't have anything to do with my comment about the obvious connection between Israel (where the "Nephites" and "Lamanites" allegedly came from) and the Mormon religion. A year ago most Utahns (like most Americans) strongly supported Ukraine and today I see that some religious Mormons are putting up US-Israel flags on their front yards, which is more than they did about Ukraine. I can't say for sure but I know them and it's quite likely a local ward initiative. I wouldn't be surprised if the guidelines come from higher up too.

    Both things can perfectly be true at the same time, can they not? In the same way that Israel may be justified in responding militarily to the October 7th attacks but is not justified in ignoring the Geneva Convention and killing thousands of innocent people. It's not complicated really.

    PS- As a matter of fact, Israel could have perfectly chosen to respond to the attacks in a strictly legal way, by trying to bring the masterminds and perpetrators to justice, like so many civilized countries have done with their own terrorist groups. It's difficult, time-consuming and not too rewarding for those seeking instant retribution but it often works quite well in the long term.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    I don’t remember that. Are you not confusing Ukraine

    I guess I misremember, you were talking about the Mormon soldier from Idaho, not a Utah Mormon.
    https://www.deseret.com/2022/10/14/23404548/latter-day-saint-fighting-ukraine-dies-dane-partridge-russia-war-rexburg-idaho

    Mormons are putting up US-Israel flags on their front yards, which is more than they did about Ukraine. I can’t say for sure but I know them and it’s quite likely a local ward initiative. I wouldn’t be surprised if the guidelines come from higher up too.

    It seems some Mormons are Zionists.
    https://jewishjournal.com/judaism/132436/why-mormons-cant-be-anti-zionists/

    Also had Mormons by far the highest positive views towards the American Jews from any of the religions (although not the other direction), which they probably associate to Israel or view as a proxy.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2023/03/15/americans-feel-more-positive-than-negative-about-jews-mainline-protestants-catholics/

    But also Mormons’ culture is patriotic in the Reagan sense of “pro-Western”, which would support Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    I sit and work next to a 24 year old Mormon "kid" in the office. In his first year of production, he's breaking all sort of sales records at our successful Advisory firm. Sure, it helps that his father has long been a successful Advisor that he can lean on for advice and encouragement, but from my vantage point, his success is greatly derived from smarts and hard work. He's already spent two years over in Japan on missionary work, and knows the language and culture quite well. A tall, good looking guy too (he looks a lot like a young Charlton Heston), he's been able to attract an equally good looking spouse, and together they already have 3 kids! My impression of a few of the other Mormons in the office is equally positive. My relations with Mormons in Arizona has been quite positive. I used to report to one at another firm that I worked at. A super smart guy who treated me very fairly. They're good, hard working people - America could do much worse.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson, @Dmitry

  218. @Dmitry
    @Greasy William

    Duran Duran? I'm assuming this is not Duran Duran who are "motivated by antisemitism". They are from England, but the singer lived in Israel for a year after school in the 1970s when he was a teenager.

    Their first song is about Tel Aviv. They were a kind of progressive rock music in the beginning.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO34tTZetfU

    The lyrics of the song "Chaffeur" was based on an experience of his youth when women Israeli soldiers drove him around in a tractor on a hot day in the desert. I guess from the lyrics, he was there with a girl he was dating.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUX9pf_wJmg



    Why “our”? You don’t understand a letter of Hebrew and didn’t visit Israel?

     

    Because I’m a Jew
     
    I'm sure even Talha knows a letter of Arabic, as he writes about "our Al Quds". There is some problem of people who try to self-promote themselves talking about opposing football teams they support, without having a relation to these or ever kicking a ball.

    Gantz also said that Israel will responsible for Gaza security after the war is over and will permanently do raids in and out of the populated areas within Gaza, i.e. returning the the status quo ante 2005, except with much looser rules

     

    That would probably not be a strategic victory. Before 2005, Israel received constant security issues in relation to Gaza, as well the costs in terms of international relations of the occupation.

    US payroll, similar to how the Palestinians currently rule themselves in Judea and Samaria.

     

    The situation inherited in the West Bank would be difficult to describe as a strategic victory.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    “The Duran” is a YouTube channel that functions as sort of a central news service for Russophiles. If you got all your information from them you’d think that Hamas has the IDF stopped cold.

    The situation inherited in the West Bank would be difficult to describe as a strategic victory.

    There isn’t going to be any strategic victories for Israel. Israel will always be the most hated country in the world, it will always be forced to babysit 4+ million (and growing) Palestinians and it will always be at war with over 1 billion Ishmaelites. The reason that the Palestinians have been able to continue their struggle for nearly 80 years now is because they understand that Israel’s long term strategic situation is utterly hopeless no matter what Israel does.

    But Moshiach will be here soon, and that is the only strategic victory that Israel will need.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Greasy William

    I was wondering if you were confusing Duran Duran with another English band Pink Floyd.

    Pink Floyd are writing anti-Israel messages, while Duran Duran are on the opposite side with their first song called "Tel Aviv".

    -

    Pink Floyd - 1970s progressive rock albums, Duran Duran 1980s pop music.

    The difference from the 1970s to 1980s, shows how fast the pop music was changing in that time in the West, each decade had different sounds, changing production methods, different fashion, seems to reflect some important changes of the world consciousness.

    Unlike for the last twenty years, pop music has been stagnating without significant changes and becomes irrelevant as a measurement of the epoch changes.

    If you listen to Duran Duran, there are many "1980s features" which wasn't promoted in the 1970s. The optimism Reagan was reflecting, glamor/superficiality, capitalist excess, businessman's culture.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCjMZMxNr-0

    Replies: @S

  219. @A123
    @John Johnson



    Israel will maintain security control. This will prevent Hamas from reforming. It will have ongoing costs, however this is not an unaffordable burden.

     

    Wasn’t the same argument made over the Golan Heights?
     
    *NO*

    • Islam had a choice to negotiate.
    • Islam refused to negotiate.
    • Islam lost the land.

    Being stupid, violent, pathetic, and intransigent has a price. Syria and Ukraine are now permanently smaller. And, they have only themselves to blame.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    NO

    Islam had a choice to negotiate.

    Islam is a religion and they are divided on the subject of Israel.

    There isn’t a single representative of Islam that can negotiate.

    Your statement doesn’t make any sense.

    Being stupid, violent, pathetic, and intransigent has a price. Syria and Ukraine are now permanently smaller. And, they have only themselves to blame.

    Ukraine is now smaller because they were being stupid and violent?

    You’ve suggested they surrender which would make them non-existent.

    Are you still gunning for Trump or did you finally give that up?

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson

    What part of NO did you fail to understand?

    Was it the NO, the NO, or the *NO*?

    Your inability to grasp *NO* as an answer doesn’t make any sense.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

  220. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    The scenario of a Russian dictator snapping up non-NATO countries was suggested decades ago.
     
    In a James Bond movie? In the real world they haven't mustered the courage in 3 decades to annex those little enclaves in Georgia full of co-ethnics. Imagine Finland lol.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    In a James Bond movie? In the real world they haven’t mustered the courage in 3 decades to annex those little enclaves in Georgia full of co-ethnics. Imagine Finland lol.

    They’ve invaded Transnistria, Georgia and Ukraine.

    They fought two bloody wars using unscrupulous tactics to keep in Chechnya.

    They fought Syrian rebels and used nerve agents to prop up Doctor Atheist who is hated by his own people.

    Putin is on record stating that it’s a shame that the USSR dissolved.

    He is also on record stating that the great Tsars are conquerors and “Historic Russia” contains Ukraine.

    Leaked plans show that he expected Kiev to collapse within two weeks and then they would continue on to Moldova.

    Over a dozen people close to him have fallen out of windows or drowned since the invasion.

    You can look at all of this and believe it would be outside of his moral character to invade Finland?

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @John Johnson

    Yes, Putin is a very bad guy who has nevertheless not had the courage to annex South Ossetia, Abkhazia or Transistria, 3 small enclaves full of Russians. In all likelihood, what he was planning to link up to was Transinstria, not Moldova, as you keep repeating with no more evidence than an arrow on a map. But he also failed at that.

    Will you now explain where exactly it was "suggested" that a Russian dictator would snap up neighboring countries like Finland for no reason or are you ashamed of letting us know what kind of models our money is spent on? Perhaps if our generals and politicians hadn't believed those models so much they could have spared us this stupid war.

    Replies: @JL

  221. German_reader says:
    @Mikel
    @German_reader


    The stated reasons for those policies don’t make any sense either.
     
    None whatsoever. As far as I know, nobody in Europe pretends that the people crossing the Mediterranean are not primarily economic migrants but the millions that the US is letting in from Latin America and other places are admitted as "asylum seekers". The idea that all of a sudden so many millions need to flee their countries for political reasons and the only solution for the US is to let them in and supposedly spend tens of millions of man-hours at some point in the future examining the merits of each of their applications is so ridiculous that it's hard to understand how people are accepting it so meekly. It's just obvious that someone wants to radically change the demographics of the US.

    As I've mentioned in the past, I happen to know some of these asylum seekers. I hire them sometimes. I won't deny that they're cheaper so that's probably one of the reasons for the invasion. Some people clearly benefit from their presence, including myself at times. But the long term effects are not difficult to imagine. The other day I had a run-in with a Venezuelan truck driver that Home Depot sent me. A very unpleasant guy with a tremendous attitude. We ended up cursing at each other in Spanish (the only language he spoke). I know a family of asylum seekers who have been here for some 8 years but haven't bothered learning English. What for? Everything can be done in Spanish in Utah these days, including getting the husband's professional license. I have no idea if anyone has ever examined their asylum claim but it doesn't matter, they're not going anywhere. They've already had two children that were born in the US and are thus American citizens. It's interesting how nobody mentions deportations of the illegal population anymore. In 2016 it was at least conceivable in theory though obviously nobody was going to expel 11-30 million people anywhere. Now it's a pipe dream.

    Replies: @German_reader, @QCIC, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    nobody in Europe pretends that the people crossing the Mediterranean are not primarily economic migrants

    In Germany that is the pretense, “asylum” is the magic door opener. Essentially the position is that you can’t reject anybody at the borders, because they have a right to have their asylum application heard. And once people are inside the country, virtually nobody ever gets deported.
    I’m surprised it plays such a prominent role with Latin Americans in the US. Apart maybe from Venezuela and Cuba I can’t even think of any possible grounds for claiming asylum. Most of these countries are at least semi-democratic in the sense of having regular elections and there aren’t any large-scale wars in Latin America either. Even most internal insurgencies have died down. Sure, there’s a lot of corruption and crime, so I suppose that’s enough reason for Open Borderites.

    • Replies: @AP
    @German_reader


    I’m surprised it plays such a prominent role with Latin Americans in the US. Apart maybe from Venezuela and Cuba I can’t even think of any possible grounds for claiming asylum
     
    They claim asylum from gang warfare - that is, they say that because they or their brother refused to pay extortion money to a gang in Guatemala or Mexico or wherever, they are at risk because the gang will kill the whole family.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Mr. XYZ

  222. @John Johnson
    @A123

    NO

    Islam had a choice to negotiate.

    Islam is a religion and they are divided on the subject of Israel.

    There isn't a single representative of Islam that can negotiate.

    Your statement doesn't make any sense.

    Being stupid, violent, pathetic, and intransigent has a price. Syria and Ukraine are now permanently smaller. And, they have only themselves to blame.

    Ukraine is now smaller because they were being stupid and violent?

    You've suggested they surrender which would make them non-existent.

    Are you still gunning for Trump or did you finally give that up?

    Replies: @A123

    What part of NO did you fail to understand?

    Was it the NO, the NO, or the *NO*?

    Your inability to grasp *NO* as an answer doesn’t make any sense.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    I understand the concept of no and I wish Biden would use the word with Israel.

    I don't see how Islam can say no as it is a religion and not an entity or even a single organization. It is in fact sharply divided along Shia and Suni lines to where they have fought bloody wars against each other. Furthermore it was a group of countries that attacked Israel and not every Muslim state or even most Muslims.

    Do explain how Islam saying no to Israel in 1967 is any more possible than Sociology ordering a cheese sandwich.

  223. @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    In a James Bond movie? In the real world they haven’t mustered the courage in 3 decades to annex those little enclaves in Georgia full of co-ethnics. Imagine Finland lol.

    They've invaded Transnistria, Georgia and Ukraine.

    They fought two bloody wars using unscrupulous tactics to keep in Chechnya.

    They fought Syrian rebels and used nerve agents to prop up Doctor Atheist who is hated by his own people.

    Putin is on record stating that it's a shame that the USSR dissolved.

    He is also on record stating that the great Tsars are conquerors and "Historic Russia" contains Ukraine.

    Leaked plans show that he expected Kiev to collapse within two weeks and then they would continue on to Moldova.

    Over a dozen people close to him have fallen out of windows or drowned since the invasion.

    You can look at all of this and believe it would be outside of his moral character to invade Finland?

    Replies: @Mikel

    Yes, Putin is a very bad guy who has nevertheless not had the courage to annex South Ossetia, Abkhazia or Transistria, 3 small enclaves full of Russians. In all likelihood, what he was planning to link up to was Transinstria, not Moldova, as you keep repeating with no more evidence than an arrow on a map. But he also failed at that.

    Will you now explain where exactly it was “suggested” that a Russian dictator would snap up neighboring countries like Finland for no reason or are you ashamed of letting us know what kind of models our money is spent on? Perhaps if our generals and politicians hadn’t believed those models so much they could have spared us this stupid war.

    • Replies: @JL
    @Mikel

    South Ossetia and Abkhazia aren't "full of Russians" and the latter is very determined to maintain its independence both from Georgia and Russia.

  224. @A123
    @John Johnson

    What part of NO did you fail to understand?

    Was it the NO, the NO, or the *NO*?

    Your inability to grasp *NO* as an answer doesn’t make any sense.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I understand the concept of no and I wish Biden would use the word with Israel.

    I don’t see how Islam can say no as it is a religion and not an entity or even a single organization. It is in fact sharply divided along Shia and Suni lines to where they have fought bloody wars against each other. Furthermore it was a group of countries that attacked Israel and not every Muslim state or even most Muslims.

    Do explain how Islam saying no to Israel in 1967 is any more possible than Sociology ordering a cheese sandwich.

  225. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    nobody in Europe pretends that the people crossing the Mediterranean are not primarily economic migrants
     
    In Germany that is the pretense, "asylum" is the magic door opener. Essentially the position is that you can't reject anybody at the borders, because they have a right to have their asylum application heard. And once people are inside the country, virtually nobody ever gets deported.
    I'm surprised it plays such a prominent role with Latin Americans in the US. Apart maybe from Venezuela and Cuba I can't even think of any possible grounds for claiming asylum. Most of these countries are at least semi-democratic in the sense of having regular elections and there aren't any large-scale wars in Latin America either. Even most internal insurgencies have died down. Sure, there's a lot of corruption and crime, so I suppose that's enough reason for Open Borderites.

    Replies: @AP

    I’m surprised it plays such a prominent role with Latin Americans in the US. Apart maybe from Venezuela and Cuba I can’t even think of any possible grounds for claiming asylum

    They claim asylum from gang warfare – that is, they say that because they or their brother refused to pay extortion money to a gang in Guatemala or Mexico or wherever, they are at risk because the gang will kill the whole family.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AP


    They claim asylum from gang warfare
     
    I believe some have claimed asylum for domestic violence at home. A guy I once hired told me that he spent a year in the Venezuelan army because he thought that would improve his chances of getting asylum once he made it to the US: become a member of the repressive forces so that you can better pretend to be a genuine defector of the regime later on.

    I know for a fact that there's also a tremendous amount of money involved in all this. You don't leave Venezuela without first checking what the going rate at the Mexican port of entry is. Coyotes at the border need their cut too and the laws of demand and supply keep raising it.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    You know, I'm surprised that Latin American countries, other than perhaps Bukele's El Salvador right now, are so dysfunctional (in terms of gangs, crime, and their extreme murder rates) in spite of some of them being fairly prosperous by Third World standards and in spite of Latinos doing relatively well in the US (probably a lifestyle comparable to Europeans in Europe). Is living next to a lot of mostly Germanic white Europeans in the US that massively beneficial for Latinos, in terms of them having much better rule of law, a better social safety net (other than perhaps for illegals), et cetera?

  226. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Sure, that war wasn’t worth it for the Austrian side (or for anyone) even though Austria was justified in invading Serbia. Who was at fault? Russia, for defending the Serbian regime and thereby turning what should have been a limited war into a world war.

     

    By that logic, Russian nationalists will say that Ukraine should have simply surrendered (and that the West should have encouraged Ukraine to do so immediately) in order to save a lot of lives in 2022 and beyond.

    Heck, by that logic, one can argue (at least from the perspective of Polish national interests) that Poland should have made a deal with Hitler instead of opposing him and that the Anglo-French were evil (at least from a Polish national interests perspective) for encouraging the Poles to resist Hitler through their own Polish guarantees and alliances instead of encouraging the Poles to make a deal with Hitler. (Of course, one could also say that the Anglo-French were evil and/or stupid for refusing to ally with the Soviet Union in 1939. Everything that they feared would happen--a Communization of Eastern Europe--ultimately happened anyway but at a much higher cost for Europe than would have been the case had an Anglo-Franco-Soviet alliance been created back in 1939.)

    As a side note, though, I do *completely agree* with you that Russia should not have taken Austria-Hungary's bait. Ultimately, letting all Serbs who are displeased with Austro-Hungarian rule (and/or Austro-Hungarian puppet rule) move to Russia (or, alternatively, elsewhere--would the West accept them, for instance?) would have been far better than turning a limited local war into a World War. Russia could have even tried sponsoring a Serbian insurgency against Austria-Hungary afterwards, though I doubt that it would have succeeded and it would have almost certainly created even further Austro-Hungarian hostility towards both the Serbs and Russia.

    That said, though, I'm unsure that the 20th century was that much worse for Russia relative to Austria based on just how much of their full potential they were deprived of. Austria in its current borders currently has nine million people but would have had 40-50 million within its 1914 borders had it avoided both World Wars, Nazism, and Communism and kept its 1914 borders up to the present-day*. Russia currently has 150 million people but would have had 500-600 million people within its 1914 borders minus perhaps Poland, which could still perhaps eventually break away from Russia if Russia still ever eventually experiences a successful revolution without the World Wars. So, overall, it's a close call. In terms of suffering, though, it's obvious that Greater Russia suffered much more during the 20th century and beyond than Greater Austria did. The peoples of Greater Austria also appear to have much better relations with each other than the peoples of Greater Russia do, probably in large part due to Putin's aggression against Ukraine.

    *Granted, IMHO, this was not 100% guaranteed in regards to Galicia and Bukovina. If Poland would have ever eventually broken away from Russia even in a no-WWI TL, a trade of Galicia to Poland in exchange for a Hapsburg cadet branch King in Poland might not have seemed completely implausible or undesirable for Austria. And if Galicia would have seceded, then Bukovina might have also done so (except to join Romania) for logistical reasons.

    Replies: @AP

    Sure, that war wasn’t worth it for the Austrian side (or for anyone) even though Austria was justified in invading Serbia. Who was at fault? Russia, for defending the Serbian regime and thereby turning what should have been a limited war into a world war.

    By that logic, Russian nationalists will say that Ukraine should have simply surrendered (and that the West should have encouraged Ukraine to do so immediately) in order to save a lot of lives in 2022 and beyond.

    No, because the price of Austria not punishing Serbia would not have been as steep as the price for Ukraine not defending itself in 2022.

    That said, though, I’m unsure that the 20th century was that much worse for Russia relative to Austria based on just how much of their full potential they were deprived of.

    Austria went from being a second-tier world power to being a small very prosperous state with one of the world’s highest living standards, and not a lot of blood lost. The ruling family lost its throne and went into generally comfortable exile.

    Russia’ power did not decline as much, but it lost tens of millions people to war, brutality, starvation etc. and ended up as a poor country. The ruling family lost its throne and was brutally murdered.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    No, because the price of Austria not punishing Serbia would not have been as steep as the price for Ukraine not defending itself in 2022.
     
    Well, you're certainly right about that. The Ukrainian people could have abandoned their property or sold it to Russians and moved to the EU, but still, losing their country would have severely sucked. (Most Israelis, for instance, I suspect would not be willing to lose their country even if they could all acquire US citizenship as compensation for this.)

    Austria went from being a second-tier world power to being a small very prosperous state with one of the world’s highest living standards, and not a lot of blood lost. The ruling family lost its throne and went into generally comfortable exile.
     
    Austria lost a lot of blood in World War II (a direct result of World War I) due to it being a part of Nazi Germany and thus Austrians being forced to fight for Nazi Germany, though. Take a look at this map:

    https://i.redd.it/bvyej003gwv11.png

    In 1950, Austria had only 81 males aged 25 to 49 for every 100 females aged 25 to 49. Germany, of course, fared even worse (77), but the ex-Russian Empire lands fared especially poorly (60-something).

    Russia’ power did not decline as much, but it lost tens of millions people to war, brutality, starvation etc. and ended up as a poor country. The ruling family lost its throne and was brutally murdered.
     
    Russia is about as wealthy as Turkey in GDP PPP per capita terms but Yeah, much poorer than Austria. Of course, its average IQ is also probably around 1/3 of a standard deviation below Austria's. I suspect that Russia's full potential would be at around France's or Italy's level, at least without large-scale Western sanctions, which of course won't get removed without a satisfactory solution to the Ukraine question. Russia did lose a significant part of its smart fraction, though: Specifically the White Russians who emigrated during and after the Russian Civil War as well as the Jews who were murdered en masse in the Holocaust and the Jewish survivors and their descendants who emigrated en masse since 1970, a process that is still ongoing even today (and which, until Israel's version of 9/11 occurred a month ago, some right-wing Israelis wanted to stop because they perceived a lot of the ex-USSR newcomers to Israel as being "insufficiently Jewish" due to them having Jewish ancestry on the wrong part of their family tree). (Stupid right-wing Israelis! Wanting to turn away and reject potential human capital, and culturally compatible and easily assimilable one at that, simply because they have a Jewish grandfather rather than a Jewish grandmother like they want them to have. It thankfully appears that Israel's version of 9/11 caused them to indefinitely postpone these plans of theirs.) Austria did lose its Jews as a result of Nazism (to both mass emigration pre-Holocaust and mass murder once the Holocaust occurred), but other than that, Austria does not appear to have lost much of its remaining human capital, at least within its current borders (as opposed to its 1914 borders).

    I did some rough mental calculations and I think that we lost around a Germany's worth of elite science production as a result of all of the demographic devastation that Russia went through during the 20th century. It would have been a France's worth of elite science production if one would have only looked at the 200 million Eastern Slavs who were deprived of existence, but there were also 10+ million Jews who were deprived of existence who would have increased the elite science production from a France's worth to a Germany's worth. (By "worth", I mean "level".)

    Replies: @AP

  227. @AP
    @German_reader


    I’m surprised it plays such a prominent role with Latin Americans in the US. Apart maybe from Venezuela and Cuba I can’t even think of any possible grounds for claiming asylum
     
    They claim asylum from gang warfare - that is, they say that because they or their brother refused to pay extortion money to a gang in Guatemala or Mexico or wherever, they are at risk because the gang will kill the whole family.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Mr. XYZ

    They claim asylum from gang warfare

    I believe some have claimed asylum for domestic violence at home. A guy I once hired told me that he spent a year in the Venezuelan army because he thought that would improve his chances of getting asylum once he made it to the US: become a member of the repressive forces so that you can better pretend to be a genuine defector of the regime later on.

    I know for a fact that there’s also a tremendous amount of money involved in all this. You don’t leave Venezuela without first checking what the going rate at the Mexican port of entry is. Coyotes at the border need their cut too and the laws of demand and supply keep raising it.

    • Agree: AP, Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikel

    Seems like there should be more opportunities for Latin Americans to come to the US legally so that they don't have to rely on coyotes to get here illegally, no? That, and the US should accept many more cognitively elitist immigrants from the entire world. They occasionally have their bad apples (see this guy: https://www.newsweek.com/who-loay-alnaji-pro-palestinian-accused-killing-paul-kessler-demonstration-california-1842207 ), but generally they assimilate pretty well, as do most Latin Americans in general (even the working-class ones).

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Mikel

  228. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    Sure, that war wasn’t worth it for the Austrian side (or for anyone) even though Austria was justified in invading Serbia. Who was at fault? Russia, for defending the Serbian regime and thereby turning what should have been a limited war into a world war.

    By that logic, Russian nationalists will say that Ukraine should have simply surrendered (and that the West should have encouraged Ukraine to do so immediately) in order to save a lot of lives in 2022 and beyond.
     
    No, because the price of Austria not punishing Serbia would not have been as steep as the price for Ukraine not defending itself in 2022.

    That said, though, I’m unsure that the 20th century was that much worse for Russia relative to Austria based on just how much of their full potential they were deprived of.
     
    Austria went from being a second-tier world power to being a small very prosperous state with one of the world's highest living standards, and not a lot of blood lost. The ruling family lost its throne and went into generally comfortable exile.

    Russia' power did not decline as much, but it lost tens of millions people to war, brutality, starvation etc. and ended up as a poor country. The ruling family lost its throne and was brutally murdered.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    No, because the price of Austria not punishing Serbia would not have been as steep as the price for Ukraine not defending itself in 2022.

    Well, you’re certainly right about that. The Ukrainian people could have abandoned their property or sold it to Russians and moved to the EU, but still, losing their country would have severely sucked. (Most Israelis, for instance, I suspect would not be willing to lose their country even if they could all acquire US citizenship as compensation for this.)

    Austria went from being a second-tier world power to being a small very prosperous state with one of the world’s highest living standards, and not a lot of blood lost. The ruling family lost its throne and went into generally comfortable exile.

    Austria lost a lot of blood in World War II (a direct result of World War I) due to it being a part of Nazi Germany and thus Austrians being forced to fight for Nazi Germany, though. Take a look at this map:

    In 1950, Austria had only 81 males aged 25 to 49 for every 100 females aged 25 to 49. Germany, of course, fared even worse (77), but the ex-Russian Empire lands fared especially poorly (60-something).

    Russia’ power did not decline as much, but it lost tens of millions people to war, brutality, starvation etc. and ended up as a poor country. The ruling family lost its throne and was brutally murdered.

    Russia is about as wealthy as Turkey in GDP PPP per capita terms but Yeah, much poorer than Austria. Of course, its average IQ is also probably around 1/3 of a standard deviation below Austria’s. I suspect that Russia’s full potential would be at around France’s or Italy’s level, at least without large-scale Western sanctions, which of course won’t get removed without a satisfactory solution to the Ukraine question. Russia did lose a significant part of its smart fraction, though: Specifically the White Russians who emigrated during and after the Russian Civil War as well as the Jews who were murdered en masse in the Holocaust and the Jewish survivors and their descendants who emigrated en masse since 1970, a process that is still ongoing even today (and which, until Israel’s version of 9/11 occurred a month ago, some right-wing Israelis wanted to stop because they perceived a lot of the ex-USSR newcomers to Israel as being “insufficiently Jewish” due to them having Jewish ancestry on the wrong part of their family tree). (Stupid right-wing Israelis! Wanting to turn away and reject potential human capital, and culturally compatible and easily assimilable one at that, simply because they have a Jewish grandfather rather than a Jewish grandmother like they want them to have. It thankfully appears that Israel’s version of 9/11 caused them to indefinitely postpone these plans of theirs.) Austria did lose its Jews as a result of Nazism (to both mass emigration pre-Holocaust and mass murder once the Holocaust occurred), but other than that, Austria does not appear to have lost much of its remaining human capital, at least within its current borders (as opposed to its 1914 borders).

    I did some rough mental calculations and I think that we lost around a Germany’s worth of elite science production as a result of all of the demographic devastation that Russia went through during the 20th century. It would have been a France’s worth of elite science production if one would have only looked at the 200 million Eastern Slavs who were deprived of existence, but there were also 10+ million Jews who were deprived of existence who would have increased the elite science production from a France’s worth to a Germany’s worth. (By “worth”, I mean “level”.)

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    First map is kind of fishy. Why is Switzerland so low? The same as Italy? Poland seems high.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  229. @sudden death
    @Beckow


    If the unthinkable happens Helsinki is an early target – up to this year it would be bypassed as neutral. That must feel really good.
     
    Reminder that neutral non-NATO Austria was the nuclear target and would have been bombed by Kremlin in case of war with NATO just as any other NATO country, so neutrality means jackshit in nuclear age. As in any other era too, when it was the time for serious SHTF;)

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Beckow

    ….neutral non-NATO Austria was the nuclear target

    No, it wasn’t, nobody was going to nuke Vienna. What you are talking about was in the case Nato used the Austrian territory to attack the Soviets and there was fighting in Austria. That was possible, Austria sits in the center of Europe. Helsinki in Nato is completely different, they are literally now the front-line – and they were not involved before if Finns would stay out. In any case, it it happens, it won’t matter that much, we are all f…d…

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    TBF, Russia would have a harder time against NATO in the Baltic area if it was forced to attack on two fronts: Both the Finnish front and the Baltic States front. Russia would have to split its forces in such a scenario. I also wonder if Russia would try mining the Baltic Sea in such a scenario since NATO should have naval superiority in the Baltic Sea.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @sudden death
    @Beckow


    nobody was going to nuke Vienna
     
    Desperate lies, as usual;)

    VIENNA would have been one of the first victims of a Soviet nuclear strike on Western Europe despite its neutral status, according to documents detailing the cities to be attacked during a third world war.
    The Austrian capital was joined by Munich and Verona in the list of population centres earmarked for destruction by Warsaw Pact planners preparing for war in 1965.
    The documents, unearthed in Hungarian archives by a team of Swiss researchers, give an insight into the attitudes of the Soviet high command.
    Officers conducting a high-level command exercise did not clarify whether the use of Soviet nuclear weapons had been preceded by a Nato strike, raising the suspicion that the Russians were not impressed by the concept of nuclear deterrence.
    The planners assumed that Nato would be equally ruthless, with Budapest and other Warsaw Pact cities meeting the same fate as Vienna in the early stages of a war.
    Austria's neutrality, established after the Second World War, was not even considered, it being assumed that Nato would violate her territory at the first opportunity.
    The target list is contained in a joint Soviet-Hungarian planning document. In one scenario the Warsaw Pact looses off 7.5 megatons of nuclear weapons on Western targets.
    Vienna is completely destroyed by two 500 kiloton bombs, while Munich is destroyed by one. The Italian cities of Verona and Vicenza follow, together with a host of military targets including airfields and military formations.
    Soviet agents acting in Western Europe were integral to the planning, it being expected that the Warsaw Pact would receive timely warning of Nato formations being placed on alert or deployed for war.
    Plans for full-scale nuclear war in Europe remained in force for the rest of the Cold War.
    Western governments have been as reluctant as their counterparts in the former Soviet Union to go into too much detail about the numbers and names of potential nuclear targets.
    An Air Ministry document recently released at the Public Record Office in London was censored to remove the number of Soviet cities the British nuclear deterrent would have to be able to destroy to remain credible.
    However, the figure, suggested by the British Nuclear Deterrent Study Group, is later revealed in the document as 40.
     
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/austria/1364037/Vienna-was-top-of-Soviet-nuclear-targets-list.html

    Replies: @Beckow

  230. @Mikel
    @German_reader


    The stated reasons for those policies don’t make any sense either.
     
    None whatsoever. As far as I know, nobody in Europe pretends that the people crossing the Mediterranean are not primarily economic migrants but the millions that the US is letting in from Latin America and other places are admitted as "asylum seekers". The idea that all of a sudden so many millions need to flee their countries for political reasons and the only solution for the US is to let them in and supposedly spend tens of millions of man-hours at some point in the future examining the merits of each of their applications is so ridiculous that it's hard to understand how people are accepting it so meekly. It's just obvious that someone wants to radically change the demographics of the US.

    As I've mentioned in the past, I happen to know some of these asylum seekers. I hire them sometimes. I won't deny that they're cheaper so that's probably one of the reasons for the invasion. Some people clearly benefit from their presence, including myself at times. But the long term effects are not difficult to imagine. The other day I had a run-in with a Venezuelan truck driver that Home Depot sent me. A very unpleasant guy with a tremendous attitude. We ended up cursing at each other in Spanish (the only language he spoke). I know a family of asylum seekers who have been here for some 8 years but haven't bothered learning English. What for? Everything can be done in Spanish in Utah these days, including getting the husband's professional license. I have no idea if anyone has ever examined their asylum claim but it doesn't matter, they're not going anywhere. They've already had two children that were born in the US and are thus American citizens. It's interesting how nobody mentions deportations of the illegal population anymore. In 2016 it was at least conceivable in theory though obviously nobody was going to expel 11-30 million people anywhere. Now it's a pipe dream.

    Replies: @German_reader, @QCIC, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    The migrant repatriation project is easy. After all, it’s the human thing to do and if we all work together imagine what can be accomplished!

    Take 500 unused airliners*, 1 round trip per day (fly home empty, saves fuel), average 100 people each. 50,000 repatriated migrants per day!

    Three years is over 1000 days, so in that time 50,000,000 people (fifty million!) can be joyfully returned to their childhood homes from which they were brutally dragged by the White man’s capitalism!

    Easy peasy!

    *Use 25 airports on either end of the trip home, 20 flights per day. The social cost savings would pay for the transport in real time, no amortization required. People who are currently dealing with the unhealthy immigration problem would have to take up many of the jobs performed by migrants. A lot of those jobs are make work so there is no problem.

    The overseas repatriation project is about the same. With modern air travel there is no reason these oppressed people have to put up with the dreaded Anglo-Americans. Boeing made the world a more compassionate place.

    These heartfelt activities might disrupt some sections of the economy so a case could be made to extend the program over a longer time. On the other hand, sometimes jumping into the cold water head first is best, so maybe knock out both programs in two years. The planes, crews and fuel all exist. Hmmm.

    Think of the healing!

    Next problem?

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @QCIC

    Three easy steps to largely fix America's problems with new migrants:

    -1- Offshore asylum centers (e.g. Trump's "Stay in Mexico" approach)
    -2- End "birth right" citizenship, which is NOT in the Constitution
    -3- Change court processing to enable rapid deportation of illegal entrants

    "Sanctuary Cities" are being flooded with migrants they cannot afford, which is collapsing support for open borders. All three of these steps are possible in Trump's 2nd term.

    PEACE 😇


  231. [MORE]

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    That man is a lying sack of camel poop.

    Ronald Reagan was not an accident. He worked in politics for years before he ran for governor of California. These other characters like Arnold and Donald the Fat are ridiculous.

    Now would one of our lexic lunguic pedants write us a paragraph on the arcane particulars of the -ald / -old phoneme? Please make yourself useful. : )

  232. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    Sure, that war wasn't worth it for the Austrian side (or for anyone) even though Austria was justified in invading Serbia. Who was at fault? Russia, for defending the Serbian regime and thereby turning what should have been a limited war into a world war.

    Defending Serbia was not only immoral and evil, but far more costly for Russia than was Austria punishing Serbia for Austria.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @silviosilver

    Defending Serbia was not only immoral and evil,

    From your own, rather eccentric, catholic supremacist point of view perhaps. From the point of view of, roughly, the entire field of international relations, it’s simply understood, amorally , that Russia had an interest in preventing further Austrian expansion into the balkans. “Defending Serbia” was simply a necessary pretence; citing it serves more to muddy the waters than to illuminate anything. (Wail about “regicide” all you like, it’s not an issue I or, in this day and age, anyone else has much interest in in.)

    but far more costly for Russia than was Austria punishing Serbia for Austria.

    For the Russian people, certainly. For the respective regimes, it was equally ruinous. In terms of territorial losses, the “Russians” fared far better.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @silviosilver


    From your own, rather eccentric, catholic supremacist point of view perhaps. From the point of view of, roughly, the entire field of international relations, it’s simply understood, amorally , that Russia had an interest in preventing further Austrian expansion into the balkans. “Defending Serbia” was simply a necessary pretence; citing it serves more to muddy the waters than to illuminate anything. (Wail about “regicide” all you like, it’s not an issue I or, in this day and age, anyone else has much interest in in.)
     
    Actually, I don't think that Serbia or even Constantinople were particularly vital interests for Russia. But I suppose that if Russia did consider Constantinople to be a vital interest, then having a friendly ally in the Balkans would certainly improve Russia's position there. Russia already burned its bridges with Bulgaria in 1913 when it refused to support Bulgaria in the Second Balkan War, after all. Serbia was, other than tiny Montenegro, Russia's only remaining ally in the Balkans in 1914.

    I do think that Austria-Hungary behaved in 1914 much in the same way that Russia behaved in 2022. In other words, seeking to have a friendly regime in its sphere of influence rather than a hostile or potentially hostile regime.

    For the Russian people, certainly. For the respective regimes, it was equally ruinous. In terms of territorial losses, the “Russians” fared far better.
     
    The Hapsburgs did not get murdered like the Romanovs did.
    , @Beckow
    @silviosilver


    Wail about "regicide"...
     
    Sure, Franz Ferdinand was special. But it was a "princide", he was still in waiting. I am more bothered by the poor Chotek woman who was shot with Franz - the impoverished Czech country girl with some blue blood, but not enough, does the deed and marries the ugly, elderly Habsburg and then gets shot.

    Chotek was only a "morganatic" spouse. I am not sure what it means, AP would know, something like a half-marriage tolerated by the elderly a..hole widower on the throne.

    Habsburg Empire by 1900 was done, probably already by 1870 after losing to Italy and Prussia. They were living out their lives waiting for the inevitable end. Russia became the bugaboo - as it always does for half-dead empires - so the Habs had to attack in the Balkans. It made no sense, they already had over 50% Slavic population, but they thought that by getting more it may get better. The stupidity of the elderly has-beens.

    Who put the fork in the Habsburgs were the Czechs, for once in their cowardly history they did something. They stubbornly demanded equal rights and even started to teach Russian in few schools - the horror! It was probably early meddling by Putin. Given the demographics, Habsburgs had no moves left. So they attacked Serbia. Brilliant...but zugzwang is a zugzwang.

    Without the existence of Russia, its size and power, there would today be no Czechia or Slovakia, almost no Balkan Slavs left, definitely the Bulgars would be gone, Poland would be a small dual-language dependency feuding with crazy Galicians. And the Ukies? gone, the lands would be taken by better people from the West and Ukies would even like it.

    The very existence of these cursed nations depends on their stubborn dislike of "Russians" and also existential dependency on Russia's existence. Maybe it should end.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @AP
    @silviosilver


    From your own, rather eccentric, catholic supremacist point of view perhaps.
     
    It was bad regardless.

    A branch of the Serbian state armed, trained and sent a terrorist to murder the heir to the throne (who also killed his wife).

    Imagine if a country did that to the president-elect of any modern country. It's an act of war. Austria's response to what Serbia did was completely justified.

    From the point of view of, roughly, the entire field of international relations, it’s simply understood, amorally , that Russia had an interest in preventing further Austrian expansion into the balkans
     
    Perhaps so, but this meant a direct war with two superpowers and given the alliance system French involvement also. So Russia's action meant automatic pan-European war. Not justified.

    but far more costly for Russia than was Austria punishing Serbia for Austria.

    For the Russian people, certainly. For the respective regimes, it was equally ruinous. In terms of territorial losses, the “Russians” fared far better.
     
    Correct on the first two points (though the Hapsburgs themselves fared much, much better than did the Romanovs who were brutally murdered in some cellar).

    The third is more complicated - both countries ended up splitting up along ethnic lines, but the German part of Austria simply happened to be tiny compared to the Russian portion of the Russian Empire. I suppose the loss of south Tyrolese and the Sudeten Germans to the ethnic Austrian state may have relatively been greater than the loss of Russians in Kazakhstan, Baltics and Ukraine (even with Crimea and Donbas back) to the post-Soviet Russian state but I wouldn't describe it as a much greater advantage.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @silviosilver

  233. God in the Heaven, Russia on the Earth!

    [MORE]

    Early rose the maiden of Kosovo,
    Early rose she on a Sunday morning,
    Rose before the brilliant sun had risen.
    She has rolled the white sleeves of her robe back,
    Rolled them back up to her soft white elbows;
    On her shoulders, fair white bread she carries,
    In her hands two shining golden goblets,
    In one goblet she has poured fresh water,
    And has poured good red wine in the other.
    Then she seeks the wide plain of Kosovo,
    Seeks the noble Prince’s place of meeting,
    Wanders there amongst the bleeding heroes.
    When she finds one living midst the wounded
    Then she laves him with the cooling water,
    Gives him, sacramentally, the red wine,
    Pledges with her fair white bread the hero.

    Fate at last has led her wand’ring footsteps
    Unto Pavle Orlovic, the hero,
    Who has borne the Prince’s battle-standard.
    From his gaping wounds the blood is streaming,
    His right hand and his left foot are severed;
    And the hero’s ribs are crushed and broken,
    But he lingers still amongst the living.
    From the pools of blood she drags his body
    And she laves him with the cooling water,
    Red wine, sacramentally, she gives him,
    Pledges then with fair white bread the hero.
    When at length his heart revives within him,
    Thus speaks Pavle Orlovic, the hero:
    “Oh dear sister, Maiden of Kosovo,
    What great need compels thee here to wander,
    Thou, so young, amongst the wounded heroes?
    What dost thou upon the field of battle?
    Dost thou seek a brother’s son, or brother,
    Dost thou seek perchance an aged father?”
    Answered him the Maiden of Kosovo:
    “Oh dear brother ! Oh thou unknown warrior!
    None of my own race am I now seeking,
    Not a brother’s son nor yet a brother,
    Neither do I seek an aged father.
    Wast thou present, oh thou unknown warrior,
    When for three whole weeks to all his army
    Prince Lazar the Sacrament was giving
    By the hands of thirty holy fathers,
    In the splendid church of Samodreza;
    When Lazar and all the Serbian army
    There the Holy Sacrament have taken,
    Three Voyvodas last of all did enter:
    First of them was Milos, the great warrior,
    Ivan Kosancic was close behind him,
    And the third, Toplica Milan, followed.

    “I by chance stood then within the doorway
    When there passed young Milos, the great warrior,
    In the whole world no more splendid hero;
    On the ground his clanking saber trailing,
    Silken cap with proudly waving feathers,
    Many-colored mantle on his shoulders
    And around his neck a silken kerchief.
    Then he gazes round and looks upon me,
    He takes off his many-colored mantle,
    Takes it off, and gives it to me, saying:”
    “Here, oh Maiden, is my colored mantle,
    By it thou wilt keep me in remembrance,
    By this mantle shall my name live with thee.
    Now, dear Maid, must I go forth to perish
    There where camps the noble Prince’s army;
    Pray to God for me, dear Maid, my sister,
    That I may come back again in safety.
    And that all good fortune may attend thee
    I will marry thee to my friend Milan,
    Him whom God has given me as brother,
    My friend Milan who is my sworn brother.
    In God’s name and good Saint John’s,
    I promise I will be a groomsman at thy wedding.”

    “Ivan Kosancic was close behind him,
    In the whole world no more splendid hero;
    On the ground his clanking saber trailing,
    Silken cap with proudly waving feathers,
    Many-colored mantle on his shoulders
    And around his neck a silken kerchief,
    On his hand a golden ring is shining.
    Then he gazes round and looks upon me,
    Takes the golden ring from off his finger,
    Takes it off and gives it to me, saying:”
    “Here hast thou my ring of gold, oh Maiden,
    By it thou wilt have me in remembrance,
    By this gold ring shall my name live with thee.
    Now, dear maid, must I go forth to perish
    There where camps the noble Prince’s army;
    Pray to God for me, dear Maid, my sister,
    That I may come back again in safety.
    And that all good fortune may attend thee
    I will marry thee to my friend Milan,
    Him whom God has given me as brother,
    My friend Milan who is my sworn brother.
    In God’s name and good Saint John’s, I promise
    I myself will give thee to the bridegroom.”

    “Then Toplica Milan follows after,
    In the whole world no more splendid hero;
    On the ground his clanking saber trailing,
    Silken cap with proudly waving feathers,
    Many-colored mantle on his shoulders
    And around his neck a silken kerchief,
    On his hand a golden ring is shining
    And upon his arm a golden bracelet.
    Then he gazes round and looks upon me,
    From his arm he takes the golden bracelet,
    Takes it off and gives it to me, saying:”
    “Here, oh Maiden, is my golden bracelet,
    By it thou wilt have me in remembrance.
    Now, dear Maid, must I go forth to perish
    There where camps our noble Prince’s army;
    Pray to God for me, dear soul, my darling,
    That I may come back again in safety;
    Then, dear Maid, that good luck may attend thee,
    I will take thee for my true beloved.”

    “And then went away these mighty leaders,
    And to-day I seek them here, oh brother,
    Seek them here, upon the field of battle !

    Pavle Orlovic then makes her answer
    “Oh dear sister, Maiden of Kosovo,
    Dost thou see, dear soul, those battle-lances
    Where they lie most thickly piled together
    There has flowed the life-blood of the heroes;
    To the stirrups of the faithful horses,
    To the stirrups and the girths it mounted,
    Mounted to the heroes silken girdles,
    And the three have fallen there together.
    Now return thee to thy fair white castle
    Lest thy skirts and sleeves with blood be spattered.”
    To the hero’s words the maiden listens,
    Down her white face are the fast tears falling;
    She returns then to her fair white castle.
    From her white throat pour her lamentations:
    “Woe is me, what fate I bear within me,
    I but touch the young and tender sapling
    And the fair green pine must surely wither.”

  234. @silviosilver
    @AP


    Defending Serbia was not only immoral and evil,
     
    From your own, rather eccentric, catholic supremacist point of view perhaps. From the point of view of, roughly, the entire field of international relations, it's simply understood, amorally , that Russia had an interest in preventing further Austrian expansion into the balkans. "Defending Serbia" was simply a necessary pretence; citing it serves more to muddy the waters than to illuminate anything. (Wail about "regicide" all you like, it's not an issue I or, in this day and age, anyone else has much interest in in.)

    but far more costly for Russia than was Austria punishing Serbia for Austria.
     
    For the Russian people, certainly. For the respective regimes, it was equally ruinous. In terms of territorial losses, the "Russians" fared far better.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @AP

    From your own, rather eccentric, catholic supremacist point of view perhaps. From the point of view of, roughly, the entire field of international relations, it’s simply understood, amorally , that Russia had an interest in preventing further Austrian expansion into the balkans. “Defending Serbia” was simply a necessary pretence; citing it serves more to muddy the waters than to illuminate anything. (Wail about “regicide” all you like, it’s not an issue I or, in this day and age, anyone else has much interest in in.)

    Actually, I don’t think that Serbia or even Constantinople were particularly vital interests for Russia. But I suppose that if Russia did consider Constantinople to be a vital interest, then having a friendly ally in the Balkans would certainly improve Russia’s position there. Russia already burned its bridges with Bulgaria in 1913 when it refused to support Bulgaria in the Second Balkan War, after all. Serbia was, other than tiny Montenegro, Russia’s only remaining ally in the Balkans in 1914.

    I do think that Austria-Hungary behaved in 1914 much in the same way that Russia behaved in 2022. In other words, seeking to have a friendly regime in its sphere of influence rather than a hostile or potentially hostile regime.

    For the Russian people, certainly. For the respective regimes, it was equally ruinous. In terms of territorial losses, the “Russians” fared far better.

    The Hapsburgs did not get murdered like the Romanovs did.

  235. @Beckow
    @sudden death


    ....neutral non-NATO Austria was the nuclear target
     
    No, it wasn't, nobody was going to nuke Vienna. What you are talking about was in the case Nato used the Austrian territory to attack the Soviets and there was fighting in Austria. That was possible, Austria sits in the center of Europe. Helsinki in Nato is completely different, they are literally now the front-line - and they were not involved before if Finns would stay out. In any case, it it happens, it won't matter that much, we are all f...d...

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @sudden death

    TBF, Russia would have a harder time against NATO in the Baltic area if it was forced to attack on two fronts: Both the Finnish front and the Baltic States front. Russia would have to split its forces in such a scenario. I also wonder if Russia would try mining the Baltic Sea in such a scenario since NATO should have naval superiority in the Baltic Sea.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...forced to attack on two fronts: Both the Finnish front and the Baltic States front. Russia would have to split its forces in such a scenario.
     
    In an open Nato-Russia war it would go nuclear very quickly - the ruminations about fronts and mined sea lines would be irrelevant.

    What matters is the distance to each target. Helsinki being very close would be taken out in the first wave with St.Petersburg, Warsaw, Berlin...maybe that's actually a good thing for them...:)

    The difference is that Helsinki in 2021 had a 50-50 chance of being spared - if they stayed out. Also Vienna, Stockholm, Zurich, Dublin...the Finns moved themselves up front, eager beavers that they are. Or is it lemmings? I get them confused.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  236. @Mikel
    @John Johnson

    Yes, Putin is a very bad guy who has nevertheless not had the courage to annex South Ossetia, Abkhazia or Transistria, 3 small enclaves full of Russians. In all likelihood, what he was planning to link up to was Transinstria, not Moldova, as you keep repeating with no more evidence than an arrow on a map. But he also failed at that.

    Will you now explain where exactly it was "suggested" that a Russian dictator would snap up neighboring countries like Finland for no reason or are you ashamed of letting us know what kind of models our money is spent on? Perhaps if our generals and politicians hadn't believed those models so much they could have spared us this stupid war.

    Replies: @JL

    South Ossetia and Abkhazia aren’t “full of Russians” and the latter is very determined to maintain its independence both from Georgia and Russia.

    • Agree: sudden death
  237. @silviosilver
    @AP


    Defending Serbia was not only immoral and evil,
     
    From your own, rather eccentric, catholic supremacist point of view perhaps. From the point of view of, roughly, the entire field of international relations, it's simply understood, amorally , that Russia had an interest in preventing further Austrian expansion into the balkans. "Defending Serbia" was simply a necessary pretence; citing it serves more to muddy the waters than to illuminate anything. (Wail about "regicide" all you like, it's not an issue I or, in this day and age, anyone else has much interest in in.)

    but far more costly for Russia than was Austria punishing Serbia for Austria.
     
    For the Russian people, certainly. For the respective regimes, it was equally ruinous. In terms of territorial losses, the "Russians" fared far better.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @AP

    Wail about “regicide”…

    Sure, Franz Ferdinand was special. But it was a “princide“, he was still in waiting. I am more bothered by the poor Chotek woman who was shot with Franz – the impoverished Czech country girl with some blue blood, but not enough, does the deed and marries the ugly, elderly Habsburg and then gets shot.

    Chotek was only a “morganatic” spouse. I am not sure what it means, AP would know, something like a half-marriage tolerated by the elderly a..hole widower on the throne.

    Habsburg Empire by 1900 was done, probably already by 1870 after losing to Italy and Prussia. They were living out their lives waiting for the inevitable end. Russia became the bugaboo – as it always does for half-dead empires – so the Habs had to attack in the Balkans. It made no sense, they already had over 50% Slavic population, but they thought that by getting more it may get better. The stupidity of the elderly has-beens.

    Who put the fork in the Habsburgs were the Czechs, for once in their cowardly history they did something. They stubbornly demanded equal rights and even started to teach Russian in few schools – the horror! It was probably early meddling by Putin. Given the demographics, Habsburgs had no moves left. So they attacked Serbia. Brilliant…but zugzwang is a zugzwang.

    Without the existence of Russia, its size and power, there would today be no Czechia or Slovakia, almost no Balkan Slavs left, definitely the Bulgars would be gone, Poland would be a small dual-language dependency feuding with crazy Galicians. And the Ukies? gone, the lands would be taken by better people from the West and Ukies would even like it.

    The very existence of these cursed nations depends on their stubborn dislike of “Russians” and also existential dependency on Russia’s existence. Maybe it should end.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Beckow


    Sure, Franz Ferdinand was special.
     
    As AP sees it (I think), Serbs were already stained with hereditary guilt for killing their own king in 1903. (Eg, it's something I allegedly carry. A unique take, for sure). That's why it wasn't merely inadvisable but actively evil to rush to Serbia's aid.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow

    Did you not notice the old Hapsburg states were voting with US and Israel at the UN last week? If that was merely a coincidence it was a ghostly coincidence. Maybe they think they don't count and they were doing it for a Halloween funny?

    Replies: @Beckow

  238. @AP
    @German_reader


    I’m surprised it plays such a prominent role with Latin Americans in the US. Apart maybe from Venezuela and Cuba I can’t even think of any possible grounds for claiming asylum
     
    They claim asylum from gang warfare - that is, they say that because they or their brother refused to pay extortion money to a gang in Guatemala or Mexico or wherever, they are at risk because the gang will kill the whole family.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Mr. XYZ

    You know, I’m surprised that Latin American countries, other than perhaps Bukele’s El Salvador right now, are so dysfunctional (in terms of gangs, crime, and their extreme murder rates) in spite of some of them being fairly prosperous by Third World standards and in spite of Latinos doing relatively well in the US (probably a lifestyle comparable to Europeans in Europe). Is living next to a lot of mostly Germanic white Europeans in the US that massively beneficial for Latinos, in terms of them having much better rule of law, a better social safety net (other than perhaps for illegals), et cetera?

  239. I made a case above about why Moshiach and Gog/Magog will be coming shortly, but I wanted to use this space to deal with two other pieces of evidence that I had mentioned before but not explained well (because I myself didn’t understand them, I just thought they sounded legit). Some of this will be rehashed from earlier posts but I’m hoping to explain it better this time:

    Exhibit A: Ecclesiastes
    1. 28 epics in Ecclesiastes
    2. 6000/28 = ~214. 214 years of history correspond to each epic
    a. “A time to build” corresponds to the year of the Tower of Babel
    b. “A time to laugh” corresponds to the year Isaac was born (Sarah had laughed that she could have a child at age 99)
    c. “A time to hate” begins at the end of the Renaissance and ends in 1809-1812, the era of the mega pogroms in Eastern Europe which would end the Jewish golden age in Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Belarus and Ukraine (this one is admittedly a bit of a stretch, but a dating in that range does work)
    d. “A time for war” corresponds to Napoleons invasion of Russia with 600,000 troops. 600,000 Jews left Egypt, 600,000 letters in the written Torah. The name “Israel” can be read as an acronym for “Yesh Shishim Ribo Otiot LaTorah” (“There are 6000 letters in the Torah”). It is also said that there were 600,000 initial intepretations of the Torah, because 600,000 people received it and every one had their own unique interpretation.
    i. During this era mankind witnessed the most destructive wars and genocides in its history
    e. “A time for peace” begins in what would be 2027 CE on the goyish calendar

    Exhibit B: Biblical Dating
    1. In the Book of Daniel, it is said that the Redemption will come 2300 years after. The question has always been, “after what?”
    2. Due to the precise Hebrew wording used, particularly the use of the word “erav” in 2 separate relevant places in the Tanach, we have reason to believe that the starting point for the 2300 year clock would be the year when prophecy was closed to the Jewish people. This would be the year 3484 on the Jewish calendar, or 273 BCE on the goyish calendar
    3. 273 BCE + 2300 years = 2027 CE

    Exhibit C: Other Dating
    1. The Zohar says that the Redemption comes 214 (there’s that number again!) years before the year 6000 on the Jewish calendar. This means that we would expect the Redemption to come on the goyish year of… 2027
    2. Moshiach is supposed to arrive on the Tisha B’Av after a Shmita year. The next Tisha B’Av is August 2024.
    3. The book of Daniel says that the Redemption will come 3.5 years after Moshiach’s arrival, so that would be 2027 if Moshiach appeared in 2024.

    *it does need to be noted that the Zohar also suggests at another place that 2030 CE may be the year of Redemption, not 2027 CE.

    I really don’t expect anyone to agree with me that there is going to be an apocalyptic nuclear exchange between Russia/China and the US, with Israel caught in the middle, in the year 2027, after which the Jewish people will be redeemed. I’ll be the first to admit that it sounds pretty out there. And at the end of the day, I’m just another reclusive, mentally unbalanced weirdo on the internet, so there is no particular reason to pay attention to any of my predictions regardless.

    But I’m not just pulling this stuff out of my ass, either. Everything I’ve talked about comes from scholars who have researched these matters extensively. All I have done in my posts is compile the various predictions from different sources and made note of how much the predictions seem to match up with current events.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Greasy William


    I’m not just pulling this stuff out of my ass
     
    But apparently you're choosing to listen to people who are.

    For example, there are no 28 epics in the Ecclesiastes. It's a rather short book at 12 chapters. And why would you divide 6000 by 28 anyway? It may give you the years of history corresponding to each (non-existent) epic as much as it may give you the number of ravens flying in the sky when the author started the book. But perhaps there's no better example of pulling stuff out of one's ass than the association you make between the "time to" passages of the famous verses and precise historical dates.

    Ecclesiastes looks very straight-forward and literal for an OT book. It has an easy to follow line, with basically nothing in the form of allegoric or prophetic value, which was quite clearly not the intent of the author. What you are presenting is an obvious case of people trying to find occult meaning so hard in a text that they totally forget what the text actually says and distort its contents beyond recognition.

    Forget those prophecies. You're being had.
    , @Barbarossa
    @Greasy William

    I know the Jews are extremely into numerology and have been for a very long time. I'm curious how many failed expected prophecies dates have been projected by Jewish scholars over the past couple thousand years.

    I'm curious of the batting average compared to Christian projections, since as far as I can tell the world hasn't ended yet despite many confident predictions.

    What religions need are baseball card formatted information allowing one to quickly check the track record on this sort of stuff!

    Replies: @Greasy William

  240. @Dmitry
    @Mikel


    I don’t remember that. Are you not confusing Ukraine
     
    I guess I misremember, you were talking about the Mormon soldier from Idaho, not a Utah Mormon.
    https://www.deseret.com/2022/10/14/23404548/latter-day-saint-fighting-ukraine-dies-dane-partridge-russia-war-rexburg-idaho

    Mormons are putting up US-Israel flags on their front yards, which is more than they did about Ukraine. I can’t say for sure but I know them and it’s quite likely a local ward initiative. I wouldn’t be surprised if the guidelines come from higher up too.
     
    It seems some Mormons are Zionists.
    https://jewishjournal.com/judaism/132436/why-mormons-cant-be-anti-zionists/

    Also had Mormons by far the highest positive views towards the American Jews from any of the religions (although not the other direction), which they probably associate to Israel or view as a proxy.

    https://i.imgur.com/cCY2Gdo.jpg

    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2023/03/15/americans-feel-more-positive-than-negative-about-jews-mainline-protestants-catholics/


    -

    But also Mormons' culture is patriotic in the Reagan sense of "pro-Western", which would support Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I sit and work next to a 24 year old Mormon “kid” in the office. In his first year of production, he’s breaking all sort of sales records at our successful Advisory firm. Sure, it helps that his father has long been a successful Advisor that he can lean on for advice and encouragement, but from my vantage point, his success is greatly derived from smarts and hard work. He’s already spent two years over in Japan on missionary work, and knows the language and culture quite well. A tall, good looking guy too (he looks a lot like a young Charlton Heston), he’s been able to attract an equally good looking spouse, and together they already have 3 kids! My impression of a few of the other Mormons in the office is equally positive. My relations with Mormons in Arizona has been quite positive. I used to report to one at another firm that I worked at. A super smart guy who treated me very fairly. They’re good, hard working people – America could do much worse.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    You should give him a copy of Bronze Age Pervert's new book. They have to be all over the place online. It took me like six clicks to find one with libgen.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @John Johnson
    @Mr. Hack

    he’s been able to attract an equally good looking spouse, and together they already have 3 kids! My impression of a few of the other Mormons in the office is equally positive. My relations with Mormons in Arizona has been quite positive.

    I once had the exact same outlook. That could have been my post at one time.

    I had heard of the "no Mormons when doing business" rule and thought it was based on ignorance or Christian prejudice. I even had a Mormon friend growing up and thought I knew them well.

    Trying doing business with them outside of an office where trust is required on their end. Especially a scenario where their image is not at stake and you are depending on basic morals in business.

    That friendly smile is just a veneer. They expect to rule over us in the afterlife and as such are dealing with future slaves. The White man's expectations in business affairs mean absolutely nothing to them. If you are not in the club then you are a future space slave. That's not an exaggeration. They get planets where we become slaves for not believing that Joseph Smith talked to an angel in the woods. They continue to breed with hundreds of wives while we slave away for their existence.

    I was warned about doing business with them and had to touch the stove for myself. It's hot and I didn't listen. Fortunately I was able to leave before taking a loss. I saw exactly what I was warned about by the more experienced. No morals when they can get away with it and they hire incompetent Mormons whenever possible. Any problems with incompetent Mormons are blamed on future slaves.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Dmitry
    @Mr. Hack

    They should build a Maglev between San Jose and Salt Lake.

    It's around 1000 kilometers, or 2 hours on Maglev. It would be possible to commute from Salt Lake to Silicon Valley. Investors could travel between and it will create a kind of Silicon Valley extension to Utah.

    For Mormons with families, they would just eat late when they arrive to their Salt Lake a couple hours later than the local workers, not much sacrifice exactly.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  241. @Beckow
    @sudden death


    ....neutral non-NATO Austria was the nuclear target
     
    No, it wasn't, nobody was going to nuke Vienna. What you are talking about was in the case Nato used the Austrian territory to attack the Soviets and there was fighting in Austria. That was possible, Austria sits in the center of Europe. Helsinki in Nato is completely different, they are literally now the front-line - and they were not involved before if Finns would stay out. In any case, it it happens, it won't matter that much, we are all f...d...

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @sudden death

    nobody was going to nuke Vienna

    Desperate lies, as usual;)

    VIENNA would have been one of the first victims of a Soviet nuclear strike on Western Europe despite its neutral status, according to documents detailing the cities to be attacked during a third world war.
    The Austrian capital was joined by Munich and Verona in the list of population centres earmarked for destruction by Warsaw Pact planners preparing for war in 1965.
    The documents, unearthed in Hungarian archives by a team of Swiss researchers, give an insight into the attitudes of the Soviet high command.
    Officers conducting a high-level command exercise did not clarify whether the use of Soviet nuclear weapons had been preceded by a Nato strike, raising the suspicion that the Russians were not impressed by the concept of nuclear deterrence.
    The planners assumed that Nato would be equally ruthless, with Budapest and other Warsaw Pact cities meeting the same fate as Vienna in the early stages of a war.
    Austria’s neutrality, established after the Second World War, was not even considered, it being assumed that Nato would violate her territory at the first opportunity.
    The target list is contained in a joint Soviet-Hungarian planning document. In one scenario the Warsaw Pact looses off 7.5 megatons of nuclear weapons on Western targets.
    Vienna is completely destroyed by two 500 kiloton bombs, while Munich is destroyed by one. The Italian cities of Verona and Vicenza follow, together with a host of military targets including airfields and military formations.
    Soviet agents acting in Western Europe were integral to the planning, it being expected that the Warsaw Pact would receive timely warning of Nato formations being placed on alert or deployed for war.
    Plans for full-scale nuclear war in Europe remained in force for the rest of the Cold War.
    Western governments have been as reluctant as their counterparts in the former Soviet Union to go into too much detail about the numbers and names of potential nuclear targets.
    An Air Ministry document recently released at the Public Record Office in London was censored to remove the number of Soviet cities the British nuclear deterrent would have to be able to destroy to remain credible.
    However, the figure, suggested by the British Nuclear Deterrent Study Group, is later revealed in the document as 40.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/austria/1364037/Vienna-was-top-of-Soviet-nuclear-targets-list.html

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @sudden death


    ...Austria’s neutrality....assumed that Nato would violate her territory at the first opportunity.
     
    I specifically mentioned that assumption. But you being an ideologue or a moron intentionally omitted it. Why? What's the point of fighting straw-men?

    Replies: @sudden death

  242. @sudden death
    @Beckow


    nobody was going to nuke Vienna
     
    Desperate lies, as usual;)

    VIENNA would have been one of the first victims of a Soviet nuclear strike on Western Europe despite its neutral status, according to documents detailing the cities to be attacked during a third world war.
    The Austrian capital was joined by Munich and Verona in the list of population centres earmarked for destruction by Warsaw Pact planners preparing for war in 1965.
    The documents, unearthed in Hungarian archives by a team of Swiss researchers, give an insight into the attitudes of the Soviet high command.
    Officers conducting a high-level command exercise did not clarify whether the use of Soviet nuclear weapons had been preceded by a Nato strike, raising the suspicion that the Russians were not impressed by the concept of nuclear deterrence.
    The planners assumed that Nato would be equally ruthless, with Budapest and other Warsaw Pact cities meeting the same fate as Vienna in the early stages of a war.
    Austria's neutrality, established after the Second World War, was not even considered, it being assumed that Nato would violate her territory at the first opportunity.
    The target list is contained in a joint Soviet-Hungarian planning document. In one scenario the Warsaw Pact looses off 7.5 megatons of nuclear weapons on Western targets.
    Vienna is completely destroyed by two 500 kiloton bombs, while Munich is destroyed by one. The Italian cities of Verona and Vicenza follow, together with a host of military targets including airfields and military formations.
    Soviet agents acting in Western Europe were integral to the planning, it being expected that the Warsaw Pact would receive timely warning of Nato formations being placed on alert or deployed for war.
    Plans for full-scale nuclear war in Europe remained in force for the rest of the Cold War.
    Western governments have been as reluctant as their counterparts in the former Soviet Union to go into too much detail about the numbers and names of potential nuclear targets.
    An Air Ministry document recently released at the Public Record Office in London was censored to remove the number of Soviet cities the British nuclear deterrent would have to be able to destroy to remain credible.
    However, the figure, suggested by the British Nuclear Deterrent Study Group, is later revealed in the document as 40.
     
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/austria/1364037/Vienna-was-top-of-Soviet-nuclear-targets-list.html

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Austria’s neutrality….assumed that Nato would violate her territory at the first opportunity.

    I specifically mentioned that assumption. But you being an ideologue or a moron intentionally omitted it. Why? What’s the point of fighting straw-men?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Beckow

    Unfortunately atm was not able to find the original mentioned Soviet document from 1965 on the net, so journo written interpretation indeed leaves you some opportunity to weasel out, but hopefully sometime later will be able to locate the primary text in order to return to this;)

    Replies: @Beckow

  243. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    TBF, Russia would have a harder time against NATO in the Baltic area if it was forced to attack on two fronts: Both the Finnish front and the Baltic States front. Russia would have to split its forces in such a scenario. I also wonder if Russia would try mining the Baltic Sea in such a scenario since NATO should have naval superiority in the Baltic Sea.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …forced to attack on two fronts: Both the Finnish front and the Baltic States front. Russia would have to split its forces in such a scenario.

    In an open Nato-Russia war it would go nuclear very quickly – the ruminations about fronts and mined sea lines would be irrelevant.

    What matters is the distance to each target. Helsinki being very close would be taken out in the first wave with St.Petersburg, Warsaw, Berlin…maybe that’s actually a good thing for them…:)

    The difference is that Helsinki in 2021 had a 50-50 chance of being spared – if they stayed out. Also Vienna, Stockholm, Zurich, Dublin…the Finns moved themselves up front, eager beavers that they are. Or is it lemmings? I get them confused.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Would Russia really want to get annihilated? After all, in any NATO-Russia war, NATO would simply seek to return to the status quo ante bellum, not to conquer Russia or to overthrow the Russian regime (though it would be pleased if the Russian people or Russian military themselves did that afterwards).

    Replies: @Beckow

  244. @Beckow
    @sudden death


    ...Austria’s neutrality....assumed that Nato would violate her territory at the first opportunity.
     
    I specifically mentioned that assumption. But you being an ideologue or a moron intentionally omitted it. Why? What's the point of fighting straw-men?

    Replies: @sudden death

    Unfortunately atm was not able to find the original mentioned Soviet document from 1965 on the net, so journo written interpretation indeed leaves you some opportunity to weasel out, but hopefully sometime later will be able to locate the primary text in order to return to this;)

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @sudden death

    Well, good luck. But 1965? What is that supposed to mean? Frankly quoting some very old early Cold War contingency plans is a bit retarded. It has nothing to do with today.

  245. @QCIC
    @Mikel

    The migrant repatriation project is easy. After all, it's the human thing to do and if we all work together imagine what can be accomplished!

    Take 500 unused airliners*, 1 round trip per day (fly home empty, saves fuel), average 100 people each. 50,000 repatriated migrants per day!

    Three years is over 1000 days, so in that time 50,000,000 people (fifty million!) can be joyfully returned to their childhood homes from which they were brutally dragged by the White man's capitalism!

    Easy peasy!

    *Use 25 airports on either end of the trip home, 20 flights per day. The social cost savings would pay for the transport in real time, no amortization required. People who are currently dealing with the unhealthy immigration problem would have to take up many of the jobs performed by migrants. A lot of those jobs are make work so there is no problem.

    The overseas repatriation project is about the same. With modern air travel there is no reason these oppressed people have to put up with the dreaded Anglo-Americans. Boeing made the world a more compassionate place.

    These heartfelt activities might disrupt some sections of the economy so a case could be made to extend the program over a longer time. On the other hand, sometimes jumping into the cold water head first is best, so maybe knock out both programs in two years. The planes, crews and fuel all exist. Hmmm.

    Think of the healing!

    Next problem?

    Replies: @A123

    Three easy steps to largely fix America’s problems with new migrants:

    -1- Offshore asylum centers (e.g. Trump’s “Stay in Mexico” approach)
    -2- End “birth right” citizenship, which is NOT in the Constitution
    -3- Change court processing to enable rapid deportation of illegal entrants

    “Sanctuary Cities” are being flooded with migrants they cannot afford, which is collapsing support for open borders. All three of these steps are possible in Trump’s 2nd term.

    PEACE 😇

  246. Was Margaret Mitchell assassinated in 1949?
    ______
    I wonder if Dmitry has ever seen the series Battlestar Galactica, which was created by a Mormon, and based partly on Mormon lore.

  247. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQEtZm2I5fpCD06sAtoa3cdYku2n_VvWme0Wg&usqp.jpg

    https://twitter.com/PopBase/status/1722663805296218231

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRHBngpNbkWGcIFNjsq3wVQDiGKKg1HLhVFgQ&usqp.jpg

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    That man is a lying sack of camel poop.

    Ronald Reagan was not an accident. He worked in politics for years before he ran for governor of California. These other characters like Arnold and Donald the Fat are ridiculous.

    Now would one of our lexic lunguic pedants write us a paragraph on the arcane particulars of the -ald / -old phoneme? Please make yourself useful. : )

  248. @Beckow
    @silviosilver


    Wail about "regicide"...
     
    Sure, Franz Ferdinand was special. But it was a "princide", he was still in waiting. I am more bothered by the poor Chotek woman who was shot with Franz - the impoverished Czech country girl with some blue blood, but not enough, does the deed and marries the ugly, elderly Habsburg and then gets shot.

    Chotek was only a "morganatic" spouse. I am not sure what it means, AP would know, something like a half-marriage tolerated by the elderly a..hole widower on the throne.

    Habsburg Empire by 1900 was done, probably already by 1870 after losing to Italy and Prussia. They were living out their lives waiting for the inevitable end. Russia became the bugaboo - as it always does for half-dead empires - so the Habs had to attack in the Balkans. It made no sense, they already had over 50% Slavic population, but they thought that by getting more it may get better. The stupidity of the elderly has-beens.

    Who put the fork in the Habsburgs were the Czechs, for once in their cowardly history they did something. They stubbornly demanded equal rights and even started to teach Russian in few schools - the horror! It was probably early meddling by Putin. Given the demographics, Habsburgs had no moves left. So they attacked Serbia. Brilliant...but zugzwang is a zugzwang.

    Without the existence of Russia, its size and power, there would today be no Czechia or Slovakia, almost no Balkan Slavs left, definitely the Bulgars would be gone, Poland would be a small dual-language dependency feuding with crazy Galicians. And the Ukies? gone, the lands would be taken by better people from the West and Ukies would even like it.

    The very existence of these cursed nations depends on their stubborn dislike of "Russians" and also existential dependency on Russia's existence. Maybe it should end.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Sure, Franz Ferdinand was special.

    As AP sees it (I think), Serbs were already stained with hereditary guilt for killing their own king in 1903. (Eg, it’s something I allegedly carry. A unique take, for sure). That’s why it wasn’t merely inadvisable but actively evil to rush to Serbia’s aid.

    • Replies: @AP
    @silviosilver

    I wouldn't blame every Serb collectively for that lol - but the Serbian state, yes, was illegitimate and evil. Especially ridiculous for a monarchy to come to its aid. Romanovs were punished for that.

  249. @Beckow
    @silviosilver


    Wail about "regicide"...
     
    Sure, Franz Ferdinand was special. But it was a "princide", he was still in waiting. I am more bothered by the poor Chotek woman who was shot with Franz - the impoverished Czech country girl with some blue blood, but not enough, does the deed and marries the ugly, elderly Habsburg and then gets shot.

    Chotek was only a "morganatic" spouse. I am not sure what it means, AP would know, something like a half-marriage tolerated by the elderly a..hole widower on the throne.

    Habsburg Empire by 1900 was done, probably already by 1870 after losing to Italy and Prussia. They were living out their lives waiting for the inevitable end. Russia became the bugaboo - as it always does for half-dead empires - so the Habs had to attack in the Balkans. It made no sense, they already had over 50% Slavic population, but they thought that by getting more it may get better. The stupidity of the elderly has-beens.

    Who put the fork in the Habsburgs were the Czechs, for once in their cowardly history they did something. They stubbornly demanded equal rights and even started to teach Russian in few schools - the horror! It was probably early meddling by Putin. Given the demographics, Habsburgs had no moves left. So they attacked Serbia. Brilliant...but zugzwang is a zugzwang.

    Without the existence of Russia, its size and power, there would today be no Czechia or Slovakia, almost no Balkan Slavs left, definitely the Bulgars would be gone, Poland would be a small dual-language dependency feuding with crazy Galicians. And the Ukies? gone, the lands would be taken by better people from the West and Ukies would even like it.

    The very existence of these cursed nations depends on their stubborn dislike of "Russians" and also existential dependency on Russia's existence. Maybe it should end.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Did you not notice the old Hapsburg states were voting with US and Israel at the UN last week? If that was merely a coincidence it was a ghostly coincidence. Maybe they think they don’t count and they were doing it for a Halloween funny?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    ...the old Hapsburg states were voting with US and Israel at the UN last week
     
    The region has always had a lot of mental issues. But the votes probably reflect the relative lack of Middle Eastern migrants in those countries.
  250. @silviosilver
    @AP


    Defending Serbia was not only immoral and evil,
     
    From your own, rather eccentric, catholic supremacist point of view perhaps. From the point of view of, roughly, the entire field of international relations, it's simply understood, amorally , that Russia had an interest in preventing further Austrian expansion into the balkans. "Defending Serbia" was simply a necessary pretence; citing it serves more to muddy the waters than to illuminate anything. (Wail about "regicide" all you like, it's not an issue I or, in this day and age, anyone else has much interest in in.)

    but far more costly for Russia than was Austria punishing Serbia for Austria.
     
    For the Russian people, certainly. For the respective regimes, it was equally ruinous. In terms of territorial losses, the "Russians" fared far better.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @AP

    From your own, rather eccentric, catholic supremacist point of view perhaps.

    It was bad regardless.

    A branch of the Serbian state armed, trained and sent a terrorist to murder the heir to the throne (who also killed his wife).

    Imagine if a country did that to the president-elect of any modern country. It’s an act of war. Austria’s response to what Serbia did was completely justified.

    From the point of view of, roughly, the entire field of international relations, it’s simply understood, amorally , that Russia had an interest in preventing further Austrian expansion into the balkans

    Perhaps so, but this meant a direct war with two superpowers and given the alliance system French involvement also. So Russia’s action meant automatic pan-European war. Not justified.

    but far more costly for Russia than was Austria punishing Serbia for Austria.

    For the Russian people, certainly. For the respective regimes, it was equally ruinous. In terms of territorial losses, the “Russians” fared far better.

    Correct on the first two points (though the Hapsburgs themselves fared much, much better than did the Romanovs who were brutally murdered in some cellar).

    The third is more complicated – both countries ended up splitting up along ethnic lines, but the German part of Austria simply happened to be tiny compared to the Russian portion of the Russian Empire. I suppose the loss of south Tyrolese and the Sudeten Germans to the ethnic Austrian state may have relatively been greater than the loss of Russians in Kazakhstan, Baltics and Ukraine (even with Crimea and Donbas back) to the post-Soviet Russian state but I wouldn’t describe it as a much greater advantage.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    It was bad regardless.

    A branch of the Serbian state armed, trained and sent a terrorist to murder the heir to the throne (who also killed his wife).

    Imagine if a country did that to the president-elect of any modern country. It’s an act of war. Austria’s response to what Serbia did was completely justified.
     
    There's actually a hypothesis that the Serbian intelligence service simply wanted to scare Franz Ferdinand and his wife (and thus to scare Austria-Hungary in general) rather than to kill them, which is why they hired a bunch of amateurs for the task, many of whom were still teenagers, including Princip. Why not hire professional snipers for this task instead? Or would that have made Serbia's intelligence service even more likely to get caught?

    The source for this hypothesis is this article:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20231110225005/https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/11/12/what-everyone-gets-wrong-about-start-world-war-i/


    On June 2, Pasic resigned and a military takeover seemed imminent until the powerful Russian ambassador, backed by France, restored the prime minister to preserve his Balkan policy. The government had prevailed over its archenemy Apis, though only with foreign support and without a full-on defeat of the Black Hand. Such was the precarious state of affairs in Serbia at the same time the assassins received their weapons, on May 27.

    This backdrop raises the tantalizing question: Did Apis arm the young Bosnians not to destabilize Austria-Hungary, but to overthrow his own government? This is exactly what Apis’s associate, Maj. Vojislav Tankosic, asserted after his arrest. If true, then for the Black Hand leader at least, the Sarajevo conspiracy was about Serbian domestic politics rather than international terrorism. After all, wrote one Serb minister, Apis “did everything he could in May 1914 to overthrow the Pasic administration.” An assassination attempt on the Austro-Hungarian heir with weapons from a Serbian military arsenal might well have done the trick.

    That begs another provocative question: Did Apis actually want the conspiracy to succeed? Or rather, was he expecting the inexperienced Bosnians to fail in the hope that an assassination attempt, with its links to Serbia, would anger the Austrians enough to gain international support for Pasic’s removal?

    Tellingly, every Austro-Hungarian report on the Black Hand from November 1911 through June 1914 emphasized the group’s threat to its own government rather than to Austria-Hungary. None of the empire’s diplomatic correspondence after the assassination, including its belligerent July 23 ultimatum to Serbia, so much as mentioned the Black Hand. If the Austrians failed to connect their intelligence on the Black Hand to the plot against Franz Ferdinand, perhaps that’s because Apis’s motive in arming the Bosnians was less obvious and intentional than we presume.

    This is supported by the fact that Apis, like Pasic (whose government has never been implicated in the assassination), did not want war with Austria-Hungary in 1914. In the wake of the costly Balkan Wars, Serbia hardly needed another military conflict, let alone one with a European great power 10 times its size. This is often cited as the reason that Apis organized the assassination — fear that the heir’s visit was a foil for an attack on Serbia. But a successful conspiracy with roots in Serbia was more likely to provoke war than to prevent it, as we now know only too well. That helps to explain why, when other Black Hand members heard of the weapons handover, they forced Apis to call back the conspiracy. (By then it was too late, and the armed and ardent young Bosnians were not taking orders).

    This suggests that Apis did not expect the Sarajevo conspiracy to succeed, just as previous attempts by Bosnian youths to assassinate Austro-Hungarian leaders had all failed. Indeed, if he had wanted to kill the archduke, Apis could have deliberately recruited trained soldiers rather than recklessly arming the raw youths whom he not only had never met but also had assumed would face an insuperable security apparatus for the heir’s state visit to Sarajevo. Apis himself allegedly confided that he had wanted the Bosnians only to frighten Franz Ferdinand.

    Which means that the Sarajevo assassination was simply rotten luck. After the first of the seven assassins failed to act and the second’s bomb missed its mark, all but one “terrorist-fanatic” fled the scene: Gavrilo Princip. Standing at the corner where the cars were scheduled to turn off the main road, he faced no serious security apparatus. Incredibly, even after the bomb failed to do its job, policing was not enhanced. The imperial party merely altered its advertised route to remain on the main road. But the driver mistakenly took the turn, delivering the archduke directly into Princip’s path.
     

    Replies: @AP

    , @silviosilver
    @AP


    Imagine if a country did that to the president-elect of any modern country. It’s an act of war. Austria’s response to what Serbia did was completely justified.
     
    I'm sure you'd be every bit as outraged if it had been the heir to the Ottoman thrown they'd bumped off, lol.

    Was the assassination a big deal? It was certainly seen that way, so a fierce response was warranted. Unfortunately, the assassination did not take place in a vacuum. In the international area, there are always potentially momentous repercussions to consider. The Austrians were well aware of this and they chose to gamble, no different to the Russians. I don't see much point to trying to identify the "baddies."


    Perhaps so, but this meant a direct war with two superpowers and given the alliance system French involvement also. So Russia’s action meant automatic pan-European war. Not justified.
     
    As long as you conveniently ignore the German "blank cheque" (they could have stayed out), which did its own bit to set the wheels in motion, sure. (Again, not materially different to the Russian contribution.)

    Or the Austrians could have taken satisfaction in diplomatically humiliating Serbia instead of insisting on their pound of flesh. Or the issue could have been resolved by yet another "congress." Paths not taken...

    Personally - and venturing deep into the realms of alt history now - I'm disappointed that the Serbs never thought of (or were incapable of) finagling a deal to get themselves into Austria-Hungary. If was important for all Serbs to live in the one state, that requirement would've been taken care of, and culturally, receiving tutelage from an obvious civilizational superior would have been a huge step forward. Who knows, if the whole thing were managed competently, there may have even been time to ride out the romantic nationalist fever dream left over from the 19th century. If only...


    I wouldn’t blame every Serb collectively for that lol
     
    Oh okay. I had gotten the distinct impression that you did. Well, that takes a load off my mind - I'm feeling better already.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ

  251. @silviosilver
    @Beckow


    Sure, Franz Ferdinand was special.
     
    As AP sees it (I think), Serbs were already stained with hereditary guilt for killing their own king in 1903. (Eg, it's something I allegedly carry. A unique take, for sure). That's why it wasn't merely inadvisable but actively evil to rush to Serbia's aid.

    Replies: @AP

    I wouldn’t blame every Serb collectively for that lol – but the Serbian state, yes, was illegitimate and evil. Especially ridiculous for a monarchy to come to its aid. Romanovs were punished for that.

  252. @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    I sit and work next to a 24 year old Mormon "kid" in the office. In his first year of production, he's breaking all sort of sales records at our successful Advisory firm. Sure, it helps that his father has long been a successful Advisor that he can lean on for advice and encouragement, but from my vantage point, his success is greatly derived from smarts and hard work. He's already spent two years over in Japan on missionary work, and knows the language and culture quite well. A tall, good looking guy too (he looks a lot like a young Charlton Heston), he's been able to attract an equally good looking spouse, and together they already have 3 kids! My impression of a few of the other Mormons in the office is equally positive. My relations with Mormons in Arizona has been quite positive. I used to report to one at another firm that I worked at. A super smart guy who treated me very fairly. They're good, hard working people - America could do much worse.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson, @Dmitry

    You should give him a copy of Bronze Age Pervert’s new book. They have to be all over the place online. It took me like six clicks to find one with libgen.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I don't know, they're a pretty straight laced crowd?...

    https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/GtJyoViwrMhs5bSzfr9HgWOzj7w=/0x5:2105x2636/622x778/media/img/2023/07/26/0923_WEL_BAP3/original.jpg
    Bronze Age Pervert, a recycled Romanian who speaks in a deep Russian accent, razzle dazzles many on the far right and puts his Yale PhD to good use. He certainly puts one of AP's thesis, that low IQ Balkanoids are dullards, to the test. A lot of what he writes about is complimentary of the gay lifestyle along with his lampooning of the traditional family unit. I wonder if Karlin isn't one of his disciples?

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard

  253. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    No, because the price of Austria not punishing Serbia would not have been as steep as the price for Ukraine not defending itself in 2022.
     
    Well, you're certainly right about that. The Ukrainian people could have abandoned their property or sold it to Russians and moved to the EU, but still, losing their country would have severely sucked. (Most Israelis, for instance, I suspect would not be willing to lose their country even if they could all acquire US citizenship as compensation for this.)

    Austria went from being a second-tier world power to being a small very prosperous state with one of the world’s highest living standards, and not a lot of blood lost. The ruling family lost its throne and went into generally comfortable exile.
     
    Austria lost a lot of blood in World War II (a direct result of World War I) due to it being a part of Nazi Germany and thus Austrians being forced to fight for Nazi Germany, though. Take a look at this map:

    https://i.redd.it/bvyej003gwv11.png

    In 1950, Austria had only 81 males aged 25 to 49 for every 100 females aged 25 to 49. Germany, of course, fared even worse (77), but the ex-Russian Empire lands fared especially poorly (60-something).

    Russia’ power did not decline as much, but it lost tens of millions people to war, brutality, starvation etc. and ended up as a poor country. The ruling family lost its throne and was brutally murdered.
     
    Russia is about as wealthy as Turkey in GDP PPP per capita terms but Yeah, much poorer than Austria. Of course, its average IQ is also probably around 1/3 of a standard deviation below Austria's. I suspect that Russia's full potential would be at around France's or Italy's level, at least without large-scale Western sanctions, which of course won't get removed without a satisfactory solution to the Ukraine question. Russia did lose a significant part of its smart fraction, though: Specifically the White Russians who emigrated during and after the Russian Civil War as well as the Jews who were murdered en masse in the Holocaust and the Jewish survivors and their descendants who emigrated en masse since 1970, a process that is still ongoing even today (and which, until Israel's version of 9/11 occurred a month ago, some right-wing Israelis wanted to stop because they perceived a lot of the ex-USSR newcomers to Israel as being "insufficiently Jewish" due to them having Jewish ancestry on the wrong part of their family tree). (Stupid right-wing Israelis! Wanting to turn away and reject potential human capital, and culturally compatible and easily assimilable one at that, simply because they have a Jewish grandfather rather than a Jewish grandmother like they want them to have. It thankfully appears that Israel's version of 9/11 caused them to indefinitely postpone these plans of theirs.) Austria did lose its Jews as a result of Nazism (to both mass emigration pre-Holocaust and mass murder once the Holocaust occurred), but other than that, Austria does not appear to have lost much of its remaining human capital, at least within its current borders (as opposed to its 1914 borders).

    I did some rough mental calculations and I think that we lost around a Germany's worth of elite science production as a result of all of the demographic devastation that Russia went through during the 20th century. It would have been a France's worth of elite science production if one would have only looked at the 200 million Eastern Slavs who were deprived of existence, but there were also 10+ million Jews who were deprived of existence who would have increased the elite science production from a France's worth to a Germany's worth. (By "worth", I mean "level".)

    Replies: @AP

    First map is kind of fishy. Why is Switzerland so low? The same as Italy? Poland seems high.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Not sure about Switzerland, TBH. As for Poland, a lot of Polish citizen women (especially Jewish women) were also murdered in the Holocaust, so the sex ratio for Polish WWII losses was probably less severely tilted against men than it was in the Soviet Union or even in Germany. German women weren't killed in WWII in large numbers, after all (there weren't all that many German Jewish women relative to Polish Jewish women). And while Soviet women were killed in WWII in large numbers (or, alternatively, died from famines), the USSR lost many more men than even Germany did. (It also probably helped that Polish men did not die in combat in WWII in extremely massive numbers like German and Soviet men did. There were no millions of Polish men getting killed in combat, after all.)

    I'll try to find an answer for Switzerland, but I think that my Polish explanation above is reasonable. Poland lost a lot of women in addition to its men, so its middle-aged male-female sex ratio in 1950 was less bad than Germany's or the Soviet Union's. BTW, this might also be why Belarus's ratio is a bit better than Russia's and Ukraine's is: Belarusian women might have suffered more under Nazi occupation than both Russian and Ukrainian women did.

    This map itself is from here, specifically from Greg Cochran's blog WestHunter:

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2019/02/24/good-excuse/

  254. What do Sher Singh and AP think about the idea that the nobility were genetically more prone to violence?

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @AP
    @songbird

    Most likely true. Status was generally achieved as a result of prowess in war (especially for the older families), and traits tend to be genetic.

    However it is not mindless or destructive violence such as among certain groups.

    Nobility also have higher intelligence on average. This selects against criminality. So the combination of propensity towards violence and higher intelligence/less criminality results in historically a lot of military officers, when military officers had higher status. Nowadays, this is no longer the case, but one sees a fair number of martial arts hobbyists and such. And unexpected situations, such as a university professor, head of a department in a STEM field, also an amateur boxer in his youth, who once managed to severely beat up a group of Puerto Ricans who tried to rob him.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    "We was Kangz!"

    Sorry, but that was low hanging fruit.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @LatW
    @songbird

    This is a good video, thanks.

    Of course, poverty does not cause crime - large human populations have been poor for most of history and the majority have not been violent or criminal (on the contrary, most have been cooperative and well behaved).

    It's possible that the original, maybe even pre-chieftain level "nobility" arose from extraordinary bold individuals who could've been a type of enforcer. Some were probably lucky (for not getting killed in some sort of a retaliation).

    In the Slavic domain (and in the Baltic, as well) - there is the so called druzhina, the prince's retinue, or a group of elite knights (in the early Middle ages or during the so called viking age). The Varangians / the Varyag. These are traditions that we have the knowledge and some record of, but do we really know how groups similar to druzhina behaved in a more distant past? I'm not assuming that they were necessarily overly brutal or unjust, but they must have been a kind of a violent enforcer (which may have involved borderline theft). I'd say, "military prowess" sounds like a very cleaned up way of describing it (although not untrue).

    And interesting linguistic aspect - druzhina comes from the word drug (friend, fellow), but in Ukrainian, it can also be related to 'marriage' (e.g., wife is druzhina, odruzheniy means 'married').

    With the Norse, there is a similar connection - the name for their bodyguards was hird (could be related to German heirat). So possibly in the old times this was already connected to marriage and being connected "to the house" (as in, the House, meaning some kind of a rich and successful group or homestead). Maybe that's how noble marriages and lineages started.

    From Wiki:


    The term comes from Old Norse hirð, (meaning Herd) again from either Old English hir(e)d 'household, family, retinue, court' or perhaps the old German cognate heirat 'marriage', both of which can mean "body of men" or more directly linked to the term for hearthguard, or men of one's own home and hearth.
     
    These days a druzhina is simply a small (or not so small) voluntary militia.

    (And, yes, some criminals, even petty thieves, can be quite smart, in a special, intuitive, "non-bookish" way. Also, just because someone is a bit thuggish, doesn't mean they are dumb or completely primitive. The mafia men have to be calculating and be able to act swiftly and smartly, not to mention understand psychology well.)

    "Ay, my brave brothers,
    Test strength with strength.
    Be known for thy good deeds,
    Live with an honest heart!

    A beautiful sun shines,
    The skies are clear.
    On my native land -
    A mighty druzhina stands!"

    Ай, вы, братцы-молодцы,
    Силой мерьте силушку,
    Добрым делом
    славьтесь вы,
    Сердцем, правдою живите!

    А то солнце красное,
    А то небо ясное,
    Во Земле родимой,
    Крепкая Дружина!


    (c) Ruyan

    Replies: @songbird, @AP

  255. Among some Dravidians, the water buffalo is considered sacred. Was it on group copying another, and which?

    And how much does the idea of holy wells spring forth naturally from water’s life-giving properties, similar to cows and milk?

  256. I do wonder what percentage of the vote AfD would need to get in order to be fundamentally different from controlled opposition. (In the sense of being a safe outlet for dissent, while not having any real consequences).

    I think it would depend on the rhetoric of the other parties and whether it changes or not. (Possibly requires a higher threshold in Germany than other places.) I don’t think it has happened yet. Wagenknecht would probably be considered a straw man – at least in American politics. (That is, someone encouraged to run for no other purpose than splitting the vote.)

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird

    If they got 25-30% they could force the other parties into increasingly bizarre coalitions and show that on crucial issues they're the only opposition.
    But who knows what the establishment will try. This is the cover of tomorrow's SPIEGEL:
    https://nitter.cz/derspiegel/status/1722948517566534025#m
    "Should AfD be banned?". Real liberal democracy moment.

  257. @AP
    @LondonBob


    Relentless Russian advances around Avdeevka, despite the Ukrainian reserves rushed there. Things are beginning to come apart.
     
    Reminder that you wrote in November 2022:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-202/#comment-5673059

    So the rest of the Ukrainian electrical grid has now been taken out, surely a big Russian offensive coming shortly. The nightmare scenario has now unfolded for Europe, and the West. Plenty of chances to strike a deal, now the Russians aren’t interested, wave of refugees, economic collapse accelerating, blackouts and a decisive NATO defeat incoming

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-201/#comment-5653346

    Watching Douglas Macgregor being interviewed on Redacted he makes the additional point that Russia is marshalling its forces for the big offensive, these are elite forces which will lead any assault, so require rest and refitting beforehand.

    January of this year:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-207/#comment-5779071

    Ugledar on the menu now. Unless a large reserve is being kept and trained than maybe the locals will be wrong and it will be all over before the end of the summer.

    [Vuhledar was a major Russian defeat]

    Replies: @LondonBob

    I still think Avdeevka will take awhile, but it looks like I might be wrong, Russians will do what they will do.

    • Replies: @AP
    @LondonBob

    I don't make predictions about this, for all I know the Russians may eventually take Avdeeka after extreme cost. But you consistently make predictions and they are as wildly wrong as they are pro-Russian. As is said, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Your record is worse than that of a stopped clock, but one day you may claim something that turns out to be correct.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @LondonBob

  258. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    You should give him a copy of Bronze Age Pervert's new book. They have to be all over the place online. It took me like six clicks to find one with libgen.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I don’t know, they’re a pretty straight laced crowd?…


    Bronze Age Pervert, a recycled Romanian who speaks in a deep Russian accent, razzle dazzles many on the far right and puts his Yale PhD to good use. He certainly puts one of AP’s thesis, that low IQ Balkanoids are dullards, to the test. A lot of what he writes about is complimentary of the gay lifestyle along with his lampooning of the traditional family unit. I wonder if Karlin isn’t one of his disciples?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    Bronze Age Pervert, a recycled Romanian who speaks in a deep Russian accent, razzle dazzles many on the far right and puts his Yale PhD to good use. He certainly puts one of AP’s thesis, that low IQ Balkanoids are dullards, to the test
     
    He's Jewish.

    Plus, of course, group averages don't mean much when considering individuals.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    https://www.fluxmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Pop-Art-Web-2.jpg
    BAP depicted in a more modern background?

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    The new book is orthodox traditional family values. Not gay. It is a mild modified format of his Yale PhD thesis. Mostly Nietzsche, Plato, and Strauss with his novel interpretation. Zero Mormon sins.

    I'm only a third of the way through it but I have my review already one third composed. It's a good book. Very wrong but good.

    https://www.amazon.com/Selective-Breeding-Philosophy-Costin-Alamariu/dp/B0CJ3ZDHF6/

    If you buy it you get an NSA tally mark in your file to go with all the others.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  259. @songbird
    What do Sher Singh and AP think about the idea that the nobility were genetically more prone to violence?
    https://youtu.be/3-gyyYIamQE?si=9o5-vhuUqfmB48hQ

    Replies: @AP, @Barbarossa, @LatW

    Most likely true. Status was generally achieved as a result of prowess in war (especially for the older families), and traits tend to be genetic.

    However it is not mindless or destructive violence such as among certain groups.

    Nobility also have higher intelligence on average. This selects against criminality. So the combination of propensity towards violence and higher intelligence/less criminality results in historically a lot of military officers, when military officers had higher status. Nowadays, this is no longer the case, but one sees a fair number of martial arts hobbyists and such. And unexpected situations, such as a university professor, head of a department in a STEM field, also an amateur boxer in his youth, who once managed to severely beat up a group of Puerto Ricans who tried to rob him.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AP

    I believe the samurai are often considered to have been more hirsute than average. IIRC, Kurosawa's father (from a samurai family) was mistaken for a Korean because of his hairiness and nearly lynched, before gaining control of the crowd using his deep voice. (Maybe, related to T?)

    Some different records appear to suggest that European nobles were indeed more criminally-prone - for a time - perhaps before genetically pacifying themselves.

    This article gives more details:
    https://www.aporiamagazine.com/p/jailbirds-of-a-feather-flock-together

    I do wonder to what degree there might be selection bias, though. Presumably nobles were written about more, and maybe came naturally under more legal actions than normal folks.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  260. @Mr. Hack
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I don't know, they're a pretty straight laced crowd?...

    https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/GtJyoViwrMhs5bSzfr9HgWOzj7w=/0x5:2105x2636/622x778/media/img/2023/07/26/0923_WEL_BAP3/original.jpg
    Bronze Age Pervert, a recycled Romanian who speaks in a deep Russian accent, razzle dazzles many on the far right and puts his Yale PhD to good use. He certainly puts one of AP's thesis, that low IQ Balkanoids are dullards, to the test. A lot of what he writes about is complimentary of the gay lifestyle along with his lampooning of the traditional family unit. I wonder if Karlin isn't one of his disciples?

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Bronze Age Pervert, a recycled Romanian who speaks in a deep Russian accent, razzle dazzles many on the far right and puts his Yale PhD to good use. He certainly puts one of AP’s thesis, that low IQ Balkanoids are dullards, to the test

    He’s Jewish.

    Plus, of course, group averages don’t mean much when considering individuals.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Like Karlin, he seems to be a "hybrid". Here's a copy of his baptismal certificate that shows him to be baptised Christian:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5yyoibXgAASWRx?format=jpg&name=medium

  261. @LondonBob
    @AP

    I still think Avdeevka will take awhile, but it looks like I might be wrong, Russians will do what they will do.

    Replies: @AP

    I don’t make predictions about this, for all I know the Russians may eventually take Avdeeka after extreme cost. But you consistently make predictions and they are as wildly wrong as they are pro-Russian. As is said, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Your record is worse than that of a stopped clock, but one day you may claim something that turns out to be correct.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    First it was Bakhmut, now it's Adviivka, where the world seems to be transfixed by the progress of both sides. The truth of the matter is that both small towns (villages?), have no real value and are meaningless bombed out shells of their past existence, in the middle of nowhere, that are only a reflection of current bragging rights. 100's of thousands have lost their lives in pursuit of these small towns. I guess, on the bright side, the war is not currently centered in larger more viable cities with larger populations. Perhaps, you see more into these events than I do?

    , @LondonBob
    @AP

    Russians look like they have taken light casualties in Avdeevka, certainly not what was expected when attacking such a highly fortified area.

    Replies: @AP

  262. @Mr. Hack
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I don't know, they're a pretty straight laced crowd?...

    https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/GtJyoViwrMhs5bSzfr9HgWOzj7w=/0x5:2105x2636/622x778/media/img/2023/07/26/0923_WEL_BAP3/original.jpg
    Bronze Age Pervert, a recycled Romanian who speaks in a deep Russian accent, razzle dazzles many on the far right and puts his Yale PhD to good use. He certainly puts one of AP's thesis, that low IQ Balkanoids are dullards, to the test. A lot of what he writes about is complimentary of the gay lifestyle along with his lampooning of the traditional family unit. I wonder if Karlin isn't one of his disciples?

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard


    BAP depicted in a more modern background?

  263. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    I do wonder what percentage of the vote AfD would need to get in order to be fundamentally different from controlled opposition. (In the sense of being a safe outlet for dissent, while not having any real consequences).

    I think it would depend on the rhetoric of the other parties and whether it changes or not. (Possibly requires a higher threshold in Germany than other places.) I don't think it has happened yet. Wagenknecht would probably be considered a straw man - at least in American politics. (That is, someone encouraged to run for no other purpose than splitting the vote.)

    Replies: @German_reader

    If they got 25-30% they could force the other parties into increasingly bizarre coalitions and show that on crucial issues they’re the only opposition.
    But who knows what the establishment will try. This is the cover of tomorrow’s SPIEGEL:
    https://nitter.cz/derspiegel/status/1722948517566534025#m
    “Should AfD be banned?”. Real liberal democracy moment.

    • Thanks: songbird
  264. @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    Bronze Age Pervert, a recycled Romanian who speaks in a deep Russian accent, razzle dazzles many on the far right and puts his Yale PhD to good use. He certainly puts one of AP’s thesis, that low IQ Balkanoids are dullards, to the test
     
    He's Jewish.

    Plus, of course, group averages don't mean much when considering individuals.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Like Karlin, he seems to be a “hybrid”. Here’s a copy of his baptismal certificate that shows him to be baptised Christian:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5yyoibXgAASWRx?format=jpg&name=medium

  265. @Greasy William
    I made a case above about why Moshiach and Gog/Magog will be coming shortly, but I wanted to use this space to deal with two other pieces of evidence that I had mentioned before but not explained well (because I myself didn't understand them, I just thought they sounded legit). Some of this will be rehashed from earlier posts but I'm hoping to explain it better this time:

    Exhibit A: Ecclesiastes
    1. 28 epics in Ecclesiastes
    2. 6000/28 = ~214. 214 years of history correspond to each epic
    a. "A time to build" corresponds to the year of the Tower of Babel
    b. "A time to laugh" corresponds to the year Isaac was born (Sarah had laughed that she could have a child at age 99)
    c. "A time to hate" begins at the end of the Renaissance and ends in 1809-1812, the era of the mega pogroms in Eastern Europe which would end the Jewish golden age in Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Belarus and Ukraine (this one is admittedly a bit of a stretch, but a dating in that range does work)
    d. "A time for war" corresponds to Napoleons invasion of Russia with 600,000 troops. 600,000 Jews left Egypt, 600,000 letters in the written Torah. The name "Israel" can be read as an acronym for "Yesh Shishim Ribo Otiot LaTorah" ("There are 6000 letters in the Torah"). It is also said that there were 600,000 initial intepretations of the Torah, because 600,000 people received it and every one had their own unique interpretation.
    i. During this era mankind witnessed the most destructive wars and genocides in its history
    e. "A time for peace" begins in what would be 2027 CE on the goyish calendar

    Exhibit B: Biblical Dating
    1. In the Book of Daniel, it is said that the Redemption will come 2300 years after. The question has always been, "after what?"
    2. Due to the precise Hebrew wording used, particularly the use of the word "erav" in 2 separate relevant places in the Tanach, we have reason to believe that the starting point for the 2300 year clock would be the year when prophecy was closed to the Jewish people. This would be the year 3484 on the Jewish calendar, or 273 BCE on the goyish calendar
    3. 273 BCE + 2300 years = 2027 CE

    Exhibit C: Other Dating
    1. The Zohar says that the Redemption comes 214 (there's that number again!) years before the year 6000 on the Jewish calendar. This means that we would expect the Redemption to come on the goyish year of... 2027
    2. Moshiach is supposed to arrive on the Tisha B'Av after a Shmita year. The next Tisha B'Av is August 2024.
    3. The book of Daniel says that the Redemption will come 3.5 years after Moshiach's arrival, so that would be 2027 if Moshiach appeared in 2024.

    *it does need to be noted that the Zohar also suggests at another place that 2030 CE may be the year of Redemption, not 2027 CE.

    ...

    I really don't expect anyone to agree with me that there is going to be an apocalyptic nuclear exchange between Russia/China and the US, with Israel caught in the middle, in the year 2027, after which the Jewish people will be redeemed. I'll be the first to admit that it sounds pretty out there. And at the end of the day, I'm just another reclusive, mentally unbalanced weirdo on the internet, so there is no particular reason to pay attention to any of my predictions regardless.

    But I'm not just pulling this stuff out of my ass, either. Everything I've talked about comes from scholars who have researched these matters extensively. All I have done in my posts is compile the various predictions from different sources and made note of how much the predictions seem to match up with current events.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Barbarossa

    I’m not just pulling this stuff out of my ass

    But apparently you’re choosing to listen to people who are.

    For example, there are no 28 epics in the Ecclesiastes. It’s a rather short book at 12 chapters. And why would you divide 6000 by 28 anyway? It may give you the years of history corresponding to each (non-existent) epic as much as it may give you the number of ravens flying in the sky when the author started the book. But perhaps there’s no better example of pulling stuff out of one’s ass than the association you make between the “time to” passages of the famous verses and precise historical dates.

    Ecclesiastes looks very straight-forward and literal for an OT book. It has an easy to follow line, with basically nothing in the form of allegoric or prophetic value, which was quite clearly not the intent of the author. What you are presenting is an obvious case of people trying to find occult meaning so hard in a text that they totally forget what the text actually says and distort its contents beyond recognition.

    Forget those prophecies. You’re being had.

  266. I think the lack of large scale swift maneuvers is not because of weather but rather as the Ukrainian military commander said the other day because modern surveillance capabilities mean surprise is no longer possible and both sides have realised how to get real time targeting and easily destroy the other’s attacking formations before they have made much headway. Let us define a Russian win as Ukraine officially conceding it has lost currently occupied territory forever after and seeking an peace treaty with terms recognising the occupied territories as part of Russia.

    As Mearsheimer said the other day. no matter who is in the White House, the US’s protégée Ukraine making any concession to losing the easternmost parts of the country in return for peace would be such a shattering blow to America’s global prestige that no president could possibly acquiesce in it. True victory might have been attained last year but Ukraine failed to follow up its successes in a timely manner, and now the Russians are, if not skillful, stubborn in defence.

    A Korean war type ending without an official peace treaty is the most likely outcome and that will let America and Russia retain the status they enjoyed prior to 2022. Anyone in the White House (or the Kremlin) will see their country’s status in the world as worth battling to almost the last extremity for. No occupant of the White house can let Russia ‘win’. Neither can anyone in the Kremlin let Russia be defeated. It is not existential so much as a a pissing contest. . All sounds so futile. Yet ultimately status is an indispensable survival tool, which is why countries that have been around a while set so much store by it. Russia cannot be defeated and Ukraine backed by the US can not be beaten either. There is no prolonging or shortening what was always going to be a long war between two closely related peoples with a lot of grit.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Sean

    I think the lack of large scale swift maneuvers is not because of weather but rather as the Ukrainian military commander said the other day because modern surveillance capabilities mean surprise is no longer possible and both sides have realised how to get real time targeting and easily destroy the other’s attacking formations before they have made much headway.

    This is what I concluded after some of the early Russian probing operations and yet the Ukrainians still tried big arrow type offensives. Even worse was announcing that an offensive was coming. US military analysts were correct that a defensive posture at Bakhmut was the best strategy. There goes the theory that Ukraine does whatever the US wants. The US also wanted them to go into a defensive posture before the invasion and Zelensky responded that it would only agitate Russia.

    You would think that Russia would change their tactics at this point but they are currently sending bunched up columns of armor at Avdiivka that hit mines and then are finished off by artillery. It's madness. I've seen 4 attacks go up in smoke. All the vehicles were filled with ammo which led to huge fireworks. I posted a video where the Ukrainians waited until the Russians were out of their vehicles before delivering a cluster bomb. They perfectly hit the radius and most likely killed everyone within it. The clusters also make fixing any vehicle impossible. They punch half dollar sized holes in everything.

    Let us define a Russian win as Ukraine officially conceding it has lost currently occupied territory forever after and capitulating on terms favourable to Russia.

    Let us define a Ukrainian win as Russia officially conceding it had to give back most Ukrainian territory and allow Ukraine to exist as a state.

    See I can do that too.

    We can all create definitions of a win in a stalemate. Unfortunately for Putin he laid out very clear goals in his invasion speech and the primary goal was keeping NATO from expanding East. Well that goal is a failure if Finland remains in NATO. This isn't Russian Totalitarian TV where his original speech will never be spoken of less the dictator has a critical thinker thrown from a window.

    As Mearsheimer said the other day. no matter who is in the White House, the US’s protégée Ukraine making any concession to losing the easternmost parts of the country in return for peace would be such a shattering blow to America’s global prestige that no president could possibly acquiesce in it.

    Boy is that some wishful thinking. I'm not a fan of the US status quo but the US government will win no matter where the lines are drawn. US defensive industries are having a bonanza. Only in their wildest dreams would congress line up and demand not only more spending but they also have outstanding orders for HIMARS and Excalibur from around the world.

    If we get lines drawn around Donbas then whoever is in the White House will be sitting on an economic boon. Oil will drop and all kinds of private contracts will be drawn up for Ukraine. A flood of capital will go into US companies. The companies that were in Russia will re-invest in Ukraine.

    The US can only lose if Putin gobbles up all of Ukraine. Putin has already signaled that he is willing to walk with Donbas/Zap/Crimea. That means all the pro-Russian military analysts were wrong in predicting a march on Kiev.

    Replies: @Sean, @Beckow

    , @sudden death
    @Sean


    No occupant of the White house can let Russia ‘win’
     
    Easy peasy - RF dream team of DJT+ one of Ramaswamy/Tucker/Lake/MTG as potential VicePres/State Secretary+Mcgregor as Pentagon head in WH would do that in heartbeat while A12345's of the propaganda wing would be buzzing overtime doing fanfares about American superwinning event;)
    , @A123
    @Sean


    no matter who is in the White House, the US’s protégée Ukraine making any concession to losing the easternmost parts of the country in return for peace would be such a shattering blow to America’s global prestige that no president could possibly acquiesce in it.
     
    You appear to be confusing Germany and the U.S.

    no matter who is in the Chancellery, Berlin’s protégée Ukraine making any concession to losing the easternmost parts of the country in return for peace would be such a shattering blow to German global prestige that no Chancellor could possibly acquiesce in it.

    The European Empire's unelected puppet in the White House does not represent America. The U.S. is regaining global prestige and honour by cutting off the Veggie-in-Chief's personal failure. (1)

    No more green for Zelenskyy.

    With war funding for both Ukraine and Israel now seemingly snarled up beyond repair in Congress, on Thursday the Pentagon said that funding delays have forced the US to begin restricting the flow of military assistance to Ukraine, and the Pentagon has only $1 billion left to replenish stocks of weapons that were sent to the country, according to a spokeswoman.

    “We have had to meter out our support for Ukraine,” Deputy Pentagon spokeswoman Sabrina Singh told reporters. “We’re going to continue to roll out packages but they are getting smaller.”
     
    The bell tolls for Kiev aggression. Zelensky's offense against Russian civilians is propped up by outside funding. Will Germany and France contribute €3-5 Billion per month to keep the fight going? If not, things can only get worse for Kiev.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/pentagon-starting-restrict-flow-military-aid-ukraine-money-runs-out
    , @AP
    @Sean


    Let us define a Russian win as Ukraine officially conceding it has lost currently occupied territory forever after and seeking an peace treaty with terms recognising the occupied territories as part of Russia.
     
    I assume your scenario means no NATO membership for Ukraine, but EU integration can proceed?

    Well, there are two ways of considering whether a war is won or lost:

    1. Were the original objectives made?

    2. Is each combatant better off?

    By (1) it's a Russian loss, on balance.

    Russia demanded: demilitirazition, "deNazification" (combination of regime change and Russian control of Ukraine's educational policy, politics, etc.), no NATO status retained, Ukraine joining Eurasian Customs Union rather than EU (not a formal demand but what a pro-Russian puppet government would have obviously done), Russian language, recognition of Crimea and Donbas as Russian.

    Russia will get a far more militarized Ukraine with a far more formidable military, far more nationalistic and anti-Russian policy within Ukraine, closer ties to EU, NATO expansion in the Baltic, militarization of rival Poland. It probably loses the $300 billion in foreign currency reserves that the West took. Russia keeps a little of what it already had (no NATO in Ukraine, Crimea and Donbas) but merely formalizes and makes permanent this status. It gains, as a consolation prize relative to its failed goals, the Crimea corridor.

    By (2) both are worse off in the short and medium term. It's lose-lose. In addition to failing most of its goals, Russia has demilitarized itself, lost the oil and gas business in Europe, lost influence in Central Asia to China and/or Turkey, lost 100,000s of young people. It gained the Crimean corridor but this will lose population and will not be as valuable because it (as well as Crimea) are no longer irrigated and won't be for many years.

    Ukraine will have lost territory and millions of people (millions will return, but millions will not). But this will at least be balanced by integration with EU, restoration of the economy, sense of national cohesion, etc.

    Five to ten years after peace, both countries will probably be ok if there are no further wars.

    USA and China win, EU loses a little.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mikhail
    @Sean


    As Mearsheimer said the other day. no matter who is in the White House, the US’s protégée Ukraine making any concession to losing the easternmost parts of the country in return for peace would be such a shattering blow to America’s global prestige that no president could possibly acquiesce in it. True victory might have been attained last year but Ukraine failed to follow up its successes in a timely manner, and now the Russians are, if not skillful, stubborn in defence.

    A Korean war type ending without an official peace treaty is the most likely outcome and that will let America and Russia retain the status they enjoyed prior to 2022. Anyone in the White House (or the Kremlin) will see their country’s status in the world as worth battling to almost the last extremity for. No occupant of the White house can let Russia ‘win’. Neither can anyone in the Kremlin let Russia be defeated. It is not existential so much as a a pissing contest. . All sounds so futile. Yet ultimately status is an indispensable survival tool, which is why countries that have been around a while set so much store by it. Russia cannot be defeated and Ukraine backed by the US can not be beaten either. There is no prolonging or shortening what was always going to be a long war between two closely related peoples with a lot of grit.
     
    Obama was right back in 2016 when he said that Ukraine means more to Russia than America. Brandon, Blinken and Nuland won't be around in top slots forever. With pressing domestic concerns, the US public is understandably not so gung ho on supporting the corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced Kiev regime, which has blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.

    Since 2/24/22 Russia has done comparatively better than the collective West. Russia isn't losing and will not lose. On the future of Ukraine, note how Chechnya has gone from being a haven of anti-Russian extremism to a more reasoned and peaceful entity.

    Related -

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/22102023-answering-biden-on-russia-ukraine-and-israel-palestine-oped/
    , @LatW
    @Sean


    True victory might have been attained last year but Ukraine failed to follow up its successes in a timely manner, and now the Russians are, if not skillful, stubborn in defence.
     
    From what can be gleaned from the comments of Ukrainian analysts and the military on the ground, it appears that Zaluzhny never received all of the weapons he had requested and in the amount that was needed. Thus the war was not finished last year not because "Ukraine failed to follow up its successes" but because Ukraine was not provided the means for that. It's the failure of the pro-Ukrainian coalition, not Ukraine. It is a bit weird to assume that Ukraine should've just "followed up on successes" such as the Kharkiv operation when the terrain and Russian troop placements were completely different there than in the south. Timing is everything and delaying help allowed the Russians to get over the initial shock and prepare much better to continue the war.

    The White House deliberately decided to prolong the war.

    Replies: @sudden death

  267. @Sean
    I think the lack of large scale swift maneuvers is not because of weather but rather as the Ukrainian military commander said the other day because modern surveillance capabilities mean surprise is no longer possible and both sides have realised how to get real time targeting and easily destroy the other's attacking formations before they have made much headway. Let us define a Russian win as Ukraine officially conceding it has lost currently occupied territory forever after and seeking an peace treaty with terms recognising the occupied territories as part of Russia.

    As Mearsheimer said the other day. no matter who is in the White House, the US's protégée Ukraine making any concession to losing the easternmost parts of the country in return for peace would be such a shattering blow to America's global prestige that no president could possibly acquiesce in it. True victory might have been attained last year but Ukraine failed to follow up its successes in a timely manner, and now the Russians are, if not skillful, stubborn in defence.

    A Korean war type ending without an official peace treaty is the most likely outcome and that will let America and Russia retain the status they enjoyed prior to 2022. Anyone in the White House (or the Kremlin) will see their country's status in the world as worth battling to almost the last extremity for. No occupant of the White house can let Russia 'win'. Neither can anyone in the Kremlin let Russia be defeated. It is not existential so much as a a pissing contest. . All sounds so futile. Yet ultimately status is an indispensable survival tool, which is why countries that have been around a while set so much store by it. Russia cannot be defeated and Ukraine backed by the US can not be beaten either. There is no prolonging or shortening what was always going to be a long war between two closely related peoples with a lot of grit.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @sudden death, @A123, @AP, @Mikhail, @LatW

    I think the lack of large scale swift maneuvers is not because of weather but rather as the Ukrainian military commander said the other day because modern surveillance capabilities mean surprise is no longer possible and both sides have realised how to get real time targeting and easily destroy the other’s attacking formations before they have made much headway.

    This is what I concluded after some of the early Russian probing operations and yet the Ukrainians still tried big arrow type offensives. Even worse was announcing that an offensive was coming. US military analysts were correct that a defensive posture at Bakhmut was the best strategy. There goes the theory that Ukraine does whatever the US wants. The US also wanted them to go into a defensive posture before the invasion and Zelensky responded that it would only agitate Russia.

    You would think that Russia would change their tactics at this point but they are currently sending bunched up columns of armor at Avdiivka that hit mines and then are finished off by artillery. It’s madness. I’ve seen 4 attacks go up in smoke. All the vehicles were filled with ammo which led to huge fireworks. I posted a video where the Ukrainians waited until the Russians were out of their vehicles before delivering a cluster bomb. They perfectly hit the radius and most likely killed everyone within it. The clusters also make fixing any vehicle impossible. They punch half dollar sized holes in everything.

    Let us define a Russian win as Ukraine officially conceding it has lost currently occupied territory forever after and capitulating on terms favourable to Russia.

    Let us define a Ukrainian win as Russia officially conceding it had to give back most Ukrainian territory and allow Ukraine to exist as a state.

    See I can do that too.

    We can all create definitions of a win in a stalemate. Unfortunately for Putin he laid out very clear goals in his invasion speech and the primary goal was keeping NATO from expanding East. Well that goal is a failure if Finland remains in NATO. This isn’t Russian Totalitarian TV where his original speech will never be spoken of less the dictator has a critical thinker thrown from a window.

    As Mearsheimer said the other day. no matter who is in the White House, the US’s protégée Ukraine making any concession to losing the easternmost parts of the country in return for peace would be such a shattering blow to America’s global prestige that no president could possibly acquiesce in it.

    Boy is that some wishful thinking. I’m not a fan of the US status quo but the US government will win no matter where the lines are drawn. US defensive industries are having a bonanza. Only in their wildest dreams would congress line up and demand not only more spending but they also have outstanding orders for HIMARS and Excalibur from around the world.

    If we get lines drawn around Donbas then whoever is in the White House will be sitting on an economic boon. Oil will drop and all kinds of private contracts will be drawn up for Ukraine. A flood of capital will go into US companies. The companies that were in Russia will re-invest in Ukraine.

    The US can only lose if Putin gobbles up all of Ukraine. Putin has already signaled that he is willing to walk with Donbas/Zap/Crimea. That means all the pro-Russian military analysts were wrong in predicting a march on Kiev.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @John Johnson


    The US can only lose if Putin gobbles up all of Ukraine
     
    No, because Putin's mistakes can indirectly set the US on a path of relative decline. Just before WW1, Europe had 50% of global production (US 40%). Putin takes Russia from standing proud into into the slough of despond where it is looking for support at any price, China gets cheaper energy, and neither of those will be any kind of win for America.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...US can only lose if Putin gobbles up all of Ukraine.
     
    Right. Why don't you also throw in eastern Poland? Or Belgium?

    When people start losing they raise the bar for the other side. That's what you are doing. It only shows that you are becoming desperate.

    Russia wins if Ukraine is weakened for 20 years, controls pro-Russian Ukie lands, Kiev rump government is not in Nato. They don't need Galicia or other remote provinces - they only need to make sure those regions are weak and pose no threat to Russia.

    The profits for arms-makers or theatrics by chest-beating politicians are Western internal issues - why would Russia care? They are domestic Western issues - if people want to spend money on weapons and are willing to pay for it, it is their business. It has nothing to do with who wins or loses in Ukraine.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  268. @Sean
    I think the lack of large scale swift maneuvers is not because of weather but rather as the Ukrainian military commander said the other day because modern surveillance capabilities mean surprise is no longer possible and both sides have realised how to get real time targeting and easily destroy the other's attacking formations before they have made much headway. Let us define a Russian win as Ukraine officially conceding it has lost currently occupied territory forever after and seeking an peace treaty with terms recognising the occupied territories as part of Russia.

    As Mearsheimer said the other day. no matter who is in the White House, the US's protégée Ukraine making any concession to losing the easternmost parts of the country in return for peace would be such a shattering blow to America's global prestige that no president could possibly acquiesce in it. True victory might have been attained last year but Ukraine failed to follow up its successes in a timely manner, and now the Russians are, if not skillful, stubborn in defence.

    A Korean war type ending without an official peace treaty is the most likely outcome and that will let America and Russia retain the status they enjoyed prior to 2022. Anyone in the White House (or the Kremlin) will see their country's status in the world as worth battling to almost the last extremity for. No occupant of the White house can let Russia 'win'. Neither can anyone in the Kremlin let Russia be defeated. It is not existential so much as a a pissing contest. . All sounds so futile. Yet ultimately status is an indispensable survival tool, which is why countries that have been around a while set so much store by it. Russia cannot be defeated and Ukraine backed by the US can not be beaten either. There is no prolonging or shortening what was always going to be a long war between two closely related peoples with a lot of grit.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @sudden death, @A123, @AP, @Mikhail, @LatW

    No occupant of the White house can let Russia ‘win’

    Easy peasy – RF dream team of DJT+ one of Ramaswamy/Tucker/Lake/MTG as potential VicePres/State Secretary+Mcgregor as Pentagon head in WH would do that in heartbeat while A12345’s of the propaganda wing would be buzzing overtime doing fanfares about American superwinning event;)

  269. @AP
    @LondonBob

    I don't make predictions about this, for all I know the Russians may eventually take Avdeeka after extreme cost. But you consistently make predictions and they are as wildly wrong as they are pro-Russian. As is said, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Your record is worse than that of a stopped clock, but one day you may claim something that turns out to be correct.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @LondonBob

    First it was Bakhmut, now it’s Adviivka, where the world seems to be transfixed by the progress of both sides. The truth of the matter is that both small towns (villages?), have no real value and are meaningless bombed out shells of their past existence, in the middle of nowhere, that are only a reflection of current bragging rights. 100’s of thousands have lost their lives in pursuit of these small towns. I guess, on the bright side, the war is not currently centered in larger more viable cities with larger populations. Perhaps, you see more into these events than I do?

  270. @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    I sit and work next to a 24 year old Mormon "kid" in the office. In his first year of production, he's breaking all sort of sales records at our successful Advisory firm. Sure, it helps that his father has long been a successful Advisor that he can lean on for advice and encouragement, but from my vantage point, his success is greatly derived from smarts and hard work. He's already spent two years over in Japan on missionary work, and knows the language and culture quite well. A tall, good looking guy too (he looks a lot like a young Charlton Heston), he's been able to attract an equally good looking spouse, and together they already have 3 kids! My impression of a few of the other Mormons in the office is equally positive. My relations with Mormons in Arizona has been quite positive. I used to report to one at another firm that I worked at. A super smart guy who treated me very fairly. They're good, hard working people - America could do much worse.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson, @Dmitry

    he’s been able to attract an equally good looking spouse, and together they already have 3 kids! My impression of a few of the other Mormons in the office is equally positive. My relations with Mormons in Arizona has been quite positive.

    I once had the exact same outlook. That could have been my post at one time.

    I had heard of the “no Mormons when doing business” rule and thought it was based on ignorance or Christian prejudice. I even had a Mormon friend growing up and thought I knew them well.

    Trying doing business with them outside of an office where trust is required on their end. Especially a scenario where their image is not at stake and you are depending on basic morals in business.

    That friendly smile is just a veneer. They expect to rule over us in the afterlife and as such are dealing with future slaves. The White man’s expectations in business affairs mean absolutely nothing to them. If you are not in the club then you are a future space slave. That’s not an exaggeration. They get planets where we become slaves for not believing that Joseph Smith talked to an angel in the woods. They continue to breed with hundreds of wives while we slave away for their existence.

    I was warned about doing business with them and had to touch the stove for myself. It’s hot and I didn’t listen. Fortunately I was able to leave before taking a loss. I saw exactly what I was warned about by the more experienced. No morals when they can get away with it and they hire incompetent Mormons whenever possible. Any problems with incompetent Mormons are blamed on future slaves.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    Well, at my age, I don't plan to start a new business nor am I personally looking for any new sales prospects, so I think that I'm okay. I generally shy away from topics dealing with politics or religion in the office, and have not felt any proselytizing efforts coming my way from them. There's an LDS church in my neighborhood, and I used to occasionally see the obligatory side by side young bicycle patrolmen riding around...not so much lately? Maybe they'll cut me some slack in the next world, as my perceptions of them in this one have been rather flattering. :-)

    Replies: @John Johnson

  271. @Mr. Hack
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I don't know, they're a pretty straight laced crowd?...

    https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/GtJyoViwrMhs5bSzfr9HgWOzj7w=/0x5:2105x2636/622x778/media/img/2023/07/26/0923_WEL_BAP3/original.jpg
    Bronze Age Pervert, a recycled Romanian who speaks in a deep Russian accent, razzle dazzles many on the far right and puts his Yale PhD to good use. He certainly puts one of AP's thesis, that low IQ Balkanoids are dullards, to the test. A lot of what he writes about is complimentary of the gay lifestyle along with his lampooning of the traditional family unit. I wonder if Karlin isn't one of his disciples?

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard

    The new book is orthodox traditional family values. Not gay. It is a mild modified format of his Yale PhD thesis. Mostly Nietzsche, Plato, and Strauss with his novel interpretation. Zero Mormon sins.

    I’m only a third of the way through it but I have my review already one third composed. It’s a good book. Very wrong but good.

    If you buy it you get an NSA tally mark in your file to go with all the others.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I wasn't aware that anybody really cared about my opinions enough to keep a file of them somewhere? I guess I should feel flattered. :-)

  272. @Sean
    I think the lack of large scale swift maneuvers is not because of weather but rather as the Ukrainian military commander said the other day because modern surveillance capabilities mean surprise is no longer possible and both sides have realised how to get real time targeting and easily destroy the other's attacking formations before they have made much headway. Let us define a Russian win as Ukraine officially conceding it has lost currently occupied territory forever after and seeking an peace treaty with terms recognising the occupied territories as part of Russia.

    As Mearsheimer said the other day. no matter who is in the White House, the US's protégée Ukraine making any concession to losing the easternmost parts of the country in return for peace would be such a shattering blow to America's global prestige that no president could possibly acquiesce in it. True victory might have been attained last year but Ukraine failed to follow up its successes in a timely manner, and now the Russians are, if not skillful, stubborn in defence.

    A Korean war type ending without an official peace treaty is the most likely outcome and that will let America and Russia retain the status they enjoyed prior to 2022. Anyone in the White House (or the Kremlin) will see their country's status in the world as worth battling to almost the last extremity for. No occupant of the White house can let Russia 'win'. Neither can anyone in the Kremlin let Russia be defeated. It is not existential so much as a a pissing contest. . All sounds so futile. Yet ultimately status is an indispensable survival tool, which is why countries that have been around a while set so much store by it. Russia cannot be defeated and Ukraine backed by the US can not be beaten either. There is no prolonging or shortening what was always going to be a long war between two closely related peoples with a lot of grit.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @sudden death, @A123, @AP, @Mikhail, @LatW

    no matter who is in the White House, the US’s protégée Ukraine making any concession to losing the easternmost parts of the country in return for peace would be such a shattering blow to America’s global prestige that no president could possibly acquiesce in it.

    You appear to be confusing Germany and the U.S.

    no matter who is in the Chancellery, Berlin’s protégée Ukraine making any concession to losing the easternmost parts of the country in return for peace would be such a shattering blow to German global prestige that no Chancellor could possibly acquiesce in it.

    The European Empire’s unelected puppet in the White House does not represent America. The U.S. is regaining global prestige and honour by cutting off the Veggie-in-Chief’s personal failure. (1)

    No more green for Zelenskyy.

    With war funding for both Ukraine and Israel now seemingly snarled up beyond repair in Congress, on Thursday the Pentagon said that funding delays have forced the US to begin restricting the flow of military assistance to Ukraine, and the Pentagon has only $1 billion left to replenish stocks of weapons that were sent to the country, according to a spokeswoman.

    “We have had to meter out our support for Ukraine,” Deputy Pentagon spokeswoman Sabrina Singh told reporters. “We’re going to continue to roll out packages but they are getting smaller.”

    The bell tolls for Kiev aggression. Zelensky’s offense against Russian civilians is propped up by outside funding. Will Germany and France contribute €3-5 Billion per month to keep the fight going? If not, things can only get worse for Kiev.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/pentagon-starting-restrict-flow-military-aid-ukraine-money-runs-out

  273. Contrary to what GW said, The Duran doesn’t appear to be anti-Israeli:

    The dwarf tyrant Zelensky is on his way out:

    Project Ukraine has been a resounding flop.

    The latest Carlson-Greenwald exchange concerns the likes of Dersh and Desantis:

    So much for the BBC BS about Russia launching an unprovoked aggression which indiscriminately attacks civilians. Related is Brandon saying Hamas needs to learn to shoot straight (a mocking reference to the questionable claim that a Hamas rocket hit a Gaza hospital). In actuality, the Kiev regime hit targets on several occasions which killed civilians, with Western mass media initially pointing the finger at Russia. To date, Russia has done a better job than Israel in substantiating civilian infrastructure being used as human shields.

    On the matter of hate and feeling threatened, is it safer to fly the Russian flag over the Ukrainian, Israeli and Palestinian flags? Does World Athletics (track & field) have a blanket ban on Israeli, Ukrainian and Palestinian athletes which even prohibit them to compete as neutrals? Has the IOC banned the Israeli, Ukrainian and Palestinian flags and anthems? Some others can be banned as well under the same faulty logic being applied to Russia.

    Related –

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/05072023-cancel-the-2024-paris-summer-olympics-idea-oped/

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail

    Scott Ritter as successful moron-magnet and moron-detection device never fails.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @A123

  274. @songbird
    What do Sher Singh and AP think about the idea that the nobility were genetically more prone to violence?
    https://youtu.be/3-gyyYIamQE?si=9o5-vhuUqfmB48hQ

    Replies: @AP, @Barbarossa, @LatW

    “We was Kangz!”

    Sorry, but that was low hanging fruit.

    • LOL: songbird
    • Replies: @songbird
    @Barbarossa

    I once knew a Nigerian who seemed to earnestly believe that Europans had screwed Africans over by drawing arbitrary borders, and that a better model would have been old kingdoms or empires.

    Seems pretty naive to me, but I do wonder where the best place to put the Windsors might be.
    https://youtu.be/MivyAr8QGOE?si=hJka0GLofAOWinhu

  275. @John Johnson
    @Mr. Hack

    he’s been able to attract an equally good looking spouse, and together they already have 3 kids! My impression of a few of the other Mormons in the office is equally positive. My relations with Mormons in Arizona has been quite positive.

    I once had the exact same outlook. That could have been my post at one time.

    I had heard of the "no Mormons when doing business" rule and thought it was based on ignorance or Christian prejudice. I even had a Mormon friend growing up and thought I knew them well.

    Trying doing business with them outside of an office where trust is required on their end. Especially a scenario where their image is not at stake and you are depending on basic morals in business.

    That friendly smile is just a veneer. They expect to rule over us in the afterlife and as such are dealing with future slaves. The White man's expectations in business affairs mean absolutely nothing to them. If you are not in the club then you are a future space slave. That's not an exaggeration. They get planets where we become slaves for not believing that Joseph Smith talked to an angel in the woods. They continue to breed with hundreds of wives while we slave away for their existence.

    I was warned about doing business with them and had to touch the stove for myself. It's hot and I didn't listen. Fortunately I was able to leave before taking a loss. I saw exactly what I was warned about by the more experienced. No morals when they can get away with it and they hire incompetent Mormons whenever possible. Any problems with incompetent Mormons are blamed on future slaves.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Well, at my age, I don’t plan to start a new business nor am I personally looking for any new sales prospects, so I think that I’m okay. I generally shy away from topics dealing with politics or religion in the office, and have not felt any proselytizing efforts coming my way from them. There’s an LDS church in my neighborhood, and I used to occasionally see the obligatory side by side young bicycle patrolmen riding around…not so much lately? Maybe they’ll cut me some slack in the next world, as my perceptions of them in this one have been rather flattering. 🙂

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. Hack

    Well, at my age, I don’t plan to start a new business nor am I personally looking for any new sales prospects, so I think that I’m okay.

    It doesn't have to be a business to business contact.

    Hire them to remodel a bathroom and see what happens.

    I generally shy away from topics dealing with politics or religion in the office, and have not felt any proselytizing efforts coming my way from them.

    Well I do the same. I never bring up politics or religion at work and cringe when other people do it. Nothing more cringe than someone asking "What church do you go to?".

    When I was in the city the liberal women in the office would actually complain about White men in earshot. I overheard stuff like "White mans world blah blah complain" and those same women were never seen dating Blacks or Hispanics. Ironically they never hired White men unless they absolutely had to. They would fly in minorities for management positions. The White men they hired for management were complete ass kissers.

    Maybe they’ll cut me some slack in the next world, as my perceptions of them in this one have been rather flattering.

    Maybe you can request that they put us on the same chain gang. We will have some good conversations.

    What I don't get is where all the wives come from. The men get like a hundred wives on their new planet. God just creates them as full grown women?? Poof and here is another babe to slay? In the Mormon education cartoon they are all fit and blonde. Breasty as well.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  276. @AP
    @LondonBob

    I don't make predictions about this, for all I know the Russians may eventually take Avdeeka after extreme cost. But you consistently make predictions and they are as wildly wrong as they are pro-Russian. As is said, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Your record is worse than that of a stopped clock, but one day you may claim something that turns out to be correct.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @LondonBob

    Russians look like they have taken light casualties in Avdeevka, certainly not what was expected when attacking such a highly fortified area.

    • Replies: @AP
    @LondonBob

    LOL, based on the Duran?

  277. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    The new book is orthodox traditional family values. Not gay. It is a mild modified format of his Yale PhD thesis. Mostly Nietzsche, Plato, and Strauss with his novel interpretation. Zero Mormon sins.

    I'm only a third of the way through it but I have my review already one third composed. It's a good book. Very wrong but good.

    https://www.amazon.com/Selective-Breeding-Philosophy-Costin-Alamariu/dp/B0CJ3ZDHF6/

    If you buy it you get an NSA tally mark in your file to go with all the others.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I wasn’t aware that anybody really cared about my opinions enough to keep a file of them somewhere? I guess I should feel flattered. 🙂

  278. Zaluzhny’s aide, was it Zelensky/Yermak, the Russian intelligence services, or an accident?

  279. @Greasy William
    I made a case above about why Moshiach and Gog/Magog will be coming shortly, but I wanted to use this space to deal with two other pieces of evidence that I had mentioned before but not explained well (because I myself didn't understand them, I just thought they sounded legit). Some of this will be rehashed from earlier posts but I'm hoping to explain it better this time:

    Exhibit A: Ecclesiastes
    1. 28 epics in Ecclesiastes
    2. 6000/28 = ~214. 214 years of history correspond to each epic
    a. "A time to build" corresponds to the year of the Tower of Babel
    b. "A time to laugh" corresponds to the year Isaac was born (Sarah had laughed that she could have a child at age 99)
    c. "A time to hate" begins at the end of the Renaissance and ends in 1809-1812, the era of the mega pogroms in Eastern Europe which would end the Jewish golden age in Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Belarus and Ukraine (this one is admittedly a bit of a stretch, but a dating in that range does work)
    d. "A time for war" corresponds to Napoleons invasion of Russia with 600,000 troops. 600,000 Jews left Egypt, 600,000 letters in the written Torah. The name "Israel" can be read as an acronym for "Yesh Shishim Ribo Otiot LaTorah" ("There are 6000 letters in the Torah"). It is also said that there were 600,000 initial intepretations of the Torah, because 600,000 people received it and every one had their own unique interpretation.
    i. During this era mankind witnessed the most destructive wars and genocides in its history
    e. "A time for peace" begins in what would be 2027 CE on the goyish calendar

    Exhibit B: Biblical Dating
    1. In the Book of Daniel, it is said that the Redemption will come 2300 years after. The question has always been, "after what?"
    2. Due to the precise Hebrew wording used, particularly the use of the word "erav" in 2 separate relevant places in the Tanach, we have reason to believe that the starting point for the 2300 year clock would be the year when prophecy was closed to the Jewish people. This would be the year 3484 on the Jewish calendar, or 273 BCE on the goyish calendar
    3. 273 BCE + 2300 years = 2027 CE

    Exhibit C: Other Dating
    1. The Zohar says that the Redemption comes 214 (there's that number again!) years before the year 6000 on the Jewish calendar. This means that we would expect the Redemption to come on the goyish year of... 2027
    2. Moshiach is supposed to arrive on the Tisha B'Av after a Shmita year. The next Tisha B'Av is August 2024.
    3. The book of Daniel says that the Redemption will come 3.5 years after Moshiach's arrival, so that would be 2027 if Moshiach appeared in 2024.

    *it does need to be noted that the Zohar also suggests at another place that 2030 CE may be the year of Redemption, not 2027 CE.

    ...

    I really don't expect anyone to agree with me that there is going to be an apocalyptic nuclear exchange between Russia/China and the US, with Israel caught in the middle, in the year 2027, after which the Jewish people will be redeemed. I'll be the first to admit that it sounds pretty out there. And at the end of the day, I'm just another reclusive, mentally unbalanced weirdo on the internet, so there is no particular reason to pay attention to any of my predictions regardless.

    But I'm not just pulling this stuff out of my ass, either. Everything I've talked about comes from scholars who have researched these matters extensively. All I have done in my posts is compile the various predictions from different sources and made note of how much the predictions seem to match up with current events.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Barbarossa

    I know the Jews are extremely into numerology and have been for a very long time. I’m curious how many failed expected prophecies dates have been projected by Jewish scholars over the past couple thousand years.

    I’m curious of the batting average compared to Christian projections, since as far as I can tell the world hasn’t ended yet despite many confident predictions.

    What religions need are baseball card formatted information allowing one to quickly check the track record on this sort of stuff!

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Barbarossa


    I’m curious how many failed expected prophecies dates have been projected by Jewish scholars over the past couple thousand years
     
    I would estimate several billion

    I’m curious how many failed expected prophecies dates have been projected by Jewish scholars over the past couple thousand years

     

    Meh. I've been calling for a recession since early 2022. It still hasn't happened (I actually think it began in Oct but officially we aren't in one yet). Eventually it will. It will be the same with the Redemption
  280. @Sean
    I think the lack of large scale swift maneuvers is not because of weather but rather as the Ukrainian military commander said the other day because modern surveillance capabilities mean surprise is no longer possible and both sides have realised how to get real time targeting and easily destroy the other's attacking formations before they have made much headway. Let us define a Russian win as Ukraine officially conceding it has lost currently occupied territory forever after and seeking an peace treaty with terms recognising the occupied territories as part of Russia.

    As Mearsheimer said the other day. no matter who is in the White House, the US's protégée Ukraine making any concession to losing the easternmost parts of the country in return for peace would be such a shattering blow to America's global prestige that no president could possibly acquiesce in it. True victory might have been attained last year but Ukraine failed to follow up its successes in a timely manner, and now the Russians are, if not skillful, stubborn in defence.

    A Korean war type ending without an official peace treaty is the most likely outcome and that will let America and Russia retain the status they enjoyed prior to 2022. Anyone in the White House (or the Kremlin) will see their country's status in the world as worth battling to almost the last extremity for. No occupant of the White house can let Russia 'win'. Neither can anyone in the Kremlin let Russia be defeated. It is not existential so much as a a pissing contest. . All sounds so futile. Yet ultimately status is an indispensable survival tool, which is why countries that have been around a while set so much store by it. Russia cannot be defeated and Ukraine backed by the US can not be beaten either. There is no prolonging or shortening what was always going to be a long war between two closely related peoples with a lot of grit.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @sudden death, @A123, @AP, @Mikhail, @LatW

    Let us define a Russian win as Ukraine officially conceding it has lost currently occupied territory forever after and seeking an peace treaty with terms recognising the occupied territories as part of Russia.

    I assume your scenario means no NATO membership for Ukraine, but EU integration can proceed?

    Well, there are two ways of considering whether a war is won or lost:

    1. Were the original objectives made?

    2. Is each combatant better off?

    By (1) it’s a Russian loss, on balance.

    Russia demanded: demilitirazition, “deNazification” (combination of regime change and Russian control of Ukraine’s educational policy, politics, etc.), no NATO status retained, Ukraine joining Eurasian Customs Union rather than EU (not a formal demand but what a pro-Russian puppet government would have obviously done), Russian language, recognition of Crimea and Donbas as Russian.

    Russia will get a far more militarized Ukraine with a far more formidable military, far more nationalistic and anti-Russian policy within Ukraine, closer ties to EU, NATO expansion in the Baltic, militarization of rival Poland. It probably loses the $300 billion in foreign currency reserves that the West took. Russia keeps a little of what it already had (no NATO in Ukraine, Crimea and Donbas) but merely formalizes and makes permanent this status. It gains, as a consolation prize relative to its failed goals, the Crimea corridor.

    By (2) both are worse off in the short and medium term. It’s lose-lose. In addition to failing most of its goals, Russia has demilitarized itself, lost the oil and gas business in Europe, lost influence in Central Asia to China and/or Turkey, lost 100,000s of young people. It gained the Crimean corridor but this will lose population and will not be as valuable because it (as well as Crimea) are no longer irrigated and won’t be for many years.

    Ukraine will have lost territory and millions of people (millions will return, but millions will not). But this will at least be balanced by integration with EU, restoration of the economy, sense of national cohesion, etc.

    Five to ten years after peace, both countries will probably be ok if there are no further wars.

    USA and China win, EU loses a little.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    EU loses a little.
     
    I'd actually argue that the EU gains a bit from integrating Ukraine as well as all of the Ukrainians who have already moved to the EU (and there are millions of them). The EU would benefit from the infusion of a couple dozen million high-quality European human capital, even if the process of integrating Ukraine into the EU will be relatively expensive due to Ukraine being Albania-level poor and much, much more populous than Albania is.
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    BTW, AP, what do you think that Ukraine's TFR will be in the post-war years?

  281. @LondonBob
    @AP

    Russians look like they have taken light casualties in Avdeevka, certainly not what was expected when attacking such a highly fortified area.

    Replies: @AP

    LOL, based on the Duran?

  282. @Mikhail
    Contrary to what GW said, The Duran doesn't appear to be anti-Israeli:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2kmUSibd1s

    The dwarf tyrant Zelensky is on his way out:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct3mXJOuvlY

    Project Ukraine has been a resounding flop.

    The latest Carlson-Greenwald exchange concerns the likes of Dersh and Desantis:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zpXh1QHdjQ

    So much for the BBC BS about Russia launching an unprovoked aggression which indiscriminately attacks civilians. Related is Brandon saying Hamas needs to learn to shoot straight (a mocking reference to the questionable claim that a Hamas rocket hit a Gaza hospital). In actuality, the Kiev regime hit targets on several occasions which killed civilians, with Western mass media initially pointing the finger at Russia. To date, Russia has done a better job than Israel in substantiating civilian infrastructure being used as human shields.

    On the matter of hate and feeling threatened, is it safer to fly the Russian flag over the Ukrainian, Israeli and Palestinian flags? Does World Athletics (track & field) have a blanket ban on Israeli, Ukrainian and Palestinian athletes which even prohibit them to compete as neutrals? Has the IOC banned the Israeli, Ukrainian and Palestinian flags and anthems? Some others can be banned as well under the same faulty logic being applied to Russia.

    Related -

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/05072023-cancel-the-2024-paris-summer-olympics-idea-oped/

    Replies: @AP

    Scott Ritter as successful moron-magnet and moron-detection device never fails.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack, Mr. XYZ, A123
    • LOL: John Johnson
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP

    Pure projection on your part.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @A123
    @AP


    Scott Ritter as successful moron-magnet and moron-detection device never fails.
     
    Ritter was a failed "hypersonic weapons" fan boy in 2021 (or earlier). His highly problematic personal issues have been distributed widely.

    A broken clock is right twice a day. Ritter being correct is a accident.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. Hack

  283. @AP
    @Mikhail

    Scott Ritter as successful moron-magnet and moron-detection device never fails.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @A123

    Pure projection on your part.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Pure projection on your part.

    Ritter told us that if Israel invades Gaza it will be bigger than the Battle of Fallujah. He described some upcoming epic battle that will tie down the IDF.

    Here in reality they're collapsing the tunnels and shrugging. Hamas is being wiped out and the IDF can take their time. Tunnels are terrible for defending against an enemy that is above ground. They can work against artillery if dug properly but not if actual troops are at the entrances. I think Israel has gone too far but it's really not my problem and I'm not surprise. As long as Biden doesn't announce Muslim refugees coming to America I really don't care.

    I think Ritter attracts people with a 2 week memory.

    SO LEMME TELL YOU ABOUT HOW UKRAINE IS DOOMED

    (2 weeks later)

    SO LEMME TELL YOU ABOUT HOW UKRAINE IS DOOMED

    Replies: @Mikhail

  284. @Sean
    I think the lack of large scale swift maneuvers is not because of weather but rather as the Ukrainian military commander said the other day because modern surveillance capabilities mean surprise is no longer possible and both sides have realised how to get real time targeting and easily destroy the other's attacking formations before they have made much headway. Let us define a Russian win as Ukraine officially conceding it has lost currently occupied territory forever after and seeking an peace treaty with terms recognising the occupied territories as part of Russia.

    As Mearsheimer said the other day. no matter who is in the White House, the US's protégée Ukraine making any concession to losing the easternmost parts of the country in return for peace would be such a shattering blow to America's global prestige that no president could possibly acquiesce in it. True victory might have been attained last year but Ukraine failed to follow up its successes in a timely manner, and now the Russians are, if not skillful, stubborn in defence.

    A Korean war type ending without an official peace treaty is the most likely outcome and that will let America and Russia retain the status they enjoyed prior to 2022. Anyone in the White House (or the Kremlin) will see their country's status in the world as worth battling to almost the last extremity for. No occupant of the White house can let Russia 'win'. Neither can anyone in the Kremlin let Russia be defeated. It is not existential so much as a a pissing contest. . All sounds so futile. Yet ultimately status is an indispensable survival tool, which is why countries that have been around a while set so much store by it. Russia cannot be defeated and Ukraine backed by the US can not be beaten either. There is no prolonging or shortening what was always going to be a long war between two closely related peoples with a lot of grit.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @sudden death, @A123, @AP, @Mikhail, @LatW

    As Mearsheimer said the other day. no matter who is in the White House, the US’s protégée Ukraine making any concession to losing the easternmost parts of the country in return for peace would be such a shattering blow to America’s global prestige that no president could possibly acquiesce in it. True victory might have been attained last year but Ukraine failed to follow up its successes in a timely manner, and now the Russians are, if not skillful, stubborn in defence.

    A Korean war type ending without an official peace treaty is the most likely outcome and that will let America and Russia retain the status they enjoyed prior to 2022. Anyone in the White House (or the Kremlin) will see their country’s status in the world as worth battling to almost the last extremity for. No occupant of the White house can let Russia ‘win’. Neither can anyone in the Kremlin let Russia be defeated. It is not existential so much as a a pissing contest. . All sounds so futile. Yet ultimately status is an indispensable survival tool, which is why countries that have been around a while set so much store by it. Russia cannot be defeated and Ukraine backed by the US can not be beaten either. There is no prolonging or shortening what was always going to be a long war between two closely related peoples with a lot of grit.

    Obama was right back in 2016 when he said that Ukraine means more to Russia than America. Brandon, Blinken and Nuland won’t be around in top slots forever. With pressing domestic concerns, the US public is understandably not so gung ho on supporting the corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced Kiev regime, which has blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.

    Since 2/24/22 Russia has done comparatively better than the collective West. Russia isn’t losing and will not lose. On the future of Ukraine, note how Chechnya has gone from being a haven of anti-Russian extremism to a more reasoned and peaceful entity.

    Related –

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/22102023-answering-biden-on-russia-ukraine-and-israel-palestine-oped/

  285. @Barbarossa
    @Greasy William

    I know the Jews are extremely into numerology and have been for a very long time. I'm curious how many failed expected prophecies dates have been projected by Jewish scholars over the past couple thousand years.

    I'm curious of the batting average compared to Christian projections, since as far as I can tell the world hasn't ended yet despite many confident predictions.

    What religions need are baseball card formatted information allowing one to quickly check the track record on this sort of stuff!

    Replies: @Greasy William

    I’m curious how many failed expected prophecies dates have been projected by Jewish scholars over the past couple thousand years

    I would estimate several billion

    I’m curious how many failed expected prophecies dates have been projected by Jewish scholars over the past couple thousand years

    Meh. I’ve been calling for a recession since early 2022. It still hasn’t happened (I actually think it began in Oct but officially we aren’t in one yet). Eventually it will. It will be the same with the Redemption

    • Thanks: Barbarossa
  286. @AP
    @songbird

    Most likely true. Status was generally achieved as a result of prowess in war (especially for the older families), and traits tend to be genetic.

    However it is not mindless or destructive violence such as among certain groups.

    Nobility also have higher intelligence on average. This selects against criminality. So the combination of propensity towards violence and higher intelligence/less criminality results in historically a lot of military officers, when military officers had higher status. Nowadays, this is no longer the case, but one sees a fair number of martial arts hobbyists and such. And unexpected situations, such as a university professor, head of a department in a STEM field, also an amateur boxer in his youth, who once managed to severely beat up a group of Puerto Ricans who tried to rob him.

    Replies: @songbird

    I believe the samurai are often considered to have been more hirsute than average. IIRC, Kurosawa’s father (from a samurai family) was mistaken for a Korean because of his hairiness and nearly lynched, before gaining control of the crowd using his deep voice. (Maybe, related to T?)

    Some different records appear to suggest that European nobles were indeed more criminally-prone – for a time – perhaps before genetically pacifying themselves.

    This article gives more details:

    [MORE]

    https://www.aporiamagazine.com/p/jailbirds-of-a-feather-flock-together

    I do wonder to what degree there might be selection bias, though. Presumably nobles were written about more, and maybe came naturally under more legal actions than normal folks.

    • Thanks: AP
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @songbird

    Before around the 16th century when they begin slow conversion to modern politicians and development of the modern state, the aristocrats in Europe are simply the most powerful mafia gangs, the most powerful hooligan families.

    This is still described in the time Shakespeare.

    For example, Montague and Capulets, which has as the origin the 15th century Italian story "Two Noble Lovers", are two mafia families of Verona, which is the same as the two ruling noble families of Verona.

    Today, Romeo and Juliet you could either show as something like "Bloods vs. Crips" or you could show it as "Clinton family vs Trump family".

    As the two modern professions of mafia and politician, are from the same branch of the tree in historical terms, to project the play to the future to either group would be possible.

    Replies: @songbird

  287. @Sean
    I think the lack of large scale swift maneuvers is not because of weather but rather as the Ukrainian military commander said the other day because modern surveillance capabilities mean surprise is no longer possible and both sides have realised how to get real time targeting and easily destroy the other's attacking formations before they have made much headway. Let us define a Russian win as Ukraine officially conceding it has lost currently occupied territory forever after and seeking an peace treaty with terms recognising the occupied territories as part of Russia.

    As Mearsheimer said the other day. no matter who is in the White House, the US's protégée Ukraine making any concession to losing the easternmost parts of the country in return for peace would be such a shattering blow to America's global prestige that no president could possibly acquiesce in it. True victory might have been attained last year but Ukraine failed to follow up its successes in a timely manner, and now the Russians are, if not skillful, stubborn in defence.

    A Korean war type ending without an official peace treaty is the most likely outcome and that will let America and Russia retain the status they enjoyed prior to 2022. Anyone in the White House (or the Kremlin) will see their country's status in the world as worth battling to almost the last extremity for. No occupant of the White house can let Russia 'win'. Neither can anyone in the Kremlin let Russia be defeated. It is not existential so much as a a pissing contest. . All sounds so futile. Yet ultimately status is an indispensable survival tool, which is why countries that have been around a while set so much store by it. Russia cannot be defeated and Ukraine backed by the US can not be beaten either. There is no prolonging or shortening what was always going to be a long war between two closely related peoples with a lot of grit.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @sudden death, @A123, @AP, @Mikhail, @LatW

    True victory might have been attained last year but Ukraine failed to follow up its successes in a timely manner, and now the Russians are, if not skillful, stubborn in defence.

    From what can be gleaned from the comments of Ukrainian analysts and the military on the ground, it appears that Zaluzhny never received all of the weapons he had requested and in the amount that was needed. Thus the war was not finished last year not because “Ukraine failed to follow up its successes” but because Ukraine was not provided the means for that. It’s the failure of the pro-Ukrainian coalition, not Ukraine. It is a bit weird to assume that Ukraine should’ve just “followed up on successes” such as the Kharkiv operation when the terrain and Russian troop placements were completely different there than in the south. Timing is everything and delaying help allowed the Russians to get over the initial shock and prepare much better to continue the war.

    The White House deliberately decided to prolong the war.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @LatW

    Not a rocketry expert myself, but wonder if ATACAMS, which are relatively more simple/dumb than newer UK/FR made SCALP missiles, would have been able to fly through all the multilayered RF air defense intact network in the south at the start of summer?

    If not, then the delay till autumn, waiting for depletion of that southern area air defense network might have been technically reasonable and justified decision.

    Replies: @sudden death

  288. @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    "We was Kangz!"

    Sorry, but that was low hanging fruit.

    Replies: @songbird

    I once knew a Nigerian who seemed to earnestly believe that Europans had screwed Africans over by drawing arbitrary borders, and that a better model would have been old kingdoms or empires.

    Seems pretty naive to me, but I do wonder where the best place to put the Windsors might be.

    [MORE]

  289. @LatW
    @Sean


    True victory might have been attained last year but Ukraine failed to follow up its successes in a timely manner, and now the Russians are, if not skillful, stubborn in defence.
     
    From what can be gleaned from the comments of Ukrainian analysts and the military on the ground, it appears that Zaluzhny never received all of the weapons he had requested and in the amount that was needed. Thus the war was not finished last year not because "Ukraine failed to follow up its successes" but because Ukraine was not provided the means for that. It's the failure of the pro-Ukrainian coalition, not Ukraine. It is a bit weird to assume that Ukraine should've just "followed up on successes" such as the Kharkiv operation when the terrain and Russian troop placements were completely different there than in the south. Timing is everything and delaying help allowed the Russians to get over the initial shock and prepare much better to continue the war.

    The White House deliberately decided to prolong the war.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Not a rocketry expert myself, but wonder if ATACAMS, which are relatively more simple/dumb than newer UK/FR made SCALP missiles, would have been able to fly through all the multilayered RF air defense intact network in the south at the start of summer?

    If not, then the delay till autumn, waiting for depletion of that southern area air defense network might have been technically reasonable and justified decision.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @sudden death

    Might be direct effect of those autumn ATACAMS strikes on RF helicopter airfields, if truly confirmed, also most likely means that RF military export/servicing capabilities of this specific aircraft type are done at least near term for next few years:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-eLWpYWoAAPVyH.jpg

  290. @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    Well, at my age, I don't plan to start a new business nor am I personally looking for any new sales prospects, so I think that I'm okay. I generally shy away from topics dealing with politics or religion in the office, and have not felt any proselytizing efforts coming my way from them. There's an LDS church in my neighborhood, and I used to occasionally see the obligatory side by side young bicycle patrolmen riding around...not so much lately? Maybe they'll cut me some slack in the next world, as my perceptions of them in this one have been rather flattering. :-)

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Well, at my age, I don’t plan to start a new business nor am I personally looking for any new sales prospects, so I think that I’m okay.

    It doesn’t have to be a business to business contact.

    Hire them to remodel a bathroom and see what happens.

    I generally shy away from topics dealing with politics or religion in the office, and have not felt any proselytizing efforts coming my way from them.

    Well I do the same. I never bring up politics or religion at work and cringe when other people do it. Nothing more cringe than someone asking “What church do you go to?”.

    When I was in the city the liberal women in the office would actually complain about White men in earshot. I overheard stuff like “White mans world blah blah complain” and those same women were never seen dating Blacks or Hispanics. Ironically they never hired White men unless they absolutely had to. They would fly in minorities for management positions. The White men they hired for management were complete ass kissers.

    Maybe they’ll cut me some slack in the next world, as my perceptions of them in this one have been rather flattering.

    Maybe you can request that they put us on the same chain gang. We will have some good conversations.

    What I don’t get is where all the wives come from. The men get like a hundred wives on their new planet. God just creates them as full grown women?? Poof and here is another babe to slay? In the Mormon education cartoon they are all fit and blonde. Breasty as well.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    In addition to the "hundred women" that the men get, here are some other considerations that sound interesting too:

    https://youtu.be/-VKT4hrBTuk

    Replies: @John Johnson

  291. @songbird
    What do Sher Singh and AP think about the idea that the nobility were genetically more prone to violence?
    https://youtu.be/3-gyyYIamQE?si=9o5-vhuUqfmB48hQ

    Replies: @AP, @Barbarossa, @LatW

    This is a good video, thanks.

    Of course, poverty does not cause crime – large human populations have been poor for most of history and the majority have not been violent or criminal (on the contrary, most have been cooperative and well behaved).

    It’s possible that the original, maybe even pre-chieftain level “nobility” arose from extraordinary bold individuals who could’ve been a type of enforcer. Some were probably lucky (for not getting killed in some sort of a retaliation).

    In the Slavic domain (and in the Baltic, as well) – there is the so called druzhina, the prince’s retinue, or a group of elite knights (in the early Middle ages or during the so called viking age). The Varangians / the Varyag. These are traditions that we have the knowledge and some record of, but do we really know how groups similar to druzhina behaved in a more distant past? I’m not assuming that they were necessarily overly brutal or unjust, but they must have been a kind of a violent enforcer (which may have involved borderline theft). I’d say, “military prowess” sounds like a very cleaned up way of describing it (although not untrue).

    And interesting linguistic aspect – druzhina comes from the word drug (friend, fellow), but in Ukrainian, it can also be related to ‘marriage’ (e.g., wife is druzhina, odruzheniy means ‘married’).

    With the Norse, there is a similar connection – the name for their bodyguards was hird (could be related to German heirat). So possibly in the old times this was already connected to marriage and being connected “to the house” (as in, the House, meaning some kind of a rich and successful group or homestead). Maybe that’s how noble marriages and lineages started.

    From Wiki:

    The term comes from Old Norse hirð, (meaning Herd) again from either Old English hir(e)d ‘household, family, retinue, court’ or perhaps the old German cognate heirat ‘marriage’, both of which can mean “body of men” or more directly linked to the term for hearthguard, or men of one’s own home and hearth.

    These days a druzhina is simply a small (or not so small) voluntary militia.

    (And, yes, some criminals, even petty thieves, can be quite smart, in a special, intuitive, “non-bookish” way. Also, just because someone is a bit thuggish, doesn’t mean they are dumb or completely primitive. The mafia men have to be calculating and be able to act swiftly and smartly, not to mention understand psychology well.)

    “Ay, my brave brothers,
    Test strength with strength.
    Be known for thy good deeds,
    Live with an honest heart!

    A beautiful sun shines,
    The skies are clear.
    On my native land –
    A mighty druzhina stands!”

    Ай, вы, братцы-молодцы,
    Силой мерьте силушку,
    Добрым делом
    славьтесь вы,
    Сердцем, правдою живите!

    А то солнце красное,
    А то небо ясное,
    Во Земле родимой,
    Крепкая Дружина!

    (c) Ruyan

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LatW

    Thanks, I am always interested in potential word relationships.


    And interesting linguistic aspect – druzhina comes from the word drug (friend, fellow),
     
    I know this word, from this song:
    https://youtu.be/6z8o7qAIlIU?si=-kWgXDA6MLB1U3YJ

    And I've long been curious about exactly how it entered into the German lexicon. Criminal immigrants gangs I presume, but were there really that many Georgians (I would guess) living in Germany before the Wall fell? Or perhaps it could come from Gypsies?

    BTW, I was reading up on the Venetian nobility and very surprised to learn that it was illegal for them to marry outside their class. (This surprises me as their status doesn't seem like it was connected to land.)

    Unfortunately, there don't seem to be many surviving court records from medieval Ireland. But I do recall hearing of one case involving a feud between Normans which seemed to have a really shocking level of brutality, one apparently targeting the prebuscent daughter of the other. But perhaps that was really outside the norms, and why it survives.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW

    , @AP
    @LatW


    In the Slavic domain (and in the Baltic, as well) – there is the so called druzhina, the prince’s retinue, or a group of elite knights (in the early Middle ages or during the so called viking age). The Varangians / the Varyag. These are traditions that we have the knowledge and some record of, but do we really know how groups similar to druzhina behaved in a more distant past?
     
    In Ukrainian lands, the oldest nobility arose from druzhina, Rus princes (adventurous Norse and Wendish soldiers/pirates/traders), knights, and and boyars (Slavic chieftain families). Presumably the latter needed to be both bold and diplomatic - and violent, when necessary - to achieve their positions. The numbers were augmented over time as others distinguished themselves, often on the battlefield. One of my lines, Vankovich, descend from a Rus soldier (in what is now Belarus) called Vanko who was ennobled by Kęstutis of Lithuania in the 14th century as a reward for doing well in some battle (perhaps, against the Muscovites). This family would produce a castellan of Minsk. Most became Polonized, the most famous of whom was famous artist who made the best known portrait of Adam Mickiewicz:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walenty_Wa%C5%84kowicz

    A branch of this family moved to what is now Galicia and mixed with the local Rus there. They became Ukrainian nationalists. So ironically the Ukrainian and Polish branches were fighting each other in 1919.

    Hundreds of noble families in Galicia bear the Sas coat of arms. These are supposedly descended from a large number of Transylvanian Saxon knights who were invited by King Daniel of Galicia in the 13th century to fight the Mongols in exchange for lands in Galicia (though my grandmother and most of my relatives from one of these families looked rather Mediterranean, so maybe they were in fact Romanians).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sas_coat_of_arms

    The mother of king Sobieski of Poland belonged to one of these families, a family who were governors of Rus. As do the Kulchytskys (a common family in the American Ukrainian diaspora, though their most famous member was the guy who introduced coffee to the Viennese).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerzy_Franciszek_Kulczycki

    I’m not assuming that they were necessarily overly brutal or unjust, but they must have been a kind of a violent enforcer (which may have involved borderline theft). I’d say, “military prowess” sounds like a very cleaned up way of describing it (although not untrue)
     
    Violence would not have been enough - those who were both violent and stupid and unskilled would not have lasted long and would not have left behind any heirs. Likewise those who were indiscriminently violent and brutal such that others would just kill them off for their own safety.

    Replies: @LatW

  292. @Mikhail
    @AP

    Pure projection on your part.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Pure projection on your part.

    Ritter told us that if Israel invades Gaza it will be bigger than the Battle of Fallujah. He described some upcoming epic battle that will tie down the IDF.

    Here in reality they’re collapsing the tunnels and shrugging. Hamas is being wiped out and the IDF can take their time. Tunnels are terrible for defending against an enemy that is above ground. They can work against artillery if dug properly but not if actual troops are at the entrances. I think Israel has gone too far but it’s really not my problem and I’m not surprise. As long as Biden doesn’t announce Muslim refugees coming to America I really don’t care.

    I think Ritter attracts people with a 2 week memory.

    SO LEMME TELL YOU ABOUT HOW UKRAINE IS DOOMED

    (2 weeks later)

    SO LEMME TELL YOU ABOUT HOW UKRAINE IS DOOMED

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    Just a matter of time in the case of the Kiev regime. Agnostic about Israel-Palestine. The Israelis should prevail. However, they lack having a viable Palestinian political grouping to make a lasting peace with. Much of that is Israel's fault. Putin pushed the right buttons on Chechnya:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/22102023-answering-biden-on-russia-ukraine-and-israel-palestine-oped/

    Then again, it's easier for Russia to acknowledge a past wrongdoing with the Chechens, Ingush and Crimean Tatars, when compared to the Israeli action of 1947-48.

  293. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...forced to attack on two fronts: Both the Finnish front and the Baltic States front. Russia would have to split its forces in such a scenario.
     
    In an open Nato-Russia war it would go nuclear very quickly - the ruminations about fronts and mined sea lines would be irrelevant.

    What matters is the distance to each target. Helsinki being very close would be taken out in the first wave with St.Petersburg, Warsaw, Berlin...maybe that's actually a good thing for them...:)

    The difference is that Helsinki in 2021 had a 50-50 chance of being spared - if they stayed out. Also Vienna, Stockholm, Zurich, Dublin...the Finns moved themselves up front, eager beavers that they are. Or is it lemmings? I get them confused.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Would Russia really want to get annihilated? After all, in any NATO-Russia war, NATO would simply seek to return to the status quo ante bellum, not to conquer Russia or to overthrow the Russian regime (though it would be pleased if the Russian people or Russian military themselves did that afterwards).

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ

    Does anyone really want to get annihilated?


    in any NATO-Russia war, NATO would simply seek to return to the status quo ante bellum, not to conquer Russia or to overthrow the Russian regime
     
    What does that mean? What status would Nato seek to return to? Ukraine as neutral or in Nato?

    The plans and open talk about the conquest of Russia are very common in the West. They may not reflect the official policy, but these days nobody can be sure - any potential target like Russia would take all that loose talk into account. And placing Nato in Ukraine is an act of war as far as Russia is concerned. We may get annihilated because of a combination of mindless boasting by the West and Russian security paranoia.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ

  294. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    First map is kind of fishy. Why is Switzerland so low? The same as Italy? Poland seems high.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Not sure about Switzerland, TBH. As for Poland, a lot of Polish citizen women (especially Jewish women) were also murdered in the Holocaust, so the sex ratio for Polish WWII losses was probably less severely tilted against men than it was in the Soviet Union or even in Germany. German women weren’t killed in WWII in large numbers, after all (there weren’t all that many German Jewish women relative to Polish Jewish women). And while Soviet women were killed in WWII in large numbers (or, alternatively, died from famines), the USSR lost many more men than even Germany did. (It also probably helped that Polish men did not die in combat in WWII in extremely massive numbers like German and Soviet men did. There were no millions of Polish men getting killed in combat, after all.)

    I’ll try to find an answer for Switzerland, but I think that my Polish explanation above is reasonable. Poland lost a lot of women in addition to its men, so its middle-aged male-female sex ratio in 1950 was less bad than Germany’s or the Soviet Union’s. BTW, this might also be why Belarus’s ratio is a bit better than Russia’s and Ukraine’s is: Belarusian women might have suffered more under Nazi occupation than both Russian and Ukrainian women did.

    This map itself is from here, specifically from Greg Cochran’s blog WestHunter:

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2019/02/24/good-excuse/

  295. A Slavic prince with his druzhina after hunting.

    [MORE]

    A Rus’ version of a dedication to start commemorating for the Veteran’s Day…

    • Replies: @AP
    @LatW

    The princes were Norsemen.

  296. @John Johnson
    @Mr. Hack

    Well, at my age, I don’t plan to start a new business nor am I personally looking for any new sales prospects, so I think that I’m okay.

    It doesn't have to be a business to business contact.

    Hire them to remodel a bathroom and see what happens.

    I generally shy away from topics dealing with politics or religion in the office, and have not felt any proselytizing efforts coming my way from them.

    Well I do the same. I never bring up politics or religion at work and cringe when other people do it. Nothing more cringe than someone asking "What church do you go to?".

    When I was in the city the liberal women in the office would actually complain about White men in earshot. I overheard stuff like "White mans world blah blah complain" and those same women were never seen dating Blacks or Hispanics. Ironically they never hired White men unless they absolutely had to. They would fly in minorities for management positions. The White men they hired for management were complete ass kissers.

    Maybe they’ll cut me some slack in the next world, as my perceptions of them in this one have been rather flattering.

    Maybe you can request that they put us on the same chain gang. We will have some good conversations.

    What I don't get is where all the wives come from. The men get like a hundred wives on their new planet. God just creates them as full grown women?? Poof and here is another babe to slay? In the Mormon education cartoon they are all fit and blonde. Breasty as well.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    In addition to the “hundred women” that the men get, here are some other considerations that sound interesting too:

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. Hack

    In addition to the “hundred women” that the men get, here are some other considerations that sound interesting too:

    Funny video. I actually didn't know about the secret handshakes. I wish they expanded on the afterlife and what happens to everyone else.

    I live in a nice neighborhood and they are always coming here. They give us big smiles and act very respectful when I answer the door.

    One day I was helping a someone about a mile away in a smaller neighborhood. I was clearing some brush by the side of the road and looked pretty dirty. Two Mormons doing their knock patrol walked by and didn't even look at me. I smiled and nodded but they walked by with a snobbish attitude. I'm sure they assumed I was a laborer doing my job. Really pissed me off. When I stand in front my house they have such nice things to say.

    It's a money focused cult. They think volunteering means knocking on the doors of nice houses to find people with income. Once I answered the door in a tank top while holding a beer. They asked "are you the home owner?" with a bit of disdain. I laughed but wasn't surprised. They can be very resentful. Their religion tells them that they will do well financially if they follow Mormon rules. You could see the look of disappointment when I said "yea it's my house" and sipped my beer. I told them I'm not interested and shut the door. Another time I got one to admit he gets his own planet with slaves in the afterlife. Of course he didn't want to talk about the slaves part. He was clearly very uncomfortable talking about his own religion. They walk around assuming we don't know any of it. We're just a bunch of rubes.

    The real beliefs of Mormons and JWs need to be exposed. The arrogance of both groups needs to be taken down from 11 to about a 2.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mikel

  297. @sudden death
    @Beckow

    Unfortunately atm was not able to find the original mentioned Soviet document from 1965 on the net, so journo written interpretation indeed leaves you some opportunity to weasel out, but hopefully sometime later will be able to locate the primary text in order to return to this;)

    Replies: @Beckow

    Well, good luck. But 1965? What is that supposed to mean? Frankly quoting some very old early Cold War contingency plans is a bit retarded. It has nothing to do with today.

  298. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Would Russia really want to get annihilated? After all, in any NATO-Russia war, NATO would simply seek to return to the status quo ante bellum, not to conquer Russia or to overthrow the Russian regime (though it would be pleased if the Russian people or Russian military themselves did that afterwards).

    Replies: @Beckow

    Does anyone really want to get annihilated?

    in any NATO-Russia war, NATO would simply seek to return to the status quo ante bellum, not to conquer Russia or to overthrow the Russian regime

    What does that mean? What status would Nato seek to return to? Ukraine as neutral or in Nato?

    The plans and open talk about the conquest of Russia are very common in the West. They may not reflect the official policy, but these days nobody can be sure – any potential target like Russia would take all that loose talk into account. And placing Nato in Ukraine is an act of war as far as Russia is concerned. We may get annihilated because of a combination of mindless boasting by the West and Russian security paranoia.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    The plans and open talk about the conquest of Russia are very common in the West.

    I've never seen any and I was reading over 200 articles a month. Not as many now as I am again busy with work.

    Let's see some sources.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    As John Johnson said, who exactly in the West is actually advocating in favor of conquering Russia nowadays? I'm sure that some or even many Westerners fantasize about regime change in Russia, but again, they're envisioning it as an internal transformation, not an external one. Why the fuck would the West want to spark a nuclear war with Russia?


    And placing Nato in Ukraine is an act of war as far as Russia is concerned.
     
    Then Ukraine can have its own nuclear deterrent instead, similar to what John Mearsheimer (whom Russia loves to quote when he's critical of NATO expansion) advocated back in 1993. Ukraine needs some way to protect itself, after all. And if this is acceptable to a NATO skeptic, then Russia can at least grudgingly tolerate it. Or would Russia prefer to deal with Ukraine through Washington and Berlin rather than through Kiev directly?

    Replies: @Beckow

  299. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow

    Did you not notice the old Hapsburg states were voting with US and Israel at the UN last week? If that was merely a coincidence it was a ghostly coincidence. Maybe they think they don't count and they were doing it for a Halloween funny?

    Replies: @Beckow

    …the old Hapsburg states were voting with US and Israel at the UN last week

    The region has always had a lot of mental issues. But the votes probably reflect the relative lack of Middle Eastern migrants in those countries.

  300. @LatW
    @songbird

    This is a good video, thanks.

    Of course, poverty does not cause crime - large human populations have been poor for most of history and the majority have not been violent or criminal (on the contrary, most have been cooperative and well behaved).

    It's possible that the original, maybe even pre-chieftain level "nobility" arose from extraordinary bold individuals who could've been a type of enforcer. Some were probably lucky (for not getting killed in some sort of a retaliation).

    In the Slavic domain (and in the Baltic, as well) - there is the so called druzhina, the prince's retinue, or a group of elite knights (in the early Middle ages or during the so called viking age). The Varangians / the Varyag. These are traditions that we have the knowledge and some record of, but do we really know how groups similar to druzhina behaved in a more distant past? I'm not assuming that they were necessarily overly brutal or unjust, but they must have been a kind of a violent enforcer (which may have involved borderline theft). I'd say, "military prowess" sounds like a very cleaned up way of describing it (although not untrue).

    And interesting linguistic aspect - druzhina comes from the word drug (friend, fellow), but in Ukrainian, it can also be related to 'marriage' (e.g., wife is druzhina, odruzheniy means 'married').

    With the Norse, there is a similar connection - the name for their bodyguards was hird (could be related to German heirat). So possibly in the old times this was already connected to marriage and being connected "to the house" (as in, the House, meaning some kind of a rich and successful group or homestead). Maybe that's how noble marriages and lineages started.

    From Wiki:


    The term comes from Old Norse hirð, (meaning Herd) again from either Old English hir(e)d 'household, family, retinue, court' or perhaps the old German cognate heirat 'marriage', both of which can mean "body of men" or more directly linked to the term for hearthguard, or men of one's own home and hearth.
     
    These days a druzhina is simply a small (or not so small) voluntary militia.

    (And, yes, some criminals, even petty thieves, can be quite smart, in a special, intuitive, "non-bookish" way. Also, just because someone is a bit thuggish, doesn't mean they are dumb or completely primitive. The mafia men have to be calculating and be able to act swiftly and smartly, not to mention understand psychology well.)

    "Ay, my brave brothers,
    Test strength with strength.
    Be known for thy good deeds,
    Live with an honest heart!

    A beautiful sun shines,
    The skies are clear.
    On my native land -
    A mighty druzhina stands!"

    Ай, вы, братцы-молодцы,
    Силой мерьте силушку,
    Добрым делом
    славьтесь вы,
    Сердцем, правдою живите!

    А то солнце красное,
    А то небо ясное,
    Во Земле родимой,
    Крепкая Дружина!


    (c) Ruyan

    Replies: @songbird, @AP

    Thanks, I am always interested in potential word relationships.

    And interesting linguistic aspect – druzhina comes from the word drug (friend, fellow),

    I know this word, from this song:

    [MORE]

    And I’ve long been curious about exactly how it entered into the German lexicon. Criminal immigrants gangs I presume, but were there really that many Georgians (I would guess) living in Germany before the Wall fell? Or perhaps it could come from Gypsies?

    BTW, I was reading up on the Venetian nobility and very surprised to learn that it was illegal for them to marry outside their class. (This surprises me as their status doesn’t seem like it was connected to land.)

    Unfortunately, there don’t seem to be many surviving court records from medieval Ireland. But I do recall hearing of one case involving a feud between Normans which seemed to have a really shocking level of brutality, one apparently targeting the prebuscent daughter of the other. But perhaps that was really outside the norms, and why it survives.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Venetian history is absolutely the best.

    Execution of the Doge

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Delacroix_-_The_Execution_of_the_Doge_Marino_Faliero%2C_1825_-_1826.jpg/790px-Delacroix_-_The_Execution_of_the_Doge_Marino_Faliero%2C_1825_-_1826.jpg

    , @LatW
    @songbird


    And I’ve long been curious about exactly how it entered into the German lexicon.
     
    From Clockwork Orange maybe?

    But it's a grotesque exaggeration - at least in the movie, I could not watch the movie at all, because of how awfully aloof and obnoxious those gangs were, especially the gang leader who seemed really unnatural behaving. He was cold and cruel but in a weird way that I found too creepy.


    BTW, I was reading up on the Venetian nobility and very surprised to learn that it was illegal for them to marry outside their class. (This surprises me as their status doesn’t seem like it was connected to land.)
     
    See that's where I think one can see some kind of a connection with druzhina (as marriage or "house" related, and heirat related). It can mean both "friend" (I guess, fellow bandit as in the Clockwork Orange context) and a "house guard" of some sort. A hearth guard. Meaning, the one who guards the homestead of the chieftain, or something like that probably.

    Unfortunately, there don’t seem to be many surviving court records from medieval Ireland. But I do recall hearing of one case involving a feud between Normans which seemed to have a really shocking level of brutality, one apparently targeting the prebuscent daughter of the other. But perhaps that was really outside the norms, and why it survives.
     
    Well, that it is outside of any norms of humanity but who knows if this happened, I doubt it was common. Don't know about Irish, but in ancient Germanic law, they had a whole set of punishments based on who was killed or hurt - life was ot equally valuable, but based on age, etc. I think murdering a young woman received a more grave punishment than other types of murder.

    Replies: @songbird

  301. @songbird
    @LatW

    Thanks, I am always interested in potential word relationships.


    And interesting linguistic aspect – druzhina comes from the word drug (friend, fellow),
     
    I know this word, from this song:
    https://youtu.be/6z8o7qAIlIU?si=-kWgXDA6MLB1U3YJ

    And I've long been curious about exactly how it entered into the German lexicon. Criminal immigrants gangs I presume, but were there really that many Georgians (I would guess) living in Germany before the Wall fell? Or perhaps it could come from Gypsies?

    BTW, I was reading up on the Venetian nobility and very surprised to learn that it was illegal for them to marry outside their class. (This surprises me as their status doesn't seem like it was connected to land.)

    Unfortunately, there don't seem to be many surviving court records from medieval Ireland. But I do recall hearing of one case involving a feud between Normans which seemed to have a really shocking level of brutality, one apparently targeting the prebuscent daughter of the other. But perhaps that was really outside the norms, and why it survives.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW

    Venetian history is absolutely the best.

    Execution of the Doge

    • Thanks: songbird, LatW
  302. @songbird
    @LatW

    Thanks, I am always interested in potential word relationships.


    And interesting linguistic aspect – druzhina comes from the word drug (friend, fellow),
     
    I know this word, from this song:
    https://youtu.be/6z8o7qAIlIU?si=-kWgXDA6MLB1U3YJ

    And I've long been curious about exactly how it entered into the German lexicon. Criminal immigrants gangs I presume, but were there really that many Georgians (I would guess) living in Germany before the Wall fell? Or perhaps it could come from Gypsies?

    BTW, I was reading up on the Venetian nobility and very surprised to learn that it was illegal for them to marry outside their class. (This surprises me as their status doesn't seem like it was connected to land.)

    Unfortunately, there don't seem to be many surviving court records from medieval Ireland. But I do recall hearing of one case involving a feud between Normans which seemed to have a really shocking level of brutality, one apparently targeting the prebuscent daughter of the other. But perhaps that was really outside the norms, and why it survives.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW

    And I’ve long been curious about exactly how it entered into the German lexicon.

    From Clockwork Orange maybe?

    But it’s a grotesque exaggeration – at least in the movie, I could not watch the movie at all, because of how awfully aloof and obnoxious those gangs were, especially the gang leader who seemed really unnatural behaving. He was cold and cruel but in a weird way that I found too creepy.

    BTW, I was reading up on the Venetian nobility and very surprised to learn that it was illegal for them to marry outside their class. (This surprises me as their status doesn’t seem like it was connected to land.)

    See that’s where I think one can see some kind of a connection with druzhina (as marriage or “house” related, and heirat related). It can mean both “friend” (I guess, fellow bandit as in the Clockwork Orange context) and a “house guard” of some sort. A hearth guard. Meaning, the one who guards the homestead of the chieftain, or something like that probably.

    Unfortunately, there don’t seem to be many surviving court records from medieval Ireland. But I do recall hearing of one case involving a feud between Normans which seemed to have a really shocking level of brutality, one apparently targeting the prebuscent daughter of the other. But perhaps that was really outside the norms, and why it survives.

    Well, that it is outside of any norms of humanity but who knows if this happened, I doubt it was common. Don’t know about Irish, but in ancient Germanic law, they had a whole set of punishments based on who was killed or hurt – life was ot equally valuable, but based on age, etc. I think murdering a young woman received a more grave punishment than other types of murder.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LatW


    From Clockwork Orange maybe?
     
    Ah, that does make sense. I guess it is not real slang so much as some term that Burgess invented in his novel - some kind of scifi Russified English.

    I never saw much of the movie, as it didn't really appeal to me. I had a hard time seeing past any idea that it was supposed to be shocking and pushing the boundaries.

    I thought Verhoeven's movie Flesh and Blood (medieval theme) very much like that. Though to hear him go on about it, you would think he considered himself a great philosopher.

    Well, that it is outside of any norms of humanity but who knows if this happened
     
    the shocking thing about it is that there seems to have been several people with the head of the family (sons? Retainers?) who did nothing.
  303. ….the old Hapsburg states were voting with US and Israel at the UN last week

    actually not all of them, Slovenia voted in favour of Resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza….

  304. @LatW
    @songbird

    This is a good video, thanks.

    Of course, poverty does not cause crime - large human populations have been poor for most of history and the majority have not been violent or criminal (on the contrary, most have been cooperative and well behaved).

    It's possible that the original, maybe even pre-chieftain level "nobility" arose from extraordinary bold individuals who could've been a type of enforcer. Some were probably lucky (for not getting killed in some sort of a retaliation).

    In the Slavic domain (and in the Baltic, as well) - there is the so called druzhina, the prince's retinue, or a group of elite knights (in the early Middle ages or during the so called viking age). The Varangians / the Varyag. These are traditions that we have the knowledge and some record of, but do we really know how groups similar to druzhina behaved in a more distant past? I'm not assuming that they were necessarily overly brutal or unjust, but they must have been a kind of a violent enforcer (which may have involved borderline theft). I'd say, "military prowess" sounds like a very cleaned up way of describing it (although not untrue).

    And interesting linguistic aspect - druzhina comes from the word drug (friend, fellow), but in Ukrainian, it can also be related to 'marriage' (e.g., wife is druzhina, odruzheniy means 'married').

    With the Norse, there is a similar connection - the name for their bodyguards was hird (could be related to German heirat). So possibly in the old times this was already connected to marriage and being connected "to the house" (as in, the House, meaning some kind of a rich and successful group or homestead). Maybe that's how noble marriages and lineages started.

    From Wiki:


    The term comes from Old Norse hirð, (meaning Herd) again from either Old English hir(e)d 'household, family, retinue, court' or perhaps the old German cognate heirat 'marriage', both of which can mean "body of men" or more directly linked to the term for hearthguard, or men of one's own home and hearth.
     
    These days a druzhina is simply a small (or not so small) voluntary militia.

    (And, yes, some criminals, even petty thieves, can be quite smart, in a special, intuitive, "non-bookish" way. Also, just because someone is a bit thuggish, doesn't mean they are dumb or completely primitive. The mafia men have to be calculating and be able to act swiftly and smartly, not to mention understand psychology well.)

    "Ay, my brave brothers,
    Test strength with strength.
    Be known for thy good deeds,
    Live with an honest heart!

    A beautiful sun shines,
    The skies are clear.
    On my native land -
    A mighty druzhina stands!"

    Ай, вы, братцы-молодцы,
    Силой мерьте силушку,
    Добрым делом
    славьтесь вы,
    Сердцем, правдою живите!

    А то солнце красное,
    А то небо ясное,
    Во Земле родимой,
    Крепкая Дружина!


    (c) Ruyan

    Replies: @songbird, @AP

    In the Slavic domain (and in the Baltic, as well) – there is the so called druzhina, the prince’s retinue, or a group of elite knights (in the early Middle ages or during the so called viking age). The Varangians / the Varyag. These are traditions that we have the knowledge and some record of, but do we really know how groups similar to druzhina behaved in a more distant past?

    In Ukrainian lands, the oldest nobility arose from druzhina, Rus princes (adventurous Norse and Wendish soldiers/pirates/traders), knights, and and boyars (Slavic chieftain families). Presumably the latter needed to be both bold and diplomatic – and violent, when necessary – to achieve their positions. The numbers were augmented over time as others distinguished themselves, often on the battlefield. One of my lines, Vankovich, descend from a Rus soldier (in what is now Belarus) called Vanko who was ennobled by Kęstutis of Lithuania in the 14th century as a reward for doing well in some battle (perhaps, against the Muscovites). This family would produce a castellan of Minsk. Most became Polonized, the most famous of whom was famous artist who made the best known portrait of Adam Mickiewicz:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walenty_Wa%C5%84kowicz

    A branch of this family moved to what is now Galicia and mixed with the local Rus there. They became Ukrainian nationalists. So ironically the Ukrainian and Polish branches were fighting each other in 1919.

    Hundreds of noble families in Galicia bear the Sas coat of arms. These are supposedly descended from a large number of Transylvanian Saxon knights who were invited by King Daniel of Galicia in the 13th century to fight the Mongols in exchange for lands in Galicia (though my grandmother and most of my relatives from one of these families looked rather Mediterranean, so maybe they were in fact Romanians).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sas_coat_of_arms

    The mother of king Sobieski of Poland belonged to one of these families, a family who were governors of Rus. As do the Kulchytskys (a common family in the American Ukrainian diaspora, though their most famous member was the guy who introduced coffee to the Viennese).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerzy_Franciszek_Kulczycki

    I’m not assuming that they were necessarily overly brutal or unjust, but they must have been a kind of a violent enforcer (which may have involved borderline theft). I’d say, “military prowess” sounds like a very cleaned up way of describing it (although not untrue)

    Violence would not have been enough – those who were both violent and stupid and unskilled would not have lasted long and would not have left behind any heirs. Likewise those who were indiscriminently violent and brutal such that others would just kill them off for their own safety.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @AP


    One of my lines, Vankovich, descend from a Rus soldier (in what is now Belarus) called Vanko who was ennobled by Kęstutis of Lithuania in the 14th century as a reward for doing well in some battle (perhaps, against the Muscovites).
     
    That is quite remarkable, since Kestutis (or Keistut, as the E.Slavs call him) was the son of Gediminas and the father of Vytautas (who led the Lithuanians to victory in the Battle of Grunwald and who controlled much of Ruthenia and apparently even had a castle or a fort in Crimea).

    Kestutis was extremely important in holding back the Knights from the Rus' and Lithuanian lands (he was a good diplomat, apparently a smooth talker who could also show some sudden ruthlessness, if needed, btw, his name could mean "the one who can bear a lot"). At the time the Lithuanians had to fight on both sides, and the Lithuanian dukes were the gatherers of the Rus' lands in the true sense of this term.

    I have visited the wonderful and romantic castle of Trakai (the home of the Lithuanian dukes) but have not had a chance to visit the Kreva castle (where Kestutis and Vytautas were held during the feuds and where the prenuptial was signed for Jogaila and Jadwiga). There is also the Dubno castle in Ukraine where Prince Ostrogski lived.

    The famous painting of the Battle of Grunwald by Polish painter Jan Matejko (with Vytautas in the middle):

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Jan_Matejko%2C_Bitwa_pod_Grunwaldem.jpg

    Replies: @sudden death

  305. @LatW
    A Slavic prince with his druzhina after hunting.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Monomakh%27s_hunting.jpg


    A Rus' version of a dedication to start commemorating for the Veteran's Day...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnp9EvSEJfY

    Replies: @AP

    The princes were Norsemen.

  306. @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    In addition to the "hundred women" that the men get, here are some other considerations that sound interesting too:

    https://youtu.be/-VKT4hrBTuk

    Replies: @John Johnson

    In addition to the “hundred women” that the men get, here are some other considerations that sound interesting too:

    Funny video. I actually didn’t know about the secret handshakes. I wish they expanded on the afterlife and what happens to everyone else.

    I live in a nice neighborhood and they are always coming here. They give us big smiles and act very respectful when I answer the door.

    One day I was helping a someone about a mile away in a smaller neighborhood. I was clearing some brush by the side of the road and looked pretty dirty. Two Mormons doing their knock patrol walked by and didn’t even look at me. I smiled and nodded but they walked by with a snobbish attitude. I’m sure they assumed I was a laborer doing my job. Really pissed me off. When I stand in front my house they have such nice things to say.

    It’s a money focused cult. They think volunteering means knocking on the doors of nice houses to find people with income. Once I answered the door in a tank top while holding a beer. They asked “are you the home owner?” with a bit of disdain. I laughed but wasn’t surprised. They can be very resentful. Their religion tells them that they will do well financially if they follow Mormon rules. You could see the look of disappointment when I said “yea it’s my house” and sipped my beer. I told them I’m not interested and shut the door. Another time I got one to admit he gets his own planet with slaves in the afterlife. Of course he didn’t want to talk about the slaves part. He was clearly very uncomfortable talking about his own religion. They walk around assuming we don’t know any of it. We’re just a bunch of rubes.

    The real beliefs of Mormons and JWs need to be exposed. The arrogance of both groups needs to be taken down from 11 to about a 2.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    The JW's used to visit here quite a bit. Thankfully, they've eased off for the last couple of years. They'd always seem to knock on my door on a Saturday morning, just when I was coming out of the shower or even just after I had completed my husbandly duties. Glad that they're not bothering me anymore. :-)

    , @Mikel
    @John Johnson

    I know that your anti-Mormon faith is stronger than Mormons' faith in Joseph Smith but there is this state in the US called Utah. It's actually full of Mormons and they are, if anything, over-represented in all state institutions. If half of what you keep saying about Mormons was true, Utah would be an apartheid state where Mormons would swindle, take advantage of and discriminate against those of us non-Mormons living among them. However, we all live in remarkable harmony. Nothing of the like is visible at all in everyday life. In fact, I've spent at least half a year in half a dozen European countries and Utah is undoubtedly the highest trust society I've ever lived in, especially the Mormon-heavy areas. Neighbors know and take care of each other and Mormons and non-Mormons interact all the time as employers, employees, co-workers, customers and suppliers. In 10 years I've never witnessed an act of discrimination beyond what would be normal in any other place and I strongly suspect that swindles and discrimination are more prevalent in most other states.

    However, next time I have a chat with one of my good Mormon neighbors I'll ask them if they consider me their space slave. I hope you don't mind me having some laughs at your expense.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  307. @AP
    @Sean


    Let us define a Russian win as Ukraine officially conceding it has lost currently occupied territory forever after and seeking an peace treaty with terms recognising the occupied territories as part of Russia.
     
    I assume your scenario means no NATO membership for Ukraine, but EU integration can proceed?

    Well, there are two ways of considering whether a war is won or lost:

    1. Were the original objectives made?

    2. Is each combatant better off?

    By (1) it's a Russian loss, on balance.

    Russia demanded: demilitirazition, "deNazification" (combination of regime change and Russian control of Ukraine's educational policy, politics, etc.), no NATO status retained, Ukraine joining Eurasian Customs Union rather than EU (not a formal demand but what a pro-Russian puppet government would have obviously done), Russian language, recognition of Crimea and Donbas as Russian.

    Russia will get a far more militarized Ukraine with a far more formidable military, far more nationalistic and anti-Russian policy within Ukraine, closer ties to EU, NATO expansion in the Baltic, militarization of rival Poland. It probably loses the $300 billion in foreign currency reserves that the West took. Russia keeps a little of what it already had (no NATO in Ukraine, Crimea and Donbas) but merely formalizes and makes permanent this status. It gains, as a consolation prize relative to its failed goals, the Crimea corridor.

    By (2) both are worse off in the short and medium term. It's lose-lose. In addition to failing most of its goals, Russia has demilitarized itself, lost the oil and gas business in Europe, lost influence in Central Asia to China and/or Turkey, lost 100,000s of young people. It gained the Crimean corridor but this will lose population and will not be as valuable because it (as well as Crimea) are no longer irrigated and won't be for many years.

    Ukraine will have lost territory and millions of people (millions will return, but millions will not). But this will at least be balanced by integration with EU, restoration of the economy, sense of national cohesion, etc.

    Five to ten years after peace, both countries will probably be ok if there are no further wars.

    USA and China win, EU loses a little.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    EU loses a little.

    I’d actually argue that the EU gains a bit from integrating Ukraine as well as all of the Ukrainians who have already moved to the EU (and there are millions of them). The EU would benefit from the infusion of a couple dozen million high-quality European human capital, even if the process of integrating Ukraine into the EU will be relatively expensive due to Ukraine being Albania-level poor and much, much more populous than Albania is.

  308. @AP
    @Mikhail

    Scott Ritter as successful moron-magnet and moron-detection device never fails.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @A123

    Scott Ritter as successful moron-magnet and moron-detection device never fails.

    Ritter was a failed “hypersonic weapons” fan boy in 2021 (or earlier). His highly problematic personal issues have been distributed widely.

    A broken clock is right twice a day. Ritter being correct is a accident.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    Ritter was a failed “hypersonic weapons” fan boy in 2021 (or earlier). His highly problematic personal issues have been distributed widely.

    His fans don't like it when someone brings up his criminal history but it is very relevant as it helps explain his bias.

    At some point he made a conscious decision to be the "American military voice" in Russian media.

    That decision is related to his conviction.

    He would happily be the military expert on CNN but he is blacklisted in America media.

    It is very well possible that he deludes himself on this matter. But in any case he has basically thrown in with Russia.

    I really don't get the appeal of MacGregor or Ritter. I wouldn't want a sports analyst to tell me that my favorite team is super awesome and does everything right. I have never heard MacGregor name a single thing that the Ukrainians have done right. The military analysts on CNN have talked about how Russia has built excellent defenses and can still win by a war of attrition. It's a myth that CNN or Fox maintains their own MacGregors.

    But I guess some people just want a self-described expert to tell them nighty-night stories about how everything is fine so they feel better.  It's the intellectual equivalent of a massage parlor hand job.

    The Duran is a little more interesting and seems like a human. MacGregor does these UKRAINE IS DOOOOOMED rants and it's annoying to watch some wimp interview him who doesn't have the balls to ask about his past predictions. It's just as canned as CNN.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    A broken clock is right twice a day. Ritter being correct is a accident.
     
    Actually, Ritter reminds me a lot of you.

    BTW, I notice that you didn't go through with your threat to place AP on "ignore", even though he never bought your BS about the "water rights" issue of the Crimeans, as I originally took you to task for. I must have really shown the world how specious your claims really were in this regard, for I'm still banished to your "ignore" world forever and ever...oh boo hoo. :-)

    https://www.toonpool.com/user/12400/files/putin_paddelt_sich_frei_2190235.jpg
    "Things will need to be patched up before they return to normal"...or
    "Look before you leap (or leave)."

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  309. @LatW
    @songbird


    And I’ve long been curious about exactly how it entered into the German lexicon.
     
    From Clockwork Orange maybe?

    But it's a grotesque exaggeration - at least in the movie, I could not watch the movie at all, because of how awfully aloof and obnoxious those gangs were, especially the gang leader who seemed really unnatural behaving. He was cold and cruel but in a weird way that I found too creepy.


    BTW, I was reading up on the Venetian nobility and very surprised to learn that it was illegal for them to marry outside their class. (This surprises me as their status doesn’t seem like it was connected to land.)
     
    See that's where I think one can see some kind of a connection with druzhina (as marriage or "house" related, and heirat related). It can mean both "friend" (I guess, fellow bandit as in the Clockwork Orange context) and a "house guard" of some sort. A hearth guard. Meaning, the one who guards the homestead of the chieftain, or something like that probably.

    Unfortunately, there don’t seem to be many surviving court records from medieval Ireland. But I do recall hearing of one case involving a feud between Normans which seemed to have a really shocking level of brutality, one apparently targeting the prebuscent daughter of the other. But perhaps that was really outside the norms, and why it survives.
     
    Well, that it is outside of any norms of humanity but who knows if this happened, I doubt it was common. Don't know about Irish, but in ancient Germanic law, they had a whole set of punishments based on who was killed or hurt - life was ot equally valuable, but based on age, etc. I think murdering a young woman received a more grave punishment than other types of murder.

    Replies: @songbird

    From Clockwork Orange maybe?

    Ah, that does make sense. I guess it is not real slang so much as some term that Burgess invented in his novel – some kind of scifi Russified English.

    I never saw much of the movie, as it didn’t really appeal to me. I had a hard time seeing past any idea that it was supposed to be shocking and pushing the boundaries.

    I thought Verhoeven’s movie Flesh and Blood (medieval theme) very much like that. Though to hear him go on about it, you would think he considered himself a great philosopher.

    Well, that it is outside of any norms of humanity but who knows if this happened

    the shocking thing about it is that there seems to have been several people with the head of the family (sons? Retainers?) who did nothing.

  310. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ

    Does anyone really want to get annihilated?


    in any NATO-Russia war, NATO would simply seek to return to the status quo ante bellum, not to conquer Russia or to overthrow the Russian regime
     
    What does that mean? What status would Nato seek to return to? Ukraine as neutral or in Nato?

    The plans and open talk about the conquest of Russia are very common in the West. They may not reflect the official policy, but these days nobody can be sure - any potential target like Russia would take all that loose talk into account. And placing Nato in Ukraine is an act of war as far as Russia is concerned. We may get annihilated because of a combination of mindless boasting by the West and Russian security paranoia.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ

    The plans and open talk about the conquest of Russia are very common in the West.

    I’ve never seen any and I was reading over 200 articles a month. Not as many now as I am again busy with work.

    Let’s see some sources.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    Everyone from Biden to UK leaders, and their barking poodles in the Baltic-Poland has talked about the "regime change" in Russia. Some like senator Graham talked about killing Putin and articles in professional journals discussed how to defeat Russia or split it up, stage an internal uprising (in Wash Post this week), put the leaders in trial...what the hell do you think that means? Is it all just a clown-show?

    You are in the business of denying what is obvious to any observer. You do it by playing childish word games, deny what "change" means in this context, escape into obscurantism. None of that matters: from the Russian point view Nato is surrounding them, staged the coup in Kiev, attacked the Russian minority, EU ignored its "values" with the Baltic Russians, and there were open specific plans for getting Kiev into Nato. Was all of that really only a mindless collection of accidents and mistakes?

    What would any other country worth its name do when being surrounded and its people bullied?

  311. @Mikel
    @AP


    They claim asylum from gang warfare
     
    I believe some have claimed asylum for domestic violence at home. A guy I once hired told me that he spent a year in the Venezuelan army because he thought that would improve his chances of getting asylum once he made it to the US: become a member of the repressive forces so that you can better pretend to be a genuine defector of the regime later on.

    I know for a fact that there's also a tremendous amount of money involved in all this. You don't leave Venezuela without first checking what the going rate at the Mexican port of entry is. Coyotes at the border need their cut too and the laws of demand and supply keep raising it.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Seems like there should be more opportunities for Latin Americans to come to the US legally so that they don’t have to rely on coyotes to get here illegally, no? That, and the US should accept many more cognitively elitist immigrants from the entire world. They occasionally have their bad apples (see this guy: https://www.newsweek.com/who-loay-alnaji-pro-palestinian-accused-killing-paul-kessler-demonstration-california-1842207 ), but generally they assimilate pretty well, as do most Latin Americans in general (even the working-class ones).

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Mr. XYZ


    Seems like there should be more opportunities for Latin Americans to come to the US legally so that they don’t have to rely on coyotes to get here illegally, no?
     
    Well of course dude!

    Cramming in useless latrino deadheads by the multimillions each year is a terrible plan when the entrants arrive illegally.

    But legalizing the entry of useless latrino deadheads by the multimillions each year solves every known problem caused by their presence.

    It's simply a brilliant idea.

    In fact, it's a very close second to my own preferred plan of action, which is to issue on-the-spot death penalties for immigration-boosting fruitcakes like you.
    , @Mikel
    @Mr. XYZ

    What would you say is a bigger obsession for you, bringing in more immigrants to the US and Europe or legalizing sex dolls for pedos?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  312. @A123
    @AP


    Scott Ritter as successful moron-magnet and moron-detection device never fails.
     
    Ritter was a failed "hypersonic weapons" fan boy in 2021 (or earlier). His highly problematic personal issues have been distributed widely.

    A broken clock is right twice a day. Ritter being correct is a accident.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. Hack

    Ritter was a failed “hypersonic weapons” fan boy in 2021 (or earlier). His highly problematic personal issues have been distributed widely.

    His fans don’t like it when someone brings up his criminal history but it is very relevant as it helps explain his bias.

    At some point he made a conscious decision to be the “American military voice” in Russian media.

    That decision is related to his conviction.

    He would happily be the military expert on CNN but he is blacklisted in America media.

    It is very well possible that he deludes himself on this matter. But in any case he has basically thrown in with Russia.

    I really don’t get the appeal of MacGregor or Ritter. I wouldn’t want a sports analyst to tell me that my favorite team is super awesome and does everything right. I have never heard MacGregor name a single thing that the Ukrainians have done right. The military analysts on CNN have talked about how Russia has built excellent defenses and can still win by a war of attrition. It’s a myth that CNN or Fox maintains their own MacGregors.

    But I guess some people just want a self-described expert to tell them nighty-night stories about how everything is fine so they feel better.  It’s the intellectual equivalent of a massage parlor hand job.

    The Duran is a little more interesting and seems like a human. MacGregor does these UKRAINE IS DOOOOOMED rants and it’s annoying to watch some wimp interview him who doesn’t have the balls to ask about his past predictions. It’s just as canned as CNN.

  313. @AP
    @silviosilver


    From your own, rather eccentric, catholic supremacist point of view perhaps.
     
    It was bad regardless.

    A branch of the Serbian state armed, trained and sent a terrorist to murder the heir to the throne (who also killed his wife).

    Imagine if a country did that to the president-elect of any modern country. It's an act of war. Austria's response to what Serbia did was completely justified.

    From the point of view of, roughly, the entire field of international relations, it’s simply understood, amorally , that Russia had an interest in preventing further Austrian expansion into the balkans
     
    Perhaps so, but this meant a direct war with two superpowers and given the alliance system French involvement also. So Russia's action meant automatic pan-European war. Not justified.

    but far more costly for Russia than was Austria punishing Serbia for Austria.

    For the Russian people, certainly. For the respective regimes, it was equally ruinous. In terms of territorial losses, the “Russians” fared far better.
     
    Correct on the first two points (though the Hapsburgs themselves fared much, much better than did the Romanovs who were brutally murdered in some cellar).

    The third is more complicated - both countries ended up splitting up along ethnic lines, but the German part of Austria simply happened to be tiny compared to the Russian portion of the Russian Empire. I suppose the loss of south Tyrolese and the Sudeten Germans to the ethnic Austrian state may have relatively been greater than the loss of Russians in Kazakhstan, Baltics and Ukraine (even with Crimea and Donbas back) to the post-Soviet Russian state but I wouldn't describe it as a much greater advantage.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @silviosilver

    It was bad regardless.

    A branch of the Serbian state armed, trained and sent a terrorist to murder the heir to the throne (who also killed his wife).

    Imagine if a country did that to the president-elect of any modern country. It’s an act of war. Austria’s response to what Serbia did was completely justified.

    There’s actually a hypothesis that the Serbian intelligence service simply wanted to scare Franz Ferdinand and his wife (and thus to scare Austria-Hungary in general) rather than to kill them, which is why they hired a bunch of amateurs for the task, many of whom were still teenagers, including Princip. Why not hire professional snipers for this task instead? Or would that have made Serbia’s intelligence service even more likely to get caught?

    The source for this hypothesis is this article:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20231110225005/https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/11/12/what-everyone-gets-wrong-about-start-world-war-i/

    [MORE]

    On June 2, Pasic resigned and a military takeover seemed imminent until the powerful Russian ambassador, backed by France, restored the prime minister to preserve his Balkan policy. The government had prevailed over its archenemy Apis, though only with foreign support and without a full-on defeat of the Black Hand. Such was the precarious state of affairs in Serbia at the same time the assassins received their weapons, on May 27.

    This backdrop raises the tantalizing question: Did Apis arm the young Bosnians not to destabilize Austria-Hungary, but to overthrow his own government? This is exactly what Apis’s associate, Maj. Vojislav Tankosic, asserted after his arrest. If true, then for the Black Hand leader at least, the Sarajevo conspiracy was about Serbian domestic politics rather than international terrorism. After all, wrote one Serb minister, Apis “did everything he could in May 1914 to overthrow the Pasic administration.” An assassination attempt on the Austro-Hungarian heir with weapons from a Serbian military arsenal might well have done the trick.

    That begs another provocative question: Did Apis actually want the conspiracy to succeed? Or rather, was he expecting the inexperienced Bosnians to fail in the hope that an assassination attempt, with its links to Serbia, would anger the Austrians enough to gain international support for Pasic’s removal?

    Tellingly, every Austro-Hungarian report on the Black Hand from November 1911 through June 1914 emphasized the group’s threat to its own government rather than to Austria-Hungary. None of the empire’s diplomatic correspondence after the assassination, including its belligerent July 23 ultimatum to Serbia, so much as mentioned the Black Hand. If the Austrians failed to connect their intelligence on the Black Hand to the plot against Franz Ferdinand, perhaps that’s because Apis’s motive in arming the Bosnians was less obvious and intentional than we presume.

    This is supported by the fact that Apis, like Pasic (whose government has never been implicated in the assassination), did not want war with Austria-Hungary in 1914. In the wake of the costly Balkan Wars, Serbia hardly needed another military conflict, let alone one with a European great power 10 times its size. This is often cited as the reason that Apis organized the assassination — fear that the heir’s visit was a foil for an attack on Serbia. But a successful conspiracy with roots in Serbia was more likely to provoke war than to prevent it, as we now know only too well. That helps to explain why, when other Black Hand members heard of the weapons handover, they forced Apis to call back the conspiracy. (By then it was too late, and the armed and ardent young Bosnians were not taking orders).

    This suggests that Apis did not expect the Sarajevo conspiracy to succeed, just as previous attempts by Bosnian youths to assassinate Austro-Hungarian leaders had all failed. Indeed, if he had wanted to kill the archduke, Apis could have deliberately recruited trained soldiers rather than recklessly arming the raw youths whom he not only had never met but also had assumed would face an insuperable security apparatus for the heir’s state visit to Sarajevo. Apis himself allegedly confided that he had wanted the Bosnians only to frighten Franz Ferdinand.

    Which means that the Sarajevo assassination was simply rotten luck. After the first of the seven assassins failed to act and the second’s bomb missed its mark, all but one “terrorist-fanatic” fled the scene: Gavrilo Princip. Standing at the corner where the cars were scheduled to turn off the main road, he faced no serious security apparatus. Incredibly, even after the bomb failed to do its job, policing was not enhanced. The imperial party merely altered its advertised route to remain on the main road. But the driver mistakenly took the turn, delivering the archduke directly into Princip’s path.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    There’s actually a hypothesis that the Serbian intelligence service simply wanted to scare Franz Ferdinand and his wife (and thus to scare Austria-Hungary in general) rather than to kill them, which is why they hired a bunch of amateurs for the task, many of whom were still teenagers, including Princip. Why not hire professional snipers for this task instead?
     
    An amateur increases the risk of something going wrong. If the plan is to deliberately scare someone, a professional would be a better man for the job.

    Princip was trained and armed.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  314. @A123
    @AP


    Scott Ritter as successful moron-magnet and moron-detection device never fails.
     
    Ritter was a failed "hypersonic weapons" fan boy in 2021 (or earlier). His highly problematic personal issues have been distributed widely.

    A broken clock is right twice a day. Ritter being correct is a accident.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. Hack

    A broken clock is right twice a day. Ritter being correct is a accident.

    Actually, Ritter reminds me a lot of you.

    BTW, I notice that you didn’t go through with your threat to place AP on “ignore”, even though he never bought your BS about the “water rights” issue of the Crimeans, as I originally took you to task for. I must have really shown the world how specious your claims really were in this regard, for I’m still banished to your “ignore” world forever and ever…oh boo hoo. 🙂

    “Things will need to be patched up before they return to normal”…or
    “Look before you leap (or leave).”

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. Hack

    The water rights argument I think was rather effectively addressed by AP and other Ukrainians, who compared the North Crimean Canal to a water pipeline that requires human operation. They argued that if water from a water pipeline initially stayed in one country but later moved from one country to another as a result of territorial changes, then the country where the water pipeline originated would be able to stop the operation of this water pipeline (except in a water emergency situation), especially if it and the other country could not agree on new terms for this water pipeline's operation, such as a payment plan for this water. A water pipeline and the North Crimean Canal are different from a river in the sense that a river does not require manmade operation. Hence, one can argue that rules that are applicable to rivers, such as not tampering with them or with their flows, are inapplicable to water pipelines and to canals.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack

  315. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    It was bad regardless.

    A branch of the Serbian state armed, trained and sent a terrorist to murder the heir to the throne (who also killed his wife).

    Imagine if a country did that to the president-elect of any modern country. It’s an act of war. Austria’s response to what Serbia did was completely justified.
     
    There's actually a hypothesis that the Serbian intelligence service simply wanted to scare Franz Ferdinand and his wife (and thus to scare Austria-Hungary in general) rather than to kill them, which is why they hired a bunch of amateurs for the task, many of whom were still teenagers, including Princip. Why not hire professional snipers for this task instead? Or would that have made Serbia's intelligence service even more likely to get caught?

    The source for this hypothesis is this article:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20231110225005/https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/11/12/what-everyone-gets-wrong-about-start-world-war-i/


    On June 2, Pasic resigned and a military takeover seemed imminent until the powerful Russian ambassador, backed by France, restored the prime minister to preserve his Balkan policy. The government had prevailed over its archenemy Apis, though only with foreign support and without a full-on defeat of the Black Hand. Such was the precarious state of affairs in Serbia at the same time the assassins received their weapons, on May 27.

    This backdrop raises the tantalizing question: Did Apis arm the young Bosnians not to destabilize Austria-Hungary, but to overthrow his own government? This is exactly what Apis’s associate, Maj. Vojislav Tankosic, asserted after his arrest. If true, then for the Black Hand leader at least, the Sarajevo conspiracy was about Serbian domestic politics rather than international terrorism. After all, wrote one Serb minister, Apis “did everything he could in May 1914 to overthrow the Pasic administration.” An assassination attempt on the Austro-Hungarian heir with weapons from a Serbian military arsenal might well have done the trick.

    That begs another provocative question: Did Apis actually want the conspiracy to succeed? Or rather, was he expecting the inexperienced Bosnians to fail in the hope that an assassination attempt, with its links to Serbia, would anger the Austrians enough to gain international support for Pasic’s removal?

    Tellingly, every Austro-Hungarian report on the Black Hand from November 1911 through June 1914 emphasized the group’s threat to its own government rather than to Austria-Hungary. None of the empire’s diplomatic correspondence after the assassination, including its belligerent July 23 ultimatum to Serbia, so much as mentioned the Black Hand. If the Austrians failed to connect their intelligence on the Black Hand to the plot against Franz Ferdinand, perhaps that’s because Apis’s motive in arming the Bosnians was less obvious and intentional than we presume.

    This is supported by the fact that Apis, like Pasic (whose government has never been implicated in the assassination), did not want war with Austria-Hungary in 1914. In the wake of the costly Balkan Wars, Serbia hardly needed another military conflict, let alone one with a European great power 10 times its size. This is often cited as the reason that Apis organized the assassination — fear that the heir’s visit was a foil for an attack on Serbia. But a successful conspiracy with roots in Serbia was more likely to provoke war than to prevent it, as we now know only too well. That helps to explain why, when other Black Hand members heard of the weapons handover, they forced Apis to call back the conspiracy. (By then it was too late, and the armed and ardent young Bosnians were not taking orders).

    This suggests that Apis did not expect the Sarajevo conspiracy to succeed, just as previous attempts by Bosnian youths to assassinate Austro-Hungarian leaders had all failed. Indeed, if he had wanted to kill the archduke, Apis could have deliberately recruited trained soldiers rather than recklessly arming the raw youths whom he not only had never met but also had assumed would face an insuperable security apparatus for the heir’s state visit to Sarajevo. Apis himself allegedly confided that he had wanted the Bosnians only to frighten Franz Ferdinand.

    Which means that the Sarajevo assassination was simply rotten luck. After the first of the seven assassins failed to act and the second’s bomb missed its mark, all but one “terrorist-fanatic” fled the scene: Gavrilo Princip. Standing at the corner where the cars were scheduled to turn off the main road, he faced no serious security apparatus. Incredibly, even after the bomb failed to do its job, policing was not enhanced. The imperial party merely altered its advertised route to remain on the main road. But the driver mistakenly took the turn, delivering the archduke directly into Princip’s path.
     

    Replies: @AP

    There’s actually a hypothesis that the Serbian intelligence service simply wanted to scare Franz Ferdinand and his wife (and thus to scare Austria-Hungary in general) rather than to kill them, which is why they hired a bunch of amateurs for the task, many of whom were still teenagers, including Princip. Why not hire professional snipers for this task instead?

    An amateur increases the risk of something going wrong. If the plan is to deliberately scare someone, a professional would be a better man for the job.

    Princip was trained and armed.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Well, Yeah, if the goal was to simply scare FF, then hiring someone who would deliberately miss would be better than hiring someone who is genuinely committed to killing FF, even if you don't actually think that they'll succeed in this task. Though it's worth noting that Austria-Hungary executed people aged 20 and above for murder (not sure about attempted murder, but maybe so as well?), so if one would have wanted to avoid having one's hitman get executed by Austria-Hungary, they would have needed to be 19 years or less. Princip avoided the death penalty because he was slightly less than one month short of his 20th birthday when he killed FF and his wife Sophie. This shows that Austria-Hungary had some commitment towards the rule of law and towards basic fairness and human decency (categorically not executing young people even for extremely horrendous crimes).

    Interestingly enough, while Princip was definitely a terrorist (albeit with methods that would probably be no worse than what Ukrainians themselves would have used had Russia successfully conquered Ukraine), he did have a rather romantic vision, even if subsequent reality showed it to work less well than Italy (Italy didn't eventually break up and descend into violent wars like Yugoslavia did):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavrilo_Princip

    "I am a Yugoslav nationalist, aiming for the unification of all Yugoslavs, and I do not care what form of state, but it must be free from Austria... The plan was to unite all South Slavs. It was understood that Serbia as the free part of the South Slavs had the moral duty to help in the unification, to be to the South Slavs as the Piedmont was to Italy... In my opinion every Serb, Croat and Slovene should be an enemy of Austria."

    — Gavrilo Princip to the courtroom.

    I suppose the mentality would be similar to Putin's (reunifying the East Slavic lands), except AFAIK, by 1918, Croats, Slovenes, and Bosniaks actually did likely want to become a part of Yugoslavia once it became clear that Austria-Hungary was no longer going to be viable. So, Princip's vision wasn't as hostile towards national self-determination as Putin's is.

    Such national unification projects, *if actually consensual*, can be rather romantic if they are achieved peacefully or at least relatively peacefully rather than through a World War. Makes one wonder whether we'll see any more such movements in the future. Maybe the Afghan Tajiks and Uzbeks could join their respective nation-states to the north if Taliban-ruled Afghanistan will remain a dump for decades and will eventually implode and break up, for instance?

    Replies: @AP

  316. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ

    Does anyone really want to get annihilated?


    in any NATO-Russia war, NATO would simply seek to return to the status quo ante bellum, not to conquer Russia or to overthrow the Russian regime
     
    What does that mean? What status would Nato seek to return to? Ukraine as neutral or in Nato?

    The plans and open talk about the conquest of Russia are very common in the West. They may not reflect the official policy, but these days nobody can be sure - any potential target like Russia would take all that loose talk into account. And placing Nato in Ukraine is an act of war as far as Russia is concerned. We may get annihilated because of a combination of mindless boasting by the West and Russian security paranoia.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ

    As John Johnson said, who exactly in the West is actually advocating in favor of conquering Russia nowadays? I’m sure that some or even many Westerners fantasize about regime change in Russia, but again, they’re envisioning it as an internal transformation, not an external one. Why the fuck would the West want to spark a nuclear war with Russia?

    And placing Nato in Ukraine is an act of war as far as Russia is concerned.

    Then Ukraine can have its own nuclear deterrent instead, similar to what John Mearsheimer (whom Russia loves to quote when he’s critical of NATO expansion) advocated back in 1993. Ukraine needs some way to protect itself, after all. And if this is acceptable to a NATO skeptic, then Russia can at least grudgingly tolerate it. Or would Russia prefer to deal with Ukraine through Washington and Berlin rather than through Kiev directly?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Then Ukraine can have its own nuclear deterrent instead
     
    That ship has sailed. In the 90's that was certainly a better option than the mindless expansion on Nato. But how would that happen now? With thousands of dead, deep hostilities and trigger happy desperate Kiev leaders it is will simply not happen. You reap what you saw, and Kiev has put itself into a corner - nobody including the US or UK - wants to see them anywhere close to nukes.

    Why the fuck would the West want to spark a nuclear war with Russia?
     
    I don't think they do. It started out as a cosmic-size bluff: many in the West were convinced that Russia wouldn't react. So they pushed and surrounded Russia, and when partially confronted - in Ossetia and Crimea - they doubled down. Russia called their bluff and now we are stuck because the West doesn't like to lose face. They are looking for a way out but want a decent period and some gestures so they can present it as a draw or at least not a total defeat. That's risky since they have very little left to play with.

    This is the result of letting blood-thirsty, inexperienced, revenge-seeking morons run the Western policy. It is one gigantic f...up. I hope we can find a way to walk away unscathed.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

  317. @John Johnson
    @Mr. Hack

    In addition to the “hundred women” that the men get, here are some other considerations that sound interesting too:

    Funny video. I actually didn't know about the secret handshakes. I wish they expanded on the afterlife and what happens to everyone else.

    I live in a nice neighborhood and they are always coming here. They give us big smiles and act very respectful when I answer the door.

    One day I was helping a someone about a mile away in a smaller neighborhood. I was clearing some brush by the side of the road and looked pretty dirty. Two Mormons doing their knock patrol walked by and didn't even look at me. I smiled and nodded but they walked by with a snobbish attitude. I'm sure they assumed I was a laborer doing my job. Really pissed me off. When I stand in front my house they have such nice things to say.

    It's a money focused cult. They think volunteering means knocking on the doors of nice houses to find people with income. Once I answered the door in a tank top while holding a beer. They asked "are you the home owner?" with a bit of disdain. I laughed but wasn't surprised. They can be very resentful. Their religion tells them that they will do well financially if they follow Mormon rules. You could see the look of disappointment when I said "yea it's my house" and sipped my beer. I told them I'm not interested and shut the door. Another time I got one to admit he gets his own planet with slaves in the afterlife. Of course he didn't want to talk about the slaves part. He was clearly very uncomfortable talking about his own religion. They walk around assuming we don't know any of it. We're just a bunch of rubes.

    The real beliefs of Mormons and JWs need to be exposed. The arrogance of both groups needs to be taken down from 11 to about a 2.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mikel

    The JW’s used to visit here quite a bit. Thankfully, they’ve eased off for the last couple of years. They’d always seem to knock on my door on a Saturday morning, just when I was coming out of the shower or even just after I had completed my husbandly duties. Glad that they’re not bothering me anymore. 🙂

  318. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Pure projection on your part.

    Ritter told us that if Israel invades Gaza it will be bigger than the Battle of Fallujah. He described some upcoming epic battle that will tie down the IDF.

    Here in reality they're collapsing the tunnels and shrugging. Hamas is being wiped out and the IDF can take their time. Tunnels are terrible for defending against an enemy that is above ground. They can work against artillery if dug properly but not if actual troops are at the entrances. I think Israel has gone too far but it's really not my problem and I'm not surprise. As long as Biden doesn't announce Muslim refugees coming to America I really don't care.

    I think Ritter attracts people with a 2 week memory.

    SO LEMME TELL YOU ABOUT HOW UKRAINE IS DOOMED

    (2 weeks later)

    SO LEMME TELL YOU ABOUT HOW UKRAINE IS DOOMED

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Just a matter of time in the case of the Kiev regime. Agnostic about Israel-Palestine. The Israelis should prevail. However, they lack having a viable Palestinian political grouping to make a lasting peace with. Much of that is Israel’s fault. Putin pushed the right buttons on Chechnya:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/22102023-answering-biden-on-russia-ukraine-and-israel-palestine-oped/

    Then again, it’s easier for Russia to acknowledge a past wrongdoing with the Chechens, Ingush and Crimean Tatars, when compared to the Israeli action of 1947-48.

  319. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    There’s actually a hypothesis that the Serbian intelligence service simply wanted to scare Franz Ferdinand and his wife (and thus to scare Austria-Hungary in general) rather than to kill them, which is why they hired a bunch of amateurs for the task, many of whom were still teenagers, including Princip. Why not hire professional snipers for this task instead?
     
    An amateur increases the risk of something going wrong. If the plan is to deliberately scare someone, a professional would be a better man for the job.

    Princip was trained and armed.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Well, Yeah, if the goal was to simply scare FF, then hiring someone who would deliberately miss would be better than hiring someone who is genuinely committed to killing FF, even if you don’t actually think that they’ll succeed in this task. Though it’s worth noting that Austria-Hungary executed people aged 20 and above for murder (not sure about attempted murder, but maybe so as well?), so if one would have wanted to avoid having one’s hitman get executed by Austria-Hungary, they would have needed to be 19 years or less. Princip avoided the death penalty because he was slightly less than one month short of his 20th birthday when he killed FF and his wife Sophie. This shows that Austria-Hungary had some commitment towards the rule of law and towards basic fairness and human decency (categorically not executing young people even for extremely horrendous crimes).

    Interestingly enough, while Princip was definitely a terrorist (albeit with methods that would probably be no worse than what Ukrainians themselves would have used had Russia successfully conquered Ukraine), he did have a rather romantic vision, even if subsequent reality showed it to work less well than Italy (Italy didn’t eventually break up and descend into violent wars like Yugoslavia did):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavrilo_Princip

    “I am a Yugoslav nationalist, aiming for the unification of all Yugoslavs, and I do not care what form of state, but it must be free from Austria… The plan was to unite all South Slavs. It was understood that Serbia as the free part of the South Slavs had the moral duty to help in the unification, to be to the South Slavs as the Piedmont was to Italy… In my opinion every Serb, Croat and Slovene should be an enemy of Austria.”

    — Gavrilo Princip to the courtroom.

    I suppose the mentality would be similar to Putin’s (reunifying the East Slavic lands), except AFAIK, by 1918, Croats, Slovenes, and Bosniaks actually did likely want to become a part of Yugoslavia once it became clear that Austria-Hungary was no longer going to be viable. So, Princip’s vision wasn’t as hostile towards national self-determination as Putin’s is.

    Such national unification projects, *if actually consensual*, can be rather romantic if they are achieved peacefully or at least relatively peacefully rather than through a World War. Makes one wonder whether we’ll see any more such movements in the future. Maybe the Afghan Tajiks and Uzbeks could join their respective nation-states to the north if Taliban-ruled Afghanistan will remain a dump for decades and will eventually implode and break up, for instance?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    I suppose the mentality would be similar to Putin’s (reunifying the East Slavic lands), except AFAIK, by 1918, Croats, Slovenes, and Bosniaks actually did likely want to become a part of Yugoslavia once it became clear that Austria-Hungary was no longer going to be viable
     
    I have no idea about this. Maybe? I do now that there were anti-Serbian riots in Sarajevo by Croats and Bosniaks after the assassination, and that there were anti-Serb Croat separatists who were involved in assassinating the Yugoslav (Serb) king, so it doesn't seem that Yugoslavia was more popular among Croats than was Austria-Hungary. But I don't know that part of the world well and could be wrong.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  320. @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    A broken clock is right twice a day. Ritter being correct is a accident.
     
    Actually, Ritter reminds me a lot of you.

    BTW, I notice that you didn't go through with your threat to place AP on "ignore", even though he never bought your BS about the "water rights" issue of the Crimeans, as I originally took you to task for. I must have really shown the world how specious your claims really were in this regard, for I'm still banished to your "ignore" world forever and ever...oh boo hoo. :-)

    https://www.toonpool.com/user/12400/files/putin_paddelt_sich_frei_2190235.jpg
    "Things will need to be patched up before they return to normal"...or
    "Look before you leap (or leave)."

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    The water rights argument I think was rather effectively addressed by AP and other Ukrainians, who compared the North Crimean Canal to a water pipeline that requires human operation. They argued that if water from a water pipeline initially stayed in one country but later moved from one country to another as a result of territorial changes, then the country where the water pipeline originated would be able to stop the operation of this water pipeline (except in a water emergency situation), especially if it and the other country could not agree on new terms for this water pipeline’s operation, such as a payment plan for this water. A water pipeline and the North Crimean Canal are different from a river in the sense that a river does not require manmade operation. Hence, one can argue that rules that are applicable to rivers, such as not tampering with them or with their flows, are inapplicable to water pipelines and to canals.

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @Mr. XYZ


    The water rights argument I think was rather effectively addressed by AP and other Ukrainians
     
    The Ukrainians conceded that the Punishment Dam was intentionally designed to harm Russian civilians. Then, they waved pieces of paper to claim that their immoral collective punishment was "legal". The Ukie Maximalists rejoiced & celebrated human suffering.

    They never addressed the concept that immoral "laws" are inherently void.

    To defend the people of Crimea, Russia has legitimately taken the water source. After the fighting ends, the inherently immoral collective punishment will be undone. Fresh water to Crimea will be guaranteed.

    What did Kiev get out of intentionally inflicting collective punishment on civilians?

    Objective analysis shows their reverence for targeting civilians has cost the Ukie extremists massive amounts of territory. They would have been better off being moral, rather than embracing immoral legalism. Too late now...

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ

    I believe that I first addressed this issue in depth with kremlinstoogeA123 some time ago and pointed out that his baseless bellyaching on this issue had already been addressed by European courts to no avail (for the Russian side). He must have felt threatened by my critique of his points, for soon afterwards he put me on "ignore" and started to portray himself as some sort of an armchair psychiatrist trying to cure me of my psychosis. He's a sore loser and acts like a child when he knows that he's wrong. I put some time and effort into my comments then and am not really interested in going through with this fruitless endeavor with him again.

    His portrayal of himself as some sort of omniscient arbiter of morality is quite funny, don't you think?

  321. @Barbarossa
    @A123

    All political indications point to "yes", LOL.

    More seriously though, I think that people obsessing over Revelations is a waste of time. Things will happen how they happen when they happen regardless of how much one worries over it. I refuse to give much spiritual/ brain space to worrying about the end of the world.

    Jesus gave plenty of actionable instructions on how to relate to others and God which should take way more precedence in people's minds than geeking out over prophecy, especially since 100% of those who have predicted the end of the world have been wrong thus far. Prophecy obsession can be a dangerous distraction for a lot of Christians.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    More seriously though, I think that people obsessing over Revelations is a waste of time. Things will happen how they happen when they happen regardless of how much one worries over it. I refuse to give much spiritual/ brain space to worrying about the end of the world.

    My favorite is Revelation-based prophecy is one I heard from Bart Ehrman, about a certain Edgar Whisenant, who wrote a book “88 Reasons Why The Rapture Will Be In 1988.” (Apparently it sold a couple million copies – I’m in the wrong biz!) He’d gotten the date of Jesus’s return down to from 11th to 13th September, 1988. When people pointed out that scripture said “no man knows the hour or the day of Christ’s return,” he replied, “I don’t know the hour or the day – I just know the week.” 🙂

  322. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. Hack

    The water rights argument I think was rather effectively addressed by AP and other Ukrainians, who compared the North Crimean Canal to a water pipeline that requires human operation. They argued that if water from a water pipeline initially stayed in one country but later moved from one country to another as a result of territorial changes, then the country where the water pipeline originated would be able to stop the operation of this water pipeline (except in a water emergency situation), especially if it and the other country could not agree on new terms for this water pipeline's operation, such as a payment plan for this water. A water pipeline and the North Crimean Canal are different from a river in the sense that a river does not require manmade operation. Hence, one can argue that rules that are applicable to rivers, such as not tampering with them or with their flows, are inapplicable to water pipelines and to canals.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack

    The water rights argument I think was rather effectively addressed by AP and other Ukrainians

    The Ukrainians conceded that the Punishment Dam was intentionally designed to harm Russian civilians. Then, they waved pieces of paper to claim that their immoral collective punishment was “legal”. The Ukie Maximalists rejoiced & celebrated human suffering.

    They never addressed the concept that immoral “laws” are inherently void.

    To defend the people of Crimea, Russia has legitimately taken the water source. After the fighting ends, the inherently immoral collective punishment will be undone. Fresh water to Crimea will be guaranteed.

    What did Kiev get out of intentionally inflicting collective punishment on civilians?

    Objective analysis shows their reverence for targeting civilians has cost the Ukie extremists massive amounts of territory. They would have been better off being moral, rather than embracing immoral legalism. Too late now…

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @A123

    Before February 2022, did Russia ever, you know, actually offer to adequately pay for Crimea's water in the form of a commercial transaction? Because that is a deal that I think that Ukraine should have accepted before the war.

    Replies: @A123

  323. @A123
    @Mr. XYZ


    The water rights argument I think was rather effectively addressed by AP and other Ukrainians
     
    The Ukrainians conceded that the Punishment Dam was intentionally designed to harm Russian civilians. Then, they waved pieces of paper to claim that their immoral collective punishment was "legal". The Ukie Maximalists rejoiced & celebrated human suffering.

    They never addressed the concept that immoral "laws" are inherently void.

    To defend the people of Crimea, Russia has legitimately taken the water source. After the fighting ends, the inherently immoral collective punishment will be undone. Fresh water to Crimea will be guaranteed.

    What did Kiev get out of intentionally inflicting collective punishment on civilians?

    Objective analysis shows their reverence for targeting civilians has cost the Ukie extremists massive amounts of territory. They would have been better off being moral, rather than embracing immoral legalism. Too late now...

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Before February 2022, did Russia ever, you know, actually offer to adequately pay for Crimea’s water in the form of a commercial transaction? Because that is a deal that I think that Ukraine should have accepted before the war.

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @Mr. XYZ

    Before February 2022, did Kiev ever, you know, actually offer to buy out Crimea’s legal & moral claim on water? If they offered enough, perhaps Russia would have accepted it before the war.

    Instead, Kiev behaved immorally, offered nothing, and inflicted collective punishment on Russian civilians.

    It goes back to something I have pointed out before:

    • Israel/Russia is good at creating moral facts on the ground to back their claims.
    • Ukie/Pali loses on the ground and grovels for immoral rescue from the UN/NWO.

    Guess what? The genuine morality of Russia/Israel is winning!

    PEACE 😇

  324. @Mr. XYZ
    @A123

    Before February 2022, did Russia ever, you know, actually offer to adequately pay for Crimea's water in the form of a commercial transaction? Because that is a deal that I think that Ukraine should have accepted before the war.

    Replies: @A123

    Before February 2022, did Kiev ever, you know, actually offer to buy out Crimea’s legal & moral claim on water? If they offered enough, perhaps Russia would have accepted it before the war.

    Instead, Kiev behaved immorally, offered nothing, and inflicted collective punishment on Russian civilians.

    It goes back to something I have pointed out before:

    • Israel/Russia is good at creating moral facts on the ground to back their claims.
    • Ukie/Pali loses on the ground and grovels for immoral rescue from the UN/NWO.

    Guess what? The genuine morality of Russia/Israel is winning!

    PEACE 😇

  325. @AP
    @Sean


    Let us define a Russian win as Ukraine officially conceding it has lost currently occupied territory forever after and seeking an peace treaty with terms recognising the occupied territories as part of Russia.
     
    I assume your scenario means no NATO membership for Ukraine, but EU integration can proceed?

    Well, there are two ways of considering whether a war is won or lost:

    1. Were the original objectives made?

    2. Is each combatant better off?

    By (1) it's a Russian loss, on balance.

    Russia demanded: demilitirazition, "deNazification" (combination of regime change and Russian control of Ukraine's educational policy, politics, etc.), no NATO status retained, Ukraine joining Eurasian Customs Union rather than EU (not a formal demand but what a pro-Russian puppet government would have obviously done), Russian language, recognition of Crimea and Donbas as Russian.

    Russia will get a far more militarized Ukraine with a far more formidable military, far more nationalistic and anti-Russian policy within Ukraine, closer ties to EU, NATO expansion in the Baltic, militarization of rival Poland. It probably loses the $300 billion in foreign currency reserves that the West took. Russia keeps a little of what it already had (no NATO in Ukraine, Crimea and Donbas) but merely formalizes and makes permanent this status. It gains, as a consolation prize relative to its failed goals, the Crimea corridor.

    By (2) both are worse off in the short and medium term. It's lose-lose. In addition to failing most of its goals, Russia has demilitarized itself, lost the oil and gas business in Europe, lost influence in Central Asia to China and/or Turkey, lost 100,000s of young people. It gained the Crimean corridor but this will lose population and will not be as valuable because it (as well as Crimea) are no longer irrigated and won't be for many years.

    Ukraine will have lost territory and millions of people (millions will return, but millions will not). But this will at least be balanced by integration with EU, restoration of the economy, sense of national cohesion, etc.

    Five to ten years after peace, both countries will probably be ok if there are no further wars.

    USA and China win, EU loses a little.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    BTW, AP, what do you think that Ukraine’s TFR will be in the post-war years?

  326. @AP
    @silviosilver


    From your own, rather eccentric, catholic supremacist point of view perhaps.
     
    It was bad regardless.

    A branch of the Serbian state armed, trained and sent a terrorist to murder the heir to the throne (who also killed his wife).

    Imagine if a country did that to the president-elect of any modern country. It's an act of war. Austria's response to what Serbia did was completely justified.

    From the point of view of, roughly, the entire field of international relations, it’s simply understood, amorally , that Russia had an interest in preventing further Austrian expansion into the balkans
     
    Perhaps so, but this meant a direct war with two superpowers and given the alliance system French involvement also. So Russia's action meant automatic pan-European war. Not justified.

    but far more costly for Russia than was Austria punishing Serbia for Austria.

    For the Russian people, certainly. For the respective regimes, it was equally ruinous. In terms of territorial losses, the “Russians” fared far better.
     
    Correct on the first two points (though the Hapsburgs themselves fared much, much better than did the Romanovs who were brutally murdered in some cellar).

    The third is more complicated - both countries ended up splitting up along ethnic lines, but the German part of Austria simply happened to be tiny compared to the Russian portion of the Russian Empire. I suppose the loss of south Tyrolese and the Sudeten Germans to the ethnic Austrian state may have relatively been greater than the loss of Russians in Kazakhstan, Baltics and Ukraine (even with Crimea and Donbas back) to the post-Soviet Russian state but I wouldn't describe it as a much greater advantage.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @silviosilver

    Imagine if a country did that to the president-elect of any modern country. It’s an act of war. Austria’s response to what Serbia did was completely justified.

    I’m sure you’d be every bit as outraged if it had been the heir to the Ottoman thrown they’d bumped off, lol.

    Was the assassination a big deal? It was certainly seen that way, so a fierce response was warranted. Unfortunately, the assassination did not take place in a vacuum. In the international area, there are always potentially momentous repercussions to consider. The Austrians were well aware of this and they chose to gamble, no different to the Russians. I don’t see much point to trying to identify the “baddies.”

    Perhaps so, but this meant a direct war with two superpowers and given the alliance system French involvement also. So Russia’s action meant automatic pan-European war. Not justified.

    As long as you conveniently ignore the German “blank cheque” (they could have stayed out), which did its own bit to set the wheels in motion, sure. (Again, not materially different to the Russian contribution.)

    Or the Austrians could have taken satisfaction in diplomatically humiliating Serbia instead of insisting on their pound of flesh. Or the issue could have been resolved by yet another “congress.” Paths not taken…

    Personally – and venturing deep into the realms of alt history now – I’m disappointed that the Serbs never thought of (or were incapable of) finagling a deal to get themselves into Austria-Hungary. If was important for all Serbs to live in the one state, that requirement would’ve been taken care of, and culturally, receiving tutelage from an obvious civilizational superior would have been a huge step forward. Who knows, if the whole thing were managed competently, there may have even been time to ride out the romantic nationalist fever dream left over from the 19th century. If only…

    I wouldn’t blame every Serb collectively for that lol

    Oh okay. I had gotten the distinct impression that you did. Well, that takes a load off my mind – I’m feeling better already.

    • Replies: @AP
    @silviosilver


    I’m sure you’d be every bit as outraged if it had been the heir to the Ottoman thrown they’d bumped off, lol.
     
    Well the Ottomans would have been totally justified in going to war against the country that organized and funded the assassination.

    Unfortunately, the assassination did not take place in a vacuum. In the international area, there are always potentially momentous repercussions to consider. The Austrians were well aware of this and they chose to gamble, no different to the Russians. I don’t see much point to trying to identify the “baddies.”
     
    Because responding to the assassination of the next head of state by invading the country that created the assassination, is more justified than using that invasion as an excuse to start a world war.

    Perhaps so, but this meant a direct war with two superpowers and given the alliance system French involvement also. So Russia’s action meant automatic pan-European war. Not justified.

    As long as you conveniently ignore the German “blank cheque” (they could have stayed out), which did its own bit to set the wheels in motion, sure. (Again, not materially different to the Russian contribution.)
     

    The point where it became unjustifiable was when Russia came to the defense of the terroristic regime, to defend it from the justified invasion.

    For example, America was completely justified in attacking the Taliban after 9-11.

    If China or Russia or some other country had decided to come to the Taliban's defense and this produced a cascade of events culminating in a ruinous world war, the baddy in this situation was whoever leapt to the Taliban's defense.


    Or the Austrians could have taken satisfaction in diplomatically humiliating Serbia instead of insisting on their pound of flesh. Or the issue could have been resolved by yet another “congress.” Paths not taken…
     
    Well sure, in retrospect, given how things turned out, this would have been better. But that doesn't mean that Austria was wrong.

    If someone tries to take my wallet and I stop them, and then they pull out a gun and shoot me - in retrospect I should have let them take the wallet, but it doesn't mean I was wrong.


    Personally – and venturing deep into the realms of alt history now – I’m disappointed that the Serbs never thought of (or were incapable of) finagling a deal to get themselves into Austria-Hungary. If was important for all Serbs to live in the one state, that requirement would’ve been taken care of, and culturally, receiving tutelage from an obvious civilizational superior would have been a huge step forward. Who knows, if the whole thing were managed competently, there may have even been time to ride out the romantic nationalist fever dream left over from the 19th century. If only…
     
    You are right. The most accomplished Serb ever, Nikola Tesla, was the beneficiary of Austrian schools.*

    Serbia had a pro-Austrian royal family. Their king was murdered by the Serb military and a pro-Russian, anti-Austrian one was installed by them. That was a disaster for Austria, Serbia, and Russia. Evil action brought forth evil fruit.

    *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla#Early_years

    Tesla was the fourth of five children. He had three sisters, Milka, Angelina, and Marica, and an older brother named Dane, who was killed in a horse riding accident when Tesla was aged five.[22] In 1861, Tesla attended primary school in Smiljan where he studied German, arithmetic, and religion. In 1862, the Tesla family moved to the nearby Gospić, where Tesla's father worked as parish priest. Nikola completed primary school, followed by middle school. In 1870, Tesla moved to Karlovac[23][better source needed] to attend high school at the Higher Real Gymnasium where the classes were held in German, as it was usual throughout schools within the Austro-Hungarian Military Frontier.[24][25]


    Tesla's father, Milutin, was an Orthodox priest in the village of Smiljan.
    Tesla later wrote that he became interested in demonstrations of electricity by his physics professor.[26] Tesla noted that these demonstrations of this "mysterious phenomena" made him want "to know more of this wonderful force".[27] Tesla was able to perform integral calculus in his head, which prompted his teachers to believe that he was cheating.[28] He finished a four-year term in three years, graduating in 1873.[29]

    He enrolled at the Imperial-Royal Technical College in Graz in 1875 on a Military Frontier scholarship. In his autobiography Tesla said he worked hard and earned the highest grades possible, passed nine exams[23][better source needed] (nearly twice as many as required[32]) and received a letter of commendation from the dean of the technical faculty to his father, which stated, "Your son is a star of first rank."[32] At Graz, Tesla noted his fascination with the detailed lectures on electricity presented by Professor Jakob Pöschl and described how he made suggestions on improving the design of an electric motor the professor was demonstrating.[23][better source needed][33] But by his third year he was failing in school and never graduated, leaving Graz in December 1878. One biographer suggests Tesla wasn't studying and may have been expelled for gambling and womanizing.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @silviosilver


    Personally – and venturing deep into the realms of alt history now – I’m disappointed that the Serbs never thought of (or were incapable of) finagling a deal to get themselves into Austria-Hungary. If was important for all Serbs to live in the one state, that requirement would’ve been taken care of, and culturally, receiving tutelage from an obvious civilizational superior would have been a huge step forward. Who knows, if the whole thing were managed competently, there may have even been time to ride out the romantic nationalist fever dream left over from the 19th century. If only…
     
    Yes, absolutely, having Serbia join Austria-Hungary would have indeed been an excellent move since, as you said, it would have paved the way for the creation of a Yugoslavia within Austria-Hungary. Romania could have also joined Austria-Hungary in order to achieve a Greater Romania that way, as could Poland (minus Posen, et cetera) had it ever succeeded in breaking away from Russia.

    Arguably, all of the Austro-Hungarian territorial expansion proposed in Catherine the Great's Greek Plan would have probably been beneficial for the peoples involved:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Plan

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Great_Catherine%27s_dream.png

    Well of course dude!

    Cramming in useless latrino deadheads by the multimillions each year is a terrible plan when the entrants arrive illegally.

    But legalizing the entry of useless latrino deadheads by the multimillions each year solves every known problem caused by their presence.

    It’s simply a brilliant idea.

    In fact, it’s a very close second to my own preferred plan of action, which is to issue on-the-spot death penalties for immigration-boosting fruitcakes like you.
     
    You're part-Greek, right? Well, US Hispanics perform comparably to Greece (actually, a bit better than Greece) and superior to the other Balkanoids on the PISA exam:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-new-2018-pisa-school-test-scores-usa-usa/

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Steve-Sailer-4-PISA-2018-1.png
  327. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikel

    Seems like there should be more opportunities for Latin Americans to come to the US legally so that they don't have to rely on coyotes to get here illegally, no? That, and the US should accept many more cognitively elitist immigrants from the entire world. They occasionally have their bad apples (see this guy: https://www.newsweek.com/who-loay-alnaji-pro-palestinian-accused-killing-paul-kessler-demonstration-california-1842207 ), but generally they assimilate pretty well, as do most Latin Americans in general (even the working-class ones).

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Mikel

    Seems like there should be more opportunities for Latin Americans to come to the US legally so that they don’t have to rely on coyotes to get here illegally, no?

    Well of course dude!

    Cramming in useless latrino deadheads by the multimillions each year is a terrible plan when the entrants arrive illegally.

    But legalizing the entry of useless latrino deadheads by the multimillions each year solves every known problem caused by their presence.

    It’s simply a brilliant idea.

    In fact, it’s a very close second to my own preferred plan of action, which is to issue on-the-spot death penalties for immigration-boosting fruitcakes like you.

  328. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Well, Yeah, if the goal was to simply scare FF, then hiring someone who would deliberately miss would be better than hiring someone who is genuinely committed to killing FF, even if you don't actually think that they'll succeed in this task. Though it's worth noting that Austria-Hungary executed people aged 20 and above for murder (not sure about attempted murder, but maybe so as well?), so if one would have wanted to avoid having one's hitman get executed by Austria-Hungary, they would have needed to be 19 years or less. Princip avoided the death penalty because he was slightly less than one month short of his 20th birthday when he killed FF and his wife Sophie. This shows that Austria-Hungary had some commitment towards the rule of law and towards basic fairness and human decency (categorically not executing young people even for extremely horrendous crimes).

    Interestingly enough, while Princip was definitely a terrorist (albeit with methods that would probably be no worse than what Ukrainians themselves would have used had Russia successfully conquered Ukraine), he did have a rather romantic vision, even if subsequent reality showed it to work less well than Italy (Italy didn't eventually break up and descend into violent wars like Yugoslavia did):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavrilo_Princip

    "I am a Yugoslav nationalist, aiming for the unification of all Yugoslavs, and I do not care what form of state, but it must be free from Austria... The plan was to unite all South Slavs. It was understood that Serbia as the free part of the South Slavs had the moral duty to help in the unification, to be to the South Slavs as the Piedmont was to Italy... In my opinion every Serb, Croat and Slovene should be an enemy of Austria."

    — Gavrilo Princip to the courtroom.

    I suppose the mentality would be similar to Putin's (reunifying the East Slavic lands), except AFAIK, by 1918, Croats, Slovenes, and Bosniaks actually did likely want to become a part of Yugoslavia once it became clear that Austria-Hungary was no longer going to be viable. So, Princip's vision wasn't as hostile towards national self-determination as Putin's is.

    Such national unification projects, *if actually consensual*, can be rather romantic if they are achieved peacefully or at least relatively peacefully rather than through a World War. Makes one wonder whether we'll see any more such movements in the future. Maybe the Afghan Tajiks and Uzbeks could join their respective nation-states to the north if Taliban-ruled Afghanistan will remain a dump for decades and will eventually implode and break up, for instance?

    Replies: @AP

    I suppose the mentality would be similar to Putin’s (reunifying the East Slavic lands), except AFAIK, by 1918, Croats, Slovenes, and Bosniaks actually did likely want to become a part of Yugoslavia once it became clear that Austria-Hungary was no longer going to be viable

    I have no idea about this. Maybe? I do now that there were anti-Serbian riots in Sarajevo by Croats and Bosniaks after the assassination, and that there were anti-Serb Croat separatists who were involved in assassinating the Yugoslav (Serb) king, so it doesn’t seem that Yugoslavia was more popular among Croats than was Austria-Hungary. But I don’t know that part of the world well and could be wrong.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Well, the people in the southernmost parts of Carinthia voted to become a part of Yugoslavia in 1920:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Carinthian_plebiscite

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Volkabstimmung_K%C3%A4rnten_1920.svg/1920px-Volkabstimmung_K%C3%A4rnten_1920.svg.png

    But Austria still won in southern Carinthia overall due to it winning in the northern districts.

    Southern Carinthia is in southern Austria, near the Slovenian border, so if Slovenes in Austria right near the Slovenian border preferred Yugoslavia to Austria (unlike Slovenes a bit further north), then it's not unreasonable to hypothesize that Slovenes in Slovenia, Croats in Croatia, and Bosniaks in Bosnia also preferred Yugoslavia to Austria in 1920 (when I doubt that attitudes were much different than in 1918). This is, of course, a hypothesis since no plebiscites were held further to the south of Carinthia. Still, it's a sufficiently plausible hypothesis. Similar to how one can deduce that Teschen would have likely voted for Poland in a plebiscite in 1920 because the parts of Upper Silesia right next to Teschen voted solidly for Poland, unlike the rest of Upper Silesia, which did not vote for Poland by as large of a margin even in the other parts of Upper Silesia that still voted for Poland.

    However, I'm unsure that Bosniaks, Croats, and Slovenes actually preferred Serbian/Yugoslav rule to Austro-Hungarian rule back in 1914 (as opposed to 1918). Though it is telling that Princip's little gang of assassins was not composed exclusively of Serbs. For instance, they had a Bosniak Muslim among them:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhamed_Mehmedba%C5%A1i%C4%87

    Maybe he was an exception to the rule. Or maybe not. Not sure. I know that Austria-Hungary did have to fight a couple of rebellions in Bosnia during its own rule there, though obviously nowadays, over 100 years after the end of Austria-Hungary, I've heard and read that a lot of Bosniaks have regret that Austria-Hungary collapsed and broke up, possibly because the Yugoslav experiment ultimately didn't work very well for them either and Austria-Hungary looks better by comparison in hindsight.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  329. @silviosilver
    @AP


    Imagine if a country did that to the president-elect of any modern country. It’s an act of war. Austria’s response to what Serbia did was completely justified.
     
    I'm sure you'd be every bit as outraged if it had been the heir to the Ottoman thrown they'd bumped off, lol.

    Was the assassination a big deal? It was certainly seen that way, so a fierce response was warranted. Unfortunately, the assassination did not take place in a vacuum. In the international area, there are always potentially momentous repercussions to consider. The Austrians were well aware of this and they chose to gamble, no different to the Russians. I don't see much point to trying to identify the "baddies."


    Perhaps so, but this meant a direct war with two superpowers and given the alliance system French involvement also. So Russia’s action meant automatic pan-European war. Not justified.
     
    As long as you conveniently ignore the German "blank cheque" (they could have stayed out), which did its own bit to set the wheels in motion, sure. (Again, not materially different to the Russian contribution.)

    Or the Austrians could have taken satisfaction in diplomatically humiliating Serbia instead of insisting on their pound of flesh. Or the issue could have been resolved by yet another "congress." Paths not taken...

    Personally - and venturing deep into the realms of alt history now - I'm disappointed that the Serbs never thought of (or were incapable of) finagling a deal to get themselves into Austria-Hungary. If was important for all Serbs to live in the one state, that requirement would've been taken care of, and culturally, receiving tutelage from an obvious civilizational superior would have been a huge step forward. Who knows, if the whole thing were managed competently, there may have even been time to ride out the romantic nationalist fever dream left over from the 19th century. If only...


    I wouldn’t blame every Serb collectively for that lol
     
    Oh okay. I had gotten the distinct impression that you did. Well, that takes a load off my mind - I'm feeling better already.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ

    I’m sure you’d be every bit as outraged if it had been the heir to the Ottoman thrown they’d bumped off, lol.

    Well the Ottomans would have been totally justified in going to war against the country that organized and funded the assassination.

    Unfortunately, the assassination did not take place in a vacuum. In the international area, there are always potentially momentous repercussions to consider. The Austrians were well aware of this and they chose to gamble, no different to the Russians. I don’t see much point to trying to identify the “baddies.”

    Because responding to the assassination of the next head of state by invading the country that created the assassination, is more justified than using that invasion as an excuse to start a world war.

    Perhaps so, but this meant a direct war with two superpowers and given the alliance system French involvement also. So Russia’s action meant automatic pan-European war. Not justified.

    As long as you conveniently ignore the German “blank cheque” (they could have stayed out), which did its own bit to set the wheels in motion, sure. (Again, not materially different to the Russian contribution.)

    The point where it became unjustifiable was when Russia came to the defense of the terroristic regime, to defend it from the justified invasion.

    For example, America was completely justified in attacking the Taliban after 9-11.

    If China or Russia or some other country had decided to come to the Taliban’s defense and this produced a cascade of events culminating in a ruinous world war, the baddy in this situation was whoever leapt to the Taliban’s defense.

    Or the Austrians could have taken satisfaction in diplomatically humiliating Serbia instead of insisting on their pound of flesh. Or the issue could have been resolved by yet another “congress.” Paths not taken…

    Well sure, in retrospect, given how things turned out, this would have been better. But that doesn’t mean that Austria was wrong.

    If someone tries to take my wallet and I stop them, and then they pull out a gun and shoot me – in retrospect I should have let them take the wallet, but it doesn’t mean I was wrong.

    Personally – and venturing deep into the realms of alt history now – I’m disappointed that the Serbs never thought of (or were incapable of) finagling a deal to get themselves into Austria-Hungary. If was important for all Serbs to live in the one state, that requirement would’ve been taken care of, and culturally, receiving tutelage from an obvious civilizational superior would have been a huge step forward. Who knows, if the whole thing were managed competently, there may have even been time to ride out the romantic nationalist fever dream left over from the 19th century. If only…

    You are right. The most accomplished Serb ever, Nikola Tesla, was the beneficiary of Austrian schools.*

    Serbia had a pro-Austrian royal family. Their king was murdered by the Serb military and a pro-Russian, anti-Austrian one was installed by them. That was a disaster for Austria, Serbia, and Russia. Evil action brought forth evil fruit.

    *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla#Early_years

    [MORE]

    Tesla was the fourth of five children. He had three sisters, Milka, Angelina, and Marica, and an older brother named Dane, who was killed in a horse riding accident when Tesla was aged five.[22] In 1861, Tesla attended primary school in Smiljan where he studied German, arithmetic, and religion. In 1862, the Tesla family moved to the nearby Gospić, where Tesla’s father worked as parish priest. Nikola completed primary school, followed by middle school. In 1870, Tesla moved to Karlovac[23][better source needed] to attend high school at the Higher Real Gymnasium where the classes were held in German, as it was usual throughout schools within the Austro-Hungarian Military Frontier.[24][25]

    Tesla’s father, Milutin, was an Orthodox priest in the village of Smiljan.
    Tesla later wrote that he became interested in demonstrations of electricity by his physics professor.[26] Tesla noted that these demonstrations of this “mysterious phenomena” made him want “to know more of this wonderful force”.[27] Tesla was able to perform integral calculus in his head, which prompted his teachers to believe that he was cheating.[28] He finished a four-year term in three years, graduating in 1873.[29]

    He enrolled at the Imperial-Royal Technical College in Graz in 1875 on a Military Frontier scholarship. In his autobiography Tesla said he worked hard and earned the highest grades possible, passed nine exams[23][better source needed] (nearly twice as many as required[32]) and received a letter of commendation from the dean of the technical faculty to his father, which stated, “Your son is a star of first rank.”[32] At Graz, Tesla noted his fascination with the detailed lectures on electricity presented by Professor Jakob Pöschl and described how he made suggestions on improving the design of an electric motor the professor was demonstrating.[23][better source needed][33] But by his third year he was failing in school and never graduated, leaving Graz in December 1878. One biographer suggests Tesla wasn’t studying and may have been expelled for gambling and womanizing.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    If China or Russia or some other country had decided to come to the Taliban’s defense and this produced a cascade of events culminating in a ruinous world war, the baddy in this situation was whoever leapt to the Taliban’s defense.
     
    But would it have been moral for the US, in response to such Chinese or Russian moves, to send over a new gang of extreme provocateurs to China or Russia that would have proceeded to seize power, end the war, and subsequently kill tens of millions of their own countrymen? In other words, a new version of Mao or (Lenin + Stalin).

    This is essentially what the Central Powers did when they sent Lenin and his little gang of Bolsheviks over to Russia and funded them in the hope of getting Russia to withdraw from WWI. It succeeded, though ultimately it failed to win them the war due to the US entry into the war on the Entente/Allied side, but it caused an extraordinarily massive amount of suffering for Eastern Slavs, Chinese, Cambodians, et cetera. Thus, it sounds like it would have been better for the Central Powers to simply acknowledge their defeat in World War I and not to spread the Bolshevik virus to Russia, from which it subsequently spread elsewhere and with it remaining in power for several decades or more in some places, such as Russia and North Korea.

  330. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. Hack

    The water rights argument I think was rather effectively addressed by AP and other Ukrainians, who compared the North Crimean Canal to a water pipeline that requires human operation. They argued that if water from a water pipeline initially stayed in one country but later moved from one country to another as a result of territorial changes, then the country where the water pipeline originated would be able to stop the operation of this water pipeline (except in a water emergency situation), especially if it and the other country could not agree on new terms for this water pipeline's operation, such as a payment plan for this water. A water pipeline and the North Crimean Canal are different from a river in the sense that a river does not require manmade operation. Hence, one can argue that rules that are applicable to rivers, such as not tampering with them or with their flows, are inapplicable to water pipelines and to canals.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack

    I believe that I first addressed this issue in depth with kremlinstoogeA123 some time ago and pointed out that his baseless bellyaching on this issue had already been addressed by European courts to no avail (for the Russian side). He must have felt threatened by my critique of his points, for soon afterwards he put me on “ignore” and started to portray himself as some sort of an armchair psychiatrist trying to cure me of my psychosis. He’s a sore loser and acts like a child when he knows that he’s wrong. I put some time and effort into my comments then and am not really interested in going through with this fruitless endeavor with him again.

    His portrayal of himself as some sort of omniscient arbiter of morality is quite funny, don’t you think?

  331. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    I suppose the mentality would be similar to Putin’s (reunifying the East Slavic lands), except AFAIK, by 1918, Croats, Slovenes, and Bosniaks actually did likely want to become a part of Yugoslavia once it became clear that Austria-Hungary was no longer going to be viable
     
    I have no idea about this. Maybe? I do now that there were anti-Serbian riots in Sarajevo by Croats and Bosniaks after the assassination, and that there were anti-Serb Croat separatists who were involved in assassinating the Yugoslav (Serb) king, so it doesn't seem that Yugoslavia was more popular among Croats than was Austria-Hungary. But I don't know that part of the world well and could be wrong.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Well, the people in the southernmost parts of Carinthia voted to become a part of Yugoslavia in 1920:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Carinthian_plebiscite

    But Austria still won in southern Carinthia overall due to it winning in the northern districts.

    Southern Carinthia is in southern Austria, near the Slovenian border, so if Slovenes in Austria right near the Slovenian border preferred Yugoslavia to Austria (unlike Slovenes a bit further north), then it’s not unreasonable to hypothesize that Slovenes in Slovenia, Croats in Croatia, and Bosniaks in Bosnia also preferred Yugoslavia to Austria in 1920 (when I doubt that attitudes were much different than in 1918). This is, of course, a hypothesis since no plebiscites were held further to the south of Carinthia. Still, it’s a sufficiently plausible hypothesis. Similar to how one can deduce that Teschen would have likely voted for Poland in a plebiscite in 1920 because the parts of Upper Silesia right next to Teschen voted solidly for Poland, unlike the rest of Upper Silesia, which did not vote for Poland by as large of a margin even in the other parts of Upper Silesia that still voted for Poland.

    However, I’m unsure that Bosniaks, Croats, and Slovenes actually preferred Serbian/Yugoslav rule to Austro-Hungarian rule back in 1914 (as opposed to 1918). Though it is telling that Princip’s little gang of assassins was not composed exclusively of Serbs. For instance, they had a Bosniak Muslim among them:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhamed_Mehmedba%C5%A1i%C4%87

    Maybe he was an exception to the rule. Or maybe not. Not sure. I know that Austria-Hungary did have to fight a couple of rebellions in Bosnia during its own rule there, though obviously nowadays, over 100 years after the end of Austria-Hungary, I’ve heard and read that a lot of Bosniaks have regret that Austria-Hungary collapsed and broke up, possibly because the Yugoslav experiment ultimately didn’t work very well for them either and Austria-Hungary looks better by comparison in hindsight.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    I should probably point something out: Back in 1919, small states were perceived as being less viable than they were right now, when the US is acting as a security guarantor for most of Europe and there also already exists the European Union in most of Europe. Thus, back in 1919, an independent Croatia or Slovenia or Bosnia weren't really perceived as being viable and were instead believed to likely to become satellites that would be easily dominated by much larger powers such as Italy and/or Germany.

    The Inquiry, a professional study group created by US President Woodrow Wilson, had some thoughts on this topic here:

    https://archive.org/details/MyDiaryAtConferenceOfParis-Vol4/page/n255/mode/2up

    https://archive.org/details/MyDiaryAtConferenceOfParis-Vol4/page/n257/mode/2up

    https://archive.org/details/MyDiaryAtConferenceOfParis-Vol4/page/n259/mode/2up

    Replies: @WS

  332. @John Johnson
    @Mr. Hack

    In addition to the “hundred women” that the men get, here are some other considerations that sound interesting too:

    Funny video. I actually didn't know about the secret handshakes. I wish they expanded on the afterlife and what happens to everyone else.

    I live in a nice neighborhood and they are always coming here. They give us big smiles and act very respectful when I answer the door.

    One day I was helping a someone about a mile away in a smaller neighborhood. I was clearing some brush by the side of the road and looked pretty dirty. Two Mormons doing their knock patrol walked by and didn't even look at me. I smiled and nodded but they walked by with a snobbish attitude. I'm sure they assumed I was a laborer doing my job. Really pissed me off. When I stand in front my house they have such nice things to say.

    It's a money focused cult. They think volunteering means knocking on the doors of nice houses to find people with income. Once I answered the door in a tank top while holding a beer. They asked "are you the home owner?" with a bit of disdain. I laughed but wasn't surprised. They can be very resentful. Their religion tells them that they will do well financially if they follow Mormon rules. You could see the look of disappointment when I said "yea it's my house" and sipped my beer. I told them I'm not interested and shut the door. Another time I got one to admit he gets his own planet with slaves in the afterlife. Of course he didn't want to talk about the slaves part. He was clearly very uncomfortable talking about his own religion. They walk around assuming we don't know any of it. We're just a bunch of rubes.

    The real beliefs of Mormons and JWs need to be exposed. The arrogance of both groups needs to be taken down from 11 to about a 2.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mikel

    I know that your anti-Mormon faith is stronger than Mormons’ faith in Joseph Smith but there is this state in the US called Utah. It’s actually full of Mormons and they are, if anything, over-represented in all state institutions. If half of what you keep saying about Mormons was true, Utah would be an apartheid state where Mormons would swindle, take advantage of and discriminate against those of us non-Mormons living among them. However, we all live in remarkable harmony. Nothing of the like is visible at all in everyday life. In fact, I’ve spent at least half a year in half a dozen European countries and Utah is undoubtedly the highest trust society I’ve ever lived in, especially the Mormon-heavy areas. Neighbors know and take care of each other and Mormons and non-Mormons interact all the time as employers, employees, co-workers, customers and suppliers. In 10 years I’ve never witnessed an act of discrimination beyond what would be normal in any other place and I strongly suspect that swindles and discrimination are more prevalent in most other states.

    However, next time I have a chat with one of my good Mormon neighbors I’ll ask them if they consider me their space slave. I hope you don’t mind me having some laughs at your expense.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    I know that your anti-Mormon faith is stronger than Mormons’ faith in Joseph Smith but there is this state in the US called Utah. It’s actually full of Mormons and they are, if anything, over-represented in all state institutions. If half of what you keep saying about Mormons was true, Utah would be an apartheid state where Mormons would swindle, take advantage of and discriminate against those of us non-Mormons living among them.

    You said yourself that you haven't done business with them.

    Most of the time they are fine as neighbors or co-workers when their image is on the line.

    The problems occur when there is a business deal that relies on their morals and you aren't in the club.

    The Mormon church has been sued multiple times for fraud
    https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/mormon-church-multibillion-investment-fund-sec-settlement-rcna71603

    That case was a multi-billion dollar investment scam using shell companies.

    It's a money focused cult.

    However, next time I have a chat with one of my good Mormon neighbors I’ll ask them if they consider me their space slave. I hope you don’t mind me having some laughs at your expense.

    How would that be at my expense? I think their religion was completely fabricated by Joseph Smith. I don't lose or gain anything by pointing out their space slavery beliefs.

    By all means ask where Christians and Jews go in the afterlife. Ask for specifics if the Mormons become gods on their own planets.

    Not sure how you can live around people that believe this story and view their neighbors as future slaves.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apnqBmv0ndY

    An angel also told him he could bang multiple women and his wife had to deal with it.

    This is one of the most ridiculous cult stories. It is up there with a certain sci-fi cult that is popular with celebrities.

    Replies: @Mikel

  333. @AP
    @silviosilver


    I’m sure you’d be every bit as outraged if it had been the heir to the Ottoman thrown they’d bumped off, lol.
     
    Well the Ottomans would have been totally justified in going to war against the country that organized and funded the assassination.

    Unfortunately, the assassination did not take place in a vacuum. In the international area, there are always potentially momentous repercussions to consider. The Austrians were well aware of this and they chose to gamble, no different to the Russians. I don’t see much point to trying to identify the “baddies.”
     
    Because responding to the assassination of the next head of state by invading the country that created the assassination, is more justified than using that invasion as an excuse to start a world war.

    Perhaps so, but this meant a direct war with two superpowers and given the alliance system French involvement also. So Russia’s action meant automatic pan-European war. Not justified.

    As long as you conveniently ignore the German “blank cheque” (they could have stayed out), which did its own bit to set the wheels in motion, sure. (Again, not materially different to the Russian contribution.)
     

    The point where it became unjustifiable was when Russia came to the defense of the terroristic regime, to defend it from the justified invasion.

    For example, America was completely justified in attacking the Taliban after 9-11.

    If China or Russia or some other country had decided to come to the Taliban's defense and this produced a cascade of events culminating in a ruinous world war, the baddy in this situation was whoever leapt to the Taliban's defense.


    Or the Austrians could have taken satisfaction in diplomatically humiliating Serbia instead of insisting on their pound of flesh. Or the issue could have been resolved by yet another “congress.” Paths not taken…
     
    Well sure, in retrospect, given how things turned out, this would have been better. But that doesn't mean that Austria was wrong.

    If someone tries to take my wallet and I stop them, and then they pull out a gun and shoot me - in retrospect I should have let them take the wallet, but it doesn't mean I was wrong.


    Personally – and venturing deep into the realms of alt history now – I’m disappointed that the Serbs never thought of (or were incapable of) finagling a deal to get themselves into Austria-Hungary. If was important for all Serbs to live in the one state, that requirement would’ve been taken care of, and culturally, receiving tutelage from an obvious civilizational superior would have been a huge step forward. Who knows, if the whole thing were managed competently, there may have even been time to ride out the romantic nationalist fever dream left over from the 19th century. If only…
     
    You are right. The most accomplished Serb ever, Nikola Tesla, was the beneficiary of Austrian schools.*

    Serbia had a pro-Austrian royal family. Their king was murdered by the Serb military and a pro-Russian, anti-Austrian one was installed by them. That was a disaster for Austria, Serbia, and Russia. Evil action brought forth evil fruit.

    *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla#Early_years

    Tesla was the fourth of five children. He had three sisters, Milka, Angelina, and Marica, and an older brother named Dane, who was killed in a horse riding accident when Tesla was aged five.[22] In 1861, Tesla attended primary school in Smiljan where he studied German, arithmetic, and religion. In 1862, the Tesla family moved to the nearby Gospić, where Tesla's father worked as parish priest. Nikola completed primary school, followed by middle school. In 1870, Tesla moved to Karlovac[23][better source needed] to attend high school at the Higher Real Gymnasium where the classes were held in German, as it was usual throughout schools within the Austro-Hungarian Military Frontier.[24][25]


    Tesla's father, Milutin, was an Orthodox priest in the village of Smiljan.
    Tesla later wrote that he became interested in demonstrations of electricity by his physics professor.[26] Tesla noted that these demonstrations of this "mysterious phenomena" made him want "to know more of this wonderful force".[27] Tesla was able to perform integral calculus in his head, which prompted his teachers to believe that he was cheating.[28] He finished a four-year term in three years, graduating in 1873.[29]

    He enrolled at the Imperial-Royal Technical College in Graz in 1875 on a Military Frontier scholarship. In his autobiography Tesla said he worked hard and earned the highest grades possible, passed nine exams[23][better source needed] (nearly twice as many as required[32]) and received a letter of commendation from the dean of the technical faculty to his father, which stated, "Your son is a star of first rank."[32] At Graz, Tesla noted his fascination with the detailed lectures on electricity presented by Professor Jakob Pöschl and described how he made suggestions on improving the design of an electric motor the professor was demonstrating.[23][better source needed][33] But by his third year he was failing in school and never graduated, leaving Graz in December 1878. One biographer suggests Tesla wasn't studying and may have been expelled for gambling and womanizing.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    If China or Russia or some other country had decided to come to the Taliban’s defense and this produced a cascade of events culminating in a ruinous world war, the baddy in this situation was whoever leapt to the Taliban’s defense.

    But would it have been moral for the US, in response to such Chinese or Russian moves, to send over a new gang of extreme provocateurs to China or Russia that would have proceeded to seize power, end the war, and subsequently kill tens of millions of their own countrymen? In other words, a new version of Mao or (Lenin + Stalin).

    This is essentially what the Central Powers did when they sent Lenin and his little gang of Bolsheviks over to Russia and funded them in the hope of getting Russia to withdraw from WWI. It succeeded, though ultimately it failed to win them the war due to the US entry into the war on the Entente/Allied side, but it caused an extraordinarily massive amount of suffering for Eastern Slavs, Chinese, Cambodians, et cetera. Thus, it sounds like it would have been better for the Central Powers to simply acknowledge their defeat in World War I and not to spread the Bolshevik virus to Russia, from which it subsequently spread elsewhere and with it remaining in power for several decades or more in some places, such as Russia and North Korea.

  334. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikel

    Seems like there should be more opportunities for Latin Americans to come to the US legally so that they don't have to rely on coyotes to get here illegally, no? That, and the US should accept many more cognitively elitist immigrants from the entire world. They occasionally have their bad apples (see this guy: https://www.newsweek.com/who-loay-alnaji-pro-palestinian-accused-killing-paul-kessler-demonstration-california-1842207 ), but generally they assimilate pretty well, as do most Latin Americans in general (even the working-class ones).

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Mikel

    What would you say is a bigger obsession for you, bringing in more immigrants to the US and Europe or legalizing sex dolls for pedos?

    • LOL: Barbarossa, songbird
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikel

    The former because it helps more people, but if I had a strong attraction to minors, then the latter would probably take priority instead. Thankfully, my attraction is overwhelmingly towards adults, though like Anatoly Karlin himself, I have occasionally found minors with a double-digit age attractive, albeit much less so than adult cisgender women (while, of course, obviously acknowledging that anything sexual involving them is illegal, wrong, and evil). (Anatoly Karlin apparently once said that he found Petro Poroshenko's 14-year-old daughters to be attractive.)

    I view the child sex dolls issue as being for minor-attracted people what legalizing sodomy was for gay people. In other words, a legal fight to secure a satisfactory, harm-free sex life for them (or at least for some of them, specifically the virtuous ones who are capable of being permanently satisfied with such dolls; the non-virtuous ones should simply be castrated and/or locked up in mental hospitals and/or isolated prison wards, IMHO).

    Replies: @German_reader

  335. @silviosilver
    @AP


    Imagine if a country did that to the president-elect of any modern country. It’s an act of war. Austria’s response to what Serbia did was completely justified.
     
    I'm sure you'd be every bit as outraged if it had been the heir to the Ottoman thrown they'd bumped off, lol.

    Was the assassination a big deal? It was certainly seen that way, so a fierce response was warranted. Unfortunately, the assassination did not take place in a vacuum. In the international area, there are always potentially momentous repercussions to consider. The Austrians were well aware of this and they chose to gamble, no different to the Russians. I don't see much point to trying to identify the "baddies."


    Perhaps so, but this meant a direct war with two superpowers and given the alliance system French involvement also. So Russia’s action meant automatic pan-European war. Not justified.
     
    As long as you conveniently ignore the German "blank cheque" (they could have stayed out), which did its own bit to set the wheels in motion, sure. (Again, not materially different to the Russian contribution.)

    Or the Austrians could have taken satisfaction in diplomatically humiliating Serbia instead of insisting on their pound of flesh. Or the issue could have been resolved by yet another "congress." Paths not taken...

    Personally - and venturing deep into the realms of alt history now - I'm disappointed that the Serbs never thought of (or were incapable of) finagling a deal to get themselves into Austria-Hungary. If was important for all Serbs to live in the one state, that requirement would've been taken care of, and culturally, receiving tutelage from an obvious civilizational superior would have been a huge step forward. Who knows, if the whole thing were managed competently, there may have even been time to ride out the romantic nationalist fever dream left over from the 19th century. If only...


    I wouldn’t blame every Serb collectively for that lol
     
    Oh okay. I had gotten the distinct impression that you did. Well, that takes a load off my mind - I'm feeling better already.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ

    Personally – and venturing deep into the realms of alt history now – I’m disappointed that the Serbs never thought of (or were incapable of) finagling a deal to get themselves into Austria-Hungary. If was important for all Serbs to live in the one state, that requirement would’ve been taken care of, and culturally, receiving tutelage from an obvious civilizational superior would have been a huge step forward. Who knows, if the whole thing were managed competently, there may have even been time to ride out the romantic nationalist fever dream left over from the 19th century. If only…

    Yes, absolutely, having Serbia join Austria-Hungary would have indeed been an excellent move since, as you said, it would have paved the way for the creation of a Yugoslavia within Austria-Hungary. Romania could have also joined Austria-Hungary in order to achieve a Greater Romania that way, as could Poland (minus Posen, et cetera) had it ever succeeded in breaking away from Russia.

    Arguably, all of the Austro-Hungarian territorial expansion proposed in Catherine the Great’s Greek Plan would have probably been beneficial for the peoples involved:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Plan

    Well of course dude!

    Cramming in useless latrino deadheads by the multimillions each year is a terrible plan when the entrants arrive illegally.

    But legalizing the entry of useless latrino deadheads by the multimillions each year solves every known problem caused by their presence.

    It’s simply a brilliant idea.

    In fact, it’s a very close second to my own preferred plan of action, which is to issue on-the-spot death penalties for immigration-boosting fruitcakes like you.

    You’re part-Greek, right? Well, US Hispanics perform comparably to Greece (actually, a bit better than Greece) and superior to the other Balkanoids on the PISA exam:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-new-2018-pisa-school-test-scores-usa-usa/

  336. Nikki Haley and Vivek Ramaswamy arguing in the Republican Debate. Hostility between those two history’s first Republican presidential candidates with Indian heritage.

    It also reminds about diversity of peoples in India. Haley looks even possibly like an American with heritage from Switzerland or France, Ramaswamy looks like possibly an American with Somali parents. Both have Indian parents who immigrated to America.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry

    Haley can ever pass as white! A lot of Punjabis can, AFAIK. Vivek, in contrast, is from Dravidian southern India, where the population is, on average, darker.

  337. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Well, the people in the southernmost parts of Carinthia voted to become a part of Yugoslavia in 1920:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Carinthian_plebiscite

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Volkabstimmung_K%C3%A4rnten_1920.svg/1920px-Volkabstimmung_K%C3%A4rnten_1920.svg.png

    But Austria still won in southern Carinthia overall due to it winning in the northern districts.

    Southern Carinthia is in southern Austria, near the Slovenian border, so if Slovenes in Austria right near the Slovenian border preferred Yugoslavia to Austria (unlike Slovenes a bit further north), then it's not unreasonable to hypothesize that Slovenes in Slovenia, Croats in Croatia, and Bosniaks in Bosnia also preferred Yugoslavia to Austria in 1920 (when I doubt that attitudes were much different than in 1918). This is, of course, a hypothesis since no plebiscites were held further to the south of Carinthia. Still, it's a sufficiently plausible hypothesis. Similar to how one can deduce that Teschen would have likely voted for Poland in a plebiscite in 1920 because the parts of Upper Silesia right next to Teschen voted solidly for Poland, unlike the rest of Upper Silesia, which did not vote for Poland by as large of a margin even in the other parts of Upper Silesia that still voted for Poland.

    However, I'm unsure that Bosniaks, Croats, and Slovenes actually preferred Serbian/Yugoslav rule to Austro-Hungarian rule back in 1914 (as opposed to 1918). Though it is telling that Princip's little gang of assassins was not composed exclusively of Serbs. For instance, they had a Bosniak Muslim among them:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhamed_Mehmedba%C5%A1i%C4%87

    Maybe he was an exception to the rule. Or maybe not. Not sure. I know that Austria-Hungary did have to fight a couple of rebellions in Bosnia during its own rule there, though obviously nowadays, over 100 years after the end of Austria-Hungary, I've heard and read that a lot of Bosniaks have regret that Austria-Hungary collapsed and broke up, possibly because the Yugoslav experiment ultimately didn't work very well for them either and Austria-Hungary looks better by comparison in hindsight.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    I should probably point something out: Back in 1919, small states were perceived as being less viable than they were right now, when the US is acting as a security guarantor for most of Europe and there also already exists the European Union in most of Europe. Thus, back in 1919, an independent Croatia or Slovenia or Bosnia weren’t really perceived as being viable and were instead believed to likely to become satellites that would be easily dominated by much larger powers such as Italy and/or Germany.

    The Inquiry, a professional study group created by US President Woodrow Wilson, had some thoughts on this topic here:

    https://archive.org/details/MyDiaryAtConferenceOfParis-Vol4/page/n255/mode/2up

    https://archive.org/details/MyDiaryAtConferenceOfParis-Vol4/page/n257/mode/2up

    https://archive.org/details/MyDiaryAtConferenceOfParis-Vol4/page/n259/mode/2up

    • Replies: @WS
    @Mr. XYZ


    Thus, back in 1919, an independent Croatia or Slovenia or Bosnia weren’t really perceived as being viable and were instead believed to likely to become satellites that would be easily dominated by much larger powers such as Italy and/or Germany.

     

    "better the worst Jugoslavija than any German lead empire " was official statement of Slovenian leaders at the time....not all Slavs fear Russia, there were others more potential and geographically close aspirants....

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  338. @Dmitry
    Nikki Haley and Vivek Ramaswamy arguing in the Republican Debate. Hostility between those two history's first Republican presidential candidates with Indian heritage.

    It also reminds about diversity of peoples in India. Haley looks even possibly like an American with heritage from Switzerland or France, Ramaswamy looks like possibly an American with Somali parents. Both have Indian parents who immigrated to America.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjqoDNi2v_I

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Haley can ever pass as white! A lot of Punjabis can, AFAIK. Vivek, in contrast, is from Dravidian southern India, where the population is, on average, darker.

  339. @Mikel
    @Mr. XYZ

    What would you say is a bigger obsession for you, bringing in more immigrants to the US and Europe or legalizing sex dolls for pedos?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    The former because it helps more people, but if I had a strong attraction to minors, then the latter would probably take priority instead. Thankfully, my attraction is overwhelmingly towards adults, though like Anatoly Karlin himself, I have occasionally found minors with a double-digit age attractive, albeit much less so than adult cisgender women (while, of course, obviously acknowledging that anything sexual involving them is illegal, wrong, and evil). (Anatoly Karlin apparently once said that he found Petro Poroshenko’s 14-year-old daughters to be attractive.)

    I view the child sex dolls issue as being for minor-attracted people what legalizing sodomy was for gay people. In other words, a legal fight to secure a satisfactory, harm-free sex life for them (or at least for some of them, specifically the virtuous ones who are capable of being permanently satisfied with such dolls; the non-virtuous ones should simply be castrated and/or locked up in mental hospitals and/or isolated prison wards, IMHO).

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ


    cisgender women
     
    Must be a first to see someone use that lingo on UR unironically.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  340. @songbird
    @AP

    I believe the samurai are often considered to have been more hirsute than average. IIRC, Kurosawa's father (from a samurai family) was mistaken for a Korean because of his hairiness and nearly lynched, before gaining control of the crowd using his deep voice. (Maybe, related to T?)

    Some different records appear to suggest that European nobles were indeed more criminally-prone - for a time - perhaps before genetically pacifying themselves.

    This article gives more details:
    https://www.aporiamagazine.com/p/jailbirds-of-a-feather-flock-together

    I do wonder to what degree there might be selection bias, though. Presumably nobles were written about more, and maybe came naturally under more legal actions than normal folks.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Before around the 16th century when they begin slow conversion to modern politicians and development of the modern state, the aristocrats in Europe are simply the most powerful mafia gangs, the most powerful hooligan families.

    This is still described in the time Shakespeare.

    For example, Montague and Capulets, which has as the origin the 15th century Italian story “Two Noble Lovers”, are two mafia families of Verona, which is the same as the two ruling noble families of Verona.

    Today, Romeo and Juliet you could either show as something like “Bloods vs. Crips” or you could show it as “Clinton family vs Trump family”.

    As the two modern professions of mafia and politician, are from the same branch of the tree in historical terms, to project the play to the future to either group would be possible.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Dmitry

    I am distantly descended from a woman whose entire male line of relatives from her grandfather onwards, including her father and at least three uncles were killed off in a feud, by their near kin, in the 1500s. One of the guys who killed her father was burned alive in a church, but I think that was a separate group who got him.

    That was a tough clan. They managed to do away with the Norman family who took their land, in the original conquest, which is pretty uncommon, but it was a remote area.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  341. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikel

    The former because it helps more people, but if I had a strong attraction to minors, then the latter would probably take priority instead. Thankfully, my attraction is overwhelmingly towards adults, though like Anatoly Karlin himself, I have occasionally found minors with a double-digit age attractive, albeit much less so than adult cisgender women (while, of course, obviously acknowledging that anything sexual involving them is illegal, wrong, and evil). (Anatoly Karlin apparently once said that he found Petro Poroshenko's 14-year-old daughters to be attractive.)

    I view the child sex dolls issue as being for minor-attracted people what legalizing sodomy was for gay people. In other words, a legal fight to secure a satisfactory, harm-free sex life for them (or at least for some of them, specifically the virtuous ones who are capable of being permanently satisfied with such dolls; the non-virtuous ones should simply be castrated and/or locked up in mental hospitals and/or isolated prison wards, IMHO).

    Replies: @German_reader

    cisgender women

    Must be a first to see someone use that lingo on UR unironically.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Yeah, cisgender women, especially fertile ones, are considerably more attractive than both trans women and male-to-female cross-dressers. It's like comparing real crab with imitation crab or whatever. The imitation can be nice, but the real thing is better.

  342. German_reader says:

    Donald Trump says ‘There is no hatred like the Palestinian hatred of Israel and Jewish people. And probably the other way around also; I do not know’, before adding that ‘sometimes you have to let things play out and you have to see where it ends’.

    Lol, funny when Trump comes across like a moderate.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    Trump is far more unconditional pro-Israel compared to Biden, who is conditional pro-Israel.

    If Israel waits until after 2024 for the resolution in Gaza and Trump would win the election, they would able to attain more "maximalist" outcomes.

    But it's also probably not possible, as the international pressure will be to end the conflict already in early 2024, so they will probably follow some kind of postwar plan which would need to be approved by the Biden administration. This is because the Biden administration will be supporting the postwar plan in the UN Security council.

    As with Obama's Iran deal, it's also possible Trump would still later remove the Biden plan.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  343. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    I should probably point something out: Back in 1919, small states were perceived as being less viable than they were right now, when the US is acting as a security guarantor for most of Europe and there also already exists the European Union in most of Europe. Thus, back in 1919, an independent Croatia or Slovenia or Bosnia weren't really perceived as being viable and were instead believed to likely to become satellites that would be easily dominated by much larger powers such as Italy and/or Germany.

    The Inquiry, a professional study group created by US President Woodrow Wilson, had some thoughts on this topic here:

    https://archive.org/details/MyDiaryAtConferenceOfParis-Vol4/page/n255/mode/2up

    https://archive.org/details/MyDiaryAtConferenceOfParis-Vol4/page/n257/mode/2up

    https://archive.org/details/MyDiaryAtConferenceOfParis-Vol4/page/n259/mode/2up

    Replies: @WS

    Thus, back in 1919, an independent Croatia or Slovenia or Bosnia weren’t really perceived as being viable and were instead believed to likely to become satellites that would be easily dominated by much larger powers such as Italy and/or Germany.

    “better the worst Jugoslavija than any German lead empire ” was official statement of Slovenian leaders at the time….not all Slavs fear Russia, there were others more potential and geographically close aspirants….

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @WS

    Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. Though the interesting thing is that weren't Slovenes treated fairly well in Austria, with them having some local autonomy and whatnot? This might be why a sizable part of the Carinthian Slovenes voted for Austria rather than for Yugoslavia in 1920, along with of course economic reasons.

    Yugoslavs had nothing to fear from Russia since Russia did not harbor aggressive designs towards them in the post-WWI years. It's only in the post-WWII years, especially under Stalin from 1948 to 1953, that the USSR was a significant danger and threat to Yugoslavia.

    BTW, off-topic, but I like the ethnic and religious diversity in Yugoslavia:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/6uxwrk/the_ethnic_divide_of_yugoslavia_1981_2757_x_1774/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/10v0nir/ethnic_composition_of_yugoslavia_in_1991/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/dsmfgy/religious_composition_of_yugoslavia_according_to/

    Too bad that Yugoslavs couldn't harmoniously coexist with each other in the long-run. Interestingly enough, white nationalists use Yugoslavia along with the USSR, Czechoslovakia, Austria-Hungary, the Russian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and/or British India to argue that diversity is a weakness rather than a strength.

    Replies: @WS, @WS

  344. @Greasy William
    @Dmitry

    "The Duran" is a YouTube channel that functions as sort of a central news service for Russophiles. If you got all your information from them you'd think that Hamas has the IDF stopped cold.


    The situation inherited in the West Bank would be difficult to describe as a strategic victory.
     
    There isn't going to be any strategic victories for Israel. Israel will always be the most hated country in the world, it will always be forced to babysit 4+ million (and growing) Palestinians and it will always be at war with over 1 billion Ishmaelites. The reason that the Palestinians have been able to continue their struggle for nearly 80 years now is because they understand that Israel's long term strategic situation is utterly hopeless no matter what Israel does.

    But Moshiach will be here soon, and that is the only strategic victory that Israel will need.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    I was wondering if you were confusing Duran Duran with another English band Pink Floyd.

    Pink Floyd are writing anti-Israel messages, while Duran Duran are on the opposite side with their first song called “Tel Aviv”.

    Pink Floyd – 1970s progressive rock albums, Duran Duran 1980s pop music.

    The difference from the 1970s to 1980s, shows how fast the pop music was changing in that time in the West, each decade had different sounds, changing production methods, different fashion, seems to reflect some important changes of the world consciousness.

    Unlike for the last twenty years, pop music has been stagnating without significant changes and becomes irrelevant as a measurement of the epoch changes.

    If you listen to Duran Duran, there are many “1980s features” which wasn’t promoted in the 1970s. The optimism Reagan was reflecting, glamor/superficiality, capitalist excess, businessman’s culture.

    • Replies: @S
    @Dmitry

    I'm appreciating more and more some of the earlier (1967) Pink Floyd music which featured Syd Barrett before his troubles got the best of him. It seems kind of alien at first but it grows on you. [The video quality is so crisp on these they look like they were filmed just yesterday. 'Bike' under 'more' is actually kind of funny.]

    'Arnold Layne'

    https://youtu.be/H3DGpINHX5Q?si=GLD5Tg8J1t_MenYa

    'See Emily Play'

    https://youtu.be/7c0EDM-Yu9o?si=443g1OSdHkGVcMbo



    'Bike'

    https://youtu.be/FPMXt9Me_Fo?si=T7LJCaDbC3Vuh_RR

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  345. @German_reader

    Donald Trump says 'There is no hatred like the Palestinian hatred of Israel and Jewish people. And probably the other way around also; I do not know', before adding that 'sometimes you have to let things play out and you have to see where it ends'.
     
    Lol, funny when Trump comes across like a moderate.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Trump is far more unconditional pro-Israel compared to Biden, who is conditional pro-Israel.

    If Israel waits until after 2024 for the resolution in Gaza and Trump would win the election, they would able to attain more “maximalist” outcomes.

    But it’s also probably not possible, as the international pressure will be to end the conflict already in early 2024, so they will probably follow some kind of postwar plan which would need to be approved by the Biden administration. This is because the Biden administration will be supporting the postwar plan in the UN Security council.

    As with Obama’s Iran deal, it’s also possible Trump would still later remove the Biden plan.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry

    If there is a post-war plan for Gaza, it would likely necessitate a very severe violation of it by Hamas for Israel to annul its consent to this plan. I suspect, however, that Hamas's military capabilities will be significantly degraded as a result of the current Gaza invasion. We shall see.

    Israel isn't Azerbaijan, though. It's an actual democracy, so higher standards are expected of it than for Azerbaijan. I'm sure that some right-wing Israelis dream of doing to Gaza what Azerbaijan did to Nagorno-Karabakh, but thankfully it's just not plausible.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  346. @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ


    cisgender women
     
    Must be a first to see someone use that lingo on UR unironically.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Yeah, cisgender women, especially fertile ones, are considerably more attractive than both trans women and male-to-female cross-dressers. It’s like comparing real crab with imitation crab or whatever. The imitation can be nice, but the real thing is better.

  347. @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    Trump is far more unconditional pro-Israel compared to Biden, who is conditional pro-Israel.

    If Israel waits until after 2024 for the resolution in Gaza and Trump would win the election, they would able to attain more "maximalist" outcomes.

    But it's also probably not possible, as the international pressure will be to end the conflict already in early 2024, so they will probably follow some kind of postwar plan which would need to be approved by the Biden administration. This is because the Biden administration will be supporting the postwar plan in the UN Security council.

    As with Obama's Iran deal, it's also possible Trump would still later remove the Biden plan.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    If there is a post-war plan for Gaza, it would likely necessitate a very severe violation of it by Hamas for Israel to annul its consent to this plan. I suspect, however, that Hamas’s military capabilities will be significantly degraded as a result of the current Gaza invasion. We shall see.

    Israel isn’t Azerbaijan, though. It’s an actual democracy, so higher standards are expected of it than for Azerbaijan. I’m sure that some right-wing Israelis dream of doing to Gaza what Azerbaijan did to Nagorno-Karabakh, but thankfully it’s just not plausible.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ


    Israel isn’t Azerbaijan, though. It’s an actual democracy
     
    Israel's policy, although not the preferences of the population, is one of the world's most liberal countries, with a lot of the function of government controlled by the high court judges.

    It received the benefits of the liberal democracy, including from the economic point of view, the social life, the cultural freedom. But it is also viewed, this policy is not able to protect its citizens or project the authority to its neighbors, where Israel is usually perceived like some kind of fragile glass. In the Arab world they say "Israel is weaker than a spider web", which the leader of Hezbollah said last week also.

    Internal politics of Israel also developed an unhealthy dynamic, where the politicians give fake right-wing rhetoric to appease their populations, while the real policies go in opposite direction. So, then the politicians' populist rhetoric becomes more fake right-wing, while Israel's policy becomes increasingly liberal every year.

    Israel pays the social cost of their politicians' fake right-wing rhetoric in West, where they don't distinguish the rhetoric and reality, while the Arabs perceive real situation of the reduction of the cost of conflict with Israel and they are not scared by a false rhetoric of the populist politicians. It's also increasing the distrust of the population to their government and the elite organs like the media and the universities.

    After the attacks in the 7th of October, Israel continues in the strange dichotomy, with the war government of liberal Gantz, Gallant and Netanyahu, while the right-wing coalition government is saying a populist rhetoric to appease the population.

    Israel's military response has been smaller than expected in the Arab world and weaker than the Israeli population has expected, for example allowing open Rafah crossing and daily cease-fire. They probably follow Biden's plan and Washington DC is partly planning the operation. Israel's population is still in shock mode and don't have time to become angry or input their own preferences through elections.

    So, if Israel's war government follows the plan Biden will support, it will possibly be able to avoid pressure as far as Biden is still president only. If Trump is president in 2025, the internal pressure in Israel could be to re-conceive the relation with Gaza.

    I also wonder if Netanyahu will try a kind of compromise solution. This would try to only accept temporary postwar planning, until after Biden would be president. So, 2024 he could try to delay the postwar planning to be permanent, or avoid signing something permanent, with a dream of Trump winning in November 2024.

    Replies: @songbird, @A123

  348. @WS
    @Mr. XYZ


    Thus, back in 1919, an independent Croatia or Slovenia or Bosnia weren’t really perceived as being viable and were instead believed to likely to become satellites that would be easily dominated by much larger powers such as Italy and/or Germany.

     

    "better the worst Jugoslavija than any German lead empire " was official statement of Slovenian leaders at the time....not all Slavs fear Russia, there were others more potential and geographically close aspirants....

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised. Though the interesting thing is that weren’t Slovenes treated fairly well in Austria, with them having some local autonomy and whatnot? This might be why a sizable part of the Carinthian Slovenes voted for Austria rather than for Yugoslavia in 1920, along with of course economic reasons.

    Yugoslavs had nothing to fear from Russia since Russia did not harbor aggressive designs towards them in the post-WWI years. It’s only in the post-WWII years, especially under Stalin from 1948 to 1953, that the USSR was a significant danger and threat to Yugoslavia.

    BTW, off-topic, but I like the ethnic and religious diversity in Yugoslavia:

    The Ethnic Divide of Yugoslavia, 1981 [2757 x 1774]
    byu/HumansOfDecatur inMapPorn

    Ethnic Composition of Yugoslavia in 1991
    byu/OnlineReviewer inMapPorn

    Religious composition of Yugoslavia, according to the 1931 census (see more maps @ http://www.milosp.info)[OC]
    byu/mapvault inMapPorn

    Too bad that Yugoslavs couldn’t harmoniously coexist with each other in the long-run. Interestingly enough, white nationalists use Yugoslavia along with the USSR, Czechoslovakia, Austria-Hungary, the Russian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and/or British India to argue that diversity is a weakness rather than a strength.

    • Replies: @WS
    @Mr. XYZ

    Interestingly enough, white nationalists use Yugoslavia along with the USSR, Czechoslovakia, Austria-Hungary, the Russian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and/or British India to argue that diversity is a weakness rather than a strength.

    Diversity is blessing but need to be nursed. Multinational societes are more sensitive and might explode when foreign agent mostly Perfideoius Albion put fingers on. On general 90% of states e.g whole world could cope more or less with the situation. One nation state is retard 19th century relict and was taken out of history weapons only to single use serving in actual conflict. Useful as well to bode China about Uyghurs.....

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @WS
    @Mr. XYZ

    Though the interesting thing is that weren’t Slovenes treated fairly well in Austria....


    We were happy and obedient servants of Habsurg Empire for centuries, We were fine in first and second Jugoslavia and now in EU. We have mastered how to use multinational state in our fovour as tiny minority ;))

  349. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    The plans and open talk about the conquest of Russia are very common in the West.

    I've never seen any and I was reading over 200 articles a month. Not as many now as I am again busy with work.

    Let's see some sources.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Everyone from Biden to UK leaders, and their barking poodles in the Baltic-Poland has talked about the “regime change” in Russia. Some like senator Graham talked about killing Putin and articles in professional journals discussed how to defeat Russia or split it up, stage an internal uprising (in Wash Post this week), put the leaders in trial…what the hell do you think that means? Is it all just a clown-show?

    You are in the business of denying what is obvious to any observer. You do it by playing childish word games, deny what “change” means in this context, escape into obscurantism. None of that matters: from the Russian point view Nato is surrounding them, staged the coup in Kiev, attacked the Russian minority, EU ignored its “values” with the Baltic Russians, and there were open specific plans for getting Kiev into Nato. Was all of that really only a mindless collection of accidents and mistakes?

    What would any other country worth its name do when being surrounded and its people bullied?

  350. @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    I sit and work next to a 24 year old Mormon "kid" in the office. In his first year of production, he's breaking all sort of sales records at our successful Advisory firm. Sure, it helps that his father has long been a successful Advisor that he can lean on for advice and encouragement, but from my vantage point, his success is greatly derived from smarts and hard work. He's already spent two years over in Japan on missionary work, and knows the language and culture quite well. A tall, good looking guy too (he looks a lot like a young Charlton Heston), he's been able to attract an equally good looking spouse, and together they already have 3 kids! My impression of a few of the other Mormons in the office is equally positive. My relations with Mormons in Arizona has been quite positive. I used to report to one at another firm that I worked at. A super smart guy who treated me very fairly. They're good, hard working people - America could do much worse.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson, @Dmitry

    They should build a Maglev between San Jose and Salt Lake.

    It’s around 1000 kilometers, or 2 hours on Maglev. It would be possible to commute from Salt Lake to Silicon Valley. Investors could travel between and it will create a kind of Silicon Valley extension to Utah.

    For Mormons with families, they would just eat late when they arrive to their Salt Lake a couple hours later than the local workers, not much sacrifice exactly.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    Planes currently take about 2 hours long, one way, so I'm not sure that the costs associated with building a Maglev could be substantiated? Besides, I'm looking for ways to cut down my own 45 minute trek to work. Four hours round trip to go to work and home seems too onerous?

    https://www.greenbeltonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/MR5.ridership.icon_.png

    Replies: @Dmitry

  351. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    As John Johnson said, who exactly in the West is actually advocating in favor of conquering Russia nowadays? I'm sure that some or even many Westerners fantasize about regime change in Russia, but again, they're envisioning it as an internal transformation, not an external one. Why the fuck would the West want to spark a nuclear war with Russia?


    And placing Nato in Ukraine is an act of war as far as Russia is concerned.
     
    Then Ukraine can have its own nuclear deterrent instead, similar to what John Mearsheimer (whom Russia loves to quote when he's critical of NATO expansion) advocated back in 1993. Ukraine needs some way to protect itself, after all. And if this is acceptable to a NATO skeptic, then Russia can at least grudgingly tolerate it. Or would Russia prefer to deal with Ukraine through Washington and Berlin rather than through Kiev directly?

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Then Ukraine can have its own nuclear deterrent instead

    That ship has sailed. In the 90’s that was certainly a better option than the mindless expansion on Nato. But how would that happen now? With thousands of dead, deep hostilities and trigger happy desperate Kiev leaders it is will simply not happen. You reap what you saw, and Kiev has put itself into a corner – nobody including the US or UK – wants to see them anywhere close to nukes.

    Why the fuck would the West want to spark a nuclear war with Russia?

    I don’t think they do. It started out as a cosmic-size bluff: many in the West were convinced that Russia wouldn’t react. So they pushed and surrounded Russia, and when partially confronted – in Ossetia and Crimea – they doubled down. Russia called their bluff and now we are stuck because the West doesn’t like to lose face. They are looking for a way out but want a decent period and some gestures so they can present it as a draw or at least not a total defeat. That’s risky since they have very little left to play with.

    This is the result of letting blood-thirsty, inexperienced, revenge-seeking morons run the Western policy. It is one gigantic f…up. I hope we can find a way to walk away unscathed.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    This is the result of letting blood-thirsty, inexperienced, revenge-seeking morons run the Western policy. It is one gigantic f…up.
     
    As opposed to "blood thirsty, experienced, revenge-seeking morons that run Russian policy? Yeah, I guess that makes sense...

    https://www.usatoday.com/gcdn/media/USATODAY/WiresImages/2013/02/02/bd2854c0fe2a5b03280f6a7067001ad9-16_9.jpg?width=660&height=374&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp

    BTW, three more "experienced" Russian colonels have recently been killed in Ukraine, RIP.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/three-russian-colonels-wiped-out-in-single-storm-shadow-missile-strike-by-ukraine/ar-AA1jAEDG

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Didn't the West largely let Russia's actions in Ossetia and Crimea slide, though?

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikhail

  352. @Mr. XYZ
    @WS

    Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. Though the interesting thing is that weren't Slovenes treated fairly well in Austria, with them having some local autonomy and whatnot? This might be why a sizable part of the Carinthian Slovenes voted for Austria rather than for Yugoslavia in 1920, along with of course economic reasons.

    Yugoslavs had nothing to fear from Russia since Russia did not harbor aggressive designs towards them in the post-WWI years. It's only in the post-WWII years, especially under Stalin from 1948 to 1953, that the USSR was a significant danger and threat to Yugoslavia.

    BTW, off-topic, but I like the ethnic and religious diversity in Yugoslavia:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/6uxwrk/the_ethnic_divide_of_yugoslavia_1981_2757_x_1774/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/10v0nir/ethnic_composition_of_yugoslavia_in_1991/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/dsmfgy/religious_composition_of_yugoslavia_according_to/

    Too bad that Yugoslavs couldn't harmoniously coexist with each other in the long-run. Interestingly enough, white nationalists use Yugoslavia along with the USSR, Czechoslovakia, Austria-Hungary, the Russian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and/or British India to argue that diversity is a weakness rather than a strength.

    Replies: @WS, @WS

    Interestingly enough, white nationalists use Yugoslavia along with the USSR, Czechoslovakia, Austria-Hungary, the Russian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and/or British India to argue that diversity is a weakness rather than a strength.

    Diversity is blessing but need to be nursed. Multinational societes are more sensitive and might explode when foreign agent mostly Perfideoius Albion put fingers on. On general 90% of states e.g whole world could cope more or less with the situation. One nation state is retard 19th century relict and was taken out of history weapons only to single use serving in actual conflict. Useful as well to bode China about Uyghurs…..

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @WS


    ...white nationalists use Yugoslavia along with the USSR, Czechoslovakia, Austria-Hungary...
     
    More than one major nation in a country requires tact and letting go off the more ethno-centric ideas. Centralization creates a subsidized class and is the main reason why multi-ethnic countries break up - the center is often controlled by one ethnicity.

    You are wrong about Czechoslovakia; it was not about diversity, we get along. It was the inability to handle our diverse geography. Czechs were not willing for historical reasons to downplay Prague and Slovaks were thus geographically marginalized. It was easier to create a second state than a second capitol. People don't like to move.

  353. @Mr. XYZ
    @WS

    Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. Though the interesting thing is that weren't Slovenes treated fairly well in Austria, with them having some local autonomy and whatnot? This might be why a sizable part of the Carinthian Slovenes voted for Austria rather than for Yugoslavia in 1920, along with of course economic reasons.

    Yugoslavs had nothing to fear from Russia since Russia did not harbor aggressive designs towards them in the post-WWI years. It's only in the post-WWII years, especially under Stalin from 1948 to 1953, that the USSR was a significant danger and threat to Yugoslavia.

    BTW, off-topic, but I like the ethnic and religious diversity in Yugoslavia:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/6uxwrk/the_ethnic_divide_of_yugoslavia_1981_2757_x_1774/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/10v0nir/ethnic_composition_of_yugoslavia_in_1991/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/dsmfgy/religious_composition_of_yugoslavia_according_to/

    Too bad that Yugoslavs couldn't harmoniously coexist with each other in the long-run. Interestingly enough, white nationalists use Yugoslavia along with the USSR, Czechoslovakia, Austria-Hungary, the Russian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and/or British India to argue that diversity is a weakness rather than a strength.

    Replies: @WS, @WS

    Though the interesting thing is that weren’t Slovenes treated fairly well in Austria….

    We were happy and obedient servants of Habsurg Empire for centuries, We were fine in first and second Jugoslavia and now in EU. We have mastered how to use multinational state in our fovour as tiny minority ;))

  354. @Dmitry
    @Mr. Hack

    They should build a Maglev between San Jose and Salt Lake.

    It's around 1000 kilometers, or 2 hours on Maglev. It would be possible to commute from Salt Lake to Silicon Valley. Investors could travel between and it will create a kind of Silicon Valley extension to Utah.

    For Mormons with families, they would just eat late when they arrive to their Salt Lake a couple hours later than the local workers, not much sacrifice exactly.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Planes currently take about 2 hours long, one way, so I’m not sure that the costs associated with building a Maglev could be substantiated? Besides, I’m looking for ways to cut down my own 45 minute trek to work. Four hours round trip to go to work and home seems too onerous?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mr. Hack

    I don't think you can daily commute to work on a plane, unless you mean a private jet where you don't need to sit in the airport.

    But on the train it is far more comfortable and relaxing to commute than driving. After the invention of notebook computers, it can even be almost like office time for the workers.


    I’m not sure that the costs associated with building a Maglev could be substantiated?

     

    In Japan they are investing in the R&D cost, the US could purchase already-finished products from there.

    In terms of the cost-benefit? Silicon Valley is so productive, probably any transport projects connecting to there would be easy to justify.

    It would become rapidly popular in Silicon Valley to go on the Maglev to the Salt Lake. This could contribute to many future investments in Salt Lake. From the view of San Jose, it would be less beneficial than in the other direction, from the Utah view they would receive a lot of benefit.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

  355. @WS
    @Mr. XYZ

    Interestingly enough, white nationalists use Yugoslavia along with the USSR, Czechoslovakia, Austria-Hungary, the Russian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and/or British India to argue that diversity is a weakness rather than a strength.

    Diversity is blessing but need to be nursed. Multinational societes are more sensitive and might explode when foreign agent mostly Perfideoius Albion put fingers on. On general 90% of states e.g whole world could cope more or less with the situation. One nation state is retard 19th century relict and was taken out of history weapons only to single use serving in actual conflict. Useful as well to bode China about Uyghurs.....

    Replies: @Beckow

    …white nationalists use Yugoslavia along with the USSR, Czechoslovakia, Austria-Hungary…

    More than one major nation in a country requires tact and letting go off the more ethno-centric ideas. Centralization creates a subsidized class and is the main reason why multi-ethnic countries break up – the center is often controlled by one ethnicity.

    You are wrong about Czechoslovakia; it was not about diversity, we get along. It was the inability to handle our diverse geography. Czechs were not willing for historical reasons to downplay Prague and Slovaks were thus geographically marginalized. It was easier to create a second state than a second capitol. People don’t like to move.

  356. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Then Ukraine can have its own nuclear deterrent instead
     
    That ship has sailed. In the 90's that was certainly a better option than the mindless expansion on Nato. But how would that happen now? With thousands of dead, deep hostilities and trigger happy desperate Kiev leaders it is will simply not happen. You reap what you saw, and Kiev has put itself into a corner - nobody including the US or UK - wants to see them anywhere close to nukes.

    Why the fuck would the West want to spark a nuclear war with Russia?
     
    I don't think they do. It started out as a cosmic-size bluff: many in the West were convinced that Russia wouldn't react. So they pushed and surrounded Russia, and when partially confronted - in Ossetia and Crimea - they doubled down. Russia called their bluff and now we are stuck because the West doesn't like to lose face. They are looking for a way out but want a decent period and some gestures so they can present it as a draw or at least not a total defeat. That's risky since they have very little left to play with.

    This is the result of letting blood-thirsty, inexperienced, revenge-seeking morons run the Western policy. It is one gigantic f...up. I hope we can find a way to walk away unscathed.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

    This is the result of letting blood-thirsty, inexperienced, revenge-seeking morons run the Western policy. It is one gigantic f…up.

    As opposed to “blood thirsty, experienced, revenge-seeking morons that run Russian policy? Yeah, I guess that makes sense…

    BTW, three more “experienced” Russian colonels have recently been killed in Ukraine, RIP.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/three-russian-colonels-wiped-out-in-single-storm-shadow-missile-strike-by-ukraine/ar-AA1jAEDG

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    What's your point? The conflict was started by the poorly thought through Nato expansion to Ukraine. To claim that both sides are responsible makes no difference. Sure, it takes too sides to fight.

    You seem at the stage called, who cares as long as the other side suffers too! How does that help Ukraine?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mikhail

  357. @sudden death
    @LatW

    Not a rocketry expert myself, but wonder if ATACAMS, which are relatively more simple/dumb than newer UK/FR made SCALP missiles, would have been able to fly through all the multilayered RF air defense intact network in the south at the start of summer?

    If not, then the delay till autumn, waiting for depletion of that southern area air defense network might have been technically reasonable and justified decision.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Might be direct effect of those autumn ATACAMS strikes on RF helicopter airfields, if truly confirmed, also most likely means that RF military export/servicing capabilities of this specific aircraft type are done at least near term for next few years:

  358. @John Johnson
    @Sean

    I think the lack of large scale swift maneuvers is not because of weather but rather as the Ukrainian military commander said the other day because modern surveillance capabilities mean surprise is no longer possible and both sides have realised how to get real time targeting and easily destroy the other’s attacking formations before they have made much headway.

    This is what I concluded after some of the early Russian probing operations and yet the Ukrainians still tried big arrow type offensives. Even worse was announcing that an offensive was coming. US military analysts were correct that a defensive posture at Bakhmut was the best strategy. There goes the theory that Ukraine does whatever the US wants. The US also wanted them to go into a defensive posture before the invasion and Zelensky responded that it would only agitate Russia.

    You would think that Russia would change their tactics at this point but they are currently sending bunched up columns of armor at Avdiivka that hit mines and then are finished off by artillery. It's madness. I've seen 4 attacks go up in smoke. All the vehicles were filled with ammo which led to huge fireworks. I posted a video where the Ukrainians waited until the Russians were out of their vehicles before delivering a cluster bomb. They perfectly hit the radius and most likely killed everyone within it. The clusters also make fixing any vehicle impossible. They punch half dollar sized holes in everything.

    Let us define a Russian win as Ukraine officially conceding it has lost currently occupied territory forever after and capitulating on terms favourable to Russia.

    Let us define a Ukrainian win as Russia officially conceding it had to give back most Ukrainian territory and allow Ukraine to exist as a state.

    See I can do that too.

    We can all create definitions of a win in a stalemate. Unfortunately for Putin he laid out very clear goals in his invasion speech and the primary goal was keeping NATO from expanding East. Well that goal is a failure if Finland remains in NATO. This isn't Russian Totalitarian TV where his original speech will never be spoken of less the dictator has a critical thinker thrown from a window.

    As Mearsheimer said the other day. no matter who is in the White House, the US’s protégée Ukraine making any concession to losing the easternmost parts of the country in return for peace would be such a shattering blow to America’s global prestige that no president could possibly acquiesce in it.

    Boy is that some wishful thinking. I'm not a fan of the US status quo but the US government will win no matter where the lines are drawn. US defensive industries are having a bonanza. Only in their wildest dreams would congress line up and demand not only more spending but they also have outstanding orders for HIMARS and Excalibur from around the world.

    If we get lines drawn around Donbas then whoever is in the White House will be sitting on an economic boon. Oil will drop and all kinds of private contracts will be drawn up for Ukraine. A flood of capital will go into US companies. The companies that were in Russia will re-invest in Ukraine.

    The US can only lose if Putin gobbles up all of Ukraine. Putin has already signaled that he is willing to walk with Donbas/Zap/Crimea. That means all the pro-Russian military analysts were wrong in predicting a march on Kiev.

    Replies: @Sean, @Beckow

    The US can only lose if Putin gobbles up all of Ukraine

    No, because Putin’s mistakes can indirectly set the US on a path of relative decline. Just before WW1, Europe had 50% of global production (US 40%). Putin takes Russia from standing proud into into the slough of despond where it is looking for support at any price, China gets cheaper energy, and neither of those will be any kind of win for America.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Sean


    The US can only lose if Putin gobbles up all of Ukraine
     
    No, because Putin’s mistakes can indirectly set the US on a path of relative decline. Just before WW1, Europe had 50% of global production (US 40%). Putin takes Russia from standing proud into into the slough of despond where it is looking for support at any price, China gets cheaper energy, and neither of those will be any kind of win for America.

    How does China getting cheaper oil represent a loss for America?

    Cheap Russian oil for everyone is good for US business. The world economy isn't a finite pie. When China has a strong economy they are able to buy more US products.

    But the more important factor is that oil and gas will flow back to Western Europe. That will restore consumer confidence which will lead to more trade with the US.

    The US is in a win/win situation. If the Ruble takes a major hit then the US dollar will be seen as a safe investment. In that situation everyone gets cheap Russian oil which will lead to an increase in US exports.

    If the war ends then global consumer confidence will return and US exports will increase.

    Replies: @Sean

  359. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    This is the result of letting blood-thirsty, inexperienced, revenge-seeking morons run the Western policy. It is one gigantic f…up.
     
    As opposed to "blood thirsty, experienced, revenge-seeking morons that run Russian policy? Yeah, I guess that makes sense...

    https://www.usatoday.com/gcdn/media/USATODAY/WiresImages/2013/02/02/bd2854c0fe2a5b03280f6a7067001ad9-16_9.jpg?width=660&height=374&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp

    BTW, three more "experienced" Russian colonels have recently been killed in Ukraine, RIP.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/three-russian-colonels-wiped-out-in-single-storm-shadow-missile-strike-by-ukraine/ar-AA1jAEDG

    Replies: @Beckow

    What’s your point? The conflict was started by the poorly thought through Nato expansion to Ukraine. To claim that both sides are responsible makes no difference. Sure, it takes too sides to fight.

    You seem at the stage called, who cares as long as the other side suffers too! How does that help Ukraine?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    The conflict was started by the poorly thought through Nato expansion to Ukraine. To claim that both sides are responsible makes no difference. Sure, it takes too sides to fight.
     
    NATO never expanded into Ukraine. It even wasn't close to being let in, and yet this triggered a war within Europe that hadn't been seen since WWII? Yet Finland and Sweden actually have since become full fledged members, and barely a whimper? Something doesn't calculate here, and sounds like another stupid conclusion made by kremlinstoogeA123?
    , @Mikhail
    @Beckow

    Arguing with idiots who repeat BS. Finland and Sweden were on their way of becoming NATO members or pretty much such regardless. Their security doesn't improve by being in that org. Ukraine has been slated as an anti-Russian base with useful svido idiots.

    OSCE noted an increase in Kiev regime shelling of Donbass in the weeks prior to 2/24/22. Stoltenberg acknowledged a war like situation there in the years prior to 2/24/22, adding that NATO was arming and training Kiev regime forces. There was also some talk of a Croat Operation Storm scenario for Donbass along with Kiev regime, French and German acknowledgement that the Minsk Accords weren't intended to be implemented. Bloody Boris hijacked the March 2022 Istanbul settlement talks.

    Fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian has been openly expressed. Germany and Japan changed tune after WW II. Its not out of the question to see a somewhat similar scenario among those in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine. As is, not all of the folks there are svidos.

    Replies: @AP, @Beckow

  360. @John Johnson
    @Sean

    I think the lack of large scale swift maneuvers is not because of weather but rather as the Ukrainian military commander said the other day because modern surveillance capabilities mean surprise is no longer possible and both sides have realised how to get real time targeting and easily destroy the other’s attacking formations before they have made much headway.

    This is what I concluded after some of the early Russian probing operations and yet the Ukrainians still tried big arrow type offensives. Even worse was announcing that an offensive was coming. US military analysts were correct that a defensive posture at Bakhmut was the best strategy. There goes the theory that Ukraine does whatever the US wants. The US also wanted them to go into a defensive posture before the invasion and Zelensky responded that it would only agitate Russia.

    You would think that Russia would change their tactics at this point but they are currently sending bunched up columns of armor at Avdiivka that hit mines and then are finished off by artillery. It's madness. I've seen 4 attacks go up in smoke. All the vehicles were filled with ammo which led to huge fireworks. I posted a video where the Ukrainians waited until the Russians were out of their vehicles before delivering a cluster bomb. They perfectly hit the radius and most likely killed everyone within it. The clusters also make fixing any vehicle impossible. They punch half dollar sized holes in everything.

    Let us define a Russian win as Ukraine officially conceding it has lost currently occupied territory forever after and capitulating on terms favourable to Russia.

    Let us define a Ukrainian win as Russia officially conceding it had to give back most Ukrainian territory and allow Ukraine to exist as a state.

    See I can do that too.

    We can all create definitions of a win in a stalemate. Unfortunately for Putin he laid out very clear goals in his invasion speech and the primary goal was keeping NATO from expanding East. Well that goal is a failure if Finland remains in NATO. This isn't Russian Totalitarian TV where his original speech will never be spoken of less the dictator has a critical thinker thrown from a window.

    As Mearsheimer said the other day. no matter who is in the White House, the US’s protégée Ukraine making any concession to losing the easternmost parts of the country in return for peace would be such a shattering blow to America’s global prestige that no president could possibly acquiesce in it.

    Boy is that some wishful thinking. I'm not a fan of the US status quo but the US government will win no matter where the lines are drawn. US defensive industries are having a bonanza. Only in their wildest dreams would congress line up and demand not only more spending but they also have outstanding orders for HIMARS and Excalibur from around the world.

    If we get lines drawn around Donbas then whoever is in the White House will be sitting on an economic boon. Oil will drop and all kinds of private contracts will be drawn up for Ukraine. A flood of capital will go into US companies. The companies that were in Russia will re-invest in Ukraine.

    The US can only lose if Putin gobbles up all of Ukraine. Putin has already signaled that he is willing to walk with Donbas/Zap/Crimea. That means all the pro-Russian military analysts were wrong in predicting a march on Kiev.

    Replies: @Sean, @Beckow

    …US can only lose if Putin gobbles up all of Ukraine.

    Right. Why don’t you also throw in eastern Poland? Or Belgium?

    When people start losing they raise the bar for the other side. That’s what you are doing. It only shows that you are becoming desperate.

    Russia wins if Ukraine is weakened for 20 years, controls pro-Russian Ukie lands, Kiev rump government is not in Nato. They don’t need Galicia or other remote provinces – they only need to make sure those regions are weak and pose no threat to Russia.

    The profits for arms-makers or theatrics by chest-beating politicians are Western internal issues – why would Russia care? They are domestic Western issues – if people want to spend money on weapons and are willing to pay for it, it is their business. It has nothing to do with who wins or loses in Ukraine.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    …US can only lose if Putin gobbles up all of Ukraine.
     
    Right. Why don’t you also throw in eastern Poland? Or Belgium?

    Those countries are protected by NATO. Putin's totalitarian tv thugs however have discussed attacking both Poland and Germany. Russians seem to think that all of Eastern Europe and also half of Germany belongs to them.

    When people start losing they raise the bar for the other side. That’s what you are doing. It only shows that you are becoming desperate.

    Do explain since I have maintained since last year it is possible for Russia to win Donbas/Crimea through a war of attrition. I think taking all of Ukraine is extremely unlikely and has been since Putin was pushed out of Kiev. Shoigu signaled that they are willing to walk with Donbas/Crimea/Zap. I think you might be projecting the type of mindless fanboyism seen with Anglin/MacGregor/Ritter/Moon. I support Ukraine but unlike the aforementioned fanboys I don't make pronouncements about how Ukraine is going to win everything back. In fact I thought last year they were making a mistake over Bakhmut. How often does MacGregor talk about Russia making mistakes? Never. I also didn't support the grand offensive. It's actually possible to support a side in war without being a blind cheerleader. Seems to be a foreign concept to most here.

    Russia wins if Ukraine is weakened for 20 years, controls pro-Russian Ukie lands, Kiev rump government is not in Nato.

    I'll judge the results of the war by Putin's clearly stated goals and not the musings of an internet poster. He said the war was about preventing NATO from expanding East. That already happened through Finland. Perhaps he can make a deal with both Finland and Ukraine but I suspect he would rather have Donbas.

    The profits for arms-makers or theatrics by chest-beating politicians are Western internal issues – why would Russia care?

    I never said Russia should care. I was pointing out that the US will benefit when this war is over and US arms manufacturers are currently having a field day. What I find amusing is that pro-Putin supporters often have an anti-US attitude and yet this war will be ultimately more profitable for the US than Russia.
  361. Have heard that the Israeli ambassador to the UN pinned a yellow star of David to his chest, made a speech calling the UN the most antisemitic organization ever and said defund the UN.

    We are living in very strange times.

    Though, I put it down to play-acting and an excess of rhetoric.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird

    The UN creates wars rather than stopping them. And, it undermines sovereignty of Christian nations, including the U.S.

    Disbanding the UN is an excellent idea.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

  362. @Dmitry
    @songbird

    Before around the 16th century when they begin slow conversion to modern politicians and development of the modern state, the aristocrats in Europe are simply the most powerful mafia gangs, the most powerful hooligan families.

    This is still described in the time Shakespeare.

    For example, Montague and Capulets, which has as the origin the 15th century Italian story "Two Noble Lovers", are two mafia families of Verona, which is the same as the two ruling noble families of Verona.

    Today, Romeo and Juliet you could either show as something like "Bloods vs. Crips" or you could show it as "Clinton family vs Trump family".

    As the two modern professions of mafia and politician, are from the same branch of the tree in historical terms, to project the play to the future to either group would be possible.

    Replies: @songbird

    I am distantly descended from a woman whose entire male line of relatives from her grandfather onwards, including her father and at least three uncles were killed off in a feud, by their near kin, in the 1500s. One of the guys who killed her father was burned alive in a church, but I think that was a separate group who got him.

    That was a tough clan. They managed to do away with the Norman family who took their land, in the original conquest, which is pretty uncommon, but it was a remote area.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @songbird

    If you visit any of the rulers' houses that preserves things authentically from before around the 15th century or in the latest 16th century, it is visiting an old version of a Mexican mafia compound.

    There are weapons on the wall like the golden Kalashnikov of today, large tables for dinners and pictures of how they had killed the rival gangs.

    But there are the origins of the professions which after the Early Modern time transformed slowly to our modern politicians.


    away with the Norman family
     
    Several centuries in the past from then, the younger sons of the ruling Norman families had been some of the most effective and strategical in history, with methodology which is most similar today to the Mexican cartel.

    In the 11th century, Norman mercenaries conquered Southern Italy by a slow, methodical racketeering of the local rulers, extraction of conscripts, kidnapping of the local rulers for receiving ransom money. Then encastellation of the rule, build the powerful military compounds on the high areas above the peasants.

    Their castles following "form follows function" of the military utility, unlike some of the later centuries of romanticization version of the castle.

    https://hiddenarchitecture.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/foto_21_1.jpg

    Replies: @LatW

  363. Watched another Chinese movie: Too Cool to Kill. (2022)

    Laughed a number of times, which is more than I do with most comedies. But it was an uneven movie. The first 1/3 was the best, with the later references to Hollywood films being the low points. I understand it was based on a Japanese movie.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Too_Cool_to_Kill

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I too watched a film last night, a pretty good film noir to boot called "I Love Trouble" starring Franchot Tone (?) and Janet Blair. The plot is really quite interesting, if not a bit difficult to follow with a few twists that are typical for a lot of film noir films. Don't worry though, if you experience some difficulty in following the plot, there's a great summation of everything before the end that puts it all back into order. Great black and white photography, great nightclub scenes and the usual cast of gumshoes and goons to make it all a worthwhile experience. What made it even more special was that the film had been languishing in a dusty basement somewhere for several decades until TCM unearthed and premiered its TV debut last year in '22. You can now watch it for free on Youtube. I'll give it a short rest and watch it again before I forget how the plot goes...

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/78/I_Love_Trouble_poster.jpg
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Love_Trouble_(1948_film)#/media/File:I_Love_Trouble_poster.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

  364. @songbird
    Have heard that the Israeli ambassador to the UN pinned a yellow star of David to his chest, made a speech calling the UN the most antisemitic organization ever and said defund the UN.

    We are living in very strange times.

    Though, I put it down to play-acting and an excess of rhetoric.

    Replies: @A123

    The UN creates wars rather than stopping them. And, it undermines sovereignty of Christian nations, including the U.S.

    Disbanding the UN is an excellent idea.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123

    I myself would like to see the UN disbanded.

    Seems to be built around different odd conceits, like security council seats handed out based around WW2. IIRC, they didn't let in Ireland for a few years, since it had been a neutral country. And it is kind of crazy that Japan has no security council seat, and maybe a few others.

    There seems to be a lie in it that all countries are equal, which doesn't even seem to manifest in the least civilized states, who support fleecing the richer ones and sending their hordes into them.

    But it is strange to see an Israeli in the political class saying anything like that, as Israel almost has a defacto veto, based on the US. And Jews typically seem very internationally-minded. Asimov, for instance, promoted one-world government.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

  365. There is a bright side to Israel Palestine. It so obliterates interesting content on the internet you can go through the entirety of morning links in less time than it takes to eat breakfast. I haven’t wasted so little time in a year at least.

  366. @Mikel
    @John Johnson

    I know that your anti-Mormon faith is stronger than Mormons' faith in Joseph Smith but there is this state in the US called Utah. It's actually full of Mormons and they are, if anything, over-represented in all state institutions. If half of what you keep saying about Mormons was true, Utah would be an apartheid state where Mormons would swindle, take advantage of and discriminate against those of us non-Mormons living among them. However, we all live in remarkable harmony. Nothing of the like is visible at all in everyday life. In fact, I've spent at least half a year in half a dozen European countries and Utah is undoubtedly the highest trust society I've ever lived in, especially the Mormon-heavy areas. Neighbors know and take care of each other and Mormons and non-Mormons interact all the time as employers, employees, co-workers, customers and suppliers. In 10 years I've never witnessed an act of discrimination beyond what would be normal in any other place and I strongly suspect that swindles and discrimination are more prevalent in most other states.

    However, next time I have a chat with one of my good Mormon neighbors I'll ask them if they consider me their space slave. I hope you don't mind me having some laughs at your expense.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I know that your anti-Mormon faith is stronger than Mormons’ faith in Joseph Smith but there is this state in the US called Utah. It’s actually full of Mormons and they are, if anything, over-represented in all state institutions. If half of what you keep saying about Mormons was true, Utah would be an apartheid state where Mormons would swindle, take advantage of and discriminate against those of us non-Mormons living among them.

    You said yourself that you haven’t done business with them.

    Most of the time they are fine as neighbors or co-workers when their image is on the line.

    The problems occur when there is a business deal that relies on their morals and you aren’t in the club.

    The Mormon church has been sued multiple times for fraud
    https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/mormon-church-multibillion-investment-fund-sec-settlement-rcna71603

    That case was a multi-billion dollar investment scam using shell companies.

    It’s a money focused cult.

    However, next time I have a chat with one of my good Mormon neighbors I’ll ask them if they consider me their space slave. I hope you don’t mind me having some laughs at your expense.

    How would that be at my expense? I think their religion was completely fabricated by Joseph Smith. I don’t lose or gain anything by pointing out their space slavery beliefs.

    By all means ask where Christians and Jews go in the afterlife. Ask for specifics if the Mormons become gods on their own planets.

    Not sure how you can live around people that believe this story and view their neighbors as future slaves.

    An angel also told him he could bang multiple women and his wife had to deal with it.

    This is one of the most ridiculous cult stories. It is up there with a certain sci-fi cult that is popular with celebrities.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    You said yourself that you haven’t done business with them.
     
    No, I actually said that I do business of one sort of another with them on an almost daily basis. How can anyone get things so wrong? In fact, I have just repeated it in the comment you are responding to. What do you think being customers and suppliers means?

    And you are totally failing to address the big hole I have exposed in your narrative. If Mormons' attitudes and business practices with non-Mormons were the ones you describe Utah would be an apartheid state where the federal authorities would constantly have to intervene to protect the victims of such practices. The exact opposite is true. So many non-Mormons from other places have found a prosperous and peaceful life in Utah that I'm totally sure we are now a majority in the state.

    Ask for specifics if the Mormons become gods on their own planets.
     
    OK. And next time I meet a Christian I will ask him if it's true that God created women from a man's rib and people in Israel used to live 500 years. It's all in their sacred books so they must all necessarily believe it and be thinking about it all the time, must they not?

    Why don't you let it go? Mormons have weird beliefs (though not all that weirder than most other religions) and perhaps there are some Mormon communities out of Utah with questionable business practices. But you keep spouting nonsense. The modern LDS does NOT say that people will have 50 wives. On the contrary, they teach that marriage is forever and you will meet your spouse in the afterlife. The idea that if you hire Mormons to remodel your bathroom they will swindle you is so ridiculous that it makes me wonder if you've really ever met one in your life. The other day I hired a Mormon to fix my furnace and he did a fantastic job at a reasonable price. We'll have a cozy winter now thanks to him.

    Mormons are a small group of generally very well behaved people who are not planning to do any harm to you. Relax and don't be silly.

    Replies: @AP, @John Johnson

  367. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...US can only lose if Putin gobbles up all of Ukraine.
     
    Right. Why don't you also throw in eastern Poland? Or Belgium?

    When people start losing they raise the bar for the other side. That's what you are doing. It only shows that you are becoming desperate.

    Russia wins if Ukraine is weakened for 20 years, controls pro-Russian Ukie lands, Kiev rump government is not in Nato. They don't need Galicia or other remote provinces - they only need to make sure those regions are weak and pose no threat to Russia.

    The profits for arms-makers or theatrics by chest-beating politicians are Western internal issues - why would Russia care? They are domestic Western issues - if people want to spend money on weapons and are willing to pay for it, it is their business. It has nothing to do with who wins or loses in Ukraine.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    …US can only lose if Putin gobbles up all of Ukraine.

    Right. Why don’t you also throw in eastern Poland? Or Belgium?

    Those countries are protected by NATO. Putin’s totalitarian tv thugs however have discussed attacking both Poland and Germany. Russians seem to think that all of Eastern Europe and also half of Germany belongs to them.

    When people start losing they raise the bar for the other side. That’s what you are doing. It only shows that you are becoming desperate.

    Do explain since I have maintained since last year it is possible for Russia to win Donbas/Crimea through a war of attrition. I think taking all of Ukraine is extremely unlikely and has been since Putin was pushed out of Kiev. Shoigu signaled that they are willing to walk with Donbas/Crimea/Zap. I think you might be projecting the type of mindless fanboyism seen with Anglin/MacGregor/Ritter/Moon. I support Ukraine but unlike the aforementioned fanboys I don’t make pronouncements about how Ukraine is going to win everything back. In fact I thought last year they were making a mistake over Bakhmut. How often does MacGregor talk about Russia making mistakes? Never. I also didn’t support the grand offensive. It’s actually possible to support a side in war without being a blind cheerleader. Seems to be a foreign concept to most here.

    Russia wins if Ukraine is weakened for 20 years, controls pro-Russian Ukie lands, Kiev rump government is not in Nato.

    I’ll judge the results of the war by Putin’s clearly stated goals and not the musings of an internet poster. He said the war was about preventing NATO from expanding East. That already happened through Finland. Perhaps he can make a deal with both Finland and Ukraine but I suspect he would rather have Donbas.

    The profits for arms-makers or theatrics by chest-beating politicians are Western internal issues – why would Russia care?

    I never said Russia should care. I was pointing out that the US will benefit when this war is over and US arms manufacturers are currently having a field day. What I find amusing is that pro-Putin supporters often have an anti-US attitude and yet this war will be ultimately more profitable for the US than Russia.

  368. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    What's your point? The conflict was started by the poorly thought through Nato expansion to Ukraine. To claim that both sides are responsible makes no difference. Sure, it takes too sides to fight.

    You seem at the stage called, who cares as long as the other side suffers too! How does that help Ukraine?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mikhail

    The conflict was started by the poorly thought through Nato expansion to Ukraine. To claim that both sides are responsible makes no difference. Sure, it takes too sides to fight.

    NATO never expanded into Ukraine. It even wasn’t close to being let in, and yet this triggered a war within Europe that hadn’t been seen since WWII? Yet Finland and Sweden actually have since become full fledged members, and barely a whimper? Something doesn’t calculate here, and sounds like another stupid conclusion made by kremlinstoogeA123?

  369. @Sean
    @John Johnson


    The US can only lose if Putin gobbles up all of Ukraine
     
    No, because Putin's mistakes can indirectly set the US on a path of relative decline. Just before WW1, Europe had 50% of global production (US 40%). Putin takes Russia from standing proud into into the slough of despond where it is looking for support at any price, China gets cheaper energy, and neither of those will be any kind of win for America.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    The US can only lose if Putin gobbles up all of Ukraine

    No, because Putin’s mistakes can indirectly set the US on a path of relative decline. Just before WW1, Europe had 50% of global production (US 40%). Putin takes Russia from standing proud into into the slough of despond where it is looking for support at any price, China gets cheaper energy, and neither of those will be any kind of win for America.

    How does China getting cheaper oil represent a loss for America?

    Cheap Russian oil for everyone is good for US business. The world economy isn’t a finite pie. When China has a strong economy they are able to buy more US products.

    But the more important factor is that oil and gas will flow back to Western Europe. That will restore consumer confidence which will lead to more trade with the US.

    The US is in a win/win situation. If the Ruble takes a major hit then the US dollar will be seen as a safe investment. In that situation everyone gets cheap Russian oil which will lead to an increase in US exports.

    If the war ends then global consumer confidence will return and US exports will increase.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @John Johnson

    Who is in a position to benefit from global consumer confidence and burgeoning energy use? China is the main reason the arctic sea lane from China around Russia will soon be ice free. China is getting cheap LNG and coal from America, meanwhile it has a hammer lock on many phases of renewable energy production global supply lines that would be extremely disruptive for Washington to try and decouple from. It is unprecedented that Russia and China are now closer to each other that either one is to the US, which has dubbed them them as indirect enemy/competitor, especially as the challenges they present let them complement one another.

    What you are saying may well be true, but in my imagined past future view the Ukraine war will be identified as WW1 has been: a geopolitical watershed and economic revolution in where productive capacity is located. I think the US believes China's system will in the final analysis prove economically dysfunctional rather like the Russian command economy did, so Washington's corporation shills like Biden seek to maximize profitable business but cannot, do not, realise the longer term implications of the deals it makes with China.

    https://cdn.memes.com/up/80085901612738441/i/1623253472269.jpg

  370. @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    I know that your anti-Mormon faith is stronger than Mormons’ faith in Joseph Smith but there is this state in the US called Utah. It’s actually full of Mormons and they are, if anything, over-represented in all state institutions. If half of what you keep saying about Mormons was true, Utah would be an apartheid state where Mormons would swindle, take advantage of and discriminate against those of us non-Mormons living among them.

    You said yourself that you haven't done business with them.

    Most of the time they are fine as neighbors or co-workers when their image is on the line.

    The problems occur when there is a business deal that relies on their morals and you aren't in the club.

    The Mormon church has been sued multiple times for fraud
    https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/mormon-church-multibillion-investment-fund-sec-settlement-rcna71603

    That case was a multi-billion dollar investment scam using shell companies.

    It's a money focused cult.

    However, next time I have a chat with one of my good Mormon neighbors I’ll ask them if they consider me their space slave. I hope you don’t mind me having some laughs at your expense.

    How would that be at my expense? I think their religion was completely fabricated by Joseph Smith. I don't lose or gain anything by pointing out their space slavery beliefs.

    By all means ask where Christians and Jews go in the afterlife. Ask for specifics if the Mormons become gods on their own planets.

    Not sure how you can live around people that believe this story and view their neighbors as future slaves.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apnqBmv0ndY

    An angel also told him he could bang multiple women and his wife had to deal with it.

    This is one of the most ridiculous cult stories. It is up there with a certain sci-fi cult that is popular with celebrities.

    Replies: @Mikel

    You said yourself that you haven’t done business with them.

    No, I actually said that I do business of one sort of another with them on an almost daily basis. How can anyone get things so wrong? In fact, I have just repeated it in the comment you are responding to. What do you think being customers and suppliers means?

    And you are totally failing to address the big hole I have exposed in your narrative. If Mormons’ attitudes and business practices with non-Mormons were the ones you describe Utah would be an apartheid state where the federal authorities would constantly have to intervene to protect the victims of such practices. The exact opposite is true. So many non-Mormons from other places have found a prosperous and peaceful life in Utah that I’m totally sure we are now a majority in the state.

    Ask for specifics if the Mormons become gods on their own planets.

    OK. And next time I meet a Christian I will ask him if it’s true that God created women from a man’s rib and people in Israel used to live 500 years. It’s all in their sacred books so they must all necessarily believe it and be thinking about it all the time, must they not?

    Why don’t you let it go? Mormons have weird beliefs (though not all that weirder than most other religions) and perhaps there are some Mormon communities out of Utah with questionable business practices. But you keep spouting nonsense. The modern LDS does NOT say that people will have 50 wives. On the contrary, they teach that marriage is forever and you will meet your spouse in the afterlife. The idea that if you hire Mormons to remodel your bathroom they will swindle you is so ridiculous that it makes me wonder if you’ve really ever met one in your life. The other day I hired a Mormon to fix my furnace and he did a fantastic job at a reasonable price. We’ll have a cozy winter now thanks to him.

    Mormons are a small group of generally very well behaved people who are not planning to do any harm to you. Relax and don’t be silly.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel

    Your experiences mirror my own although mine are less extensive. They have been great socially when travelling in Utah and as people living in the neighborhood (one of my kids had a Mormon friend).

    However, I have heard complaints like those of Mr. Johnson from others when it comes to doing business - in areas where Mormons live, people even talk about people in business converting to Mormonism so they can survive when dealing with Mormons in business. So there may be something in that. I suspect that it's a matter of people simply preferring their own kind and not necessarily being evil about it. Other minorities engage in similar practices in business - Indians hiring Indians, Jews or Armenians doing the same. It's just a bit strange when the minority behaving this way consists of otherwise stereotypical Anglos.

    , @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    And you are totally failing to address the big hole I have exposed in your narrative. If Mormons’ attitudes and business practices with non-Mormons were the ones you describe Utah would be an apartheid state where the federal authorities would constantly have to intervene to protect the victims of such practices.

    No that isn't a big hole.

    They're the majority in Utah and in most cases their image is on the line.

    You can't trust them in cases where cheating is beneficial to them.

    Working with one at the office means nothing. An employee isn't in charge of the business and has to maintain certain expectations to maintain employment.

    Try working with them when they hired cousin Doofus Dingle to help with the contract because they don't want to hire non-Mormons.

    Their reputation proceeds them. The internet is filled with horror stories from doing business with them. Just google "don't do business with mormons" to see the results. They are known to rip people off and do shoddy work for non-Mormons.

    OK. And next time I meet a Christian I will ask him if it’s true that God created women from a man’s rib and people in Israel used to live 500 years. It’s all in their sacred books so they must all necessarily believe it and be thinking about it all the time, must they not?

    Seems reasonable compared to magic stones in a hat that say God is a man on a planet and you can take additional wives.

    The modern LDS does NOT say that people will have 50 wives.

    They don't share the full beliefs with the public.

    Mormons get planets with extra wives. They keep breeding with new wives while Christians and Jews become their slaves. You think they are going to put that on a brochure? A certain celebrity sci-fi cult is the same way. They don't talk about their full beliefs until you are a trusted member. They no longer endorse polygamy on earth but fully believe it will happen on their planets. They only reformed their position on polygamy because of political pressure and it still occurs in Mexico. Up until the 70s they believed that Blacks were the cursed tribe of Ham.

    Mormons are a small group of generally very well behaved people who are not planning to do any harm to you. Relax and don’t be silly.

    I no longer live near them but I simply don't like them. I don't have to embrace religions that are secretive and promote discrimination in employment against non-members. Religious tolerance is a suggestion. It's not some PC code I have to submit my will to for the sake of some ideal that doesn't exist. I don't like religions that divide my countrymen into chosen ones vs future slaves. I can't give them the benefit of the doubt when Joseph Smith was a known con-artist. Endorsing them is endorsing a successful con against the American public.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikel

  371. @A123
    @songbird

    The UN creates wars rather than stopping them. And, it undermines sovereignty of Christian nations, including the U.S.

    Disbanding the UN is an excellent idea.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

    I myself would like to see the UN disbanded.

    Seems to be built around different odd conceits, like security council seats handed out based around WW2. IIRC, they didn’t let in Ireland for a few years, since it had been a neutral country. And it is kind of crazy that Japan has no security council seat, and maybe a few others.

    There seems to be a lie in it that all countries are equal, which doesn’t even seem to manifest in the least civilized states, who support fleecing the richer ones and sending their hordes into them.

    But it is strange to see an Israeli in the political class saying anything like that, as Israel almost has a defacto veto, based on the US. And Jews typically seem very internationally-minded. Asimov, for instance, promoted one-world government.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird

    I do not understand why you are surprised. The U.S. has a veto only in the Security Council. That is not where the damage is being done.

    Consider agencies such as UNHRC and UNRWA that spend all of their time targeting Palestinian Jews. If UNRWA did not exist, there would be no "refugee problem". The normal definition does not allow children to inherit their parents and grandparents status. There are only about 50,000 refugees left alive from 1948.

    The UN is a cesspool of hate that loathes Judeo-Christian values. It should be dissolved sooner rather than later.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

    , @LatW
    @songbird


    I myself would like to see the UN disbanded.
     
    Agree, the UN has turned into a completely useless army of parasites which at times may even be harmful. That was already obvious when the war in Ukraine started. The UN needs to be seriously reformed or lose its relevance. The Security Council is a joke.

    The bigger question is if we're going to have conflict proliferation and the world is becoming more complex in its interconnectivity and if the "rules based order" is seriously shattered, then what would be the right institutional framework to handle it (if it's even possible to control).

    It might be that simply having regional blocs with some kind of a global platform (with limited power but then that power would be enforced), could work better.

    Xi is going to meet Biden in San Francisco next week, and, even though the meeting is about the economy, I'm sure they will discuss the current wars. I'm not sure if it is in the interests of most countries in the world to have a world where only two big players decide things - the US and China.

    But even if we end up having a world where we have the global North (the West) and the global South (and China), the UN in its current form will not be that effective.

    How can one accept petty complaints coming from the UN Human Rights office - after what happened in Mariupol? And also in the Middle East for that matter.

    Replies: @songbird

  372. @songbird
    Watched another Chinese movie: Too Cool to Kill. (2022)

    Laughed a number of times, which is more than I do with most comedies. But it was an uneven movie. The first 1/3 was the best, with the later references to Hollywood films being the low points. I understand it was based on a Japanese movie.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Too_Cool_to_Kill

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I too watched a film last night, a pretty good film noir to boot called “I Love Trouble” starring Franchot Tone (?) and Janet Blair. The plot is really quite interesting, if not a bit difficult to follow with a few twists that are typical for a lot of film noir films. Don’t worry though, if you experience some difficulty in following the plot, there’s a great summation of everything before the end that puts it all back into order. Great black and white photography, great nightclub scenes and the usual cast of gumshoes and goons to make it all a worthwhile experience. What made it even more special was that the film had been languishing in a dusty basement somewhere for several decades until TCM unearthed and premiered its TV debut last year in ’22. You can now watch it for free on Youtube. I’ll give it a short rest and watch it again before I forget how the plot goes…

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    starring Franchot Tone (?)
     
    Do you mean to say you have never heard of anyone with the name Tone before?

    In Ireland, it is a famous name:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfe_Tone

    There is also a band named after him.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  373. @songbird
    @A123

    I myself would like to see the UN disbanded.

    Seems to be built around different odd conceits, like security council seats handed out based around WW2. IIRC, they didn't let in Ireland for a few years, since it had been a neutral country. And it is kind of crazy that Japan has no security council seat, and maybe a few others.

    There seems to be a lie in it that all countries are equal, which doesn't even seem to manifest in the least civilized states, who support fleecing the richer ones and sending their hordes into them.

    But it is strange to see an Israeli in the political class saying anything like that, as Israel almost has a defacto veto, based on the US. And Jews typically seem very internationally-minded. Asimov, for instance, promoted one-world government.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

    I do not understand why you are surprised. The U.S. has a veto only in the Security Council. That is not where the damage is being done.

    Consider agencies such as UNHRC and UNRWA that spend all of their time targeting Palestinian Jews. If UNRWA did not exist, there would be no “refugee problem”. The normal definition does not allow children to inherit their parents and grandparents status. There are only about 50,000 refugees left alive from 1948.

    The UN is a cesspool of hate that loathes Judeo-Christian values. It should be dissolved sooner rather than later.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123

    Didn't Bibi work at the UN?

  374. First eye transplant (with part of a face.) Don’t see how it could possibly work out well.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67375145

    Cybernetics is probably a better approach, as it wouldn’t necessarily require immuno-suppressives. For other organs, I would say 3D printing or pig chimeras.

  375. @A123
    @songbird

    I do not understand why you are surprised. The U.S. has a veto only in the Security Council. That is not where the damage is being done.

    Consider agencies such as UNHRC and UNRWA that spend all of their time targeting Palestinian Jews. If UNRWA did not exist, there would be no "refugee problem". The normal definition does not allow children to inherit their parents and grandparents status. There are only about 50,000 refugees left alive from 1948.

    The UN is a cesspool of hate that loathes Judeo-Christian values. It should be dissolved sooner rather than later.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

    Didn’t Bibi work at the UN?

  376. US Military has Overextended Itself – John Mearsheimer, Alexander Mercouris and Glenn Diesen

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    kremlonstooges of a feather all flock together.....

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Wokechoke

  377. @Mikhail
    US Military has Overextended Itself - John Mearsheimer, Alexander Mercouris and Glenn Diesen
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-C-G0aBcwY&t=172s

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    kremlonstooges of a feather all flock together…..

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    People making good sense (them) versus those like you.

    Replies: @PetrOldSack

    , @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    Maggot.

  378. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    What's your point? The conflict was started by the poorly thought through Nato expansion to Ukraine. To claim that both sides are responsible makes no difference. Sure, it takes too sides to fight.

    You seem at the stage called, who cares as long as the other side suffers too! How does that help Ukraine?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mikhail

    Arguing with idiots who repeat BS. Finland and Sweden were on their way of becoming NATO members or pretty much such regardless. Their security doesn’t improve by being in that org. Ukraine has been slated as an anti-Russian base with useful svido idiots.

    OSCE noted an increase in Kiev regime shelling of Donbass in the weeks prior to 2/24/22. Stoltenberg acknowledged a war like situation there in the years prior to 2/24/22, adding that NATO was arming and training Kiev regime forces. There was also some talk of a Croat Operation Storm scenario for Donbass along with Kiev regime, French and German acknowledgement that the Minsk Accords weren’t intended to be implemented. Bloody Boris hijacked the March 2022 Istanbul settlement talks.

    Fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian has been openly expressed. Germany and Japan changed tune after WW II. Its not out of the question to see a somewhat similar scenario among those in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine. As is, not all of the folks there are svidos.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail


    Fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian has been openly expressed.
     
    In Russia, some say that Putin is fighting Ukrainians to the last Russian. The war is nicknamed Russorez. If you hadn't failed to learn the language of the country you claim to love, you would know what that means.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @Beckow
    @Mikhail

    It is amusing for them to run like scared chickens when someone mentions the Nato march to Ukraine. It demonstrates what we all know: if the Nato plan for Ukraine to turn it into an anti-Russia base would be allowed to be discussed in the West it would take the air from their mindless one-sided jingoism.

    That's why our industrious posters fight so hard and lie so much to deny the obvious: the plan was to move Nato to Ukraine and Russians out, including the Crimea bases. It failed - so now in desperation their fallback is to deny it. it is actually quite silly. We do live in a clown-world.

    Finland and Sweden have been de facto in Nato for decades - Sweden even participated in Nato military actions. The move to make it official changes nothing militarily. The reason it was kept informal before was not to hurt their trade with Russia too much - so everyone pretended.

    If the failed Nato crusaders walk away from this fiasco by claiming that they at least expanded Nato to Finland-Sweden and thus it wasn't a total loss, I think it is ok to give it to them. It makes them hurt slightly less. But these are not serious people, they need lollipops to calm down and Finns are a great lollipop...:)

    Replies: @Mikhail

  379. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    kremlonstooges of a feather all flock together.....

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Wokechoke

    People making good sense (them) versus those like you.

    • Replies: @PetrOldSack
    @Mikhail

    I cannot help but see how lame Alexander Mercouris is. He redefines "chow". I cannot help but notice his knitting of commonplaces into "AI" generated phrases. Recompiling the New York Times after they in turn did a make-over of the wire services. Tar comes in layers. I cannot help but see and hear a "talking head", to my experience (there might be others, or more recent examples since) the champion of copy-paste in pod-casting. When will he come up with an original idea. Best chance, not in his lifetime! Clogging up with the others tells one the context and quality of the discourse.

    Thanks for pushing him to the fore. You must have a commission in peddling his t-shirts.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Emil Nikola Richard

  380. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I too watched a film last night, a pretty good film noir to boot called "I Love Trouble" starring Franchot Tone (?) and Janet Blair. The plot is really quite interesting, if not a bit difficult to follow with a few twists that are typical for a lot of film noir films. Don't worry though, if you experience some difficulty in following the plot, there's a great summation of everything before the end that puts it all back into order. Great black and white photography, great nightclub scenes and the usual cast of gumshoes and goons to make it all a worthwhile experience. What made it even more special was that the film had been languishing in a dusty basement somewhere for several decades until TCM unearthed and premiered its TV debut last year in '22. You can now watch it for free on Youtube. I'll give it a short rest and watch it again before I forget how the plot goes...

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/78/I_Love_Trouble_poster.jpg
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Love_Trouble_(1948_film)#/media/File:I_Love_Trouble_poster.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

    starring Franchot Tone (?)

    Do you mean to say you have never heard of anyone with the name Tone before?

    In Ireland, it is a famous name:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfe_Tone

    There is also a band named after him.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    It was "Franchot" that threw me. None were to be found in my neighborhood while growing up. :-)

    Replies: @songbird

  381. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    You said yourself that you haven’t done business with them.
     
    No, I actually said that I do business of one sort of another with them on an almost daily basis. How can anyone get things so wrong? In fact, I have just repeated it in the comment you are responding to. What do you think being customers and suppliers means?

    And you are totally failing to address the big hole I have exposed in your narrative. If Mormons' attitudes and business practices with non-Mormons were the ones you describe Utah would be an apartheid state where the federal authorities would constantly have to intervene to protect the victims of such practices. The exact opposite is true. So many non-Mormons from other places have found a prosperous and peaceful life in Utah that I'm totally sure we are now a majority in the state.

    Ask for specifics if the Mormons become gods on their own planets.
     
    OK. And next time I meet a Christian I will ask him if it's true that God created women from a man's rib and people in Israel used to live 500 years. It's all in their sacred books so they must all necessarily believe it and be thinking about it all the time, must they not?

    Why don't you let it go? Mormons have weird beliefs (though not all that weirder than most other religions) and perhaps there are some Mormon communities out of Utah with questionable business practices. But you keep spouting nonsense. The modern LDS does NOT say that people will have 50 wives. On the contrary, they teach that marriage is forever and you will meet your spouse in the afterlife. The idea that if you hire Mormons to remodel your bathroom they will swindle you is so ridiculous that it makes me wonder if you've really ever met one in your life. The other day I hired a Mormon to fix my furnace and he did a fantastic job at a reasonable price. We'll have a cozy winter now thanks to him.

    Mormons are a small group of generally very well behaved people who are not planning to do any harm to you. Relax and don't be silly.

    Replies: @AP, @John Johnson

    Your experiences mirror my own although mine are less extensive. They have been great socially when travelling in Utah and as people living in the neighborhood (one of my kids had a Mormon friend).

    However, I have heard complaints like those of Mr. Johnson from others when it comes to doing business – in areas where Mormons live, people even talk about people in business converting to Mormonism so they can survive when dealing with Mormons in business. So there may be something in that. I suspect that it’s a matter of people simply preferring their own kind and not necessarily being evil about it. Other minorities engage in similar practices in business – Indians hiring Indians, Jews or Armenians doing the same. It’s just a bit strange when the minority behaving this way consists of otherwise stereotypical Anglos.

  382. @Mikhail
    @Beckow

    Arguing with idiots who repeat BS. Finland and Sweden were on their way of becoming NATO members or pretty much such regardless. Their security doesn't improve by being in that org. Ukraine has been slated as an anti-Russian base with useful svido idiots.

    OSCE noted an increase in Kiev regime shelling of Donbass in the weeks prior to 2/24/22. Stoltenberg acknowledged a war like situation there in the years prior to 2/24/22, adding that NATO was arming and training Kiev regime forces. There was also some talk of a Croat Operation Storm scenario for Donbass along with Kiev regime, French and German acknowledgement that the Minsk Accords weren't intended to be implemented. Bloody Boris hijacked the March 2022 Istanbul settlement talks.

    Fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian has been openly expressed. Germany and Japan changed tune after WW II. Its not out of the question to see a somewhat similar scenario among those in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine. As is, not all of the folks there are svidos.

    Replies: @AP, @Beckow

    Fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian has been openly expressed.

    In Russia, some say that Putin is fighting Ukrainians to the last Russian. The war is nicknamed Russorez. If you hadn’t failed to learn the language of the country you claim to love, you would know what that means.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP


    In Russia, some say that Putin is fighting Ukrainians to the last Russian. The war is nicknamed Russorez. If you hadn’t failed to learn the language of the country you claim to love, you would know what that means.
     
    An extreme minority that a deluded type like yourself will hype as a greater reality.

    Keep denying the actual casualty exchange rate between the two armed combatants, which greatly favors Russia.

    Крайнее меньшинство, которое такой заблуждающийся тип, как вы, будет преподносить как большую реальность.

    Продолжайте отрицать реальный обменный курс потерь между двумя вооруженными воюющими сторонами, что очень выгодно России.

    Replies: @AP

  383. @John Johnson
    @Sean


    The US can only lose if Putin gobbles up all of Ukraine
     
    No, because Putin’s mistakes can indirectly set the US on a path of relative decline. Just before WW1, Europe had 50% of global production (US 40%). Putin takes Russia from standing proud into into the slough of despond where it is looking for support at any price, China gets cheaper energy, and neither of those will be any kind of win for America.

    How does China getting cheaper oil represent a loss for America?

    Cheap Russian oil for everyone is good for US business. The world economy isn't a finite pie. When China has a strong economy they are able to buy more US products.

    But the more important factor is that oil and gas will flow back to Western Europe. That will restore consumer confidence which will lead to more trade with the US.

    The US is in a win/win situation. If the Ruble takes a major hit then the US dollar will be seen as a safe investment. In that situation everyone gets cheap Russian oil which will lead to an increase in US exports.

    If the war ends then global consumer confidence will return and US exports will increase.

    Replies: @Sean

    Who is in a position to benefit from global consumer confidence and burgeoning energy use? China is the main reason the arctic sea lane from China around Russia will soon be ice free. China is getting cheap LNG and coal from America, meanwhile it has a hammer lock on many phases of renewable energy production global supply lines that would be extremely disruptive for Washington to try and decouple from. It is unprecedented that Russia and China are now closer to each other that either one is to the US, which has dubbed them them as indirect enemy/competitor, especially as the challenges they present let them complement one another.

    What you are saying may well be true, but in my imagined past future view the Ukraine war will be identified as WW1 has been: a geopolitical watershed and economic revolution in where productive capacity is located. I think the US believes China’s system will in the final analysis prove economically dysfunctional rather like the Russian command economy did, so Washington’s corporation shills like Biden seek to maximize profitable business but cannot, do not, realise the longer term implications of the deals it makes with China.

    • Thanks: PetrOldSack
  384. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    People making good sense (them) versus those like you.

    Replies: @PetrOldSack

    I cannot help but see how lame Alexander Mercouris is. He redefines “chow”. I cannot help but notice his knitting of commonplaces into “AI” generated phrases. Recompiling the New York Times after they in turn did a make-over of the wire services. Tar comes in layers. I cannot help but see and hear a “talking head”, to my experience (there might be others, or more recent examples since) the champion of copy-paste in pod-casting. When will he come up with an original idea. Best chance, not in his lifetime! Clogging up with the others tells one the context and quality of the discourse.

    Thanks for pushing him to the fore. You must have a commission in peddling his t-shirts.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @PetrOldSack


    I cannot help but see how lame Alexander Mercouris is. He redefines “chow”. I cannot help but notice his knitting of commonplaces into “AI” generated phrases. Recompiling the New York Times after they in turn did a make-over of the wire services. Tar comes in layers. I cannot help but see and hear a “talking head”, to my experience (there might be others, or more recent examples since) the champion of copy-paste in pod-casting. When will he come up with an original idea. Best chance, not in his lifetime! Clogging up with the others tells one the context and quality of the discourse.

    Thanks for pushing him to the fore. You must have a commission in peddling his t-shirts.

     

    Not at all on the last point. He keenly follows what goes on and provides regular daily Russia related summations, which is much more informative than daily doses of the BBC, NYT, WaPo, CNN, NPR and PBS combined. He has also exhibited independence from the Russian government.
    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @PetrOldSack

    Are you fluent in Russia?

    He is a waste of time for people who can see his sources firsthand. For those of us who cannot understand Russian he is one source of information not otherwise available. If you don't understand Russian and talk trash about the guy you are being kind of stupid.

  385. @Mikhail
    @Beckow

    Arguing with idiots who repeat BS. Finland and Sweden were on their way of becoming NATO members or pretty much such regardless. Their security doesn't improve by being in that org. Ukraine has been slated as an anti-Russian base with useful svido idiots.

    OSCE noted an increase in Kiev regime shelling of Donbass in the weeks prior to 2/24/22. Stoltenberg acknowledged a war like situation there in the years prior to 2/24/22, adding that NATO was arming and training Kiev regime forces. There was also some talk of a Croat Operation Storm scenario for Donbass along with Kiev regime, French and German acknowledgement that the Minsk Accords weren't intended to be implemented. Bloody Boris hijacked the March 2022 Istanbul settlement talks.

    Fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian has been openly expressed. Germany and Japan changed tune after WW II. Its not out of the question to see a somewhat similar scenario among those in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine. As is, not all of the folks there are svidos.

    Replies: @AP, @Beckow

    It is amusing for them to run like scared chickens when someone mentions the Nato march to Ukraine. It demonstrates what we all know: if the Nato plan for Ukraine to turn it into an anti-Russia base would be allowed to be discussed in the West it would take the air from their mindless one-sided jingoism.

    That’s why our industrious posters fight so hard and lie so much to deny the obvious: the plan was to move Nato to Ukraine and Russians out, including the Crimea bases. It failed – so now in desperation their fallback is to deny it. it is actually quite silly. We do live in a clown-world.

    Finland and Sweden have been de facto in Nato for decades – Sweden even participated in Nato military actions. The move to make it official changes nothing militarily. The reason it was kept informal before was not to hurt their trade with Russia too much – so everyone pretended.

    If the failed Nato crusaders walk away from this fiasco by claiming that they at least expanded Nato to Finland-Sweden and thus it wasn’t a total loss, I think it is ok to give it to them. It makes them hurt slightly less. But these are not serious people, they need lollipops to calm down and Finns are a great lollipop…:)

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Beckow

    You really know they're toast when they trollishly drift to other issues.

  386. @AP
    @Mikhail


    Fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian has been openly expressed.
     
    In Russia, some say that Putin is fighting Ukrainians to the last Russian. The war is nicknamed Russorez. If you hadn't failed to learn the language of the country you claim to love, you would know what that means.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    In Russia, some say that Putin is fighting Ukrainians to the last Russian. The war is nicknamed Russorez. If you hadn’t failed to learn the language of the country you claim to love, you would know what that means.

    An extreme minority that a deluded type like yourself will hype as a greater reality.

    Keep denying the actual casualty exchange rate between the two armed combatants, which greatly favors Russia.

    Крайнее меньшинство, которое такой заблуждающийся тип, как вы, будет преподносить как большую реальность.

    Продолжайте отрицать реальный обменный курс потерь между двумя вооруженными воюющими сторонами, что очень выгодно России.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail


    Keep denying the actual casualty exchange rate
     
    How many Russians do you think have died, in your fantasies? 50,000?

    And how many Ukrainians? 300,000? 3 million?

    Congratulations on figuring out google translate.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow, @Mr. Hack

  387. @Beckow
    @Mikhail

    It is amusing for them to run like scared chickens when someone mentions the Nato march to Ukraine. It demonstrates what we all know: if the Nato plan for Ukraine to turn it into an anti-Russia base would be allowed to be discussed in the West it would take the air from their mindless one-sided jingoism.

    That's why our industrious posters fight so hard and lie so much to deny the obvious: the plan was to move Nato to Ukraine and Russians out, including the Crimea bases. It failed - so now in desperation their fallback is to deny it. it is actually quite silly. We do live in a clown-world.

    Finland and Sweden have been de facto in Nato for decades - Sweden even participated in Nato military actions. The move to make it official changes nothing militarily. The reason it was kept informal before was not to hurt their trade with Russia too much - so everyone pretended.

    If the failed Nato crusaders walk away from this fiasco by claiming that they at least expanded Nato to Finland-Sweden and thus it wasn't a total loss, I think it is ok to give it to them. It makes them hurt slightly less. But these are not serious people, they need lollipops to calm down and Finns are a great lollipop...:)

    Replies: @Mikhail

    You really know they’re toast when they trollishly drift to other issues.

  388. @PetrOldSack
    @Mikhail

    I cannot help but see how lame Alexander Mercouris is. He redefines "chow". I cannot help but notice his knitting of commonplaces into "AI" generated phrases. Recompiling the New York Times after they in turn did a make-over of the wire services. Tar comes in layers. I cannot help but see and hear a "talking head", to my experience (there might be others, or more recent examples since) the champion of copy-paste in pod-casting. When will he come up with an original idea. Best chance, not in his lifetime! Clogging up with the others tells one the context and quality of the discourse.

    Thanks for pushing him to the fore. You must have a commission in peddling his t-shirts.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Emil Nikola Richard

    I cannot help but see how lame Alexander Mercouris is. He redefines “chow”. I cannot help but notice his knitting of commonplaces into “AI” generated phrases. Recompiling the New York Times after they in turn did a make-over of the wire services. Tar comes in layers. I cannot help but see and hear a “talking head”, to my experience (there might be others, or more recent examples since) the champion of copy-paste in pod-casting. When will he come up with an original idea. Best chance, not in his lifetime! Clogging up with the others tells one the context and quality of the discourse.

    Thanks for pushing him to the fore. You must have a commission in peddling his t-shirts.

    Not at all on the last point. He keenly follows what goes on and provides regular daily Russia related summations, which is much more informative than daily doses of the BBC, NYT, WaPo, CNN, NPR and PBS combined. He has also exhibited independence from the Russian government.

  389. @PetrOldSack
    @Mikhail

    I cannot help but see how lame Alexander Mercouris is. He redefines "chow". I cannot help but notice his knitting of commonplaces into "AI" generated phrases. Recompiling the New York Times after they in turn did a make-over of the wire services. Tar comes in layers. I cannot help but see and hear a "talking head", to my experience (there might be others, or more recent examples since) the champion of copy-paste in pod-casting. When will he come up with an original idea. Best chance, not in his lifetime! Clogging up with the others tells one the context and quality of the discourse.

    Thanks for pushing him to the fore. You must have a commission in peddling his t-shirts.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Are you fluent in Russia?

    He is a waste of time for people who can see his sources firsthand. For those of us who cannot understand Russian he is one source of information not otherwise available. If you don’t understand Russian and talk trash about the guy you are being kind of stupid.

  390. @Mikhail
    @AP


    In Russia, some say that Putin is fighting Ukrainians to the last Russian. The war is nicknamed Russorez. If you hadn’t failed to learn the language of the country you claim to love, you would know what that means.
     
    An extreme minority that a deluded type like yourself will hype as a greater reality.

    Keep denying the actual casualty exchange rate between the two armed combatants, which greatly favors Russia.

    Крайнее меньшинство, которое такой заблуждающийся тип, как вы, будет преподносить как большую реальность.

    Продолжайте отрицать реальный обменный курс потерь между двумя вооруженными воюющими сторонами, что очень выгодно России.

    Replies: @AP

    Keep denying the actual casualty exchange rate

    How many Russians do you think have died, in your fantasies? 50,000?

    And how many Ukrainians? 300,000? 3 million?

    Congratulations on figuring out google translate.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP


    How many Russians do you think have died, in your fantasies? 50,000?

    And how many Ukrainians? 300,000? 3 million?

    Congratulations on figuring out google translate.
     

    Congrats on being an imbecile. Whatever the actual casualty figures, it's quite clear the Kiev regime has incurred far more than Russia.

    Offhand, the 50K Russian casualty figure seems to be within a reasonable figure (could be less). Most surely under 75K to date. The Kiev regime's is anywhere between 300K on up.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Beckow
    @AP


    ...How many Russians do you think have died...And how many Ukrainians?
     
    Wouldn't you agree that too many? They died for the insane dream of placing Nato in Ukraine so they can better intimidate Russia. Too many Ukies were taken by the usual promises made by the West. That's how they operate - they paint a great future and make vague promises. Somehow that future"always stays in the "future". Except for a few lucky ones who get rewarded as soon as they deliver. (But I guess it beats the alternative - Ukieland is a dreary land.)

    Ukraine is slowly collapsing, they have started the usual internal fights that always precede the end. A year ago a neutral Ukraine 80% of its territory could have been negotiated. I doubt that deal is still available. It could end with a 20 million defanged central-west refuge with some trade deal with EU, no official Nato but lots of excited secret plotting, angry and disappointed people. Kind of like an EU appendage for cheap labor - Guatemala of eastern Europe. Like we really needed another Moldova.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Your fondness for numbers and accuracy are a hallmark of your writing style. Undoubtedly you've assembled your own estimates of these casualties. I, for one, would be curious to hear what you've come up with?

    Replies: @AP

  391. Lebanon is ramping up their rhetoric against Israel. Israel has done it’s most expansive bombing Lebanon since the beginning of the war. Gallant has explicitly threatened Lebanese civilians and said that Israel will completely destroy Beirut.

    Pray for regional war

    • Replies: @A123
    @Greasy William


    Lebanon is ramping up their rhetoric against Israel
     
    More precision is needed. Lebanon is essentially a failed state incapable of policy. You should instead say that Iran's proxy Hezbollah is pushing rhetoric. Gallant explicitly countered Hezbollah, stating that Israel will not allow them to hide behind human shields.

    Iranian Hezbollah escalation could lead to action against them by the Lebanese civilians they are deliberately placing at risk. Remember, Hezbollah lost significant popularity after the Nasrallah-shima blast destroyed the Port of Beirut.

    Pray for regional war
     
    No. Judeo-Christians pray for regional peace. War will be fought if necessary, but it should not be prayed for. I do not claim to be a deep theologian, but even rudimentary review clearly shows that praying for war damages the soul.

    PEACE 😇
    , @LatW
    @Greasy William


    Pray for regional war
     
    No, dear, the Jews will just have to suck it up and deal with this and the rest of the world will not be dragged into this. The Messiah will not save you. Not for now, at least. The rest of the world does not want to fight these wars.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  392. @songbird
    @A123

    I myself would like to see the UN disbanded.

    Seems to be built around different odd conceits, like security council seats handed out based around WW2. IIRC, they didn't let in Ireland for a few years, since it had been a neutral country. And it is kind of crazy that Japan has no security council seat, and maybe a few others.

    There seems to be a lie in it that all countries are equal, which doesn't even seem to manifest in the least civilized states, who support fleecing the richer ones and sending their hordes into them.

    But it is strange to see an Israeli in the political class saying anything like that, as Israel almost has a defacto veto, based on the US. And Jews typically seem very internationally-minded. Asimov, for instance, promoted one-world government.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

    I myself would like to see the UN disbanded.

    Agree, the UN has turned into a completely useless army of parasites which at times may even be harmful. That was already obvious when the war in Ukraine started. The UN needs to be seriously reformed or lose its relevance. The Security Council is a joke.

    The bigger question is if we’re going to have conflict proliferation and the world is becoming more complex in its interconnectivity and if the “rules based order” is seriously shattered, then what would be the right institutional framework to handle it (if it’s even possible to control).

    It might be that simply having regional blocs with some kind of a global platform (with limited power but then that power would be enforced), could work better.

    Xi is going to meet Biden in San Francisco next week, and, even though the meeting is about the economy, I’m sure they will discuss the current wars. I’m not sure if it is in the interests of most countries in the world to have a world where only two big players decide things – the US and China.

    But even if we end up having a world where we have the global North (the West) and the global South (and China), the UN in its current form will not be that effective.

    How can one accept petty complaints coming from the UN Human Rights office – after what happened in Mariupol? And also in the Middle East for that matter.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LatW

    Did any other country ever had a head of state that started as an ambassador to the UN, like Israel? In America, it would be totally unthinkable.


    It might be that simply having regional blocs

     

    I wonder if the UN might have weirdly preserved any countries that would have otherwise felt the need to form larger blocks. Like for example in the Arab world (I am not specifically thinking of places like Kuwait, but perhaps more like Syria and Iraq joining.). Or say, Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines.

    I'd hate to think of the EU being a model for any place, as it seems so dysfunctional.

    But even if we end up having a world where we have the global North (the West) and the global South (and China)
     
    I'm not sure to what extent there will be hard divisions in the Third World.

    Right now there is the Artemis accords and its Chinese counterpart. I haven't really looked into the details. I imagine it might be partly related to ground radio dish stations, but it seems like a joke, if that is the new cold war.

    These days everyone seems to be engaging in some kind of military adventurism. But I suspect that the bigger players are generally too dysfunctional for direct wars, to say nothing of nukes.

    Replies: @LatW

  393. @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry

    If there is a post-war plan for Gaza, it would likely necessitate a very severe violation of it by Hamas for Israel to annul its consent to this plan. I suspect, however, that Hamas's military capabilities will be significantly degraded as a result of the current Gaza invasion. We shall see.

    Israel isn't Azerbaijan, though. It's an actual democracy, so higher standards are expected of it than for Azerbaijan. I'm sure that some right-wing Israelis dream of doing to Gaza what Azerbaijan did to Nagorno-Karabakh, but thankfully it's just not plausible.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Israel isn’t Azerbaijan, though. It’s an actual democracy

    Israel’s policy, although not the preferences of the population, is one of the world’s most liberal countries, with a lot of the function of government controlled by the high court judges.

    It received the benefits of the liberal democracy, including from the economic point of view, the social life, the cultural freedom. But it is also viewed, this policy is not able to protect its citizens or project the authority to its neighbors, where Israel is usually perceived like some kind of fragile glass. In the Arab world they say “Israel is weaker than a spider web”, which the leader of Hezbollah said last week also.

    Internal politics of Israel also developed an unhealthy dynamic, where the politicians give fake right-wing rhetoric to appease their populations, while the real policies go in opposite direction. So, then the politicians’ populist rhetoric becomes more fake right-wing, while Israel’s policy becomes increasingly liberal every year.

    Israel pays the social cost of their politicians’ fake right-wing rhetoric in West, where they don’t distinguish the rhetoric and reality, while the Arabs perceive real situation of the reduction of the cost of conflict with Israel and they are not scared by a false rhetoric of the populist politicians. It’s also increasing the distrust of the population to their government and the elite organs like the media and the universities.

    After the attacks in the 7th of October, Israel continues in the strange dichotomy, with the war government of liberal Gantz, Gallant and Netanyahu, while the right-wing coalition government is saying a populist rhetoric to appease the population.

    Israel’s military response has been smaller than expected in the Arab world and weaker than the Israeli population has expected, for example allowing open Rafah crossing and daily cease-fire. They probably follow Biden’s plan and Washington DC is partly planning the operation. Israel’s population is still in shock mode and don’t have time to become angry or input their own preferences through elections.

    So, if Israel’s war government follows the plan Biden will support, it will possibly be able to avoid pressure as far as Biden is still president only. If Trump is president in 2025, the internal pressure in Israel could be to re-conceive the relation with Gaza.

    I also wonder if Netanyahu will try a kind of compromise solution. This would try to only accept temporary postwar planning, until after Biden would be president. So, 2024 he could try to delay the postwar planning to be permanent, or avoid signing something permanent, with a dream of Trump winning in November 2024.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Dmitry


    Israel is weaker than a spider web
     
    In Kurosawa's remake of Macbeth, Throne of Blood, the main castle was called Spider Web Castle, and all the other fortresses were only weirdly numbered: 1, 2, and 3.

    I guess it was meant to show their impermanence, which is probably even truer for wooden castles, as predominate in Japan. Though, people would commonly take stones from castles in Europe to build their homes.

    One of the other things I remember from that movie is the fact that the main character got bloody hands from killing someone with a spear, which seemed really funny to me.
    , @A123
    @Dmitry


    In the Arab world they say “Israel is weaker than a spider web”, which the leader of Hezbollah said last week also.
     
    Sometimes simple expressions work -- That was Then. This is Now. -- October 7 fundamentally changed the situation.

    Israel’s policy, although not the preferences of the population, is one of the world’s most liberal countries, with a lot of the function of government controlled by the high court judges.
     
    Netanyahu had been creeping up on this slowly to placate international constituencies. After the fighting stops, it will return as a priority. The pathetic Leftoid courts will be reformed to align with the current beliefs of Palestinian Jews.

    after Biden would be president. So, 2024 he could try to delay the postwar planning to be permanent, or avoid signing something permanent, with a dream of Trump winning in November 2024.
     
    Ignoring Not-The-President Biden is what every serious national leader does, friends and foes alike. The trail of bribery and corruption makes his entire administration devoid of influence. It is a pest to be sprayed & managed.

    Trump faces a similar failing judiciary here at home. There is every reason to expect his 2nd term will support necessary Israeli court reforms and actions to contain the Iranian threat.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Dmitry

  394. @AP
    @LatW


    In the Slavic domain (and in the Baltic, as well) – there is the so called druzhina, the prince’s retinue, or a group of elite knights (in the early Middle ages or during the so called viking age). The Varangians / the Varyag. These are traditions that we have the knowledge and some record of, but do we really know how groups similar to druzhina behaved in a more distant past?
     
    In Ukrainian lands, the oldest nobility arose from druzhina, Rus princes (adventurous Norse and Wendish soldiers/pirates/traders), knights, and and boyars (Slavic chieftain families). Presumably the latter needed to be both bold and diplomatic - and violent, when necessary - to achieve their positions. The numbers were augmented over time as others distinguished themselves, often on the battlefield. One of my lines, Vankovich, descend from a Rus soldier (in what is now Belarus) called Vanko who was ennobled by Kęstutis of Lithuania in the 14th century as a reward for doing well in some battle (perhaps, against the Muscovites). This family would produce a castellan of Minsk. Most became Polonized, the most famous of whom was famous artist who made the best known portrait of Adam Mickiewicz:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walenty_Wa%C5%84kowicz

    A branch of this family moved to what is now Galicia and mixed with the local Rus there. They became Ukrainian nationalists. So ironically the Ukrainian and Polish branches were fighting each other in 1919.

    Hundreds of noble families in Galicia bear the Sas coat of arms. These are supposedly descended from a large number of Transylvanian Saxon knights who were invited by King Daniel of Galicia in the 13th century to fight the Mongols in exchange for lands in Galicia (though my grandmother and most of my relatives from one of these families looked rather Mediterranean, so maybe they were in fact Romanians).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sas_coat_of_arms

    The mother of king Sobieski of Poland belonged to one of these families, a family who were governors of Rus. As do the Kulchytskys (a common family in the American Ukrainian diaspora, though their most famous member was the guy who introduced coffee to the Viennese).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerzy_Franciszek_Kulczycki

    I’m not assuming that they were necessarily overly brutal or unjust, but they must have been a kind of a violent enforcer (which may have involved borderline theft). I’d say, “military prowess” sounds like a very cleaned up way of describing it (although not untrue)
     
    Violence would not have been enough - those who were both violent and stupid and unskilled would not have lasted long and would not have left behind any heirs. Likewise those who were indiscriminently violent and brutal such that others would just kill them off for their own safety.

    Replies: @LatW

    One of my lines, Vankovich, descend from a Rus soldier (in what is now Belarus) called Vanko who was ennobled by Kęstutis of Lithuania in the 14th century as a reward for doing well in some battle (perhaps, against the Muscovites).

    That is quite remarkable, since Kestutis (or Keistut, as the E.Slavs call him) was the son of Gediminas and the father of Vytautas (who led the Lithuanians to victory in the Battle of Grunwald and who controlled much of Ruthenia and apparently even had a castle or a fort in Crimea).

    Kestutis was extremely important in holding back the Knights from the Rus’ and Lithuanian lands (he was a good diplomat, apparently a smooth talker who could also show some sudden ruthlessness, if needed, btw, his name could mean “the one who can bear a lot”). At the time the Lithuanians had to fight on both sides, and the Lithuanian dukes were the gatherers of the Rus’ lands in the true sense of this term.

    I have visited the wonderful and romantic castle of Trakai (the home of the Lithuanian dukes) but have not had a chance to visit the Kreva castle (where Kestutis and Vytautas were held during the feuds and where the prenuptial was signed for Jogaila and Jadwiga). There is also the Dubno castle in Ukraine where Prince Ostrogski lived.

    The famous painting of the Battle of Grunwald by Polish painter Jan Matejko (with Vytautas in the middle):

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @LatW

    btw, the only surviving medieval contemporary image of Vytautas from his seal imho has some slight facial resemblances to the modern typical caricatural depictions of our beloved neighbouring guy Putin;)

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Seal_of_Vytautas_the_Great.jpg

    https://i.postimg.cc/C1LrcCjc/kitchen.jpg

    Replies: @LatW

  395. @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ


    Israel isn’t Azerbaijan, though. It’s an actual democracy
     
    Israel's policy, although not the preferences of the population, is one of the world's most liberal countries, with a lot of the function of government controlled by the high court judges.

    It received the benefits of the liberal democracy, including from the economic point of view, the social life, the cultural freedom. But it is also viewed, this policy is not able to protect its citizens or project the authority to its neighbors, where Israel is usually perceived like some kind of fragile glass. In the Arab world they say "Israel is weaker than a spider web", which the leader of Hezbollah said last week also.

    Internal politics of Israel also developed an unhealthy dynamic, where the politicians give fake right-wing rhetoric to appease their populations, while the real policies go in opposite direction. So, then the politicians' populist rhetoric becomes more fake right-wing, while Israel's policy becomes increasingly liberal every year.

    Israel pays the social cost of their politicians' fake right-wing rhetoric in West, where they don't distinguish the rhetoric and reality, while the Arabs perceive real situation of the reduction of the cost of conflict with Israel and they are not scared by a false rhetoric of the populist politicians. It's also increasing the distrust of the population to their government and the elite organs like the media and the universities.

    After the attacks in the 7th of October, Israel continues in the strange dichotomy, with the war government of liberal Gantz, Gallant and Netanyahu, while the right-wing coalition government is saying a populist rhetoric to appease the population.

    Israel's military response has been smaller than expected in the Arab world and weaker than the Israeli population has expected, for example allowing open Rafah crossing and daily cease-fire. They probably follow Biden's plan and Washington DC is partly planning the operation. Israel's population is still in shock mode and don't have time to become angry or input their own preferences through elections.

    So, if Israel's war government follows the plan Biden will support, it will possibly be able to avoid pressure as far as Biden is still president only. If Trump is president in 2025, the internal pressure in Israel could be to re-conceive the relation with Gaza.

    I also wonder if Netanyahu will try a kind of compromise solution. This would try to only accept temporary postwar planning, until after Biden would be president. So, 2024 he could try to delay the postwar planning to be permanent, or avoid signing something permanent, with a dream of Trump winning in November 2024.

    Replies: @songbird, @A123

    Israel is weaker than a spider web

    In Kurosawa’s remake of Macbeth, Throne of Blood, the main castle was called Spider Web Castle, and all the other fortresses were only weirdly numbered: 1, 2, and 3.

    I guess it was meant to show their impermanence, which is probably even truer for wooden castles, as predominate in Japan. Though, people would commonly take stones from castles in Europe to build their homes.

    One of the other things I remember from that movie is the fact that the main character got bloody hands from killing someone with a spear, which seemed really funny to me.

  396. @Greasy William
    Lebanon is ramping up their rhetoric against Israel. Israel has done it's most expansive bombing Lebanon since the beginning of the war. Gallant has explicitly threatened Lebanese civilians and said that Israel will completely destroy Beirut.

    Pray for regional war

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

    Lebanon is ramping up their rhetoric against Israel

    More precision is needed. Lebanon is essentially a failed state incapable of policy. You should instead say that Iran’s proxy Hezbollah is pushing rhetoric. Gallant explicitly countered Hezbollah, stating that Israel will not allow them to hide behind human shields.

    Iranian Hezbollah escalation could lead to action against them by the Lebanese civilians they are deliberately placing at risk. Remember, Hezbollah lost significant popularity after the Nasrallah-shima blast destroyed the Port of Beirut.

    Pray for regional war

    No. Judeo-Christians pray for regional peace. War will be fought if necessary, but it should not be prayed for. I do not claim to be a deep theologian, but even rudimentary review clearly shows that praying for war damages the soul.

    PEACE 😇

  397. @Greasy William
    Lebanon is ramping up their rhetoric against Israel. Israel has done it's most expansive bombing Lebanon since the beginning of the war. Gallant has explicitly threatened Lebanese civilians and said that Israel will completely destroy Beirut.

    Pray for regional war

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

    Pray for regional war

    No, dear, the Jews will just have to suck it up and deal with this and the rest of the world will not be dragged into this. The Messiah will not save you. Not for now, at least. The rest of the world does not want to fight these wars.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    What if CIA Mossad had a war and nobody else showed up?

    Replies: @LatW

  398. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    You said yourself that you haven’t done business with them.
     
    No, I actually said that I do business of one sort of another with them on an almost daily basis. How can anyone get things so wrong? In fact, I have just repeated it in the comment you are responding to. What do you think being customers and suppliers means?

    And you are totally failing to address the big hole I have exposed in your narrative. If Mormons' attitudes and business practices with non-Mormons were the ones you describe Utah would be an apartheid state where the federal authorities would constantly have to intervene to protect the victims of such practices. The exact opposite is true. So many non-Mormons from other places have found a prosperous and peaceful life in Utah that I'm totally sure we are now a majority in the state.

    Ask for specifics if the Mormons become gods on their own planets.
     
    OK. And next time I meet a Christian I will ask him if it's true that God created women from a man's rib and people in Israel used to live 500 years. It's all in their sacred books so they must all necessarily believe it and be thinking about it all the time, must they not?

    Why don't you let it go? Mormons have weird beliefs (though not all that weirder than most other religions) and perhaps there are some Mormon communities out of Utah with questionable business practices. But you keep spouting nonsense. The modern LDS does NOT say that people will have 50 wives. On the contrary, they teach that marriage is forever and you will meet your spouse in the afterlife. The idea that if you hire Mormons to remodel your bathroom they will swindle you is so ridiculous that it makes me wonder if you've really ever met one in your life. The other day I hired a Mormon to fix my furnace and he did a fantastic job at a reasonable price. We'll have a cozy winter now thanks to him.

    Mormons are a small group of generally very well behaved people who are not planning to do any harm to you. Relax and don't be silly.

    Replies: @AP, @John Johnson

    And you are totally failing to address the big hole I have exposed in your narrative. If Mormons’ attitudes and business practices with non-Mormons were the ones you describe Utah would be an apartheid state where the federal authorities would constantly have to intervene to protect the victims of such practices.

    No that isn’t a big hole.

    They’re the majority in Utah and in most cases their image is on the line.

    You can’t trust them in cases where cheating is beneficial to them.

    Working with one at the office means nothing. An employee isn’t in charge of the business and has to maintain certain expectations to maintain employment.

    Try working with them when they hired cousin Doofus Dingle to help with the contract because they don’t want to hire non-Mormons.

    Their reputation proceeds them. The internet is filled with horror stories from doing business with them. Just google “don’t do business with mormons” to see the results. They are known to rip people off and do shoddy work for non-Mormons.

    OK. And next time I meet a Christian I will ask him if it’s true that God created women from a man’s rib and people in Israel used to live 500 years. It’s all in their sacred books so they must all necessarily believe it and be thinking about it all the time, must they not?

    Seems reasonable compared to magic stones in a hat that say God is a man on a planet and you can take additional wives.

    The modern LDS does NOT say that people will have 50 wives.

    They don’t share the full beliefs with the public.

    Mormons get planets with extra wives. They keep breeding with new wives while Christians and Jews become their slaves. You think they are going to put that on a brochure? A certain celebrity sci-fi cult is the same way. They don’t talk about their full beliefs until you are a trusted member. They no longer endorse polygamy on earth but fully believe it will happen on their planets. They only reformed their position on polygamy because of political pressure and it still occurs in Mexico. Up until the 70s they believed that Blacks were the cursed tribe of Ham.

    Mormons are a small group of generally very well behaved people who are not planning to do any harm to you. Relax and don’t be silly.

    I no longer live near them but I simply don’t like them. I don’t have to embrace religions that are secretive and promote discrimination in employment against non-members. Religious tolerance is a suggestion. It’s not some PC code I have to submit my will to for the sake of some ideal that doesn’t exist. I don’t like religions that divide my countrymen into chosen ones vs future slaves. I can’t give them the benefit of the doubt when Joseph Smith was a known con-artist. Endorsing them is endorsing a successful con against the American public.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @John Johnson


    They keep breeding with new wives while Christians and Jews become their slaves.
     
    When you put it that way, it made me think that the Mormon religion became attractive to some people for the same reason that people are now buying Bronze Age Pervert's book because it uses the words "selective breeding" in its title.

    Did they make any attempts at presenting any kind of a rational explanation as to where all those new, young and beautiful wives would be coming from? Or are they just provided by God? E.g., wishful thinking and fantasies.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson

    , @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    They’re the majority in Utah and in most cases their image is on the line.
     
    This is a unique kind of silly.

    So when a group of unscrupulous swindlers are in the majority they need to look after their image and will refrain from acting the way they are inclined to. However, when they are a minority there is no reason to keep the appearances and that's when they will victimize you.

    Makes perfect sense lol. There's no denying people like Mr XYZ and you have brought some peculiar entertainment to this blog. Chances of meeting people like you in real life are near zero.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  399. @songbird
    @Dmitry

    I am distantly descended from a woman whose entire male line of relatives from her grandfather onwards, including her father and at least three uncles were killed off in a feud, by their near kin, in the 1500s. One of the guys who killed her father was burned alive in a church, but I think that was a separate group who got him.

    That was a tough clan. They managed to do away with the Norman family who took their land, in the original conquest, which is pretty uncommon, but it was a remote area.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    If you visit any of the rulers’ houses that preserves things authentically from before around the 15th century or in the latest 16th century, it is visiting an old version of a Mexican mafia compound.

    There are weapons on the wall like the golden Kalashnikov of today, large tables for dinners and pictures of how they had killed the rival gangs.

    But there are the origins of the professions which after the Early Modern time transformed slowly to our modern politicians.

    away with the Norman family

    Several centuries in the past from then, the younger sons of the ruling Norman families had been some of the most effective and strategical in history, with methodology which is most similar today to the Mexican cartel.

    In the 11th century, Norman mercenaries conquered Southern Italy by a slow, methodical racketeering of the local rulers, extraction of conscripts, kidnapping of the local rulers for receiving ransom money. Then encastellation of the rule, build the powerful military compounds on the high areas above the peasants.

    Their castles following “form follows function” of the military utility, unlike some of the later centuries of romanticization version of the castle.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry

    I had the same word in my mind, racketeering, when thinking of these old druzhinas, just didn't want to use it as it's not very flattering (instead I used the word "enforcer" which is more neutral), even though that's most likely what they engaged in. Although I'm sure at times it may have been mutually beneficial for all parties involved.

  400. @LatW
    @songbird


    I myself would like to see the UN disbanded.
     
    Agree, the UN has turned into a completely useless army of parasites which at times may even be harmful. That was already obvious when the war in Ukraine started. The UN needs to be seriously reformed or lose its relevance. The Security Council is a joke.

    The bigger question is if we're going to have conflict proliferation and the world is becoming more complex in its interconnectivity and if the "rules based order" is seriously shattered, then what would be the right institutional framework to handle it (if it's even possible to control).

    It might be that simply having regional blocs with some kind of a global platform (with limited power but then that power would be enforced), could work better.

    Xi is going to meet Biden in San Francisco next week, and, even though the meeting is about the economy, I'm sure they will discuss the current wars. I'm not sure if it is in the interests of most countries in the world to have a world where only two big players decide things - the US and China.

    But even if we end up having a world where we have the global North (the West) and the global South (and China), the UN in its current form will not be that effective.

    How can one accept petty complaints coming from the UN Human Rights office - after what happened in Mariupol? And also in the Middle East for that matter.

    Replies: @songbird

    Did any other country ever had a head of state that started as an ambassador to the UN, like Israel? In America, it would be totally unthinkable.

    [MORE]

    It might be that simply having regional blocs

    I wonder if the UN might have weirdly preserved any countries that would have otherwise felt the need to form larger blocks. Like for example in the Arab world (I am not specifically thinking of places like Kuwait, but perhaps more like Syria and Iraq joining.). Or say, Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines.

    I’d hate to think of the EU being a model for any place, as it seems so dysfunctional.

    But even if we end up having a world where we have the global North (the West) and the global South (and China)

    I’m not sure to what extent there will be hard divisions in the Third World.

    Right now there is the Artemis accords and its Chinese counterpart. I haven’t really looked into the details. I imagine it might be partly related to ground radio dish stations, but it seems like a joke, if that is the new cold war.

    These days everyone seems to be engaging in some kind of military adventurism. But I suspect that the bigger players are generally too dysfunctional for direct wars, to say nothing of nukes.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @songbird


    Did any other country ever had a head of state that started as an ambassador to the UN, like Israel? In America, it would be totally unthinkable.
     
    I don't have enough knowledge of this but my guess would be that Israel might be an exception here, because of their ongoing difficulties with the UN. Someone who was able to get in the weeds and fight hard for Israel at the UN as an ambassador might actually be revered in Israel, whereas in other countries an ambassador to the UN might be viewed as a boring career functionary (and might in fact typically be someone who goes to the UN when their normal political or bureaucrat career has already ended - it's a bit of a sinecure whereas Israel doesn't have such luxuries).

    I wonder if the UN might have weirdly preserved any countries that would have otherwise felt the need to form larger blocks.
     

    The "rules based system" is very good as long as it works. As long as there is some stability and observance of "rights". When this doesn't exist and when the world is more dangerous, the countries will naturally flock together. I would think so at least, even though, obviously, there is a ton of regional bickering and mini-alliances among many countries, of course.

    I’d hate to think of the EU being a model for any place, as it seems so dysfunctional.
     
    If you take aside multi-culturalism and non-Euro immigrant issues, then the EU actually functions quite well. Remember that this is a very large number of countries, each with rather high standards when it comes to having their needs met (or at least heard). If the EU had some kind of a tangible common defense or military component, it would actually be a very good example of what a solid regional bloc should look like.

    Right now there is the Artemis accords and its Chinese counterpart.
     
    It isn't bad, but it is a very narrow sphere, although important.

    These days everyone seems to be engaging in some kind of military adventurism. But I suspect that the bigger players are generally too dysfunctional for direct wars, to say nothing of nukes.

     

    The problem is that it's already bad enough even without the big players getting directly involved with each other. And it's not so much that they are dysfunctional but that thankfully they do not appear to be interested enough in a large war (too much interconnectivity or interdependence).

    But this isn't good enough, because we need something new and permanent that allows us to return to the "rules based order" where large predator type actors cannot just do what they want randomly. Partitioning a large country such as Ukraine is a huge deal (same as driving millions into exile within weeks) or killing thousands in days such as in Palestine is also unacceptable. If nothing can be done to avoid this, then well armed, protective regional blocs might be the answer. The only issue then would be what to do with the weaker populations who do not fit into such blocs or are left on the margins where they are cruelly exploited.

    Replies: @songbird

  401. @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ


    Israel isn’t Azerbaijan, though. It’s an actual democracy
     
    Israel's policy, although not the preferences of the population, is one of the world's most liberal countries, with a lot of the function of government controlled by the high court judges.

    It received the benefits of the liberal democracy, including from the economic point of view, the social life, the cultural freedom. But it is also viewed, this policy is not able to protect its citizens or project the authority to its neighbors, where Israel is usually perceived like some kind of fragile glass. In the Arab world they say "Israel is weaker than a spider web", which the leader of Hezbollah said last week also.

    Internal politics of Israel also developed an unhealthy dynamic, where the politicians give fake right-wing rhetoric to appease their populations, while the real policies go in opposite direction. So, then the politicians' populist rhetoric becomes more fake right-wing, while Israel's policy becomes increasingly liberal every year.

    Israel pays the social cost of their politicians' fake right-wing rhetoric in West, where they don't distinguish the rhetoric and reality, while the Arabs perceive real situation of the reduction of the cost of conflict with Israel and they are not scared by a false rhetoric of the populist politicians. It's also increasing the distrust of the population to their government and the elite organs like the media and the universities.

    After the attacks in the 7th of October, Israel continues in the strange dichotomy, with the war government of liberal Gantz, Gallant and Netanyahu, while the right-wing coalition government is saying a populist rhetoric to appease the population.

    Israel's military response has been smaller than expected in the Arab world and weaker than the Israeli population has expected, for example allowing open Rafah crossing and daily cease-fire. They probably follow Biden's plan and Washington DC is partly planning the operation. Israel's population is still in shock mode and don't have time to become angry or input their own preferences through elections.

    So, if Israel's war government follows the plan Biden will support, it will possibly be able to avoid pressure as far as Biden is still president only. If Trump is president in 2025, the internal pressure in Israel could be to re-conceive the relation with Gaza.

    I also wonder if Netanyahu will try a kind of compromise solution. This would try to only accept temporary postwar planning, until after Biden would be president. So, 2024 he could try to delay the postwar planning to be permanent, or avoid signing something permanent, with a dream of Trump winning in November 2024.

    Replies: @songbird, @A123

    In the Arab world they say “Israel is weaker than a spider web”, which the leader of Hezbollah said last week also.

    Sometimes simple expressions work — That was Then. This is Now. — October 7 fundamentally changed the situation.

    Israel’s policy, although not the preferences of the population, is one of the world’s most liberal countries, with a lot of the function of government controlled by the high court judges.

    Netanyahu had been creeping up on this slowly to placate international constituencies. After the fighting stops, it will return as a priority. The pathetic Leftoid courts will be reformed to align with the current beliefs of Palestinian Jews.

    after Biden would be president. So, 2024 he could try to delay the postwar planning to be permanent, or avoid signing something permanent, with a dream of Trump winning in November 2024.

    Ignoring Not-The-President Biden is what every serious national leader does, friends and foes alike. The trail of bribery and corruption makes his entire administration devoid of influence. It is a pest to be sprayed & managed.

    Trump faces a similar failing judiciary here at home. There is every reason to expect his 2nd term will support necessary Israeli court reforms and actions to contain the Iranian threat.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @A123

    From the view of the Republican Party, Trump is possibly the heel of Achilles for their guarantee to win the presidential election 2024.

    Although Trump is currently more popular than Biden, he still has a significant chance to lose the election, which he already lost against Biden in 2020.

    For comparison, if the Republican Party could nominate a new candidate like Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, they would probably easily defeat Biden.

    Between Trump vs Biden, it's still not so sure who will win in 2024.

    Replies: @A123

  402. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    starring Franchot Tone (?)
     
    Do you mean to say you have never heard of anyone with the name Tone before?

    In Ireland, it is a famous name:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfe_Tone

    There is also a band named after him.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    It was “Franchot” that threw me. None were to be found in my neighborhood while growing up. 🙂

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Seems to have been the maiden name of his mother, which he adopted as a stage name in leiu of his real first name, Stanislaus. Guessing some French-Canadian ancestry. I wonder if he wanted to avoid association with communism, or whether it was about the sound.

    He was apparently distantly related to Wolfe Tone.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchot_Tone

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  403. @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    Planes currently take about 2 hours long, one way, so I'm not sure that the costs associated with building a Maglev could be substantiated? Besides, I'm looking for ways to cut down my own 45 minute trek to work. Four hours round trip to go to work and home seems too onerous?

    https://www.greenbeltonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/MR5.ridership.icon_.png

    Replies: @Dmitry

    I don’t think you can daily commute to work on a plane, unless you mean a private jet where you don’t need to sit in the airport.

    But on the train it is far more comfortable and relaxing to commute than driving. After the invention of notebook computers, it can even be almost like office time for the workers.

    I’m not sure that the costs associated with building a Maglev could be substantiated?

    In Japan they are investing in the R&D cost, the US could purchase already-finished products from there.

    In terms of the cost-benefit? Silicon Valley is so productive, probably any transport projects connecting to there would be easy to justify.

    It would become rapidly popular in Silicon Valley to go on the Maglev to the Salt Lake. This could contribute to many future investments in Salt Lake. From the view of San Jose, it would be less beneficial than in the other direction, from the Utah view they would receive a lot of benefit.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Dmitry


    It would become rapidly popular in Silicon Valley to go on the Maglev to the Salt Lake.
     
    Homeowners and homebuilders prohibit anything fancy into or out of SV. The extant train is 70 years old. They have been trying to get the BART there for 40 years. The L.A. to S.F. high speed rail project has been in limbo for 25 years.

    Until a bunch of people die or go broke nothing can change. On paper the government has power of eminent domain. The homeowners and homebuilders control the government.

    Of course there is Elon's TED talks tunnel magic.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    You're a convincing salesman. Is this your own private pipe dream, or is anybody else behind this vision?

    I really enjoy train travel and what little of it that I've experienced has been within Ukraine. Before this unfortunate war started, I was planning to take the very picturesque trip from Lviv to Uzhgorod by train ($8 one way), actually several trips within the Carpathians look quite interesting. Unfortunately, some of the railway was one of the first casualties of Putler's re-education efforts. I think that its already been repaired.

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/18c4cf4c6840fdd447f491d92e7d70a84307fa76/0_407_6016_3609/master/6016.jpg?width=1200&height=1200&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&s=0112ae89922cb80a1fb3dbac19060ab2
    Much more than a tourist attraction, Ukraine's railway system has indeed transfomed itself into the lifeline of the country.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  404. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    It was "Franchot" that threw me. None were to be found in my neighborhood while growing up. :-)

    Replies: @songbird

    Seems to have been the maiden name of his mother, which he adopted as a stage name in leiu of his real first name, Stanislaus. Guessing some French-Canadian ancestry. I wonder if he wanted to avoid association with communism, or whether it was about the sound.

    He was apparently distantly related to Wolfe Tone.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchot_Tone

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I never knew much about him, but after reading his impressive resume including his extensive listing of films that he starred in (within the Wikipedia posting) I'll definitely be keeping my eye out for more. Having a place on the Hollywood Walk of Fame is impressive enough, but having been married to Joan Crawford?

    https://i.pinimg.com/474x/a4/b7/29/a4b729e31c4d191689bbe38becc5d2a3--hollywood-walk-of-fame-hollywood-stars.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

  405. @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    And you are totally failing to address the big hole I have exposed in your narrative. If Mormons’ attitudes and business practices with non-Mormons were the ones you describe Utah would be an apartheid state where the federal authorities would constantly have to intervene to protect the victims of such practices.

    No that isn't a big hole.

    They're the majority in Utah and in most cases their image is on the line.

    You can't trust them in cases where cheating is beneficial to them.

    Working with one at the office means nothing. An employee isn't in charge of the business and has to maintain certain expectations to maintain employment.

    Try working with them when they hired cousin Doofus Dingle to help with the contract because they don't want to hire non-Mormons.

    Their reputation proceeds them. The internet is filled with horror stories from doing business with them. Just google "don't do business with mormons" to see the results. They are known to rip people off and do shoddy work for non-Mormons.

    OK. And next time I meet a Christian I will ask him if it’s true that God created women from a man’s rib and people in Israel used to live 500 years. It’s all in their sacred books so they must all necessarily believe it and be thinking about it all the time, must they not?

    Seems reasonable compared to magic stones in a hat that say God is a man on a planet and you can take additional wives.

    The modern LDS does NOT say that people will have 50 wives.

    They don't share the full beliefs with the public.

    Mormons get planets with extra wives. They keep breeding with new wives while Christians and Jews become their slaves. You think they are going to put that on a brochure? A certain celebrity sci-fi cult is the same way. They don't talk about their full beliefs until you are a trusted member. They no longer endorse polygamy on earth but fully believe it will happen on their planets. They only reformed their position on polygamy because of political pressure and it still occurs in Mexico. Up until the 70s they believed that Blacks were the cursed tribe of Ham.

    Mormons are a small group of generally very well behaved people who are not planning to do any harm to you. Relax and don’t be silly.

    I no longer live near them but I simply don't like them. I don't have to embrace religions that are secretive and promote discrimination in employment against non-members. Religious tolerance is a suggestion. It's not some PC code I have to submit my will to for the sake of some ideal that doesn't exist. I don't like religions that divide my countrymen into chosen ones vs future slaves. I can't give them the benefit of the doubt when Joseph Smith was a known con-artist. Endorsing them is endorsing a successful con against the American public.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikel

    They keep breeding with new wives while Christians and Jews become their slaves.

    When you put it that way, it made me think that the Mormon religion became attractive to some people for the same reason that people are now buying Bronze Age Pervert’s book because it uses the words “selective breeding” in its title.

    Did they make any attempts at presenting any kind of a rational explanation as to where all those new, young and beautiful wives would be coming from? Or are they just provided by God? E.g., wishful thinking and fantasies.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    The book is a serious one. If you would ever get around to reading it you will regret your snark.

    BAP is totally wrong but that's OK!

    Replies: @LatW

    , @John Johnson
    @LatW

    When you put it that way, it made me think that the Mormon religion became attractive to some people for the same reason that people are now buying Bronze Age Pervert’s book because it uses the words “selective breeding” in its title.

    Well you can see how it plays to the envy of the average Joe.

    Your non-Mormon betters become your slaves for eternity.

    That asshole with the pretty wife and big house? Yea well YOU GET YOUR OWN PLANET DUDE WITH LIKE A HUNDRED WOMEN. OH AND HE WILL BE A MORMON SLAVE.

    It's just ridiculously comical in its appeal to baser natures of men.

    Did they make any attempts at presenting any kind of a rational explanation as to where all those new, young and beautiful wives would be coming from? Or are they just provided by God?

    Maybe they plan on taking the wives of Christians and Jews? I don't see the math working out any other way unless God just starts creating them as adults.

    We do know that unmarried Mormon women are assigned as a space wife upon death.

    They get hit by a bus and then wake up as wife #38 to some creep. Time to spread for your new husband.

    Single Mormon women are shamed in the Mormon church. They have to sit in the back or in the singles ward.

    Once they are past a certain age they are treated like failures and it is assumed they will have to wait to get preggos in the afterlife. They become rejects and disowned by their former friends that got married.

    Interestingly they have an excess of a single women and it is getting worse. It was once assumed they would be immune but they have the same problem as protestant churches. The men aren't going and the women sit around and pray for a husband.

    Mormon life for the average Joe is pretty awful. They constantly get compared to wealthy Mormon men that can afford 6 kids. It's a keeping up with the Jones mentality. If a Mormon man is born into wealth he is considered blessed by God and not spoiled. It means the family is virtuous and did everything right.

    Now in comes Mr. XYZ to tell us that we should tolerate this space polygamy cult that was transcribed from a magic hat because they smile and mow their lawns.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

  406. @songbird
    @LatW

    Did any other country ever had a head of state that started as an ambassador to the UN, like Israel? In America, it would be totally unthinkable.


    It might be that simply having regional blocs

     

    I wonder if the UN might have weirdly preserved any countries that would have otherwise felt the need to form larger blocks. Like for example in the Arab world (I am not specifically thinking of places like Kuwait, but perhaps more like Syria and Iraq joining.). Or say, Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines.

    I'd hate to think of the EU being a model for any place, as it seems so dysfunctional.

    But even if we end up having a world where we have the global North (the West) and the global South (and China)
     
    I'm not sure to what extent there will be hard divisions in the Third World.

    Right now there is the Artemis accords and its Chinese counterpart. I haven't really looked into the details. I imagine it might be partly related to ground radio dish stations, but it seems like a joke, if that is the new cold war.

    These days everyone seems to be engaging in some kind of military adventurism. But I suspect that the bigger players are generally too dysfunctional for direct wars, to say nothing of nukes.

    Replies: @LatW

    Did any other country ever had a head of state that started as an ambassador to the UN, like Israel? In America, it would be totally unthinkable.

    I don’t have enough knowledge of this but my guess would be that Israel might be an exception here, because of their ongoing difficulties with the UN. Someone who was able to get in the weeds and fight hard for Israel at the UN as an ambassador might actually be revered in Israel, whereas in other countries an ambassador to the UN might be viewed as a boring career functionary (and might in fact typically be someone who goes to the UN when their normal political or bureaucrat career has already ended – it’s a bit of a sinecure whereas Israel doesn’t have such luxuries).

    I wonder if the UN might have weirdly preserved any countries that would have otherwise felt the need to form larger blocks.

    The “rules based system” is very good as long as it works. As long as there is some stability and observance of “rights”. When this doesn’t exist and when the world is more dangerous, the countries will naturally flock together. I would think so at least, even though, obviously, there is a ton of regional bickering and mini-alliances among many countries, of course.

    I’d hate to think of the EU being a model for any place, as it seems so dysfunctional.

    If you take aside multi-culturalism and non-Euro immigrant issues, then the EU actually functions quite well. Remember that this is a very large number of countries, each with rather high standards when it comes to having their needs met (or at least heard). If the EU had some kind of a tangible common defense or military component, it would actually be a very good example of what a solid regional bloc should look like.

    Right now there is the Artemis accords and its Chinese counterpart.

    It isn’t bad, but it is a very narrow sphere, although important.

    These days everyone seems to be engaging in some kind of military adventurism. But I suspect that the bigger players are generally too dysfunctional for direct wars, to say nothing of nukes.

    The problem is that it’s already bad enough even without the big players getting directly involved with each other. And it’s not so much that they are dysfunctional but that thankfully they do not appear to be interested enough in a large war (too much interconnectivity or interdependence).

    But this isn’t good enough, because we need something new and permanent that allows us to return to the “rules based order” where large predator type actors cannot just do what they want randomly. Partitioning a large country such as Ukraine is a huge deal (same as driving millions into exile within weeks) or killing thousands in days such as in Palestine is also unacceptable. If nothing can be done to avoid this, then well armed, protective regional blocs might be the answer. The only issue then would be what to do with the weaker populations who do not fit into such blocs or are left on the margins where they are cruelly exploited.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LatW

    When Bibi was at the UN, he supposedly had a net outside over his window to prevent people from dropping bombs.


    If you take aside multi-culturalism and non-Euro immigrant issues, then the EU actually functions quite well.
     
    I rather like how they made Apple bend the knee and use USB c and seem poised to force replaceable batteries on phones.

    But I am not to sure about much of the rest of it. I feel like the wrong people are in charge, and if you took all the migrants out of the equation somehow, they would still be very antinationalist and antinatalist, and trying to deracinate every country, mix it with internal migration, drive up the rents, expand to Turkey and North Africa and beyond. Of course, much or the damage actually happens on the national level, but somehow it more distressing to see this cooperation on it.

    Replies: @LatW

  407. @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    And you are totally failing to address the big hole I have exposed in your narrative. If Mormons’ attitudes and business practices with non-Mormons were the ones you describe Utah would be an apartheid state where the federal authorities would constantly have to intervene to protect the victims of such practices.

    No that isn't a big hole.

    They're the majority in Utah and in most cases their image is on the line.

    You can't trust them in cases where cheating is beneficial to them.

    Working with one at the office means nothing. An employee isn't in charge of the business and has to maintain certain expectations to maintain employment.

    Try working with them when they hired cousin Doofus Dingle to help with the contract because they don't want to hire non-Mormons.

    Their reputation proceeds them. The internet is filled with horror stories from doing business with them. Just google "don't do business with mormons" to see the results. They are known to rip people off and do shoddy work for non-Mormons.

    OK. And next time I meet a Christian I will ask him if it’s true that God created women from a man’s rib and people in Israel used to live 500 years. It’s all in their sacred books so they must all necessarily believe it and be thinking about it all the time, must they not?

    Seems reasonable compared to magic stones in a hat that say God is a man on a planet and you can take additional wives.

    The modern LDS does NOT say that people will have 50 wives.

    They don't share the full beliefs with the public.

    Mormons get planets with extra wives. They keep breeding with new wives while Christians and Jews become their slaves. You think they are going to put that on a brochure? A certain celebrity sci-fi cult is the same way. They don't talk about their full beliefs until you are a trusted member. They no longer endorse polygamy on earth but fully believe it will happen on their planets. They only reformed their position on polygamy because of political pressure and it still occurs in Mexico. Up until the 70s they believed that Blacks were the cursed tribe of Ham.

    Mormons are a small group of generally very well behaved people who are not planning to do any harm to you. Relax and don’t be silly.

    I no longer live near them but I simply don't like them. I don't have to embrace religions that are secretive and promote discrimination in employment against non-members. Religious tolerance is a suggestion. It's not some PC code I have to submit my will to for the sake of some ideal that doesn't exist. I don't like religions that divide my countrymen into chosen ones vs future slaves. I can't give them the benefit of the doubt when Joseph Smith was a known con-artist. Endorsing them is endorsing a successful con against the American public.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikel

    They’re the majority in Utah and in most cases their image is on the line.

    This is a unique kind of silly.

    So when a group of unscrupulous swindlers are in the majority they need to look after their image and will refrain from acting the way they are inclined to. However, when they are a minority there is no reason to keep the appearances and that’s when they will victimize you.

    Makes perfect sense lol. There’s no denying people like Mr XYZ and you have brought some peculiar entertainment to this blog. Chances of meeting people like you in real life are near zero.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    So when a group of unscrupulous swindlers are in the majority they need to look after their image and will refrain from acting the way they are inclined to. However, when they are a minority there is no reason to keep the appearances and that’s when they will victimize you.

    When Mormons do business with each other they follow their own morals. It's required by their religion.

    When dealing with non-Mormons they feel entitled to do what suits them.

    This was a criticism of the Jews and Roma for hundreds of years. Different rules when dealing outside of the clan.

    But you seem to think such a mentality could not possibly apply to Mormons and the hundreds of threads on the internet about being ripped off by Mormons are just fabricated by mean spirited people. Mormons would never do such a thing to people they view as morally failed future slaves that are destined to toil for eternity.

    Right.

    Replies: @LondonBob

  408. @Dmitry
    @songbird

    If you visit any of the rulers' houses that preserves things authentically from before around the 15th century or in the latest 16th century, it is visiting an old version of a Mexican mafia compound.

    There are weapons on the wall like the golden Kalashnikov of today, large tables for dinners and pictures of how they had killed the rival gangs.

    But there are the origins of the professions which after the Early Modern time transformed slowly to our modern politicians.


    away with the Norman family
     
    Several centuries in the past from then, the younger sons of the ruling Norman families had been some of the most effective and strategical in history, with methodology which is most similar today to the Mexican cartel.

    In the 11th century, Norman mercenaries conquered Southern Italy by a slow, methodical racketeering of the local rulers, extraction of conscripts, kidnapping of the local rulers for receiving ransom money. Then encastellation of the rule, build the powerful military compounds on the high areas above the peasants.

    Their castles following "form follows function" of the military utility, unlike some of the later centuries of romanticization version of the castle.

    https://hiddenarchitecture.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/foto_21_1.jpg

    Replies: @LatW

    I had the same word in my mind, racketeering, when thinking of these old druzhinas, just didn’t want to use it as it’s not very flattering (instead I used the word “enforcer” which is more neutral), even though that’s most likely what they engaged in. Although I’m sure at times it may have been mutually beneficial for all parties involved.

  409. @LatW
    @Greasy William


    Pray for regional war
     
    No, dear, the Jews will just have to suck it up and deal with this and the rest of the world will not be dragged into this. The Messiah will not save you. Not for now, at least. The rest of the world does not want to fight these wars.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    What if CIA Mossad had a war and nobody else showed up?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    What if CIA Mossad had a war and nobody else showed up?
     
    I think we should start by examining very closely how the Hamas attack was planned and, what exactly, to the very last detail, went into carrying it out.
  410. @Dmitry
    @Mr. Hack

    I don't think you can daily commute to work on a plane, unless you mean a private jet where you don't need to sit in the airport.

    But on the train it is far more comfortable and relaxing to commute than driving. After the invention of notebook computers, it can even be almost like office time for the workers.


    I’m not sure that the costs associated with building a Maglev could be substantiated?

     

    In Japan they are investing in the R&D cost, the US could purchase already-finished products from there.

    In terms of the cost-benefit? Silicon Valley is so productive, probably any transport projects connecting to there would be easy to justify.

    It would become rapidly popular in Silicon Valley to go on the Maglev to the Salt Lake. This could contribute to many future investments in Salt Lake. From the view of San Jose, it would be less beneficial than in the other direction, from the Utah view they would receive a lot of benefit.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

    It would become rapidly popular in Silicon Valley to go on the Maglev to the Salt Lake.

    Homeowners and homebuilders prohibit anything fancy into or out of SV. The extant train is 70 years old. They have been trying to get the BART there for 40 years. The L.A. to S.F. high speed rail project has been in limbo for 25 years.

    Until a bunch of people die or go broke nothing can change. On paper the government has power of eminent domain. The homeowners and homebuilders control the government.

    Of course there is Elon’s TED talks tunnel magic.

  411. @LatW
    @John Johnson


    They keep breeding with new wives while Christians and Jews become their slaves.
     
    When you put it that way, it made me think that the Mormon religion became attractive to some people for the same reason that people are now buying Bronze Age Pervert's book because it uses the words "selective breeding" in its title.

    Did they make any attempts at presenting any kind of a rational explanation as to where all those new, young and beautiful wives would be coming from? Or are they just provided by God? E.g., wishful thinking and fantasies.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson

    The book is a serious one. If you would ever get around to reading it you will regret your snark.

    BAP is totally wrong but that’s OK!

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    The book is a serious one. If you would ever get around to reading it you will regret your snark.
     
    Of course, the book is serious. And in fact, I'm quite impressed with this gay Jewish author who posts a ton of food porn on his social media while simultaneously praising the ancient Spartan lifestyle and classical virility (and I like his content not just because of the visuals).

    But don't tell me he didn't put "selective breeding" in the title to not attract attention. Sex sells.

    Btw, I'd love to read the book, but I don't want to order it (because I don't want to contribute to him financially). Sorry, just feeling a bit petty with regards to him for some reason.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  412. @LatW
    @John Johnson


    They keep breeding with new wives while Christians and Jews become their slaves.
     
    When you put it that way, it made me think that the Mormon religion became attractive to some people for the same reason that people are now buying Bronze Age Pervert's book because it uses the words "selective breeding" in its title.

    Did they make any attempts at presenting any kind of a rational explanation as to where all those new, young and beautiful wives would be coming from? Or are they just provided by God? E.g., wishful thinking and fantasies.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson

    When you put it that way, it made me think that the Mormon religion became attractive to some people for the same reason that people are now buying Bronze Age Pervert’s book because it uses the words “selective breeding” in its title.

    Well you can see how it plays to the envy of the average Joe.

    Your non-Mormon betters become your slaves for eternity.

    That asshole with the pretty wife and big house? Yea well YOU GET YOUR OWN PLANET DUDE WITH LIKE A HUNDRED WOMEN. OH AND HE WILL BE A MORMON SLAVE.

    It’s just ridiculously comical in its appeal to baser natures of men.

    Did they make any attempts at presenting any kind of a rational explanation as to where all those new, young and beautiful wives would be coming from? Or are they just provided by God?

    Maybe they plan on taking the wives of Christians and Jews? I don’t see the math working out any other way unless God just starts creating them as adults.

    We do know that unmarried Mormon women are assigned as a space wife upon death.

    They get hit by a bus and then wake up as wife #38 to some creep. Time to spread for your new husband.

    Single Mormon women are shamed in the Mormon church. They have to sit in the back or in the singles ward.

    Once they are past a certain age they are treated like failures and it is assumed they will have to wait to get preggos in the afterlife. They become rejects and disowned by their former friends that got married.

    Interestingly they have an excess of a single women and it is getting worse. It was once assumed they would be immune but they have the same problem as protestant churches. The men aren’t going and the women sit around and pray for a husband.

    Mormon life for the average Joe is pretty awful. They constantly get compared to wealthy Mormon men that can afford 6 kids. It’s a keeping up with the Jones mentality. If a Mormon man is born into wealth he is considered blessed by God and not spoiled. It means the family is virtuous and did everything right.

    Now in comes Mr. XYZ to tell us that we should tolerate this space polygamy cult that was transcribed from a magic hat because they smile and mow their lawns.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    Now in comes Mr. XYZ to tell us that we should tolerate this space polygamy cult that was transcribed from a magic hat because they smile and mow their lawns.

     

    That's not why. Rather, it's because they have eugenic fertility patterns.
    , @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    Single Mormon women are shamed in the Mormon church .../... They become rejects and disowned by their former friends that got married.
     
    In real life, however, while most other religions let people deal with their loneliness issues on their own, Mormons organize singles wards with activities around the week for singles to meet each other and hopefully marry. These days they're actually open to non-Mormons, so much they despise us lol. My wife was telling me the other day that some older Venezuelan "refugee" single women were attending a nearby singles ward in the hopes of fishing a Mormon husband.

    I don't get the point of making stuff up. If people just said 'I hate Mormons, they have weird beliefs and some of them once tried to swindle me', I'd be fine with that. I haven't had any experience of fraud in a decade living among them, right the opposite, but I also find their beliefs quite nutty for the 21st century and I can understand people rejecting them. I give them the boot myself when they send me missionaries knocking on my door. However, the problem here is twofold: making stuff up and pretending to know about a group of people more than someone who actually lives surrounded by them.

    It's as silly as my trying to lecture Barbarossa on the Amish. He lives close to them and I believe that he has frequent interactions with them. No matter how much I may have read about them on the internet and what my personal experience once was with with a small sample, Barbarossa obviously knows much better than me what the actual community is like in real life.

    Does this even need to be explained? What's actually wrong with you? Did you join the marines or something and they made you lose your ability to see nuance and use your brain to process non black-and-white information?
  413. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    They’re the majority in Utah and in most cases their image is on the line.
     
    This is a unique kind of silly.

    So when a group of unscrupulous swindlers are in the majority they need to look after their image and will refrain from acting the way they are inclined to. However, when they are a minority there is no reason to keep the appearances and that's when they will victimize you.

    Makes perfect sense lol. There's no denying people like Mr XYZ and you have brought some peculiar entertainment to this blog. Chances of meeting people like you in real life are near zero.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    So when a group of unscrupulous swindlers are in the majority they need to look after their image and will refrain from acting the way they are inclined to. However, when they are a minority there is no reason to keep the appearances and that’s when they will victimize you.

    When Mormons do business with each other they follow their own morals. It’s required by their religion.

    When dealing with non-Mormons they feel entitled to do what suits them.

    This was a criticism of the Jews and Roma for hundreds of years. Different rules when dealing outside of the clan.

    But you seem to think such a mentality could not possibly apply to Mormons and the hundreds of threads on the internet about being ripped off by Mormons are just fabricated by mean spirited people. Mormons would never do such a thing to people they view as morally failed future slaves that are destined to toil for eternity.

    Right.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @John Johnson

    Mormons are heavily involved with the casinos in Nevada despite their so called religious values, I have no time for them, bullshit religion invented by their founder who wanted access to women, of all ages.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  414. • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    She's cute, what would you rate her?

    Also I don't get what the poster is trying to say

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

  415. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    The book is a serious one. If you would ever get around to reading it you will regret your snark.

    BAP is totally wrong but that's OK!

    Replies: @LatW

    The book is a serious one. If you would ever get around to reading it you will regret your snark.

    Of course, the book is serious. And in fact, I’m quite impressed with this gay Jewish author who posts a ton of food porn on his social media while simultaneously praising the ancient Spartan lifestyle and classical virility (and I like his content not just because of the visuals).

    But don’t tell me he didn’t put “selective breeding” in the title to not attract attention. Sex sells.

    Btw, I’d love to read the book, but I don’t want to order it (because I don’t want to contribute to him financially). Sorry, just feeling a bit petty with regards to him for some reason.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    Do you have a library card?

    I found a pdf in six clicks on libgen. I would offer to e-mail you the pdf but I am suspicious you work for the CIA. : )

    Replies: @LatW

  416. @A123
    @Dmitry


    In the Arab world they say “Israel is weaker than a spider web”, which the leader of Hezbollah said last week also.
     
    Sometimes simple expressions work -- That was Then. This is Now. -- October 7 fundamentally changed the situation.

    Israel’s policy, although not the preferences of the population, is one of the world’s most liberal countries, with a lot of the function of government controlled by the high court judges.
     
    Netanyahu had been creeping up on this slowly to placate international constituencies. After the fighting stops, it will return as a priority. The pathetic Leftoid courts will be reformed to align with the current beliefs of Palestinian Jews.

    after Biden would be president. So, 2024 he could try to delay the postwar planning to be permanent, or avoid signing something permanent, with a dream of Trump winning in November 2024.
     
    Ignoring Not-The-President Biden is what every serious national leader does, friends and foes alike. The trail of bribery and corruption makes his entire administration devoid of influence. It is a pest to be sprayed & managed.

    Trump faces a similar failing judiciary here at home. There is every reason to expect his 2nd term will support necessary Israeli court reforms and actions to contain the Iranian threat.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Dmitry

    From the view of the Republican Party, Trump is possibly the heel of Achilles for their guarantee to win the presidential election 2024.

    Although Trump is currently more popular than Biden, he still has a significant chance to lose the election, which he already lost against Biden in 2020.

    For comparison, if the Republican Party could nominate a new candidate like Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, they would probably easily defeat Biden.

    Between Trump vs Biden, it’s still not so sure who will win in 2024.

    • LOL: silviosilver
    • Replies: @A123
    @Dmitry


    From the view of the Republican Party, Trump is possibly the heel of Achilles for their guarantee to win the presidential election 2024.
     
    Hmmm.... Your mythology needs help.

    Trump is akin to the Shield of Perseus when he faced the Medusa. A guarantee that MAGA Republicans will win in 2024.

    he still has a significant chance to lose the election, which he already lost against Biden in 2020.
     
    Trump won the election in 2020 versus Not-The-President Biden. It was stolen by chicanery. Thus, he has a near certain chance to win again in 2024.

    Trump is currently more popular than Biden
     
    And becoming more so. It is objectively clear that trump has massive strength with independents, moderates, and other swing voters (1).

    if the Republican Party could nominate a new candidate like Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, they would probably easily defeat Biden.
     
    DeSantis and Haley are so weak they were blown out of the water by Vivek (2). DeSantis is little more than comic relief at this point.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe1wNeGPOds

    The anti-MAGA establishment shills cannot obtain the nomination. If the primary was somehow rigged, the traitor would be cursed with an insurmountable Achilles Heel. Millions of MAGA supporters would write in Trump rather than abandon MAGA.

    It is 100% certain that DeSantis, Haley, or Scott would lose to the Veggie-in-Chief. And, it would lock in TRUMP 2028 run.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/11/11/donald-trump-leads-joe-biden-independents/

    (2) https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/vivek-ramaswamy-was-the-winner-of-the-third-republican-debate

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry

  417. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    Hate Crime.


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-r2tVLWAAAMEUP.jpg


    https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1723462654759485655

    Replies: @Greasy William

    She’s cute, what would you rate her?

    Also I don’t get what the poster is trying to say

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Greasy William

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQw5m7JjkkAGtYehISK2dapF21uS7NClAc6oA&usqp.jpg



    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTtRDEB8LoJiBLnDAN8FMSEfsWIDfGTRnDXDQ&usqp.jpg

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTwyURwH_7hluncbvzTZ8XIaYtuVBfju8hrHw&usqp.jpg

    Replies: @Greasy William

  418. @LatW
    @AP


    One of my lines, Vankovich, descend from a Rus soldier (in what is now Belarus) called Vanko who was ennobled by Kęstutis of Lithuania in the 14th century as a reward for doing well in some battle (perhaps, against the Muscovites).
     
    That is quite remarkable, since Kestutis (or Keistut, as the E.Slavs call him) was the son of Gediminas and the father of Vytautas (who led the Lithuanians to victory in the Battle of Grunwald and who controlled much of Ruthenia and apparently even had a castle or a fort in Crimea).

    Kestutis was extremely important in holding back the Knights from the Rus' and Lithuanian lands (he was a good diplomat, apparently a smooth talker who could also show some sudden ruthlessness, if needed, btw, his name could mean "the one who can bear a lot"). At the time the Lithuanians had to fight on both sides, and the Lithuanian dukes were the gatherers of the Rus' lands in the true sense of this term.

    I have visited the wonderful and romantic castle of Trakai (the home of the Lithuanian dukes) but have not had a chance to visit the Kreva castle (where Kestutis and Vytautas were held during the feuds and where the prenuptial was signed for Jogaila and Jadwiga). There is also the Dubno castle in Ukraine where Prince Ostrogski lived.

    The famous painting of the Battle of Grunwald by Polish painter Jan Matejko (with Vytautas in the middle):

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Jan_Matejko%2C_Bitwa_pod_Grunwaldem.jpg

    Replies: @sudden death

    btw, the only surviving medieval contemporary image of Vytautas from his seal imho has some slight facial resemblances to the modern typical caricatural depictions of our beloved neighbouring guy Putin;)

    • Replies: @LatW
    @sudden death


    btw, the only surviving medieval contemporary image of Vytautas from his seal imho has some slight facial resemblances to the modern typical caricatural depictions of our beloved neighbouring guy Putin;)
     
    My gosh, that's an amazing stamp (at the top). He has slightly longish hair (as they probably used to back then).

    I think I recognize those features. And, yes, you're right, there is a bit of a resemblance there, but Vytautas' face is more elongated.

    Come on, don't make such silly comparisons! :) It's totally inappropriate! :) lol

    In Belarus, there are some nice statues of him...

  419. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    What if CIA Mossad had a war and nobody else showed up?

    Replies: @LatW

    What if CIA Mossad had a war and nobody else showed up?

    I think we should start by examining very closely how the Hamas attack was planned and, what exactly, to the very last detail, went into carrying it out.

  420. @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    The book is a serious one. If you would ever get around to reading it you will regret your snark.
     
    Of course, the book is serious. And in fact, I'm quite impressed with this gay Jewish author who posts a ton of food porn on his social media while simultaneously praising the ancient Spartan lifestyle and classical virility (and I like his content not just because of the visuals).

    But don't tell me he didn't put "selective breeding" in the title to not attract attention. Sex sells.

    Btw, I'd love to read the book, but I don't want to order it (because I don't want to contribute to him financially). Sorry, just feeling a bit petty with regards to him for some reason.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Do you have a library card?

    I found a pdf in six clicks on libgen. I would offer to e-mail you the pdf but I am suspicious you work for the CIA. : )

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Do you have a library card?
     
    There are manosphere books in public libraries? lol

    It's ok, I'll try to find it myself. I can also reread Nietzsche and Evola (unless there is something new in BAP's book).

    Replies: @Coconuts

  421. @Dmitry
    @A123

    From the view of the Republican Party, Trump is possibly the heel of Achilles for their guarantee to win the presidential election 2024.

    Although Trump is currently more popular than Biden, he still has a significant chance to lose the election, which he already lost against Biden in 2020.

    For comparison, if the Republican Party could nominate a new candidate like Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, they would probably easily defeat Biden.

    Between Trump vs Biden, it's still not so sure who will win in 2024.

    Replies: @A123

    From the view of the Republican Party, Trump is possibly the heel of Achilles for their guarantee to win the presidential election 2024.

    Hmmm…. Your mythology needs help.

    Trump is akin to the Shield of Perseus when he faced the Medusa. A guarantee that MAGA Republicans will win in 2024.

    he still has a significant chance to lose the election, which he already lost against Biden in 2020.

    Trump won the election in 2020 versus Not-The-President Biden. It was stolen by chicanery. Thus, he has a near certain chance to win again in 2024.

    Trump is currently more popular than Biden

    And becoming more so. It is objectively clear that trump has massive strength with independents, moderates, and other swing voters (1).

    if the Republican Party could nominate a new candidate like Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, they would probably easily defeat Biden.

    DeSantis and Haley are so weak they were blown out of the water by Vivek (2). DeSantis is little more than comic relief at this point.

    The anti-MAGA establishment shills cannot obtain the nomination. If the primary was somehow rigged, the traitor would be cursed with an insurmountable Achilles Heel. Millions of MAGA supporters would write in Trump rather than abandon MAGA.

    It is 100% certain that DeSantis, Haley, or Scott would lose to the Veggie-in-Chief. And, it would lock in TRUMP 2028 run.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/11/11/donald-trump-leads-joe-biden-independents/

    (2) https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/vivek-ramaswamy-was-the-winner-of-the-third-republican-debate

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @A123

    The idea that Biden has any chance against Trump is total fantasyland stuff from the resident neocons. It's fine to hate Trump (no it isn't), but as of now he's set to win the 2024 election and win it big.

    If the election were held today, Trump wins by 4 points at least. After the economy melts down, look for that margin to grow to 7 points minimum

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    , @Dmitry
    @A123


    guarantee that MAGA Republicans will win in 2024.
     
    Other Republican candidates are more popular against Biden in the same polls, so Trump is the current heel of Achilles in relation to the guarantee for the Republicans to win in 2024.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/

    Just two weeks ago, Biden was more popular than Trump in some of the same polls. Biden has a bad week in the polls this week, but we can't predict if this will continue. For example, if the economy improves next year.

    On the other hand, if the Republicans had a more general popular candidate it should have been a guarantee to win as Biden is an unusually unpopular president.


    won the election in 2020 versus Not-The-President Biden. It was stolen by chicanery. Thus, he has a near certain chance to win again in 2024.

     

    If it was "stolen" in 2020, it could be "stolen" in 2024.

    massive strength with independents, moderates, and other swing voters (1).
     
    Trump is popular with the Republican nomination voters. But he is less popular with the general voters. So, he is usually less successful in polls against Biden in comparison to the other Republicans. This is why he is their heel of Achilles, as the Republicans will use a candidate who is not the most popular with the general voters.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4295627-trump-biden-haley-2024-swing-state-poll/

    https://law.marquette.edu/poll/2023/11/08/marquette-law-school-poll-survey-of-wisconsin-finds-biden-leads-trump-by-2-points-trails-desantis-and-haley/

    https://highlandcountypress.com/opinions/poll-faceoff-biden-haley-desantis-outperform-trump

    Replies: @A123

  422. @sudden death
    @LatW

    btw, the only surviving medieval contemporary image of Vytautas from his seal imho has some slight facial resemblances to the modern typical caricatural depictions of our beloved neighbouring guy Putin;)

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Seal_of_Vytautas_the_Great.jpg

    https://i.postimg.cc/C1LrcCjc/kitchen.jpg

    Replies: @LatW

    btw, the only surviving medieval contemporary image of Vytautas from his seal imho has some slight facial resemblances to the modern typical caricatural depictions of our beloved neighbouring guy Putin;)

    My gosh, that’s an amazing stamp (at the top). He has slightly longish hair (as they probably used to back then).

    I think I recognize those features. And, yes, you’re right, there is a bit of a resemblance there, but Vytautas’ face is more elongated.

    Come on, don’t make such silly comparisons! 🙂 It’s totally inappropriate! 🙂 lol

    In Belarus, there are some nice statues of him…

  423. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    Do you have a library card?

    I found a pdf in six clicks on libgen. I would offer to e-mail you the pdf but I am suspicious you work for the CIA. : )

    Replies: @LatW

    Do you have a library card?

    There are manosphere books in public libraries? lol

    It’s ok, I’ll try to find it myself. I can also reread Nietzsche and Evola (unless there is something new in BAP’s book).

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @LatW

    BAP was a Straussian when he was a student, it seems some of the other Straussian academics knew him under his real name. I guess there are some Strauss themes in the book, maybe the thing about the relationship between law and the origins of philosophy, reading texts in an esoteric way etc.

    Emil might be able to say something about it, I am planning to read it at Christmas.

  424. @AP
    @Mikhail


    Keep denying the actual casualty exchange rate
     
    How many Russians do you think have died, in your fantasies? 50,000?

    And how many Ukrainians? 300,000? 3 million?

    Congratulations on figuring out google translate.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow, @Mr. Hack

    How many Russians do you think have died, in your fantasies? 50,000?

    And how many Ukrainians? 300,000? 3 million?

    Congratulations on figuring out google translate.

    Congrats on being an imbecile. Whatever the actual casualty figures, it’s quite clear the Kiev regime has incurred far more than Russia.

    Offhand, the 50K Russian casualty figure seems to be within a reasonable figure (could be less). Most surely under 75K to date. The Kiev regime’s is anywhere between 300K on up.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail

    Your post demonstrates the effectiveness of the Scott Ritter moron-detector.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  425. @A123
    @Dmitry


    From the view of the Republican Party, Trump is possibly the heel of Achilles for their guarantee to win the presidential election 2024.
     
    Hmmm.... Your mythology needs help.

    Trump is akin to the Shield of Perseus when he faced the Medusa. A guarantee that MAGA Republicans will win in 2024.

    he still has a significant chance to lose the election, which he already lost against Biden in 2020.
     
    Trump won the election in 2020 versus Not-The-President Biden. It was stolen by chicanery. Thus, he has a near certain chance to win again in 2024.

    Trump is currently more popular than Biden
     
    And becoming more so. It is objectively clear that trump has massive strength with independents, moderates, and other swing voters (1).

    if the Republican Party could nominate a new candidate like Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, they would probably easily defeat Biden.
     
    DeSantis and Haley are so weak they were blown out of the water by Vivek (2). DeSantis is little more than comic relief at this point.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe1wNeGPOds

    The anti-MAGA establishment shills cannot obtain the nomination. If the primary was somehow rigged, the traitor would be cursed with an insurmountable Achilles Heel. Millions of MAGA supporters would write in Trump rather than abandon MAGA.

    It is 100% certain that DeSantis, Haley, or Scott would lose to the Veggie-in-Chief. And, it would lock in TRUMP 2028 run.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/11/11/donald-trump-leads-joe-biden-independents/

    (2) https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/vivek-ramaswamy-was-the-winner-of-the-third-republican-debate

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry

    The idea that Biden has any chance against Trump is total fantasyland stuff from the resident neocons. It’s fine to hate Trump (no it isn’t), but as of now he’s set to win the 2024 election and win it big.

    If the election were held today, Trump wins by 4 points at least. After the economy melts down, look for that margin to grow to 7 points minimum

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Greasy William


    ...If the election were held today, Trump wins by 4 points at least
     
    Probably not enough, Trump needs 5+ points to win. Neo-con comrades have people for that work: courts, media, local governments... If it looks hopeless they will use them.

    The beautiful thing about democracy is that they prefer not to. And I mean that...

    , @A123
    @Greasy William


    The idea that Biden has any chance against Trump is total fantasyland stuff from the resident neocons.
     
    Seeing the NeoConDemocrat sheeple in full on bleating #Bidenista mode is highly entertaining. They know that Trump's 2nd term will:

    • End U.S. funding for Kiev aggression
    • Not be baited into putting boots on the ground in Iran

    That Haley is being espoused as a serious contender to MAGA/Trump is amusing.

    The DNC needs a PoC female to replace the Veggie-in-Chief on their ticket. Haley's lust for multiple Forever Wars is a perfect match to war party Democrats. Why not pick establishment shill Haley? It would be interesting to see a Trump versus Haley as a general election matchup.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

  426. @Mikhail
    @AP


    How many Russians do you think have died, in your fantasies? 50,000?

    And how many Ukrainians? 300,000? 3 million?

    Congratulations on figuring out google translate.
     

    Congrats on being an imbecile. Whatever the actual casualty figures, it's quite clear the Kiev regime has incurred far more than Russia.

    Offhand, the 50K Russian casualty figure seems to be within a reasonable figure (could be less). Most surely under 75K to date. The Kiev regime's is anywhere between 300K on up.

    Replies: @AP

    Your post demonstrates the effectiveness of the Scott Ritter moron-detector.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP

    To you being the svido factor.

  427. @AP
    @Mikhail

    Your post demonstrates the effectiveness of the Scott Ritter moron-detector.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    To you being the svido factor.

  428. @Greasy William
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    She's cute, what would you rate her?

    Also I don't get what the poster is trying to say

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

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    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    I'd say a 7 (controlling for age). I like Indian girls

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

  429. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Greasy William

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQw5m7JjkkAGtYehISK2dapF21uS7NClAc6oA&usqp.jpg



    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTtRDEB8LoJiBLnDAN8FMSEfsWIDfGTRnDXDQ&usqp.jpg

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTwyURwH_7hluncbvzTZ8XIaYtuVBfju8hrHw&usqp.jpg

    Replies: @Greasy William

    I’d say a 7 (controlling for age). I like Indian girls

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Greasy William

    Esther Victoria Abraham better known by her stage name Pramila, was an Jewish Indian model, actress and first woman film producer in the Hindi film industry.


    She won the first Miss India pageant in 1947.


    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQvMr8mh0vZYlP0fzjjETSY4SvEo7PYdfXoPA&usqp.jpg

    Replies: @Greasy William

  430. @Mikel
    @German_reader


    The stated reasons for those policies don’t make any sense either.
     
    None whatsoever. As far as I know, nobody in Europe pretends that the people crossing the Mediterranean are not primarily economic migrants but the millions that the US is letting in from Latin America and other places are admitted as "asylum seekers". The idea that all of a sudden so many millions need to flee their countries for political reasons and the only solution for the US is to let them in and supposedly spend tens of millions of man-hours at some point in the future examining the merits of each of their applications is so ridiculous that it's hard to understand how people are accepting it so meekly. It's just obvious that someone wants to radically change the demographics of the US.

    As I've mentioned in the past, I happen to know some of these asylum seekers. I hire them sometimes. I won't deny that they're cheaper so that's probably one of the reasons for the invasion. Some people clearly benefit from their presence, including myself at times. But the long term effects are not difficult to imagine. The other day I had a run-in with a Venezuelan truck driver that Home Depot sent me. A very unpleasant guy with a tremendous attitude. We ended up cursing at each other in Spanish (the only language he spoke). I know a family of asylum seekers who have been here for some 8 years but haven't bothered learning English. What for? Everything can be done in Spanish in Utah these days, including getting the husband's professional license. I have no idea if anyone has ever examined their asylum claim but it doesn't matter, they're not going anywhere. They've already had two children that were born in the US and are thus American citizens. It's interesting how nobody mentions deportations of the illegal population anymore. In 2016 it was at least conceivable in theory though obviously nobody was going to expel 11-30 million people anywhere. Now it's a pipe dream.

    Replies: @German_reader, @QCIC, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Now it’s a pipe dream.

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  431. @Greasy William
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    I'd say a 7 (controlling for age). I like Indian girls

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Esther Victoria Abraham better known by her stage name Pramila, was an Jewish Indian model, actress and first woman film producer in the Hindi film industry.

    She won the first Miss India pageant in 1947.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    7.5

  432. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Greasy William

    Esther Victoria Abraham better known by her stage name Pramila, was an Jewish Indian model, actress and first woman film producer in the Hindi film industry.


    She won the first Miss India pageant in 1947.


    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQvMr8mh0vZYlP0fzjjETSY4SvEo7PYdfXoPA&usqp.jpg

    Replies: @Greasy William

    7.5

    • Disagree: silviosilver
  433. @Greasy William
    @A123

    The idea that Biden has any chance against Trump is total fantasyland stuff from the resident neocons. It's fine to hate Trump (no it isn't), but as of now he's set to win the 2024 election and win it big.

    If the election were held today, Trump wins by 4 points at least. After the economy melts down, look for that margin to grow to 7 points minimum

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    …If the election were held today, Trump wins by 4 points at least

    Probably not enough, Trump needs 5+ points to win. Neo-con comrades have people for that work: courts, media, local governments… If it looks hopeless they will use them.

    The beautiful thing about democracy is that they prefer not to. And I mean that…

    • Agree: LondonBob
  434. @A123
    @Dmitry


    From the view of the Republican Party, Trump is possibly the heel of Achilles for their guarantee to win the presidential election 2024.
     
    Hmmm.... Your mythology needs help.

    Trump is akin to the Shield of Perseus when he faced the Medusa. A guarantee that MAGA Republicans will win in 2024.

    he still has a significant chance to lose the election, which he already lost against Biden in 2020.
     
    Trump won the election in 2020 versus Not-The-President Biden. It was stolen by chicanery. Thus, he has a near certain chance to win again in 2024.

    Trump is currently more popular than Biden
     
    And becoming more so. It is objectively clear that trump has massive strength with independents, moderates, and other swing voters (1).

    if the Republican Party could nominate a new candidate like Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, they would probably easily defeat Biden.
     
    DeSantis and Haley are so weak they were blown out of the water by Vivek (2). DeSantis is little more than comic relief at this point.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe1wNeGPOds

    The anti-MAGA establishment shills cannot obtain the nomination. If the primary was somehow rigged, the traitor would be cursed with an insurmountable Achilles Heel. Millions of MAGA supporters would write in Trump rather than abandon MAGA.

    It is 100% certain that DeSantis, Haley, or Scott would lose to the Veggie-in-Chief. And, it would lock in TRUMP 2028 run.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/11/11/donald-trump-leads-joe-biden-independents/

    (2) https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/vivek-ramaswamy-was-the-winner-of-the-third-republican-debate

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry

    guarantee that MAGA Republicans will win in 2024.

    Other Republican candidates are more popular against Biden in the same polls, so Trump is the current heel of Achilles in relation to the guarantee for the Republicans to win in 2024.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/

    Just two weeks ago, Biden was more popular than Trump in some of the same polls. Biden has a bad week in the polls this week, but we can’t predict if this will continue. For example, if the economy improves next year.

    On the other hand, if the Republicans had a more general popular candidate it should have been a guarantee to win as Biden is an unusually unpopular president.

    won the election in 2020 versus Not-The-President Biden. It was stolen by chicanery. Thus, he has a near certain chance to win again in 2024.

    If it was “stolen” in 2020, it could be “stolen” in 2024.

    massive strength with independents, moderates, and other swing voters (1).

    Trump is popular with the Republican nomination voters. But he is less popular with the general voters. So, he is usually less successful in polls against Biden in comparison to the other Republicans. This is why he is their heel of Achilles, as the Republicans will use a candidate who is not the most popular with the general voters.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4295627-trump-biden-haley-2024-swing-state-poll/

    https://law.marquette.edu/poll/2023/11/08/marquette-law-school-poll-survey-of-wisconsin-finds-biden-leads-trump-by-2-points-trails-desantis-and-haley/

    https://highlandcountypress.com/opinions/poll-faceoff-biden-haley-desantis-outperform-trump

    • Replies: @A123
    @Dmitry


    Trump is popular with the Republican nomination voters. But he is less popular with the general voters. So, he is usually less successful in polls against Biden in comparison to the other Republicans.
     
    Try here instead (it is in the screen upper right)

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/

    • Trump is +1.1% over Not-The-President Biden
    • DeSantis is a loser -0.4%
    • Haley is ahead +2.4%

    Polling Margin of Error is generally +/-3%. So if you believe in MoE your argument is shot as there is "no statistical difference". If you ignore MoE you have admit that DeSantis is worse than Trump. Your choice.
    ___

    There is an obvious timing problem with Haley's numbers . Her warmonger performance at the 3rd GOP debate was the November 8th. The most recent poll closed November 2nd (1).

    Losing debates and espousing unpopular positions drives down results. This should show up in the next month as the collection of polls change.

    If it was “stolen” in 2020, it could be “stolen” in 2024.
     
    The level of theft in 2020 was unprecedented, appeared by surprise, and the GOP was unprepared.

    In 2024, The DNC will have much less chance to steal due to MAGA's ground game that has been building up at the local level. Both sides will be Harvesting and Fultoning. Voting is still important as huge margin will defang DNC efforts to steal the election.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general_election_haley_vs_biden-8127.html#polls

    Replies: @Dmitry

  435. @AP
    @Mikhail


    Keep denying the actual casualty exchange rate
     
    How many Russians do you think have died, in your fantasies? 50,000?

    And how many Ukrainians? 300,000? 3 million?

    Congratulations on figuring out google translate.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow, @Mr. Hack

    …How many Russians do you think have died…And how many Ukrainians?

    Wouldn’t you agree that too many? They died for the insane dream of placing Nato in Ukraine so they can better intimidate Russia. Too many Ukies were taken by the usual promises made by the West. That’s how they operate – they paint a great future and make vague promises. Somehow that future”always stays in the “future”. Except for a few lucky ones who get rewarded as soon as they deliver. (But I guess it beats the alternative – Ukieland is a dreary land.)

    Ukraine is slowly collapsing, they have started the usual internal fights that always precede the end. A year ago a neutral Ukraine 80% of its territory could have been negotiated. I doubt that deal is still available. It could end with a 20 million defanged central-west refuge with some trade deal with EU, no official Nato but lots of excited secret plotting, angry and disappointed people. Kind of like an EU appendage for cheap labor – Guatemala of eastern Europe. Like we really needed another Moldova.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    Wouldn’t you agree that too many? They died for the insane dream of placing Nato in Ukraine so they can better intimidate Russia.
     
    They died because Putin wanted Ukraine to be united with Russia, to undo the fall of the USSR and the Rusiasn Empire. And Ukrainians did not want that. They preferred to fight in order to prevent that. It's an old struggle, much older than NATO. You obviously don't understand.

    Everything is secondary to that.

    Ukraine is slowly collapsing, they have started the usual internal fights that always precede the end.
     
    Like Prigozhin?

    Replies: @Beckow

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  437. @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    So when a group of unscrupulous swindlers are in the majority they need to look after their image and will refrain from acting the way they are inclined to. However, when they are a minority there is no reason to keep the appearances and that’s when they will victimize you.

    When Mormons do business with each other they follow their own morals. It's required by their religion.

    When dealing with non-Mormons they feel entitled to do what suits them.

    This was a criticism of the Jews and Roma for hundreds of years. Different rules when dealing outside of the clan.

    But you seem to think such a mentality could not possibly apply to Mormons and the hundreds of threads on the internet about being ripped off by Mormons are just fabricated by mean spirited people. Mormons would never do such a thing to people they view as morally failed future slaves that are destined to toil for eternity.

    Right.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Mormons are heavily involved with the casinos in Nevada despite their so called religious values, I have no time for them, bullshit religion invented by their founder who wanted access to women, of all ages.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LondonBob

    Mormons are like Jews in the feature that some industries are so populated that if you work in that industry you have to make time for them, and also that in some regions such industries are in top tier employers of choice.

    Unless you are so independently resourceful you may do whatever you please.

    Michael Hoffman wrote an article that was on the front page the other day condemning one and all for our compromises with Jews. He lives around Mormons and so has more than a mote there in his own eye.

    They have really good doomsday preparation HOWTOs. Who knows? A one-year store of food might maybe just come in handy.

  438. The Israeli economy cannot sustain a lengthy conflict. Israeli economy buckles.

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-111023-israeli-economy-buckles

    More Russian advances around Avdeevka, read all about it!

    • Replies: @JL
    @LondonBob

    If Israel's economy is buckling, why is the currency so strong? It went through a bout of volatility, but is now back to almost where it was when the conflict broke out.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @A123, @Dmitry

  439. @LondonBob
    The Israeli economy cannot sustain a lengthy conflict. Israeli economy buckles.

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-111023-israeli-economy-buckles

    More Russian advances around Avdeevka, read all about it!

    Replies: @JL

    If Israel’s economy is buckling, why is the currency so strong? It went through a bout of volatility, but is now back to almost where it was when the conflict broke out.

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @JL


    I would never consider defending Argentina’s economic performance, but it’s also not really fair to take the beginning of the 20th century as a starting point. This was the country’s heyday, BA was one of the richest cities in the world at the time. Argie took a huge hit from the construction of the Panama Canal.
     
    More of the Old Timers should comment!

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @A123
    @JL

    The crazies stating that eternal economic collapse will consume Israel are simply desperate. Breaking Hamas will take months, not years. The fight is expensive, but not unaffordable.

    Maintaining security in Gaza has a cost similar to the security perimeter around Gaza, so that is not a major change economic burden. There will be some change over costs for the new system, but again those are affordable expenditures.
    ___

    There is a potential economic trap -- Civil Administration of Gaza.

    Rebuilding civilian infrastructure is expensive. And, the fresh water problem is unsolvable. These issues must be left in Muslim hands, so Islam remains responsible for the folly of Iranian Hamas.

    Fortunately, the international community is (accidentally) pushing in a useful direction. Their enthusiasm for elections to replace Hamas with new locals is exactly what will be needed.

    PEACE 😇

    , @Dmitry
    @JL

    Israel's GDP usually recover soon after the war ends. Probably Israel's GDP will go to the short-term recession, recover after the war ends.

    If the war continues for a year, it would be like coronavirus lockdowns there in 2020. GDP falls 2% in 2020, increase 8,6% in 2021, 6,5% in 2022. Coronavirus lockdowns are similar to the removal of the reservists from the labor market, coronavirus also reduced the global demand for exports which war doesn't.

    But perhaps long-term result of October 7th could be a lot more serious and negative for Israel, including in terms of the economic future and the human resources.

    Citizens were not protected by the government rapidly on October 7th, but also Israel's response in the last month seems weaker than expected. Israel perhaps has lost most of its deterrence in relation to the Arab world. So, Israel's limited ability to respond to attacks, would lose military deterrence and also lose the trust of normal citizens to build life there.

    This is less problem for the religious cults, but normal people who are necessary for building future industries, the long-term economic growth, expect a developed country lifestyle, not to have to Jihadists invited to the psytrance rave. People want to live in Europe, not living with an ISIS camp.

    19th century Utah with the Blackhawk wars, can be attractive for the Mormon sex cult trying to escape the authorities, but normal people don't usually want to be victim of frontier attack and kidnap, frontier Utah would not be a place for Nvidia or Intel.

    So, now Israel's situation with loss of trust and loss of deterrence, can be less attractive for normal people, likely acceleration of brain-drain, in the same time the competitiveness of its most successful industries depend on that preserving kind of workers.

  440. @JL
    @LondonBob

    If Israel's economy is buckling, why is the currency so strong? It went through a bout of volatility, but is now back to almost where it was when the conflict broke out.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @A123, @Dmitry

    I would never consider defending Argentina’s economic performance, but it’s also not really fair to take the beginning of the 20th century as a starting point. This was the country’s heyday, BA was one of the richest cities in the world at the time. Argie took a huge hit from the construction of the Panama Canal.

    More of the Old Timers should comment!

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    give a rating to the girl holding the sign and to the Jewish Indian girl

  441. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @JL


    I would never consider defending Argentina’s economic performance, but it’s also not really fair to take the beginning of the 20th century as a starting point. This was the country’s heyday, BA was one of the richest cities in the world at the time. Argie took a huge hit from the construction of the Panama Canal.
     
    More of the Old Timers should comment!

    Replies: @Greasy William

    give a rating to the girl holding the sign and to the Jewish Indian girl

  442. @AP
    @Mikhail


    Keep denying the actual casualty exchange rate
     
    How many Russians do you think have died, in your fantasies? 50,000?

    And how many Ukrainians? 300,000? 3 million?

    Congratulations on figuring out google translate.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow, @Mr. Hack

    Your fondness for numbers and accuracy are a hallmark of your writing style. Undoubtedly you’ve assembled your own estimates of these casualties. I, for one, would be curious to hear what you’ve come up with?

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    I have no idea and neither side is interested in providing correct numbers, for obvious reasons. But only a moron would believe that Ukraine has lost 200,000 or more dead or that Russia has only lost 50,000 dead.

    Verifiable facts that serve as clues (such as numbers of people buried in cemeteries in certain cities) suggest anywhere from 80,000 to 120,000 killed on the Ukrainian side. The Russian side might have the same or up to 50% higher. Though the Russians are getting killed at a much higher rate currently, so they have probably surpassed he Ukrainians. But we have no way of knowing accurately.

    Replies: @QCIC

  443. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Seems to have been the maiden name of his mother, which he adopted as a stage name in leiu of his real first name, Stanislaus. Guessing some French-Canadian ancestry. I wonder if he wanted to avoid association with communism, or whether it was about the sound.

    He was apparently distantly related to Wolfe Tone.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchot_Tone

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I never knew much about him, but after reading his impressive resume including his extensive listing of films that he starred in (within the Wikipedia posting) I’ll definitely be keeping my eye out for more. Having a place on the Hollywood Walk of Fame is impressive enough, but having been married to Joan Crawford?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Not necessarily related, but was thinking recently that actors used to be a lot more aristocratic-looking and sounding. (At least a subset, and not just English)

    I don't know if I am just imagining it or not, but I wonder if one of the last holdouts was weirdly horror. Guys like Christopher Lee, Peter Cushing, and Vincent Price. They were all tall and had an imposing presence, and refined speech.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  444. @Dmitry
    @Mr. Hack

    I don't think you can daily commute to work on a plane, unless you mean a private jet where you don't need to sit in the airport.

    But on the train it is far more comfortable and relaxing to commute than driving. After the invention of notebook computers, it can even be almost like office time for the workers.


    I’m not sure that the costs associated with building a Maglev could be substantiated?

     

    In Japan they are investing in the R&D cost, the US could purchase already-finished products from there.

    In terms of the cost-benefit? Silicon Valley is so productive, probably any transport projects connecting to there would be easy to justify.

    It would become rapidly popular in Silicon Valley to go on the Maglev to the Salt Lake. This could contribute to many future investments in Salt Lake. From the view of San Jose, it would be less beneficial than in the other direction, from the Utah view they would receive a lot of benefit.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

    You’re a convincing salesman. Is this your own private pipe dream, or is anybody else behind this vision?

    I really enjoy train travel and what little of it that I’ve experienced has been within Ukraine. Before this unfortunate war started, I was planning to take the very picturesque trip from Lviv to Uzhgorod by train ($8 one way), actually several trips within the Carpathians look quite interesting. Unfortunately, some of the railway was one of the first casualties of Putler’s re-education efforts. I think that its already been repaired.
    Much more than a tourist attraction, Ukraine’s railway system has indeed transfomed itself into the lifeline of the country.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    I really enjoy train travel and what little of it that I’ve experienced has been within Ukraine. Before this unfortunate war started, I was planning to take the very picturesque trip from Lviv to Uzhgorod by train ($8 one way), actually several trips within the Carpathians look quite interesting. Unfortunately, some of the railway was one of the first casualties of Putler’s re-education efforts. I think that its already been repaired.
     
    At issue is the use of such for armed conflict by the Kiev regime. As an inside, do you think the Israelis have been more humane in their military attacks?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spxPW0M4I-g

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  445. @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    You're a convincing salesman. Is this your own private pipe dream, or is anybody else behind this vision?

    I really enjoy train travel and what little of it that I've experienced has been within Ukraine. Before this unfortunate war started, I was planning to take the very picturesque trip from Lviv to Uzhgorod by train ($8 one way), actually several trips within the Carpathians look quite interesting. Unfortunately, some of the railway was one of the first casualties of Putler's re-education efforts. I think that its already been repaired.

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/18c4cf4c6840fdd447f491d92e7d70a84307fa76/0_407_6016_3609/master/6016.jpg?width=1200&height=1200&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&s=0112ae89922cb80a1fb3dbac19060ab2
    Much more than a tourist attraction, Ukraine's railway system has indeed transfomed itself into the lifeline of the country.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    I really enjoy train travel and what little of it that I’ve experienced has been within Ukraine. Before this unfortunate war started, I was planning to take the very picturesque trip from Lviv to Uzhgorod by train ($8 one way), actually several trips within the Carpathians look quite interesting. Unfortunately, some of the railway was one of the first casualties of Putler’s re-education efforts. I think that its already been repaired.

    At issue is the use of such for armed conflict by the Kiev regime. As an inside, do you think the Israelis have been more humane in their military attacks?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail


    At issue is the use of such for armed conflict by the Kiev regime.
     
    The government in Kyiv has every right to defend the country from barbaric incursions. They're doing a good job of it, three more Russian colonels gone from the battlefield and two more naval ships destroyed too, all within the last few days, or don't you get the news anymore in New York city?
  446. @Dmitry
    @A123


    guarantee that MAGA Republicans will win in 2024.
     
    Other Republican candidates are more popular against Biden in the same polls, so Trump is the current heel of Achilles in relation to the guarantee for the Republicans to win in 2024.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/

    Just two weeks ago, Biden was more popular than Trump in some of the same polls. Biden has a bad week in the polls this week, but we can't predict if this will continue. For example, if the economy improves next year.

    On the other hand, if the Republicans had a more general popular candidate it should have been a guarantee to win as Biden is an unusually unpopular president.


    won the election in 2020 versus Not-The-President Biden. It was stolen by chicanery. Thus, he has a near certain chance to win again in 2024.

     

    If it was "stolen" in 2020, it could be "stolen" in 2024.

    massive strength with independents, moderates, and other swing voters (1).
     
    Trump is popular with the Republican nomination voters. But he is less popular with the general voters. So, he is usually less successful in polls against Biden in comparison to the other Republicans. This is why he is their heel of Achilles, as the Republicans will use a candidate who is not the most popular with the general voters.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4295627-trump-biden-haley-2024-swing-state-poll/

    https://law.marquette.edu/poll/2023/11/08/marquette-law-school-poll-survey-of-wisconsin-finds-biden-leads-trump-by-2-points-trails-desantis-and-haley/

    https://highlandcountypress.com/opinions/poll-faceoff-biden-haley-desantis-outperform-trump

    Replies: @A123

    Trump is popular with the Republican nomination voters. But he is less popular with the general voters. So, he is usually less successful in polls against Biden in comparison to the other Republicans.

    Try here instead (it is in the screen upper right)

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/

    • Trump is +1.1% over Not-The-President Biden
    • DeSantis is a loser -0.4%
    • Haley is ahead +2.4%

    Polling Margin of Error is generally +/-3%. So if you believe in MoE your argument is shot as there is “no statistical difference”. If you ignore MoE you have admit that DeSantis is worse than Trump. Your choice.
    ___

    There is an obvious timing problem with Haley’s numbers . Her warmonger performance at the 3rd GOP debate was the November 8th. The most recent poll closed November 2nd (1).

    Losing debates and espousing unpopular positions drives down results. This should show up in the next month as the collection of polls change.

    If it was “stolen” in 2020, it could be “stolen” in 2024.

    The level of theft in 2020 was unprecedented, appeared by surprise, and the GOP was unprepared.

    In 2024, The DNC will have much less chance to steal due to MAGA’s ground game that has been building up at the local level. Both sides will be Harvesting and Fultoning. Voting is still important as huge margin will defang DNC efforts to steal the election.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general_election_haley_vs_biden-8127.html#polls

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @A123

    Trump is popular with the Republican primary voters, but a relatively not so popular with the general voters.

    In 2016, because of this he was not able to win the popular vote against Hilary Clinton, who was a very weak presidential candidate selected by Democrats. In 2020, he loses both popular and formal vote to Joe Biden, who is also an unpopular candidate, one of the most low effort politicians.

    In 2024, Biden will be even more unpopular than in 2020, so it would normally be a guarantee of a Republican victory. But Republicans would elect also relatively not supported by the general votes Trump, so Biden still has a possibility to survive and it could depend on the economic situation next year.

    For the cognitive reserve of the candidates. Biden seems to have very little energy and a low level of short-term memory. He probably outsourcing most of the decisions to some advisors. Trump has a lot more energy and memory compared to Biden, but he is often looking in kind of loop repeating the same narrow themes around himself.

    Replies: @A123

  447. @Greasy William
    @A123

    The idea that Biden has any chance against Trump is total fantasyland stuff from the resident neocons. It's fine to hate Trump (no it isn't), but as of now he's set to win the 2024 election and win it big.

    If the election were held today, Trump wins by 4 points at least. After the economy melts down, look for that margin to grow to 7 points minimum

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    The idea that Biden has any chance against Trump is total fantasyland stuff from the resident neocons.

    Seeing the NeoConDemocrat sheeple in full on bleating #Bidenista mode is highly entertaining. They know that Trump’s 2nd term will:

    • End U.S. funding for Kiev aggression
    • Not be baited into putting boots on the ground in Iran

    That Haley is being espoused as a serious contender to MAGA/Trump is amusing.

    The DNC needs a PoC female to replace the Veggie-in-Chief on their ticket. Haley’s lust for multiple Forever Wars is a perfect match to war party Democrats. Why not pick establishment shill Haley? It would be interesting to see a Trump versus Haley as a general election matchup.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @A123

    The Jeffrey Goldberg crew clearly said such:

    https://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/video/2023/11/washington-week-with-the-atlantic-full-episode-111023

    Very half truthful to say that Haley has foreign policy experience. Plenty of people exist for years in a given field with a lousy track record. There's a reason why she didn't last long as UN ambassador.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    • End U.S. funding for Kiev aggression
     
    I keep reminding you that it's Ukraine that's defending itself in this war, not Russia. Because you can't seem to understand something so elementary, I can't really expect you to remember that under his watch, Trump also funded Ukraine, at least 250 million. You know that Reagan would have supported Ukraine in its current plight against the "evil empire", now you don't think that Trump (like you) wants to appear as an appeasing, soft wristed deviant, do you?

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ukraine-idUSKCN1VX213

    Replies: @Sean, @QCIC

  448. @A123
    @Greasy William


    The idea that Biden has any chance against Trump is total fantasyland stuff from the resident neocons.
     
    Seeing the NeoConDemocrat sheeple in full on bleating #Bidenista mode is highly entertaining. They know that Trump's 2nd term will:

    • End U.S. funding for Kiev aggression
    • Not be baited into putting boots on the ground in Iran

    That Haley is being espoused as a serious contender to MAGA/Trump is amusing.

    The DNC needs a PoC female to replace the Veggie-in-Chief on their ticket. Haley's lust for multiple Forever Wars is a perfect match to war party Democrats. Why not pick establishment shill Haley? It would be interesting to see a Trump versus Haley as a general election matchup.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    The Jeffrey Goldberg crew clearly said such:

    https://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/video/2023/11/washington-week-with-the-atlantic-full-episode-111023

    Very half truthful to say that Haley has foreign policy experience. Plenty of people exist for years in a given field with a lousy track record. There’s a reason why she didn’t last long as UN ambassador.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    LOL to you too and to all of your kremlin stooge buddies. You all need a "lot of luck" peddling your worn out BS!

    https://www.toonpool.com/user/2219/files/kremlin_1981815.jpg

  449. @JL
    @LondonBob

    If Israel's economy is buckling, why is the currency so strong? It went through a bout of volatility, but is now back to almost where it was when the conflict broke out.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @A123, @Dmitry

    The crazies stating that eternal economic collapse will consume Israel are simply desperate. Breaking Hamas will take months, not years. The fight is expensive, but not unaffordable.

    Maintaining security in Gaza has a cost similar to the security perimeter around Gaza, so that is not a major change economic burden. There will be some change over costs for the new system, but again those are affordable expenditures.
    ___

    There is a potential economic trap — Civil Administration of Gaza.

    Rebuilding civilian infrastructure is expensive. And, the fresh water problem is unsolvable. These issues must be left in Muslim hands, so Islam remains responsible for the folly of Iranian Hamas.

    Fortunately, the international community is (accidentally) pushing in a useful direction. Their enthusiasm for elections to replace Hamas with new locals is exactly what will be needed.

    PEACE 😇

  450. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    I really enjoy train travel and what little of it that I’ve experienced has been within Ukraine. Before this unfortunate war started, I was planning to take the very picturesque trip from Lviv to Uzhgorod by train ($8 one way), actually several trips within the Carpathians look quite interesting. Unfortunately, some of the railway was one of the first casualties of Putler’s re-education efforts. I think that its already been repaired.
     
    At issue is the use of such for armed conflict by the Kiev regime. As an inside, do you think the Israelis have been more humane in their military attacks?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spxPW0M4I-g

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    At issue is the use of such for armed conflict by the Kiev regime.

    The government in Kyiv has every right to defend the country from barbaric incursions. They’re doing a good job of it, three more Russian colonels gone from the battlefield and two more naval ships destroyed too, all within the last few days, or don’t you get the news anymore in New York city?

    • LOL: Mikhail
  451. @A123
    @Greasy William


    The idea that Biden has any chance against Trump is total fantasyland stuff from the resident neocons.
     
    Seeing the NeoConDemocrat sheeple in full on bleating #Bidenista mode is highly entertaining. They know that Trump's 2nd term will:

    • End U.S. funding for Kiev aggression
    • Not be baited into putting boots on the ground in Iran

    That Haley is being espoused as a serious contender to MAGA/Trump is amusing.

    The DNC needs a PoC female to replace the Veggie-in-Chief on their ticket. Haley's lust for multiple Forever Wars is a perfect match to war party Democrats. Why not pick establishment shill Haley? It would be interesting to see a Trump versus Haley as a general election matchup.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    • End U.S. funding for Kiev aggression

    I keep reminding you that it’s Ukraine that’s defending itself in this war, not Russia. Because you can’t seem to understand something so elementary, I can’t really expect you to remember that under his watch, Trump also funded Ukraine, at least 250 million. You know that Reagan would have supported Ukraine in its current plight against the “evil empire”, now you don’t think that Trump (like you) wants to appear as an appeasing, soft wristed deviant, do you?

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ukraine-idUSKCN1VX213

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Sean
    @Mr. Hack


    I keep reminding you that it’s Ukraine that’s defending itself in this war, not Russia. ...
     
    Only in fairy tales does the question of which side is more morally upright matter. And only in such stories does anyone see themselves as an aggressor.
    , @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Mr. Hack, in wars, what you describe is the essence of being a pawn. The pawn thinks he is doing something for his own reasons. Because he has allowed himself to be tricked he actually plays a pivotal role in a more consequential process which he doesn't immediately recognize.

    Ukraine was conned into unnecessarily "defending itself" against Russia since the West wanted to pressure Russia militarily, culturally and economically. Because of the close ties and direct proximity of the two countries, Ukraine is the best pressure the West can find outside of nuclear war.

    Please tell me you understand this argument in a general sense, even if you disagree on the weighting of various facts?

    If the pawn clearly recognized how the West was inducing Ukraine to pressure Russia, he would have said "Hell no! Are you trying to get me killed! Are you trying to get us all killed?"

    Of course there are simple wars of one country defending itself against another. I don't think that usually happens when you have giant nuclear-armed empires around.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

  452. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I never knew much about him, but after reading his impressive resume including his extensive listing of films that he starred in (within the Wikipedia posting) I'll definitely be keeping my eye out for more. Having a place on the Hollywood Walk of Fame is impressive enough, but having been married to Joan Crawford?

    https://i.pinimg.com/474x/a4/b7/29/a4b729e31c4d191689bbe38becc5d2a3--hollywood-walk-of-fame-hollywood-stars.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

    Not necessarily related, but was thinking recently that actors used to be a lot more aristocratic-looking and sounding. (At least a subset, and not just English)

    I don’t know if I am just imagining it or not, but I wonder if one of the last holdouts was weirdly horror. Guys like Christopher Lee, Peter Cushing, and Vincent Price. They were all tall and had an imposing presence, and refined speech.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    You're probably right. I recently watched a good flick including Peter Cushing, "The Revenge of Frankenstein", where he played the role of a scion of an old aristocratic family with a presence all over Europe. All three very often played the roles of upper-crust doctors or professors, all very "aristocratic". Was there ever a more dedicated film company than Hammer that specialized in gothic horror?

    Replies: @songbird

  453. @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    • End U.S. funding for Kiev aggression
     
    I keep reminding you that it's Ukraine that's defending itself in this war, not Russia. Because you can't seem to understand something so elementary, I can't really expect you to remember that under his watch, Trump also funded Ukraine, at least 250 million. You know that Reagan would have supported Ukraine in its current plight against the "evil empire", now you don't think that Trump (like you) wants to appear as an appeasing, soft wristed deviant, do you?

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ukraine-idUSKCN1VX213

    Replies: @Sean, @QCIC

    I keep reminding you that it’s Ukraine that’s defending itself in this war, not Russia. …

    Only in fairy tales does the question of which side is more morally upright matter. And only in such stories does anyone see themselves as an aggressor.

  454. @Mikhail
    @A123

    The Jeffrey Goldberg crew clearly said such:

    https://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/video/2023/11/washington-week-with-the-atlantic-full-episode-111023

    Very half truthful to say that Haley has foreign policy experience. Plenty of people exist for years in a given field with a lousy track record. There's a reason why she didn't last long as UN ambassador.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    LOL to you too and to all of your kremlin stooge buddies. You all need a “lot of luck” peddling your worn out BS!

    • LOL: Mikhail
  455. @LondonBob
    @John Johnson

    Mormons are heavily involved with the casinos in Nevada despite their so called religious values, I have no time for them, bullshit religion invented by their founder who wanted access to women, of all ages.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Mormons are like Jews in the feature that some industries are so populated that if you work in that industry you have to make time for them, and also that in some regions such industries are in top tier employers of choice.

    Unless you are so independently resourceful you may do whatever you please.

    Michael Hoffman wrote an article that was on the front page the other day condemning one and all for our compromises with Jews. He lives around Mormons and so has more than a mote there in his own eye.

    They have really good doomsday preparation HOWTOs. Who knows? A one-year store of food might maybe just come in handy.

  456. @LatW
    @songbird


    Did any other country ever had a head of state that started as an ambassador to the UN, like Israel? In America, it would be totally unthinkable.
     
    I don't have enough knowledge of this but my guess would be that Israel might be an exception here, because of their ongoing difficulties with the UN. Someone who was able to get in the weeds and fight hard for Israel at the UN as an ambassador might actually be revered in Israel, whereas in other countries an ambassador to the UN might be viewed as a boring career functionary (and might in fact typically be someone who goes to the UN when their normal political or bureaucrat career has already ended - it's a bit of a sinecure whereas Israel doesn't have such luxuries).

    I wonder if the UN might have weirdly preserved any countries that would have otherwise felt the need to form larger blocks.
     

    The "rules based system" is very good as long as it works. As long as there is some stability and observance of "rights". When this doesn't exist and when the world is more dangerous, the countries will naturally flock together. I would think so at least, even though, obviously, there is a ton of regional bickering and mini-alliances among many countries, of course.

    I’d hate to think of the EU being a model for any place, as it seems so dysfunctional.
     
    If you take aside multi-culturalism and non-Euro immigrant issues, then the EU actually functions quite well. Remember that this is a very large number of countries, each with rather high standards when it comes to having their needs met (or at least heard). If the EU had some kind of a tangible common defense or military component, it would actually be a very good example of what a solid regional bloc should look like.

    Right now there is the Artemis accords and its Chinese counterpart.
     
    It isn't bad, but it is a very narrow sphere, although important.

    These days everyone seems to be engaging in some kind of military adventurism. But I suspect that the bigger players are generally too dysfunctional for direct wars, to say nothing of nukes.

     

    The problem is that it's already bad enough even without the big players getting directly involved with each other. And it's not so much that they are dysfunctional but that thankfully they do not appear to be interested enough in a large war (too much interconnectivity or interdependence).

    But this isn't good enough, because we need something new and permanent that allows us to return to the "rules based order" where large predator type actors cannot just do what they want randomly. Partitioning a large country such as Ukraine is a huge deal (same as driving millions into exile within weeks) or killing thousands in days such as in Palestine is also unacceptable. If nothing can be done to avoid this, then well armed, protective regional blocs might be the answer. The only issue then would be what to do with the weaker populations who do not fit into such blocs or are left on the margins where they are cruelly exploited.

    Replies: @songbird

    When Bibi was at the UN, he supposedly had a net outside over his window to prevent people from dropping bombs.

    If you take aside multi-culturalism and non-Euro immigrant issues, then the EU actually functions quite well.

    I rather like how they made Apple bend the knee and use USB c and seem poised to force replaceable batteries on phones.

    But I am not to sure about much of the rest of it. I feel like the wrong people are in charge, and if you took all the migrants out of the equation somehow, they would still be very antinationalist and antinatalist, and trying to deracinate every country, mix it with internal migration, drive up the rents, expand to Turkey and North Africa and beyond. Of course, much or the damage actually happens on the national level, but somehow it more distressing to see this cooperation on it.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @songbird


    antinatalist
     
    That is a generally Western thing, not solely European. Some of it has to do with the "mass entertainment" and mass media factor (such as the proliferation of porn and the Tinder "culture" - Euros are bad that way too, but the mass media factor makes it much worse) and that actually comes from America. Another big factor on natalism is the neoliberal economy and that is global too - we see the same trend in China.

    expand to Turkey and North Africa
     
    That's not that likely to happen.

    Replies: @songbird

  457. @songbird
    @LatW

    When Bibi was at the UN, he supposedly had a net outside over his window to prevent people from dropping bombs.


    If you take aside multi-culturalism and non-Euro immigrant issues, then the EU actually functions quite well.
     
    I rather like how they made Apple bend the knee and use USB c and seem poised to force replaceable batteries on phones.

    But I am not to sure about much of the rest of it. I feel like the wrong people are in charge, and if you took all the migrants out of the equation somehow, they would still be very antinationalist and antinatalist, and trying to deracinate every country, mix it with internal migration, drive up the rents, expand to Turkey and North Africa and beyond. Of course, much or the damage actually happens on the national level, but somehow it more distressing to see this cooperation on it.

    Replies: @LatW

    antinatalist

    That is a generally Western thing, not solely European. Some of it has to do with the “mass entertainment” and mass media factor (such as the proliferation of porn and the Tinder “culture” – Euros are bad that way too, but the mass media factor makes it much worse) and that actually comes from America. Another big factor on natalism is the neoliberal economy and that is global too – we see the same trend in China.

    expand to Turkey and North Africa

    That’s not that likely to happen.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LatW


    and mass media factor (such as the proliferation of porn
     
    I'm not saying I think porn is good - at the very least, it is probably responsible for trannies and the move towards coarser language and culture - all of which I abhor. But I think it is mainly a scapegoat employed by Boomers, when it comes to TFR.

    Believe it is banned both in China and South Korea. (Though not sure how effective ban is.)

    >expand to Turkey and North Africa

    That’s not that likely to happen.
     
    Not in the near future, but the Roman Empire encompassed those places. Religion seems like a weak force these days. And Euro nationalism seems fairly absent on a cultural level or among the elites. Plus the population is becoming more MENA.

    If anything the objections seem economic, or about "human rights." And not about identity. EU is becoming increasingly totalitarian, and there might be workarounds to economic, such as automation and social credits.
    _________
    I wonder why boars are at much higher latitudes in Europe than NA. Pigs were introduced about 500 years ago, but feral ones haven't made it very far north. Though, I do like turkeys and fear their potential effects on them.

    Replies: @LatW

  458. Christoforou’s sarcasm at its best:

    Nord Stream coordinator caught. Macron, next month will decide war. Arab League split on Gaza. U/1

    Love his impersonations of Zelensky, Scholz and Trudeau.

  459. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    and the US is changing so fast that I don’t know how much 2028 will matter.
     
    I recently saw claims on (formerly) Twitter that Biden's administration in three years has let in as many Latinos as had come in the previous 250 years. It's really extraordinary how immigration has escalated in recent years both in North America and key parts of Europe like Britain and Germany. I'm normally not one to believe in behind the scenes conspiracies, but sometimes I do wonder if this isn't to some extent a coordinated effort. The stated reasons for those policies don't make any sense either.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Wokechoke

    I know you can’t say Jew, so I’ll say it for you.

    • LOL: LondonBob
  460. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    kremlonstooges of a feather all flock together.....

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Wokechoke

    Maggot.

  461. Israeli media reporting that entire security cabinet wants invasion of Lebanon but that coward Netanyahu is blocking it. Bibi already tried to prevent the ground operation and failed, he’ll fail to prevent war with Lebanon as well.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Greasy William

    Where are you getting your information? Odds are you have stumbled on a low quality resource that is incorrectly conflating "Israel's North" (a.k.a. Hezbollah) and "Gaza's North". Citations would be helpful.

    Israel is is using air strikes against Iranian Hezbollah sites. However, there is nothing indicating the security cabinet is foolish enough to want a two front war. Netanyahu would be courageous enough to refuse such a folly if it was presented to him.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @A123
    @Greasy William

    This piece indicates the opposite of what you are suggesting. (1)


    many Palestinians were hoping that Nasrallah would have declared war by now, and they are said to be "disappointed" this hasn't happened. This is true also of Palestinians in refugee camps in Lebanon, some of which were interviewed by Al Jazeera:

    His message fell short for many Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila, a Palestinian refugee camp that sprawls out across two Beirut neighborhoods.

    “I wanted him to open up the war completely,” said Abdallah, 25, one of the Palestinians who gathered anxiously at a sidewalk cafe in Sabra and Shatila to watch the speech.

     

    And others echoed the same:

    “Hezbollah is fighting and they’re trying, but we want them to make more happen,” said Abdallah.

    Some Palestinians in Lebanon believe that Hezbollah should take the fight to Israel first.
     
    But feelings are much more mixed among Lebanese themselves, who remember much of the country being bombed in 2006, including Beirut's international airport. But unlike the situation in 2006, Lebanon's economy is currently in tailspin, amid other worsening societal woes.

    There are fears that a full Hezbollah assault would drag the entire country into war with Israel, and it remains that the Lebanese Army doesn't have much of an air force or proper anti-air defenses to speak of if Israel chooses to bomb the whole country "back to the stone age" - as Israeli leaders past and present have frequently vowed.

    So far both Hezbollah and the IDF have exercised some degree of restraint in order to keep the exchanges of fire "limited" - despite casualties on either side the border.
     
    Israel has air power options. There is no motivation to choose a less effective and potentially riskier ground offensive.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/palestinians-disappointed-hezbollah-hasnt-escalated-northern-war-israel
  462. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Then Ukraine can have its own nuclear deterrent instead
     
    That ship has sailed. In the 90's that was certainly a better option than the mindless expansion on Nato. But how would that happen now? With thousands of dead, deep hostilities and trigger happy desperate Kiev leaders it is will simply not happen. You reap what you saw, and Kiev has put itself into a corner - nobody including the US or UK - wants to see them anywhere close to nukes.

    Why the fuck would the West want to spark a nuclear war with Russia?
     
    I don't think they do. It started out as a cosmic-size bluff: many in the West were convinced that Russia wouldn't react. So they pushed and surrounded Russia, and when partially confronted - in Ossetia and Crimea - they doubled down. Russia called their bluff and now we are stuck because the West doesn't like to lose face. They are looking for a way out but want a decent period and some gestures so they can present it as a draw or at least not a total defeat. That's risky since they have very little left to play with.

    This is the result of letting blood-thirsty, inexperienced, revenge-seeking morons run the Western policy. It is one gigantic f...up. I hope we can find a way to walk away unscathed.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

    Didn’t the West largely let Russia’s actions in Ossetia and Crimea slide, though?

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Didn’t the West largely let Russia’s actions in Ossetia and Crimea slide, though?
     
    Of course, they did, but not only that - they were going to let the whole Ukraine invasion slide, too - only when the Ukrainians fought back and threw the Russians out of Kyiv, did the West start helping for real (don't remember if the sanctions were placed before or after the Kyiv battles).

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ


    Didn’t the West largely let Russia’s actions in Ossetia and Crimea slide, though?
     
    None of their business. No more 1990s.
  463. @John Johnson
    @LatW

    When you put it that way, it made me think that the Mormon religion became attractive to some people for the same reason that people are now buying Bronze Age Pervert’s book because it uses the words “selective breeding” in its title.

    Well you can see how it plays to the envy of the average Joe.

    Your non-Mormon betters become your slaves for eternity.

    That asshole with the pretty wife and big house? Yea well YOU GET YOUR OWN PLANET DUDE WITH LIKE A HUNDRED WOMEN. OH AND HE WILL BE A MORMON SLAVE.

    It's just ridiculously comical in its appeal to baser natures of men.

    Did they make any attempts at presenting any kind of a rational explanation as to where all those new, young and beautiful wives would be coming from? Or are they just provided by God?

    Maybe they plan on taking the wives of Christians and Jews? I don't see the math working out any other way unless God just starts creating them as adults.

    We do know that unmarried Mormon women are assigned as a space wife upon death.

    They get hit by a bus and then wake up as wife #38 to some creep. Time to spread for your new husband.

    Single Mormon women are shamed in the Mormon church. They have to sit in the back or in the singles ward.

    Once they are past a certain age they are treated like failures and it is assumed they will have to wait to get preggos in the afterlife. They become rejects and disowned by their former friends that got married.

    Interestingly they have an excess of a single women and it is getting worse. It was once assumed they would be immune but they have the same problem as protestant churches. The men aren't going and the women sit around and pray for a husband.

    Mormon life for the average Joe is pretty awful. They constantly get compared to wealthy Mormon men that can afford 6 kids. It's a keeping up with the Jones mentality. If a Mormon man is born into wealth he is considered blessed by God and not spoiled. It means the family is virtuous and did everything right.

    Now in comes Mr. XYZ to tell us that we should tolerate this space polygamy cult that was transcribed from a magic hat because they smile and mow their lawns.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    Now in comes Mr. XYZ to tell us that we should tolerate this space polygamy cult that was transcribed from a magic hat because they smile and mow their lawns.

    That’s not why. Rather, it’s because they have eugenic fertility patterns.

  464. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Didn't the West largely let Russia's actions in Ossetia and Crimea slide, though?

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikhail

    Didn’t the West largely let Russia’s actions in Ossetia and Crimea slide, though?

    Of course, they did, but not only that – they were going to let the whole Ukraine invasion slide, too – only when the Ukrainians fought back and threw the Russians out of Kyiv, did the West start helping for real (don’t remember if the sanctions were placed before or after the Kyiv battles).

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @LatW
    @LatW

    Not to mention that the West, for years, has accepted (with very few exceptions), all the human rights abuses inside of Russia because they always treated Russia as a "special partner" (who can always be forgiven these things). The abuse in Russian prisons, political prisoners (other than the famous liberal ones), ethnocide of Finnic nations - the world doesn't care about those.

    Replies: @Matra

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    IIRC, the Western sanctions on Russia were placed as soon as possible after Russia invaded Ukraine, possibly still back when the West expected Ukraine to eventually lose this war.

  465. https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/11/12/polish-city-appeals-to-residents-to-stop-feeding-wild-boars-as-urban-population-booms/

    Great photo. Healthy looking wild boars. They seem to be fitting well into the environmental niche.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Healthy looking wild boars.
     
    Oh, they are and this has become a common problem in that part of the world. The wild boar population seems to be growing rather quickly and they sometimes venture into the city. Maybe their breeding pattern has become not "selective" enough? :)

    Although the real reason they come into the city might be because there are a lot of grassy areas there to feed on (such as in parks), and because there is some new construction going on that affects their normal habitat.

    Once I saw a really cute baby boar rummaging through a pile of leaves near my mom's house (in a residential area). Really close up. And it jumped into the bushes really fast when I walked up so, yes, they are athletic and very strong animals.

    But they can be dangerous in the wild when hunted - the big daddy boars can get really vicious during hunting and can harm the hunter. Their meat is quite ok, not bad.

    Their mating period is right about now, October to December. And they are very adaptable to a better environment, there is plenty of food, and it's also become warmer recently. They have their own synchronized mating pattern and there is one top female (that apparently controls the mating for other females).

    They can wreck somebody's garden though.

    , @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Heard somewhere that the only two animals that have any running endurance when compared to people are dogs and birds like ostriches.

    Frankly seems like a gross oversimplification, at best. But I wonder specifically about boars and how they might compare with dogs.

    Hogzilla probably can't travel too well, but would it be quite difficult to breed pigs with any endurance? Is my dream of Pygmies riding battle-boars, just a dream?

    Replies: @LatW

  466. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Didn’t the West largely let Russia’s actions in Ossetia and Crimea slide, though?
     
    Of course, they did, but not only that - they were going to let the whole Ukraine invasion slide, too - only when the Ukrainians fought back and threw the Russians out of Kyiv, did the West start helping for real (don't remember if the sanctions were placed before or after the Kyiv battles).

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ

    Not to mention that the West, for years, has accepted (with very few exceptions), all the human rights abuses inside of Russia because they always treated Russia as a “special partner” (who can always be forgiven these things). The abuse in Russian prisons, political prisoners (other than the famous liberal ones), ethnocide of Finnic nations – the world doesn’t care about those.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Matra
    @LatW

    Charles Haywood (the Worthy House) recently ran the numbers and concluded that the USA has more political prisoners than did East Germany in the 1980s. Do people in the Baltics care about them? Britain probably has even more given how easy it is to violate the country's so-called hate crimes laws.

    Replies: @LatW

  467. @Greasy William
    Israeli media reporting that entire security cabinet wants invasion of Lebanon but that coward Netanyahu is blocking it. Bibi already tried to prevent the ground operation and failed, he'll fail to prevent war with Lebanon as well.

    Replies: @A123, @A123

    Where are you getting your information? Odds are you have stumbled on a low quality resource that is incorrectly conflating “Israel’s North” (a.k.a. Hezbollah) and “Gaza’s North”. Citations would be helpful.

    Israel is is using air strikes against Iranian Hezbollah sites. However, there is nothing indicating the security cabinet is foolish enough to want a two front war. Netanyahu would be courageous enough to refuse such a folly if it was presented to him.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @A123

    You're talking to Greasy William. I wouldn't expect he knows what is "Israeli media reporting". It will be likely be received from his imagination, which is why doesn't post a resource to support the claim.

  468. @Greasy William
    Israeli media reporting that entire security cabinet wants invasion of Lebanon but that coward Netanyahu is blocking it. Bibi already tried to prevent the ground operation and failed, he'll fail to prevent war with Lebanon as well.

    Replies: @A123, @A123

    This piece indicates the opposite of what you are suggesting. (1)

    many Palestinians were hoping that Nasrallah would have declared war by now, and they are said to be “disappointed” this hasn’t happened. This is true also of Palestinians in refugee camps in Lebanon, some of which were interviewed by Al Jazeera:

    His message fell short for many Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila, a Palestinian refugee camp that sprawls out across two Beirut neighborhoods.

    “I wanted him to open up the war completely,” said Abdallah, 25, one of the Palestinians who gathered anxiously at a sidewalk cafe in Sabra and Shatila to watch the speech.

    And others echoed the same:

    “Hezbollah is fighting and they’re trying, but we want them to make more happen,” said Abdallah.

    Some Palestinians in Lebanon believe that Hezbollah should take the fight to Israel first.

    But feelings are much more mixed among Lebanese themselves, who remember much of the country being bombed in 2006, including Beirut’s international airport. But unlike the situation in 2006, Lebanon’s economy is currently in tailspin, amid other worsening societal woes.

    There are fears that a full Hezbollah assault would drag the entire country into war with Israel, and it remains that the Lebanese Army doesn’t have much of an air force or proper anti-air defenses to speak of if Israel chooses to bomb the whole country “back to the stone age” – as Israeli leaders past and present have frequently vowed.

    So far both Hezbollah and the IDF have exercised some degree of restraint in order to keep the exchanges of fire “limited” – despite casualties on either side the border.

    Israel has air power options. There is no motivation to choose a less effective and potentially riskier ground offensive.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/palestinians-disappointed-hezbollah-hasnt-escalated-northern-war-israel

  469. @Emil Nikola Richard
    https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/11/12/polish-city-appeals-to-residents-to-stop-feeding-wild-boars-as-urban-population-booms/

    Great photo. Healthy looking wild boars. They seem to be fitting well into the environmental niche.

    Replies: @LatW, @songbird

    Healthy looking wild boars.

    Oh, they are and this has become a common problem in that part of the world. The wild boar population seems to be growing rather quickly and they sometimes venture into the city. Maybe their breeding pattern has become not “selective” enough? 🙂

    Although the real reason they come into the city might be because there are a lot of grassy areas there to feed on (such as in parks), and because there is some new construction going on that affects their normal habitat.

    Once I saw a really cute baby boar rummaging through a pile of leaves near my mom’s house (in a residential area). Really close up. And it jumped into the bushes really fast when I walked up so, yes, they are athletic and very strong animals.

    But they can be dangerous in the wild when hunted – the big daddy boars can get really vicious during hunting and can harm the hunter. Their meat is quite ok, not bad.

    Their mating period is right about now, October to December. And they are very adaptable to a better environment, there is plenty of food, and it’s also become warmer recently. They have their own synchronized mating pattern and there is one top female (that apparently controls the mating for other females).

    They can wreck somebody’s garden though.

  470. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...How many Russians do you think have died...And how many Ukrainians?
     
    Wouldn't you agree that too many? They died for the insane dream of placing Nato in Ukraine so they can better intimidate Russia. Too many Ukies were taken by the usual promises made by the West. That's how they operate - they paint a great future and make vague promises. Somehow that future"always stays in the "future". Except for a few lucky ones who get rewarded as soon as they deliver. (But I guess it beats the alternative - Ukieland is a dreary land.)

    Ukraine is slowly collapsing, they have started the usual internal fights that always precede the end. A year ago a neutral Ukraine 80% of its territory could have been negotiated. I doubt that deal is still available. It could end with a 20 million defanged central-west refuge with some trade deal with EU, no official Nato but lots of excited secret plotting, angry and disappointed people. Kind of like an EU appendage for cheap labor - Guatemala of eastern Europe. Like we really needed another Moldova.

    Replies: @AP

    Wouldn’t you agree that too many? They died for the insane dream of placing Nato in Ukraine so they can better intimidate Russia.

    They died because Putin wanted Ukraine to be united with Russia, to undo the fall of the USSR and the Rusiasn Empire. And Ukrainians did not want that. They preferred to fight in order to prevent that. It’s an old struggle, much older than NATO. You obviously don’t understand.

    Everything is secondary to that.

    Ukraine is slowly collapsing, they have started the usual internal fights that always precede the end.

    Like Prigozhin?

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...Everything is secondary to that.
     
    Maybe to you, but not to the millions of Russians in Crimea, Donbas, elsewhere. You don't get to decide for them. They wanted friendly normal relations with Russia and no Nato. They were quite willing to compromise, but your side bombed them.

    It is too late now: Kiev is losing and no rational observer sees a way to reverse it. You are waiting for a coup in Russia, miracle weapons, maybe Putin dying (that would make little difference). Prigozhin was a minor joke compared to the internal struggle in Kiev.

    The best deal Kiev can get is a neutral rump-Ukraine with normal policies for minorities and no visible security threats to Russia, some association with EU. If they refuse to negotiate, the rump will shrink and Russian security demands will get worse. But if it makes you feel better to go down screaming slogans about "Empires" nobody can help you.

    Replies: @AP

  471. @Emil Nikola Richard
    https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/11/12/polish-city-appeals-to-residents-to-stop-feeding-wild-boars-as-urban-population-booms/

    Great photo. Healthy looking wild boars. They seem to be fitting well into the environmental niche.

    Replies: @LatW, @songbird

    Heard somewhere that the only two animals that have any running endurance when compared to people are dogs and birds like ostriches.

    Frankly seems like a gross oversimplification, at best. But I wonder specifically about boars and how they might compare with dogs.

    Hogzilla probably can’t travel too well, but would it be quite difficult to breed pigs with any endurance? Is my dream of Pygmies riding battle-boars, just a dream?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @songbird


    Is my dream of Pygmies riding battle-boars, just a dream?
     
    This sounds truly glorious but I don't know how one could control these boars (to be able to ride them). They could drop the poor Pygmy and stomp on it or bite it. They can maul one's hand if they get really angry and feel danger. And they are damn fast - it's not easy to hunt them as they move very quickly. And they like to live and move around in groups (families).

    Replies: @Coconuts

  472. @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Heard somewhere that the only two animals that have any running endurance when compared to people are dogs and birds like ostriches.

    Frankly seems like a gross oversimplification, at best. But I wonder specifically about boars and how they might compare with dogs.

    Hogzilla probably can't travel too well, but would it be quite difficult to breed pigs with any endurance? Is my dream of Pygmies riding battle-boars, just a dream?

    Replies: @LatW

    Is my dream of Pygmies riding battle-boars, just a dream?

    This sounds truly glorious but I don’t know how one could control these boars (to be able to ride them). They could drop the poor Pygmy and stomp on it or bite it. They can maul one’s hand if they get really angry and feel danger. And they are damn fast – it’s not easy to hunt them as they move very quickly. And they like to live and move around in groups (families).

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @LatW

    I think you could produce a model of that at least, even if it will always elude us irl.



    Something about miniatures...

    Games Workshop used to make some nice plastic boar models for orcs to ride, Wargames Foundry used to make (probably still do) pygmy archer models in 28mm size, possibly the pygmy archers can be converted into boar riders.

    Obviously as enemies I am thinking Eskimos or 1900s Tibetans (for ex. made by Copplestone Castings) would be best.

    I liked Songbird's idea, reminded me I used to spend time thinking about things like this.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  473. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Your fondness for numbers and accuracy are a hallmark of your writing style. Undoubtedly you've assembled your own estimates of these casualties. I, for one, would be curious to hear what you've come up with?

    Replies: @AP

    I have no idea and neither side is interested in providing correct numbers, for obvious reasons. But only a moron would believe that Ukraine has lost 200,000 or more dead or that Russia has only lost 50,000 dead.

    Verifiable facts that serve as clues (such as numbers of people buried in cemeteries in certain cities) suggest anywhere from 80,000 to 120,000 killed on the Ukrainian side. The Russian side might have the same or up to 50% higher. Though the Russians are getting killed at a much higher rate currently, so they have probably surpassed he Ukrainians. But we have no way of knowing accurately.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    My WAG is 100K Russian KIA and 300K Ukrainian KIA. :(

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhS_7tVv_XQ

    Replies: @Mikhail, @AP

  474. @LatW
    @songbird


    Is my dream of Pygmies riding battle-boars, just a dream?
     
    This sounds truly glorious but I don't know how one could control these boars (to be able to ride them). They could drop the poor Pygmy and stomp on it or bite it. They can maul one's hand if they get really angry and feel danger. And they are damn fast - it's not easy to hunt them as they move very quickly. And they like to live and move around in groups (families).

    Replies: @Coconuts

    I think you could produce a model of that at least, even if it will always elude us irl.

    [MORE]

    Something about miniatures…

    Games Workshop used to make some nice plastic boar models for orcs to ride, Wargames Foundry used to make (probably still do) pygmy archer models in 28mm size, possibly the pygmy archers can be converted into boar riders.

    Obviously as enemies I am thinking Eskimos or 1900s Tibetans (for ex. made by Copplestone Castings) would be best.

    I liked Songbird’s idea, reminded me I used to spend time thinking about things like this.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Coconuts

    The last time I looked at the Pygmy wikipedia article there were notes on there they had modern cannibalism in their region and Pygmies were the succulent of choice. No telegram videos.

    In today's r/geopolitics there was a riot where somebody asked why the other Arabs don't seem too bent about the Palestinians and people were arguing that Palis are like gypsies in Arab countries.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  475. @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Do you have a library card?
     
    There are manosphere books in public libraries? lol

    It's ok, I'll try to find it myself. I can also reread Nietzsche and Evola (unless there is something new in BAP's book).

    Replies: @Coconuts

    BAP was a Straussian when he was a student, it seems some of the other Straussian academics knew him under his real name. I guess there are some Strauss themes in the book, maybe the thing about the relationship between law and the origins of philosophy, reading texts in an esoteric way etc.

    Emil might be able to say something about it, I am planning to read it at Christmas.

  476. @Coconuts
    @LatW

    I think you could produce a model of that at least, even if it will always elude us irl.



    Something about miniatures...

    Games Workshop used to make some nice plastic boar models for orcs to ride, Wargames Foundry used to make (probably still do) pygmy archer models in 28mm size, possibly the pygmy archers can be converted into boar riders.

    Obviously as enemies I am thinking Eskimos or 1900s Tibetans (for ex. made by Copplestone Castings) would be best.

    I liked Songbird's idea, reminded me I used to spend time thinking about things like this.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    The last time I looked at the Pygmy wikipedia article there were notes on there they had modern cannibalism in their region and Pygmies were the succulent of choice. No telegram videos.

    In today’s r/geopolitics there was a riot where somebody asked why the other Arabs don’t seem too bent about the Palestinians and people were arguing that Palis are like gypsies in Arab countries.

    • LOL: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Bassem Youssef told Piers Morgan that if Egypt and other Arab countries would open their doors to Palestinian refugees, then in ten years these Palestinian refugees and the locals are going to be fighting each other, after which point the West is going to be aggressively criticizing these Arab countries for being violent, brutal, unstable, and uncivilized.

  477. @LatW
    @LatW

    Not to mention that the West, for years, has accepted (with very few exceptions), all the human rights abuses inside of Russia because they always treated Russia as a "special partner" (who can always be forgiven these things). The abuse in Russian prisons, political prisoners (other than the famous liberal ones), ethnocide of Finnic nations - the world doesn't care about those.

    Replies: @Matra

    Charles Haywood (the Worthy House) recently ran the numbers and concluded that the USA has more political prisoners than did East Germany in the 1980s. Do people in the Baltics care about them? Britain probably has even more given how easy it is to violate the country’s so-called hate crimes laws.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Matra

    Well, the thing about the US is that they traditionally do have a lot of various types of extremists, particularly religious fundies. Probably higher per capita than in Europe (since that's where they fled from originally). Simultaneously, they have tried to build a truly multi cultural and multi religious society where everyone has to be respected so having open, outspoken fundies may not be that great in such an environment. So maybe in those circumstances, even with more freedom of speech than in Europe, the US would still have some oppression. I'd say, there is some noticeable oppression of some right wingers (e.g., the suppression of RAM was unjust, imo) but then again some of them might be more dangerous than elsewhere (due to racial frictions and sensitivity).

    What other political prisoners are you talking about? I'd like to hear other names besides Assange. I also felt that the sentences for the Jan 6 participants were quite harsh (even though what happened was also crazy).

    Btw, any British patriots have any thoughts on the Armistice day altercations yesterday in London? It seems like, once again, they chose to arrest only the right wingers.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  478. Douglas Macgregor is now claiming Turkey will send troops to Gaza to fight Israel. If that happens (lol) he’ll look like a genius as no one else on earth believes it will happen. Total clown.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Matra


    Macgregor is now claiming Turkey will send troops to Gaza to fight Israel.
     
    Do you have a source to go with that? Why would Turkey void its NATO Article 5 protection by attacking nuclear armed Israel?

    Pallywood loves misquoting people. And, that seems so bizarre it cannot be true. Was there some complex & improbable chain of "what ifs" leading to that implausible end point?

    PEACE 😇
    , @silviosilver
    @Matra

    Well, that would have actually pretty cool to see, but now that Macgregor has opened his fat mouth, it almost certainly won't happen. Too bad.

  479. @Matra
    @LatW

    Charles Haywood (the Worthy House) recently ran the numbers and concluded that the USA has more political prisoners than did East Germany in the 1980s. Do people in the Baltics care about them? Britain probably has even more given how easy it is to violate the country's so-called hate crimes laws.

    Replies: @LatW

    Well, the thing about the US is that they traditionally do have a lot of various types of extremists, particularly religious fundies. Probably higher per capita than in Europe (since that’s where they fled from originally). Simultaneously, they have tried to build a truly multi cultural and multi religious society where everyone has to be respected so having open, outspoken fundies may not be that great in such an environment. So maybe in those circumstances, even with more freedom of speech than in Europe, the US would still have some oppression. I’d say, there is some noticeable oppression of some right wingers (e.g., the suppression of RAM was unjust, imo) but then again some of them might be more dangerous than elsewhere (due to racial frictions and sensitivity).

    What other political prisoners are you talking about? I’d like to hear other names besides Assange. I also felt that the sentences for the Jan 6 participants were quite harsh (even though what happened was also crazy).

    Btw, any British patriots have any thoughts on the Armistice day altercations yesterday in London? It seems like, once again, they chose to arrest only the right wingers.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    I also felt that the sentences for the Jan 6 participants were quite harsh (even though what happened was also crazy).
     
    I don't know about the individual protesters (though I do suspect that some of them could have potentially been dangerous, with the whole "Hang Mike Pence!" slogan. What would they have done to him had they actually managed to lay their hands upon him?), but at a bare minimum, it makes sense to significantly punish the leadership of January 6 (and the preceding events, such as the fake Trump electors in various swing states, Trump encouraging the Georgia Secretary of State to try finding almost 12,000 additional votes for him, et cetera) to ensure that they won't try doing anything like that again. Had Al Gore tried doing something like that along with his supporters, the Republicans would have been absolutely outraged, I can guarantee you that.
  480. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Didn’t the West largely let Russia’s actions in Ossetia and Crimea slide, though?
     
    Of course, they did, but not only that - they were going to let the whole Ukraine invasion slide, too - only when the Ukrainians fought back and threw the Russians out of Kyiv, did the West start helping for real (don't remember if the sanctions were placed before or after the Kyiv battles).

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ

    IIRC, the Western sanctions on Russia were placed as soon as possible after Russia invaded Ukraine, possibly still back when the West expected Ukraine to eventually lose this war.

  481. @LatW
    @Matra

    Well, the thing about the US is that they traditionally do have a lot of various types of extremists, particularly religious fundies. Probably higher per capita than in Europe (since that's where they fled from originally). Simultaneously, they have tried to build a truly multi cultural and multi religious society where everyone has to be respected so having open, outspoken fundies may not be that great in such an environment. So maybe in those circumstances, even with more freedom of speech than in Europe, the US would still have some oppression. I'd say, there is some noticeable oppression of some right wingers (e.g., the suppression of RAM was unjust, imo) but then again some of them might be more dangerous than elsewhere (due to racial frictions and sensitivity).

    What other political prisoners are you talking about? I'd like to hear other names besides Assange. I also felt that the sentences for the Jan 6 participants were quite harsh (even though what happened was also crazy).

    Btw, any British patriots have any thoughts on the Armistice day altercations yesterday in London? It seems like, once again, they chose to arrest only the right wingers.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    I also felt that the sentences for the Jan 6 participants were quite harsh (even though what happened was also crazy).

    I don’t know about the individual protesters (though I do suspect that some of them could have potentially been dangerous, with the whole “Hang Mike Pence!” slogan. What would they have done to him had they actually managed to lay their hands upon him?), but at a bare minimum, it makes sense to significantly punish the leadership of January 6 (and the preceding events, such as the fake Trump electors in various swing states, Trump encouraging the Georgia Secretary of State to try finding almost 12,000 additional votes for him, et cetera) to ensure that they won’t try doing anything like that again. Had Al Gore tried doing something like that along with his supporters, the Republicans would have been absolutely outraged, I can guarantee you that.

  482. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Coconuts

    The last time I looked at the Pygmy wikipedia article there were notes on there they had modern cannibalism in their region and Pygmies were the succulent of choice. No telegram videos.

    In today's r/geopolitics there was a riot where somebody asked why the other Arabs don't seem too bent about the Palestinians and people were arguing that Palis are like gypsies in Arab countries.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Bassem Youssef told Piers Morgan that if Egypt and other Arab countries would open their doors to Palestinian refugees, then in ten years these Palestinian refugees and the locals are going to be fighting each other, after which point the West is going to be aggressively criticizing these Arab countries for being violent, brutal, unstable, and uncivilized.

  483. @Matra
    Douglas Macgregor is now claiming Turkey will send troops to Gaza to fight Israel. If that happens (lol) he'll look like a genius as no one else on earth believes it will happen. Total clown.

    Replies: @A123, @silviosilver

    Macgregor is now claiming Turkey will send troops to Gaza to fight Israel.

    Do you have a source to go with that? Why would Turkey void its NATO Article 5 protection by attacking nuclear armed Israel?

    Pallywood loves misquoting people. And, that seems so bizarre it cannot be true. Was there some complex & improbable chain of “what ifs” leading to that implausible end point?

    PEACE 😇

  484. @A123
    @Dmitry


    Trump is popular with the Republican nomination voters. But he is less popular with the general voters. So, he is usually less successful in polls against Biden in comparison to the other Republicans.
     
    Try here instead (it is in the screen upper right)

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/

    • Trump is +1.1% over Not-The-President Biden
    • DeSantis is a loser -0.4%
    • Haley is ahead +2.4%

    Polling Margin of Error is generally +/-3%. So if you believe in MoE your argument is shot as there is "no statistical difference". If you ignore MoE you have admit that DeSantis is worse than Trump. Your choice.
    ___

    There is an obvious timing problem with Haley's numbers . Her warmonger performance at the 3rd GOP debate was the November 8th. The most recent poll closed November 2nd (1).

    Losing debates and espousing unpopular positions drives down results. This should show up in the next month as the collection of polls change.

    If it was “stolen” in 2020, it could be “stolen” in 2024.
     
    The level of theft in 2020 was unprecedented, appeared by surprise, and the GOP was unprepared.

    In 2024, The DNC will have much less chance to steal due to MAGA's ground game that has been building up at the local level. Both sides will be Harvesting and Fultoning. Voting is still important as huge margin will defang DNC efforts to steal the election.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general_election_haley_vs_biden-8127.html#polls

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Trump is popular with the Republican primary voters, but a relatively not so popular with the general voters.

    In 2016, because of this he was not able to win the popular vote against Hilary Clinton, who was a very weak presidential candidate selected by Democrats. In 2020, he loses both popular and formal vote to Joe Biden, who is also an unpopular candidate, one of the most low effort politicians.

    In 2024, Biden will be even more unpopular than in 2020, so it would normally be a guarantee of a Republican victory. But Republicans would elect also relatively not supported by the general votes Trump, so Biden still has a possibility to survive and it could depend on the economic situation next year.

    For the cognitive reserve of the candidates. Biden seems to have very little energy and a low level of short-term memory. He probably outsourcing most of the decisions to some advisors. Trump has a lot more energy and memory compared to Biden, but he is often looking in kind of loop repeating the same narrow themes around himself.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Dmitry


    Trump is popular with the Republican primary voters, but a relatively not so popular with the general voters.
     
    Every party candidate is more popular with their party's primary voters than with general voters. Score = True, but irrelevant

    In 2016, because of this he was not able to win the popular vote against Hilary
     
    The U.S. system runs on Electoral College votes, not the popular vote. Again, Score = True, but irrelevant

    This must seem very strange to foreigners whose lived experience is with coalition/PM systems. The Electoral College is unusual even for democracies. The critical measures are swing states. In those, Trump is showing massive strength will moderate & swing voters.


    Republicans would elect also relatively not supported by the general votes Trump, so Biden still has a possibility to survive
     
    Turnout, driven by "base voter" activation, is crucial. Trump is a powerhouse for turning out the base.

    How did soft base support work out for Romney and McCain who were theoretically more compatible with "general voters"? I think you will agree they lost.

    Now project those "general voter" and "base voters" observed behaviours. Do you see the "base voter" problem with establishment shill DeSantis or warmonger Haley? Deactivating the base yields a near 100% chance of failure.


    it could depend on the economic situation next year.
     
    It is not going to be better. Not-The-President Biden's Inflation Reduction Act is harming economic activity with unworkable green energy boondoggles.
    _____

    The DNC has huge "base voter" weaknesses. For example, open borders and sanctuary cities.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hSyTo9RiyAg

    And, they are stuck with Biden. If he had stepped aside months ago, an open & competitive DNC primary might have been able to move Not-The-VP Harris aside. Now, it is too late.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Greasy William, @John Johnson

  485. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Didn't the West largely let Russia's actions in Ossetia and Crimea slide, though?

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikhail

    Didn’t the West largely let Russia’s actions in Ossetia and Crimea slide, though?

    None of their business. No more 1990s.

  486. @JL
    @LondonBob

    If Israel's economy is buckling, why is the currency so strong? It went through a bout of volatility, but is now back to almost where it was when the conflict broke out.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @A123, @Dmitry

    Israel’s GDP usually recover soon after the war ends. Probably Israel’s GDP will go to the short-term recession, recover after the war ends.

    If the war continues for a year, it would be like coronavirus lockdowns there in 2020. GDP falls 2% in 2020, increase 8,6% in 2021, 6,5% in 2022. Coronavirus lockdowns are similar to the removal of the reservists from the labor market, coronavirus also reduced the global demand for exports which war doesn’t.

    But perhaps long-term result of October 7th could be a lot more serious and negative for Israel, including in terms of the economic future and the human resources.

    Citizens were not protected by the government rapidly on October 7th, but also Israel’s response in the last month seems weaker than expected. Israel perhaps has lost most of its deterrence in relation to the Arab world. So, Israel’s limited ability to respond to attacks, would lose military deterrence and also lose the trust of normal citizens to build life there.

    This is less problem for the religious cults, but normal people who are necessary for building future industries, the long-term economic growth, expect a developed country lifestyle, not to have to Jihadists invited to the psytrance rave. People want to live in Europe, not living with an ISIS camp.

    19th century Utah with the Blackhawk wars, can be attractive for the Mormon sex cult trying to escape the authorities, but normal people don’t usually want to be victim of frontier attack and kidnap, frontier Utah would not be a place for Nvidia or Intel.

    So, now Israel’s situation with loss of trust and loss of deterrence, can be less attractive for normal people, likely acceleration of brain-drain, in the same time the competitiveness of its most successful industries depend on that preserving kind of workers.

  487. @A123
    @Greasy William

    Where are you getting your information? Odds are you have stumbled on a low quality resource that is incorrectly conflating "Israel's North" (a.k.a. Hezbollah) and "Gaza's North". Citations would be helpful.

    Israel is is using air strikes against Iranian Hezbollah sites. However, there is nothing indicating the security cabinet is foolish enough to want a two front war. Netanyahu would be courageous enough to refuse such a folly if it was presented to him.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Dmitry

    You’re talking to Greasy William. I wouldn’t expect he knows what is “Israeli media reporting”. It will be likely be received from his imagination, which is why doesn’t post a resource to support the claim.

  488. @Matra
    Douglas Macgregor is now claiming Turkey will send troops to Gaza to fight Israel. If that happens (lol) he'll look like a genius as no one else on earth believes it will happen. Total clown.

    Replies: @A123, @silviosilver

    Well, that would have actually pretty cool to see, but now that Macgregor has opened his fat mouth, it almost certainly won’t happen. Too bad.

  489. @Dmitry
    @A123

    Trump is popular with the Republican primary voters, but a relatively not so popular with the general voters.

    In 2016, because of this he was not able to win the popular vote against Hilary Clinton, who was a very weak presidential candidate selected by Democrats. In 2020, he loses both popular and formal vote to Joe Biden, who is also an unpopular candidate, one of the most low effort politicians.

    In 2024, Biden will be even more unpopular than in 2020, so it would normally be a guarantee of a Republican victory. But Republicans would elect also relatively not supported by the general votes Trump, so Biden still has a possibility to survive and it could depend on the economic situation next year.

    For the cognitive reserve of the candidates. Biden seems to have very little energy and a low level of short-term memory. He probably outsourcing most of the decisions to some advisors. Trump has a lot more energy and memory compared to Biden, but he is often looking in kind of loop repeating the same narrow themes around himself.

    Replies: @A123

    Trump is popular with the Republican primary voters, but a relatively not so popular with the general voters.

    Every party candidate is more popular with their party’s primary voters than with general voters. Score = True, but irrelevant

    In 2016, because of this he was not able to win the popular vote against Hilary

    The U.S. system runs on Electoral College votes, not the popular vote. Again, Score = True, but irrelevant

    This must seem very strange to foreigners whose lived experience is with coalition/PM systems. The Electoral College is unusual even for democracies. The critical measures are swing states. In those, Trump is showing massive strength will moderate & swing voters.

    Republicans would elect also relatively not supported by the general votes Trump, so Biden still has a possibility to survive

    Turnout, driven by “base voter” activation, is crucial. Trump is a powerhouse for turning out the base.

    How did soft base support work out for Romney and McCain who were theoretically more compatible with “general voters”? I think you will agree they lost.

    Now project those “general voter” and “base voters” observed behaviours. Do you see the “base voter” problem with establishment shill DeSantis or warmonger Haley? Deactivating the base yields a near 100% chance of failure.

    it could depend on the economic situation next year.

    It is not going to be better. Not-The-President Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act is harming economic activity with unworkable green energy boondoggles.
    _____

    The DNC has huge “base voter” weaknesses. For example, open borders and sanctuary cities.

    And, they are stuck with Biden. If he had stepped aside months ago, an open & competitive DNC primary might have been able to move Not-The-VP Harris aside. Now, it is too late.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @A123

    The Israel stuff is also devastating to Biden. There is no chance that the Muslims in Michigan are going to turn out for Joe after the way he has backed the Gaza op, and the way he will also back a war against Lebanon if/when that comes. Even if the wars all resolve before next summer, the Muslims are never going to forgive Joe and neither will many young Progressives. There are murmurs that blacks and Latinos in America are becoming increasingly antisemitic as well and many may decide not to vote for Biden, even if the Israel stuff isn't a huge deal to them.

    2024 is going to be a massacre. I could seriously see Trump winning by double digits

    Replies: @A123

    , @John Johnson
    @A123

    And, they are stuck with Biden.

    Why are they stuck with Biden? It's an open primary.

    Polls are showing that Democrat voters are concerned about his age.

    We don't know if Biden actually plans on running again. His word doesn't mean anything. He might be waiting to see if there are any serious challengers.

    I think odds are that we will have a new candidate. His best move will be to retire.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. XYZ

  490. @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    • End U.S. funding for Kiev aggression
     
    I keep reminding you that it's Ukraine that's defending itself in this war, not Russia. Because you can't seem to understand something so elementary, I can't really expect you to remember that under his watch, Trump also funded Ukraine, at least 250 million. You know that Reagan would have supported Ukraine in its current plight against the "evil empire", now you don't think that Trump (like you) wants to appear as an appeasing, soft wristed deviant, do you?

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ukraine-idUSKCN1VX213

    Replies: @Sean, @QCIC

    Mr. Hack, in wars, what you describe is the essence of being a pawn. The pawn thinks he is doing something for his own reasons. Because he has allowed himself to be tricked he actually plays a pivotal role in a more consequential process which he doesn’t immediately recognize.

    Ukraine was conned into unnecessarily “defending itself” against Russia since the West wanted to pressure Russia militarily, culturally and economically. Because of the close ties and direct proximity of the two countries, Ukraine is the best pressure the West can find outside of nuclear war.

    Please tell me you understand this argument in a general sense, even if you disagree on the weighting of various facts?

    If the pawn clearly recognized how the West was inducing Ukraine to pressure Russia, he would have said “Hell no! Are you trying to get me killed! Are you trying to get us all killed?”

    Of course there are simple wars of one country defending itself against another. I don’t think that usually happens when you have giant nuclear-armed empires around.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @QCIC


    Ukraine was conned into unnecessarily “defending itself” against Russia
     
    There are simple things such as a country's constitution and basic legislation which actually demand that the country (any country, not just Ukraine) be defended - it is the duty of the citizens. Especially when the enemy is already present on the country's territory with the goal to murder its citizens.

    This is why Ukraine cannot give up territory either because it is against the Constitution (or possibly even the criminal code).

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    , @AP
    @QCIC

    You are a pawn of the pro-Russian writers who laugh at your gullibility. Except for "Mikhail." He is dumb enough to believe it, though he has an excuse.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  491. @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    I have no idea and neither side is interested in providing correct numbers, for obvious reasons. But only a moron would believe that Ukraine has lost 200,000 or more dead or that Russia has only lost 50,000 dead.

    Verifiable facts that serve as clues (such as numbers of people buried in cemeteries in certain cities) suggest anywhere from 80,000 to 120,000 killed on the Ukrainian side. The Russian side might have the same or up to 50% higher. Though the Russians are getting killed at a much higher rate currently, so they have probably surpassed he Ukrainians. But we have no way of knowing accurately.

    Replies: @QCIC

    My WAG is 100K Russian KIA and 300K Ukrainian KIA. 🙁

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @QCIC

    Referencing an anti-Russian government Western based source, Berletic (in his most recent video I posted) puts the Russian KIA at just under 36,000. Kiev regime's is probably in the 300,000 or more range.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @AP
    @QCIC

    300,000 KIA means an additional ~700,000 wounded which would be around a million casualties.

    And somehow no one in Ukraine noticed a holocaust of such scale. Ukraine has barely lost territory in 2023, it's economy is growing (the workers who haven't left the country aren't dead in some field).

    Like believing Scott Ritter, belief in such figures is a good indicator of someone being very stupid and gullible.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  492. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Mr. Hack, in wars, what you describe is the essence of being a pawn. The pawn thinks he is doing something for his own reasons. Because he has allowed himself to be tricked he actually plays a pivotal role in a more consequential process which he doesn't immediately recognize.

    Ukraine was conned into unnecessarily "defending itself" against Russia since the West wanted to pressure Russia militarily, culturally and economically. Because of the close ties and direct proximity of the two countries, Ukraine is the best pressure the West can find outside of nuclear war.

    Please tell me you understand this argument in a general sense, even if you disagree on the weighting of various facts?

    If the pawn clearly recognized how the West was inducing Ukraine to pressure Russia, he would have said "Hell no! Are you trying to get me killed! Are you trying to get us all killed?"

    Of course there are simple wars of one country defending itself against another. I don't think that usually happens when you have giant nuclear-armed empires around.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

    Ukraine was conned into unnecessarily “defending itself” against Russia

    There are simple things such as a country’s constitution and basic legislation which actually demand that the country (any country, not just Ukraine) be defended – it is the duty of the citizens. Especially when the enemy is already present on the country’s territory with the goal to murder its citizens.

    This is why Ukraine cannot give up territory either because it is against the Constitution (or possibly even the criminal code).

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @LatW


    There are simple things such as a country’s constitution and basic legislation which actually demand that the country (any country, not just Ukraine) be defended – it is the duty of the citizens. Especially when the enemy is already present on the country’s territory with the goal to murder its citizens.

    This is why Ukraine cannot give up territory either because it is against the Constitution (or possibly even the criminal code).
     
    But it's okay for them to do things like not honor an internationally brokered UN recognized agreement it signed, along with persecuting a long standing church, while honoring the likes of Bandera.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    , @Mr. Hack
    @LatW

    QCIC's disingenuous attempts to portray Ukraine as some sort of a "pawn"of the West's is just plain nonsense. He just doesn't want to acknowledge the truth, that Ukraine no longer wants to be a Russian satellite, or worse yet, as recent documents reveal about Byelorus' future fate, to be just absorbed into a new Russian empire.

    https://i.imgur.com/eahHAhOg.jpg

    Replies: @Mikhail, @LatW

  493. @QCIC
    @AP

    My WAG is 100K Russian KIA and 300K Ukrainian KIA. :(

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhS_7tVv_XQ

    Replies: @Mikhail, @AP

    Referencing an anti-Russian government Western based source, Berletic (in his most recent video I posted) puts the Russian KIA at just under 36,000. Kiev regime’s is probably in the 300,000 or more range.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mikhail

    At the beginning the Russian casualty figures seemed obviously low. I think they were counting regular army deaths only and not everyone fighting on the Russian side. I was referring to the total of Donbas militia, Russian army, national guard and Wagner. I cannot vet the number it is just a WAG. I think Karlin's counting of the names of recently deceased on a war monument was a good data point, though I think his scaling may have been ambitious. It is a big number for sure, just like Ukraine.

    It is a catastrophe.

  494. @A123
    @Dmitry


    Trump is popular with the Republican primary voters, but a relatively not so popular with the general voters.
     
    Every party candidate is more popular with their party's primary voters than with general voters. Score = True, but irrelevant

    In 2016, because of this he was not able to win the popular vote against Hilary
     
    The U.S. system runs on Electoral College votes, not the popular vote. Again, Score = True, but irrelevant

    This must seem very strange to foreigners whose lived experience is with coalition/PM systems. The Electoral College is unusual even for democracies. The critical measures are swing states. In those, Trump is showing massive strength will moderate & swing voters.


    Republicans would elect also relatively not supported by the general votes Trump, so Biden still has a possibility to survive
     
    Turnout, driven by "base voter" activation, is crucial. Trump is a powerhouse for turning out the base.

    How did soft base support work out for Romney and McCain who were theoretically more compatible with "general voters"? I think you will agree they lost.

    Now project those "general voter" and "base voters" observed behaviours. Do you see the "base voter" problem with establishment shill DeSantis or warmonger Haley? Deactivating the base yields a near 100% chance of failure.


    it could depend on the economic situation next year.
     
    It is not going to be better. Not-The-President Biden's Inflation Reduction Act is harming economic activity with unworkable green energy boondoggles.
    _____

    The DNC has huge "base voter" weaknesses. For example, open borders and sanctuary cities.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hSyTo9RiyAg

    And, they are stuck with Biden. If he had stepped aside months ago, an open & competitive DNC primary might have been able to move Not-The-VP Harris aside. Now, it is too late.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Greasy William, @John Johnson

    The Israel stuff is also devastating to Biden. There is no chance that the Muslims in Michigan are going to turn out for Joe after the way he has backed the Gaza op, and the way he will also back a war against Lebanon if/when that comes. Even if the wars all resolve before next summer, the Muslims are never going to forgive Joe and neither will many young Progressives. There are murmurs that blacks and Latinos in America are becoming increasingly antisemitic as well and many may decide not to vote for Biden, even if the Israel stuff isn’t a huge deal to them.

    2024 is going to be a massacre. I could seriously see Trump winning by double digits

    • Replies: @A123
    @Greasy William


    The Israel stuff is also devastating to Biden. There is no chance that the Muslims in Michigan are going to turn out for Joe after the way he has backed the Gaza op,
     
    In an amazing feat, Not-The-President Biden has also come out as an anti-semite opposing the Gaza op by demanding multi-day "humanitarian" cease fires.

    There is no chance that Jews will turn out for Biden. Life long Dems are switching parties. Here is an Alan Dershowitz highlight from a prior OT, follow the link for the full article: (1)



    The silence of some Democrats, President Biden's administration and America's foremost liberal institutions in response to an eruption of left-wing anti-Zionism and Jew hatred is gut-wrenching.

    It is nothing short of betrayal and Americans Jews must not move forward without a reckoning.
     


     
    Extreme SJW🏳️‍🌈Muslim symbolism is present in America. Look at this display outside Rashida Tlaib's office.

     
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh548Ht9ESBUm_bDa0uTQBqq8QmAwIT2-9mC-F0pR3U3WKPqeYfyr-eufI3oTZxloQdfR9me-icXenvlHvTEP8dgScABCEjJbdykdg4AkyApbywJf3GGAvfB_WGJm-3FwhvHgdzjCkjF93BrxPUc5WX-dQ7_FcEP1DTFA82Oe_GY0LsPSXQQckFU-8EE64/s497/1%20sdasfdsfd.jpg
     

    The Democrat party is a bundle of massive contradictions held together by obedience, passion, and dogma. The zealotry becomes more shrill each year. This type of craziness pushes people out. Look how many "feminists" are leaving the Dems because they want their daughters' sports teams to be male free.

    MAGA converting the GOP to the party of workers made the DNC the party of MegaCorporations. Openly espousing migration as a threat to employment is on its face good policy. It also creates more rifts in the Democrat party.
    ___

    Hopefully it will be a blowout so we do not spend more time fighting DNC election fraud. The GOP looks good to take the Senate, including enough MAGA seats to considerably weaken the RINO's.

    Everyone serious grasps that Trump's 1st term was in part sabotaged by Mitch McConnell forcing his people into the administration. Most notably his wife Elaine Chao and warmonger John Bolton. Sadly, low-IQ yahoo #NeverTrump fools cannot grasp this simple fact.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-233/#comment-6247260

    Replies: @Greasy William

  495. @LatW
    @QCIC


    Ukraine was conned into unnecessarily “defending itself” against Russia
     
    There are simple things such as a country's constitution and basic legislation which actually demand that the country (any country, not just Ukraine) be defended - it is the duty of the citizens. Especially when the enemy is already present on the country's territory with the goal to murder its citizens.

    This is why Ukraine cannot give up territory either because it is against the Constitution (or possibly even the criminal code).

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    There are simple things such as a country’s constitution and basic legislation which actually demand that the country (any country, not just Ukraine) be defended – it is the duty of the citizens. Especially when the enemy is already present on the country’s territory with the goal to murder its citizens.

    This is why Ukraine cannot give up territory either because it is against the Constitution (or possibly even the criminal code).

    But it’s okay for them to do things like not honor an internationally brokered UN recognized agreement it signed, along with persecuting a long standing church, while honoring the likes of Bandera.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Mikhail

    Didn't they also write the aspiration to join NATO into their constitution before the SMO? Of course, the idea that Russia might see this as a causus belli was airily dismissed...

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail

  496. @LatW
    @QCIC


    Ukraine was conned into unnecessarily “defending itself” against Russia
     
    There are simple things such as a country's constitution and basic legislation which actually demand that the country (any country, not just Ukraine) be defended - it is the duty of the citizens. Especially when the enemy is already present on the country's territory with the goal to murder its citizens.

    This is why Ukraine cannot give up territory either because it is against the Constitution (or possibly even the criminal code).

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    QCIC’s disingenuous attempts to portray Ukraine as some sort of a “pawn”of the West’s is just plain nonsense. He just doesn’t want to acknowledge the truth, that Ukraine no longer wants to be a Russian satellite, or worse yet, as recent documents reveal about Byelorus’ future fate, to be just absorbed into a new Russian empire.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Keep repeating that nonsense.

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/22102023-answering-biden-on-russia-ukraine-and-israel-palestine-oped/

    Excerpt -


    Armed conflicts led to the post-WW II breakup of Yugoslavia, the creation of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh (among other countries) in their present form. The world at large accepts the idea of a two-state solution regarding Israelis and Palestinians. Likewise, the Russia-Kiev regime dispute reveals the viable option for territorial change and a changed security arrangement concerning Russia and the collective West.

    The territory encompassing the former Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic brought together people with different historical, cultural, religious and linguistic preferences. In order for this dynamic to properly function as an independent state, a fine balance is required.

    Russia and the pro-Russian element in Ukraine’s Soviet drawn boundary accepted an independent Ukraine within its Communist drawn boundary, as long as it at least remained neutral and on good terms with Russia, in conjunction with respecting the pro-Russian sentiment in that former Soviet republic. When anti-Russian elements in Ukraine gained control via coup like circumstances in 2014, the pro-Russian side rebelled with the support and sympathy of the Russophile community elsewhere.

    Within its Communist drawn boundary, post-Soviet Ukraine had a lengthy period of time to develop into a nation which respected those having a pro-Russian orientation. Numerous instances reveal that the reverse occurred after 2014, with some disturbing trends evident beforehand.

    NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg acknowledged that the war in the former Ukrainian SSR began years before the start of Russia’s February 24, 2022 Special Military Operation – something that Donbass residents are especially aware of. Stoltenberg added that the Kiev regime was receiving arms and training from some NATO countries for several years prior to 2022.

    Biden’s insistence on continuing a failed proxy war against Russia prolongs an agony which has been especially hurtful to Ukraine and the economy of Western nations. In comparison, the Russian economy has prevailed with Putin standing a good chance to hold high office after Joe Biden, Justin Trudeau, Olaf Scholz, Emanuel Macron, Rishi Sunak and Volodymyr Zelensky have been replaced.

    Recall the efforts to remove Bashar Assad, Alexander Lukashenko and Nicholas Maduro. Of that grouping, Putin appears to be in a much stronger position.

    Biden’s foreign policy adventurism takes away from substantively dealing with pressing socioeconomic issues in the US. Throughout America, elected officials stress the need for more funding to improve the well-being of a population facing greater challenges.
     

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @LatW
    @Mr. Hack

    He just acts like the Ukrainians have no agency of any kind and that the Ukrainians do not have any ability to decide their own destiny and do not deserve freedom. It is so condescending and truly disgusting. I'm really tired of this. We've been talking about Ukraine's history here in great detail for months, yet these people simply don't want to accept these things. I've given up on them and no longer care what they think. What ticks me off the most is that these people will never see any real hardship in their life, much less war (or the borders of their state being compromise or their property simply stolen). And yet they feel compelled to lecture. No knowledge of language either, and so stuck up.

    In the meanwhile, the Ukrainians have inflicted some serious damage on the Russian fleet.

  497. @Mr. Hack
    @LatW

    QCIC's disingenuous attempts to portray Ukraine as some sort of a "pawn"of the West's is just plain nonsense. He just doesn't want to acknowledge the truth, that Ukraine no longer wants to be a Russian satellite, or worse yet, as recent documents reveal about Byelorus' future fate, to be just absorbed into a new Russian empire.

    https://i.imgur.com/eahHAhOg.jpg

    Replies: @Mikhail, @LatW

    Keep repeating that nonsense.

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/22102023-answering-biden-on-russia-ukraine-and-israel-palestine-oped/

    Excerpt –

    Armed conflicts led to the post-WW II breakup of Yugoslavia, the creation of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh (among other countries) in their present form. The world at large accepts the idea of a two-state solution regarding Israelis and Palestinians. Likewise, the Russia-Kiev regime dispute reveals the viable option for territorial change and a changed security arrangement concerning Russia and the collective West.

    The territory encompassing the former Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic brought together people with different historical, cultural, religious and linguistic preferences. In order for this dynamic to properly function as an independent state, a fine balance is required.

    Russia and the pro-Russian element in Ukraine’s Soviet drawn boundary accepted an independent Ukraine within its Communist drawn boundary, as long as it at least remained neutral and on good terms with Russia, in conjunction with respecting the pro-Russian sentiment in that former Soviet republic. When anti-Russian elements in Ukraine gained control via coup like circumstances in 2014, the pro-Russian side rebelled with the support and sympathy of the Russophile community elsewhere.

    Within its Communist drawn boundary, post-Soviet Ukraine had a lengthy period of time to develop into a nation which respected those having a pro-Russian orientation. Numerous instances reveal that the reverse occurred after 2014, with some disturbing trends evident beforehand.

    NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg acknowledged that the war in the former Ukrainian SSR began years before the start of Russia’s February 24, 2022 Special Military Operation – something that Donbass residents are especially aware of. Stoltenberg added that the Kiev regime was receiving arms and training from some NATO countries for several years prior to 2022.

    Biden’s insistence on continuing a failed proxy war against Russia prolongs an agony which has been especially hurtful to Ukraine and the economy of Western nations. In comparison, the Russian economy has prevailed with Putin standing a good chance to hold high office after Joe Biden, Justin Trudeau, Olaf Scholz, Emanuel Macron, Rishi Sunak and Volodymyr Zelensky have been replaced.

    Recall the efforts to remove Bashar Assad, Alexander Lukashenko and Nicholas Maduro. Of that grouping, Putin appears to be in a much stronger position.

    Biden’s foreign policy adventurism takes away from substantively dealing with pressing socioeconomic issues in the US. Throughout America, elected officials stress the need for more funding to improve the well-being of a population facing greater challenges.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    There's absolutely nothing in your quotation that counters the major point within my comment, that "Ukraine no longer wants to be a Russian satellite, or worse yet, as recent documents reveal about Belarus’ future fate, to be just absorbed into a new Russian empire."

    Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail, @AP

  498. @Mr. Hack
    @LatW

    QCIC's disingenuous attempts to portray Ukraine as some sort of a "pawn"of the West's is just plain nonsense. He just doesn't want to acknowledge the truth, that Ukraine no longer wants to be a Russian satellite, or worse yet, as recent documents reveal about Byelorus' future fate, to be just absorbed into a new Russian empire.

    https://i.imgur.com/eahHAhOg.jpg

    Replies: @Mikhail, @LatW

    He just acts like the Ukrainians have no agency of any kind and that the Ukrainians do not have any ability to decide their own destiny and do not deserve freedom. It is so condescending and truly disgusting. I’m really tired of this. We’ve been talking about Ukraine’s history here in great detail for months, yet these people simply don’t want to accept these things. I’ve given up on them and no longer care what they think. What ticks me off the most is that these people will never see any real hardship in their life, much less war (or the borders of their state being compromise or their property simply stolen). And yet they feel compelled to lecture. No knowledge of language either, and so stuck up.

    In the meanwhile, the Ukrainians have inflicted some serious damage on the Russian fleet.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  499. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Not necessarily related, but was thinking recently that actors used to be a lot more aristocratic-looking and sounding. (At least a subset, and not just English)

    I don't know if I am just imagining it or not, but I wonder if one of the last holdouts was weirdly horror. Guys like Christopher Lee, Peter Cushing, and Vincent Price. They were all tall and had an imposing presence, and refined speech.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    You’re probably right. I recently watched a good flick including Peter Cushing, “The Revenge of Frankenstein”, where he played the role of a scion of an old aristocratic family with a presence all over Europe. All three very often played the roles of upper-crust doctors or professors, all very “aristocratic”. Was there ever a more dedicated film company than Hammer that specialized in gothic horror?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    Was there ever a more dedicated film company than Hammer that specialized in gothic horror?

     

    I should like to think that there are Chinese companies that specialize in WW2 propaganda about the Japanese, but am unsure if that is really the case.

    BTW, the last horror film I saw was House of the Long Shadows (1983).
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_the_Long_Shadows

    Remarkable for having Cushing, Price, Lee, and Carradine all in the same movie. But only rated 6.2 on IMDB, which I think is fair, as, though I liked certain parts of the plot and the tone, I don't think the continuity was good.

    It reminded me very much of another movie I once saw. The Old Dark House (1932). Though different in plot, I thought one must be the ripoff of the other, but strangely they are based on two different novels. Maybe, one novel was the ripoff of the other.
  500. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Keep repeating that nonsense.

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/22102023-answering-biden-on-russia-ukraine-and-israel-palestine-oped/

    Excerpt -


    Armed conflicts led to the post-WW II breakup of Yugoslavia, the creation of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh (among other countries) in their present form. The world at large accepts the idea of a two-state solution regarding Israelis and Palestinians. Likewise, the Russia-Kiev regime dispute reveals the viable option for territorial change and a changed security arrangement concerning Russia and the collective West.

    The territory encompassing the former Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic brought together people with different historical, cultural, religious and linguistic preferences. In order for this dynamic to properly function as an independent state, a fine balance is required.

    Russia and the pro-Russian element in Ukraine’s Soviet drawn boundary accepted an independent Ukraine within its Communist drawn boundary, as long as it at least remained neutral and on good terms with Russia, in conjunction with respecting the pro-Russian sentiment in that former Soviet republic. When anti-Russian elements in Ukraine gained control via coup like circumstances in 2014, the pro-Russian side rebelled with the support and sympathy of the Russophile community elsewhere.

    Within its Communist drawn boundary, post-Soviet Ukraine had a lengthy period of time to develop into a nation which respected those having a pro-Russian orientation. Numerous instances reveal that the reverse occurred after 2014, with some disturbing trends evident beforehand.

    NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg acknowledged that the war in the former Ukrainian SSR began years before the start of Russia’s February 24, 2022 Special Military Operation – something that Donbass residents are especially aware of. Stoltenberg added that the Kiev regime was receiving arms and training from some NATO countries for several years prior to 2022.

    Biden’s insistence on continuing a failed proxy war against Russia prolongs an agony which has been especially hurtful to Ukraine and the economy of Western nations. In comparison, the Russian economy has prevailed with Putin standing a good chance to hold high office after Joe Biden, Justin Trudeau, Olaf Scholz, Emanuel Macron, Rishi Sunak and Volodymyr Zelensky have been replaced.

    Recall the efforts to remove Bashar Assad, Alexander Lukashenko and Nicholas Maduro. Of that grouping, Putin appears to be in a much stronger position.

    Biden’s foreign policy adventurism takes away from substantively dealing with pressing socioeconomic issues in the US. Throughout America, elected officials stress the need for more funding to improve the well-being of a population facing greater challenges.
     

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    There’s absolutely nothing in your quotation that counters the major point within my comment, that “Ukraine no longer wants to be a Russian satellite, or worse yet, as recent documents reveal about Belarus’ future fate, to be just absorbed into a new Russian empire.”

    Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ...Ukraine no longer wants to be a Russian satellite
     
    You intentionally missed the main point of the quote: there is no single Ukraine. The country was put together over decades by merging different regions that had some Ukrainness.

    Kiev should have allowed one or two generations of peace, native languages in offices-schools - Russian language was spoken by half of the population and dominated in most major cities - neutrality and good relations with both EU and Russia. That was slowly creating a more unified Ukraine.

    But they didn't: Ukie nationalists after seizing power on Maidan told half of the people to submit and change their identity and history, or leave for Russia - an idiotic idea if there ever was one. They bombed Donbas for resisting. It was a mad over-reach that effectively destroyed Ukraine. With the bloody full-scale war there is no way to put it back together.

    Don't just repeat your mantra about "Ukies good and the sub-human Asiatic Russians can go to hell!" Ukraine is not strong enough to win and it is rather ugly and immoral. But you won't, you are bitter that the maximalist Ukie diaspora dreams are losing. It makes you feel temporarily better, but it will change nothing on the eventual outcome. This was a complete f..up, badly thought out and impulsive.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    There’s absolutely nothing in your quotation that counters the major point within my comment, that “Ukraine no longer wants to be a Russian satellite, or worse yet, as recent documents reveal about Belarus’ future fate, to be just absorbed into a new Russian empire.”

    Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

     

    You're confusing your "major point" with how many on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR feel. Post-Soviet Russia isn't the USSR or Russian Empire and was quite willing to accept a neutral Ukraine within its Communist drawn boundaries. The svidos and neocons abroad think otherwise.

    Such is your basic comprehension problem.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    There’s absolutely nothing in your quotation that counters the major point within my comment, that “Ukraine no longer wants to be a Russian satellite, or worse yet, as recent documents reveal about Belarus’ future fate, to be just absorbed into a new Russian empire.

    Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
     
    Mikhail was too dumb to understand what you had written. The best he could do was respond with his 90 IQ take, which no one probably read, about something that was only vaguely related.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  501. @QCIC
    @AP

    My WAG is 100K Russian KIA and 300K Ukrainian KIA. :(

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhS_7tVv_XQ

    Replies: @Mikhail, @AP

    300,000 KIA means an additional ~700,000 wounded which would be around a million casualties.

    And somehow no one in Ukraine noticed a holocaust of such scale. Ukraine has barely lost territory in 2023, it’s economy is growing (the workers who haven’t left the country aren’t dead in some field).

    Like believing Scott Ritter, belief in such figures is a good indicator of someone being very stupid and gullible.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP

    The recent Time article on Zelensky and Economist piece regarding Zaluzhny reveal the otherwise obvious. The Kiev regime has incurred quite significant armed combatant casualty figures, thereby explaining the numerous videos of press gangs trying to round up recruits and recent efforts to get women to play a more active fighting role.

    In comparison, Russia hasn't had to resort to that extreme level.

    Replies: @AP

  502. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Mr. Hack, in wars, what you describe is the essence of being a pawn. The pawn thinks he is doing something for his own reasons. Because he has allowed himself to be tricked he actually plays a pivotal role in a more consequential process which he doesn't immediately recognize.

    Ukraine was conned into unnecessarily "defending itself" against Russia since the West wanted to pressure Russia militarily, culturally and economically. Because of the close ties and direct proximity of the two countries, Ukraine is the best pressure the West can find outside of nuclear war.

    Please tell me you understand this argument in a general sense, even if you disagree on the weighting of various facts?

    If the pawn clearly recognized how the West was inducing Ukraine to pressure Russia, he would have said "Hell no! Are you trying to get me killed! Are you trying to get us all killed?"

    Of course there are simple wars of one country defending itself against another. I don't think that usually happens when you have giant nuclear-armed empires around.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

    You are a pawn of the pro-Russian writers who laugh at your gullibility. Except for “Mikhail.” He is dumb enough to believe it, though he has an excuse.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP

    Pure projection on your part svido. Hitler cracked up upon the otherwise obvious that his side was going down. There's hope as not everyone in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine is as obtuse as yourself.

  503. @German_reader
    @Barbarossa


    Grave of the Fireflies
     
    I've heard of it. Don't think I'm going to watch it though, doesn't sound very cheerful.

    Haven't read anything specifically about the American bombing campaign against Japan. I did read John Dower's War without mercy about the Pacific war more generally. Found it annoying in parts with its somewhat preachy antiracism tbh, but it contains a lot of interesting information (also about the Japanese and how they perceived the war and subject peoples in their conquered territories).
    Regarding the air war in Europe I liked Richard Overy's The bombing war, which deals with pretty much everything one could ask for (even subjects that are usually neglected, like German bombing in the Soviet Union or the impact of the air war on Italy). Haven't seen anything more profound since, most of the opinions one reads on the subject aren't very interesting anyway, either justifying bombing as collective punishment or condemning it as war crimes...if you've seen one argument of either type, you've seen them all.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    I did read John Dower’s War without mercy about the Pacific war more generally. Found it annoying in parts with its somewhat preachy antiracism tbh, but it contains a lot of interesting information (also about the Japanese and how they perceived the war and subject peoples in their conquered territories).

    Bryan Mark Rigg’s new book “Japan’s holocaust” will undoubtedly be one of the most important history books this year.

    Here’s how the author himself introduces the book (Rigg is undoubtedly one of the most highly regarded authors today on World War II ):

    “Japan’s Holocaust combines research conducted in over eighteen research facilities in five nations to explore Imperial Japan’s atrocities from 1927 to 1945 during its military expansions and reckless campaigns throughout Asia and the Pacific. This book brings together the most recent scholarship and new primary research to ascertain that Japan claimed a minimum of thirty million lives, slaughtering far more than Hitler. Japan’s Holocaust shows that Emperor Hirohito not only knew about the atrocities his legions committed, but actually ordered them. He did nothing to stop them when they exceeded even the most depraved person’s imagination, as illustrated during the Rape of Nanking as well as many other events. Japan’s Holocaust will document in painful detail that the Rape of Nanking was not an isolated event during the Asian War but rather representative of how Japan behaved for all its campaigns throughout Asia and the Pacific from 1927 to 1945.

    Mass murder, rape, and economic exploitation was Japan’s modus operandi during this time period, and whereas Hitler’s SS Death’s Head outfits attempted to hide their atrocities, Hirohito’s legions committed their atrocities out in the open with fanfare and enthusiasm. Moreover, whereas Germany has done much since World War II to atone for its crimes and to document them, Japan has been absolutely disgraceful with its reparations for its crimes and in its efforts to educate its population about its wartime past. Shockingly, Japan continues, in general, to glorify is criminals and its wartime past.”

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Title looks sensationalist tbh, and the assertions dubious...thirty million killed by the Japanese? You'd probably have to count all sort of war-related deaths, not just atrocities in the narrow sense, to get even close to that number. The author also has a history of making exaggerated theses (he's best-known for his book about "Hitler's Jewish soldiers" after all), so I'm skeptical. But still thanks for the recommendation.


    Hitler’s SS Death’s Head outfits attempted to hide their atrocities, Hirohito’s legions committed their atrocities out in the open with fanfare and enthusiasm.
     
    Douglas Murray recently made that argument about Hamas. It may not be completely wrong (it's true that there was some awareness among leading Nazis that their actions were transgressive by traditional moral standards), but I still find it strange and wonder what its point is. Maybe that people without a background in Christian (or "Judeo-Christian") culture have no conscience? Maybe no souls either?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Dmitry

  504. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    There's absolutely nothing in your quotation that counters the major point within my comment, that "Ukraine no longer wants to be a Russian satellite, or worse yet, as recent documents reveal about Belarus’ future fate, to be just absorbed into a new Russian empire."

    Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail, @AP

    …Ukraine no longer wants to be a Russian satellite

    You intentionally missed the main point of the quote: there is no single Ukraine. The country was put together over decades by merging different regions that had some Ukrainness.

    Kiev should have allowed one or two generations of peace, native languages in offices-schools – Russian language was spoken by half of the population and dominated in most major cities – neutrality and good relations with both EU and Russia. That was slowly creating a more unified Ukraine.

    But they didn’t: Ukie nationalists after seizing power on Maidan told half of the people to submit and change their identity and history, or leave for Russia – an idiotic idea if there ever was one. They bombed Donbas for resisting. It was a mad over-reach that effectively destroyed Ukraine. With the bloody full-scale war there is no way to put it back together.

    Don’t just repeat your mantra about “Ukies good and the sub-human Asiatic Russians can go to hell!” Ukraine is not strong enough to win and it is rather ugly and immoral. But you won’t, you are bitter that the maximalist Ukie diaspora dreams are losing. It makes you feel temporarily better, but it will change nothing on the eventual outcome. This was a complete f..up, badly thought out and impulsive.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    You intentionally missed the main point of the quote: there is no single Ukraine. The country was put together over decades by merging different regions that had some Ukrainness.
     
    So what else is new under the sun? This seems to be the basic blueprint for most all countries in the world today, except for perhaps little tiny Slovakia.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/U1_XfLtNRQY/maxresdefault.jpg
    I Bought A Tiny Wooden House In Slovak Village

    Be careful Beckow, the outside world is creeping into your life, don't stain your underpants. :-)

    Replies: @Beckow

  505. German_reader says:
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @German_reader


    I did read John Dower’s War without mercy about the Pacific war more generally. Found it annoying in parts with its somewhat preachy antiracism tbh, but it contains a lot of interesting information (also about the Japanese and how they perceived the war and subject peoples in their conquered territories).
     
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-taQFhbwAAgnm-.jpg



    Bryan Mark Rigg's new book "Japan's holocaust" will undoubtedly be one of the most important history books this year.

    Here's how the author himself introduces the book (Rigg is undoubtedly one of the most highly regarded authors today on World War II ):

    "Japan’s Holocaust combines research conducted in over eighteen research facilities in five nations to explore Imperial Japan’s atrocities from 1927 to 1945 during its military expansions and reckless campaigns throughout Asia and the Pacific. This book brings together the most recent scholarship and new primary research to ascertain that Japan claimed a minimum of thirty million lives, slaughtering far more than Hitler. Japan’s Holocaust shows that Emperor Hirohito not only knew about the atrocities his legions committed, but actually ordered them. He did nothing to stop them when they exceeded even the most depraved person’s imagination, as illustrated during the Rape of Nanking as well as many other events. Japan’s Holocaust will document in painful detail that the Rape of Nanking was not an isolated event during the Asian War but rather representative of how Japan behaved for all its campaigns throughout Asia and the Pacific from 1927 to 1945.

    Mass murder, rape, and economic exploitation was Japan’s modus operandi during this time period, and whereas Hitler’s SS Death’s Head outfits attempted to hide their atrocities, Hirohito’s legions committed their atrocities out in the open with fanfare and enthusiasm. Moreover, whereas Germany has done much since World War II to atone for its crimes and to document them, Japan has been absolutely disgraceful with its reparations for its crimes and in its efforts to educate its population about its wartime past. Shockingly, Japan continues, in general, to glorify is criminals and its wartime past."

    Replies: @German_reader

    Title looks sensationalist tbh, and the assertions dubious…thirty million killed by the Japanese? You’d probably have to count all sort of war-related deaths, not just atrocities in the narrow sense, to get even close to that number. The author also has a history of making exaggerated theses (he’s best-known for his book about “Hitler’s Jewish soldiers” after all), so I’m skeptical. But still thanks for the recommendation.

    Hitler’s SS Death’s Head outfits attempted to hide their atrocities, Hirohito’s legions committed their atrocities out in the open with fanfare and enthusiasm.

    Douglas Murray recently made that argument about Hamas. It may not be completely wrong (it’s true that there was some awareness among leading Nazis that their actions were transgressive by traditional moral standards), but I still find it strange and wonder what its point is. Maybe that people without a background in Christian (or “Judeo-Christian”) culture have no conscience? Maybe no souls either?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...Maybe that people without a background in Christian culture have no conscience?
     
    Christianity is not about conscience - it is a complicated attempt to soften the external harshness of life. St. Augustine was open about it and gently advocated hypocrisy and self-lie because it makes things better. An interesting idea that metastasized over time into a peculiar form of Western hypocrisy: the ability to lie not only to deceive others but to feel better about yourself.

    It has been done so much that it seems to have to run its course. The ongoing Pali catastrophe is something West won't be able to shake off - too much hypocrisy combined with patronizing preaching, it has no chance to stick.

    The basic requirement for having conscience, morality, or "values", is that they have to be universal. Any group can create their own, but not applying the same to yourself means that you really have no principles. In that way the Japanese boastful brutality was more natural - but it also didn't work.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @German_reader


    Maybe that people without a background in Christian (or “Judeo-Christian”) culture have no conscience? Maybe no souls either?
     
    Not really, not really.


    https://twitter.com/_AM_SE/status/1722326887572062499


    https://twitter.com/PiersUncensored/status/1722353821735661784
    , @Dmitry
    @German_reader


    background in Christian (or “Judeo-Christian”) culture
     
    In the West, Nazism is usually viewed as rejection of the Enlightenment/modern Christianity/Western civilization. So, it's usually viewed as a return to primitivism or "caveman ideology". But, in the postwar Soviet view after the Iron Curtain, it was promoted like "Nazism is the heart of the Western capitalism", "Hitler is the real face of bourgeois democracy".

    In our forum, you could see the Soviet educated users like AnoninTN and Bashibuzuk have this view.

    For example, AnoninTN writes to us "all of Europe has united to invade Russia every century", viewing Nazi Germany as representative of Europe or ancestor of NATO/EU.

    Although I think Bashibuzuk was just trolling AP as it would be scientifically ignorant including in terms of understanding of what is being measured, a few months ago writing Western Europeans are "genocidal genetically" because of having more paternal haplogroups from some ancient populations which some people have a hypothesize might have killed some other populations around 4500 years in the past.


    culture have no conscience? Maybe no souls either?
     
    They don't have European, Christian or Enlightenment social norms or culture background in many of the third world countries compared to the developed countries. In parts of the 21st century Arab world, it would be still common to celebrate killing of civilians if they are in the enemy tribe without viewing this as a socially taboo.

    While in the 20th century Europe this would be usually socially taboo, although they could still present it as a military objective. For example, bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki would be to kill civilians, but there would be socially taboo in the general for Americans to not celebrate with champagne "we killed civilians, we are happy", even if they had believed that privately.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  506. @AP
    @Beckow


    Wouldn’t you agree that too many? They died for the insane dream of placing Nato in Ukraine so they can better intimidate Russia.
     
    They died because Putin wanted Ukraine to be united with Russia, to undo the fall of the USSR and the Rusiasn Empire. And Ukrainians did not want that. They preferred to fight in order to prevent that. It's an old struggle, much older than NATO. You obviously don't understand.

    Everything is secondary to that.

    Ukraine is slowly collapsing, they have started the usual internal fights that always precede the end.
     
    Like Prigozhin?

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Everything is secondary to that.

    Maybe to you, but not to the millions of Russians in Crimea, Donbas, elsewhere. You don’t get to decide for them. They wanted friendly normal relations with Russia and no Nato. They were quite willing to compromise, but your side bombed them.

    It is too late now: Kiev is losing and no rational observer sees a way to reverse it. You are waiting for a coup in Russia, miracle weapons, maybe Putin dying (that would make little difference). Prigozhin was a minor joke compared to the internal struggle in Kiev.

    The best deal Kiev can get is a neutral rump-Ukraine with normal policies for minorities and no visible security threats to Russia, some association with EU. If they refuse to negotiate, the rump will shrink and Russian security demands will get worse. But if it makes you feel better to go down screaming slogans about “Empires” nobody can help you.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    It is too late now: Kiev is losing
     
    Have you been saying that since the war started? How has that worked out?

    First you predicted that Ukrainians wouldn’t fight and the elites would all flee. Now you desperately repeat to yourself that Kiev is losing.

    You are waiting for a coup in Russia, miracle weapons, maybe Putin dying (that would make little difference)
     
    Which of those got the USA out of Vietnam and Iraq, or the USSR out of Afghanistan and Eastern Europe? As long as Ukraine does not surrender (something it’s people, who are not like you, do not want to do) various factors can eventually lead to a reasonable peace.

    Prigozhin was a minor joke compared to the internal struggle in Kiev

     

    Prigozhin’s mutiny involved the capture of a large city and HQ of an army group.

    Remind me about how this is happening in Ukraine.

    You are sounding desperate, and try to grasp anything you see.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow

  507. @German_reader
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Title looks sensationalist tbh, and the assertions dubious...thirty million killed by the Japanese? You'd probably have to count all sort of war-related deaths, not just atrocities in the narrow sense, to get even close to that number. The author also has a history of making exaggerated theses (he's best-known for his book about "Hitler's Jewish soldiers" after all), so I'm skeptical. But still thanks for the recommendation.


    Hitler’s SS Death’s Head outfits attempted to hide their atrocities, Hirohito’s legions committed their atrocities out in the open with fanfare and enthusiasm.
     
    Douglas Murray recently made that argument about Hamas. It may not be completely wrong (it's true that there was some awareness among leading Nazis that their actions were transgressive by traditional moral standards), but I still find it strange and wonder what its point is. Maybe that people without a background in Christian (or "Judeo-Christian") culture have no conscience? Maybe no souls either?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Dmitry

    …Maybe that people without a background in Christian culture have no conscience?

    Christianity is not about conscience – it is a complicated attempt to soften the external harshness of life. St. Augustine was open about it and gently advocated hypocrisy and self-lie because it makes things better. An interesting idea that metastasized over time into a peculiar form of Western hypocrisy: the ability to lie not only to deceive others but to feel better about yourself.

    It has been done so much that it seems to have to run its course. The ongoing Pali catastrophe is something West won’t be able to shake off – too much hypocrisy combined with patronizing preaching, it has no chance to stick.

    The basic requirement for having conscience, morality, or “values”, is that they have to be universal. Any group can create their own, but not applying the same to yourself means that you really have no principles. In that way the Japanese boastful brutality was more natural – but it also didn’t work.

    • Agree: WS
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Beckow


    Christianity is not about conscience – it is a complicated attempt to soften the external harshness of life.
     
    Sure, to a large extent it's about existential terror management, but I don't think one can discount the influence of Christian guilt culture that easily either. You are too cynical about this imo. As for Western hypocrisy, sure, it exists, quite blatantly so, but you are awfully one-sided about this. Russia, China, Iran etc. also frequently resort to humanitarian cant that is flatly contradicted by many of their own actions. imo the special sins of the West lie more in the fact that its policies are driven by hubris and increasingly disconnected from reality, not so much in any extraordinary mendacity and brutality.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Coconuts

  508. @Mikhail
    @LatW


    There are simple things such as a country’s constitution and basic legislation which actually demand that the country (any country, not just Ukraine) be defended – it is the duty of the citizens. Especially when the enemy is already present on the country’s territory with the goal to murder its citizens.

    This is why Ukraine cannot give up territory either because it is against the Constitution (or possibly even the criminal code).
     
    But it's okay for them to do things like not honor an internationally brokered UN recognized agreement it signed, along with persecuting a long standing church, while honoring the likes of Bandera.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    Didn’t they also write the aspiration to join NATO into their constitution before the SMO? Of course, the idea that Russia might see this as a causus belli was airily dismissed…

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Wielgus


    ...Didn’t they also write the aspiration to join NATO into their constitution
     
    Imagine the reverse: Canada, Ireland or Mexico put in their Constitution that they will join a China-Russia military alliance.

    The desperados here would pretend that it never happened. Or claim that Kiev is run like a clown-show and nobody should take them seriously. Same with the annual Nato meetings stating the same: Ukraine will be in Nato.

    It is bizarre how they are running away from it. As if they knew what they did and desperately try to hide it. That's what happens when morons run foreign policy...:)

    , @Mikhail
    @Wielgus

    The svidos are the ones primarily responsible for the debacle. Zelensky the man child adult contradicted what he ran on out of obvious intimidation. Russia had hoped for a relatively quick SMO. It didn't happen on account of Zelensky and the people behind him stupidly getting goaded by Western neocons/neolibs into believing that they could do better for themselves by fighting.

    Russia gave peace a chance.

    Replies: @AP

  509. @Wielgus
    @Mikhail

    Didn't they also write the aspiration to join NATO into their constitution before the SMO? Of course, the idea that Russia might see this as a causus belli was airily dismissed...

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail

    …Didn’t they also write the aspiration to join NATO into their constitution

    Imagine the reverse: Canada, Ireland or Mexico put in their Constitution that they will join a China-Russia military alliance.

    The desperados here would pretend that it never happened. Or claim that Kiev is run like a clown-show and nobody should take them seriously. Same with the annual Nato meetings stating the same: Ukraine will be in Nato.

    It is bizarre how they are running away from it. As if they knew what they did and desperately try to hide it. That’s what happens when morons run foreign policy…:)

  510. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    There's absolutely nothing in your quotation that counters the major point within my comment, that "Ukraine no longer wants to be a Russian satellite, or worse yet, as recent documents reveal about Belarus’ future fate, to be just absorbed into a new Russian empire."

    Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail, @AP

    There’s absolutely nothing in your quotation that counters the major point within my comment, that “Ukraine no longer wants to be a Russian satellite, or worse yet, as recent documents reveal about Belarus’ future fate, to be just absorbed into a new Russian empire.”

    Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

    You’re confusing your “major point” with how many on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR feel. Post-Soviet Russia isn’t the USSR or Russian Empire and was quite willing to accept a neutral Ukraine within its Communist drawn boundaries. The svidos and neocons abroad think otherwise.

    Such is your basic comprehension problem.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail


    how many on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR feel.
     
    This is how they feel today, not how you think that they should have felt in some imaginary past where every Ukrainian was ready to go down on all fours and give frontal head to the little dwarf dictator that lives in the kremlin, like you seem to do every day of your life:

    94% of Ukrainians across all regions hold negative views of the Russian Federation, according to a sociological survey by the Razumkov Center.

    Dislike towards Russia was expressed by 97% of residents of Central Ukraine and 90% of residents of Eastern Ukraine. These views are also held by 95,5% of respondents who use Ukrainian as a primary language and by 88% of those that communicate primarily in Russian.

     

    https://kyivindependent.com/poll-94-ukrainians-have-negative-view-of-russia-belarus-ranks-second-worst/

    Replies: @Mikhail

  511. @AP
    @QCIC

    300,000 KIA means an additional ~700,000 wounded which would be around a million casualties.

    And somehow no one in Ukraine noticed a holocaust of such scale. Ukraine has barely lost territory in 2023, it's economy is growing (the workers who haven't left the country aren't dead in some field).

    Like believing Scott Ritter, belief in such figures is a good indicator of someone being very stupid and gullible.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    The recent Time article on Zelensky and Economist piece regarding Zaluzhny reveal the otherwise obvious. The Kiev regime has incurred quite significant armed combatant casualty figures, thereby explaining the numerous videos of press gangs trying to round up recruits and recent efforts to get women to play a more active fighting role.

    In comparison, Russia hasn’t had to resort to that extreme level.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail


    The recent Time article on Zelensky and Economist piece regarding Zaluzhny reveal the otherwise obvious
     
    First was an article by Arestovych, a disgruntled guy who had been kicked out of Zelensky’s inner circle. Second was an interview by a man with an agenda of getting more aid and better weapons.

    A thinking person, which you are not, would take neither at face value.

    Let me guess: when people interested in getting more money for the US defence industry wrote about America being outclassed by the Russian military - you believed that, too.

    The Kiev regime has incurred quite significant armed combatant casualty figures
     
    I’m sure they did. 80,000 - 120,000 KIA is significant and very tragic. (though come to think of, the low estimate could be lower, maybe 70,000)

    300,000 or 500,000 KIA (MacGregor? Ritter? I lost track), which would be about a million or more casualties, is a number only for morons.

    A thinking person, which you are not, would wonder how Ukraine managed not only to not crumble, but to hold the Russians back while losing a million or so men killed and injured. Or how it’s economy has grown this year.

    Here is Kiev in 2023:

    https://youtu.be/zyb8nDARRTw?si=raRfmI4-DVy1OttS

    https://youtu.be/75_FfQGIlvk?si=wJ-sVeY-xhUOvKZc

    Quite a few men going about their business. Dumb Mikhail thinks they must all be dead, injured or in the army, but there they are.

    Yeah, looks like a country where a million people have been casualties.

    thereby explaining the numerous videos of press gangs trying to round up recruits and recent efforts to get women to play a more active fighting role
     
    Conscription exists. Do you think 300,000 Americans died in the Vietnam war because a bunch of people fled to Canada?

    Do you think 300,000 Israelis have died because Israel has female soldiers?

    :::::

    I also think that the figure of 300,000 dead Russians is not realistic, though it may be half of that or slightly more than half. Russia would implement mass mobilisation or would leave if it lost 300,000 killed.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mikhail, @Sean

  512. @AP
    @QCIC

    You are a pawn of the pro-Russian writers who laugh at your gullibility. Except for "Mikhail." He is dumb enough to believe it, though he has an excuse.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Pure projection on your part svido. Hitler cracked up upon the otherwise obvious that his side was going down. There’s hope as not everyone in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine is as obtuse as yourself.

  513. @German_reader
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Title looks sensationalist tbh, and the assertions dubious...thirty million killed by the Japanese? You'd probably have to count all sort of war-related deaths, not just atrocities in the narrow sense, to get even close to that number. The author also has a history of making exaggerated theses (he's best-known for his book about "Hitler's Jewish soldiers" after all), so I'm skeptical. But still thanks for the recommendation.


    Hitler’s SS Death’s Head outfits attempted to hide their atrocities, Hirohito’s legions committed their atrocities out in the open with fanfare and enthusiasm.
     
    Douglas Murray recently made that argument about Hamas. It may not be completely wrong (it's true that there was some awareness among leading Nazis that their actions were transgressive by traditional moral standards), but I still find it strange and wonder what its point is. Maybe that people without a background in Christian (or "Judeo-Christian") culture have no conscience? Maybe no souls either?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Dmitry

    Maybe that people without a background in Christian (or “Judeo-Christian”) culture have no conscience? Maybe no souls either?

    Not really, not really.

    [MORE]

  514. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    There's absolutely nothing in your quotation that counters the major point within my comment, that "Ukraine no longer wants to be a Russian satellite, or worse yet, as recent documents reveal about Belarus’ future fate, to be just absorbed into a new Russian empire."

    Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail, @AP

    There’s absolutely nothing in your quotation that counters the major point within my comment, that “Ukraine no longer wants to be a Russian satellite, or worse yet, as recent documents reveal about Belarus’ future fate, to be just absorbed into a new Russian empire.

    Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

    Mikhail was too dumb to understand what you had written. The best he could do was respond with his 90 IQ take, which no one probably read, about something that was only vaguely related.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP

    Keep projecting your own shortcomings which are quite extreme.

  515. @Greasy William
    @A123

    The Israel stuff is also devastating to Biden. There is no chance that the Muslims in Michigan are going to turn out for Joe after the way he has backed the Gaza op, and the way he will also back a war against Lebanon if/when that comes. Even if the wars all resolve before next summer, the Muslims are never going to forgive Joe and neither will many young Progressives. There are murmurs that blacks and Latinos in America are becoming increasingly antisemitic as well and many may decide not to vote for Biden, even if the Israel stuff isn't a huge deal to them.

    2024 is going to be a massacre. I could seriously see Trump winning by double digits

    Replies: @A123

    The Israel stuff is also devastating to Biden. There is no chance that the Muslims in Michigan are going to turn out for Joe after the way he has backed the Gaza op,

    In an amazing feat, Not-The-President Biden has also come out as an anti-semite opposing the Gaza op by demanding multi-day “humanitarian” cease fires.

    There is no chance that Jews will turn out for Biden. Life long Dems are switching parties. Here is an Alan Dershowitz highlight from a prior OT, follow the link for the full article: (1)

    The silence of some Democrats, President Biden’s administration and America’s foremost liberal institutions in response to an eruption of left-wing anti-Zionism and Jew hatred is gut-wrenching.

    It is nothing short of betrayal and Americans Jews must not move forward without a reckoning.

    Extreme SJW🏳️‍🌈Muslim symbolism is present in America. Look at this display outside Rashida Tlaib’s office.

      

    The Democrat party is a bundle of massive contradictions held together by obedience, passion, and dogma. The zealotry becomes more shrill each year. This type of craziness pushes people out. Look how many “feminists” are leaving the Dems because they want their daughters’ sports teams to be male free.

    MAGA converting the GOP to the party of workers made the DNC the party of MegaCorporations. Openly espousing migration as a threat to employment is on its face good policy. It also creates more rifts in the Democrat party.
    ___

    Hopefully it will be a blowout so we do not spend more time fighting DNC election fraud. The GOP looks good to take the Senate, including enough MAGA seats to considerably weaken the RINO’s.

    Everyone serious grasps that Trump’s 1st term was in part sabotaged by Mitch McConnell forcing his people into the administration. Most notably his wife Elaine Chao and warmonger John Bolton. Sadly, low-IQ yahoo #NeverTrump fools cannot grasp this simple fact.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-233/#comment-6247260

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @A123


    In an amazing feat, Not-The-President Biden has also come out as an anti-semite opposing the Gaza op by demanding multi-day “humanitarian” cease fires.
     
    In the Jewish people's darkest hour since the Holocaust, Biden was there for us. That washes away all of his other sins, as far as I'm concerned. Yes, Biden is a senile pedophile who repeatedly sexually assaulted his own daughter, but he has earned himself a pass for all that

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

  516. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    There’s absolutely nothing in your quotation that counters the major point within my comment, that “Ukraine no longer wants to be a Russian satellite, or worse yet, as recent documents reveal about Belarus’ future fate, to be just absorbed into a new Russian empire.”

    Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

     

    You're confusing your "major point" with how many on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR feel. Post-Soviet Russia isn't the USSR or Russian Empire and was quite willing to accept a neutral Ukraine within its Communist drawn boundaries. The svidos and neocons abroad think otherwise.

    Such is your basic comprehension problem.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    how many on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR feel.

    This is how they feel today, not how you think that they should have felt in some imaginary past where every Ukrainian was ready to go down on all fours and give frontal head to the little dwarf dictator that lives in the kremlin, like you seem to do every day of your life:

    94% of Ukrainians across all regions hold negative views of the Russian Federation, according to a sociological survey by the Razumkov Center.

    Dislike towards Russia was expressed by 97% of residents of Central Ukraine and 90% of residents of Eastern Ukraine. These views are also held by 95,5% of respondents who use Ukrainian as a primary language and by 88% of those that communicate primarily in Russian.

    https://kyivindependent.com/poll-94-ukrainians-have-negative-view-of-russia-belarus-ranks-second-worst/

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    This is how they feel today, not how you think that they should have felt in some imaginary past where every Ukrainian was ready to go down on all fours and give frontal head to the little dwarf dictator that lives in the kremlin, like you seem to do every day of your life:

    94% of Ukrainians across all regions hold negative views of the Russian Federation, according to a sociological survey by the Razumkov Center.

    Dislike towards Russia was expressed by 97% of residents of Central Ukraine and 90% of residents of Eastern Ukraine. These views are also held by 95,5% of respondents who use Ukrainian as a primary language and by 88% of those that communicate primarily in Russian.

     

    https://kyivindependent.com/poll-94-ukrainians-have-negative-view-of-russia-belarus-ranks-second-worst/
     
    Explains all the censorship they've to implement along with imprisonment and violence. Were the above so true, the dwarf dictator Zelensky and the svidos behind him wouldn't have to censor to the degree they do. As for Ukrainian public opinion -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frD1bk9tRX4

    At the 17:35 mark, regarding an aspect of Ukraine that’s continuously downplayed by the Western establishment. The title of that video could be: The ability of Ukrainians to Distinguish Messages of Svido, Neocon-Neolib Propaganda

    Its featured guest Lev Golinkin made an overly general and inaccurate neocon, neolib, svido handshakeworthy comment about the history of Ukraine under the Soviets and Russian Empire. (Svido is shorthand for the derisive svidomite term used to describe anti-Russian Ukrainian nationalists.)

    A follow-up to Golinkin notes that the Soviet Union made it possible for Ukraine to achieve a large border it never had. In the late 1920s, there was a linguistic Ukrainianization campaign in the Ukrainian SSR which Alexander Solzhenitsyn negatively noted. Soviet oppression was by no means related to just one republic.

    A pre-WW I Russian Empire census acknowledged that Ukrainian was widely spoken. In the late 1870s, there was a Ukrainian language censorship period (later stopped) that was initiated in response to anti-Russian Ukrainian language material coming from the Austro-Hungarian Empire. A pro-Russian, Russian Empire based Ukrainian brought this to the attention of the Russian authorities. That last point is noted by Orest Subtelny in his book covering Ukrainian history. This situation happened during a period when global tolerance for minorities within an empire had limits when compared to present day expectation.

    Meantime, it wasn't as if the Russian Empire wasn't changing.
  517. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ...Ukraine no longer wants to be a Russian satellite
     
    You intentionally missed the main point of the quote: there is no single Ukraine. The country was put together over decades by merging different regions that had some Ukrainness.

    Kiev should have allowed one or two generations of peace, native languages in offices-schools - Russian language was spoken by half of the population and dominated in most major cities - neutrality and good relations with both EU and Russia. That was slowly creating a more unified Ukraine.

    But they didn't: Ukie nationalists after seizing power on Maidan told half of the people to submit and change their identity and history, or leave for Russia - an idiotic idea if there ever was one. They bombed Donbas for resisting. It was a mad over-reach that effectively destroyed Ukraine. With the bloody full-scale war there is no way to put it back together.

    Don't just repeat your mantra about "Ukies good and the sub-human Asiatic Russians can go to hell!" Ukraine is not strong enough to win and it is rather ugly and immoral. But you won't, you are bitter that the maximalist Ukie diaspora dreams are losing. It makes you feel temporarily better, but it will change nothing on the eventual outcome. This was a complete f..up, badly thought out and impulsive.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    You intentionally missed the main point of the quote: there is no single Ukraine. The country was put together over decades by merging different regions that had some Ukrainness.

    So what else is new under the sun? This seems to be the basic blueprint for most all countries in the world today, except for perhaps little tiny Slovakia.
    I Bought A Tiny Wooden House In Slovak Village

    Be careful Beckow, the outside world is creeping into your life, don’t stain your underpants. 🙂

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    When you lose an argument you escape into pointless idiocy. What do you think that makes you look like? You are unable to even pretend that this can be rationally discussed, a sad situation as your side is losing.

    But you have the quasi-human AP supporting you no matter what, so you have that going for you...:)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123, @Mikhail

  518. @Mikhail
    @AP

    The recent Time article on Zelensky and Economist piece regarding Zaluzhny reveal the otherwise obvious. The Kiev regime has incurred quite significant armed combatant casualty figures, thereby explaining the numerous videos of press gangs trying to round up recruits and recent efforts to get women to play a more active fighting role.

    In comparison, Russia hasn't had to resort to that extreme level.

    Replies: @AP

    The recent Time article on Zelensky and Economist piece regarding Zaluzhny reveal the otherwise obvious

    First was an article by Arestovych, a disgruntled guy who had been kicked out of Zelensky’s inner circle. Second was an interview by a man with an agenda of getting more aid and better weapons.

    A thinking person, which you are not, would take neither at face value.

    Let me guess: when people interested in getting more money for the US defence industry wrote about America being outclassed by the Russian military – you believed that, too.

    The Kiev regime has incurred quite significant armed combatant casualty figures

    I’m sure they did. 80,000 – 120,000 KIA is significant and very tragic. (though come to think of, the low estimate could be lower, maybe 70,000)

    300,000 or 500,000 KIA (MacGregor? Ritter? I lost track), which would be about a million or more casualties, is a number only for morons.

    A thinking person, which you are not, would wonder how Ukraine managed not only to not crumble, but to hold the Russians back while losing a million or so men killed and injured. Or how it’s economy has grown this year.

    Here is Kiev in 2023:

    Quite a few men going about their business. Dumb Mikhail thinks they must all be dead, injured or in the army, but there they are.

    Yeah, looks like a country where a million people have been casualties.

    thereby explaining the numerous videos of press gangs trying to round up recruits and recent efforts to get women to play a more active fighting role

    Conscription exists. Do you think 300,000 Americans died in the Vietnam war because a bunch of people fled to Canada?

    Do you think 300,000 Israelis have died because Israel has female soldiers?

    :::::

    I also think that the figure of 300,000 dead Russians is not realistic, though it may be half of that or slightly more than half. Russia would implement mass mobilisation or would leave if it lost 300,000 killed.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AP

    It's a small video in the center of the capital city so not a representative sample, but this second video looks like it could indicate a lot of gender disbalance, with floods of young women around ages of 18-25. There cannot be seen so many military age men.

    Although flooding of the city by young women is normal in the postsoviet capital cities, as they are more geographically mobile compared to young men, also visit the center of the city for shopping and coffee.

    But it looks like more gender disbalance than normal, with women groups walking in the streets in Kiev, which could be influence of the war. In the peacetime postsoviet students' culture, it's also normally common to go to the city in mix-gender groups.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mikhail
    @AP

    You're being way too autistic-ally stupid with your constant Ritter chants. I very recently referenced an anti-Russian government source concerning the reasoned figure of just under 36,000 Russian KIA.

    Your anecdotal photos can be used to confirm that Russia hasn't been indiscriminately bombing civilians as falsely claimed in Western mass media. Russia has been far more tame when compared to how Israel responds to the Palestinians. This is because Russia/Russians know that many on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR aren't vile svidos, but people who're kin to Russia. Russia has done a much better job in documenting the use of human shields than Israel. There's also the matter of Kiev regime misfires hitting civilians along with the occasional Kiev regime hit of a projectile which then ends up getting diverted and killing civilians.

    You're off the wall wacked out for believing Russia has incurred more KIA than the Kiev regime. There's no realistic chance of such given the far greater number of artillery pieces used by Russia when compared to the Kiev regime.

    You'll next claim that the US News & World ranking of the Russian army as being number one in the world is part of an Intel operation to promote greater US defense spending. The Russian MIC and its armed personnel have vastly improved with their weapons proving to be far better than what Russia's adversaries thought. The NYT (not Ritter) said that Russia is outproducing the collective west by a 7-1 margin in artillery shells.

    Your mischaracterization of what's stated in the Time and Economist pieces is in line with your past overly selective cherry picks. Arestovych isn't the lone source relied on by Time moron. Zelensky spinster Yermak initially posted that Time piece and then quickly deleted it. The fool thought it'd be pro-Kiev regime by default. The mood in the US has changed in part because as time passes, the Kiev regime is more and more showing itself to be a lying, corrupt, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced entity with blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.

    Vietnam era US and contemporary Israel haven't utilized press gangs in the way the Kiev regime has. The recent Kiev regime ads for female armed personnel is another tell all, which you sheepishly dismiss with a phony false equivalency whataboutism.

    , @Sean
    @AP


    Russia would implement mass mobilisation or would leave if it lost 300,000 killed.
     
    Russia's system and standpoint can’t be made to disappear by any prudent (indirect) support for Ukraine. Russia has the strategic space and propinquity to continue a war against Ukraine from Russia proper, so even if Ukraine pushed the Russian army out of all Ukrainian territory, how could Russia be made to accept its failure and end the war? A direct American intervention going to the last extremity might produce capitulation by Russia to Ukraine’s terms, but that is fantasy.

    I also think that the figure of 300,000 dead Russians is not realistic
     

    Russia underestimates their KIA by an order of magnitude and Ukraine does not give a figure but says it has a massively favourable ration of attrition (Zelensky has said that 3-5 Russians die for every Ukrainian).

    An unattributed briefing by US intel published in the NYT the other month puts Russia's total casualties at 300,000 with 120,000 killed, and Ukraine 200,000 with 70,000 KIA. The losses at the begining of the war were surely the worst for Russia inasmuch they lost a substantial proportion of their best professional soldiers, who whose death has reduced the cadre available as a basis for expansion of the army. What Zelensky has publicly stated about multiple Russians being killed for every Ukrainian soldier is not true even before the Russian convict losses (20-30,000) are subtracted. On both sides the conflict is sustainable at the roughly the current level for years.

    Replies: @AP

  519. @Mikhail
    @QCIC

    Referencing an anti-Russian government Western based source, Berletic (in his most recent video I posted) puts the Russian KIA at just under 36,000. Kiev regime's is probably in the 300,000 or more range.

    Replies: @QCIC

    At the beginning the Russian casualty figures seemed obviously low. I think they were counting regular army deaths only and not everyone fighting on the Russian side. I was referring to the total of Donbas militia, Russian army, national guard and Wagner. I cannot vet the number it is just a WAG. I think Karlin’s counting of the names of recently deceased on a war monument was a good data point, though I think his scaling may have been ambitious. It is a big number for sure, just like Ukraine.

    It is a catastrophe.

    • Agree: WS
  520. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    You intentionally missed the main point of the quote: there is no single Ukraine. The country was put together over decades by merging different regions that had some Ukrainness.
     
    So what else is new under the sun? This seems to be the basic blueprint for most all countries in the world today, except for perhaps little tiny Slovakia.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/U1_XfLtNRQY/maxresdefault.jpg
    I Bought A Tiny Wooden House In Slovak Village

    Be careful Beckow, the outside world is creeping into your life, don't stain your underpants. :-)

    Replies: @Beckow

    When you lose an argument you escape into pointless idiocy. What do you think that makes you look like? You are unable to even pretend that this can be rationally discussed, a sad situation as your side is losing.

    But you have the quasi-human AP supporting you no matter what, so you have that going for you…:)

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    Who said that I lost any argument? Adding a little humor here and there only helps to make this blogsite a little bit more bearable. I even agreed with your premise that Ukraine has had a long history of melding together different territories into one country, all with an ethnic Ukrainian majority. What else do you want from me?

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @A123
    @Beckow

    Hack is mentally ill. I keep hoping he will seek psychiatric care, but alas this does not seem to be the case. He keeps responding to my fact based posts, though he knows his attempts at deception will remain unread.

    I suggest you follow these steps:

    -1- Feel pity for Hack
    -2- Offer forgiveness
    -3- Place him on your Ignore list

    Yes. It is an imperfect solution, but no can help him until he is willing to help himself.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack

    , @Mikhail
    @Beckow

    Hack has a certain goofball quality which includes a mellow aspect when compared to AP, who comes across as a more vile mean spirited dip. Recall how AP rationalized the Kiev regime roughing up and internment of Gonzalo Lira.

  521. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    When you lose an argument you escape into pointless idiocy. What do you think that makes you look like? You are unable to even pretend that this can be rationally discussed, a sad situation as your side is losing.

    But you have the quasi-human AP supporting you no matter what, so you have that going for you...:)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123, @Mikhail

    Who said that I lost any argument? Adding a little humor here and there only helps to make this blogsite a little bit more bearable. I even agreed with your premise that Ukraine has had a long history of melding together different territories into one country, all with an ethnic Ukrainian majority. What else do you want from me?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    You posted an African pointing to a bus stop in a village...ok, funny...:)

    Regarding most countries being melded together from different regions - it is true about most countries - that was only the first half of my point. The second part was that it takes 1-2 generations of quiet, peaceful coexistence to make that situation stable. Unfortunately for the Ukies, they jumped the gun and didn't give the natural process enough time to work - and now we have a bloody war.

    You may counter that Russia played a role in it. Ok, but what would you expect them to do? Why did Kiev played into their hands? The worst strategy for Ukraine was to anatagonise Russia and Ukie Russians, be half-way in EU and Nato, talk tough and provoke - and then not be strong enough to make it stick. That's where we are today.

  522. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    When you lose an argument you escape into pointless idiocy. What do you think that makes you look like? You are unable to even pretend that this can be rationally discussed, a sad situation as your side is losing.

    But you have the quasi-human AP supporting you no matter what, so you have that going for you...:)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123, @Mikhail

    Hack is mentally ill. I keep hoping he will seek psychiatric care, but alas this does not seem to be the case. He keeps responding to my fact based posts, though he knows his attempts at deception will remain unread.

    I suggest you follow these steps:

    -1- Feel pity for Hack
    -2- Offer forgiveness
    -3- Place him on your Ignore list

    Yes. It is an imperfect solution, but no can help him until he is willing to help himself.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @A123

    I don't mind - when people disagree they learn more...Ignoring other views leads to ignorance.

    Unz runs a very open platform, we should too.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    There you go again, trying to play armchair psychiatrist. You probably disappointed your mother when your applications to medical school were all turned down. Are your listless attempts to shut me down here your sore efforts to appease your poor mother?

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/law-order-identity_parade-police-lineups-line_ups-line_ups-mban4650_low.jpg

  523. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    Who said that I lost any argument? Adding a little humor here and there only helps to make this blogsite a little bit more bearable. I even agreed with your premise that Ukraine has had a long history of melding together different territories into one country, all with an ethnic Ukrainian majority. What else do you want from me?

    Replies: @Beckow

    You posted an African pointing to a bus stop in a village…ok, funny…:)

    Regarding most countries being melded together from different regions – it is true about most countries – that was only the first half of my point. The second part was that it takes 1-2 generations of quiet, peaceful coexistence to make that situation stable. Unfortunately for the Ukies, they jumped the gun and didn’t give the natural process enough time to work – and now we have a bloody war.

    You may counter that Russia played a role in it. Ok, but what would you expect them to do? Why did Kiev played into their hands? The worst strategy for Ukraine was to anatagonise Russia and Ukie Russians, be half-way in EU and Nato, talk tough and provoke – and then not be strong enough to make it stick. That’s where we are today.

  524. @A123
    @Beckow

    Hack is mentally ill. I keep hoping he will seek psychiatric care, but alas this does not seem to be the case. He keeps responding to my fact based posts, though he knows his attempts at deception will remain unread.

    I suggest you follow these steps:

    -1- Feel pity for Hack
    -2- Offer forgiveness
    -3- Place him on your Ignore list

    Yes. It is an imperfect solution, but no can help him until he is willing to help himself.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack

    I don’t mind – when people disagree they learn more…Ignoring other views leads to ignorance.

    Unz runs a very open platform, we should too.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Beckow

    You are crossing a generality with a specific in a logically unsound manner. As a concept it sounds OK. However, look at this singular case.


    when people disagree they learn more…
     
    Hack is mentally ill and thus incapable of learning. And, there is nothing factual that can be garnered from his perpetual emotional screeching. No learning is possible.

    Ignoring other views leads to ignorance.
     
    Placing those with psychiatric dysfunction on Ignore does not lead to ignorance. Doing so is an act of medical compassion.

    You are doing harm to Hack by interacting with him. If no one here read or responded to his posts, perhaps he would seek help. At a minimum placing him on Ignore would avoid exacerbating his mental issues.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  525. @Beckow
    @A123

    I don't mind - when people disagree they learn more...Ignoring other views leads to ignorance.

    Unz runs a very open platform, we should too.

    Replies: @A123

    You are crossing a generality with a specific in a logically unsound manner. As a concept it sounds OK. However, look at this singular case.

    when people disagree they learn more…

    Hack is mentally ill and thus incapable of learning. And, there is nothing factual that can be garnered from his perpetual emotional screeching. No learning is possible.

    Ignoring other views leads to ignorance.

    Placing those with psychiatric dysfunction on Ignore does not lead to ignorance. Doing so is an act of medical compassion.

    You are doing harm to Hack by interacting with him. If no one here read or responded to his posts, perhaps he would seek help. At a minimum placing him on Ignore would avoid exacerbating his mental issues.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    Beckow's not a coward like you, I'll give him credit for that. Unlike you, he doesn't hide behind phony pleas for "compassion" and hokey psychiatric memes.


    If no one here read or responded to his posts, perhaps he would seek help. At a minimum placing him on Ignore would avoid exacerbating his mental issues.
     
    But that doesn't seem to be possible. I count many readers here as open and friendly to my commenting here: LatW, songbird, Barbarossa, AP, Heavily Marbled Steak, Ivashka, German_Reader, and sometimes even Emile Nicola Richard. :-) We don't always agree with one another, but we don't need to digress to playing armchair psychiatrist in order to try and launch a campaign of censorship. I don't seem to see too many here that are warm to your acerbic messages. Give it up, kremlinstoogeA123, you're all warn out and unable to debate with anybody.
  526. So I caught up with old friend for drinks tonight. I have some working class friends like her, but none of whose lives I take much interest in. But I was friends with this woman’s ex-husband and I got to know her quite well, so I’m much more willing to help carry the conversation when it turns to common working class sort of themes/problems that have come up in her life (rather than changing the subject, as I often do). I knew about some of things that were going badly for her, and have felt sorry for that she never made it out of that cycle of frankly rather easily-solved (or avoided) problems – since she clearly has the brains for that – but until tonight I didn’t realize just how bad it all was.

    A couple of weeks ago we were at a party near her house and I decided to sleep there rather than risk driving, and while I was there her youngest daughter, 16, was begging her to allow her to buy a vape, which she adamantly refused. The mother walked out of the room at one point and her daughter said softly to me “little does she know, I’ve already got one.” I didn’t want to give the daughter’s secret away, but I wanted to clue the mother in that was more going on than she knew, so I came up with the idea of telling my friend, “your daughter told me a secret but I can’t say what it is,” thinking that she would then ask her about it and they could argue it out between themselves, and I wouldn’t like look like the bad guy to either one of them.

    Well, I never got around to saying that, but it doesn’t matter anyway, because the real problems they were having that I learned about tonight make that a laughably irrelevant trifle. Turns out her youngest daughter had boys at the house while my friend was away this weekend (including a black guy, which she is totally opposed to) who stayed the night; she found her stash of vapes; found out she’s been smoking weed, which her sister’s boyfriend (who is a dealer, of more than just weed) had been giving her; and had not only already lost her virginity but had a reputation as a slut.

    Then the eldest daughter (who is a cut above the other two) joined us while the mother was commiserating with me over drinks about the tough turns life can take and many more stories came out. I was attentive and understanding, listening more than offering “solutions” (which is pointless to tell females in that state of mind, or even in any state of mind lol), but all the same I couldn’t help feeling a bit down about how stupidly and mindlessly working class people (in particular, but they’re not alone) allow their lives to enter virtual death spirals.

    This is why I’ve never been able to take socialism seriously. I completely fail to see what difference it would make if my friend’s income was boosted by, say, 50%. That’s a significant boost and it would certainly be welcome, but the idea that the added income would have enabled my friend and her and family to avoid the kind of problems they’re having (and I’ve left a lot unsaid here) strikes me as utterly fantastical. To me, it’s plainly obvious their problems are a direct result of their habitual “stinkin’ thinkin’”.

    I consider it a great pity that leftists, who it’s true tend to care much more about helping the little people than conservatives do, dissipate their energies on trying to raise working class incomes rather than focusing on imparting “life strategies” that would actually help people lead better lives – especially since improving the lot of the working class largely involves avoiding easily avoidable mistakes. (I think teaching someone to not do something is generally much easier than trying to teach them to do something, like some skill which may well be beyond them – hard to know till you try, of course. Eg “learn algebra!”- if we’re talking about “everyone,” ah yeah ,good luck.)

    The optimist in me finds it quite sad to think that some families seem set to repeat the same cycle of dispiriting dramas, generation after generation – especially when solutions to at least half those problems are already at hand. I often post here in a way that makes me sound very coldhearted and uncaring about other people – and I definitely have some of that in me – but at the same time, it really does perplex me to think how totally unnecessarily many people ruin their own lives.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @silviosilver

    You should become a Buddhist man. We all are one. We all are pointless ruined lives.

    Ha ha ha ha just kidding. You should bang the slut. Is she legal?

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @silviosilver

    Where is the father?

    He has much to answer for.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @German_reader
    @silviosilver

    Australia should learn some lessons from its Asian neighbors and execute drug dealers.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @songbird

    , @Coconuts
    @silviosilver


    This is why I’ve never been able to take socialism seriously. I completely fail to see what difference it would make if my friend’s income was boosted by, say, 50%.
     
    When I was younger and more of a socialist the redistribution/nationalisation element was part of it, but it seemed to be about increasing altruism and solidarity, a kind of moral renewal, raising the cultural level of people etc. Then British politics went in the opposite direction and everyone's living standards were rising, it seemed less relevant.

    Some of the old French socialists used to write about the effects of capitalism and bourgeois power on the family, that it will create broken families, widespread prostitution, possibly pornocracy (where prostitutes or harlots control the government), sodomites will be empowered etc. Maybe these intuitions came from observing French society in the 1840s and what it was like already, but they seem to have been prescient.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @Sher Singh
    @silviosilver

    Eh, in traditional set up they'd be kept in line by Village Chieftain.
    That would be someone like you with bit higher iq, but less gay.

    Modernity's centralizing of state power has really screwed over the less fortunate.
    That's why equality before the law is dumb.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @LatW

  527. @A123
    @Beckow

    Hack is mentally ill. I keep hoping he will seek psychiatric care, but alas this does not seem to be the case. He keeps responding to my fact based posts, though he knows his attempts at deception will remain unread.

    I suggest you follow these steps:

    -1- Feel pity for Hack
    -2- Offer forgiveness
    -3- Place him on your Ignore list

    Yes. It is an imperfect solution, but no can help him until he is willing to help himself.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack

    There you go again, trying to play armchair psychiatrist. You probably disappointed your mother when your applications to medical school were all turned down. Are your listless attempts to shut me down here your sore efforts to appease your poor mother?

  528. @silviosilver
    So I caught up with old friend for drinks tonight. I have some working class friends like her, but none of whose lives I take much interest in. But I was friends with this woman's ex-husband and I got to know her quite well, so I'm much more willing to help carry the conversation when it turns to common working class sort of themes/problems that have come up in her life (rather than changing the subject, as I often do). I knew about some of things that were going badly for her, and have felt sorry for that she never made it out of that cycle of frankly rather easily-solved (or avoided) problems - since she clearly has the brains for that - but until tonight I didn't realize just how bad it all was.

    A couple of weeks ago we were at a party near her house and I decided to sleep there rather than risk driving, and while I was there her youngest daughter, 16, was begging her to allow her to buy a vape, which she adamantly refused. The mother walked out of the room at one point and her daughter said softly to me "little does she know, I've already got one." I didn't want to give the daughter's secret away, but I wanted to clue the mother in that was more going on than she knew, so I came up with the idea of telling my friend, "your daughter told me a secret but I can't say what it is," thinking that she would then ask her about it and they could argue it out between themselves, and I wouldn't like look like the bad guy to either one of them.

    Well, I never got around to saying that, but it doesn't matter anyway, because the real problems they were having that I learned about tonight make that a laughably irrelevant trifle. Turns out her youngest daughter had boys at the house while my friend was away this weekend (including a black guy, which she is totally opposed to) who stayed the night; she found her stash of vapes; found out she's been smoking weed, which her sister's boyfriend (who is a dealer, of more than just weed) had been giving her; and had not only already lost her virginity but had a reputation as a slut.

    Then the eldest daughter (who is a cut above the other two) joined us while the mother was commiserating with me over drinks about the tough turns life can take and many more stories came out. I was attentive and understanding, listening more than offering "solutions" (which is pointless to tell females in that state of mind, or even in any state of mind lol), but all the same I couldn't help feeling a bit down about how stupidly and mindlessly working class people (in particular, but they're not alone) allow their lives to enter virtual death spirals.

    This is why I've never been able to take socialism seriously. I completely fail to see what difference it would make if my friend's income was boosted by, say, 50%. That's a significant boost and it would certainly be welcome, but the idea that the added income would have enabled my friend and her and family to avoid the kind of problems they're having (and I've left a lot unsaid here) strikes me as utterly fantastical. To me, it's plainly obvious their problems are a direct result of their habitual "stinkin' thinkin'".

    I consider it a great pity that leftists, who it's true tend to care much more about helping the little people than conservatives do, dissipate their energies on trying to raise working class incomes rather than focusing on imparting "life strategies" that would actually help people lead better lives - especially since improving the lot of the working class largely involves avoiding easily avoidable mistakes. (I think teaching someone to not do something is generally much easier than trying to teach them to do something, like some skill which may well be beyond them - hard to know till you try, of course. Eg "learn algebra!"- if we're talking about "everyone," ah yeah ,good luck.)

    The optimist in me finds it quite sad to think that some families seem set to repeat the same cycle of dispiriting dramas, generation after generation - especially when solutions to at least half those problems are already at hand. I often post here in a way that makes me sound very coldhearted and uncaring about other people - and I definitely have some of that in me - but at the same time, it really does perplex me to think how totally unnecessarily many people ruin their own lives.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @German_reader, @Coconuts, @Sher Singh

    You should become a Buddhist man. We all are one. We all are pointless ruined lives.

    Ha ha ha ha just kidding. You should bang the slut. Is she legal?

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Well, if we go by the "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed" standard, yeah. And quite the looker. But ah, 16 man... Tell you what, you go first lol.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  529. @John Johnson
    @LatW

    When you put it that way, it made me think that the Mormon religion became attractive to some people for the same reason that people are now buying Bronze Age Pervert’s book because it uses the words “selective breeding” in its title.

    Well you can see how it plays to the envy of the average Joe.

    Your non-Mormon betters become your slaves for eternity.

    That asshole with the pretty wife and big house? Yea well YOU GET YOUR OWN PLANET DUDE WITH LIKE A HUNDRED WOMEN. OH AND HE WILL BE A MORMON SLAVE.

    It's just ridiculously comical in its appeal to baser natures of men.

    Did they make any attempts at presenting any kind of a rational explanation as to where all those new, young and beautiful wives would be coming from? Or are they just provided by God?

    Maybe they plan on taking the wives of Christians and Jews? I don't see the math working out any other way unless God just starts creating them as adults.

    We do know that unmarried Mormon women are assigned as a space wife upon death.

    They get hit by a bus and then wake up as wife #38 to some creep. Time to spread for your new husband.

    Single Mormon women are shamed in the Mormon church. They have to sit in the back or in the singles ward.

    Once they are past a certain age they are treated like failures and it is assumed they will have to wait to get preggos in the afterlife. They become rejects and disowned by their former friends that got married.

    Interestingly they have an excess of a single women and it is getting worse. It was once assumed they would be immune but they have the same problem as protestant churches. The men aren't going and the women sit around and pray for a husband.

    Mormon life for the average Joe is pretty awful. They constantly get compared to wealthy Mormon men that can afford 6 kids. It's a keeping up with the Jones mentality. If a Mormon man is born into wealth he is considered blessed by God and not spoiled. It means the family is virtuous and did everything right.

    Now in comes Mr. XYZ to tell us that we should tolerate this space polygamy cult that was transcribed from a magic hat because they smile and mow their lawns.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    Single Mormon women are shamed in the Mormon church …/… They become rejects and disowned by their former friends that got married.

    In real life, however, while most other religions let people deal with their loneliness issues on their own, Mormons organize singles wards with activities around the week for singles to meet each other and hopefully marry. These days they’re actually open to non-Mormons, so much they despise us lol. My wife was telling me the other day that some older Venezuelan “refugee” single women were attending a nearby singles ward in the hopes of fishing a Mormon husband.

    I don’t get the point of making stuff up. If people just said ‘I hate Mormons, they have weird beliefs and some of them once tried to swindle me’, I’d be fine with that. I haven’t had any experience of fraud in a decade living among them, right the opposite, but I also find their beliefs quite nutty for the 21st century and I can understand people rejecting them. I give them the boot myself when they send me missionaries knocking on my door. However, the problem here is twofold: making stuff up and pretending to know about a group of people more than someone who actually lives surrounded by them.

    It’s as silly as my trying to lecture Barbarossa on the Amish. He lives close to them and I believe that he has frequent interactions with them. No matter how much I may have read about them on the internet and what my personal experience once was with with a small sample, Barbarossa obviously knows much better than me what the actual community is like in real life.

    Does this even need to be explained? What’s actually wrong with you? Did you join the marines or something and they made you lose your ability to see nuance and use your brain to process non black-and-white information?

  530. @A123
    @Beckow

    You are crossing a generality with a specific in a logically unsound manner. As a concept it sounds OK. However, look at this singular case.


    when people disagree they learn more…
     
    Hack is mentally ill and thus incapable of learning. And, there is nothing factual that can be garnered from his perpetual emotional screeching. No learning is possible.

    Ignoring other views leads to ignorance.
     
    Placing those with psychiatric dysfunction on Ignore does not lead to ignorance. Doing so is an act of medical compassion.

    You are doing harm to Hack by interacting with him. If no one here read or responded to his posts, perhaps he would seek help. At a minimum placing him on Ignore would avoid exacerbating his mental issues.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Beckow’s not a coward like you, I’ll give him credit for that. Unlike you, he doesn’t hide behind phony pleas for “compassion” and hokey psychiatric memes.

    If no one here read or responded to his posts, perhaps he would seek help. At a minimum placing him on Ignore would avoid exacerbating his mental issues.

    But that doesn’t seem to be possible. I count many readers here as open and friendly to my commenting here: LatW, songbird, Barbarossa, AP, Heavily Marbled Steak, Ivashka, German_Reader, and sometimes even Emile Nicola Richard. 🙂 We don’t always agree with one another, but we don’t need to digress to playing armchair psychiatrist in order to try and launch a campaign of censorship. I don’t seem to see too many here that are warm to your acerbic messages. Give it up, kremlinstoogeA123, you’re all warn out and unable to debate with anybody.

  531. @Wielgus
    @Mikhail

    Didn't they also write the aspiration to join NATO into their constitution before the SMO? Of course, the idea that Russia might see this as a causus belli was airily dismissed...

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail

    The svidos are the ones primarily responsible for the debacle. Zelensky the man child adult contradicted what he ran on out of obvious intimidation. Russia had hoped for a relatively quick SMO. It didn’t happen on account of Zelensky and the people behind him stupidly getting goaded by Western neocons/neolibs into believing that they could do better for themselves by fighting.

    Russia gave peace a chance.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail


    Zelensky the man child adult
     
    Zelensky finished law school, has a career as a successful entertainer and now president, married and has children.

    You have never married, never had kids, don’t have much of any actual career, and write semi-educated thoughtless things on the internet (from your family’s home - I doubt you’ve even managed to buy the place where you live).

    You are the last person to call someone a “man child adult.”

    Replies: @Mikhail

  532. @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    There’s absolutely nothing in your quotation that counters the major point within my comment, that “Ukraine no longer wants to be a Russian satellite, or worse yet, as recent documents reveal about Belarus’ future fate, to be just absorbed into a new Russian empire.

    Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
     
    Mikhail was too dumb to understand what you had written. The best he could do was respond with his 90 IQ take, which no one probably read, about something that was only vaguely related.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Keep projecting your own shortcomings which are quite extreme.

  533. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...Everything is secondary to that.
     
    Maybe to you, but not to the millions of Russians in Crimea, Donbas, elsewhere. You don't get to decide for them. They wanted friendly normal relations with Russia and no Nato. They were quite willing to compromise, but your side bombed them.

    It is too late now: Kiev is losing and no rational observer sees a way to reverse it. You are waiting for a coup in Russia, miracle weapons, maybe Putin dying (that would make little difference). Prigozhin was a minor joke compared to the internal struggle in Kiev.

    The best deal Kiev can get is a neutral rump-Ukraine with normal policies for minorities and no visible security threats to Russia, some association with EU. If they refuse to negotiate, the rump will shrink and Russian security demands will get worse. But if it makes you feel better to go down screaming slogans about "Empires" nobody can help you.

    Replies: @AP

    It is too late now: Kiev is losing

    Have you been saying that since the war started? How has that worked out?

    First you predicted that Ukrainians wouldn’t fight and the elites would all flee. Now you desperately repeat to yourself that Kiev is losing.

    You are waiting for a coup in Russia, miracle weapons, maybe Putin dying (that would make little difference)

    Which of those got the USA out of Vietnam and Iraq, or the USSR out of Afghanistan and Eastern Europe? As long as Ukraine does not surrender (something it’s people, who are not like you, do not want to do) various factors can eventually lead to a reasonable peace.

    Prigozhin was a minor joke compared to the internal struggle in Kiev

    Prigozhin’s mutiny involved the capture of a large city and HQ of an army group.

    Remind me about how this is happening in Ukraine.

    You are sounding desperate, and try to grasp anything you see.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AP

    Available, prior U.S. appropriations for Kiev aggression are below $1B. The last CR contained zero. The next CR is also proposed at zero.

    How will your desired offensive work without resupply?

    You keep saying that Kiev is "winning". Yet, the facts on the ground show that Russia holds significant chunks of 4 Oblasts.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AP

    , @Beckow
    @AP

    Ok, let's reverse it: is Kiev winning? My point that you abbreviated was that Ukraine was in better position to get a good deal before they started to lose the war - the best time was before the war.

    Is Kiev winning now? How low do you have to define "winning" to claim that? This is not like Iraq or Vietnam - it is a traditional war between regular armies. You are hoping that guerilla warfare would happen if Kiev loses more territory; some would, but I doubt enough to make much difference. Demography and geography are completely different.

    Prigozhin captured a city? Really? What for like 1-2 days Wagner tanks surrounded the local gment building and then left. Quite a "capture"...the internal back-biting within the Kiev ruling circle is more dangerous.

    Replies: @AP

  534. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail


    how many on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR feel.
     
    This is how they feel today, not how you think that they should have felt in some imaginary past where every Ukrainian was ready to go down on all fours and give frontal head to the little dwarf dictator that lives in the kremlin, like you seem to do every day of your life:

    94% of Ukrainians across all regions hold negative views of the Russian Federation, according to a sociological survey by the Razumkov Center.

    Dislike towards Russia was expressed by 97% of residents of Central Ukraine and 90% of residents of Eastern Ukraine. These views are also held by 95,5% of respondents who use Ukrainian as a primary language and by 88% of those that communicate primarily in Russian.

     

    https://kyivindependent.com/poll-94-ukrainians-have-negative-view-of-russia-belarus-ranks-second-worst/

    Replies: @Mikhail

    This is how they feel today, not how you think that they should have felt in some imaginary past where every Ukrainian was ready to go down on all fours and give frontal head to the little dwarf dictator that lives in the kremlin, like you seem to do every day of your life:

    94% of Ukrainians across all regions hold negative views of the Russian Federation, according to a sociological survey by the Razumkov Center.

    Dislike towards Russia was expressed by 97% of residents of Central Ukraine and 90% of residents of Eastern Ukraine. These views are also held by 95,5% of respondents who use Ukrainian as a primary language and by 88% of those that communicate primarily in Russian.

    https://kyivindependent.com/poll-94-ukrainians-have-negative-view-of-russia-belarus-ranks-second-worst/

    Explains all the censorship they’ve to implement along with imprisonment and violence. Were the above so true, the dwarf dictator Zelensky and the svidos behind him wouldn’t have to censor to the degree they do. As for Ukrainian public opinion –

    At the 17:35 mark, regarding an aspect of Ukraine that’s continuously downplayed by the Western establishment. The title of that video could be: The ability of Ukrainians to Distinguish Messages of Svido, Neocon-Neolib Propaganda

    Its featured guest Lev Golinkin made an overly general and inaccurate neocon, neolib, svido handshakeworthy comment about the history of Ukraine under the Soviets and Russian Empire. (Svido is shorthand for the derisive svidomite term used to describe anti-Russian Ukrainian nationalists.)

    A follow-up to Golinkin notes that the Soviet Union made it possible for Ukraine to achieve a large border it never had. In the late 1920s, there was a linguistic Ukrainianization campaign in the Ukrainian SSR which Alexander Solzhenitsyn negatively noted. Soviet oppression was by no means related to just one republic.

    A pre-WW I Russian Empire census acknowledged that Ukrainian was widely spoken. In the late 1870s, there was a Ukrainian language censorship period (later stopped) that was initiated in response to anti-Russian Ukrainian language material coming from the Austro-Hungarian Empire. A pro-Russian, Russian Empire based Ukrainian brought this to the attention of the Russian authorities. That last point is noted by Orest Subtelny in his book covering Ukrainian history. This situation happened during a period when global tolerance for minorities within an empire had limits when compared to present day expectation.

    Meantime, it wasn’t as if the Russian Empire wasn’t changing.

  535. @silviosilver
    So I caught up with old friend for drinks tonight. I have some working class friends like her, but none of whose lives I take much interest in. But I was friends with this woman's ex-husband and I got to know her quite well, so I'm much more willing to help carry the conversation when it turns to common working class sort of themes/problems that have come up in her life (rather than changing the subject, as I often do). I knew about some of things that were going badly for her, and have felt sorry for that she never made it out of that cycle of frankly rather easily-solved (or avoided) problems - since she clearly has the brains for that - but until tonight I didn't realize just how bad it all was.

    A couple of weeks ago we were at a party near her house and I decided to sleep there rather than risk driving, and while I was there her youngest daughter, 16, was begging her to allow her to buy a vape, which she adamantly refused. The mother walked out of the room at one point and her daughter said softly to me "little does she know, I've already got one." I didn't want to give the daughter's secret away, but I wanted to clue the mother in that was more going on than she knew, so I came up with the idea of telling my friend, "your daughter told me a secret but I can't say what it is," thinking that she would then ask her about it and they could argue it out between themselves, and I wouldn't like look like the bad guy to either one of them.

    Well, I never got around to saying that, but it doesn't matter anyway, because the real problems they were having that I learned about tonight make that a laughably irrelevant trifle. Turns out her youngest daughter had boys at the house while my friend was away this weekend (including a black guy, which she is totally opposed to) who stayed the night; she found her stash of vapes; found out she's been smoking weed, which her sister's boyfriend (who is a dealer, of more than just weed) had been giving her; and had not only already lost her virginity but had a reputation as a slut.

    Then the eldest daughter (who is a cut above the other two) joined us while the mother was commiserating with me over drinks about the tough turns life can take and many more stories came out. I was attentive and understanding, listening more than offering "solutions" (which is pointless to tell females in that state of mind, or even in any state of mind lol), but all the same I couldn't help feeling a bit down about how stupidly and mindlessly working class people (in particular, but they're not alone) allow their lives to enter virtual death spirals.

    This is why I've never been able to take socialism seriously. I completely fail to see what difference it would make if my friend's income was boosted by, say, 50%. That's a significant boost and it would certainly be welcome, but the idea that the added income would have enabled my friend and her and family to avoid the kind of problems they're having (and I've left a lot unsaid here) strikes me as utterly fantastical. To me, it's plainly obvious their problems are a direct result of their habitual "stinkin' thinkin'".

    I consider it a great pity that leftists, who it's true tend to care much more about helping the little people than conservatives do, dissipate their energies on trying to raise working class incomes rather than focusing on imparting "life strategies" that would actually help people lead better lives - especially since improving the lot of the working class largely involves avoiding easily avoidable mistakes. (I think teaching someone to not do something is generally much easier than trying to teach them to do something, like some skill which may well be beyond them - hard to know till you try, of course. Eg "learn algebra!"- if we're talking about "everyone," ah yeah ,good luck.)

    The optimist in me finds it quite sad to think that some families seem set to repeat the same cycle of dispiriting dramas, generation after generation - especially when solutions to at least half those problems are already at hand. I often post here in a way that makes me sound very coldhearted and uncaring about other people - and I definitely have some of that in me - but at the same time, it really does perplex me to think how totally unnecessarily many people ruin their own lives.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @German_reader, @Coconuts, @Sher Singh

    Where is the father?

    He has much to answer for.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    He does indeed. But divorced years ago, and he battered her, so can't blame her from wanting to keep him out of the picture. And the two youngest hate him, so he's kinda limited in his ability to help, even if he had the slightest idea how to, which I seriously doubt he does.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

  536. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @silviosilver

    You should become a Buddhist man. We all are one. We all are pointless ruined lives.

    Ha ha ha ha just kidding. You should bang the slut. Is she legal?

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Well, if we go by the “old enough to bleed, old enough to breed” standard, yeah. And quite the looker. But ah, 16 man… Tell you what, you go first lol.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @silviosilver

    I thought you were based. Sexually attractive and intellectually mature is a male phenomenon. All women are children at least until they hit the wall.

    Maybe you are gay and you don't know it yet.

    ** Obviously this is a rule of thumb and there are a very very few exceptions.

    *** I am not based like Silvio as if anybody could possibly care.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  537. @AP
    @Beckow


    It is too late now: Kiev is losing
     
    Have you been saying that since the war started? How has that worked out?

    First you predicted that Ukrainians wouldn’t fight and the elites would all flee. Now you desperately repeat to yourself that Kiev is losing.

    You are waiting for a coup in Russia, miracle weapons, maybe Putin dying (that would make little difference)
     
    Which of those got the USA out of Vietnam and Iraq, or the USSR out of Afghanistan and Eastern Europe? As long as Ukraine does not surrender (something it’s people, who are not like you, do not want to do) various factors can eventually lead to a reasonable peace.

    Prigozhin was a minor joke compared to the internal struggle in Kiev

     

    Prigozhin’s mutiny involved the capture of a large city and HQ of an army group.

    Remind me about how this is happening in Ukraine.

    You are sounding desperate, and try to grasp anything you see.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow

    Available, prior U.S. appropriations for Kiev aggression are below $1B. The last CR contained zero. The next CR is also proposed at zero.

    How will your desired offensive work without resupply?

    You keep saying that Kiev is “winning”. Yet, the facts on the ground show that Russia holds significant chunks of 4 Oblasts.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AP
    @A123


    Available, prior U.S. appropriations for Kiev aggression are below $1B
     
    So they say. Ukraine still also gets funding from Europe.

    You keep saying that Kiev is “winning”. Yet, the facts on the ground show that Russia holds significant chunks of 4 Oblasts.
     
    Do I keep saying that? Where?

    I said it isn’t losing. It has stopped the Russians, regained some but not all lost territory, and exchanging casualties at a favourable rate. It has opened the shipping corridor. But yes it has not liberated the Crimean corridor.

    Germany still had chunks of various countries in 1944. Would you say it was still winning at that time?

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader

  538. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @silviosilver

    Where is the father?

    He has much to answer for.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    He does indeed. But divorced years ago, and he battered her, so can’t blame her from wanting to keep him out of the picture. And the two youngest hate him, so he’s kinda limited in his ability to help, even if he had the slightest idea how to, which I seriously doubt he does.

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @silviosilver

    Are they Anglo or Ethnic?

    It doesn't really matter, but pattern recognition has always been important to me.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  539. @Mikhail
    @Wielgus

    The svidos are the ones primarily responsible for the debacle. Zelensky the man child adult contradicted what he ran on out of obvious intimidation. Russia had hoped for a relatively quick SMO. It didn't happen on account of Zelensky and the people behind him stupidly getting goaded by Western neocons/neolibs into believing that they could do better for themselves by fighting.

    Russia gave peace a chance.

    Replies: @AP

    Zelensky the man child adult

    Zelensky finished law school, has a career as a successful entertainer and now president, married and has children.

    You have never married, never had kids, don’t have much of any actual career, and write semi-educated thoughtless things on the internet (from your family’s home – I doubt you’ve even managed to buy the place where you live).

    You are the last person to call someone a “man child adult.”

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP

    Keep projecting oh anonymous svido troll.

    Zelensky and yourself both exhibit man child like manner unlike yous truly. All the degrees, marriages and children in the world can't offset that.

    Zelensky with his dressing up as (take your pick) GI Joe or a custodian at formal gatherings, dropping the F bomb during a US nationally televised interview and his reported nuisance gimme manner aren't my style. In comparison, the usually informal in style Max Blumenthal, Danny Haiphong, George Szamuely and Randy Credico dress appropriately when speaking at the UN.

    Your primitive off topic ad hominem banter after getting debunked on the intended subject matter is indicative of your severe shortcomings. To get to your very low level (which isn't difficult), do you actually breed? A scary thought.

    It's quite clear that on the intended subject matters for discussion, you haven't been academically referenced, along with having no major mass media guest appearances on account of being a poor interlocutor and intellect.

    Replies: @AP

  540. @A123
    @AP

    Available, prior U.S. appropriations for Kiev aggression are below $1B. The last CR contained zero. The next CR is also proposed at zero.

    How will your desired offensive work without resupply?

    You keep saying that Kiev is "winning". Yet, the facts on the ground show that Russia holds significant chunks of 4 Oblasts.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AP

    Available, prior U.S. appropriations for Kiev aggression are below $1B

    So they say. Ukraine still also gets funding from Europe.

    You keep saying that Kiev is “winning”. Yet, the facts on the ground show that Russia holds significant chunks of 4 Oblasts.

    Do I keep saying that? Where?

    I said it isn’t losing. It has stopped the Russians, regained some but not all lost territory, and exchanging casualties at a favourable rate. It has opened the shipping corridor. But yes it has not liberated the Crimean corridor.

    Germany still had chunks of various countries in 1944. Would you say it was still winning at that time?

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @A123
    @AP



    You keep saying that Kiev is “winning”.
     
    Do I keep saying that? Where? I said it isn’t losing. It has stopped the Russians, regained some but not all lost territory,
     
    So via an identical logical construct.

    Russia is not losing. They stopped the much vaunted Kiev counter offensive. And, it continues to hold the Crimea land bridge, including the valuable ZNPP.


    exchanging casualties at a favourable rate.
     
    There is little reason to believe this is widely true.

    Specific battles have gone badly for the RF, but on net they seem to be doing better on casualty ratio. Key is that Russia has a much larger population. Even at 1:1 Ukraine would have a manpower disadvantage in capability to replace casualties.


    Ukraine still also gets funding from Europe.
     
    How much? Are France and Germany willing to put in an additional €3-5 Billion per month?

    At current resource levels, to use your verbiage, neither side is losing. And, barring an unlikely massive ramp up from the European Empire, Kiev will have fewer resources in the future.

    It does not take a great deal of insight to detect which way external support is headed. Kiev would do well to negotiate in good faith now.

    PEACE 😇

    , @German_reader
    @AP


    Ukraine still also gets funding from Europe.
     
    Sure, but if Ukraine wants to do another offensive next year (provided it still has the manpower for that), it will need hundreds of additional tanks, APCs and artillery pieces. Where are those supposed to come from? Certainly not from Europe, because the stocks for that don't exist and giving away much more from the inventory of already fragile European militaries would be irresponsible.
    The US of course is sitting on thousands of Abrams tanks, but somehow I doubt they'll be released in great numbers. And of course there's the matter of training Ukrainians to use them.
    There's all this talk about missiles, F-16s and the like, but what are these worth without the more basic elements necessary for offensive operations?
    Given the lack of success of this year's offensive, one has to ask what the strategy now is supposed to be.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

  541. @LatW
    @songbird


    antinatalist
     
    That is a generally Western thing, not solely European. Some of it has to do with the "mass entertainment" and mass media factor (such as the proliferation of porn and the Tinder "culture" - Euros are bad that way too, but the mass media factor makes it much worse) and that actually comes from America. Another big factor on natalism is the neoliberal economy and that is global too - we see the same trend in China.

    expand to Turkey and North Africa
     
    That's not that likely to happen.

    Replies: @songbird

    and mass media factor (such as the proliferation of porn

    I’m not saying I think porn is good – at the very least, it is probably responsible for trannies and the move towards coarser language and culture – all of which I abhor. But I think it is mainly a scapegoat employed by Boomers, when it comes to TFR.

    Believe it is banned both in China and South Korea. (Though not sure how effective ban is.)

    [MORE]

    >expand to Turkey and North Africa

    That’s not that likely to happen.

    Not in the near future, but the Roman Empire encompassed those places. Religion seems like a weak force these days. And Euro nationalism seems fairly absent on a cultural level or among the elites. Plus the population is becoming more MENA.

    If anything the objections seem economic, or about “human rights.” And not about identity. EU is becoming increasingly totalitarian, and there might be workarounds to economic, such as automation and social credits.
    _________
    I wonder why boars are at much higher latitudes in Europe than NA. Pigs were introduced about 500 years ago, but feral ones haven’t made it very far north. Though, I do like turkeys and fear their potential effects on them.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @songbird


    at the very least, it is probably responsible for trannies and the move towards coarser language and culture – all of which I abhor. But I think it is mainly a scapegoat employed by Boomers, when it comes to TFR.
     
    The problem with porn is that it's not real and that it alienates a real man from a real woman.

    Believe it is banned both in China and South Korea. (Though not sure how effective ban is.)
     
    It's probably too late to ban porn in the West (people are already very atomized and the sexes are most likely permanently alienated), but maybe it should be done as an experiment? Ban the dating apps as well (except "Keeper"). And if we wanted to deal with this really seriously, sex and access to women would need to be controlled. But most of us don't want to, so things will stay as they are. Until we are all late colored.

    Anyway, my original point was that there are cultural issues beyond the EU structure that suppress TFRs, not the EU structure itself (even if the leading EU ideology is not desirable). Until quite recently, the TFRs were quite decent in Northern Europe, they might be suppressed now because housing got more expensive after Covid, but I think that happened everywhere globally, not just in the West. Housing went up in places such as Dubai and in parts of Asia.

    the Roman Empire encompassed those places
     
    Of course, the ancient Rome is our mother, but it was still more of a southern empire, and I'm not sure the level of integration in Rome of various provinces was as tight as in the current EU. Obviously, the Roman law was instilled across the provinces, but I'm not sure the movement of people was as intense as in the current EU, as well as legal obligations of the states.

    I think that some MENA states are perfectly ok on their own and stable, such as Tunisia.


    EU is becoming increasingly totalitarian
     
    What exactly do you mean?

    social credits
     
    The thing with social credits (besides the fact that they are not typical for European culture) is that employers will run out of the good people very quickly. The employers and creditors already do a ton of vetting of who is "credit worthy".

    I wonder why boars are at much higher latitudes in Europe than NA. Pigs were introduced about 500 years ago, but feral ones haven’t made it very far north.
     
    Going by what I've heard from some hunters about boars, I would place them quite high in the mythological animal pantheon - maybe even along with wolves. Tacitus wrote in Germania that the boar was the sacred animal for ancient Balts, coming from Tacitus, I will treat this piece of data with some attention and we can keep an open mind about that.

    And the boar is featured in heraldry in some Euro cultures.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @songbird

  542. I find it amusing how the Chinese think they’re so clever, yet they follow the ideology of a bearded German Jew, a “Western barbarian” and have murdered scores of their own people over it.

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Europe Europa

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_Europa

  543. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...Maybe that people without a background in Christian culture have no conscience?
     
    Christianity is not about conscience - it is a complicated attempt to soften the external harshness of life. St. Augustine was open about it and gently advocated hypocrisy and self-lie because it makes things better. An interesting idea that metastasized over time into a peculiar form of Western hypocrisy: the ability to lie not only to deceive others but to feel better about yourself.

    It has been done so much that it seems to have to run its course. The ongoing Pali catastrophe is something West won't be able to shake off - too much hypocrisy combined with patronizing preaching, it has no chance to stick.

    The basic requirement for having conscience, morality, or "values", is that they have to be universal. Any group can create their own, but not applying the same to yourself means that you really have no principles. In that way the Japanese boastful brutality was more natural - but it also didn't work.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Christianity is not about conscience – it is a complicated attempt to soften the external harshness of life.

    Sure, to a large extent it’s about existential terror management, but I don’t think one can discount the influence of Christian guilt culture that easily either. You are too cynical about this imo. As for Western hypocrisy, sure, it exists, quite blatantly so, but you are awfully one-sided about this. Russia, China, Iran etc. also frequently resort to humanitarian cant that is flatly contradicted by many of their own actions. imo the special sins of the West lie more in the fact that its policies are driven by hubris and increasingly disconnected from reality, not so much in any extraordinary mendacity and brutality.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...I don’t think one can discount the influence of Christian guilt culture
     
    My point was that the Christian guilt is a secondary manifestation of consciously wanting to manage that external, inevitable brutality of life. People focus on the guilt part and seldom ask in what context it shows up in the Christian thought.

    Russia, China, Iran etc. also frequently resort to humanitarian cant that is flatly contradicted by many of their own actions.
     
    Russia is a Christian country and its culture has a huge overlap with the Western thought. But you are correct, all cultures resort to humanitarian cant. My sense is that outside of the West people don't necessary believe it - they are more self-aware, closer to our biological core. The elaborate Western need to self-justify and resulting big lies are quite unique. When Japanese or Africans want something they don't go through complex virtue justifications, they just do it. But it is true that today the Western influence is so pervasive that one sees the phenomenon everywhere.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @German_reader

    , @Coconuts
    @German_reader

    I was reading this:



    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tyranny-Guilt-Essay-Western-Masochism/dp/0691143765/ref=sr_1_1?crid=TQVVIR00EO00&keywords=Pascal+Bruckner+Tyranny&qid=1699915437&s=books&sprefix=pascal+bruckner+tyranny%2Cstripbooks%2C90&sr=1-1

    (The original French version is more reasonably priced)

    It was originally written in 2006, he comes from an Enlightenment liberal standpoint. I think what you can say is that all the tendencies he talks about have worsened and the counter-arguments he provides seem weaker now than they would 15 years ago, especially in the Anglo sphere. Even though the points he makes are rational, people just seem to ignore them. Finally in 2006 he still believed the US was an exception to the general trend, now we can see it is a major centre and source of this stuff.

    Replies: @German_reader

  544. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    You're probably right. I recently watched a good flick including Peter Cushing, "The Revenge of Frankenstein", where he played the role of a scion of an old aristocratic family with a presence all over Europe. All three very often played the roles of upper-crust doctors or professors, all very "aristocratic". Was there ever a more dedicated film company than Hammer that specialized in gothic horror?

    Replies: @songbird

    Was there ever a more dedicated film company than Hammer that specialized in gothic horror?

    I should like to think that there are Chinese companies that specialize in WW2 propaganda about the Japanese, but am unsure if that is really the case.

    [MORE]

    BTW, the last horror film I saw was House of the Long Shadows (1983).
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_the_Long_Shadows

    Remarkable for having Cushing, Price, Lee, and Carradine all in the same movie. But only rated 6.2 on IMDB, which I think is fair, as, though I liked certain parts of the plot and the tone, I don’t think the continuity was good.

    It reminded me very much of another movie I once saw. The Old Dark House (1932). Though different in plot, I thought one must be the ripoff of the other, but strangely they are based on two different novels. Maybe, one novel was the ripoff of the other.

  545. @silviosilver
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    He does indeed. But divorced years ago, and he battered her, so can't blame her from wanting to keep him out of the picture. And the two youngest hate him, so he's kinda limited in his ability to help, even if he had the slightest idea how to, which I seriously doubt he does.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Are they Anglo or Ethnic?

    It doesn’t really matter, but pattern recognition has always been important to me.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    The mother is Macedonian and the ex-husband (and kids' father) is Croatian, both born here. The kids don't have any ethnic feelings, interest, knowledge etc. The mother's kinda greasy like me, but the kids look "full white" (an important detail for racial forums lol). I'd guess the dealer is Anglo from his name (it's not either of these, but imagine something like Lachlan or Hamish - names only Anglos would ever give their kids), but looks mixed with something, definitely not textbook Anglo-Saxon. No idea what the kids' friends' backgrounds are, but the parents' circle is almost fully either ex-Yu or Anglo.

    I heard more stupidities from them today. Mother kicked the youngest daughter out today in order to "teach her a lesson," while also admitting it's unlikely to help make anything better. I can see myself getting dragged into this as a supposed "voice of reason." Intellectually I know I'd be better off distancing myself and letting people sort their own lives out, but I have a soft spot for people of my/similar background - anyone else I'd turn my back with ease.

    I've done it for far worse people than this. There's one Serb guy, an absolute lowlife jailbird (tatts on his face - nice) who I reluctantly became "friends" with (he took a liking to me and I let him get close) and who I've had a few heart-to-heart drinking sessions with him and tried to help him mend his ways a bit. It was a total waste of time and I regret spending a single second on him. How in hell anyone can look at the way people like this live and not view "eugenics" - defined simply as policies that result in a eugenic fertility differential - as a gift from on high astonishes me.

  546. @Europe Europa
    I find it amusing how the Chinese think they're so clever, yet they follow the ideology of a bearded German Jew, a "Western barbarian" and have murdered scores of their own people over it.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

  547. @AP
    @A123


    Available, prior U.S. appropriations for Kiev aggression are below $1B
     
    So they say. Ukraine still also gets funding from Europe.

    You keep saying that Kiev is “winning”. Yet, the facts on the ground show that Russia holds significant chunks of 4 Oblasts.
     
    Do I keep saying that? Where?

    I said it isn’t losing. It has stopped the Russians, regained some but not all lost territory, and exchanging casualties at a favourable rate. It has opened the shipping corridor. But yes it has not liberated the Crimean corridor.

    Germany still had chunks of various countries in 1944. Would you say it was still winning at that time?

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader

    You keep saying that Kiev is “winning”.

    Do I keep saying that? Where? I said it isn’t losing. It has stopped the Russians, regained some but not all lost territory,

    So via an identical logical construct.

    Russia is not losing. They stopped the much vaunted Kiev counter offensive. And, it continues to hold the Crimea land bridge, including the valuable ZNPP.

    exchanging casualties at a favourable rate.

    There is little reason to believe this is widely true.

    Specific battles have gone badly for the RF, but on net they seem to be doing better on casualty ratio. Key is that Russia has a much larger population. Even at 1:1 Ukraine would have a manpower disadvantage in capability to replace casualties.

    Ukraine still also gets funding from Europe.

    How much? Are France and Germany willing to put in an additional €3-5 Billion per month?

    At current resource levels, to use your verbiage, neither side is losing. And, barring an unlikely massive ramp up from the European Empire, Kiev will have fewer resources in the future.

    It does not take a great deal of insight to detect which way external support is headed. Kiev would do well to negotiate in good faith now.

    PEACE 😇

  548. @silviosilver
    So I caught up with old friend for drinks tonight. I have some working class friends like her, but none of whose lives I take much interest in. But I was friends with this woman's ex-husband and I got to know her quite well, so I'm much more willing to help carry the conversation when it turns to common working class sort of themes/problems that have come up in her life (rather than changing the subject, as I often do). I knew about some of things that were going badly for her, and have felt sorry for that she never made it out of that cycle of frankly rather easily-solved (or avoided) problems - since she clearly has the brains for that - but until tonight I didn't realize just how bad it all was.

    A couple of weeks ago we were at a party near her house and I decided to sleep there rather than risk driving, and while I was there her youngest daughter, 16, was begging her to allow her to buy a vape, which she adamantly refused. The mother walked out of the room at one point and her daughter said softly to me "little does she know, I've already got one." I didn't want to give the daughter's secret away, but I wanted to clue the mother in that was more going on than she knew, so I came up with the idea of telling my friend, "your daughter told me a secret but I can't say what it is," thinking that she would then ask her about it and they could argue it out between themselves, and I wouldn't like look like the bad guy to either one of them.

    Well, I never got around to saying that, but it doesn't matter anyway, because the real problems they were having that I learned about tonight make that a laughably irrelevant trifle. Turns out her youngest daughter had boys at the house while my friend was away this weekend (including a black guy, which she is totally opposed to) who stayed the night; she found her stash of vapes; found out she's been smoking weed, which her sister's boyfriend (who is a dealer, of more than just weed) had been giving her; and had not only already lost her virginity but had a reputation as a slut.

    Then the eldest daughter (who is a cut above the other two) joined us while the mother was commiserating with me over drinks about the tough turns life can take and many more stories came out. I was attentive and understanding, listening more than offering "solutions" (which is pointless to tell females in that state of mind, or even in any state of mind lol), but all the same I couldn't help feeling a bit down about how stupidly and mindlessly working class people (in particular, but they're not alone) allow their lives to enter virtual death spirals.

    This is why I've never been able to take socialism seriously. I completely fail to see what difference it would make if my friend's income was boosted by, say, 50%. That's a significant boost and it would certainly be welcome, but the idea that the added income would have enabled my friend and her and family to avoid the kind of problems they're having (and I've left a lot unsaid here) strikes me as utterly fantastical. To me, it's plainly obvious their problems are a direct result of their habitual "stinkin' thinkin'".

    I consider it a great pity that leftists, who it's true tend to care much more about helping the little people than conservatives do, dissipate their energies on trying to raise working class incomes rather than focusing on imparting "life strategies" that would actually help people lead better lives - especially since improving the lot of the working class largely involves avoiding easily avoidable mistakes. (I think teaching someone to not do something is generally much easier than trying to teach them to do something, like some skill which may well be beyond them - hard to know till you try, of course. Eg "learn algebra!"- if we're talking about "everyone," ah yeah ,good luck.)

    The optimist in me finds it quite sad to think that some families seem set to repeat the same cycle of dispiriting dramas, generation after generation - especially when solutions to at least half those problems are already at hand. I often post here in a way that makes me sound very coldhearted and uncaring about other people - and I definitely have some of that in me - but at the same time, it really does perplex me to think how totally unnecessarily many people ruin their own lives.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @German_reader, @Coconuts, @Sher Singh

    Australia should learn some lessons from its Asian neighbors and execute drug dealers.

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @German_reader

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Tuong_Nguyen

    , @songbird
    @German_reader

    *let them go on walkabout in the Outback.

  549. German_reader says:
    @AP
    @A123


    Available, prior U.S. appropriations for Kiev aggression are below $1B
     
    So they say. Ukraine still also gets funding from Europe.

    You keep saying that Kiev is “winning”. Yet, the facts on the ground show that Russia holds significant chunks of 4 Oblasts.
     
    Do I keep saying that? Where?

    I said it isn’t losing. It has stopped the Russians, regained some but not all lost territory, and exchanging casualties at a favourable rate. It has opened the shipping corridor. But yes it has not liberated the Crimean corridor.

    Germany still had chunks of various countries in 1944. Would you say it was still winning at that time?

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader

    Ukraine still also gets funding from Europe.

    Sure, but if Ukraine wants to do another offensive next year (provided it still has the manpower for that), it will need hundreds of additional tanks, APCs and artillery pieces. Where are those supposed to come from? Certainly not from Europe, because the stocks for that don’t exist and giving away much more from the inventory of already fragile European militaries would be irresponsible.
    The US of course is sitting on thousands of Abrams tanks, but somehow I doubt they’ll be released in great numbers. And of course there’s the matter of training Ukrainians to use them.
    There’s all this talk about missiles, F-16s and the like, but what are these worth without the more basic elements necessary for offensive operations?
    Given the lack of success of this year’s offensive, one has to ask what the strategy now is supposed to be.

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    Biden is planning to fund Ukraine with $60 billion. https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-mulls-60-bln-ukraine-10-bln-israel-funding-request-source-2023-10-18/

    Also, the production of the weapons and ammunition in the West will begin ramping in 2024/2025/2026. 155mm production will ramp in 2025.

    Putin will be president until at least 2030. If China starts to give weapons to Russia, there would then be weapons supply for both sides.

    So, this year is a relatively small level of the war as the weapons supply is low and cost is high of moving over minefields and trenches. But war will be continuing for years probably as the supply of weapons increases also.

    It could become more of artillery fighting or something different in the next years. In the Iran-Iraq war they also using fighting with trenches in the second year. After some years, they are bombing cities with missiles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Cities

    Replies: @A123, @Sean

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader


    Certainly not from Europe, because the stocks for that don’t exist and giving away much more from the inventory of already fragile European militaries would be irresponsible.
     
    Can Europeans boost arms production?
    , @AP
    @German_reader


    Given the lack of success of this year’s offensive, one has to ask what the strategy now is supposed to be.
     
    While not much ground has changed, there is a question about how much casualties the Russians are suffering relative to the Ukrainians. If the ratio is consistently heavily in Ukraine's favor, in terms of both men and equipment, the current territorial stalemate may mask the actual situation. We won't know that until something (or nothing) happens in the next few months.
  550. @German_reader
    @silviosilver

    Australia should learn some lessons from its Asian neighbors and execute drug dealers.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @songbird

  551. Sunak has sacked Braverman. Some say that she is setting herself up to succeed him.

    What caste are they both?

    Sunak married a Brahmin, so some think he is one. (But I am not sure.) Am thinking Braverman isn’t one.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @songbird

    Sunak married a Brahmin, so some think he is one. (But I am not sure.) Am thinking Braverman isn’t one.

    No, she's even named after a character from Dallas, so not likely Brahmin in any way. Her husband is Jewish. She said the other day he has relatives serving in the IDF.

    The famous, or perhaps infamous, German biographer of Putin, Hubert Seipel, is under attack for getting some Kremlin-linked funding. Link

    Of course, we've seen with the Russia Collusion Hoax that Western media and intelligence services will make such accusations, and will continue repeating them even when found to be untrue, so who knows.

  552. @German_reader
    @silviosilver

    Australia should learn some lessons from its Asian neighbors and execute drug dealers.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @songbird

    *let them go on walkabout in the Outback.

  553. Sher Singh says:

    Sword/Knife Update-

    Found a 2.5ft Tegh I had bought in 2014.
    Sheath bit broken but quick draw.

    Fixed it up & tested it out.

    The Cold Steel Talwar still cuts better.

    Easy strokes through 1-2″ branches.

    Lost my flashlight – Sofirn SC31.
    High is like 350 Lumens Medium is 150.
    Mostly used it on medium.

    Ordered a bunch of $30-40 lights off Aliexpress from the same company to test.
    That’s $10 less in USD.

    [MORE]

    Moved the Brass Talwar back into the Blue Gatra (Baldric).

    Random Katana photo

    ਅਕਾਲ

  554. @A123
    @Greasy William


    The Israel stuff is also devastating to Biden. There is no chance that the Muslims in Michigan are going to turn out for Joe after the way he has backed the Gaza op,
     
    In an amazing feat, Not-The-President Biden has also come out as an anti-semite opposing the Gaza op by demanding multi-day "humanitarian" cease fires.

    There is no chance that Jews will turn out for Biden. Life long Dems are switching parties. Here is an Alan Dershowitz highlight from a prior OT, follow the link for the full article: (1)



    The silence of some Democrats, President Biden's administration and America's foremost liberal institutions in response to an eruption of left-wing anti-Zionism and Jew hatred is gut-wrenching.

    It is nothing short of betrayal and Americans Jews must not move forward without a reckoning.
     


     
    Extreme SJW🏳️‍🌈Muslim symbolism is present in America. Look at this display outside Rashida Tlaib's office.

     
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh548Ht9ESBUm_bDa0uTQBqq8QmAwIT2-9mC-F0pR3U3WKPqeYfyr-eufI3oTZxloQdfR9me-icXenvlHvTEP8dgScABCEjJbdykdg4AkyApbywJf3GGAvfB_WGJm-3FwhvHgdzjCkjF93BrxPUc5WX-dQ7_FcEP1DTFA82Oe_GY0LsPSXQQckFU-8EE64/s497/1%20sdasfdsfd.jpg
     

    The Democrat party is a bundle of massive contradictions held together by obedience, passion, and dogma. The zealotry becomes more shrill each year. This type of craziness pushes people out. Look how many "feminists" are leaving the Dems because they want their daughters' sports teams to be male free.

    MAGA converting the GOP to the party of workers made the DNC the party of MegaCorporations. Openly espousing migration as a threat to employment is on its face good policy. It also creates more rifts in the Democrat party.
    ___

    Hopefully it will be a blowout so we do not spend more time fighting DNC election fraud. The GOP looks good to take the Senate, including enough MAGA seats to considerably weaken the RINO's.

    Everyone serious grasps that Trump's 1st term was in part sabotaged by Mitch McConnell forcing his people into the administration. Most notably his wife Elaine Chao and warmonger John Bolton. Sadly, low-IQ yahoo #NeverTrump fools cannot grasp this simple fact.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-233/#comment-6247260

    Replies: @Greasy William

    In an amazing feat, Not-The-President Biden has also come out as an anti-semite opposing the Gaza op by demanding multi-day “humanitarian” cease fires.

    In the Jewish people’s darkest hour since the Holocaust, Biden was there for us. That washes away all of his other sins, as far as I’m concerned. Yes, Biden is a senile pedophile who repeatedly sexually assaulted his own daughter, but he has earned himself a pass for all that

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Greasy William

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/690/934/643

    , @A123
    @Greasy William

    You have an odd definition of "was there for".

    Not-The-President Biden sent Blinken to meet Abbas. The call for a cease fire was a deliberate attempt to undermine Palestinian Jews.

     
    https://newvision-media.s3.amazonaws.com/cms/f2c86a36-0e3a-4ed9-8a1f-76bcb2170bcc.jpg
     

    The Veggie-in-Chief gave $6 Billion to Iran. Not only is the money a gigantic mistake, the symbolism showed massive weakness.

    Jews are wisely abandoning the anti-Semitic Democrat party.

    PEACE 😇

  555. @AP
    @Mikhail


    The recent Time article on Zelensky and Economist piece regarding Zaluzhny reveal the otherwise obvious
     
    First was an article by Arestovych, a disgruntled guy who had been kicked out of Zelensky’s inner circle. Second was an interview by a man with an agenda of getting more aid and better weapons.

    A thinking person, which you are not, would take neither at face value.

    Let me guess: when people interested in getting more money for the US defence industry wrote about America being outclassed by the Russian military - you believed that, too.

    The Kiev regime has incurred quite significant armed combatant casualty figures
     
    I’m sure they did. 80,000 - 120,000 KIA is significant and very tragic. (though come to think of, the low estimate could be lower, maybe 70,000)

    300,000 or 500,000 KIA (MacGregor? Ritter? I lost track), which would be about a million or more casualties, is a number only for morons.

    A thinking person, which you are not, would wonder how Ukraine managed not only to not crumble, but to hold the Russians back while losing a million or so men killed and injured. Or how it’s economy has grown this year.

    Here is Kiev in 2023:

    https://youtu.be/zyb8nDARRTw?si=raRfmI4-DVy1OttS

    https://youtu.be/75_FfQGIlvk?si=wJ-sVeY-xhUOvKZc

    Quite a few men going about their business. Dumb Mikhail thinks they must all be dead, injured or in the army, but there they are.

    Yeah, looks like a country where a million people have been casualties.

    thereby explaining the numerous videos of press gangs trying to round up recruits and recent efforts to get women to play a more active fighting role
     
    Conscription exists. Do you think 300,000 Americans died in the Vietnam war because a bunch of people fled to Canada?

    Do you think 300,000 Israelis have died because Israel has female soldiers?

    :::::

    I also think that the figure of 300,000 dead Russians is not realistic, though it may be half of that or slightly more than half. Russia would implement mass mobilisation or would leave if it lost 300,000 killed.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mikhail, @Sean

    It’s a small video in the center of the capital city so not a representative sample, but this second video looks like it could indicate a lot of gender disbalance, with floods of young women around ages of 18-25. There cannot be seen so many military age men.

    Although flooding of the city by young women is normal in the postsoviet capital cities, as they are more geographically mobile compared to young men, also visit the center of the city for shopping and coffee.

    But it looks like more gender disbalance than normal, with women groups walking in the streets in Kiev, which could be influence of the war. In the peacetime postsoviet students’ culture, it’s also normally common to go to the city in mix-gender groups.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Dmitry


    It’s a small video in the center of the capital city so not a representative sample
     
    It's the first ones I found when looking for Kyiv 2023. It's better to look at downtowns because then you see people.

    this second video looks like it could indicate a lot of gender disbalance, with floods of young women around ages of 18-25. There cannot be seen so many military age men.
     
    Really? Where?

    Plenty of males in the beginning, 1:13 a few of them around their motorcycles, some at 3:51.

    I haven't counted, I wouldn't doubt that there is an imbalance but it does not seem to be a great one.

    Lviv 2023:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ItPQj8zz3k

    guys waiting to get into a pub at :22, plenty of men going about their business at 1:12, look at all the males at the cafe at 1:50.

    Dnipropetrovsk 2023:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KIoaKzKNHE

    Definitely more women than men in this city. But men are far from absent.

    Note that in addition to men being present in numbers, they aren't hiding out of fear of being mobilized, either (s0me gullible idiots believe that in an to a million casualties the few remaining men in Ukraine fear getting kidnapped and forced into the army).

    Replies: @Dmitry

  556. @songbird
    @LatW


    and mass media factor (such as the proliferation of porn
     
    I'm not saying I think porn is good - at the very least, it is probably responsible for trannies and the move towards coarser language and culture - all of which I abhor. But I think it is mainly a scapegoat employed by Boomers, when it comes to TFR.

    Believe it is banned both in China and South Korea. (Though not sure how effective ban is.)

    >expand to Turkey and North Africa

    That’s not that likely to happen.
     
    Not in the near future, but the Roman Empire encompassed those places. Religion seems like a weak force these days. And Euro nationalism seems fairly absent on a cultural level or among the elites. Plus the population is becoming more MENA.

    If anything the objections seem economic, or about "human rights." And not about identity. EU is becoming increasingly totalitarian, and there might be workarounds to economic, such as automation and social credits.
    _________
    I wonder why boars are at much higher latitudes in Europe than NA. Pigs were introduced about 500 years ago, but feral ones haven't made it very far north. Though, I do like turkeys and fear their potential effects on them.

    Replies: @LatW

    at the very least, it is probably responsible for trannies and the move towards coarser language and culture – all of which I abhor. But I think it is mainly a scapegoat employed by Boomers, when it comes to TFR.

    The problem with porn is that it’s not real and that it alienates a real man from a real woman.

    Believe it is banned both in China and South Korea. (Though not sure how effective ban is.)

    It’s probably too late to ban porn in the West (people are already very atomized and the sexes are most likely permanently alienated), but maybe it should be done as an experiment? Ban the dating apps as well (except “Keeper”). And if we wanted to deal with this really seriously, sex and access to women would need to be controlled. But most of us don’t want to, so things will stay as they are. Until we are all late colored.

    [MORE]

    Anyway, my original point was that there are cultural issues beyond the EU structure that suppress TFRs, not the EU structure itself (even if the leading EU ideology is not desirable). Until quite recently, the TFRs were quite decent in Northern Europe, they might be suppressed now because housing got more expensive after Covid, but I think that happened everywhere globally, not just in the West. Housing went up in places such as Dubai and in parts of Asia.

    the Roman Empire encompassed those places

    Of course, the ancient Rome is our mother, but it was still more of a southern empire, and I’m not sure the level of integration in Rome of various provinces was as tight as in the current EU. Obviously, the Roman law was instilled across the provinces, but I’m not sure the movement of people was as intense as in the current EU, as well as legal obligations of the states.

    I think that some MENA states are perfectly ok on their own and stable, such as Tunisia.

    EU is becoming increasingly totalitarian

    What exactly do you mean?

    social credits

    The thing with social credits (besides the fact that they are not typical for European culture) is that employers will run out of the good people very quickly. The employers and creditors already do a ton of vetting of who is “credit worthy”.

    I wonder why boars are at much higher latitudes in Europe than NA. Pigs were introduced about 500 years ago, but feral ones haven’t made it very far north.

    Going by what I’ve heard from some hunters about boars, I would place them quite high in the mythological animal pantheon – maybe even along with wolves. Tacitus wrote in Germania that the boar was the sacred animal for ancient Balts, coming from Tacitus, I will treat this piece of data with some attention and we can keep an open mind about that.

    And the boar is featured in heraldry in some Euro cultures.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @LatW


    The problem with porn is that it’s not real and that it alienates a real man from a real woman.
     
    I'm not gonna lie: I don't want a real woman

    Replies: @LatW

    , @songbird
    @LatW

    Porn is supposedly illegal in Ukraine, but am not sure at present as Wikipedia mentions some 2023 bill proposed to make it legal.

    Banning porn would certainly be an interesting experiment. I wonder if it would lead to revolution or higher T causing political changes. But probably not.

    I suspect the pill has been at least 20x more destructive.

    I like the idea of using porn as a potential carrot for remigration, or the migration of hedonists.


    But most of us don’t want to, so things will stay as they are. Until we are all late colored.

     

    Late colored?

    What exactly do you mean?
     
    surely, you have heard of the hate speech stuff? They were just recently trying to intimidate Musk over Gaza.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67097020

    Replies: @LatW

  557. @AP
    @Beckow


    It is too late now: Kiev is losing
     
    Have you been saying that since the war started? How has that worked out?

    First you predicted that Ukrainians wouldn’t fight and the elites would all flee. Now you desperately repeat to yourself that Kiev is losing.

    You are waiting for a coup in Russia, miracle weapons, maybe Putin dying (that would make little difference)
     
    Which of those got the USA out of Vietnam and Iraq, or the USSR out of Afghanistan and Eastern Europe? As long as Ukraine does not surrender (something it’s people, who are not like you, do not want to do) various factors can eventually lead to a reasonable peace.

    Prigozhin was a minor joke compared to the internal struggle in Kiev

     

    Prigozhin’s mutiny involved the capture of a large city and HQ of an army group.

    Remind me about how this is happening in Ukraine.

    You are sounding desperate, and try to grasp anything you see.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow

    Ok, let’s reverse it: is Kiev winning? My point that you abbreviated was that Ukraine was in better position to get a good deal before they started to lose the war – the best time was before the war.

    Is Kiev winning now? How low do you have to define “winning” to claim that? This is not like Iraq or Vietnam – it is a traditional war between regular armies. You are hoping that guerilla warfare would happen if Kiev loses more territory; some would, but I doubt enough to make much difference. Demography and geography are completely different.

    Prigozhin captured a city? Really? What for like 1-2 days Wagner tanks surrounded the local gment building and then left. Quite a “capture”…the internal back-biting within the Kiev ruling circle is more dangerous.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    My point that you abbreviated was that Ukraine was in better position to get a good deal before they started to lose the war – the best time was before the war.
     
    Before the war Russia demanded regime change (it claimed the Ukrainian government was full of Nazis and demanded deNazification), demilitarisation, and for Russia to decide Ukrainian internal policies (regarding education, etc.). Regime change according to Russia’s liking meant Belarusianization. Which would have meant flipping from EU to Eurasian Customs Union. Ukraine would have been intact, sure, but it would have been about as independent as the Warsaw Pact countries were during the Cold War.

    Ukrainians were willing to fight to prevent that from happening.

    Is Kiev winning now?

     

    Relative to Russia’s goals and relative to the early part of the war, yes.

    But it of course has not won. And it (as is Russia) is worse off than it had been in 2021. So in that sense both countries are losing.

    This is not like Iraq or Vietnam – it is a traditional war between regular armies. You are hoping that guerilla warfare would happen if Kiev loses more territory
     
    I did not mention guerrilla warfare.

    Yes, it’s a conventional war between regular armies. One like this hasn’t happened for 80 years in Europe. In modern times such wars have involved unmatched opponents and therefore have been quick and fairly bloodless for the victor - USA defeated the Iraqi army and occupied the entire country in 5 weeks.

    This is the first time there is such a war that is lasting for almost two years (and almost certainly will go beyond 2 years). Recently, only guerrilla wars have lasted this long.

    Countries can collapse or withdraw eventually in such wars, though because there haven’t been such wars recently we have to go back in time to find examples. Russia did it in 1917 (it was actually gaining ground when it’s soldiers just refused to fight), Germany gave up in 1918 despite still controlling a lot of territory beyond German lands. Japan didn’t capture more than peripheral places like Sakhalin before Russia gave up, after losing 55,000 dead. At some point people will collectively decide that it isn’t worth it.

    Ukrainians are fighting for their homes, so they will last longer than guys from Siberia sent to get their guts blown out in some Kherson field.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

  558. @Greasy William
    @A123


    In an amazing feat, Not-The-President Biden has also come out as an anti-semite opposing the Gaza op by demanding multi-day “humanitarian” cease fires.
     
    In the Jewish people's darkest hour since the Holocaust, Biden was there for us. That washes away all of his other sins, as far as I'm concerned. Yes, Biden is a senile pedophile who repeatedly sexually assaulted his own daughter, but he has earned himself a pass for all that

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

  559. @German_reader
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Title looks sensationalist tbh, and the assertions dubious...thirty million killed by the Japanese? You'd probably have to count all sort of war-related deaths, not just atrocities in the narrow sense, to get even close to that number. The author also has a history of making exaggerated theses (he's best-known for his book about "Hitler's Jewish soldiers" after all), so I'm skeptical. But still thanks for the recommendation.


    Hitler’s SS Death’s Head outfits attempted to hide their atrocities, Hirohito’s legions committed their atrocities out in the open with fanfare and enthusiasm.
     
    Douglas Murray recently made that argument about Hamas. It may not be completely wrong (it's true that there was some awareness among leading Nazis that their actions were transgressive by traditional moral standards), but I still find it strange and wonder what its point is. Maybe that people without a background in Christian (or "Judeo-Christian") culture have no conscience? Maybe no souls either?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Dmitry

    background in Christian (or “Judeo-Christian”) culture

    In the West, Nazism is usually viewed as rejection of the Enlightenment/modern Christianity/Western civilization. So, it’s usually viewed as a return to primitivism or “caveman ideology”. But, in the postwar Soviet view after the Iron Curtain, it was promoted like “Nazism is the heart of the Western capitalism”, “Hitler is the real face of bourgeois democracy”.

    In our forum, you could see the Soviet educated users like AnoninTN and Bashibuzuk have this view.

    For example, AnoninTN writes to us “all of Europe has united to invade Russia every century”, viewing Nazi Germany as representative of Europe or ancestor of NATO/EU.

    Although I think Bashibuzuk was just trolling AP as it would be scientifically ignorant including in terms of understanding of what is being measured, a few months ago writing Western Europeans are “genocidal genetically” because of having more paternal haplogroups from some ancient populations which some people have a hypothesize might have killed some other populations around 4500 years in the past.

    culture have no conscience? Maybe no souls either?

    They don’t have European, Christian or Enlightenment social norms or culture background in many of the third world countries compared to the developed countries. In parts of the 21st century Arab world, it would be still common to celebrate killing of civilians if they are in the enemy tribe without viewing this as a socially taboo.

    While in the 20th century Europe this would be usually socially taboo, although they could still present it as a military objective. For example, bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki would be to kill civilians, but there would be socially taboo in the general for Americans to not celebrate with champagne “we killed civilians, we are happy”, even if they had believed that privately.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Dmitry


    Although I think Bashibuzuk was just trolling AP as it would be scientifically ignorant including in terms of understanding of what is being measured, a few months ago writing Western Europeans are “genocidal genetically” because of having more paternal haplogroups from some ancient populations which some people have a hypothesize might have killed some other populations around 4500 years in the past.
     
    I remember Bashibuzuk mentioning the ideas of Anatole Klyosov on this. I found a book compilation of some of his papers on DNA genealogy on Google books a while back, it contains a summary of his ideas on this Bronze Age migrations topic.
  560. @LatW
    @songbird


    at the very least, it is probably responsible for trannies and the move towards coarser language and culture – all of which I abhor. But I think it is mainly a scapegoat employed by Boomers, when it comes to TFR.
     
    The problem with porn is that it's not real and that it alienates a real man from a real woman.

    Believe it is banned both in China and South Korea. (Though not sure how effective ban is.)
     
    It's probably too late to ban porn in the West (people are already very atomized and the sexes are most likely permanently alienated), but maybe it should be done as an experiment? Ban the dating apps as well (except "Keeper"). And if we wanted to deal with this really seriously, sex and access to women would need to be controlled. But most of us don't want to, so things will stay as they are. Until we are all late colored.

    Anyway, my original point was that there are cultural issues beyond the EU structure that suppress TFRs, not the EU structure itself (even if the leading EU ideology is not desirable). Until quite recently, the TFRs were quite decent in Northern Europe, they might be suppressed now because housing got more expensive after Covid, but I think that happened everywhere globally, not just in the West. Housing went up in places such as Dubai and in parts of Asia.

    the Roman Empire encompassed those places
     
    Of course, the ancient Rome is our mother, but it was still more of a southern empire, and I'm not sure the level of integration in Rome of various provinces was as tight as in the current EU. Obviously, the Roman law was instilled across the provinces, but I'm not sure the movement of people was as intense as in the current EU, as well as legal obligations of the states.

    I think that some MENA states are perfectly ok on their own and stable, such as Tunisia.


    EU is becoming increasingly totalitarian
     
    What exactly do you mean?

    social credits
     
    The thing with social credits (besides the fact that they are not typical for European culture) is that employers will run out of the good people very quickly. The employers and creditors already do a ton of vetting of who is "credit worthy".

    I wonder why boars are at much higher latitudes in Europe than NA. Pigs were introduced about 500 years ago, but feral ones haven’t made it very far north.
     
    Going by what I've heard from some hunters about boars, I would place them quite high in the mythological animal pantheon - maybe even along with wolves. Tacitus wrote in Germania that the boar was the sacred animal for ancient Balts, coming from Tacitus, I will treat this piece of data with some attention and we can keep an open mind about that.

    And the boar is featured in heraldry in some Euro cultures.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @songbird

    The problem with porn is that it’s not real and that it alienates a real man from a real woman.

    I’m not gonna lie: I don’t want a real woman

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Greasy William

    Oh yea? :) Is that why you talk about them all the time? :) It's ok, Greasy, it's not like you have to have one. This is one of those wonderful things where it's optional. It's just that most men do.

    As to your other comment, re: Biden and the attack - this is something that goes way beyond US party politics, the mainstream of both parties and their leadership are very supportive (and there are jerks in both parties).

    Replies: @Greasy William

  561. @Greasy William
    @A123


    In an amazing feat, Not-The-President Biden has also come out as an anti-semite opposing the Gaza op by demanding multi-day “humanitarian” cease fires.
     
    In the Jewish people's darkest hour since the Holocaust, Biden was there for us. That washes away all of his other sins, as far as I'm concerned. Yes, Biden is a senile pedophile who repeatedly sexually assaulted his own daughter, but he has earned himself a pass for all that

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    You have an odd definition of “was there for”.

    Not-The-President Biden sent Blinken to meet Abbas. The call for a cease fire was a deliberate attempt to undermine Palestinian Jews.

      

    The Veggie-in-Chief gave $6 Billion to Iran. Not only is the money a gigantic mistake, the symbolism showed massive weakness.

    Jews are wisely abandoning the anti-Semitic Democrat party.

    PEACE 😇

  562. @German_reader
    @AP


    Ukraine still also gets funding from Europe.
     
    Sure, but if Ukraine wants to do another offensive next year (provided it still has the manpower for that), it will need hundreds of additional tanks, APCs and artillery pieces. Where are those supposed to come from? Certainly not from Europe, because the stocks for that don't exist and giving away much more from the inventory of already fragile European militaries would be irresponsible.
    The US of course is sitting on thousands of Abrams tanks, but somehow I doubt they'll be released in great numbers. And of course there's the matter of training Ukrainians to use them.
    There's all this talk about missiles, F-16s and the like, but what are these worth without the more basic elements necessary for offensive operations?
    Given the lack of success of this year's offensive, one has to ask what the strategy now is supposed to be.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    Biden is planning to fund Ukraine with $60 billion. https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-mulls-60-bln-ukraine-10-bln-israel-funding-request-source-2023-10-18/

    Also, the production of the weapons and ammunition in the West will begin ramping in 2024/2025/2026. 155mm production will ramp in 2025.

    Putin will be president until at least 2030. If China starts to give weapons to Russia, there would then be weapons supply for both sides.

    So, this year is a relatively small level of the war as the weapons supply is low and cost is high of moving over minefields and trenches. But war will be continuing for years probably as the supply of weapons increases also.

    It could become more of artillery fighting or something different in the next years. In the Iran-Iraq war they also using fighting with trenches in the second year. After some years, they are bombing cities with missiles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Cities

    • Replies: @A123
    @Dmitry


    Biden is planning to fund Ukraine with $60 billion.
     
    Better phrasing would be:

    Not-The-President Biden is planning to *ask* Congress to fund Ukraine with $60 billion.


    The answer from the U.S. House will be a resounding *NO*. The next round of government finding will again have ZERO for Ukraine. The next window opens in early February of next year. At that time the Veggie-in-Chief might obtain a small fraction of that amount.

    Money for Kiev aggression is not a priority during a Presidential election campaign. Israel has already displaced Ukraine as the foreign policy priority. And, domestic issues will rapidly supersede both of those as the election approaches.
    ___

    Let me ask you the questions that the Ukie Maximalists keep refusing to answer.

    Are France and Germany willing to put in an additional €3-5 Billion per month?

    If not, please explain how Kiev is going to fight with little to no external support?

    PEACE 😇
    , @Sean
    @Dmitry

    The US is a regional hegemon, not a global ordering power. So there is no (Western) rules based order to overthrow in Ukraine. If Russia is defeated in Ukraine then the status of Russia will be degraded not back to its default. There seems to be a lot of evil in the world still, despite all the Good wars so however Russia versus Ukraine might plausibly end it will not be a final battle of good against evil .

    Be it ever so malevolent the Russian system and standpoint can't be made to disappear by any prudent (indirect) support for Ukraine,. Russia has the strategic space and propinquity to continue a war against Ukraine from Russia proper, so even if Ukraine pushed the Russian army out of all Ukrainian territory; how could Russia be made to accept its failure and end the war? Only a direct American intervention going to the last extremity might produce capitulation by Russia to Ukraine's terms and signing of a peace treaty. Removal of the Kaiser and Germany coming apart did not solve France's Germany problem for long, and Putin's "brittle" regime ending might solve Ukraine's Russia problem, but probably wouldn't.

    I cannot understand how on earth can we make it a short sharp war that Russia loses, because very little in history suggests Russia would concede total irrevocable defeat after any conceivable victory by Ukraine. It is always going to be open to the Russian army to withdraw without ending the war, and try a new strategy. Fantastic as it may seem, the Russian (outnumbered 4:1 on the ground in East Europe) do not see themselves as Imperialist, they see themselves as defending against an overwhelmingly more powerful assemblage of Ukraine and its Western supporters. Of course in theory the loss of Russian soldiers could accumulate until it reached a level that made Russia politically unstable. Yet, such considerations cut both ways , and were their causalities to become thought unsustainable it would always be an option for the Russians to stand on the defensive, which is generally accepted to impose attrition favourable to the defender on the opponent (AOTBE).

    Some people might say that, apart few limited battles, standing on defence is what Russia has basically been doing. Anyway, I suspect Zelensky is not immune from popular discontent over casualties, and were they to reach certain levels Ukraine could see a coup. Also it the losses get to much for Ukraine then they can cease mounting costly operations. To be clear I am dubious about either country collapsing politically or militarily as a result. The most likely outcome is the war will reach a crescendo of casualties, then long range missiles/ drone attacked on Russia and Ukraine's infrastructure will be tried, and after the lack of worthwhile results for anyone from all the destruction is apparent, the war will very slowly begin to run down. So the outlook for the Russia-Ukraine war is nothing is going to happen. A lot.

  563. @Greasy William
    @LatW


    The problem with porn is that it’s not real and that it alienates a real man from a real woman.
     
    I'm not gonna lie: I don't want a real woman

    Replies: @LatW

    Oh yea? 🙂 Is that why you talk about them all the time? 🙂 It’s ok, Greasy, it’s not like you have to have one. This is one of those wonderful things where it’s optional. It’s just that most men do.

    As to your other comment, re: Biden and the attack – this is something that goes way beyond US party politics, the mainstream of both parties and their leadership are very supportive (and there are jerks in both parties).

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @LatW

    I always knew that I never wanted to marry or have children, even from the time I was small child. The longest relationship I was in only lasted 2 weeks and that was absolute torture. She was a nice girl but I just couldn't do it.

    I'm what they call "aromantic", it's a real condition. I am literally incapable of feeling romantic love.

    Replies: @LatW

  564. @LatW
    @Greasy William

    Oh yea? :) Is that why you talk about them all the time? :) It's ok, Greasy, it's not like you have to have one. This is one of those wonderful things where it's optional. It's just that most men do.

    As to your other comment, re: Biden and the attack - this is something that goes way beyond US party politics, the mainstream of both parties and their leadership are very supportive (and there are jerks in both parties).

    Replies: @Greasy William

    I always knew that I never wanted to marry or have children, even from the time I was small child. The longest relationship I was in only lasted 2 weeks and that was absolute torture. She was a nice girl but I just couldn’t do it.

    I’m what they call “aromantic”, it’s a real condition. I am literally incapable of feeling romantic love.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Greasy William


    The longest relationship I was in only lasted 2 weeks and that was absolute torture. She was a nice girl but I just couldn’t do it.
     
    Well, at least you were honest to yourself and her, and good that you bailed already after 2 weeks, instead of dragging it out longer.

    I’m what they call “aromantic”, it’s a real condition. I am literally incapable of feeling romantic love.
     
    Bummer. I've never heard of that (I've only heard of "ahedonia" - the lack of happiness). Although life might be much easier for people like you unlike for us, hopeless romantics - you can at least remain indifferent. And it must be so easy to walk away, what a relief that must be and sense of true freedom.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  565. @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    Biden is planning to fund Ukraine with $60 billion. https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-mulls-60-bln-ukraine-10-bln-israel-funding-request-source-2023-10-18/

    Also, the production of the weapons and ammunition in the West will begin ramping in 2024/2025/2026. 155mm production will ramp in 2025.

    Putin will be president until at least 2030. If China starts to give weapons to Russia, there would then be weapons supply for both sides.

    So, this year is a relatively small level of the war as the weapons supply is low and cost is high of moving over minefields and trenches. But war will be continuing for years probably as the supply of weapons increases also.

    It could become more of artillery fighting or something different in the next years. In the Iran-Iraq war they also using fighting with trenches in the second year. After some years, they are bombing cities with missiles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Cities

    Replies: @A123, @Sean

    Biden is planning to fund Ukraine with $60 billion.

    Better phrasing would be:

    Not-The-President Biden is planning to *ask* Congress to fund Ukraine with $60 billion.

    The answer from the U.S. House will be a resounding *NO*. The next round of government finding will again have ZERO for Ukraine. The next window opens in early February of next year. At that time the Veggie-in-Chief might obtain a small fraction of that amount.

    Money for Kiev aggression is not a priority during a Presidential election campaign. Israel has already displaced Ukraine as the foreign policy priority. And, domestic issues will rapidly supersede both of those as the election approaches.
    ___

    Let me ask you the questions that the Ukie Maximalists keep refusing to answer.

    Are France and Germany willing to put in an additional €3-5 Billion per month?

    If not, please explain how Kiev is going to fight with little to no external support?

    PEACE 😇

  566. @Greasy William
    @LatW

    I always knew that I never wanted to marry or have children, even from the time I was small child. The longest relationship I was in only lasted 2 weeks and that was absolute torture. She was a nice girl but I just couldn't do it.

    I'm what they call "aromantic", it's a real condition. I am literally incapable of feeling romantic love.

    Replies: @LatW

    The longest relationship I was in only lasted 2 weeks and that was absolute torture. She was a nice girl but I just couldn’t do it.

    Well, at least you were honest to yourself and her, and good that you bailed already after 2 weeks, instead of dragging it out longer.

    I’m what they call “aromantic”, it’s a real condition. I am literally incapable of feeling romantic love.

    Bummer. I’ve never heard of that (I’ve only heard of “ahedonia” – the lack of happiness). Although life might be much easier for people like you unlike for us, hopeless romantics – you can at least remain indifferent. And it must be so easy to walk away, what a relief that must be and sense of true freedom.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @LatW


    And it must be so easy to walk away, what a relief that must be.
     
    It is. Ted Bundy once said that he felt sorry for people who felt guilt. I feel sorry for people who feel romantic love. I can't even watch romantic comedies because I always feel bad for the characters for ending up together.

    Some people like to say a wife and kids will make you happy, but I don't buy it. My brother is soooooooo in love with his wife, and he loves his kids too, and yet his life still sucks.

    My sister does seem to be genuinely happy though. But I'm just saying that having a good marriage and great kids doesn't automatically translate into being happy.

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson

  567. @LatW
    @Greasy William


    The longest relationship I was in only lasted 2 weeks and that was absolute torture. She was a nice girl but I just couldn’t do it.
     
    Well, at least you were honest to yourself and her, and good that you bailed already after 2 weeks, instead of dragging it out longer.

    I’m what they call “aromantic”, it’s a real condition. I am literally incapable of feeling romantic love.
     
    Bummer. I've never heard of that (I've only heard of "ahedonia" - the lack of happiness). Although life might be much easier for people like you unlike for us, hopeless romantics - you can at least remain indifferent. And it must be so easy to walk away, what a relief that must be and sense of true freedom.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    And it must be so easy to walk away, what a relief that must be.

    It is. Ted Bundy once said that he felt sorry for people who felt guilt. I feel sorry for people who feel romantic love. I can’t even watch romantic comedies because I always feel bad for the characters for ending up together.

    Some people like to say a wife and kids will make you happy, but I don’t buy it. My brother is soooooooo in love with his wife, and he loves his kids too, and yet his life still sucks.

    My sister does seem to be genuinely happy though. But I’m just saying that having a good marriage and great kids doesn’t automatically translate into being happy.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Greasy William

    It can make one happy, but it doesn't guarantee it. I sort of see the love for one's children (or the love for one's husband or someone special) as a thing on its own, not necessarily tied to happiness, but it can bring happiness. Love can also bring pain.

    I don't think happiness is something constant, I think it comes and goes, just feeling content might be something more stable, more persistent and long term.

    Btw, your brother may not think his life sucks, it might be just your subjective view (that he may not share).

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @John Johnson
    @Greasy William

    It is. Ted Bundy once said that he felt sorry for people who felt guilt. I feel sorry for people who feel romantic love. I can’t even watch romantic comedies because I always feel bad for the characters for ending up together.

    Sounds depressing. I miss my wife after 4-5 days on the road. I have some single friends and I don't envy them at all.

    Some people like to say a wife and kids will make you happy, but I don’t buy it. My brother is soooooooo in love with his wife, and he loves his kids too, and yet his life still sucks.

    Why does his life suck?

    My sister does seem to be genuinely happy though. But I’m just saying that having a good marriage and great kids doesn’t automatically translate into being happy.

    It normally does. Women turn bitchy when they don't have children. Men can do OK single but I think most should get married. The unhappy couples I have seen are the ones that married out of convenience or money. The real bad marriages are ones where it "made sense" because they had a similar occupation or something. You are better off being single than married to someone you don't like.

  568. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    Christianity is not about conscience – it is a complicated attempt to soften the external harshness of life.
     
    Sure, to a large extent it's about existential terror management, but I don't think one can discount the influence of Christian guilt culture that easily either. You are too cynical about this imo. As for Western hypocrisy, sure, it exists, quite blatantly so, but you are awfully one-sided about this. Russia, China, Iran etc. also frequently resort to humanitarian cant that is flatly contradicted by many of their own actions. imo the special sins of the West lie more in the fact that its policies are driven by hubris and increasingly disconnected from reality, not so much in any extraordinary mendacity and brutality.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Coconuts

    …I don’t think one can discount the influence of Christian guilt culture

    My point was that the Christian guilt is a secondary manifestation of consciously wanting to manage that external, inevitable brutality of life. People focus on the guilt part and seldom ask in what context it shows up in the Christian thought.

    Russia, China, Iran etc. also frequently resort to humanitarian cant that is flatly contradicted by many of their own actions.

    Russia is a Christian country and its culture has a huge overlap with the Western thought. But you are correct, all cultures resort to humanitarian cant. My sense is that outside of the West people don’t necessary believe it – they are more self-aware, closer to our biological core. The elaborate Western need to self-justify and resulting big lies are quite unique. When Japanese or Africans want something they don’t go through complex virtue justifications, they just do it. But it is true that today the Western influence is so pervasive that one sees the phenomenon everywhere.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Beckow

    Are you senile? German_reader was referring to the Chinese. The alleged brutality of the Japanese was against the Chinese; if the Japanese are in fact boastful and unapologetic about it, would the Chinese not have nuked Japan many times already?

    Maybe a Japanese scholar will write a book:

    Slovakia's Holocaust -- History of Mass Murder and Rape of Ethnic Germans (1944–1950)

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-2003-0703-500%2C_R%C3%BCckf%C3%BChrung_deutscher_Kinder_aus_Polen.jpg

    August 1948, German children deported from the eastern areas taken over by Communist Slovakia, whose parents have murdered by revanchist Slovak death squads

    Many Japanese readers will come away with the conclusion that Slovaks are worse savages than negros.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Beckow

    , @German_reader
    @Beckow


    My point was that the Christian guilt is a secondary manifestation of consciously wanting to manage that external, inevitable brutality of life.
     
    I'm not sure I understand your argument here...obviously having a sort of inner judge in the form of a conscience prone to experience feelings of guilt can lead to pro-social (or at least avoidance of antisocial) behaviour, like not stealing, not scamming other people etc. even when you could conceivably get away with it. So encouraging such a guilt culture can lead to enhanced societal functioning, high trust etc. (though arguably it may have become maladaptive in today's West). Do you mean that or are you thinking of something different?

    When Japanese or Africans want something they don’t go through complex virtue justifications
     
    When the Japanese tried to create an overseas empire, they couched the project in altruistic terms of wanting to liberate their fellow Asians from Western oppression and guide them in paternalistic benevolence...so I'm not convinced the difference is that great, despite the alleged differences between guilt and shame cultures.
    As for Africans, maybe true.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Beckow

  569. @Greasy William
    @LatW


    And it must be so easy to walk away, what a relief that must be.
     
    It is. Ted Bundy once said that he felt sorry for people who felt guilt. I feel sorry for people who feel romantic love. I can't even watch romantic comedies because I always feel bad for the characters for ending up together.

    Some people like to say a wife and kids will make you happy, but I don't buy it. My brother is soooooooo in love with his wife, and he loves his kids too, and yet his life still sucks.

    My sister does seem to be genuinely happy though. But I'm just saying that having a good marriage and great kids doesn't automatically translate into being happy.

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson

    It can make one happy, but it doesn’t guarantee it. I sort of see the love for one’s children (or the love for one’s husband or someone special) as a thing on its own, not necessarily tied to happiness, but it can bring happiness. Love can also bring pain.

    I don’t think happiness is something constant, I think it comes and goes, just feeling content might be something more stable, more persistent and long term.

    Btw, your brother may not think his life sucks, it might be just your subjective view (that he may not share).

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @LatW


    Btw, your brother may not think his life sucks, it might be just your subjective view (that he may not share).
     
    No he definitely thinks his life is mediocre. He once admitted to me that if an asteroid destroyed the entire earth he wouldn't really care. He loves his wife and kids and hates being apart from them but he also admits that his family isn't enough to make him happy.

    His wife, otoh, loves her life. She is one of those people who really only needs her family to be happy. My own sister is the same way. My mom was the same way but my dad definitely wasn't (although he likely had clinical depression).

    Both sets of my grandparents were the types of couples that were just as in love at 90 as they were at 19. I remember my sister describing it as "cute" and I just thought it was gross. It was definitely not what I wanted.

    Replies: @LatW, @Greasy William, @John Johnson

  570. @LatW
    @songbird


    at the very least, it is probably responsible for trannies and the move towards coarser language and culture – all of which I abhor. But I think it is mainly a scapegoat employed by Boomers, when it comes to TFR.
     
    The problem with porn is that it's not real and that it alienates a real man from a real woman.

    Believe it is banned both in China and South Korea. (Though not sure how effective ban is.)
     
    It's probably too late to ban porn in the West (people are already very atomized and the sexes are most likely permanently alienated), but maybe it should be done as an experiment? Ban the dating apps as well (except "Keeper"). And if we wanted to deal with this really seriously, sex and access to women would need to be controlled. But most of us don't want to, so things will stay as they are. Until we are all late colored.

    Anyway, my original point was that there are cultural issues beyond the EU structure that suppress TFRs, not the EU structure itself (even if the leading EU ideology is not desirable). Until quite recently, the TFRs were quite decent in Northern Europe, they might be suppressed now because housing got more expensive after Covid, but I think that happened everywhere globally, not just in the West. Housing went up in places such as Dubai and in parts of Asia.

    the Roman Empire encompassed those places
     
    Of course, the ancient Rome is our mother, but it was still more of a southern empire, and I'm not sure the level of integration in Rome of various provinces was as tight as in the current EU. Obviously, the Roman law was instilled across the provinces, but I'm not sure the movement of people was as intense as in the current EU, as well as legal obligations of the states.

    I think that some MENA states are perfectly ok on their own and stable, such as Tunisia.


    EU is becoming increasingly totalitarian
     
    What exactly do you mean?

    social credits
     
    The thing with social credits (besides the fact that they are not typical for European culture) is that employers will run out of the good people very quickly. The employers and creditors already do a ton of vetting of who is "credit worthy".

    I wonder why boars are at much higher latitudes in Europe than NA. Pigs were introduced about 500 years ago, but feral ones haven’t made it very far north.
     
    Going by what I've heard from some hunters about boars, I would place them quite high in the mythological animal pantheon - maybe even along with wolves. Tacitus wrote in Germania that the boar was the sacred animal for ancient Balts, coming from Tacitus, I will treat this piece of data with some attention and we can keep an open mind about that.

    And the boar is featured in heraldry in some Euro cultures.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @songbird

    Porn is supposedly illegal in Ukraine, but am not sure at present as Wikipedia mentions some 2023 bill proposed to make it legal.

    [MORE]

    Banning porn would certainly be an interesting experiment. I wonder if it would lead to revolution or higher T causing political changes. But probably not.

    I suspect the pill has been at least 20x more destructive.

    I like the idea of using porn as a potential carrot for remigration, or the migration of hedonists.

    But most of us don’t want to, so things will stay as they are. Until we are all late colored.

    Late colored?

    What exactly do you mean?

    surely, you have heard of the hate speech stuff? They were just recently trying to intimidate Musk over Gaza.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67097020

    • Replies: @LatW
    @songbird


    Banning porn would certainly be an interesting experiment. I wonder if it would lead to revolution or higher T causing political changes. But probably not.
     

    Yea, it would be fun to watch what would happen. LOL Who knows... maybe nothing. It might even lead to better quality sex (for some people at least).

    I suspect the pill has been at least 20x more destructive.
     

    Of course. I've only been on the pill for like a week in my whole life and then went off it because I hated how it made me feel. There are probably versions out there where you don't feel anything. Maybe they should ban it, too (if they can provide the welfare for the women). Just kidding. :)

    Late colored?
     

    Sorry, typo, I meant "latte colored" as in light brown. A deep glowing tan. :) Or just brown.

    surely, you have heard of the hate speech stuff?
     
    Well, hate speech laws are of course a slippery slope. Personally, Germany's hate speech laws would be unacceptable for me. Or Russia's for that matter. With growing instability, there will be more security measures as well, sometimes there might be a need to regulate speech so that people don't start killing each other. Diversity + proximity = chaos.

    But Hamas can be jerks, so not sure their accounts should be floating around Europe. I mean, it's good to know what they think and what is going on in their heads (just as an FYI) but not good to spread their propaganda.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  571. @silviosilver
    So I caught up with old friend for drinks tonight. I have some working class friends like her, but none of whose lives I take much interest in. But I was friends with this woman's ex-husband and I got to know her quite well, so I'm much more willing to help carry the conversation when it turns to common working class sort of themes/problems that have come up in her life (rather than changing the subject, as I often do). I knew about some of things that were going badly for her, and have felt sorry for that she never made it out of that cycle of frankly rather easily-solved (or avoided) problems - since she clearly has the brains for that - but until tonight I didn't realize just how bad it all was.

    A couple of weeks ago we were at a party near her house and I decided to sleep there rather than risk driving, and while I was there her youngest daughter, 16, was begging her to allow her to buy a vape, which she adamantly refused. The mother walked out of the room at one point and her daughter said softly to me "little does she know, I've already got one." I didn't want to give the daughter's secret away, but I wanted to clue the mother in that was more going on than she knew, so I came up with the idea of telling my friend, "your daughter told me a secret but I can't say what it is," thinking that she would then ask her about it and they could argue it out between themselves, and I wouldn't like look like the bad guy to either one of them.

    Well, I never got around to saying that, but it doesn't matter anyway, because the real problems they were having that I learned about tonight make that a laughably irrelevant trifle. Turns out her youngest daughter had boys at the house while my friend was away this weekend (including a black guy, which she is totally opposed to) who stayed the night; she found her stash of vapes; found out she's been smoking weed, which her sister's boyfriend (who is a dealer, of more than just weed) had been giving her; and had not only already lost her virginity but had a reputation as a slut.

    Then the eldest daughter (who is a cut above the other two) joined us while the mother was commiserating with me over drinks about the tough turns life can take and many more stories came out. I was attentive and understanding, listening more than offering "solutions" (which is pointless to tell females in that state of mind, or even in any state of mind lol), but all the same I couldn't help feeling a bit down about how stupidly and mindlessly working class people (in particular, but they're not alone) allow their lives to enter virtual death spirals.

    This is why I've never been able to take socialism seriously. I completely fail to see what difference it would make if my friend's income was boosted by, say, 50%. That's a significant boost and it would certainly be welcome, but the idea that the added income would have enabled my friend and her and family to avoid the kind of problems they're having (and I've left a lot unsaid here) strikes me as utterly fantastical. To me, it's plainly obvious their problems are a direct result of their habitual "stinkin' thinkin'".

    I consider it a great pity that leftists, who it's true tend to care much more about helping the little people than conservatives do, dissipate their energies on trying to raise working class incomes rather than focusing on imparting "life strategies" that would actually help people lead better lives - especially since improving the lot of the working class largely involves avoiding easily avoidable mistakes. (I think teaching someone to not do something is generally much easier than trying to teach them to do something, like some skill which may well be beyond them - hard to know till you try, of course. Eg "learn algebra!"- if we're talking about "everyone," ah yeah ,good luck.)

    The optimist in me finds it quite sad to think that some families seem set to repeat the same cycle of dispiriting dramas, generation after generation - especially when solutions to at least half those problems are already at hand. I often post here in a way that makes me sound very coldhearted and uncaring about other people - and I definitely have some of that in me - but at the same time, it really does perplex me to think how totally unnecessarily many people ruin their own lives.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @German_reader, @Coconuts, @Sher Singh

    This is why I’ve never been able to take socialism seriously. I completely fail to see what difference it would make if my friend’s income was boosted by, say, 50%.

    When I was younger and more of a socialist the redistribution/nationalisation element was part of it, but it seemed to be about increasing altruism and solidarity, a kind of moral renewal, raising the cultural level of people etc. Then British politics went in the opposite direction and everyone’s living standards were rising, it seemed less relevant.

    Some of the old French socialists used to write about the effects of capitalism and bourgeois power on the family, that it will create broken families, widespread prostitution, possibly pornocracy (where prostitutes or harlots control the government), sodomites will be empowered etc. Maybe these intuitions came from observing French society in the 1840s and what it was like already, but they seem to have been prescient.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Coconuts

    I sympathize with a lot of early 20th century leftist - although not doctrinaire Marxist - positions on some things. Imo, the low-hanging fruit has already been picked (healthcare, working conditions etc). There are probably still substantial gains in social solidarity to be made, particularly in the nationalist sense, but that's mainly because of the low starting point. ("Artificially" low, given the way nationalism has been relentlessly trashed for the past three generations.) The idea that socialist policies are going to lead to cultural renewal or improve the quality of family life (if they were even trying, which they're certainly not) is not at all credible. The most that can be done for the great mass of people is to help them stop unnecessarily hurting themselves. If we want more, it's eugenics or bust.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Coconuts

  572. @A123
    @Dmitry


    Trump is popular with the Republican primary voters, but a relatively not so popular with the general voters.
     
    Every party candidate is more popular with their party's primary voters than with general voters. Score = True, but irrelevant

    In 2016, because of this he was not able to win the popular vote against Hilary
     
    The U.S. system runs on Electoral College votes, not the popular vote. Again, Score = True, but irrelevant

    This must seem very strange to foreigners whose lived experience is with coalition/PM systems. The Electoral College is unusual even for democracies. The critical measures are swing states. In those, Trump is showing massive strength will moderate & swing voters.


    Republicans would elect also relatively not supported by the general votes Trump, so Biden still has a possibility to survive
     
    Turnout, driven by "base voter" activation, is crucial. Trump is a powerhouse for turning out the base.

    How did soft base support work out for Romney and McCain who were theoretically more compatible with "general voters"? I think you will agree they lost.

    Now project those "general voter" and "base voters" observed behaviours. Do you see the "base voter" problem with establishment shill DeSantis or warmonger Haley? Deactivating the base yields a near 100% chance of failure.


    it could depend on the economic situation next year.
     
    It is not going to be better. Not-The-President Biden's Inflation Reduction Act is harming economic activity with unworkable green energy boondoggles.
    _____

    The DNC has huge "base voter" weaknesses. For example, open borders and sanctuary cities.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hSyTo9RiyAg

    And, they are stuck with Biden. If he had stepped aside months ago, an open & competitive DNC primary might have been able to move Not-The-VP Harris aside. Now, it is too late.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Greasy William, @John Johnson

    And, they are stuck with Biden.

    Why are they stuck with Biden? It’s an open primary.

    Polls are showing that Democrat voters are concerned about his age.

    We don’t know if Biden actually plans on running again. His word doesn’t mean anything. He might be waiting to see if there are any serious challengers.

    I think odds are that we will have a new candidate. His best move will be to retire.

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson


    We don’t know if Biden actually plans on running again.
     
    We do know that Not-The-President Biden is formally running.

    Why are they stuck with Biden? It’s an open primary.
     
    Opposing an incumbent President has virtually no chance of success. Functionally, the field is frozen out, other than minor players and outsiders.

    Ballot qualification is now a serious problem. States that have a 90 day cutoff would require not simply announcing, but completion of the process unreasonably quickly. For a genuine open primary to have worked, the White House occupant needed to voluntarily step aside months ago.


    I think odds are that we will have a new candidate. His best move will be to retire.
     
    The Veggie-in-Chief does not grasp that. His wife is apparently pushing him on. Chances of him stepping aside at this late date are virtually nil. Too many people have too much to gain by continuing the puppet show.

    PEACE 😇

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    I think odds are that we will have a new candidate. His best move will be to retire.
     
    If so, it will likely be Gavin Newsom. Kamala is an underwhelming lightweight, after all. Back in 2020, I expected her to be the next Obama, but it appears that she doesn't have what it takes for this, unfortunately.

    Kamala's main value was in helping to secure Georgia for Biden in 2020 (by energizing the black vote there to the extent that she could) and thus in causing Trump to tell Republicans to boycott the Georgia US Senate races in January 2021 because the vote counting in Georgia is allegedly rigged, which in turn resulted in the Democrats winning both of these Georgian US Senate seats and thus control of the US Senate as a whole.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @John Johnson

  573. @songbird
    @LatW

    Porn is supposedly illegal in Ukraine, but am not sure at present as Wikipedia mentions some 2023 bill proposed to make it legal.

    Banning porn would certainly be an interesting experiment. I wonder if it would lead to revolution or higher T causing political changes. But probably not.

    I suspect the pill has been at least 20x more destructive.

    I like the idea of using porn as a potential carrot for remigration, or the migration of hedonists.


    But most of us don’t want to, so things will stay as they are. Until we are all late colored.

     

    Late colored?

    What exactly do you mean?
     
    surely, you have heard of the hate speech stuff? They were just recently trying to intimidate Musk over Gaza.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67097020

    Replies: @LatW

    Banning porn would certainly be an interesting experiment. I wonder if it would lead to revolution or higher T causing political changes. But probably not.

    [MORE]

    Yea, it would be fun to watch what would happen. LOL Who knows… maybe nothing. It might even lead to better quality sex (for some people at least).

    I suspect the pill has been at least 20x more destructive.

    Of course. I’ve only been on the pill for like a week in my whole life and then went off it because I hated how it made me feel. There are probably versions out there where you don’t feel anything. Maybe they should ban it, too (if they can provide the welfare for the women). Just kidding. 🙂

    Late colored?

    Sorry, typo, I meant “latte colored” as in light brown. A deep glowing tan. 🙂 Or just brown.

    surely, you have heard of the hate speech stuff?

    Well, hate speech laws are of course a slippery slope. Personally, Germany’s hate speech laws would be unacceptable for me. Or Russia’s for that matter. With growing instability, there will be more security measures as well, sometimes there might be a need to regulate speech so that people don’t start killing each other. Diversity + proximity = chaos.

    But Hamas can be jerks, so not sure their accounts should be floating around Europe. I mean, it’s good to know what they think and what is going on in their heads (just as an FYI) but not good to spread their propaganda.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    Of course. I’ve only been on the pill for like a week in my whole life and then went off it because I hated how it made me feel. There are probably versions out there where you don’t feel anything. Maybe they should ban it, too (if they can provide the welfare for the women). Just kidding.
     
    Apologies for asking, but what birth control do you generally use?

    Well, hate speech laws are of course a slippery slope. Personally, Germany’s hate speech laws would be unacceptable for me. Or Russia’s for that matter. With growing instability, there will be more security measures as well, sometimes there might be a need to regulate speech so that people don’t start killing each other. Diversity + proximity = chaos.
     
    The US is very diverse and yet still doesn't have hate speech laws as of this point in time. This could perhaps change in the future if future generations will be too Woke and thus manage to create a hate speech exception for the First Amendment, but if so, it will likely be driven more by changes in public opinion rather than by changes in demographics. I do hope that this won't happen, though. The First Amendment as it is is very valuable, after all. And I'm also worried about a slippery slope that results in pro-hereditarian and race realist speech getting suppressed. Heck, I don't even support criminalizing Holocaust denial because I prefer that their arguments be publicly out there so that people can much more easily respond to them and debunk them. (Though I do understand why countries that actually experienced the Holocaust would criminalize Holocaust denial, at least until the middle of the 21st century or so.)

    Replies: @LatW

  574. Thought type O would be very low in Bangladesh due to cholera, but it is not that low. Perhaps due to malaria?
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_type_distribution_by_country

    (BTW, supposedly the lowest global distribution is in fact in the Ganges delta, but Bangla just doesn’t seem much lower than certain other places, like Armenia or Japan.)

  575. @silviosilver
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Well, if we go by the "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed" standard, yeah. And quite the looker. But ah, 16 man... Tell you what, you go first lol.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    I thought you were based. Sexually attractive and intellectually mature is a male phenomenon. All women are children at least until they hit the wall.

    Maybe you are gay and you don’t know it yet.

    ** Obviously this is a rule of thumb and there are a very very few exceptions.

    *** I am not based like Silvio as if anybody could possibly care.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I thought you were based. Sexually attractive and intellectually mature is a male phenomenon. All women are children until they hit the wall.

    That is incel bullshit.

    You would also be surprised by how many White women behind the scenes in a city like DC actually know the score.

    They lose their liberal beliefs overnight when interacting with a certain minority. That leads them to question other beliefs. Some will continue to identify as liberal but only until they get married. But they don't actually believe in liberalism. They see it as belief in Santa Claus. They basically conclude that lying is the only option because Bad Whites can't be told the truth. Behind the scenes they want a White husband to marry so they can flee to the burbs. You would be shocked by what some of these women say after a couple drinks.

    There are also women that never believed in any of it. They're not going to advertise that in public. I had a girl in a math course who I could have sworn was a feminist bitch. Turned out she was Catholic and planned on having 6 kids once she got out of college. Had zero regard for liberalism. Was there to get an advanced degree and a Catholic husband.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  576. @Greasy William
    @LatW


    And it must be so easy to walk away, what a relief that must be.
     
    It is. Ted Bundy once said that he felt sorry for people who felt guilt. I feel sorry for people who feel romantic love. I can't even watch romantic comedies because I always feel bad for the characters for ending up together.

    Some people like to say a wife and kids will make you happy, but I don't buy it. My brother is soooooooo in love with his wife, and he loves his kids too, and yet his life still sucks.

    My sister does seem to be genuinely happy though. But I'm just saying that having a good marriage and great kids doesn't automatically translate into being happy.

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson

    It is. Ted Bundy once said that he felt sorry for people who felt guilt. I feel sorry for people who feel romantic love. I can’t even watch romantic comedies because I always feel bad for the characters for ending up together.

    Sounds depressing. I miss my wife after 4-5 days on the road. I have some single friends and I don’t envy them at all.

    Some people like to say a wife and kids will make you happy, but I don’t buy it. My brother is soooooooo in love with his wife, and he loves his kids too, and yet his life still sucks.

    Why does his life suck?

    My sister does seem to be genuinely happy though. But I’m just saying that having a good marriage and great kids doesn’t automatically translate into being happy.

    It normally does. Women turn bitchy when they don’t have children. Men can do OK single but I think most should get married. The unhappy couples I have seen are the ones that married out of convenience or money. The real bad marriages are ones where it “made sense” because they had a similar occupation or something. You are better off being single than married to someone you don’t like.

  577. @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    Biden is planning to fund Ukraine with $60 billion. https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-mulls-60-bln-ukraine-10-bln-israel-funding-request-source-2023-10-18/

    Also, the production of the weapons and ammunition in the West will begin ramping in 2024/2025/2026. 155mm production will ramp in 2025.

    Putin will be president until at least 2030. If China starts to give weapons to Russia, there would then be weapons supply for both sides.

    So, this year is a relatively small level of the war as the weapons supply is low and cost is high of moving over minefields and trenches. But war will be continuing for years probably as the supply of weapons increases also.

    It could become more of artillery fighting or something different in the next years. In the Iran-Iraq war they also using fighting with trenches in the second year. After some years, they are bombing cities with missiles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Cities

    Replies: @A123, @Sean

    The US is a regional hegemon, not a global ordering power. So there is no (Western) rules based order to overthrow in Ukraine. If Russia is defeated in Ukraine then the status of Russia will be degraded not back to its default. There seems to be a lot of evil in the world still, despite all the Good wars so however Russia versus Ukraine might plausibly end it will not be a final battle of good against evil .

    Be it ever so malevolent the Russian system and standpoint can’t be made to disappear by any prudent (indirect) support for Ukraine,. Russia has the strategic space and propinquity to continue a war against Ukraine from Russia proper, so even if Ukraine pushed the Russian army out of all Ukrainian territory; how could Russia be made to accept its failure and end the war? Only a direct American intervention going to the last extremity might produce capitulation by Russia to Ukraine’s terms and signing of a peace treaty. Removal of the Kaiser and Germany coming apart did not solve France’s Germany problem for long, and Putin’s “brittle” regime ending might solve Ukraine’s Russia problem, but probably wouldn’t.

    I cannot understand how on earth can we make it a short sharp war that Russia loses, because very little in history suggests Russia would concede total irrevocable defeat after any conceivable victory by Ukraine. It is always going to be open to the Russian army to withdraw without ending the war, and try a new strategy. Fantastic as it may seem, the Russian (outnumbered 4:1 on the ground in East Europe) do not see themselves as Imperialist, they see themselves as defending against an overwhelmingly more powerful assemblage of Ukraine and its Western supporters. Of course in theory the loss of Russian soldiers could accumulate until it reached a level that made Russia politically unstable. Yet, such considerations cut both ways , and were their causalities to become thought unsustainable it would always be an option for the Russians to stand on the defensive, which is generally accepted to impose attrition favourable to the defender on the opponent (AOTBE).

    Some people might say that, apart few limited battles, standing on defence is what Russia has basically been doing. Anyway, I suspect Zelensky is not immune from popular discontent over casualties, and were they to reach certain levels Ukraine could see a coup. Also it the losses get to much for Ukraine then they can cease mounting costly operations. To be clear I am dubious about either country collapsing politically or militarily as a result. The most likely outcome is the war will reach a crescendo of casualties, then long range missiles/ drone attacked on Russia and Ukraine’s infrastructure will be tried, and after the lack of worthwhile results for anyone from all the destruction is apparent, the war will very slowly begin to run down. So the outlook for the Russia-Ukraine war is nothing is going to happen. A lot.

  578. Some theories about how life could potentially stay in the upper layers in the atmosphere in Venus.

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  579. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    Christianity is not about conscience – it is a complicated attempt to soften the external harshness of life.
     
    Sure, to a large extent it's about existential terror management, but I don't think one can discount the influence of Christian guilt culture that easily either. You are too cynical about this imo. As for Western hypocrisy, sure, it exists, quite blatantly so, but you are awfully one-sided about this. Russia, China, Iran etc. also frequently resort to humanitarian cant that is flatly contradicted by many of their own actions. imo the special sins of the West lie more in the fact that its policies are driven by hubris and increasingly disconnected from reality, not so much in any extraordinary mendacity and brutality.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Coconuts

    I was reading this:

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    (The original French version is more reasonably priced)

    It was originally written in 2006, he comes from an Enlightenment liberal standpoint. I think what you can say is that all the tendencies he talks about have worsened and the counter-arguments he provides seem weaker now than they would 15 years ago, especially in the Anglo sphere. Even though the points he makes are rational, people just seem to ignore them. Finally in 2006 he still believed the US was an exception to the general trend, now we can see it is a major centre and source of this stuff.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Coconuts

    I've heard of Bruckner. Haven't looked into him closer, because tbh these liberal defenses of "Western civ" usually don't do much for me; too often they amount to vague appeals for "standing up for our values" (which then often turns out to be antiracism, at least of the supposedly moderate kind, and LGBTQ stuff) and/or neoconnish defenses of Western foreign policy projects I regard as harmful and misguided. But thanks for the recommendation, I might look at it.

    Replies: @songbird

  580. @John Johnson
    @A123

    And, they are stuck with Biden.

    Why are they stuck with Biden? It's an open primary.

    Polls are showing that Democrat voters are concerned about his age.

    We don't know if Biden actually plans on running again. His word doesn't mean anything. He might be waiting to see if there are any serious challengers.

    I think odds are that we will have a new candidate. His best move will be to retire.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. XYZ

    We don’t know if Biden actually plans on running again.

    We do know that Not-The-President Biden is formally running.

    Why are they stuck with Biden? It’s an open primary.

    Opposing an incumbent President has virtually no chance of success. Functionally, the field is frozen out, other than minor players and outsiders.

    Ballot qualification is now a serious problem. States that have a 90 day cutoff would require not simply announcing, but completion of the process unreasonably quickly. For a genuine open primary to have worked, the White House occupant needed to voluntarily step aside months ago.

    I think odds are that we will have a new candidate. His best move will be to retire.

    The Veggie-in-Chief does not grasp that. His wife is apparently pushing him on. Chances of him stepping aside at this late date are virtually nil. Too many people have too much to gain by continuing the puppet show.

    PEACE 😇

  581. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @silviosilver

    I thought you were based. Sexually attractive and intellectually mature is a male phenomenon. All women are children at least until they hit the wall.

    Maybe you are gay and you don't know it yet.

    ** Obviously this is a rule of thumb and there are a very very few exceptions.

    *** I am not based like Silvio as if anybody could possibly care.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I thought you were based. Sexually attractive and intellectually mature is a male phenomenon. All women are children until they hit the wall.

    That is incel bullshit.

    You would also be surprised by how many White women behind the scenes in a city like DC actually know the score.

    They lose their liberal beliefs overnight when interacting with a certain minority. That leads them to question other beliefs. Some will continue to identify as liberal but only until they get married. But they don’t actually believe in liberalism. They see it as belief in Santa Claus. They basically conclude that lying is the only option because Bad Whites can’t be told the truth. Behind the scenes they want a White husband to marry so they can flee to the burbs. You would be shocked by what some of these women say after a couple drinks.

    There are also women that never believed in any of it. They’re not going to advertise that in public. I had a girl in a math course who I could have sworn was a feminist bitch. Turned out she was Catholic and planned on having 6 kids once she got out of college. Had zero regard for liberalism. Was there to get an advanced degree and a Catholic husband.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @John Johnson

    Ok, but they'll oppose male control + virginity at marriage.

  582. @LatW
    @Greasy William

    It can make one happy, but it doesn't guarantee it. I sort of see the love for one's children (or the love for one's husband or someone special) as a thing on its own, not necessarily tied to happiness, but it can bring happiness. Love can also bring pain.

    I don't think happiness is something constant, I think it comes and goes, just feeling content might be something more stable, more persistent and long term.

    Btw, your brother may not think his life sucks, it might be just your subjective view (that he may not share).

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Btw, your brother may not think his life sucks, it might be just your subjective view (that he may not share).

    No he definitely thinks his life is mediocre. He once admitted to me that if an asteroid destroyed the entire earth he wouldn’t really care. He loves his wife and kids and hates being apart from them but he also admits that his family isn’t enough to make him happy.

    His wife, otoh, loves her life. She is one of those people who really only needs her family to be happy. My own sister is the same way. My mom was the same way but my dad definitely wasn’t (although he likely had clinical depression).

    Both sets of my grandparents were the types of couples that were just as in love at 90 as they were at 19. I remember my sister describing it as “cute” and I just thought it was gross. It was definitely not what I wanted.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Greasy William


    No he definitely thinks his life is mediocre. He once admitted to me that if an asteroid destroyed the entire earth he wouldn’t really care. He loves his wife and kids and hates being apart from them but he also admits that his family isn’t enough to make him happy.
     
    Maybe your brother should find happiness in the fact that he has made his wife happy. :)

    I like how American men say "Happy wife - happy life". Our men never say this openly. I'm not sure it even occurs to them (although they might know it instinctively).

    Or maybe he should try to reflect on what it would be like if he didn't have his family - and would still most likely have a mediocre life. That would probably be worse. I mean, there are exceptional men (and women, although women's happiness is a bit different) who do what they want or achieve their ambitions, or receive fulfillment from the endeavors of their choice, and who also have families. And there are also such men who are single (or with broken relationships or with several relationships that are not that fruitful). So I'm not sure it's the deciding factor, although I do support the focus on the family.

    Not sure something outside of oneself can be the source of happiness.

    There are probably different stages of happiness - simple contentment, elation, euphoria, eudaimonia. Maybe something like elation and temporary happiness is something that comes and goes, but contentment and eudaimonia might be something that stays. I think in Aristotle, the practice of virtue leads to permanent happiness.


    It was definitely not what I wanted.
     
    Not all people want it, not all people are aware of what it takes to have it, but it is kind of ironic that those who may want it, may not have it. Or those who have it may not be aware of what they have.
    , @Greasy William
    @Greasy William

    Oh believe me he knows that without his family he'd be suicidal.

    My point was just that some people have great marriages and great kids and they still don't feel fulfilled.

    Now that I think about it, even my mom likely wouldn't have been happy without her career. So even someone like her needed more than family to be happy

    Replies: @LatW

    , @John Johnson
    @Greasy William

    No he definitely thinks his life is mediocre. He once admitted to me that if an asteroid destroyed the entire earth he wouldn’t really care. He loves his wife and kids and hates being apart from them but he also admits that his family isn’t enough to make him happy.

    How can he love his wife and kids if he doesn't care if they were hit by an asteroid?

    I'm surprised by how many people think that having a career with prestige would make them happy.

    Corporate America is a joke. Maybe it was fun during the 50s but the environment is so PC and stupid now. I honestly pity the executives. The amount of bullshit they have to do outside of work is insane. Texting and chatting during vacations while having to pretend the rhino in the room isn't there. I have a friend that switched to blue collar work out of frustration with idiot managers. He has never been happier. Took a pay hit but doesn't seem to care.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  583. @AP
    @Mikhail


    The recent Time article on Zelensky and Economist piece regarding Zaluzhny reveal the otherwise obvious
     
    First was an article by Arestovych, a disgruntled guy who had been kicked out of Zelensky’s inner circle. Second was an interview by a man with an agenda of getting more aid and better weapons.

    A thinking person, which you are not, would take neither at face value.

    Let me guess: when people interested in getting more money for the US defence industry wrote about America being outclassed by the Russian military - you believed that, too.

    The Kiev regime has incurred quite significant armed combatant casualty figures
     
    I’m sure they did. 80,000 - 120,000 KIA is significant and very tragic. (though come to think of, the low estimate could be lower, maybe 70,000)

    300,000 or 500,000 KIA (MacGregor? Ritter? I lost track), which would be about a million or more casualties, is a number only for morons.

    A thinking person, which you are not, would wonder how Ukraine managed not only to not crumble, but to hold the Russians back while losing a million or so men killed and injured. Or how it’s economy has grown this year.

    Here is Kiev in 2023:

    https://youtu.be/zyb8nDARRTw?si=raRfmI4-DVy1OttS

    https://youtu.be/75_FfQGIlvk?si=wJ-sVeY-xhUOvKZc

    Quite a few men going about their business. Dumb Mikhail thinks they must all be dead, injured or in the army, but there they are.

    Yeah, looks like a country where a million people have been casualties.

    thereby explaining the numerous videos of press gangs trying to round up recruits and recent efforts to get women to play a more active fighting role
     
    Conscription exists. Do you think 300,000 Americans died in the Vietnam war because a bunch of people fled to Canada?

    Do you think 300,000 Israelis have died because Israel has female soldiers?

    :::::

    I also think that the figure of 300,000 dead Russians is not realistic, though it may be half of that or slightly more than half. Russia would implement mass mobilisation or would leave if it lost 300,000 killed.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mikhail, @Sean

    You’re being way too autistic-ally stupid with your constant Ritter chants. I very recently referenced an anti-Russian government source concerning the reasoned figure of just under 36,000 Russian KIA.

    Your anecdotal photos can be used to confirm that Russia hasn’t been indiscriminately bombing civilians as falsely claimed in Western mass media. Russia has been far more tame when compared to how Israel responds to the Palestinians. This is because Russia/Russians know that many on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR aren’t vile svidos, but people who’re kin to Russia. Russia has done a much better job in documenting the use of human shields than Israel. There’s also the matter of Kiev regime misfires hitting civilians along with the occasional Kiev regime hit of a projectile which then ends up getting diverted and killing civilians.

    You’re off the wall wacked out for believing Russia has incurred more KIA than the Kiev regime. There’s no realistic chance of such given the far greater number of artillery pieces used by Russia when compared to the Kiev regime.

    You’ll next claim that the US News & World ranking of the Russian army as being number one in the world is part of an Intel operation to promote greater US defense spending. The Russian MIC and its armed personnel have vastly improved with their weapons proving to be far better than what Russia’s adversaries thought. The NYT (not Ritter) said that Russia is outproducing the collective west by a 7-1 margin in artillery shells.

    Your mischaracterization of what’s stated in the Time and Economist pieces is in line with your past overly selective cherry picks. Arestovych isn’t the lone source relied on by Time moron. Zelensky spinster Yermak initially posted that Time piece and then quickly deleted it. The fool thought it’d be pro-Kiev regime by default. The mood in the US has changed in part because as time passes, the Kiev regime is more and more showing itself to be a lying, corrupt, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced entity with blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.

    Vietnam era US and contemporary Israel haven’t utilized press gangs in the way the Kiev regime has. The recent Kiev regime ads for female armed personnel is another tell all, which you sheepishly dismiss with a phony false equivalency whataboutism.

  584. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    When you lose an argument you escape into pointless idiocy. What do you think that makes you look like? You are unable to even pretend that this can be rationally discussed, a sad situation as your side is losing.

    But you have the quasi-human AP supporting you no matter what, so you have that going for you...:)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123, @Mikhail

    Hack has a certain goofball quality which includes a mellow aspect when compared to AP, who comes across as a more vile mean spirited dip. Recall how AP rationalized the Kiev regime roughing up and internment of Gonzalo Lira.

  585. @Greasy William
    @LatW


    Btw, your brother may not think his life sucks, it might be just your subjective view (that he may not share).
     
    No he definitely thinks his life is mediocre. He once admitted to me that if an asteroid destroyed the entire earth he wouldn't really care. He loves his wife and kids and hates being apart from them but he also admits that his family isn't enough to make him happy.

    His wife, otoh, loves her life. She is one of those people who really only needs her family to be happy. My own sister is the same way. My mom was the same way but my dad definitely wasn't (although he likely had clinical depression).

    Both sets of my grandparents were the types of couples that were just as in love at 90 as they were at 19. I remember my sister describing it as "cute" and I just thought it was gross. It was definitely not what I wanted.

    Replies: @LatW, @Greasy William, @John Johnson

    No he definitely thinks his life is mediocre. He once admitted to me that if an asteroid destroyed the entire earth he wouldn’t really care. He loves his wife and kids and hates being apart from them but he also admits that his family isn’t enough to make him happy.

    Maybe your brother should find happiness in the fact that he has made his wife happy. 🙂

    I like how American men say “Happy wife – happy life”. Our men never say this openly. I’m not sure it even occurs to them (although they might know it instinctively).

    Or maybe he should try to reflect on what it would be like if he didn’t have his family – and would still most likely have a mediocre life. That would probably be worse. I mean, there are exceptional men (and women, although women’s happiness is a bit different) who do what they want or achieve their ambitions, or receive fulfillment from the endeavors of their choice, and who also have families. And there are also such men who are single (or with broken relationships or with several relationships that are not that fruitful). So I’m not sure it’s the deciding factor, although I do support the focus on the family.

    Not sure something outside of oneself can be the source of happiness.

    There are probably different stages of happiness – simple contentment, elation, euphoria, eudaimonia. Maybe something like elation and temporary happiness is something that comes and goes, but contentment and eudaimonia might be something that stays. I think in Aristotle, the practice of virtue leads to permanent happiness.

    It was definitely not what I wanted.

    Not all people want it, not all people are aware of what it takes to have it, but it is kind of ironic that those who may want it, may not have it. Or those who have it may not be aware of what they have.

  586. @Greasy William
    @LatW


    Btw, your brother may not think his life sucks, it might be just your subjective view (that he may not share).
     
    No he definitely thinks his life is mediocre. He once admitted to me that if an asteroid destroyed the entire earth he wouldn't really care. He loves his wife and kids and hates being apart from them but he also admits that his family isn't enough to make him happy.

    His wife, otoh, loves her life. She is one of those people who really only needs her family to be happy. My own sister is the same way. My mom was the same way but my dad definitely wasn't (although he likely had clinical depression).

    Both sets of my grandparents were the types of couples that were just as in love at 90 as they were at 19. I remember my sister describing it as "cute" and I just thought it was gross. It was definitely not what I wanted.

    Replies: @LatW, @Greasy William, @John Johnson

    Oh believe me he knows that without his family he’d be suicidal.

    My point was just that some people have great marriages and great kids and they still don’t feel fulfilled.

    Now that I think about it, even my mom likely wouldn’t have been happy without her career. So even someone like her needed more than family to be happy

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Greasy William


    Oh believe me he knows that without his family he’d be suicidal.
     
    Aw. He'll be ok.

    So even someone like her needed more than family to be happy
     
    Of course. Most people are social creatures that yearn for affirmation even outside of family. Making money is partly about that, too. And many want to explore even higher endeavors (thus we have art).

    Replies: @Greasy William

  587. @AP
    @Mikhail


    Zelensky the man child adult
     
    Zelensky finished law school, has a career as a successful entertainer and now president, married and has children.

    You have never married, never had kids, don’t have much of any actual career, and write semi-educated thoughtless things on the internet (from your family’s home - I doubt you’ve even managed to buy the place where you live).

    You are the last person to call someone a “man child adult.”

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Keep projecting oh anonymous svido troll.

    Zelensky and yourself both exhibit man child like manner unlike yous truly. All the degrees, marriages and children in the world can’t offset that.

    Zelensky with his dressing up as (take your pick) GI Joe or a custodian at formal gatherings, dropping the F bomb during a US nationally televised interview and his reported nuisance gimme manner aren’t my style. In comparison, the usually informal in style Max Blumenthal, Danny Haiphong, George Szamuely and Randy Credico dress appropriately when speaking at the UN.

    Your primitive off topic ad hominem banter after getting debunked on the intended subject matter is indicative of your severe shortcomings. To get to your very low level (which isn’t difficult), do you actually breed? A scary thought.

    It’s quite clear that on the intended subject matters for discussion, you haven’t been academically referenced, along with having no major mass media guest appearances on account of being a poor interlocutor and intellect.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail


    Zelensky and yourself both exhibit man child like manner unlike yous truly.
     
    You never married and never had children.

    Have you had a career of any kind?

    Writing (incompetently) a lot of simple nonsense isn't a career.

    So you never did grown up things.

    You are a man child.

    As a man child, you actually think that something like the clothes Zelensky wears determines how much of an "adult" he is. Meanwhile, unlike you, Zelensky is an adult married man (married 20 years to the same woman) with a career and children.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Greasy William, @Mr. Hack

  588. @Greasy William
    @Greasy William

    Oh believe me he knows that without his family he'd be suicidal.

    My point was just that some people have great marriages and great kids and they still don't feel fulfilled.

    Now that I think about it, even my mom likely wouldn't have been happy without her career. So even someone like her needed more than family to be happy

    Replies: @LatW

    Oh believe me he knows that without his family he’d be suicidal.

    Aw. He’ll be ok.

    So even someone like her needed more than family to be happy

    Of course. Most people are social creatures that yearn for affirmation even outside of family. Making money is partly about that, too. And many want to explore even higher endeavors (thus we have art).

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @LatW

    The happiest I ever was was when I was a child of 10 and 11. Having a great family life was definitely part of what made me happy, but even then it was more something that was in the background as opposed to the primary focus of my life.

    Replies: @LatW

  589. @LatW
    @Greasy William


    Oh believe me he knows that without his family he’d be suicidal.
     
    Aw. He'll be ok.

    So even someone like her needed more than family to be happy
     
    Of course. Most people are social creatures that yearn for affirmation even outside of family. Making money is partly about that, too. And many want to explore even higher endeavors (thus we have art).

    Replies: @Greasy William

    The happiest I ever was was when I was a child of 10 and 11. Having a great family life was definitely part of what made me happy, but even then it was more something that was in the background as opposed to the primary focus of my life.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Greasy William


    The happiest I ever was was when I was a child of 10 and 11.
     
    Oh, that's a great age. That's the age when some children start becoming a little independent (boys at least). They want to be left alone more to be immersed in play or whatever endeavors they find themselves to be focused on. They start wanting more privacy. I think some young boys that age are also very happy exploring nature and outdoors. It's a great space to be and a part of childhood where they are no longer needy "babies" but not yet teenagers or older kids with more responsibility and "issues". And they are still uninhibited in a childlike way but they are already quite knowledgeable about the world.
  590. @Greasy William
    @LatW

    The happiest I ever was was when I was a child of 10 and 11. Having a great family life was definitely part of what made me happy, but even then it was more something that was in the background as opposed to the primary focus of my life.

    Replies: @LatW

    The happiest I ever was was when I was a child of 10 and 11.

    Oh, that’s a great age. That’s the age when some children start becoming a little independent (boys at least). They want to be left alone more to be immersed in play or whatever endeavors they find themselves to be focused on. They start wanting more privacy. I think some young boys that age are also very happy exploring nature and outdoors. It’s a great space to be and a part of childhood where they are no longer needy “babies” but not yet teenagers or older kids with more responsibility and “issues”. And they are still uninhibited in a childlike way but they are already quite knowledgeable about the world.

  591. @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...I don’t think one can discount the influence of Christian guilt culture
     
    My point was that the Christian guilt is a secondary manifestation of consciously wanting to manage that external, inevitable brutality of life. People focus on the guilt part and seldom ask in what context it shows up in the Christian thought.

    Russia, China, Iran etc. also frequently resort to humanitarian cant that is flatly contradicted by many of their own actions.
     
    Russia is a Christian country and its culture has a huge overlap with the Western thought. But you are correct, all cultures resort to humanitarian cant. My sense is that outside of the West people don't necessary believe it - they are more self-aware, closer to our biological core. The elaborate Western need to self-justify and resulting big lies are quite unique. When Japanese or Africans want something they don't go through complex virtue justifications, they just do it. But it is true that today the Western influence is so pervasive that one sees the phenomenon everywhere.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @German_reader

    Are you senile? German_reader was referring to the Chinese. The alleged brutality of the Japanese was against the Chinese; if the Japanese are in fact boastful and unapologetic about it, would the Chinese not have nuked Japan many times already?

    Maybe a Japanese scholar will write a book:

    Slovakia’s Holocaust — History of Mass Murder and Rape of Ethnic Germans (1944–1950)

    August 1948, German children deported from the eastern areas taken over by Communist Slovakia, whose parents have murdered by revanchist Slovak death squads

    Many Japanese readers will come away with the conclusion that Slovaks are worse savages than negros.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    There is a difference in this topic between cultures in the First World, Second World and Third World. Although it can be Beckow's argument is true, can be sometimes more related to social norms of the allowed speech, than actual emotions where the difference between cultures could be smaller than the appearance of difference measured in the speech.

    In the First World, the social norm for the speaking is the view "if we killed civilians, this is a crime we should try to avoid or hide". While in parts of the Third World, especially in Islamic countries, norms of speech allow saying "killing civilians, raping their women, beheading them", "we are proud of this".

    Japan is part of the First World category. So, you can expect how they would discuss this. We can see in their external policy they often behave even more Christian than most of the Western countries. They had been sending billions of dollars of aid to China, although China has been investing billions of dollars to create anti-Japan propaganda.

    In the last 60 years, Japan has been apologizing for colonial past, similar to the British apologizing in relation to the British empire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan

    Russia and Ukraine are Second World, with imported European norms. When talking about enemy civilians, the speech is halfway between the attitude of the First World and Third World, depending on the people you are talking with.

    Because of the involuntary Iron Curtain Czechoslovakia was categorized as Second World. But of course, Czechoslovakia is a central European country. Their norms of speech about civilian casualties won't be different much than the Western European countries.

    Replies: @Mikel, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    , @Beckow
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    The alleged brutality of the Japanese was against the Chinese; if the Japanese are in fact boastful and unapologetic about it would the Chinese not have nuked Japan many times already?
     
    "Alleged"? We have another budding fascist-Nazi - this time in love with the Japanese version.

    Re. Chinese revenge: US protected Japan after WW2 so it is a moot point. China, Korea would had acted more brutally. And the Japanese are in general not apologetic - they accept the loss and live with the result.

    Your silly picture could be anywhere in post-WW2 Europe - poverty, people were moved massively including kids. What are you trying to say? That WW2 caused horrible suffering? There are also pictures like that from US during the 1930's. You are either a moron or try to manipulate.

    Regarding the expulsion: Germany in WW2 murdered tens of millions of civilians in eastern Europe. It was not realistic after WW2 to expect that the survivors would not take it out on the local Germans. They did, and it also happened in France, even in Norway. What are you saying? Are you just a Nazi moron?

    Replies: @LatW

  592. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...I don’t think one can discount the influence of Christian guilt culture
     
    My point was that the Christian guilt is a secondary manifestation of consciously wanting to manage that external, inevitable brutality of life. People focus on the guilt part and seldom ask in what context it shows up in the Christian thought.

    Russia, China, Iran etc. also frequently resort to humanitarian cant that is flatly contradicted by many of their own actions.
     
    Russia is a Christian country and its culture has a huge overlap with the Western thought. But you are correct, all cultures resort to humanitarian cant. My sense is that outside of the West people don't necessary believe it - they are more self-aware, closer to our biological core. The elaborate Western need to self-justify and resulting big lies are quite unique. When Japanese or Africans want something they don't go through complex virtue justifications, they just do it. But it is true that today the Western influence is so pervasive that one sees the phenomenon everywhere.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @German_reader

    My point was that the Christian guilt is a secondary manifestation of consciously wanting to manage that external, inevitable brutality of life.

    I’m not sure I understand your argument here…obviously having a sort of inner judge in the form of a conscience prone to experience feelings of guilt can lead to pro-social (or at least avoidance of antisocial) behaviour, like not stealing, not scamming other people etc. even when you could conceivably get away with it. So encouraging such a guilt culture can lead to enhanced societal functioning, high trust etc. (though arguably it may have become maladaptive in today’s West). Do you mean that or are you thinking of something different?

    When Japanese or Africans want something they don’t go through complex virtue justifications

    When the Japanese tried to create an overseas empire, they couched the project in altruistic terms of wanting to liberate their fellow Asians from Western oppression and guide them in paternalistic benevolence…so I’m not convinced the difference is that great, despite the alleged differences between guilt and shame cultures.
    As for Africans, maybe true.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader


    When the Japanese tried to create an overseas empire, they couched the project in altruistic terms of wanting to liberate their fellow Asians from Western oppression and guide them in paternalistic benevolence…so I’m not convinced the difference is that great, despite the alleged differences between guilt and shame cultures.
     
    What Japan wanted with this was a bit similar to the EU, but much less egalitarian, no?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_East_Asia_Co-Prosperity_Sphere

    Also, can't guilt lead to shame and shame lead to guilt?
    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @German_reader

    Japan was part of the Allies in WWI so why would it be anti-Western? Japan's main war aim was anti-Soviet communism.

    Japan took major casualties fighting the Bolsheviks in Russian Civil War

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Siberia-_Civil_War_and_Western_Intervention_1918-1920_Q61674.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Khabarovsk_intervention.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/The_Illustration_of_The_Siberian_War%2C_No._16._The_Japanese_Army_Occupied_Vragaeschensk.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_intervention_in_Siberia

    The Anglo historians took care to not translate this important part. On the top right it says 救露討獨遠征軍画報 "Pictorial report of the Save Russia and Fight Germany Expeditionary Army"

    Because one of Japan's main mission was rescue the Czechoslovak Legion, whose opponent was the German Empire.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Beckow

    , @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...encouraging such a guilt culture can lead to enhanced societal functioning, high trust...
     
    That is the consequence of Christian guilt, but there are other ways to achieve same things in other cultures. I wouldn't give Christianity too much credit...:)

    I was talking about how the guilt appeared in the early Christian writing, 3nd to 5th century AD. The Church fathers where less concerned with consequences like a high trust society and more with the bloody brutality around them. The guilt, repentance, eternal damnation - the belief in the savior because it was better to believe, to have faith, they seem like a way of coping with the brutal state of the Roman world at that time. It helped to have something to that at least in theory managed that in-your-face brutality. That had appeal for the weak in the society, e.g. women.

    Faith and guilt are at the core of Christianity - they are a very interesting development in the human evolution, we are not biologically made for either one.

    Japanese couched the project in altruistic terms of wanting to liberate their fellow Asians from Western oppression
     
    They did, I suppose the Western self-conscious goodie-goodie mentality had penetrated Japan to some extent by then. But it was shallow, the couching was not internalized - e.g. Japanese officers infamously had public competitions for the most beheadings that were covered enthusiastically by the Japanese media, Korean women were considered less than slaves, the random brutality by Japanese was boastful and conscious - they were proud of it, almost in an animal predator way. That didn't exist in Europe.

    But these observations are too categorical - there were similar attitudes among Christian Europeans, especially in the colonies, and when it came to Russians then and now. Maybe there is something about the "other" that triggers even in Europeans their atavistic selfs. (How else can one explain that Baerbock bimbo and her bloody dreams?)
  593. German_reader says:
    @Coconuts
    @German_reader

    I was reading this:



    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tyranny-Guilt-Essay-Western-Masochism/dp/0691143765/ref=sr_1_1?crid=TQVVIR00EO00&keywords=Pascal+Bruckner+Tyranny&qid=1699915437&s=books&sprefix=pascal+bruckner+tyranny%2Cstripbooks%2C90&sr=1-1

    (The original French version is more reasonably priced)

    It was originally written in 2006, he comes from an Enlightenment liberal standpoint. I think what you can say is that all the tendencies he talks about have worsened and the counter-arguments he provides seem weaker now than they would 15 years ago, especially in the Anglo sphere. Even though the points he makes are rational, people just seem to ignore them. Finally in 2006 he still believed the US was an exception to the general trend, now we can see it is a major centre and source of this stuff.

    Replies: @German_reader

    I’ve heard of Bruckner. Haven’t looked into him closer, because tbh these liberal defenses of “Western civ” usually don’t do much for me; too often they amount to vague appeals for “standing up for our values” (which then often turns out to be antiracism, at least of the supposedly moderate kind, and LGBTQ stuff) and/or neoconnish defenses of Western foreign policy projects I regard as harmful and misguided. But thanks for the recommendation, I might look at it.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    It's really weird to see some Progressives picking sides in the Gaza conflict based on a professed belief in LGBT rights.

    Israel is a tiny strip of land. Gaza even much more so. Is it really so important that super-gay, sex tourists be allowed to vacation in Gaza city? Is that worth turning the place to rubble and killing thousands of civilians?

  594. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    My point was that the Christian guilt is a secondary manifestation of consciously wanting to manage that external, inevitable brutality of life.
     
    I'm not sure I understand your argument here...obviously having a sort of inner judge in the form of a conscience prone to experience feelings of guilt can lead to pro-social (or at least avoidance of antisocial) behaviour, like not stealing, not scamming other people etc. even when you could conceivably get away with it. So encouraging such a guilt culture can lead to enhanced societal functioning, high trust etc. (though arguably it may have become maladaptive in today's West). Do you mean that or are you thinking of something different?

    When Japanese or Africans want something they don’t go through complex virtue justifications
     
    When the Japanese tried to create an overseas empire, they couched the project in altruistic terms of wanting to liberate their fellow Asians from Western oppression and guide them in paternalistic benevolence...so I'm not convinced the difference is that great, despite the alleged differences between guilt and shame cultures.
    As for Africans, maybe true.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Beckow

    When the Japanese tried to create an overseas empire, they couched the project in altruistic terms of wanting to liberate their fellow Asians from Western oppression and guide them in paternalistic benevolence…so I’m not convinced the difference is that great, despite the alleged differences between guilt and shame cultures.

    What Japan wanted with this was a bit similar to the EU, but much less egalitarian, no?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_East_Asia_Co-Prosperity_Sphere

    Also, can’t guilt lead to shame and shame lead to guilt?

  595. @John Johnson
    @A123

    And, they are stuck with Biden.

    Why are they stuck with Biden? It's an open primary.

    Polls are showing that Democrat voters are concerned about his age.

    We don't know if Biden actually plans on running again. His word doesn't mean anything. He might be waiting to see if there are any serious challengers.

    I think odds are that we will have a new candidate. His best move will be to retire.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. XYZ

    I think odds are that we will have a new candidate. His best move will be to retire.

    If so, it will likely be Gavin Newsom. Kamala is an underwhelming lightweight, after all. Back in 2020, I expected her to be the next Obama, but it appears that she doesn’t have what it takes for this, unfortunately.

    Kamala’s main value was in helping to secure Georgia for Biden in 2020 (by energizing the black vote there to the extent that she could) and thus in causing Trump to tell Republicans to boycott the Georgia US Senate races in January 2021 because the vote counting in Georgia is allegedly rigged, which in turn resulted in the Democrats winning both of these Georgian US Senate seats and thus control of the US Senate as a whole.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ

    A key question being if Biden doesn't run, will Kamala clash with Newsom? If so, the Dems will shatter themselves. A good number of Dems probably realize she's a lightweight. At the same time, some others in that party might feel compelled to back her if she seeks the presidency.

    Replies: @A123

    , @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ


    I think odds are that we will have a new candidate. His best move will be to retire.
     
    If so, it will likely be Gavin Newsom. Kamala is an underwhelming lightweight, after all.

    It won't be Gavin or Kamala.

    There is too much dirt on Gavin. California will look the other way but not the rest of the country.

    He basically chased too many skirts while married.

    It's a similar situation to Harold Ford. The DNC is afraid of the GOP doing too much of a background check.

    I expected her to be the next Obama, but it appears that she doesn’t have what it takes for this, unfortunately.

    Everyone knows she is a dud. That was made clear with the border interview.

  596. @LatW
    @songbird


    Banning porn would certainly be an interesting experiment. I wonder if it would lead to revolution or higher T causing political changes. But probably not.
     

    Yea, it would be fun to watch what would happen. LOL Who knows... maybe nothing. It might even lead to better quality sex (for some people at least).

    I suspect the pill has been at least 20x more destructive.
     

    Of course. I've only been on the pill for like a week in my whole life and then went off it because I hated how it made me feel. There are probably versions out there where you don't feel anything. Maybe they should ban it, too (if they can provide the welfare for the women). Just kidding. :)

    Late colored?
     

    Sorry, typo, I meant "latte colored" as in light brown. A deep glowing tan. :) Or just brown.

    surely, you have heard of the hate speech stuff?
     
    Well, hate speech laws are of course a slippery slope. Personally, Germany's hate speech laws would be unacceptable for me. Or Russia's for that matter. With growing instability, there will be more security measures as well, sometimes there might be a need to regulate speech so that people don't start killing each other. Diversity + proximity = chaos.

    But Hamas can be jerks, so not sure their accounts should be floating around Europe. I mean, it's good to know what they think and what is going on in their heads (just as an FYI) but not good to spread their propaganda.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Of course. I’ve only been on the pill for like a week in my whole life and then went off it because I hated how it made me feel. There are probably versions out there where you don’t feel anything. Maybe they should ban it, too (if they can provide the welfare for the women). Just kidding.

    Apologies for asking, but what birth control do you generally use?

    Well, hate speech laws are of course a slippery slope. Personally, Germany’s hate speech laws would be unacceptable for me. Or Russia’s for that matter. With growing instability, there will be more security measures as well, sometimes there might be a need to regulate speech so that people don’t start killing each other. Diversity + proximity = chaos.

    The US is very diverse and yet still doesn’t have hate speech laws as of this point in time. This could perhaps change in the future if future generations will be too Woke and thus manage to create a hate speech exception for the First Amendment, but if so, it will likely be driven more by changes in public opinion rather than by changes in demographics. I do hope that this won’t happen, though. The First Amendment as it is is very valuable, after all. And I’m also worried about a slippery slope that results in pro-hereditarian and race realist speech getting suppressed. Heck, I don’t even support criminalizing Holocaust denial because I prefer that their arguments be publicly out there so that people can much more easily respond to them and debunk them. (Though I do understand why countries that actually experienced the Holocaust would criminalize Holocaust denial, at least until the middle of the 21st century or so.)

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Though I do understand why countries that actually experienced the Holocaust would criminalize Holocaust denial, at least until the middle of the 21st century or so.
     
    For countries that experienced the Holocaust, the Holocaust narrative should be controlled by those countries' populations. Criminalization would be too drastic in this case.

    Germany is an exception here, and the victims of German Nazis should not be subjected to what Germany has been subjected to (and in their case it is self-imposed).

    There are a lot of questions about the Holocaust that need answers, and controlling this debate with any kind of legal means may be going too far. The truth is not something that can be controlled with laws.

    However, there may need to be some new approach about what to do with growing anti-Semitism (because some of it is looking pretty insane). But this should be between the Jews and the individual countries, without any kind of meddling from the US, Russia or Germany.

    And frankly, judging from what we saw in London this week, countries formerly occupied by Nazis might be the least of your problem (when it comes to Holocaust denial).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  597. Re: Svido Talking Points

    In their much vaunted offensive, the Kiev regime lost more territory than gained to go along with taking massive casualties. There was no Russian implemented plan to takeover Kiev with only 50,000 troops. Their presence did help to bring the Kiev regime to the negotiating table, where an agreement appeared possible. The West’s hijacking of it is nothing to be proud of.

    ——————-

    An overview of the recent WaPo claim that the Kiev regime did the pipeline damage:

    From the comment section –

    Anyone who thinks Ukraine is capabale of conducting such a sophisticated covert operation in German waters is absolutely delusional. *Correction: not German, but Denmark waters (Denmark and Sweden economic zones)


    Makes sense to blame someone who is already in prison, and Zelensky, who is walking dead.

    Ukraine Military Sitrep – Mud Season & Avdeevka Noose Inches Tighter, US & EU Speed Bumps in Continuing Kiev Regime Aid, US & China Gain Geopolitically from Israeli/Western Genocide in Gaza, more…
    https://marksleboda.substack.com/p/ukraine-military-sitrep-mud-season?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2#details

    Ukr Crisis Deepens; Kiev Begs F16s; Report, Biden Block 2022 Peace Talks; Israel-Hezbollah War Looms

  598. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    My point was that the Christian guilt is a secondary manifestation of consciously wanting to manage that external, inevitable brutality of life.
     
    I'm not sure I understand your argument here...obviously having a sort of inner judge in the form of a conscience prone to experience feelings of guilt can lead to pro-social (or at least avoidance of antisocial) behaviour, like not stealing, not scamming other people etc. even when you could conceivably get away with it. So encouraging such a guilt culture can lead to enhanced societal functioning, high trust etc. (though arguably it may have become maladaptive in today's West). Do you mean that or are you thinking of something different?

    When Japanese or Africans want something they don’t go through complex virtue justifications
     
    When the Japanese tried to create an overseas empire, they couched the project in altruistic terms of wanting to liberate their fellow Asians from Western oppression and guide them in paternalistic benevolence...so I'm not convinced the difference is that great, despite the alleged differences between guilt and shame cultures.
    As for Africans, maybe true.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Beckow

    Japan was part of the Allies in WWI so why would it be anti-Western? Japan’s main war aim was anti-Soviet communism.

    Japan took major casualties fighting the Bolsheviks in Russian Civil War

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_intervention_in_Siberia

    The Anglo historians took care to not translate this important part. On the top right it says 救露討獨遠征軍画報 “Pictorial report of the Save Russia and Fight Germany Expeditionary Army”

    Because one of Japan’s main mission was rescue the Czechoslovak Legion, whose opponent was the German Empire.

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    One cannot understand Japan’s relations with Soviet communism and the Soviet Union without considering Russian-Japanese relations in the long term.

    The Japanese reacted with relative indifference to the execution of Nicholas II and his family in summer 1918. The Japanese government and media dismissed the murder as simply another consequence of the ongoing revolution which they viewed favorably, Russia was to be mortally weakened, predicting the imminent arrival of German troops at Japan’s door via its new Russian colony. This changed only when radical winds began to drift into Korea and China and therefore became a direct threat to Japan's aggressive and expansionist ambitions in Asia.

    As White Russia was disintegrating in 1917, the Japanese Army and Ministry of Foreign Affairs insisted on taking advantage of the chaos to expand Japan’s colonial control both formal and informal into Siberia and the Russian Far East.

    Imperial Japan only opportunistically embraced Anti-Bolshevism. She then provided the largest force among the foreign armies that invaded Russia after the 1917 October Revolution. Japan's role in the foreign intervention against the Russian during the Revolution was opportunistic empire-building for land and resources not sincere Anti-Bolshevism.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    , @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Japan was not in the least concerned with Bolshevism in Russia as long as it aided their goals, what did concern them was the growing popularity of communism in colonial Korea and China, which jeopardized Japan’s empire.

    Recent Korean immigrants with knowledge of the Japanese language served as translators, agents, and informants, providing invaluable help to the Bolsheviks. Korean anti-Japanese resistance fighters volunteered in the thousands, with the internationalist divisions of the Red Army. The Japanese imperial government was extremely concerned with these developments and with reports of increasing military skirmishes on the borders of their brutal empire.

    At the beginning there was cheerful confidence in Tokyo that the Bolsheviks regime would not survive the Japanese intervention and that Japanese plans for the region would inevitably be realized.

    The most curious fact is that the declaration of intervention never identified the Bolshevik regime as the enemy. It was presumed that the Japanese troops were in Russia to “save” it, yet no one in the government publicly identified from whom or from what Russia must be saved. The declaration promised withdrawal once order was restored and renounced any desire to infringe on Russian territorial sovereignty and Russian internal affairs.

    Though it soon became obvious it war against Russia and its people, as the violence became indiscriminate, the Japanese government tirelessly and cynically pronounced its friendship with the Russian people and insisted it was acting in their interest.

    In reality, however, the Japanese government was busy exploring new economic opportunities. A new special commission for Siberian economic aid was created “to establish a basis for Japanese economic activities in opposition to the acquisition of concessions by the United States and other countries.” The Russo-Japanese Trading Company, the Far East Business Development Corporation, and the Russo-Japanese Bank were organized for the purpose of entering the mining, oil production, forestry, fisheries, and related transport industries.

    , @Beckow
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    ...Japan’s main war aim was anti-Soviet communism.
     
    Sure, that's why they attacked Philippines, Indonesia, China - all communist, right? And Singapore, another commie hotbed.

    Are you really this stupid or do you believe the nonsense you write.

    Japan’s main mission was rescue the Czechoslovak Legion, whose opponent was the German Empire.
     
    Japan couldn't find Czechoslovakia on the map if you killed them. And by 1918 the Legion couldn't find the German Empire since it ceased to exist.

    Are you really this stupid or do you believe the nonsense you write?

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  599. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    I think odds are that we will have a new candidate. His best move will be to retire.
     
    If so, it will likely be Gavin Newsom. Kamala is an underwhelming lightweight, after all. Back in 2020, I expected her to be the next Obama, but it appears that she doesn't have what it takes for this, unfortunately.

    Kamala's main value was in helping to secure Georgia for Biden in 2020 (by energizing the black vote there to the extent that she could) and thus in causing Trump to tell Republicans to boycott the Georgia US Senate races in January 2021 because the vote counting in Georgia is allegedly rigged, which in turn resulted in the Democrats winning both of these Georgian US Senate seats and thus control of the US Senate as a whole.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @John Johnson

    A key question being if Biden doesn’t run, will Kamala clash with Newsom? If so, the Dems will shatter themselves. A good number of Dems probably realize she’s a lightweight. At the same time, some others in that party might feel compelled to back her if she seeks the presidency.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikhail


    A key question being if Biden doesn’t run, will Kamala clash with Newsom? If so, the Dems will shatter themselves.
     
    The concepts are more primal:

    • The Patriarchy
    • White Privilege

    Even if Not-The-VP Harris backs Newsom, it will not work. If the Veggie-in-Chief is to be replaced, the only way to avoid detonating the party is selecting a PoC female.

    Rashida Tlaib was born in Detroit. She is the ultimate choice for Democrat party's core SJW🏳️‍🌈Muslim values.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

  600. Is the Windy City a beacon of common sense? (1)

    Chicago is so unpleasant migrants are fleeing BACK to Venezuela.

    After five months of rough living with no end in sight, the family decided to pack up their belongings and return to South America, realizing that ‘there’s nothing here for us.’

    Castejon said the failed journey to settle in the US had not been worth it, despite the extreme poverty and an authoritarian regime they were living under in Venezuela.

    After months of begging for money and crossing borders, the dreams that he had heard of from other migrants had failed to materialize for him, he revealed.

    Michael Castejon, 39, told the Chicago Tribune: ‘The American Dream doesn’t exist anymore. There’s nothing here for us.

    ‘We didn’t know things would be this hard. I thought the process was faster,’ he said about the job permit situation in Chicago.

    ‘How many more months of living in the streets will it take? No, no more. It’s better that I leave. At least I have my mother back home.

    ‘We just want to be home. If we’re going to be sleeping in the streets here, we’d rather be sleeping in the streets over there.’

    Castejon’s stepdaughter Andrea Carolina Sevilla could not find a school to be enrolled in when they arrived in the US, despite one of the reasons they left their native home was to give her a better education.

    If migrants cannot undercut native workers via lower wages, they will not stay.

    Why did it take a deep blue city to prove this obvious truth?

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12739955/Chicago-unpleasant-migrants-fleeing-Venezuela-shelters.html

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @A123

    I'm sad that he left, actually. He should have been given the opportunity to legally work here, along with his family. He might have been better off trying his luck in another US sanctuary city rather than moving back to Venezuela.

  601. @Greasy William
    @LatW


    Btw, your brother may not think his life sucks, it might be just your subjective view (that he may not share).
     
    No he definitely thinks his life is mediocre. He once admitted to me that if an asteroid destroyed the entire earth he wouldn't really care. He loves his wife and kids and hates being apart from them but he also admits that his family isn't enough to make him happy.

    His wife, otoh, loves her life. She is one of those people who really only needs her family to be happy. My own sister is the same way. My mom was the same way but my dad definitely wasn't (although he likely had clinical depression).

    Both sets of my grandparents were the types of couples that were just as in love at 90 as they were at 19. I remember my sister describing it as "cute" and I just thought it was gross. It was definitely not what I wanted.

    Replies: @LatW, @Greasy William, @John Johnson

    No he definitely thinks his life is mediocre. He once admitted to me that if an asteroid destroyed the entire earth he wouldn’t really care. He loves his wife and kids and hates being apart from them but he also admits that his family isn’t enough to make him happy.

    How can he love his wife and kids if he doesn’t care if they were hit by an asteroid?

    I’m surprised by how many people think that having a career with prestige would make them happy.

    Corporate America is a joke. Maybe it was fun during the 50s but the environment is so PC and stupid now. I honestly pity the executives. The amount of bullshit they have to do outside of work is insane. Texting and chatting during vacations while having to pretend the rhino in the room isn’t there. I have a friend that switched to blue collar work out of frustration with idiot managers. He has never been happier. Took a pay hit but doesn’t seem to care.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @John Johnson


    How can he love his wife and kids if he doesn’t care if they were hit by an asteroid?
     
    I was abbreviating. He meant that he would be sorry for the sake of his wife and kids but he wouldn't feel like he personally was losing anything special. He just doesn't enjoy his life that much.

    I’m surprised by how many people think that having a career with prestige would make them happy.
     
    I think if my brother were a successful actor and musician like he always wanted to be, that he'd be pretty happy. Although maybe not.

    Me on the other hand, there is absolutely nothing that could make me happy. A wife and kids would have the reverse effect, I literally would rather kill myself than have a family of my own. And I don't care about career or money. Even making me into a 6'5", 20 year old Chad wouldn't make me happy.

    So what else is there for me? The only time I'm truly happy is when I am whacked out of my mind on drugs. And the thing is, it's not like I'm unhappy or anything. I suspect I am probably happier than most Americans. It's just... not enough. I don't know.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  602. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    I think odds are that we will have a new candidate. His best move will be to retire.
     
    If so, it will likely be Gavin Newsom. Kamala is an underwhelming lightweight, after all. Back in 2020, I expected her to be the next Obama, but it appears that she doesn't have what it takes for this, unfortunately.

    Kamala's main value was in helping to secure Georgia for Biden in 2020 (by energizing the black vote there to the extent that she could) and thus in causing Trump to tell Republicans to boycott the Georgia US Senate races in January 2021 because the vote counting in Georgia is allegedly rigged, which in turn resulted in the Democrats winning both of these Georgian US Senate seats and thus control of the US Senate as a whole.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @John Johnson

    I think odds are that we will have a new candidate. His best move will be to retire.

    If so, it will likely be Gavin Newsom. Kamala is an underwhelming lightweight, after all.

    It won’t be Gavin or Kamala.

    There is too much dirt on Gavin. California will look the other way but not the rest of the country.

    He basically chased too many skirts while married.

    It’s a similar situation to Harold Ford. The DNC is afraid of the GOP doing too much of a background check.

    I expected her to be the next Obama, but it appears that she doesn’t have what it takes for this, unfortunately.

    Everyone knows she is a dud. That was made clear with the border interview.

  603. @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ

    A key question being if Biden doesn't run, will Kamala clash with Newsom? If so, the Dems will shatter themselves. A good number of Dems probably realize she's a lightweight. At the same time, some others in that party might feel compelled to back her if she seeks the presidency.

    Replies: @A123

    A key question being if Biden doesn’t run, will Kamala clash with Newsom? If so, the Dems will shatter themselves.

    The concepts are more primal:

    • The Patriarchy
    • White Privilege

    Even if Not-The-VP Harris backs Newsom, it will not work. If the Veggie-in-Chief is to be replaced, the only way to avoid detonating the party is selecting a PoC female.

    Rashida Tlaib was born in Detroit. She is the ultimate choice for Democrat party’s core SJW🏳️‍🌈Muslim values.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    Even if Not-The-VP Harris backs Newsom, it will not work. If the Veggie-in-Chief is to be replaced, the only way to avoid detonating the party is selecting a PoC female.

    Then why didn't they select one last time?

    It's an open primary. Left-wingers can write all the articles they want about how the candidate should be a Black tranny. That's nice but the candidate is chosen by state electors and not Wapo journalists.

    Rashida Tlaib was born in Detroit. She is the ultimate choice for Democrat party’s core SJW🏳️‍🌈Muslim values.

    The DNC would prefer it if she left and founded her own pro-Hamas party. They are embarrassed by her and the squad. A bitter bitch league that should move to Gaza.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @A123

  604. @A123
    @Mikhail


    A key question being if Biden doesn’t run, will Kamala clash with Newsom? If so, the Dems will shatter themselves.
     
    The concepts are more primal:

    • The Patriarchy
    • White Privilege

    Even if Not-The-VP Harris backs Newsom, it will not work. If the Veggie-in-Chief is to be replaced, the only way to avoid detonating the party is selecting a PoC female.

    Rashida Tlaib was born in Detroit. She is the ultimate choice for Democrat party's core SJW🏳️‍🌈Muslim values.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Even if Not-The-VP Harris backs Newsom, it will not work. If the Veggie-in-Chief is to be replaced, the only way to avoid detonating the party is selecting a PoC female.

    Then why didn’t they select one last time?

    It’s an open primary. Left-wingers can write all the articles they want about how the candidate should be a Black tranny. That’s nice but the candidate is chosen by state electors and not Wapo journalists.

    Rashida Tlaib was born in Detroit. She is the ultimate choice for Democrat party’s core SJW🏳️‍🌈Muslim values.

    The DNC would prefer it if she left and founded her own pro-Hamas party. They are embarrassed by her and the squad. A bitter bitch league that should move to Gaza.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @John Johnson

    Without the backing of Muslims and Progressives, the Dems are worth maybe 35% of the popular vote. Tlaib and Omar both should have been expelled from the party years ago but the Dems can't do so because it would end them on the national level

    , @A123
    @John Johnson


    Then why didn’t they select one last time? It’s an open primary
     
    I kindly refer the gentleman to the answer I gave some moments ago.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-234/#comment-6261248


    Rashida Tlaib was born in Detroit. She is the ultimate choice for Democrat party’s core SJW🏳️‍🌈Muslim values.
     
    The DNC would prefer it if she left and founded her own pro-Hamas party. They are embarrassed by her and the squad.
     
    Anti-Semites and The Squad are banner carriers for the DNC. The Globalist raison d'etre is loathing of Judeo-Christian values. They serve a futile existence circumscribed within a ring of hate.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

  605. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    Of course. I’ve only been on the pill for like a week in my whole life and then went off it because I hated how it made me feel. There are probably versions out there where you don’t feel anything. Maybe they should ban it, too (if they can provide the welfare for the women). Just kidding.
     
    Apologies for asking, but what birth control do you generally use?

    Well, hate speech laws are of course a slippery slope. Personally, Germany’s hate speech laws would be unacceptable for me. Or Russia’s for that matter. With growing instability, there will be more security measures as well, sometimes there might be a need to regulate speech so that people don’t start killing each other. Diversity + proximity = chaos.
     
    The US is very diverse and yet still doesn't have hate speech laws as of this point in time. This could perhaps change in the future if future generations will be too Woke and thus manage to create a hate speech exception for the First Amendment, but if so, it will likely be driven more by changes in public opinion rather than by changes in demographics. I do hope that this won't happen, though. The First Amendment as it is is very valuable, after all. And I'm also worried about a slippery slope that results in pro-hereditarian and race realist speech getting suppressed. Heck, I don't even support criminalizing Holocaust denial because I prefer that their arguments be publicly out there so that people can much more easily respond to them and debunk them. (Though I do understand why countries that actually experienced the Holocaust would criminalize Holocaust denial, at least until the middle of the 21st century or so.)

    Replies: @LatW

    Though I do understand why countries that actually experienced the Holocaust would criminalize Holocaust denial, at least until the middle of the 21st century or so.

    For countries that experienced the Holocaust, the Holocaust narrative should be controlled by those countries’ populations. Criminalization would be too drastic in this case.

    Germany is an exception here, and the victims of German Nazis should not be subjected to what Germany has been subjected to (and in their case it is self-imposed).

    There are a lot of questions about the Holocaust that need answers, and controlling this debate with any kind of legal means may be going too far. The truth is not something that can be controlled with laws.

    However, there may need to be some new approach about what to do with growing anti-Semitism (because some of it is looking pretty insane). But this should be between the Jews and the individual countries, without any kind of meddling from the US, Russia or Germany.

    And frankly, judging from what we saw in London this week, countries formerly occupied by Nazis might be the least of your problem (when it comes to Holocaust denial).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Yeah, I do agree that proper research on the Holocaust should be done, and any attempts to challenge the historical narrative, even in a good faith way, can be characterized at least as Holocaust minimization, which I view as problematic. I do think that there should be opportunities to challenge the historical narrative on the Holocaust, even if one's research is wrong, without being prosecuted for this.

  606. @John Johnson
    @Greasy William

    No he definitely thinks his life is mediocre. He once admitted to me that if an asteroid destroyed the entire earth he wouldn’t really care. He loves his wife and kids and hates being apart from them but he also admits that his family isn’t enough to make him happy.

    How can he love his wife and kids if he doesn't care if they were hit by an asteroid?

    I'm surprised by how many people think that having a career with prestige would make them happy.

    Corporate America is a joke. Maybe it was fun during the 50s but the environment is so PC and stupid now. I honestly pity the executives. The amount of bullshit they have to do outside of work is insane. Texting and chatting during vacations while having to pretend the rhino in the room isn't there. I have a friend that switched to blue collar work out of frustration with idiot managers. He has never been happier. Took a pay hit but doesn't seem to care.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    How can he love his wife and kids if he doesn’t care if they were hit by an asteroid?

    I was abbreviating. He meant that he would be sorry for the sake of his wife and kids but he wouldn’t feel like he personally was losing anything special. He just doesn’t enjoy his life that much.

    I’m surprised by how many people think that having a career with prestige would make them happy.

    I think if my brother were a successful actor and musician like he always wanted to be, that he’d be pretty happy. Although maybe not.

    Me on the other hand, there is absolutely nothing that could make me happy. A wife and kids would have the reverse effect, I literally would rather kill myself than have a family of my own. And I don’t care about career or money. Even making me into a 6’5″, 20 year old Chad wouldn’t make me happy.

    So what else is there for me? The only time I’m truly happy is when I am whacked out of my mind on drugs. And the thing is, it’s not like I’m unhappy or anything. I suspect I am probably happier than most Americans. It’s just… not enough. I don’t know.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Greasy William

    I think if my brother were a successful actor and musician like he always wanted to be, that he’d be pretty happy. Although maybe not.

    The Hollywood curse. They sit around thinking "what if" and it makes them unhappy.

    Same problem with the sports curse. But sports at least keep you in shape and for some guys it really keeps them out of trouble.

    Me on the other hand, there is absolutely nothing that could make me happy. A wife and kids would have the reverse effect, I literally would rather kill myself than have a family of my own.

    But how would you actually know that?

    I found having a family to be far more satisfying than I imagined.

    I was surprised by how much better it is to have your own kids vs watching someone else's.

    When I was single I also imagined being married to be somewhat of a lie. As in you pick a woman and tolerate her while golfing with guys on the weekend. I didn't think I would marry someone I like being around. It happens.

    So what else is there for me? The only time I’m truly happy is when I am whacked out of my mind on drugs. And the thing is, it’s not like I’m unhappy or anything. I suspect I am probably happier than most Americans.

    Where do you live? Some people don't realize how incompatible they are with European/Northern American climates until they move. They assume they are prone to depression but just lack sunlight.

  607. @John Johnson
    @A123

    Even if Not-The-VP Harris backs Newsom, it will not work. If the Veggie-in-Chief is to be replaced, the only way to avoid detonating the party is selecting a PoC female.

    Then why didn't they select one last time?

    It's an open primary. Left-wingers can write all the articles they want about how the candidate should be a Black tranny. That's nice but the candidate is chosen by state electors and not Wapo journalists.

    Rashida Tlaib was born in Detroit. She is the ultimate choice for Democrat party’s core SJW🏳️‍🌈Muslim values.

    The DNC would prefer it if she left and founded her own pro-Hamas party. They are embarrassed by her and the squad. A bitter bitch league that should move to Gaza.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @A123

    Without the backing of Muslims and Progressives, the Dems are worth maybe 35% of the popular vote. Tlaib and Omar both should have been expelled from the party years ago but the Dems can’t do so because it would end them on the national level

  608. @John Johnson
    @A123

    Even if Not-The-VP Harris backs Newsom, it will not work. If the Veggie-in-Chief is to be replaced, the only way to avoid detonating the party is selecting a PoC female.

    Then why didn't they select one last time?

    It's an open primary. Left-wingers can write all the articles they want about how the candidate should be a Black tranny. That's nice but the candidate is chosen by state electors and not Wapo journalists.

    Rashida Tlaib was born in Detroit. She is the ultimate choice for Democrat party’s core SJW🏳️‍🌈Muslim values.

    The DNC would prefer it if she left and founded her own pro-Hamas party. They are embarrassed by her and the squad. A bitter bitch league that should move to Gaza.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @A123

    Then why didn’t they select one last time? It’s an open primary

    I kindly refer the gentleman to the answer I gave some moments ago.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-234/#comment-6261248

    Rashida Tlaib was born in Detroit. She is the ultimate choice for Democrat party’s core SJW🏳️‍🌈Muslim values.

    The DNC would prefer it if she left and founded her own pro-Hamas party. They are embarrassed by her and the squad.

    Anti-Semites and The Squad are banner carriers for the DNC. The Globalist raison d’etre is loathing of Judeo-Christian values. They serve a futile existence circumscribed within a ring of hate.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    Anti-Semites and The Squad are banner carriers for the DNC. The Globalist raison d’etre is loathing of Judeo-Christian values. They serve a futile existence circumscribed within a ring of hate.

    You're focusing too much on the MSM and the left.

    They certainly exist and have influence but there are also mainstream Democrats spread across the country. The primary election is similar to the real election in that NY and California cannot choose the candidate. They would like to but that is not how it works.

    In the last election the left declared that the candidate must be a non-White woman.

    The final two were a Jew that had been kicked out of a commune for being lazy and a White man who had failed 3 times previously at running for president.

    Leftists can write a thousand op-ends on how we need to elect a non-White woman. Doesn't mean those words have any bearing on reality.

    The country already elected an Affirmative Action president. Both mainstream right and left told us it would improve race relations. Well that didn't happen and an AA president is now a tougher sell.

    Replies: @A123

  609. @Greasy William
    @John Johnson


    How can he love his wife and kids if he doesn’t care if they were hit by an asteroid?
     
    I was abbreviating. He meant that he would be sorry for the sake of his wife and kids but he wouldn't feel like he personally was losing anything special. He just doesn't enjoy his life that much.

    I’m surprised by how many people think that having a career with prestige would make them happy.
     
    I think if my brother were a successful actor and musician like he always wanted to be, that he'd be pretty happy. Although maybe not.

    Me on the other hand, there is absolutely nothing that could make me happy. A wife and kids would have the reverse effect, I literally would rather kill myself than have a family of my own. And I don't care about career or money. Even making me into a 6'5", 20 year old Chad wouldn't make me happy.

    So what else is there for me? The only time I'm truly happy is when I am whacked out of my mind on drugs. And the thing is, it's not like I'm unhappy or anything. I suspect I am probably happier than most Americans. It's just... not enough. I don't know.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I think if my brother were a successful actor and musician like he always wanted to be, that he’d be pretty happy. Although maybe not.

    The Hollywood curse. They sit around thinking “what if” and it makes them unhappy.

    Same problem with the sports curse. But sports at least keep you in shape and for some guys it really keeps them out of trouble.

    Me on the other hand, there is absolutely nothing that could make me happy. A wife and kids would have the reverse effect, I literally would rather kill myself than have a family of my own.

    But how would you actually know that?

    I found having a family to be far more satisfying than I imagined.

    I was surprised by how much better it is to have your own kids vs watching someone else’s.

    When I was single I also imagined being married to be somewhat of a lie. As in you pick a woman and tolerate her while golfing with guys on the weekend. I didn’t think I would marry someone I like being around. It happens.

    So what else is there for me? The only time I’m truly happy is when I am whacked out of my mind on drugs. And the thing is, it’s not like I’m unhappy or anything. I suspect I am probably happier than most Americans.

    Where do you live? Some people don’t realize how incompatible they are with European/Northern American climates until they move. They assume they are prone to depression but just lack sunlight.

  610. @A123
    @John Johnson


    Then why didn’t they select one last time? It’s an open primary
     
    I kindly refer the gentleman to the answer I gave some moments ago.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-234/#comment-6261248


    Rashida Tlaib was born in Detroit. She is the ultimate choice for Democrat party’s core SJW🏳️‍🌈Muslim values.
     
    The DNC would prefer it if she left and founded her own pro-Hamas party. They are embarrassed by her and the squad.
     
    Anti-Semites and The Squad are banner carriers for the DNC. The Globalist raison d'etre is loathing of Judeo-Christian values. They serve a futile existence circumscribed within a ring of hate.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Anti-Semites and The Squad are banner carriers for the DNC. The Globalist raison d’etre is loathing of Judeo-Christian values. They serve a futile existence circumscribed within a ring of hate.

    You’re focusing too much on the MSM and the left.

    They certainly exist and have influence but there are also mainstream Democrats spread across the country. The primary election is similar to the real election in that NY and California cannot choose the candidate. They would like to but that is not how it works.

    In the last election the left declared that the candidate must be a non-White woman.

    The final two were a Jew that had been kicked out of a commune for being lazy and a White man who had failed 3 times previously at running for president.

    Leftists can write a thousand op-ends on how we need to elect a non-White woman. Doesn’t mean those words have any bearing on reality.

    The country already elected an Affirmative Action president. Both mainstream right and left told us it would improve race relations. Well that didn’t happen and an AA president is now a tougher sell.

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson

    Your acceptance of the Fake Stream Media narrative is stunningly naive. Why do you believe the MSNBC story that anyone can join any race at any time?

    The reality of the situation is vastly more mundane and complex. Campaigns need advance fund raising. That is used to obtain staff in 50 states. Those 50 local operations spend months obtaining ballot access. All of this has to successfully execute before the primary/caucus filing date passes.

    We are already well past the point where a cold start campaign would be excluded from the opportunity to run in certainly states. Give it another 30-45 days, and it becomes mathematically impossible to acquire enough delegates. It is simply too late to use the "open primary" mechanic to displace Not-The-President Biden.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

  611. @John Johnson
    @A123

    Anti-Semites and The Squad are banner carriers for the DNC. The Globalist raison d’etre is loathing of Judeo-Christian values. They serve a futile existence circumscribed within a ring of hate.

    You're focusing too much on the MSM and the left.

    They certainly exist and have influence but there are also mainstream Democrats spread across the country. The primary election is similar to the real election in that NY and California cannot choose the candidate. They would like to but that is not how it works.

    In the last election the left declared that the candidate must be a non-White woman.

    The final two were a Jew that had been kicked out of a commune for being lazy and a White man who had failed 3 times previously at running for president.

    Leftists can write a thousand op-ends on how we need to elect a non-White woman. Doesn't mean those words have any bearing on reality.

    The country already elected an Affirmative Action president. Both mainstream right and left told us it would improve race relations. Well that didn't happen and an AA president is now a tougher sell.

    Replies: @A123

    Your acceptance of the Fake Stream Media narrative is stunningly naive. Why do you believe the MSNBC story that anyone can join any race at any time?

    The reality of the situation is vastly more mundane and complex. Campaigns need advance fund raising. That is used to obtain staff in 50 states. Those 50 local operations spend months obtaining ballot access. All of this has to successfully execute before the primary/caucus filing date passes.

    We are already well past the point where a cold start campaign would be excluded from the opportunity to run in certainly states. Give it another 30-45 days, and it becomes mathematically impossible to acquire enough delegates. It is simply too late to use the “open primary” mechanic to displace Not-The-President Biden.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    Your acceptance of the Fake Stream Media narrative is stunningly naive.

    Pointing out that the MSM doesn't control the primary is naive? Did they get a Black woman last time as the candidate or not?

    Why do you believe the MSNBC story that anyone can join any race at any time?

    Anyone can run for president. If you have actually voted then you would see the odd-ball left-wing candidates that never get more than 1000 votes:
    https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_candidates,_2020

    You seem unfamiliar with our voting system. Are you even American?

    The reality of the situation is vastly more mundane and complex. Campaigns need advance fund raising.

    What exactly did I say is incorrect? Please quote me.

    Maybe you didn't notice that the Democrat primary in 2020 had over a dozen candidates:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_candidates

    That included Kamala Harris. She didn't even pull her own state.

    Practically any Democrat rep or governor can run. They don't need millions to enter the race. The DNC will provide the funds to the final candidate. Obama certainly didn't start with millions.

    As I said the MSM and left can demand a Black female candidate but that doesn't mean they control the primary or the outcome. Harris bombed as a presidential candidate.

    It is simply too late to use the “open primary” mechanic to displace Not-The-President Biden.

    The primary will happen and Biden will be up for a vote.

    Whether or not the Democrats replace him is unknown. It is also unknown if he will actually run. His numbers continue to decline and he may decide to pull out.

    You don't know the future and I can tell you that your predictions on Trump are way off. He is not looking good in the current trial and the take home documents case is worse.

    Replies: @A123

  612. @German_reader
    @AP


    Ukraine still also gets funding from Europe.
     
    Sure, but if Ukraine wants to do another offensive next year (provided it still has the manpower for that), it will need hundreds of additional tanks, APCs and artillery pieces. Where are those supposed to come from? Certainly not from Europe, because the stocks for that don't exist and giving away much more from the inventory of already fragile European militaries would be irresponsible.
    The US of course is sitting on thousands of Abrams tanks, but somehow I doubt they'll be released in great numbers. And of course there's the matter of training Ukrainians to use them.
    There's all this talk about missiles, F-16s and the like, but what are these worth without the more basic elements necessary for offensive operations?
    Given the lack of success of this year's offensive, one has to ask what the strategy now is supposed to be.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    Certainly not from Europe, because the stocks for that don’t exist and giving away much more from the inventory of already fragile European militaries would be irresponsible.

    Can Europeans boost arms production?

  613. @A123
    Is the Windy City a beacon of common sense? (1)

    Chicago is so unpleasant migrants are fleeing BACK to Venezuela.

     

    After five months of rough living with no end in sight, the family decided to pack up their belongings and return to South America, realizing that 'there's nothing here for us.'

    Castejon said the failed journey to settle in the US had not been worth it, despite the extreme poverty and an authoritarian regime they were living under in Venezuela.

    After months of begging for money and crossing borders, the dreams that he had heard of from other migrants had failed to materialize for him, he revealed.

    Michael Castejon, 39, told the Chicago Tribune: 'The American Dream doesn't exist anymore. There's nothing here for us.

    'We didn't know things would be this hard. I thought the process was faster,' he said about the job permit situation in Chicago.

    'How many more months of living in the streets will it take? No, no more. It's better that I leave. At least I have my mother back home.

    'We just want to be home. If we're going to be sleeping in the streets here, we'd rather be sleeping in the streets over there.'

    Castejon's stepdaughter Andrea Carolina Sevilla could not find a school to be enrolled in when they arrived in the US, despite one of the reasons they left their native home was to give her a better education.

     

    If migrants cannot undercut native workers via lower wages, they will not stay.

    Why did it take a deep blue city to prove this obvious truth?


    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12739955/Chicago-unpleasant-migrants-fleeing-Venezuela-shelters.html

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    I’m sad that he left, actually. He should have been given the opportunity to legally work here, along with his family. He might have been better off trying his luck in another US sanctuary city rather than moving back to Venezuela.

  614. EDC Belt Update

    [MORE]

    2x Double Mag, GP Ifak + Multi-tool

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    You need a real man's toy like a Smith & Wesson 357 Magnum. Don't they still let you have guns in Canada? You need to defend yourself from polar bears and wolves.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  615. @German_reader
    @AP


    Ukraine still also gets funding from Europe.
     
    Sure, but if Ukraine wants to do another offensive next year (provided it still has the manpower for that), it will need hundreds of additional tanks, APCs and artillery pieces. Where are those supposed to come from? Certainly not from Europe, because the stocks for that don't exist and giving away much more from the inventory of already fragile European militaries would be irresponsible.
    The US of course is sitting on thousands of Abrams tanks, but somehow I doubt they'll be released in great numbers. And of course there's the matter of training Ukrainians to use them.
    There's all this talk about missiles, F-16s and the like, but what are these worth without the more basic elements necessary for offensive operations?
    Given the lack of success of this year's offensive, one has to ask what the strategy now is supposed to be.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    Given the lack of success of this year’s offensive, one has to ask what the strategy now is supposed to be.

    While not much ground has changed, there is a question about how much casualties the Russians are suffering relative to the Ukrainians. If the ratio is consistently heavily in Ukraine’s favor, in terms of both men and equipment, the current territorial stalemate may mask the actual situation. We won’t know that until something (or nothing) happens in the next few months.

    • LOL: Mikhail
  616. @Sher Singh
    EDC Belt Update



    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1150620697639530561/1173771521920090213/c974ee3f-be97-4d8c-89ae-1b0461bbf5ff.png

    2x Double Mag, GP Ifak + Multi-tool

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    You need a real man’s toy like a Smith & Wesson 357 Magnum. Don’t they still let you have guns in Canada? You need to defend yourself from polar bears and wolves.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I went with Ruger.
    The S&W was over a grand.

  617. @Mikhail
    @AP

    Keep projecting oh anonymous svido troll.

    Zelensky and yourself both exhibit man child like manner unlike yous truly. All the degrees, marriages and children in the world can't offset that.

    Zelensky with his dressing up as (take your pick) GI Joe or a custodian at formal gatherings, dropping the F bomb during a US nationally televised interview and his reported nuisance gimme manner aren't my style. In comparison, the usually informal in style Max Blumenthal, Danny Haiphong, George Szamuely and Randy Credico dress appropriately when speaking at the UN.

    Your primitive off topic ad hominem banter after getting debunked on the intended subject matter is indicative of your severe shortcomings. To get to your very low level (which isn't difficult), do you actually breed? A scary thought.

    It's quite clear that on the intended subject matters for discussion, you haven't been academically referenced, along with having no major mass media guest appearances on account of being a poor interlocutor and intellect.

    Replies: @AP

    Zelensky and yourself both exhibit man child like manner unlike yous truly.

    You never married and never had children.

    Have you had a career of any kind?

    Writing (incompetently) a lot of simple nonsense isn’t a career.

    So you never did grown up things.

    You are a man child.

    As a man child, you actually think that something like the clothes Zelensky wears determines how much of an “adult” he is. Meanwhile, unlike you, Zelensky is an adult married man (married 20 years to the same woman) with a career and children.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP

    To once again get to your very low level of discourse (which isn't hard to do), yo momma is a man child as they say in the hood.

    You don't know jack about me punk. I'd like to keep it that way. Plenty of married and non-married people who're either good or not. Zelensky and yourself are in the latter category.

    A head of state dressing as GI Joe at formal gatherings is (put mildly) a bit off. It's not like he has a hero like warrior past.

    Keep making a fool of yourself here. As previously noted -

    Your primitive off topic ad hominem banter after getting debunked on the intended subject matter is indicative of your severe shortcomings. To get to your very low level (which isn’t difficult), do you actually breed? A scary thought.

    It’s quite clear that on the intended subject matters for discussion, you haven’t been academically referenced, along with having no major mass media guest appearances on account of being a poor interlocutor and intellect.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    , @Greasy William
    @AP

    Zelensky showed genuine heroism in the early days of the war, but his behavior since then has been bizarre and off putting

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Not all that goes under the rubric of "manchild" is inferior. Some real nice funky grooves here:

    https://open.spotify.com/album/5ez9bb1h1hOLV8Wb5YCmkj?si=TIKZ-DGjRyKgGGU4tIysvg
    :-)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  618. @Dmitry
    @AP

    It's a small video in the center of the capital city so not a representative sample, but this second video looks like it could indicate a lot of gender disbalance, with floods of young women around ages of 18-25. There cannot be seen so many military age men.

    Although flooding of the city by young women is normal in the postsoviet capital cities, as they are more geographically mobile compared to young men, also visit the center of the city for shopping and coffee.

    But it looks like more gender disbalance than normal, with women groups walking in the streets in Kiev, which could be influence of the war. In the peacetime postsoviet students' culture, it's also normally common to go to the city in mix-gender groups.

    Replies: @AP

    It’s a small video in the center of the capital city so not a representative sample

    It’s the first ones I found when looking for Kyiv 2023. It’s better to look at downtowns because then you see people.

    this second video looks like it could indicate a lot of gender disbalance, with floods of young women around ages of 18-25. There cannot be seen so many military age men.

    Really? Where?

    Plenty of males in the beginning, 1:13 a few of them around their motorcycles, some at 3:51.

    I haven’t counted, I wouldn’t doubt that there is an imbalance but it does not seem to be a great one.

    Lviv 2023:

    guys waiting to get into a pub at :22, plenty of men going about their business at 1:12, look at all the males at the cafe at 1:50.

    Dnipropetrovsk 2023:

    Definitely more women than men in this city. But men are far from absent.

    Note that in addition to men being present in numbers, they aren’t hiding out of fear of being mobilized, either (s0me gullible idiots believe that in an to a million casualties the few remaining men in Ukraine fear getting kidnapped and forced into the army).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AP


    Lviv 2023:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ItPQj8zz3k

     

    There's also definitely significantly more women in the street than men. Although the age of the people is maybe more 25-45.

    It's funny street music they play at 8:15 is "Hevenu Shalom Alechem", Hasidic music in the plaza where there is a UPA flag.


    men being present in numbers, they aren’t hiding out of fear of being mobilized, either (s0me gullible idiots believe that in an to a million casualties
     
    It wouldn't indicated something about number of the people killed, but number of men who are mobilized relative to women, also the number of people who have evacuated as refugees to Europe.

    In a country with 40 million people, even if there were 50,000 casualties, it wouldn't be something you could see on the streets. But if they mobilize one or two million young men this could be perhaps something you could see.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

  619. @AP
    @Mikhail


    The recent Time article on Zelensky and Economist piece regarding Zaluzhny reveal the otherwise obvious
     
    First was an article by Arestovych, a disgruntled guy who had been kicked out of Zelensky’s inner circle. Second was an interview by a man with an agenda of getting more aid and better weapons.

    A thinking person, which you are not, would take neither at face value.

    Let me guess: when people interested in getting more money for the US defence industry wrote about America being outclassed by the Russian military - you believed that, too.

    The Kiev regime has incurred quite significant armed combatant casualty figures
     
    I’m sure they did. 80,000 - 120,000 KIA is significant and very tragic. (though come to think of, the low estimate could be lower, maybe 70,000)

    300,000 or 500,000 KIA (MacGregor? Ritter? I lost track), which would be about a million or more casualties, is a number only for morons.

    A thinking person, which you are not, would wonder how Ukraine managed not only to not crumble, but to hold the Russians back while losing a million or so men killed and injured. Or how it’s economy has grown this year.

    Here is Kiev in 2023:

    https://youtu.be/zyb8nDARRTw?si=raRfmI4-DVy1OttS

    https://youtu.be/75_FfQGIlvk?si=wJ-sVeY-xhUOvKZc

    Quite a few men going about their business. Dumb Mikhail thinks they must all be dead, injured or in the army, but there they are.

    Yeah, looks like a country where a million people have been casualties.

    thereby explaining the numerous videos of press gangs trying to round up recruits and recent efforts to get women to play a more active fighting role
     
    Conscription exists. Do you think 300,000 Americans died in the Vietnam war because a bunch of people fled to Canada?

    Do you think 300,000 Israelis have died because Israel has female soldiers?

    :::::

    I also think that the figure of 300,000 dead Russians is not realistic, though it may be half of that or slightly more than half. Russia would implement mass mobilisation or would leave if it lost 300,000 killed.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mikhail, @Sean

    Russia would implement mass mobilisation or would leave if it lost 300,000 killed.

    Russia’s system and standpoint can’t be made to disappear by any prudent (indirect) support for Ukraine. Russia has the strategic space and propinquity to continue a war against Ukraine from Russia proper, so even if Ukraine pushed the Russian army out of all Ukrainian territory, how could Russia be made to accept its failure and end the war? A direct American intervention going to the last extremity might produce capitulation by Russia to Ukraine’s terms, but that is fantasy.

    I also think that the figure of 300,000 dead Russians is not realistic

    Russia underestimates their KIA by an order of magnitude and Ukraine does not give a figure but says it has a massively favourable ration of attrition (Zelensky has said that 3-5 Russians die for every Ukrainian).

    An unattributed briefing by US intel published in the NYT the other month puts Russia’s total casualties at 300,000 with 120,000 killed, and Ukraine 200,000 with 70,000 KIA. The losses at the begining of the war were surely the worst for Russia inasmuch they lost a substantial proportion of their best professional soldiers, who whose death has reduced the cadre available as a basis for expansion of the army. What Zelensky has publicly stated about multiple Russians being killed for every Ukrainian soldier is not true even before the Russian convict losses (20-30,000) are subtracted. On both sides the conflict is sustainable at the roughly the current level for years.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Sean


    Russia has the strategic space and propinquity to continue a war against Ukraine from Russia proper, so even if Ukraine pushed the Russian army out of all Ukrainian territory, how could Russia be made to accept its failure and end the war?
     
    If Russia decides that continuing the war is futile, if casualties keep piling up, if it runs out of convicts and provincials so that normal Russians who actually count start getting killed in significant numbers, and if it is offered some carrot it may stop.

    An unattributed briefing by US intel published in the NYT the other month puts Russia’s total casualties at 300,000 with 120,000 killed, and Ukraine 200,000 with 70,000 KIA
     
    This is realistic, the exact numbers are probably within 50% of these figures.

    The losses at the begining of the war were surely the worst for Russia inasmuch they lost a substantial proportion of their best professional soldiers, who whose death has reduced the cadre available as a basis for expansion of the army
     
    Probably true, however the number of Russians killed and the number of Russians killed relative to number of Ukrainians killed has probably been getting much worse (in part because so many of the best Russia soldiers were wasted early on).

    What Zelensky has publicly stated about multiple Russians being killed for every Ukrainian soldier is not true even before the Russian convict losses (20-30,000) are subtracted
     
    The meat wave tactics suggest that it’s true though he likely exaggerates the magnitude of it.

    On both sides the conflict is sustainable at the roughly the current level for years.
     
    Because Ukrainians are fighting for their homes and know what is at stake (people do hear about what Russian occupation is like) it is more sustainable for them than for the Russians. It can go on for another year or two, but at these rates I doubt Russia will continue past 2025. I think Russia will most likely hang in until the next US election and/or administration, though there is a small chance of earlier capitulation, assuming a reasonable off ramp.

    Replies: @A123, @Sean

  620. @AP
    @Mikhail


    Zelensky and yourself both exhibit man child like manner unlike yous truly.
     
    You never married and never had children.

    Have you had a career of any kind?

    Writing (incompetently) a lot of simple nonsense isn't a career.

    So you never did grown up things.

    You are a man child.

    As a man child, you actually think that something like the clothes Zelensky wears determines how much of an "adult" he is. Meanwhile, unlike you, Zelensky is an adult married man (married 20 years to the same woman) with a career and children.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Greasy William, @Mr. Hack

    To once again get to your very low level of discourse (which isn’t hard to do), yo momma is a man child as they say in the hood.

    You don’t know jack about me punk. I’d like to keep it that way. Plenty of married and non-married people who’re either good or not. Zelensky and yourself are in the latter category.

    A head of state dressing as GI Joe at formal gatherings is (put mildly) a bit off. It’s not like he has a hero like warrior past.

    Keep making a fool of yourself here. As previously noted –

    Your primitive off topic ad hominem banter after getting debunked on the intended subject matter is indicative of your severe shortcomings. To get to your very low level (which isn’t difficult), do you actually breed? A scary thought.

    It’s quite clear that on the intended subject matters for discussion, you haven’t been academically referenced, along with having no major mass media guest appearances on account of being a poor interlocutor and intellect.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikhail


    To once again get to your very low level of discourse (which isn’t hard to do), yo momma is a man child as they say in the hood.
     
    Yo momma is so hairy that she has a secret garden!

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikhail

    , @AP
    @Mikhail


    Your primitive off topic ad hominem
     
    It’s not off topic at all.

    You made a comment about Zelensky being a man child adult because of what he wore somewhere.

    This was very funny because you, yourself, have never accomplished normal adult things like having a family or having a real career.

    It would be like some morbidly obese 400 pounder calling Poroshenko fat.

    I just pointed our facts about you (a proudly public person) that made your comment funny.

    A childless, unmarried man in his sixties who never had a real career (getting letters to the editor published occasionally is not a career) calling a very accomplished man with a long 20 year marriage and children an “adult man child” is genuinely funny.

    Actually thinking that clothes choice proves his supposed point is even more funny.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  621. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    You need a real man's toy like a Smith & Wesson 357 Magnum. Don't they still let you have guns in Canada? You need to defend yourself from polar bears and wolves.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    I went with Ruger.
    The S&W was over a grand.

  622. @AP
    @Mikhail


    Zelensky and yourself both exhibit man child like manner unlike yous truly.
     
    You never married and never had children.

    Have you had a career of any kind?

    Writing (incompetently) a lot of simple nonsense isn't a career.

    So you never did grown up things.

    You are a man child.

    As a man child, you actually think that something like the clothes Zelensky wears determines how much of an "adult" he is. Meanwhile, unlike you, Zelensky is an adult married man (married 20 years to the same woman) with a career and children.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Greasy William, @Mr. Hack

    Zelensky showed genuine heroism in the early days of the war, but his behavior since then has been bizarre and off putting

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Greasy William

    Perhaps he knew that the Russians weren't going to enter Kiev, along with his not feeling in secure control of what he could and couldn't do. The way he drifted away from what he campaigned on to what he said upon becoming president isn't the action of a heroic person. Somewhat related -

    New plan; invade Russia, win war. Elensky, call Trump get money. Netanyahu wants Tony Blair. U/1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecJAk4wuJTE&t=295s

    , @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Greasy William


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-6MJ3FaYAEfxex.jpg

  623. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Though I do understand why countries that actually experienced the Holocaust would criminalize Holocaust denial, at least until the middle of the 21st century or so.
     
    For countries that experienced the Holocaust, the Holocaust narrative should be controlled by those countries' populations. Criminalization would be too drastic in this case.

    Germany is an exception here, and the victims of German Nazis should not be subjected to what Germany has been subjected to (and in their case it is self-imposed).

    There are a lot of questions about the Holocaust that need answers, and controlling this debate with any kind of legal means may be going too far. The truth is not something that can be controlled with laws.

    However, there may need to be some new approach about what to do with growing anti-Semitism (because some of it is looking pretty insane). But this should be between the Jews and the individual countries, without any kind of meddling from the US, Russia or Germany.

    And frankly, judging from what we saw in London this week, countries formerly occupied by Nazis might be the least of your problem (when it comes to Holocaust denial).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Yeah, I do agree that proper research on the Holocaust should be done, and any attempts to challenge the historical narrative, even in a good faith way, can be characterized at least as Holocaust minimization, which I view as problematic. I do think that there should be opportunities to challenge the historical narrative on the Holocaust, even if one’s research is wrong, without being prosecuted for this.

  624. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Beckow

    Are you senile? German_reader was referring to the Chinese. The alleged brutality of the Japanese was against the Chinese; if the Japanese are in fact boastful and unapologetic about it, would the Chinese not have nuked Japan many times already?

    Maybe a Japanese scholar will write a book:

    Slovakia's Holocaust -- History of Mass Murder and Rape of Ethnic Germans (1944–1950)

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-2003-0703-500%2C_R%C3%BCckf%C3%BChrung_deutscher_Kinder_aus_Polen.jpg

    August 1948, German children deported from the eastern areas taken over by Communist Slovakia, whose parents have murdered by revanchist Slovak death squads

    Many Japanese readers will come away with the conclusion that Slovaks are worse savages than negros.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Beckow

    There is a difference in this topic between cultures in the First World, Second World and Third World. Although it can be Beckow’s argument is true, can be sometimes more related to social norms of the allowed speech, than actual emotions where the difference between cultures could be smaller than the appearance of difference measured in the speech.

    In the First World, the social norm for the speaking is the view “if we killed civilians, this is a crime we should try to avoid or hide”. While in parts of the Third World, especially in Islamic countries, norms of speech allow saying “killing civilians, raping their women, beheading them”, “we are proud of this”.

    Japan is part of the First World category. So, you can expect how they would discuss this. We can see in their external policy they often behave even more Christian than most of the Western countries. They had been sending billions of dollars of aid to China, although China has been investing billions of dollars to create anti-Japan propaganda.

    In the last 60 years, Japan has been apologizing for colonial past, similar to the British apologizing in relation to the British empire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan

    Russia and Ukraine are Second World, with imported European norms. When talking about enemy civilians, the speech is halfway between the attitude of the First World and Third World, depending on the people you are talking with.

    Because of the involuntary Iron Curtain Czechoslovakia was categorized as Second World. But of course, Czechoslovakia is a central European country. Their norms of speech about civilian casualties won’t be different much than the Western European countries.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Dmitry


    In the First World, the social norm for the speaking is the view “if we killed civilians, this is a crime we should try to avoid or hide”.
     
    I guess this is generally true but there's quite a lot to comment on here.

    First, the deeds. In spite of these very real scruples, the truth of the matter is that First World countries have historically caused the largest amount of civilian casualties in their wars, even after becoming "First World". To some extent, this is a product of their technical superiority but still there is a glaring paradox there.

    The second thing to consider, that I think explains much of what's going on in the world right now, is that the scruples against killing civilians are not equally distributed around the First World. The US, in particular, continues to be a rather violent society. As usual in America, things are complicated. They gave the world the pacifist movement of the 60s-70s, for example. But the act of killing scores of civilians in their military operations abroad is pretty much normalized. I think it's more or less socially accepted that that's what the US sometimes "has to do", to bring order to the world. And it's actually deeper than that, I think. Americans largely accept that their own children must periodically die in horrific, senseless, school shootings because the alternative would be giving up the second amendment, which is unthinkable. I personally like my weapons and having the right to posses them but I wasn't born in the US and even though, statistically, the chances of my child dying in a school shooting are very small, I'd gladly give them up in exchange for having the security that something so horrible would never happen to us.

    There are of course clear historical reasons for all of this. The US is a frontier country, where I can understand why the right to bear arms was considered necessary, and also it had to fight for its independence, a feat that is still very celebrated. I suppose people in Canada or Australia, where independence was achieved peacefully and the conquest of the territory was much less brutal, are less prone to violence in general.

    Then there's the Germans. These days they have clearly become indistinguishable from their Western European neighbors but they were already a First World country when they embarked in the WW2 adventure, not exactly an example of "trying to avoid or hide" the killing of civilians. To some extent, they did try to hide some of their worst atrocities but their will to expel/enslave/annihilate members of "inferior races" was very much in the open.

    And then we have Eastern Europe, which is still a bit of a black box to me. I'm not really sure how people in EE regard certain things but it's actually quite ironic that one of the few places where you can quite openly discuss things like the killing of civilians in Donbas in 2014-2015 is this blog, full of people with EE roots. As is logical, I have talked about the war in Ukraine with a number of people in real life over the past 2 years and one thing I have found is that you have to be very careful to mention the killing of civilians in Donbas by their own government. People can react negatively and stare at you wondering if you are a conspiracy theorist who has been reading too much Russian propaganda. They just don't know that such a thing happened at all. I don't know exactly how it happened but the fact is that Western media were initially kind of open about what was going on in Donbas in 2014 but then they switched the narrative to all atrocities being caused by the Russians and that's the message that stuck with people who get all their information form the MSM and were not particularly interested anyway (about ~90% of the population in the West). A clear example of "if we have to do it let's try to hide it from the populace".

    By contrast, in a blog like this I find that I don't need to beat around the bush and I can openly talk about those events because almost everybody knows that the Ukrainian government did resort to shelling its own civilian areas. However, here the problem is different. Some people with EE roots, perhaps more those hailing from the ex-USSR, seem to find it inconceivable that someone may be genuinely opposed to the killing of Ukrainians by their own government unless he is somehow a Putin admirer. And the message I keep getting when the issue comes up is that those killings were not so extraordinary anyway. Poroshenko had to do it.

    My tentative interpretation of all this is that people in the West are generally less willing to accept atrocities and civilian casualties and when they have to happen for some "greater good", TPTB try to hide them, while they highlight and even exaggerate them when they want people to strongly oppose a certain enemy. But Americans and EEs don't probably need as much media manipulation as the rest of the First World in this particular respect.

    Let's take Israel, for example. They have definitely killed more civilians than Poroshenko (though very likely less than Putin in the SMO) but we're talking about the same order of magnitude. Even a country with Israel's influence cannot get away with it easily because these attacks are impossible to hide so many people in the West start opposing Israel quite strongly, especially outside of the US. And you don't see much opposition to Israel in EE either. I think something similar would have happened in Donbas in 2014-2015 if the media coverage would have been similar to Gaza. Alas, it wasn't.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Dmitry

    I would make this classification:

    1. Reflect and expiate at a proper level for past sins; but not excessively so that you are exposed to moral blackmail

    2. Reflect and expiate excessively for past sins; so that you not only you are exposed to moral blackmail, your existence may be threatened either by hostile foreigners or internal extremists

    3. Reflect and expiate very little for past sins. Just be based.

    Type 1-- I think applies to Japan, and maybe Russia

    Type 2-- I think you know who that applies to. The Japanese call this 自虐史観じぎゃくしかん Jigyaku shikan “masochistic view of history”, the historical view that emphasizes the negative aspects of one's history,

    https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/自虐史観

    Type 3-- Applies to China, who only whines about what other have done to it "Century of Humiliation", never what it has done to others.

    But most the atrocies that Chinese have committed are towards each other, or peoples that have been assimilated, so it's less or an issue.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Dmitry

  625. @Mikhail
    @AP

    To once again get to your very low level of discourse (which isn't hard to do), yo momma is a man child as they say in the hood.

    You don't know jack about me punk. I'd like to keep it that way. Plenty of married and non-married people who're either good or not. Zelensky and yourself are in the latter category.

    A head of state dressing as GI Joe at formal gatherings is (put mildly) a bit off. It's not like he has a hero like warrior past.

    Keep making a fool of yourself here. As previously noted -

    Your primitive off topic ad hominem banter after getting debunked on the intended subject matter is indicative of your severe shortcomings. To get to your very low level (which isn’t difficult), do you actually breed? A scary thought.

    It’s quite clear that on the intended subject matters for discussion, you haven’t been academically referenced, along with having no major mass media guest appearances on account of being a poor interlocutor and intellect.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    To once again get to your very low level of discourse (which isn’t hard to do), yo momma is a man child as they say in the hood.

    Yo momma is so hairy that she has a secret garden!

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiLosOQP400

    , @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ

    https://www.laughfactory.com/jokes/yo-momma-jokes

  626. @AP
    @Dmitry


    It’s a small video in the center of the capital city so not a representative sample
     
    It's the first ones I found when looking for Kyiv 2023. It's better to look at downtowns because then you see people.

    this second video looks like it could indicate a lot of gender disbalance, with floods of young women around ages of 18-25. There cannot be seen so many military age men.
     
    Really? Where?

    Plenty of males in the beginning, 1:13 a few of them around their motorcycles, some at 3:51.

    I haven't counted, I wouldn't doubt that there is an imbalance but it does not seem to be a great one.

    Lviv 2023:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ItPQj8zz3k

    guys waiting to get into a pub at :22, plenty of men going about their business at 1:12, look at all the males at the cafe at 1:50.

    Dnipropetrovsk 2023:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KIoaKzKNHE

    Definitely more women than men in this city. But men are far from absent.

    Note that in addition to men being present in numbers, they aren't hiding out of fear of being mobilized, either (s0me gullible idiots believe that in an to a million casualties the few remaining men in Ukraine fear getting kidnapped and forced into the army).

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Lviv 2023:

    There’s also definitely significantly more women in the street than men. Although the age of the people is maybe more 25-45.

    It’s funny street music they play at 8:15 is “Hevenu Shalom Alechem”, Hasidic music in the plaza where there is a UPA flag.

    men being present in numbers, they aren’t hiding out of fear of being mobilized, either (s0me gullible idiots believe that in an to a million casualties

    It wouldn’t indicated something about number of the people killed, but number of men who are mobilized relative to women, also the number of people who have evacuated as refugees to Europe.

    In a country with 40 million people, even if there were 50,000 casualties, it wouldn’t be something you could see on the streets. But if they mobilize one or two million young men this could be perhaps something you could see.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    There’s also definitely significantly more women in the street than men.
     
    Afaik, Lviv had more women than men even before the invasion. It's the kind of a place that will attract more women (lots of boutiques and cozier than other cities).
    , @AP
    @Dmitry


    There’s also definitely significantly more women in the street than men
     
    More, but doesn’t seem like a large discrepancy.

    It’s funny street music they play at 8:15 is “Hevenu Shalom Alechem”, Hasidic music in the plaza where there is a UPA flag
     
    There are Jewish soldiers with UPA flags on their uniforms, why not? Modern Ukrainian ideas of UPA don’t correspond to the historical reality. But then neither to Soviet claims about them.

    Last time I was in Lviv, in 2017, people were playing interpretations of 80s Russian rock on acoustic instruments on the main market square on a warm summer night.

    In a country with 40 million people, even if there were 50,000 casualties, it wouldn’t be something you could see on the streets
     
    Of course. My point is that Russian propagandists are claiming 300,000 or more Ukrainian dead which would mean another 700,000 (at least) injured. Add several 100,000s in the military and one would expect to see very few men in the streets at all. Given the mass number of injured that would accompany 300,000 dead, one would also expect to see a large number of crippled people. Russians also claim that the Ukrainian army is so desperate for more troops and running out of them that it is commonplace for military recruiters m to hunt down any man they can find and send him to the front.

    Instead, there are indeed fewer men than women but it looks fairly normal. Plenty of men around. Nobody is running from the police.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  627. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikhail


    To once again get to your very low level of discourse (which isn’t hard to do), yo momma is a man child as they say in the hood.
     
    Yo momma is so hairy that she has a secret garden!

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikhail

  628. @Dmitry
    @AP


    Lviv 2023:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ItPQj8zz3k

     

    There's also definitely significantly more women in the street than men. Although the age of the people is maybe more 25-45.

    It's funny street music they play at 8:15 is "Hevenu Shalom Alechem", Hasidic music in the plaza where there is a UPA flag.


    men being present in numbers, they aren’t hiding out of fear of being mobilized, either (s0me gullible idiots believe that in an to a million casualties
     
    It wouldn't indicated something about number of the people killed, but number of men who are mobilized relative to women, also the number of people who have evacuated as refugees to Europe.

    In a country with 40 million people, even if there were 50,000 casualties, it wouldn't be something you could see on the streets. But if they mobilize one or two million young men this could be perhaps something you could see.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

    There’s also definitely significantly more women in the street than men.

    Afaik, Lviv had more women than men even before the invasion. It’s the kind of a place that will attract more women (lots of boutiques and cozier than other cities).

  629. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Beckow

    Are you senile? German_reader was referring to the Chinese. The alleged brutality of the Japanese was against the Chinese; if the Japanese are in fact boastful and unapologetic about it, would the Chinese not have nuked Japan many times already?

    Maybe a Japanese scholar will write a book:

    Slovakia's Holocaust -- History of Mass Murder and Rape of Ethnic Germans (1944–1950)

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-2003-0703-500%2C_R%C3%BCckf%C3%BChrung_deutscher_Kinder_aus_Polen.jpg

    August 1948, German children deported from the eastern areas taken over by Communist Slovakia, whose parents have murdered by revanchist Slovak death squads

    Many Japanese readers will come away with the conclusion that Slovaks are worse savages than negros.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Beckow

    The alleged brutality of the Japanese was against the Chinese; if the Japanese are in fact boastful and unapologetic about it would the Chinese not have nuked Japan many times already?

    Alleged“? We have another budding fascist-Nazi – this time in love with the Japanese version.

    Re. Chinese revenge: US protected Japan after WW2 so it is a moot point. China, Korea would had acted more brutally. And the Japanese are in general not apologetic – they accept the loss and live with the result.

    Your silly picture could be anywhere in post-WW2 Europe – poverty, people were moved massively including kids. What are you trying to say? That WW2 caused horrible suffering? There are also pictures like that from US during the 1930’s. You are either a moron or try to manipulate.

    Regarding the expulsion: Germany in WW2 murdered tens of millions of civilians in eastern Europe. It was not realistic after WW2 to expect that the survivors would not take it out on the local Germans. They did, and it also happened in France, even in Norway. What are you saying? Are you just a Nazi moron?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    Regarding the expulsion: Germany in WW2 murdered tens of millions of civilians in eastern Europe.
     
    In Czechoslovakia? Tens of millions? No, that was mostly in Ukraine, Belarus and Poland.

    It was not realistic after WW2 to expect that the survivors would not take it out on the local Germans.

     

    So did you murder them, too, and not just expel them? And you expropriated everything they had owned, right?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Emil Nikola Richard

  630. @Beckow
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    The alleged brutality of the Japanese was against the Chinese; if the Japanese are in fact boastful and unapologetic about it would the Chinese not have nuked Japan many times already?
     
    "Alleged"? We have another budding fascist-Nazi - this time in love with the Japanese version.

    Re. Chinese revenge: US protected Japan after WW2 so it is a moot point. China, Korea would had acted more brutally. And the Japanese are in general not apologetic - they accept the loss and live with the result.

    Your silly picture could be anywhere in post-WW2 Europe - poverty, people were moved massively including kids. What are you trying to say? That WW2 caused horrible suffering? There are also pictures like that from US during the 1930's. You are either a moron or try to manipulate.

    Regarding the expulsion: Germany in WW2 murdered tens of millions of civilians in eastern Europe. It was not realistic after WW2 to expect that the survivors would not take it out on the local Germans. They did, and it also happened in France, even in Norway. What are you saying? Are you just a Nazi moron?

    Replies: @LatW

    Regarding the expulsion: Germany in WW2 murdered tens of millions of civilians in eastern Europe.

    In Czechoslovakia? Tens of millions? No, that was mostly in Ukraine, Belarus and Poland.

    It was not realistic after WW2 to expect that the survivors would not take it out on the local Germans.

    So did you murder them, too, and not just expel them? And you expropriated everything they had owned, right?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW

    Czecho-Slovakia in WW2 had around 300k victims and dozens of villages wiped out and their population killed. So keep you snarky attitude quiet.


    ...did you murder them, too, and not just expel them?
     
    During the expulsion and as retribution in 1945-47 the estimate is 15-30k Germans died. Horrible, right - but after what happened there was no way to avoid it. It had little to do with commies or Red Army and was done by the locals. Russians left in 1946 and didn't come back until 1968 - in 1946-68 Czechoslovakia was not occupied. German properties were expropriated based on a law against collaboration with Nazism. I think similar laws existed in many other countries after WW2.

    Commies took over in 1948 after winning the 1946 election and pushing their socialist allies out. Why did they win? After WW2 and the 1930's depression it wasn't that surprising - but a lot of people today prefer selective memories.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @LatW

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    OK this one is even funnier than the other one.

    We really need an accounting of who did how much excess butchery 80 years ago. It will finish the most important phase of internet fight ONCE AND FOR ALL.

    China Japan had the best photo. Brought a tear to my eye. Even if it was an AI deep fake.

    Replies: @LatW, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

  631. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @German_reader

    Japan was part of the Allies in WWI so why would it be anti-Western? Japan's main war aim was anti-Soviet communism.

    Japan took major casualties fighting the Bolsheviks in Russian Civil War

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Siberia-_Civil_War_and_Western_Intervention_1918-1920_Q61674.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Khabarovsk_intervention.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/The_Illustration_of_The_Siberian_War%2C_No._16._The_Japanese_Army_Occupied_Vragaeschensk.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_intervention_in_Siberia

    The Anglo historians took care to not translate this important part. On the top right it says 救露討獨遠征軍画報 "Pictorial report of the Save Russia and Fight Germany Expeditionary Army"

    Because one of Japan's main mission was rescue the Czechoslovak Legion, whose opponent was the German Empire.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Beckow

    One cannot understand Japan’s relations with Soviet communism and the Soviet Union without considering Russian-Japanese relations in the long term.

    The Japanese reacted with relative indifference to the execution of Nicholas II and his family in summer 1918. The Japanese government and media dismissed the murder as simply another consequence of the ongoing revolution which they viewed favorably, Russia was to be mortally weakened, predicting the imminent arrival of German troops at Japan’s door via its new Russian colony. This changed only when radical winds began to drift into Korea and China and therefore became a direct threat to Japan’s aggressive and expansionist ambitions in Asia.

    As White Russia was disintegrating in 1917, the Japanese Army and Ministry of Foreign Affairs insisted on taking advantage of the chaos to expand Japan’s colonial control both formal and informal into Siberia and the Russian Far East.

    Imperial Japan only opportunistically embraced Anti-Bolshevism. She then provided the largest force among the foreign armies that invaded Russia after the 1917 October Revolution. Japan’s role in the foreign intervention against the Russian during the Revolution was opportunistic empire-building for land and resources not sincere Anti-Bolshevism.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Good points.


    without considering Russian-Japanese relations in the long term.
     
    Let's go back further. Li Hongzhang secretly signed off territorial privileges in Manchuria to Russia in 1896

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0_%D0%BE_%D0%9A%D0%92%D0%96%D0%94_1896_%D0%B3..jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li–Lobanov_Treaty

    Then Russia annexed Manchuria and refused to vacate after the Eight Nations campaign. Nicholas refused Japan's proposal for Korea-Manchuria exchange.

    When Russo-Japanese War broke out, Qing was officially neutral, but definitely wanted Japan to remove Russia from Manchuria.

    The Japanese did not know about Li–Lobanov Treaty. Yuan Shikai annuled it and secretly supported Japan against Russia.

    Are we in agreement?

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

  632. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @German_reader

    Japan was part of the Allies in WWI so why would it be anti-Western? Japan's main war aim was anti-Soviet communism.

    Japan took major casualties fighting the Bolsheviks in Russian Civil War

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Siberia-_Civil_War_and_Western_Intervention_1918-1920_Q61674.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Khabarovsk_intervention.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/The_Illustration_of_The_Siberian_War%2C_No._16._The_Japanese_Army_Occupied_Vragaeschensk.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_intervention_in_Siberia

    The Anglo historians took care to not translate this important part. On the top right it says 救露討獨遠征軍画報 "Pictorial report of the Save Russia and Fight Germany Expeditionary Army"

    Because one of Japan's main mission was rescue the Czechoslovak Legion, whose opponent was the German Empire.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Beckow

    Japan was not in the least concerned with Bolshevism in Russia as long as it aided their goals, what did concern them was the growing popularity of communism in colonial Korea and China, which jeopardized Japan’s empire.

    Recent Korean immigrants with knowledge of the Japanese language served as translators, agents, and informants, providing invaluable help to the Bolsheviks. Korean anti-Japanese resistance fighters volunteered in the thousands, with the internationalist divisions of the Red Army. The Japanese imperial government was extremely concerned with these developments and with reports of increasing military skirmishes on the borders of their brutal empire.

    At the beginning there was cheerful confidence in Tokyo that the Bolsheviks regime would not survive the Japanese intervention and that Japanese plans for the region would inevitably be realized.

    The most curious fact is that the declaration of intervention never identified the Bolshevik regime as the enemy. It was presumed that the Japanese troops were in Russia to “save” it, yet no one in the government publicly identified from whom or from what Russia must be saved. The declaration promised withdrawal once order was restored and renounced any desire to infringe on Russian territorial sovereignty and Russian internal affairs.

    Though it soon became obvious it war against Russia and its people, as the violence became indiscriminate, the Japanese government tirelessly and cynically pronounced its friendship with the Russian people and insisted it was acting in their interest.

    In reality, however, the Japanese government was busy exploring new economic opportunities. A new special commission for Siberian economic aid was created “to establish a basis for Japanese economic activities in opposition to the acquisition of concessions by the United States and other countries.” The Russo-Japanese Trading Company, the Far East Business Development Corporation, and the Russo-Japanese Bank were organized for the purpose of entering the mining, oil production, forestry, fisheries, and related transport industries.

  633. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Regarding the expulsion: Germany in WW2 murdered tens of millions of civilians in eastern Europe.
     
    In Czechoslovakia? Tens of millions? No, that was mostly in Ukraine, Belarus and Poland.

    It was not realistic after WW2 to expect that the survivors would not take it out on the local Germans.

     

    So did you murder them, too, and not just expel them? And you expropriated everything they had owned, right?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Czecho-Slovakia in WW2 had around 300k victims and dozens of villages wiped out and their population killed. So keep you snarky attitude quiet.

    …did you murder them, too, and not just expel them?

    During the expulsion and as retribution in 1945-47 the estimate is 15-30k Germans died. Horrible, right – but after what happened there was no way to avoid it. It had little to do with commies or Red Army and was done by the locals. Russians left in 1946 and didn’t come back until 1968 – in 1946-68 Czechoslovakia was not occupied. German properties were expropriated based on a law against collaboration with Nazism. I think similar laws existed in many other countries after WW2.

    Commies took over in 1948 after winning the 1946 election and pushing their socialist allies out. Why did they win? After WW2 and the 1930’s depression it wasn’t that surprising – but a lot of people today prefer selective memories.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Beckow


    Czecho-Slovakia in WW2 had around 300k victims and dozens of villages wiped out and their population killed. So keep you snarky attitude quiet.

    …did you murder them, too, and not just expel them?

     

    During the expulsion and as retribution in 1945-47 the estimate is 15-30k Germans died. Horrible, right – but after what happened there was no way to avoid it. It had little to do with commies or Red Army and was done by the locals. Russians left in 1946 and didn’t come back until 1968 – in 1946-68 Czechoslovakia was not occupied. German properties were expropriated based on a law against collaboration with Nazism. I think similar laws existed in many other countries after WW2.

    Commies took over in 1948 after winning the 1946 election and pushing their socialist allies out. Why did they win? After WW2 and the 1930’s depression it wasn’t that surprising – but a lot of people today prefer selective memories.

     

    Selective memories for sure, with some of them being more equal than others.

    https://strategic-culture.su/news/2019/12/14/czech-russian-relations-and-the-roa-conflicting-historical-narratives/
    , @LatW
    @Beckow


    Czecho-Slovakia in WW2 had around 300k victims and dozens of villages wiped out and their population killed. So keep you snarky attitude quiet.
     
    The problem is that you decided to speak for the whole Eastern Europe and cited tens of millions. The countries that were hurt by the Germans the most are Poland, Belarus and Ukraine. Slovakia had a Nazi friendly government. And Goebbels had a Czech girlfriend.

    I wasn't aware that many peaceful Germans were in fact murdered, I knew they were murdered in Prussia (some of those were Germanized Balts). I thought in Slovakia they were just expelled. I remember once watching some YouTube video where Czechs or Slovaks bulldozed a bunch of Germans who were still alive. And of course the famous German girl on the Czech border video.

    You like going around shaming others and calling them Nazis (then and now), but you are yourself far from without guilt.

    Replies: @Beckow

  634. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @German_reader

    Japan was part of the Allies in WWI so why would it be anti-Western? Japan's main war aim was anti-Soviet communism.

    Japan took major casualties fighting the Bolsheviks in Russian Civil War

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Siberia-_Civil_War_and_Western_Intervention_1918-1920_Q61674.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Khabarovsk_intervention.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/The_Illustration_of_The_Siberian_War%2C_No._16._The_Japanese_Army_Occupied_Vragaeschensk.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_intervention_in_Siberia

    The Anglo historians took care to not translate this important part. On the top right it says 救露討獨遠征軍画報 "Pictorial report of the Save Russia and Fight Germany Expeditionary Army"

    Because one of Japan's main mission was rescue the Czechoslovak Legion, whose opponent was the German Empire.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Beckow

    …Japan’s main war aim was anti-Soviet communism.

    Sure, that’s why they attacked Philippines, Indonesia, China – all communist, right? And Singapore, another commie hotbed.

    Are you really this stupid or do you believe the nonsense you write.

    Japan’s main mission was rescue the Czechoslovak Legion, whose opponent was the German Empire.

    Japan couldn’t find Czechoslovakia on the map if you killed them. And by 1918 the Legion couldn’t find the German Empire since it ceased to exist.

    Are you really this stupid or do you believe the nonsense you write?

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Beckow

    Japan can certainly find Poland on the map and supported them against the interest of their Germany ally:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Takamatsu_in_Warsaw_with_J%C3%B3zef_and_Aleksandra_Pi%C5%82sudska_%281930-10-08%29.jpg
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan–Poland_relations

    Japan can certainly find Ethiopia on the map and supported them against the interest of their Italian ally:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Heruyjapan2.jpg
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopia–Japan_relations

    Japan proposed the Racial Equality Proposal amendment to the Treaty of Versailles in 1919 (that would have applied to yellows as well as browns and blacks).


    Japan (2) Yes
    France (2) Yes
    Italy (2) Yes
    Brazil (1) Yes
    China (1) Yes
    Greece (1) Yes
    Serbia (1) Yes
    Czechoslovakia (1) Yes

    Total: 11 Yes

    British Empire (2) – Not Registered
    United States (2) – Not Registered
    Portugal (1) – Not Registered
    Romania (1) – Not Registered
    Belgium (2) – Absent[19]
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_Equality_Proposal#Vote

    Czechoslovakia voted for it as well as most of the white countries. The Anglos vetoed it but ceded Qingdao, former Germany colony in China to Japan, thereby driving a permanent wedge between China and Japan. And later claimed that Japan invaded China for no reason despite Britain having supported Japan in taking Qingdao.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/British%2C_Indian_and_Japanese_soldiers_in_Tsingtao_%28Qingdao%29%2C_China%2C_1914.jpg
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Tsingtao

    You know how that works.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Beckow


    The American-registered Heffron, which departed from Vladivostok on August 15, 1919 (Taisho 8) as the third ship to return, ran aground off the coast of Shimonoseki while trying to avoid the typhoon. Although she escaped sinking, the ship was towed to the Kawasaki Shipyard Dog in Kobe for repairs, and the corps officers and men on board were transferred to Kobe by train in September of the same year, and the ship's repairs were completed at the end of October of the same year. I stayed in Kobe until then. During those two months, the corps officers and soldiers have been engaged in cultural and sports exchanges with the citizens of Kobe.
     
    https://www.valka.cz/attachments/12593/gkfoto104_1_.jpg

    http://www.a-saida.jp/images/cheko.htm

    Czechoslovak Legion cemetery in Fuchu City, Tokyo

    https://czechrepublic.jp/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/12a34e40256fbb8afe89bdc68bbb6575.jpg

    https://czechrepublic.jp/study-in-czech/czechoslovakia-legia-in-japan/


    ”Těm, kteří nedostali do osvobozené vlasti”

    "To those who did not get to the liberated homeland"

     

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71Mq9L5jcPL._SL1500_.jpg

    'Rescue of the Czechoslovak Legion' held up as the cause of Japan's 'Siberian campaign'.
    Japan provided arms support and rescued wounded soldiers.
    What is our relationship with 'Czechoslovakia'?
    The unknown history of exchange between the two countries.

    Introduction Two years when the two countries were closest
    Chapter 1: T. G. Masaryk's visit to Japan (April 1918)
    Chapter 2 Encounter at Olovyannaya Station - The 'honeymoon' between the Czechoslovak Legion and the Japanese Army and afterwards.
    Chapter 3 Medical exchanges - wounded soldiers of the corps in Tokyo and Japanese nurses in Vladivostok
    Chapter 4 One of Japan's first Czech language learners - Aitaro Yamanoi
    Chapter 5 The culmination of the "beautiful story of exchange" - the Heffron incident
    Chapter 6 The Hyrule Incident (Part 1) - Is it 'in the bush'?
    Chapter 7 The Hyrule Incident (Part 2) - The armoured train Orlik and the Tripartite Clarification Committee
    End Chapter On the Legion soldiers buried in the Catholic Fuchu Cemetery
     

  635. Iran offers Armenia to replace Russian gas

    Having set a course for a “break” with Russia after the defeat in the war for Nagorno-Karabakh, Armenia has received an energy ally that can help Yerevan end its gas dependence on the Kremlin.

    Iran is ready to sharply increase gas supplies to Armenia, Mehdi Sobhani, the Islamic Republic’s ambassador to Yerevan, said in an interview with Civilnet. According to him, we can talk about increasing exports by 3-4 times within the framework of the “Gas in exchange for electricity” program, which has been in effect since the late 2000s, and in August was extended until 2030.

    Under this agreement, Armenia annually imports 300–500 million cubic meters of Iranian gas, in exchange for which the Yerevan Thermal Power Plant supplies Iran with electricity at a “rate” of 3 kWh per 1 cubic meter. At the same time, about 2.5 billion cubic meters are purchased from Russia, which allows Gazprom to occupy approximately 85% of the Armenian market. In Tehran, as follows from the words of the ambassador, they are ready to increase supplies to 1.5–2 billion cubic meters per year, which will cover three quarters of Armenia’s needs.

    https://t.me/moscowtimes_ru/16980

  636. @AP
    @Mikhail


    Zelensky and yourself both exhibit man child like manner unlike yous truly.
     
    You never married and never had children.

    Have you had a career of any kind?

    Writing (incompetently) a lot of simple nonsense isn't a career.

    So you never did grown up things.

    You are a man child.

    As a man child, you actually think that something like the clothes Zelensky wears determines how much of an "adult" he is. Meanwhile, unlike you, Zelensky is an adult married man (married 20 years to the same woman) with a career and children.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Greasy William, @Mr. Hack

    Not all that goes under the rubric of “manchild” is inferior. Some real nice funky grooves here:


    🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    An interesting collage of scenes assembled from various cop shows/movies from the 70's, to the underlying music of Herbie Hancock's "hang up your hangups":

    https://youtu.be/Lqtki6I-VTY

    When i look back when i was making this video (inspired by the seventies cop show The Streets Of San Francisco opening intro which had a huge impact musically on me when i was little


    • Video and Jimi Hendrix's Crosstown Traffic brilliant video

    • Video ).. it was a bit of a job actually cos the equipment i had was very simple, only had a computer a videorecorder and a lot of determination so i had to record all those 70's films footage i used for making this video containing New York scenes (Taxi Driver, French Connection, Midnight Cowboy, Kojak and there is one shot from Sicilly Clan and one from Forrest Gump) when they were showing them on telly, so it took a while.. and then transfer them to a digital form, which wasn't easy really, that program i used was crashing all the time so it took a LOT of patience and then obviously process it, edit and sync it with the music.. It took few weeks to finish it. Therefore im very happy that people are enjoying this video.. Please check my other work on / conqa

     

  637. @Greasy William
    @AP

    Zelensky showed genuine heroism in the early days of the war, but his behavior since then has been bizarre and off putting

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Perhaps he knew that the Russians weren’t going to enter Kiev, along with his not feeling in secure control of what he could and couldn’t do. The way he drifted away from what he campaigned on to what he said upon becoming president isn’t the action of a heroic person. Somewhat related –

    New plan; invade Russia, win war. Elensky, call Trump get money. Netanyahu wants Tony Blair. U/1

  638. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikhail


    To once again get to your very low level of discourse (which isn’t hard to do), yo momma is a man child as they say in the hood.
     
    Yo momma is so hairy that she has a secret garden!

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikhail

  639. @Beckow
    @LatW

    Czecho-Slovakia in WW2 had around 300k victims and dozens of villages wiped out and their population killed. So keep you snarky attitude quiet.


    ...did you murder them, too, and not just expel them?
     
    During the expulsion and as retribution in 1945-47 the estimate is 15-30k Germans died. Horrible, right - but after what happened there was no way to avoid it. It had little to do with commies or Red Army and was done by the locals. Russians left in 1946 and didn't come back until 1968 - in 1946-68 Czechoslovakia was not occupied. German properties were expropriated based on a law against collaboration with Nazism. I think similar laws existed in many other countries after WW2.

    Commies took over in 1948 after winning the 1946 election and pushing their socialist allies out. Why did they win? After WW2 and the 1930's depression it wasn't that surprising - but a lot of people today prefer selective memories.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @LatW

    Czecho-Slovakia in WW2 had around 300k victims and dozens of villages wiped out and their population killed. So keep you snarky attitude quiet.

    …did you murder them, too, and not just expel them?

    During the expulsion and as retribution in 1945-47 the estimate is 15-30k Germans died. Horrible, right – but after what happened there was no way to avoid it. It had little to do with commies or Red Army and was done by the locals. Russians left in 1946 and didn’t come back until 1968 – in 1946-68 Czechoslovakia was not occupied. German properties were expropriated based on a law against collaboration with Nazism. I think similar laws existed in many other countries after WW2.

    Commies took over in 1948 after winning the 1946 election and pushing their socialist allies out. Why did they win? After WW2 and the 1930’s depression it wasn’t that surprising – but a lot of people today prefer selective memories.

    Selective memories for sure, with some of them being more equal than others.

    https://strategic-culture.su/news/2019/12/14/czech-russian-relations-and-the-roa-conflicting-historical-narratives/

  640. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Not all that goes under the rubric of "manchild" is inferior. Some real nice funky grooves here:

    https://open.spotify.com/album/5ez9bb1h1hOLV8Wb5YCmkj?si=TIKZ-DGjRyKgGGU4tIysvg
    :-)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    An interesting collage of scenes assembled from various cop shows/movies from the 70’s, to the underlying music of Herbie Hancock’s “hang up your hangups”:

    When i look back when i was making this video (inspired by the seventies cop show The Streets Of San Francisco opening intro which had a huge impact musically on me when i was little

    • Video and Jimi Hendrix’s Crosstown Traffic brilliant video

    • Video ).. it was a bit of a job actually cos the equipment i had was very simple, only had a computer a videorecorder and a lot of determination so i had to record all those 70’s films footage i used for making this video containing New York scenes (Taxi Driver, French Connection, Midnight Cowboy, Kojak and there is one shot from Sicilly Clan and one from Forrest Gump) when they were showing them on telly, so it took a while.. and then transfer them to a digital form, which wasn’t easy really, that program i used was crashing all the time so it took a LOT of patience and then obviously process it, edit and sync it with the music.. It took few weeks to finish it. Therefore im very happy that people are enjoying this video.. Please check my other work on / conqa

  641. @Mikhail
    @AP

    To once again get to your very low level of discourse (which isn't hard to do), yo momma is a man child as they say in the hood.

    You don't know jack about me punk. I'd like to keep it that way. Plenty of married and non-married people who're either good or not. Zelensky and yourself are in the latter category.

    A head of state dressing as GI Joe at formal gatherings is (put mildly) a bit off. It's not like he has a hero like warrior past.

    Keep making a fool of yourself here. As previously noted -

    Your primitive off topic ad hominem banter after getting debunked on the intended subject matter is indicative of your severe shortcomings. To get to your very low level (which isn’t difficult), do you actually breed? A scary thought.

    It’s quite clear that on the intended subject matters for discussion, you haven’t been academically referenced, along with having no major mass media guest appearances on account of being a poor interlocutor and intellect.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    Your primitive off topic ad hominem

    It’s not off topic at all.

    You made a comment about Zelensky being a man child adult because of what he wore somewhere.

    This was very funny because you, yourself, have never accomplished normal adult things like having a family or having a real career.

    It would be like some morbidly obese 400 pounder calling Poroshenko fat.

    I just pointed our facts about you (a proudly public person) that made your comment funny.

    A childless, unmarried man in his sixties who never had a real career (getting letters to the editor published occasionally is not a career) calling a very accomplished man with a long 20 year marriage and children an “adult man child” is genuinely funny.

    Actually thinking that clothes choice proves his supposed point is even more funny.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP

    Keep proving me right loser, as your comments at these threads are the exact opposite of a successful person.

  642. @Dmitry
    @AP


    Lviv 2023:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ItPQj8zz3k

     

    There's also definitely significantly more women in the street than men. Although the age of the people is maybe more 25-45.

    It's funny street music they play at 8:15 is "Hevenu Shalom Alechem", Hasidic music in the plaza where there is a UPA flag.


    men being present in numbers, they aren’t hiding out of fear of being mobilized, either (s0me gullible idiots believe that in an to a million casualties
     
    It wouldn't indicated something about number of the people killed, but number of men who are mobilized relative to women, also the number of people who have evacuated as refugees to Europe.

    In a country with 40 million people, even if there were 50,000 casualties, it wouldn't be something you could see on the streets. But if they mobilize one or two million young men this could be perhaps something you could see.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

    There’s also definitely significantly more women in the street than men

    More, but doesn’t seem like a large discrepancy.

    It’s funny street music they play at 8:15 is “Hevenu Shalom Alechem”, Hasidic music in the plaza where there is a UPA flag

    There are Jewish soldiers with UPA flags on their uniforms, why not? Modern Ukrainian ideas of UPA don’t correspond to the historical reality. But then neither to Soviet claims about them.

    Last time I was in Lviv, in 2017, people were playing interpretations of 80s Russian rock on acoustic instruments on the main market square on a warm summer night.

    In a country with 40 million people, even if there were 50,000 casualties, it wouldn’t be something you could see on the streets

    Of course. My point is that Russian propagandists are claiming 300,000 or more Ukrainian dead which would mean another 700,000 (at least) injured. Add several 100,000s in the military and one would expect to see very few men in the streets at all. Given the mass number of injured that would accompany 300,000 dead, one would also expect to see a large number of crippled people. Russians also claim that the Ukrainian army is so desperate for more troops and running out of them that it is commonplace for military recruiters m to hunt down any man they can find and send him to the front.

    Instead, there are indeed fewer men than women but it looks fairly normal. Plenty of men around. Nobody is running from the police.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AP




    Lviv 2023:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ItPQj8zz3k

     

    It’s funny street music they play at 8:15 is “Hevenu Shalom Alechem”, Hasidic music in the plaza where there is a UPA flag


     

    There are Jewish soldiers with UPA flags on their uniforms, why not?
     
    I was reading Wikipedia says in 2022 German choirs were singing it for Ukrainian refugees.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hevenu_shalom_aleichem#Uses:~:text=in%202019.%5B25%5D-,The%20song%20was%20suggested,all%20the%20flowers%20gone%22. One of the unpredicted uses I would have not guessed.
  643. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Regarding the expulsion: Germany in WW2 murdered tens of millions of civilians in eastern Europe.
     
    In Czechoslovakia? Tens of millions? No, that was mostly in Ukraine, Belarus and Poland.

    It was not realistic after WW2 to expect that the survivors would not take it out on the local Germans.

     

    So did you murder them, too, and not just expel them? And you expropriated everything they had owned, right?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Emil Nikola Richard

    OK this one is even funnier than the other one.

    We really need an accounting of who did how much excess butchery 80 years ago. It will finish the most important phase of internet fight ONCE AND FOR ALL.

    China Japan had the best photo. Brought a tear to my eye. Even if it was an AI deep fake.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    We really need an accounting of who did how much
     
    Everyone should lose their immunity once they step into this forum and start trashing other Euro nations.

    Beckow likes to dish out but he needs to learn to take it.

    , @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    https://youtu.be/oLt5qSm9U80?si=KqY2zloy14H3MbGa

  644. @Dmitry
    @German_reader


    background in Christian (or “Judeo-Christian”) culture
     
    In the West, Nazism is usually viewed as rejection of the Enlightenment/modern Christianity/Western civilization. So, it's usually viewed as a return to primitivism or "caveman ideology". But, in the postwar Soviet view after the Iron Curtain, it was promoted like "Nazism is the heart of the Western capitalism", "Hitler is the real face of bourgeois democracy".

    In our forum, you could see the Soviet educated users like AnoninTN and Bashibuzuk have this view.

    For example, AnoninTN writes to us "all of Europe has united to invade Russia every century", viewing Nazi Germany as representative of Europe or ancestor of NATO/EU.

    Although I think Bashibuzuk was just trolling AP as it would be scientifically ignorant including in terms of understanding of what is being measured, a few months ago writing Western Europeans are "genocidal genetically" because of having more paternal haplogroups from some ancient populations which some people have a hypothesize might have killed some other populations around 4500 years in the past.


    culture have no conscience? Maybe no souls either?
     
    They don't have European, Christian or Enlightenment social norms or culture background in many of the third world countries compared to the developed countries. In parts of the 21st century Arab world, it would be still common to celebrate killing of civilians if they are in the enemy tribe without viewing this as a socially taboo.

    While in the 20th century Europe this would be usually socially taboo, although they could still present it as a military objective. For example, bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki would be to kill civilians, but there would be socially taboo in the general for Americans to not celebrate with champagne "we killed civilians, we are happy", even if they had believed that privately.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    Although I think Bashibuzuk was just trolling AP as it would be scientifically ignorant including in terms of understanding of what is being measured, a few months ago writing Western Europeans are “genocidal genetically” because of having more paternal haplogroups from some ancient populations which some people have a hypothesize might have killed some other populations around 4500 years in the past.

    I remember Bashibuzuk mentioning the ideas of Anatole Klyosov on this. I found a book compilation of some of his papers on DNA genealogy on Google books a while back, it contains a summary of his ideas on this Bronze Age migrations topic.

  645. Beginning about five years ago, they made mini Neanderthal brains. Organoids, or unvascularized collections of about a million cells the size of a pea.

    [MORE]

    Technically, they were hybrid cells, and they made them using Crispr. No idea how many genes they actually changed, and so the conclusions might be way off.

    But one finding was that the Neanderthal brain seemed to mature faster. The idea being that they lived in a more uncertain environment, and that they probably weren’t as smart, even though their brains were larger.

    (BTW, I think the Progressive love for the Other could be safely transferred to Neanderthals, with the right propaganda effort, assuming nobody tries to bring them back.)

    Anyway, they should made African ghost brains and compare them to the Neanderthal ones, to see if they develop quicker. Of course, not as much ghost DNA survives (at least probably), but still might be possible to make a comparison by using the same set of genes.

  646. @Beckow
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    ...Japan’s main war aim was anti-Soviet communism.
     
    Sure, that's why they attacked Philippines, Indonesia, China - all communist, right? And Singapore, another commie hotbed.

    Are you really this stupid or do you believe the nonsense you write.

    Japan’s main mission was rescue the Czechoslovak Legion, whose opponent was the German Empire.
     
    Japan couldn't find Czechoslovakia on the map if you killed them. And by 1918 the Legion couldn't find the German Empire since it ceased to exist.

    Are you really this stupid or do you believe the nonsense you write?

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Japan can certainly find Poland on the map and supported them against the interest of their Germany ally:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan–Poland_relations

    Japan can certainly find Ethiopia on the map and supported them against the interest of their Italian ally:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopia–Japan_relations

    Japan proposed the Racial Equality Proposal amendment to the Treaty of Versailles in 1919 (that would have applied to yellows as well as browns and blacks).

    Japan (2) Yes
    France (2) Yes
    Italy (2) Yes
    Brazil (1) Yes
    China (1) Yes
    Greece (1) Yes
    Serbia (1) Yes
    Czechoslovakia (1) Yes

    Total: 11 Yes

    British Empire (2) – Not Registered
    United States (2) – Not Registered
    Portugal (1) – Not Registered
    Romania (1) – Not Registered
    Belgium (2) – Absent[19]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_Equality_Proposal#Vote

    Czechoslovakia voted for it as well as most of the white countries. The Anglos vetoed it but ceded Qingdao, former Germany colony in China to Japan, thereby driving a permanent wedge between China and Japan. And later claimed that Japan invaded China for no reason despite Britain having supported Japan in taking Qingdao.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Tsingtao

    You know how that works.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    A random collection of irrelevant factoids - Ethiopia? really? - it shows that your claims about why Japan invaded Russia and why they started WW2 in Asia are full of s..t...

    The first thing Japan did after capturing Singapore in 1942 was to round-up the local bolshevik government and reopen capitalist street shacks that the bloody commies shut down. That's what it was about: the Japs went to the ends of the world (or at least Asia) to fight the reds. Is that what you are claiming?

    Kind of like the Nazis when one thinks about it...so I guess the Japanese brutality was ok, is that your real point? A backdoor attempt to justify the unjustifiable?
    ...because "commies"...

    Replies: @German_reader

  647. @German_reader
    @Coconuts

    I've heard of Bruckner. Haven't looked into him closer, because tbh these liberal defenses of "Western civ" usually don't do much for me; too often they amount to vague appeals for "standing up for our values" (which then often turns out to be antiracism, at least of the supposedly moderate kind, and LGBTQ stuff) and/or neoconnish defenses of Western foreign policy projects I regard as harmful and misguided. But thanks for the recommendation, I might look at it.

    Replies: @songbird

    It’s really weird to see some Progressives picking sides in the Gaza conflict based on a professed belief in LGBT rights.

    Israel is a tiny strip of land. Gaza even much more so. Is it really so important that super-gay, sex tourists be allowed to vacation in Gaza city? Is that worth turning the place to rubble and killing thousands of civilians?

  648. @Beckow
    @AP

    Ok, let's reverse it: is Kiev winning? My point that you abbreviated was that Ukraine was in better position to get a good deal before they started to lose the war - the best time was before the war.

    Is Kiev winning now? How low do you have to define "winning" to claim that? This is not like Iraq or Vietnam - it is a traditional war between regular armies. You are hoping that guerilla warfare would happen if Kiev loses more territory; some would, but I doubt enough to make much difference. Demography and geography are completely different.

    Prigozhin captured a city? Really? What for like 1-2 days Wagner tanks surrounded the local gment building and then left. Quite a "capture"...the internal back-biting within the Kiev ruling circle is more dangerous.

    Replies: @AP

    My point that you abbreviated was that Ukraine was in better position to get a good deal before they started to lose the war – the best time was before the war.

    Before the war Russia demanded regime change (it claimed the Ukrainian government was full of Nazis and demanded deNazification), demilitarisation, and for Russia to decide Ukrainian internal policies (regarding education, etc.). Regime change according to Russia’s liking meant Belarusianization. Which would have meant flipping from EU to Eurasian Customs Union. Ukraine would have been intact, sure, but it would have been about as independent as the Warsaw Pact countries were during the Cold War.

    Ukrainians were willing to fight to prevent that from happening.

    Is Kiev winning now?

    Relative to Russia’s goals and relative to the early part of the war, yes.

    But it of course has not won. And it (as is Russia) is worse off than it had been in 2021. So in that sense both countries are losing.

    This is not like Iraq or Vietnam – it is a traditional war between regular armies. You are hoping that guerilla warfare would happen if Kiev loses more territory

    I did not mention guerrilla warfare.

    Yes, it’s a conventional war between regular armies. One like this hasn’t happened for 80 years in Europe. In modern times such wars have involved unmatched opponents and therefore have been quick and fairly bloodless for the victor – USA defeated the Iraqi army and occupied the entire country in 5 weeks.

    This is the first time there is such a war that is lasting for almost two years (and almost certainly will go beyond 2 years). Recently, only guerrilla wars have lasted this long.

    Countries can collapse or withdraw eventually in such wars, though because there haven’t been such wars recently we have to go back in time to find examples. Russia did it in 1917 (it was actually gaining ground when it’s soldiers just refused to fight), Germany gave up in 1918 despite still controlling a lot of territory beyond German lands. Japan didn’t capture more than peripheral places like Sakhalin before Russia gave up, after losing 55,000 dead. At some point people will collectively decide that it isn’t worth it.

    Ukrainians are fighting for their homes, so they will last longer than guys from Siberia sent to get their guts blown out in some Kherson field.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Countries can collapse or withdraw eventually in such wars, though because there haven’t been such wars recently we have to go back in time to find examples. Russia did it in 1917 (it was actually gaining ground when it’s soldiers just refused to fight), Germany gave up in 1918 despite still controlling a lot of territory beyond German lands. Japan didn’t capture more than peripheral places like Sakhalin before Russia gave up, after losing 55,000 dead. At some point people will collectively decide that it isn’t worth it.
     
    You forgot to mention Japan in 1945, which also surrendered when Japanese troops were still located outside of Japan's borders in huge numbers.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Beckow
    @AP


    ...Before the war Russia demanded regime change...
     
    If Kiev loses the war there will be a change in government. All the things you list are either unsupported projections or things any decent government should do anyway, like give minority schools to Russians. But you prefer the Baltic way, see where it got you?

    On the nature of the war, you and I agree. But based on the overall forces and the fact that it is also a 'domestic' war for Russia - they see it that way - the odds are very high that if one side wins it will be Russia. I used to think it is 80-20 in Russia's favor, I would up that after the failed Kiev offensive to 85-15. What do you think? (And don't do 50-50, that simply says "I don't know').


    ...Ukrainians are fighting for their homes, so they will last longer
     
    What if they don't? You have nothing but your wishful thinking to back that up...

    Replies: @AP

  649. Was this (1999, Japanese) movie financed by the CIA?

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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Zero

    Tobio then reveals to Ace that she is transgender, causing him to scream and run into another room. There, he sees a vision of Guitar Wolf, who tells him that “love has no borders, nationalities, or genders”.

    Ace says he never again went to a Guitar Wolf show, but that he learned “love has no borders, nationalities, or genders”, and that he will remain with Tobio.

    • Replies: @S
    @songbird


    Was this (1999, Japanese) movie financed by the CIA?
     
    Ideally the film would never have been made, but if someone had to finance it I'd prefer it be the CIA rather than Japanese movie goers...as this would allow more hope for the Japanese as a people.

    Anyhow, you're not at all crazy to wonder about CIA involvement. They've been involved in foreign film production before, as no doubt other intel agencies have been...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm_(1954_film)


    https://youtu.be/Svi0jrOeQoU?feature=shared

    'Unbeknownst to her [Orwell's widow Sonia], they were actually undercover agents for the Central Intelligence Agency's Office of Policy Coordination..'

    After Orwell's death in 1950, his widow Sonia Orwell sold the film rights to Animal Farm to film executives Carleton Alsop and Farris Farr. Unbeknownst to her, they were actually undercover agents for the Central Intelligence Agency's Office of Policy Coordination, which was funding anti-communist art for E. Howard Hunt's Psychological Warfare Workshop. Hunt chose The March of Time newsreel producer Louis de Rochemont and his production company as a front organization for production. De Rochemont agreed so that he could release "frozen pounds" earned from ticket sales of his previous film Lost Boundaries, which were required to be spent on film productions staged in the United Kingdom.
     


    Added bonus...an excellent copy of the 1954 broadcast of the live action BBC version of 1984 starring Peter Cushing of horror film fame. Included is the rarely seen intro warning viewers that the film is not likely to inspire hope for the future of mankind. [I sure am glad I no longer take the whole 'Capitalist vs Communist' thing very seriously anymore! :-) ]

    https://youtu.be/1Y12QPFxgIc?si=s-xUiw97uQROdY4N

    Replies: @S, @songbird

  650. @Sean
    @AP


    Russia would implement mass mobilisation or would leave if it lost 300,000 killed.
     
    Russia's system and standpoint can’t be made to disappear by any prudent (indirect) support for Ukraine. Russia has the strategic space and propinquity to continue a war against Ukraine from Russia proper, so even if Ukraine pushed the Russian army out of all Ukrainian territory, how could Russia be made to accept its failure and end the war? A direct American intervention going to the last extremity might produce capitulation by Russia to Ukraine’s terms, but that is fantasy.

    I also think that the figure of 300,000 dead Russians is not realistic
     

    Russia underestimates their KIA by an order of magnitude and Ukraine does not give a figure but says it has a massively favourable ration of attrition (Zelensky has said that 3-5 Russians die for every Ukrainian).

    An unattributed briefing by US intel published in the NYT the other month puts Russia's total casualties at 300,000 with 120,000 killed, and Ukraine 200,000 with 70,000 KIA. The losses at the begining of the war were surely the worst for Russia inasmuch they lost a substantial proportion of their best professional soldiers, who whose death has reduced the cadre available as a basis for expansion of the army. What Zelensky has publicly stated about multiple Russians being killed for every Ukrainian soldier is not true even before the Russian convict losses (20-30,000) are subtracted. On both sides the conflict is sustainable at the roughly the current level for years.

    Replies: @AP

    Russia has the strategic space and propinquity to continue a war against Ukraine from Russia proper, so even if Ukraine pushed the Russian army out of all Ukrainian territory, how could Russia be made to accept its failure and end the war?

    If Russia decides that continuing the war is futile, if casualties keep piling up, if it runs out of convicts and provincials so that normal Russians who actually count start getting killed in significant numbers, and if it is offered some carrot it may stop.

    An unattributed briefing by US intel published in the NYT the other month puts Russia’s total casualties at 300,000 with 120,000 killed, and Ukraine 200,000 with 70,000 KIA

    This is realistic, the exact numbers are probably within 50% of these figures.

    The losses at the begining of the war were surely the worst for Russia inasmuch they lost a substantial proportion of their best professional soldiers, who whose death has reduced the cadre available as a basis for expansion of the army

    Probably true, however the number of Russians killed and the number of Russians killed relative to number of Ukrainians killed has probably been getting much worse (in part because so many of the best Russia soldiers were wasted early on).

    What Zelensky has publicly stated about multiple Russians being killed for every Ukrainian soldier is not true even before the Russian convict losses (20-30,000) are subtracted

    The meat wave tactics suggest that it’s true though he likely exaggerates the magnitude of it.

    On both sides the conflict is sustainable at the roughly the current level for years.

    Because Ukrainians are fighting for their homes and know what is at stake (people do hear about what Russian occupation is like) it is more sustainable for them than for the Russians. It can go on for another year or two, but at these rates I doubt Russia will continue past 2025. I think Russia will most likely hang in until the next US election and/or administration, though there is a small chance of earlier capitulation, assuming a reasonable off ramp.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @A123
    @AP


    more sustainable for them [Ukrainians] than for the Russians.
     
    You are incorrect. Because Russia believes it is an existential fight for survival, they cannot quit. To date, they do not want to reduce Ukraine to a failed state, but that restraint has "red lines" that are not predictable from the outside.

    It can go on for another year or two, but at these rates I doubt Russia will continue past 2025. I think Russia will most likely hang in until the next US election and/or administration, though
     
    Can Ukraine survive until 2025?

    The American Civil War provides a good parallel. In the early days the Confederacy received external support and was able to function effectively. Later on their foreign support went away and they were crushed.

    The U.S. is regaining national honour and prestige by pulling back. Support of $60-100 Billion per year will go to at most $10B/yr & possibly zero.

    Here is Germany's idea of stepping up. (1)

    Germany is set to double its military aid for Ukraine after the federal coalition government agreed on plans to increase financial support to Kyiv from €4 billion to €8 billion next year.

    The Budget Committee will vote on the hike in military aid on Thursday before meeting for final deliberations ahead of approving the draft federal budget for 2024.
     
    The additional need is ~€80B/yr. Germany is offering a net increase of €4B/yr.

    Where is the necessary funding going to come from?

    there is a small chance of earlier capitulation, assuming a reasonable off ramp.
     
    The reasonable off ramp for Kiev capitulation has been available for some time. Freezing approximately the current lines and military restrictions that prevent Ukraine from arming up for Round 2.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/germany/germany-doubles-its-military-aid-to-ukraine/

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Sean
    @AP


    f Russia decides that continuing the war is futile, if casualties keep piling up, if it runs out of convicts and provincials so that normal Russians who actually count start getting killed in significant numbers, and if it is offered some carrot it may stop ... I think Russia will most likely hang in until the next US election and/or administration
     
    I suppose theoretically, if it is desperate Russia might a la Iran during the hostage crisis, offer to stop fighting (not withdraw) if Trump gets in to take revenge against the Biden administration; the obstacle there is the Ukrainians would not stop fighting and demand a complete withdrawal to cease fire and Biden has said he would not tell Ukraine to end the war before they are ready. Only if Trump was in the White House might the man in the Kremlin have any expectation that terms other that a complete Russian withdrawal from Donbass and Crimea be offered (Trump has said he would tell Russia and Ukraine to both stop and use the threat of massively increased and massively decreased arms supplies to Ukraine as a wedge against the Kremlin and Kiev. However there is no indication that Putin is the sort of gambling man who might take such a risk.

    Because Ukrainians are fighting for their homes and know what is at stake (people do hear about what Russian occupation is like) it is more sustainable for them than for the Russians. It can go on for another year or two, but at these rates I doubt Russia will continue past 2025. I think Russia will most likely hang in until the next US election and/or administration, though there is a small chance of earlier capitulation, assuming a reasonable off ramp
     
    For sure fighting in your own country is a huge advantage in morale, yet the Russians actually see a big picture in which they are defending against an assemblage led by America that Ukraine is the sharp end of. This is what the ordinary Russian is being told, and they have also been told that Russia is doing well in the war. Withdrawals would come as a tremendous shock to the Russian people and make them lose faith in the political leadership; there would be massive momentum for complete change in the Kremlin, were Russia to withdraw. It is hardy a Vietnam, not just because Putin has a totalitarian propaganda machine and compliant mass media, but because it is much easier for the Kremlin to portray the conflict as a war where the homeland is in danger, than the White House could during Vietnam; America was on the other side of a ocean.

    The average Russia is not going to support Putin if he withdraws, and perhaps even more crucially for Putin, when he left his chosen successor would not survive due to being discredited by association, so before long so the whole system would be replaced. A withdrawal by Putin, or by any chosen successor if Putin dies or becomes too ill to discharge his duties, would be flushing his legacy down the toilet. He is better off fighting it out as best he can, and hope that Trump pulls off another upset and demands a ceasefire on the current lines. which is the absolute most that Trump could do for Russia. There is no possibility of Trump cutting Ukraine off and letting Russia win: absolutely none. That would be a humiliation of the US, and Trump is very sensitive to such things; he still has not forgiven Iran for the hostage crisis.

    Replies: @A123

  651. Japan not only evaded any disclosure of its true strategic position in the Pacific, but also declined any interference in American shipments being unloaded at Vladivostok and large numbers of men and amounts of material being transported from East Siberia to the German front in the west. Being forced to watch the continued reinforcement of Soviet troops from the east without any Japanese intervention deeply angered Hitler.

    During a private briefing on 5 March 1943, Hitler remarked:

    They lie right to your face and in the end all their depictions are calculated on something which turns out to be a deceit afterwards!

    Adolf Hitler about the Japanese (5 March 1943)

  652. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @silviosilver

    Are they Anglo or Ethnic?

    It doesn't really matter, but pattern recognition has always been important to me.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    The mother is Macedonian and the ex-husband (and kids’ father) is Croatian, both born here. The kids don’t have any ethnic feelings, interest, knowledge etc. The mother’s kinda greasy like me, but the kids look “full white” (an important detail for racial forums lol). I’d guess the dealer is Anglo from his name (it’s not either of these, but imagine something like Lachlan or Hamish – names only Anglos would ever give their kids), but looks mixed with something, definitely not textbook Anglo-Saxon. No idea what the kids’ friends’ backgrounds are, but the parents’ circle is almost fully either ex-Yu or Anglo.

    I heard more stupidities from them today. Mother kicked the youngest daughter out today in order to “teach her a lesson,” while also admitting it’s unlikely to help make anything better. I can see myself getting dragged into this as a supposed “voice of reason.” Intellectually I know I’d be better off distancing myself and letting people sort their own lives out, but I have a soft spot for people of my/similar background – anyone else I’d turn my back with ease.

    I’ve done it for far worse people than this. There’s one Serb guy, an absolute lowlife jailbird (tatts on his face – nice) who I reluctantly became “friends” with (he took a liking to me and I let him get close) and who I’ve had a few heart-to-heart drinking sessions with him and tried to help him mend his ways a bit. It was a total waste of time and I regret spending a single second on him. How in hell anyone can look at the way people like this live and not view “eugenics” – defined simply as policies that result in a eugenic fertility differential – as a gift from on high astonishes me.

  653. @Coconuts
    @silviosilver


    This is why I’ve never been able to take socialism seriously. I completely fail to see what difference it would make if my friend’s income was boosted by, say, 50%.
     
    When I was younger and more of a socialist the redistribution/nationalisation element was part of it, but it seemed to be about increasing altruism and solidarity, a kind of moral renewal, raising the cultural level of people etc. Then British politics went in the opposite direction and everyone's living standards were rising, it seemed less relevant.

    Some of the old French socialists used to write about the effects of capitalism and bourgeois power on the family, that it will create broken families, widespread prostitution, possibly pornocracy (where prostitutes or harlots control the government), sodomites will be empowered etc. Maybe these intuitions came from observing French society in the 1840s and what it was like already, but they seem to have been prescient.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    I sympathize with a lot of early 20th century leftist – although not doctrinaire Marxist – positions on some things. Imo, the low-hanging fruit has already been picked (healthcare, working conditions etc). There are probably still substantial gains in social solidarity to be made, particularly in the nationalist sense, but that’s mainly because of the low starting point. (“Artificially” low, given the way nationalism has been relentlessly trashed for the past three generations.) The idea that socialist policies are going to lead to cultural renewal or improve the quality of family life (if they were even trying, which they’re certainly not) is not at all credible. The most that can be done for the great mass of people is to help them stop unnecessarily hurting themselves. If we want more, it’s eugenics or bust.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @silviosilver


    If we want more, it’s eugenics or bust.
     
    Bust. Eugenics is proven to fail over and over and over and over . . . . . . . .

    Don't you ever read any history books?
    , @Coconuts
    @silviosilver


    The most that can be done for the great mass of people is to help them stop unnecessarily hurting themselves. If we want more, it’s eugenics or bust.
     
    There's also this side to socialism that isn't bound by normal political discussion:

    From the perspective of this philosophy (Sorel's), the bourgeois ideal of peaceful agreement, an ongoing and prosperous business that has advantages for everyone, becomes the monstrosity of cowardly individualism. Discussing, bargaining, parliamentary proceedings, appear a betrayal of myth and the enormous enthusiasm on which everything depends. Against the mercantile image of balance there appears another vision, the warlike image of a bloody, definitive, decisive battle.
     
    In the past socialism could act by forcing the 'decision', the great conflict. This produced a reintroduction of the nature's gold standard in eugenics; war, disease, elevated infant mortality, material shortages etc. It works less as a policy platform and more like a force of nature.

    I wonder if Woke is channeling something like this instinct in a mitigated form at the moment, with the sort of gradual purity spiraling towards the immolation of their own ethnic group that its white supporters seem to be involved in.

    Replies: @Beckow

  654. china-russia-all-the-way says:

    Is Azerbaijan demanding villages in Armenia proper now?

    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/azerbaijan-says-8-villages-under-armenian-occupation-still-have-not-handed-over/3046550

    Pro-Azeri Turkish media

    Azerbaijan reiterated on Tuesday that eight of its villages under Armenian occupation have still not been handed over by Yerevan.

    “Armenia chose the path of enduring to menace the peace process, lives of our citizens, restoration and reconstruction work carried out in the region … Armenia also refused to hand over eight Azerbaijani villages, which are still under occupation,” said a statement by the Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry.

    Azeri media

    Additionally, President Aliyev highlighted that eight Azerbaijani villages, including seven in the Gazakh district and one in the Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic, remain under Armenian occupation. He stressed the importance of liberating these areas.

    US Armenia media

    In Ultimatum to Yerevan, Azerbaijan Demands 8 Villages from Armenia. Azerbaijan demanded what it called eight “occupied” villages from Armenia, issuing an ultimatum to Yerevan and accusing the government there of hindering the peace process.

    What’s the real story?

  655. @AP
    @Sean


    Russia has the strategic space and propinquity to continue a war against Ukraine from Russia proper, so even if Ukraine pushed the Russian army out of all Ukrainian territory, how could Russia be made to accept its failure and end the war?
     
    If Russia decides that continuing the war is futile, if casualties keep piling up, if it runs out of convicts and provincials so that normal Russians who actually count start getting killed in significant numbers, and if it is offered some carrot it may stop.

    An unattributed briefing by US intel published in the NYT the other month puts Russia’s total casualties at 300,000 with 120,000 killed, and Ukraine 200,000 with 70,000 KIA
     
    This is realistic, the exact numbers are probably within 50% of these figures.

    The losses at the begining of the war were surely the worst for Russia inasmuch they lost a substantial proportion of their best professional soldiers, who whose death has reduced the cadre available as a basis for expansion of the army
     
    Probably true, however the number of Russians killed and the number of Russians killed relative to number of Ukrainians killed has probably been getting much worse (in part because so many of the best Russia soldiers were wasted early on).

    What Zelensky has publicly stated about multiple Russians being killed for every Ukrainian soldier is not true even before the Russian convict losses (20-30,000) are subtracted
     
    The meat wave tactics suggest that it’s true though he likely exaggerates the magnitude of it.

    On both sides the conflict is sustainable at the roughly the current level for years.
     
    Because Ukrainians are fighting for their homes and know what is at stake (people do hear about what Russian occupation is like) it is more sustainable for them than for the Russians. It can go on for another year or two, but at these rates I doubt Russia will continue past 2025. I think Russia will most likely hang in until the next US election and/or administration, though there is a small chance of earlier capitulation, assuming a reasonable off ramp.

    Replies: @A123, @Sean

    more sustainable for them [Ukrainians] than for the Russians.

    You are incorrect. Because Russia believes it is an existential fight for survival, they cannot quit. To date, they do not want to reduce Ukraine to a failed state, but that restraint has “red lines” that are not predictable from the outside.

    It can go on for another year or two, but at these rates I doubt Russia will continue past 2025. I think Russia will most likely hang in until the next US election and/or administration, though

    Can Ukraine survive until 2025?

    The American Civil War provides a good parallel. In the early days the Confederacy received external support and was able to function effectively. Later on their foreign support went away and they were crushed.

    The U.S. is regaining national honour and prestige by pulling back. Support of $60-100 Billion per year will go to at most $10B/yr & possibly zero.

    Here is Germany’s idea of stepping up. (1)

    Germany is set to double its military aid for Ukraine after the federal coalition government agreed on plans to increase financial support to Kyiv from €4 billion to €8 billion next year.

    The Budget Committee will vote on the hike in military aid on Thursday before meeting for final deliberations ahead of approving the draft federal budget for 2024.

    The additional need is ~€80B/yr. Germany is offering a net increase of €4B/yr.

    Where is the necessary funding going to come from?

    there is a small chance of earlier capitulation, assuming a reasonable off ramp.

    The reasonable off ramp for Kiev capitulation has been available for some time. Freezing approximately the current lines and military restrictions that prevent Ukraine from arming up for Round 2.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/germany/germany-doubles-its-military-aid-to-ukraine/

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    You are incorrect. Because Russia believes it is an existential fight for survival, they cannot quit.

    How would they not exist if they had to go back to Jan 2021 borders?

    Putin's most recent claim is that they are fighting for (annexed) Russia. He is calling Donbas part of Russia. He is also claiming Zaporizhzhia oblast voted to join even though they were not part of LPR/DPR and voted for Zelensky. Do you think he is being honest?

    Can Ukraine survive until 2025?

    You do realize that Shoigu said the war will go until 2025??

    The additional need is ~€80B/yr. Germany is offering a net increase of €4B/yr.

    Where is the necessary funding going to come from?

    Better hope that the new house speaker's plan to acquire $300 billion in Russian assets to fund the war doesn't work.

    They'll turn it right over to US defense companies.

  656. Did not watch the debate, so I missed this part, but:

    When Vivek mentioned Nicky Haley’s daughter uploading a video to TikTok, was he merely using TikTok as a negative buzzword, or making an oblique reference to encourage people to look it up and find out her daughter is a mudshark?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    This is great. Professional wrestling showmanship at its finest. Haley should crash a folding chair on his head.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  657. @A123
    @John Johnson

    Your acceptance of the Fake Stream Media narrative is stunningly naive. Why do you believe the MSNBC story that anyone can join any race at any time?

    The reality of the situation is vastly more mundane and complex. Campaigns need advance fund raising. That is used to obtain staff in 50 states. Those 50 local operations spend months obtaining ballot access. All of this has to successfully execute before the primary/caucus filing date passes.

    We are already well past the point where a cold start campaign would be excluded from the opportunity to run in certainly states. Give it another 30-45 days, and it becomes mathematically impossible to acquire enough delegates. It is simply too late to use the "open primary" mechanic to displace Not-The-President Biden.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Your acceptance of the Fake Stream Media narrative is stunningly naive.

    Pointing out that the MSM doesn’t control the primary is naive? Did they get a Black woman last time as the candidate or not?

    Why do you believe the MSNBC story that anyone can join any race at any time?

    Anyone can run for president. If you have actually voted then you would see the odd-ball left-wing candidates that never get more than 1000 votes:
    https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_candidates,_2020

    You seem unfamiliar with our voting system. Are you even American?

    The reality of the situation is vastly more mundane and complex. Campaigns need advance fund raising.

    What exactly did I say is incorrect? Please quote me.

    Maybe you didn’t notice that the Democrat primary in 2020 had over a dozen candidates:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_candidates

    That included Kamala Harris. She didn’t even pull her own state.

    Practically any Democrat rep or governor can run. They don’t need millions to enter the race. The DNC will provide the funds to the final candidate. Obama certainly didn’t start with millions.

    As I said the MSM and left can demand a Black female candidate but that doesn’t mean they control the primary or the outcome. Harris bombed as a presidential candidate.

    It is simply too late to use the “open primary” mechanic to displace Not-The-President Biden.

    The primary will happen and Biden will be up for a vote.

    Whether or not the Democrats replace him is unknown. It is also unknown if he will actually run. His numbers continue to decline and he may decide to pull out.

    You don’t know the future and I can tell you that your predictions on Trump are way off. He is not looking good in the current trial and the take home documents case is worse.

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson

    You seem unfamiliar with the U.S. voting system. As you are clearly not American, where are you from?

    There is a difference between:

    • Running in one state -- Which I stated is still possible
    • Winning the nomination -- Which requires running in many states

    How is this difference eluding you?

    Time is rapidly closing on the point where Not-The-President Biden will be the only running candidate even qualified in enough states to win the DNC nomination. There will of course be votes for others. Even write-ins are counted in some states. That minute presence is not meaningful to the outcome.

    What exactly did I say is incorrect? Please quote me.


    the take home documents case is worse.
     
    The documents in a secured room case is a no brainer win for Trump. Then VP Biden's garage documents case is much worse.

    President Trump declassified the documents while in office as part of retaining them. It is amazing that the case has not been tossed. The judge in Florida keeps pushing back the timing knowing that the entire thing is going nowhere.

    The prosecution created an insurmountable problem for themselves, by preventing a Special Master from examining the documents and their classification status. How will they "prove beyond a reasonable doubt" that the documents are classified? Any expert they put on the stand would have to publicly discuss the contents of the documents in open court to prove the documents are actually classified. This is why Special Masters are needed. As they are directed by the court, they are not prosecution witnesses.

    You seem unfamiliar with the U.S. legal system. As you are clearly not American, where are you from?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

  658. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Beckow

    Japan can certainly find Poland on the map and supported them against the interest of their Germany ally:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Takamatsu_in_Warsaw_with_J%C3%B3zef_and_Aleksandra_Pi%C5%82sudska_%281930-10-08%29.jpg
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan–Poland_relations

    Japan can certainly find Ethiopia on the map and supported them against the interest of their Italian ally:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Heruyjapan2.jpg
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopia–Japan_relations

    Japan proposed the Racial Equality Proposal amendment to the Treaty of Versailles in 1919 (that would have applied to yellows as well as browns and blacks).


    Japan (2) Yes
    France (2) Yes
    Italy (2) Yes
    Brazil (1) Yes
    China (1) Yes
    Greece (1) Yes
    Serbia (1) Yes
    Czechoslovakia (1) Yes

    Total: 11 Yes

    British Empire (2) – Not Registered
    United States (2) – Not Registered
    Portugal (1) – Not Registered
    Romania (1) – Not Registered
    Belgium (2) – Absent[19]
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_Equality_Proposal#Vote

    Czechoslovakia voted for it as well as most of the white countries. The Anglos vetoed it but ceded Qingdao, former Germany colony in China to Japan, thereby driving a permanent wedge between China and Japan. And later claimed that Japan invaded China for no reason despite Britain having supported Japan in taking Qingdao.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/British%2C_Indian_and_Japanese_soldiers_in_Tsingtao_%28Qingdao%29%2C_China%2C_1914.jpg
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Tsingtao

    You know how that works.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal

    Replies: @Beckow

    A random collection of irrelevant factoids – Ethiopia? really? – it shows that your claims about why Japan invaded Russia and why they started WW2 in Asia are full of s..t…

    The first thing Japan did after capturing Singapore in 1942 was to round-up the local bolshevik government and reopen capitalist street shacks that the bloody commies shut down. That’s what it was about: the Japs went to the ends of the world (or at least Asia) to fight the reds. Is that what you are claiming?

    Kind of like the Nazis when one thinks about it…so I guess the Japanese brutality was ok, is that your real point? A backdoor attempt to justify the unjustifiable?
    …because “commies”…

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Beckow


    The first thing Japan did after capturing Singapore in 1942 was to round-up the local bolshevik government and reopen capitalist street shacks that the bloody commies shut down.
     
    Eh, what? Commie government in a British crown colony? Who knew...
    No idea what you could even be thinking of. Shanghai and other Chinese cities on the coast weren't run by commies either when the Japanese invaded.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  659. @A123
    @AP


    more sustainable for them [Ukrainians] than for the Russians.
     
    You are incorrect. Because Russia believes it is an existential fight for survival, they cannot quit. To date, they do not want to reduce Ukraine to a failed state, but that restraint has "red lines" that are not predictable from the outside.

    It can go on for another year or two, but at these rates I doubt Russia will continue past 2025. I think Russia will most likely hang in until the next US election and/or administration, though
     
    Can Ukraine survive until 2025?

    The American Civil War provides a good parallel. In the early days the Confederacy received external support and was able to function effectively. Later on their foreign support went away and they were crushed.

    The U.S. is regaining national honour and prestige by pulling back. Support of $60-100 Billion per year will go to at most $10B/yr & possibly zero.

    Here is Germany's idea of stepping up. (1)

    Germany is set to double its military aid for Ukraine after the federal coalition government agreed on plans to increase financial support to Kyiv from €4 billion to €8 billion next year.

    The Budget Committee will vote on the hike in military aid on Thursday before meeting for final deliberations ahead of approving the draft federal budget for 2024.
     
    The additional need is ~€80B/yr. Germany is offering a net increase of €4B/yr.

    Where is the necessary funding going to come from?

    there is a small chance of earlier capitulation, assuming a reasonable off ramp.
     
    The reasonable off ramp for Kiev capitulation has been available for some time. Freezing approximately the current lines and military restrictions that prevent Ukraine from arming up for Round 2.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/germany/germany-doubles-its-military-aid-to-ukraine/

    Replies: @John Johnson

    You are incorrect. Because Russia believes it is an existential fight for survival, they cannot quit.

    How would they not exist if they had to go back to Jan 2021 borders?

    Putin’s most recent claim is that they are fighting for (annexed) Russia. He is calling Donbas part of Russia. He is also claiming Zaporizhzhia oblast voted to join even though they were not part of LPR/DPR and voted for Zelensky. Do you think he is being honest?

    Can Ukraine survive until 2025?

    You do realize that Shoigu said the war will go until 2025??

    The additional need is ~€80B/yr. Germany is offering a net increase of €4B/yr.

    Where is the necessary funding going to come from?

    Better hope that the new house speaker’s plan to acquire $300 billion in Russian assets to fund the war doesn’t work.

    They’ll turn it right over to US defense companies.

  660. For the price tag ($2-3 million), these ocean drones seem suprisingly “meh.”

    [MORE]

    Seems to me that if the Pentagon were smart they would be funding designs that are low cost and have completely automated production.

    Imagine factory ships that use ocean resources to build and launch drones.

  661. @Dmitry
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    There is a difference in this topic between cultures in the First World, Second World and Third World. Although it can be Beckow's argument is true, can be sometimes more related to social norms of the allowed speech, than actual emotions where the difference between cultures could be smaller than the appearance of difference measured in the speech.

    In the First World, the social norm for the speaking is the view "if we killed civilians, this is a crime we should try to avoid or hide". While in parts of the Third World, especially in Islamic countries, norms of speech allow saying "killing civilians, raping their women, beheading them", "we are proud of this".

    Japan is part of the First World category. So, you can expect how they would discuss this. We can see in their external policy they often behave even more Christian than most of the Western countries. They had been sending billions of dollars of aid to China, although China has been investing billions of dollars to create anti-Japan propaganda.

    In the last 60 years, Japan has been apologizing for colonial past, similar to the British apologizing in relation to the British empire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan

    Russia and Ukraine are Second World, with imported European norms. When talking about enemy civilians, the speech is halfway between the attitude of the First World and Third World, depending on the people you are talking with.

    Because of the involuntary Iron Curtain Czechoslovakia was categorized as Second World. But of course, Czechoslovakia is a central European country. Their norms of speech about civilian casualties won't be different much than the Western European countries.

    Replies: @Mikel, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    In the First World, the social norm for the speaking is the view “if we killed civilians, this is a crime we should try to avoid or hide”.

    I guess this is generally true but there’s quite a lot to comment on here.

    First, the deeds. In spite of these very real scruples, the truth of the matter is that First World countries have historically caused the largest amount of civilian casualties in their wars, even after becoming “First World”. To some extent, this is a product of their technical superiority but still there is a glaring paradox there.

    The second thing to consider, that I think explains much of what’s going on in the world right now, is that the scruples against killing civilians are not equally distributed around the First World. The US, in particular, continues to be a rather violent society. As usual in America, things are complicated. They gave the world the pacifist movement of the 60s-70s, for example. But the act of killing scores of civilians in their military operations abroad is pretty much normalized. I think it’s more or less socially accepted that that’s what the US sometimes “has to do”, to bring order to the world. And it’s actually deeper than that, I think. Americans largely accept that their own children must periodically die in horrific, senseless, school shootings because the alternative would be giving up the second amendment, which is unthinkable. I personally like my weapons and having the right to posses them but I wasn’t born in the US and even though, statistically, the chances of my child dying in a school shooting are very small, I’d gladly give them up in exchange for having the security that something so horrible would never happen to us.

    There are of course clear historical reasons for all of this. The US is a frontier country, where I can understand why the right to bear arms was considered necessary, and also it had to fight for its independence, a feat that is still very celebrated. I suppose people in Canada or Australia, where independence was achieved peacefully and the conquest of the territory was much less brutal, are less prone to violence in general.

    Then there’s the Germans. These days they have clearly become indistinguishable from their Western European neighbors but they were already a First World country when they embarked in the WW2 adventure, not exactly an example of “trying to avoid or hide” the killing of civilians. To some extent, they did try to hide some of their worst atrocities but their will to expel/enslave/annihilate members of “inferior races” was very much in the open.

    And then we have Eastern Europe, which is still a bit of a black box to me. I’m not really sure how people in EE regard certain things but it’s actually quite ironic that one of the few places where you can quite openly discuss things like the killing of civilians in Donbas in 2014-2015 is this blog, full of people with EE roots. As is logical, I have talked about the war in Ukraine with a number of people in real life over the past 2 years and one thing I have found is that you have to be very careful to mention the killing of civilians in Donbas by their own government. People can react negatively and stare at you wondering if you are a conspiracy theorist who has been reading too much Russian propaganda. They just don’t know that such a thing happened at all. I don’t know exactly how it happened but the fact is that Western media were initially kind of open about what was going on in Donbas in 2014 but then they switched the narrative to all atrocities being caused by the Russians and that’s the message that stuck with people who get all their information form the MSM and were not particularly interested anyway (about ~90% of the population in the West). A clear example of “if we have to do it let’s try to hide it from the populace”.

    By contrast, in a blog like this I find that I don’t need to beat around the bush and I can openly talk about those events because almost everybody knows that the Ukrainian government did resort to shelling its own civilian areas. However, here the problem is different. Some people with EE roots, perhaps more those hailing from the ex-USSR, seem to find it inconceivable that someone may be genuinely opposed to the killing of Ukrainians by their own government unless he is somehow a Putin admirer. And the message I keep getting when the issue comes up is that those killings were not so extraordinary anyway. Poroshenko had to do it.

    My tentative interpretation of all this is that people in the West are generally less willing to accept atrocities and civilian casualties and when they have to happen for some “greater good”, TPTB try to hide them, while they highlight and even exaggerate them when they want people to strongly oppose a certain enemy. But Americans and EEs don’t probably need as much media manipulation as the rest of the First World in this particular respect.

    Let’s take Israel, for example. They have definitely killed more civilians than Poroshenko (though very likely less than Putin in the SMO) but we’re talking about the same order of magnitude. Even a country with Israel’s influence cannot get away with it easily because these attacks are impossible to hide so many people in the West start opposing Israel quite strongly, especially outside of the US. And you don’t see much opposition to Israel in EE either. I think something similar would have happened in Donbas in 2014-2015 if the media coverage would have been similar to Gaza. Alas, it wasn’t.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel


    As is logical, I have talked about the war in Ukraine with a number of people in real life over the past 2 years and one thing I have found is that you have to be very careful to mention the killing of civilians in Donbas by their own government.
     
    I reluctantly swore off talking about politics with anyone in real life in November 2016. In hindsight it was a large positive benefit and maybe THE one thing I owe toward Donald the Fat. Anybody ever asks me a direct question I say "I don't know" and act ignorant. It is trivial easy to do this.

    At my church the few people who talk about politics are not leaders. At my mason lodge politics are taboo. At my tennis club the best players never talk about politics, not even when Medvedev got banned at Wimbledon. It was talked a lot but I never heard a word about it amongst the best players. For goodness sake it is 10 000 miles away from here. Ukraine and Israel are as close as the planet Neptune for all practical purposes.

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @Dmitry
    @Mikel


    historical reasons for all of this. The US is a frontier country,
     
    I don't think "Americans kill more civilians" because they are a frontier culture.

    It's partly because they are by far the most powerful country in the world, also since 1945 probably trying to reduce ground operations because of the need of politicians in the democratic society to have low deaths of soldiers.

    So, instead of the ground operation, they sometimes use weapons which allow them greater distance so they reduce their soldiers' deaths. This is the drone attacks in Pakistan, artillery against ISIS. Even in the Vietnam war, most of the killing was probably from the aviation attacks, not ground forces.

    In 1945, maybe it was also result of the American scientific advances, which allowed them to win the war destroying civilian cities, without a ground operation.


    First World countries have historically caused the largest amount of civilian casualties in their wars, even after becoming “First World”.
     
    They have most of the military power, so the variables are not controlled.

    The comparison would be if you give the same quantity power to the third world countries, the situation would be safer? Would it be the same? More dangerous?.


    I think something similar would have happened in Donbas in 2014-2015 if the media coverage would have been similar to Gaza. Alas, it wasn’t.

     

    Media coverage is disproportionate and it's determined by some subjective or political reasons, not objectively.

    For example, Egypt had a larger war in the Sinai than Israel since 1982 until 2023, but there is nowhere to read about this in the media. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinai_insurgency Even though this is a few kilometers from Gaza, Egyptian army fighting against similar Muslim Brotherhood related groups as Hamas.

    Replies: @Mikel

  662. @John Johnson
    @A123

    Your acceptance of the Fake Stream Media narrative is stunningly naive.

    Pointing out that the MSM doesn't control the primary is naive? Did they get a Black woman last time as the candidate or not?

    Why do you believe the MSNBC story that anyone can join any race at any time?

    Anyone can run for president. If you have actually voted then you would see the odd-ball left-wing candidates that never get more than 1000 votes:
    https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_candidates,_2020

    You seem unfamiliar with our voting system. Are you even American?

    The reality of the situation is vastly more mundane and complex. Campaigns need advance fund raising.

    What exactly did I say is incorrect? Please quote me.

    Maybe you didn't notice that the Democrat primary in 2020 had over a dozen candidates:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_candidates

    That included Kamala Harris. She didn't even pull her own state.

    Practically any Democrat rep or governor can run. They don't need millions to enter the race. The DNC will provide the funds to the final candidate. Obama certainly didn't start with millions.

    As I said the MSM and left can demand a Black female candidate but that doesn't mean they control the primary or the outcome. Harris bombed as a presidential candidate.

    It is simply too late to use the “open primary” mechanic to displace Not-The-President Biden.

    The primary will happen and Biden will be up for a vote.

    Whether or not the Democrats replace him is unknown. It is also unknown if he will actually run. His numbers continue to decline and he may decide to pull out.

    You don't know the future and I can tell you that your predictions on Trump are way off. He is not looking good in the current trial and the take home documents case is worse.

    Replies: @A123

    You seem unfamiliar with the U.S. voting system. As you are clearly not American, where are you from?

    There is a difference between:

    • Running in one state — Which I stated is still possible
    • Winning the nomination — Which requires running in many states

    How is this difference eluding you?

    Time is rapidly closing on the point where Not-The-President Biden will be the only running candidate even qualified in enough states to win the DNC nomination. There will of course be votes for others. Even write-ins are counted in some states. That minute presence is not meaningful to the outcome.

    What exactly did I say is incorrect? Please quote me.

    the take home documents case is worse.

    The documents in a secured room case is a no brainer win for Trump. Then VP Biden’s garage documents case is much worse.

    President Trump declassified the documents while in office as part of retaining them. It is amazing that the case has not been tossed. The judge in Florida keeps pushing back the timing knowing that the entire thing is going nowhere.

    The prosecution created an insurmountable problem for themselves, by preventing a Special Master from examining the documents and their classification status. How will they “prove beyond a reasonable doubt” that the documents are classified? Any expert they put on the stand would have to publicly discuss the contents of the documents in open court to prove the documents are actually classified. This is why Special Masters are needed. As they are directed by the court, they are not prosecution witnesses.

    You seem unfamiliar with the U.S. legal system. As you are clearly not American, where are you from?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    How is this difference eluding you?

    I said to quote exactly what I said was wrong and you didn't do it.

    What is your overall point? Are you saying a Democrat can't enter the primary and beat the incumbent? Do explain given that it has happened in the past.

    If your answer is "cause money" then have a look at Bernie Sanders. He entered the 2020 race with $300k in assets and beat out multi-millionaires.
    https://money.com/bernie-sanders-2020-net-worth/

    The MSM does not pick the candidate. The MSM does not decide the outcome.

    That was proven in the last election. The MSM favored Kamala and Warren. They both dropped and then it eventually became a 2 man race. I can even dig up an MSM article where a journalist explicitly states that the final candidate cannot be a White man. Well how did that work out? Journalists on the coasts do not get the final vote.


    the take home documents case is worse.
     
    The documents in a secured room case is a no brainer win for Trump.

    You are the most deluded MAGA voter on Unz. Even Truth Vigilante has backed off.

    You call this secure?

    https://images.axios.com/9HepTmPSMv2JW9mvFYfOeHG1oqY=/2023/06/09/1686341631881.jpg

    The MSM is not the main enemy of Trump.

    Trump is the main enemy of Trump.

    WAAAAR 😈

    Replies: @A123

  663. @AP
    @Sean


    Russia has the strategic space and propinquity to continue a war against Ukraine from Russia proper, so even if Ukraine pushed the Russian army out of all Ukrainian territory, how could Russia be made to accept its failure and end the war?
     
    If Russia decides that continuing the war is futile, if casualties keep piling up, if it runs out of convicts and provincials so that normal Russians who actually count start getting killed in significant numbers, and if it is offered some carrot it may stop.

    An unattributed briefing by US intel published in the NYT the other month puts Russia’s total casualties at 300,000 with 120,000 killed, and Ukraine 200,000 with 70,000 KIA
     
    This is realistic, the exact numbers are probably within 50% of these figures.

    The losses at the begining of the war were surely the worst for Russia inasmuch they lost a substantial proportion of their best professional soldiers, who whose death has reduced the cadre available as a basis for expansion of the army
     
    Probably true, however the number of Russians killed and the number of Russians killed relative to number of Ukrainians killed has probably been getting much worse (in part because so many of the best Russia soldiers were wasted early on).

    What Zelensky has publicly stated about multiple Russians being killed for every Ukrainian soldier is not true even before the Russian convict losses (20-30,000) are subtracted
     
    The meat wave tactics suggest that it’s true though he likely exaggerates the magnitude of it.

    On both sides the conflict is sustainable at the roughly the current level for years.
     
    Because Ukrainians are fighting for their homes and know what is at stake (people do hear about what Russian occupation is like) it is more sustainable for them than for the Russians. It can go on for another year or two, but at these rates I doubt Russia will continue past 2025. I think Russia will most likely hang in until the next US election and/or administration, though there is a small chance of earlier capitulation, assuming a reasonable off ramp.

    Replies: @A123, @Sean

    f Russia decides that continuing the war is futile, if casualties keep piling up, if it runs out of convicts and provincials so that normal Russians who actually count start getting killed in significant numbers, and if it is offered some carrot it may stop … I think Russia will most likely hang in until the next US election and/or administration

    I suppose theoretically, if it is desperate Russia might a la Iran during the hostage crisis, offer to stop fighting (not withdraw) if Trump gets in to take revenge against the Biden administration; the obstacle there is the Ukrainians would not stop fighting and demand a complete withdrawal to cease fire and Biden has said he would not tell Ukraine to end the war before they are ready. Only if Trump was in the White House might the man in the Kremlin have any expectation that terms other that a complete Russian withdrawal from Donbass and Crimea be offered (Trump has said he would tell Russia and Ukraine to both stop and use the threat of massively increased and massively decreased arms supplies to Ukraine as a wedge against the Kremlin and Kiev. However there is no indication that Putin is the sort of gambling man who might take such a risk.

    Because Ukrainians are fighting for their homes and know what is at stake (people do hear about what Russian occupation is like) it is more sustainable for them than for the Russians. It can go on for another year or two, but at these rates I doubt Russia will continue past 2025. I think Russia will most likely hang in until the next US election and/or administration, though there is a small chance of earlier capitulation, assuming a reasonable off ramp

    For sure fighting in your own country is a huge advantage in morale, yet the Russians actually see a big picture in which they are defending against an assemblage led by America that Ukraine is the sharp end of. This is what the ordinary Russian is being told, and they have also been told that Russia is doing well in the war. Withdrawals would come as a tremendous shock to the Russian people and make them lose faith in the political leadership; there would be massive momentum for complete change in the Kremlin, were Russia to withdraw. It is hardy a Vietnam, not just because Putin has a totalitarian propaganda machine and compliant mass media, but because it is much easier for the Kremlin to portray the conflict as a war where the homeland is in danger, than the White House could during Vietnam; America was on the other side of a ocean.

    The average Russia is not going to support Putin if he withdraws, and perhaps even more crucially for Putin, when he left his chosen successor would not survive due to being discredited by association, so before long so the whole system would be replaced. A withdrawal by Putin, or by any chosen successor if Putin dies or becomes too ill to discharge his duties, would be flushing his legacy down the toilet. He is better off fighting it out as best he can, and hope that Trump pulls off another upset and demands a ceasefire on the current lines. which is the absolute most that Trump could do for Russia. There is no possibility of Trump cutting Ukraine off and letting Russia win: absolutely none. That would be a humiliation of the US, and Trump is very sensitive to such things; he still has not forgiven Iran for the hostage crisis.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Sean


    There is no possibility of Trump cutting Ukraine off and letting Russia win: absolutely none. That would be a humiliation of the US, and Trump is very sensitive to such things; he still has not forgiven Iran for the hostage crisis.
     
    You keep saying this, but it completely misses the MAGA/Trump perception of this situation which is:
        • Not-The-President Biden is illegitimate.
        • His involvement is Ukraine is personal. A result of bribery and corruption.
        • It in no way represents America.
    And, as I have pointed out elsewhere, PERCEPTION is political reality.

    Only the Veggie-in-Chief would be humiliated by Trump openly repudiating the personal error of the prior regime. America, and thus Trump, will regain prestige and national honour by walking away from Burisma Biden's crimes. Trump is sensitive to such things.

    A better question is -- Will Trump ever forgive Hamas for taking Americans hostage?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Sean

  664. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    My point was that the Christian guilt is a secondary manifestation of consciously wanting to manage that external, inevitable brutality of life.
     
    I'm not sure I understand your argument here...obviously having a sort of inner judge in the form of a conscience prone to experience feelings of guilt can lead to pro-social (or at least avoidance of antisocial) behaviour, like not stealing, not scamming other people etc. even when you could conceivably get away with it. So encouraging such a guilt culture can lead to enhanced societal functioning, high trust etc. (though arguably it may have become maladaptive in today's West). Do you mean that or are you thinking of something different?

    When Japanese or Africans want something they don’t go through complex virtue justifications
     
    When the Japanese tried to create an overseas empire, they couched the project in altruistic terms of wanting to liberate their fellow Asians from Western oppression and guide them in paternalistic benevolence...so I'm not convinced the difference is that great, despite the alleged differences between guilt and shame cultures.
    As for Africans, maybe true.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Beckow

    …encouraging such a guilt culture can lead to enhanced societal functioning, high trust…

    That is the consequence of Christian guilt, but there are other ways to achieve same things in other cultures. I wouldn’t give Christianity too much credit…:)

    I was talking about how the guilt appeared in the early Christian writing, 3nd to 5th century AD. The Church fathers where less concerned with consequences like a high trust society and more with the bloody brutality around them. The guilt, repentance, eternal damnation – the belief in the savior because it was better to believe, to have faith, they seem like a way of coping with the brutal state of the Roman world at that time. It helped to have something to that at least in theory managed that in-your-face brutality. That had appeal for the weak in the society, e.g. women.

    Faith and guilt are at the core of Christianity – they are a very interesting development in the human evolution, we are not biologically made for either one.

    Japanese couched the project in altruistic terms of wanting to liberate their fellow Asians from Western oppression

    They did, I suppose the Western self-conscious goodie-goodie mentality had penetrated Japan to some extent by then. But it was shallow, the couching was not internalized – e.g. Japanese officers infamously had public competitions for the most beheadings that were covered enthusiastically by the Japanese media, Korean women were considered less than slaves, the random brutality by Japanese was boastful and conscious – they were proud of it, almost in an animal predator way. That didn’t exist in Europe.

    But these observations are too categorical – there were similar attitudes among Christian Europeans, especially in the colonies, and when it came to Russians then and now. Maybe there is something about the “other” that triggers even in Europeans their atavistic selfs. (How else can one explain that Baerbock bimbo and her bloody dreams?)

  665. @silviosilver
    @Coconuts

    I sympathize with a lot of early 20th century leftist - although not doctrinaire Marxist - positions on some things. Imo, the low-hanging fruit has already been picked (healthcare, working conditions etc). There are probably still substantial gains in social solidarity to be made, particularly in the nationalist sense, but that's mainly because of the low starting point. ("Artificially" low, given the way nationalism has been relentlessly trashed for the past three generations.) The idea that socialist policies are going to lead to cultural renewal or improve the quality of family life (if they were even trying, which they're certainly not) is not at all credible. The most that can be done for the great mass of people is to help them stop unnecessarily hurting themselves. If we want more, it's eugenics or bust.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Coconuts

    If we want more, it’s eugenics or bust.

    Bust. Eugenics is proven to fail over and over and over and over . . . . . . . .

    Don’t you ever read any history books?

  666. @songbird
    Did not watch the debate, so I missed this part, but:

    When Vivek mentioned Nicky Haley's daughter uploading a video to TikTok, was he merely using TikTok as a negative buzzword, or making an oblique reference to encourage people to look it up and find out her daughter is a mudshark?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    This is great. Professional wrestling showmanship at its finest. Haley should crash a folding chair on his head.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    This is great. Professional wrestling showmanship at its finest. Haley should crash a folding chair on his head.
     
    She sure says some things which indicate head trauma.
  667. @Beckow
    @LatW

    Czecho-Slovakia in WW2 had around 300k victims and dozens of villages wiped out and their population killed. So keep you snarky attitude quiet.


    ...did you murder them, too, and not just expel them?
     
    During the expulsion and as retribution in 1945-47 the estimate is 15-30k Germans died. Horrible, right - but after what happened there was no way to avoid it. It had little to do with commies or Red Army and was done by the locals. Russians left in 1946 and didn't come back until 1968 - in 1946-68 Czechoslovakia was not occupied. German properties were expropriated based on a law against collaboration with Nazism. I think similar laws existed in many other countries after WW2.

    Commies took over in 1948 after winning the 1946 election and pushing their socialist allies out. Why did they win? After WW2 and the 1930's depression it wasn't that surprising - but a lot of people today prefer selective memories.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @LatW

    Czecho-Slovakia in WW2 had around 300k victims and dozens of villages wiped out and their population killed. So keep you snarky attitude quiet.

    The problem is that you decided to speak for the whole Eastern Europe and cited tens of millions. The countries that were hurt by the Germans the most are Poland, Belarus and Ukraine. Slovakia had a Nazi friendly government. And Goebbels had a Czech girlfriend.

    I wasn’t aware that many peaceful Germans were in fact murdered, I knew they were murdered in Prussia (some of those were Germanized Balts). I thought in Slovakia they were just expelled. I remember once watching some YouTube video where Czechs or Slovaks bulldozed a bunch of Germans who were still alive. And of course the famous German girl on the Czech border video.

    You like going around shaming others and calling them Nazis (then and now), but you are yourself far from without guilt.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW

    What happened to the Sudeten Germans in 1945-7 was retribution for WW2. It was indiscriminate, not well organized, groups of asocials joined in. It had nothing to do with commies who actually as "internationalists" opposed it and stopped it in 1948. Some people tried after 1948 were charged with "national hatred" because of the expulsion (the irony).

    By the way about 98% of it happened in Czechia, in Slovakia it was very minor. The small German minority was pushed to Czechia, we also had a very strong set of exemptions. I never hesitate to call our Nazis by that name, we also have a few. Why should I feel guilt? I detest them, they destroyed everything. Even the good ideas they had are tainted by their low-class brutality and irrational hatreds.


    Goebbels had a Czech girlfriend...
     
    No, it was Heydrich. But then who didn't have one? Czech girls are affectionately called rado-dajky, put it in Google translate...:)

    Replies: @LatW

  668. @AP
    @Mikhail


    Your primitive off topic ad hominem
     
    It’s not off topic at all.

    You made a comment about Zelensky being a man child adult because of what he wore somewhere.

    This was very funny because you, yourself, have never accomplished normal adult things like having a family or having a real career.

    It would be like some morbidly obese 400 pounder calling Poroshenko fat.

    I just pointed our facts about you (a proudly public person) that made your comment funny.

    A childless, unmarried man in his sixties who never had a real career (getting letters to the editor published occasionally is not a career) calling a very accomplished man with a long 20 year marriage and children an “adult man child” is genuinely funny.

    Actually thinking that clothes choice proves his supposed point is even more funny.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Keep proving me right loser, as your comments at these threads are the exact opposite of a successful person.

  669. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    OK this one is even funnier than the other one.

    We really need an accounting of who did how much excess butchery 80 years ago. It will finish the most important phase of internet fight ONCE AND FOR ALL.

    China Japan had the best photo. Brought a tear to my eye. Even if it was an AI deep fake.

    Replies: @LatW, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    We really need an accounting of who did how much

    Everyone should lose their immunity once they step into this forum and start trashing other Euro nations.

    Beckow likes to dish out but he needs to learn to take it.

  670. @Mikel
    @Dmitry


    In the First World, the social norm for the speaking is the view “if we killed civilians, this is a crime we should try to avoid or hide”.
     
    I guess this is generally true but there's quite a lot to comment on here.

    First, the deeds. In spite of these very real scruples, the truth of the matter is that First World countries have historically caused the largest amount of civilian casualties in their wars, even after becoming "First World". To some extent, this is a product of their technical superiority but still there is a glaring paradox there.

    The second thing to consider, that I think explains much of what's going on in the world right now, is that the scruples against killing civilians are not equally distributed around the First World. The US, in particular, continues to be a rather violent society. As usual in America, things are complicated. They gave the world the pacifist movement of the 60s-70s, for example. But the act of killing scores of civilians in their military operations abroad is pretty much normalized. I think it's more or less socially accepted that that's what the US sometimes "has to do", to bring order to the world. And it's actually deeper than that, I think. Americans largely accept that their own children must periodically die in horrific, senseless, school shootings because the alternative would be giving up the second amendment, which is unthinkable. I personally like my weapons and having the right to posses them but I wasn't born in the US and even though, statistically, the chances of my child dying in a school shooting are very small, I'd gladly give them up in exchange for having the security that something so horrible would never happen to us.

    There are of course clear historical reasons for all of this. The US is a frontier country, where I can understand why the right to bear arms was considered necessary, and also it had to fight for its independence, a feat that is still very celebrated. I suppose people in Canada or Australia, where independence was achieved peacefully and the conquest of the territory was much less brutal, are less prone to violence in general.

    Then there's the Germans. These days they have clearly become indistinguishable from their Western European neighbors but they were already a First World country when they embarked in the WW2 adventure, not exactly an example of "trying to avoid or hide" the killing of civilians. To some extent, they did try to hide some of their worst atrocities but their will to expel/enslave/annihilate members of "inferior races" was very much in the open.

    And then we have Eastern Europe, which is still a bit of a black box to me. I'm not really sure how people in EE regard certain things but it's actually quite ironic that one of the few places where you can quite openly discuss things like the killing of civilians in Donbas in 2014-2015 is this blog, full of people with EE roots. As is logical, I have talked about the war in Ukraine with a number of people in real life over the past 2 years and one thing I have found is that you have to be very careful to mention the killing of civilians in Donbas by their own government. People can react negatively and stare at you wondering if you are a conspiracy theorist who has been reading too much Russian propaganda. They just don't know that such a thing happened at all. I don't know exactly how it happened but the fact is that Western media were initially kind of open about what was going on in Donbas in 2014 but then they switched the narrative to all atrocities being caused by the Russians and that's the message that stuck with people who get all their information form the MSM and were not particularly interested anyway (about ~90% of the population in the West). A clear example of "if we have to do it let's try to hide it from the populace".

    By contrast, in a blog like this I find that I don't need to beat around the bush and I can openly talk about those events because almost everybody knows that the Ukrainian government did resort to shelling its own civilian areas. However, here the problem is different. Some people with EE roots, perhaps more those hailing from the ex-USSR, seem to find it inconceivable that someone may be genuinely opposed to the killing of Ukrainians by their own government unless he is somehow a Putin admirer. And the message I keep getting when the issue comes up is that those killings were not so extraordinary anyway. Poroshenko had to do it.

    My tentative interpretation of all this is that people in the West are generally less willing to accept atrocities and civilian casualties and when they have to happen for some "greater good", TPTB try to hide them, while they highlight and even exaggerate them when they want people to strongly oppose a certain enemy. But Americans and EEs don't probably need as much media manipulation as the rest of the First World in this particular respect.

    Let's take Israel, for example. They have definitely killed more civilians than Poroshenko (though very likely less than Putin in the SMO) but we're talking about the same order of magnitude. Even a country with Israel's influence cannot get away with it easily because these attacks are impossible to hide so many people in the West start opposing Israel quite strongly, especially outside of the US. And you don't see much opposition to Israel in EE either. I think something similar would have happened in Donbas in 2014-2015 if the media coverage would have been similar to Gaza. Alas, it wasn't.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry

    As is logical, I have talked about the war in Ukraine with a number of people in real life over the past 2 years and one thing I have found is that you have to be very careful to mention the killing of civilians in Donbas by their own government.

    I reluctantly swore off talking about politics with anyone in real life in November 2016. In hindsight it was a large positive benefit and maybe THE one thing I owe toward Donald the Fat. Anybody ever asks me a direct question I say “I don’t know” and act ignorant. It is trivial easy to do this.

    At my church the few people who talk about politics are not leaders. At my mason lodge politics are taboo. At my tennis club the best players never talk about politics, not even when Medvedev got banned at Wimbledon. It was talked a lot but I never heard a word about it amongst the best players. For goodness sake it is 10 000 miles away from here. Ukraine and Israel are as close as the planet Neptune for all practical purposes.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    I reluctantly swore off talking about politics with anyone in real life in November 2016.
     
    Yes, that's usually the best course of action. It's quite unusual (though not impossible) to have productive ideological conversations with random people you meet irl. But in the case of the war in Ukraine I personally found it difficult to avoid the subject a few times because I have relatives in that general area of Europe and also occasionally people come to you regurgitating the usual media talking points and you think that you may try to enlighten them a bit. This seldom works though. When people notice that you have more information than them on a certain subject and besides you don't much agree with what they're saying they typically prefer to stop talking about it. That's why I said that, unproductive as they are, our debates here on Ukraine are actually better than what you usually get in real life :-) And perhaps our debates are not always as unproductive as they may look. The other day AP supported my peace settlement in Ukraine!

    Replies: @AP

  671. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    This is great. Professional wrestling showmanship at its finest. Haley should crash a folding chair on his head.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    This is great. Professional wrestling showmanship at its finest. Haley should crash a folding chair on his head.

    She sure says some things which indicate head trauma.

  672. @Sean
    @AP


    f Russia decides that continuing the war is futile, if casualties keep piling up, if it runs out of convicts and provincials so that normal Russians who actually count start getting killed in significant numbers, and if it is offered some carrot it may stop ... I think Russia will most likely hang in until the next US election and/or administration
     
    I suppose theoretically, if it is desperate Russia might a la Iran during the hostage crisis, offer to stop fighting (not withdraw) if Trump gets in to take revenge against the Biden administration; the obstacle there is the Ukrainians would not stop fighting and demand a complete withdrawal to cease fire and Biden has said he would not tell Ukraine to end the war before they are ready. Only if Trump was in the White House might the man in the Kremlin have any expectation that terms other that a complete Russian withdrawal from Donbass and Crimea be offered (Trump has said he would tell Russia and Ukraine to both stop and use the threat of massively increased and massively decreased arms supplies to Ukraine as a wedge against the Kremlin and Kiev. However there is no indication that Putin is the sort of gambling man who might take such a risk.

    Because Ukrainians are fighting for their homes and know what is at stake (people do hear about what Russian occupation is like) it is more sustainable for them than for the Russians. It can go on for another year or two, but at these rates I doubt Russia will continue past 2025. I think Russia will most likely hang in until the next US election and/or administration, though there is a small chance of earlier capitulation, assuming a reasonable off ramp
     
    For sure fighting in your own country is a huge advantage in morale, yet the Russians actually see a big picture in which they are defending against an assemblage led by America that Ukraine is the sharp end of. This is what the ordinary Russian is being told, and they have also been told that Russia is doing well in the war. Withdrawals would come as a tremendous shock to the Russian people and make them lose faith in the political leadership; there would be massive momentum for complete change in the Kremlin, were Russia to withdraw. It is hardy a Vietnam, not just because Putin has a totalitarian propaganda machine and compliant mass media, but because it is much easier for the Kremlin to portray the conflict as a war where the homeland is in danger, than the White House could during Vietnam; America was on the other side of a ocean.

    The average Russia is not going to support Putin if he withdraws, and perhaps even more crucially for Putin, when he left his chosen successor would not survive due to being discredited by association, so before long so the whole system would be replaced. A withdrawal by Putin, or by any chosen successor if Putin dies or becomes too ill to discharge his duties, would be flushing his legacy down the toilet. He is better off fighting it out as best he can, and hope that Trump pulls off another upset and demands a ceasefire on the current lines. which is the absolute most that Trump could do for Russia. There is no possibility of Trump cutting Ukraine off and letting Russia win: absolutely none. That would be a humiliation of the US, and Trump is very sensitive to such things; he still has not forgiven Iran for the hostage crisis.

    Replies: @A123

    There is no possibility of Trump cutting Ukraine off and letting Russia win: absolutely none. That would be a humiliation of the US, and Trump is very sensitive to such things; he still has not forgiven Iran for the hostage crisis.

    You keep saying this, but it completely misses the MAGA/Trump perception of this situation which is:
        • Not-The-President Biden is illegitimate.
        • His involvement is Ukraine is personal. A result of bribery and corruption.
        • It in no way represents America.
    And, as I have pointed out elsewhere, PERCEPTION is political reality.

    Only the Veggie-in-Chief would be humiliated by Trump openly repudiating the personal error of the prior regime. America, and thus Trump, will regain prestige and national honour by walking away from Burisma Biden’s crimes. Trump is sensitive to such things.

    A better question is — Will Trump ever forgive Hamas for taking Americans hostage?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Sean
    @A123


    America, and thus Trump, will regain prestige and national honour by walking away from Burisma Biden’s crimes.
     
    He would be doing that by demanding both sides cease fire and threatening massive arms supplies or cutting them off to Ukraine and Russia respectively. And by the way that is what Trump has said he would do, if he gets to the White House again (it will be a much bigger challenge this time). It is very well established Trump hates Iran for making the US look impotent half a lifetime ago, that is why he mercilessly ordered the death of Iran's greatest hero.

    Cutting of arms supplies to Ukraine is a complete non starter for any President, except one who campaigned on that basis and won an overwhelming victory. Trump has not said he would just cut off arms supplies to Ukraine. Were he to do that Russia would seen to have triumphed over the US in a test of will. No, Trump is not going to win a landslide and his plans to the extent he has spoken about them seems to be to threaten Russia that if it refuses to stop fighting along with Ukraine then Ukraine will be given an immense increase in armaments while telling Ukraine it will be cut off unless it stops fighting along with Russia . Trump might actually impose such an armistice, but he can't just cut off Ukraine and then change channels to ignore a Russian victory parade through what would be left of Kiev.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-VbAZcyZ_U&list=RDt-VbAZcyZ_U&start_radio=

    Trump is all about status.

  673. • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Thulean was sometimes a very good or logical commentator. He replies to some post I had written by summarizing from a new research article by "Shoresh institute", which indicated about how strong the brain-drain pattern was in Israel. https://shoresh.institute/archive.php?f=research-paper-eng-emigration.pdf

  674. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel


    As is logical, I have talked about the war in Ukraine with a number of people in real life over the past 2 years and one thing I have found is that you have to be very careful to mention the killing of civilians in Donbas by their own government.
     
    I reluctantly swore off talking about politics with anyone in real life in November 2016. In hindsight it was a large positive benefit and maybe THE one thing I owe toward Donald the Fat. Anybody ever asks me a direct question I say "I don't know" and act ignorant. It is trivial easy to do this.

    At my church the few people who talk about politics are not leaders. At my mason lodge politics are taboo. At my tennis club the best players never talk about politics, not even when Medvedev got banned at Wimbledon. It was talked a lot but I never heard a word about it amongst the best players. For goodness sake it is 10 000 miles away from here. Ukraine and Israel are as close as the planet Neptune for all practical purposes.

    Replies: @Mikel

    I reluctantly swore off talking about politics with anyone in real life in November 2016.

    Yes, that’s usually the best course of action. It’s quite unusual (though not impossible) to have productive ideological conversations with random people you meet irl. But in the case of the war in Ukraine I personally found it difficult to avoid the subject a few times because I have relatives in that general area of Europe and also occasionally people come to you regurgitating the usual media talking points and you think that you may try to enlighten them a bit. This seldom works though. When people notice that you have more information than them on a certain subject and besides you don’t much agree with what they’re saying they typically prefer to stop talking about it. That’s why I said that, unproductive as they are, our debates here on Ukraine are actually better than what you usually get in real life 🙂 And perhaps our debates are not always as unproductive as they may look. The other day AP supported my peace settlement in Ukraine!

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel


    The other day AP supported my peace settlement in Ukraine!
     
    Correct but it’s something I supported anyways, I think our former host had the same idea.
  675. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Czecho-Slovakia in WW2 had around 300k victims and dozens of villages wiped out and their population killed. So keep you snarky attitude quiet.
     
    The problem is that you decided to speak for the whole Eastern Europe and cited tens of millions. The countries that were hurt by the Germans the most are Poland, Belarus and Ukraine. Slovakia had a Nazi friendly government. And Goebbels had a Czech girlfriend.

    I wasn't aware that many peaceful Germans were in fact murdered, I knew they were murdered in Prussia (some of those were Germanized Balts). I thought in Slovakia they were just expelled. I remember once watching some YouTube video where Czechs or Slovaks bulldozed a bunch of Germans who were still alive. And of course the famous German girl on the Czech border video.

    You like going around shaming others and calling them Nazis (then and now), but you are yourself far from without guilt.

    Replies: @Beckow

    What happened to the Sudeten Germans in 1945-7 was retribution for WW2. It was indiscriminate, not well organized, groups of asocials joined in. It had nothing to do with commies who actually as “internationalists” opposed it and stopped it in 1948. Some people tried after 1948 were charged with “national hatred” because of the expulsion (the irony).

    By the way about 98% of it happened in Czechia, in Slovakia it was very minor. The small German minority was pushed to Czechia, we also had a very strong set of exemptions. I never hesitate to call our Nazis by that name, we also have a few. Why should I feel guilt? I detest them, they destroyed everything. Even the good ideas they had are tainted by their low-class brutality and irrational hatreds.

    Goebbels had a Czech girlfriend…

    No, it was Heydrich. But then who didn’t have one? Czech girls are affectionately called rado-dajky, put it in Google translate…:)

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    What happened to the Sudeten Germans in 1945-7 was retribution for WW2.
     
    Well, maybe a retribution for something even before that. How exactly were the Germans killed in Slovakia and by who? You're not an objective source, obviously, but do share. I'll keep an open mind. I have read a lot about Prussia, but not so much about Slovakia.

    I never hesitate to call our Nazis by that name, we also have a few. Why should I feel guilt? I detest them, they destroyed everything. Even the good ideas they had are tainted by their low-class brutality and irrational hatreds.
     
    Well, you have painted the Latvian nation with a broad brush countless times, knowing very little about how things really are, being deeply propagandized the way you are. And yet it seems that Slovakia was way more collaborationist and yet they were spared more.

    No, it was Heydrich.
     
    I know that one of them had a well known Czech actress girlfriend, I'm pretty sure it was Goebbels, the one who is considered as one of the absolutely worst Nazis.

    I think this is the actress that cavorted with him:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%ADda_Baarov%C3%A1

    But you're right that there were probably more. So Heydrich too had a Czech one? Hahahah, good one! :)


    Czech girls are affectionately called rado-dajky, put it in Google translate…:)
     
    I don't need to translate - their reputation is well known far and wide.

    Btw, I don't blame them - those Germans uniforms were pretty sexy. :) And they were well groomed (when not on the front lines).

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

  676. @A123
    @Sean


    There is no possibility of Trump cutting Ukraine off and letting Russia win: absolutely none. That would be a humiliation of the US, and Trump is very sensitive to such things; he still has not forgiven Iran for the hostage crisis.
     
    You keep saying this, but it completely misses the MAGA/Trump perception of this situation which is:
        • Not-The-President Biden is illegitimate.
        • His involvement is Ukraine is personal. A result of bribery and corruption.
        • It in no way represents America.
    And, as I have pointed out elsewhere, PERCEPTION is political reality.

    Only the Veggie-in-Chief would be humiliated by Trump openly repudiating the personal error of the prior regime. America, and thus Trump, will regain prestige and national honour by walking away from Burisma Biden's crimes. Trump is sensitive to such things.

    A better question is -- Will Trump ever forgive Hamas for taking Americans hostage?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Sean

    America, and thus Trump, will regain prestige and national honour by walking away from Burisma Biden’s crimes.

    He would be doing that by demanding both sides cease fire and threatening massive arms supplies or cutting them off to Ukraine and Russia respectively. And by the way that is what Trump has said he would do, if he gets to the White House again (it will be a much bigger challenge this time). It is very well established Trump hates Iran for making the US look impotent half a lifetime ago, that is why he mercilessly ordered the death of Iran’s greatest hero.

    Cutting of arms supplies to Ukraine is a complete non starter for any President, except one who campaigned on that basis and won an overwhelming victory. Trump has not said he would just cut off arms supplies to Ukraine. Were he to do that Russia would seen to have triumphed over the US in a test of will. No, Trump is not going to win a landslide and his plans to the extent he has spoken about them seems to be to threaten Russia that if it refuses to stop fighting along with Ukraine then Ukraine will be given an immense increase in armaments while telling Ukraine it will be cut off unless it stops fighting along with Russia . Trump might actually impose such an armistice, but he can’t just cut off Ukraine and then change channels to ignore a Russian victory parade through what would be left of Kiev.

    Trump is all about status.

  677. @Beckow
    @LatW

    What happened to the Sudeten Germans in 1945-7 was retribution for WW2. It was indiscriminate, not well organized, groups of asocials joined in. It had nothing to do with commies who actually as "internationalists" opposed it and stopped it in 1948. Some people tried after 1948 were charged with "national hatred" because of the expulsion (the irony).

    By the way about 98% of it happened in Czechia, in Slovakia it was very minor. The small German minority was pushed to Czechia, we also had a very strong set of exemptions. I never hesitate to call our Nazis by that name, we also have a few. Why should I feel guilt? I detest them, they destroyed everything. Even the good ideas they had are tainted by their low-class brutality and irrational hatreds.


    Goebbels had a Czech girlfriend...
     
    No, it was Heydrich. But then who didn't have one? Czech girls are affectionately called rado-dajky, put it in Google translate...:)

    Replies: @LatW

    What happened to the Sudeten Germans in 1945-7 was retribution for WW2.

    Well, maybe a retribution for something even before that. How exactly were the Germans killed in Slovakia and by who? You’re not an objective source, obviously, but do share. I’ll keep an open mind. I have read a lot about Prussia, but not so much about Slovakia.

    I never hesitate to call our Nazis by that name, we also have a few. Why should I feel guilt? I detest them, they destroyed everything. Even the good ideas they had are tainted by their low-class brutality and irrational hatreds.

    Well, you have painted the Latvian nation with a broad brush countless times, knowing very little about how things really are, being deeply propagandized the way you are. And yet it seems that Slovakia was way more collaborationist and yet they were spared more.

    No, it was Heydrich.

    I know that one of them had a well known Czech actress girlfriend, I’m pretty sure it was Goebbels, the one who is considered as one of the absolutely worst Nazis.

    I think this is the actress that cavorted with him:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%ADda_Baarov%C3%A1

    But you’re right that there were probably more. So Heydrich too had a Czech one? Hahahah, good one! 🙂

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    Czech girls are affectionately called rado-dajky, put it in Google translate…:)

    I don’t need to translate – their reputation is well known far and wide.

    Btw, I don’t blame them – those Germans uniforms were pretty sexy. 🙂 And they were well groomed (when not on the front lines).

    • Replies: @LatW
    @LatW

    A movie was made starring Goebbels' Czech mistress Lida Baarova, called The Prussian Love Story (Preußische Liebesgeschichte). It was banned in Nazi Germany because the affair became politically inconvenient. The movie is about a love affair between a Prussian King and a Polish princess. Couldn't find the full movie, but it looks like this is a fragment from it (really cool scene where he walks out the gate in the rain, while she's pining for him):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWJ_qwjqRxw

    Eurolove. :)

    Replies: @Beckow, @songbird

    , @AP
    @LatW


    Czech girls are affectionately called rado-dajky, put it in Google translate…:)

    I don’t need to translate – their reputation is well known far and wide.
     
    A difference between Czechs and Poles:

    https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/11/14/polish-border-town-asks-czechs-to-stop-getting-naked-in-its-swimming-pool-changing-rooms/

    Polish border town asks Czechs to stop getting naked in its swimming pool locker rooms

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ

  678. @songbird
    Was this (1999, Japanese) movie financed by the CIA?
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Zero

    Tobio then reveals to Ace that she is transgender, causing him to scream and run into another room. There, he sees a vision of Guitar Wolf, who tells him that "love has no borders, nationalities, or genders".
     
    ...

    Ace says he never again went to a Guitar Wolf show, but that he learned "love has no borders, nationalities, or genders", and that he will remain with Tobio.
     

    Replies: @S

    Was this (1999, Japanese) movie financed by the CIA?

    Ideally the film would never have been made, but if someone had to finance it I’d prefer it be the CIA rather than Japanese movie goers…as this would allow more hope for the Japanese as a people.

    Anyhow, you’re not at all crazy to wonder about CIA involvement. They’ve been involved in foreign film production before, as no doubt other intel agencies have been…

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm_(1954_film)

    ‘Unbeknownst to her [Orwell’s widow Sonia], they were actually undercover agents for the Central Intelligence Agency’s Office of Policy Coordination..’

    After Orwell’s death in 1950, his widow Sonia Orwell sold the film rights to Animal Farm to film executives Carleton Alsop and Farris Farr. Unbeknownst to her, they were actually undercover agents for the Central Intelligence Agency’s Office of Policy Coordination, which was funding anti-communist art for E. Howard Hunt’s Psychological Warfare Workshop. Hunt chose The March of Time newsreel producer Louis de Rochemont and his production company as a front organization for production. De Rochemont agreed so that he could release “frozen pounds” earned from ticket sales of his previous film Lost Boundaries, which were required to be spent on film productions staged in the United Kingdom.

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    Added bonus…an excellent copy of the 1954 broadcast of the live action BBC version of 1984 starring Peter Cushing of horror film fame. Included is the rarely seen intro warning viewers that the film is not likely to inspire hope for the future of mankind. [I sure am glad I no longer take the whole ‘Capitalist vs Communist’ thing very seriously anymore! 🙂 ]

    • Replies: @S
    @S

    Looking just now at that 1954 BBC live action version of 1984 that I linked under 'more', at about 8:35 during the 'two minutes hate' they show 'the face of the Eurasian enemy', and a lot of the British actors and actresses in the film instead of scowling in hate burst out laughing. I can only figure this is because the 'Eurasian soldier' looks nothing less than like the 'spitting image' of a Korean War era US GI.

    An inside joke, perhaps, as post WWII more than a few Brits were quite unhappy with the United States for a variety of real and imagined grievances, and at least some amongst them thought they 'would have been better off losing the war'. :-(

    , @songbird
    @S

    I think there was definitely some organized effort after WW2, to insert themes of universalism into the culture. One area it can especially be seen in is sci-fi.

    Poul Anderson wrote this really ham-fisted story called Inside Earth. I never read the whole thing just the beginning, but it was a story about some galactic alien empire that took over Earth.

    Their secret purpose was to get humans to hate them, so they would unite globally to throw off their yoke, since only then, when they had given up their prejudices against other humans, could they be integrated into the galactic empire with a multitude of other races, such a a merchant race.

    It begins with an alien subordinate talking to his superior, his job to infiltrate the resistance, by undergoing temporary surgery (very much like a Star Trek episode). In order to help accomplish this task of uniting Earthmen, the aliens had conspired to chose a leader for them that was a member of the looked-down upon races.

    The subordinate asks whether he is a black (in effect, if not directly). and the superior says that that, no, that was too much to accomplish for the time being. but they did manage to select a Jew.

    Replies: @S

  679. @LatW
    @Beckow


    What happened to the Sudeten Germans in 1945-7 was retribution for WW2.
     
    Well, maybe a retribution for something even before that. How exactly were the Germans killed in Slovakia and by who? You're not an objective source, obviously, but do share. I'll keep an open mind. I have read a lot about Prussia, but not so much about Slovakia.

    I never hesitate to call our Nazis by that name, we also have a few. Why should I feel guilt? I detest them, they destroyed everything. Even the good ideas they had are tainted by their low-class brutality and irrational hatreds.
     
    Well, you have painted the Latvian nation with a broad brush countless times, knowing very little about how things really are, being deeply propagandized the way you are. And yet it seems that Slovakia was way more collaborationist and yet they were spared more.

    No, it was Heydrich.
     
    I know that one of them had a well known Czech actress girlfriend, I'm pretty sure it was Goebbels, the one who is considered as one of the absolutely worst Nazis.

    I think this is the actress that cavorted with him:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%ADda_Baarov%C3%A1

    But you're right that there were probably more. So Heydrich too had a Czech one? Hahahah, good one! :)


    Czech girls are affectionately called rado-dajky, put it in Google translate…:)
     
    I don't need to translate - their reputation is well known far and wide.

    Btw, I don't blame them - those Germans uniforms were pretty sexy. :) And they were well groomed (when not on the front lines).

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

    A movie was made starring Goebbels’ Czech mistress Lida Baarova, called The Prussian Love Story (Preußische Liebesgeschichte). It was banned in Nazi Germany because the affair became politically inconvenient. The movie is about a love affair between a Prussian King and a Polish princess. Couldn’t find the full movie, but it looks like this is a fragment from it (really cool scene where he walks out the gate in the rain, while she’s pining for him):

    Eurolove. 🙂

    • Thanks: S
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW

    Oh, she was playing him like a fiddle...they can be dangerous if one is a fool. And most Nazis were fools. I am not sure the concept of love comes into it...but it was kind of euro: elegant and trashy at the same time...:)

    By the way, during WW2 the Czech film studios in Barrandov next to Prague were quite something: in the occupied country they offered both culture and R&R to Germans, busily produced the required propaganda, and were the premier party location in Central Europe for a good time.

    The Barrandov studios were run for the Nazis by Mr. Havel, uncle of Vaclav Havel. Little Vaclav also had a good time there. After WW2 the Havels were charged with collaboration and lost their very substantial properties - a lot of it gotten from grateful Nazis during WW2. But connections are everything in Prague and young Havel was able to eventually get a job in the theatre and then was mindlessly promoted as "dissident". Quite a story, but he was too drunk most of the time to write it. Instead he penned his retarded absurdist plays.

    Havel family's Nazi collaboration history was not well known in the West. Or was it, and it was a plus? I am not sure anymore...

    Replies: @LatW

    , @songbird
    @LatW

    Not to get into the weeds, but if Germany had won, I suspect it might have had an interesting effect on film music.

    Replies: @LatW

  680. @songbird
    Sunak has sacked Braverman. Some say that she is setting herself up to succeed him.

    What caste are they both?

    Sunak married a Brahmin, so some think he is one. (But I am not sure.) Am thinking Braverman isn't one.

    Replies: @Matra

    Sunak married a Brahmin, so some think he is one. (But I am not sure.) Am thinking Braverman isn’t one.

    No, she’s even named after a character from Dallas, so not likely Brahmin in any way. Her husband is Jewish. She said the other day he has relatives serving in the IDF.

    The famous, or perhaps infamous, German biographer of Putin, Hubert Seipel, is under attack for getting some Kremlin-linked funding. Link

    Of course, we’ve seen with the Russia Collusion Hoax that Western media and intelligence services will make such accusations, and will continue repeating them even when found to be untrue, so who knows.

    • Thanks: songbird
  681. @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    I reluctantly swore off talking about politics with anyone in real life in November 2016.
     
    Yes, that's usually the best course of action. It's quite unusual (though not impossible) to have productive ideological conversations with random people you meet irl. But in the case of the war in Ukraine I personally found it difficult to avoid the subject a few times because I have relatives in that general area of Europe and also occasionally people come to you regurgitating the usual media talking points and you think that you may try to enlighten them a bit. This seldom works though. When people notice that you have more information than them on a certain subject and besides you don't much agree with what they're saying they typically prefer to stop talking about it. That's why I said that, unproductive as they are, our debates here on Ukraine are actually better than what you usually get in real life :-) And perhaps our debates are not always as unproductive as they may look. The other day AP supported my peace settlement in Ukraine!

    Replies: @AP

    The other day AP supported my peace settlement in Ukraine!

    Correct but it’s something I supported anyways, I think our former host had the same idea.

  682. @S
    @songbird


    Was this (1999, Japanese) movie financed by the CIA?
     
    Ideally the film would never have been made, but if someone had to finance it I'd prefer it be the CIA rather than Japanese movie goers...as this would allow more hope for the Japanese as a people.

    Anyhow, you're not at all crazy to wonder about CIA involvement. They've been involved in foreign film production before, as no doubt other intel agencies have been...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm_(1954_film)


    https://youtu.be/Svi0jrOeQoU?feature=shared

    'Unbeknownst to her [Orwell's widow Sonia], they were actually undercover agents for the Central Intelligence Agency's Office of Policy Coordination..'

    After Orwell's death in 1950, his widow Sonia Orwell sold the film rights to Animal Farm to film executives Carleton Alsop and Farris Farr. Unbeknownst to her, they were actually undercover agents for the Central Intelligence Agency's Office of Policy Coordination, which was funding anti-communist art for E. Howard Hunt's Psychological Warfare Workshop. Hunt chose The March of Time newsreel producer Louis de Rochemont and his production company as a front organization for production. De Rochemont agreed so that he could release "frozen pounds" earned from ticket sales of his previous film Lost Boundaries, which were required to be spent on film productions staged in the United Kingdom.
     


    Added bonus...an excellent copy of the 1954 broadcast of the live action BBC version of 1984 starring Peter Cushing of horror film fame. Included is the rarely seen intro warning viewers that the film is not likely to inspire hope for the future of mankind. [I sure am glad I no longer take the whole 'Capitalist vs Communist' thing very seriously anymore! :-) ]

    https://youtu.be/1Y12QPFxgIc?si=s-xUiw97uQROdY4N

    Replies: @S, @songbird

    Looking just now at that 1954 BBC live action version of 1984 that I linked under ‘more’, at about 8:35 during the ‘two minutes hate’ they show ‘the face of the Eurasian enemy’, and a lot of the British actors and actresses in the film instead of scowling in hate burst out laughing. I can only figure this is because the ‘Eurasian soldier’ looks nothing less than like the ‘spitting image’ of a Korean War era US GI.

    An inside joke, perhaps, as post WWII more than a few Brits were quite unhappy with the United States for a variety of real and imagined grievances, and at least some amongst them thought they ‘would have been better off losing the war’. 🙁

  683. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-west-should-welcome-gaza-refugees-asylum-seekers-hamas-terrorism-displacement-5d2b5890

    From a high-ranking Likud politician and former Mossad officer.
    Seems to be a pattern with him, a decade ago he wanted to send Africans to Australia:
    https://www.jpost.com/diplomacy-and-politics/danny-danon-send-african-migrants-to-australia

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    Seems to be a pattern with him, a decade ago he wanted to send Africans to Australia:
    https://www.jpost.com/diplomacy-and-politics/danny-danon-send-african-migrants-to-australia
     
    I'm surprised you remember that one. (Or did you just chance up on it?) Impressive if the former.

    When that story came out, it was a posted on now-defunct a blog called 'Mangan' (run by one Dennis Mangan). The local yids who'd hang out there tried to pretend Danon was a political nobody. Witnessing such transparent fibbing was one of the early incidents that helped solidify my opinion that jews have a decidedly adversarial relationship with racial realism.

    Replies: @German_reader

  684. @AP
    @Beckow


    My point that you abbreviated was that Ukraine was in better position to get a good deal before they started to lose the war – the best time was before the war.
     
    Before the war Russia demanded regime change (it claimed the Ukrainian government was full of Nazis and demanded deNazification), demilitarisation, and for Russia to decide Ukrainian internal policies (regarding education, etc.). Regime change according to Russia’s liking meant Belarusianization. Which would have meant flipping from EU to Eurasian Customs Union. Ukraine would have been intact, sure, but it would have been about as independent as the Warsaw Pact countries were during the Cold War.

    Ukrainians were willing to fight to prevent that from happening.

    Is Kiev winning now?

     

    Relative to Russia’s goals and relative to the early part of the war, yes.

    But it of course has not won. And it (as is Russia) is worse off than it had been in 2021. So in that sense both countries are losing.

    This is not like Iraq or Vietnam – it is a traditional war between regular armies. You are hoping that guerilla warfare would happen if Kiev loses more territory
     
    I did not mention guerrilla warfare.

    Yes, it’s a conventional war between regular armies. One like this hasn’t happened for 80 years in Europe. In modern times such wars have involved unmatched opponents and therefore have been quick and fairly bloodless for the victor - USA defeated the Iraqi army and occupied the entire country in 5 weeks.

    This is the first time there is such a war that is lasting for almost two years (and almost certainly will go beyond 2 years). Recently, only guerrilla wars have lasted this long.

    Countries can collapse or withdraw eventually in such wars, though because there haven’t been such wars recently we have to go back in time to find examples. Russia did it in 1917 (it was actually gaining ground when it’s soldiers just refused to fight), Germany gave up in 1918 despite still controlling a lot of territory beyond German lands. Japan didn’t capture more than peripheral places like Sakhalin before Russia gave up, after losing 55,000 dead. At some point people will collectively decide that it isn’t worth it.

    Ukrainians are fighting for their homes, so they will last longer than guys from Siberia sent to get their guts blown out in some Kherson field.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    Countries can collapse or withdraw eventually in such wars, though because there haven’t been such wars recently we have to go back in time to find examples. Russia did it in 1917 (it was actually gaining ground when it’s soldiers just refused to fight), Germany gave up in 1918 despite still controlling a lot of territory beyond German lands. Japan didn’t capture more than peripheral places like Sakhalin before Russia gave up, after losing 55,000 dead. At some point people will collectively decide that it isn’t worth it.

    You forgot to mention Japan in 1945, which also surrendered when Japanese troops were still located outside of Japan’s borders in huge numbers.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    Japan did not surrender from war fatigue but because it was getting nuked. It would have fought on otherwise.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  685. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    A random collection of irrelevant factoids - Ethiopia? really? - it shows that your claims about why Japan invaded Russia and why they started WW2 in Asia are full of s..t...

    The first thing Japan did after capturing Singapore in 1942 was to round-up the local bolshevik government and reopen capitalist street shacks that the bloody commies shut down. That's what it was about: the Japs went to the ends of the world (or at least Asia) to fight the reds. Is that what you are claiming?

    Kind of like the Nazis when one thinks about it...so I guess the Japanese brutality was ok, is that your real point? A backdoor attempt to justify the unjustifiable?
    ...because "commies"...

    Replies: @German_reader

    The first thing Japan did after capturing Singapore in 1942 was to round-up the local bolshevik government and reopen capitalist street shacks that the bloody commies shut down.

    Eh, what? Commie government in a British crown colony? Who knew…
    No idea what you could even be thinking of. Shanghai and other Chinese cities on the coast weren’t run by commies either when the Japanese invaded.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...Who knew…
     
    He knew...the Bromance guy shared with us the little known fact that Japan fought WW2 as an anti-communist war, presumably against Russia. So the Singapore commie thing must be true.

    Those sneaky Brits, and they never told us.
    , @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @German_reader

    Bromance must've assumed the late Governors of the Straits Settlements were all members of the Fabian Society.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenton_Thomas

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @German_reader

    Hitler's stated nemesis was jüdischen-internationalen Moskauer Bolschewismus wasn't it? Then why did he first go to war with the West?

    What was the name of the German-Japanese alliance again?

    Chiang Kai-shek first made alliance with Soviets and CCP in 1926, First United Front. Then severed it in 1927 when it was evident Stalin was using him as a "lemon to be squeezed dry"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_massacre

    Shanghai was yet hotbed for communist subversion in the '30s. This (((Ukrainian))) Comintern agent was arrested by KMT there in 1931. Albert Einstein and H.G. Wells got involved in his defence.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Jakob_Rudnik.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_Rudnik

    This meeting took in June 1937. Just before that H.H. Kung had met with Göring, it did not go well because Second United Front had been formed between KMT and CCP.
    https://i.postimg.cc/bwb32KXr/Fv-Am5tca-IAA7e-UR.jpg

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

  686. Added a couple double mag pouches to my daily belt kit.

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  687. @John Johnson
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I thought you were based. Sexually attractive and intellectually mature is a male phenomenon. All women are children until they hit the wall.

    That is incel bullshit.

    You would also be surprised by how many White women behind the scenes in a city like DC actually know the score.

    They lose their liberal beliefs overnight when interacting with a certain minority. That leads them to question other beliefs. Some will continue to identify as liberal but only until they get married. But they don't actually believe in liberalism. They see it as belief in Santa Claus. They basically conclude that lying is the only option because Bad Whites can't be told the truth. Behind the scenes they want a White husband to marry so they can flee to the burbs. You would be shocked by what some of these women say after a couple drinks.

    There are also women that never believed in any of it. They're not going to advertise that in public. I had a girl in a math course who I could have sworn was a feminist bitch. Turned out she was Catholic and planned on having 6 kids once she got out of college. Had zero regard for liberalism. Was there to get an advanced degree and a Catholic husband.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Ok, but they’ll oppose male control + virginity at marriage.

  688. @silviosilver
    So I caught up with old friend for drinks tonight. I have some working class friends like her, but none of whose lives I take much interest in. But I was friends with this woman's ex-husband and I got to know her quite well, so I'm much more willing to help carry the conversation when it turns to common working class sort of themes/problems that have come up in her life (rather than changing the subject, as I often do). I knew about some of things that were going badly for her, and have felt sorry for that she never made it out of that cycle of frankly rather easily-solved (or avoided) problems - since she clearly has the brains for that - but until tonight I didn't realize just how bad it all was.

    A couple of weeks ago we were at a party near her house and I decided to sleep there rather than risk driving, and while I was there her youngest daughter, 16, was begging her to allow her to buy a vape, which she adamantly refused. The mother walked out of the room at one point and her daughter said softly to me "little does she know, I've already got one." I didn't want to give the daughter's secret away, but I wanted to clue the mother in that was more going on than she knew, so I came up with the idea of telling my friend, "your daughter told me a secret but I can't say what it is," thinking that she would then ask her about it and they could argue it out between themselves, and I wouldn't like look like the bad guy to either one of them.

    Well, I never got around to saying that, but it doesn't matter anyway, because the real problems they were having that I learned about tonight make that a laughably irrelevant trifle. Turns out her youngest daughter had boys at the house while my friend was away this weekend (including a black guy, which she is totally opposed to) who stayed the night; she found her stash of vapes; found out she's been smoking weed, which her sister's boyfriend (who is a dealer, of more than just weed) had been giving her; and had not only already lost her virginity but had a reputation as a slut.

    Then the eldest daughter (who is a cut above the other two) joined us while the mother was commiserating with me over drinks about the tough turns life can take and many more stories came out. I was attentive and understanding, listening more than offering "solutions" (which is pointless to tell females in that state of mind, or even in any state of mind lol), but all the same I couldn't help feeling a bit down about how stupidly and mindlessly working class people (in particular, but they're not alone) allow their lives to enter virtual death spirals.

    This is why I've never been able to take socialism seriously. I completely fail to see what difference it would make if my friend's income was boosted by, say, 50%. That's a significant boost and it would certainly be welcome, but the idea that the added income would have enabled my friend and her and family to avoid the kind of problems they're having (and I've left a lot unsaid here) strikes me as utterly fantastical. To me, it's plainly obvious their problems are a direct result of their habitual "stinkin' thinkin'".

    I consider it a great pity that leftists, who it's true tend to care much more about helping the little people than conservatives do, dissipate their energies on trying to raise working class incomes rather than focusing on imparting "life strategies" that would actually help people lead better lives - especially since improving the lot of the working class largely involves avoiding easily avoidable mistakes. (I think teaching someone to not do something is generally much easier than trying to teach them to do something, like some skill which may well be beyond them - hard to know till you try, of course. Eg "learn algebra!"- if we're talking about "everyone," ah yeah ,good luck.)

    The optimist in me finds it quite sad to think that some families seem set to repeat the same cycle of dispiriting dramas, generation after generation - especially when solutions to at least half those problems are already at hand. I often post here in a way that makes me sound very coldhearted and uncaring about other people - and I definitely have some of that in me - but at the same time, it really does perplex me to think how totally unnecessarily many people ruin their own lives.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @German_reader, @Coconuts, @Sher Singh

    Eh, in traditional set up they’d be kept in line by Village Chieftain.
    That would be someone like you with bit higher iq, but less gay.

    Modernity’s centralizing of state power has really screwed over the less fortunate.
    That’s why equality before the law is dumb.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Sher Singh

    In a traditional set up her father or brothers or male cousins (or even grown sons) would have dealt with her violent husband a long time ago.

    The chieftain would be someone who has proven himself above others and with a large extended family of his own, most likely with fully grown male offspring. It would be a very serious person who has no time for trivial matters or empty entertainment.

    A single middle-age or older philosopher type might become a priest (but even there the competition may have been tough).

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  689. @S
    @songbird


    Was this (1999, Japanese) movie financed by the CIA?
     
    Ideally the film would never have been made, but if someone had to finance it I'd prefer it be the CIA rather than Japanese movie goers...as this would allow more hope for the Japanese as a people.

    Anyhow, you're not at all crazy to wonder about CIA involvement. They've been involved in foreign film production before, as no doubt other intel agencies have been...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm_(1954_film)


    https://youtu.be/Svi0jrOeQoU?feature=shared

    'Unbeknownst to her [Orwell's widow Sonia], they were actually undercover agents for the Central Intelligence Agency's Office of Policy Coordination..'

    After Orwell's death in 1950, his widow Sonia Orwell sold the film rights to Animal Farm to film executives Carleton Alsop and Farris Farr. Unbeknownst to her, they were actually undercover agents for the Central Intelligence Agency's Office of Policy Coordination, which was funding anti-communist art for E. Howard Hunt's Psychological Warfare Workshop. Hunt chose The March of Time newsreel producer Louis de Rochemont and his production company as a front organization for production. De Rochemont agreed so that he could release "frozen pounds" earned from ticket sales of his previous film Lost Boundaries, which were required to be spent on film productions staged in the United Kingdom.
     


    Added bonus...an excellent copy of the 1954 broadcast of the live action BBC version of 1984 starring Peter Cushing of horror film fame. Included is the rarely seen intro warning viewers that the film is not likely to inspire hope for the future of mankind. [I sure am glad I no longer take the whole 'Capitalist vs Communist' thing very seriously anymore! :-) ]

    https://youtu.be/1Y12QPFxgIc?si=s-xUiw97uQROdY4N

    Replies: @S, @songbird

    I think there was definitely some organized effort after WW2, to insert themes of universalism into the culture. One area it can especially be seen in is sci-fi.

    [MORE]

    Poul Anderson wrote this really ham-fisted story called Inside Earth. I never read the whole thing just the beginning, but it was a story about some galactic alien empire that took over Earth.

    Their secret purpose was to get humans to hate them, so they would unite globally to throw off their yoke, since only then, when they had given up their prejudices against other humans, could they be integrated into the galactic empire with a multitude of other races, such a a merchant race.

    It begins with an alien subordinate talking to his superior, his job to infiltrate the resistance, by undergoing temporary surgery (very much like a Star Trek episode). In order to help accomplish this task of uniting Earthmen, the aliens had conspired to chose a leader for them that was a member of the looked-down upon races.

    The subordinate asks whether he is a black (in effect, if not directly). and the superior says that that, no, that was too much to accomplish for the time being. but they did manage to select a Jew.

    • Replies: @S
    @songbird

    I think it was Reagan that gave a UN speech where he opined that if only there was the threat of an alien invasion, the whole world could be united against the threat...almost as though he wanted that to happen.

    Then in 1963 there was an Outer Limits TV episode where some 'progressive' scientists altered the DNA of one of their number so that he would appear to be an alien. He crash landed his 'UFO' ship in upstate New York, but before he could make his way to the UN to give his ultimatum ('peace or else') speech, he was gunned down by some rural hunters.

    The girlfriend of the dead guy then gives a righteous speech to the moron scientists that it was their hare brained scheme that got her likely future hubby killed. The episode narrator then concludes that you can't trick people into peace, they've got to want it for it to be real and stick.

    Replies: @songbird

  690. @Sher Singh
    @silviosilver

    Eh, in traditional set up they'd be kept in line by Village Chieftain.
    That would be someone like you with bit higher iq, but less gay.

    Modernity's centralizing of state power has really screwed over the less fortunate.
    That's why equality before the law is dumb.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @LatW

    In a traditional set up her father or brothers or male cousins (or even grown sons) would have dealt with her violent husband a long time ago.

    The chieftain would be someone who has proven himself above others and with a large extended family of his own, most likely with fully grown male offspring. It would be a very serious person who has no time for trivial matters or empty entertainment.

    A single middle-age or older philosopher type might become a priest (but even there the competition may have been tough).

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @LatW

    The Chieftain as a title is not a seperate entity from the men who make up the village.
    That title must have co-ercive power/sovereignity over the populace.

    Rather than, bureaucrats or liberal nitwits.

    https://darwinianconservatism.blogspot.com/2014/01/hobbess-liberal-leviathan-and-rule-of.html


    In many countries around the world today--such as Libya, Somalia, Iraq, and Afghanistan--the weakening or failure of central state power has promoted not individual liberty but the rule of clans that deny individual autonomy. When there is no powerful central government to enforce law and order and provide public goods, people will not live as free individuals; rather they will revert back to an ancient tribal form of social order in which people are treated not as individuals but as members of their extended kinship groups. There are good Darwinian reasons for this, having to do with the evolved instincts for kinship, nepotism, and tribalism based on extended real or fictive kinship.

    The moral codes of these clan societies will enforce group honor and suppress individual liberty. For example, clan societies will enforce the blood feuds, the honor killings, and the attacks on infidels that liberals abhor. The social order of liberal individualism will not prevail unless there is a powerful liberal state that will deny the customary legal systems of clan groups and protect the autonomy of individuals from coercion by clans.
     

    The types Silvio describes need closer management which a bureaucrat can't provide.
    A bureaucrat can regulate.

    A regulation is like a sub-contract telling police or others to handle a problem.
    However, the problem still needs solving & the closer one is the more likely the victims listen.

    The one tasked to solve something & the one tasking the solving are disconnected.
    Therein, lies the root of both modernity's greatest strengths and weaknesses.

    Both its vast scale, and ability to channel resources & a complete disregard for local conditions.

    --
    Liberal society can only provide substitutes - whether processed food, replica knives or voluntary 'clans'

    Even if there is a natural yearning for clan solidarity, a liberal society can satisfy that yearning by channeling it into the natural and voluntary associations of a pluralist society. Weiner recognizes that in his account of how Walter Scott used his romantic historical novel--Waverley (1814)--to imaginatively recreate the life of Scotland's Highland clans in a way that was compatible with liberal society (188-95). A liberal legal order in Scotland must deny the coercive legal authority of Scottish clans, but that liberal legal order could allow people to celebrate their clan identity as something to be celebrated in memory. Scottish clan identity could become a voluntary commitment in a free society of individuals, in which Scottish clan life became a cultural activity in liberal society without the coercive harshness of the originally illiberal clan society.

    https://doomeroptimism.substack.com/p/lessons-for-localists-the-great-indian

    It is important to note here that participation in the protest was not, for many people, entirely voluntary. Village panchayats are an ancient form of local government in villages across India, and in several farming villages panchayats made demands that each family send at least one individual to attend the protest, or make a donation towards the protest if they are unable to do so. Failure to comply with the edict would mean a social boycott. Any localist movement must be accepting of this kind of localized coercion, regardless of how offensive it may seem to liberal sensibilities. If the town or village is to act in self-preservation, it must be able to exact a penalty from those who abstain from their responsibilities. Note that in most of the world, this power to coerce is already granted, but exclusively to the state. This is, as author Patrick Deneen describes, a result of liberalism, and not representative of the natural development of human society:

    Under liberalism, human beings increasingly live in a condition of autonomy such as that first imagined by theorists of the state of nature, except that the anarchy that threatens to develop from that purportedly natural condition is controlled and suppressed through the imposition of laws and the corresponding growth of the state. With man liberated from constitutive communities (leaving only loose connections) and nature harnessed and controlled, the constructed sphere of autonomous liberty expands seemingly without limit.

    Patrick Deneen, Unsustainable Liberalism, First Things Magazine 2012

    That is, the endless expansion of individual autonomy is conditioned on the endless growth of the state. Heaven is necessarily ordered, as Berry says, but “hell hath no limit”. The Rothbardian or Misesian view of human society as consisting of free associating individuals with no pre-existing social or cultural ties is as much an imaginative fantasy as the Stalinist view of the benevolent dictatorship of the proletariat. In fact, the two poles merely work to strengthen each other in the long run, by eroding the local institutions that act as a check on top-down power. Patrick Deneen explains this as follows:

    Replies: @LatW, @Philip Owen

  691. @LatW
    @LatW

    A movie was made starring Goebbels' Czech mistress Lida Baarova, called The Prussian Love Story (Preußische Liebesgeschichte). It was banned in Nazi Germany because the affair became politically inconvenient. The movie is about a love affair between a Prussian King and a Polish princess. Couldn't find the full movie, but it looks like this is a fragment from it (really cool scene where he walks out the gate in the rain, while she's pining for him):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWJ_qwjqRxw

    Eurolove. :)

    Replies: @Beckow, @songbird

    Oh, she was playing him like a fiddle…they can be dangerous if one is a fool. And most Nazis were fools. I am not sure the concept of love comes into it…but it was kind of euro: elegant and trashy at the same time…:)

    By the way, during WW2 the Czech film studios in Barrandov next to Prague were quite something: in the occupied country they offered both culture and R&R to Germans, busily produced the required propaganda, and were the premier party location in Central Europe for a good time.

    The Barrandov studios were run for the Nazis by Mr. Havel, uncle of Vaclav Havel. Little Vaclav also had a good time there. After WW2 the Havels were charged with collaboration and lost their very substantial properties – a lot of it gotten from grateful Nazis during WW2. But connections are everything in Prague and young Havel was able to eventually get a job in the theatre and then was mindlessly promoted as “dissident”. Quite a story, but he was too drunk most of the time to write it. Instead he penned his retarded absurdist plays.

    Havel family’s Nazi collaboration history was not well known in the West. Or was it, and it was a plus? I am not sure anymore…

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    Oh, she was playing him like a fiddle…they can be dangerous if one is a fool. And most Nazis were fools. I am not sure the concept of love comes into it…but it was kind of euro: elegant and trashy at the same time…:)
     
    Well, it looks like it was more serious than simply a fling. Of course, he approached her first (he was immediately infatuated with her). And, of course, she derived benefits from it for her performances (media connections). But I think he may have made her get used to this (and his care) and then when Germany was going to annex Sudetenland, and when Magda started objecting, he had to let her go. Then everything went downhill for her (but at least it wasn't as bad as for the women that Beria used to date rape). So the Nazis did take advantage of her.

    Although I must say that the Führer interfering, with a stern and fatherly hand, is somewhat admirable - that he was able to protect and defend Magda (and her children) as well as handle this kind of a thing (when he isn't even supposed to be dealing with this kind of stuff), in such a careful, yet determined way, speaks well for his character. Had never noticed that side of him before. He must've had good social skills.

    By the way, during WW2 the Czech film studios in Barrandov next to Prague were quite something: in the occupied country they offered both culture and R&R to Germans, busily produced the required propaganda, and were the premier party location in Central Europe for a good time.

     

    Yes, I see that those traditions run deep. :) But it is kind of cool in a way, at least the studios were busy and developed.

    Quite a story, but he was too drunk most of the time to write it. Instead he penned his retarded absurdist plays.
     
    LOL. Yes, that's quite a story. But I don't think you should judge him too harshly for what his uncle was doing. These kind of nepotistic familial things happen everywhere. Probably happened even in the Nordic countries back in the day. It's human nature - you always want best for the kids.

    Havel family’s Nazi collaboration history was not well known in the West. Or was it, and it was a plus? I am not sure anymore…
     
    Do not get all "conspiratorial" now - I think we have enough of those here. :)

    Btw, I liked Karlovi Vary very much when I was there. Especially the warm open air pool during winter. Nice contrast.

    Replies: @AP, @Beckow

  692. @songbird
    @S

    I think there was definitely some organized effort after WW2, to insert themes of universalism into the culture. One area it can especially be seen in is sci-fi.

    Poul Anderson wrote this really ham-fisted story called Inside Earth. I never read the whole thing just the beginning, but it was a story about some galactic alien empire that took over Earth.

    Their secret purpose was to get humans to hate them, so they would unite globally to throw off their yoke, since only then, when they had given up their prejudices against other humans, could they be integrated into the galactic empire with a multitude of other races, such a a merchant race.

    It begins with an alien subordinate talking to his superior, his job to infiltrate the resistance, by undergoing temporary surgery (very much like a Star Trek episode). In order to help accomplish this task of uniting Earthmen, the aliens had conspired to chose a leader for them that was a member of the looked-down upon races.

    The subordinate asks whether he is a black (in effect, if not directly). and the superior says that that, no, that was too much to accomplish for the time being. but they did manage to select a Jew.

    Replies: @S

    I think it was Reagan that gave a UN speech where he opined that if only there was the threat of an alien invasion, the whole world could be united against the threat…almost as though he wanted that to happen.

    Then in 1963 there was an Outer Limits TV episode where some ‘progressive’ scientists altered the DNA of one of their number so that he would appear to be an alien. He crash landed his ‘UFO’ ship in upstate New York, but before he could make his way to the UN to give his ultimatum (‘peace or else’) speech, he was gunned down by some rural hunters.

    The girlfriend of the dead guy then gives a righteous speech to the moron scientists that it was their hare brained scheme that got her likely future hubby killed. The episode narrator then concludes that you can’t trick people into peace, they’ve got to want it for it to be real and stick.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @S

    I was thinking recently that it would be funny if someone did an un-PC twist on the theme of aliens sending a warning to Earth to stop something or other. Like how in the original Day the Earth Stood Still it was about nuclear weapons, and in the remake something like Global Warming.

    Artemis, which seems to have the objective of sending a black lesbian to the moon, seems like it would be a natural fit.

    "You have sent Letisha to the Moon. I am here to warn you that you must send her no further, or face our wrath."

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  693. @A123
    @John Johnson

    You seem unfamiliar with the U.S. voting system. As you are clearly not American, where are you from?

    There is a difference between:

    • Running in one state -- Which I stated is still possible
    • Winning the nomination -- Which requires running in many states

    How is this difference eluding you?

    Time is rapidly closing on the point where Not-The-President Biden will be the only running candidate even qualified in enough states to win the DNC nomination. There will of course be votes for others. Even write-ins are counted in some states. That minute presence is not meaningful to the outcome.

    What exactly did I say is incorrect? Please quote me.


    the take home documents case is worse.
     
    The documents in a secured room case is a no brainer win for Trump. Then VP Biden's garage documents case is much worse.

    President Trump declassified the documents while in office as part of retaining them. It is amazing that the case has not been tossed. The judge in Florida keeps pushing back the timing knowing that the entire thing is going nowhere.

    The prosecution created an insurmountable problem for themselves, by preventing a Special Master from examining the documents and their classification status. How will they "prove beyond a reasonable doubt" that the documents are classified? Any expert they put on the stand would have to publicly discuss the contents of the documents in open court to prove the documents are actually classified. This is why Special Masters are needed. As they are directed by the court, they are not prosecution witnesses.

    You seem unfamiliar with the U.S. legal system. As you are clearly not American, where are you from?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    How is this difference eluding you?

    I said to quote exactly what I said was wrong and you didn’t do it.

    What is your overall point? Are you saying a Democrat can’t enter the primary and beat the incumbent? Do explain given that it has happened in the past.

    If your answer is “cause money” then have a look at Bernie Sanders. He entered the 2020 race with $300k in assets and beat out multi-millionaires.
    https://money.com/bernie-sanders-2020-net-worth/

    The MSM does not pick the candidate. The MSM does not decide the outcome.

    That was proven in the last election. The MSM favored Kamala and Warren. They both dropped and then it eventually became a 2 man race. I can even dig up an MSM article where a journalist explicitly states that the final candidate cannot be a White man. Well how did that work out? Journalists on the coasts do not get the final vote.

    the take home documents case is worse.

    The documents in a secured room case is a no brainer win for Trump.

    You are the most deluded MAGA voter on Unz. Even Truth Vigilante has backed off.

    You call this secure?

    The MSM is not the main enemy of Trump.

    Trump is the main enemy of Trump.

    WAAAAR 😈

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson

    I said to quote exactly what I said was wrong and you didn’t do it.


    What is your overall point? Are you saying a Democrat can’t enter the primary and beat the incumbent? Do explain given that it has happened in the past.
     
    Just how profoundly stupid are you?

    • During the 2020 DNC primary, Obama was term limited out.
    • During the 2024 DNC primary, the Veggie-in-Chief is *NOT* term limited out.

    Do you not grasp the difference between running for an open seat versus an incumbent?

    Let us revisit my actual position: (1)


    We are already well past the point where a cold start campaign would be excluded from the opportunity to run in certainly states. Give it another 30-45 days, and it becomes mathematically impossible to acquire enough delegates. It is simply too late to use the “open primary” mechanic to displace Not-The-President Biden.
     
    You have yet to meet your burden of proof.

    What exactly did I say is incorrect? Please quote me.
    ___

    Everyone noticed that you are coward and ducked the issue of VP Biden.

     
    https://grrrgraphics.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/joe_biden_car-hunter-garage-gate.jpg
     

    Please feel free to cower in fear again so we can all laugh at you.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-234/#comment-6261587

    Replies: @John Johnson

  694. @LatW
    @LatW

    A movie was made starring Goebbels' Czech mistress Lida Baarova, called The Prussian Love Story (Preußische Liebesgeschichte). It was banned in Nazi Germany because the affair became politically inconvenient. The movie is about a love affair between a Prussian King and a Polish princess. Couldn't find the full movie, but it looks like this is a fragment from it (really cool scene where he walks out the gate in the rain, while she's pining for him):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWJ_qwjqRxw

    Eurolove. :)

    Replies: @Beckow, @songbird

    Not to get into the weeds, but if Germany had won, I suspect it might have had an interesting effect on film music.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @songbird


    Not to get into the weeds, but if Germany had won, I suspect it might have had an interesting effect on film music.
     
    I like the German feel (and sound) very much, but Slavic and Italian would be better from the purely musical point of view - more melodious, "sweeter" sounding, so all three of those should be kept around.

    Replies: @songbird

  695. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    The first thing Japan did after capturing Singapore in 1942 was to round-up the local bolshevik government and reopen capitalist street shacks that the bloody commies shut down.
     
    Eh, what? Commie government in a British crown colony? Who knew...
    No idea what you could even be thinking of. Shanghai and other Chinese cities on the coast weren't run by commies either when the Japanese invaded.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    …Who knew…

    He knew…the Bromance guy shared with us the little known fact that Japan fought WW2 as an anti-communist war, presumably against Russia. So the Singapore commie thing must be true.

    Those sneaky Brits, and they never told us.

  696. Great news out of Israel!

    https://www.jta.org/2023/11/14/israel/israeli-supreme-court-rules-that-israels-law-of-return-extends-to-widows-of-children-and-grandchildren-of-jews

    The Israeli Supreme Court has, in a 4-3 ruling, ruled that Israel’s Law of Return also applies to the widows and widowers of children and grandchildren of halakhic Jews, not only to the widows and widowers of halakhic Jews themselves.

    So, if I will ever get married and eventually pass away before my wife, my wife would be able to move to Israel without me because she will be widow of the grandchild of a halakhic Jew, even if she would not have acquired Israeli citizenship during my own lifetime (I myself am already an Israeli citizen due to me being born there).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    Of course, stupid right-wing Israeli Jews are already screaming and howling about this ruling. Morons!

    If the widow or widower of a person with a single Jewish maternal grandmother and three other gentile grandparents has a right to immigrate to Israel, then it makes perfect sense to also extend this right to the widow or widower of a person with any other single Jewish grandparent and three other gentile grandparents. Egalitarianism matters, after all!

    Replies: @Greasy William

  697. @songbird
    @LatW

    Not to get into the weeds, but if Germany had won, I suspect it might have had an interesting effect on film music.

    Replies: @LatW

    Not to get into the weeds, but if Germany had won, I suspect it might have had an interesting effect on film music.

    I like the German feel (and sound) very much, but Slavic and Italian would be better from the purely musical point of view – more melodious, “sweeter” sounding, so all three of those should be kept around.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LatW

    I recall that the H-man made some speech were he touted the hundreds of subsidized orchestras in Germany and made some unfavorable comparison to America (though, in truth, I think America has a lot of orchestras and probably had more than it does today, back then.)

    When I heard it, I thought it was a bit silly. Probably a waste of money, when you consider the advent of new technologies like radio and records that can allow more people to hear fewer performers.

    But I wasn't really thinking about the composition end of it. Having such a system would probably result in more composers, which would have an impact on mass media, like film. And perhaps, even on pop music.
    ____
    Haley is against online anonymity, even though she doesn't use her real name in politics.

    I don't support this position, though I do think it would be a major improvement if public officials had to adopt ethnic identifiers.

  698. @S
    @songbird

    I think it was Reagan that gave a UN speech where he opined that if only there was the threat of an alien invasion, the whole world could be united against the threat...almost as though he wanted that to happen.

    Then in 1963 there was an Outer Limits TV episode where some 'progressive' scientists altered the DNA of one of their number so that he would appear to be an alien. He crash landed his 'UFO' ship in upstate New York, but before he could make his way to the UN to give his ultimatum ('peace or else') speech, he was gunned down by some rural hunters.

    The girlfriend of the dead guy then gives a righteous speech to the moron scientists that it was their hare brained scheme that got her likely future hubby killed. The episode narrator then concludes that you can't trick people into peace, they've got to want it for it to be real and stick.

    Replies: @songbird

    I was thinking recently that it would be funny if someone did an un-PC twist on the theme of aliens sending a warning to Earth

    [MORE]
    to stop something or other. Like how in the original Day the Earth Stood Still it was about nuclear weapons, and in the remake something like Global Warming.

    Artemis, which seems to have the objective of sending a black lesbian to the moon, seems like it would be a natural fit.

    “You have sent Letisha to the Moon. I am here to warn you that you must send her no further, or face our wrath.”

    • LOL: S
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    You can make the AI Anime yourself. You couldn't put it on youtube but I am sure Rumble would make it available to the Nations. : )

    Replies: @songbird

  699. @AP
    @Beckow


    My point that you abbreviated was that Ukraine was in better position to get a good deal before they started to lose the war – the best time was before the war.
     
    Before the war Russia demanded regime change (it claimed the Ukrainian government was full of Nazis and demanded deNazification), demilitarisation, and for Russia to decide Ukrainian internal policies (regarding education, etc.). Regime change according to Russia’s liking meant Belarusianization. Which would have meant flipping from EU to Eurasian Customs Union. Ukraine would have been intact, sure, but it would have been about as independent as the Warsaw Pact countries were during the Cold War.

    Ukrainians were willing to fight to prevent that from happening.

    Is Kiev winning now?

     

    Relative to Russia’s goals and relative to the early part of the war, yes.

    But it of course has not won. And it (as is Russia) is worse off than it had been in 2021. So in that sense both countries are losing.

    This is not like Iraq or Vietnam – it is a traditional war between regular armies. You are hoping that guerilla warfare would happen if Kiev loses more territory
     
    I did not mention guerrilla warfare.

    Yes, it’s a conventional war between regular armies. One like this hasn’t happened for 80 years in Europe. In modern times such wars have involved unmatched opponents and therefore have been quick and fairly bloodless for the victor - USA defeated the Iraqi army and occupied the entire country in 5 weeks.

    This is the first time there is such a war that is lasting for almost two years (and almost certainly will go beyond 2 years). Recently, only guerrilla wars have lasted this long.

    Countries can collapse or withdraw eventually in such wars, though because there haven’t been such wars recently we have to go back in time to find examples. Russia did it in 1917 (it was actually gaining ground when it’s soldiers just refused to fight), Germany gave up in 1918 despite still controlling a lot of territory beyond German lands. Japan didn’t capture more than peripheral places like Sakhalin before Russia gave up, after losing 55,000 dead. At some point people will collectively decide that it isn’t worth it.

    Ukrainians are fighting for their homes, so they will last longer than guys from Siberia sent to get their guts blown out in some Kherson field.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    …Before the war Russia demanded regime change…

    If Kiev loses the war there will be a change in government. All the things you list are either unsupported projections or things any decent government should do anyway, like give minority schools to Russians. But you prefer the Baltic way, see where it got you?

    On the nature of the war, you and I agree. But based on the overall forces and the fact that it is also a ‘domestic’ war for Russia – they see it that way – the odds are very high that if one side wins it will be Russia. I used to think it is 80-20 in Russia’s favor, I would up that after the failed Kiev offensive to 85-15. What do you think? (And don’t do 50-50, that simply says “I don’t know’).

    …Ukrainians are fighting for their homes, so they will last longer

    What if they don’t? You have nothing but your wishful thinking to back that up…

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    If Kiev loses the war there will be a change in government.
     
    Unless Russia occupies the country (the original goal), it won't be a pro-Russian government.

    All the things you list are either unsupported projections
     
    What do you think full deNazification means, in the context when the Russian government called the Ukrainian government as being full of Nazis?

    or things any decent government should do anyway, like give minority schools to Russians
     
    Neither the largest and most populous Western Democracy, the USA, nor the second largest and most populous country in Europe, France, has these.

    But you prefer the Baltic way
     
    The French way, though Ukraine was milder than the French because the Ukrainians allowed primary schools in minority languages.

    On the nature of the war, you and I agree. But based on the overall forces and the fact that it is also a ‘domestic’ war for Russia – they see it that way
     
    Russians see Crimea as domestic but they don't see Kherson or even Donbas as domestic. They could care less about those places.

    But based on the overall forces and the fact that it is also a ‘domestic’ war for Russia – they see it that way – the odds are very high that if one side wins it will be Russia. I used to think it is 80-20 in Russia’s favor, I would up that after the failed Kiev offensive to 85-15. What do you think? (And don’t do 50-50, that simply says “I don’t know’).
     
    50/50 as I describe it doesn't mean "I don't know."

    I am rather certain that Ukraine will be unable to take Donetsk and urban Donbas, and that Russia will be unable to take Odessa, or the eastern half of the country, or to capture Kiev.

    But I do not know whether or not Ukraine will be able to break the current territorial stalemate and liberate the Crimean corridor, or even to take Crimea itself if it manages to liberate the corridor.

    As for "winning", it depends on different factors and each side will redefine "win" to suit its propaganda purposes. Russia set out to implement regime change in Ukraine, demilitarize it, purge it of Ukrainian nationalism, and bring Ukraine to a Belarus-like state, but having failed to do that, if it manages to keep the parts of Kherson and Zaporizhia oblasts that connect Crimea to Russia it will proclaim that it has won.

    I think:

    A stalemate at the current line could be a Ukrainian win, depending on other conditions - Ukraine gets fast-tracked into EU, keeps its massive military (and/or gets under the NATO umbrella), keeps the $300 billion in frozen Russian assets to rebuild, runs its schools etc. as it likes, and in exchange Russia keeps the lands it has taken and loses the sanctions. In this case, neither side would get what it wanted but each side would get something but on balance Ukraine gets more than it loses, so a slight win for Ukraine, though interpreting this as a draw would not be unreasonable.

    A deal like above, but Russia only keeps the 2014-2022 territory (or even loses some of it) and gets them formally recognized would be a clear Ukrainian win.

    Russia significantly taking more lands than it has now (a few towns doesn't count - but if takes Odessa or Kharkiv regions) and/or the conditions not applying (no money for rebuilding what Russia wrecked, no EU prospects, Russia restricting Ukraine somehow) would make it a Russian win.

    Russia defeating the Ukrainian military and forcing it to retreat to the Carpathians and occupying Kiev and installing a puppet regime - the original plan - would be a clear Russian win.

    I don't think the odds of anything have changed much from summer, because Ukraine has not used up most of the forces it had accumulated and because Russia is being attrited at a higher rate than Ukraine is now. I had earlier predicted 50/50 chance of stalemate versus liberation of the Crimean corridor. It is probably about the same now, maybe stalemate is a bit higher than 50% - maybe 55.45.

    If Ukraine takes the Crimea corridor, this unlocks a ~50% chance of taking Crimea too.

    So:

    55% chance of stalemate at current lines, give or take a dozen towns and villages
    25% chance Ukraine retakes Crimean corridor only
    20% chance Ukraine takes both Crimean corridor and large parts of Crimea, perhaps all of it

    To be pedantic - I would add - 1% chance of Russia grabbing a lot more territory (such as reaching Odessa, or taking the eastern half of the country), .5% chance of Ukraine retaking all of its lands or Russia withdrawing all the way back to its 1991 borders (maybe due to a revolution or something).

    Ukrainians are fighting for their homes, so they will last longer

    What if they don’t? You have nothing but your wishful thinking to back that up
     
    I have a record of predicting what Ukrainians would do, you have a record of predicting the opposite.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

  700. Sher Singh says:
    @LatW
    @Sher Singh

    In a traditional set up her father or brothers or male cousins (or even grown sons) would have dealt with her violent husband a long time ago.

    The chieftain would be someone who has proven himself above others and with a large extended family of his own, most likely with fully grown male offspring. It would be a very serious person who has no time for trivial matters or empty entertainment.

    A single middle-age or older philosopher type might become a priest (but even there the competition may have been tough).

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    The Chieftain as a title is not a seperate entity from the men who make up the village.
    That title must have co-ercive power/sovereignity over the populace.

    Rather than, bureaucrats or liberal nitwits.

    https://darwinianconservatism.blogspot.com/2014/01/hobbess-liberal-leviathan-and-rule-of.html

    In many countries around the world today–such as Libya, Somalia, Iraq, and Afghanistan–the weakening or failure of central state power has promoted not individual liberty but the rule of clans that deny individual autonomy. When there is no powerful central government to enforce law and order and provide public goods, people will not live as free individuals; rather they will revert back to an ancient tribal form of social order in which people are treated not as individuals but as members of their extended kinship groups. There are good Darwinian reasons for this, having to do with the evolved instincts for kinship, nepotism, and tribalism based on extended real or fictive kinship.

    The moral codes of these clan societies will enforce group honor and suppress individual liberty. For example, clan societies will enforce the blood feuds, the honor killings, and the attacks on infidels that liberals abhor. The social order of liberal individualism will not prevail unless there is a powerful liberal state that will deny the customary legal systems of clan groups and protect the autonomy of individuals from coercion by clans.

    The types Silvio describes need closer management which a bureaucrat can’t provide.
    A bureaucrat can regulate.

    A regulation is like a sub-contract telling police or others to handle a problem.
    However, the problem still needs solving & the closer one is the more likely the victims listen.

    The one tasked to solve something & the one tasking the solving are disconnected.
    Therein, lies the root of both modernity’s greatest strengths and weaknesses.

    Both its vast scale, and ability to channel resources & a complete disregard for local conditions.


    Liberal society can only provide substitutes – whether processed food, replica knives or voluntary ‘clans’

    Even if there is a natural yearning for clan solidarity, a liberal society can satisfy that yearning by channeling it into the natural and voluntary associations of a pluralist society. Weiner recognizes that in his account of how Walter Scott used his romantic historical novel–Waverley (1814)–to imaginatively recreate the life of Scotland’s Highland clans in a way that was compatible with liberal society (188-95). A liberal legal order in Scotland must deny the coercive legal authority of Scottish clans, but that liberal legal order could allow people to celebrate their clan identity as something to be celebrated in memory. Scottish clan identity could become a voluntary commitment in a free society of individuals, in which Scottish clan life became a cultural activity in liberal society without the coercive harshness of the originally illiberal clan society.

    https://doomeroptimism.substack.com/p/lessons-for-localists-the-great-indian

    It is important to note here that participation in the protest was not, for many people, entirely voluntary. Village panchayats are an ancient form of local government in villages across India, and in several farming villages panchayats made demands that each family send at least one individual to attend the protest, or make a donation towards the protest if they are unable to do so. Failure to comply with the edict would mean a social boycott. Any localist movement must be accepting of this kind of localized coercion, regardless of how offensive it may seem to liberal sensibilities. If the town or village is to act in self-preservation, it must be able to exact a penalty from those who abstain from their responsibilities. Note that in most of the world, this power to coerce is already granted, but exclusively to the state. This is, as author Patrick Deneen describes, a result of liberalism, and not representative of the natural development of human society:

    Under liberalism, human beings increasingly live in a condition of autonomy such as that first imagined by theorists of the state of nature, except that the anarchy that threatens to develop from that purportedly natural condition is controlled and suppressed through the imposition of laws and the corresponding growth of the state. With man liberated from constitutive communities (leaving only loose connections) and nature harnessed and controlled, the constructed sphere of autonomous liberty expands seemingly without limit.

    Patrick Deneen, Unsustainable Liberalism, First Things Magazine 2012

    That is, the endless expansion of individual autonomy is conditioned on the endless growth of the state. Heaven is necessarily ordered, as Berry says, but “hell hath no limit”. The Rothbardian or Misesian view of human society as consisting of free associating individuals with no pre-existing social or cultural ties is as much an imaginative fantasy as the Stalinist view of the benevolent dictatorship of the proletariat. In fact, the two poles merely work to strengthen each other in the long run, by eroding the local institutions that act as a check on top-down power. Patrick Deneen explains this as follows:

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Sher Singh


    The Chieftain as a title is not a seperate entity from the men who make up the village.
     
    There is a male hierarchy that is run by reciprocity (exchange of goods to secure power), the man at the top, the big man, is the one who regulates and balances this. That's how the status of the big man was determined in very primitive societies - through this balancing, through charisma and wit, and not by inheritance.

    In Maori tribes, these big men already had something resembling properties (bigger plots). Some can even use tribal religion to organize the life of the tribe.

    There can also be elders that form a council. There could be a chief who was also a visionary.

    The types Silvio describes need closer management which a bureaucrat can’t provide.
    A bureaucrat can regulate.
     

    In more advanced chieftain-led societies this would not be micromanaged by the Chieftain but at a lower level. This is something that the immediate family could've regulated, including vetting the prospective husband much closer.

    Only if it got more complex, would it be brought before someone such as the goðar in Iceland (even though those were originally religious leaders, but they sometimes operated in a secular context as well by solving disputes). They determined the distribution of wealth, and there was a hierarchy among the goðar, too.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    , @Philip Owen
    @Sher Singh

    This is an interesting discussion.

    The British in North America considered the Native Americans as owners of their own land. However, settler practice and Native American practice in land sales led to confusion over ownership. So, one part of the Proclamation Act that limited colonial expansion across the Appalachians was that only the British government's could buy land from Native Americans and only the full tribal council owned the title to be able to sell it. This was a material factor in the American Revolution.

    In other parts of the world, where there were already legal systems to manage land title the British worked with the local system. However not everywhere was so organised. In Australia the British just declared the land empty. However in other places the British imposed the model that they had used in North America. So societies, not even always tribal, ended up with a tribal council and a chief. Previously in, say, New Guinea, there would just have been the best man fitted for the job at that moment without any formal cultural of chieftainship previously existing.

    In some cases the idea of a tribal council seems to have replaced the most brutal warrior ruling over his slaves. It's been hard to document.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  701. @Mr. XYZ
    Great news out of Israel!

    https://www.jta.org/2023/11/14/israel/israeli-supreme-court-rules-that-israels-law-of-return-extends-to-widows-of-children-and-grandchildren-of-jews

    The Israeli Supreme Court has, in a 4-3 ruling, ruled that Israel's Law of Return also applies to the widows and widowers of children and grandchildren of halakhic Jews, not only to the widows and widowers of halakhic Jews themselves.

    So, if I will ever get married and eventually pass away before my wife, my wife would be able to move to Israel without me because she will be widow of the grandchild of a halakhic Jew, even if she would not have acquired Israeli citizenship during my own lifetime (I myself am already an Israeli citizen due to me being born there).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Of course, stupid right-wing Israeli Jews are already screaming and howling about this ruling. Morons!

    If the widow or widower of a person with a single Jewish maternal grandmother and three other gentile grandparents has a right to immigrate to Israel, then it makes perfect sense to also extend this right to the widow or widower of a person with any other single Jewish grandparent and three other gentile grandparents. Egalitarianism matters, after all!

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Mr. XYZ

    On one hand, "no". But otoh, the Redemption is coming soon so we want to gather in as many of the sparks as we can. Especially since I don't think those of us in the diaspora are going to fare any better than our goyish hosts will.

    I'm still not going to make aliyah, though. I've had a pretty good run

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  702. @Beckow
    @LatW

    Oh, she was playing him like a fiddle...they can be dangerous if one is a fool. And most Nazis were fools. I am not sure the concept of love comes into it...but it was kind of euro: elegant and trashy at the same time...:)

    By the way, during WW2 the Czech film studios in Barrandov next to Prague were quite something: in the occupied country they offered both culture and R&R to Germans, busily produced the required propaganda, and were the premier party location in Central Europe for a good time.

    The Barrandov studios were run for the Nazis by Mr. Havel, uncle of Vaclav Havel. Little Vaclav also had a good time there. After WW2 the Havels were charged with collaboration and lost their very substantial properties - a lot of it gotten from grateful Nazis during WW2. But connections are everything in Prague and young Havel was able to eventually get a job in the theatre and then was mindlessly promoted as "dissident". Quite a story, but he was too drunk most of the time to write it. Instead he penned his retarded absurdist plays.

    Havel family's Nazi collaboration history was not well known in the West. Or was it, and it was a plus? I am not sure anymore...

    Replies: @LatW

    Oh, she was playing him like a fiddle…they can be dangerous if one is a fool. And most Nazis were fools. I am not sure the concept of love comes into it…but it was kind of euro: elegant and trashy at the same time…:)

    Well, it looks like it was more serious than simply a fling. Of course, he approached her first (he was immediately infatuated with her). And, of course, she derived benefits from it for her performances (media connections). But I think he may have made her get used to this (and his care) and then when Germany was going to annex Sudetenland, and when Magda started objecting, he had to let her go. Then everything went downhill for her (but at least it wasn’t as bad as for the women that Beria used to date rape). So the Nazis did take advantage of her.

    Although I must say that the Führer interfering, with a stern and fatherly hand, is somewhat admirable – that he was able to protect and defend Magda (and her children) as well as handle this kind of a thing (when he isn’t even supposed to be dealing with this kind of stuff), in such a careful, yet determined way, speaks well for his character. Had never noticed that side of him before. He must’ve had good social skills.

    By the way, during WW2 the Czech film studios in Barrandov next to Prague were quite something: in the occupied country they offered both culture and R&R to Germans, busily produced the required propaganda, and were the premier party location in Central Europe for a good time.

    Yes, I see that those traditions run deep. 🙂 But it is kind of cool in a way, at least the studios were busy and developed.

    Quite a story, but he was too drunk most of the time to write it. Instead he penned his retarded absurdist plays.

    LOL. Yes, that’s quite a story. But I don’t think you should judge him too harshly for what his uncle was doing. These kind of nepotistic familial things happen everywhere. Probably happened even in the Nordic countries back in the day. It’s human nature – you always want best for the kids.

    Havel family’s Nazi collaboration history was not well known in the West. Or was it, and it was a plus? I am not sure anymore…

    Do not get all “conspiratorial” now – I think we have enough of those here. 🙂

    Btw, I liked Karlovi Vary very much when I was there. Especially the warm open air pool during winter. Nice contrast.

    • Replies: @AP
    @LatW

    Ironically, when Beckow's entire country of Slovakia acted like Goebbels' Czech lover he was quite proud of it.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Beckow
    @LatW

    Führer was a puritan, that was a big part of his problem. I am not sure that is so admirable.


    So the Nazis did take advantage of her.
     
    It was mutual...plus they had those shiny uniforms, how could she resist?

    you should judge him too harshly for what his uncle was doing.
     
    I don't judge him, it was before my time anyway. But Havel's plays are unwatchable and the one movie he made is literally the worst movie ever made - even his admirers admit it. Havel benefitted tremendously from his Nazi-collaborator family's wealth and connections. Under the commies his family still kept a huge Prague center apartment that came very handy: he could hold artistic parties. He never went to university and not because of restrictions, he was simply too stupid and spaced-out so he started as a theatre stage hand. His brother was a Charles's Univ. professor and there were no restrictions on them studying, Vaclav was just lazy.

    We are still amused by how he acquired his status in the West. But looking at Zelko, the Westerners are not too squishy about who they promote. As long as they serve.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

  703. @John Johnson
    @A123

    How is this difference eluding you?

    I said to quote exactly what I said was wrong and you didn't do it.

    What is your overall point? Are you saying a Democrat can't enter the primary and beat the incumbent? Do explain given that it has happened in the past.

    If your answer is "cause money" then have a look at Bernie Sanders. He entered the 2020 race with $300k in assets and beat out multi-millionaires.
    https://money.com/bernie-sanders-2020-net-worth/

    The MSM does not pick the candidate. The MSM does not decide the outcome.

    That was proven in the last election. The MSM favored Kamala and Warren. They both dropped and then it eventually became a 2 man race. I can even dig up an MSM article where a journalist explicitly states that the final candidate cannot be a White man. Well how did that work out? Journalists on the coasts do not get the final vote.


    the take home documents case is worse.
     
    The documents in a secured room case is a no brainer win for Trump.

    You are the most deluded MAGA voter on Unz. Even Truth Vigilante has backed off.

    You call this secure?

    https://images.axios.com/9HepTmPSMv2JW9mvFYfOeHG1oqY=/2023/06/09/1686341631881.jpg

    The MSM is not the main enemy of Trump.

    Trump is the main enemy of Trump.

    WAAAAR 😈

    Replies: @A123

    I said to quote exactly what I said was wrong and you didn’t do it.

    What is your overall point? Are you saying a Democrat can’t enter the primary and beat the incumbent? Do explain given that it has happened in the past.

    Just how profoundly stupid are you?

    • During the 2020 DNC primary, Obama was term limited out.
    • During the 2024 DNC primary, the Veggie-in-Chief is *NOT* term limited out.

    Do you not grasp the difference between running for an open seat versus an incumbent?

    Let us revisit my actual position: (1)

    We are already well past the point where a cold start campaign would be excluded from the opportunity to run in certainly states. Give it another 30-45 days, and it becomes mathematically impossible to acquire enough delegates. It is simply too late to use the “open primary” mechanic to displace Not-The-President Biden.

    You have yet to meet your burden of proof.

    What exactly did I say is incorrect? Please quote me.
    ___

    Everyone noticed that you are coward and ducked the issue of VP Biden.

      

    Please feel free to cower in fear again so we can all laugh at you.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-234/#comment-6261587

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    Do you not grasp the difference between running for an open seat versus an incumbent?

    You have gone off the rails.

    This is not that complicated. You are making up stuff in your head and then lashing out when I point out that it isn't true.

    We are already well past the point where a cold start campaign would be excluded from the opportunity to run in certainly states. Give it another 30-45 days, and it becomes mathematically impossible to acquire enough delegates.

    Biden has a Democrat primary challenger
    https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2023-10-27/biden-sees-new-primary-challenge-as-support-among-democrats-slips

    You don't know if Biden will run and you don't know if he will win the primary.

    Both the GOP and DNC are currently in a bind. The election depends in part on what happens with Trump and his felony cases. Trump could be barred from office. That presents a completely different scenario. It isn't as simple as Trump catching a felony and then going against Biden.

    Everyone noticed that you are coward and ducked the issue of VP Biden.

    How is it relevant? Do you just assume that everyone has partisan brain like yourself?

    I'm for locking up anyone that takes home classified documents. They say CLASSIFIED FUCKING DOCUMENTS on them. Not that hard. I don't care who does it and I don't support special exemptions for politicians. Trump is the rich kid that can't resist stealing even when he has everything. It's the silver spoon mentality. He is insulted that he has to follow the rules just like "little people".

    I'm on record stating that both the "big guy" and his son should be locked up for corruption. You and others here keep making the same false assumption that anyone who doesn't wear a MAGA hat and giant novelty finger must be on the side of Biden. I voted for Trump .... twice. That doesn't mean I have to scream WOOO and defend his criminal activities. Taking home classified documents is a crime. He had them in a bathroom and was showing them off to his friends. Do you have an excuse for that? All he had to do was give them back. You should be frustrated with Trump and not his critics. I've known people that worked with classified Federal documents and they would never dare take them home and stuff them in a fucking bathroom. Hilarious how you call me stupid when your cheeto god is on tape asking someone to help cover up the evidence. All he had to do was give the damn documents back when the Feds asked for them. The Fraud U case is nothing compared to the documents. You clearly haven't read about the case if you think he had them in a secure location.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

  704. @Beckow
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    ...Japan’s main war aim was anti-Soviet communism.
     
    Sure, that's why they attacked Philippines, Indonesia, China - all communist, right? And Singapore, another commie hotbed.

    Are you really this stupid or do you believe the nonsense you write.

    Japan’s main mission was rescue the Czechoslovak Legion, whose opponent was the German Empire.
     
    Japan couldn't find Czechoslovakia on the map if you killed them. And by 1918 the Legion couldn't find the German Empire since it ceased to exist.

    Are you really this stupid or do you believe the nonsense you write?

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    The American-registered Heffron, which departed from Vladivostok on August 15, 1919 (Taisho 8) as the third ship to return, ran aground off the coast of Shimonoseki while trying to avoid the typhoon. Although she escaped sinking, the ship was towed to the Kawasaki Shipyard Dog in Kobe for repairs, and the corps officers and men on board were transferred to Kobe by train in September of the same year, and the ship’s repairs were completed at the end of October of the same year. I stayed in Kobe until then. During those two months, the corps officers and soldiers have been engaged in cultural and sports exchanges with the citizens of Kobe.


    http://www.a-saida.jp/images/cheko.htm

    Czechoslovak Legion cemetery in Fuchu City, Tokyo

    https://czechrepublic.jp/study-in-czech/czechoslovakia-legia-in-japan/

    ”Těm, kteří nedostali do osvobozené vlasti”

    “To those who did not get to the liberated homeland”

    ‘Rescue of the Czechoslovak Legion’ held up as the cause of Japan’s ‘Siberian campaign’.
    Japan provided arms support and rescued wounded soldiers.
    What is our relationship with ‘Czechoslovakia’?
    The unknown history of exchange between the two countries.

    Introduction Two years when the two countries were closest
    Chapter 1: T. G. Masaryk’s visit to Japan (April 1918)
    Chapter 2 Encounter at Olovyannaya Station – The ‘honeymoon’ between the Czechoslovak Legion and the Japanese Army and afterwards.
    Chapter 3 Medical exchanges – wounded soldiers of the corps in Tokyo and Japanese nurses in Vladivostok
    Chapter 4 One of Japan’s first Czech language learners – Aitaro Yamanoi
    Chapter 5 The culmination of the “beautiful story of exchange” – the Heffron incident
    Chapter 6 The Hyrule Incident (Part 1) – Is it ‘in the bush’?
    Chapter 7 The Hyrule Incident (Part 2) – The armoured train Orlik and the Tripartite Clarification Committee
    End Chapter On the Legion soldiers buried in the Catholic Fuchu Cemetery

  705. @songbird
    @S

    I was thinking recently that it would be funny if someone did an un-PC twist on the theme of aliens sending a warning to Earth to stop something or other. Like how in the original Day the Earth Stood Still it was about nuclear weapons, and in the remake something like Global Warming.

    Artemis, which seems to have the objective of sending a black lesbian to the moon, seems like it would be a natural fit.

    "You have sent Letisha to the Moon. I am here to warn you that you must send her no further, or face our wrath."

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    You can make the AI Anime yourself. You couldn’t put it on youtube but I am sure Rumble would make it available to the Nations. : )

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Have often wished there was some organization that solicited politically incorrect ideas, for the purposes satire.
    _____
    Don't know to what extent Xi is being strong-arm chaperoned in San Fran, but if he has his own driver and security team, it would be really funny if if they ditched the itinerary and raced off to stage an incident where Xi steps in human excrement and made a big thing of it in Chinese media.

    Would be much better than that time Bush puked on the Japanese PM:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush_vomiting_incident

    Replies: @S

  706. @A123
    @John Johnson

    I said to quote exactly what I said was wrong and you didn’t do it.


    What is your overall point? Are you saying a Democrat can’t enter the primary and beat the incumbent? Do explain given that it has happened in the past.
     
    Just how profoundly stupid are you?

    • During the 2020 DNC primary, Obama was term limited out.
    • During the 2024 DNC primary, the Veggie-in-Chief is *NOT* term limited out.

    Do you not grasp the difference between running for an open seat versus an incumbent?

    Let us revisit my actual position: (1)


    We are already well past the point where a cold start campaign would be excluded from the opportunity to run in certainly states. Give it another 30-45 days, and it becomes mathematically impossible to acquire enough delegates. It is simply too late to use the “open primary” mechanic to displace Not-The-President Biden.
     
    You have yet to meet your burden of proof.

    What exactly did I say is incorrect? Please quote me.
    ___

    Everyone noticed that you are coward and ducked the issue of VP Biden.

     
    https://grrrgraphics.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/joe_biden_car-hunter-garage-gate.jpg
     

    Please feel free to cower in fear again so we can all laugh at you.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-234/#comment-6261587

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Do you not grasp the difference between running for an open seat versus an incumbent?

    You have gone off the rails.

    This is not that complicated. You are making up stuff in your head and then lashing out when I point out that it isn’t true.

    We are already well past the point where a cold start campaign would be excluded from the opportunity to run in certainly states. Give it another 30-45 days, and it becomes mathematically impossible to acquire enough delegates.

    Biden has a Democrat primary challenger
    https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2023-10-27/biden-sees-new-primary-challenge-as-support-among-democrats-slips

    You don’t know if Biden will run and you don’t know if he will win the primary.

    Both the GOP and DNC are currently in a bind. The election depends in part on what happens with Trump and his felony cases. Trump could be barred from office. That presents a completely different scenario. It isn’t as simple as Trump catching a felony and then going against Biden.

    Everyone noticed that you are coward and ducked the issue of VP Biden.

    How is it relevant? Do you just assume that everyone has partisan brain like yourself?

    I’m for locking up anyone that takes home classified documents. They say CLASSIFIED FUCKING DOCUMENTS on them. Not that hard. I don’t care who does it and I don’t support special exemptions for politicians. Trump is the rich kid that can’t resist stealing even when he has everything. It’s the silver spoon mentality. He is insulted that he has to follow the rules just like “little people”.

    I’m on record stating that both the “big guy” and his son should be locked up for corruption. You and others here keep making the same false assumption that anyone who doesn’t wear a MAGA hat and giant novelty finger must be on the side of Biden. I voted for Trump …. twice. That doesn’t mean I have to scream WOOO and defend his criminal activities. Taking home classified documents is a crime. He had them in a bathroom and was showing them off to his friends. Do you have an excuse for that? All he had to do was give them back. You should be frustrated with Trump and not his critics. I’ve known people that worked with classified Federal documents and they would never dare take them home and stuff them in a fucking bathroom. Hilarious how you call me stupid when your cheeto god is on tape asking someone to help cover up the evidence. All he had to do was give the damn documents back when the Feds asked for them. The Fraud U case is nothing compared to the documents. You clearly haven’t read about the case if you think he had them in a secure location.

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson

    Why are you going off the rails and lashing out at stuff that is not true? Everyone but you sees the defect.

     
    https://media1.tenor.com/images/f820b3b4450170a923641ef08b041f24/tenor.gif
     

    Your entire low-IQ yahoo position is 100% dependant on Not-The-President Biden voluntarily stepping aside. There is not a single piece of evidence that the Veggie-in-Chief's puppet masters will allow that to happen.

    Why do you keep making stuff up?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @LatW
    @John Johnson


    The election depends in part on what happens with Trump and his felony cases. Trump could be barred from office. That presents a completely different scenario.
     
    If this happens, then could Haley move up (she might be slightly more charismatic than De Santis) and, if she secures enough donors and wins, could she beat the crap out of Russia? There is now a slightly higher possibility of this than ever before, right?

    Replies: @A123, @Mikhail, @John Johnson

  707. @John Johnson
    @A123

    Do you not grasp the difference between running for an open seat versus an incumbent?

    You have gone off the rails.

    This is not that complicated. You are making up stuff in your head and then lashing out when I point out that it isn't true.

    We are already well past the point where a cold start campaign would be excluded from the opportunity to run in certainly states. Give it another 30-45 days, and it becomes mathematically impossible to acquire enough delegates.

    Biden has a Democrat primary challenger
    https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2023-10-27/biden-sees-new-primary-challenge-as-support-among-democrats-slips

    You don't know if Biden will run and you don't know if he will win the primary.

    Both the GOP and DNC are currently in a bind. The election depends in part on what happens with Trump and his felony cases. Trump could be barred from office. That presents a completely different scenario. It isn't as simple as Trump catching a felony and then going against Biden.

    Everyone noticed that you are coward and ducked the issue of VP Biden.

    How is it relevant? Do you just assume that everyone has partisan brain like yourself?

    I'm for locking up anyone that takes home classified documents. They say CLASSIFIED FUCKING DOCUMENTS on them. Not that hard. I don't care who does it and I don't support special exemptions for politicians. Trump is the rich kid that can't resist stealing even when he has everything. It's the silver spoon mentality. He is insulted that he has to follow the rules just like "little people".

    I'm on record stating that both the "big guy" and his son should be locked up for corruption. You and others here keep making the same false assumption that anyone who doesn't wear a MAGA hat and giant novelty finger must be on the side of Biden. I voted for Trump .... twice. That doesn't mean I have to scream WOOO and defend his criminal activities. Taking home classified documents is a crime. He had them in a bathroom and was showing them off to his friends. Do you have an excuse for that? All he had to do was give them back. You should be frustrated with Trump and not his critics. I've known people that worked with classified Federal documents and they would never dare take them home and stuff them in a fucking bathroom. Hilarious how you call me stupid when your cheeto god is on tape asking someone to help cover up the evidence. All he had to do was give the damn documents back when the Feds asked for them. The Fraud U case is nothing compared to the documents. You clearly haven't read about the case if you think he had them in a secure location.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

    Why are you going off the rails and lashing out at stuff that is not true? Everyone but you sees the defect.

      

    Your entire low-IQ yahoo position is 100% dependant on Not-The-President Biden voluntarily stepping aside. There is not a single piece of evidence that the Veggie-in-Chief’s puppet masters will allow that to happen.

    Why do you keep making stuff up?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    Your entire low-IQ yahoo position is 100% dependant on Not-The-President Biden voluntarily stepping aside. There is not a single piece of evidence that the Veggie-in-Chief’s puppet masters will allow that to happen.

    That doesn't make any sense given that I maintain the final candidates are unknown and Trump will most likely catch a felony.

    This election has too many variables. Biden could fall and hit his head. He is 80 years old and has one of the most stressful jobs in America.

    The election is a complicated situation in part because there is a war going on.

    If it was a peacetime election then the press would be pushing for a new candidate.

    The Democrats are trying to maintain some type of unity. The polls suggest that running Biden is a bad idea and his numbers will only get worse unless the war ends and the economy bounces back. But who he would be running against is part of the equation and that is yet to be determined.

    Biden may even plan on dropping out. We really don't know. Politicians have done this before where they try to wait out a crisis or war before announcing that they don't plan on running. In the case of war they don't want the enemy to expect a change in policy with a new election.

    For the good of the country I think both Biden and Trump should drop out. Trump could in fact lead us into the worst case scenario where he loses against Biden and Harris eventually becomes president.

    Biden could also fall down some stairs next year and Trump could then easily lose to a moderate. He is still hated by independents. He only gained against independents against Biden in a scenario where they are forced to choose between the two. That is too risky. I would like Biden out more than I want Trump to be president. But Trump is of course an ego maniac and will risk a president Harris to run again. Hopefully Harris will leave but we really don't know. Too many unknown variables.

    Replies: @A123

  708. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    One cannot understand Japan’s relations with Soviet communism and the Soviet Union without considering Russian-Japanese relations in the long term.

    The Japanese reacted with relative indifference to the execution of Nicholas II and his family in summer 1918. The Japanese government and media dismissed the murder as simply another consequence of the ongoing revolution which they viewed favorably, Russia was to be mortally weakened, predicting the imminent arrival of German troops at Japan’s door via its new Russian colony. This changed only when radical winds began to drift into Korea and China and therefore became a direct threat to Japan's aggressive and expansionist ambitions in Asia.

    As White Russia was disintegrating in 1917, the Japanese Army and Ministry of Foreign Affairs insisted on taking advantage of the chaos to expand Japan’s colonial control both formal and informal into Siberia and the Russian Far East.

    Imperial Japan only opportunistically embraced Anti-Bolshevism. She then provided the largest force among the foreign armies that invaded Russia after the 1917 October Revolution. Japan's role in the foreign intervention against the Russian during the Revolution was opportunistic empire-building for land and resources not sincere Anti-Bolshevism.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Good points.

    without considering Russian-Japanese relations in the long term.

    Let’s go back further. Li Hongzhang secretly signed off territorial privileges in Manchuria to Russia in 1896

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li–Lobanov_Treaty

    Then Russia annexed Manchuria and refused to vacate after the Eight Nations campaign. Nicholas refused Japan’s proposal for Korea-Manchuria exchange.

    When Russo-Japanese War broke out, Qing was officially neutral, but definitely wanted Japan to remove Russia from Manchuria.

    The Japanese did not know about Li–Lobanov Treaty. Yuan Shikai annuled it and secretly supported Japan against Russia.

    Are we in agreement?

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    Then Russia annexed Manchuria and refused to vacate
     
    The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.



    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8C%D1%87%D0%B6%D1%83%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F.jpg/927px-%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8C%D1%87%D0%B6%D1%83%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F.jpg





    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTnlGVEIbEURcjNdIvZmbYLjr7nPNFfFYQaHg&usqp.jpg

    Both amazing cities!

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/%D0%AE%D0%B6%D0%BD%D0%BE_%D0%A1%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B6.jpg

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  709. @John Johnson
    @A123

    Do you not grasp the difference between running for an open seat versus an incumbent?

    You have gone off the rails.

    This is not that complicated. You are making up stuff in your head and then lashing out when I point out that it isn't true.

    We are already well past the point where a cold start campaign would be excluded from the opportunity to run in certainly states. Give it another 30-45 days, and it becomes mathematically impossible to acquire enough delegates.

    Biden has a Democrat primary challenger
    https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2023-10-27/biden-sees-new-primary-challenge-as-support-among-democrats-slips

    You don't know if Biden will run and you don't know if he will win the primary.

    Both the GOP and DNC are currently in a bind. The election depends in part on what happens with Trump and his felony cases. Trump could be barred from office. That presents a completely different scenario. It isn't as simple as Trump catching a felony and then going against Biden.

    Everyone noticed that you are coward and ducked the issue of VP Biden.

    How is it relevant? Do you just assume that everyone has partisan brain like yourself?

    I'm for locking up anyone that takes home classified documents. They say CLASSIFIED FUCKING DOCUMENTS on them. Not that hard. I don't care who does it and I don't support special exemptions for politicians. Trump is the rich kid that can't resist stealing even when he has everything. It's the silver spoon mentality. He is insulted that he has to follow the rules just like "little people".

    I'm on record stating that both the "big guy" and his son should be locked up for corruption. You and others here keep making the same false assumption that anyone who doesn't wear a MAGA hat and giant novelty finger must be on the side of Biden. I voted for Trump .... twice. That doesn't mean I have to scream WOOO and defend his criminal activities. Taking home classified documents is a crime. He had them in a bathroom and was showing them off to his friends. Do you have an excuse for that? All he had to do was give them back. You should be frustrated with Trump and not his critics. I've known people that worked with classified Federal documents and they would never dare take them home and stuff them in a fucking bathroom. Hilarious how you call me stupid when your cheeto god is on tape asking someone to help cover up the evidence. All he had to do was give the damn documents back when the Feds asked for them. The Fraud U case is nothing compared to the documents. You clearly haven't read about the case if you think he had them in a secure location.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

    The election depends in part on what happens with Trump and his felony cases. Trump could be barred from office. That presents a completely different scenario.

    If this happens, then could Haley move up (she might be slightly more charismatic than De Santis) and, if she secures enough donors and wins, could she beat the crap out of Russia? There is now a slightly higher possibility of this than ever before, right?

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @A123
    @LatW

    What are the exact mechanics of "barring"?

    Can any state bar any candidate? Likely every state would bar the candidate of the other party?

    I like the idea... If the Electoral College fails, under the Constitution the first candidate to obtain 26 state delegations in the U.S. House wins. Deliberately breaking the EC guarantees a string of MAGA presidencies.

    Please... Do that thing... Do it now...

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mikhail
    @LatW


    If this happens, then could Haley move up (she might be slightly more charismatic than De Santis) and, if she secures enough donors and wins, could she beat the crap out of Russia? There is now a slightly higher possibility of this than ever before, right?
     
    For accuracy sake, her verbal diarrhea shouldn't be confused with reality.
    , @John Johnson
    @LatW


    The election depends in part on what happens with Trump and his felony cases. Trump could be barred from office. That presents a completely different scenario.
     
    If this happens, then could Haley move up (she might be slightly more charismatic than De Santis) and, if she secures enough donors and wins, could she beat the crap out of Russia?

    All the candidates would have an increased chance if Trump is barred from office.

    There is now a slightly higher possibility of this than ever before, right?

    Yes. The Trump U case isn't going well for Trump and this isn't the worst one.

    His odds of escaping all the charges were better a month ago. I think he lost his better lawyers.

    Right now the Democrats are benefiting from Haley and DeSantis go at each other.

    Haley is probably the better play. That doesn't mean I like her. I'd rather see another candidate.

    With DeSantis they can do some last minute mud slinging in minority areas. Out of context quotes and such. It works unfortunately and he has some pretty bad gaffes.
  710. @LatW
    @John Johnson


    The election depends in part on what happens with Trump and his felony cases. Trump could be barred from office. That presents a completely different scenario.
     
    If this happens, then could Haley move up (she might be slightly more charismatic than De Santis) and, if she secures enough donors and wins, could she beat the crap out of Russia? There is now a slightly higher possibility of this than ever before, right?

    Replies: @A123, @Mikhail, @John Johnson

    What are the exact mechanics of “barring”?

    Can any state bar any candidate? Likely every state would bar the candidate of the other party?

    I like the idea… If the Electoral College fails, under the Constitution the first candidate to obtain 26 state delegations in the U.S. House wins. Deliberately breaking the EC guarantees a string of MAGA presidencies.

    Please… Do that thing… Do it now…

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    What are the exact mechanics of “barring”?

    Can any state bar any candidate? Likely every state would bar the candidate of the other party?

    A judge can prevent you from taking part in a profession as part of a judgement.

    The situation is even worse in the documents case. The law says he cannot hold office if he is found guilty.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/08/09/trump-barred-office-records-probe/10276899002/

    Replies: @A123

  711. Scholz Says He’s Ready to Talk to Putin -Putin’s So Not Interested, NATO Clowns Propose That if They Absorb Kiev-Regime-controlled Parts of Ukraine into NATO That Russia Won’t Continue SMO, more…
    https://marksleboda.substack.com/p/scholz-says-hes-ready-to-talk-to?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2#details

  712. @LatW
    @John Johnson


    The election depends in part on what happens with Trump and his felony cases. Trump could be barred from office. That presents a completely different scenario.
     
    If this happens, then could Haley move up (she might be slightly more charismatic than De Santis) and, if she secures enough donors and wins, could she beat the crap out of Russia? There is now a slightly higher possibility of this than ever before, right?

    Replies: @A123, @Mikhail, @John Johnson

    If this happens, then could Haley move up (she might be slightly more charismatic than De Santis) and, if she secures enough donors and wins, could she beat the crap out of Russia? There is now a slightly higher possibility of this than ever before, right?

    For accuracy sake, her verbal diarrhea shouldn’t be confused with reality.

    • LOL: A123
  713. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...Before the war Russia demanded regime change...
     
    If Kiev loses the war there will be a change in government. All the things you list are either unsupported projections or things any decent government should do anyway, like give minority schools to Russians. But you prefer the Baltic way, see where it got you?

    On the nature of the war, you and I agree. But based on the overall forces and the fact that it is also a 'domestic' war for Russia - they see it that way - the odds are very high that if one side wins it will be Russia. I used to think it is 80-20 in Russia's favor, I would up that after the failed Kiev offensive to 85-15. What do you think? (And don't do 50-50, that simply says "I don't know').


    ...Ukrainians are fighting for their homes, so they will last longer
     
    What if they don't? You have nothing but your wishful thinking to back that up...

    Replies: @AP

    If Kiev loses the war there will be a change in government.

    Unless Russia occupies the country (the original goal), it won’t be a pro-Russian government.

    All the things you list are either unsupported projections

    What do you think full deNazification means, in the context when the Russian government called the Ukrainian government as being full of Nazis?

    or things any decent government should do anyway, like give minority schools to Russians

    Neither the largest and most populous Western Democracy, the USA, nor the second largest and most populous country in Europe, France, has these.

    But you prefer the Baltic way

    The French way, though Ukraine was milder than the French because the Ukrainians allowed primary schools in minority languages.

    On the nature of the war, you and I agree. But based on the overall forces and the fact that it is also a ‘domestic’ war for Russia – they see it that way

    Russians see Crimea as domestic but they don’t see Kherson or even Donbas as domestic. They could care less about those places.

    But based on the overall forces and the fact that it is also a ‘domestic’ war for Russia – they see it that way – the odds are very high that if one side wins it will be Russia. I used to think it is 80-20 in Russia’s favor, I would up that after the failed Kiev offensive to 85-15. What do you think? (And don’t do 50-50, that simply says “I don’t know’).

    50/50 as I describe it doesn’t mean “I don’t know.”

    I am rather certain that Ukraine will be unable to take Donetsk and urban Donbas, and that Russia will be unable to take Odessa, or the eastern half of the country, or to capture Kiev.

    But I do not know whether or not Ukraine will be able to break the current territorial stalemate and liberate the Crimean corridor, or even to take Crimea itself if it manages to liberate the corridor.

    As for “winning”, it depends on different factors and each side will redefine “win” to suit its propaganda purposes. Russia set out to implement regime change in Ukraine, demilitarize it, purge it of Ukrainian nationalism, and bring Ukraine to a Belarus-like state, but having failed to do that, if it manages to keep the parts of Kherson and Zaporizhia oblasts that connect Crimea to Russia it will proclaim that it has won.

    I think:

    A stalemate at the current line could be a Ukrainian win, depending on other conditions – Ukraine gets fast-tracked into EU, keeps its massive military (and/or gets under the NATO umbrella), keeps the $300 billion in frozen Russian assets to rebuild, runs its schools etc. as it likes, and in exchange Russia keeps the lands it has taken and loses the sanctions. In this case, neither side would get what it wanted but each side would get something but on balance Ukraine gets more than it loses, so a slight win for Ukraine, though interpreting this as a draw would not be unreasonable.

    A deal like above, but Russia only keeps the 2014-2022 territory (or even loses some of it) and gets them formally recognized would be a clear Ukrainian win.

    Russia significantly taking more lands than it has now (a few towns doesn’t count – but if takes Odessa or Kharkiv regions) and/or the conditions not applying (no money for rebuilding what Russia wrecked, no EU prospects, Russia restricting Ukraine somehow) would make it a Russian win.

    Russia defeating the Ukrainian military and forcing it to retreat to the Carpathians and occupying Kiev and installing a puppet regime – the original plan – would be a clear Russian win.

    I don’t think the odds of anything have changed much from summer, because Ukraine has not used up most of the forces it had accumulated and because Russia is being attrited at a higher rate than Ukraine is now. I had earlier predicted 50/50 chance of stalemate versus liberation of the Crimean corridor. It is probably about the same now, maybe stalemate is a bit higher than 50% – maybe 55.45.

    If Ukraine takes the Crimea corridor, this unlocks a ~50% chance of taking Crimea too.

    So:

    55% chance of stalemate at current lines, give or take a dozen towns and villages
    25% chance Ukraine retakes Crimean corridor only
    20% chance Ukraine takes both Crimean corridor and large parts of Crimea, perhaps all of it

    To be pedantic – I would add – 1% chance of Russia grabbing a lot more territory (such as reaching Odessa, or taking the eastern half of the country), .5% chance of Ukraine retaking all of its lands or Russia withdrawing all the way back to its 1991 borders (maybe due to a revolution or something).

    Ukrainians are fighting for their homes, so they will last longer

    What if they don’t? You have nothing but your wishful thinking to back that up

    I have a record of predicting what Ukrainians would do, you have a record of predicting the opposite.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    20% chance Ukraine takes both Crimean corridor and large parts of Crimea, perhaps all of it
     
    In this scenario, does Russia hold onto most of the Donbass, especially its urban parts? I could imagine defending the urban Donbass being easier for Russia due to its logistics and supply lines being more connected to Russia than Crimea's are (which are dependent upon a bridge that Ukraine can blow up and/or disrupt).

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    BTW, off-topic, but I did some additional thinking and concluded that Ukraine under Russian rule (had Russia actually succeeded in conquering most or all of Ukraine) might have looked much like France did under the Vichy regime. In other words, there would have been a low-level resistance with assassinations, terrorist bombings, road/railroad sabotage, et cetera, but also some collaborators and with this resistance being too weak to overthrow the puppet pro-Russian Ukrainian government by itself. Instead, there would simply be a permanent low-level headache. But I'm unsure that this would have actually been enough to compel Russia to withdraw from Ukraine in such a scenario. Russia might view a constantly bleeding pro-Russian Ukraine as superior to a non-bleeding but pro-Western Ukraine, after all.

    Of course, I do think that Novorossiya under Russian rule would have looked more like Czechia under Nazi rule. It's the center and west of Ukraine under Russian rule that would have looked more like Vichy France.

    , @Beckow
    @AP


    it won’t be a pro-Russian government.
     
    The most likely scenario is like Georgia: an accommodating government that tries to keep its head down and avoids provoking Russia.

    What do you think full deNazification means...
     
    Whatever you want it to mean. I have said from the beginning that de-Nazification is subjective and hard to define. There are a few quasi-Nazis in Ukraine and a huge spectrum of people who slide into it by celebrating Bandera etc...I am sure Russia will find a formula to say it was solved. It is up to them, they are the aggrieved party since the other victims of Ukie WW2 Nazis don't seem to care - like Poland or Israel.

    Russians see Crimea as domestic but they don’t see Kherson or even Donbas as domestic.
     
    They care less but at this point they are committed, so they will fight. The result of Ukie stupidity since 2014.

    55% chance of stalemate at current lines, give or take a dozen towns and villages
    25% chance Ukraine retakes Crimean corridor only
    20% chance Ukraine takes both Crimean corridor and large parts of Crimea, perhaps all of it
    I would add – 1% chance of Russia grabbing a lot more territory
     
    That adds up to 100-to-1 that Kiev would either hold its own or win the war. You are quite an optimist. How? If Kiev has failed with the summer offensive, why would you give it 45% that they will try again and this time prevail?

    Stalemate is unlikely: neither side wants it and it would be too expensive for the West with nothing to show for it other than constant propaganda. It is more likely they would negotiate a deal.

    If they agree on a deal, Kiev will be neutral - no Nato. Based on that EU will not want them - but a permanent Association agreement for the rump Ukraine is possible.

    The most likely outcome is that at some point Kiev collapses - economically or militarily - and a new government negotiates a peace deal with Russia. It could be next year or in 2-5 years. This was all an enormous waste, and by far biggest victims are the Ukies. Agreeing to a normal deal in 2015-22 was preferable. (And they are not France and we are not in 1850.)

    Replies: @John Johnson, @A123, @AP

  714. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Oh, she was playing him like a fiddle…they can be dangerous if one is a fool. And most Nazis were fools. I am not sure the concept of love comes into it…but it was kind of euro: elegant and trashy at the same time…:)
     
    Well, it looks like it was more serious than simply a fling. Of course, he approached her first (he was immediately infatuated with her). And, of course, she derived benefits from it for her performances (media connections). But I think he may have made her get used to this (and his care) and then when Germany was going to annex Sudetenland, and when Magda started objecting, he had to let her go. Then everything went downhill for her (but at least it wasn't as bad as for the women that Beria used to date rape). So the Nazis did take advantage of her.

    Although I must say that the Führer interfering, with a stern and fatherly hand, is somewhat admirable - that he was able to protect and defend Magda (and her children) as well as handle this kind of a thing (when he isn't even supposed to be dealing with this kind of stuff), in such a careful, yet determined way, speaks well for his character. Had never noticed that side of him before. He must've had good social skills.

    By the way, during WW2 the Czech film studios in Barrandov next to Prague were quite something: in the occupied country they offered both culture and R&R to Germans, busily produced the required propaganda, and were the premier party location in Central Europe for a good time.

     

    Yes, I see that those traditions run deep. :) But it is kind of cool in a way, at least the studios were busy and developed.

    Quite a story, but he was too drunk most of the time to write it. Instead he penned his retarded absurdist plays.
     
    LOL. Yes, that's quite a story. But I don't think you should judge him too harshly for what his uncle was doing. These kind of nepotistic familial things happen everywhere. Probably happened even in the Nordic countries back in the day. It's human nature - you always want best for the kids.

    Havel family’s Nazi collaboration history was not well known in the West. Or was it, and it was a plus? I am not sure anymore…
     
    Do not get all "conspiratorial" now - I think we have enough of those here. :)

    Btw, I liked Karlovi Vary very much when I was there. Especially the warm open air pool during winter. Nice contrast.

    Replies: @AP, @Beckow

    Ironically, when Beckow’s entire country of Slovakia acted like Goebbels’ Czech lover he was quite proud of it.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Actually, Slovakia's behavior would have indeed been quite admirable had it not voluntarily agreed to hand over most of its Jews to the Nazis. In such a scenario, many more Slovak Jews would have likely been saved from the Holocaust, especially if Slovakia would have also refrained from rebelling against the Nazis in 1944. Heck, in such a scenario, it's possible that virtually the entire Slovak Jewish community could have survived the Holocaust.

    Cooperating with Hitler was also ironically the best bet for the mass survival of Poland's Jewry if Poland was unwilling to agree to a Soviet alliance in 1939. The Nazis generally did not force their allies to give up their Jews for so long as their allies remained loyal to the Nazi cause.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  715. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Countries can collapse or withdraw eventually in such wars, though because there haven’t been such wars recently we have to go back in time to find examples. Russia did it in 1917 (it was actually gaining ground when it’s soldiers just refused to fight), Germany gave up in 1918 despite still controlling a lot of territory beyond German lands. Japan didn’t capture more than peripheral places like Sakhalin before Russia gave up, after losing 55,000 dead. At some point people will collectively decide that it isn’t worth it.
     
    You forgot to mention Japan in 1945, which also surrendered when Japanese troops were still located outside of Japan's borders in huge numbers.

    Replies: @AP

    Japan did not surrender from war fatigue but because it was getting nuked. It would have fought on otherwise.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    It would have fought on otherwise.
     
    Very possibly, but could further Soviet advances in East Asia have changed Japan's mind in regards to fighting on?
  716. @A123
    @John Johnson

    Why are you going off the rails and lashing out at stuff that is not true? Everyone but you sees the defect.

     
    https://media1.tenor.com/images/f820b3b4450170a923641ef08b041f24/tenor.gif
     

    Your entire low-IQ yahoo position is 100% dependant on Not-The-President Biden voluntarily stepping aside. There is not a single piece of evidence that the Veggie-in-Chief's puppet masters will allow that to happen.

    Why do you keep making stuff up?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Your entire low-IQ yahoo position is 100% dependant on Not-The-President Biden voluntarily stepping aside. There is not a single piece of evidence that the Veggie-in-Chief’s puppet masters will allow that to happen.

    That doesn’t make any sense given that I maintain the final candidates are unknown and Trump will most likely catch a felony.

    This election has too many variables. Biden could fall and hit his head. He is 80 years old and has one of the most stressful jobs in America.

    The election is a complicated situation in part because there is a war going on.

    If it was a peacetime election then the press would be pushing for a new candidate.

    The Democrats are trying to maintain some type of unity. The polls suggest that running Biden is a bad idea and his numbers will only get worse unless the war ends and the economy bounces back. But who he would be running against is part of the equation and that is yet to be determined.

    Biden may even plan on dropping out. We really don’t know. Politicians have done this before where they try to wait out a crisis or war before announcing that they don’t plan on running. In the case of war they don’t want the enemy to expect a change in policy with a new election.

    For the good of the country I think both Biden and Trump should drop out. Trump could in fact lead us into the worst case scenario where he loses against Biden and Harris eventually becomes president.

    Biden could also fall down some stairs next year and Trump could then easily lose to a moderate. He is still hated by independents. He only gained against independents against Biden in a scenario where they are forced to choose between the two. That is too risky. I would like Biden out more than I want Trump to be president. But Trump is of course an ego maniac and will risk a president Harris to run again. Hopefully Harris will leave but we really don’t know. Too many unknown variables.

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson

    Your entire low-IQ Yahoo position doesn’t make any sense:

    • It is too late for someone to enter the DNC process to beat Not-The-President Biden. If he had voluntarily stepped aside, a high risk "open primary" might have worked. That option closed many months ago.

    • A Nazi black skirt announcing a fake conviction would magnify Trump's voter turnout. Show trials rely on public support. That no longer exists. Encouraging the law abiding public to tear down illicit swastika 卍ourts is virtuous.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

  717. @LatW
    @John Johnson


    The election depends in part on what happens with Trump and his felony cases. Trump could be barred from office. That presents a completely different scenario.
     
    If this happens, then could Haley move up (she might be slightly more charismatic than De Santis) and, if she secures enough donors and wins, could she beat the crap out of Russia? There is now a slightly higher possibility of this than ever before, right?

    Replies: @A123, @Mikhail, @John Johnson

    The election depends in part on what happens with Trump and his felony cases. Trump could be barred from office. That presents a completely different scenario.

    If this happens, then could Haley move up (she might be slightly more charismatic than De Santis) and, if she secures enough donors and wins, could she beat the crap out of Russia?

    All the candidates would have an increased chance if Trump is barred from office.

    There is now a slightly higher possibility of this than ever before, right?

    Yes. The Trump U case isn’t going well for Trump and this isn’t the worst one.

    His odds of escaping all the charges were better a month ago. I think he lost his better lawyers.

    Right now the Democrats are benefiting from Haley and DeSantis go at each other.

    Haley is probably the better play. That doesn’t mean I like her. I’d rather see another candidate.

    With DeSantis they can do some last minute mud slinging in minority areas. Out of context quotes and such. It works unfortunately and he has some pretty bad gaffes.

  718. @A123
    @LatW

    What are the exact mechanics of "barring"?

    Can any state bar any candidate? Likely every state would bar the candidate of the other party?

    I like the idea... If the Electoral College fails, under the Constitution the first candidate to obtain 26 state delegations in the U.S. House wins. Deliberately breaking the EC guarantees a string of MAGA presidencies.

    Please... Do that thing... Do it now...

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    What are the exact mechanics of “barring”?

    Can any state bar any candidate? Likely every state would bar the candidate of the other party?

    A judge can prevent you from taking part in a profession as part of a judgement.

    The situation is even worse in the documents case. The law says he cannot hold office if he is found guilty.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/08/09/trump-barred-office-records-probe/10276899002/

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson


    A judge can prevent you from taking part in a profession as part of a judgement.
     
    Your admission that any judge can exclude Not-The-President Biden from the ballot as part of a judgement is appreciated.

    PEACE 😇
  719. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    Japan did not surrender from war fatigue but because it was getting nuked. It would have fought on otherwise.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    It would have fought on otherwise.

    Very possibly, but could further Soviet advances in East Asia have changed Japan’s mind in regards to fighting on?

  720. @AP
    @LatW

    Ironically, when Beckow's entire country of Slovakia acted like Goebbels' Czech lover he was quite proud of it.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Actually, Slovakia’s behavior would have indeed been quite admirable had it not voluntarily agreed to hand over most of its Jews to the Nazis. In such a scenario, many more Slovak Jews would have likely been saved from the Holocaust, especially if Slovakia would have also refrained from rebelling against the Nazis in 1944. Heck, in such a scenario, it’s possible that virtually the entire Slovak Jewish community could have survived the Holocaust.

    Cooperating with Hitler was also ironically the best bet for the mass survival of Poland’s Jewry if Poland was unwilling to agree to a Soviet alliance in 1939. The Nazis generally did not force their allies to give up their Jews for so long as their allies remained loyal to the Nazi cause.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    Interestingly enough, though, had Poland really been determined to resist the Nazis, then a Soviet alliance in 1939 along with its Anglo-French alliances would have been by far the best option in hindsight. Poland in 1945 would have ended up in the same position that it was in real life, but with much fewer Polish, Jewish, and Soviet lives lost, and possibly with much fewer German lives lost as well.

    Replies: @Beckow

  721. @AP
    @Beckow


    If Kiev loses the war there will be a change in government.
     
    Unless Russia occupies the country (the original goal), it won't be a pro-Russian government.

    All the things you list are either unsupported projections
     
    What do you think full deNazification means, in the context when the Russian government called the Ukrainian government as being full of Nazis?

    or things any decent government should do anyway, like give minority schools to Russians
     
    Neither the largest and most populous Western Democracy, the USA, nor the second largest and most populous country in Europe, France, has these.

    But you prefer the Baltic way
     
    The French way, though Ukraine was milder than the French because the Ukrainians allowed primary schools in minority languages.

    On the nature of the war, you and I agree. But based on the overall forces and the fact that it is also a ‘domestic’ war for Russia – they see it that way
     
    Russians see Crimea as domestic but they don't see Kherson or even Donbas as domestic. They could care less about those places.

    But based on the overall forces and the fact that it is also a ‘domestic’ war for Russia – they see it that way – the odds are very high that if one side wins it will be Russia. I used to think it is 80-20 in Russia’s favor, I would up that after the failed Kiev offensive to 85-15. What do you think? (And don’t do 50-50, that simply says “I don’t know’).
     
    50/50 as I describe it doesn't mean "I don't know."

    I am rather certain that Ukraine will be unable to take Donetsk and urban Donbas, and that Russia will be unable to take Odessa, or the eastern half of the country, or to capture Kiev.

    But I do not know whether or not Ukraine will be able to break the current territorial stalemate and liberate the Crimean corridor, or even to take Crimea itself if it manages to liberate the corridor.

    As for "winning", it depends on different factors and each side will redefine "win" to suit its propaganda purposes. Russia set out to implement regime change in Ukraine, demilitarize it, purge it of Ukrainian nationalism, and bring Ukraine to a Belarus-like state, but having failed to do that, if it manages to keep the parts of Kherson and Zaporizhia oblasts that connect Crimea to Russia it will proclaim that it has won.

    I think:

    A stalemate at the current line could be a Ukrainian win, depending on other conditions - Ukraine gets fast-tracked into EU, keeps its massive military (and/or gets under the NATO umbrella), keeps the $300 billion in frozen Russian assets to rebuild, runs its schools etc. as it likes, and in exchange Russia keeps the lands it has taken and loses the sanctions. In this case, neither side would get what it wanted but each side would get something but on balance Ukraine gets more than it loses, so a slight win for Ukraine, though interpreting this as a draw would not be unreasonable.

    A deal like above, but Russia only keeps the 2014-2022 territory (or even loses some of it) and gets them formally recognized would be a clear Ukrainian win.

    Russia significantly taking more lands than it has now (a few towns doesn't count - but if takes Odessa or Kharkiv regions) and/or the conditions not applying (no money for rebuilding what Russia wrecked, no EU prospects, Russia restricting Ukraine somehow) would make it a Russian win.

    Russia defeating the Ukrainian military and forcing it to retreat to the Carpathians and occupying Kiev and installing a puppet regime - the original plan - would be a clear Russian win.

    I don't think the odds of anything have changed much from summer, because Ukraine has not used up most of the forces it had accumulated and because Russia is being attrited at a higher rate than Ukraine is now. I had earlier predicted 50/50 chance of stalemate versus liberation of the Crimean corridor. It is probably about the same now, maybe stalemate is a bit higher than 50% - maybe 55.45.

    If Ukraine takes the Crimea corridor, this unlocks a ~50% chance of taking Crimea too.

    So:

    55% chance of stalemate at current lines, give or take a dozen towns and villages
    25% chance Ukraine retakes Crimean corridor only
    20% chance Ukraine takes both Crimean corridor and large parts of Crimea, perhaps all of it

    To be pedantic - I would add - 1% chance of Russia grabbing a lot more territory (such as reaching Odessa, or taking the eastern half of the country), .5% chance of Ukraine retaking all of its lands or Russia withdrawing all the way back to its 1991 borders (maybe due to a revolution or something).

    Ukrainians are fighting for their homes, so they will last longer

    What if they don’t? You have nothing but your wishful thinking to back that up
     
    I have a record of predicting what Ukrainians would do, you have a record of predicting the opposite.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    20% chance Ukraine takes both Crimean corridor and large parts of Crimea, perhaps all of it

    In this scenario, does Russia hold onto most of the Donbass, especially its urban parts? I could imagine defending the urban Donbass being easier for Russia due to its logistics and supply lines being more connected to Russia than Crimea’s are (which are dependent upon a bridge that Ukraine can blow up and/or disrupt).

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    In this scenario, does Russia hold onto most of the Donbass, especially its urban parts? I could imagine defending the urban Donbass being easier for Russia due to its logistics and supply lines being more connected to Russia than Crimea’s are (which are dependent upon a bridge that Ukraine can blow up and/or disrupt).

    I think Zaporizhzhia is the real question.

    Donbas and specifically the former DPR/LPR have enough Russians to help with the takeover.

    Melitopol is not only majority Ukrainian but the Russian speakers were never separatists.

    With current lines the Russians have a lot of angry partisans. But Putin of course wants one continuous chunk from Donbas down to Crimea.

    The downside with going after Melitopol and is that they can see it coming. They know that the Ukrainians want to rescue their brethren.

    I think Ukraine needs to stop pushing offensives and let the Russians settle in. Videos show Russians are still fighting in athletic shoes and hunting camo. It's easy to freeze in winter if you don't have the proper gear. Something is very wrong with the Russian supply line and that should be exploited. You would think that Putin would have acquired winter gear from China or North Korea by now but that doesn't seem to be the case. Let the Russians dig in and wait for the cold. Hit their supply lines and see how well 18 year olds do when starving and freezing.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  722. @John Johnson
    @A123

    Your entire low-IQ yahoo position is 100% dependant on Not-The-President Biden voluntarily stepping aside. There is not a single piece of evidence that the Veggie-in-Chief’s puppet masters will allow that to happen.

    That doesn't make any sense given that I maintain the final candidates are unknown and Trump will most likely catch a felony.

    This election has too many variables. Biden could fall and hit his head. He is 80 years old and has one of the most stressful jobs in America.

    The election is a complicated situation in part because there is a war going on.

    If it was a peacetime election then the press would be pushing for a new candidate.

    The Democrats are trying to maintain some type of unity. The polls suggest that running Biden is a bad idea and his numbers will only get worse unless the war ends and the economy bounces back. But who he would be running against is part of the equation and that is yet to be determined.

    Biden may even plan on dropping out. We really don't know. Politicians have done this before where they try to wait out a crisis or war before announcing that they don't plan on running. In the case of war they don't want the enemy to expect a change in policy with a new election.

    For the good of the country I think both Biden and Trump should drop out. Trump could in fact lead us into the worst case scenario where he loses against Biden and Harris eventually becomes president.

    Biden could also fall down some stairs next year and Trump could then easily lose to a moderate. He is still hated by independents. He only gained against independents against Biden in a scenario where they are forced to choose between the two. That is too risky. I would like Biden out more than I want Trump to be president. But Trump is of course an ego maniac and will risk a president Harris to run again. Hopefully Harris will leave but we really don't know. Too many unknown variables.

    Replies: @A123

    Your entire low-IQ Yahoo position doesn’t make any sense:

    • It is too late for someone to enter the DNC process to beat Not-The-President Biden. If he had voluntarily stepped aside, a high risk “open primary” might have worked. That option closed many months ago.

    • A Nazi black skirt announcing a fake conviction would magnify Trump’s voter turnout. Show trials rely on public support. That no longer exists. Encouraging the law abiding public to tear down illicit swastika 卍ourts is virtuous.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    It is too late for someone to enter the DNC process to beat Not-The-President Biden. If he had voluntarily stepped aside, a high risk “open primary” might have worked. That option closed many months ago.

    Who is Dean Phillips? The Minnesota rep challenging Biden in 2024
    https://news.yahoo.com/dean-phillips-minnesota-rep-challenging-201411947.html

    Do you acknowledge that Dean Phillips is a primary challenger to Biden?

    A Nazi black skirt announcing a fake conviction would magnify Trump’s voter turnout.

    You do acknowledge that independents and moderates decide swing states?

    Would a felony conviction increase or decrease his numbers with them?

    Trump fans already tried ignoring the data in the last election.

    In fact in my history I had Trump fans scolding me for pointing out that he was losing independents. Was called a Jew and MSM bot.

    Well that worked out great.

    How Biden took independents from Trump
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/elections/exit-polls-changes-2016-2020/

    Replies: @A123

  723. @John Johnson
    @A123

    What are the exact mechanics of “barring”?

    Can any state bar any candidate? Likely every state would bar the candidate of the other party?

    A judge can prevent you from taking part in a profession as part of a judgement.

    The situation is even worse in the documents case. The law says he cannot hold office if he is found guilty.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/08/09/trump-barred-office-records-probe/10276899002/

    Replies: @A123

    A judge can prevent you from taking part in a profession as part of a judgement.

    Your admission that any judge can exclude Not-The-President Biden from the ballot as part of a judgement is appreciated.

    PEACE 😇

  724. @A123
    @John Johnson

    Your entire low-IQ Yahoo position doesn’t make any sense:

    • It is too late for someone to enter the DNC process to beat Not-The-President Biden. If he had voluntarily stepped aside, a high risk "open primary" might have worked. That option closed many months ago.

    • A Nazi black skirt announcing a fake conviction would magnify Trump's voter turnout. Show trials rely on public support. That no longer exists. Encouraging the law abiding public to tear down illicit swastika 卍ourts is virtuous.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    It is too late for someone to enter the DNC process to beat Not-The-President Biden. If he had voluntarily stepped aside, a high risk “open primary” might have worked. That option closed many months ago.

    Who is Dean Phillips? The Minnesota rep challenging Biden in 2024
    https://news.yahoo.com/dean-phillips-minnesota-rep-challenging-201411947.html

    Do you acknowledge that Dean Phillips is a primary challenger to Biden?

    A Nazi black skirt announcing a fake conviction would magnify Trump’s voter turnout.

    You do acknowledge that independents and moderates decide swing states?

    Would a felony conviction increase or decrease his numbers with them?

    Trump fans already tried ignoring the data in the last election.

    In fact in my history I had Trump fans scolding me for pointing out that he was losing independents. Was called a Jew and MSM bot.

    Well that worked out great.

    How Biden took independents from Trump
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/elections/exit-polls-changes-2016-2020/

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson



    From #668

    There is a difference between:

    • Running in one state — Which I stated is still possible
    • Winning the nomination — Which requires running in many states
     

    Do you acknowledge that Dean Phillips is a primary challenger to Biden?
     
    I acknowledge Dean Phillips is running and has a 0% chance of winning.

    You do acknowledge that independents and moderates decide swing states?
     
    Yes.

    Would a felony conviction increase or decrease his numbers with them?
     
    Increase. Only vile Leftoids believe in Nazi black skirt swastika judges.

    How Trump took Independents from Biden in Swing States (1)


    Trump Bests Biden in Key Swing States in 3rd Poll This Week

     

    Former President Donald Trump leads President Joe Biden in six of seven crucial swing states, according to a Bloomberg News/Morning Consult poll, mirroring a trend in two separate polls published Sunday and Thursday.

    In hypothetical head-to-head matchups, Trump leads Biden to varying degrees in Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, while they tie in Michigan.
     

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2023/11/10/trump-bests-biden-key-swing-states-3rd-poll-this-week/

    Replies: @John Johnson

  725. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    20% chance Ukraine takes both Crimean corridor and large parts of Crimea, perhaps all of it
     
    In this scenario, does Russia hold onto most of the Donbass, especially its urban parts? I could imagine defending the urban Donbass being easier for Russia due to its logistics and supply lines being more connected to Russia than Crimea's are (which are dependent upon a bridge that Ukraine can blow up and/or disrupt).

    Replies: @John Johnson

    In this scenario, does Russia hold onto most of the Donbass, especially its urban parts? I could imagine defending the urban Donbass being easier for Russia due to its logistics and supply lines being more connected to Russia than Crimea’s are (which are dependent upon a bridge that Ukraine can blow up and/or disrupt).

    I think Zaporizhzhia is the real question.

    Donbas and specifically the former DPR/LPR have enough Russians to help with the takeover.

    Melitopol is not only majority Ukrainian but the Russian speakers were never separatists.

    With current lines the Russians have a lot of angry partisans. But Putin of course wants one continuous chunk from Donbas down to Crimea.

    The downside with going after Melitopol and is that they can see it coming. They know that the Ukrainians want to rescue their brethren.

    I think Ukraine needs to stop pushing offensives and let the Russians settle in. Videos show Russians are still fighting in athletic shoes and hunting camo. It’s easy to freeze in winter if you don’t have the proper gear. Something is very wrong with the Russian supply line and that should be exploited. You would think that Putin would have acquired winter gear from China or North Korea by now but that doesn’t seem to be the case. Let the Russians dig in and wait for the cold. Hit their supply lines and see how well 18 year olds do when starving and freezing.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    You mean, do a frozen conflict and continuously hit Russian supply lines with drone and special forces attacks/operations? That could work, I suppose.

    Obviously Ukraine won't get Crimea if it won't liberate Zaporizhia, so Yeah, Ukrainian control of Zaporizhia is important.

    Makes one wonder just how many Russians would be willing to move to Zaporizhia in peacetime. After all, isn't the coastline there pretty romantic? And Yes, they could get killed in terrorist attacks, but they can also get killed in car accidents, et cetera and the overall risk of getting killed in a terrorist attack during one's lifetime would probably be pretty small even for them, no?

  726. @Dmitry
    @Greasy William

    I was wondering if you were confusing Duran Duran with another English band Pink Floyd.

    Pink Floyd are writing anti-Israel messages, while Duran Duran are on the opposite side with their first song called "Tel Aviv".

    -

    Pink Floyd - 1970s progressive rock albums, Duran Duran 1980s pop music.

    The difference from the 1970s to 1980s, shows how fast the pop music was changing in that time in the West, each decade had different sounds, changing production methods, different fashion, seems to reflect some important changes of the world consciousness.

    Unlike for the last twenty years, pop music has been stagnating without significant changes and becomes irrelevant as a measurement of the epoch changes.

    If you listen to Duran Duran, there are many "1980s features" which wasn't promoted in the 1970s. The optimism Reagan was reflecting, glamor/superficiality, capitalist excess, businessman's culture.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCjMZMxNr-0

    Replies: @S

    I’m appreciating more and more some of the earlier (1967) Pink Floyd music which featured Syd Barrett before his troubles got the best of him. It seems kind of alien at first but it grows on you. [The video quality is so crisp on these they look like they were filmed just yesterday. ‘Bike’ under ‘more’ is actually kind of funny.]

    ‘Arnold Layne’

    ‘See Emily Play’

    [MORE]

    ‘Bike’

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @S

    I do own and occasionally listen tp "piper at the gates of dawn", but don't really understand the hero worship of Syd Barret. His input to the overall sound of the band was minimal and the music was just really simple early psychedelia, almost an offshoot of the innocent British Carnaby street scene. Pink Floyd did just fine without the input of Syd Barret, and their really great music came after he departed.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @S

  727. @John Johnson
    @A123

    It is too late for someone to enter the DNC process to beat Not-The-President Biden. If he had voluntarily stepped aside, a high risk “open primary” might have worked. That option closed many months ago.

    Who is Dean Phillips? The Minnesota rep challenging Biden in 2024
    https://news.yahoo.com/dean-phillips-minnesota-rep-challenging-201411947.html

    Do you acknowledge that Dean Phillips is a primary challenger to Biden?

    A Nazi black skirt announcing a fake conviction would magnify Trump’s voter turnout.

    You do acknowledge that independents and moderates decide swing states?

    Would a felony conviction increase or decrease his numbers with them?

    Trump fans already tried ignoring the data in the last election.

    In fact in my history I had Trump fans scolding me for pointing out that he was losing independents. Was called a Jew and MSM bot.

    Well that worked out great.

    How Biden took independents from Trump
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/elections/exit-polls-changes-2016-2020/

    Replies: @A123

    From #668

    There is a difference between:

    • Running in one state — Which I stated is still possible
    • Winning the nomination — Which requires running in many states

    Do you acknowledge that Dean Phillips is a primary challenger to Biden?

    I acknowledge Dean Phillips is running and has a 0% chance of winning.

    You do acknowledge that independents and moderates decide swing states?

    Yes.

    Would a felony conviction increase or decrease his numbers with them?

    Increase. Only vile Leftoids believe in Nazi black skirt swastika judges.

    How Trump took Independents from Biden in Swing States (1)

    Trump Bests Biden in Key Swing States in 3rd Poll This Week

    Former President Donald Trump leads President Joe Biden in six of seven crucial swing states, according to a Bloomberg News/Morning Consult poll, mirroring a trend in two separate polls published Sunday and Thursday.

    In hypothetical head-to-head matchups, Trump leads Biden to varying degrees in Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, while they tie in Michigan.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2023/11/10/trump-bests-biden-key-swing-states-3rd-poll-this-week/

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    Increase. Only vile Leftoids believe in Nazi black skirt swastika judges.

    So if Trump catches a felony on taking home classified documents you actually believe it would boost his reputation with independents? How?

    If you found out your neighbor took home cases of Federal documents would that increase his reputation with you? Do people normally think..........so that guy is actually a felon now.....I like it.

    Trump Bests Biden in Key Swing States in 3rd Poll This Week

    Yes I already mentioned that. Trump is only taking independents because Biden is in the tank. It's a battle of the losers. It isn't as if Trump is gaining popularity outside of the MAGA crowd.

    It's another turd sandwich vs giant douche election.

    What if Trump catches a late felony and that is enough to put the giant douche over the edge?

    Makes more sense for the GOP to run someone less polarizing if the goal is to remove Biden.

    Independents hate both candidates. They view Biden as too old and Trump as an asshole.

    There is also the possibility of Trump getting jail time. Then what? Trump gives his inauguration speech from prison?

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack, @Supply and Demand

  728. @Sher Singh
    @LatW

    The Chieftain as a title is not a seperate entity from the men who make up the village.
    That title must have co-ercive power/sovereignity over the populace.

    Rather than, bureaucrats or liberal nitwits.

    https://darwinianconservatism.blogspot.com/2014/01/hobbess-liberal-leviathan-and-rule-of.html


    In many countries around the world today--such as Libya, Somalia, Iraq, and Afghanistan--the weakening or failure of central state power has promoted not individual liberty but the rule of clans that deny individual autonomy. When there is no powerful central government to enforce law and order and provide public goods, people will not live as free individuals; rather they will revert back to an ancient tribal form of social order in which people are treated not as individuals but as members of their extended kinship groups. There are good Darwinian reasons for this, having to do with the evolved instincts for kinship, nepotism, and tribalism based on extended real or fictive kinship.

    The moral codes of these clan societies will enforce group honor and suppress individual liberty. For example, clan societies will enforce the blood feuds, the honor killings, and the attacks on infidels that liberals abhor. The social order of liberal individualism will not prevail unless there is a powerful liberal state that will deny the customary legal systems of clan groups and protect the autonomy of individuals from coercion by clans.
     

    The types Silvio describes need closer management which a bureaucrat can't provide.
    A bureaucrat can regulate.

    A regulation is like a sub-contract telling police or others to handle a problem.
    However, the problem still needs solving & the closer one is the more likely the victims listen.

    The one tasked to solve something & the one tasking the solving are disconnected.
    Therein, lies the root of both modernity's greatest strengths and weaknesses.

    Both its vast scale, and ability to channel resources & a complete disregard for local conditions.

    --
    Liberal society can only provide substitutes - whether processed food, replica knives or voluntary 'clans'

    Even if there is a natural yearning for clan solidarity, a liberal society can satisfy that yearning by channeling it into the natural and voluntary associations of a pluralist society. Weiner recognizes that in his account of how Walter Scott used his romantic historical novel--Waverley (1814)--to imaginatively recreate the life of Scotland's Highland clans in a way that was compatible with liberal society (188-95). A liberal legal order in Scotland must deny the coercive legal authority of Scottish clans, but that liberal legal order could allow people to celebrate their clan identity as something to be celebrated in memory. Scottish clan identity could become a voluntary commitment in a free society of individuals, in which Scottish clan life became a cultural activity in liberal society without the coercive harshness of the originally illiberal clan society.

    https://doomeroptimism.substack.com/p/lessons-for-localists-the-great-indian

    It is important to note here that participation in the protest was not, for many people, entirely voluntary. Village panchayats are an ancient form of local government in villages across India, and in several farming villages panchayats made demands that each family send at least one individual to attend the protest, or make a donation towards the protest if they are unable to do so. Failure to comply with the edict would mean a social boycott. Any localist movement must be accepting of this kind of localized coercion, regardless of how offensive it may seem to liberal sensibilities. If the town or village is to act in self-preservation, it must be able to exact a penalty from those who abstain from their responsibilities. Note that in most of the world, this power to coerce is already granted, but exclusively to the state. This is, as author Patrick Deneen describes, a result of liberalism, and not representative of the natural development of human society:

    Under liberalism, human beings increasingly live in a condition of autonomy such as that first imagined by theorists of the state of nature, except that the anarchy that threatens to develop from that purportedly natural condition is controlled and suppressed through the imposition of laws and the corresponding growth of the state. With man liberated from constitutive communities (leaving only loose connections) and nature harnessed and controlled, the constructed sphere of autonomous liberty expands seemingly without limit.

    Patrick Deneen, Unsustainable Liberalism, First Things Magazine 2012

    That is, the endless expansion of individual autonomy is conditioned on the endless growth of the state. Heaven is necessarily ordered, as Berry says, but “hell hath no limit”. The Rothbardian or Misesian view of human society as consisting of free associating individuals with no pre-existing social or cultural ties is as much an imaginative fantasy as the Stalinist view of the benevolent dictatorship of the proletariat. In fact, the two poles merely work to strengthen each other in the long run, by eroding the local institutions that act as a check on top-down power. Patrick Deneen explains this as follows:

    Replies: @LatW, @Philip Owen

    The Chieftain as a title is not a seperate entity from the men who make up the village.

    There is a male hierarchy that is run by reciprocity (exchange of goods to secure power), the man at the top, the big man, is the one who regulates and balances this. That’s how the status of the big man was determined in very primitive societies – through this balancing, through charisma and wit, and not by inheritance.

    In Maori tribes, these big men already had something resembling properties (bigger plots). Some can even use tribal religion to organize the life of the tribe.

    There can also be elders that form a council. There could be a chief who was also a visionary.

    The types Silvio describes need closer management which a bureaucrat can’t provide.
    A bureaucrat can regulate.

    In more advanced chieftain-led societies this would not be micromanaged by the Chieftain but at a lower level. This is something that the immediate family could’ve regulated, including vetting the prospective husband much closer.

    Only if it got more complex, would it be brought before someone such as the goðar in Iceland (even though those were originally religious leaders, but they sometimes operated in a secular context as well by solving disputes). They determined the distribution of wealth, and there was a hierarchy among the goðar, too.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @LatW

    In an Aryan society any man will kill the nigger & whore.
    I don't care about an abusive husband, the wife had a role in turning him that way.

    Not my problem.
    Imagine bothering men of high stature over domestic disputes LOL.


    There is a male hierarchy that is run by reciprocity (exchange of goods to secure power), the man at the top, the big man, is the one who regulates and balances this.
     
    The only good worth exchanging & that brings power (sons) is woman.
    Fuck your Anthropology textbook..

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Mikel

  729. @A123
    @John Johnson



    From #668

    There is a difference between:

    • Running in one state — Which I stated is still possible
    • Winning the nomination — Which requires running in many states
     

    Do you acknowledge that Dean Phillips is a primary challenger to Biden?
     
    I acknowledge Dean Phillips is running and has a 0% chance of winning.

    You do acknowledge that independents and moderates decide swing states?
     
    Yes.

    Would a felony conviction increase or decrease his numbers with them?
     
    Increase. Only vile Leftoids believe in Nazi black skirt swastika judges.

    How Trump took Independents from Biden in Swing States (1)


    Trump Bests Biden in Key Swing States in 3rd Poll This Week

     

    Former President Donald Trump leads President Joe Biden in six of seven crucial swing states, according to a Bloomberg News/Morning Consult poll, mirroring a trend in two separate polls published Sunday and Thursday.

    In hypothetical head-to-head matchups, Trump leads Biden to varying degrees in Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, while they tie in Michigan.
     

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2023/11/10/trump-bests-biden-key-swing-states-3rd-poll-this-week/

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Increase. Only vile Leftoids believe in Nazi black skirt swastika judges.

    So if Trump catches a felony on taking home classified documents you actually believe it would boost his reputation with independents? How?

    If you found out your neighbor took home cases of Federal documents would that increase his reputation with you? Do people normally think……….so that guy is actually a felon now…..I like it.

    Trump Bests Biden in Key Swing States in 3rd Poll This Week

    Yes I already mentioned that. Trump is only taking independents because Biden is in the tank. It’s a battle of the losers. It isn’t as if Trump is gaining popularity outside of the MAGA crowd.

    It’s another turd sandwich vs giant douche election.

    What if Trump catches a late felony and that is enough to put the giant douche over the edge?

    Makes more sense for the GOP to run someone less polarizing if the goal is to remove Biden.

    Independents hate both candidates. They view Biden as too old and Trump as an asshole.

    There is also the possibility of Trump getting jail time. Then what? Trump gives his inauguration speech from prison?

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson



    Increase. Only vile Leftoids believe in Nazi black skirt swastika judges.
     
    So if Trump catches a felony on taking home classified documents you actually believe it would boost his reputation with independents? How?
     
    Fascist fake judges screaming their blood lust and eternal devotion for Adolf SJW Hitler are unappealing to all rational people, including moderates.

    Obvious unwarranted persecution brings support to God & Country, including Trump. Again, this is obvious and inevitable. Why are you asking such self answering questions? And, then getting the wrong results?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson


    There is also the possibility of Trump getting jail time. Then what? Trump gives his inauguration speech from prison?
     
    Not to worry. Like the poor fools that followed Trump around on January6, kremlinstoogeA123 will try to save his new Christian savior, even from the gates of hell:

    https://media1.fdncms.com/saltlake/imager/jail-cake/u/original/2304965/art18240.jpg
    kremlnstoogeA123's birthday present forTrump :-)

    , @Supply and Demand
    @John Johnson

    Joe Biden is going to run the biggest margin of victory in American history. Abortion will be the deciding factor.

    If one recalls the Anatoly Karalin presidential predictions in 2020, I correctly predicted 47/50 states and the popular vote swing. I am infallible.

  730. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    In this scenario, does Russia hold onto most of the Donbass, especially its urban parts? I could imagine defending the urban Donbass being easier for Russia due to its logistics and supply lines being more connected to Russia than Crimea’s are (which are dependent upon a bridge that Ukraine can blow up and/or disrupt).

    I think Zaporizhzhia is the real question.

    Donbas and specifically the former DPR/LPR have enough Russians to help with the takeover.

    Melitopol is not only majority Ukrainian but the Russian speakers were never separatists.

    With current lines the Russians have a lot of angry partisans. But Putin of course wants one continuous chunk from Donbas down to Crimea.

    The downside with going after Melitopol and is that they can see it coming. They know that the Ukrainians want to rescue their brethren.

    I think Ukraine needs to stop pushing offensives and let the Russians settle in. Videos show Russians are still fighting in athletic shoes and hunting camo. It's easy to freeze in winter if you don't have the proper gear. Something is very wrong with the Russian supply line and that should be exploited. You would think that Putin would have acquired winter gear from China or North Korea by now but that doesn't seem to be the case. Let the Russians dig in and wait for the cold. Hit their supply lines and see how well 18 year olds do when starving and freezing.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    You mean, do a frozen conflict and continuously hit Russian supply lines with drone and special forces attacks/operations? That could work, I suppose.

    Obviously Ukraine won’t get Crimea if it won’t liberate Zaporizhia, so Yeah, Ukrainian control of Zaporizhia is important.

    Makes one wonder just how many Russians would be willing to move to Zaporizhia in peacetime. After all, isn’t the coastline there pretty romantic? And Yes, they could get killed in terrorist attacks, but they can also get killed in car accidents, et cetera and the overall risk of getting killed in a terrorist attack during one’s lifetime would probably be pretty small even for them, no?

  731. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Actually, Slovakia's behavior would have indeed been quite admirable had it not voluntarily agreed to hand over most of its Jews to the Nazis. In such a scenario, many more Slovak Jews would have likely been saved from the Holocaust, especially if Slovakia would have also refrained from rebelling against the Nazis in 1944. Heck, in such a scenario, it's possible that virtually the entire Slovak Jewish community could have survived the Holocaust.

    Cooperating with Hitler was also ironically the best bet for the mass survival of Poland's Jewry if Poland was unwilling to agree to a Soviet alliance in 1939. The Nazis generally did not force their allies to give up their Jews for so long as their allies remained loyal to the Nazi cause.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Interestingly enough, though, had Poland really been determined to resist the Nazis, then a Soviet alliance in 1939 along with its Anglo-French alliances would have been by far the best option in hindsight. Poland in 1945 would have ended up in the same position that it was in real life, but with much fewer Polish, Jewish, and Soviet lives lost, and possibly with much fewer German lives lost as well.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...had Poland really been determined to resist the Nazis, then a Soviet alliance in 1939 along with its Anglo-French alliances would have been by far the best option in hindsight. Poland in 1945...
     
    Poland was obsessed with attacking Russia and not with resisting Nazis - a fatal miscalculation caused by their historical traumas. In Munich 1938 UK-France openly betrayed Czecho-Slovakia. Poland and Hungary quickly joined and grabbed territories.

    Munich was the seminal point of WW2 - and it happened at the beginning. The collapse of Poland, UK-France not fighting and the M-R treaty in 1939, were inevitable after UK-France-Poland's betrayal in Munich.

    Russia offered to defend Czecho-Slovakia, but it required transit through Poland and Poles refused. That tells us all we need to know about the Polish intentions. The millions of dead, including Poles followed. But the Poles never learned.

    Czechs and Slovaks survived WW2, we made our arrangements after being betrayed. The Slovak uprising in 1944 showed what we could had done if not betrayed by the West. The treatment of Jews was not up to the Nazi satellites. It was a core point of Nazism and they insisted. France, Holland, Hungary, Greece - all did it. The details and timing vary, but Germany ultimately made all the decisions.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard

  732. @John Johnson
    @A123

    Increase. Only vile Leftoids believe in Nazi black skirt swastika judges.

    So if Trump catches a felony on taking home classified documents you actually believe it would boost his reputation with independents? How?

    If you found out your neighbor took home cases of Federal documents would that increase his reputation with you? Do people normally think..........so that guy is actually a felon now.....I like it.

    Trump Bests Biden in Key Swing States in 3rd Poll This Week

    Yes I already mentioned that. Trump is only taking independents because Biden is in the tank. It's a battle of the losers. It isn't as if Trump is gaining popularity outside of the MAGA crowd.

    It's another turd sandwich vs giant douche election.

    What if Trump catches a late felony and that is enough to put the giant douche over the edge?

    Makes more sense for the GOP to run someone less polarizing if the goal is to remove Biden.

    Independents hate both candidates. They view Biden as too old and Trump as an asshole.

    There is also the possibility of Trump getting jail time. Then what? Trump gives his inauguration speech from prison?

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack, @Supply and Demand

    Increase. Only vile Leftoids believe in Nazi black skirt swastika judges.

    So if Trump catches a felony on taking home classified documents you actually believe it would boost his reputation with independents? How?

    Fascist fake judges screaming their blood lust and eternal devotion for Adolf SJW Hitler are unappealing to all rational people, including moderates.

    Obvious unwarranted persecution brings support to God & Country, including Trump. Again, this is obvious and inevitable. Why are you asking such self answering questions? And, then getting the wrong results?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    Fascist fake judges screaming their blood lust and eternal devotion for Adolf SJW Hitler are unappealing to all rational people, including moderates.

    You really should spend some time around normal people. They would find that statement to be batsh-t crazy. They also generally support laws like making sure you leave classified documents at work.

    A felony charge is not going to help Trump.

    Obvious unwarranted persecution brings support to God & Country, including Trump. Again, this is obvious and inevitable. Why are you asking such self answering questions? And, then getting the wrong results?

    It's MAGA that had the wrong results in the last election. This same type of denial and group think is what led to Biden as president.

    Trump would be president if had shored up support with independents instead of listening to his base.

  733. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/thulean-friend-on-israels-prospects/


    https://youtu.be/JpR9Rb6fPNE?si=Nyhsyqn2cNkV1Upv

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Thulean was sometimes a very good or logical commentator. He replies to some post I had written by summarizing from a new research article by “Shoresh institute”, which indicated about how strong the brain-drain pattern was in Israel. https://shoresh.institute/archive.php?f=research-paper-eng-emigration.pdf

  734. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Good points.


    without considering Russian-Japanese relations in the long term.
     
    Let's go back further. Li Hongzhang secretly signed off territorial privileges in Manchuria to Russia in 1896

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0_%D0%BE_%D0%9A%D0%92%D0%96%D0%94_1896_%D0%B3..jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li–Lobanov_Treaty

    Then Russia annexed Manchuria and refused to vacate after the Eight Nations campaign. Nicholas refused Japan's proposal for Korea-Manchuria exchange.

    When Russo-Japanese War broke out, Qing was officially neutral, but definitely wanted Japan to remove Russia from Manchuria.

    The Japanese did not know about Li–Lobanov Treaty. Yuan Shikai annuled it and secretly supported Japan against Russia.

    Are we in agreement?

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Then Russia annexed Manchuria and refused to vacate

    The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.

    [MORE]

    Both amazing cities!

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    And merely 24 years later at the same spot. Except this time it's China not Japan that backs up Czechoslovakia.


    The People's Republic of China objected furiously to the so-called Brezhnev Doctrine, which declared the Soviet Union alone had the right to determine what nations were properly Communist and could invade those Communist nations whose communism did not meet the Kremlin's approval.[5]

    Mao Zedong saw the Brezhnev doctrine as the ideological justification for a would-be Soviet invasion of China and launched a massive propaganda campaign condemning the invasion of Czechoslovakia, despite his own earlier opposition to the Prague Spring.[95]

    Speaking at a banquet held at the Romanian Embassy in Beijing on 23 August 1968, the Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai denounced the Soviet Union for "fascist politics, great power chauvinism, national egoism and social imperialism", going on to compare the invasion of Czechoslovakia to the American war in Vietnam and more pointedly to the policies of Adolf Hitler towards Czechoslovakia in 1938–39.[5]
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact_invasion_of_Czechoslovakia


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D1%83_%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D0%94%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9.png

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Captured_T-62_tank.jpg

    The Soviet T-62 tank that was captured by the Chinese during the 1969 clash is now on display at the Military Museum of the Chinese People's Revolution.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

  735. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    Interestingly enough, though, had Poland really been determined to resist the Nazis, then a Soviet alliance in 1939 along with its Anglo-French alliances would have been by far the best option in hindsight. Poland in 1945 would have ended up in the same position that it was in real life, but with much fewer Polish, Jewish, and Soviet lives lost, and possibly with much fewer German lives lost as well.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …had Poland really been determined to resist the Nazis, then a Soviet alliance in 1939 along with its Anglo-French alliances would have been by far the best option in hindsight. Poland in 1945…

    Poland was obsessed with attacking Russia and not with resisting Nazis – a fatal miscalculation caused by their historical traumas. In Munich 1938 UK-France openly betrayed Czecho-Slovakia. Poland and Hungary quickly joined and grabbed territories.

    Munich was the seminal point of WW2 – and it happened at the beginning. The collapse of Poland, UK-France not fighting and the M-R treaty in 1939, were inevitable after UK-France-Poland’s betrayal in Munich.

    Russia offered to defend Czecho-Slovakia, but it required transit through Poland and Poles refused. That tells us all we need to know about the Polish intentions. The millions of dead, including Poles followed. But the Poles never learned.

    Czechs and Slovaks survived WW2, we made our arrangements after being betrayed. The Slovak uprising in 1944 showed what we could had done if not betrayed by the West. The treatment of Jews was not up to the Nazi satellites. It was a core point of Nazism and they insisted. France, Holland, Hungary, Greece – all did it. The details and timing vary, but Germany ultimately made all the decisions.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    FWIW, there could have been logic in having Poland allow Soviet troops to transit through its territory to help protect Czechoslovakia but only if the Anglo-French would promise in writing beforehand that they would go to war to expel the USSR from Poland after the end of the war if the USSR will refuse to leave Poland voluntarily. The risk of the USSR refusing to leave Poland for decades was very real, after all, as 1945-1989 ultimately showed us.


    France, Holland, Hungary, Greece – all did it.
     
    75% of French Jews survived the Holocaust. The Netherlands and Greece were directly occupied by the Nazis and did not have collaborationist governments. Hungary's Jews were spared en masse until Hungary tried backstabbing Hitler by making a separate peace with the Allies in 1944. Hungary should not have done this. Hungary was a military pipsqueak and by doing this it did not significantly help the Allied war effort in any war, but simply unnecessarily endangered the lives of its own Jews en masse.

    Hitler did not compel Romania and Bulgaria to mass murder their Jews, though Romania did so voluntarily to a huge extent outside of its late 1940 borders (but not within its late 1940 borders) and Bulgaria voluntarily did so in Macedonia (but not in Bulgaria proper).

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow


    It was a core point of Nazism and they insisted.
     
    Did they insist the Slovaks massacre 'em?

    Did they insist the Ukrainians kill 'em?

    Did they insist the Poles finish 'em off?

    Maybe. The internet demands to know this dammit. Sort of. It was 80 years ago man. We could possibly give it a rest. Winter is on the way. If it gets really cold gas is going through the ceiling.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  736. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Oh, she was playing him like a fiddle…they can be dangerous if one is a fool. And most Nazis were fools. I am not sure the concept of love comes into it…but it was kind of euro: elegant and trashy at the same time…:)
     
    Well, it looks like it was more serious than simply a fling. Of course, he approached her first (he was immediately infatuated with her). And, of course, she derived benefits from it for her performances (media connections). But I think he may have made her get used to this (and his care) and then when Germany was going to annex Sudetenland, and when Magda started objecting, he had to let her go. Then everything went downhill for her (but at least it wasn't as bad as for the women that Beria used to date rape). So the Nazis did take advantage of her.

    Although I must say that the Führer interfering, with a stern and fatherly hand, is somewhat admirable - that he was able to protect and defend Magda (and her children) as well as handle this kind of a thing (when he isn't even supposed to be dealing with this kind of stuff), in such a careful, yet determined way, speaks well for his character. Had never noticed that side of him before. He must've had good social skills.

    By the way, during WW2 the Czech film studios in Barrandov next to Prague were quite something: in the occupied country they offered both culture and R&R to Germans, busily produced the required propaganda, and were the premier party location in Central Europe for a good time.

     

    Yes, I see that those traditions run deep. :) But it is kind of cool in a way, at least the studios were busy and developed.

    Quite a story, but he was too drunk most of the time to write it. Instead he penned his retarded absurdist plays.
     
    LOL. Yes, that's quite a story. But I don't think you should judge him too harshly for what his uncle was doing. These kind of nepotistic familial things happen everywhere. Probably happened even in the Nordic countries back in the day. It's human nature - you always want best for the kids.

    Havel family’s Nazi collaboration history was not well known in the West. Or was it, and it was a plus? I am not sure anymore…
     
    Do not get all "conspiratorial" now - I think we have enough of those here. :)

    Btw, I liked Karlovi Vary very much when I was there. Especially the warm open air pool during winter. Nice contrast.

    Replies: @AP, @Beckow

    Führer was a puritan, that was a big part of his problem. I am not sure that is so admirable.

    So the Nazis did take advantage of her.

    It was mutual…plus they had those shiny uniforms, how could she resist?

    you should judge him too harshly for what his uncle was doing.

    I don’t judge him, it was before my time anyway. But Havel’s plays are unwatchable and the one movie he made is literally the worst movie ever made – even his admirers admit it. Havel benefitted tremendously from his Nazi-collaborator family’s wealth and connections. Under the commies his family still kept a huge Prague center apartment that came very handy: he could hold artistic parties. He never went to university and not because of restrictions, he was simply too stupid and spaced-out so he started as a theatre stage hand. His brother was a Charles’s Univ. professor and there were no restrictions on them studying, Vaclav was just lazy.

    We are still amused by how he acquired his status in the West. But looking at Zelko, the Westerners are not too squishy about who they promote. As long as they serve.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Beckow

    Once I stumbled upon a house near Tanecni Dum (Dancing House) in Prague which was build either by Vaclav father or grandfather (there is a plaque inside). It faces Veltava. It made me aware it was a rich family, a fact somehow downplayed by Vaclav.
    Moreover, maybe Havel family was somehow connected to freemasonry and its secret strings of power...
    I am still amazed by their tombstone, so masonic in shape!

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/V%C3%A1clav_Havel-hrob%2C_H%C5%99bitov_Vinohrady_04.jpg

    Prague was one of centers of Rosicrucians, alchemists, and other secret societies etc, not only because of the emperor Rudolph. You can see alchemists symbols like Sun & Moon here and there in Prague.


    Hermetic symbolism very close to Vaclavske Namesti in Prague:

    https://pragitecture.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/28.-rijna-37815-the-golden-hive.jpg

    Replies: @Beckow

  737. @AP
    @Beckow


    If Kiev loses the war there will be a change in government.
     
    Unless Russia occupies the country (the original goal), it won't be a pro-Russian government.

    All the things you list are either unsupported projections
     
    What do you think full deNazification means, in the context when the Russian government called the Ukrainian government as being full of Nazis?

    or things any decent government should do anyway, like give minority schools to Russians
     
    Neither the largest and most populous Western Democracy, the USA, nor the second largest and most populous country in Europe, France, has these.

    But you prefer the Baltic way
     
    The French way, though Ukraine was milder than the French because the Ukrainians allowed primary schools in minority languages.

    On the nature of the war, you and I agree. But based on the overall forces and the fact that it is also a ‘domestic’ war for Russia – they see it that way
     
    Russians see Crimea as domestic but they don't see Kherson or even Donbas as domestic. They could care less about those places.

    But based on the overall forces and the fact that it is also a ‘domestic’ war for Russia – they see it that way – the odds are very high that if one side wins it will be Russia. I used to think it is 80-20 in Russia’s favor, I would up that after the failed Kiev offensive to 85-15. What do you think? (And don’t do 50-50, that simply says “I don’t know’).
     
    50/50 as I describe it doesn't mean "I don't know."

    I am rather certain that Ukraine will be unable to take Donetsk and urban Donbas, and that Russia will be unable to take Odessa, or the eastern half of the country, or to capture Kiev.

    But I do not know whether or not Ukraine will be able to break the current territorial stalemate and liberate the Crimean corridor, or even to take Crimea itself if it manages to liberate the corridor.

    As for "winning", it depends on different factors and each side will redefine "win" to suit its propaganda purposes. Russia set out to implement regime change in Ukraine, demilitarize it, purge it of Ukrainian nationalism, and bring Ukraine to a Belarus-like state, but having failed to do that, if it manages to keep the parts of Kherson and Zaporizhia oblasts that connect Crimea to Russia it will proclaim that it has won.

    I think:

    A stalemate at the current line could be a Ukrainian win, depending on other conditions - Ukraine gets fast-tracked into EU, keeps its massive military (and/or gets under the NATO umbrella), keeps the $300 billion in frozen Russian assets to rebuild, runs its schools etc. as it likes, and in exchange Russia keeps the lands it has taken and loses the sanctions. In this case, neither side would get what it wanted but each side would get something but on balance Ukraine gets more than it loses, so a slight win for Ukraine, though interpreting this as a draw would not be unreasonable.

    A deal like above, but Russia only keeps the 2014-2022 territory (or even loses some of it) and gets them formally recognized would be a clear Ukrainian win.

    Russia significantly taking more lands than it has now (a few towns doesn't count - but if takes Odessa or Kharkiv regions) and/or the conditions not applying (no money for rebuilding what Russia wrecked, no EU prospects, Russia restricting Ukraine somehow) would make it a Russian win.

    Russia defeating the Ukrainian military and forcing it to retreat to the Carpathians and occupying Kiev and installing a puppet regime - the original plan - would be a clear Russian win.

    I don't think the odds of anything have changed much from summer, because Ukraine has not used up most of the forces it had accumulated and because Russia is being attrited at a higher rate than Ukraine is now. I had earlier predicted 50/50 chance of stalemate versus liberation of the Crimean corridor. It is probably about the same now, maybe stalemate is a bit higher than 50% - maybe 55.45.

    If Ukraine takes the Crimea corridor, this unlocks a ~50% chance of taking Crimea too.

    So:

    55% chance of stalemate at current lines, give or take a dozen towns and villages
    25% chance Ukraine retakes Crimean corridor only
    20% chance Ukraine takes both Crimean corridor and large parts of Crimea, perhaps all of it

    To be pedantic - I would add - 1% chance of Russia grabbing a lot more territory (such as reaching Odessa, or taking the eastern half of the country), .5% chance of Ukraine retaking all of its lands or Russia withdrawing all the way back to its 1991 borders (maybe due to a revolution or something).

    Ukrainians are fighting for their homes, so they will last longer

    What if they don’t? You have nothing but your wishful thinking to back that up
     
    I have a record of predicting what Ukrainians would do, you have a record of predicting the opposite.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    BTW, off-topic, but I did some additional thinking and concluded that Ukraine under Russian rule (had Russia actually succeeded in conquering most or all of Ukraine) might have looked much like France did under the Vichy regime. In other words, there would have been a low-level resistance with assassinations, terrorist bombings, road/railroad sabotage, et cetera, but also some collaborators and with this resistance being too weak to overthrow the puppet pro-Russian Ukrainian government by itself. Instead, there would simply be a permanent low-level headache. But I’m unsure that this would have actually been enough to compel Russia to withdraw from Ukraine in such a scenario. Russia might view a constantly bleeding pro-Russian Ukraine as superior to a non-bleeding but pro-Western Ukraine, after all.

    Of course, I do think that Novorossiya under Russian rule would have looked more like Czechia under Nazi rule. It’s the center and west of Ukraine under Russian rule that would have looked more like Vichy France.

  738. @Mikel
    @Dmitry


    In the First World, the social norm for the speaking is the view “if we killed civilians, this is a crime we should try to avoid or hide”.
     
    I guess this is generally true but there's quite a lot to comment on here.

    First, the deeds. In spite of these very real scruples, the truth of the matter is that First World countries have historically caused the largest amount of civilian casualties in their wars, even after becoming "First World". To some extent, this is a product of their technical superiority but still there is a glaring paradox there.

    The second thing to consider, that I think explains much of what's going on in the world right now, is that the scruples against killing civilians are not equally distributed around the First World. The US, in particular, continues to be a rather violent society. As usual in America, things are complicated. They gave the world the pacifist movement of the 60s-70s, for example. But the act of killing scores of civilians in their military operations abroad is pretty much normalized. I think it's more or less socially accepted that that's what the US sometimes "has to do", to bring order to the world. And it's actually deeper than that, I think. Americans largely accept that their own children must periodically die in horrific, senseless, school shootings because the alternative would be giving up the second amendment, which is unthinkable. I personally like my weapons and having the right to posses them but I wasn't born in the US and even though, statistically, the chances of my child dying in a school shooting are very small, I'd gladly give them up in exchange for having the security that something so horrible would never happen to us.

    There are of course clear historical reasons for all of this. The US is a frontier country, where I can understand why the right to bear arms was considered necessary, and also it had to fight for its independence, a feat that is still very celebrated. I suppose people in Canada or Australia, where independence was achieved peacefully and the conquest of the territory was much less brutal, are less prone to violence in general.

    Then there's the Germans. These days they have clearly become indistinguishable from their Western European neighbors but they were already a First World country when they embarked in the WW2 adventure, not exactly an example of "trying to avoid or hide" the killing of civilians. To some extent, they did try to hide some of their worst atrocities but their will to expel/enslave/annihilate members of "inferior races" was very much in the open.

    And then we have Eastern Europe, which is still a bit of a black box to me. I'm not really sure how people in EE regard certain things but it's actually quite ironic that one of the few places where you can quite openly discuss things like the killing of civilians in Donbas in 2014-2015 is this blog, full of people with EE roots. As is logical, I have talked about the war in Ukraine with a number of people in real life over the past 2 years and one thing I have found is that you have to be very careful to mention the killing of civilians in Donbas by their own government. People can react negatively and stare at you wondering if you are a conspiracy theorist who has been reading too much Russian propaganda. They just don't know that such a thing happened at all. I don't know exactly how it happened but the fact is that Western media were initially kind of open about what was going on in Donbas in 2014 but then they switched the narrative to all atrocities being caused by the Russians and that's the message that stuck with people who get all their information form the MSM and were not particularly interested anyway (about ~90% of the population in the West). A clear example of "if we have to do it let's try to hide it from the populace".

    By contrast, in a blog like this I find that I don't need to beat around the bush and I can openly talk about those events because almost everybody knows that the Ukrainian government did resort to shelling its own civilian areas. However, here the problem is different. Some people with EE roots, perhaps more those hailing from the ex-USSR, seem to find it inconceivable that someone may be genuinely opposed to the killing of Ukrainians by their own government unless he is somehow a Putin admirer. And the message I keep getting when the issue comes up is that those killings were not so extraordinary anyway. Poroshenko had to do it.

    My tentative interpretation of all this is that people in the West are generally less willing to accept atrocities and civilian casualties and when they have to happen for some "greater good", TPTB try to hide them, while they highlight and even exaggerate them when they want people to strongly oppose a certain enemy. But Americans and EEs don't probably need as much media manipulation as the rest of the First World in this particular respect.

    Let's take Israel, for example. They have definitely killed more civilians than Poroshenko (though very likely less than Putin in the SMO) but we're talking about the same order of magnitude. Even a country with Israel's influence cannot get away with it easily because these attacks are impossible to hide so many people in the West start opposing Israel quite strongly, especially outside of the US. And you don't see much opposition to Israel in EE either. I think something similar would have happened in Donbas in 2014-2015 if the media coverage would have been similar to Gaza. Alas, it wasn't.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry

    historical reasons for all of this. The US is a frontier country,

    I don’t think “Americans kill more civilians” because they are a frontier culture.

    It’s partly because they are by far the most powerful country in the world, also since 1945 probably trying to reduce ground operations because of the need of politicians in the democratic society to have low deaths of soldiers.

    So, instead of the ground operation, they sometimes use weapons which allow them greater distance so they reduce their soldiers’ deaths. This is the drone attacks in Pakistan, artillery against ISIS. Even in the Vietnam war, most of the killing was probably from the aviation attacks, not ground forces.

    In 1945, maybe it was also result of the American scientific advances, which allowed them to win the war destroying civilian cities, without a ground operation.

    First World countries have historically caused the largest amount of civilian casualties in their wars, even after becoming “First World”.

    They have most of the military power, so the variables are not controlled.

    The comparison would be if you give the same quantity power to the third world countries, the situation would be safer? Would it be the same? More dangerous?.

    I think something similar would have happened in Donbas in 2014-2015 if the media coverage would have been similar to Gaza. Alas, it wasn’t.

    Media coverage is disproportionate and it’s determined by some subjective or political reasons, not objectively.

    For example, Egypt had a larger war in the Sinai than Israel since 1982 until 2023, but there is nowhere to read about this in the media. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinai_insurgency Even though this is a few kilometers from Gaza, Egyptian army fighting against similar Muslim Brotherhood related groups as Hamas.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Dmitry


    I don’t think “Americans kill more civilians” because they are a frontier culture.
     
    I wouldn't say that Americans have a higher propensity to kill civilians than others (eg Russians or Ukrainians) in their military operations but, as you say, they carry out many more such operations in the attempt to be the arbiter of all conflicts and the act of killing innocent people in those interventions has become quite normalized. You don't see a lot of guilt in the American society for having killed hundreds of thousands of civilians abroad in the past decades. You hear much more about feelings of guilt for America's past of racial or sexual discrimination, and such leftists talking points.

    But I do think that the frontier culture has a lot to do with the differences I clearly observe between Western Europe and the US. There is a gun culture here that is totally absent in Western Europe and you frequently hear about crimes like shootings and people killing their own families that are extremely rare in Europe (outside of Gypsy communities). This happens even in relatively peaceful places with rather low levels of criminality like Utah. The situation in some enclaves all around the US is of course much worse and could almost be described as a latent armed conflict with thousands of victims every year. It don't think it would be realistic to think that in a country where people are used to live with this reality of so many countrymen dying to violence you can expect the same level of sensibility to innocent people dying abroad as you find in countries where violence is much lower.

    That's in fact what I've observed a couple of times when talking to Americans about foreign armed conflicts. One of them had a lot of trouble understanding why I opposed the armed groups in the Basque Country, even though I did support independence. I guess the Hollywood movie mentality also played a role in this particular instance.


    The comparison would be if you give the same quantity power to the third world countries, the situation would be safer? Would it be the same? More dangerous?
     
    The massacres of the Hutus-Tutsis or the Hamas attacks on October 7th suggest that it would be much worse. But I'm not entirely sure, to be honest. There is a reason why these societies never achieved the same technological and organizational levels and a manifestation of that is low impulse control. These are societies where people live "the moment" much more than in the highly civilized ones. The Hamas terrorists committed unspeakable atrocities but then, past the moment of high emotion, they decided to treat their hostages well (according to some of the latter's own testimony) because "we are Muslims". It doesn't make too much sense. It's not even clear that the October 7th attacks had any concrete goal or that their perpetrators thought too much about what all that violence would lead to.

    In Chile (and likely other Latin American countries) people use a very racist expression for the act of becoming unconscionably violent. It could be loosely translated as "the Indian awoke on him" (se le bajó el indio). A long time ago a Chilean told me that I should stay clear from any of his low-class compatriots where the "Indian had awoken". He would just try to cause me maximum harm and forget about all consequences to himself. He wouldn't even care if he ended up killed. It wasn't easy to imagine such a behavior but yes, as I found out later in a couple of occasions, this is exactly how they sometimes behave, even though most of the time they could even look like normal, good-natured people. The idea that all human groups have similar behavioral patterns doesn't resist contact with reality.

    So perhaps what we would see in Third World societies with fire power comparable to the First World ones is bouts of extreme violence followed by periods of more moderation. It's not like people in 3rd World countries are killing each other non-stop. They have their own religious and social mechanisms of violence control. And it's not like there aren't plenty of 3rd World countries with very powerful armed forces. However, with the lack of information that, as you say, we have about many of their conflicts, it would appear that the methodical, elaborate course of action of civilized countries once they decide to lose their moral constraints may ultimately lead to a higher count of innocent victims.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  739. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...had Poland really been determined to resist the Nazis, then a Soviet alliance in 1939 along with its Anglo-French alliances would have been by far the best option in hindsight. Poland in 1945...
     
    Poland was obsessed with attacking Russia and not with resisting Nazis - a fatal miscalculation caused by their historical traumas. In Munich 1938 UK-France openly betrayed Czecho-Slovakia. Poland and Hungary quickly joined and grabbed territories.

    Munich was the seminal point of WW2 - and it happened at the beginning. The collapse of Poland, UK-France not fighting and the M-R treaty in 1939, were inevitable after UK-France-Poland's betrayal in Munich.

    Russia offered to defend Czecho-Slovakia, but it required transit through Poland and Poles refused. That tells us all we need to know about the Polish intentions. The millions of dead, including Poles followed. But the Poles never learned.

    Czechs and Slovaks survived WW2, we made our arrangements after being betrayed. The Slovak uprising in 1944 showed what we could had done if not betrayed by the West. The treatment of Jews was not up to the Nazi satellites. It was a core point of Nazism and they insisted. France, Holland, Hungary, Greece - all did it. The details and timing vary, but Germany ultimately made all the decisions.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard

    FWIW, there could have been logic in having Poland allow Soviet troops to transit through its territory to help protect Czechoslovakia but only if the Anglo-French would promise in writing beforehand that they would go to war to expel the USSR from Poland after the end of the war if the USSR will refuse to leave Poland voluntarily. The risk of the USSR refusing to leave Poland for decades was very real, after all, as 1945-1989 ultimately showed us.

    France, Holland, Hungary, Greece – all did it.

    75% of French Jews survived the Holocaust. The Netherlands and Greece were directly occupied by the Nazis and did not have collaborationist governments. Hungary’s Jews were spared en masse until Hungary tried backstabbing Hitler by making a separate peace with the Allies in 1944. Hungary should not have done this. Hungary was a military pipsqueak and by doing this it did not significantly help the Allied war effort in any war, but simply unnecessarily endangered the lives of its own Jews en masse.

    Hitler did not compel Romania and Bulgaria to mass murder their Jews, though Romania did so voluntarily to a huge extent outside of its late 1940 borders (but not within its late 1940 borders) and Bulgaria voluntarily did so in Macedonia (but not in Bulgaria proper).

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Anglo-French would promise in writing beforehand that they would go to war to expel the USSR from Poland
     
    Anglo-French were in no mood to fight Germany or Russia in the late 1930's and their promises are not worth the paper they are on. They wanted Germany and Russia to fight, that required Czecho-Slovakia and Poland be sacrificed with all the consequences.

    You complaining that Czechs and Slovaks also made accommodations with Germany after the Munich betrayal is way off. Let us understand: Anglos and French can do self-preservation but we can't? Quite similar to Ukraine today: people like you always talk big and then ask others to do the sacrifices.

    Your short-hand description of what happened in WW2 is selectively wrong. For example in France most Jews who were not pre-war French citizens were killed. And Hungary hardly wanted to switch sides - they tried to negotiate a better post-WW2 deal. It backfired. Romania was incredibly brutal on its own, doing some of the worst massacres in Ukraine. Czechia had no agency in WW2, blaming them is silly - they only wanted to survive and mostly did. As always they showed a level of brown-nosing to authority that is specifically Czech - they excel in it. Slovakia had almost no agency, due to its small size and proximity to Germany it had fewer choices than other countries, e.g. Bulgaria.

    The reality is that if Germany had prevailed, or even held on to most of the territories they occupied (or allied with), they would destroy all Jewish communities - and a few others. The only thing that stopped it was the Russian decisive victory. Not the Anglos, not US, nor "resistance" - but Red Army. It is puzzling that you refuse to accept that and show minimal gratitude.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  740. @Greasy William
    @AP

    Zelensky showed genuine heroism in the early days of the war, but his behavior since then has been bizarre and off putting

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  741. @AP
    @Dmitry


    There’s also definitely significantly more women in the street than men
     
    More, but doesn’t seem like a large discrepancy.

    It’s funny street music they play at 8:15 is “Hevenu Shalom Alechem”, Hasidic music in the plaza where there is a UPA flag
     
    There are Jewish soldiers with UPA flags on their uniforms, why not? Modern Ukrainian ideas of UPA don’t correspond to the historical reality. But then neither to Soviet claims about them.

    Last time I was in Lviv, in 2017, people were playing interpretations of 80s Russian rock on acoustic instruments on the main market square on a warm summer night.

    In a country with 40 million people, even if there were 50,000 casualties, it wouldn’t be something you could see on the streets
     
    Of course. My point is that Russian propagandists are claiming 300,000 or more Ukrainian dead which would mean another 700,000 (at least) injured. Add several 100,000s in the military and one would expect to see very few men in the streets at all. Given the mass number of injured that would accompany 300,000 dead, one would also expect to see a large number of crippled people. Russians also claim that the Ukrainian army is so desperate for more troops and running out of them that it is commonplace for military recruiters m to hunt down any man they can find and send him to the front.

    Instead, there are indeed fewer men than women but it looks fairly normal. Plenty of men around. Nobody is running from the police.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Lviv 2023:

    It’s funny street music they play at 8:15 is “Hevenu Shalom Alechem”, Hasidic music in the plaza where there is a UPA flag

    There are Jewish soldiers with UPA flags on their uniforms, why not?

    I was reading Wikipedia says in 2022 German choirs were singing it for Ukrainian refugees.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hevenu_shalom_aleichem#Uses:~:text=in%202019.%5B25%5D-,The%20song%20was%20suggested,all%20the%20flowers%20gone%22. One of the unpredicted uses I would have not guessed.

  742. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    The first thing Japan did after capturing Singapore in 1942 was to round-up the local bolshevik government and reopen capitalist street shacks that the bloody commies shut down.
     
    Eh, what? Commie government in a British crown colony? Who knew...
    No idea what you could even be thinking of. Shanghai and other Chinese cities on the coast weren't run by commies either when the Japanese invaded.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Bromance must’ve assumed the late Governors of the Straits Settlements were all members of the Fabian Society.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenton_Thomas

  743. Japan’s slow-motion train-wreck is speeding up as the yen crashes below 150 per dollar. A level not seen since the 1980’s bubble era.

    What’s happening in Japan is a zombie economy built on government spending and zero interest rates is driving investors overseas for higher returns.

    This is crashing the yen, raising the price of imported energy and food by 50%. Which is brutal considering Japan imports 2/3 of its food and over 90% of its energy.

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  744. Japan’s slow-motion train-wreck is speeding up as the yen crashes below 150 per dollar. A level not seen since the 1980’s bubble era.

    What’s happening in Japan is a zombie economy built on government spending and zero interest rates is driving investors overseas for higher returns.

    This is crashing the yen, raising the price of imported energy and food by 50%. Which is brutal considering Japan imports 2/3 of its food and over 90% of its energy.

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    Japan and China have agreed to start export control dialogue, Yomiuri reports.

    😂

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Some say that Japan didn't really begin exporting its culture significantly until after the bubble, when they were poorer and hungrier. (Though, I suppose that would have been coincident with their demographic peak.)

    During this time, they were very naive in their business dealings in selling distribution rights in America and often made quite bad deals, when you consider the money that some properties brought in.

    One guy who really got them good:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_R._Kahn

  745. @John Johnson
    @A123

    Increase. Only vile Leftoids believe in Nazi black skirt swastika judges.

    So if Trump catches a felony on taking home classified documents you actually believe it would boost his reputation with independents? How?

    If you found out your neighbor took home cases of Federal documents would that increase his reputation with you? Do people normally think..........so that guy is actually a felon now.....I like it.

    Trump Bests Biden in Key Swing States in 3rd Poll This Week

    Yes I already mentioned that. Trump is only taking independents because Biden is in the tank. It's a battle of the losers. It isn't as if Trump is gaining popularity outside of the MAGA crowd.

    It's another turd sandwich vs giant douche election.

    What if Trump catches a late felony and that is enough to put the giant douche over the edge?

    Makes more sense for the GOP to run someone less polarizing if the goal is to remove Biden.

    Independents hate both candidates. They view Biden as too old and Trump as an asshole.

    There is also the possibility of Trump getting jail time. Then what? Trump gives his inauguration speech from prison?

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack, @Supply and Demand

    There is also the possibility of Trump getting jail time. Then what? Trump gives his inauguration speech from prison?

    Not to worry. Like the poor fools that followed Trump around on January6, kremlinstoogeA123 will try to save his new Christian savior, even from the gates of hell:
    kremlnstoogeA123’s birthday present forTrump 🙂

  746. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    FWIW, there could have been logic in having Poland allow Soviet troops to transit through its territory to help protect Czechoslovakia but only if the Anglo-French would promise in writing beforehand that they would go to war to expel the USSR from Poland after the end of the war if the USSR will refuse to leave Poland voluntarily. The risk of the USSR refusing to leave Poland for decades was very real, after all, as 1945-1989 ultimately showed us.


    France, Holland, Hungary, Greece – all did it.
     
    75% of French Jews survived the Holocaust. The Netherlands and Greece were directly occupied by the Nazis and did not have collaborationist governments. Hungary's Jews were spared en masse until Hungary tried backstabbing Hitler by making a separate peace with the Allies in 1944. Hungary should not have done this. Hungary was a military pipsqueak and by doing this it did not significantly help the Allied war effort in any war, but simply unnecessarily endangered the lives of its own Jews en masse.

    Hitler did not compel Romania and Bulgaria to mass murder their Jews, though Romania did so voluntarily to a huge extent outside of its late 1940 borders (but not within its late 1940 borders) and Bulgaria voluntarily did so in Macedonia (but not in Bulgaria proper).

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Anglo-French would promise in writing beforehand that they would go to war to expel the USSR from Poland

    Anglo-French were in no mood to fight Germany or Russia in the late 1930’s and their promises are not worth the paper they are on. They wanted Germany and Russia to fight, that required Czecho-Slovakia and Poland be sacrificed with all the consequences.

    You complaining that Czechs and Slovaks also made accommodations with Germany after the Munich betrayal is way off. Let us understand: Anglos and French can do self-preservation but we can’t? Quite similar to Ukraine today: people like you always talk big and then ask others to do the sacrifices.

    Your short-hand description of what happened in WW2 is selectively wrong. For example in France most Jews who were not pre-war French citizens were killed. And Hungary hardly wanted to switch sides – they tried to negotiate a better post-WW2 deal. It backfired. Romania was incredibly brutal on its own, doing some of the worst massacres in Ukraine. Czechia had no agency in WW2, blaming them is silly – they only wanted to survive and mostly did. As always they showed a level of brown-nosing to authority that is specifically Czech – they excel in it. Slovakia had almost no agency, due to its small size and proximity to Germany it had fewer choices than other countries, e.g. Bulgaria.

    The reality is that if Germany had prevailed, or even held on to most of the territories they occupied (or allied with), they would destroy all Jewish communities – and a few others. The only thing that stopped it was the Russian decisive victory. Not the Anglos, not US, nor “resistance” – but Red Army. It is puzzling that you refuse to accept that and show minimal gratitude.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    Anglo-French were in no mood to fight Germany or Russia in the late 1930’s and their promises are not worth the paper they are on. They wanted Germany and Russia to fight, that required Czecho-Slovakia and Poland be sacrificed with all the consequences.
     
    Yes, it's entirely possible that similar logic to that which is used to justify denying aid to Ukraine right now could have also been used to justify allowing Hitler to expand eastwards in the 1930s. After all, Hitler and the Nazis were going to have a giant headache for decades afterwards and having the West preserve semi-normal relations with Nazi Germany could have discouraged the Nazis from engaging in mass murder (as opposed to mass deportations, which the Nazis would have been very eager to do). And the West could have even aggressively funded anti-Nazi insurgencies in Eastern Europe.

    You complaining that Czechs and Slovaks also made accommodations with Germany after the Munich betrayal is way off. Let us understand: Anglos and French can do self-preservation but we can’t? Quite similar to Ukraine today: people like you always talk big and then ask others to do the sacrifices.

     

    Unlike AP, I don't complain about Czechs and Slovaks collaborating with the Nazis, other than in regards to Slovakia handing over most of its Jews to the Nazis.

    Your short-hand description of what happened in WW2 is selectively wrong. For example in France most Jews who were not pre-war French citizens were killed.
     
    Not "most" but almost half. 45% if I recall correctly. And that was due to Vichy not being as willing to protect them. (The equivalent figure for native French Jews was 9% IIRC.)

    And Hungary hardly wanted to switch sides – they tried to negotiate a better post-WW2 deal.
     
    That might very well be true (they very likely wanted the Allies to let them keep some of their Hitler-era territorial gains), but that still doesn't negate the fact that they condemned most of their Jews to mass murder at Nazi hands, with the help of plenty of Hungarian collaborators.

    Romania was incredibly brutal on its own, doing some of the worst massacres in Ukraine.
     
    Yes, which was extraordinarily tragic and a massive genocidal crime against humanity. Though on the bright side the almost 300,000 Jews of the Romanian Old Kingdom territories (plus southern Transylvania's couple dozen thousand Jews) were mostly saved due to Ion Antonescu making a last-minute decision to indefinitely postpone their deportations (thus ensuring that they wouldn't happen).

    Czechia had no agency in WW2, blaming them is silly – they only wanted to survive and mostly did. As always they showed a level of brown-nosing to authority that is specifically Czech – they excel in it.
     
    Yep; correct! They were prepared to fight the Nazis in 1938 but the Western Allies let them down.

    Slovakia had almost no agency, due to its small size and proximity to Germany it had fewer choices than other countries, e.g. Bulgaria.
     
    Slovakia paid the Nazis to accept its own deported Jews. That doesn't sound like no agency to me.

    The reality is that if Germany had prevailed, or even held on to most of the territories they occupied (or allied with), they would destroy all Jewish communities – and a few others. The only thing that stopped it was the Russian decisive victory. Not the Anglos, not US, nor “resistance” – but Red Army. It is puzzling that you refuse to accept that and show minimal gratitude.
     
    Had the Nazis won a long WWII, then likely Yes. But had the Nazis quickly won WWII, the Jews would have likely been deported somewhere en masse rather than mass murdered, at least not anywhere to the same scale as in real life. The Nazis only settled on mass murdering the Jews in late 1941, once it became clear that they could not quickly win the war.

    Replies: @Beckow

  747. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    OK this one is even funnier than the other one.

    We really need an accounting of who did how much excess butchery 80 years ago. It will finish the most important phase of internet fight ONCE AND FOR ALL.

    China Japan had the best photo. Brought a tear to my eye. Even if it was an AI deep fake.

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  748. @Greasy William
    @ShortOnTime


    Btw, I would do Abigail Shapiro
     
    So you admit that you hate Jews.

    I have tried so hard to see what some people see in her. I've even tried turning my head sideways. I admit that she looks like she may have been somewhat cute when she was like 18 or 19, but I really do find her homely now.

    And I've got weird tastes, too. I think that young Julie Kavner (voice of Marge Simpson) was cute. I like Jenny Slate and Ilana Glazer, who I suspect most men would find gross. I was a big fan of pre nose job Jennifer Grey. I even think that a young Hannah Arendt is kinda hot. But I just can't see anything appealing about Shapiro.

    And having sat through a couple of her vids, I can also confirm that she is really fucking annoying.

    since Jews are anti-goyim in general
     
    It's really not true. I'd admit it if it was. There are a lot of bad things you can say about Jews but Jews aren't goy haters. A lot of us hate Ishmaelites but that's as far as it goes.

    But the whole “anti-Semitism” term is ridiculous since Semitism/Semitic literally refers to the ethnic/racial community of Semites or Semitic peoples
     
    It was a term born during the era of scientific racism that was supposed to sound more palatable than "Jew Hater". Although the term made no sense for the reason you said above, it stuck around and it isn't going anywhere.

    The problem is that the Holocaust and other such “education” doesn’t work on those groups
     
    I do think Holocaust is the greatest crime in human history and I believe that Holocaust education is important, but the Boomer fixation on it has always felt irrelevant to me as a Millenial. I was raised Christian and when we had our big Holocaust learning in 7th grade I just remember thinking, "dude, I don't care". I agreed that it was awful but I didn't get why I needed to hear so much about it and I certainly didn't see what relevance it had to the Middle East. Even the Jewish kids in my class didn't seem to particularly care, at least not until we saw the camp footage (which bothered me too), and even that they got over pretty quick (so did I).

    I don’t think you should be so scared of Russia. IIRC, Bibi said that he thought Putin was smart and sophisticated.
     
    Bibi is an idiot and I can't believe that people can't tell that Russia is redirecting it's attention to Israel. Israel had some utility for Putin when he was trying to maintain detente with America. That's over now and Putin sees Israel as the greatest weak point of the US imperium and Putin intends to go after it with all means available to him.

    Putin didn't publicly meet with Hamas in Moscow only days after the slaughter because he has poor judgement. He wants to signal that he is the real leader of the anti Israel bloc and that he is the only hope Ishmael (and white leftists, I guess) have of annihilating Israel. China taking Israel off all of its maps, sending ships to the Mediterranean and starting an antisemitic campaign on Chinese social media also isn't just a coincidence. The Russia/Iran/China bloc is clearly prepping for a showdown with the United States. I truly don't understand how anyone can deny it.

    But for anyone that’s not Jewish or Muslim to dip their toes into Israel-Palestine is foolish, myself included.
     
    Considering it's about to cause WWIII, I think it's relevant to everyone.

    Btw, I can’t believe I ever thought about buying a book about Netanyahu’s own personal memoirs a few years ago lol.
     
    Why would you want to read the memoirs of a guy who is notorious for lying about everything? Just make up your own and pretend that Bibi wrote them; they'd likely be more entertaining and more accurate

    Replies: @ShortOnTime

    So you admit that you hate Jews.

    I have tried so hard to see what some people see in her. I’ve even tried turning my head sideways. I admit that she looks like she may have been somewhat cute when she was like 18 or 19, but I really do find her homely now.

    So anyone that says they might have sex with a Jewish woman “admits they hate Jews”?

    Doesn’t it make more sense that anyone that truly hated Jews would steer clear of Jewish women since Jews define descent matrilineally? That is, any non-Jewish man that truly hated Jews wouldn’t want to have sex with Jewish women since that would probably just create more Jews?

    But about Abigail Shapiro, there was one image where she looked decent with long hair, but a pass is obviously easier and probably what I would choose in real life, since it’s easier to make a blasé observation about it from a distance instead of when confronted with such a scenario.

    It’s really not true. I’d admit it if it was. There are a lot of bad things you can say about Jews but Jews aren’t goy haters. A lot of us hate Ishmaelites but that’s as far as it goes.

    Muslims practice Taqqiyah along with Jihad, of course. Since the Jewish Talmud goes on about how goyim are animals and subhuman cattle, it’s reasonable to wonder if Jews have also internalized Taqqiyah in a different way when conversing with goyim.

    Of course, you may personally even love goys, but broadly most Jews consider themselves undoubtedly racially superior to goys and act accordingly.

    This “anti-Semitism” and “Islamophobia” crap won’t be able to fly for too long, especially the longer the fighting over Gaza goes on and if there is an escalation in the Middle East more generally.

    I do think Holocaust is the greatest crime in human history and I believe that Holocaust education is important, but the Boomer fixation on it has always felt irrelevant to me as a Millenial. I was raised Christian and when we had our big Holocaust learning in 7th grade I just remember thinking, “dude, I don’t care”. I agreed that it was awful but I didn’t get why I needed to hear so much about it and I certainly didn’t see what relevance it had to the Middle East. Even the Jewish kids in my class didn’t seem to particularly care, at least not until we saw the camp footage (which bothered me too), and even that they got over pretty quick (so did I).

    Perhaps we can obviously agree that the excessive focus and obsession upon the Holocaust prevalent in America and the mainstream West is extremely unhealthy.

    Still about the issue itself, it may be worth stating that the Holocaust does seem to be broadly real with a considerable weight of some historical evidence and in simple terms “it actually happened”. However, it’s also still being massively exaggerated and abused above all by Jews to induce moral guilt in goyim and exploit it for all sorts of nefarious agendas. Regarding the event, the empirical evidence seems to be that only anywhere from 1-4 million Jews actually died from it. Norman Finkelstein, David Irving and also Mahmoud Abbas seem to be the truly leading authorities on it. Norman explains well how various Jews exploited the Holocaust for personal grifting (was it Elie Wiesel or Simon Wiesenthal that was a complete fakes again?), Irving that the figures couldn’t possibly have been 6 million but that around a few million is realistic, and iirc Mahmoud Abbas wrote a whole PhD work on the Holocaust and how Jews abused it both to create Israel and expand their global power along with videos of Mahmoud Abbas giving lectures about the history of the Holocaust and Jewish power in the first half of the 20th century. So in this sense there’s obviously no point in “denying” the Holocaust in any mainstream context.

    Still, Mahmoud Abbas is actually one of the few figures I can sympathize with from the current Israel-Palestine conflict since he’s simply a sad old man who’s helplessly witnessed the decline of his nation and is trying to impart what little lessons and future he can to the next generation. It’s worth appreciating Mahmoud Abbas especially as he’s recently survived an assassination attempt, presumably by Hamas.

    Bibi is an idiot and I can’t believe that people can’t tell that Russia is redirecting it’s attention to Israel. Israel had some utility for Putin when he was trying to maintain detente with America. That’s over now and Putin sees Israel as the greatest weak point of the US imperium and Putin intends to go after it with all means available to him.

    Putin didn’t publicly meet with Hamas in Moscow only days after the slaughter because he has poor judgement. He wants to signal that he is the real leader of the anti Israel bloc and that he is the only hope Ishmael (and white leftists, I guess) have of annihilating Israel. China taking Israel off all of its maps, sending ships to the Mediterranean and starting an antisemitic campaign on Chinese social media also isn’t just a coincidence. The Russia/Iran/China bloc is clearly prepping for a showdown with the United States. I truly don’t understand how anyone can deny it.

    Considering it’s about to cause WWIII, I think it’s relevant to everyone.

    This take is too powerful for my taste. I think your analysis of world geopolitics and international relations is too eschatological and millenarian. Although someone like commenter Dmitry errs too much to the other extreme of a secular-materialist worldview. FWIW, I’ll give my take as brief as possibly that unlike yours is more grounded in “rationality” and more likely to be accurately predictive of the future in certain respects.

    Israel is a nuclear armed state with one of the best militaries in the world in both equipment and battlefield performance. Some even count Israel as a great power. Israel got off to a good start with its Gaza invasion since it’s already mostly encircled North Gaza. Still, the tunnels mean that ground control on the surface can be misleading. Considering Israel has almost every possible military advantage imaginable over Hamas in Gaza, it’s hard to see Israel somehow coming undone. Israel devastating Gaza and annihilating most of Hamas with around 2 million Palestinian refugees going into the Sinai and some from there to the rest of the world (depends on international aid and other variables) looks almost like a fait accompli at this point. Although the longer the fighting in Gaza lasts, the greater the theoretical possibility of Israel coming undone.

    The only possible ways of Israel coming undone would most probably either be from some sort of internal political intrigue over your beloved Benjamin (the only 2 nuclear states that really failed since WW2 are Apartheid South Africa and the USSR because of complex internal changes) or Muslim countries actually do intervene and a massive Middle East war does come about from escalation, but the latter seems improbable for many reasons. So far, only Hezbollah has actually done anything substantial for Palestinians and Hamas in Gaza by making real but limited effort in skirmishing with Israel on the Lebanon border. Iran and its Axis of Resistance may strike instead at US military bases in Iraq and Syria to make a more serious effort to evict the USA from there (getting rid of or reducing the American “deterrence” against them acting against Israel would be a precondition to directly going against Israel). The amount of drone and rocket attacks on US bases in Iraq and Syria has significantly accelerated many times over. The rest of the “Arab-Muslim world” looks almost completely useless on Palestine as the recent OIC summit illustrated where iirc besides empty statements the UAE refused to even stop selling oil to Israel. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are also most unlikely to do anything meaningful against Israel.

    Honestly, the almost 1.6 billion biomass of Sunni Muslims is only good at targeting and chimping out at Christians. Then again, if it weren’t significantly for Jews, Christians likely wouldn’t be facing such a severe Muslim problem in the 21st century. Which is again why there’s truly no love lost from Christians as against Jews and Muslims (leftist Islamophiles and Christian Zionist dimwits exempted). The “anti-Semitism” and “Islamophobia” garbage illustrates the preference of the Western elite for Jews and Muslims to be united together against Christians anyway, which they usually are and probably will be again once the conflagration over Gaza stops.

    As for Russia, it’s hard to see a Russia that’s preoccupied with Ukraine, and specifically capturing Avdeyevka in the present moment, going into any major adventurism in the Middle East anytime soon. It does look like the post-Prigozhin Wagner group has transferred some Pantsirs or other air defense systems to Hezbollah in Lebanon. So besides Russia repaying Iran and its Axis of Resistance with assorted weapons shipments for the favors Russia owes them over the latter’s weapons shipments to Russia in the Ukraine War, it’s hard to see Russia doing anything substantial beyond that over the current Gaza war.

    Btw, the upcoming meeting in San Francisco with Xi Jinping and the “Biden Administration” doesn’t suggest that China’s leadership intends to trigger WW3 over Palestine. Although the meeting will probably go badly since all of Antony Blinken’s “diplomatic” encounters with China look like ugly spats so far, with the Chinese side doing its best to express themselves with some restraint and maintain civility as much as possible.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @ShortOnTime

    What would be hilarious is if the Chinese papers and tv and internet did a massive coverage of the homeless and street poop and intravenous drug zombies.

    It's just like Burning Man. Except with thousands of derelicts.

    If the meeting were in Miami or New Orleans they would have a clean sweep in the week before and all that would be securely fenced up--one of those 8 foot fences with the big 3 foot loops of razor wire on the top; no way in San Francisco.

    , @Greasy William
    @ShortOnTime


    So anyone that says they might have sex with a Jewish woman “admits they hate Jews”?
     
    It was a joke based on the previous thread where I cited the "Abigail Shapiro Test". She's average at best so the only way someone could be attracted to her is if they have some sort of kink for fucking the enemy's women.

    But she did look okay when she was like 21. The vid of her doing the opera singing. She hit the wall hard and early, though.

    Regarding the event, the empirical evidence seems to be that only anywhere from 1-4 million Jews actually died from it.
     
    Eichmann told his Israeli interrogators that before he was captured, he thought the number was around 4 million, but that after seeing the statistics he was presented with while in Israeli prison, he agreed that the 6 million number was probably correct.

    Since the Jewish Talmud goes on about how goyim are animals and subhuman cattle, it’s reasonable to wonder if Jews have also internalized Taqqiyah in a different way when conversing with goyim.
     
    There are definitely people in Meah Shearim who do just that, but thinking that it applies to more than even a tiny sliver of the Jewish population is crazy.
  749. @German_reader
    @ShortOnTime


    The problem is that the Holocaust and other such “education” doesn’t work on those groups.
     
    But what is the logic why it should "work"? Should the Holocaust give Israel a free get out of jail card for its creeping annexation of territory inhabited by other people and the associated occupation regime? Because criticism of that can't be anything but irrational hatred? These arguments all fall apart on closer inspection.

    But the whole “anti-Semitism” term is ridiculous
     
    That argument is pretty tired, antisemitism has a clear meaning as anti-Jewish ideology (on an ethnic/racial basis), it has never signified anything else since the term came into existence in the late 19th century.

    But for anyone that’s not Jewish or Muslim to dip their toes into Israel-Palestine is foolish, myself included.
     
    I'd prefer not to get involved in this conflict myself (since both sides are highly unappealing from my pov), but unfortunately it's not really possible not to have an opinion in it, given Western ties to Israel and negative repercussions of the conflict for the rest of the world.

    Regarding your points about Serbia, I don't think one should take Fehlinger seriously, the man is a meme character.


    She stands out for having pro-Serb sympathies, which fell out of fashion in the West long
     
    Yes, that was common until the 1990s. tbh I don't think it was any more justified than the subsequent one-sided demonization of Serbs.

    Replies: @ShortOnTime

    But what is the logic why it should “work”? Should the Holocaust give Israel a free get out of jail card for its creeping annexation of territory inhabited by other people and the associated occupation regime? Because criticism of that can’t be anything but irrational hatred? These arguments all fall apart on closer inspection.

    Since Israel was founded in 1948, 3 years after WW2, it does serve as a major excuse for Israel’s creation and existence. Although of course Jewish settlement into Palestine was ongoing since the late 19th century back when the Ottoman Empire owned the province. Still, it’s true that Jews act as if there is no “statute of limitations” on the Holocaust, but don’t you dare try voicing that. Then again, Iran has hosted some “Holocaust Denial” conferences over the years lol.

    Ron Unz’s version of events about Adolf Eichmann’s kidnapping and trial by Israel being about his potential testimony as a living witness of Jew-Nazi collaboration in the settlement of Israel despite the ongoing Jew-Nazi conflict since 1933 is a very interesting take instead of the mainstream version about completely innocent Jews bringing another evil Adolf to justice. Worth clarifying that I’m not a fan of either side of the Jew-Nazi conflict, just like with Israel-Palestine either.

    I’d prefer not to get involved in this conflict myself (since both sides are highly unappealing from my pov), but unfortunately it’s not really possible not to have an opinion in it, given Western ties to Israel and negative repercussions of the conflict for the rest of the world.

    I absolutely share the sentiment.

    Sadly it’s hard to see a way to avoid Israel casually being able to toss Palestinian refugees from Gaza around the world, even to some destinations of choice.

    Regarding your points about Serbia, I don’t think one should take Fehlinger seriously, the man is a meme character.

    He is so over the top and ridiculous that it actually gets funny.

    Still, Fehlinger is just the tip of the iceberg for the anti-Serb crowd on Twitter. There’s also that British MP (some similar American and EU equivalents too) Alisha Kearns that was involved in supporting Jihadists in the black ops in Syria and she’s pathologically pro-Bosnia and pro-Albanian or anti-Serb, like much of the current British and Western elite. Going into all the rest, especially from the Balkan neighborhood is probably too much.

    Yes, that was common until the 1990s. tbh I don’t think it was any more justified than the subsequent one-sided demonization of Serbs.

    Since you’re German it’s no surprise you’re not pro-Serb. Considering everything Germany has done to Serbs in the 20th century, it’s to be expected that there’s truly no love lost between Germans and Serbs. Although most of the AfD seems to think otherwise.

    I personally find all the Muslim Jihad and Taqqiyah directed against Serbs odious. Like this from Al Jazeera comparing the current Gaza war to Srebrenica lol. Other idiots repeat a similar line too hoping that what sort of worked against Serbs in the 1990’s can work against Israel.

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    • Replies: @German_reader
    @ShortOnTime


    Since you’re German it’s no surprise you’re not pro-Serb. Considering everything Germany has done to Serbs in the 20th century, it’s to be expected that there’s truly no love lost between Germans and Serbs.
     
    You seem to have trouble with nuance. I think some Serb grievances are legitimate, e.g. the parts of northern Kosovo where Serbs are the majority should be re-united with Serbia, since Albanians oppressing Serbs isn't any more just or justified than Serbs oppressing Albanians. Doesn't change the fact however that plenty of Serb nationalists are nutters who go well beyond anything reasonable in their obsessive hatreds and resentments.

    Like this from Al Jazeera comparing the current Gaza war to Srebrenica lol.
     
    There actually was a massacre of a few thousand Bosniak men in Srebrenica, that isn't some invention of Islamic propaganda (even if one can argue about the wider context that had preceded the massacre, iirc Bosniak paramilitaries had previously used the UN safe zone as a staging ground for attacks on Serb villages). I don't think it justified the collective demonization of Serbs and the whitewashing of their enemies' war crimes, or the later Kosovo war, there is indeed a lot Western countries can be legitimately criticized for in this regard. But neither was Serbia some angelic, pure nation of victims (and nothing else) that was totally in the right. There's a tendency among Westerners who are repelled by the foreign policy of their own countries (for good reason) to idealize the bogeymen of official Western discourse, but imo that's a sort of overcompensation that betrays the same Manichaean way of thinking, just flipped around.

    Replies: @ShortOnTime

  750. @S
    @Dmitry

    I'm appreciating more and more some of the earlier (1967) Pink Floyd music which featured Syd Barrett before his troubles got the best of him. It seems kind of alien at first but it grows on you. [The video quality is so crisp on these they look like they were filmed just yesterday. 'Bike' under 'more' is actually kind of funny.]

    'Arnold Layne'

    https://youtu.be/H3DGpINHX5Q?si=GLD5Tg8J1t_MenYa

    'See Emily Play'

    https://youtu.be/7c0EDM-Yu9o?si=443g1OSdHkGVcMbo



    'Bike'

    https://youtu.be/FPMXt9Me_Fo?si=T7LJCaDbC3Vuh_RR

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I do own and occasionally listen tp “piper at the gates of dawn”, but don’t really understand the hero worship of Syd Barret. His input to the overall sound of the band was minimal and the music was just really simple early psychedelia, almost an offshoot of the innocent British Carnaby street scene. Pink Floyd did just fine without the input of Syd Barret, and their really great music came after he departed.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    The times, they are a changing:

    https://youtu.be/1u5Gkh2t1ZI
    The young coiffed up ladies were a pleasant sight.

    Replies: @S

    , @S
    @Mr. Hack


    [I] don’t really understand the hero worship of Syd Barret.
     
    When someone is struck down young and unexpectedly, as Syd Barrett was, and they've got some reasonably good looks and intelligence about them, and perhaps most importantly, many years of lost potential, people don't want to accept it.

    As a result they can sometimes make the person, rightly or wrongly, into a martyr/hero.

    I think this may have been what happened with Syd, those '27 club' members, JFK, and even people like Dr Jeffrey MacDonald, whom (unlike some) I think very much is guilty of murdering his wife and two daughters, and is right where he belongs, in prison.
  751. @sudden death
    @ShortOnTime


    The union with Poland was a catastrophe in hindsight.
     
    Even if formally it was voluntary action, in fact it was matter of strategic necessity, even with the price of near term dynastic clashes. Pagan Lithuania at the time unfortunately was bleeding white from that neverending hundred years war of Northern Crusades (not only Teutonic, but whole Christian European warring nobility was pouring into it) and it was ethnic Baltic core suffering the most at the western frontier, which had many significant setbacks in the second half of 14th century, e.g. loss of Kaunas castle, while in the east it didn't have enough strenght left to subjugate and conquer several times besieged Kremlin fortress.

    When dynastic war ended relatively quickly in 1392 and ethnic Lithuanian Vytautas got the Lithuanian native ruler throne, even if formally being subjected to the higher status ruler king Jogaila, joint (Polish+Lithuanian+Slavic) forces several decades later managed to crush Teutonic army in Grunwald battle of 1410, which terminated the mortal threat from Western direction.

    So it was de facto triumphant outcome politically, because it got centuries lasting peace on Western frontier, also Vytautas was like Lukashenko (formally having Belarus union with RF since 1999) on steroids wrt Poland/Jogaila and even Lithuanian state remained politically de facto very separate entity (e.g. refused to join another Polish war against teutonic Prussia in 1454) for several centuries after until it again was strategically forced to go into closer union with Poland in 1569 Lublin, because of Muscovite pressure in Livonian war.

    Replies: @ShortOnTime

    Obviously we could argue at length about whether the union with Poland was worthwhile for Lithuania. The issue was essentially that Lithuania chose not only Poland but also the Catholic faith and “the West” at that moment, which has proven to be a fraught choice ever since. With a large Orthodox Christian population in Belarus and Ukraine, that was bound to create strife. The other evident alternative was union or alignment with Moscow/Russia but that can clearly remain one of history’s endless “what ifs”. The union with Poland was clearly the moment when Lithuania’s strategy of expanding to subjugate its Eastern Orthodox Slav neighbors for a manpower and resource base against the Teutonic knights failed. Even the previous failed conquests of Moscow too actually demonstrated the reality of Lithuania’s eclipse by Poland and Russia in the latter half of the 14th century. The Polish-Lithuanian union also set the historical pattern of Russian-German rapprochement to bypass the Eastern European nationalities between Germans and Russia which was a longer term disaster for those between Germans and Russia (although so far in the 21st century that’s not really much of an issue due to American hegemony in most of Europe, but the amount of hysteria such a theoretical possibility has driven with things like Nordstream 2 and the extent to which Germany arms Ukraine is actually amusing). Admittedly, I’m not very familiar with the civil wars in Lithuania of that era though.

    Otherwise, it does seem that the Kaliningrad exclave for Russia is actually arguably more of a liability than an asset for Russia. It’s one among many most unfortunate Soviet era border drawing decisions that makes more ongoing strife between Russia against Poland and Lithuania (rest of Baltics and Scandinavians too) even more guaranteed in the 21st century.

    Btw, do you have any interesting reading recommendations about Pagan and Medieval Lithuania, especially in the 2-3 centuries before the union with Poland? (I’ve found one book on this that I’ll probably get around to sometime eventually)

    As for AP, I’m not sure it’s worth the effort to continue my discussion with him since it’s just too much time and effort that wouldn’t be spent in a worthwhile manner. Probably relitigating certain aspects of WW1 with him would be even more tiresome than anything about Ukraine and Russia. Most of Mr XYZ’s seemingly endless history hypotheticals also don’t seem worthwhile engaging either.

    • Replies: @AP
    @ShortOnTime


    Obviously we could argue at length about whether the union with Poland was worthwhile for Lithuania. The issue was essentially that Lithuania chose not only Poland but also the Catholic faith and “the West” at that moment, which has proven to be a fraught choice ever since.
     
    I suspect that the Lithuanians are happy not to have gotten stuck in the Russo-world that Ukrainians have been trying to leave since c. 1700.

    As for AP, I’m not sure it’s worth the effort to continue my discussion with him
     
    It's tough when your Russian historical myths (which, to your credit, you know fairly well - you are least very well-read, though also demonstrating that being misinformed can be worse than being uninformed) break upon the rocks of reality.

    Replies: @ShortOnTime

    , @sudden death
    @ShortOnTime


    Btw, do you have any interesting reading recommendations about Pagan and Medieval Lithuania, especially in the 2-3 centuries before the union with Poland?
     
    This might fit as some basic introductory historical outline from Lithuanian POV in English:
    https://urm.lt/uploads/default/documents/Travel_Residence/history_of_lithuania_new.pdf

    As more thorough academical inquiry from outside POV into "pure" Pagan era:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/Lithuania_Ascending_A_Pagan_Empire_within_East-Central_Europe%2C_1295%E2%80%931345_%28book_cover%29.jpg

    And for the lulz - imho quite accurate depiction of what average normie young Lithuanian might remember about own history after finishing school, with English subtitles:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4veBuE_QA0

    , @LatW
    @ShortOnTime


    The Polish-Lithuanian union also set the historical pattern of Russian-German rapprochement to bypass the Eastern European nationalities between Germans and Russia which was a longer term disaster for those between Germans and Russia
     
    But what can you possibly suggest for these nations that are so limited by their geography in the sense that their geography is so desirable that they are bound to have enemies on both sides? What is the way out of this complex position? This is just the reality.

    Before the Polish-Lithuanian union, the Lithuanian king Algirdas was in a position where he could've possibly gathered the Rus' and Lithuanian lands and created one large (most likely eventually Orthodox) country (mini-empire in Eastern-Central Europe which could've included even the Muscovites). With the capital in Vilnius. However, the threat then would've been that the Lithuanian nation could've dissolved in the Rus' ethnic Slavic mass (although maybe not a given since the Lithuanians are a rather strong nation and were somewhat fecund back in the day).

    Btw, apparently, after the Soviet / Allied victory in the WW2, Stalin had offered Lithuania to take the Kaliningrad region and make it part of the Lithuanian SSR (the real name would be Twankste, the original Old Prussian name of the settlement - or even better, Romuva, the holy place). But Lithuanians refused because of the rather complicated ethnic arrangements there, would be my guess. I have to double check this for accuracy, but this is what I've heard.

    Replies: @LatW, @ShortOnTime

  752. @Mr. Hack
    @S

    I do own and occasionally listen tp "piper at the gates of dawn", but don't really understand the hero worship of Syd Barret. His input to the overall sound of the band was minimal and the music was just really simple early psychedelia, almost an offshoot of the innocent British Carnaby street scene. Pink Floyd did just fine without the input of Syd Barret, and their really great music came after he departed.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @S

    The times, they are a changing:

    The young coiffed up ladies were a pleasant sight.

    • Replies: @S
    @Mr. Hack


    The young coiffed up ladies were a pleasant sight.
     
    Yes, on the right women some of those 60's hairstyles were alright. Supposedly 'the flip' is making a comeback.



    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1Tso69LZ2nQ/WLcc_NeIPkI/AAAAAAACl4k/OhjMkaIStmcA6MQUVC3DOlJiAv11w62jgCEw/s640/6-Jean-Shrimpton-1960s-Hairstyle-Flip.jpg

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R5dQGzUkP4U/WLcc_IsgIJI/AAAAAAACl4g/3IMcKuJSX-g9N_zwYGTyVpRHQMHuno_EQCEw/s640/5-Jane-Fonda-1960s-Hairstyle.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. Hack

  753. @ShortOnTime
    @sudden death

    Obviously we could argue at length about whether the union with Poland was worthwhile for Lithuania. The issue was essentially that Lithuania chose not only Poland but also the Catholic faith and "the West" at that moment, which has proven to be a fraught choice ever since. With a large Orthodox Christian population in Belarus and Ukraine, that was bound to create strife. The other evident alternative was union or alignment with Moscow/Russia but that can clearly remain one of history's endless "what ifs". The union with Poland was clearly the moment when Lithuania's strategy of expanding to subjugate its Eastern Orthodox Slav neighbors for a manpower and resource base against the Teutonic knights failed. Even the previous failed conquests of Moscow too actually demonstrated the reality of Lithuania's eclipse by Poland and Russia in the latter half of the 14th century. The Polish-Lithuanian union also set the historical pattern of Russian-German rapprochement to bypass the Eastern European nationalities between Germans and Russia which was a longer term disaster for those between Germans and Russia (although so far in the 21st century that's not really much of an issue due to American hegemony in most of Europe, but the amount of hysteria such a theoretical possibility has driven with things like Nordstream 2 and the extent to which Germany arms Ukraine is actually amusing). Admittedly, I'm not very familiar with the civil wars in Lithuania of that era though.

    Otherwise, it does seem that the Kaliningrad exclave for Russia is actually arguably more of a liability than an asset for Russia. It's one among many most unfortunate Soviet era border drawing decisions that makes more ongoing strife between Russia against Poland and Lithuania (rest of Baltics and Scandinavians too) even more guaranteed in the 21st century.

    Btw, do you have any interesting reading recommendations about Pagan and Medieval Lithuania, especially in the 2-3 centuries before the union with Poland? (I've found one book on this that I'll probably get around to sometime eventually)

    As for AP, I'm not sure it's worth the effort to continue my discussion with him since it's just too much time and effort that wouldn't be spent in a worthwhile manner. Probably relitigating certain aspects of WW1 with him would be even more tiresome than anything about Ukraine and Russia. Most of Mr XYZ's seemingly endless history hypotheticals also don't seem worthwhile engaging either.

    Replies: @AP, @sudden death, @LatW

    Obviously we could argue at length about whether the union with Poland was worthwhile for Lithuania. The issue was essentially that Lithuania chose not only Poland but also the Catholic faith and “the West” at that moment, which has proven to be a fraught choice ever since.

    I suspect that the Lithuanians are happy not to have gotten stuck in the Russo-world that Ukrainians have been trying to leave since c. 1700.

    As for AP, I’m not sure it’s worth the effort to continue my discussion with him

    It’s tough when your Russian historical myths (which, to your credit, you know fairly well – you are least very well-read, though also demonstrating that being misinformed can be worse than being uninformed) break upon the rocks of reality.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @ShortOnTime
    @AP

    I'll keep my reply to your bigger effort post and this one short, since there's way too much nitpicking over historical details involved for anyone that's not endlessly commenting on internet forums to go over.


    Being Russia’s neighbor is a nasty place to be.

     

    Almost all of the many immediate neighbors that Russia shares a border with (need we list them all? From Norway to North Korea?) besides Ukraine and Georgia look to be more or less fine despite any possible latent issues. Ukraine's unique issue is that it has had the largest Russian minority outside Russia since 1991.

    Ukraine trying to align with NATO against such a great power, despite Russia having certain problems, and attempting to completely wipe out the Russian ethnic minority within Ukraine's UN borders can't but lead to nasty consequences for Ukraine indeed (don't try and pretend Maidan 2014 and the still ongoing mostly deliberate Ukrainian shelling of Russian civilians in the Donbass is about anything else). For those that know the true version of events of the Russia-Ukraine conflict, it's almost impossible to sympathize with Ukraine, especially since it seems likely Ukraine may lose even further soon. Why sympathize not only with a loser, but one that's mostly ethically and morally in the wrong anyway?


    It’s tough when your Russian historical myths (which, to your credit, you know fairly well – you are least very well-read, though also demonstrating that being misinformed can be worse than being uninformed) break upon the rocks of reality.

     

    As I've pointed out before "Russian historical myths", although not entirely perfect, are more well founded in fact than the historical myths of Ukraine and Poland.

    Anyway, none of this matters too much in determining events on the ground besides the fact that the Ukraine War is going to most likely continue at least until the American elections next year in late 2024 at the earliest. Partly because it will take Russia at least a longer period of time in terms of many months to "finish Ukraine", although Ukraine may get lucky and not lose too much territory in the next year or so. The key reason is that the "Biden Administration" members said it clearly back in 2022 that their real purpose in arming Ukraine is to try and weaken Russia as a great power and ideally wreck Russia permanently, how much it costs Ukraine be dammed. Remember the "decolonize Russia" platform put out by the US State Department? Remember the promises that Russians would be fleeing in panic for their lives from the Donbass, Crimea and other Russian controlled provinces after Ukraine's supposedly great 2023 offensive?

    The reality is shaping up to be that the "Biden Administration" will "fight Russia to the last Ukrainian" regardless of the cost for Ukraine probably for "as long as it takes". In this sense the Russophile commentators are indeed coping that it costs the USA too much to keep the Ukraine War going in arms deliveries since it's only about 100 billion so far for a great power many trillions in debt. Ukrainian blood and lives are very cheap for the "Biden Administration" after all. Still, the ever more realistic prospect of a significant Russian victory is now again back on the agenda. The situation on the ground is that Avdeyevka is not too far away from falling and Russia is currently advancing with significantly more momentum than Ukraine earlier had in its offensives.

    Be careful what you wish for with breaking "upon the rocks of reality".

    I'll finish giving any further replies to you on this note.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP

  754. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...had Poland really been determined to resist the Nazis, then a Soviet alliance in 1939 along with its Anglo-French alliances would have been by far the best option in hindsight. Poland in 1945...
     
    Poland was obsessed with attacking Russia and not with resisting Nazis - a fatal miscalculation caused by their historical traumas. In Munich 1938 UK-France openly betrayed Czecho-Slovakia. Poland and Hungary quickly joined and grabbed territories.

    Munich was the seminal point of WW2 - and it happened at the beginning. The collapse of Poland, UK-France not fighting and the M-R treaty in 1939, were inevitable after UK-France-Poland's betrayal in Munich.

    Russia offered to defend Czecho-Slovakia, but it required transit through Poland and Poles refused. That tells us all we need to know about the Polish intentions. The millions of dead, including Poles followed. But the Poles never learned.

    Czechs and Slovaks survived WW2, we made our arrangements after being betrayed. The Slovak uprising in 1944 showed what we could had done if not betrayed by the West. The treatment of Jews was not up to the Nazi satellites. It was a core point of Nazism and they insisted. France, Holland, Hungary, Greece - all did it. The details and timing vary, but Germany ultimately made all the decisions.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard

    It was a core point of Nazism and they insisted.

    Did they insist the Slovaks massacre ’em?

    Did they insist the Ukrainians kill ’em?

    Did they insist the Poles finish ’em off?

    Maybe. The internet demands to know this dammit. Sort of. It was 80 years ago man. We could possibly give it a rest. Winter is on the way. If it gets really cold gas is going through the ceiling.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    If it gets really cold gas is going through the ceiling.
     
    Seems to be going down right now though, what's up with that? I have gasoline on my mind.
  755. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    Japan’s slow-motion train-wreck is speeding up as the yen crashes below 150 per dollar. A level not seen since the 1980’s bubble era.

    What’s happening in Japan is a zombie economy built on government spending and zero interest rates is driving investors overseas for higher returns.

    This is crashing the yen, raising the price of imported energy and food by 50%. Which is brutal considering Japan imports 2/3 of its food and over 90% of its energy.


    https://twitter.com/Investingcom/status/1724682300338626571


    Japan and China have agreed to start export control dialogue, Yomiuri reports.

    😂

    https://twitter.com/IMFNews/status/1724219352910909741

    Replies: @songbird

    Some say that Japan didn’t really begin exporting its culture significantly until after the bubble, when they were poorer and hungrier. (Though, I suppose that would have been coincident with their demographic peak.)

    During this time, they were very naive in their business dealings in selling distribution rights in America and often made quite bad deals, when you consider the money that some properties brought in.

    One guy who really got them good:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_R._Kahn

  756. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow


    It was a core point of Nazism and they insisted.
     
    Did they insist the Slovaks massacre 'em?

    Did they insist the Ukrainians kill 'em?

    Did they insist the Poles finish 'em off?

    Maybe. The internet demands to know this dammit. Sort of. It was 80 years ago man. We could possibly give it a rest. Winter is on the way. If it gets really cold gas is going through the ceiling.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    If it gets really cold gas is going through the ceiling.

    Seems to be going down right now though, what’s up with that? I have gasoline on my mind.

  757. @ShortOnTime
    @Greasy William


    So you admit that you hate Jews.

    I have tried so hard to see what some people see in her. I’ve even tried turning my head sideways. I admit that she looks like she may have been somewhat cute when she was like 18 or 19, but I really do find her homely now.

     

    So anyone that says they might have sex with a Jewish woman "admits they hate Jews"?

    Doesn't it make more sense that anyone that truly hated Jews would steer clear of Jewish women since Jews define descent matrilineally? That is, any non-Jewish man that truly hated Jews wouldn't want to have sex with Jewish women since that would probably just create more Jews?

    But about Abigail Shapiro, there was one image where she looked decent with long hair, but a pass is obviously easier and probably what I would choose in real life, since it's easier to make a blasé observation about it from a distance instead of when confronted with such a scenario.


    It’s really not true. I’d admit it if it was. There are a lot of bad things you can say about Jews but Jews aren’t goy haters. A lot of us hate Ishmaelites but that’s as far as it goes.
     
    Muslims practice Taqqiyah along with Jihad, of course. Since the Jewish Talmud goes on about how goyim are animals and subhuman cattle, it's reasonable to wonder if Jews have also internalized Taqqiyah in a different way when conversing with goyim.

    Of course, you may personally even love goys, but broadly most Jews consider themselves undoubtedly racially superior to goys and act accordingly.

    This "anti-Semitism" and "Islamophobia" crap won't be able to fly for too long, especially the longer the fighting over Gaza goes on and if there is an escalation in the Middle East more generally.


    I do think Holocaust is the greatest crime in human history and I believe that Holocaust education is important, but the Boomer fixation on it has always felt irrelevant to me as a Millenial. I was raised Christian and when we had our big Holocaust learning in 7th grade I just remember thinking, “dude, I don’t care”. I agreed that it was awful but I didn’t get why I needed to hear so much about it and I certainly didn’t see what relevance it had to the Middle East. Even the Jewish kids in my class didn’t seem to particularly care, at least not until we saw the camp footage (which bothered me too), and even that they got over pretty quick (so did I).

     

    Perhaps we can obviously agree that the excessive focus and obsession upon the Holocaust prevalent in America and the mainstream West is extremely unhealthy.

    Still about the issue itself, it may be worth stating that the Holocaust does seem to be broadly real with a considerable weight of some historical evidence and in simple terms "it actually happened". However, it's also still being massively exaggerated and abused above all by Jews to induce moral guilt in goyim and exploit it for all sorts of nefarious agendas. Regarding the event, the empirical evidence seems to be that only anywhere from 1-4 million Jews actually died from it. Norman Finkelstein, David Irving and also Mahmoud Abbas seem to be the truly leading authorities on it. Norman explains well how various Jews exploited the Holocaust for personal grifting (was it Elie Wiesel or Simon Wiesenthal that was a complete fakes again?), Irving that the figures couldn't possibly have been 6 million but that around a few million is realistic, and iirc Mahmoud Abbas wrote a whole PhD work on the Holocaust and how Jews abused it both to create Israel and expand their global power along with videos of Mahmoud Abbas giving lectures about the history of the Holocaust and Jewish power in the first half of the 20th century. So in this sense there's obviously no point in "denying" the Holocaust in any mainstream context.

    Still, Mahmoud Abbas is actually one of the few figures I can sympathize with from the current Israel-Palestine conflict since he's simply a sad old man who's helplessly witnessed the decline of his nation and is trying to impart what little lessons and future he can to the next generation. It's worth appreciating Mahmoud Abbas especially as he's recently survived an assassination attempt, presumably by Hamas.


    Bibi is an idiot and I can’t believe that people can’t tell that Russia is redirecting it’s attention to Israel. Israel had some utility for Putin when he was trying to maintain detente with America. That’s over now and Putin sees Israel as the greatest weak point of the US imperium and Putin intends to go after it with all means available to him.

    Putin didn’t publicly meet with Hamas in Moscow only days after the slaughter because he has poor judgement. He wants to signal that he is the real leader of the anti Israel bloc and that he is the only hope Ishmael (and white leftists, I guess) have of annihilating Israel. China taking Israel off all of its maps, sending ships to the Mediterranean and starting an antisemitic campaign on Chinese social media also isn’t just a coincidence. The Russia/Iran/China bloc is clearly prepping for a showdown with the United States. I truly don’t understand how anyone can deny it.

    Considering it’s about to cause WWIII, I think it’s relevant to everyone.
     

    This take is too powerful for my taste. I think your analysis of world geopolitics and international relations is too eschatological and millenarian. Although someone like commenter Dmitry errs too much to the other extreme of a secular-materialist worldview. FWIW, I'll give my take as brief as possibly that unlike yours is more grounded in "rationality" and more likely to be accurately predictive of the future in certain respects.

    Israel is a nuclear armed state with one of the best militaries in the world in both equipment and battlefield performance. Some even count Israel as a great power. Israel got off to a good start with its Gaza invasion since it's already mostly encircled North Gaza. Still, the tunnels mean that ground control on the surface can be misleading. Considering Israel has almost every possible military advantage imaginable over Hamas in Gaza, it's hard to see Israel somehow coming undone. Israel devastating Gaza and annihilating most of Hamas with around 2 million Palestinian refugees going into the Sinai and some from there to the rest of the world (depends on international aid and other variables) looks almost like a fait accompli at this point. Although the longer the fighting in Gaza lasts, the greater the theoretical possibility of Israel coming undone.

    The only possible ways of Israel coming undone would most probably either be from some sort of internal political intrigue over your beloved Benjamin (the only 2 nuclear states that really failed since WW2 are Apartheid South Africa and the USSR because of complex internal changes) or Muslim countries actually do intervene and a massive Middle East war does come about from escalation, but the latter seems improbable for many reasons. So far, only Hezbollah has actually done anything substantial for Palestinians and Hamas in Gaza by making real but limited effort in skirmishing with Israel on the Lebanon border. Iran and its Axis of Resistance may strike instead at US military bases in Iraq and Syria to make a more serious effort to evict the USA from there (getting rid of or reducing the American "deterrence" against them acting against Israel would be a precondition to directly going against Israel). The amount of drone and rocket attacks on US bases in Iraq and Syria has significantly accelerated many times over. The rest of the "Arab-Muslim world" looks almost completely useless on Palestine as the recent OIC summit illustrated where iirc besides empty statements the UAE refused to even stop selling oil to Israel. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are also most unlikely to do anything meaningful against Israel.

    Honestly, the almost 1.6 billion biomass of Sunni Muslims is only good at targeting and chimping out at Christians. Then again, if it weren't significantly for Jews, Christians likely wouldn't be facing such a severe Muslim problem in the 21st century. Which is again why there's truly no love lost from Christians as against Jews and Muslims (leftist Islamophiles and Christian Zionist dimwits exempted). The "anti-Semitism" and "Islamophobia" garbage illustrates the preference of the Western elite for Jews and Muslims to be united together against Christians anyway, which they usually are and probably will be again once the conflagration over Gaza stops.

    As for Russia, it's hard to see a Russia that's preoccupied with Ukraine, and specifically capturing Avdeyevka in the present moment, going into any major adventurism in the Middle East anytime soon. It does look like the post-Prigozhin Wagner group has transferred some Pantsirs or other air defense systems to Hezbollah in Lebanon. So besides Russia repaying Iran and its Axis of Resistance with assorted weapons shipments for the favors Russia owes them over the latter's weapons shipments to Russia in the Ukraine War, it's hard to see Russia doing anything substantial beyond that over the current Gaza war.

    Btw, the upcoming meeting in San Francisco with Xi Jinping and the "Biden Administration" doesn't suggest that China's leadership intends to trigger WW3 over Palestine. Although the meeting will probably go badly since all of Antony Blinken's "diplomatic" encounters with China look like ugly spats so far, with the Chinese side doing its best to express themselves with some restraint and maintain civility as much as possible.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Greasy William

    What would be hilarious is if the Chinese papers and tv and internet did a massive coverage of the homeless and street poop and intravenous drug zombies.

    It’s just like Burning Man. Except with thousands of derelicts.

    If the meeting were in Miami or New Orleans they would have a clean sweep in the week before and all that would be securely fenced up–one of those 8 foot fences with the big 3 foot loops of razor wire on the top; no way in San Francisco.

    • Agree: ShortOnTime
  758. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12751987/On-day-1944-genocidal-Winston-Churchill-refused-ceasefire-Nazi-Germany-Satirical-Israeli-TV-takes-swipe-BBCs-war-coverage-mock-WWII-report.html

    Israeli TV accuses Churchill of genociding Germans. I mean, really? Israel of all nations making accusations like this. They have a nerve alright. We are truly in clown world now, that’s for sure.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Europe Europa

    Given that it says "satirical" in the link, it is obviously not intended to be taken seriously.

    Alas, bad satire is pretty common. Failed satirists Anglin and JungFraud post on this very site.

    PEACE 😇

    , @Dmitry
    @Europe Europa

    It's not attacking Churchill, it's saying if the BBC has used the same standards of judgement in relation to Israel, with the Second World War, they would say Churchill was genocidal.

    It's at 3:00.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDIupxVmnLo


    They are "Eretz Nehederet". In the peacetime it's usually a more or rebellious/liberal show and they had some good satires of Israeli society many years ago.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  759. @Europe Europa
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12751987/On-day-1944-genocidal-Winston-Churchill-refused-ceasefire-Nazi-Germany-Satirical-Israeli-TV-takes-swipe-BBCs-war-coverage-mock-WWII-report.html

    Israeli TV accuses Churchill of genociding Germans. I mean, really? Israel of all nations making accusations like this. They have a nerve alright. We are truly in clown world now, that's for sure.

    Replies: @A123, @Dmitry

    Given that it says “satirical” in the link, it is obviously not intended to be taken seriously.

    Alas, bad satire is pretty common. Failed satirists Anglin and JungFraud post on this very site.

    PEACE 😇

  760. @AP
    @Beckow


    If Kiev loses the war there will be a change in government.
     
    Unless Russia occupies the country (the original goal), it won't be a pro-Russian government.

    All the things you list are either unsupported projections
     
    What do you think full deNazification means, in the context when the Russian government called the Ukrainian government as being full of Nazis?

    or things any decent government should do anyway, like give minority schools to Russians
     
    Neither the largest and most populous Western Democracy, the USA, nor the second largest and most populous country in Europe, France, has these.

    But you prefer the Baltic way
     
    The French way, though Ukraine was milder than the French because the Ukrainians allowed primary schools in minority languages.

    On the nature of the war, you and I agree. But based on the overall forces and the fact that it is also a ‘domestic’ war for Russia – they see it that way
     
    Russians see Crimea as domestic but they don't see Kherson or even Donbas as domestic. They could care less about those places.

    But based on the overall forces and the fact that it is also a ‘domestic’ war for Russia – they see it that way – the odds are very high that if one side wins it will be Russia. I used to think it is 80-20 in Russia’s favor, I would up that after the failed Kiev offensive to 85-15. What do you think? (And don’t do 50-50, that simply says “I don’t know’).
     
    50/50 as I describe it doesn't mean "I don't know."

    I am rather certain that Ukraine will be unable to take Donetsk and urban Donbas, and that Russia will be unable to take Odessa, or the eastern half of the country, or to capture Kiev.

    But I do not know whether or not Ukraine will be able to break the current territorial stalemate and liberate the Crimean corridor, or even to take Crimea itself if it manages to liberate the corridor.

    As for "winning", it depends on different factors and each side will redefine "win" to suit its propaganda purposes. Russia set out to implement regime change in Ukraine, demilitarize it, purge it of Ukrainian nationalism, and bring Ukraine to a Belarus-like state, but having failed to do that, if it manages to keep the parts of Kherson and Zaporizhia oblasts that connect Crimea to Russia it will proclaim that it has won.

    I think:

    A stalemate at the current line could be a Ukrainian win, depending on other conditions - Ukraine gets fast-tracked into EU, keeps its massive military (and/or gets under the NATO umbrella), keeps the $300 billion in frozen Russian assets to rebuild, runs its schools etc. as it likes, and in exchange Russia keeps the lands it has taken and loses the sanctions. In this case, neither side would get what it wanted but each side would get something but on balance Ukraine gets more than it loses, so a slight win for Ukraine, though interpreting this as a draw would not be unreasonable.

    A deal like above, but Russia only keeps the 2014-2022 territory (or even loses some of it) and gets them formally recognized would be a clear Ukrainian win.

    Russia significantly taking more lands than it has now (a few towns doesn't count - but if takes Odessa or Kharkiv regions) and/or the conditions not applying (no money for rebuilding what Russia wrecked, no EU prospects, Russia restricting Ukraine somehow) would make it a Russian win.

    Russia defeating the Ukrainian military and forcing it to retreat to the Carpathians and occupying Kiev and installing a puppet regime - the original plan - would be a clear Russian win.

    I don't think the odds of anything have changed much from summer, because Ukraine has not used up most of the forces it had accumulated and because Russia is being attrited at a higher rate than Ukraine is now. I had earlier predicted 50/50 chance of stalemate versus liberation of the Crimean corridor. It is probably about the same now, maybe stalemate is a bit higher than 50% - maybe 55.45.

    If Ukraine takes the Crimea corridor, this unlocks a ~50% chance of taking Crimea too.

    So:

    55% chance of stalemate at current lines, give or take a dozen towns and villages
    25% chance Ukraine retakes Crimean corridor only
    20% chance Ukraine takes both Crimean corridor and large parts of Crimea, perhaps all of it

    To be pedantic - I would add - 1% chance of Russia grabbing a lot more territory (such as reaching Odessa, or taking the eastern half of the country), .5% chance of Ukraine retaking all of its lands or Russia withdrawing all the way back to its 1991 borders (maybe due to a revolution or something).

    Ukrainians are fighting for their homes, so they will last longer

    What if they don’t? You have nothing but your wishful thinking to back that up
     
    I have a record of predicting what Ukrainians would do, you have a record of predicting the opposite.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    it won’t be a pro-Russian government.

    The most likely scenario is like Georgia: an accommodating government that tries to keep its head down and avoids provoking Russia.

    What do you think full deNazification means…

    Whatever you want it to mean. I have said from the beginning that de-Nazification is subjective and hard to define. There are a few quasi-Nazis in Ukraine and a huge spectrum of people who slide into it by celebrating Bandera etc…I am sure Russia will find a formula to say it was solved. It is up to them, they are the aggrieved party since the other victims of Ukie WW2 Nazis don’t seem to care – like Poland or Israel.

    Russians see Crimea as domestic but they don’t see Kherson or even Donbas as domestic.

    They care less but at this point they are committed, so they will fight. The result of Ukie stupidity since 2014.

    55% chance of stalemate at current lines, give or take a dozen towns and villages
    25% chance Ukraine retakes Crimean corridor only
    20% chance Ukraine takes both Crimean corridor and large parts of Crimea, perhaps all of it
    I would add – 1% chance of Russia grabbing a lot more territory

    That adds up to 100-to-1 that Kiev would either hold its own or win the war. You are quite an optimist. How? If Kiev has failed with the summer offensive, why would you give it 45% that they will try again and this time prevail?

    Stalemate is unlikely: neither side wants it and it would be too expensive for the West with nothing to show for it other than constant propaganda. It is more likely they would negotiate a deal.

    If they agree on a deal, Kiev will be neutral – no Nato. Based on that EU will not want them – but a permanent Association agreement for the rump Ukraine is possible.

    The most likely outcome is that at some point Kiev collapses – economically or militarily – and a new government negotiates a peace deal with Russia. It could be next year or in 2-5 years. This was all an enormous waste, and by far biggest victims are the Ukies. Agreeing to a normal deal in 2015-22 was preferable. (And they are not France and we are not in 1850.)

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Stalemate is unlikely: neither side wants it

    Putin through Shoigu offered to walk at the current lines.

    That means MacGregor/Ritter/MoonOfAlabama are all wrong......again. There will be no Russian parades through Kiev. Putin is willing to walk with Donbas/Zap/Crimea.

    The Russian economy is most likely much worse than the Bank of Russia is admitting. They are most likely lying about actual inflation rates.

    Putin wants to get out while he can.

    They can lie about inflation but they wouldn't be able to stop the Ruble from cratering. Their attempts at stabilizing the currency through interest rates is a cargo cult mentality.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @A123
    @Beckow


    Stalemate is unlikely: neither side wants it and it would be too expensive for the West with nothing to show for it other than constant propaganda. It is more likely they would negotiate a deal.

    If they agree on a deal, Kiev will be neutral – no Nato.
     

    A deal along approximately the current lines gives Russia what they need. It has been on offer for some time. The European Empire has kept Zelensky from taking it.

    You are correct that such a deal would include "No NATO Ever". And, limitations to guarantee that Kiev will not be able to arm up for Round 2.
    ___

    No one on the Ukie side has addressed the money problem directly. It is clear that the U.S. is boosting its national prestige by walking away from Not-The-President Biden's folly. And, it does not look like Europe will put in €3-5 Billion per month.

    If Ukraine keeps fighting, it will not be a stalemate. As Kiev runs out of supplies, Russia will be able to advance. Capturing the entire Black Sea coast and hooking up with Transnistria is an achievable goal if Kiev remains intransigent and unreasonable.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow, @Philip Owen

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    The most likely scenario is like Georgia: an accommodating government that tries to keep its head down and avoids provoking Russia
     
    Too much blood has been spilled for that scenario. And what was left of the most pro-Russian regions has been largely ruined. Zelensky is the least anti-Russian option.

    [denazification] Whatever you want it to mean. I have said from the beginning that de-Nazification is subjective and hard to define
     
    Except it isn’t really. Russian officials equate Ukrainian nationalism with Nazism and complained about “Nazism” of post-Soviet school
    curriculums, etc. They declared complete “DeNazification” as the goal. And in the occupied territories they have implemented what they wanted: reversion to a mix of Soviet-era and Russian school curriculum, destruction of boos published after independence, purging of all patriots/nationalists.

    Essentially, Ukraine as a Russian satellite state analogous to 1968-1990 Czechoslovakia.

    That adds up to 100-to-1 that Kiev would either hold its own or win the war
     
    On the battlefield, yes.

    Of course, the conditions of any peace agreement based on current lines may determine if it is a victory or not.

    You are quite an optimist

     

    A realist. Just as as I was when I said Ukrainians would fight hard and that therefore there was no way that Russia would take Kiev quickly.

    If Kiev has failed with the summer offensive, why would you give it 45% that they will try again and this time prevail
     
    Because you mischaracterise the “failure.” Ukraine has not wasted those troops and equipment but has held them back for a later time. There is IMO a 45% chance that with ongoing worse attrition, a winter with high casualties for Russians who have destroyed logistics and poor supplies, and appearance of F-16, another try will succeed. Slightly higher chance that it won’t, but nearly even chance that it will.

    Stalemate is unlikely: neither side wants it and it would be too expensive for the West with nothing to show for it other than constant propaganda. It is more likely they would negotiate a deal.
     
    Neither side wants it now. They will lose more, and Russia will lose more than Ukraine, and for much less purpose.

    If they agree on a deal, Kiev will be neutral – no Nato
     
    Maybe, maybe not. If no NATO, then nukes with long range missiles.

    If they agree on a deal, Kiev will be neutral – no Nato. Based on that EU will not want them
     
    No reason to assume that.

    The most likely outcome is that at some point Kiev collapses – economically or militarily – and a new government negotiates a peace deal with Russia. It could be next year or in 2-5 years

     

    Russia will tire before Ukraine collapses. More Ukrainians support the war than do Russians, and the casualty rate has shifted against Russia.

    Ukrainians are fighting for their homes. They will not stop to allow the Russians in.

    Agreeing to a normal deal in 2015-22 was preferable. (And they are not France and we are not in 1850
     
    You couldn’t help yourself and added a lie. French language policy is in 2023, it didn’t end in 1850.

    Ukrainians are fighting to prevent what Russia wanted in 2015-2022. They don’t think that was preferable.

    Replies: @Beckow

  761. @A123
    @John Johnson



    Increase. Only vile Leftoids believe in Nazi black skirt swastika judges.
     
    So if Trump catches a felony on taking home classified documents you actually believe it would boost his reputation with independents? How?
     
    Fascist fake judges screaming their blood lust and eternal devotion for Adolf SJW Hitler are unappealing to all rational people, including moderates.

    Obvious unwarranted persecution brings support to God & Country, including Trump. Again, this is obvious and inevitable. Why are you asking such self answering questions? And, then getting the wrong results?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Fascist fake judges screaming their blood lust and eternal devotion for Adolf SJW Hitler are unappealing to all rational people, including moderates.

    You really should spend some time around normal people. They would find that statement to be batsh-t crazy. They also generally support laws like making sure you leave classified documents at work.

    A felony charge is not going to help Trump.

    Obvious unwarranted persecution brings support to God & Country, including Trump. Again, this is obvious and inevitable. Why are you asking such self answering questions? And, then getting the wrong results?

    It’s MAGA that had the wrong results in the last election. This same type of denial and group think is what led to Biden as president.

    Trump would be president if had shored up support with independents instead of listening to his base.

    • LOL: A123
  762. @Beckow
    @AP


    it won’t be a pro-Russian government.
     
    The most likely scenario is like Georgia: an accommodating government that tries to keep its head down and avoids provoking Russia.

    What do you think full deNazification means...
     
    Whatever you want it to mean. I have said from the beginning that de-Nazification is subjective and hard to define. There are a few quasi-Nazis in Ukraine and a huge spectrum of people who slide into it by celebrating Bandera etc...I am sure Russia will find a formula to say it was solved. It is up to them, they are the aggrieved party since the other victims of Ukie WW2 Nazis don't seem to care - like Poland or Israel.

    Russians see Crimea as domestic but they don’t see Kherson or even Donbas as domestic.
     
    They care less but at this point they are committed, so they will fight. The result of Ukie stupidity since 2014.

    55% chance of stalemate at current lines, give or take a dozen towns and villages
    25% chance Ukraine retakes Crimean corridor only
    20% chance Ukraine takes both Crimean corridor and large parts of Crimea, perhaps all of it
    I would add – 1% chance of Russia grabbing a lot more territory
     
    That adds up to 100-to-1 that Kiev would either hold its own or win the war. You are quite an optimist. How? If Kiev has failed with the summer offensive, why would you give it 45% that they will try again and this time prevail?

    Stalemate is unlikely: neither side wants it and it would be too expensive for the West with nothing to show for it other than constant propaganda. It is more likely they would negotiate a deal.

    If they agree on a deal, Kiev will be neutral - no Nato. Based on that EU will not want them - but a permanent Association agreement for the rump Ukraine is possible.

    The most likely outcome is that at some point Kiev collapses - economically or militarily - and a new government negotiates a peace deal with Russia. It could be next year or in 2-5 years. This was all an enormous waste, and by far biggest victims are the Ukies. Agreeing to a normal deal in 2015-22 was preferable. (And they are not France and we are not in 1850.)

    Replies: @John Johnson, @A123, @AP

    Stalemate is unlikely: neither side wants it

    Putin through Shoigu offered to walk at the current lines.

    That means MacGregor/Ritter/MoonOfAlabama are all wrong……again. There will be no Russian parades through Kiev. Putin is willing to walk with Donbas/Zap/Crimea.

    The Russian economy is most likely much worse than the Bank of Russia is admitting. They are most likely lying about actual inflation rates.

    Putin wants to get out while he can.

    They can lie about inflation but they wouldn’t be able to stop the Ruble from cratering. Their attempts at stabilizing the currency through interest rates is a cargo cult mentality.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    Putin through Shoigu offered to walk at the current lines.
     
    No, he didn't. Your wishful thinking is getting better of you.

    Russian economy is most likely much worse than the Bank of Russia is admitting.

     

    Is it? There are no shortages, full employment, the economy is growing 2%...is it worse than UK or Germany? Or god forbid, worse than Ukraine? Your wishes are not reality. And checking prices in the Russian stores is trivial - the Russian inflation rate is not a secret. And exchange rate? Have you checked the Turkish lira lately?

    cargo cult mentality
     
    You don't understand what cargo cult means. It is a society that waits for external aid to be given, and after some time comes to expect it, even demand it. That fits Ukraine. But how would that apply to Russia beats me...:)

    Replies: @John Johnson

  763. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Stalemate is unlikely: neither side wants it

    Putin through Shoigu offered to walk at the current lines.

    That means MacGregor/Ritter/MoonOfAlabama are all wrong......again. There will be no Russian parades through Kiev. Putin is willing to walk with Donbas/Zap/Crimea.

    The Russian economy is most likely much worse than the Bank of Russia is admitting. They are most likely lying about actual inflation rates.

    Putin wants to get out while he can.

    They can lie about inflation but they wouldn't be able to stop the Ruble from cratering. Their attempts at stabilizing the currency through interest rates is a cargo cult mentality.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Putin through Shoigu offered to walk at the current lines.

    No, he didn’t. Your wishful thinking is getting better of you.

    Russian economy is most likely much worse than the Bank of Russia is admitting.

    Is it? There are no shortages, full employment, the economy is growing 2%…is it worse than UK or Germany? Or god forbid, worse than Ukraine? Your wishes are not reality. And checking prices in the Russian stores is trivial – the Russian inflation rate is not a secret. And exchange rate? Have you checked the Turkish lira lately?

    cargo cult mentality

    You don’t understand what cargo cult means. It is a society that waits for external aid to be given, and after some time comes to expect it, even demand it. That fits Ukraine. But how would that apply to Russia beats me…:)

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    Putin through Shoigu offered to walk at the current lines.

     

    No, he didn’t. Your wishful thinking is getting better of you.

    No your refusal to read outside pro-Russian sources is once again embarrassing you.

    Both Putin and Shoigu have offered negotiations based on current lines.

    Putin says Russia ready to negotiate over Ukraine
    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-kyiv-putin-negotiate-conflict-1682648

    Is it? There are no shortages, full employment, the economy is growing 2%

    No one knows the actual GDP growth or loss of Russia.

    Russia was clearly lying about their military capability before the invasion. They are most likely lying about the economy. At best they are propping up the GDP with military spending. They certainly aren't expanding their GDP by killing men and putting their families on welfare. Russia won't report their actual casualties. They are a totalitarian society and there is no reason to assume their real economy is expanding. Building ammo and tanks to blow up in a field is not a long term investment. They are also suffering brain drain as they chased tech workers into nearby countries.

    And checking prices in the Russian stores is trivial – the Russian inflation rate is not a secret.

    The inflation rate isn't calculated by visiting a couple stores. You're thinking of the consumer price index and in Russia you would need to do a lengthy nationwide survey. Prices between Moscow and rural areas can be completely different. And that still wouldn't get you the overall inflation rate.

    If calculating the real inflation rate was simple then Western economists would not be arguing over their actual rate.

    The index they cannot hide is the Ruble. Well even with Putin's currency games it is still averaging at a 5 year low against the dollar.

    cargo cult mentality
     
    You don’t understand what cargo cult means. It is a society that waits for external aid to be given, and after some time comes to expect it, even demand it.

    No that isn't it.

    It's used to describe a mentality whereby a perceived solution is mimicked without any knowledge of the process that led to the success.
    https://marzella.io/cargo-cult-mentality

    Basically a false hypothesis.

    Putin is mimicking a common Western response to inflation rates without understanding why and when it is used as a solution.

    Raising interest rates are not a short term solution to inflation caused by sanctions and war. You don't want to restrict capital to businesses. That isn't the problem. There are panicked consumers, limits on foreign supply via sanctions and men in the ground that are unable to buy anything. But good luck explaining this to him. The fact that they are mimicking Western responses to peacetime inflation shows they are amateurs and most likely lying about the economy.

    Replies: @Beckow

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  765. @Beckow
    @AP


    it won’t be a pro-Russian government.
     
    The most likely scenario is like Georgia: an accommodating government that tries to keep its head down and avoids provoking Russia.

    What do you think full deNazification means...
     
    Whatever you want it to mean. I have said from the beginning that de-Nazification is subjective and hard to define. There are a few quasi-Nazis in Ukraine and a huge spectrum of people who slide into it by celebrating Bandera etc...I am sure Russia will find a formula to say it was solved. It is up to them, they are the aggrieved party since the other victims of Ukie WW2 Nazis don't seem to care - like Poland or Israel.

    Russians see Crimea as domestic but they don’t see Kherson or even Donbas as domestic.
     
    They care less but at this point they are committed, so they will fight. The result of Ukie stupidity since 2014.

    55% chance of stalemate at current lines, give or take a dozen towns and villages
    25% chance Ukraine retakes Crimean corridor only
    20% chance Ukraine takes both Crimean corridor and large parts of Crimea, perhaps all of it
    I would add – 1% chance of Russia grabbing a lot more territory
     
    That adds up to 100-to-1 that Kiev would either hold its own or win the war. You are quite an optimist. How? If Kiev has failed with the summer offensive, why would you give it 45% that they will try again and this time prevail?

    Stalemate is unlikely: neither side wants it and it would be too expensive for the West with nothing to show for it other than constant propaganda. It is more likely they would negotiate a deal.

    If they agree on a deal, Kiev will be neutral - no Nato. Based on that EU will not want them - but a permanent Association agreement for the rump Ukraine is possible.

    The most likely outcome is that at some point Kiev collapses - economically or militarily - and a new government negotiates a peace deal with Russia. It could be next year or in 2-5 years. This was all an enormous waste, and by far biggest victims are the Ukies. Agreeing to a normal deal in 2015-22 was preferable. (And they are not France and we are not in 1850.)

    Replies: @John Johnson, @A123, @AP

    Stalemate is unlikely: neither side wants it and it would be too expensive for the West with nothing to show for it other than constant propaganda. It is more likely they would negotiate a deal.

    If they agree on a deal, Kiev will be neutral – no Nato.

    A deal along approximately the current lines gives Russia what they need. It has been on offer for some time. The European Empire has kept Zelensky from taking it.

    You are correct that such a deal would include “No NATO Ever”. And, limitations to guarantee that Kiev will not be able to arm up for Round 2.
    ___

    No one on the Ukie side has addressed the money problem directly. It is clear that the U.S. is boosting its national prestige by walking away from Not-The-President Biden’s folly. And, it does not look like Europe will put in €3-5 Billion per month.

    If Ukraine keeps fighting, it will not be a stalemate. As Kiev runs out of supplies, Russia will be able to advance. Capturing the entire Black Sea coast and hooking up with Transnistria is an achievable goal if Kiev remains intransigent and unreasonable.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @A123


    ...it does not look like Europe will put in €3-5 Billion per month.
     
    It would have to be quite a bit more, Ukraine is still a very big country.

    A deal along approximately the current lines gives Russia what they need.

     

    They say they want security - that means security from cross-border attacks. And the current lines don't do it, they are too close. The dynamic is that in order to assure security for Crimea (a must for Russia), Ukies have to be pushed away from the Black Sea. To assure that security of Black Sea ports, Ukies have to be pushed further inland...and so on and on. The same dynamic exists in Donbass.

    Based on that Russia unless forced to will go further than the current lines. The war is costing them nothing real, the casualties in a country of 150 million would have to be a lot bigger. Their economy does better on war footing - Russia is bad at consumer goods, but does well with materials, steel, weapons. And the cost in the international arena has been paid already, it is a sunk cost.

    Based on society dynamics wars are usually more unpopular at the beginning, then a high level of acceptance kicks in, and only after few more years the anti-war sentiment appears. So there will not be a "revolution" in Russia. Not yet...:)

    If tomorrow Russia offers again the Minsk deal the West would jump on it immediately. But I don't think they will, that ship has sailed. And a few hundred thousands dead later...well, it has been educational in nothing else.
    , @Philip Owen
    @A123

    What is Russia going to offer in return for "no NATO". It had de facto "no NATO" before it started in 2014. "No NATO" would be a total withdrawal from not just Ukrainian territory but a large demilitarized zone (say Russia west of the Volga as well) and conventional arms limitations. Anything less is not a serious offer by Russia. The EU is handing over more cash to Ukraine than all other donors combined. The US contribution is not that big. The US comes in big with obsolete weapon donations, again just about more than all other donors combined. Germany, UK and France account for most of the rest.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @LatW, @A123, @QCIC

  766. @LatW
    @songbird


    Not to get into the weeds, but if Germany had won, I suspect it might have had an interesting effect on film music.
     
    I like the German feel (and sound) very much, but Slavic and Italian would be better from the purely musical point of view - more melodious, "sweeter" sounding, so all three of those should be kept around.

    Replies: @songbird

    I recall that the H-man made some speech were he touted the hundreds of subsidized orchestras in Germany and made some unfavorable comparison to America

    [MORE]
    (though, in truth, I think America has a lot of orchestras and probably had more than it does today, back then.)

    When I heard it, I thought it was a bit silly. Probably a waste of money, when you consider the advent of new technologies like radio and records that can allow more people to hear fewer performers.

    But I wasn’t really thinking about the composition end of it. Having such a system would probably result in more composers, which would have an impact on mass media, like film. And perhaps, even on pop music.
    ____
    Haley is against online anonymity, even though she doesn’t use her real name in politics.

    I don’t support this position, though I do think it would be a major improvement if public officials had to adopt ethnic identifiers.

  767. @Mr. Hack
    @S

    I do own and occasionally listen tp "piper at the gates of dawn", but don't really understand the hero worship of Syd Barret. His input to the overall sound of the band was minimal and the music was just really simple early psychedelia, almost an offshoot of the innocent British Carnaby street scene. Pink Floyd did just fine without the input of Syd Barret, and their really great music came after he departed.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @S

    [I] don’t really understand the hero worship of Syd Barret.

    When someone is struck down young and unexpectedly, as Syd Barrett was, and they’ve got some reasonably good looks and intelligence about them, and perhaps most importantly, many years of lost potential, people don’t want to accept it.

    As a result they can sometimes make the person, rightly or wrongly, into a martyr/hero.

    I think this may have been what happened with Syd, those ’27 club’ members, JFK, and even people like Dr Jeffrey MacDonald, whom (unlike some) I think very much is guilty of murdering his wife and two daughters, and is right where he belongs, in prison.

  768. @John Johnson
    @A123

    Increase. Only vile Leftoids believe in Nazi black skirt swastika judges.

    So if Trump catches a felony on taking home classified documents you actually believe it would boost his reputation with independents? How?

    If you found out your neighbor took home cases of Federal documents would that increase his reputation with you? Do people normally think..........so that guy is actually a felon now.....I like it.

    Trump Bests Biden in Key Swing States in 3rd Poll This Week

    Yes I already mentioned that. Trump is only taking independents because Biden is in the tank. It's a battle of the losers. It isn't as if Trump is gaining popularity outside of the MAGA crowd.

    It's another turd sandwich vs giant douche election.

    What if Trump catches a late felony and that is enough to put the giant douche over the edge?

    Makes more sense for the GOP to run someone less polarizing if the goal is to remove Biden.

    Independents hate both candidates. They view Biden as too old and Trump as an asshole.

    There is also the possibility of Trump getting jail time. Then what? Trump gives his inauguration speech from prison?

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack, @Supply and Demand

    Joe Biden is going to run the biggest margin of victory in American history. Abortion will be the deciding factor.

    If one recalls the Anatoly Karalin presidential predictions in 2020, I correctly predicted 47/50 states and the popular vote swing. I am infallible.

  769. @Beckow
    @AP


    it won’t be a pro-Russian government.
     
    The most likely scenario is like Georgia: an accommodating government that tries to keep its head down and avoids provoking Russia.

    What do you think full deNazification means...
     
    Whatever you want it to mean. I have said from the beginning that de-Nazification is subjective and hard to define. There are a few quasi-Nazis in Ukraine and a huge spectrum of people who slide into it by celebrating Bandera etc...I am sure Russia will find a formula to say it was solved. It is up to them, they are the aggrieved party since the other victims of Ukie WW2 Nazis don't seem to care - like Poland or Israel.

    Russians see Crimea as domestic but they don’t see Kherson or even Donbas as domestic.
     
    They care less but at this point they are committed, so they will fight. The result of Ukie stupidity since 2014.

    55% chance of stalemate at current lines, give or take a dozen towns and villages
    25% chance Ukraine retakes Crimean corridor only
    20% chance Ukraine takes both Crimean corridor and large parts of Crimea, perhaps all of it
    I would add – 1% chance of Russia grabbing a lot more territory
     
    That adds up to 100-to-1 that Kiev would either hold its own or win the war. You are quite an optimist. How? If Kiev has failed with the summer offensive, why would you give it 45% that they will try again and this time prevail?

    Stalemate is unlikely: neither side wants it and it would be too expensive for the West with nothing to show for it other than constant propaganda. It is more likely they would negotiate a deal.

    If they agree on a deal, Kiev will be neutral - no Nato. Based on that EU will not want them - but a permanent Association agreement for the rump Ukraine is possible.

    The most likely outcome is that at some point Kiev collapses - economically or militarily - and a new government negotiates a peace deal with Russia. It could be next year or in 2-5 years. This was all an enormous waste, and by far biggest victims are the Ukies. Agreeing to a normal deal in 2015-22 was preferable. (And they are not France and we are not in 1850.)

    Replies: @John Johnson, @A123, @AP

    The most likely scenario is like Georgia: an accommodating government that tries to keep its head down and avoids provoking Russia

    Too much blood has been spilled for that scenario. And what was left of the most pro-Russian regions has been largely ruined. Zelensky is the least anti-Russian option.

    [denazification] Whatever you want it to mean. I have said from the beginning that de-Nazification is subjective and hard to define

    Except it isn’t really. Russian officials equate Ukrainian nationalism with Nazism and complained about “Nazism” of post-Soviet school
    curriculums, etc. They declared complete “DeNazification” as the goal. And in the occupied territories they have implemented what they wanted: reversion to a mix of Soviet-era and Russian school curriculum, destruction of boos published after independence, purging of all patriots/nationalists.

    Essentially, Ukraine as a Russian satellite state analogous to 1968-1990 Czechoslovakia.

    That adds up to 100-to-1 that Kiev would either hold its own or win the war

    On the battlefield, yes.

    Of course, the conditions of any peace agreement based on current lines may determine if it is a victory or not.

    You are quite an optimist

    A realist. Just as as I was when I said Ukrainians would fight hard and that therefore there was no way that Russia would take Kiev quickly.

    If Kiev has failed with the summer offensive, why would you give it 45% that they will try again and this time prevail

    Because you mischaracterise the “failure.” Ukraine has not wasted those troops and equipment but has held them back for a later time. There is IMO a 45% chance that with ongoing worse attrition, a winter with high casualties for Russians who have destroyed logistics and poor supplies, and appearance of F-16, another try will succeed. Slightly higher chance that it won’t, but nearly even chance that it will.

    Stalemate is unlikely: neither side wants it and it would be too expensive for the West with nothing to show for it other than constant propaganda. It is more likely they would negotiate a deal.

    Neither side wants it now. They will lose more, and Russia will lose more than Ukraine, and for much less purpose.

    If they agree on a deal, Kiev will be neutral – no Nato

    Maybe, maybe not. If no NATO, then nukes with long range missiles.

    If they agree on a deal, Kiev will be neutral – no Nato. Based on that EU will not want them

    No reason to assume that.

    The most likely outcome is that at some point Kiev collapses – economically or militarily – and a new government negotiates a peace deal with Russia. It could be next year or in 2-5 years

    Russia will tire before Ukraine collapses. More Ukrainians support the war than do Russians, and the casualty rate has shifted against Russia.

    Ukrainians are fighting for their homes. They will not stop to allow the Russians in.

    Agreeing to a normal deal in 2015-22 was preferable. (And they are not France and we are not in 1850

    You couldn’t help yourself and added a lie. French language policy is in 2023, it didn’t end in 1850.

    Ukrainians are fighting to prevent what Russia wanted in 2015-2022. They don’t think that was preferable.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    Ukraine has not wasted those troops and equipment but has held them back for a later time...
     
    Are you claiming that no troops were lost in the offensive? US-UK say officially that 70k Ukie soldiers died. If nothing was achieved, by definition they were wasted. Why do you deny something so obvious? And the argument that "not all" were wasted is neither here nor there, of course not - even Germany ended WW2 with millions of soldiers still alive. But the Kiev offensive obviously failed.

    Another attempt along the same lines is even less likely to succeed. The surviving Ukies are not going to rush to sacrifice themselves. Once burnt, people are more careful.


    If no NATO, then nukes with long range missiles.
     
    There is zero chance Kiev will get nukes - not only Russia wouldn't allow it, but also US and EU. Think before you make silly statements. In 1994 it was US who insisted on the nukes shipped to Russia. By the way, Kiev never controlled them, it was a virtual deal.

    no Nato. Based on that EU will not want them

    No reason to assume that.

     

    It is an assumption based on how EU expansion has worked in Eastern Europe: first Nato, then EU.

    ...French language policy is in 2023, it didn’t end in 1850.
     
    It originated in the 19th century, that was my point. You can't do it today - it is against all EU principles for minorities. But you know that, you just like to talk nonsense when you lose an argument.

    Replies: @AP

  770. German_reader says:
    @ShortOnTime
    @German_reader


    But what is the logic why it should “work”? Should the Holocaust give Israel a free get out of jail card for its creeping annexation of territory inhabited by other people and the associated occupation regime? Because criticism of that can’t be anything but irrational hatred? These arguments all fall apart on closer inspection.

     

    Since Israel was founded in 1948, 3 years after WW2, it does serve as a major excuse for Israel's creation and existence. Although of course Jewish settlement into Palestine was ongoing since the late 19th century back when the Ottoman Empire owned the province. Still, it's true that Jews act as if there is no "statute of limitations" on the Holocaust, but don't you dare try voicing that. Then again, Iran has hosted some "Holocaust Denial" conferences over the years lol.

    Ron Unz's version of events about Adolf Eichmann's kidnapping and trial by Israel being about his potential testimony as a living witness of Jew-Nazi collaboration in the settlement of Israel despite the ongoing Jew-Nazi conflict since 1933 is a very interesting take instead of the mainstream version about completely innocent Jews bringing another evil Adolf to justice. Worth clarifying that I'm not a fan of either side of the Jew-Nazi conflict, just like with Israel-Palestine either.


    I’d prefer not to get involved in this conflict myself (since both sides are highly unappealing from my pov), but unfortunately it’s not really possible not to have an opinion in it, given Western ties to Israel and negative repercussions of the conflict for the rest of the world.

     

    I absolutely share the sentiment.

    Sadly it's hard to see a way to avoid Israel casually being able to toss Palestinian refugees from Gaza around the world, even to some destinations of choice.


    Regarding your points about Serbia, I don’t think one should take Fehlinger seriously, the man is a meme character.

     

    He is so over the top and ridiculous that it actually gets funny.

    Still, Fehlinger is just the tip of the iceberg for the anti-Serb crowd on Twitter. There's also that British MP (some similar American and EU equivalents too) Alisha Kearns that was involved in supporting Jihadists in the black ops in Syria and she's pathologically pro-Bosnia and pro-Albanian or anti-Serb, like much of the current British and Western elite. Going into all the rest, especially from the Balkan neighborhood is probably too much.


    Yes, that was common until the 1990s. tbh I don’t think it was any more justified than the subsequent one-sided demonization of Serbs.

     

    Since you're German it's no surprise you're not pro-Serb. Considering everything Germany has done to Serbs in the 20th century, it's to be expected that there's truly no love lost between Germans and Serbs. Although most of the AfD seems to think otherwise.

    I personally find all the Muslim Jihad and Taqqiyah directed against Serbs odious. Like this from Al Jazeera comparing the current Gaza war to Srebrenica lol. Other idiots repeat a similar line too hoping that what sort of worked against Serbs in the 1990's can work against Israel.

    https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1715372456171483304

    https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1720784846027468969

    Replies: @German_reader

    Since you’re German it’s no surprise you’re not pro-Serb. Considering everything Germany has done to Serbs in the 20th century, it’s to be expected that there’s truly no love lost between Germans and Serbs.

    You seem to have trouble with nuance. I think some Serb grievances are legitimate, e.g. the parts of northern Kosovo where Serbs are the majority should be re-united with Serbia, since Albanians oppressing Serbs isn’t any more just or justified than Serbs oppressing Albanians. Doesn’t change the fact however that plenty of Serb nationalists are nutters who go well beyond anything reasonable in their obsessive hatreds and resentments.

    Like this from Al Jazeera comparing the current Gaza war to Srebrenica lol.

    There actually was a massacre of a few thousand Bosniak men in Srebrenica, that isn’t some invention of Islamic propaganda (even if one can argue about the wider context that had preceded the massacre, iirc Bosniak paramilitaries had previously used the UN safe zone as a staging ground for attacks on Serb villages). I don’t think it justified the collective demonization of Serbs and the whitewashing of their enemies’ war crimes, or the later Kosovo war, there is indeed a lot Western countries can be legitimately criticized for in this regard. But neither was Serbia some angelic, pure nation of victims (and nothing else) that was totally in the right. There’s a tendency among Westerners who are repelled by the foreign policy of their own countries (for good reason) to idealize the bogeymen of official Western discourse, but imo that’s a sort of overcompensation that betrays the same Manichaean way of thinking, just flipped around.

    • Replies: @ShortOnTime
    @German_reader


    You seem to have trouble with nuance.

     

    Nuance tends to be hard to get across in written text.

    I think some Serb grievances are legitimate, e.g. the parts of northern Kosovo where Serbs are the majority should be re-united with Serbia, since Albanians oppressing Serbs isn’t any more just or justified than Serbs oppressing Albanians.

     

    That's obviously true, but the problem is that the leaderships of most NATO countries and most neighboring groups think almost completely the opposite and want to see far more blows inflicted upon Serbs. For instance, it's amazing to think that Bosnia could easily be dismembered with Serbs, Croats and Bosnian Muslims parting ways bloodlessly in a relatively equitable manner but instead it's a possible flashpoint for a future war because of too many reasons to quickly list.

    There actually was a massacre of a few thousand Bosniak men in Srebrenica, that isn’t some invention of Islamic propaganda (even if one can argue about the wider context that had preceded the massacre, iirc Bosniak paramilitaries had previously used the UN safe zone as a staging ground for attacks on Serb villages). I don’t think it justified the collective demonization of Serbs and the whitewashing of their enemies’ war crimes, or the later Kosovo war, there is indeed a lot Western countries can be legitimately criticized for in this regard. But neither was Serbia some angelic, pure nation of victims (and nothing else) that was totally in the right.

     

    Still, only Serbs got bombed on mostly false pretexts and an extremely harsh settlement was imposed on them in the 1990's. Of a "Carthaginian Peace" sort.

    I'm not sure you really care too much about the Yugoslav Wars (1991-2001), but it's a very interesting subject rich in history and one where it feels like almost everything that's wrong with the world now was entrenched. The 1990's wars there set lots of terrible precedents and it sort of feels like we're still living in their aftermath. Like compare "Humanitarian pause" in Gaza to "Humanitarian bombing of Serbia/Yugoslavia". Blinken ("Lift and Strike" in Bosnia) and Biden (all those psychotic statements about bombing Serbia) also played leading roles in the Yugoslav Wars and the fact they seem to wreck almost everything they tamper with in international affairs is no surprise. There's also the fact that when Putin annexed Crimea in 2014 in that speech he quoted Kosovo's 2008 Unilateral Declaration of Independence proclamation almost word for word. With the current Gaza War, Iran's paramilitary and weapons smuggling infrastructure around the world has its roots in the Bosnian War back when Iran's war effort against Republika Srpska was done in co-ordination with America and "the collective West". When I read Samuel Huntington's Clash of Civilizations, it was impressive just how much of it focused on the Yugoslav and Bosnian Wars, which was topical back then, but an obviously good example. I feel like these few things are only the tip of the iceberg about all the relevant issues for the present that echo from the Yugoslav Wars.

    Doesn’t change the fact however that plenty of Serb nationalists are nutters who go well beyond anything reasonable in their obsessive hatreds and resentments.

     

    Is that really different from any other group in ex-Yugoslavia though?

    Given what's happening in Kosovo currently, for instance, it feels perfectly justified. It looks like Albin Kurti is trying to do to Serbs in North Kosovo what Ukraine attempted on Donbass Russians and Israel is now executing on Palestinians in Gaza and possibly the West Bank. After Ukraine and Gaza, it's not impossible Kosovo could be the next major explosion coming up.

    But about "revenge" and score settling, it feels like that's the major trend of this decade in the 2020s. Hard not to argue that the "aggressions" of Russia in February 2022 and Hamas on October 7th 2023 didn't have a significant revenge component to them. Not hard to tell that Russia and Hamas are far from the only ones interested in some sort of revenge. "Blood can be smelt in the air". With hindsight, Hamas seems to have seriously made an unwise move with hindsight. Still, reading the history of the many failed offensives of wars in the 20th century and Ukraine's current offensive in 2023, it feels like there's something to be said that in wars staying forever on the defensive and merely reacting is bad for morale, although caution can occasionally be the wiser course of action.

    Of course, it's nonsense that Russia and Hamas share much in common besides being enraged with the "collective West" and specific "American allies" like Ukraine and Israel in each case. This is why the talk that the "Biden Administration" failed at "deterrence" doesn't chime since it's hard to deter someone that isn't "rational" and a significant motivation is revenge. Seems that "deterrence" isn't all about force or coercion and the sense of resentment on the "aggressor's" part is very important too. Of course, this isn't to be "pro-Biden" at all since to begin with, the notion that Americans have any obligation to fight or "deter" Russia and Hamas is absurd.
  771. @German_reader
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-west-should-welcome-gaza-refugees-asylum-seekers-hamas-terrorism-displacement-5d2b5890

    From a high-ranking Likud politician and former Mossad officer.
    Seems to be a pattern with him, a decade ago he wanted to send Africans to Australia:
    https://www.jpost.com/diplomacy-and-politics/danny-danon-send-african-migrants-to-australia

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Seems to be a pattern with him, a decade ago he wanted to send Africans to Australia:
    https://www.jpost.com/diplomacy-and-politics/danny-danon-send-african-migrants-to-australia

    I’m surprised you remember that one. (Or did you just chance up on it?) Impressive if the former.

    When that story came out, it was a posted on now-defunct a blog called ‘Mangan’ (run by one Dennis Mangan). The local yids who’d hang out there tried to pretend Danon was a political nobody. Witnessing such transparent fibbing was one of the early incidents that helped solidify my opinion that jews have a decidedly adversarial relationship with racial realism.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @silviosilver


    I’m surprised you remember that one.
     
    I saw it mentioned in recent weeks and took a mental note of the name of that cunt, so when I saw the WSJ article I thought "Wow, that fellow is really dedicated in his attempts to export Israel's problems to Western countries".
    Totally refutes all those "counter-jihad" arguments about having common interests with Israel (not that the pro-Palestinian side is any more appealing).

    Replies: @silviosilver

  772. Related, IOC shyster James Macleod, says that Israeli athletes shouldn’t be discriminated against for political reasons:

    https://www.jpost.com/bds-threat/article-689297

    The same Macleod is okay with discriminating against innocent Russians and closely related Belarusians:

    https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1142485/noc-asoif-cautioned-friendship-games#comments

    As has been detailed with indisputable facts, the IOC itself has become a politically motivated hack organization which discriminates against innocent Russian and closely related Belarusian athletes.

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/05072023-cancel-the-2024-paris-summer-olympics-idea-oped/

  773. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    Putin through Shoigu offered to walk at the current lines.
     
    No, he didn't. Your wishful thinking is getting better of you.

    Russian economy is most likely much worse than the Bank of Russia is admitting.

     

    Is it? There are no shortages, full employment, the economy is growing 2%...is it worse than UK or Germany? Or god forbid, worse than Ukraine? Your wishes are not reality. And checking prices in the Russian stores is trivial - the Russian inflation rate is not a secret. And exchange rate? Have you checked the Turkish lira lately?

    cargo cult mentality
     
    You don't understand what cargo cult means. It is a society that waits for external aid to be given, and after some time comes to expect it, even demand it. That fits Ukraine. But how would that apply to Russia beats me...:)

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Putin through Shoigu offered to walk at the current lines.

    No, he didn’t. Your wishful thinking is getting better of you.

    No your refusal to read outside pro-Russian sources is once again embarrassing you.

    Both Putin and Shoigu have offered negotiations based on current lines.

    Putin says Russia ready to negotiate over Ukraine
    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-kyiv-putin-negotiate-conflict-1682648

    Is it? There are no shortages, full employment, the economy is growing 2%

    No one knows the actual GDP growth or loss of Russia.

    Russia was clearly lying about their military capability before the invasion. They are most likely lying about the economy. At best they are propping up the GDP with military spending. They certainly aren’t expanding their GDP by killing men and putting their families on welfare. Russia won’t report their actual casualties. They are a totalitarian society and there is no reason to assume their real economy is expanding. Building ammo and tanks to blow up in a field is not a long term investment. They are also suffering brain drain as they chased tech workers into nearby countries.

    And checking prices in the Russian stores is trivial – the Russian inflation rate is not a secret.

    The inflation rate isn’t calculated by visiting a couple stores. You’re thinking of the consumer price index and in Russia you would need to do a lengthy nationwide survey. Prices between Moscow and rural areas can be completely different. And that still wouldn’t get you the overall inflation rate.

    If calculating the real inflation rate was simple then Western economists would not be arguing over their actual rate.

    The index they cannot hide is the Ruble. Well even with Putin’s currency games it is still averaging at a 5 year low against the dollar.

    cargo cult mentality

    You don’t understand what cargo cult means. It is a society that waits for external aid to be given, and after some time comes to expect it, even demand it.

    No that isn’t it.

    It’s used to describe a mentality whereby a perceived solution is mimicked without any knowledge of the process that led to the success.
    https://marzella.io/cargo-cult-mentality

    Basically a false hypothesis.

    Putin is mimicking a common Western response to inflation rates without understanding why and when it is used as a solution.

    Raising interest rates are not a short term solution to inflation caused by sanctions and war. You don’t want to restrict capital to businesses. That isn’t the problem. There are panicked consumers, limits on foreign supply via sanctions and men in the ground that are unable to buy anything. But good luck explaining this to him. The fact that they are mimicking Western responses to peacetime inflation shows they are amateurs and most likely lying about the economy.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...Both Putin and Shoigu have offered negotiations based on current lines.

    Putin says Russia ready to negotiate over Ukraine
     

    No, they didn't. You simply made it up. The Newsweek article you linked is from February 2022 and it only says that Russia is willing to negotiate. Nothing about "current lines".

    Stop with dismissing all data by saying "they lie". It is pointless, who lies? Why would they lie about something so verifiable? The prices for products online and in stores are easily available - all over Russia, not just in Moscow. So if the inflation was what you claim it would be very visible. But it isn't: food and energy prices in Russia are actually down. You seem to know nothing about how it works. Countries don't have "50%" inflation without somebody noticing.

    I don't know what "marzella.io" is, but in my circles cargo cult is well understood as what Papua natives did in WW2: cargo was dropped accidentally by the US planes, they came to expect it without understanding how it was produced.

    There is an overlap with your definition, but very small - and it absolutely doesn't apply to Russia. Based on what? Raising interest rates cools down the economy and props up one's currency. There is nothing magical or false about it and it doesn't always work (it is called "pushing on a string"). But why would you bizarrely apply it to Russia other than your deep hatred for Russia? Maybe with that much emotional baggage you should seek some help. The next few months could be really hard for you.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  774. @AP
    @Beckow


    The most likely scenario is like Georgia: an accommodating government that tries to keep its head down and avoids provoking Russia
     
    Too much blood has been spilled for that scenario. And what was left of the most pro-Russian regions has been largely ruined. Zelensky is the least anti-Russian option.

    [denazification] Whatever you want it to mean. I have said from the beginning that de-Nazification is subjective and hard to define
     
    Except it isn’t really. Russian officials equate Ukrainian nationalism with Nazism and complained about “Nazism” of post-Soviet school
    curriculums, etc. They declared complete “DeNazification” as the goal. And in the occupied territories they have implemented what they wanted: reversion to a mix of Soviet-era and Russian school curriculum, destruction of boos published after independence, purging of all patriots/nationalists.

    Essentially, Ukraine as a Russian satellite state analogous to 1968-1990 Czechoslovakia.

    That adds up to 100-to-1 that Kiev would either hold its own or win the war
     
    On the battlefield, yes.

    Of course, the conditions of any peace agreement based on current lines may determine if it is a victory or not.

    You are quite an optimist

     

    A realist. Just as as I was when I said Ukrainians would fight hard and that therefore there was no way that Russia would take Kiev quickly.

    If Kiev has failed with the summer offensive, why would you give it 45% that they will try again and this time prevail
     
    Because you mischaracterise the “failure.” Ukraine has not wasted those troops and equipment but has held them back for a later time. There is IMO a 45% chance that with ongoing worse attrition, a winter with high casualties for Russians who have destroyed logistics and poor supplies, and appearance of F-16, another try will succeed. Slightly higher chance that it won’t, but nearly even chance that it will.

    Stalemate is unlikely: neither side wants it and it would be too expensive for the West with nothing to show for it other than constant propaganda. It is more likely they would negotiate a deal.
     
    Neither side wants it now. They will lose more, and Russia will lose more than Ukraine, and for much less purpose.

    If they agree on a deal, Kiev will be neutral – no Nato
     
    Maybe, maybe not. If no NATO, then nukes with long range missiles.

    If they agree on a deal, Kiev will be neutral – no Nato. Based on that EU will not want them
     
    No reason to assume that.

    The most likely outcome is that at some point Kiev collapses – economically or militarily – and a new government negotiates a peace deal with Russia. It could be next year or in 2-5 years

     

    Russia will tire before Ukraine collapses. More Ukrainians support the war than do Russians, and the casualty rate has shifted against Russia.

    Ukrainians are fighting for their homes. They will not stop to allow the Russians in.

    Agreeing to a normal deal in 2015-22 was preferable. (And they are not France and we are not in 1850
     
    You couldn’t help yourself and added a lie. French language policy is in 2023, it didn’t end in 1850.

    Ukrainians are fighting to prevent what Russia wanted in 2015-2022. They don’t think that was preferable.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Ukraine has not wasted those troops and equipment but has held them back for a later time…

    Are you claiming that no troops were lost in the offensive? US-UK say officially that 70k Ukie soldiers died. If nothing was achieved, by definition they were wasted. Why do you deny something so obvious? And the argument that “not all” were wasted is neither here nor there, of course not – even Germany ended WW2 with millions of soldiers still alive. But the Kiev offensive obviously failed.

    Another attempt along the same lines is even less likely to succeed. The surviving Ukies are not going to rush to sacrifice themselves. Once burnt, people are more careful.

    If no NATO, then nukes with long range missiles.

    There is zero chance Kiev will get nukes – not only Russia wouldn’t allow it, but also US and EU. Think before you make silly statements. In 1994 it was US who insisted on the nukes shipped to Russia. By the way, Kiev never controlled them, it was a virtual deal.

    no Nato. Based on that EU will not want them

    No reason to assume that.

    It is an assumption based on how EU expansion has worked in Eastern Europe: first Nato, then EU.

    …French language policy is in 2023, it didn’t end in 1850.

    It originated in the 19th century, that was my point. You can’t do it today – it is against all EU principles for minorities. But you know that, you just like to talk nonsense when you lose an argument.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    Ukraine has not wasted those troops and equipment but has held them back for a later time…

    Are you claiming that no troops were lost in the offensive? US-UK say officially that 70k Ukie soldiers died
     
    Don’t lie. The 70k refers to the entire war, not to the paused (?) offensive.

    If nothing was achieved, by definition they were wasted
     
    They took a few villages and learned that it would be better to wait and attrite.

    even Germany ended WW2 with millions of soldiers still alive

     

    It didn’t end the war with more soldiers who were better equipped than when it started.

    Another attempt along the same lines is even less likely to succeed
     
    Not if Russian troops, logistics, and equipment are further degraded at a rate that is faster than replacement, while Ukraine gets better weapons.

    If no NATO, then nukes with long range missiles.

    There is zero chance Kiev will get nukes – not only Russia wouldn’t allow it, but also US and EU
     
    Ukraine probably has dirty bombs now, it can play dirty too if it needs to. It would be trivial for Ukraine to do what North Korea or Pakistan have done. It might even share nukes with Poland, Poles explicitly say that Ukraine should have its own nukes.

    You keep saying that the USA uses Ukraine to hurt Russia but you think the USA would mind if a Ukraine unconnected to America via NATO had its own nukes pointed at Moscow?

    no Nato. Based on that EU will not want them

    No reason to assume that.


    It is an assumption based on how EU expansion has worked in Eastern Europe: first Nato, then EU
     
    No reason to assume that Ukraine would not be granted the Finland or Austria solutions of neutrality with respect to NATO, but also EU.

    But perhaps nukes could be a bargaining chip for EU membership.

    French language policy is in 2023, it didn’t end in 1850.

    It originated in the 19th century, that was my point. You can’t do it today – it is against all EU principles for minorities
     
    France does it today. So do the Baltics. What EU principles if second largest EU member does it?

    The fact that evil Russians are the target make it even more palatable to the EU.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @QCIC

  775. @Dmitry
    @Mikel


    historical reasons for all of this. The US is a frontier country,
     
    I don't think "Americans kill more civilians" because they are a frontier culture.

    It's partly because they are by far the most powerful country in the world, also since 1945 probably trying to reduce ground operations because of the need of politicians in the democratic society to have low deaths of soldiers.

    So, instead of the ground operation, they sometimes use weapons which allow them greater distance so they reduce their soldiers' deaths. This is the drone attacks in Pakistan, artillery against ISIS. Even in the Vietnam war, most of the killing was probably from the aviation attacks, not ground forces.

    In 1945, maybe it was also result of the American scientific advances, which allowed them to win the war destroying civilian cities, without a ground operation.


    First World countries have historically caused the largest amount of civilian casualties in their wars, even after becoming “First World”.
     
    They have most of the military power, so the variables are not controlled.

    The comparison would be if you give the same quantity power to the third world countries, the situation would be safer? Would it be the same? More dangerous?.


    I think something similar would have happened in Donbas in 2014-2015 if the media coverage would have been similar to Gaza. Alas, it wasn’t.

     

    Media coverage is disproportionate and it's determined by some subjective or political reasons, not objectively.

    For example, Egypt had a larger war in the Sinai than Israel since 1982 until 2023, but there is nowhere to read about this in the media. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinai_insurgency Even though this is a few kilometers from Gaza, Egyptian army fighting against similar Muslim Brotherhood related groups as Hamas.

    Replies: @Mikel

    I don’t think “Americans kill more civilians” because they are a frontier culture.

    I wouldn’t say that Americans have a higher propensity to kill civilians than others (eg Russians or Ukrainians) in their military operations but, as you say, they carry out many more such operations in the attempt to be the arbiter of all conflicts and the act of killing innocent people in those interventions has become quite normalized. You don’t see a lot of guilt in the American society for having killed hundreds of thousands of civilians abroad in the past decades. You hear much more about feelings of guilt for America’s past of racial or sexual discrimination, and such leftists talking points.

    But I do think that the frontier culture has a lot to do with the differences I clearly observe between Western Europe and the US. There is a gun culture here that is totally absent in Western Europe and you frequently hear about crimes like shootings and people killing their own families that are extremely rare in Europe (outside of Gypsy communities). This happens even in relatively peaceful places with rather low levels of criminality like Utah. The situation in some enclaves all around the US is of course much worse and could almost be described as a latent armed conflict with thousands of victims every year. It don’t think it would be realistic to think that in a country where people are used to live with this reality of so many countrymen dying to violence you can expect the same level of sensibility to innocent people dying abroad as you find in countries where violence is much lower.

    That’s in fact what I’ve observed a couple of times when talking to Americans about foreign armed conflicts. One of them had a lot of trouble understanding why I opposed the armed groups in the Basque Country, even though I did support independence. I guess the Hollywood movie mentality also played a role in this particular instance.

    The comparison would be if you give the same quantity power to the third world countries, the situation would be safer? Would it be the same? More dangerous?

    The massacres of the Hutus-Tutsis or the Hamas attacks on October 7th suggest that it would be much worse. But I’m not entirely sure, to be honest. There is a reason why these societies never achieved the same technological and organizational levels and a manifestation of that is low impulse control. These are societies where people live “the moment” much more than in the highly civilized ones. The Hamas terrorists committed unspeakable atrocities but then, past the moment of high emotion, they decided to treat their hostages well (according to some of the latter’s own testimony) because “we are Muslims”. It doesn’t make too much sense. It’s not even clear that the October 7th attacks had any concrete goal or that their perpetrators thought too much about what all that violence would lead to.

    In Chile (and likely other Latin American countries) people use a very racist expression for the act of becoming unconscionably violent. It could be loosely translated as “the Indian awoke on him” (se le bajó el indio). A long time ago a Chilean told me that I should stay clear from any of his low-class compatriots where the “Indian had awoken”. He would just try to cause me maximum harm and forget about all consequences to himself. He wouldn’t even care if he ended up killed. It wasn’t easy to imagine such a behavior but yes, as I found out later in a couple of occasions, this is exactly how they sometimes behave, even though most of the time they could even look like normal, good-natured people. The idea that all human groups have similar behavioral patterns doesn’t resist contact with reality.

    So perhaps what we would see in Third World societies with fire power comparable to the First World ones is bouts of extreme violence followed by periods of more moderation. It’s not like people in 3rd World countries are killing each other non-stop. They have their own religious and social mechanisms of violence control. And it’s not like there aren’t plenty of 3rd World countries with very powerful armed forces. However, with the lack of information that, as you say, we have about many of their conflicts, it would appear that the methodical, elaborate course of action of civilized countries once they decide to lose their moral constraints may ultimately lead to a higher count of innocent victims.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mikel


    lack of information that, as you say, we have about many of their conflicts
     
    I would say there is not an interest of the media to report them. Most of the deaths are in the wars of the developing countries, just normal people who are not nerds don't read about them.

    If you look at the numbers of civilians killed in the developing countries' wars, they are higher anyone has been killed directly by the American military since Vietnam, which is 50 years ago now, almost a different epoch

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigray_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur_genocide
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Civil_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemeni_civil_war_(2014%E2%80%93present)

    Replies: @Mikel

  776. @Beckow
    @LatW

    Führer was a puritan, that was a big part of his problem. I am not sure that is so admirable.


    So the Nazis did take advantage of her.
     
    It was mutual...plus they had those shiny uniforms, how could she resist?

    you should judge him too harshly for what his uncle was doing.
     
    I don't judge him, it was before my time anyway. But Havel's plays are unwatchable and the one movie he made is literally the worst movie ever made - even his admirers admit it. Havel benefitted tremendously from his Nazi-collaborator family's wealth and connections. Under the commies his family still kept a huge Prague center apartment that came very handy: he could hold artistic parties. He never went to university and not because of restrictions, he was simply too stupid and spaced-out so he started as a theatre stage hand. His brother was a Charles's Univ. professor and there were no restrictions on them studying, Vaclav was just lazy.

    We are still amused by how he acquired his status in the West. But looking at Zelko, the Westerners are not too squishy about who they promote. As long as they serve.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    Once I stumbled upon a house near Tanecni Dum (Dancing House) in Prague which was build either by Vaclav father or grandfather (there is a plaque inside). It faces Veltava. It made me aware it was a rich family, a fact somehow downplayed by Vaclav.
    Moreover, maybe Havel family was somehow connected to freemasonry and its secret strings of power…
    I am still amazed by their tombstone, so masonic in shape!


    Prague was one of centers of Rosicrucians, alchemists, and other secret societies etc, not only because of the emperor Rudolph. You can see alchemists symbols like Sun & Moon here and there in Prague.

    Hermetic symbolism very close to Vaclavske Namesti in Prague:

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Another Polish Perspective


    ...Havel family was somehow connected to freemasonry and its secret strings of power…
     
    Havel's family was connected, period. They were very close to power and the cultural elites in Prague who changed surprisingly little as the different systems were tried: Habsburgs, first republic, Nazis, commies, and whatever it is now. Same people with the same real estate pop up again and again.

    The joke is that you can't have a real revolution in Prague because everyone knows everyone else who matters. There was a communist minister of culture whose brother was married to a former Nazi lover (female), the texture of parties and friendships so thick that no system impacts it much. One reason is that Prague is so great as a city that people don't move out. And blood is thicker than water.

    Freemasonry if it existed in Prague (it probably did) would not be taken too seriously, they would see it as a way to clown around and have a drink together. You have to understand that they have no convictions, they live above (or below) that...it is all a game because the surroundings are so incredibly magical. But only an idiot would take what they say seriously.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  777. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    You can make the AI Anime yourself. You couldn't put it on youtube but I am sure Rumble would make it available to the Nations. : )

    Replies: @songbird

    Have often wished there was some organization that solicited politically incorrect ideas, for the purposes satire.
    _____
    Don’t know to what extent Xi is being strong-arm chaperoned in San Fran, but if he has his own driver and security team, it would be really funny if if they ditched the itinerary and raced off to stage an incident where Xi steps in human excrement and made a big thing of it in Chinese media.

    Would be much better than that time Bush puked on the Japanese PM:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush_vomiting_incident

    • Replies: @S
    @songbird


    Would be much better than that time Bush puked on the Japanese PM:
     
    That was hilariously salaried in one of the Hot Shots movies from the early 90's. :-)

    https://youtu.be/-nHkJ6ycnDg?si=tGTrufsUNa0I5Raw
  778. @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    Putin through Shoigu offered to walk at the current lines.

     

    No, he didn’t. Your wishful thinking is getting better of you.

    No your refusal to read outside pro-Russian sources is once again embarrassing you.

    Both Putin and Shoigu have offered negotiations based on current lines.

    Putin says Russia ready to negotiate over Ukraine
    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-kyiv-putin-negotiate-conflict-1682648

    Is it? There are no shortages, full employment, the economy is growing 2%

    No one knows the actual GDP growth or loss of Russia.

    Russia was clearly lying about their military capability before the invasion. They are most likely lying about the economy. At best they are propping up the GDP with military spending. They certainly aren't expanding their GDP by killing men and putting their families on welfare. Russia won't report their actual casualties. They are a totalitarian society and there is no reason to assume their real economy is expanding. Building ammo and tanks to blow up in a field is not a long term investment. They are also suffering brain drain as they chased tech workers into nearby countries.

    And checking prices in the Russian stores is trivial – the Russian inflation rate is not a secret.

    The inflation rate isn't calculated by visiting a couple stores. You're thinking of the consumer price index and in Russia you would need to do a lengthy nationwide survey. Prices between Moscow and rural areas can be completely different. And that still wouldn't get you the overall inflation rate.

    If calculating the real inflation rate was simple then Western economists would not be arguing over their actual rate.

    The index they cannot hide is the Ruble. Well even with Putin's currency games it is still averaging at a 5 year low against the dollar.

    cargo cult mentality
     
    You don’t understand what cargo cult means. It is a society that waits for external aid to be given, and after some time comes to expect it, even demand it.

    No that isn't it.

    It's used to describe a mentality whereby a perceived solution is mimicked without any knowledge of the process that led to the success.
    https://marzella.io/cargo-cult-mentality

    Basically a false hypothesis.

    Putin is mimicking a common Western response to inflation rates without understanding why and when it is used as a solution.

    Raising interest rates are not a short term solution to inflation caused by sanctions and war. You don't want to restrict capital to businesses. That isn't the problem. There are panicked consumers, limits on foreign supply via sanctions and men in the ground that are unable to buy anything. But good luck explaining this to him. The fact that they are mimicking Western responses to peacetime inflation shows they are amateurs and most likely lying about the economy.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Both Putin and Shoigu have offered negotiations based on current lines.

    Putin says Russia ready to negotiate over Ukraine

    No, they didn’t. You simply made it up. The Newsweek article you linked is from February 2022 and it only says that Russia is willing to negotiate. Nothing about “current lines”.

    Stop with dismissing all data by saying “they lie”. It is pointless, who lies? Why would they lie about something so verifiable? The prices for products online and in stores are easily available – all over Russia, not just in Moscow. So if the inflation was what you claim it would be very visible. But it isn’t: food and energy prices in Russia are actually down. You seem to know nothing about how it works. Countries don’t have “50%” inflation without somebody noticing.

    I don’t know what “marzella.io” is, but in my circles cargo cult is well understood as what Papua natives did in WW2: cargo was dropped accidentally by the US planes, they came to expect it without understanding how it was produced.

    There is an overlap with your definition, but very small – and it absolutely doesn’t apply to Russia. Based on what? Raising interest rates cools down the economy and props up one’s currency. There is nothing magical or false about it and it doesn’t always work (it is called “pushing on a string”). But why would you bizarrely apply it to Russia other than your deep hatred for Russia? Maybe with that much emotional baggage you should seek some help. The next few months could be really hard for you.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    No, they didn’t. You simply made it up. The Newsweek article you linked is from February 2022 and it only says that Russia is willing to negotiate. Nothing about “current lines”.

    Of course he means current lines. What are you going to argue? He is willing to negotiate as long as he gets the entire country? That isn't negotiating.

    Anyways it is right here:
    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-shoigu-beijing-ukraine-peace-talks-1839149
    The Kremlin has specified a few conditions that are non-negotiable for Russia, including that Ukraine must accept the September 2022 annexation of four of its regions—Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia—following referendums called by Putin that were deemed illegal by the international community.

    I guess I have to do your Googling for you since you only pretend to read the news.

    Putin doesn't care about marching on Kiev. Yes that means all the pro-Putin military analysts were wrong. Deal with it.

    Stop with dismissing all data by saying “they lie”. It is pointless, who lies? Why would they lie about something so verifiable?

    The actual inflation rate isn't verifiable by Western economists. That is why they are currently debating it.

    Putin has zero credibility at this point. Did you forget about how he claimed it was a military exercise and that they would never attack?

    Russia has been lying about the capabilities of its military. They wouldn't be conscripting if they had the number of active duty they claimed in 2021. They also lied about their T-90 and T-14 stocks. It's actually possible that no one in the Russian military actually knows their true capabilities. This what happens in a country that is plagued by corruption. No one knows what is actually built or sold. Orders are fudged and payoffs are made. They didn't even have enough boots or coats in the previous winter which shows they are a nation built on lies. Even Stalin made sure his troops had enough boots and wool coats. Heck they didn't even have enough medic packs. Conscripts were filmed on hidden video being told to find tampons for bullet wounds.

    But it isn’t: food and energy prices in Russia are actually down. You seem to know nothing about how it works.

    That's false. Russia has record inflation and food prices are up
    https://www.moscowtimes.ru/2023/11/13/tseni-rastut-frontalno-inflyatsiya-vrossii-ustanovila-novii-rekord-a113037

    Why do you think Russia raised interest rates 4 times this year? To throw off the West?

    You're not even bother to Google "Russia inflation" in the news to see what Russia actually claims. Maybe give it a try:
    https://news.google.com/search?q=russia+inflation

    I don’t know what “marzella.io” is, but in my circles cargo cult is well understood as what Papua natives did in WW2: cargo was dropped accidentally by the US planes, they came to expect it without understanding how it was produced.

    It was dropped accidentally but they didn't understand planes or why cargo would fall from the sky. They tried to duplicate the original environment to bring back the cargo without understanding why it was dropped in the first place. Cargo cult mentality describes applying a percieved model or theory without understanding the underlying process behind the desired result.
    https://themindcollection.com/cargo-cults/

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Beckow

  779. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Beckow

    Once I stumbled upon a house near Tanecni Dum (Dancing House) in Prague which was build either by Vaclav father or grandfather (there is a plaque inside). It faces Veltava. It made me aware it was a rich family, a fact somehow downplayed by Vaclav.
    Moreover, maybe Havel family was somehow connected to freemasonry and its secret strings of power...
    I am still amazed by their tombstone, so masonic in shape!

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/V%C3%A1clav_Havel-hrob%2C_H%C5%99bitov_Vinohrady_04.jpg

    Prague was one of centers of Rosicrucians, alchemists, and other secret societies etc, not only because of the emperor Rudolph. You can see alchemists symbols like Sun & Moon here and there in Prague.


    Hermetic symbolism very close to Vaclavske Namesti in Prague:

    https://pragitecture.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/28.-rijna-37815-the-golden-hive.jpg

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Havel family was somehow connected to freemasonry and its secret strings of power…

    Havel’s family was connected, period. They were very close to power and the cultural elites in Prague who changed surprisingly little as the different systems were tried: Habsburgs, first republic, Nazis, commies, and whatever it is now. Same people with the same real estate pop up again and again.

    The joke is that you can’t have a real revolution in Prague because everyone knows everyone else who matters. There was a communist minister of culture whose brother was married to a former Nazi lover (female), the texture of parties and friendships so thick that no system impacts it much. One reason is that Prague is so great as a city that people don’t move out. And blood is thicker than water.

    Freemasonry if it existed in Prague (it probably did) would not be taken too seriously, they would see it as a way to clown around and have a drink together. You have to understand that they have no convictions, they live above (or below) that…it is all a game because the surroundings are so incredibly magical. But only an idiot would take what they say seriously.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow

    The rich guys whose wives you doctor may not take it serious but there's a few people who do.

    https://czechhermetics.com/

    Golem of Prague

    https://livingprague.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/prague-golem-old-town-square.jpg

    The people who support the statue are likely not serious. The guy who was the subject of the story? That guy was serious.

    Replies: @Beckow

  780. Hamas militant caught posing as medic and taking rifle from downed militant:

    West Bank medic takes weapon from downed militant, passes it to another militant to continue shooting at IDF. Today. Jenin.
    byu/nivivi inCombatFootage

    Once they touch a rifle it makes them an armed combatant.

    These people have absolutely zero credibility.

  781. German_reader says:
    @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    Seems to be a pattern with him, a decade ago he wanted to send Africans to Australia:
    https://www.jpost.com/diplomacy-and-politics/danny-danon-send-african-migrants-to-australia
     
    I'm surprised you remember that one. (Or did you just chance up on it?) Impressive if the former.

    When that story came out, it was a posted on now-defunct a blog called 'Mangan' (run by one Dennis Mangan). The local yids who'd hang out there tried to pretend Danon was a political nobody. Witnessing such transparent fibbing was one of the early incidents that helped solidify my opinion that jews have a decidedly adversarial relationship with racial realism.

    Replies: @German_reader

    I’m surprised you remember that one.

    I saw it mentioned in recent weeks and took a mental note of the name of that cunt, so when I saw the WSJ article I thought “Wow, that fellow is really dedicated in his attempts to export Israel’s problems to Western countries”.
    Totally refutes all those “counter-jihad” arguments about having common interests with Israel (not that the pro-Palestinian side is any more appealing).

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @German_reader

    There's nothing unique about Danon, of course. That's how virtually all of them think. Other yids who showed up on that blog I mentioned tried the "Israel is meant to be Jewish, not diverse, but you guys love diversity, so we're doing you a favor sending them over" approach. "Tell them anything that works" is their basic attitude. This isn't difficult to grasp. The question of the ages is why do western polities so adamantly insist on blinding themselves to racial and cultural realities, particularly when so many of the arguments for "diversity" can easily be shown to be based on outright falsehoods? Very perplexing.


    Totally refutes all those “counter-jihad” arguments about having common interests with Israel
     
    Those arguments are not to be taken seriously. I could, with some hesitation, justify them as a 'gateway drug,' but that is all.
  782. @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    The times, they are a changing:

    https://youtu.be/1u5Gkh2t1ZI
    The young coiffed up ladies were a pleasant sight.

    Replies: @S

    The young coiffed up ladies were a pleasant sight.

    Yes, on the right women some of those 60’s hairstyles were alright. Supposedly ‘the flip’ is making a comeback.

    [MORE]

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @S

    BTW, my 91 year old roommate stood next to Jane Fonda at an anti-war rally late 60's/early 70's at the main library at the University of Maryland. He said that she was a "real doll" but not as tall as she claimed (5'8"). He of course was a staunch anti-commie, but still always had a soft spot in his heart for
    "Hanoi Jane".

    https://www.hmm-364.org/all-photos/hanoijane.jpg

    , @Mr. Hack
    @S

    I happened upon this clip last night quite by chance and thought of you and the dollish looking young ladies of the mid/late 60's, this time in Paris during a New Year's eve bash. The young men looked dashing too, almost all wearing long sleeve oxford shirts and ties. Everybody's hair was long, fluffy and very clean looking too. The photography is top notch and quite clear, featuring the Who, Small Faces, Booker T and the MG's and some others too. What a happy and exuberant crowd of onlookers. Oh to be young and carefree again! Keith Moon's drumming was "out of this world":

    https://youtu.be/vVjzPqcdHXQ
    Hopefully, Ivashka can sometime soon tell us whether anything like the spirit exhibited within this clip is still present within the clubs of Paris?

    Replies: @S

  783. @A123
    @Beckow


    Stalemate is unlikely: neither side wants it and it would be too expensive for the West with nothing to show for it other than constant propaganda. It is more likely they would negotiate a deal.

    If they agree on a deal, Kiev will be neutral – no Nato.
     

    A deal along approximately the current lines gives Russia what they need. It has been on offer for some time. The European Empire has kept Zelensky from taking it.

    You are correct that such a deal would include "No NATO Ever". And, limitations to guarantee that Kiev will not be able to arm up for Round 2.
    ___

    No one on the Ukie side has addressed the money problem directly. It is clear that the U.S. is boosting its national prestige by walking away from Not-The-President Biden's folly. And, it does not look like Europe will put in €3-5 Billion per month.

    If Ukraine keeps fighting, it will not be a stalemate. As Kiev runs out of supplies, Russia will be able to advance. Capturing the entire Black Sea coast and hooking up with Transnistria is an achievable goal if Kiev remains intransigent and unreasonable.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow, @Philip Owen

    …it does not look like Europe will put in €3-5 Billion per month.

    It would have to be quite a bit more, Ukraine is still a very big country.

    A deal along approximately the current lines gives Russia what they need.

    They say they want security – that means security from cross-border attacks. And the current lines don’t do it, they are too close. The dynamic is that in order to assure security for Crimea (a must for Russia), Ukies have to be pushed away from the Black Sea. To assure that security of Black Sea ports, Ukies have to be pushed further inland…and so on and on. The same dynamic exists in Donbass.

    Based on that Russia unless forced to will go further than the current lines. The war is costing them nothing real, the casualties in a country of 150 million would have to be a lot bigger. Their economy does better on war footing – Russia is bad at consumer goods, but does well with materials, steel, weapons. And the cost in the international arena has been paid already, it is a sunk cost.

    Based on society dynamics wars are usually more unpopular at the beginning, then a high level of acceptance kicks in, and only after few more years the anti-war sentiment appears. So there will not be a “revolution” in Russia. Not yet…:)

    If tomorrow Russia offers again the Minsk deal the West would jump on it immediately. But I don’t think they will, that ship has sailed. And a few hundred thousands dead later…well, it has been educational in nothing else.

  784. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...Both Putin and Shoigu have offered negotiations based on current lines.

    Putin says Russia ready to negotiate over Ukraine
     

    No, they didn't. You simply made it up. The Newsweek article you linked is from February 2022 and it only says that Russia is willing to negotiate. Nothing about "current lines".

    Stop with dismissing all data by saying "they lie". It is pointless, who lies? Why would they lie about something so verifiable? The prices for products online and in stores are easily available - all over Russia, not just in Moscow. So if the inflation was what you claim it would be very visible. But it isn't: food and energy prices in Russia are actually down. You seem to know nothing about how it works. Countries don't have "50%" inflation without somebody noticing.

    I don't know what "marzella.io" is, but in my circles cargo cult is well understood as what Papua natives did in WW2: cargo was dropped accidentally by the US planes, they came to expect it without understanding how it was produced.

    There is an overlap with your definition, but very small - and it absolutely doesn't apply to Russia. Based on what? Raising interest rates cools down the economy and props up one's currency. There is nothing magical or false about it and it doesn't always work (it is called "pushing on a string"). But why would you bizarrely apply it to Russia other than your deep hatred for Russia? Maybe with that much emotional baggage you should seek some help. The next few months could be really hard for you.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    No, they didn’t. You simply made it up. The Newsweek article you linked is from February 2022 and it only says that Russia is willing to negotiate. Nothing about “current lines”.

    Of course he means current lines. What are you going to argue? He is willing to negotiate as long as he gets the entire country? That isn’t negotiating.

    Anyways it is right here:
    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-shoigu-beijing-ukraine-peace-talks-1839149
    The Kremlin has specified a few conditions that are non-negotiable for Russia, including that Ukraine must accept the September 2022 annexation of four of its regions—Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia—following referendums called by Putin that were deemed illegal by the international community.

    I guess I have to do your Googling for you since you only pretend to read the news.

    Putin doesn’t care about marching on Kiev. Yes that means all the pro-Putin military analysts were wrong. Deal with it.

    Stop with dismissing all data by saying “they lie”. It is pointless, who lies? Why would they lie about something so verifiable?

    The actual inflation rate isn’t verifiable by Western economists. That is why they are currently debating it.

    Putin has zero credibility at this point. Did you forget about how he claimed it was a military exercise and that they would never attack?

    Russia has been lying about the capabilities of its military. They wouldn’t be conscripting if they had the number of active duty they claimed in 2021. They also lied about their T-90 and T-14 stocks. It’s actually possible that no one in the Russian military actually knows their true capabilities. This what happens in a country that is plagued by corruption. No one knows what is actually built or sold. Orders are fudged and payoffs are made. They didn’t even have enough boots or coats in the previous winter which shows they are a nation built on lies. Even Stalin made sure his troops had enough boots and wool coats. Heck they didn’t even have enough medic packs. Conscripts were filmed on hidden video being told to find tampons for bullet wounds.

    But it isn’t: food and energy prices in Russia are actually down. You seem to know nothing about how it works.

    That’s false. Russia has record inflation and food prices are up
    https://www.moscowtimes.ru/2023/11/13/tseni-rastut-frontalno-inflyatsiya-vrossii-ustanovila-novii-rekord-a113037

    Why do you think Russia raised interest rates 4 times this year? To throw off the West?

    You’re not even bother to Google “Russia inflation” in the news to see what Russia actually claims. Maybe give it a try:
    https://news.google.com/search?q=russia+inflation

    I don’t know what “marzella.io” is, but in my circles cargo cult is well understood as what Papua natives did in WW2: cargo was dropped accidentally by the US planes, they came to expect it without understanding how it was produced.

    It was dropped accidentally but they didn’t understand planes or why cargo would fall from the sky. They tried to duplicate the original environment to bring back the cargo without understanding why it was dropped in the first place. Cargo cult mentality describes applying a percieved model or theory without understanding the underlying process behind the desired result.
    https://themindcollection.com/cargo-cults/

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @John Johnson

    I read an expert on dollarizing economies (currently advising Argentina) today. In a chart he published, no longer in reach, he showed real inflation in Russia at 58%. My ex employees are very clear that food prices, all prices, are rising drastically.

    It is possible to see figures showing Russian food prices falling. Prices for staples, the Borscht set, are published monthly and compared with the previous month. So during the summer as the harvest comes in, these prices can show a month on month decline. Milk and some meats also have seasonal patterns.

    , @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    Of course he means current lines. What are you going to argue?
     
    But he didn't say it. Russia claims Crimea+4 oblasts - the current lines don't match it. Russia also insists on "security", the frozen lines would not provide security for either side.

    There is no indication that Russia ever wanted to occupy all of Ukraine - they never said it and never used forces big enough to accomplish it. They called the damn thing "SMO" and not a "war" so it would be clear to everyone. (I think that was pointless, it is a war.)

    You are doing the usual losers' game: "but they wanted everything, and look they only got some of it - so we win!"...it is kind of sad and it only enhances the loss. Deal with reality and not with what you imagine - or what "someone said", why does that matter? Who the hell is Ritter? Russia clearly only wants a neutral, non-threatening Ukraine, and the Russian areas for itself. They don't want to run streetcars in Kiev or Lviv. Who would be that stupid?


    The actual inflation rate isn’t verifiable by Western economists. That is why they are currently debating it.
     
    Sure, within reason...a few % points up (or down), similar to the West. Or do you actually believe that US inflation is 3%? But it is not 50% as that wacko Philip Owen claims - he is probably bitter about Russia because Russia kicked him out or he lost money, so he has an agenda. To argue with "some people say prices are going up" is meaningless.

    You are now are put your bet on Russian "inflation". That shows desperation. What if it doesn't happen? What if it does and changes nothing? Maybe you can dig up comrade "Prigozhin" and see if he can march again...or send that Armenian chess-master to be a "president". You are running out of even crazy options.

    Or you can wake up and accept that a deal that meets Russian goals at least in some way will be necessary to end it.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail

  785. @Beckow
    @AP


    Ukraine has not wasted those troops and equipment but has held them back for a later time...
     
    Are you claiming that no troops were lost in the offensive? US-UK say officially that 70k Ukie soldiers died. If nothing was achieved, by definition they were wasted. Why do you deny something so obvious? And the argument that "not all" were wasted is neither here nor there, of course not - even Germany ended WW2 with millions of soldiers still alive. But the Kiev offensive obviously failed.

    Another attempt along the same lines is even less likely to succeed. The surviving Ukies are not going to rush to sacrifice themselves. Once burnt, people are more careful.


    If no NATO, then nukes with long range missiles.
     
    There is zero chance Kiev will get nukes - not only Russia wouldn't allow it, but also US and EU. Think before you make silly statements. In 1994 it was US who insisted on the nukes shipped to Russia. By the way, Kiev never controlled them, it was a virtual deal.

    no Nato. Based on that EU will not want them

    No reason to assume that.

     

    It is an assumption based on how EU expansion has worked in Eastern Europe: first Nato, then EU.

    ...French language policy is in 2023, it didn’t end in 1850.
     
    It originated in the 19th century, that was my point. You can't do it today - it is against all EU principles for minorities. But you know that, you just like to talk nonsense when you lose an argument.

    Replies: @AP

    Ukraine has not wasted those troops and equipment but has held them back for a later time…

    Are you claiming that no troops were lost in the offensive? US-UK say officially that 70k Ukie soldiers died

    Don’t lie. The 70k refers to the entire war, not to the paused (?) offensive.

    If nothing was achieved, by definition they were wasted

    They took a few villages and learned that it would be better to wait and attrite.

    even Germany ended WW2 with millions of soldiers still alive

    It didn’t end the war with more soldiers who were better equipped than when it started.

    Another attempt along the same lines is even less likely to succeed

    Not if Russian troops, logistics, and equipment are further degraded at a rate that is faster than replacement, while Ukraine gets better weapons.

    If no NATO, then nukes with long range missiles.

    There is zero chance Kiev will get nukes – not only Russia wouldn’t allow it, but also US and EU

    Ukraine probably has dirty bombs now, it can play dirty too if it needs to. It would be trivial for Ukraine to do what North Korea or Pakistan have done. It might even share nukes with Poland, Poles explicitly say that Ukraine should have its own nukes.

    You keep saying that the USA uses Ukraine to hurt Russia but you think the USA would mind if a Ukraine unconnected to America via NATO had its own nukes pointed at Moscow?

    no Nato. Based on that EU will not want them

    No reason to assume that.

    It is an assumption based on how EU expansion has worked in Eastern Europe: first Nato, then EU

    No reason to assume that Ukraine would not be granted the Finland or Austria solutions of neutrality with respect to NATO, but also EU.

    But perhaps nukes could be a bargaining chip for EU membership.

    French language policy is in 2023, it didn’t end in 1850.

    It originated in the 19th century, that was my point. You can’t do it today – it is against all EU principles for minorities

    France does it today. So do the Baltics. What EU principles if second largest EU member does it?

    The fact that evil Russians are the target make it even more palatable to the EU.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Ukraine probably has dirty bombs now, it can play dirty too if it needs to. It would be trivial for Ukraine to do what North Korea or Pakistan have done. It might even share nukes with Poland, Poles explicitly say that Ukraine should have its own nukes.
     
    Poland doesn't need nukes all that much when it already has NATO. However, as a backup option in the event that NATO will ever dissolve, I suppose that nukes could indeed work for Poland.

    Makes one wonder whether Russia would have preferred, as an alternative to NATO expansion in the 1990s and beyond, having Poland and Ukraine develop their own nuclear weapons and then sharing them with any neighbors who wanted them, such as the Baltic countries.

    But perhaps nukes could be a bargaining chip for EU membership.
     
    Only in exchange for actually meaningful Western security guarantees on top of EU membership. Ukraine already got badly burned with the Budapest Memorandum.
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    BTW, AP, if I hadn't already, I want to strongly apologize for my 2014-2022 support of Russia's 2014 moves in Crimea and Donbass. Had I known ahead of time that they would lead to Russia trying to conquer all of Ukraine in 2022 and to the huge bloodbath of 2022-2023, I would have never supported these moves (TBF, I supported Crimea but opposed the Donbass in 2014 because I feared that Russia couldn't hold on to the Donbass, but then changed my mind about the Donbass in late 2014 when I saw the benefit of removing the pro-Russian Donbass from Ukraine from a Ukrainian perspective. Of course, this benefit is now much less than it was back in 2014 because the rest of Ukraine is now much, much more hostile towards Russia than it was back in 2014, so even reincorporating Crimea and the Donbass into Ukraine (without any veto power over Ukrainian national policies) won't meaningfully change the overall situation in Ukraine in regards to attitudes towards Russia).

    I guess that this shows that, just like with Hitler in the Sudetenland in 1938, Russia's moves were initially somewhat based on national self-determination and then subsequently went out of control to the point that even the initial moves should not have been done at all. Even if Ukrainian NATO membership was inevitable since 2014 (which I disagree with, but granting this premise for the sake of argument), it was still better to negotiate some sort of deal with NATO over this than to get 100,000 Russians killed in a useless and pointless war. Of course, unfortunately, Putin's little Crimean move significantly boosted his popularity, so maybe from a popularity-focused perspective, Putin really should have taken and annexed both Crimea and Donbass in 2014 and just let the rest of Ukraine go.

    , @Beckow
    @AP


    ...The fact that evil Russians are the target make it even more palatable to the EU.
     
    The fact that you write something so stupid is the real issue. But have at it while you can, I can already see the decades of awkward apologia in the future. If we make it that far...

    There will not be nukes in Ukraine. If they get (and use) a dirty bomb they will become a bigger Chernobyl. You know that, so stop hallucinating. And EU-US will not support Kiev getting nukes - they are pretty stupid, but not mad. Yet.


    Ukraine would not be granted the Finland or Austria solutions of neutrality with respect to NATO, but also EU.
     
    Not after Finland made its military alliance official...:) Many things were possible before 2022 or 2014. But today the only way to get there is for Kiev to win the war - and decisively. Since no rational observer thinks that is possible, these are only empty dreams by the losing side that over-reached.

    The Kiev offensive was nat a "pause", it failed. The losses were huge - you argue that not "70k", well so how many? 30k? 50k? or maybe only 10k? Was that worth it?

    Replies: @AP

    , @QCIC
    @AP

    Most Ukrainians who can make a nuclear weapon probably left a long time ago. In fact some may have helped North Korea (with rockets, too). Ukraine could have made a dirty bomb since the beginning and with Chernobyl might be the least likely to do this.

    Since you want to kill a bunch of Russians and apparently also get most Ukrainians killed in the process, what is the latest on US-funded bioweapons laboratories in Ukraine?

    Replies: @AP

  786. @Beckow
    @Another Polish Perspective


    ...Havel family was somehow connected to freemasonry and its secret strings of power…
     
    Havel's family was connected, period. They were very close to power and the cultural elites in Prague who changed surprisingly little as the different systems were tried: Habsburgs, first republic, Nazis, commies, and whatever it is now. Same people with the same real estate pop up again and again.

    The joke is that you can't have a real revolution in Prague because everyone knows everyone else who matters. There was a communist minister of culture whose brother was married to a former Nazi lover (female), the texture of parties and friendships so thick that no system impacts it much. One reason is that Prague is so great as a city that people don't move out. And blood is thicker than water.

    Freemasonry if it existed in Prague (it probably did) would not be taken too seriously, they would see it as a way to clown around and have a drink together. You have to understand that they have no convictions, they live above (or below) that...it is all a game because the surroundings are so incredibly magical. But only an idiot would take what they say seriously.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    The rich guys whose wives you doctor may not take it serious but there’s a few people who do.

    https://czechhermetics.com/

    Golem of Prague

    The people who support the statue are likely not serious. The guy who was the subject of the story? That guy was serious.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    ...The guy who was the subject of the story? That guy was serious.
     
    Golem is urban folklore that got blown up in the last few decades for tourism. There are many things like that around the world, the "must see" magical past.

    Church really got into it early with bones, fragments, pieces of cloth made up to attract pilgrims. Today's mass tourism is not that different. Golem was a fake in the 16th century and is even more of a fake now. Maybe they should move "him" to Vegas or Disneyland...

  787. @ShortOnTime
    @sudden death

    Obviously we could argue at length about whether the union with Poland was worthwhile for Lithuania. The issue was essentially that Lithuania chose not only Poland but also the Catholic faith and "the West" at that moment, which has proven to be a fraught choice ever since. With a large Orthodox Christian population in Belarus and Ukraine, that was bound to create strife. The other evident alternative was union or alignment with Moscow/Russia but that can clearly remain one of history's endless "what ifs". The union with Poland was clearly the moment when Lithuania's strategy of expanding to subjugate its Eastern Orthodox Slav neighbors for a manpower and resource base against the Teutonic knights failed. Even the previous failed conquests of Moscow too actually demonstrated the reality of Lithuania's eclipse by Poland and Russia in the latter half of the 14th century. The Polish-Lithuanian union also set the historical pattern of Russian-German rapprochement to bypass the Eastern European nationalities between Germans and Russia which was a longer term disaster for those between Germans and Russia (although so far in the 21st century that's not really much of an issue due to American hegemony in most of Europe, but the amount of hysteria such a theoretical possibility has driven with things like Nordstream 2 and the extent to which Germany arms Ukraine is actually amusing). Admittedly, I'm not very familiar with the civil wars in Lithuania of that era though.

    Otherwise, it does seem that the Kaliningrad exclave for Russia is actually arguably more of a liability than an asset for Russia. It's one among many most unfortunate Soviet era border drawing decisions that makes more ongoing strife between Russia against Poland and Lithuania (rest of Baltics and Scandinavians too) even more guaranteed in the 21st century.

    Btw, do you have any interesting reading recommendations about Pagan and Medieval Lithuania, especially in the 2-3 centuries before the union with Poland? (I've found one book on this that I'll probably get around to sometime eventually)

    As for AP, I'm not sure it's worth the effort to continue my discussion with him since it's just too much time and effort that wouldn't be spent in a worthwhile manner. Probably relitigating certain aspects of WW1 with him would be even more tiresome than anything about Ukraine and Russia. Most of Mr XYZ's seemingly endless history hypotheticals also don't seem worthwhile engaging either.

    Replies: @AP, @sudden death, @LatW

    Btw, do you have any interesting reading recommendations about Pagan and Medieval Lithuania, especially in the 2-3 centuries before the union with Poland?

    This might fit as some basic introductory historical outline from Lithuanian POV in English:
    https://urm.lt/uploads/default/documents/Travel_Residence/history_of_lithuania_new.pdf

    As more thorough academical inquiry from outside POV into “pure” Pagan era:
    And for the lulz – imho quite accurate depiction of what average normie young Lithuanian might remember about own history after finishing school, with English subtitles:

    • Thanks: ShortOnTime
  788. @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Have often wished there was some organization that solicited politically incorrect ideas, for the purposes satire.
    _____
    Don't know to what extent Xi is being strong-arm chaperoned in San Fran, but if he has his own driver and security team, it would be really funny if if they ditched the itinerary and raced off to stage an incident where Xi steps in human excrement and made a big thing of it in Chinese media.

    Would be much better than that time Bush puked on the Japanese PM:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush_vomiting_incident

    Replies: @S

    Would be much better than that time Bush puked on the Japanese PM:

    That was hilariously salaried in one of the Hot Shots movies from the early 90’s. 🙂

    • Agree: songbird
  789. Sher Singh says:
    @LatW
    @Sher Singh


    The Chieftain as a title is not a seperate entity from the men who make up the village.
     
    There is a male hierarchy that is run by reciprocity (exchange of goods to secure power), the man at the top, the big man, is the one who regulates and balances this. That's how the status of the big man was determined in very primitive societies - through this balancing, through charisma and wit, and not by inheritance.

    In Maori tribes, these big men already had something resembling properties (bigger plots). Some can even use tribal religion to organize the life of the tribe.

    There can also be elders that form a council. There could be a chief who was also a visionary.

    The types Silvio describes need closer management which a bureaucrat can’t provide.
    A bureaucrat can regulate.
     

    In more advanced chieftain-led societies this would not be micromanaged by the Chieftain but at a lower level. This is something that the immediate family could've regulated, including vetting the prospective husband much closer.

    Only if it got more complex, would it be brought before someone such as the goðar in Iceland (even though those were originally religious leaders, but they sometimes operated in a secular context as well by solving disputes). They determined the distribution of wealth, and there was a hierarchy among the goðar, too.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    In an Aryan society any man will kill the nigger & whore.
    I don’t care about an abusive husband, the wife had a role in turning him that way.

    Not my problem.
    Imagine bothering men of high stature over domestic disputes LOL.

    There is a male hierarchy that is run by reciprocity (exchange of goods to secure power), the man at the top, the big man, is the one who regulates and balances this.

    The only good worth exchanging & that brings power (sons) is woman.
    Fuck your Anthropology textbook..

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    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Sher Singh


    I don’t care about an abusive husband, the wife had a role in turning him that way.
     
    In any civilized society wife beaters have almost as bad a reputation as child molesters.

    They're always half-men who don't have what it takes to channel their aggressive instincts towards other men and lash out at the weaker person they have handy at home.

    The natural masculine instinct is to protect the women and children around you, not to attack them, just like the natural female instinct is to defend her offspring. You don't even have to think about it, biology takes over and you protect your women and children, risking your life if necessary.

    Is this really different in your culture or is it just you?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh

  790. I don’t care about an abusive husband, the wife had a role in turning him that way.

    You may not care, but other societies do care. See how you can get away with that in Canada (you could for a while, but not for too long). The wife does have a role, but men have traits that can be spotted early on (hence, they need more vetting which was done in traditional societies). Some aggressive traits are desirable, but it depends on how they manifest.

    The only good worth exchanging & that brings power (sons) is woman.

    Women are extremely important, I’d say, even crucial. But there used to be something called the gift economy and gifting was used to demonstrate and bestow status. The more gifts one could give out, the higher status they would have. The daina says: “Beloved Dievs, allow me to grant to the other and not to ask dearly from the other”. It may not be entirely altruistic.

    Imagine bothering men of high stature over domestic disputes LOL.

    Er, that’s exactly what I said.

    • Thanks: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @LatW


    You may not care, but other societies do care. See how you can get away with that in Canada (you could for a while, but not for too long). The wife does have a role, but men have traits that can be spotted early on (hence, they need more vetting which was done in traditional societies). Some aggressive traits are desirable, but it depends on how they manifest.
     

    The more gifts one could give out, the higher status they would have.
     
    Eh, that's gay. Gift economy should be handled by women. Imagine keeping tracking of all that.

    Taking heads is always higher than trinkets.

    Canada doesn't allow Total Nigger Death unfortunately. Seriously though parole is easy & bail rules lax.

    You can wait 5 years after release for murder and get guns.

    The worst they did was make honor killing 1st degree instead of manslaughter. Even that will change as demographics do. Not worried..

    These countries basically don't enforce laws on minorities unless they go out of their way to be noticed.

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    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @LatW

    , @silviosilver
    @LatW

    Sigh. Why in the world do you take this copey pajeet seriously? It's your own life to live as you please, but a just a little bit of consideration for other forum users might prompt you to refrain from replying to him, because it's quite tiresome - and a tad deflating - having to scroll past all the brainless nonsense he posts.

    Just put yourself in his shoes for a moment. You grew up noticing that pretty much everyone is better than you, that your own people are the butt of jokes, that your own people have contributed nothing of value to the world, and then you have these ridiculous customs dumped on you that you're pressured to maintain, and so on, but you're also cursed with extremely prideful feelings. Well then, you are going to spend your days larping your ass off too, aren't you, trying to impress internet strangers with tales of your toughness and your people's greatness, ad infinitum, ad nauseam. (Imagine how hard it must have been for him pre-internet - no one to listen to him lol.)

    It deserves pity, to be sure - at least for those whose circle of concern stretches far enough to include obvious alien entities like sikhlings. Then again, the wound is self-inflicted. If he refuses to make any effort to get over his nutty obsessions, then how is it anyone's fault but his own if he's forever feeling defensive and agitated, constantly under the threat that his pretenses will collapse?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW, @Sher Singh

  791. @Sher Singh
    @LatW

    The Chieftain as a title is not a seperate entity from the men who make up the village.
    That title must have co-ercive power/sovereignity over the populace.

    Rather than, bureaucrats or liberal nitwits.

    https://darwinianconservatism.blogspot.com/2014/01/hobbess-liberal-leviathan-and-rule-of.html


    In many countries around the world today--such as Libya, Somalia, Iraq, and Afghanistan--the weakening or failure of central state power has promoted not individual liberty but the rule of clans that deny individual autonomy. When there is no powerful central government to enforce law and order and provide public goods, people will not live as free individuals; rather they will revert back to an ancient tribal form of social order in which people are treated not as individuals but as members of their extended kinship groups. There are good Darwinian reasons for this, having to do with the evolved instincts for kinship, nepotism, and tribalism based on extended real or fictive kinship.

    The moral codes of these clan societies will enforce group honor and suppress individual liberty. For example, clan societies will enforce the blood feuds, the honor killings, and the attacks on infidels that liberals abhor. The social order of liberal individualism will not prevail unless there is a powerful liberal state that will deny the customary legal systems of clan groups and protect the autonomy of individuals from coercion by clans.
     

    The types Silvio describes need closer management which a bureaucrat can't provide.
    A bureaucrat can regulate.

    A regulation is like a sub-contract telling police or others to handle a problem.
    However, the problem still needs solving & the closer one is the more likely the victims listen.

    The one tasked to solve something & the one tasking the solving are disconnected.
    Therein, lies the root of both modernity's greatest strengths and weaknesses.

    Both its vast scale, and ability to channel resources & a complete disregard for local conditions.

    --
    Liberal society can only provide substitutes - whether processed food, replica knives or voluntary 'clans'

    Even if there is a natural yearning for clan solidarity, a liberal society can satisfy that yearning by channeling it into the natural and voluntary associations of a pluralist society. Weiner recognizes that in his account of how Walter Scott used his romantic historical novel--Waverley (1814)--to imaginatively recreate the life of Scotland's Highland clans in a way that was compatible with liberal society (188-95). A liberal legal order in Scotland must deny the coercive legal authority of Scottish clans, but that liberal legal order could allow people to celebrate their clan identity as something to be celebrated in memory. Scottish clan identity could become a voluntary commitment in a free society of individuals, in which Scottish clan life became a cultural activity in liberal society without the coercive harshness of the originally illiberal clan society.

    https://doomeroptimism.substack.com/p/lessons-for-localists-the-great-indian

    It is important to note here that participation in the protest was not, for many people, entirely voluntary. Village panchayats are an ancient form of local government in villages across India, and in several farming villages panchayats made demands that each family send at least one individual to attend the protest, or make a donation towards the protest if they are unable to do so. Failure to comply with the edict would mean a social boycott. Any localist movement must be accepting of this kind of localized coercion, regardless of how offensive it may seem to liberal sensibilities. If the town or village is to act in self-preservation, it must be able to exact a penalty from those who abstain from their responsibilities. Note that in most of the world, this power to coerce is already granted, but exclusively to the state. This is, as author Patrick Deneen describes, a result of liberalism, and not representative of the natural development of human society:

    Under liberalism, human beings increasingly live in a condition of autonomy such as that first imagined by theorists of the state of nature, except that the anarchy that threatens to develop from that purportedly natural condition is controlled and suppressed through the imposition of laws and the corresponding growth of the state. With man liberated from constitutive communities (leaving only loose connections) and nature harnessed and controlled, the constructed sphere of autonomous liberty expands seemingly without limit.

    Patrick Deneen, Unsustainable Liberalism, First Things Magazine 2012

    That is, the endless expansion of individual autonomy is conditioned on the endless growth of the state. Heaven is necessarily ordered, as Berry says, but “hell hath no limit”. The Rothbardian or Misesian view of human society as consisting of free associating individuals with no pre-existing social or cultural ties is as much an imaginative fantasy as the Stalinist view of the benevolent dictatorship of the proletariat. In fact, the two poles merely work to strengthen each other in the long run, by eroding the local institutions that act as a check on top-down power. Patrick Deneen explains this as follows:

    Replies: @LatW, @Philip Owen

    This is an interesting discussion.

    The British in North America considered the Native Americans as owners of their own land. However, settler practice and Native American practice in land sales led to confusion over ownership. So, one part of the Proclamation Act that limited colonial expansion across the Appalachians was that only the British government’s could buy land from Native Americans and only the full tribal council owned the title to be able to sell it. This was a material factor in the American Revolution.

    In other parts of the world, where there were already legal systems to manage land title the British worked with the local system. However not everywhere was so organised. In Australia the British just declared the land empty. However in other places the British imposed the model that they had used in North America. So societies, not even always tribal, ended up with a tribal council and a chief. Previously in, say, New Guinea, there would just have been the best man fitted for the job at that moment without any formal cultural of chieftainship previously existing.

    In some cases the idea of a tribal council seems to have replaced the most brutal warrior ruling over his slaves. It’s been hard to document.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Philip Owen

    Panchayat (Panj or Panch - Five) dates back to Vedas.
    Vedas say to trespass & impose upon hunter gatherers.

    Where 5 Singh stand the Guru holds court.
    5 Singh make formal declaration & initiate new members.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panj_Pyare

    https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Panj_Piare

    Haven't read them.

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  792. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    No, they didn’t. You simply made it up. The Newsweek article you linked is from February 2022 and it only says that Russia is willing to negotiate. Nothing about “current lines”.

    Of course he means current lines. What are you going to argue? He is willing to negotiate as long as he gets the entire country? That isn't negotiating.

    Anyways it is right here:
    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-shoigu-beijing-ukraine-peace-talks-1839149
    The Kremlin has specified a few conditions that are non-negotiable for Russia, including that Ukraine must accept the September 2022 annexation of four of its regions—Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia—following referendums called by Putin that were deemed illegal by the international community.

    I guess I have to do your Googling for you since you only pretend to read the news.

    Putin doesn't care about marching on Kiev. Yes that means all the pro-Putin military analysts were wrong. Deal with it.

    Stop with dismissing all data by saying “they lie”. It is pointless, who lies? Why would they lie about something so verifiable?

    The actual inflation rate isn't verifiable by Western economists. That is why they are currently debating it.

    Putin has zero credibility at this point. Did you forget about how he claimed it was a military exercise and that they would never attack?

    Russia has been lying about the capabilities of its military. They wouldn't be conscripting if they had the number of active duty they claimed in 2021. They also lied about their T-90 and T-14 stocks. It's actually possible that no one in the Russian military actually knows their true capabilities. This what happens in a country that is plagued by corruption. No one knows what is actually built or sold. Orders are fudged and payoffs are made. They didn't even have enough boots or coats in the previous winter which shows they are a nation built on lies. Even Stalin made sure his troops had enough boots and wool coats. Heck they didn't even have enough medic packs. Conscripts were filmed on hidden video being told to find tampons for bullet wounds.

    But it isn’t: food and energy prices in Russia are actually down. You seem to know nothing about how it works.

    That's false. Russia has record inflation and food prices are up
    https://www.moscowtimes.ru/2023/11/13/tseni-rastut-frontalno-inflyatsiya-vrossii-ustanovila-novii-rekord-a113037

    Why do you think Russia raised interest rates 4 times this year? To throw off the West?

    You're not even bother to Google "Russia inflation" in the news to see what Russia actually claims. Maybe give it a try:
    https://news.google.com/search?q=russia+inflation

    I don’t know what “marzella.io” is, but in my circles cargo cult is well understood as what Papua natives did in WW2: cargo was dropped accidentally by the US planes, they came to expect it without understanding how it was produced.

    It was dropped accidentally but they didn't understand planes or why cargo would fall from the sky. They tried to duplicate the original environment to bring back the cargo without understanding why it was dropped in the first place. Cargo cult mentality describes applying a percieved model or theory without understanding the underlying process behind the desired result.
    https://themindcollection.com/cargo-cults/

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Beckow

    I read an expert on dollarizing economies (currently advising Argentina) today. In a chart he published, no longer in reach, he showed real inflation in Russia at 58%. My ex employees are very clear that food prices, all prices, are rising drastically.

    It is possible to see figures showing Russian food prices falling. Prices for staples, the Borscht set, are published monthly and compared with the previous month. So during the summer as the harvest comes in, these prices can show a month on month decline. Milk and some meats also have seasonal patterns.

  793. @ShortOnTime
    @sudden death

    Obviously we could argue at length about whether the union with Poland was worthwhile for Lithuania. The issue was essentially that Lithuania chose not only Poland but also the Catholic faith and "the West" at that moment, which has proven to be a fraught choice ever since. With a large Orthodox Christian population in Belarus and Ukraine, that was bound to create strife. The other evident alternative was union or alignment with Moscow/Russia but that can clearly remain one of history's endless "what ifs". The union with Poland was clearly the moment when Lithuania's strategy of expanding to subjugate its Eastern Orthodox Slav neighbors for a manpower and resource base against the Teutonic knights failed. Even the previous failed conquests of Moscow too actually demonstrated the reality of Lithuania's eclipse by Poland and Russia in the latter half of the 14th century. The Polish-Lithuanian union also set the historical pattern of Russian-German rapprochement to bypass the Eastern European nationalities between Germans and Russia which was a longer term disaster for those between Germans and Russia (although so far in the 21st century that's not really much of an issue due to American hegemony in most of Europe, but the amount of hysteria such a theoretical possibility has driven with things like Nordstream 2 and the extent to which Germany arms Ukraine is actually amusing). Admittedly, I'm not very familiar with the civil wars in Lithuania of that era though.

    Otherwise, it does seem that the Kaliningrad exclave for Russia is actually arguably more of a liability than an asset for Russia. It's one among many most unfortunate Soviet era border drawing decisions that makes more ongoing strife between Russia against Poland and Lithuania (rest of Baltics and Scandinavians too) even more guaranteed in the 21st century.

    Btw, do you have any interesting reading recommendations about Pagan and Medieval Lithuania, especially in the 2-3 centuries before the union with Poland? (I've found one book on this that I'll probably get around to sometime eventually)

    As for AP, I'm not sure it's worth the effort to continue my discussion with him since it's just too much time and effort that wouldn't be spent in a worthwhile manner. Probably relitigating certain aspects of WW1 with him would be even more tiresome than anything about Ukraine and Russia. Most of Mr XYZ's seemingly endless history hypotheticals also don't seem worthwhile engaging either.

    Replies: @AP, @sudden death, @LatW

    The Polish-Lithuanian union also set the historical pattern of Russian-German rapprochement to bypass the Eastern European nationalities between Germans and Russia which was a longer term disaster for those between Germans and Russia

    But what can you possibly suggest for these nations that are so limited by their geography in the sense that their geography is so desirable that they are bound to have enemies on both sides? What is the way out of this complex position? This is just the reality.

    Before the Polish-Lithuanian union, the Lithuanian king Algirdas was in a position where he could’ve possibly gathered the Rus’ and Lithuanian lands and created one large (most likely eventually Orthodox) country (mini-empire in Eastern-Central Europe which could’ve included even the Muscovites). With the capital in Vilnius. However, the threat then would’ve been that the Lithuanian nation could’ve dissolved in the Rus’ ethnic Slavic mass (although maybe not a given since the Lithuanians are a rather strong nation and were somewhat fecund back in the day).

    Btw, apparently, after the Soviet / Allied victory in the WW2, Stalin had offered Lithuania to take the Kaliningrad region and make it part of the Lithuanian SSR (the real name would be Twankste, the original Old Prussian name of the settlement – or even better, Romuva, the holy place). But Lithuanians refused because of the rather complicated ethnic arrangements there, would be my guess. I have to double check this for accuracy, but this is what I’ve heard.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @LatW

    By the time, Poland and Lithuania united (de facto already in the 14th century), we had already lost most of our buffers - Old Prussia and Curonia (after tough fights) in the North-West, and in the East - Old Novgorod and Pskov (which were swamped or ethnocided by Muscovy). Had those buffers stayed in place, we'd be in a much less precarious position going forward in the following centuries.

    , @ShortOnTime
    @LatW


    But what can you possibly suggest for these nations that are so limited by their geography in the sense that their geography is so desirable that they are bound to have enemies on both sides? What is the way out of this complex position? This is just the reality.

     

    Well so far in the 21st century besides Ukraine and Georgia, most East European NATO member nations are more or less fine, unless some unexpected escalation where Russia directly challenges Article 5 (which is actually surprisingly vague) and clear NATO territory occurs with who knows what possible consequences, but that seems unlikely. The issue then may not be so much "Russian aggression" since a supposedly extremely aggressive Russia couldn't stop Finland's NATO membership and possibly Sweden's incoming one too, but the extent of the reliability of Western Europe and the USA as the security guarantors of East European NATO members. The latter is an even more complex issue since most of that revolves around many other things not directly about Russia or Eastern Europe. Say things like the fact that a ridiculously large amount of US foreign policy in the last 10 or so years seems to revolve around a competition between various anti-Russia and anti-Iran interest groups. Since October 7th it may be time for the Iran-haters to have their spot in the limelight.

    Had those buffers stayed in place, we’d be in a much less precarious position going forward in the following centuries.

     

    Someone's security buffer can be someone else's security threat.
  794. @LatW
    @ShortOnTime


    The Polish-Lithuanian union also set the historical pattern of Russian-German rapprochement to bypass the Eastern European nationalities between Germans and Russia which was a longer term disaster for those between Germans and Russia
     
    But what can you possibly suggest for these nations that are so limited by their geography in the sense that their geography is so desirable that they are bound to have enemies on both sides? What is the way out of this complex position? This is just the reality.

    Before the Polish-Lithuanian union, the Lithuanian king Algirdas was in a position where he could've possibly gathered the Rus' and Lithuanian lands and created one large (most likely eventually Orthodox) country (mini-empire in Eastern-Central Europe which could've included even the Muscovites). With the capital in Vilnius. However, the threat then would've been that the Lithuanian nation could've dissolved in the Rus' ethnic Slavic mass (although maybe not a given since the Lithuanians are a rather strong nation and were somewhat fecund back in the day).

    Btw, apparently, after the Soviet / Allied victory in the WW2, Stalin had offered Lithuania to take the Kaliningrad region and make it part of the Lithuanian SSR (the real name would be Twankste, the original Old Prussian name of the settlement - or even better, Romuva, the holy place). But Lithuanians refused because of the rather complicated ethnic arrangements there, would be my guess. I have to double check this for accuracy, but this is what I've heard.

    Replies: @LatW, @ShortOnTime

    By the time, Poland and Lithuania united (de facto already in the 14th century), we had already lost most of our buffers – Old Prussia and Curonia (after tough fights) in the North-West, and in the East – Old Novgorod and Pskov (which were swamped or ethnocided by Muscovy). Had those buffers stayed in place, we’d be in a much less precarious position going forward in the following centuries.

  795. I honestly had no idea that Bill Maher was only half Jewish. Did he ever take a DNA test?

  796. I really wonder if those liberal, academic, Marxist and communist Jews (such as BAP’s grandpa and others in the Western academia and the political class), when they were promoting multi-culturalism, did they ever imagine that their designs would lead to a leftist-Islamic alliance which has essentially turned into an explosive anti-Semitic brew…

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @LatW


    I really wonder if those liberal, academic, Marxist and communist Jews (such as BAP’s grandpa and others in the Western academia and the political class), when they were promoting multi-culturalism, did they ever imagine that their designs would lead to a leftist-Islamic alliance which has essentially turned into an explosive anti-Semitic brew…
     
    The Iranian revolution should have given some hints?

    Revisionist Marxists like Sorel writing early in the 20th century were already saying that Marxism is best understood as a non-rational political myth or vision that should be pursued mainly by force of will, so integrating elements of nationalism and religion into it is not a problem.

    Then multi-culturalism, it can involve the majority culture withdrawing in the face of minority ethnic cultures (these might be more assertive or robust) so reverse integration happens where these cultures draw in and start to influence people from the majority, progressive academics may have supported this as revolutionary forces leading social change. Many ethnic minorities lack the reverential attitude to the Holocaust that started to appear in Anglo and other NW Euro countries after the 1980s.

    You could also see BAP and some of the other characters like Papacito in France (Papacito's parents were activists in the PCF) as inspired by the left-wing counter culture, there was still some virile and individualistic 'punk' attitude in it that doesn't fit with the Feminism and safetyism aspects of it that are now closer to the forefront.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

  797. Good shot at Ben Shapiro:

  798. @A123
    @Beckow


    Stalemate is unlikely: neither side wants it and it would be too expensive for the West with nothing to show for it other than constant propaganda. It is more likely they would negotiate a deal.

    If they agree on a deal, Kiev will be neutral – no Nato.
     

    A deal along approximately the current lines gives Russia what they need. It has been on offer for some time. The European Empire has kept Zelensky from taking it.

    You are correct that such a deal would include "No NATO Ever". And, limitations to guarantee that Kiev will not be able to arm up for Round 2.
    ___

    No one on the Ukie side has addressed the money problem directly. It is clear that the U.S. is boosting its national prestige by walking away from Not-The-President Biden's folly. And, it does not look like Europe will put in €3-5 Billion per month.

    If Ukraine keeps fighting, it will not be a stalemate. As Kiev runs out of supplies, Russia will be able to advance. Capturing the entire Black Sea coast and hooking up with Transnistria is an achievable goal if Kiev remains intransigent and unreasonable.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow, @Philip Owen

    What is Russia going to offer in return for “no NATO”. It had de facto “no NATO” before it started in 2014. “No NATO” would be a total withdrawal from not just Ukrainian territory but a large demilitarized zone (say Russia west of the Volga as well) and conventional arms limitations. Anything less is not a serious offer by Russia. The EU is handing over more cash to Ukraine than all other donors combined. The US contribution is not that big. The US comes in big with obsolete weapon donations, again just about more than all other donors combined. Germany, UK and France account for most of the rest.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • LOL: Mikhail, A123
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Philip Owen

    Russia doesn't have to offer the collective West anything.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    , @LatW
    @Philip Owen

    They should also withdraw the Iskander from Kaliningrad (Twankste), largely demilitarize it, and not reassemble large troop formations in Pskov. See if that flies with them (it won't).

    , @A123
    @Philip Owen


    What is Russia going to offer in return for “no NATO”.
     
    Not nuking Kiev and Lviv;)
    ___

    More seriously, Ukraine started this conflict with acts of aggression against Russian ethnics, including the building of the Collective Punishment Dam. Any final resolution has to preclude Kiev from arming up again to start Round 2.

    There is nothing controversial about heading off foolishness that would encourage future conflicts.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @QCIC
    @Philip Owen

    This is not about Ukraine.

    The West did these things to provoke, weaken and corner Russia:

    Foolishly ended nuclear arms control treaties like ABM, INF and Open skies
    Expanded NATO beyond East Germany
    Meddled in many Russian border countries
    NATO war against Serbia
    Emplaced missiles in Romania and Poland
    Ignored Minsk II
    West helps Ukraine fortify against Russia and makes AFU NATO interoperable
    Oligarchs publically sponsor Ukrainian NeoNazis
    The West supports Ukrainian drone attacks on Moscow and Engels air base
    The West bombs Nordstream
    Nah-na-nah-na-nah-na, West gives Russia the bird

    Russia:

    Please stop doing these things, you will regret the consequences of your actions. We will all lose!
    What the hell are you doing in Ukraine, are you out of your minds?
    Nuclear capable missiles and canisters in Eastern Europe, WTF?
    Attacking the Kremlin and Engels? Holy Mother of God, the West is stupid and satanic!
    The West is not treaty capable so Russia does not expect to sign any useful treaties with the West.

    Humpty Dumpty (Ukraine) cannot be reassembled into his original form. The West pushed him off the wall.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  799. @Philip Owen
    @A123

    What is Russia going to offer in return for "no NATO". It had de facto "no NATO" before it started in 2014. "No NATO" would be a total withdrawal from not just Ukrainian territory but a large demilitarized zone (say Russia west of the Volga as well) and conventional arms limitations. Anything less is not a serious offer by Russia. The EU is handing over more cash to Ukraine than all other donors combined. The US contribution is not that big. The US comes in big with obsolete weapon donations, again just about more than all other donors combined. Germany, UK and France account for most of the rest.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @LatW, @A123, @QCIC

    Russia doesn’t have to offer the collective West anything.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Mikhail

    Then the collective West can arm Ukraine to the teeth for generations to come because the West sure as hell owes nothing to a quarry.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  800. @Philip Owen
    @A123

    What is Russia going to offer in return for "no NATO". It had de facto "no NATO" before it started in 2014. "No NATO" would be a total withdrawal from not just Ukrainian territory but a large demilitarized zone (say Russia west of the Volga as well) and conventional arms limitations. Anything less is not a serious offer by Russia. The EU is handing over more cash to Ukraine than all other donors combined. The US contribution is not that big. The US comes in big with obsolete weapon donations, again just about more than all other donors combined. Germany, UK and France account for most of the rest.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @LatW, @A123, @QCIC

    They should also withdraw the Iskander from Kaliningrad (Twankste), largely demilitarize it, and not reassemble large troop formations in Pskov. See if that flies with them (it won’t).

  801. @LatW
    @Beckow


    What happened to the Sudeten Germans in 1945-7 was retribution for WW2.
     
    Well, maybe a retribution for something even before that. How exactly were the Germans killed in Slovakia and by who? You're not an objective source, obviously, but do share. I'll keep an open mind. I have read a lot about Prussia, but not so much about Slovakia.

    I never hesitate to call our Nazis by that name, we also have a few. Why should I feel guilt? I detest them, they destroyed everything. Even the good ideas they had are tainted by their low-class brutality and irrational hatreds.
     
    Well, you have painted the Latvian nation with a broad brush countless times, knowing very little about how things really are, being deeply propagandized the way you are. And yet it seems that Slovakia was way more collaborationist and yet they were spared more.

    No, it was Heydrich.
     
    I know that one of them had a well known Czech actress girlfriend, I'm pretty sure it was Goebbels, the one who is considered as one of the absolutely worst Nazis.

    I think this is the actress that cavorted with him:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%ADda_Baarov%C3%A1

    But you're right that there were probably more. So Heydrich too had a Czech one? Hahahah, good one! :)


    Czech girls are affectionately called rado-dajky, put it in Google translate…:)
     
    I don't need to translate - their reputation is well known far and wide.

    Btw, I don't blame them - those Germans uniforms were pretty sexy. :) And they were well groomed (when not on the front lines).

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

    Czech girls are affectionately called rado-dajky, put it in Google translate…:)

    I don’t need to translate – their reputation is well known far and wide.

    A difference between Czechs and Poles:

    https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/11/14/polish-border-town-asks-czechs-to-stop-getting-naked-in-its-swimming-pool-changing-rooms/

    Polish border town asks Czechs to stop getting naked in its swimming pool locker rooms

    • Replies: @LatW
    @AP

    Well, nudity in a women's only sauna is not a big deal, and in Europe in general it is more lax that way. But not in front of the kids. Or men.

    However, Czech women often take things too far. Nothing against beautiful women, just maybe they need a little more self-respect?

    Judging from Beckow's ranting, one can assume that they choose to pimp out their women to all kinds of foreigners as a means of survival. I guess, one can call that "soft power" (kinda pathetic, if not sad, actually).

    And, no, a translation is not needed, as anyone who speaks a Slavic language, can easily understand it ("the giver of pleasure or delight").

    Replies: @AP, @silviosilver, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    If Czechs like nudity but also breed more than Poles, then what exactly does this mean? Could it indicate that the Czechs' love of nudity also makes them more active in the bedroom relative to Poles lol?

    Maybe Poles could learn a lesson from the Czechs in regards to this. "The body beautiful!"

    Replies: @LatW

  802. @Dmitry
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    There is a difference in this topic between cultures in the First World, Second World and Third World. Although it can be Beckow's argument is true, can be sometimes more related to social norms of the allowed speech, than actual emotions where the difference between cultures could be smaller than the appearance of difference measured in the speech.

    In the First World, the social norm for the speaking is the view "if we killed civilians, this is a crime we should try to avoid or hide". While in parts of the Third World, especially in Islamic countries, norms of speech allow saying "killing civilians, raping their women, beheading them", "we are proud of this".

    Japan is part of the First World category. So, you can expect how they would discuss this. We can see in their external policy they often behave even more Christian than most of the Western countries. They had been sending billions of dollars of aid to China, although China has been investing billions of dollars to create anti-Japan propaganda.

    In the last 60 years, Japan has been apologizing for colonial past, similar to the British apologizing in relation to the British empire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan

    Russia and Ukraine are Second World, with imported European norms. When talking about enemy civilians, the speech is halfway between the attitude of the First World and Third World, depending on the people you are talking with.

    Because of the involuntary Iron Curtain Czechoslovakia was categorized as Second World. But of course, Czechoslovakia is a central European country. Their norms of speech about civilian casualties won't be different much than the Western European countries.

    Replies: @Mikel, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    I would make this classification:

    1. Reflect and expiate at a proper level for past sins; but not excessively so that you are exposed to moral blackmail

    2. Reflect and expiate excessively for past sins; so that you not only you are exposed to moral blackmail, your existence may be threatened either by hostile foreigners or internal extremists

    3. Reflect and expiate very little for past sins. Just be based.

    Type 1– I think applies to Japan, and maybe Russia

    Type 2– I think you know who that applies to. The Japanese call this 自虐史観じぎゃくしかん Jigyaku shikan “masochistic view of history”, the historical view that emphasizes the negative aspects of one’s history,

    https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/自虐史観

    Type 3– Applies to China, who only whines about what other have done to it “Century of Humiliation”, never what it has done to others.

    But most the atrocies that Chinese have committed are towards each other, or peoples that have been assimilated, so it’s less or an issue.

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    "The war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan’s advantage." - The Emperor Hirohito after, within 4 days, Japan suffered the US atomic bombing of Hiroshima, the Soviet invasion and crushing of the Japanese Army in Manchuria, and the US atomic bombing of Nagasaki.


    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1274603988646653955

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @Dmitry
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    This is a bit different topic, although it's also related to the developed country vs developing country.

    Expiation is also way to say the country has some error correction codes and this is part of the presentation there is a responsible and evolving authority which even victim countries of the past can trust.

    For example, some of the early stages of America's rule in Philippines was very brutal. But Philippines today trusts America more than China. They accept the America policy in 1899 is not going to be repeated.

    China's government including expiation less in its imperialism than America, probably partly reducing trust of neighbors. These countries like Kazakhstan where the populations goes more pro-American.

  803. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Anglo-French would promise in writing beforehand that they would go to war to expel the USSR from Poland
     
    Anglo-French were in no mood to fight Germany or Russia in the late 1930's and their promises are not worth the paper they are on. They wanted Germany and Russia to fight, that required Czecho-Slovakia and Poland be sacrificed with all the consequences.

    You complaining that Czechs and Slovaks also made accommodations with Germany after the Munich betrayal is way off. Let us understand: Anglos and French can do self-preservation but we can't? Quite similar to Ukraine today: people like you always talk big and then ask others to do the sacrifices.

    Your short-hand description of what happened in WW2 is selectively wrong. For example in France most Jews who were not pre-war French citizens were killed. And Hungary hardly wanted to switch sides - they tried to negotiate a better post-WW2 deal. It backfired. Romania was incredibly brutal on its own, doing some of the worst massacres in Ukraine. Czechia had no agency in WW2, blaming them is silly - they only wanted to survive and mostly did. As always they showed a level of brown-nosing to authority that is specifically Czech - they excel in it. Slovakia had almost no agency, due to its small size and proximity to Germany it had fewer choices than other countries, e.g. Bulgaria.

    The reality is that if Germany had prevailed, or even held on to most of the territories they occupied (or allied with), they would destroy all Jewish communities - and a few others. The only thing that stopped it was the Russian decisive victory. Not the Anglos, not US, nor "resistance" - but Red Army. It is puzzling that you refuse to accept that and show minimal gratitude.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Anglo-French were in no mood to fight Germany or Russia in the late 1930’s and their promises are not worth the paper they are on. They wanted Germany and Russia to fight, that required Czecho-Slovakia and Poland be sacrificed with all the consequences.

    Yes, it’s entirely possible that similar logic to that which is used to justify denying aid to Ukraine right now could have also been used to justify allowing Hitler to expand eastwards in the 1930s. After all, Hitler and the Nazis were going to have a giant headache for decades afterwards and having the West preserve semi-normal relations with Nazi Germany could have discouraged the Nazis from engaging in mass murder (as opposed to mass deportations, which the Nazis would have been very eager to do). And the West could have even aggressively funded anti-Nazi insurgencies in Eastern Europe.

    You complaining that Czechs and Slovaks also made accommodations with Germany after the Munich betrayal is way off. Let us understand: Anglos and French can do self-preservation but we can’t? Quite similar to Ukraine today: people like you always talk big and then ask others to do the sacrifices.

    Unlike AP, I don’t complain about Czechs and Slovaks collaborating with the Nazis, other than in regards to Slovakia handing over most of its Jews to the Nazis.

    Your short-hand description of what happened in WW2 is selectively wrong. For example in France most Jews who were not pre-war French citizens were killed.

    Not “most” but almost half. 45% if I recall correctly. And that was due to Vichy not being as willing to protect them. (The equivalent figure for native French Jews was 9% IIRC.)

    And Hungary hardly wanted to switch sides – they tried to negotiate a better post-WW2 deal.

    That might very well be true (they very likely wanted the Allies to let them keep some of their Hitler-era territorial gains), but that still doesn’t negate the fact that they condemned most of their Jews to mass murder at Nazi hands, with the help of plenty of Hungarian collaborators.

    Romania was incredibly brutal on its own, doing some of the worst massacres in Ukraine.

    Yes, which was extraordinarily tragic and a massive genocidal crime against humanity. Though on the bright side the almost 300,000 Jews of the Romanian Old Kingdom territories (plus southern Transylvania’s couple dozen thousand Jews) were mostly saved due to Ion Antonescu making a last-minute decision to indefinitely postpone their deportations (thus ensuring that they wouldn’t happen).

    Czechia had no agency in WW2, blaming them is silly – they only wanted to survive and mostly did. As always they showed a level of brown-nosing to authority that is specifically Czech – they excel in it.

    Yep; correct! They were prepared to fight the Nazis in 1938 but the Western Allies let them down.

    Slovakia had almost no agency, due to its small size and proximity to Germany it had fewer choices than other countries, e.g. Bulgaria.

    Slovakia paid the Nazis to accept its own deported Jews. That doesn’t sound like no agency to me.

    The reality is that if Germany had prevailed, or even held on to most of the territories they occupied (or allied with), they would destroy all Jewish communities – and a few others. The only thing that stopped it was the Russian decisive victory. Not the Anglos, not US, nor “resistance” – but Red Army. It is puzzling that you refuse to accept that and show minimal gratitude.

    Had the Nazis won a long WWII, then likely Yes. But had the Nazis quickly won WWII, the Jews would have likely been deported somewhere en masse rather than mass murdered, at least not anywhere to the same scale as in real life. The Nazis only settled on mass murdering the Jews in late 1941, once it became clear that they could not quickly win the war.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...it’s entirely possible that similar logic to that which is used to justify denying aid to Ukraine right now could have also been used to justify allowing Hitler to expand eastwards
     
    You have it upside down: it is Nato that is expanding eastwards, Ukies are willing allies, and Germany again plays central role.

    Slovakia paid the Nazis to accept its own deported Jews. That doesn’t sound like no agency to me.
     
    Ahh...but Germans insisted on the payment. The pretense was it was for the resettlement. I am not sure many believed it, but Germany put a lot of effort into creating the bogus story. When the word got back to Slovakia what was going on they halted it in 1942.

    The second German killing of Jews happened after the Slovak uprising in August 1944 - Germans invaded and killed a lot of people, remaining Jews, burnt about dozen villages. Most if the killing was done by the Galician Ukie SS division brought in to do the dirty work. We remember it very well, kids learn about in school, parading Bandera and Galician SS is very unpopular.

    After WW2 the perpetrators were punished - this time the commies insisted. Who tried to protect our Nazi collaborators were the Anglos, they helped many escape to Argentina and Canada. The Anglos oddly always ended up helping the Nazis. Why do you think that was?


    had the Nazis quickly won WWII, the Jews would have likely been deported somewhere en masse rather than mass murdered
     
    Are you suggesting that Russia should had lost the war? That it would be better that way? You are spinning a weird alternative history that is only concerned with what would happen to the Jews. How about us? Was it ok for the Nazis to rule over us and possibly exterminate us? They were too many of us to "resettle", so they probably would.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  804. Sher Singh says:
    @LatW
    @Sher Singh

    I don’t care about an abusive husband, the wife had a role in turning him that way.
     
    You may not care, but other societies do care. See how you can get away with that in Canada (you could for a while, but not for too long). The wife does have a role, but men have traits that can be spotted early on (hence, they need more vetting which was done in traditional societies). Some aggressive traits are desirable, but it depends on how they manifest.

    The only good worth exchanging & that brings power (sons) is woman.
     
    Women are extremely important, I'd say, even crucial. But there used to be something called the gift economy and gifting was used to demonstrate and bestow status. The more gifts one could give out, the higher status they would have. The daina says: "Beloved Dievs, allow me to grant to the other and not to ask dearly from the other". It may not be entirely altruistic.

    Imagine bothering men of high stature over domestic disputes LOL.
     
    Er, that's exactly what I said.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @silviosilver

    You may not care, but other societies do care. See how you can get away with that in Canada (you could for a while, but not for too long). The wife does have a role, but men have traits that can be spotted early on (hence, they need more vetting which was done in traditional societies). Some aggressive traits are desirable, but it depends on how they manifest.

    The more gifts one could give out, the higher status they would have.

    Eh, that’s gay. Gift economy should be handled by women. Imagine keeping tracking of all that.

    Taking heads is always higher than trinkets.

    Canada doesn’t allow Total Nigger Death unfortunately. Seriously though parole is easy & bail rules lax.

    You can wait 5 years after release for murder and get guns.

    The worst they did was make honor killing 1st degree instead of manslaughter. Even that will change as demographics do. Not worried..

    These countries basically don’t enforce laws on minorities unless they go out of their way to be noticed.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Sher Singh

    Until what year was honor killing considered manslaughter in Canada? (That situation was really fucked up, BTW. It *should* be considered murder.)

    , @LatW
    @Sher Singh


    Seriously though parole is easy & bail rules lax.
     
    For aggravated assault?

    Canada is safer because you guys do not allow young American blacks migrate there. There are quotas on who gets in, thus your society is less violent. With a more violent society, you would have stricter laws (like in the US).

    You sit in the middle of the safest and most filtered society on the planet, and you brag about being "bad". Go out in the wilder fields, someplace such as the inner city America or Eastern Slavic lands, where crime rate is much higher, with way more tolerance for violence, then we'll see.

    Same as you can brag about being violent and abusive to your own women, but White women are off limits.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  805. @Philip Owen
    @Sher Singh

    This is an interesting discussion.

    The British in North America considered the Native Americans as owners of their own land. However, settler practice and Native American practice in land sales led to confusion over ownership. So, one part of the Proclamation Act that limited colonial expansion across the Appalachians was that only the British government's could buy land from Native Americans and only the full tribal council owned the title to be able to sell it. This was a material factor in the American Revolution.

    In other parts of the world, where there were already legal systems to manage land title the British worked with the local system. However not everywhere was so organised. In Australia the British just declared the land empty. However in other places the British imposed the model that they had used in North America. So societies, not even always tribal, ended up with a tribal council and a chief. Previously in, say, New Guinea, there would just have been the best man fitted for the job at that moment without any formal cultural of chieftainship previously existing.

    In some cases the idea of a tribal council seems to have replaced the most brutal warrior ruling over his slaves. It's been hard to document.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Panchayat (Panj or Panch – Five) dates back to Vedas.
    Vedas say to trespass & impose upon hunter gatherers.

    Where 5 Singh stand the Guru holds court.
    5 Singh make formal declaration & initiate new members.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panj_Pyare

    https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Panj_Piare

    Haven’t read them.

    ਅਕਾਲ

  806. @AP
    @LatW


    Czech girls are affectionately called rado-dajky, put it in Google translate…:)

    I don’t need to translate – their reputation is well known far and wide.
     
    A difference between Czechs and Poles:

    https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/11/14/polish-border-town-asks-czechs-to-stop-getting-naked-in-its-swimming-pool-changing-rooms/

    Polish border town asks Czechs to stop getting naked in its swimming pool locker rooms

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ

    Well, nudity in a women’s only sauna is not a big deal, and in Europe in general it is more lax that way. But not in front of the kids. Or men.

    [MORE]

    However, Czech women often take things too far. Nothing against beautiful women, just maybe they need a little more self-respect?

    Judging from Beckow’s ranting, one can assume that they choose to pimp out their women to all kinds of foreigners as a means of survival. I guess, one can call that “soft power” (kinda pathetic, if not sad, actually).

    And, no, a translation is not needed, as anyone who speaks a Slavic language, can easily understand it (“the giver of pleasure or delight”).

    • Replies: @AP
    @LatW


    And, no, a translation is not needed, as anyone who speaks a Slavic language, can easily understand it (“the giver of pleasure or delight”).
     
    While the exact phrase rado-dajka isn't in Ukrainian, davaty (to give) is also slang for a woman giving sex. Same as in Russian.

    A dayka would be one who gives.

    Rado means happy, an adjective.

    The noun happiness would be radist (don't know how in Slovak).

    So the expression rado-dajky means happy fuckers, rather than a givers of joy.

    You are poetic, when the actual expression is vulgar :-)

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    , @silviosilver
    @LatW


    And, no, a translation is not needed, as anyone who speaks a Slavic language, can easily understand it (“the giver of pleasure or delight”).
     
    No, I don't think that's it.

    Radost in srb-cro means joy or gladness, but I understand rado as an adverb, meaning gladly or willingly.

    So to me the phrase means "those who willingly give it up." ("It" referring to you know what.)

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    Well, nudity in a women’s only sauna is not a big deal,
     
    What about the lesbian perverts? Or are there too few of those who are born female?

    You might be interested in this article:

    https://reduxx.info/japanese-transgender-youtuber-sparks-outcry-after-entering-womens-bath-house/

    Of course, that involved a trans lesbian pervert, not a cis lesbian pervert.
  807. So the Green Prince, Mosab Hassan Yousef, is suggesting that Algeria take in Hamas supporters and the fleeing Palis, because Algeria is friends with Hamas.

    If nice and liveable places shrink, maybe new ones need to be built in Northern Africa. There is so much space there.

  808. @AP
    @LatW


    Czech girls are affectionately called rado-dajky, put it in Google translate…:)

    I don’t need to translate – their reputation is well known far and wide.
     
    A difference between Czechs and Poles:

    https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/11/14/polish-border-town-asks-czechs-to-stop-getting-naked-in-its-swimming-pool-changing-rooms/

    Polish border town asks Czechs to stop getting naked in its swimming pool locker rooms

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ

    If Czechs like nudity but also breed more than Poles, then what exactly does this mean? Could it indicate that the Czechs’ love of nudity also makes them more active in the bedroom relative to Poles lol?

    Maybe Poles could learn a lesson from the Czechs in regards to this. “The body beautiful!”

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    If Czechs like nudity but also breed more than Poles, then what exactly does this mean? Could it indicate that the Czechs’ love of nudity also makes them more active in the bedroom relative to Poles lol?
     
    Probably has nothing to do with attitudes towards nudity, instead Czechs might be less reserved about out of wedlock births. Polish women don't want it while Czech women are probably more ok with it. Waiting forever to get married to have children, suppresses overall births.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  809. @Sher Singh
    @LatW


    You may not care, but other societies do care. See how you can get away with that in Canada (you could for a while, but not for too long). The wife does have a role, but men have traits that can be spotted early on (hence, they need more vetting which was done in traditional societies). Some aggressive traits are desirable, but it depends on how they manifest.
     

    The more gifts one could give out, the higher status they would have.
     
    Eh, that's gay. Gift economy should be handled by women. Imagine keeping tracking of all that.

    Taking heads is always higher than trinkets.

    Canada doesn't allow Total Nigger Death unfortunately. Seriously though parole is easy & bail rules lax.

    You can wait 5 years after release for murder and get guns.

    The worst they did was make honor killing 1st degree instead of manslaughter. Even that will change as demographics do. Not worried..

    These countries basically don't enforce laws on minorities unless they go out of their way to be noticed.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @LatW

    Until what year was honor killing considered manslaughter in Canada? (That situation was really fucked up, BTW. It *should* be considered murder.)

  810. @Philip Owen
    @A123

    What is Russia going to offer in return for "no NATO". It had de facto "no NATO" before it started in 2014. "No NATO" would be a total withdrawal from not just Ukrainian territory but a large demilitarized zone (say Russia west of the Volga as well) and conventional arms limitations. Anything less is not a serious offer by Russia. The EU is handing over more cash to Ukraine than all other donors combined. The US contribution is not that big. The US comes in big with obsolete weapon donations, again just about more than all other donors combined. Germany, UK and France account for most of the rest.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @LatW, @A123, @QCIC

    What is Russia going to offer in return for “no NATO”.

    Not nuking Kiev and Lviv;)
    ___

    More seriously, Ukraine started this conflict with acts of aggression against Russian ethnics, including the building of the Collective Punishment Dam. Any final resolution has to preclude Kiev from arming up again to start Round 2.

    There is nothing controversial about heading off foolishness that would encourage future conflicts.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    More seriously, Ukraine started this conflict with acts of aggression against Russian ethnics, including the building of the Collective Punishment Dam. Any final resolution has to preclude Kiev from arming up again to start Round 2.

    There is nothing controversial about heading off foolishness that would encourage future conflicts.
     
    Kremlinites should have thought about where they were going to obtain water before they decided to invade and annex Crimea. It's the aggressor that is responsible for providing water for any newly annexed territory, not the side that got ripped off. I would strongly suggest that kremlinstoogeA123 take his own advice and head off any unnecessary bickering here with his own monotonous and foolish campaign of trying to enlist sympathy for non-existent water rights issues in Crimea.
  811. @Sher Singh
    @LatW


    You may not care, but other societies do care. See how you can get away with that in Canada (you could for a while, but not for too long). The wife does have a role, but men have traits that can be spotted early on (hence, they need more vetting which was done in traditional societies). Some aggressive traits are desirable, but it depends on how they manifest.
     

    The more gifts one could give out, the higher status they would have.
     
    Eh, that's gay. Gift economy should be handled by women. Imagine keeping tracking of all that.

    Taking heads is always higher than trinkets.

    Canada doesn't allow Total Nigger Death unfortunately. Seriously though parole is easy & bail rules lax.

    You can wait 5 years after release for murder and get guns.

    The worst they did was make honor killing 1st degree instead of manslaughter. Even that will change as demographics do. Not worried..

    These countries basically don't enforce laws on minorities unless they go out of their way to be noticed.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @LatW

    Seriously though parole is easy & bail rules lax.

    For aggravated assault?

    Canada is safer because you guys do not allow young American blacks migrate there. There are quotas on who gets in, thus your society is less violent. With a more violent society, you would have stricter laws (like in the US).

    You sit in the middle of the safest and most filtered society on the planet, and you brag about being “bad”. Go out in the wilder fields, someplace such as the inner city America or Eastern Slavic lands, where crime rate is much higher, with way more tolerance for violence, then we’ll see.

    Same as you can brag about being violent and abusive to your own women, but White women are off limits.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @LatW


    Same as you can brag about being violent and abusive to your own women, but White women are off limits.

     

    They're not though.

    Yes, bail is almost mandatory & parole automatic at 2/3 easy at 1/3.

    You sit in the middle of the safest and most filtered society on the planet, and you brag about being “bad”. Go out in the wilder fields, someplace such as the inner city America or Eastern Slavic lands, where crime rate is much higher, with way more tolerance for violence, then we’ll see.
     
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/962860873435713557/1156685661009621105/unknown.png

    ਅਕਾਲ
  812. Sher Singh says:
    @LatW
    @Sher Singh


    Seriously though parole is easy & bail rules lax.
     
    For aggravated assault?

    Canada is safer because you guys do not allow young American blacks migrate there. There are quotas on who gets in, thus your society is less violent. With a more violent society, you would have stricter laws (like in the US).

    You sit in the middle of the safest and most filtered society on the planet, and you brag about being "bad". Go out in the wilder fields, someplace such as the inner city America or Eastern Slavic lands, where crime rate is much higher, with way more tolerance for violence, then we'll see.

    Same as you can brag about being violent and abusive to your own women, but White women are off limits.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Same as you can brag about being violent and abusive to your own women, but White women are off limits.

    They’re not though.

    Yes, bail is almost mandatory & parole automatic at 2/3 easy at 1/3.

    You sit in the middle of the safest and most filtered society on the planet, and you brag about being “bad”. Go out in the wilder fields, someplace such as the inner city America or Eastern Slavic lands, where crime rate is much higher, with way more tolerance for violence, then we’ll see.

    ਅਕਾਲ

  813. @LatW
    @AP

    Well, nudity in a women's only sauna is not a big deal, and in Europe in general it is more lax that way. But not in front of the kids. Or men.

    However, Czech women often take things too far. Nothing against beautiful women, just maybe they need a little more self-respect?

    Judging from Beckow's ranting, one can assume that they choose to pimp out their women to all kinds of foreigners as a means of survival. I guess, one can call that "soft power" (kinda pathetic, if not sad, actually).

    And, no, a translation is not needed, as anyone who speaks a Slavic language, can easily understand it ("the giver of pleasure or delight").

    Replies: @AP, @silviosilver, @Mr. XYZ

    And, no, a translation is not needed, as anyone who speaks a Slavic language, can easily understand it (“the giver of pleasure or delight”).

    While the exact phrase rado-dajka isn’t in Ukrainian, davaty (to give) is also slang for a woman giving sex. Same as in Russian.

    A dayka would be one who gives.

    Rado means happy, an adjective.

    The noun happiness would be radist (don’t know how in Slovak).

    So the expression rado-dajky means happy fuckers, rather than a givers of joy.

    You are poetic, when the actual expression is vulgar 🙂

    • LOL: LatW
    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @AP

    Hmm, Dehna or Dehn is to give in Panjabi.
    ਦੇਣ

    Same slang like she gives it.

    Oh Dinhdee - She Gives.
    Oh Dehn Vali - She's about to give.
    Oh Lehnda - means he takes.

    We just use Kanjar or Randi for prostitute/whore colloquially tho.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AP

    According to google translate from my computer it means "happy thanks".

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    So the expression rado-dajky means happy fuckers, rather than a givers of joy.
     
    What's the male equivalent of this? Rado-davatel'?
  814. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    If Czechs like nudity but also breed more than Poles, then what exactly does this mean? Could it indicate that the Czechs' love of nudity also makes them more active in the bedroom relative to Poles lol?

    Maybe Poles could learn a lesson from the Czechs in regards to this. "The body beautiful!"

    Replies: @LatW

    If Czechs like nudity but also breed more than Poles, then what exactly does this mean? Could it indicate that the Czechs’ love of nudity also makes them more active in the bedroom relative to Poles lol?

    Probably has nothing to do with attitudes towards nudity, instead Czechs might be less reserved about out of wedlock births. Polish women don’t want it while Czech women are probably more ok with it. Waiting forever to get married to have children, suppresses overall births.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Yeah, that makes sense. For instance, I have a likely closeted lesbian aunt in Russia* who had a daughter out of wedlock 40 years ago because she did not want to get married. We still don't know who her daughter's father is to this very day. She gave her daughter a pradedchestvo instead of an otchestvo.

    *Don't feel too bad for her. She can choose to move to Israel anytime if she will ever want to do so. She's perfectly eligible according to Israel's Law of Return. She just doesn't want to do so.

  815. @Philip Owen
    @A123

    What is Russia going to offer in return for "no NATO". It had de facto "no NATO" before it started in 2014. "No NATO" would be a total withdrawal from not just Ukrainian territory but a large demilitarized zone (say Russia west of the Volga as well) and conventional arms limitations. Anything less is not a serious offer by Russia. The EU is handing over more cash to Ukraine than all other donors combined. The US contribution is not that big. The US comes in big with obsolete weapon donations, again just about more than all other donors combined. Germany, UK and France account for most of the rest.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @LatW, @A123, @QCIC

    This is not about Ukraine.

    The West did these things to provoke, weaken and corner Russia:

    Foolishly ended nuclear arms control treaties like ABM, INF and Open skies
    Expanded NATO beyond East Germany
    Meddled in many Russian border countries
    NATO war against Serbia
    Emplaced missiles in Romania and Poland
    Ignored Minsk II
    West helps Ukraine fortify against Russia and makes AFU NATO interoperable
    Oligarchs publically sponsor Ukrainian NeoNazis
    The West supports Ukrainian drone attacks on Moscow and Engels air base
    The West bombs Nordstream
    Nah-na-nah-na-nah-na, West gives Russia the bird

    Russia:

    Please stop doing these things, you will regret the consequences of your actions. We will all lose!
    What the hell are you doing in Ukraine, are you out of your minds?
    Nuclear capable missiles and canisters in Eastern Europe, WTF?
    Attacking the Kremlin and Engels? Holy Mother of God, the West is stupid and satanic!
    The West is not treaty capable so Russia does not expect to sign any useful treaties with the West.

    Humpty Dumpty (Ukraine) cannot be reassembled into his original form. The West pushed him off the wall.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @QCIC

    You have lost your mind, if it existed to the Russian propaganda engine. There was a time I thought some of RT's statements had some validity. This is all Russian paranoia. The FSB officers were selected to be nationalist and paranoid. So the worst thing is that they believe some of this nonsense even though they made it up themselves. Independent decisions in thier former Imperial space triggers the paranoia. They have not yet understood that the Empire is decolonizing. Winning in Chechnya didn't help.

    Post Soviet Russia's own track record of honouring treaties is not great.

  816. @AP
    @LatW


    And, no, a translation is not needed, as anyone who speaks a Slavic language, can easily understand it (“the giver of pleasure or delight”).
     
    While the exact phrase rado-dajka isn't in Ukrainian, davaty (to give) is also slang for a woman giving sex. Same as in Russian.

    A dayka would be one who gives.

    Rado means happy, an adjective.

    The noun happiness would be radist (don't know how in Slovak).

    So the expression rado-dajky means happy fuckers, rather than a givers of joy.

    You are poetic, when the actual expression is vulgar :-)

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    Hmm, Dehna or Dehn is to give in Panjabi.
    ਦੇਣ

    Same slang like she gives it.

    Oh Dinhdee – She Gives.
    Oh Dehn Vali – She’s about to give.
    Oh Lehnda – means he takes.

    We just use Kanjar or Randi for prostitute/whore colloquially tho.

    • Thanks: AP
  817. @AP
    @LatW


    And, no, a translation is not needed, as anyone who speaks a Slavic language, can easily understand it (“the giver of pleasure or delight”).
     
    While the exact phrase rado-dajka isn't in Ukrainian, davaty (to give) is also slang for a woman giving sex. Same as in Russian.

    A dayka would be one who gives.

    Rado means happy, an adjective.

    The noun happiness would be radist (don't know how in Slovak).

    So the expression rado-dajky means happy fuckers, rather than a givers of joy.

    You are poetic, when the actual expression is vulgar :-)

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    According to google translate from my computer it means “happy thanks”.

  818. @LatW
    @Sher Singh

    I don’t care about an abusive husband, the wife had a role in turning him that way.
     
    You may not care, but other societies do care. See how you can get away with that in Canada (you could for a while, but not for too long). The wife does have a role, but men have traits that can be spotted early on (hence, they need more vetting which was done in traditional societies). Some aggressive traits are desirable, but it depends on how they manifest.

    The only good worth exchanging & that brings power (sons) is woman.
     
    Women are extremely important, I'd say, even crucial. But there used to be something called the gift economy and gifting was used to demonstrate and bestow status. The more gifts one could give out, the higher status they would have. The daina says: "Beloved Dievs, allow me to grant to the other and not to ask dearly from the other". It may not be entirely altruistic.

    Imagine bothering men of high stature over domestic disputes LOL.
     
    Er, that's exactly what I said.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @silviosilver

    Sigh. Why in the world do you take this copey pajeet seriously? It’s your own life to live as you please, but a just a little bit of consideration for other forum users might prompt you to refrain from replying to him, because it’s quite tiresome – and a tad deflating – having to scroll past all the brainless nonsense he posts.

    Just put yourself in his shoes for a moment. You grew up noticing that pretty much everyone is better than you, that your own people are the butt of jokes, that your own people have contributed nothing of value to the world, and then you have these ridiculous customs dumped on you that you’re pressured to maintain, and so on, but you’re also cursed with extremely prideful feelings. Well then, you are going to spend your days larping your ass off too, aren’t you, trying to impress internet strangers with tales of your toughness and your people’s greatness, ad infinitum, ad nauseam. (Imagine how hard it must have been for him pre-internet – no one to listen to him lol.)

    It deserves pity, to be sure – at least for those whose circle of concern stretches far enough to include obvious alien entities like sikhlings. Then again, the wound is self-inflicted. If he refuses to make any effort to get over his nutty obsessions, then how is it anyone’s fault but his own if he’s forever feeling defensive and agitated, constantly under the threat that his pretenses will collapse?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @silviosilver

    A small amount of inflated pseudo ethnic pride might do your new girlfriend a world of good. Give her a book about the folkways. You have nothing to lose buddy.

    Have you read about the flying saucers and atomic bombs in the Rigveda? They probably had that in Croatia too. But: they never wrote it down.

    , @LatW
    @silviosilver


    Sigh. Why in the world do you take this copey pajeet seriously? It’s your own life to live as you please, but a just a little bit of consideration for other forum users might prompt you to refrain from replying to him, because it’s quite tiresome – and a tad deflating – having to scroll past all the brainless nonsense he posts.
     
    Oh, I apologize for filling up the forum with such useless posts, I rarely talk to him. But sometimes he really triggers me with his attitude - but only when he is contemptuous of White societies and looks down on them. Otherwise he seems to be some kind of a military chad type which I quite like (he posts cool pics sometimes, although they are mostly of non-White soldiers, so don't do much for me, but the idea is good). His obsession with swords is also pretty entertaining. :)

    I should try to control my impulses better to not respond to him, to just ignore. I know you can handle him much, much better and you're very good at putting him in his place (which I appreciate greatly). I could put him in his place if I wanted to but it would take a lot of effort (he can be very feisty), and it would be a waste of time and energy.

    I also don't want to be aggressive to a minority (or a brown or "ethnic" individual). I have a natural aversion to hurting minorities (unless they go too far) but you seem much better about that. I had a really bad spat with him a while back (you weren't here) and it was so bad that after it, I remembered about you and wished you had been here, to put him in his place. Anyway, most people don't want to waste their time on this. To me there's a distance, because Canada is not my country, but I wonder how much patience I would have if someone like that settled in my homeland and started running his mouth like that.

    Btw, I don't really have issues with his pseudo ultra-trad ideology - as long as he keeps it to his own community. Seems like some kind of an ultra-masculist larp centered on the warrior ethic (which under normal circumstances and if it came from a Euro, I would find appealing).

    Just put yourself in his shoes for a moment. You grew up noticing that pretty much everyone is better than you, that your own people are the butt of joke
     
    Honestly, I can't identify with a brown person in an Anglo country. I'm very well liked everywhere I go, and I'm not sure it's that way for a guy like him. I would hope so (despite of it all). Although who knows (he seems pretty content most days when he doesn't display his urge to compete with White guys and downgrade them in their own societies).

    But thanks for sharing that insight, it never occurred to me to analyze it that deeply.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Sher Singh, @silviosilver

    , @Sher Singh
    @silviosilver

    In the real world we're more likely to attack over mudsharking than you are.


    ridiculous customs dumped on you that you’re pressured to maintain
     
    Absolutely none of that.

    extremely prideful feelings
     
    None of that either.

    I literally just carry a sword, you seem mad..
    Wish you could too?

  819. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    If Czechs like nudity but also breed more than Poles, then what exactly does this mean? Could it indicate that the Czechs’ love of nudity also makes them more active in the bedroom relative to Poles lol?
     
    Probably has nothing to do with attitudes towards nudity, instead Czechs might be less reserved about out of wedlock births. Polish women don't want it while Czech women are probably more ok with it. Waiting forever to get married to have children, suppresses overall births.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Yeah, that makes sense. For instance, I have a likely closeted lesbian aunt in Russia* who had a daughter out of wedlock 40 years ago because she did not want to get married. We still don’t know who her daughter’s father is to this very day. She gave her daughter a pradedchestvo instead of an otchestvo.

    *Don’t feel too bad for her. She can choose to move to Israel anytime if she will ever want to do so. She’s perfectly eligible according to Israel’s Law of Return. She just doesn’t want to do so.

  820. @German_reader
    @silviosilver


    I’m surprised you remember that one.
     
    I saw it mentioned in recent weeks and took a mental note of the name of that cunt, so when I saw the WSJ article I thought "Wow, that fellow is really dedicated in his attempts to export Israel's problems to Western countries".
    Totally refutes all those "counter-jihad" arguments about having common interests with Israel (not that the pro-Palestinian side is any more appealing).

    Replies: @silviosilver

    There’s nothing unique about Danon, of course. That’s how virtually all of them think. Other yids who showed up on that blog I mentioned tried the “Israel is meant to be Jewish, not diverse, but you guys love diversity, so we’re doing you a favor sending them over” approach. “Tell them anything that works” is their basic attitude. This isn’t difficult to grasp. The question of the ages is why do western polities so adamantly insist on blinding themselves to racial and cultural realities, particularly when so many of the arguments for “diversity” can easily be shown to be based on outright falsehoods? Very perplexing.

    Totally refutes all those “counter-jihad” arguments about having common interests with Israel

    Those arguments are not to be taken seriously. I could, with some hesitation, justify them as a ‘gateway drug,’ but that is all.

  821. @AP
    @Beckow


    Ukraine has not wasted those troops and equipment but has held them back for a later time…

    Are you claiming that no troops were lost in the offensive? US-UK say officially that 70k Ukie soldiers died
     
    Don’t lie. The 70k refers to the entire war, not to the paused (?) offensive.

    If nothing was achieved, by definition they were wasted
     
    They took a few villages and learned that it would be better to wait and attrite.

    even Germany ended WW2 with millions of soldiers still alive

     

    It didn’t end the war with more soldiers who were better equipped than when it started.

    Another attempt along the same lines is even less likely to succeed
     
    Not if Russian troops, logistics, and equipment are further degraded at a rate that is faster than replacement, while Ukraine gets better weapons.

    If no NATO, then nukes with long range missiles.

    There is zero chance Kiev will get nukes – not only Russia wouldn’t allow it, but also US and EU
     
    Ukraine probably has dirty bombs now, it can play dirty too if it needs to. It would be trivial for Ukraine to do what North Korea or Pakistan have done. It might even share nukes with Poland, Poles explicitly say that Ukraine should have its own nukes.

    You keep saying that the USA uses Ukraine to hurt Russia but you think the USA would mind if a Ukraine unconnected to America via NATO had its own nukes pointed at Moscow?

    no Nato. Based on that EU will not want them

    No reason to assume that.


    It is an assumption based on how EU expansion has worked in Eastern Europe: first Nato, then EU
     
    No reason to assume that Ukraine would not be granted the Finland or Austria solutions of neutrality with respect to NATO, but also EU.

    But perhaps nukes could be a bargaining chip for EU membership.

    French language policy is in 2023, it didn’t end in 1850.

    It originated in the 19th century, that was my point. You can’t do it today – it is against all EU principles for minorities
     
    France does it today. So do the Baltics. What EU principles if second largest EU member does it?

    The fact that evil Russians are the target make it even more palatable to the EU.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @QCIC

    Ukraine probably has dirty bombs now, it can play dirty too if it needs to. It would be trivial for Ukraine to do what North Korea or Pakistan have done. It might even share nukes with Poland, Poles explicitly say that Ukraine should have its own nukes.

    Poland doesn’t need nukes all that much when it already has NATO. However, as a backup option in the event that NATO will ever dissolve, I suppose that nukes could indeed work for Poland.

    Makes one wonder whether Russia would have preferred, as an alternative to NATO expansion in the 1990s and beyond, having Poland and Ukraine develop their own nuclear weapons and then sharing them with any neighbors who wanted them, such as the Baltic countries.

    But perhaps nukes could be a bargaining chip for EU membership.

    Only in exchange for actually meaningful Western security guarantees on top of EU membership. Ukraine already got badly burned with the Budapest Memorandum.

  822. @LatW
    @AP

    Well, nudity in a women's only sauna is not a big deal, and in Europe in general it is more lax that way. But not in front of the kids. Or men.

    However, Czech women often take things too far. Nothing against beautiful women, just maybe they need a little more self-respect?

    Judging from Beckow's ranting, one can assume that they choose to pimp out their women to all kinds of foreigners as a means of survival. I guess, one can call that "soft power" (kinda pathetic, if not sad, actually).

    And, no, a translation is not needed, as anyone who speaks a Slavic language, can easily understand it ("the giver of pleasure or delight").

    Replies: @AP, @silviosilver, @Mr. XYZ

    And, no, a translation is not needed, as anyone who speaks a Slavic language, can easily understand it (“the giver of pleasure or delight”).

    No, I don’t think that’s it.

    Radost in srb-cro means joy or gladness, but I understand rado as an adverb, meaning gladly or willingly.

    So to me the phrase means “those who willingly give it up.” (“It” referring to you know what.)

    • Replies: @LatW
    @silviosilver


    Radost in srb-cro means joy or gladness, but I understand rado as an adverb, meaning gladly or willingly.

    So to me the phrase means “those who willingly give it up.” (“It” referring to you know what.)
     
    Ah, right, if you translate it that way, then yes. Didn't think of that. I was thinking more of Russian, as a "giver of what - of rado", giver of joy (we have a similar name in my language). But in your translation it's just "easy" ("gives it up happily", lol). It makes sense. And, yes, in my language we have this, too (to "give" [it]).

    Btw, I really like the Serbian name Radovan ("the one who delights" or "the one who is delighted").

    And, of course, there is the Slavic deity, Radogost. It's a deity connected to light (so I'm wondering if the Russian word for rainbow (raduga) could be related to it).
  823. @AP
    @Beckow


    Ukraine has not wasted those troops and equipment but has held them back for a later time…

    Are you claiming that no troops were lost in the offensive? US-UK say officially that 70k Ukie soldiers died
     
    Don’t lie. The 70k refers to the entire war, not to the paused (?) offensive.

    If nothing was achieved, by definition they were wasted
     
    They took a few villages and learned that it would be better to wait and attrite.

    even Germany ended WW2 with millions of soldiers still alive

     

    It didn’t end the war with more soldiers who were better equipped than when it started.

    Another attempt along the same lines is even less likely to succeed
     
    Not if Russian troops, logistics, and equipment are further degraded at a rate that is faster than replacement, while Ukraine gets better weapons.

    If no NATO, then nukes with long range missiles.

    There is zero chance Kiev will get nukes – not only Russia wouldn’t allow it, but also US and EU
     
    Ukraine probably has dirty bombs now, it can play dirty too if it needs to. It would be trivial for Ukraine to do what North Korea or Pakistan have done. It might even share nukes with Poland, Poles explicitly say that Ukraine should have its own nukes.

    You keep saying that the USA uses Ukraine to hurt Russia but you think the USA would mind if a Ukraine unconnected to America via NATO had its own nukes pointed at Moscow?

    no Nato. Based on that EU will not want them

    No reason to assume that.


    It is an assumption based on how EU expansion has worked in Eastern Europe: first Nato, then EU
     
    No reason to assume that Ukraine would not be granted the Finland or Austria solutions of neutrality with respect to NATO, but also EU.

    But perhaps nukes could be a bargaining chip for EU membership.

    French language policy is in 2023, it didn’t end in 1850.

    It originated in the 19th century, that was my point. You can’t do it today – it is against all EU principles for minorities
     
    France does it today. So do the Baltics. What EU principles if second largest EU member does it?

    The fact that evil Russians are the target make it even more palatable to the EU.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @QCIC

    BTW, AP, if I hadn’t already, I want to strongly apologize for my 2014-2022 support of Russia’s 2014 moves in Crimea and Donbass. Had I known ahead of time that they would lead to Russia trying to conquer all of Ukraine in 2022 and to the huge bloodbath of 2022-2023, I would have never supported these moves (TBF, I supported Crimea but opposed the Donbass in 2014 because I feared that Russia couldn’t hold on to the Donbass, but then changed my mind about the Donbass in late 2014 when I saw the benefit of removing the pro-Russian Donbass from Ukraine from a Ukrainian perspective. Of course, this benefit is now much less than it was back in 2014 because the rest of Ukraine is now much, much more hostile towards Russia than it was back in 2014, so even reincorporating Crimea and the Donbass into Ukraine (without any veto power over Ukrainian national policies) won’t meaningfully change the overall situation in Ukraine in regards to attitudes towards Russia).

    I guess that this shows that, just like with Hitler in the Sudetenland in 1938, Russia’s moves were initially somewhat based on national self-determination and then subsequently went out of control to the point that even the initial moves should not have been done at all. Even if Ukrainian NATO membership was inevitable since 2014 (which I disagree with, but granting this premise for the sake of argument), it was still better to negotiate some sort of deal with NATO over this than to get 100,000 Russians killed in a useless and pointless war. Of course, unfortunately, Putin’s little Crimean move significantly boosted his popularity, so maybe from a popularity-focused perspective, Putin really should have taken and annexed both Crimea and Donbass in 2014 and just let the rest of Ukraine go.

    • LOL: Mikhail
  824. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    Of course, stupid right-wing Israeli Jews are already screaming and howling about this ruling. Morons!

    If the widow or widower of a person with a single Jewish maternal grandmother and three other gentile grandparents has a right to immigrate to Israel, then it makes perfect sense to also extend this right to the widow or widower of a person with any other single Jewish grandparent and three other gentile grandparents. Egalitarianism matters, after all!

    Replies: @Greasy William

    On one hand, “no”. But otoh, the Redemption is coming soon so we want to gather in as many of the sparks as we can. Especially since I don’t think those of us in the diaspora are going to fare any better than our goyish hosts will.

    I’m still not going to make aliyah, though. I’ve had a pretty good run

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Greasy William

    Believe what you want, but I will disagree with you in regards to this. My main interest in supporting this ruling is because these people are connected to the Jewish people in some way and thus are unlikely to be anti-Semitic and because these people can also help improve Israel.

  825. @silviosilver
    @LatW

    Sigh. Why in the world do you take this copey pajeet seriously? It's your own life to live as you please, but a just a little bit of consideration for other forum users might prompt you to refrain from replying to him, because it's quite tiresome - and a tad deflating - having to scroll past all the brainless nonsense he posts.

    Just put yourself in his shoes for a moment. You grew up noticing that pretty much everyone is better than you, that your own people are the butt of jokes, that your own people have contributed nothing of value to the world, and then you have these ridiculous customs dumped on you that you're pressured to maintain, and so on, but you're also cursed with extremely prideful feelings. Well then, you are going to spend your days larping your ass off too, aren't you, trying to impress internet strangers with tales of your toughness and your people's greatness, ad infinitum, ad nauseam. (Imagine how hard it must have been for him pre-internet - no one to listen to him lol.)

    It deserves pity, to be sure - at least for those whose circle of concern stretches far enough to include obvious alien entities like sikhlings. Then again, the wound is self-inflicted. If he refuses to make any effort to get over his nutty obsessions, then how is it anyone's fault but his own if he's forever feeling defensive and agitated, constantly under the threat that his pretenses will collapse?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW, @Sher Singh

    A small amount of inflated pseudo ethnic pride might do your new girlfriend a world of good. Give her a book about the folkways. You have nothing to lose buddy.

    Have you read about the flying saucers and atomic bombs in the Rigveda? They probably had that in Croatia too. But: they never wrote it down.

  826. @silviosilver
    @LatW


    And, no, a translation is not needed, as anyone who speaks a Slavic language, can easily understand it (“the giver of pleasure or delight”).
     
    No, I don't think that's it.

    Radost in srb-cro means joy or gladness, but I understand rado as an adverb, meaning gladly or willingly.

    So to me the phrase means "those who willingly give it up." ("It" referring to you know what.)

    Replies: @LatW

    Radost in srb-cro means joy or gladness, but I understand rado as an adverb, meaning gladly or willingly.

    So to me the phrase means “those who willingly give it up.” (“It” referring to you know what.)

    Ah, right, if you translate it that way, then yes. Didn’t think of that. I was thinking more of Russian, as a “giver of what – of rado“, giver of joy (we have a similar name in my language). But in your translation it’s just “easy” (“gives it up happily”, lol). It makes sense. And, yes, in my language we have this, too (to “give” [it]).

    Btw, I really like the Serbian name Radovan (“the one who delights” or “the one who is delighted”).

    And, of course, there is the Slavic deity, Radogost. It’s a deity connected to light (so I’m wondering if the Russian word for rainbow (raduga) could be related to it).

  827. @silviosilver
    @LatW

    Sigh. Why in the world do you take this copey pajeet seriously? It's your own life to live as you please, but a just a little bit of consideration for other forum users might prompt you to refrain from replying to him, because it's quite tiresome - and a tad deflating - having to scroll past all the brainless nonsense he posts.

    Just put yourself in his shoes for a moment. You grew up noticing that pretty much everyone is better than you, that your own people are the butt of jokes, that your own people have contributed nothing of value to the world, and then you have these ridiculous customs dumped on you that you're pressured to maintain, and so on, but you're also cursed with extremely prideful feelings. Well then, you are going to spend your days larping your ass off too, aren't you, trying to impress internet strangers with tales of your toughness and your people's greatness, ad infinitum, ad nauseam. (Imagine how hard it must have been for him pre-internet - no one to listen to him lol.)

    It deserves pity, to be sure - at least for those whose circle of concern stretches far enough to include obvious alien entities like sikhlings. Then again, the wound is self-inflicted. If he refuses to make any effort to get over his nutty obsessions, then how is it anyone's fault but his own if he's forever feeling defensive and agitated, constantly under the threat that his pretenses will collapse?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW, @Sher Singh

    Sigh. Why in the world do you take this copey pajeet seriously? It’s your own life to live as you please, but a just a little bit of consideration for other forum users might prompt you to refrain from replying to him, because it’s quite tiresome – and a tad deflating – having to scroll past all the brainless nonsense he posts.

    Oh, I apologize for filling up the forum with such useless posts, I rarely talk to him. But sometimes he really triggers me with his attitude – but only when he is contemptuous of White societies and looks down on them. Otherwise he seems to be some kind of a military chad type which I quite like (he posts cool pics sometimes, although they are mostly of non-White soldiers, so don’t do much for me, but the idea is good). His obsession with swords is also pretty entertaining. 🙂

    [MORE]

    I should try to control my impulses better to not respond to him, to just ignore. I know you can handle him much, much better and you’re very good at putting him in his place (which I appreciate greatly). I could put him in his place if I wanted to but it would take a lot of effort (he can be very feisty), and it would be a waste of time and energy.

    I also don’t want to be aggressive to a minority (or a brown or “ethnic” individual). I have a natural aversion to hurting minorities (unless they go too far) but you seem much better about that. I had a really bad spat with him a while back (you weren’t here) and it was so bad that after it, I remembered about you and wished you had been here, to put him in his place. Anyway, most people don’t want to waste their time on this. To me there’s a distance, because Canada is not my country, but I wonder how much patience I would have if someone like that settled in my homeland and started running his mouth like that.

    Btw, I don’t really have issues with his pseudo ultra-trad ideology – as long as he keeps it to his own community. Seems like some kind of an ultra-masculist larp centered on the warrior ethic (which under normal circumstances and if it came from a Euro, I would find appealing).

    Just put yourself in his shoes for a moment. You grew up noticing that pretty much everyone is better than you, that your own people are the butt of joke

    Honestly, I can’t identify with a brown person in an Anglo country. I’m very well liked everywhere I go, and I’m not sure it’s that way for a guy like him. I would hope so (despite of it all). Although who knows (he seems pretty content most days when he doesn’t display his urge to compete with White guys and downgrade them in their own societies).

    But thanks for sharing that insight, it never occurred to me to analyze it that deeply.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @LatW


    his urge to compete with White guys and downgrade them in their own societies
     
    They're doing that to themselves.

    I'm sure it's so hard being Sikh in australia..

    https://twitter.com/baghardh/status/1624517495259561985

    LMFAO

    These societies lost their Anglo character decades back.
    They're liberal/cosmopolitan I'm not identified as 'brown' but Sikh.
    Silvio is mad because he's an Orthocuck.
    Sikhs are literally converting Europeans back to thier Pagan faiths/leading revivals.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Sher Singh
    @LatW


    but only when he is contemptuous of White societies and looks down on them
    how much patience I would have if someone like that settled in my homeland and started running his mouth like that.
     
    Your racialism is just a defense of christianity.
    It's not your homeland unless you're Pagan.

    That's a consistent stance I've always maintained.

    @Mr.XYZ You're against honor killing because you're a jew.
    You don't have a sense of honor, but profit.

    Like the Prophet Abraham profiting off his sister.


    Er… no. We’re doing this on our own. It has nothing to do with Sikhs whatsoever. There you go again – again your stuck up attitude.
     
    Both things can be true.. the stuck up one is you.
    Everything to you is a dominance play
    because you're from a low-trust psuedo third world part of the globe.

    Basically just a White Hindu.
    Eternally seething.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @LatW

    , @silviosilver
    @LatW


    But sometimes he really triggers me with his attitude – but only when he is contemptuous of White societies and looks down on them.
     
    Yes, he has a knack for getting under people's skin. He fully deserves the retribution he receives for this attitude. If it were not for this, I'd never have had any reason to rip into him (or his ethnicity).

    I doubt he is really as contemptuous as he comes off. It's all part of the cope, imo. That's also why I doubt his tough guy pose. It's possible he's a holy terror on the streets, but just as possible he's a complete wimp who'd shit if I simply glared at him. (We can't know, and it's not worth pondering.)


    I also don’t want to be aggressive to a minority (or a brown or “ethnic” individual). I have a natural aversion to hurting minorities (unless they go too far) but you seem much better about that.
     
    I don't address anyone this rudely irl. And I don't think I do it too much on the internet either. There's nothing admirable or heroic (obviously) about the kind of things I say in this regard. (In fact, I understand perfectly why some leftie might get so enraged about it he'd want to put a bullet in my head.) But you know, if someone really wants see what an unflinching view of racial realities as they stand on our planet on looks like, no-holds-barred racial forums are the place to go, and I don't mind taking on the role of that dude who'll give you the unvarnished truth. Which of course means my own ethnicity is fair game too (which it is, and I invite anyone who wants to to have at it). The difference between me and the sikh is I just don't care what anyone says. Also, I have been that "ethnic individual" on numerous occasions growing up, and the Anglo-Saxons of yore were not shy about telling you what they thought of your race (those days, alas, appear to be gone, perhaps never to return), so I don't feel anything like the same pressure you or other people might not to be too rude and crude.

    Btw, I don’t really have issues with his pseudo ultra-trad ideology – as long as he keeps it to his own community. Seems like some kind of an ultra-masculist larp centered on the warrior ethic (which under normal circumstances and if it came from a Euro, I would find appealing).
     
    As much as I might intellectually disagree with it today, for most of my life I found at least some (and more often, a lot) of appeal in it. To take the most extreme example, the Nazis, as much as I've loathed them and feared them and disagreed with them, their program at least made logical sense to me, and sometimes even stirred positive emotions in me. Who knows, it's not certain, but if I were German (or Germanic), I probably would have at least for some part of my life gone all-in on it. It's a complete contrast to Marxism (to say nothing of the loony variants on it of more recent vintage), which has never had any intellectual or emotional (hah) appeal to me whatsoever. For the purposes of establishing baseline leanings ("left" or "right"), this distinction (based on emotional appeal) might be the most potent political litmus test available.

    Replies: @LatW, @Sher Singh, @LatW

  828. Sher Singh says:
    @silviosilver
    @LatW

    Sigh. Why in the world do you take this copey pajeet seriously? It's your own life to live as you please, but a just a little bit of consideration for other forum users might prompt you to refrain from replying to him, because it's quite tiresome - and a tad deflating - having to scroll past all the brainless nonsense he posts.

    Just put yourself in his shoes for a moment. You grew up noticing that pretty much everyone is better than you, that your own people are the butt of jokes, that your own people have contributed nothing of value to the world, and then you have these ridiculous customs dumped on you that you're pressured to maintain, and so on, but you're also cursed with extremely prideful feelings. Well then, you are going to spend your days larping your ass off too, aren't you, trying to impress internet strangers with tales of your toughness and your people's greatness, ad infinitum, ad nauseam. (Imagine how hard it must have been for him pre-internet - no one to listen to him lol.)

    It deserves pity, to be sure - at least for those whose circle of concern stretches far enough to include obvious alien entities like sikhlings. Then again, the wound is self-inflicted. If he refuses to make any effort to get over his nutty obsessions, then how is it anyone's fault but his own if he's forever feeling defensive and agitated, constantly under the threat that his pretenses will collapse?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW, @Sher Singh

    In the real world we’re more likely to attack over mudsharking than you are.

    ridiculous customs dumped on you that you’re pressured to maintain

    Absolutely none of that.

    extremely prideful feelings

    None of that either.

    I literally just carry a sword, you seem mad..
    Wish you could too?

  829. @LatW
    @silviosilver


    Sigh. Why in the world do you take this copey pajeet seriously? It’s your own life to live as you please, but a just a little bit of consideration for other forum users might prompt you to refrain from replying to him, because it’s quite tiresome – and a tad deflating – having to scroll past all the brainless nonsense he posts.
     
    Oh, I apologize for filling up the forum with such useless posts, I rarely talk to him. But sometimes he really triggers me with his attitude - but only when he is contemptuous of White societies and looks down on them. Otherwise he seems to be some kind of a military chad type which I quite like (he posts cool pics sometimes, although they are mostly of non-White soldiers, so don't do much for me, but the idea is good). His obsession with swords is also pretty entertaining. :)

    I should try to control my impulses better to not respond to him, to just ignore. I know you can handle him much, much better and you're very good at putting him in his place (which I appreciate greatly). I could put him in his place if I wanted to but it would take a lot of effort (he can be very feisty), and it would be a waste of time and energy.

    I also don't want to be aggressive to a minority (or a brown or "ethnic" individual). I have a natural aversion to hurting minorities (unless they go too far) but you seem much better about that. I had a really bad spat with him a while back (you weren't here) and it was so bad that after it, I remembered about you and wished you had been here, to put him in his place. Anyway, most people don't want to waste their time on this. To me there's a distance, because Canada is not my country, but I wonder how much patience I would have if someone like that settled in my homeland and started running his mouth like that.

    Btw, I don't really have issues with his pseudo ultra-trad ideology - as long as he keeps it to his own community. Seems like some kind of an ultra-masculist larp centered on the warrior ethic (which under normal circumstances and if it came from a Euro, I would find appealing).

    Just put yourself in his shoes for a moment. You grew up noticing that pretty much everyone is better than you, that your own people are the butt of joke
     
    Honestly, I can't identify with a brown person in an Anglo country. I'm very well liked everywhere I go, and I'm not sure it's that way for a guy like him. I would hope so (despite of it all). Although who knows (he seems pretty content most days when he doesn't display his urge to compete with White guys and downgrade them in their own societies).

    But thanks for sharing that insight, it never occurred to me to analyze it that deeply.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Sher Singh, @silviosilver

    his urge to compete with White guys and downgrade them in their own societies

    They’re doing that to themselves.

    I’m sure it’s so hard being Sikh in australia..

    LMFAO

    These societies lost their Anglo character decades back.
    They’re liberal/cosmopolitan I’m not identified as ‘brown’ but Sikh.
    Silvio is mad because he’s an Orthocuck.
    Sikhs are literally converting Europeans back to thier Pagan faiths/leading revivals.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Sher Singh


    Sikhs are literally converting Europeans back to thier Pagan faiths/leading revivals.
     
    Er... no. We're doing this on our own. It has nothing to do with Sikhs whatsoever. There you go again - again your stuck up attitude.

    There are no Sikhs in Eastern Europe (or in Scandinavia) and that's where the European paganism has grown the most in the past decades.


    And I don't get what is up with your exquisite attitude about the kirpan, when plenty of White guys own firearms.

  830. @Greasy William
    @Mr. XYZ

    On one hand, "no". But otoh, the Redemption is coming soon so we want to gather in as many of the sparks as we can. Especially since I don't think those of us in the diaspora are going to fare any better than our goyish hosts will.

    I'm still not going to make aliyah, though. I've had a pretty good run

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Believe what you want, but I will disagree with you in regards to this. My main interest in supporting this ruling is because these people are connected to the Jewish people in some way and thus are unlikely to be anti-Semitic and because these people can also help improve Israel.

  831. @Sher Singh
    @LatW


    his urge to compete with White guys and downgrade them in their own societies
     
    They're doing that to themselves.

    I'm sure it's so hard being Sikh in australia..

    https://twitter.com/baghardh/status/1624517495259561985

    LMFAO

    These societies lost their Anglo character decades back.
    They're liberal/cosmopolitan I'm not identified as 'brown' but Sikh.
    Silvio is mad because he's an Orthocuck.
    Sikhs are literally converting Europeans back to thier Pagan faiths/leading revivals.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @LatW

    Sikhs are literally converting Europeans back to thier Pagan faiths/leading revivals.

    Er… no. We’re doing this on our own. It has nothing to do with Sikhs whatsoever. There you go again – again your stuck up attitude.

    There are no Sikhs in Eastern Europe (or in Scandinavia) and that’s where the European paganism has grown the most in the past decades.

    [MORE]

    And I don’t get what is up with your exquisite attitude about the kirpan, when plenty of White guys own firearms.

  832. Sher Singh says:
    @LatW
    @silviosilver


    Sigh. Why in the world do you take this copey pajeet seriously? It’s your own life to live as you please, but a just a little bit of consideration for other forum users might prompt you to refrain from replying to him, because it’s quite tiresome – and a tad deflating – having to scroll past all the brainless nonsense he posts.
     
    Oh, I apologize for filling up the forum with such useless posts, I rarely talk to him. But sometimes he really triggers me with his attitude - but only when he is contemptuous of White societies and looks down on them. Otherwise he seems to be some kind of a military chad type which I quite like (he posts cool pics sometimes, although they are mostly of non-White soldiers, so don't do much for me, but the idea is good). His obsession with swords is also pretty entertaining. :)

    I should try to control my impulses better to not respond to him, to just ignore. I know you can handle him much, much better and you're very good at putting him in his place (which I appreciate greatly). I could put him in his place if I wanted to but it would take a lot of effort (he can be very feisty), and it would be a waste of time and energy.

    I also don't want to be aggressive to a minority (or a brown or "ethnic" individual). I have a natural aversion to hurting minorities (unless they go too far) but you seem much better about that. I had a really bad spat with him a while back (you weren't here) and it was so bad that after it, I remembered about you and wished you had been here, to put him in his place. Anyway, most people don't want to waste their time on this. To me there's a distance, because Canada is not my country, but I wonder how much patience I would have if someone like that settled in my homeland and started running his mouth like that.

    Btw, I don't really have issues with his pseudo ultra-trad ideology - as long as he keeps it to his own community. Seems like some kind of an ultra-masculist larp centered on the warrior ethic (which under normal circumstances and if it came from a Euro, I would find appealing).

    Just put yourself in his shoes for a moment. You grew up noticing that pretty much everyone is better than you, that your own people are the butt of joke
     
    Honestly, I can't identify with a brown person in an Anglo country. I'm very well liked everywhere I go, and I'm not sure it's that way for a guy like him. I would hope so (despite of it all). Although who knows (he seems pretty content most days when he doesn't display his urge to compete with White guys and downgrade them in their own societies).

    But thanks for sharing that insight, it never occurred to me to analyze it that deeply.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Sher Singh, @silviosilver

    but only when he is contemptuous of White societies and looks down on them
    how much patience I would have if someone like that settled in my homeland and started running his mouth like that.

    Your racialism is just a defense of christianity.
    It’s not your homeland unless you’re Pagan.

    That’s a consistent stance I’ve always maintained.

    @Mr.XYZ You’re against honor killing because you’re a jew.
    You don’t have a sense of honor, but profit.

    Like the Prophet Abraham profiting off his sister.

    Er… no. We’re doing this on our own. It has nothing to do with Sikhs whatsoever. There you go again – again your stuck up attitude.

    Both things can be true.. the stuck up one is you.
    Everything to you is a dominance play
    because you’re from a low-trust psuedo third world part of the globe.

    Basically just a White Hindu.
    Eternally seething.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Sher Singh


    It’s not your homeland unless you’re Pagan.
     
    Yes, it very much is. It is our homeland, no matter the religion, regardless if we're Christian or secular. I could stand on my head and it would still be my homeland. That's very basic as much as the likes of you would want to deny that. It's a real thing.

    And plenty of us are Pagan.

    Omg, silvio was right... this is ridiculous. Why do you even care - live happily in Canadia and leave others alone.

    Eternally seething.
     
    I only seethe about things that upset me such as Russia's wars and annoying diversity types in White lands. Otherwise I'm quite content with life, thank you very much.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  833. https://vdare.com/posts/chutzpah-on-steroids-two-israelis-want-the-west-to-import-gaza-victims-commenters-fume

    The two Israeli Jewish politicians who wrote that article (not the VDARE one, but the Wall Street Journal one mentioned over at VDARE) are dumb as fuck. This article feeds into the narrative that Jews want closed borders for Israel* but open borders for the West. Also, if Arab countries themselves are unwilling to accept Palestinian refugees (and certainly not in huge numbers!) in spite of the much greater cultural compatibility** between them and Palestinian refugees, what exactly does that say about the West’s ability to integrate Palestinian refugees, other than perhaps their cognitive elites?

    *There would likely be a couple million Third Worlders who would be willing to convert to Judaism and subsequently move to Israel if they were actually given the chance to do so. But they aren’t!

    **The cultural gap between Gulf Arabs and Levantines might have been significant in 600 AD. I doubt that it is anywhere near as significant right now.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ

    If he wrote a liberal article, that is the opposite, it looks like a sign Israel's government might not be stupid as Moscow.

    Israel's government should try to be nonaligned with Western far-right way of speaking, if you attract far-right support it will be a fast way to receive international sanctions. * Diplomatically strong position if you had annoyed far-right groups, than if those people are supporting you.

    That was one of Putin's voluntary failures. Part of the marketing budget was for Russia was to the far-right and this has allowed the unemotional use of the sanctions against Russia, as they viewed sanctioning Russia as partly an internal police against the far-right or also extreme left.

    It's not mysterious why they were going to market for the marginal sides of the political spectrum, it's inherited from Soviet textbooks. Putin studied for years in the "Academy of external intelligence" before he has worked in German Democratic Republic. But it's an example where you can only be this stupid by education or the expired education.

    Worse thing, is how Putin allows Russia to be presented as anti-LGBT in the international media at the time that was becoming more fashionable, even though reality of the culture is relatively liberal, especially Russia is natively socially liberal, although politically conservative.

    One of the most important support for Israel was the center-left, which you see now with Biden. The problem for Israel, those center-left groups which supported Israel are over about 50-60 years old. While the younger left has views more like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

    Center-right supports Israel in part of the West and with conditions. Those kind of politicians like Ursula von der Leyen are liberal people.

    The Wall Street Journal is a prestigious center, "neoliberal" part of the Murdoch's media. So, that is the kind of newpaper they should write in.

    Israeli politicians should write a lot of liberal articles also in New York Times, Economist, Le Monde - prestigious newspapers which they are alienated in and not popular.

    Fox News, New York Post and Daily Mail would support them anyway.




    -

    *I know nobody sanctions Hungary, even though Orban is popular with Tucker Carlson. But if Hungary with Orban was in a war with the Muslim world, while not a member of the EU and NATO? With their unpopularity, they would be sanctioned rapidly.

  834. @S
    @Mr. Hack


    The young coiffed up ladies were a pleasant sight.
     
    Yes, on the right women some of those 60's hairstyles were alright. Supposedly 'the flip' is making a comeback.



    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1Tso69LZ2nQ/WLcc_NeIPkI/AAAAAAACl4k/OhjMkaIStmcA6MQUVC3DOlJiAv11w62jgCEw/s640/6-Jean-Shrimpton-1960s-Hairstyle-Flip.jpg

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R5dQGzUkP4U/WLcc_IsgIJI/AAAAAAACl4g/3IMcKuJSX-g9N_zwYGTyVpRHQMHuno_EQCEw/s640/5-Jane-Fonda-1960s-Hairstyle.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. Hack

    BTW, my 91 year old roommate stood next to Jane Fonda at an anti-war rally late 60’s/early 70’s at the main library at the University of Maryland. He said that she was a “real doll” but not as tall as she claimed (5’8″). He of course was a staunch anti-commie, but still always had a soft spot in his heart for
    “Hanoi Jane”.

    • LOL: S
  835. @AP
    @LatW


    And, no, a translation is not needed, as anyone who speaks a Slavic language, can easily understand it (“the giver of pleasure or delight”).
     
    While the exact phrase rado-dajka isn't in Ukrainian, davaty (to give) is also slang for a woman giving sex. Same as in Russian.

    A dayka would be one who gives.

    Rado means happy, an adjective.

    The noun happiness would be radist (don't know how in Slovak).

    So the expression rado-dajky means happy fuckers, rather than a givers of joy.

    You are poetic, when the actual expression is vulgar :-)

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    So the expression rado-dajky means happy fuckers, rather than a givers of joy.

    What’s the male equivalent of this? Rado-davatel’?

  836. @Sher Singh
    @LatW


    but only when he is contemptuous of White societies and looks down on them
    how much patience I would have if someone like that settled in my homeland and started running his mouth like that.
     
    Your racialism is just a defense of christianity.
    It's not your homeland unless you're Pagan.

    That's a consistent stance I've always maintained.

    @Mr.XYZ You're against honor killing because you're a jew.
    You don't have a sense of honor, but profit.

    Like the Prophet Abraham profiting off his sister.


    Er… no. We’re doing this on our own. It has nothing to do with Sikhs whatsoever. There you go again – again your stuck up attitude.
     
    Both things can be true.. the stuck up one is you.
    Everything to you is a dominance play
    because you're from a low-trust psuedo third world part of the globe.

    Basically just a White Hindu.
    Eternally seething.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @LatW

    [MORE]

    It’s not your homeland unless you’re Pagan.

    Yes, it very much is. It is our homeland, no matter the religion, regardless if we’re Christian or secular. I could stand on my head and it would still be my homeland. That’s very basic as much as the likes of you would want to deny that. It’s a real thing.

    And plenty of us are Pagan.

    Omg, silvio was right… this is ridiculous. Why do you even care – live happily in Canadia and leave others alone.

    Eternally seething.

    I only seethe about things that upset me such as Russia’s wars and annoying diversity types in White lands. Otherwise I’m quite content with life, thank you very much.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @LatW

    Do you see any of the North Americans taking issue with me?
    Ethnos is more than just blood - Pagans are a distinct ethnos.
    Silvio's opinion literally doesn't matter - he's unarmed.


    Why do you even care – live happily in Canadia and leave others alone.
     
    Aren't you guys trying to psychoanalyze and put me down for being 'Not White'?

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1100267815883264070/1174576095027273868/Singh_WW1.jpg
  837. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Dmitry

    I would make this classification:

    1. Reflect and expiate at a proper level for past sins; but not excessively so that you are exposed to moral blackmail

    2. Reflect and expiate excessively for past sins; so that you not only you are exposed to moral blackmail, your existence may be threatened either by hostile foreigners or internal extremists

    3. Reflect and expiate very little for past sins. Just be based.

    Type 1-- I think applies to Japan, and maybe Russia

    Type 2-- I think you know who that applies to. The Japanese call this 自虐史観じぎゃくしかん Jigyaku shikan “masochistic view of history”, the historical view that emphasizes the negative aspects of one's history,

    https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/自虐史観

    Type 3-- Applies to China, who only whines about what other have done to it "Century of Humiliation", never what it has done to others.

    But most the atrocies that Chinese have committed are towards each other, or peoples that have been assimilated, so it's less or an issue.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Dmitry

    “The war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan’s advantage.” – The Emperor Hirohito after, within 4 days, Japan suffered the US atomic bombing of Hiroshima, the Soviet invasion and crushing of the Japanese Army in Manchuria, and the US atomic bombing of Nagasaki.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere


    “The war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan’s advantage.”
     
    I still think the Japanese threw in the towel too early

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

  838. @A123
    @Philip Owen


    What is Russia going to offer in return for “no NATO”.
     
    Not nuking Kiev and Lviv;)
    ___

    More seriously, Ukraine started this conflict with acts of aggression against Russian ethnics, including the building of the Collective Punishment Dam. Any final resolution has to preclude Kiev from arming up again to start Round 2.

    There is nothing controversial about heading off foolishness that would encourage future conflicts.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    More seriously, Ukraine started this conflict with acts of aggression against Russian ethnics, including the building of the Collective Punishment Dam. Any final resolution has to preclude Kiev from arming up again to start Round 2.

    There is nothing controversial about heading off foolishness that would encourage future conflicts.

    Kremlinites should have thought about where they were going to obtain water before they decided to invade and annex Crimea. It’s the aggressor that is responsible for providing water for any newly annexed territory, not the side that got ripped off. I would strongly suggest that kremlinstoogeA123 take his own advice and head off any unnecessary bickering here with his own monotonous and foolish campaign of trying to enlist sympathy for non-existent water rights issues in Crimea.

    • LOL: Mikhail
  839. Sher Singh says:
    @LatW
    @Sher Singh


    It’s not your homeland unless you’re Pagan.
     
    Yes, it very much is. It is our homeland, no matter the religion, regardless if we're Christian or secular. I could stand on my head and it would still be my homeland. That's very basic as much as the likes of you would want to deny that. It's a real thing.

    And plenty of us are Pagan.

    Omg, silvio was right... this is ridiculous. Why do you even care - live happily in Canadia and leave others alone.

    Eternally seething.
     
    I only seethe about things that upset me such as Russia's wars and annoying diversity types in White lands. Otherwise I'm quite content with life, thank you very much.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Do you see any of the North Americans taking issue with me?
    Ethnos is more than just blood – Pagans are a distinct ethnos.
    Silvio’s opinion literally doesn’t matter – he’s unarmed.

    Why do you even care – live happily in Canadia and leave others alone.

    Aren’t you guys trying to psychoanalyze and put me down for being ‘Not White’?

    • LOL: LatW
  840. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Sher Singh

    Did he achieve that feat against the Japanese during the Burma Campaign or during the Indo Pak war?

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Western Front WW1.

    Belgian kids used to dress up as Sikhs to taunt German troops.
    Black Lions is what the Germans called them.

    “And I don’t get what is up with your exquisite attitude about the kirpan, when plenty of White guys own firearms.”

    https://fox40.com/news/local-news/sikh-man-wants-legal-access-to-assault-weapons/

    Yes, especially White Sikhs.

    https://nitter.net/arya_amsha/status/1607095249268273154#m
    https://www.instagram.com/p/CzQi4OCsMiT/

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Sher Singh




    Almost a third of all foreign students in Latvia come from India, around 5,000 students.

    Prabh's story
    Prabh from India studies at Latvia University of Life Sciences and Technologies (LLU) in Jelgava. He chose Latvia because studies are much cheaper than they are in India.

    Prabh is a third-year student of business economics. He came to Latvia in February 2018.

    "When I landed at the airport, it was very tough for me. Because it was the first time so far away from home.

    I had watched YouTube videos before. My mom had advised me to write to the university so they help me get a taxi. I did it, and a man awaited me at the airport. He took me to the hostel,"

    Prabh comes from Punjab, where sikhism is popular. Those belonging to this religion do not cut their hair and wear a turban. Prabh does not wear a turban as he feels he would draw too much attention. His friend, Mr Singh, does wear one. Prabh and Mr Singh study together and help each other.

    There are no Latvians on Prabh's friend list.

    Prabh's daily life is not that exciting - university, work, home. Prabh earns his living himself; however, he doesn't have too many job opportunities. Even a janitor's job demands knowledge of Latvian. He had learned a little Latvian in the beginning but there had been no chance to practice it. Prabh worked at Pakistānas kebabs before, but the salary had been meager. He now works at Wolt.

    When asked how he feels in Latvia, Prabh's reply is not too positive. "I can say I like to start my day off on a good note.

    But during the day, at least once or twice, I encounter racism problems, hatred, something like that."

    This attitude is one of the reasons Prabh doesn't live a very loud life but accepts the university, work, home pattern.

    He said attitudes were different - some are kind, but there had been an incident when a lady hadn't let him into the staircase saying "F*ck off, black people!"

    "At that point my heart was broken, I thought I was going to cry or something. She was old, I couldn't say anything to her. I called the customer and said, could you come downstairs because I can't get in. And he told her to move and said, don't worry, calm down..." said Prabh.

    Mr Singh and Abi
    Prabh's friend Mr Singh works at a different delivery service, Bolt. He wears a turban and tries not to notice the looks he gets.

    "People mostly think I'm an alien from a different planet. At least I feel that sometimes.

    But it is normal, because I have seen that people in Latvia know nothing about other cultures.

    So I am getting used to it. Sometimes people ask to take photos with me," said Mr Singh.

    Another friend, Abi, studies programming in Jelgava. He is not looking for a job because he works for technology companies remotely. He says that the Indian student situation in Latvia is made worse by "jumping" - people obtain a visa to go somewhere else to work. He says around 40% people might be like this.

    Will the students stay?
    Asked whether the students think of staying in Latvia, whether they would learn Latvian and integrate into the job market, Prabh says a definite no. He doesn't think Latvia is friendly and has broader plans. Abi doesn't know yet - it depends on the job opportunities. He thinks it is possible to live without the knowledge of Latvian.

    "Actually many companies in Latvia employ foreigners, language is not a barrier. The barrier is your skill. If you have skills, you will get the job. Even here. Skills, of course, can also include the language skill," said Abi.

    Mr Singh says he would like to stay in Latvia.

    "Many people say, you study business, how will you get a job? I say, I will try anyway. But after I get a degree, if I get a job, I would like to stay here."

    Latvia has no policy for keeping foreign students
    How many foreign students are left to work in Latvia after studying? No one knows that, there are no statistics. Latvia also has no policy in this area. There is no comprehensive plan, there is no contribution to the economy, but the Ministry of Education (IZM) intends to take action.

    "We have entered into preliminary talks with the Ministry of Economy. I can't say the exact date now, but it's really the sort of job meetings where these things are going to be discussed. Because, if we look in the context of other countries, it is an absolutely acceptable and common practice that countries attract skilled labor," said Dace Jansone, deputy director of IZM's Department of Higher Education, Science and Innovation.

    At the moment, every institution of higher education is doing what and how it wants.

    “What we have found is that not all universities have an established foreign student-supportive and inclusive study and social environment. It must be said here that the Latvian society is, as such, lacking tolerance for foreigners. Which is also one of the influencing factors. And it also appears in various types of polls, where foreign students indicate that they would not recommend going to Latvia to study, precisely because of these integration mechanisms and the general attitudes of society,” said Jansone.

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  841. @LatW
    @AP

    Well, nudity in a women's only sauna is not a big deal, and in Europe in general it is more lax that way. But not in front of the kids. Or men.

    However, Czech women often take things too far. Nothing against beautiful women, just maybe they need a little more self-respect?

    Judging from Beckow's ranting, one can assume that they choose to pimp out their women to all kinds of foreigners as a means of survival. I guess, one can call that "soft power" (kinda pathetic, if not sad, actually).

    And, no, a translation is not needed, as anyone who speaks a Slavic language, can easily understand it ("the giver of pleasure or delight").

    Replies: @AP, @silviosilver, @Mr. XYZ

    Well, nudity in a women’s only sauna is not a big deal,

    What about the lesbian perverts? Or are there too few of those who are born female?

    You might be interested in this article:

    https://reduxx.info/japanese-transgender-youtuber-sparks-outcry-after-entering-womens-bath-house/

    Of course, that involved a trans lesbian pervert, not a cis lesbian pervert.

    • LOL: LatW, Mr. Hack
  842. Sher Singh says:

    On the Battle of Amritsar, Diwali 1762

    October 17, 1762: A total solar eclipse passed over northern India on Diwali. Ganda Singh, citing various sources, claims it lasted 18 gharis— over seven hours.

    It was ‘in the grey light of a sun in total eclipse’ that the Sikhs and the arriving Afghans fought the Battle of Amritsar

    One must remember that barely a few months had passed since the Afghan forces, led by Ahmad Shah Abdali, had perpetrated upon the Sikhs the Vadda Ghallughara, the Great Holocaust. Having suffered the cruel, indiscriminate massacre of tens of thousands of unarmed children, women and men, the Sikhs had, in less than a year, consolidated their strength and congregated in Amritsar: about sixty thousand ‘horse and foot strong,’ armed, vengeful, and tyar-bar-tyar.

    In February of 1762, the Sikhs had been nearly wiped out of existence. A Singh who had survived the massacres, his leg amputated, stood among the dead bodies and uttered a prayer of thanks to Maharaj: ਤੱਤ ਖਾਲਸੋ ਸੋ ਰਹਯੋ ਗਯੋ ਸੁ ਖੋਟ ਗਵਾਇ।– Now the pure Khalsa survives, the unripe have been discarded.

    Extant manuscripts of Rattan Singh Bhangu’s Sri Gur Panth Prakash give a glimpse of the orgiastic, bloody rituals that the Singhs relied on to prepare for battle.

    ਆਨ ਸਮਗ੍ਰੀ ਇਕ ਥਾਂ ਧਰੀ। ਬਿਧ ਹੋਮ ਬਨਾਈ। ਕੀਯੋ ਕੁੰਡ ਮਧ ਅਗਨ ਜਗਾਈ। ਪੜਿ ਪੜਿ ਚੰਡੀ ਆਹੁਤਿ ਪਾਯੋ। ਪੂਰਨ ਆਹੁਤ ਵੇਲੇ ਆਯੋ॥੧੫॥— All the paraphernalia was heaped together, the hom1 was prepared. Fire was kindled in the altar; reciting scripture, Chandi was evoked. The moment of oblation approached.

    ਵਹੀ ਮਹਿਖਨ ਲਾਇ ਕੈਦੀ ਕੋ ਸੰਧੂਰ ਲਗਾਇ। ਦੁਇ ਵਲ ਹੋਏ ਸਿੰਘ ਖੜ ਖੰਡੇ ਸੂਤ ਕਰਵਾਇ॥੧੬॥— A bull was brought and anointed with sindoor2. Two Singhs stood on either side of the beast with khandas3 unsheathed.

    ਜਬੈ ਕਾਰਿਕ ਹੋਮ ਆਗਿਆ ਦਈ। ਸਿੰਘਨ ਖੰਡੇ ਲਾਏ ਧਈ। ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮ ਇਕ ਸਿੰਘ ਖੰਡੋ ਚਲਾਯੋ। ਉਸੀ ਠੋਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੂਏ ਲਾਯੋ॥੧੭॥— When the fire officiant permitted, the Singhs swung the khandas. First a Singh struck the bull with his khanda; immediately, the second too swung his blade.

    ਮੀਸ ਦੀਯੋ ਉਨਿ ਖੂਬ ਉਤਾਰਿ। ਪਰਿਯੋ ਜਾਇ ਸੋਊ ਕੁੰਡ ਮਝਾਰਿ। ਜੈ ਜੈ ਕਾਰ ਸਬ ਪੰਥਿ ਉਚਾਰਯੋ।— The head had been severed magnificently; it went tumbling into the fire-altar. With jubilant battle cries the whole Panth resounded.

    https://khalsachronicle.substack.com/p/on-the-battle-of-amritsar-diwali

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    Rituals and ceremonies are but technologies to bring-forth, harness, consolidate and reinforce particular aesthetic, social, psychological patterns. Here one finds the Singhs making use of the Devi complex at its most practicable: the mythic association of the bull (ਮਹਿਖਨ— mahikhan) with the buffalo demon Mahishasura, the khanda as a form of the Devi; the slaying as a transaction within the sacrificial economy of the Devi (an economy of bloodshed, death and sacrifice, literal and metaphysical, all governed by bliss and beatitude: ਭਿਰੇ ਸਾਮੁਹੇ ਮੋਖ ਦਾਤੀ ਅਭੰਗੀ ॥—He who falls before you is granted salvation, O unbreakable one), as well as a ritual re-presenting of Chandi’s mythic defeat of Mahishasura. Chandi, astride a lion, repeated the primordial contest between the lion and the bull (cf. Theseus and the minotaur, Mithra and the bull, Gilgamesh and the Bull of Heaven).

    One may stretch this set of associations further and recall the Near Eastern goddesses Innana and Ishtar, whom Parpola associated with Roman tutelary goddesses. Commenting on the three ballads of Chandi in the Dasam scriptures, Rinehart likewise suggests that the figures of Indra and the gods, their celestial kingdom besieged by demons, resonates with the position of the Guru and his Singhs in Anandpur, surrounded by the Mughals and their vassals: Chandi, who saved the gods, similarly protects the Singhs (among the many poetic names the Sikhs assign to the kirpan: Bhagauti).

    — — –

    It is within this conceptual space that we now place the Singhs on the eve of Diwali. The primordial impulse of what Heesterman terms ‘the heady excitement and terror of sacrifice’ had reached its dissipation, and they stood ecstatic and berserk, having sought and won the protection of the cosmic spirit of war, the very force that the Guru had once stirred into the iron vessel as he birthed the Khalsa. Chandi had mounted her vehicle of the lion (ਸਿੰਘ—Singh). The Devi’s wrath was reinvigorated in the Khalsa’s veins.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Thanks: LatW
  843. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    "The war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan’s advantage." - The Emperor Hirohito after, within 4 days, Japan suffered the US atomic bombing of Hiroshima, the Soviet invasion and crushing of the Japanese Army in Manchuria, and the US atomic bombing of Nagasaki.


    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1274603988646653955

    Replies: @Greasy William

    “The war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan’s advantage.”

    I still think the Japanese threw in the towel too early

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Greasy William



    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRxeUF9p4m1Ec9-Zoy_j-OiiJsP-sXfDCgBQg&usqp.jpg

    Replies: @QCIC

  844. @Europe Europa
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12751987/On-day-1944-genocidal-Winston-Churchill-refused-ceasefire-Nazi-Germany-Satirical-Israeli-TV-takes-swipe-BBCs-war-coverage-mock-WWII-report.html

    Israeli TV accuses Churchill of genociding Germans. I mean, really? Israel of all nations making accusations like this. They have a nerve alright. We are truly in clown world now, that's for sure.

    Replies: @A123, @Dmitry

    It’s not attacking Churchill, it’s saying if the BBC has used the same standards of judgement in relation to Israel, with the Second World War, they would say Churchill was genocidal.

    It’s at 3:00.

    They are “Eretz Nehederet”. In the peacetime it’s usually a more or rebellious/liberal show and they had some good satires of Israeli society many years ago.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    They are “Eretz Nehederet”. In the peacetime it’s usually a more or rebellious/liberal show and they had some good satires of Israeli society many years ago.

     

    Afamous one
    https://web.archive.org/web/20211206173428/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9Sdkps0Quo
  845. @Dmitry
    @Europe Europa

    It's not attacking Churchill, it's saying if the BBC has used the same standards of judgement in relation to Israel, with the Second World War, they would say Churchill was genocidal.

    It's at 3:00.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDIupxVmnLo


    They are "Eretz Nehederet". In the peacetime it's usually a more or rebellious/liberal show and they had some good satires of Israeli society many years ago.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    They are “Eretz Nehederet”. In the peacetime it’s usually a more or rebellious/liberal show and they had some good satires of Israeli society many years ago.

    Afamous one
    https://web.archive.org/web/20211206173428/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9Sdkps0Quo

  846. @Mr. XYZ
    https://vdare.com/posts/chutzpah-on-steroids-two-israelis-want-the-west-to-import-gaza-victims-commenters-fume

    The two Israeli Jewish politicians who wrote that article (not the VDARE one, but the Wall Street Journal one mentioned over at VDARE) are dumb as fuck. This article feeds into the narrative that Jews want closed borders for Israel* but open borders for the West. Also, if Arab countries themselves are unwilling to accept Palestinian refugees (and certainly not in huge numbers!) in spite of the much greater cultural compatibility** between them and Palestinian refugees, what exactly does that say about the West's ability to integrate Palestinian refugees, other than perhaps their cognitive elites?

    *There would likely be a couple million Third Worlders who would be willing to convert to Judaism and subsequently move to Israel if they were actually given the chance to do so. But they aren't!

    **The cultural gap between Gulf Arabs and Levantines might have been significant in 600 AD. I doubt that it is anywhere near as significant right now.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    If he wrote a liberal article, that is the opposite, it looks like a sign Israel’s government might not be stupid as Moscow.

    Israel’s government should try to be nonaligned with Western far-right way of speaking, if you attract far-right support it will be a fast way to receive international sanctions. * Diplomatically strong position if you had annoyed far-right groups, than if those people are supporting you.

    That was one of Putin’s voluntary failures. Part of the marketing budget was for Russia was to the far-right and this has allowed the unemotional use of the sanctions against Russia, as they viewed sanctioning Russia as partly an internal police against the far-right or also extreme left.

    It’s not mysterious why they were going to market for the marginal sides of the political spectrum, it’s inherited from Soviet textbooks. Putin studied for years in the “Academy of external intelligence” before he has worked in German Democratic Republic. But it’s an example where you can only be this stupid by education or the expired education.

    Worse thing, is how Putin allows Russia to be presented as anti-LGBT in the international media at the time that was becoming more fashionable, even though reality of the culture is relatively liberal, especially Russia is natively socially liberal, although politically conservative.

    One of the most important support for Israel was the center-left, which you see now with Biden. The problem for Israel, those center-left groups which supported Israel are over about 50-60 years old. While the younger left has views more like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

    Center-right supports Israel in part of the West and with conditions. Those kind of politicians like Ursula von der Leyen are liberal people.

    The Wall Street Journal is a prestigious center, “neoliberal” part of the Murdoch’s media. So, that is the kind of newpaper they should write in.

    Israeli politicians should write a lot of liberal articles also in New York Times, Economist, Le Monde – prestigious newspapers which they are alienated in and not popular.

    Fox News, New York Post and Daily Mail would support them anyway.

    *I know nobody sanctions Hungary, even though Orban is popular with Tucker Carlson. But if Hungary with Orban was in a war with the Muslim world, while not a member of the EU and NATO? With their unpopularity, they would be sanctioned rapidly.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
  847. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Dmitry

    I would make this classification:

    1. Reflect and expiate at a proper level for past sins; but not excessively so that you are exposed to moral blackmail

    2. Reflect and expiate excessively for past sins; so that you not only you are exposed to moral blackmail, your existence may be threatened either by hostile foreigners or internal extremists

    3. Reflect and expiate very little for past sins. Just be based.

    Type 1-- I think applies to Japan, and maybe Russia

    Type 2-- I think you know who that applies to. The Japanese call this 自虐史観じぎゃくしかん Jigyaku shikan “masochistic view of history”, the historical view that emphasizes the negative aspects of one's history,

    https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/自虐史観

    Type 3-- Applies to China, who only whines about what other have done to it "Century of Humiliation", never what it has done to others.

    But most the atrocies that Chinese have committed are towards each other, or peoples that have been assimilated, so it's less or an issue.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Dmitry

    This is a bit different topic, although it’s also related to the developed country vs developing country.

    Expiation is also way to say the country has some error correction codes and this is part of the presentation there is a responsible and evolving authority which even victim countries of the past can trust.

    For example, some of the early stages of America’s rule in Philippines was very brutal. But Philippines today trusts America more than China. They accept the America policy in 1899 is not going to be repeated.

    China’s government including expiation less in its imperialism than America, probably partly reducing trust of neighbors. These countries like Kazakhstan where the populations goes more pro-American.

  848. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow

    The rich guys whose wives you doctor may not take it serious but there's a few people who do.

    https://czechhermetics.com/

    Golem of Prague

    https://livingprague.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/prague-golem-old-town-square.jpg

    The people who support the statue are likely not serious. The guy who was the subject of the story? That guy was serious.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …The guy who was the subject of the story? That guy was serious.

    Golem is urban folklore that got blown up in the last few decades for tourism. There are many things like that around the world, the “must see” magical past.

    Church really got into it early with bones, fragments, pieces of cloth made up to attract pilgrims. Today’s mass tourism is not that different. Golem was a fake in the 16th century and is even more of a fake now. Maybe they should move “him” to Vegas or Disneyland…

  849. @Mikel
    @Dmitry


    I don’t think “Americans kill more civilians” because they are a frontier culture.
     
    I wouldn't say that Americans have a higher propensity to kill civilians than others (eg Russians or Ukrainians) in their military operations but, as you say, they carry out many more such operations in the attempt to be the arbiter of all conflicts and the act of killing innocent people in those interventions has become quite normalized. You don't see a lot of guilt in the American society for having killed hundreds of thousands of civilians abroad in the past decades. You hear much more about feelings of guilt for America's past of racial or sexual discrimination, and such leftists talking points.

    But I do think that the frontier culture has a lot to do with the differences I clearly observe between Western Europe and the US. There is a gun culture here that is totally absent in Western Europe and you frequently hear about crimes like shootings and people killing their own families that are extremely rare in Europe (outside of Gypsy communities). This happens even in relatively peaceful places with rather low levels of criminality like Utah. The situation in some enclaves all around the US is of course much worse and could almost be described as a latent armed conflict with thousands of victims every year. It don't think it would be realistic to think that in a country where people are used to live with this reality of so many countrymen dying to violence you can expect the same level of sensibility to innocent people dying abroad as you find in countries where violence is much lower.

    That's in fact what I've observed a couple of times when talking to Americans about foreign armed conflicts. One of them had a lot of trouble understanding why I opposed the armed groups in the Basque Country, even though I did support independence. I guess the Hollywood movie mentality also played a role in this particular instance.


    The comparison would be if you give the same quantity power to the third world countries, the situation would be safer? Would it be the same? More dangerous?
     
    The massacres of the Hutus-Tutsis or the Hamas attacks on October 7th suggest that it would be much worse. But I'm not entirely sure, to be honest. There is a reason why these societies never achieved the same technological and organizational levels and a manifestation of that is low impulse control. These are societies where people live "the moment" much more than in the highly civilized ones. The Hamas terrorists committed unspeakable atrocities but then, past the moment of high emotion, they decided to treat their hostages well (according to some of the latter's own testimony) because "we are Muslims". It doesn't make too much sense. It's not even clear that the October 7th attacks had any concrete goal or that their perpetrators thought too much about what all that violence would lead to.

    In Chile (and likely other Latin American countries) people use a very racist expression for the act of becoming unconscionably violent. It could be loosely translated as "the Indian awoke on him" (se le bajó el indio). A long time ago a Chilean told me that I should stay clear from any of his low-class compatriots where the "Indian had awoken". He would just try to cause me maximum harm and forget about all consequences to himself. He wouldn't even care if he ended up killed. It wasn't easy to imagine such a behavior but yes, as I found out later in a couple of occasions, this is exactly how they sometimes behave, even though most of the time they could even look like normal, good-natured people. The idea that all human groups have similar behavioral patterns doesn't resist contact with reality.

    So perhaps what we would see in Third World societies with fire power comparable to the First World ones is bouts of extreme violence followed by periods of more moderation. It's not like people in 3rd World countries are killing each other non-stop. They have their own religious and social mechanisms of violence control. And it's not like there aren't plenty of 3rd World countries with very powerful armed forces. However, with the lack of information that, as you say, we have about many of their conflicts, it would appear that the methodical, elaborate course of action of civilized countries once they decide to lose their moral constraints may ultimately lead to a higher count of innocent victims.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    lack of information that, as you say, we have about many of their conflicts

    I would say there is not an interest of the media to report them. Most of the deaths are in the wars of the developing countries, just normal people who are not nerds don’t read about them.

    If you look at the numbers of civilians killed in the developing countries’ wars, they are higher anyone has been killed directly by the American military since Vietnam, which is 50 years ago now, almost a different epoch

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigray_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur_genocide
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Civil_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemeni_civil_war_(2014%E2%80%93present)

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Dmitry


    If you look at the numbers of civilians killed in the developing countries’ wars, they are higher anyone has been killed directly by the American military since Vietnam
     
    As I said, I'm not sure what to think about this but, even though the estimates are very disparate, only in Iraq more people seem to have been killed since the 2003 invasion than in some of the examples you put:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

    I guess many of those deaths were not directly caused by the US armed forces but if we put together all the civilian deaths caused directly by the US in its "War on terror" (which I'm not sure has finished yet) it is probably comparable to some of your examples.
  850. @Greasy William
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere


    “The war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan’s advantage.”
     
    I still think the Japanese threw in the towel too early

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    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Ladyboy?

  851. @AP
    @Beckow


    Ukraine has not wasted those troops and equipment but has held them back for a later time…

    Are you claiming that no troops were lost in the offensive? US-UK say officially that 70k Ukie soldiers died
     
    Don’t lie. The 70k refers to the entire war, not to the paused (?) offensive.

    If nothing was achieved, by definition they were wasted
     
    They took a few villages and learned that it would be better to wait and attrite.

    even Germany ended WW2 with millions of soldiers still alive

     

    It didn’t end the war with more soldiers who were better equipped than when it started.

    Another attempt along the same lines is even less likely to succeed
     
    Not if Russian troops, logistics, and equipment are further degraded at a rate that is faster than replacement, while Ukraine gets better weapons.

    If no NATO, then nukes with long range missiles.

    There is zero chance Kiev will get nukes – not only Russia wouldn’t allow it, but also US and EU
     
    Ukraine probably has dirty bombs now, it can play dirty too if it needs to. It would be trivial for Ukraine to do what North Korea or Pakistan have done. It might even share nukes with Poland, Poles explicitly say that Ukraine should have its own nukes.

    You keep saying that the USA uses Ukraine to hurt Russia but you think the USA would mind if a Ukraine unconnected to America via NATO had its own nukes pointed at Moscow?

    no Nato. Based on that EU will not want them

    No reason to assume that.


    It is an assumption based on how EU expansion has worked in Eastern Europe: first Nato, then EU
     
    No reason to assume that Ukraine would not be granted the Finland or Austria solutions of neutrality with respect to NATO, but also EU.

    But perhaps nukes could be a bargaining chip for EU membership.

    French language policy is in 2023, it didn’t end in 1850.

    It originated in the 19th century, that was my point. You can’t do it today – it is against all EU principles for minorities
     
    France does it today. So do the Baltics. What EU principles if second largest EU member does it?

    The fact that evil Russians are the target make it even more palatable to the EU.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @QCIC

    …The fact that evil Russians are the target make it even more palatable to the EU.

    The fact that you write something so stupid is the real issue. But have at it while you can, I can already see the decades of awkward apologia in the future. If we make it that far…

    There will not be nukes in Ukraine. If they get (and use) a dirty bomb they will become a bigger Chernobyl. You know that, so stop hallucinating. And EU-US will not support Kiev getting nukes – they are pretty stupid, but not mad. Yet.

    Ukraine would not be granted the Finland or Austria solutions of neutrality with respect to NATO, but also EU.

    Not after Finland made its military alliance official…:) Many things were possible before 2022 or 2014. But today the only way to get there is for Kiev to win the war – and decisively. Since no rational observer thinks that is possible, these are only empty dreams by the losing side that over-reached.

    The Kiev offensive was nat a “pause”, it failed. The losses were huge – you argue that not “70k”, well so how many? 30k? 50k? or maybe only 10k? Was that worth it?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    …The fact that evil Russians are the target make it even more palatable to the EU.

    The fact that you write something so stupid is the real issue
     
    You disagree that the EU doesn't care about ethnic Russians and that the EU looks the other way in the Baltics?

    How stupid are you?

    And I suspect you were writing something different before. Were you lying then, or lying now?

    There will not be nukes in Ukraine.
     
    Kind of like none in Israel, Pakistan or North Korea.

    Ukraine will see to its own security. If it doesn't get it through NATO membership it will get its own deterrent. And it will be easy for Ukraine to do - Ukraine has plenty of nuclear material, scientists, and is motivated to defend itself. It won't have to tell anyone until it is too late.

    If they get (and use) a dirty bomb they will become a bigger Chernobyl
     
    Ukraine has the expertise not only for a dirty bomb but for a small bomb with an actual nuclear reaction.

    It may have one now, but if not it can be created fairly quickly.

    But most likely it will mount a small bomb on a missile. Maybe even a drone - technology moves fast.

    And EU-US will not support Kiev getting nukes
     
    Poland and the Baltics support Ukraine having nukes. They will look the other way. Ukraine would be happy for other security guarantees such as NATO membership, would even prefer them, but will do what it has to do to protect itself. You are kidding yourself if you think Ukraine will allow itself to be exposed again.

    Ukraine would not be granted the Finland or Austria solutions of neutrality with respect to NATO, but also EU.

    Not after Finland made its military alliance official…:)
     
    Wishful thinking by you.

    The Kiev offensive was nat a “pause”, it failed.
     
    This cannot be determined for another year. So far, it is paused. It was started, and stopped when the Ukrainians realized the mine fields and trenches were too extensive. It was stopped before the Ukrainian lost many soldiers or much equipment.

    The losses were huge – you argue that not “70k”
     
    I don't argue anything.

    You lied when you wrote:

    "Are you claiming that no troops were lost in the offensive? US-UK say officially that 70k Ukie soldiers died."

    US-UK officials officially say that 70k Ukrainians have died in the entire war.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-war-estimated-casualties-1.6940723

    Russia's military casualties are approaching 300,000, including as many as 120,000 deaths and 170,000 to 180,000 injuries, the newspaper reported. Ukrainian deaths were close to 70,000, with 100,000 to 120,000 wounded, it added.

    You lied and claimed that they said this about the southern offensive.

    If you were winning any arguments, you wouldn't have to resort to lying.

    Why so desperate, Beckow?

    ell so how many? 30k? 50k? or maybe only 10k? Was that worth it?
     
    I don't know. Probably lower than any of the numbers you posted.

    It is worth trying to liberate 100,000s of one's own citizens.

    You wouldn't understand that.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Beckow

  852. The Germans are good people.

    The GDR poured its money into Vietnam’s coffee plantations and related logistics in the 1980s to respond to its own “decaffeination crisis” in the late 70s. The GDR had its own “friend-shoring” or rather “comrade-shoring” back then. It was a global story. In 1975, Brazil had an unexpected frost in its coffee producing regions that destroyed roughly half of its coffee trees. This led to significant shortages for the following two years that sent coffee bean prices soaring.

    A “decaffeination crisis” was inevitable in the GDR, a major importer. Coffee was unique in the GDR’s culture. It was a symbol of comfort and affordable luxury for the East German households and also a way to boost productivity from the SED’s perspective. The coffee became so integral to the GDR’s social fabric in the 1970s that its unavailability became a serious concern for the country’s leadership. As the situation became acute in 1977-78, the GDR leadership began to scramble for alternative supplies.

    Initially, the GDR tried to enter into a barter arrangement with Ethiopia, exchanging its weapons and machinery for the latter’s coffee beans. But it was not sustainable. Ethiopia hoped to sell coffee to the global market for convertible currencies. So the GDR came up with a long-term solution: boosting coffee production in another communist country, Vietnam, that had a perfect climate for it. The French cultivated coffee in the 1920s, but many plantations had been abandoned by the 1970s.

    The GDR pledged money (USD 20 mil), equipment, and training to revive the old coffee (previously French run) plantations in Đắk Lắk province, and Vietnam in return pledged to share 50% of the province’s coffee production with the GDR for 20 years. After some teething issues between 1980 and 1986, Vietnam’s coffee industry began to take off with the initial focus on robusta segment. Ironically, the GDR, after doing so much to secure alternative coffee supplies from Vietnam, collapsed at the end of the decade.

    The revived plantations in the mountainous Đắk Lắk province became the seedling for Vietnam’s remarkable rise as a coffee powerhouse in the following decades.

    Vietnam is the world’s #2 coffee producer, and its gains in market share has been astonishing. In 1980, Vietnam’s green (unroasted) coffee production was just 0.8% of Brazil’s and 0.2% of the world’s. In 2021, the figures were 62% and 19% respectively.

    • Thanks: Sher Singh
  853. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    No, they didn’t. You simply made it up. The Newsweek article you linked is from February 2022 and it only says that Russia is willing to negotiate. Nothing about “current lines”.

    Of course he means current lines. What are you going to argue? He is willing to negotiate as long as he gets the entire country? That isn't negotiating.

    Anyways it is right here:
    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-shoigu-beijing-ukraine-peace-talks-1839149
    The Kremlin has specified a few conditions that are non-negotiable for Russia, including that Ukraine must accept the September 2022 annexation of four of its regions—Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia—following referendums called by Putin that were deemed illegal by the international community.

    I guess I have to do your Googling for you since you only pretend to read the news.

    Putin doesn't care about marching on Kiev. Yes that means all the pro-Putin military analysts were wrong. Deal with it.

    Stop with dismissing all data by saying “they lie”. It is pointless, who lies? Why would they lie about something so verifiable?

    The actual inflation rate isn't verifiable by Western economists. That is why they are currently debating it.

    Putin has zero credibility at this point. Did you forget about how he claimed it was a military exercise and that they would never attack?

    Russia has been lying about the capabilities of its military. They wouldn't be conscripting if they had the number of active duty they claimed in 2021. They also lied about their T-90 and T-14 stocks. It's actually possible that no one in the Russian military actually knows their true capabilities. This what happens in a country that is plagued by corruption. No one knows what is actually built or sold. Orders are fudged and payoffs are made. They didn't even have enough boots or coats in the previous winter which shows they are a nation built on lies. Even Stalin made sure his troops had enough boots and wool coats. Heck they didn't even have enough medic packs. Conscripts were filmed on hidden video being told to find tampons for bullet wounds.

    But it isn’t: food and energy prices in Russia are actually down. You seem to know nothing about how it works.

    That's false. Russia has record inflation and food prices are up
    https://www.moscowtimes.ru/2023/11/13/tseni-rastut-frontalno-inflyatsiya-vrossii-ustanovila-novii-rekord-a113037

    Why do you think Russia raised interest rates 4 times this year? To throw off the West?

    You're not even bother to Google "Russia inflation" in the news to see what Russia actually claims. Maybe give it a try:
    https://news.google.com/search?q=russia+inflation

    I don’t know what “marzella.io” is, but in my circles cargo cult is well understood as what Papua natives did in WW2: cargo was dropped accidentally by the US planes, they came to expect it without understanding how it was produced.

    It was dropped accidentally but they didn't understand planes or why cargo would fall from the sky. They tried to duplicate the original environment to bring back the cargo without understanding why it was dropped in the first place. Cargo cult mentality describes applying a percieved model or theory without understanding the underlying process behind the desired result.
    https://themindcollection.com/cargo-cults/

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Beckow

    Of course he means current lines. What are you going to argue?

    But he didn’t say it. Russia claims Crimea+4 oblasts – the current lines don’t match it. Russia also insists on “security”, the frozen lines would not provide security for either side.

    There is no indication that Russia ever wanted to occupy all of Ukraine – they never said it and never used forces big enough to accomplish it. They called the damn thing “SMO” and not a “war” so it would be clear to everyone. (I think that was pointless, it is a war.)

    You are doing the usual losers’ game: “but they wanted everything, and look they only got some of it – so we win!“…it is kind of sad and it only enhances the loss. Deal with reality and not with what you imagine – or what “someone said”, why does that matter? Who the hell is Ritter? Russia clearly only wants a neutral, non-threatening Ukraine, and the Russian areas for itself. They don’t want to run streetcars in Kiev or Lviv. Who would be that stupid?

    The actual inflation rate isn’t verifiable by Western economists. That is why they are currently debating it.

    Sure, within reason…a few % points up (or down), similar to the West. Or do you actually believe that US inflation is 3%? But it is not 50% as that wacko Philip Owen claims – he is probably bitter about Russia because Russia kicked him out or he lost money, so he has an agenda. To argue with “some people say prices are going up” is meaningless.

    You are now are put your bet on Russian “inflation”. That shows desperation. What if it doesn’t happen? What if it does and changes nothing? Maybe you can dig up comrade “Prigozhin” and see if he can march again…or send that Armenian chess-master to be a “president”. You are running out of even crazy options.

    Or you can wake up and accept that a deal that meets Russian goals at least in some way will be necessary to end it.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    Of course he means current lines. What are you going to argue?
     
    But he didn’t say it. Russia claims Crimea+4 oblasts – the current lines don’t match it. Russia also insists on “security”, the frozen lines would not provide security for either side.

    The current lines are close enough to what he wants.

    He is clearly signaling to walk with what they have.

    Yes I know you dream of Russians marching on Kiev and gunning down the last resistors but that isn't going to happen. The real world can see that Putin is willing to walk with the current lines.

    Looks like Russian support for the war has dropped:
    https://www.newsweek.com/majority-russians-want-end-ukraine-war-poll-levada-1839830

    There is no indication that Russia ever wanted to occupy all of Ukraine – they never said it and never used forces big enough to accomplish it.

    They didn't send enough forces because Putin thought Ukraine would quickly collapse. Leaked plans show a 2.5 week war.

    When you send a 40 mile column at the capital and put a bounty on the president's head that isn't an attempt at negotiating.

    Are you going to go on record and claim the leaked invasion plan is fake?
    https://www.newsweek.com/leaked-invasion-plan-reveals-4-assumptions-putin-regime-wrong-1764309

    Who the hell is Ritter?

    Scott Ritter. You have referenced him in the past. It's in your history.

    Russia clearly only wants a neutral, non-threatening Ukraine, and the Russian areas for itself. They don’t want to run streetcars in Kiev or Lviv. Who would be that stupid?

    Then why didn't they make such a demand before invading?

    Russia plans on absorbing Belarus by 2030
    https://www.dw.com/en/russia-plans-belarus-absorption-by-2030-media-reports/a-64771429

    But you maintain that Putin had no plans to add Ukraine to the Russian empire? Just Belarus? Is that right? Or is that leaked plan also false? Why are there so many leaked plans that involve Putin acting aggressively? It's just a coincidence that he stated the great Tsars were conquerors and that it was a shame the USSR collapsed? You are certain he isn't trying to expand the empire?

    You are now are put your bet on Russian “inflation”. That shows desperation. What if it doesn’t happen?

    How am I putting my bet on Russian inflation when I've stated that Putin can walk with Donbas? I've never once stated that Ukraine will absolutely win all of their territory. In fact I said that trying to get all of Crimea is overly ambitious. I said we don't know the actual state of the Russian economy and they are most likely lying. A Ruble crash is always possible which could affect the outcome of the war. Putin could also be under economic pressure to end the war. The belief that Russia can play a long game is unsubstantiated. Inflation could be much higher than they are telling us.

    Maybe you can dig up comrade “Prigozhin” and see if he can march again

    Amusing when the pro-Putin experts like Ritter and MacGregor all said Prigozhin was nothing to worry about. Putin has everything under control. No reason to worry about a corrupt chef turned private warlord who is making threats. Nothing to worry about. Putin knows what he is doing. Same for the economy, right?

    If you want I can provide the video where Scott Ritter rants about Prigozhin is under control and anyone who says otherwise doesn't know Wagner.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Mikhail
    @Beckow


    You are now are put your bet on Russian “inflation”. That shows desperation. What if it doesn’t happen? What if it does and changes nothing? Maybe you can dig up comrade “Prigozhin” and see if he can march again…or send that Armenian chess-master to be a “president”. You are running out of even crazy options.
     
    He stays away from facts like IMF reports indicating the Russian economy has done better than German's and the UK since 2/24/22. It's not like the situation in the US has noticeably improved within that time frame.

    https://www.rt.com/business/587320-pentagon-buying-russian-oil/

    https://www.rt.com/business/587339-eu-russia-economic-growth-forecast/

    Replies: @Beckow, @John Johnson, @AP

  854. @LatW
    I really wonder if those liberal, academic, Marxist and communist Jews (such as BAP's grandpa and others in the Western academia and the political class), when they were promoting multi-culturalism, did they ever imagine that their designs would lead to a leftist-Islamic alliance which has essentially turned into an explosive anti-Semitic brew...

    Replies: @Coconuts

    I really wonder if those liberal, academic, Marxist and communist Jews (such as BAP’s grandpa and others in the Western academia and the political class), when they were promoting multi-culturalism, did they ever imagine that their designs would lead to a leftist-Islamic alliance which has essentially turned into an explosive anti-Semitic brew…

    The Iranian revolution should have given some hints?

    Revisionist Marxists like Sorel writing early in the 20th century were already saying that Marxism is best understood as a non-rational political myth or vision that should be pursued mainly by force of will, so integrating elements of nationalism and religion into it is not a problem.

    Then multi-culturalism, it can involve the majority culture withdrawing in the face of minority ethnic cultures (these might be more assertive or robust) so reverse integration happens where these cultures draw in and start to influence people from the majority, progressive academics may have supported this as revolutionary forces leading social change. Many ethnic minorities lack the reverential attitude to the Holocaust that started to appear in Anglo and other NW Euro countries after the 1980s.

    You could also see BAP and some of the other characters like Papacito in France (Papacito’s parents were activists in the PCF) as inspired by the left-wing counter culture, there was still some virile and individualistic ‘punk’ attitude in it that doesn’t fit with the Feminism and safetyism aspects of it that are now closer to the forefront.

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Coconuts

    Did you watch the video attached to the tweet?


    https://twitter.com/breakingbaht/status/1724892505647296620

    https://twitter.com/CWBOCA/status/1724868476861301153

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1724908287471272299

  855. @AP
    @Beckow


    Ukraine has not wasted those troops and equipment but has held them back for a later time…

    Are you claiming that no troops were lost in the offensive? US-UK say officially that 70k Ukie soldiers died
     
    Don’t lie. The 70k refers to the entire war, not to the paused (?) offensive.

    If nothing was achieved, by definition they were wasted
     
    They took a few villages and learned that it would be better to wait and attrite.

    even Germany ended WW2 with millions of soldiers still alive

     

    It didn’t end the war with more soldiers who were better equipped than when it started.

    Another attempt along the same lines is even less likely to succeed
     
    Not if Russian troops, logistics, and equipment are further degraded at a rate that is faster than replacement, while Ukraine gets better weapons.

    If no NATO, then nukes with long range missiles.

    There is zero chance Kiev will get nukes – not only Russia wouldn’t allow it, but also US and EU
     
    Ukraine probably has dirty bombs now, it can play dirty too if it needs to. It would be trivial for Ukraine to do what North Korea or Pakistan have done. It might even share nukes with Poland, Poles explicitly say that Ukraine should have its own nukes.

    You keep saying that the USA uses Ukraine to hurt Russia but you think the USA would mind if a Ukraine unconnected to America via NATO had its own nukes pointed at Moscow?

    no Nato. Based on that EU will not want them

    No reason to assume that.


    It is an assumption based on how EU expansion has worked in Eastern Europe: first Nato, then EU
     
    No reason to assume that Ukraine would not be granted the Finland or Austria solutions of neutrality with respect to NATO, but also EU.

    But perhaps nukes could be a bargaining chip for EU membership.

    French language policy is in 2023, it didn’t end in 1850.

    It originated in the 19th century, that was my point. You can’t do it today – it is against all EU principles for minorities
     
    France does it today. So do the Baltics. What EU principles if second largest EU member does it?

    The fact that evil Russians are the target make it even more palatable to the EU.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @QCIC

    Most Ukrainians who can make a nuclear weapon probably left a long time ago. In fact some may have helped North Korea (with rockets, too). Ukraine could have made a dirty bomb since the beginning and with Chernobyl might be the least likely to do this.

    Since you want to kill a bunch of Russians and apparently also get most Ukrainians killed in the process, what is the latest on US-funded bioweapons laboratories in Ukraine?

    • Troll: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @AP
    @QCIC


    Most Ukrainians who can make a nuclear weapon probably left a long time ago.
     
    You mean the ones who are still designing and improving Ukrainian missiles and making new Ukrainian drones? The ones running Ukraine's several nuclear power plants?

    Since you want to kill a bunch of Russians
     
    I do not. I understand that you have filled your head with all sorts of fantasies - of biolabs, of Russia being the victim rather than the aggressor - but please leave me out of them. You are a rather bloodthirsty creature.

    Replies: @QCIC

  856. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Greasy William



    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRxeUF9p4m1Ec9-Zoy_j-OiiJsP-sXfDCgBQg&usqp.jpg

    Replies: @QCIC

    Ladyboy?

  857. @Sher Singh
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Western Front WW1.

    Belgian kids used to dress up as Sikhs to taunt German troops.
    Black Lions is what the Germans called them.


    "And I don’t get what is up with your exquisite attitude about the kirpan, when plenty of White guys own firearms."

    https://fox40.com/news/local-news/sikh-man-wants-legal-access-to-assault-weapons/

    Yes, especially White Sikhs.

    https://nitter.net/arya_amsha/status/1607095249268273154#m
    https://www.instagram.com/p/CzQi4OCsMiT/

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    [MORE]

    Almost a third of all foreign students in Latvia come from India, around 5,000 students.

    Prabh’s story
    Prabh from India studies at Latvia University of Life Sciences and Technologies (LLU) in Jelgava. He chose Latvia because studies are much cheaper than they are in India.

    Prabh is a third-year student of business economics. He came to Latvia in February 2018.

    “When I landed at the airport, it was very tough for me. Because it was the first time so far away from home.

    I had watched YouTube videos before. My mom had advised me to write to the university so they help me get a taxi. I did it, and a man awaited me at the airport. He took me to the hostel,”

    Prabh comes from Punjab, where sikhism is popular. Those belonging to this religion do not cut their hair and wear a turban. Prabh does not wear a turban as he feels he would draw too much attention. His friend, Mr Singh, does wear one. Prabh and Mr Singh study together and help each other.

    There are no Latvians on Prabh’s friend list.

    Prabh’s daily life is not that exciting – university, work, home. Prabh earns his living himself; however, he doesn’t have too many job opportunities. Even a janitor’s job demands knowledge of Latvian. He had learned a little Latvian in the beginning but there had been no chance to practice it. Prabh worked at Pakistānas kebabs before, but the salary had been meager. He now works at Wolt.

    When asked how he feels in Latvia, Prabh’s reply is not too positive. “I can say I like to start my day off on a good note.

    But during the day, at least once or twice, I encounter racism problems, hatred, something like that.”

    This attitude is one of the reasons Prabh doesn’t live a very loud life but accepts the university, work, home pattern.

    He said attitudes were different – some are kind, but there had been an incident when a lady hadn’t let him into the staircase saying “F*ck off, black people!”

    “At that point my heart was broken, I thought I was going to cry or something. She was old, I couldn’t say anything to her. I called the customer and said, could you come downstairs because I can’t get in. And he told her to move and said, don’t worry, calm down…” said Prabh.

    Mr Singh and Abi
    Prabh’s friend Mr Singh works at a different delivery service, Bolt. He wears a turban and tries not to notice the looks he gets.

    “People mostly think I’m an alien from a different planet. At least I feel that sometimes.

    But it is normal, because I have seen that people in Latvia know nothing about other cultures.

    So I am getting used to it. Sometimes people ask to take photos with me,” said Mr Singh.

    Another friend, Abi, studies programming in Jelgava. He is not looking for a job because he works for technology companies remotely. He says that the Indian student situation in Latvia is made worse by “jumping” – people obtain a visa to go somewhere else to work. He says around 40% people might be like this.

    Will the students stay?
    Asked whether the students think of staying in Latvia, whether they would learn Latvian and integrate into the job market, Prabh says a definite no. He doesn’t think Latvia is friendly and has broader plans. Abi doesn’t know yet – it depends on the job opportunities. He thinks it is possible to live without the knowledge of Latvian.

    “Actually many companies in Latvia employ foreigners, language is not a barrier. The barrier is your skill. If you have skills, you will get the job. Even here. Skills, of course, can also include the language skill,” said Abi.

    Mr Singh says he would like to stay in Latvia.

    “Many people say, you study business, how will you get a job? I say, I will try anyway. But after I get a degree, if I get a job, I would like to stay here.”

    Latvia has no policy for keeping foreign students
    How many foreign students are left to work in Latvia after studying? No one knows that, there are no statistics. Latvia also has no policy in this area. There is no comprehensive plan, there is no contribution to the economy, but the Ministry of Education (IZM) intends to take action.

    “We have entered into preliminary talks with the Ministry of Economy. I can’t say the exact date now, but it’s really the sort of job meetings where these things are going to be discussed. Because, if we look in the context of other countries, it is an absolutely acceptable and common practice that countries attract skilled labor,” said Dace Jansone, deputy director of IZM’s Department of Higher Education, Science and Innovation.

    At the moment, every institution of higher education is doing what and how it wants.

    “What we have found is that not all universities have an established foreign student-supportive and inclusive study and social environment. It must be said here that the Latvian society is, as such, lacking tolerance for foreigners. Which is also one of the influencing factors. And it also appears in various types of polls, where foreign students indicate that they would not recommend going to Latvia to study, precisely because of these integration mechanisms and the general attitudes of society,” said Jansone.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere


    He chose Latvia because studies are much cheaper than they are in India.
     
    Latvia is subsidizing Sikh immigrants?

    This is very weird and also it is 2023.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VM2eLhvsSM

    Coca cola is really terrible for your war band physique by the way.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Sher Singh
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    One with the Turban stays the 2 Transgenders leave.
    Gain for Latvia.


    ਢੀਠ ਭਯੋ ਤਵ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਲਖਾਈ ॥
    Understanding Your Grace I have become fearless

    ਐਂਡੋ ਫਿਰੇ ਸਭਨ ਭਯੋ ਰਾਈ ॥੯॥
    I roam around in this air of supremacy having become the King of all

    - The Wonderous Drama [Bachittar Natak, Chapter 14, verse 9]

     

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777361459130138627/1174724129405026354/main-qimg-d7399def82658af7253c49f0fd7a214c-lq.png

    https://twitter.com/Yatt47/status/1725164025313394920

    ਤ੍ਰਾਣ ਕਰੈਂ ਨਿਜ ਦਾਸਨ ਕੀ ਭਵ ਬੰਧਨ ਤੋਰ ਦਦ ਨਿਰਬਾਣ ।
    Forever a protector of His servants, He blesses them with liberation by ripping off their shackles [of spiritual ignorance]

    ਬਾਣ ਕੁਦੰਡ ਪ੍ਰਚੰਡ ਧਰੇ ਗਜ ਸੁੰਡ ਮਨੋ ਭੁਜਦੰਡ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣ ।
    To punish His enemies He grips a powerful bow with ferocious arrows, and understand His arms are strong like the trunk of an elephant

    ਮਾਣ ਨਿਮਾਣਨਿ ਹਾਣਿ ਅਰੀ ਗਣ ਬਾਣ ਸਦਾ ਜਿਨ ਆਯੁਧ ਪਾਣ ।
    The Honour of the honourless, the destroyer of all His enemies, His nature is to always have a weapon in hand

    ਪਾਣਿਪ ਹਿੰਦੁਨ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਗੁਰੂ ਬਰ ਬੀਰ ਧਰੈਂ ਅਤਿ ਤ੍ਰਾਣ ।
    Guru Gobind Singh, the Great Warrior, fastened with beautiful armour, is the glory of all Hindustan

    Gurpratap Suraj Prakash Granth [1843], author: the Great Poet Santokh Singh

    Raas 1, chapter 1.
     

    https://static.wixstatic.com/media/f03993_5b356f2b0faf47bfb650fc485caa6c77~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_592,h_437,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/f03993_5b356f2b0faf47bfb650fc485caa6c77~mv2.jpg

    https://static.wixstatic.com/media/f03993_d2d57fc9cc5f4069bab93401a85da381~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_592,h_593,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/f03993_d2d57fc9cc5f4069bab93401a85da381~mv2.jpg

    https://static.wixstatic.com/media/f03993_14e3be6ff0134b05aab9f9a5a3585878~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_588,h_588,al_c,lg_1,q_80,enc_auto/f03993_14e3be6ff0134b05aab9f9a5a3585878~mv2.jpg

    Replies: @LatW

  858. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    Of course he means current lines. What are you going to argue?
     
    But he didn't say it. Russia claims Crimea+4 oblasts - the current lines don't match it. Russia also insists on "security", the frozen lines would not provide security for either side.

    There is no indication that Russia ever wanted to occupy all of Ukraine - they never said it and never used forces big enough to accomplish it. They called the damn thing "SMO" and not a "war" so it would be clear to everyone. (I think that was pointless, it is a war.)

    You are doing the usual losers' game: "but they wanted everything, and look they only got some of it - so we win!"...it is kind of sad and it only enhances the loss. Deal with reality and not with what you imagine - or what "someone said", why does that matter? Who the hell is Ritter? Russia clearly only wants a neutral, non-threatening Ukraine, and the Russian areas for itself. They don't want to run streetcars in Kiev or Lviv. Who would be that stupid?


    The actual inflation rate isn’t verifiable by Western economists. That is why they are currently debating it.
     
    Sure, within reason...a few % points up (or down), similar to the West. Or do you actually believe that US inflation is 3%? But it is not 50% as that wacko Philip Owen claims - he is probably bitter about Russia because Russia kicked him out or he lost money, so he has an agenda. To argue with "some people say prices are going up" is meaningless.

    You are now are put your bet on Russian "inflation". That shows desperation. What if it doesn't happen? What if it does and changes nothing? Maybe you can dig up comrade "Prigozhin" and see if he can march again...or send that Armenian chess-master to be a "president". You are running out of even crazy options.

    Or you can wake up and accept that a deal that meets Russian goals at least in some way will be necessary to end it.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail

    Of course he means current lines. What are you going to argue?

    But he didn’t say it. Russia claims Crimea+4 oblasts – the current lines don’t match it. Russia also insists on “security”, the frozen lines would not provide security for either side.

    The current lines are close enough to what he wants.

    He is clearly signaling to walk with what they have.

    Yes I know you dream of Russians marching on Kiev and gunning down the last resistors but that isn’t going to happen. The real world can see that Putin is willing to walk with the current lines.

    Looks like Russian support for the war has dropped:
    https://www.newsweek.com/majority-russians-want-end-ukraine-war-poll-levada-1839830

    There is no indication that Russia ever wanted to occupy all of Ukraine – they never said it and never used forces big enough to accomplish it.

    They didn’t send enough forces because Putin thought Ukraine would quickly collapse. Leaked plans show a 2.5 week war.

    When you send a 40 mile column at the capital and put a bounty on the president’s head that isn’t an attempt at negotiating.

    Are you going to go on record and claim the leaked invasion plan is fake?
    https://www.newsweek.com/leaked-invasion-plan-reveals-4-assumptions-putin-regime-wrong-1764309

    Who the hell is Ritter?

    Scott Ritter. You have referenced him in the past. It’s in your history.

    Russia clearly only wants a neutral, non-threatening Ukraine, and the Russian areas for itself. They don’t want to run streetcars in Kiev or Lviv. Who would be that stupid?

    Then why didn’t they make such a demand before invading?

    Russia plans on absorbing Belarus by 2030
    https://www.dw.com/en/russia-plans-belarus-absorption-by-2030-media-reports/a-64771429

    But you maintain that Putin had no plans to add Ukraine to the Russian empire? Just Belarus? Is that right? Or is that leaked plan also false? Why are there so many leaked plans that involve Putin acting aggressively? It’s just a coincidence that he stated the great Tsars were conquerors and that it was a shame the USSR collapsed? You are certain he isn’t trying to expand the empire?

    You are now are put your bet on Russian “inflation”. That shows desperation. What if it doesn’t happen?

    How am I putting my bet on Russian inflation when I’ve stated that Putin can walk with Donbas? I’ve never once stated that Ukraine will absolutely win all of their territory. In fact I said that trying to get all of Crimea is overly ambitious. I said we don’t know the actual state of the Russian economy and they are most likely lying. A Ruble crash is always possible which could affect the outcome of the war. Putin could also be under economic pressure to end the war. The belief that Russia can play a long game is unsubstantiated. Inflation could be much higher than they are telling us.

    Maybe you can dig up comrade “Prigozhin” and see if he can march again

    Amusing when the pro-Putin experts like Ritter and MacGregor all said Prigozhin was nothing to worry about. Putin has everything under control. No reason to worry about a corrupt chef turned private warlord who is making threats. Nothing to worry about. Putin knows what he is doing. Same for the economy, right?

    If you want I can provide the video where Scott Ritter rants about Prigozhin is under control and anyone who says otherwise doesn’t know Wagner.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You are now really into minutia, that's one way to cope. But don't run away from what you used to write, maintain some dignity...:)

    Another thing you are into are the "leaks". Nobody else cares, these are mostly produced by different intelligence agencies. Some could be partially real, edited or contingency plans - everybody knows it. To argue based on "leaks" is like you have nothing else left.

    The premier Western "leaker" Assange has been in jail for 10 years. Doesn't that bother you? So when we talk about free press what do you have to say about Assange?


    Ruble crash is always possible which could affect the outcome of the war.
     
    So is an asteroid crash. Or a crash of other currencies, have you checked the numbers behind the dollar lately? The outstanding debts are unpayable and dollar is slowly being replaced in a lot of foreign trade. But I would never predict - it is up to heavens to guide it. So you wait for the ruble crash, uprising by Prigozhin's son, drought, coup. Keep on waiting, only fools have a "plan" based on unlikely and unknown lucky events. Nazis did too at the end - they even celebrated when FDR died...

    About the Prigozhin march into the fields: it was nothing, but the timing seems interesting. As if it was coordinated to feed the Ukie soldiers with some hope that they can storm the Russian lines, since there was a "rebellion". To think of it, Russians are savvy enough to organize a trap like that. Or someone else.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  859. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    Of course he means current lines. What are you going to argue?
     
    But he didn't say it. Russia claims Crimea+4 oblasts - the current lines don't match it. Russia also insists on "security", the frozen lines would not provide security for either side.

    There is no indication that Russia ever wanted to occupy all of Ukraine - they never said it and never used forces big enough to accomplish it. They called the damn thing "SMO" and not a "war" so it would be clear to everyone. (I think that was pointless, it is a war.)

    You are doing the usual losers' game: "but they wanted everything, and look they only got some of it - so we win!"...it is kind of sad and it only enhances the loss. Deal with reality and not with what you imagine - or what "someone said", why does that matter? Who the hell is Ritter? Russia clearly only wants a neutral, non-threatening Ukraine, and the Russian areas for itself. They don't want to run streetcars in Kiev or Lviv. Who would be that stupid?


    The actual inflation rate isn’t verifiable by Western economists. That is why they are currently debating it.
     
    Sure, within reason...a few % points up (or down), similar to the West. Or do you actually believe that US inflation is 3%? But it is not 50% as that wacko Philip Owen claims - he is probably bitter about Russia because Russia kicked him out or he lost money, so he has an agenda. To argue with "some people say prices are going up" is meaningless.

    You are now are put your bet on Russian "inflation". That shows desperation. What if it doesn't happen? What if it does and changes nothing? Maybe you can dig up comrade "Prigozhin" and see if he can march again...or send that Armenian chess-master to be a "president". You are running out of even crazy options.

    Or you can wake up and accept that a deal that meets Russian goals at least in some way will be necessary to end it.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail

    You are now are put your bet on Russian “inflation”. That shows desperation. What if it doesn’t happen? What if it does and changes nothing? Maybe you can dig up comrade “Prigozhin” and see if he can march again…or send that Armenian chess-master to be a “president”. You are running out of even crazy options.

    He stays away from facts like IMF reports indicating the Russian economy has done better than German’s and the UK since 2/24/22. It’s not like the situation in the US has noticeably improved within that time frame.

    https://www.rt.com/business/587320-pentagon-buying-russian-oil/

    https://www.rt.com/business/587339-eu-russia-economic-growth-forecast/

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mikhail

    It looks like grasping for straws. Denying reality leads to that. It is sad when the losing side insists on not letting go...

    It is starting to look like the post-WW2 Nazi camps in some remote jungle in Paraguay...

    , @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    He stays away from facts like IMF reports indicating the Russian economy has done better than German’s and the UK since 2/24/22. It’s not like the situation in the US has noticeably improved within that time frame.

    I really don't care about German inflation anymore than the price of German sausage.

    They are not currently involved in a violent war against their neighbor and dragging down the world economy.

    We don't know the actual state of the Russian economy and that is relevant to the war.

    Putin could be sitting on much worse economic problems than he is admitting.

    They have raised interest rates 4 times this year. Clearly they have an inflation problem and Russia is currently claiming 6.7% in October. Not sure why anyone would believe that number given how much Russia has lied in the past two years.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @AP
    @Mikhail


    He stays away from facts like IMF reports indicating the Russian economy has done better than German’s and the UK since 2/24/22.
     
    No it hasn't.

    In 2022, UK's economy grew 4.1% and is projected to grow only .3% in 2023.

    In 2022, Germany's economy grew 1.9% and in 2023 it is projected to shrink .3%.

    In 2022, Russia's economy shrank 2.1% but in 2023 it is projected to grow 2.8%.

    So from 2022-2023:

    UK's economy will have grown about 4.4%
    Germany's will have grown about 1.6%
    Russia's will have grown about .7%.

    So after the war, Russia has fallen further behind Germany and UK.

    And in 2021, Russia's economy had grown 5.6%! So the war cut short an economic rally for Russia.

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locations=DE-GB-RU

    You must have gotten too excited by the 2023 numbers (when Russia does outperform the other two countries) , and your little mind couldn't handle the fact that 2022 was also after the war.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  860. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    Anglo-French were in no mood to fight Germany or Russia in the late 1930’s and their promises are not worth the paper they are on. They wanted Germany and Russia to fight, that required Czecho-Slovakia and Poland be sacrificed with all the consequences.
     
    Yes, it's entirely possible that similar logic to that which is used to justify denying aid to Ukraine right now could have also been used to justify allowing Hitler to expand eastwards in the 1930s. After all, Hitler and the Nazis were going to have a giant headache for decades afterwards and having the West preserve semi-normal relations with Nazi Germany could have discouraged the Nazis from engaging in mass murder (as opposed to mass deportations, which the Nazis would have been very eager to do). And the West could have even aggressively funded anti-Nazi insurgencies in Eastern Europe.

    You complaining that Czechs and Slovaks also made accommodations with Germany after the Munich betrayal is way off. Let us understand: Anglos and French can do self-preservation but we can’t? Quite similar to Ukraine today: people like you always talk big and then ask others to do the sacrifices.

     

    Unlike AP, I don't complain about Czechs and Slovaks collaborating with the Nazis, other than in regards to Slovakia handing over most of its Jews to the Nazis.

    Your short-hand description of what happened in WW2 is selectively wrong. For example in France most Jews who were not pre-war French citizens were killed.
     
    Not "most" but almost half. 45% if I recall correctly. And that was due to Vichy not being as willing to protect them. (The equivalent figure for native French Jews was 9% IIRC.)

    And Hungary hardly wanted to switch sides – they tried to negotiate a better post-WW2 deal.
     
    That might very well be true (they very likely wanted the Allies to let them keep some of their Hitler-era territorial gains), but that still doesn't negate the fact that they condemned most of their Jews to mass murder at Nazi hands, with the help of plenty of Hungarian collaborators.

    Romania was incredibly brutal on its own, doing some of the worst massacres in Ukraine.
     
    Yes, which was extraordinarily tragic and a massive genocidal crime against humanity. Though on the bright side the almost 300,000 Jews of the Romanian Old Kingdom territories (plus southern Transylvania's couple dozen thousand Jews) were mostly saved due to Ion Antonescu making a last-minute decision to indefinitely postpone their deportations (thus ensuring that they wouldn't happen).

    Czechia had no agency in WW2, blaming them is silly – they only wanted to survive and mostly did. As always they showed a level of brown-nosing to authority that is specifically Czech – they excel in it.
     
    Yep; correct! They were prepared to fight the Nazis in 1938 but the Western Allies let them down.

    Slovakia had almost no agency, due to its small size and proximity to Germany it had fewer choices than other countries, e.g. Bulgaria.
     
    Slovakia paid the Nazis to accept its own deported Jews. That doesn't sound like no agency to me.

    The reality is that if Germany had prevailed, or even held on to most of the territories they occupied (or allied with), they would destroy all Jewish communities – and a few others. The only thing that stopped it was the Russian decisive victory. Not the Anglos, not US, nor “resistance” – but Red Army. It is puzzling that you refuse to accept that and show minimal gratitude.
     
    Had the Nazis won a long WWII, then likely Yes. But had the Nazis quickly won WWII, the Jews would have likely been deported somewhere en masse rather than mass murdered, at least not anywhere to the same scale as in real life. The Nazis only settled on mass murdering the Jews in late 1941, once it became clear that they could not quickly win the war.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …it’s entirely possible that similar logic to that which is used to justify denying aid to Ukraine right now could have also been used to justify allowing Hitler to expand eastwards

    You have it upside down: it is Nato that is expanding eastwards, Ukies are willing allies, and Germany again plays central role.

    Slovakia paid the Nazis to accept its own deported Jews. That doesn’t sound like no agency to me.

    Ahh…but Germans insisted on the payment. The pretense was it was for the resettlement. I am not sure many believed it, but Germany put a lot of effort into creating the bogus story. When the word got back to Slovakia what was going on they halted it in 1942.

    The second German killing of Jews happened after the Slovak uprising in August 1944 – Germans invaded and killed a lot of people, remaining Jews, burnt about dozen villages. Most if the killing was done by the Galician Ukie SS division brought in to do the dirty work. We remember it very well, kids learn about in school, parading Bandera and Galician SS is very unpopular.

    After WW2 the perpetrators were punished – this time the commies insisted. Who tried to protect our Nazi collaborators were the Anglos, they helped many escape to Argentina and Canada. The Anglos oddly always ended up helping the Nazis. Why do you think that was?

    had the Nazis quickly won WWII, the Jews would have likely been deported somewhere en masse rather than mass murdered

    Are you suggesting that Russia should had lost the war? That it would be better that way? You are spinning a weird alternative history that is only concerned with what would happen to the Jews. How about us? Was it ok for the Nazis to rule over us and possibly exterminate us? They were too many of us to “resettle”, so they probably would.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    Are you suggesting that Russia should had lost the war? That it would be better that way? You are spinning a weird alternative history that is only concerned with what would happen to the Jews. How about us? Was it ok for the Nazis to rule over us and possibly exterminate us? They were too many of us to “resettle”, so they probably would.
     
    The most moral course of action would have likely been an Anglo-Franco-Soviet alliance against the Nazis back in 1939. Eastern Europe might still get Communism shoved down its throats for decades, but at a much smaller cost in lives relative to real life.

    That said, though, I'm unsure that Hitler would have resorted to mass murder (at least on anywhere near the scale of real life) had the West not militarily opposed his eastwards expansion plans. After all, in such a scenario, Hitler would still have an incentive to maintain semi-normal relations with the West. He'd still want the Jews gone, to acquire Lebensraum, et cetera, but his worst instincts might have been contained. IIRC, Goebbels said that the Holocaust would have been impossible in peacetime. So, had the West absolutely refused to ally with the Soviet Union against Nazi Germany, a second-best option might be not to offer any guarantees to Poland or to anyone else and instead tell them to make a deal with the Nazis on whatever terms possible and then watch as the Nazis and their allies would have likely attacked the Soviet Union in the East and possibly gotten a huge headache for themselves for decades or more to come (because Eastern Slavs would not have wanted to be ruled over by Nazis). The Anglo-French could have, of course, subsequently opened the doors of their empires wide open for immigration (including, but not only, Jewish immigration) from Eastern Europe in order to boost the European population of their empires.

  861. @Mikhail
    @Beckow


    You are now are put your bet on Russian “inflation”. That shows desperation. What if it doesn’t happen? What if it does and changes nothing? Maybe you can dig up comrade “Prigozhin” and see if he can march again…or send that Armenian chess-master to be a “president”. You are running out of even crazy options.
     
    He stays away from facts like IMF reports indicating the Russian economy has done better than German's and the UK since 2/24/22. It's not like the situation in the US has noticeably improved within that time frame.

    https://www.rt.com/business/587320-pentagon-buying-russian-oil/

    https://www.rt.com/business/587339-eu-russia-economic-growth-forecast/

    Replies: @Beckow, @John Johnson, @AP

    It looks like grasping for straws. Denying reality leads to that. It is sad when the losing side insists on not letting go…

    It is starting to look like the post-WW2 Nazi camps in some remote jungle in Paraguay…

  862. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Sher Singh




    Almost a third of all foreign students in Latvia come from India, around 5,000 students.

    Prabh's story
    Prabh from India studies at Latvia University of Life Sciences and Technologies (LLU) in Jelgava. He chose Latvia because studies are much cheaper than they are in India.

    Prabh is a third-year student of business economics. He came to Latvia in February 2018.

    "When I landed at the airport, it was very tough for me. Because it was the first time so far away from home.

    I had watched YouTube videos before. My mom had advised me to write to the university so they help me get a taxi. I did it, and a man awaited me at the airport. He took me to the hostel,"

    Prabh comes from Punjab, where sikhism is popular. Those belonging to this religion do not cut their hair and wear a turban. Prabh does not wear a turban as he feels he would draw too much attention. His friend, Mr Singh, does wear one. Prabh and Mr Singh study together and help each other.

    There are no Latvians on Prabh's friend list.

    Prabh's daily life is not that exciting - university, work, home. Prabh earns his living himself; however, he doesn't have too many job opportunities. Even a janitor's job demands knowledge of Latvian. He had learned a little Latvian in the beginning but there had been no chance to practice it. Prabh worked at Pakistānas kebabs before, but the salary had been meager. He now works at Wolt.

    When asked how he feels in Latvia, Prabh's reply is not too positive. "I can say I like to start my day off on a good note.

    But during the day, at least once or twice, I encounter racism problems, hatred, something like that."

    This attitude is one of the reasons Prabh doesn't live a very loud life but accepts the university, work, home pattern.

    He said attitudes were different - some are kind, but there had been an incident when a lady hadn't let him into the staircase saying "F*ck off, black people!"

    "At that point my heart was broken, I thought I was going to cry or something. She was old, I couldn't say anything to her. I called the customer and said, could you come downstairs because I can't get in. And he told her to move and said, don't worry, calm down..." said Prabh.

    Mr Singh and Abi
    Prabh's friend Mr Singh works at a different delivery service, Bolt. He wears a turban and tries not to notice the looks he gets.

    "People mostly think I'm an alien from a different planet. At least I feel that sometimes.

    But it is normal, because I have seen that people in Latvia know nothing about other cultures.

    So I am getting used to it. Sometimes people ask to take photos with me," said Mr Singh.

    Another friend, Abi, studies programming in Jelgava. He is not looking for a job because he works for technology companies remotely. He says that the Indian student situation in Latvia is made worse by "jumping" - people obtain a visa to go somewhere else to work. He says around 40% people might be like this.

    Will the students stay?
    Asked whether the students think of staying in Latvia, whether they would learn Latvian and integrate into the job market, Prabh says a definite no. He doesn't think Latvia is friendly and has broader plans. Abi doesn't know yet - it depends on the job opportunities. He thinks it is possible to live without the knowledge of Latvian.

    "Actually many companies in Latvia employ foreigners, language is not a barrier. The barrier is your skill. If you have skills, you will get the job. Even here. Skills, of course, can also include the language skill," said Abi.

    Mr Singh says he would like to stay in Latvia.

    "Many people say, you study business, how will you get a job? I say, I will try anyway. But after I get a degree, if I get a job, I would like to stay here."

    Latvia has no policy for keeping foreign students
    How many foreign students are left to work in Latvia after studying? No one knows that, there are no statistics. Latvia also has no policy in this area. There is no comprehensive plan, there is no contribution to the economy, but the Ministry of Education (IZM) intends to take action.

    "We have entered into preliminary talks with the Ministry of Economy. I can't say the exact date now, but it's really the sort of job meetings where these things are going to be discussed. Because, if we look in the context of other countries, it is an absolutely acceptable and common practice that countries attract skilled labor," said Dace Jansone, deputy director of IZM's Department of Higher Education, Science and Innovation.

    At the moment, every institution of higher education is doing what and how it wants.

    “What we have found is that not all universities have an established foreign student-supportive and inclusive study and social environment. It must be said here that the Latvian society is, as such, lacking tolerance for foreigners. Which is also one of the influencing factors. And it also appears in various types of polls, where foreign students indicate that they would not recommend going to Latvia to study, precisely because of these integration mechanisms and the general attitudes of society,” said Jansone.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh

    He chose Latvia because studies are much cheaper than they are in India.

    Latvia is subsidizing Sikh immigrants?

    This is very weird and also it is 2023.

    Coca cola is really terrible for your war band physique by the way.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Just how much of tertiary education in both the Eastern Bloc and West is a scheme designed to facilitate migration from the Global South into the West?

    Seems like a rather substantial amount, especially when you backcount people like Harris and Obama and other blacks I've personally known, born to people with education visas.

  863. @Mikhail
    @Beckow


    You are now are put your bet on Russian “inflation”. That shows desperation. What if it doesn’t happen? What if it does and changes nothing? Maybe you can dig up comrade “Prigozhin” and see if he can march again…or send that Armenian chess-master to be a “president”. You are running out of even crazy options.
     
    He stays away from facts like IMF reports indicating the Russian economy has done better than German's and the UK since 2/24/22. It's not like the situation in the US has noticeably improved within that time frame.

    https://www.rt.com/business/587320-pentagon-buying-russian-oil/

    https://www.rt.com/business/587339-eu-russia-economic-growth-forecast/

    Replies: @Beckow, @John Johnson, @AP

    He stays away from facts like IMF reports indicating the Russian economy has done better than German’s and the UK since 2/24/22. It’s not like the situation in the US has noticeably improved within that time frame.

    I really don’t care about German inflation anymore than the price of German sausage.

    They are not currently involved in a violent war against their neighbor and dragging down the world economy.

    We don’t know the actual state of the Russian economy and that is relevant to the war.

    Putin could be sitting on much worse economic problems than he is admitting.

    They have raised interest rates 4 times this year. Clearly they have an inflation problem and Russia is currently claiming 6.7% in October. Not sure why anyone would believe that number given how much Russia has lied in the past two years.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    Keep believing BS which EU and IMF sources differ. You can be sure that CNN, PBS, NPR, BBC et al would be running doom and gloom feature on the Russian economy's decline were it true.

    Once again, Russia gave ample time for peace. It then engaged in a limited military operation which got the Kiev regime to the negotiating table with an agreement about to be reached. The evidence on who thwarted that and why is clear and is best summed up by Lindsey Graham.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  864. Sher Singh says:
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Sher Singh




    Almost a third of all foreign students in Latvia come from India, around 5,000 students.

    Prabh's story
    Prabh from India studies at Latvia University of Life Sciences and Technologies (LLU) in Jelgava. He chose Latvia because studies are much cheaper than they are in India.

    Prabh is a third-year student of business economics. He came to Latvia in February 2018.

    "When I landed at the airport, it was very tough for me. Because it was the first time so far away from home.

    I had watched YouTube videos before. My mom had advised me to write to the university so they help me get a taxi. I did it, and a man awaited me at the airport. He took me to the hostel,"

    Prabh comes from Punjab, where sikhism is popular. Those belonging to this religion do not cut their hair and wear a turban. Prabh does not wear a turban as he feels he would draw too much attention. His friend, Mr Singh, does wear one. Prabh and Mr Singh study together and help each other.

    There are no Latvians on Prabh's friend list.

    Prabh's daily life is not that exciting - university, work, home. Prabh earns his living himself; however, he doesn't have too many job opportunities. Even a janitor's job demands knowledge of Latvian. He had learned a little Latvian in the beginning but there had been no chance to practice it. Prabh worked at Pakistānas kebabs before, but the salary had been meager. He now works at Wolt.

    When asked how he feels in Latvia, Prabh's reply is not too positive. "I can say I like to start my day off on a good note.

    But during the day, at least once or twice, I encounter racism problems, hatred, something like that."

    This attitude is one of the reasons Prabh doesn't live a very loud life but accepts the university, work, home pattern.

    He said attitudes were different - some are kind, but there had been an incident when a lady hadn't let him into the staircase saying "F*ck off, black people!"

    "At that point my heart was broken, I thought I was going to cry or something. She was old, I couldn't say anything to her. I called the customer and said, could you come downstairs because I can't get in. And he told her to move and said, don't worry, calm down..." said Prabh.

    Mr Singh and Abi
    Prabh's friend Mr Singh works at a different delivery service, Bolt. He wears a turban and tries not to notice the looks he gets.

    "People mostly think I'm an alien from a different planet. At least I feel that sometimes.

    But it is normal, because I have seen that people in Latvia know nothing about other cultures.

    So I am getting used to it. Sometimes people ask to take photos with me," said Mr Singh.

    Another friend, Abi, studies programming in Jelgava. He is not looking for a job because he works for technology companies remotely. He says that the Indian student situation in Latvia is made worse by "jumping" - people obtain a visa to go somewhere else to work. He says around 40% people might be like this.

    Will the students stay?
    Asked whether the students think of staying in Latvia, whether they would learn Latvian and integrate into the job market, Prabh says a definite no. He doesn't think Latvia is friendly and has broader plans. Abi doesn't know yet - it depends on the job opportunities. He thinks it is possible to live without the knowledge of Latvian.

    "Actually many companies in Latvia employ foreigners, language is not a barrier. The barrier is your skill. If you have skills, you will get the job. Even here. Skills, of course, can also include the language skill," said Abi.

    Mr Singh says he would like to stay in Latvia.

    "Many people say, you study business, how will you get a job? I say, I will try anyway. But after I get a degree, if I get a job, I would like to stay here."

    Latvia has no policy for keeping foreign students
    How many foreign students are left to work in Latvia after studying? No one knows that, there are no statistics. Latvia also has no policy in this area. There is no comprehensive plan, there is no contribution to the economy, but the Ministry of Education (IZM) intends to take action.

    "We have entered into preliminary talks with the Ministry of Economy. I can't say the exact date now, but it's really the sort of job meetings where these things are going to be discussed. Because, if we look in the context of other countries, it is an absolutely acceptable and common practice that countries attract skilled labor," said Dace Jansone, deputy director of IZM's Department of Higher Education, Science and Innovation.

    At the moment, every institution of higher education is doing what and how it wants.

    “What we have found is that not all universities have an established foreign student-supportive and inclusive study and social environment. It must be said here that the Latvian society is, as such, lacking tolerance for foreigners. Which is also one of the influencing factors. And it also appears in various types of polls, where foreign students indicate that they would not recommend going to Latvia to study, precisely because of these integration mechanisms and the general attitudes of society,” said Jansone.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh

    One with the Turban stays the 2 Transgenders leave.
    Gain for Latvia.

    ਢੀਠ ਭਯੋ ਤਵ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਲਖਾਈ ॥
    Understanding Your Grace I have become fearless

    ਐਂਡੋ ਫਿਰੇ ਸਭਨ ਭਯੋ ਰਾਈ ॥੯॥
    I roam around in this air of supremacy having become the King of all

    – The Wonderous Drama [Bachittar Natak, Chapter 14, verse 9]

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    https://twitter.com/Yatt47/status/1725164025313394920

    ਤ੍ਰਾਣ ਕਰੈਂ ਨਿਜ ਦਾਸਨ ਕੀ ਭਵ ਬੰਧਨ ਤੋਰ ਦਦ ਨਿਰਬਾਣ ।
    Forever a protector of His servants, He blesses them with liberation by ripping off their shackles [of spiritual ignorance]

    ਬਾਣ ਕੁਦੰਡ ਪ੍ਰਚੰਡ ਧਰੇ ਗਜ ਸੁੰਡ ਮਨੋ ਭੁਜਦੰਡ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣ ।
    To punish His enemies He grips a powerful bow with ferocious arrows, and understand His arms are strong like the trunk of an elephant

    ਮਾਣ ਨਿਮਾਣਨਿ ਹਾਣਿ ਅਰੀ ਗਣ ਬਾਣ ਸਦਾ ਜਿਨ ਆਯੁਧ ਪਾਣ ।
    The Honour of the honourless, the destroyer of all His enemies, His nature is to always have a weapon in hand

    ਪਾਣਿਪ ਹਿੰਦੁਨ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਗੁਰੂ ਬਰ ਬੀਰ ਧਰੈਂ ਅਤਿ ਤ੍ਰਾਣ ।
    Guru Gobind Singh, the Great Warrior, fastened with beautiful armour, is the glory of all Hindustan

    Gurpratap Suraj Prakash Granth [1843], author: the Great Poet Santokh Singh

    Raas 1, chapter 1.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Sher Singh


    One with the Turban stays the 2 Transgenders leave.
     
    That's really funny, because he's the only one who wants to stay. The rest want to leave. Most of them bounce anyway. But Mr Singh is not like you, he is nerdy and quiet.
  865. @LatW
    @silviosilver


    Sigh. Why in the world do you take this copey pajeet seriously? It’s your own life to live as you please, but a just a little bit of consideration for other forum users might prompt you to refrain from replying to him, because it’s quite tiresome – and a tad deflating – having to scroll past all the brainless nonsense he posts.
     
    Oh, I apologize for filling up the forum with such useless posts, I rarely talk to him. But sometimes he really triggers me with his attitude - but only when he is contemptuous of White societies and looks down on them. Otherwise he seems to be some kind of a military chad type which I quite like (he posts cool pics sometimes, although they are mostly of non-White soldiers, so don't do much for me, but the idea is good). His obsession with swords is also pretty entertaining. :)

    I should try to control my impulses better to not respond to him, to just ignore. I know you can handle him much, much better and you're very good at putting him in his place (which I appreciate greatly). I could put him in his place if I wanted to but it would take a lot of effort (he can be very feisty), and it would be a waste of time and energy.

    I also don't want to be aggressive to a minority (or a brown or "ethnic" individual). I have a natural aversion to hurting minorities (unless they go too far) but you seem much better about that. I had a really bad spat with him a while back (you weren't here) and it was so bad that after it, I remembered about you and wished you had been here, to put him in his place. Anyway, most people don't want to waste their time on this. To me there's a distance, because Canada is not my country, but I wonder how much patience I would have if someone like that settled in my homeland and started running his mouth like that.

    Btw, I don't really have issues with his pseudo ultra-trad ideology - as long as he keeps it to his own community. Seems like some kind of an ultra-masculist larp centered on the warrior ethic (which under normal circumstances and if it came from a Euro, I would find appealing).

    Just put yourself in his shoes for a moment. You grew up noticing that pretty much everyone is better than you, that your own people are the butt of joke
     
    Honestly, I can't identify with a brown person in an Anglo country. I'm very well liked everywhere I go, and I'm not sure it's that way for a guy like him. I would hope so (despite of it all). Although who knows (he seems pretty content most days when he doesn't display his urge to compete with White guys and downgrade them in their own societies).

    But thanks for sharing that insight, it never occurred to me to analyze it that deeply.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Sher Singh, @silviosilver

    But sometimes he really triggers me with his attitude – but only when he is contemptuous of White societies and looks down on them.

    Yes, he has a knack for getting under people’s skin. He fully deserves the retribution he receives for this attitude. If it were not for this, I’d never have had any reason to rip into him (or his ethnicity).

    I doubt he is really as contemptuous as he comes off. It’s all part of the cope, imo. That’s also why I doubt his tough guy pose. It’s possible he’s a holy terror on the streets, but just as possible he’s a complete wimp who’d shit if I simply glared at him. (We can’t know, and it’s not worth pondering.)

    I also don’t want to be aggressive to a minority (or a brown or “ethnic” individual). I have a natural aversion to hurting minorities (unless they go too far) but you seem much better about that.

    I don’t address anyone this rudely irl. And I don’t think I do it too much on the internet either. There’s nothing admirable or heroic (obviously) about the kind of things I say in this regard. (In fact, I understand perfectly why some leftie might get so enraged about it he’d want to put a bullet in my head.) But you know, if someone really wants see what an unflinching view of racial realities as they stand on our planet on looks like, no-holds-barred racial forums are the place to go, and I don’t mind taking on the role of that dude who’ll give you the unvarnished truth. Which of course means my own ethnicity is fair game too (which it is, and I invite anyone who wants to to have at it). The difference between me and the sikh is I just don’t care what anyone says. Also, I have been that “ethnic individual” on numerous occasions growing up, and the Anglo-Saxons of yore were not shy about telling you what they thought of your race (those days, alas, appear to be gone, perhaps never to return), so I don’t feel anything like the same pressure you or other people might not to be too rude and crude.

    Btw, I don’t really have issues with his pseudo ultra-trad ideology – as long as he keeps it to his own community. Seems like some kind of an ultra-masculist larp centered on the warrior ethic (which under normal circumstances and if it came from a Euro, I would find appealing).

    As much as I might intellectually disagree with it today, for most of my life I found at least some (and more often, a lot) of appeal in it. To take the most extreme example, the Nazis, as much as I’ve loathed them and feared them and disagreed with them, their program at least made logical sense to me, and sometimes even stirred positive emotions in me. Who knows, it’s not certain, but if I were German (or Germanic), I probably would have at least for some part of my life gone all-in on it. It’s a complete contrast to Marxism (to say nothing of the loony variants on it of more recent vintage), which has never had any intellectual or emotional (hah) appeal to me whatsoever. For the purposes of establishing baseline leanings (“left” or “right”), this distinction (based on emotional appeal) might be the most potent political litmus test available.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @silviosilver


    For the purposes of establishing baseline leanings (“left” or “right”), this distinction (based on emotional appeal) might be the most potent political litmus test available.
     
    That's a very good observation. I've thought about this before (kind of intuitively) but haven't been able to formulate it clearly.

    Btw, I don't really have issues with the actual people from other races (or cultures), I mostly have issues with white liberals (and other leftists).

    Are you Serbian or Croatian?

    , @Sher Singh
    @silviosilver


    Yes, he has a knack for getting under people’s skin. He fully deserves the retribution he receives for this attitude. If it were not for this, I’d never have had any reason to rip into him (or his ethnicity).

    I doubt he is really as contemptuous as he comes off. It’s all part of the cope, imo. That’s also why I doubt his tough guy pose. It’s possible he’s a holy terror on the streets, but just as possible he’s a complete wimp who’d shit if I simply glared at him.
     

    I think you forget that the younger gens in Aus/Canada don't grow up with your experiences.
    We're rarely going to be outside an ethnic enclave and/or the only minority in the room.

    Furthermore, we're encouraged to keep our cultures & assimilation is seen as 'inauthentic'.
    If you knew my personal history or line of work you'd say yea he's probably a tough guy..

    I don't feel that I act that way though. I'm extremely flawed & soft/moderate as far as, Sikhs go.


    Btw, I don’t really have issues with his pseudo ultra-trad ideology – as long as he keeps it to his own community.
     
    I don't see others as being outside my community just less or more connected.
    Why shouldn't I try to help those around me & contribute to society?
    Not doing so goes against the roots of Sikhi & will be rejected.

    Unshorn Hair & Weapons is the divine form of masculinity.


    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @John Johnson, @LatW

    , @LatW
    @silviosilver


    But you know, if someone really wants see what an unflinching view of racial realities as they stand on our planet on looks like, no-holds-barred racial forums are the place to go, and I don’t mind taking on the role of that dude who’ll give you the unvarnished truth.
     

    Haha, good one. :)

    I hadn't been watching the so called "lamestream" media for a while (had been living in my Ukro language bubble for a long time) but with this renewed Israeli-Arab conflict, I started watching regular channels again. And I got a little startled, since, having taken that break, and coming back to it, things seemed to have gotten crazier than before (of course, this conflict is out of the ordinary in a way, so this kind of media content may not be fully normal). I watched some Piers Morgan Uncensored - and omg - there are all these minorities with British citizenship that come on the show and argue (sometimes even by raising their voice). I was only able to watch a few minutes of an Arab and a Jew arguing (both smart), because they immediately started screaming at each other (this is not something we need at all).

    Another problem they seem to have in the UK is former ISIS girlfriends / wives, such as someone named Shamima Begum (who joined ISIS, had children with an ISIS fighter who died, was stripped of British citizenship and is pining in some camp in Syria and now begging to come back to the UK). She was very young when it happened (15yo), so that might be a slightly mitigating factor, however, I noticed that she had a very smooth talking Arabic lawyer (and ofc all of this is happening at the British tax payers' expense), it made me concerned, knowing that there are probably armies of such "ethnic" lawyers out there in the Western world. It made me worry that if this happened eventually in the Baltic states (not ISIS related but some other "brown people problem" with immigration or religion or intolerance or what not), then my people will be too naive to handle this (because these Semites, either Jews or Arabs, will find it easy to manipulate them - we already have such an issue with Jews defending the Russian minority and as an extension all other diverse ones that come in a long line). Not because my people are dumb, but because they're not as glib and as manipulative. So my fear is that they will understand what is going on (rationally), but won't be able to acquire the proper tools to fight against it.

    Another show that really scared me was Rising (on The Hill), if this is the new America, I'm not sure I want to have anything to do with it. It is some kind of a new left propaganda channel with highly ideologized, barely 30 year old hosts. And it's not even generational (because I connect with 20-30 year old right wingers very well). Does this stuff ever make you feel uneasy?

    I was wondering if you had any advice on how to handle this in Eastern Euro countries (since you are both E.Euro and have lived around Anglos all your life in a multi-cultural setting)? Things seem to have gone very far that way in the West. My first idea was that it would be worth highlighting to E.Euros where this leads. Because people don't really know how these second gen etc immigrants really feel about their hosts and that they're not planning to assimilate. That they're totally ok with saying this such as "it is not your homeland" (even if your people have lived there for thousands of years and built most things there). I can guarantee you this will drive most EEs up the wall. But how to fight against it...

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @silviosilver

  866. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere


    He chose Latvia because studies are much cheaper than they are in India.
     
    Latvia is subsidizing Sikh immigrants?

    This is very weird and also it is 2023.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VM2eLhvsSM

    Coca cola is really terrible for your war band physique by the way.

    Replies: @songbird

    Just how much of tertiary education in both the Eastern Bloc and West is a scheme designed to facilitate migration from the Global South into the West?

    Seems like a rather substantial amount, especially when you backcount people like Harris and Obama and other blacks I’ve personally known, born to people with education visas.

  867. Has anyone calculated what dysgenics would make the average IQ on a Star Trek timeline?

  868. @Dmitry
    @Mikel


    lack of information that, as you say, we have about many of their conflicts
     
    I would say there is not an interest of the media to report them. Most of the deaths are in the wars of the developing countries, just normal people who are not nerds don't read about them.

    If you look at the numbers of civilians killed in the developing countries' wars, they are higher anyone has been killed directly by the American military since Vietnam, which is 50 years ago now, almost a different epoch

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigray_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur_genocide
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Civil_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemeni_civil_war_(2014%E2%80%93present)

    Replies: @Mikel

    If you look at the numbers of civilians killed in the developing countries’ wars, they are higher anyone has been killed directly by the American military since Vietnam

    As I said, I’m not sure what to think about this but, even though the estimates are very disparate, only in Iraq more people seem to have been killed since the 2003 invasion than in some of the examples you put:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

    I guess many of those deaths were not directly caused by the US armed forces but if we put together all the civilian deaths caused directly by the US in its “War on terror” (which I’m not sure has finished yet) it is probably comparable to some of your examples.

  869. @Sher Singh
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    One with the Turban stays the 2 Transgenders leave.
    Gain for Latvia.


    ਢੀਠ ਭਯੋ ਤਵ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਲਖਾਈ ॥
    Understanding Your Grace I have become fearless

    ਐਂਡੋ ਫਿਰੇ ਸਭਨ ਭਯੋ ਰਾਈ ॥੯॥
    I roam around in this air of supremacy having become the King of all

    - The Wonderous Drama [Bachittar Natak, Chapter 14, verse 9]

     

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777361459130138627/1174724129405026354/main-qimg-d7399def82658af7253c49f0fd7a214c-lq.png

    https://twitter.com/Yatt47/status/1725164025313394920

    ਤ੍ਰਾਣ ਕਰੈਂ ਨਿਜ ਦਾਸਨ ਕੀ ਭਵ ਬੰਧਨ ਤੋਰ ਦਦ ਨਿਰਬਾਣ ।
    Forever a protector of His servants, He blesses them with liberation by ripping off their shackles [of spiritual ignorance]

    ਬਾਣ ਕੁਦੰਡ ਪ੍ਰਚੰਡ ਧਰੇ ਗਜ ਸੁੰਡ ਮਨੋ ਭੁਜਦੰਡ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣ ।
    To punish His enemies He grips a powerful bow with ferocious arrows, and understand His arms are strong like the trunk of an elephant

    ਮਾਣ ਨਿਮਾਣਨਿ ਹਾਣਿ ਅਰੀ ਗਣ ਬਾਣ ਸਦਾ ਜਿਨ ਆਯੁਧ ਪਾਣ ।
    The Honour of the honourless, the destroyer of all His enemies, His nature is to always have a weapon in hand

    ਪਾਣਿਪ ਹਿੰਦੁਨ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਗੁਰੂ ਬਰ ਬੀਰ ਧਰੈਂ ਅਤਿ ਤ੍ਰਾਣ ।
    Guru Gobind Singh, the Great Warrior, fastened with beautiful armour, is the glory of all Hindustan

    Gurpratap Suraj Prakash Granth [1843], author: the Great Poet Santokh Singh

    Raas 1, chapter 1.
     

    https://static.wixstatic.com/media/f03993_5b356f2b0faf47bfb650fc485caa6c77~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_592,h_437,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/f03993_5b356f2b0faf47bfb650fc485caa6c77~mv2.jpg

    https://static.wixstatic.com/media/f03993_d2d57fc9cc5f4069bab93401a85da381~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_592,h_593,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/f03993_d2d57fc9cc5f4069bab93401a85da381~mv2.jpg

    https://static.wixstatic.com/media/f03993_14e3be6ff0134b05aab9f9a5a3585878~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_588,h_588,al_c,lg_1,q_80,enc_auto/f03993_14e3be6ff0134b05aab9f9a5a3585878~mv2.jpg

    Replies: @LatW

    One with the Turban stays the 2 Transgenders leave.

    That’s really funny, because he’s the only one who wants to stay. The rest want to leave. Most of them bounce anyway. But Mr Singh is not like you, he is nerdy and quiet.

  870. @silviosilver
    @LatW


    But sometimes he really triggers me with his attitude – but only when he is contemptuous of White societies and looks down on them.
     
    Yes, he has a knack for getting under people's skin. He fully deserves the retribution he receives for this attitude. If it were not for this, I'd never have had any reason to rip into him (or his ethnicity).

    I doubt he is really as contemptuous as he comes off. It's all part of the cope, imo. That's also why I doubt his tough guy pose. It's possible he's a holy terror on the streets, but just as possible he's a complete wimp who'd shit if I simply glared at him. (We can't know, and it's not worth pondering.)


    I also don’t want to be aggressive to a minority (or a brown or “ethnic” individual). I have a natural aversion to hurting minorities (unless they go too far) but you seem much better about that.
     
    I don't address anyone this rudely irl. And I don't think I do it too much on the internet either. There's nothing admirable or heroic (obviously) about the kind of things I say in this regard. (In fact, I understand perfectly why some leftie might get so enraged about it he'd want to put a bullet in my head.) But you know, if someone really wants see what an unflinching view of racial realities as they stand on our planet on looks like, no-holds-barred racial forums are the place to go, and I don't mind taking on the role of that dude who'll give you the unvarnished truth. Which of course means my own ethnicity is fair game too (which it is, and I invite anyone who wants to to have at it). The difference between me and the sikh is I just don't care what anyone says. Also, I have been that "ethnic individual" on numerous occasions growing up, and the Anglo-Saxons of yore were not shy about telling you what they thought of your race (those days, alas, appear to be gone, perhaps never to return), so I don't feel anything like the same pressure you or other people might not to be too rude and crude.

    Btw, I don’t really have issues with his pseudo ultra-trad ideology – as long as he keeps it to his own community. Seems like some kind of an ultra-masculist larp centered on the warrior ethic (which under normal circumstances and if it came from a Euro, I would find appealing).
     
    As much as I might intellectually disagree with it today, for most of my life I found at least some (and more often, a lot) of appeal in it. To take the most extreme example, the Nazis, as much as I've loathed them and feared them and disagreed with them, their program at least made logical sense to me, and sometimes even stirred positive emotions in me. Who knows, it's not certain, but if I were German (or Germanic), I probably would have at least for some part of my life gone all-in on it. It's a complete contrast to Marxism (to say nothing of the loony variants on it of more recent vintage), which has never had any intellectual or emotional (hah) appeal to me whatsoever. For the purposes of establishing baseline leanings ("left" or "right"), this distinction (based on emotional appeal) might be the most potent political litmus test available.

    Replies: @LatW, @Sher Singh, @LatW

    For the purposes of establishing baseline leanings (“left” or “right”), this distinction (based on emotional appeal) might be the most potent political litmus test available.

    That’s a very good observation. I’ve thought about this before (kind of intuitively) but haven’t been able to formulate it clearly.

    Btw, I don’t really have issues with the actual people from other races (or cultures), I mostly have issues with white liberals (and other leftists).

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    Are you Serbian or Croatian?

  871. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    The first thing Japan did after capturing Singapore in 1942 was to round-up the local bolshevik government and reopen capitalist street shacks that the bloody commies shut down.
     
    Eh, what? Commie government in a British crown colony? Who knew...
    No idea what you could even be thinking of. Shanghai and other Chinese cities on the coast weren't run by commies either when the Japanese invaded.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Hitler’s stated nemesis was jüdischen-internationalen Moskauer Bolschewismus wasn’t it? Then why did he first go to war with the West?

    What was the name of the German-Japanese alliance again?

    Chiang Kai-shek first made alliance with Soviets and CCP in 1926, First United Front. Then severed it in 1927 when it was evident Stalin was using him as a “lemon to be squeezed dry”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_massacre

    Shanghai was yet hotbed for communist subversion in the ’30s. This (((Ukrainian))) Comintern agent was arrested by KMT there in 1931. Albert Einstein and H.G. Wells got involved in his defence.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_Rudnik

    This meeting took in June 1937. Just before that H.H. Kung had met with Göring, it did not go well because Second United Front had been formed between KMT and CCP.

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    This is what Hitler had to say about Aoyama Eijiro the Father of the European Union.

    Hitler wrote in his Zweites Buch, describing him as "Aller welts bastarden (commonplace bastard) Eijiro " and "rootless, cosmopolitan, and elitist half-breed".

    Replies: @AP

    , @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    The "Manchukuo isn't China" and the "You as a Chinese should be angry at RUZZIA for taking Outer Dongbei" crowd are always one and the same. 😂

  872. @Coconuts
    @LatW


    I really wonder if those liberal, academic, Marxist and communist Jews (such as BAP’s grandpa and others in the Western academia and the political class), when they were promoting multi-culturalism, did they ever imagine that their designs would lead to a leftist-Islamic alliance which has essentially turned into an explosive anti-Semitic brew…
     
    The Iranian revolution should have given some hints?

    Revisionist Marxists like Sorel writing early in the 20th century were already saying that Marxism is best understood as a non-rational political myth or vision that should be pursued mainly by force of will, so integrating elements of nationalism and religion into it is not a problem.

    Then multi-culturalism, it can involve the majority culture withdrawing in the face of minority ethnic cultures (these might be more assertive or robust) so reverse integration happens where these cultures draw in and start to influence people from the majority, progressive academics may have supported this as revolutionary forces leading social change. Many ethnic minorities lack the reverential attitude to the Holocaust that started to appear in Anglo and other NW Euro countries after the 1980s.

    You could also see BAP and some of the other characters like Papacito in France (Papacito's parents were activists in the PCF) as inspired by the left-wing counter culture, there was still some virile and individualistic 'punk' attitude in it that doesn't fit with the Feminism and safetyism aspects of it that are now closer to the forefront.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Did you watch the video attached to the tweet?

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  873. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...DNC will run a moderate White guy against him if needed.
     
    How are they going to pull that off? I am really curious, given the Kamala thing, ethnic politics, the wishy-washy nature of all moderate White Dems - it will not be easy. They are running out of time.

    Biden in 2020, his age and obvious incapacity, was a Faustian bargain - an act of desperation. The time has come to pay up, Mephisto is at the door and wants his pound of flesh...so who will tell the Indian woman that her time is up, you know, mulatta served it purpose, mulatta can go now.... It could get ugly.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @RadicalCenter

    The way to get rid of Kamala is to have Biden resign after the Dem primary elections are finished, when he or Newsom or someone else wins enough delegates for the Democrat nomination.

    In that scenario, Kamala would have no opportunity to campaign and compete in the primaries. She’d become president, briefly, but someone else could be the Dems’ presidential nominee.

    I suppose that Dem nominee could pick Kamala as VP again.

    After possibly antagonizing the 300-pound Taneequah voting bloc by shunting aside a sort-of-African VP, the Dems might want to pick another African for VP to make up for it.

    Or the Dems can go the other route and pick a Spanish-speaking Hispanic VP nominee. It’s going to happen eventually, as Africans become much less significant politically and culturally compared to Hispanics and then Asians in the USA.

    Last thought about Kamala: if the Dems want Newsom as their presidential nominee, then constitutionally they cannot have a veep nominee who is also a California resident, like Kamala.

    • Replies: @A123
    @RadicalCenter


    have Biden resign after the Dem primary elections are finished, when he or Newsom or someone else wins enough delegates for the Democrat nomination.
     
    Newsom is not on the ballot, and it is pretty much too late for him to jump in against Not-The-President Biden. His unofficial performance does give him some fundraising and organization, but he is not going run while the incumbent is on the ticket. Presumably, he is mostly looking ahead to 2028.

    The Veggie-in-Chief could decline the DNC 2024 nomination without resigning from his current term. However, it would have made more sense for that to happen months ago if that was the plan. Clearly he is running with the intent to be in the White House for 4 more years. And, there is nothing the DNC can do to shuffle him out.


    After possibly antagonizing the 300-pound Taneequah voting bloc by shunting aside a sort-of-African VP, the Dems might want to pick another African for VP to make up for it.
     
    Not-The-VP Harris was a signal that the next choice will be a PoC female in the top slot. Losing that via an open primary might have been saleable. Not-The-President Biden stepping aside to give the nomination to white male Newsom would blow up the party.

    The calculation is -- If not Harris, what other credible PoC female do they have available? Michelle Obama? Rashida Tlaib? AOC?

    The DNC ran off Tulsi Gabbard, so all their potential selections all come with lots of crazy baggage.


    Last thought about Kamala: if the Dems want Newsom as their presidential nominee, then constitutionally they cannot have a veep nominee who is also a California resident, like Kamala.
     
    I doubt she would accept service under another white male when she believes it is her turn on top. However, stranger things have happened.

    Technically, it is not unconstitutional. The restriction is not being able to obtain California's Electoral College votes. There is an easy way to clear up the issue. As VP candidate, Kamala could easily establish non-California residency before the election. Dick Cheney shifted from Texas to Wyoming, so there is precedent.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

  874. Sher Singh says:
    @silviosilver
    @LatW


    But sometimes he really triggers me with his attitude – but only when he is contemptuous of White societies and looks down on them.
     
    Yes, he has a knack for getting under people's skin. He fully deserves the retribution he receives for this attitude. If it were not for this, I'd never have had any reason to rip into him (or his ethnicity).

    I doubt he is really as contemptuous as he comes off. It's all part of the cope, imo. That's also why I doubt his tough guy pose. It's possible he's a holy terror on the streets, but just as possible he's a complete wimp who'd shit if I simply glared at him. (We can't know, and it's not worth pondering.)


    I also don’t want to be aggressive to a minority (or a brown or “ethnic” individual). I have a natural aversion to hurting minorities (unless they go too far) but you seem much better about that.
     
    I don't address anyone this rudely irl. And I don't think I do it too much on the internet either. There's nothing admirable or heroic (obviously) about the kind of things I say in this regard. (In fact, I understand perfectly why some leftie might get so enraged about it he'd want to put a bullet in my head.) But you know, if someone really wants see what an unflinching view of racial realities as they stand on our planet on looks like, no-holds-barred racial forums are the place to go, and I don't mind taking on the role of that dude who'll give you the unvarnished truth. Which of course means my own ethnicity is fair game too (which it is, and I invite anyone who wants to to have at it). The difference between me and the sikh is I just don't care what anyone says. Also, I have been that "ethnic individual" on numerous occasions growing up, and the Anglo-Saxons of yore were not shy about telling you what they thought of your race (those days, alas, appear to be gone, perhaps never to return), so I don't feel anything like the same pressure you or other people might not to be too rude and crude.

    Btw, I don’t really have issues with his pseudo ultra-trad ideology – as long as he keeps it to his own community. Seems like some kind of an ultra-masculist larp centered on the warrior ethic (which under normal circumstances and if it came from a Euro, I would find appealing).
     
    As much as I might intellectually disagree with it today, for most of my life I found at least some (and more often, a lot) of appeal in it. To take the most extreme example, the Nazis, as much as I've loathed them and feared them and disagreed with them, their program at least made logical sense to me, and sometimes even stirred positive emotions in me. Who knows, it's not certain, but if I were German (or Germanic), I probably would have at least for some part of my life gone all-in on it. It's a complete contrast to Marxism (to say nothing of the loony variants on it of more recent vintage), which has never had any intellectual or emotional (hah) appeal to me whatsoever. For the purposes of establishing baseline leanings ("left" or "right"), this distinction (based on emotional appeal) might be the most potent political litmus test available.

    Replies: @LatW, @Sher Singh, @LatW

    Yes, he has a knack for getting under people’s skin. He fully deserves the retribution he receives for this attitude. If it were not for this, I’d never have had any reason to rip into him (or his ethnicity).

    I doubt he is really as contemptuous as he comes off. It’s all part of the cope, imo. That’s also why I doubt his tough guy pose. It’s possible he’s a holy terror on the streets, but just as possible he’s a complete wimp who’d shit if I simply glared at him.

    I think you forget that the younger gens in Aus/Canada don’t grow up with your experiences.
    We’re rarely going to be outside an ethnic enclave and/or the only minority in the room.

    Furthermore, we’re encouraged to keep our cultures & assimilation is seen as ‘inauthentic’.
    If you knew my personal history or line of work you’d say yea he’s probably a tough guy..

    I don’t feel that I act that way though. I’m extremely flawed & soft/moderate as far as, Sikhs go.

    Btw, I don’t really have issues with his pseudo ultra-trad ideology – as long as he keeps it to his own community.

    I don’t see others as being outside my community just less or more connected.
    Why shouldn’t I try to help those around me & contribute to society?
    Not doing so goes against the roots of Sikhi & will be rejected.

    Unshorn Hair & Weapons is the divine form of masculinity.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Sher Singh

    Unshorn Hair & Weapons is the divine form of masculinity.

    Oh give me a break. How come they rarely pull weapons to assist anyone? I can only think of a single case.

    If you are in trouble the last person you can expect to help is a Sikh driving a cab.

    White woman flagging people for help in the ghetto?

    FLOOR IT AND FIND A BETTER FARE

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    , @LatW
    @Sher Singh


    Unshorn Hair & Weapons is the divine form of masculinity.
     
    There are such ideals in the West, too - just look at Thor (as played by Chris Hemsworth). LOL
    And hundreds of such similar heroes.

    So you're not alone. :)

    Replies: @S

  875. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @German_reader

    Hitler's stated nemesis was jüdischen-internationalen Moskauer Bolschewismus wasn't it? Then why did he first go to war with the West?

    What was the name of the German-Japanese alliance again?

    Chiang Kai-shek first made alliance with Soviets and CCP in 1926, First United Front. Then severed it in 1927 when it was evident Stalin was using him as a "lemon to be squeezed dry"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_massacre

    Shanghai was yet hotbed for communist subversion in the '30s. This (((Ukrainian))) Comintern agent was arrested by KMT there in 1931. Albert Einstein and H.G. Wells got involved in his defence.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Jakob_Rudnik.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_Rudnik

    This meeting took in June 1937. Just before that H.H. Kung had met with Göring, it did not go well because Second United Front had been formed between KMT and CCP.
    https://i.postimg.cc/bwb32KXr/Fv-Am5tca-IAA7e-UR.jpg

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    This is what Hitler had to say about Aoyama Eijiro the Father of the European Union.

    Hitler wrote in his Zweites Buch, describing him as “Aller welts bastarden (commonplace bastard) Eijiro ” and “rootless, cosmopolitan, and elitist half-breed”.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere


    This is what Hitler had to say about Aoyama Eijiro the Father of the European Union.

    Hitler wrote in his Zweites Buch, describing him as “Aller welts bastarden (commonplace bastard) Eijiro ” and “rootless, cosmopolitan, and elitist half-breed”.
     
    Meh, could be worse. Hitler was worse, obviously.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_von_Coudenhove-Kalergi

    Aristocratic in his origins and elitist in his ideas, Coudenhove-Kalergi identified and collaborated with such politicians as Engelbert Dollfuss, Kurt Schuschnigg, Otto von Habsburg, Winston Churchill, and Charles de Gaulle.[9] His ideal political constituent was a gentleman who must respect and protect ladies, a person adhering to honesty, fair play, courtesy, and rational discourse.[10][11] He strove to replace the nationalist German ideal of racial community with the goal of an ethnically heterogeneous European nation based on a commonality of culture[citation needed], a nation whose geniuses were the "great Europeans" such as abbé de Saint-Pierre, Kant, Napoleon, Giuseppe Mazzini, Victor Hugo, and Friedrich Nietzsche...On less guarded occasions he was heard to advocate a revival of Charlemagne's empire"

    :::::::::::::::

    I certainly don't agree with him, but his vision was not nearly as bad as Hitler's.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

  876. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @German_reader

    Hitler's stated nemesis was jüdischen-internationalen Moskauer Bolschewismus wasn't it? Then why did he first go to war with the West?

    What was the name of the German-Japanese alliance again?

    Chiang Kai-shek first made alliance with Soviets and CCP in 1926, First United Front. Then severed it in 1927 when it was evident Stalin was using him as a "lemon to be squeezed dry"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_massacre

    Shanghai was yet hotbed for communist subversion in the '30s. This (((Ukrainian))) Comintern agent was arrested by KMT there in 1931. Albert Einstein and H.G. Wells got involved in his defence.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Jakob_Rudnik.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_Rudnik

    This meeting took in June 1937. Just before that H.H. Kung had met with Göring, it did not go well because Second United Front had been formed between KMT and CCP.
    https://i.postimg.cc/bwb32KXr/Fv-Am5tca-IAA7e-UR.jpg

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    The “Manchukuo isn’t China” and the “You as a Chinese should be angry at RUZZIA for taking Outer Dongbei” crowd are always one and the same. 😂

  877. @Sher Singh
    @silviosilver


    Yes, he has a knack for getting under people’s skin. He fully deserves the retribution he receives for this attitude. If it were not for this, I’d never have had any reason to rip into him (or his ethnicity).

    I doubt he is really as contemptuous as he comes off. It’s all part of the cope, imo. That’s also why I doubt his tough guy pose. It’s possible he’s a holy terror on the streets, but just as possible he’s a complete wimp who’d shit if I simply glared at him.
     

    I think you forget that the younger gens in Aus/Canada don't grow up with your experiences.
    We're rarely going to be outside an ethnic enclave and/or the only minority in the room.

    Furthermore, we're encouraged to keep our cultures & assimilation is seen as 'inauthentic'.
    If you knew my personal history or line of work you'd say yea he's probably a tough guy..

    I don't feel that I act that way though. I'm extremely flawed & soft/moderate as far as, Sikhs go.


    Btw, I don’t really have issues with his pseudo ultra-trad ideology – as long as he keeps it to his own community.
     
    I don't see others as being outside my community just less or more connected.
    Why shouldn't I try to help those around me & contribute to society?
    Not doing so goes against the roots of Sikhi & will be rejected.

    Unshorn Hair & Weapons is the divine form of masculinity.


    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @John Johnson, @LatW

    Unshorn Hair & Weapons is the divine form of masculinity.

    Oh give me a break. How come they rarely pull weapons to assist anyone? I can only think of a single case.

    If you are in trouble the last person you can expect to help is a Sikh driving a cab.

    White woman flagging people for help in the ghetto?

    FLOOR IT AND FIND A BETTER FARE

    • LOL: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @John Johnson

    Not sure, hatred of mud sharks?

  878. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...The fact that evil Russians are the target make it even more palatable to the EU.
     
    The fact that you write something so stupid is the real issue. But have at it while you can, I can already see the decades of awkward apologia in the future. If we make it that far...

    There will not be nukes in Ukraine. If they get (and use) a dirty bomb they will become a bigger Chernobyl. You know that, so stop hallucinating. And EU-US will not support Kiev getting nukes - they are pretty stupid, but not mad. Yet.


    Ukraine would not be granted the Finland or Austria solutions of neutrality with respect to NATO, but also EU.
     
    Not after Finland made its military alliance official...:) Many things were possible before 2022 or 2014. But today the only way to get there is for Kiev to win the war - and decisively. Since no rational observer thinks that is possible, these are only empty dreams by the losing side that over-reached.

    The Kiev offensive was nat a "pause", it failed. The losses were huge - you argue that not "70k", well so how many? 30k? 50k? or maybe only 10k? Was that worth it?

    Replies: @AP

    …The fact that evil Russians are the target make it even more palatable to the EU.

    The fact that you write something so stupid is the real issue

    You disagree that the EU doesn’t care about ethnic Russians and that the EU looks the other way in the Baltics?

    How stupid are you?

    And I suspect you were writing something different before. Were you lying then, or lying now?

    There will not be nukes in Ukraine.

    Kind of like none in Israel, Pakistan or North Korea.

    Ukraine will see to its own security. If it doesn’t get it through NATO membership it will get its own deterrent. And it will be easy for Ukraine to do – Ukraine has plenty of nuclear material, scientists, and is motivated to defend itself. It won’t have to tell anyone until it is too late.

    If they get (and use) a dirty bomb they will become a bigger Chernobyl

    Ukraine has the expertise not only for a dirty bomb but for a small bomb with an actual nuclear reaction.

    It may have one now, but if not it can be created fairly quickly.

    But most likely it will mount a small bomb on a missile. Maybe even a drone – technology moves fast.

    And EU-US will not support Kiev getting nukes

    Poland and the Baltics support Ukraine having nukes. They will look the other way. Ukraine would be happy for other security guarantees such as NATO membership, would even prefer them, but will do what it has to do to protect itself. You are kidding yourself if you think Ukraine will allow itself to be exposed again.

    Ukraine would not be granted the Finland or Austria solutions of neutrality with respect to NATO, but also EU.

    Not after Finland made its military alliance official…:)

    Wishful thinking by you.

    The Kiev offensive was nat a “pause”, it failed.

    This cannot be determined for another year. So far, it is paused. It was started, and stopped when the Ukrainians realized the mine fields and trenches were too extensive. It was stopped before the Ukrainian lost many soldiers or much equipment.

    The losses were huge – you argue that not “70k”

    I don’t argue anything.

    You lied when you wrote:

    “Are you claiming that no troops were lost in the offensive? US-UK say officially that 70k Ukie soldiers died.”

    US-UK officials officially say that 70k Ukrainians have died in the entire war.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-war-estimated-casualties-1.6940723

    Russia’s military casualties are approaching 300,000, including as many as 120,000 deaths and 170,000 to 180,000 injuries, the newspaper reported. Ukrainian deaths were close to 70,000, with 100,000 to 120,000 wounded, it added.

    You lied and claimed that they said this about the southern offensive.

    If you were winning any arguments, you wouldn’t have to resort to lying.

    Why so desperate, Beckow?

    ell so how many? 30k? 50k? or maybe only 10k? Was that worth it?

    I don’t know. Probably lower than any of the numbers you posted.

    It is worth trying to liberate 100,000s of one’s own citizens.

    You wouldn’t understand that.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @AP

    Ukraine will see to its own security. If it doesn’t get it through NATO membership it will get its own deterrent. And it will be easy for Ukraine to do – Ukraine has plenty of nuclear material, scientists, and is motivated to defend itself. It won’t have to tell anyone until it is too late.

    They won't need nukes or NATO.

    The next-gen drone plans are insane. Imagine if 100k anti-armor drones had come to greet the 40 mile Russian column. Every drone being capable of destroying a tank and all are capable of finding their own targets in hunter mode.

    Or imagine if Ukraine started with 50k Turkish type drones but with longer range and a wider attack area against infantry. Constant cluster attacks against invading infantry by women using video game controllers in a comfy office. Then even if they somehow get past the attacks from above there will be drones planting mines based on sat data.

    This was Russia's last chance at taking Ukraine. A conventional invasion simply won't work in 10 years. The drones will be too effective and cheaper to produce. They can hide in unassuming places while waiting for instructions. No need to build obvious runways or military depots. Some will be solar powered with indefinite range.

    This was the last chance to eliminate the Ukrainian identity and add them to the empire. Putin may well get a chunk of Ukraine but it won't be worth the price. In 15-20 years it could even go back. A future leader may decide to give the land back as a form of restitution. There is no reason to assume business will return to normal if the current lines are drawn. Russia could go through their own Weimar period that could very well end with a reformer giving back the land and declaring the Putin era to be a great shame. Unthinkable to modern Russians but it was also once unthinkable to Germans that they would lose East Prussia thanks to an angry dictator.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ, @LatW

    , @Beckow
    @AP

    You are losing it: threatening nuclear war on Russia, celebrating that EU also hates the evil Russians (your words), unable to accept that there is no "paused" offensive, it simply failed. And the numbers, my god, your numbers: according to you less than 10k Ukies died in the failed offensive? Riiight. They are all supermen.

    Western estimates are politicised, they try to soften the blow for Kiev. The reality is much worse. The casualty ratio is also heavily in favor of Russia. But if you sleep better thinking of "dead Russians" we shouldn't take it from you. This must be hard.

    Yeah, maybe they will all die, all the "evil Russians". I recall your hatred that only half a million Soviets died liberating Poland - you wanted them all dead. Then you could pretend that it was Canadians who liberated Poland.

    These traumas you go through are bad for you. Nukes? Really? And you don't think Russia would wipe them out no matter what the cost? Are you so mad and hateful that you would want to see the poor remaining Ukies to be nuked in a response?

    Replies: @AP

  879. @QCIC
    @AP

    Most Ukrainians who can make a nuclear weapon probably left a long time ago. In fact some may have helped North Korea (with rockets, too). Ukraine could have made a dirty bomb since the beginning and with Chernobyl might be the least likely to do this.

    Since you want to kill a bunch of Russians and apparently also get most Ukrainians killed in the process, what is the latest on US-funded bioweapons laboratories in Ukraine?

    Replies: @AP

    Most Ukrainians who can make a nuclear weapon probably left a long time ago.

    You mean the ones who are still designing and improving Ukrainian missiles and making new Ukrainian drones? The ones running Ukraine’s several nuclear power plants?

    Since you want to kill a bunch of Russians

    I do not. I understand that you have filled your head with all sorts of fantasies – of biolabs, of Russia being the victim rather than the aggressor – but please leave me out of them. You are a rather bloodthirsty creature.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    Your position on Ukraine is easy to understand and I am partially sympathetic to it.

    My position on the West versus Russia seems to be permanently hidden from your view. Most people of your "station" would have fully understood my position in 1990, even the uber-hawks on all sides. They might not have agreed with it but would have recognized it as a valid and significant position worthy of consideration by serious people. Thirty five years of propaganda combined with the ravages of time have left people such as yourself unable to even see the points I am making.

    I believe > 95% of the superstar engineers have left Ukraine. The Soviet-trained professionals could have done the drone and cruise missile work you mention in their sleep. The most interesting post-USSR Ukrainian aerospace developments I know of include the An-178 aircraft variant and the afterburning variant of the AI-322 turbofan (developed for China). These are both based on Soviet precursors but nice work was done post 1990. Two others are the Antares rocket first stage (probably based on the Zenit) which which uses a Russian engine and the Vega upper stage which uses a Ukrainian engine.

  880. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    This is what Hitler had to say about Aoyama Eijiro the Father of the European Union.

    Hitler wrote in his Zweites Buch, describing him as "Aller welts bastarden (commonplace bastard) Eijiro " and "rootless, cosmopolitan, and elitist half-breed".

    Replies: @AP

    This is what Hitler had to say about Aoyama Eijiro the Father of the European Union.

    Hitler wrote in his Zweites Buch, describing him as “Aller welts bastarden (commonplace bastard) Eijiro ” and “rootless, cosmopolitan, and elitist half-breed”.

    Meh, could be worse. Hitler was worse, obviously.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_von_Coudenhove-Kalergi

    Aristocratic in his origins and elitist in his ideas, Coudenhove-Kalergi identified and collaborated with such politicians as Engelbert Dollfuss, Kurt Schuschnigg, Otto von Habsburg, Winston Churchill, and Charles de Gaulle.[9] His ideal political constituent was a gentleman who must respect and protect ladies, a person adhering to honesty, fair play, courtesy, and rational discourse.[10][11] He strove to replace the nationalist German ideal of racial community with the goal of an ethnically heterogeneous European nation based on a commonality of culture[citation needed], a nation whose geniuses were the “great Europeans” such as abbé de Saint-Pierre, Kant, Napoleon, Giuseppe Mazzini, Victor Hugo, and Friedrich Nietzsche…On less guarded occasions he was heard to advocate a revival of Charlemagne’s empire”

    :::::::::::::::

    I certainly don’t agree with him, but his vision was not nearly as bad as Hitler’s.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Aristocratic in his origins and elitist in his ideas, Coudenhove-Kalergi identified and collaborated with such politicians as Engelbert Dollfuss, Kurt Schuschnigg, Otto von Habsburg, Winston Churchill, and Charles de Gaulle.[9] His ideal political constituent was a gentleman who must respect and protect ladies, a person adhering to honesty, fair play, courtesy, and rational discourse.[10][11] He strove to replace the nationalist German ideal of racial community with the goal of an ethnically heterogeneous European nation based on a commonality of culture[citation needed], a nation whose geniuses were the “great Europeans” such as abbé de Saint-Pierre, Kant, Napoleon, Giuseppe Mazzini, Victor Hugo, and Friedrich Nietzsche…On less guarded occasions he was heard to advocate a revival of Charlemagne’s empire”

    :::::::::::::::

    I certainly don’t agree with him, but his vision was not nearly as bad as Hitler’s.
     
    What exactly is so bad about his EU vision? It sounds great if you ask me!

    Replies: @AP

    , @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @AP


    I certainly don’t agree with him, but his vision was not nearly as bad as Hitler’s.
     
    Class consciousness over Racial consciousness, now that is a controversial take to have here at The Former Republic of Karlinstan.

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQiHxZFct6x8GS8SXFP_TbTIzZMFGGLjj6VJw&usqp.jpg

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  881. @AP
    @Beckow


    …The fact that evil Russians are the target make it even more palatable to the EU.

    The fact that you write something so stupid is the real issue
     
    You disagree that the EU doesn't care about ethnic Russians and that the EU looks the other way in the Baltics?

    How stupid are you?

    And I suspect you were writing something different before. Were you lying then, or lying now?

    There will not be nukes in Ukraine.
     
    Kind of like none in Israel, Pakistan or North Korea.

    Ukraine will see to its own security. If it doesn't get it through NATO membership it will get its own deterrent. And it will be easy for Ukraine to do - Ukraine has plenty of nuclear material, scientists, and is motivated to defend itself. It won't have to tell anyone until it is too late.

    If they get (and use) a dirty bomb they will become a bigger Chernobyl
     
    Ukraine has the expertise not only for a dirty bomb but for a small bomb with an actual nuclear reaction.

    It may have one now, but if not it can be created fairly quickly.

    But most likely it will mount a small bomb on a missile. Maybe even a drone - technology moves fast.

    And EU-US will not support Kiev getting nukes
     
    Poland and the Baltics support Ukraine having nukes. They will look the other way. Ukraine would be happy for other security guarantees such as NATO membership, would even prefer them, but will do what it has to do to protect itself. You are kidding yourself if you think Ukraine will allow itself to be exposed again.

    Ukraine would not be granted the Finland or Austria solutions of neutrality with respect to NATO, but also EU.

    Not after Finland made its military alliance official…:)
     
    Wishful thinking by you.

    The Kiev offensive was nat a “pause”, it failed.
     
    This cannot be determined for another year. So far, it is paused. It was started, and stopped when the Ukrainians realized the mine fields and trenches were too extensive. It was stopped before the Ukrainian lost many soldiers or much equipment.

    The losses were huge – you argue that not “70k”
     
    I don't argue anything.

    You lied when you wrote:

    "Are you claiming that no troops were lost in the offensive? US-UK say officially that 70k Ukie soldiers died."

    US-UK officials officially say that 70k Ukrainians have died in the entire war.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-war-estimated-casualties-1.6940723

    Russia's military casualties are approaching 300,000, including as many as 120,000 deaths and 170,000 to 180,000 injuries, the newspaper reported. Ukrainian deaths were close to 70,000, with 100,000 to 120,000 wounded, it added.

    You lied and claimed that they said this about the southern offensive.

    If you were winning any arguments, you wouldn't have to resort to lying.

    Why so desperate, Beckow?

    ell so how many? 30k? 50k? or maybe only 10k? Was that worth it?
     
    I don't know. Probably lower than any of the numbers you posted.

    It is worth trying to liberate 100,000s of one's own citizens.

    You wouldn't understand that.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Beckow

    Ukraine will see to its own security. If it doesn’t get it through NATO membership it will get its own deterrent. And it will be easy for Ukraine to do – Ukraine has plenty of nuclear material, scientists, and is motivated to defend itself. It won’t have to tell anyone until it is too late.

    They won’t need nukes or NATO.

    The next-gen drone plans are insane. Imagine if 100k anti-armor drones had come to greet the 40 mile Russian column. Every drone being capable of destroying a tank and all are capable of finding their own targets in hunter mode.

    Or imagine if Ukraine started with 50k Turkish type drones but with longer range and a wider attack area against infantry. Constant cluster attacks against invading infantry by women using video game controllers in a comfy office. Then even if they somehow get past the attacks from above there will be drones planting mines based on sat data.

    This was Russia’s last chance at taking Ukraine. A conventional invasion simply won’t work in 10 years. The drones will be too effective and cheaper to produce. They can hide in unassuming places while waiting for instructions. No need to build obvious runways or military depots. Some will be solar powered with indefinite range.

    This was the last chance to eliminate the Ukrainian identity and add them to the empire. Putin may well get a chunk of Ukraine but it won’t be worth the price. In 15-20 years it could even go back. A future leader may decide to give the land back as a form of restitution. There is no reason to assume business will return to normal if the current lines are drawn. Russia could go through their own Weimar period that could very well end with a reformer giving back the land and declaring the Putin era to be a great shame. Unthinkable to modern Russians but it was also once unthinkable to Germans that they would lose East Prussia thanks to an angry dictator.

    • Agree: LatW
    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @AP
    @John Johnson


    They won’t need nukes or NATO.

    The next-gen drone plans are insane. Imagine if 100k anti-armor drones had come to greet the 40 mile Russian column. Every drone being capable of destroying a tank and all are capable of finding their own targets in hunter mode.

    Or imagine if Ukraine started with 50k Turkish type drones but with longer range and a wider attack area against infantry. Constant cluster attacks against invading infantry by women using video game controllers in a comfy office. Then even if they somehow get past the attacks from above there will be drones planting mines based on sat data.
     
    Good point, if it pans out (and it is likely to).
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    This was the last chance to eliminate the Ukrainian identity and add them to the empire. Putin may well get a chunk of Ukraine but it won’t be worth the price. In 15-20 years it could even go back. A future leader may decide to give the land back as a form of restitution. There is no reason to assume business will return to normal if the current lines are drawn. Russia could go through their own Weimar period that could very well end with a reformer giving back the land and declaring the Putin era to be a great shame. Unthinkable to modern Russians but it was also once unthinkable to Germans that they would lose East Prussia thanks to an angry dictator.
     
    Yeah, the Germans who whined and moaned about the Polish Corridor being intolerable failed to realize that if Germany will spark another World War and lose it, then it could end up losing much, much more territory up to the point that Germany's Weimar-era borders are going to look like a godsend by comparison. I could understand Germans being pissed off about Danzig, and maybe eventually a deal could have been reached in regards to this and in regards to an extraterritorial elevated German road over the Polish Corridor as well (albeit not in the 1930s), but ultimately, these things weren't worth sparking a new World War over by any means.

    IIRC, Alexei Navalny has even said after Russia's 2022 invasion of Ukraine in a Washington Post op-ed that Russia should also give back Crimea to Ukraine. He also advocated in favor of liberalizing and democratic reforms within Russia.
    , @LatW
    @John Johnson


    The next-gen drone plans are insane.
     
    This might actually be the "technological breakthrough" that Zaluzhniy was looking for (he mentions drones in his article). Btw, an advanced drone program might even be cheaper long term than maintaining a nuclear deterrent. These technologies need to be restricted for Western use only (but the West should also support Ukraine permanently).

    Russia could go through their own Weimar period
     
    Some say that the US (and other Western powers) fear this, that they do not want a strategic defeat by Russia in Ukraine (this explains the slow trickle of weapons and all the backdoor communication between US and Russia). But this could happen, independent of the West's desires, if Russia indeed experiences such a "Weimar period" due to war fatigue. And, let me tell you, these recent stories about how "Putin is dead" and "Patrushev is really in charge" are quite persistent. I dismissed them as some psychological media operation but what if they're really true?

    There are signs that they want to stop fighting, but they want to keep the current lines. The women have finally begun complaining about the deaths and about the lack of rotation of the troops. Those cluster bombs are also pretty savage in action (arteries get ripped up and one bleeds out very quickly).

    The generation of men born in the 1990s is small. The country is full of older women. Do we even know how many people really live there and how many are able bodies males under 40 or so? They say their mobilization reserved could be up to 10-15 million, but a lot of those people are also needed in the labor market.

    It's a large and a relatively rugged nation but it remains to be seen how much stamina they really have. What's happening is really brutal, even by their standards.

  882. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    He stays away from facts like IMF reports indicating the Russian economy has done better than German’s and the UK since 2/24/22. It’s not like the situation in the US has noticeably improved within that time frame.

    I really don't care about German inflation anymore than the price of German sausage.

    They are not currently involved in a violent war against their neighbor and dragging down the world economy.

    We don't know the actual state of the Russian economy and that is relevant to the war.

    Putin could be sitting on much worse economic problems than he is admitting.

    They have raised interest rates 4 times this year. Clearly they have an inflation problem and Russia is currently claiming 6.7% in October. Not sure why anyone would believe that number given how much Russia has lied in the past two years.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Keep believing BS which EU and IMF sources differ. You can be sure that CNN, PBS, NPR, BBC et al would be running doom and gloom feature on the Russian economy’s decline were it true.

    Once again, Russia gave ample time for peace. It then engaged in a limited military operation which got the Kiev regime to the negotiating table with an agreement about to be reached. The evidence on who thwarted that and why is clear and is best summed up by Lindsey Graham.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Keep believing BS which EU and IMF sources differ. You can be sure that CNN, PBS, NPR, BBC et al would be running doom and gloom feature on the Russian economy’s decline were it true.

    I haven't cited those outlets as sources.

    I said the actual inflation rate is unknown and most likely higher given Putin's credibility.

    Given Putin's history of lying it is pretty safe to double any figure given by Russia that they would like to be low.

    They lied about casualties early in the war and to this date have not given an accurate number.

    Once again, Russia gave ample time for peace. It then engaged in a limited military operation which got the Kiev regime to the negotiating table with an agreement about to be reached.

    Why didn't they send an ultimatum before invading? Why did they cut diplomatic ties if the goal was to negotiate?

    Will you go on record and state that they did not plan on adding Ukraine to the empire? Just wondering if we can get you to do that.

    Does Putin plan on making LPR/DPR independent states as promised? Or they being added to the empire?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

  883. @John Johnson
    @Sher Singh

    Unshorn Hair & Weapons is the divine form of masculinity.

    Oh give me a break. How come they rarely pull weapons to assist anyone? I can only think of a single case.

    If you are in trouble the last person you can expect to help is a Sikh driving a cab.

    White woman flagging people for help in the ghetto?

    FLOOR IT AND FIND A BETTER FARE

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Not sure, hatred of mud sharks?

  884. @AP
    @Beckow


    …The fact that evil Russians are the target make it even more palatable to the EU.

    The fact that you write something so stupid is the real issue
     
    You disagree that the EU doesn't care about ethnic Russians and that the EU looks the other way in the Baltics?

    How stupid are you?

    And I suspect you were writing something different before. Were you lying then, or lying now?

    There will not be nukes in Ukraine.
     
    Kind of like none in Israel, Pakistan or North Korea.

    Ukraine will see to its own security. If it doesn't get it through NATO membership it will get its own deterrent. And it will be easy for Ukraine to do - Ukraine has plenty of nuclear material, scientists, and is motivated to defend itself. It won't have to tell anyone until it is too late.

    If they get (and use) a dirty bomb they will become a bigger Chernobyl
     
    Ukraine has the expertise not only for a dirty bomb but for a small bomb with an actual nuclear reaction.

    It may have one now, but if not it can be created fairly quickly.

    But most likely it will mount a small bomb on a missile. Maybe even a drone - technology moves fast.

    And EU-US will not support Kiev getting nukes
     
    Poland and the Baltics support Ukraine having nukes. They will look the other way. Ukraine would be happy for other security guarantees such as NATO membership, would even prefer them, but will do what it has to do to protect itself. You are kidding yourself if you think Ukraine will allow itself to be exposed again.

    Ukraine would not be granted the Finland or Austria solutions of neutrality with respect to NATO, but also EU.

    Not after Finland made its military alliance official…:)
     
    Wishful thinking by you.

    The Kiev offensive was nat a “pause”, it failed.
     
    This cannot be determined for another year. So far, it is paused. It was started, and stopped when the Ukrainians realized the mine fields and trenches were too extensive. It was stopped before the Ukrainian lost many soldiers or much equipment.

    The losses were huge – you argue that not “70k”
     
    I don't argue anything.

    You lied when you wrote:

    "Are you claiming that no troops were lost in the offensive? US-UK say officially that 70k Ukie soldiers died."

    US-UK officials officially say that 70k Ukrainians have died in the entire war.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-war-estimated-casualties-1.6940723

    Russia's military casualties are approaching 300,000, including as many as 120,000 deaths and 170,000 to 180,000 injuries, the newspaper reported. Ukrainian deaths were close to 70,000, with 100,000 to 120,000 wounded, it added.

    You lied and claimed that they said this about the southern offensive.

    If you were winning any arguments, you wouldn't have to resort to lying.

    Why so desperate, Beckow?

    ell so how many? 30k? 50k? or maybe only 10k? Was that worth it?
     
    I don't know. Probably lower than any of the numbers you posted.

    It is worth trying to liberate 100,000s of one's own citizens.

    You wouldn't understand that.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Beckow

    You are losing it: threatening nuclear war on Russia, celebrating that EU also hates the evil Russians (your words), unable to accept that there is no “paused” offensive, it simply failed. And the numbers, my god, your numbers: according to you less than 10k Ukies died in the failed offensive? Riiight. They are all supermen.

    Western estimates are politicised, they try to soften the blow for Kiev. The reality is much worse. The casualty ratio is also heavily in favor of Russia. But if you sleep better thinking of “dead Russians” we shouldn’t take it from you. This must be hard.

    Yeah, maybe they will all die, all the “evil Russians”. I recall your hatred that only half a million Soviets died liberating Poland – you wanted them all dead. Then you could pretend that it was Canadians who liberated Poland.

    These traumas you go through are bad for you. Nukes? Really? And you don’t think Russia would wipe them out no matter what the cost? Are you so mad and hateful that you would want to see the poor remaining Ukies to be nuked in a response?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    You are losing it: threatening nuclear war on Russia,
     
    Just describing a strong possiblity. It would be a deterrent, not a suicidal act.

    Are you suggesting that Russia would force a nuclear retaliation by attacking a nuclear-armed Ukraine?

    celebrating that EU also hates the evil Russians (your words),
     
    Yes, that is how the Russians are viewed in the EU.

    Do you disagree?

    unable to accept that there is no “paused” offensive
     
    If an offensive stops because the invading side has run out of troops and equipment that had been assigned to it, it has lost.

    This one has been paused, because Ukraine has retained most of the men and equipment slated for it. Ukraine can renew it under improved conditions (such as, further Russian attrition, new weapons coming on-line, etc.) because it has not been defeated.

    This is quite simple. Your trying to twist it into something else speaks to your desperation.

    And the numbers, my god, your numbers: according to you less than 10k Ukies died in the failed offensive?
     
    It is likely, though I wouldn't exclude a number of 10k either.

    Are you one of the idiots who believes that Ukraine has lost 300,000 killed in this war?

    You were, after all, stupid enough to believe that 70,000 were killed during the summer offensive.

    Or maybe you are just bad at numbers. Slovak kids are worse than US Latinos at math, perhaps that explains it.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-new-2018-pisa-school-test-scores-usa-usa/

    I recall your hatred that only half a million Soviets died liberating Poland
     
    The only one full of hatred is you. You like the Russians, who kill Slavs.

    Nukes? Really? And you don’t think Russia would wipe them out no matter what the cost?
     
    Has America wiped out North Korea?

    Are you suggesting that Russia is even more aggressive than the USA?

    Russia would not get itself nuked by invading a nuke-armed Ukraine.

    Are you so mad and hateful that you would want to see the poor remaining Ukies to be nuked in a response?
     
    The nice thing about nukes is that they deter war and aggression. They have kept North Korea safe, and have limited India-Pakistan conflicts. And they prevented World War III.

    If Ukraine had kept its nukes or had acquired new ones, Russia would not have invaded and 100,000s of lives would have been spared. You have a problem with that?

    Why are you desperate for war, Beckow? Have not enough East Slavs been killed to your liking? Is it an expression of your anti-Slav Magyar influence? Whether it be Nazis, Communists, or Magyars, or Putin, you are the side that kills Slavs. You should examine yourself.

    Replies: @Beckow

  885. @RadicalCenter
    @Beckow

    The way to get rid of Kamala is to have Biden resign after the Dem primary elections are finished, when he or Newsom or someone else wins enough delegates for the Democrat nomination.

    In that scenario, Kamala would have no opportunity to campaign and compete in the primaries. She’d become president, briefly, but someone else could be the Dems’ presidential nominee.

    I suppose that Dem nominee could pick Kamala as VP again.

    After possibly antagonizing the 300-pound Taneequah voting bloc by shunting aside a sort-of-African VP, the Dems might want to pick another African for VP to make up for it.

    Or the Dems can go the other route and pick a Spanish-speaking Hispanic VP nominee. It’s going to happen eventually, as Africans become much less significant politically and culturally compared to Hispanics and then Asians in the USA.

    Last thought about Kamala: if the Dems want Newsom as their presidential nominee, then constitutionally they cannot have a veep nominee who is also a California resident, like Kamala.

    Replies: @A123

    have Biden resign after the Dem primary elections are finished, when he or Newsom or someone else wins enough delegates for the Democrat nomination.

    Newsom is not on the ballot, and it is pretty much too late for him to jump in against Not-The-President Biden. His unofficial performance does give him some fundraising and organization, but he is not going run while the incumbent is on the ticket. Presumably, he is mostly looking ahead to 2028.

    The Veggie-in-Chief could decline the DNC 2024 nomination without resigning from his current term. However, it would have made more sense for that to happen months ago if that was the plan. Clearly he is running with the intent to be in the White House for 4 more years. And, there is nothing the DNC can do to shuffle him out.

    After possibly antagonizing the 300-pound Taneequah voting bloc by shunting aside a sort-of-African VP, the Dems might want to pick another African for VP to make up for it.

    Not-The-VP Harris was a signal that the next choice will be a PoC female in the top slot. Losing that via an open primary might have been saleable. Not-The-President Biden stepping aside to give the nomination to white male Newsom would blow up the party.

    The calculation is — If not Harris, what other credible PoC female do they have available? Michelle Obama? Rashida Tlaib? AOC?

    The DNC ran off Tulsi Gabbard, so all their potential selections all come with lots of crazy baggage.

    Last thought about Kamala: if the Dems want Newsom as their presidential nominee, then constitutionally they cannot have a veep nominee who is also a California resident, like Kamala.

    I doubt she would accept service under another white male when she believes it is her turn on top. However, stranger things have happened.

    Technically, it is not unconstitutional. The restriction is not being able to obtain California’s Electoral College votes. There is an easy way to clear up the issue. As VP candidate, Kamala could easily establish non-California residency before the election. Dick Cheney shifted from Texas to Wyoming, so there is precedent.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    The Veggie-in-Chief could decline the DNC 2024 nomination without resigning from his current term. However, it would have made more sense for that to happen months ago if that was the plan.

    It would make sense under normal conditions.

    Because of the war he may plan on announcing his retirement at the last minute.

    The calculation is — If not Harris, what other credible PoC female do they have available? Michelle Obama? Rashida Tlaib? AOC?

    Hiring a POC female is not the main goal. Keeping out Trump is the main goal. That was also true in the last election. Democrat voters to not want to risk another Trump presidency for diversity points.

    I doubt she would accept service under another white male when she believes it is her turn on top.

    Harris knows that she is out of her league. That is in part what makes this a difficult and abnormal situation for the Democrats.

    If Biden falls down some air force stairs then Harris becomes president. But that isn't a success for the minorities first crowd as one might assume.

    This is because Harris is so incredibly terrible. She would make a constant mockery of affirmative action.

    She was somehow pre-parodied by the show VP
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-Pg1nNL5wVE?feature=share

    Read the comments. Everyone hates her and that includes Democrats.

    Replies: @A123

  886. @AP
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere


    This is what Hitler had to say about Aoyama Eijiro the Father of the European Union.

    Hitler wrote in his Zweites Buch, describing him as “Aller welts bastarden (commonplace bastard) Eijiro ” and “rootless, cosmopolitan, and elitist half-breed”.
     
    Meh, could be worse. Hitler was worse, obviously.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_von_Coudenhove-Kalergi

    Aristocratic in his origins and elitist in his ideas, Coudenhove-Kalergi identified and collaborated with such politicians as Engelbert Dollfuss, Kurt Schuschnigg, Otto von Habsburg, Winston Churchill, and Charles de Gaulle.[9] His ideal political constituent was a gentleman who must respect and protect ladies, a person adhering to honesty, fair play, courtesy, and rational discourse.[10][11] He strove to replace the nationalist German ideal of racial community with the goal of an ethnically heterogeneous European nation based on a commonality of culture[citation needed], a nation whose geniuses were the "great Europeans" such as abbé de Saint-Pierre, Kant, Napoleon, Giuseppe Mazzini, Victor Hugo, and Friedrich Nietzsche...On less guarded occasions he was heard to advocate a revival of Charlemagne's empire"

    :::::::::::::::

    I certainly don't agree with him, but his vision was not nearly as bad as Hitler's.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Aristocratic in his origins and elitist in his ideas, Coudenhove-Kalergi identified and collaborated with such politicians as Engelbert Dollfuss, Kurt Schuschnigg, Otto von Habsburg, Winston Churchill, and Charles de Gaulle.[9] His ideal political constituent was a gentleman who must respect and protect ladies, a person adhering to honesty, fair play, courtesy, and rational discourse.[10][11] He strove to replace the nationalist German ideal of racial community with the goal of an ethnically heterogeneous European nation based on a commonality of culture[citation needed], a nation whose geniuses were the “great Europeans” such as abbé de Saint-Pierre, Kant, Napoleon, Giuseppe Mazzini, Victor Hugo, and Friedrich Nietzsche…On less guarded occasions he was heard to advocate a revival of Charlemagne’s empire”

    :::::::::::::::

    I certainly don’t agree with him, but his vision was not nearly as bad as Hitler’s.

    What exactly is so bad about his EU vision? It sounds great if you ask me!

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    What exactly is so bad about his EU vision? It sounds great if you ask me!
     
    It seems that he wanted to wipe out each European country's particular culture and produce a pan-European one.

    That would be very sad.

    Though, not nearly as bad as wiping out Slavs and Jews while creating a pan-German homeland.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @silviosilver

  887. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    Then Russia annexed Manchuria and refused to vacate
     
    The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.



    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8C%D1%87%D0%B6%D1%83%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F.jpg/927px-%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8C%D1%87%D0%B6%D1%83%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F.jpg





    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTnlGVEIbEURcjNdIvZmbYLjr7nPNFfFYQaHg&usqp.jpg

    Both amazing cities!

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/%D0%AE%D0%B6%D0%BD%D0%BE_%D0%A1%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B6.jpg

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    And merely 24 years later at the same spot. Except this time it’s China not Japan that backs up Czechoslovakia.

    The People’s Republic of China objected furiously to the so-called Brezhnev Doctrine, which declared the Soviet Union alone had the right to determine what nations were properly Communist and could invade those Communist nations whose communism did not meet the Kremlin’s approval.[5]

    Mao Zedong saw the Brezhnev doctrine as the ideological justification for a would-be Soviet invasion of China and launched a massive propaganda campaign condemning the invasion of Czechoslovakia, despite his own earlier opposition to the Prague Spring.[95]

    Speaking at a banquet held at the Romanian Embassy in Beijing on 23 August 1968, the Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai denounced the Soviet Union for “fascist politics, great power chauvinism, national egoism and social imperialism”, going on to compare the invasion of Czechoslovakia to the American war in Vietnam and more pointedly to the policies of Adolf Hitler towards Czechoslovakia in 1938–39.[5]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact_invasion_of_Czechoslovakia


    The Soviet T-62 tank that was captured by the Chinese during the 1969 clash is now on display at the Military Museum of the Chinese People’s Revolution.

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    https://news.usni.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Screenshot-2023-06-06-at-4.35.30-PM.png


    https://news.usni.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/My-project-1-22-945x630.jpg



    https://news.usni.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Screenshot-2023-06-09-at-2.48.58-PM.png


    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQq--09xx7AHosQUpM4nIhF0Sy-Y3h1bt_S9Q&usqp.jpg

  888. @AP
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere


    This is what Hitler had to say about Aoyama Eijiro the Father of the European Union.

    Hitler wrote in his Zweites Buch, describing him as “Aller welts bastarden (commonplace bastard) Eijiro ” and “rootless, cosmopolitan, and elitist half-breed”.
     
    Meh, could be worse. Hitler was worse, obviously.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_von_Coudenhove-Kalergi

    Aristocratic in his origins and elitist in his ideas, Coudenhove-Kalergi identified and collaborated with such politicians as Engelbert Dollfuss, Kurt Schuschnigg, Otto von Habsburg, Winston Churchill, and Charles de Gaulle.[9] His ideal political constituent was a gentleman who must respect and protect ladies, a person adhering to honesty, fair play, courtesy, and rational discourse.[10][11] He strove to replace the nationalist German ideal of racial community with the goal of an ethnically heterogeneous European nation based on a commonality of culture[citation needed], a nation whose geniuses were the "great Europeans" such as abbé de Saint-Pierre, Kant, Napoleon, Giuseppe Mazzini, Victor Hugo, and Friedrich Nietzsche...On less guarded occasions he was heard to advocate a revival of Charlemagne's empire"

    :::::::::::::::

    I certainly don't agree with him, but his vision was not nearly as bad as Hitler's.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    I certainly don’t agree with him, but his vision was not nearly as bad as Hitler’s.

    Class consciousness over Racial consciousness, now that is a controversial take to have here at The Former Republic of Karlinstan.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Is there one single non-rootless-Cosmopolitan remaining?

    Bug men of the world unite!

    I can count one. Barbarossa. One.

  889. @Beckow
    @AP

    You are losing it: threatening nuclear war on Russia, celebrating that EU also hates the evil Russians (your words), unable to accept that there is no "paused" offensive, it simply failed. And the numbers, my god, your numbers: according to you less than 10k Ukies died in the failed offensive? Riiight. They are all supermen.

    Western estimates are politicised, they try to soften the blow for Kiev. The reality is much worse. The casualty ratio is also heavily in favor of Russia. But if you sleep better thinking of "dead Russians" we shouldn't take it from you. This must be hard.

    Yeah, maybe they will all die, all the "evil Russians". I recall your hatred that only half a million Soviets died liberating Poland - you wanted them all dead. Then you could pretend that it was Canadians who liberated Poland.

    These traumas you go through are bad for you. Nukes? Really? And you don't think Russia would wipe them out no matter what the cost? Are you so mad and hateful that you would want to see the poor remaining Ukies to be nuked in a response?

    Replies: @AP

    You are losing it: threatening nuclear war on Russia,

    Just describing a strong possiblity. It would be a deterrent, not a suicidal act.

    Are you suggesting that Russia would force a nuclear retaliation by attacking a nuclear-armed Ukraine?

    celebrating that EU also hates the evil Russians (your words),

    Yes, that is how the Russians are viewed in the EU.

    Do you disagree?

    unable to accept that there is no “paused” offensive

    If an offensive stops because the invading side has run out of troops and equipment that had been assigned to it, it has lost.

    This one has been paused, because Ukraine has retained most of the men and equipment slated for it. Ukraine can renew it under improved conditions (such as, further Russian attrition, new weapons coming on-line, etc.) because it has not been defeated.

    This is quite simple. Your trying to twist it into something else speaks to your desperation.

    And the numbers, my god, your numbers: according to you less than 10k Ukies died in the failed offensive?

    It is likely, though I wouldn’t exclude a number of 10k either.

    Are you one of the idiots who believes that Ukraine has lost 300,000 killed in this war?

    You were, after all, stupid enough to believe that 70,000 were killed during the summer offensive.

    Or maybe you are just bad at numbers. Slovak kids are worse than US Latinos at math, perhaps that explains it.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-new-2018-pisa-school-test-scores-usa-usa/

    I recall your hatred that only half a million Soviets died liberating Poland

    The only one full of hatred is you. You like the Russians, who kill Slavs.

    Nukes? Really? And you don’t think Russia would wipe them out no matter what the cost?

    Has America wiped out North Korea?

    Are you suggesting that Russia is even more aggressive than the USA?

    Russia would not get itself nuked by invading a nuke-armed Ukraine.

    Are you so mad and hateful that you would want to see the poor remaining Ukies to be nuked in a response?

    The nice thing about nukes is that they deter war and aggression. They have kept North Korea safe, and have limited India-Pakistan conflicts. And they prevented World War III.

    If Ukraine had kept its nukes or had acquired new ones, Russia would not have invaded and 100,000s of lives would have been spared. You have a problem with that?

    Why are you desperate for war, Beckow? Have not enough East Slavs been killed to your liking? Is it an expression of your anti-Slav Magyar influence? Whether it be Nazis, Communists, or Magyars, or Putin, you are the side that kills Slavs. You should examine yourself.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    If Russia becomes convinced that Kiev will get nukes they will prevent it. You know it, EU knows it. The geography is very different, this is not N Korea or a more even match like India-Pakistan. Ukies also showed they are utterly irresponsible and willing to go beyond any red lines - that Nato thing in Crimea? please, what were they nuts?

    Deterrence takes a few years to develop, and in those years Russia would act. Then what? Would Kiev toss min-untested nukes at Russia and watch itself being wiped out? You want to risk it? It plays extremely badly in Europe - if you want to antagonize Euros keep on talking about Kiev acquiring nukes.


    EU also hates the evil Russians (your words),

    Yes, that is how the Russians are viewed in the EU.
     
    It depends. Poland, Balts, western Germans where hatred for the WW2 loss persists among many, the UK gayish high society that has always hated anything Russian, detached countries like Sweden where they look for 'submanrines' like total morons. And of course Prague intellectuals who know well who is the boss and predictably brown-nose to high heaven.

    But others in EU don't. In Hungary, Slovakia, Austria, Italy, France... the polls are more even and most people say they are neutral, we all know what that means given the propaganda. If you talk about Kiev nukes that will bring it out into the open.


    70,000 were killed during the summer offensive.
     
    The number is a lot closer to 70k than to 10k you claimed. I don't think 300k for either side is correct, but we are mixing killed, wounded, POWs...it has been bloody. Ukies are dying for the right to have Nato in Ukraine. Who does that? And you are proud of it.

    One last point: I talk to dozens of Ukies and none share your blood-thirstiness: they speak Russian, play at being "neutral", and are focused on settling in, most say they would never go back. I have yet to hear a positive word about Zelko or the Kiev gment - and nobody says they will go back "and fight the evil Russkies". You are completely misrepresenting their attitudes, probably based on your inbred "Habsburg-loving" family. How did you guys make it this far in evolution?

    Replies: @AP

  890. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    And merely 24 years later at the same spot. Except this time it's China not Japan that backs up Czechoslovakia.


    The People's Republic of China objected furiously to the so-called Brezhnev Doctrine, which declared the Soviet Union alone had the right to determine what nations were properly Communist and could invade those Communist nations whose communism did not meet the Kremlin's approval.[5]

    Mao Zedong saw the Brezhnev doctrine as the ideological justification for a would-be Soviet invasion of China and launched a massive propaganda campaign condemning the invasion of Czechoslovakia, despite his own earlier opposition to the Prague Spring.[95]

    Speaking at a banquet held at the Romanian Embassy in Beijing on 23 August 1968, the Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai denounced the Soviet Union for "fascist politics, great power chauvinism, national egoism and social imperialism", going on to compare the invasion of Czechoslovakia to the American war in Vietnam and more pointedly to the policies of Adolf Hitler towards Czechoslovakia in 1938–39.[5]
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact_invasion_of_Czechoslovakia


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D1%83_%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D0%94%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9.png

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Captured_T-62_tank.jpg

    The Soviet T-62 tank that was captured by the Chinese during the 1969 clash is now on display at the Military Museum of the Chinese People's Revolution.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere


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  891. @John Johnson
    @AP

    Ukraine will see to its own security. If it doesn’t get it through NATO membership it will get its own deterrent. And it will be easy for Ukraine to do – Ukraine has plenty of nuclear material, scientists, and is motivated to defend itself. It won’t have to tell anyone until it is too late.

    They won't need nukes or NATO.

    The next-gen drone plans are insane. Imagine if 100k anti-armor drones had come to greet the 40 mile Russian column. Every drone being capable of destroying a tank and all are capable of finding their own targets in hunter mode.

    Or imagine if Ukraine started with 50k Turkish type drones but with longer range and a wider attack area against infantry. Constant cluster attacks against invading infantry by women using video game controllers in a comfy office. Then even if they somehow get past the attacks from above there will be drones planting mines based on sat data.

    This was Russia's last chance at taking Ukraine. A conventional invasion simply won't work in 10 years. The drones will be too effective and cheaper to produce. They can hide in unassuming places while waiting for instructions. No need to build obvious runways or military depots. Some will be solar powered with indefinite range.

    This was the last chance to eliminate the Ukrainian identity and add them to the empire. Putin may well get a chunk of Ukraine but it won't be worth the price. In 15-20 years it could even go back. A future leader may decide to give the land back as a form of restitution. There is no reason to assume business will return to normal if the current lines are drawn. Russia could go through their own Weimar period that could very well end with a reformer giving back the land and declaring the Putin era to be a great shame. Unthinkable to modern Russians but it was also once unthinkable to Germans that they would lose East Prussia thanks to an angry dictator.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ, @LatW

    They won’t need nukes or NATO.

    The next-gen drone plans are insane. Imagine if 100k anti-armor drones had come to greet the 40 mile Russian column. Every drone being capable of destroying a tank and all are capable of finding their own targets in hunter mode.

    Or imagine if Ukraine started with 50k Turkish type drones but with longer range and a wider attack area against infantry. Constant cluster attacks against invading infantry by women using video game controllers in a comfy office. Then even if they somehow get past the attacks from above there will be drones planting mines based on sat data.

    Good point, if it pans out (and it is likely to).

  892. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Aristocratic in his origins and elitist in his ideas, Coudenhove-Kalergi identified and collaborated with such politicians as Engelbert Dollfuss, Kurt Schuschnigg, Otto von Habsburg, Winston Churchill, and Charles de Gaulle.[9] His ideal political constituent was a gentleman who must respect and protect ladies, a person adhering to honesty, fair play, courtesy, and rational discourse.[10][11] He strove to replace the nationalist German ideal of racial community with the goal of an ethnically heterogeneous European nation based on a commonality of culture[citation needed], a nation whose geniuses were the “great Europeans” such as abbé de Saint-Pierre, Kant, Napoleon, Giuseppe Mazzini, Victor Hugo, and Friedrich Nietzsche…On less guarded occasions he was heard to advocate a revival of Charlemagne’s empire”

    :::::::::::::::

    I certainly don’t agree with him, but his vision was not nearly as bad as Hitler’s.
     
    What exactly is so bad about his EU vision? It sounds great if you ask me!

    Replies: @AP

    What exactly is so bad about his EU vision? It sounds great if you ask me!

    It seems that he wanted to wipe out each European country’s particular culture and produce a pan-European one.

    That would be very sad.

    Though, not nearly as bad as wiping out Slavs and Jews while creating a pan-German homeland.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    It seems that he wanted to wipe out each European country’s particular culture and produce a pan-European one.

    That would be very sad.
     
    I didn't interpret him that way. Rather, I interpreted him as aiming for a common culture but still with some differences (hence the "heterogeneous European nation" part):

    He strove to replace the nationalist German ideal of racial community with the goal of an ethnically heterogeneous European nation based on a commonality of culture[citation needed],
     
    I suspect that what he wanted for Europe is similar to what the US has. For instance, white Southerners are their own branch of the American people but still have some commonalities in culture with the rest of the American people. Ditto for black Americans, especially the ones who aren't ghetto. Jewish-Americans, Italian-Americans, Polish-Americans, Ukrainian-Americans, et cetera all likewise have their own cultures but are nevertheless also a part of a larger general American culture. I think that he wanted it to be the same way for the various European peoples, and frankly, I see absolutely nothing wrong with that and in fact this appears to be how the EU looks like right now in real life.
    , @silviosilver
    @AP


    It seems that he wanted to wipe out each European country’s particular culture and produce a pan-European one.

    That would be very sad.
     

    It really depends on how the process of "wiping out" those cultures played out.

    A soft approach, developing over the generations, something like various people becoming "Romans" doesn't seem so awful to me.

    Growing old and lamenting that, culturally, "things just aren't the way they used to be" is something every generation experiences to one degree or another. It would even harder if the culture changing towards the "hated occupier," which it stands to reason is how it sometimes would have seemed, would give one many more reasons to lament. I suppose there's no level of "softness" that would eliminate all such feelings.

    It would be even harder on the first two three generations after seeing your people put to the sword, and then still ruled with an iron fist. But even then, time heals all wounds...

    In either case, the descendants many generations down the line often view all it more positively. Myths and legends have had time to grow and the living generation often reflects on the process of cultural conversion (if they even conceive of it as such) as having made them what they are and are more likely to fiercely defend it rather than bemoan it. Isn't this essentially your attitude to the Habsburgs and Catholicism?

    I am certainly in the "meld all compatibles into the one unit" camp. Of course, just who counts as a "compatible" is a very thorny question, one still not settled and which probably won't ever be completely settled. But as long as things move in that direction, my preference is satisfied. (Would the Chinese - or the "Han" people - be better off as a done or a hundred cultural units? Hard for me to see why.)


    The real problem was that the wrong side won the First World War. Boomers’ failures were downstream of that.
     
    That's my view, which can be justified many ways, but the simplest reason is that what happened in our own timeline makes it worth taking my chances with the alternative timeline.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

  893. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @AP


    I certainly don’t agree with him, but his vision was not nearly as bad as Hitler’s.
     
    Class consciousness over Racial consciousness, now that is a controversial take to have here at The Former Republic of Karlinstan.

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQiHxZFct6x8GS8SXFP_TbTIzZMFGGLjj6VJw&usqp.jpg

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Is there one single non-rootless-Cosmopolitan remaining?

    Bug men of the world unite!

    I can count one. Barbarossa. One.

  894. @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    Keep believing BS which EU and IMF sources differ. You can be sure that CNN, PBS, NPR, BBC et al would be running doom and gloom feature on the Russian economy's decline were it true.

    Once again, Russia gave ample time for peace. It then engaged in a limited military operation which got the Kiev regime to the negotiating table with an agreement about to be reached. The evidence on who thwarted that and why is clear and is best summed up by Lindsey Graham.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Keep believing BS which EU and IMF sources differ. You can be sure that CNN, PBS, NPR, BBC et al would be running doom and gloom feature on the Russian economy’s decline were it true.

    I haven’t cited those outlets as sources.

    I said the actual inflation rate is unknown and most likely higher given Putin’s credibility.

    Given Putin’s history of lying it is pretty safe to double any figure given by Russia that they would like to be low.

    They lied about casualties early in the war and to this date have not given an accurate number.

    Once again, Russia gave ample time for peace. It then engaged in a limited military operation which got the Kiev regime to the negotiating table with an agreement about to be reached.

    Why didn’t they send an ultimatum before invading? Why did they cut diplomatic ties if the goal was to negotiate?

    Will you go on record and state that they did not plan on adding Ukraine to the empire? Just wondering if we can get you to do that.

    Does Putin plan on making LPR/DPR independent states as promised? Or they being added to the empire?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    Why didn’t they send an ultimatum before invading?
     
    They did, but to the West, not to Ukraine.
    , @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    Kiev regime has an even greater penchant for lying with the US government far from believable a good deal of the time. You choose to readily believe them.


    Will you go on record and state that they did not plan on adding Ukraine to the empire? Just wondering if we can get you to do that.
     
    With fact based observations, I already confirmed that a few times.

    Why didn’t they send an ultimatum before invading? Why did they cut diplomatic ties if the goal was to negotiate?

     


    Does Putin plan on making LPR/DPR independent states as promised? Or they being added to the empire?
     
    Like a first grader in a class several grades higher. Russia first recognized their independence, followed by seeing them merged into the RF.

    Seven years wait to have Minsk Accords observed. Kiev regime, France and Germany later said it wouldn't be observed as planned when signing. Stoltenberg acknowledged a war like situation in Ukraine in the years prior to 2022, with NATO arming and training Kiev regime forces. OSCE noted an increase in Kiev regime shelling of Donbass in the weeks leading up to 2/24/22. There was also open talk in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine of doing a Croat Operation Storm like action.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson


    Why didn’t they send an ultimatum before invading? Why did they cut diplomatic ties if the goal was to negotiate?
     
    Some really good common sense questions that I haven't seen anywhere else before. Averko's lost and isn't able to answer your question, but instead conflates it with your next point:

    Why didn’t they send an ultimatum before invading? Why did they cut diplomatic ties if the goal was to negotiate?

    Does Putin plan on making LPR/DPR independent states as promised? Or they being added to the empire?

    Like a first grader in a class several grades higher. Russia first recognized their independence, followed by seeing them merged into the RF.
     
    Averko answers like a first grader that has flunked his exams and is relegated backwards to pre-school. :-)
  895. @A123
    @RadicalCenter


    have Biden resign after the Dem primary elections are finished, when he or Newsom or someone else wins enough delegates for the Democrat nomination.
     
    Newsom is not on the ballot, and it is pretty much too late for him to jump in against Not-The-President Biden. His unofficial performance does give him some fundraising and organization, but he is not going run while the incumbent is on the ticket. Presumably, he is mostly looking ahead to 2028.

    The Veggie-in-Chief could decline the DNC 2024 nomination without resigning from his current term. However, it would have made more sense for that to happen months ago if that was the plan. Clearly he is running with the intent to be in the White House for 4 more years. And, there is nothing the DNC can do to shuffle him out.


    After possibly antagonizing the 300-pound Taneequah voting bloc by shunting aside a sort-of-African VP, the Dems might want to pick another African for VP to make up for it.
     
    Not-The-VP Harris was a signal that the next choice will be a PoC female in the top slot. Losing that via an open primary might have been saleable. Not-The-President Biden stepping aside to give the nomination to white male Newsom would blow up the party.

    The calculation is -- If not Harris, what other credible PoC female do they have available? Michelle Obama? Rashida Tlaib? AOC?

    The DNC ran off Tulsi Gabbard, so all their potential selections all come with lots of crazy baggage.


    Last thought about Kamala: if the Dems want Newsom as their presidential nominee, then constitutionally they cannot have a veep nominee who is also a California resident, like Kamala.
     
    I doubt she would accept service under another white male when she believes it is her turn on top. However, stranger things have happened.

    Technically, it is not unconstitutional. The restriction is not being able to obtain California's Electoral College votes. There is an easy way to clear up the issue. As VP candidate, Kamala could easily establish non-California residency before the election. Dick Cheney shifted from Texas to Wyoming, so there is precedent.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    The Veggie-in-Chief could decline the DNC 2024 nomination without resigning from his current term. However, it would have made more sense for that to happen months ago if that was the plan.

    It would make sense under normal conditions.

    Because of the war he may plan on announcing his retirement at the last minute.

    The calculation is — If not Harris, what other credible PoC female do they have available? Michelle Obama? Rashida Tlaib? AOC?

    Hiring a POC female is not the main goal. Keeping out Trump is the main goal. That was also true in the last election. Democrat voters to not want to risk another Trump presidency for diversity points.

    I doubt she would accept service under another white male when she believes it is her turn on top.

    Harris knows that she is out of her league. That is in part what makes this a difficult and abnormal situation for the Democrats.

    If Biden falls down some air force stairs then Harris becomes president. But that isn’t a success for the minorities first crowd as one might assume.

    This is because Harris is so incredibly terrible. She would make a constant mockery of affirmative action.

    She was somehow pre-parodied by the show VP
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-Pg1nNL5wVE?feature=share

    Read the comments. Everyone hates her and that includes Democrats.

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson


    Because of the war he may plan on announcing his retirement at the last minute.
     
    Cope... Massive massive cope... Wishful desperation. How could the Ukraine SMO influence such timing? It makes no sense.

    You have to accept that there is not the slightest whiff that the Veggie-in-Chief is interested in imminent, graceful retirement.

    Hiring a POC female is not the main goal. Keeping out Trump is the main goal.
     
    You are assuming a unity that does not exist. A sufficiently sizeable minority faction can break the Democrat party. A sadly large chunk of the population has SJW Woke as their emotional raison d'etre. Burning the DNC to the ground to stop the white male "Patriarchy" is 100% acceptable to this substantial group.

    Look at all those bad Marvel and Star Wars projects. They would rather have a "stunning & brave" multicultural failure rather than make money. The same hold true in politics. There are plenty of SJW's who would refuse to support White Patriarch Newsom.
    ____

    I go back to my original point. If there is a staged handover as part of the DNC convention, to maintain party unity they have to pick a PoC female.

    The calculation is — If not Harris, what other credible PoC female do they have available? Michelle Obama? Rashida Tlaib? AOC?

    Feel free to throw in your preferred name(s).

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

  896. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    What exactly is so bad about his EU vision? It sounds great if you ask me!
     
    It seems that he wanted to wipe out each European country's particular culture and produce a pan-European one.

    That would be very sad.

    Though, not nearly as bad as wiping out Slavs and Jews while creating a pan-German homeland.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @silviosilver

    It seems that he wanted to wipe out each European country’s particular culture and produce a pan-European one.

    That would be very sad.

    I didn’t interpret him that way. Rather, I interpreted him as aiming for a common culture but still with some differences (hence the “heterogeneous European nation” part):

    He strove to replace the nationalist German ideal of racial community with the goal of an ethnically heterogeneous European nation based on a commonality of culture[citation needed],

    I suspect that what he wanted for Europe is similar to what the US has. For instance, white Southerners are their own branch of the American people but still have some commonalities in culture with the rest of the American people. Ditto for black Americans, especially the ones who aren’t ghetto. Jewish-Americans, Italian-Americans, Polish-Americans, Ukrainian-Americans, et cetera all likewise have their own cultures but are nevertheless also a part of a larger general American culture. I think that he wanted it to be the same way for the various European peoples, and frankly, I see absolutely nothing wrong with that and in fact this appears to be how the EU looks like right now in real life.

  897. @John Johnson
    @AP

    Ukraine will see to its own security. If it doesn’t get it through NATO membership it will get its own deterrent. And it will be easy for Ukraine to do – Ukraine has plenty of nuclear material, scientists, and is motivated to defend itself. It won’t have to tell anyone until it is too late.

    They won't need nukes or NATO.

    The next-gen drone plans are insane. Imagine if 100k anti-armor drones had come to greet the 40 mile Russian column. Every drone being capable of destroying a tank and all are capable of finding their own targets in hunter mode.

    Or imagine if Ukraine started with 50k Turkish type drones but with longer range and a wider attack area against infantry. Constant cluster attacks against invading infantry by women using video game controllers in a comfy office. Then even if they somehow get past the attacks from above there will be drones planting mines based on sat data.

    This was Russia's last chance at taking Ukraine. A conventional invasion simply won't work in 10 years. The drones will be too effective and cheaper to produce. They can hide in unassuming places while waiting for instructions. No need to build obvious runways or military depots. Some will be solar powered with indefinite range.

    This was the last chance to eliminate the Ukrainian identity and add them to the empire. Putin may well get a chunk of Ukraine but it won't be worth the price. In 15-20 years it could even go back. A future leader may decide to give the land back as a form of restitution. There is no reason to assume business will return to normal if the current lines are drawn. Russia could go through their own Weimar period that could very well end with a reformer giving back the land and declaring the Putin era to be a great shame. Unthinkable to modern Russians but it was also once unthinkable to Germans that they would lose East Prussia thanks to an angry dictator.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ, @LatW

    This was the last chance to eliminate the Ukrainian identity and add them to the empire. Putin may well get a chunk of Ukraine but it won’t be worth the price. In 15-20 years it could even go back. A future leader may decide to give the land back as a form of restitution. There is no reason to assume business will return to normal if the current lines are drawn. Russia could go through their own Weimar period that could very well end with a reformer giving back the land and declaring the Putin era to be a great shame. Unthinkable to modern Russians but it was also once unthinkable to Germans that they would lose East Prussia thanks to an angry dictator.

    Yeah, the Germans who whined and moaned about the Polish Corridor being intolerable failed to realize that if Germany will spark another World War and lose it, then it could end up losing much, much more territory up to the point that Germany’s Weimar-era borders are going to look like a godsend by comparison. I could understand Germans being pissed off about Danzig, and maybe eventually a deal could have been reached in regards to this and in regards to an extraterritorial elevated German road over the Polish Corridor as well (albeit not in the 1930s), but ultimately, these things weren’t worth sparking a new World War over by any means.

    IIRC, Alexei Navalny has even said after Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine in a Washington Post op-ed that Russia should also give back Crimea to Ukraine. He also advocated in favor of liberalizing and democratic reforms within Russia.

  898. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Keep believing BS which EU and IMF sources differ. You can be sure that CNN, PBS, NPR, BBC et al would be running doom and gloom feature on the Russian economy’s decline were it true.

    I haven't cited those outlets as sources.

    I said the actual inflation rate is unknown and most likely higher given Putin's credibility.

    Given Putin's history of lying it is pretty safe to double any figure given by Russia that they would like to be low.

    They lied about casualties early in the war and to this date have not given an accurate number.

    Once again, Russia gave ample time for peace. It then engaged in a limited military operation which got the Kiev regime to the negotiating table with an agreement about to be reached.

    Why didn't they send an ultimatum before invading? Why did they cut diplomatic ties if the goal was to negotiate?

    Will you go on record and state that they did not plan on adding Ukraine to the empire? Just wondering if we can get you to do that.

    Does Putin plan on making LPR/DPR independent states as promised? Or they being added to the empire?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    Why didn’t they send an ultimatum before invading?

    They did, but to the West, not to Ukraine.

  899. @John Johnson
    @A123

    The Veggie-in-Chief could decline the DNC 2024 nomination without resigning from his current term. However, it would have made more sense for that to happen months ago if that was the plan.

    It would make sense under normal conditions.

    Because of the war he may plan on announcing his retirement at the last minute.

    The calculation is — If not Harris, what other credible PoC female do they have available? Michelle Obama? Rashida Tlaib? AOC?

    Hiring a POC female is not the main goal. Keeping out Trump is the main goal. That was also true in the last election. Democrat voters to not want to risk another Trump presidency for diversity points.

    I doubt she would accept service under another white male when she believes it is her turn on top.

    Harris knows that she is out of her league. That is in part what makes this a difficult and abnormal situation for the Democrats.

    If Biden falls down some air force stairs then Harris becomes president. But that isn't a success for the minorities first crowd as one might assume.

    This is because Harris is so incredibly terrible. She would make a constant mockery of affirmative action.

    She was somehow pre-parodied by the show VP
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-Pg1nNL5wVE?feature=share

    Read the comments. Everyone hates her and that includes Democrats.

    Replies: @A123

    Because of the war he may plan on announcing his retirement at the last minute.

    Cope… Massive massive cope… Wishful desperation. How could the Ukraine SMO influence such timing? It makes no sense.

    You have to accept that there is not the slightest whiff that the Veggie-in-Chief is interested in imminent, graceful retirement.

    Hiring a POC female is not the main goal. Keeping out Trump is the main goal.

    You are assuming a unity that does not exist. A sufficiently sizeable minority faction can break the Democrat party. A sadly large chunk of the population has SJW Woke as their emotional raison d’etre. Burning the DNC to the ground to stop the white male “Patriarchy” is 100% acceptable to this substantial group.

    Look at all those bad Marvel and Star Wars projects. They would rather have a “stunning & brave” multicultural failure rather than make money. The same hold true in politics. There are plenty of SJW’s who would refuse to support White Patriarch Newsom.
    ____

    I go back to my original point. If there is a staged handover as part of the DNC convention, to maintain party unity they have to pick a PoC female.

    The calculation is — If not Harris, what other credible PoC female do they have available? Michelle Obama? Rashida Tlaib? AOC?

    Feel free to throw in your preferred name(s).

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123


    Because of the war he may plan on announcing his retirement at the last minute.
     
    Cope… Massive massive cope… Wishful desperation. How could the Ukraine SMO influence such timing? It makes no sense.

    Wishful desperation for what? You previously accused me of being a Biden supporter. I can dig up your own quotes if you want. Who am I coping for? I fully accept that Biden or Trump could become president. I'd rather not see Harris become president but I'm always prepared for America to the take the stupidity of Affirmative Action to another level. Maybe we should just hurry up and get to Camacho. The actor that plays him would be better than Harris.

    It's possible that Biden could announce his retirement last year. There is historical precedence for politicians trying to wait out a conflict before resigning. They do it to try to show unity and to discourage the enemy from assuming a change in power may favor them. FDR for example should have abdicated his duties for health reasons in 1944 but stayed in office because of the war. The severity of his condition was kept from the public for the sake of unity.

    You have to accept that there is not the slightest whiff that the Veggie-in-Chief is interested in imminent, graceful retirement.

    It's not simply about what Biden wants or thinks. There is in fact no reason to assume that Biden will ultimately be the one making the decision. Party leaders could talk his wife into pulling him. I'm merely pointing out possibilities and that seems to emotionally agitate you. I don't know why you take the discussion of possible outcomes to be some type of offense or criticism. Do you have some fatalistic religious belief that Trump will win? A lot could happen in a year. Biden could slip and fall tomorrow. Pointing that out doesn't mean I am emotionally attached to the scenario. There are a lot of variables in this election and the outcome of Trump's trials is yet to be determined.

    This will not be a normal election year or even close.


    Hiring a POC female is not the main goal. Keeping out Trump is the main goal.
     
    You are assuming a unity that does not exist. A sufficiently sizeable minority faction can break the Democrat party

    How am I assuming unity when I already went into detail on how the Minorities First wing doesn't control the party? I already pointed out how they were overruled in the last election. There were numerous articles from the left-coasts on how the DNC must pick a woman. Well it came down to a White man and a Jew. The primary voters select the final candidates.

    Look at all those bad Marvel and Star Wars projects. They would rather have a “stunning & brave” multicultural failure rather than make money. The same hold true in politics.

    The difference is that Disney is a hierarchy while the DNC primary is (still) democratic.

    There certainly are liberals that would nominate a minority woman even if polls suggested that the White male has a better chance of beating the Republican. There have been editorials that actually demand affirmative action within the DNC until a female is president. So what? The editorial boards of Wapo the NYTimes don't pick the candidate. They can promote candidates but the previous DNC primary completely ignored their hopes and wishes. It's similar to the national election in that those middle America states also get a say. A thousand pro-female/minority editorials will not change the voting process.

    I go back to my original point. If there is a staged handover as part of the DNC convention, to maintain party unity they have to pick a PoC female.

    Why would there be a staged handover and who would be forced to pick a minority female?

    Biden has a primary challenger. Are you suggesting that if Biden retires or dies the DNC will change the rules to bring in a female minority?

    Replies: @A123

  900. @Sher Singh
    @LatW

    In an Aryan society any man will kill the nigger & whore.
    I don't care about an abusive husband, the wife had a role in turning him that way.

    Not my problem.
    Imagine bothering men of high stature over domestic disputes LOL.


    There is a male hierarchy that is run by reciprocity (exchange of goods to secure power), the man at the top, the big man, is the one who regulates and balances this.
     
    The only good worth exchanging & that brings power (sons) is woman.
    Fuck your Anthropology textbook..

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Mikel

    I don’t care about an abusive husband, the wife had a role in turning him that way.

    In any civilized society wife beaters have almost as bad a reputation as child molesters.

    They’re always half-men who don’t have what it takes to channel their aggressive instincts towards other men and lash out at the weaker person they have handy at home.

    The natural masculine instinct is to protect the women and children around you, not to attack them, just like the natural female instinct is to defend her offspring. You don’t even have to think about it, biology takes over and you protect your women and children, risking your life if necessary.

    Is this really different in your culture or is it just you?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel

    You might be forgetting the sports pages.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/65/82/58/658258cc5da87ce525bf9a62e309405e.jpg

    , @Sher Singh
    @Mikel

    There's no good response to a cucked comment such as this.
    Will leave it at that.

    Indo-European norms are different than w/e bastards are left in either India or Europe afterwards.

    Yes, I hit women.
    No, I don't tend to have to hit them twice nor enjoy doing it.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Mikel

  901. @Sher Singh
    @silviosilver


    Yes, he has a knack for getting under people’s skin. He fully deserves the retribution he receives for this attitude. If it were not for this, I’d never have had any reason to rip into him (or his ethnicity).

    I doubt he is really as contemptuous as he comes off. It’s all part of the cope, imo. That’s also why I doubt his tough guy pose. It’s possible he’s a holy terror on the streets, but just as possible he’s a complete wimp who’d shit if I simply glared at him.
     

    I think you forget that the younger gens in Aus/Canada don't grow up with your experiences.
    We're rarely going to be outside an ethnic enclave and/or the only minority in the room.

    Furthermore, we're encouraged to keep our cultures & assimilation is seen as 'inauthentic'.
    If you knew my personal history or line of work you'd say yea he's probably a tough guy..

    I don't feel that I act that way though. I'm extremely flawed & soft/moderate as far as, Sikhs go.


    Btw, I don’t really have issues with his pseudo ultra-trad ideology – as long as he keeps it to his own community.
     
    I don't see others as being outside my community just less or more connected.
    Why shouldn't I try to help those around me & contribute to society?
    Not doing so goes against the roots of Sikhi & will be rejected.

    Unshorn Hair & Weapons is the divine form of masculinity.


    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @John Johnson, @LatW

    Unshorn Hair & Weapons is the divine form of masculinity.

    There are such ideals in the West, too – just look at Thor (as played by Chris Hemsworth). LOL
    And hundreds of such similar heroes.

    So you’re not alone. 🙂

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @S
    @LatW


    There are such ideals in the West, too – just look at Thor (as played by Chris Hemsworth). LOL. And hundreds of such similar heroes.
     
    This reminds me of the US actor Michael Forest who quite literally had multiple alias professional names of Alfred Thor, Russell Thor, and Russel Thor, I suppose in part to cash in on the 'sword and sandal' films which were big in the early 1960's.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Forest

    I don't know if he ever played Thor, but, though shorn, he for sure played Atlas, and Apollo too, and for the latter role he was perfectly cast..


    https://youtu.be/SlZpJ0nFS8E?si=xI5XFHhzSA1bwZKa

  902. @Mikel
    @Sher Singh


    I don’t care about an abusive husband, the wife had a role in turning him that way.
     
    In any civilized society wife beaters have almost as bad a reputation as child molesters.

    They're always half-men who don't have what it takes to channel their aggressive instincts towards other men and lash out at the weaker person they have handy at home.

    The natural masculine instinct is to protect the women and children around you, not to attack them, just like the natural female instinct is to defend her offspring. You don't even have to think about it, biology takes over and you protect your women and children, risking your life if necessary.

    Is this really different in your culture or is it just you?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh

    You might be forgetting the sports pages.

  903. Sher Singh says:
    @Mikel
    @Sher Singh


    I don’t care about an abusive husband, the wife had a role in turning him that way.
     
    In any civilized society wife beaters have almost as bad a reputation as child molesters.

    They're always half-men who don't have what it takes to channel their aggressive instincts towards other men and lash out at the weaker person they have handy at home.

    The natural masculine instinct is to protect the women and children around you, not to attack them, just like the natural female instinct is to defend her offspring. You don't even have to think about it, biology takes over and you protect your women and children, risking your life if necessary.

    Is this really different in your culture or is it just you?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh

    There’s no good response to a cucked comment such as this.
    Will leave it at that.

    Indo-European norms are different than w/e bastards are left in either India or Europe afterwards.

    Yes, I hit women.
    No, I don’t tend to have to hit them twice nor enjoy doing it.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Sher Singh


    Indo-European norms are
     
    I was actually talking about mammalian norms.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  904. @Mikhail
    @Beckow


    You are now are put your bet on Russian “inflation”. That shows desperation. What if it doesn’t happen? What if it does and changes nothing? Maybe you can dig up comrade “Prigozhin” and see if he can march again…or send that Armenian chess-master to be a “president”. You are running out of even crazy options.
     
    He stays away from facts like IMF reports indicating the Russian economy has done better than German's and the UK since 2/24/22. It's not like the situation in the US has noticeably improved within that time frame.

    https://www.rt.com/business/587320-pentagon-buying-russian-oil/

    https://www.rt.com/business/587339-eu-russia-economic-growth-forecast/

    Replies: @Beckow, @John Johnson, @AP

    He stays away from facts like IMF reports indicating the Russian economy has done better than German’s and the UK since 2/24/22.

    No it hasn’t.

    In 2022, UK’s economy grew 4.1% and is projected to grow only .3% in 2023.

    In 2022, Germany’s economy grew 1.9% and in 2023 it is projected to shrink .3%.

    In 2022, Russia’s economy shrank 2.1% but in 2023 it is projected to grow 2.8%.

    So from 2022-2023:

    UK’s economy will have grown about 4.4%
    Germany’s will have grown about 1.6%
    Russia’s will have grown about .7%.

    So after the war, Russia has fallen further behind Germany and UK.

    And in 2021, Russia’s economy had grown 5.6%! So the war cut short an economic rally for Russia.

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locations=DE-GB-RU

    You must have gotten too excited by the 2023 numbers (when Russia does outperform the other two countries) , and your little mind couldn’t handle the fact that 2022 was also after the war.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP

    Then there's the Kiev regime which pretty much relies exclusively on handouts.

    As for your cherry picks, there're numerous other counters contradicting what your uber svido mind highlight.

    https://intellinews.com/russia-overtakes-germany-to-become-fifth-biggest-economy-in-the-world-in-gdp-on-a-ppp-basis-286944/

    Latest IMF data shows Russia outperforming Germany and UK
    https://infobrics.org/post/37665

    In the US, food, energy, auto and home costs remain high, relative to real income wages. With the exception of turkey, Thanksgiving dinner food items have increased in price as was evident with the price of Halloween candy. These are just some of the variables to consider, which explains why the American public aren't so gung ho on funding the corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced Kiev regime, which has blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP

  905. @silviosilver
    @LatW


    But sometimes he really triggers me with his attitude – but only when he is contemptuous of White societies and looks down on them.
     
    Yes, he has a knack for getting under people's skin. He fully deserves the retribution he receives for this attitude. If it were not for this, I'd never have had any reason to rip into him (or his ethnicity).

    I doubt he is really as contemptuous as he comes off. It's all part of the cope, imo. That's also why I doubt his tough guy pose. It's possible he's a holy terror on the streets, but just as possible he's a complete wimp who'd shit if I simply glared at him. (We can't know, and it's not worth pondering.)


    I also don’t want to be aggressive to a minority (or a brown or “ethnic” individual). I have a natural aversion to hurting minorities (unless they go too far) but you seem much better about that.
     
    I don't address anyone this rudely irl. And I don't think I do it too much on the internet either. There's nothing admirable or heroic (obviously) about the kind of things I say in this regard. (In fact, I understand perfectly why some leftie might get so enraged about it he'd want to put a bullet in my head.) But you know, if someone really wants see what an unflinching view of racial realities as they stand on our planet on looks like, no-holds-barred racial forums are the place to go, and I don't mind taking on the role of that dude who'll give you the unvarnished truth. Which of course means my own ethnicity is fair game too (which it is, and I invite anyone who wants to to have at it). The difference between me and the sikh is I just don't care what anyone says. Also, I have been that "ethnic individual" on numerous occasions growing up, and the Anglo-Saxons of yore were not shy about telling you what they thought of your race (those days, alas, appear to be gone, perhaps never to return), so I don't feel anything like the same pressure you or other people might not to be too rude and crude.

    Btw, I don’t really have issues with his pseudo ultra-trad ideology – as long as he keeps it to his own community. Seems like some kind of an ultra-masculist larp centered on the warrior ethic (which under normal circumstances and if it came from a Euro, I would find appealing).
     
    As much as I might intellectually disagree with it today, for most of my life I found at least some (and more often, a lot) of appeal in it. To take the most extreme example, the Nazis, as much as I've loathed them and feared them and disagreed with them, their program at least made logical sense to me, and sometimes even stirred positive emotions in me. Who knows, it's not certain, but if I were German (or Germanic), I probably would have at least for some part of my life gone all-in on it. It's a complete contrast to Marxism (to say nothing of the loony variants on it of more recent vintage), which has never had any intellectual or emotional (hah) appeal to me whatsoever. For the purposes of establishing baseline leanings ("left" or "right"), this distinction (based on emotional appeal) might be the most potent political litmus test available.

    Replies: @LatW, @Sher Singh, @LatW

    But you know, if someone really wants see what an unflinching view of racial realities as they stand on our planet on looks like, no-holds-barred racial forums are the place to go, and I don’t mind taking on the role of that dude who’ll give you the unvarnished truth.

    [MORE]

    Haha, good one. 🙂

    I hadn’t been watching the so called “lamestream” media for a while (had been living in my Ukro language bubble for a long time) but with this renewed Israeli-Arab conflict, I started watching regular channels again. And I got a little startled, since, having taken that break, and coming back to it, things seemed to have gotten crazier than before (of course, this conflict is out of the ordinary in a way, so this kind of media content may not be fully normal). I watched some Piers Morgan Uncensored – and omg – there are all these minorities with British citizenship that come on the show and argue (sometimes even by raising their voice). I was only able to watch a few minutes of an Arab and a Jew arguing (both smart), because they immediately started screaming at each other (this is not something we need at all).

    Another problem they seem to have in the UK is former ISIS girlfriends / wives, such as someone named Shamima Begum (who joined ISIS, had children with an ISIS fighter who died, was stripped of British citizenship and is pining in some camp in Syria and now begging to come back to the UK). She was very young when it happened (15yo), so that might be a slightly mitigating factor, however, I noticed that she had a very smooth talking Arabic lawyer (and ofc all of this is happening at the British tax payers’ expense), it made me concerned, knowing that there are probably armies of such “ethnic” lawyers out there in the Western world. It made me worry that if this happened eventually in the Baltic states (not ISIS related but some other “brown people problem” with immigration or religion or intolerance or what not), then my people will be too naive to handle this (because these Semites, either Jews or Arabs, will find it easy to manipulate them – we already have such an issue with Jews defending the Russian minority and as an extension all other diverse ones that come in a long line). Not because my people are dumb, but because they’re not as glib and as manipulative. So my fear is that they will understand what is going on (rationally), but won’t be able to acquire the proper tools to fight against it.

    Another show that really scared me was Rising (on The Hill), if this is the new America, I’m not sure I want to have anything to do with it. It is some kind of a new left propaganda channel with highly ideologized, barely 30 year old hosts. And it’s not even generational (because I connect with 20-30 year old right wingers very well). Does this stuff ever make you feel uneasy?

    I was wondering if you had any advice on how to handle this in Eastern Euro countries (since you are both E.Euro and have lived around Anglos all your life in a multi-cultural setting)? Things seem to have gone very far that way in the West. My first idea was that it would be worth highlighting to E.Euros where this leads. Because people don’t really know how these second gen etc immigrants really feel about their hosts and that they’re not planning to assimilate. That they’re totally ok with saying this such as “it is not your homeland” (even if your people have lived there for thousands of years and built most things there). I can guarantee you this will drive most EEs up the wall. But how to fight against it…

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @LatW

    https://twitter.com/metromorning/status/852475767556591616

    Sikhs have a place in Canada beyond the reach of some Baltic Dalit.
    Stop being butthurt & you can't harm minorities due to America.

    They'll bomb you if you launch pogroms.
    Learn who your real enemy is.
    You'll stop wanting to be "white" after 1 trip to the West, trust me LOL.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20160304070043/http://mosmaiorum.org/persecution_list.html

    Abrahamics are not European, end of.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @LatW

    , @silviosilver
    @LatW


    I hadn’t been watching the so called “lamestream” media for a while (had been living in my Ukro language bubble for a long time)
     
    I'm sorry to say, Lat, but based on the observations you outlined in this post, it sounds to me you've been living in an even larger "bubble." Perhaps the things you mentioned are more "in your face" in the last few years, but they don't represent any fundamental change to the preceding sixty years or so. 'Anti-racism,' immigration, and all the associated stupidity ('woke' is just a new name for a very old game), has been totally in charge that entire time. The only thing that has 'changed' is that 'anti-racists' are getting more desperate as nothing they have tried has worked and the demographic changes are waking up more and more whites to their racial plight. I don't mean to be rude, but if the things you mentioned in this shocked you, I have wonder where you've been the last ten years. (I gather you're living in America? Not sure when you moved there.) The 'anti-racist' regime has been in charge in Europe for just as long; the main difference there is the arrivals are more recent and the national cultures are sturdier, and hence the nationalist response has been healthier, but still nothing even close to what would really be required.

    I was wondering if you had any advice on how to handle this in Eastern Euro countries (since you are both E.Euro and have lived around Anglos all your life in a multi-cultural setting)?
     
    I'm not sure how to answer that. I do and I don't. I'm a little tired now - been out partying, still feeling a bit drunk. To answer the easier "I don't" portion, the reason I say that is because I often find near-complete agreement with my talking points when these issues come up (er, when I find a way to introduce them into a convo), and yet, for all that, there still seems to be only minimal motivation for political changes in the necessary direction among the electorate. 'Normies,' bless 'em, seem to have a naive faith that, despite everything that's going on (wtf when did my town turn half Indian?), the 'big people' are on top of things, perhaps 'secretly,' and will make the right moves when necessary. You virtually have to lead people up the aisle to the cockpit and show them clear as day that there's no one piloting the plane before they're able to contemplate the magnitude of the problem. Say you pull that off, they now grasp the actual dimensions of what we're up against, does it necessarily help? Lol, fuck no. Some people go completely off the deep end - think the nazcore1488 types - they're useless. Others become disconsolate but figure there's nothing that can be done. Still others figure they'll outsmart the system - no way will they see this one coming! - and opt for the mirage of "culture" rather than race. That's the bad news. I'll leave the good news (if there actually is any), for another post.

    To answer your earlier question, I identify mostly as Serb, but I'm "half" Greek, with some Vlach/Aromanian ancestry too (spoke a few words as a kid). I've heard that if we go back in time, virtually all my family were Vlach, but all the people who could confirm that (or think they could) are either dead or I've lost contact with them. I don't have any strong nationalist feelings though. I don't have any problems with Croats (unless they hate me first), and in fact I greatly enjoy meeting Croats who feel about Croatian identity the way I do about Serb - yeah, I was born and raised in it, but it doesn't mean very much to me.

    Just tonight I was getting drunk with and singing old Serbian songs with a half-Croat, half-Macedonian girl, who knew those songs because her Croat father listens to them. I would prefer that company any day over getting drunk with a bunch of Serb nationalists and listening to their bullshit lol. That said, I do get the attraction of nationalism. There's a Serbian monastery within an easy day's drive from me. When everyone used to get together there for the big national days, sure it was exciting, I won't lie. I just wish it didn't invariably end up with hating our neighbors, you know? (There's mild "hate," and then there's hate, we have to be careful with the distinctions, I understand this; just personally, I don't trust any of it.)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @LatW

  906. @Sher Singh
    @Mikel

    There's no good response to a cucked comment such as this.
    Will leave it at that.

    Indo-European norms are different than w/e bastards are left in either India or Europe afterwards.

    Yes, I hit women.
    No, I don't tend to have to hit them twice nor enjoy doing it.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Mikel

    Indo-European norms are

    I was actually talking about mammalian norms.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel

    Now see the mammals on O. J. Simpson's jury listened to a tape recording of his wife crying to the 911 operator while O. J. was wailing on her and they were not affected. Probably thought the bitch deserved it.

    https://www.clickitticket.com/nfl-domestic-violence/

    O. J. is not close to the only murderer. Alleged. He was acquitted.

    Replies: @Mikel, @LatW

  907. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Keep believing BS which EU and IMF sources differ. You can be sure that CNN, PBS, NPR, BBC et al would be running doom and gloom feature on the Russian economy’s decline were it true.

    I haven't cited those outlets as sources.

    I said the actual inflation rate is unknown and most likely higher given Putin's credibility.

    Given Putin's history of lying it is pretty safe to double any figure given by Russia that they would like to be low.

    They lied about casualties early in the war and to this date have not given an accurate number.

    Once again, Russia gave ample time for peace. It then engaged in a limited military operation which got the Kiev regime to the negotiating table with an agreement about to be reached.

    Why didn't they send an ultimatum before invading? Why did they cut diplomatic ties if the goal was to negotiate?

    Will you go on record and state that they did not plan on adding Ukraine to the empire? Just wondering if we can get you to do that.

    Does Putin plan on making LPR/DPR independent states as promised? Or they being added to the empire?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    Kiev regime has an even greater penchant for lying with the US government far from believable a good deal of the time. You choose to readily believe them.

    Will you go on record and state that they did not plan on adding Ukraine to the empire? Just wondering if we can get you to do that.

    With fact based observations, I already confirmed that a few times.

    Why didn’t they send an ultimatum before invading? Why did they cut diplomatic ties if the goal was to negotiate?

    Does Putin plan on making LPR/DPR independent states as promised? Or they being added to the empire?

    Like a first grader in a class several grades higher. Russia first recognized their independence, followed by seeing them merged into the RF.

    Seven years wait to have Minsk Accords observed. Kiev regime, France and Germany later said it wouldn’t be observed as planned when signing. Stoltenberg acknowledged a war like situation in Ukraine in the years prior to 2022, with NATO arming and training Kiev regime forces. OSCE noted an increase in Kiev regime shelling of Donbass in the weeks leading up to 2/24/22. There was also open talk in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine of doing a Croat Operation Storm like action.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikhail


    Does Putin plan on making LPR/DPR independent states as promised? Or they being added to the empire?
     
    Like a first grader in a class several grades higher. Russia first recognized their independence, followed by seeing them merged into the RF.

    After the invasion Putin declared that DPR/LPR are independent states in a formal decree with his signature:
    https://www.jurist.org/news/2022/02/putin-signs-decrees-recognizing-independence-of-eastern-ukraine-regions/

    Did he fulfill his promise to make them independent states? You are saying he chose for them to join Russia as if they are children? Which means they were never independent as he delcared?

    OSCE noted an increase in Kiev regime shelling of Donbass in the weeks leading up to 2/24/22.

    Could you provide a link to that?

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Mikhail

  908. @John Johnson
    @AP

    Ukraine will see to its own security. If it doesn’t get it through NATO membership it will get its own deterrent. And it will be easy for Ukraine to do – Ukraine has plenty of nuclear material, scientists, and is motivated to defend itself. It won’t have to tell anyone until it is too late.

    They won't need nukes or NATO.

    The next-gen drone plans are insane. Imagine if 100k anti-armor drones had come to greet the 40 mile Russian column. Every drone being capable of destroying a tank and all are capable of finding their own targets in hunter mode.

    Or imagine if Ukraine started with 50k Turkish type drones but with longer range and a wider attack area against infantry. Constant cluster attacks against invading infantry by women using video game controllers in a comfy office. Then even if they somehow get past the attacks from above there will be drones planting mines based on sat data.

    This was Russia's last chance at taking Ukraine. A conventional invasion simply won't work in 10 years. The drones will be too effective and cheaper to produce. They can hide in unassuming places while waiting for instructions. No need to build obvious runways or military depots. Some will be solar powered with indefinite range.

    This was the last chance to eliminate the Ukrainian identity and add them to the empire. Putin may well get a chunk of Ukraine but it won't be worth the price. In 15-20 years it could even go back. A future leader may decide to give the land back as a form of restitution. There is no reason to assume business will return to normal if the current lines are drawn. Russia could go through their own Weimar period that could very well end with a reformer giving back the land and declaring the Putin era to be a great shame. Unthinkable to modern Russians but it was also once unthinkable to Germans that they would lose East Prussia thanks to an angry dictator.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ, @LatW

    The next-gen drone plans are insane.

    This might actually be the “technological breakthrough” that Zaluzhniy was looking for (he mentions drones in his article). Btw, an advanced drone program might even be cheaper long term than maintaining a nuclear deterrent. These technologies need to be restricted for Western use only (but the West should also support Ukraine permanently).

    Russia could go through their own Weimar period

    Some say that the US (and other Western powers) fear this, that they do not want a strategic defeat by Russia in Ukraine (this explains the slow trickle of weapons and all the backdoor communication between US and Russia). But this could happen, independent of the West’s desires, if Russia indeed experiences such a “Weimar period” due to war fatigue. And, let me tell you, these recent stories about how “Putin is dead” and “Patrushev is really in charge” are quite persistent. I dismissed them as some psychological media operation but what if they’re really true?

    There are signs that they want to stop fighting, but they want to keep the current lines. The women have finally begun complaining about the deaths and about the lack of rotation of the troops. Those cluster bombs are also pretty savage in action (arteries get ripped up and one bleeds out very quickly).

    The generation of men born in the 1990s is small. The country is full of older women. Do we even know how many people really live there and how many are able bodies males under 40 or so? They say their mobilization reserved could be up to 10-15 million, but a lot of those people are also needed in the labor market.

    It’s a large and a relatively rugged nation but it remains to be seen how much stamina they really have. What’s happening is really brutal, even by their standards.

  909. @Mikel
    @Sher Singh


    Indo-European norms are
     
    I was actually talking about mammalian norms.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Now see the mammals on O. J. Simpson’s jury listened to a tape recording of his wife crying to the 911 operator while O. J. was wailing on her and they were not affected. Probably thought the bitch deserved it.

    https://www.clickitticket.com/nfl-domestic-violence/

    O. J. is not close to the only murderer. Alleged. He was acquitted.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Now see the mammals on O. J. Simpson’s jury listened to a tape recording of his wife crying to the 911 operator while O. J. was wailing on her and they were not affected.
     
    I don't know too much about the details of that case but they must have been mammals in name only, same as the Sikh amphibian here.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh

    , @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Now see the mammals on O. J. Simpson’s jury listened to a tape recording of his wife crying to the 911 operator while O. J. was wailing on her and they were not affected. Probably thought the bitch deserved it.
     
    You probably believe that she deserved it because she slept with a black. But the problem with that is that it's not just the White woman's responsibility here - her whole society made this historically possible by emancipating and then lionizing the black male and essentially worshipping his athleticism. Not to mention paying him a ton of money and making him a celebrity. Women just follow, it's a normal female instinct. What is not normal is that she lived in a multi-racial society and was exposed. She was not properly protected (not to mention that black men are more active and less hesitant in making moves).

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  910. @AP
    @Mikhail


    He stays away from facts like IMF reports indicating the Russian economy has done better than German’s and the UK since 2/24/22.
     
    No it hasn't.

    In 2022, UK's economy grew 4.1% and is projected to grow only .3% in 2023.

    In 2022, Germany's economy grew 1.9% and in 2023 it is projected to shrink .3%.

    In 2022, Russia's economy shrank 2.1% but in 2023 it is projected to grow 2.8%.

    So from 2022-2023:

    UK's economy will have grown about 4.4%
    Germany's will have grown about 1.6%
    Russia's will have grown about .7%.

    So after the war, Russia has fallen further behind Germany and UK.

    And in 2021, Russia's economy had grown 5.6%! So the war cut short an economic rally for Russia.

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locations=DE-GB-RU

    You must have gotten too excited by the 2023 numbers (when Russia does outperform the other two countries) , and your little mind couldn't handle the fact that 2022 was also after the war.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Then there’s the Kiev regime which pretty much relies exclusively on handouts.

    As for your cherry picks, there’re numerous other counters contradicting what your uber svido mind highlight.

    https://intellinews.com/russia-overtakes-germany-to-become-fifth-biggest-economy-in-the-world-in-gdp-on-a-ppp-basis-286944/

    Latest IMF data shows Russia outperforming Germany and UK
    https://infobrics.org/post/37665

    In the US, food, energy, auto and home costs remain high, relative to real income wages. With the exception of turkey, Thanksgiving dinner food items have increased in price as was evident with the price of Halloween candy. These are just some of the variables to consider, which explains why the American public aren’t so gung ho on funding the corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced Kiev regime, which has blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikhail

    Did you read Simplicius' game of thrones post? He had a ton of detail in there but I am not informed for estimating the accuracy of it.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @AP
    @Mikhail


    As for your cherry picks,
     
    You screwed up (as usual) and claimed that since the war started, Russia's economy has grown more than the economies of the UK and Germany.

    That was incorrect.

    I simply pointed that out.

    https://intellinews.com/russia-overtakes-germany-to-become-fifth-biggest-economy-in-the-world-in-gdp-on-a-ppp-basis-286944/

     

    That's in GDP PPP. It means Russia has gotten cheaper. It doesn't mean it has more of an economy.

    Latest IMF data shows Russia outperforming Germany and UK
     
    Yes, in 2023.

    That's exactly what I said.

    But it wasn't enough to compensate for the 2022 loss.

    Is it too much information for you to process at once?

    You wrote:

    He stays away from facts like IMF reports indicating the Russian economy has done better than German’s and the UK since 2/24/22.
     
    When instead, since 2022 Russia has fallen further behind the UK and Germany.

    Actually IMF has worse data for Russia than Worldbank.

    IMF:

    https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDP_RPCH@WEO/RUS?zoom=RUS&highlight=RUS

    Russia's Real GDP growth was -2.2% in 2022, projected to be +2.2% for 2023.

    So since the war started, .1% growth for Russia, according to the IMF whom you cited.

    Now let's look at Germany, according to IMF, whom you cited:

    https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDP_RPCH@WEO/RUS/DEU

    Germany's Real GDP growth was +1.8% in 2022, projected to be -.5% for 2023.

    So since the war started, 1.3% growth for Germany, according to the IMF whom you cited.

    You mentioned UK also. Well:

    https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDP_RPCH@WEO/RUS/DEU/GBR

    UK's Real GDP growth was +4.1% in 2022, projected to be +.5% for 2023.

    So since the war started, 4.6% growth for UK, according to the IMF whom you cited.

    So when you claimed "the Russian economy has done better than German’s and the UK since 2/24/22"

    You screwed up as usual.

    Because, as we see above, according to the IMF, real GDP of the UK grew 4.6% since the war started, for Germany grew 1.3%, but for Russia only grew .1%.

    Sadly for Russia, in the 4 years prior to the war Russia did outperform Germany and the UK. The war stopped that cold.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @silviosilver

  911. @AP
    @QCIC


    Most Ukrainians who can make a nuclear weapon probably left a long time ago.
     
    You mean the ones who are still designing and improving Ukrainian missiles and making new Ukrainian drones? The ones running Ukraine's several nuclear power plants?

    Since you want to kill a bunch of Russians
     
    I do not. I understand that you have filled your head with all sorts of fantasies - of biolabs, of Russia being the victim rather than the aggressor - but please leave me out of them. You are a rather bloodthirsty creature.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Your position on Ukraine is easy to understand and I am partially sympathetic to it.

    My position on the West versus Russia seems to be permanently hidden from your view. Most people of your “station” would have fully understood my position in 1990, even the uber-hawks on all sides. They might not have agreed with it but would have recognized it as a valid and significant position worthy of consideration by serious people. Thirty five years of propaganda combined with the ravages of time have left people such as yourself unable to even see the points I am making.

    I believe > 95% of the superstar engineers have left Ukraine. The Soviet-trained professionals could have done the drone and cruise missile work you mention in their sleep. The most interesting post-USSR Ukrainian aerospace developments I know of include the An-178 aircraft variant and the afterburning variant of the AI-322 turbofan (developed for China). These are both based on Soviet precursors but nice work was done post 1990. Two others are the Antares rocket first stage (probably based on the Zenit) which which uses a Russian engine and the Vega upper stage which uses a Ukrainian engine.

  912. @Mikhail
    @AP

    Then there's the Kiev regime which pretty much relies exclusively on handouts.

    As for your cherry picks, there're numerous other counters contradicting what your uber svido mind highlight.

    https://intellinews.com/russia-overtakes-germany-to-become-fifth-biggest-economy-in-the-world-in-gdp-on-a-ppp-basis-286944/

    Latest IMF data shows Russia outperforming Germany and UK
    https://infobrics.org/post/37665

    In the US, food, energy, auto and home costs remain high, relative to real income wages. With the exception of turkey, Thanksgiving dinner food items have increased in price as was evident with the price of Halloween candy. These are just some of the variables to consider, which explains why the American public aren't so gung ho on funding the corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced Kiev regime, which has blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP

    Did you read Simplicius’ game of thrones post? He had a ton of detail in there but I am not informed for estimating the accuracy of it.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    No. Please link if possible.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  913. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel

    Now see the mammals on O. J. Simpson's jury listened to a tape recording of his wife crying to the 911 operator while O. J. was wailing on her and they were not affected. Probably thought the bitch deserved it.

    https://www.clickitticket.com/nfl-domestic-violence/

    O. J. is not close to the only murderer. Alleged. He was acquitted.

    Replies: @Mikel, @LatW

    Now see the mammals on O. J. Simpson’s jury listened to a tape recording of his wife crying to the 911 operator while O. J. was wailing on her and they were not affected.

    I don’t know too much about the details of that case but they must have been mammals in name only, same as the Sikh amphibian here.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel

    It is good information to know. Feminists love negroes in their propaganda displays. And negroes beat the crap out of their women by default. High status women do not do relationships with negroes. They know better.

    Everybody is sick of Kardashians but they are a fascinating case. The word for those girls is trash. One of these days we might expect one of them to show up beaten to death. If you are curious where they came from, O. J. Simpson made them famous. The big one could be his daughter.

    Replies: @LatW, @Sher Singh

    , @Sher Singh
    @Mikel

    Everyone but W Euros hits women.
    Everyone but W Euros will exist in a century.

    Funny that.
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AwpRgNyljz0

  914. @Mikhail
    @AP

    Then there's the Kiev regime which pretty much relies exclusively on handouts.

    As for your cherry picks, there're numerous other counters contradicting what your uber svido mind highlight.

    https://intellinews.com/russia-overtakes-germany-to-become-fifth-biggest-economy-in-the-world-in-gdp-on-a-ppp-basis-286944/

    Latest IMF data shows Russia outperforming Germany and UK
    https://infobrics.org/post/37665

    In the US, food, energy, auto and home costs remain high, relative to real income wages. With the exception of turkey, Thanksgiving dinner food items have increased in price as was evident with the price of Halloween candy. These are just some of the variables to consider, which explains why the American public aren't so gung ho on funding the corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced Kiev regime, which has blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP

    As for your cherry picks,

    You screwed up (as usual) and claimed that since the war started, Russia’s economy has grown more than the economies of the UK and Germany.

    That was incorrect.

    I simply pointed that out.

    https://intellinews.com/russia-overtakes-germany-to-become-fifth-biggest-economy-in-the-world-in-gdp-on-a-ppp-basis-286944/

    That’s in GDP PPP. It means Russia has gotten cheaper. It doesn’t mean it has more of an economy.

    Latest IMF data shows Russia outperforming Germany and UK

    Yes, in 2023.

    That’s exactly what I said.

    But it wasn’t enough to compensate for the 2022 loss.

    Is it too much information for you to process at once?

    You wrote:

    He stays away from facts like IMF reports indicating the Russian economy has done better than German’s and the UK since 2/24/22.

    When instead, since 2022 Russia has fallen further behind the UK and Germany.

    Actually IMF has worse data for Russia than Worldbank.

    IMF:

    https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDP_RPCH@WEO/RUS?zoom=RUS&highlight=RUS

    Russia’s Real GDP growth was -2.2% in 2022, projected to be +2.2% for 2023.

    So since the war started, .1% growth for Russia, according to the IMF whom you cited.

    Now let’s look at Germany, according to IMF, whom you cited:

    https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDP_RPCH@WEO/RUS/DEU

    Germany’s Real GDP growth was +1.8% in 2022, projected to be -.5% for 2023.

    So since the war started, 1.3% growth for Germany, according to the IMF whom you cited.

    You mentioned UK also. Well:

    https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDP_RPCH@WEO/RUS/DEU/GBR

    UK’s Real GDP growth was +4.1% in 2022, projected to be +.5% for 2023.

    So since the war started, 4.6% growth for UK, according to the IMF whom you cited.

    So when you claimed “the Russian economy has done better than German’s and the UK since 2/24/22”

    You screwed up as usual.

    Because, as we see above, according to the IMF, real GDP of the UK grew 4.6% since the war started, for Germany grew 1.3%, but for Russia only grew .1%.

    Sadly for Russia, in the 4 years prior to the war Russia did outperform Germany and the UK. The war stopped that cold.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP

    Since 2/24/22, food and energy costs in the UK and Germany remain higher than Russia's. My sources throughout Russia are frank on what's right and wrong. The place isn't dramatically hurting, thereby explaining the good overall morale in that great nation,

    Replies: @AP

    , @silviosilver
    @AP


    That’s in GDP PPP. It means Russia has gotten cheaper. It doesn’t mean it has more of an economy.
     
    It doesn't mean that. Russia may have gotten cheaper (relative to whatever you had in mind) or it may not have, but it's beside the point. PPP growth is still real growth. It's just that overtaking a country in terms of PPP isn't necessarily much of an achievement. Thulean was wrong to dismiss it as "poor people's parity" (or whatever he called it) - it's not completely meaningless - but you can slightly tweak the assumptions that going into creating the PPP and come out with a very different result. You need to take into the consideration the technological level of what a country produces compared to another country. The greater the technological difference, the less meaningful the PPPs; and vice versa. Russia slightly edging ahead of Germany in PPP doesn't impress me at all. If Russia moved ahead by, say, 50% then I'd start regarding that as meaningful. On the other hand, a Serbia catching up to a Croatia in PPPs (hypothetically, not claiming it's happened), that would be a more meaningful story.

    Replies: @AP, @Dmitry

  915. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel

    Now see the mammals on O. J. Simpson's jury listened to a tape recording of his wife crying to the 911 operator while O. J. was wailing on her and they were not affected. Probably thought the bitch deserved it.

    https://www.clickitticket.com/nfl-domestic-violence/

    O. J. is not close to the only murderer. Alleged. He was acquitted.

    Replies: @Mikel, @LatW

    Now see the mammals on O. J. Simpson’s jury listened to a tape recording of his wife crying to the 911 operator while O. J. was wailing on her and they were not affected. Probably thought the bitch deserved it.

    You probably believe that she deserved it because she slept with a black. But the problem with that is that it’s not just the White woman’s responsibility here – her whole society made this historically possible by emancipating and then lionizing the black male and essentially worshipping his athleticism. Not to mention paying him a ton of money and making him a celebrity. Women just follow, it’s a normal female instinct. What is not normal is that she lived in a multi-racial society and was exposed. She was not properly protected (not to mention that black men are more active and less hesitant in making moves).

    • Agree: S
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW


    You probably believe that she deserved it
     
    Probably not.

    Do you believe in free will?

    Replies: @LatW

  916. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikhail

    Did you read Simplicius' game of thrones post? He had a ton of detail in there but I am not informed for estimating the accuracy of it.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    No. Please link if possible.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikhail

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/wild-day-as-the-ukrainian-game-of

    Wild Day as the Ukrainian Game of Thrones Revs Up!
    Simplicius The Thinker
    Nov 13, 2023

    Replies: @AP, @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

  917. @AP
    @Mikhail


    As for your cherry picks,
     
    You screwed up (as usual) and claimed that since the war started, Russia's economy has grown more than the economies of the UK and Germany.

    That was incorrect.

    I simply pointed that out.

    https://intellinews.com/russia-overtakes-germany-to-become-fifth-biggest-economy-in-the-world-in-gdp-on-a-ppp-basis-286944/

     

    That's in GDP PPP. It means Russia has gotten cheaper. It doesn't mean it has more of an economy.

    Latest IMF data shows Russia outperforming Germany and UK
     
    Yes, in 2023.

    That's exactly what I said.

    But it wasn't enough to compensate for the 2022 loss.

    Is it too much information for you to process at once?

    You wrote:

    He stays away from facts like IMF reports indicating the Russian economy has done better than German’s and the UK since 2/24/22.
     
    When instead, since 2022 Russia has fallen further behind the UK and Germany.

    Actually IMF has worse data for Russia than Worldbank.

    IMF:

    https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDP_RPCH@WEO/RUS?zoom=RUS&highlight=RUS

    Russia's Real GDP growth was -2.2% in 2022, projected to be +2.2% for 2023.

    So since the war started, .1% growth for Russia, according to the IMF whom you cited.

    Now let's look at Germany, according to IMF, whom you cited:

    https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDP_RPCH@WEO/RUS/DEU

    Germany's Real GDP growth was +1.8% in 2022, projected to be -.5% for 2023.

    So since the war started, 1.3% growth for Germany, according to the IMF whom you cited.

    You mentioned UK also. Well:

    https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDP_RPCH@WEO/RUS/DEU/GBR

    UK's Real GDP growth was +4.1% in 2022, projected to be +.5% for 2023.

    So since the war started, 4.6% growth for UK, according to the IMF whom you cited.

    So when you claimed "the Russian economy has done better than German’s and the UK since 2/24/22"

    You screwed up as usual.

    Because, as we see above, according to the IMF, real GDP of the UK grew 4.6% since the war started, for Germany grew 1.3%, but for Russia only grew .1%.

    Sadly for Russia, in the 4 years prior to the war Russia did outperform Germany and the UK. The war stopped that cold.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @silviosilver

    Since 2/24/22, food and energy costs in the UK and Germany remain higher than Russia’s. My sources throughout Russia are frank on what’s right and wrong. The place isn’t dramatically hurting, thereby explaining the good overall morale in that great nation,

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail


    Since 2/24/22, food and energy costs in the UK and Germany remain higher than Russia’s
     
    I'm sure they are. Poorer countries tend to have cheap prices than richer ones.

    But you wrote:

    "IMF reports indicating the Russian economy has done better than German’s and the UK since 2/24/22."

    And you were wrong, as you typically are.

    The place [Russia] isn’t dramatically hurting
     
    Depends where. Moscow certainly isn't. My wife is there now, Moscow is doing fine. People enjoy life there.

    But our friend who recently returned from a small city in the Volga region reported that things are pretty bad there. Lots of funerals, people are angry and miserable.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2023-07-11/russians-fear-the-worst-is-yet-to-come-new-polling-indicates

    Of the more than 1,600 Russians polled by the independent Levada Center, 58% believe that “hard times are yet to come” – the largest percentage of respondents with that dismal view in the last 15 years.

    Levada in January 2023, about 2022:

    https://www.levada.ru/en/2023/01/30/how-russians-see-the-results-of-2022/

    https://www.levada.ru/cp/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/image-68-1024x641.png

    Russians viewed 2022 as worse for Russia than any year other than 2020 (the year of Covid) and some years in the 1990s.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  918. @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Now see the mammals on O. J. Simpson’s jury listened to a tape recording of his wife crying to the 911 operator while O. J. was wailing on her and they were not affected.
     
    I don't know too much about the details of that case but they must have been mammals in name only, same as the Sikh amphibian here.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh

    It is good information to know. Feminists love negroes in their propaganda displays. And negroes beat the crap out of their women by default. High status women do not do relationships with negroes. They know better.

    Everybody is sick of Kardashians but they are a fascinating case. The word for those girls is trash. One of these days we might expect one of them to show up beaten to death. If you are curious where they came from, O. J. Simpson made them famous. The big one could be his daughter.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    High status women do not do relationships with negroes. They know better.
     
    Well, not only that but most White women are not physically attracted to other races (or their attraction might be too mild to make a difference). If they were, we'd be seeing way more of such couplings.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Sher Singh
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66804252


    Norway's Princess Martha Louise will marry her American partner, self-styled shaman Durek Verrett, next summer, the couple has announced.

    King Harald V congratulated the pair, saying he was happy to welcome Mr Verrett to his family.

    "We are incredibly happy to be able to celebrate our love in Geiranger's beautiful surroundings. It means a lot to us to gather our loved ones in a place that is so rich in history and spectacular nature," the couple said.

    Mr Verrett will move to Norway and join the royal family without holding a title, Norway's state broadcaster NRK reported.

    The Hollywood guru, who describes himself as a "6th Generation Shaman" - has claimed to have risen from the dead and to have predicted the 9/11 attacks in the United States two years before they took place.

    Mr Verrett, who is African-American, has acknowledged that his beliefs can be uncomfortable for some, and has argued the criticism he faces is due to racism.
     


    Well, not only that but most White women are not physically attracted to other races (or their attraction might be too mild to make a difference). If they were, we’d be seeing way more of such couplings.
     
    Doesn't matter when only non-white men are available.

    Emil you were the one who said it's fair for others to be cucked because you are right?

    Replies: @LatW, @Emil Nikola Richard

  919. @Mikhail
    @AP

    Since 2/24/22, food and energy costs in the UK and Germany remain higher than Russia's. My sources throughout Russia are frank on what's right and wrong. The place isn't dramatically hurting, thereby explaining the good overall morale in that great nation,

    Replies: @AP

    Since 2/24/22, food and energy costs in the UK and Germany remain higher than Russia’s

    I’m sure they are. Poorer countries tend to have cheap prices than richer ones.

    But you wrote:

    “IMF reports indicating the Russian economy has done better than German’s and the UK since 2/24/22.”

    And you were wrong, as you typically are.

    The place [Russia] isn’t dramatically hurting

    Depends where. Moscow certainly isn’t. My wife is there now, Moscow is doing fine. People enjoy life there.

    But our friend who recently returned from a small city in the Volga region reported that things are pretty bad there. Lots of funerals, people are angry and miserable.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2023-07-11/russians-fear-the-worst-is-yet-to-come-new-polling-indicates

    Of the more than 1,600 Russians polled by the independent Levada Center, 58% believe that “hard times are yet to come” – the largest percentage of respondents with that dismal view in the last 15 years.

    Levada in January 2023, about 2022:

    https://www.levada.ru/en/2023/01/30/how-russians-see-the-results-of-2022/

    Russians viewed 2022 as worse for Russia than any year other than 2020 (the year of Covid) and some years in the 1990s.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP

    Much better than Kiev regime controlled Ukraine. Besides Moscow, the situations in St. Petersburg, Kazan, Novosibirsk, Sochi and Nizhny Novgorod appear relatively unaffected from the SMO (since 2/24/22) as is true of much of the rest of the country.

    As for the food and energy situation, the costs and availability for such in Russia are lower than the UK and Germany because Russia is far more self sufficient than the other two

    From one of your linked sources:



    Three-quarters still say they are in a good or normal mood, though that number dropped by 3% compared to last month. Those experiencing stress or fear rose from 20% last month to a quarter as of the end of June.

    For those who feel good about Russia’s direction, more than a third agreed that “foreign and domestic policies are correct, I support Putin’s course,” according to a translation. Roughly a quarter each offered that they believed that public welfare, social protections, affordable medicine and education are improving, as well as that the economic, agricultural and production sectors are rising.
     
  920. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel

    It is good information to know. Feminists love negroes in their propaganda displays. And negroes beat the crap out of their women by default. High status women do not do relationships with negroes. They know better.

    Everybody is sick of Kardashians but they are a fascinating case. The word for those girls is trash. One of these days we might expect one of them to show up beaten to death. If you are curious where they came from, O. J. Simpson made them famous. The big one could be his daughter.

    Replies: @LatW, @Sher Singh

    High status women do not do relationships with negroes. They know better.

    Well, not only that but most White women are not physically attracted to other races (or their attraction might be too mild to make a difference). If they were, we’d be seeing way more of such couplings.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Actually, IIRC, some white women do appear to have a fetish for black men due to black men being hyper-masculine relative to white men (and some women prefer hyper-masculinity, after all). But white women in general still appear to significantly prefer to date white men over dating black men, unless one believes that there are simply too few black men for all of the ones who want a black lover to date.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  921. @Mikhail
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    No. Please link if possible.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/wild-day-as-the-ukrainian-game-of

    Wild Day as the Ukrainian Game of Thrones Revs Up!
    Simplicius The Thinker
    Nov 13, 2023

    • Thanks: Mikhail
    • Replies: @AP
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Where does one find clowns like "Simplicius the Thinker." Oh, he has a "garden of knowledge."

    It's like the Saker. Has he reappeared?

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mikhail
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Very interesting read. I earlier said the Zelensky could very well end up like or somewhat like Diem. Burns no doubt went to Kiev to seek damage control and better assess the situation there.

    Given it's comparatively strong position, Russia has no basis to seek a ceasefire, with the Minsk 2 signing in mind and what was understood to likely occur with the 2022 Istanbul talks, prior to Western geopolitical establishment meddling.

    As I've said, Russia might very well accept all of the former Ukrainian SSR territory it has so far liberated as final in exchange for a non-NATO limited military in Ukraine, as well as ending the sanctions, especially the hypocritically bigoted one in sports. The Russian compromise on this would be that there're parts of Kherson, Donbass and Zaporozhe not under Russian control.

    I don't expect the collective West and its Kiev regime proxy to accept this proposal. That stance presents the greater likelihood of Russia gaining more territory.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    You know, you could do much better while visiting Substack than reading this moron, simplicius? Try "Rurik Skywalker's" (Rolo Slavskiy) "The Slavland Chronicles" who at one time even had his threads posted here within Unz. One of his latest posts seems to validate a lot of what Ivashka was spreading here at this website, only in slightly veiled tones:


    The state-sponsored Islamification effort of Russia is the topic of the discussion today. There is no point in denying it — it is happening. I don’t even think that the shills deny it anymore and they instead portray this as a good thing. If before, it was hushed up, now Putin brags about his anti-Russian agenda openly. And of course, shameless shills like Saker were very enthusiastic about the program in their time as well. They argued that it was proof that Russia was anti-racist and that the West was run by Anglo-Nazis who were only pretending to be tolerant. This is, of course, the Kremlin line as well. They are trying to beat the West at its own game when it comes to multi-kulti.

    Furthermore, the Islam and migrant thing in Russia is yet further proof of a) a global mitzvah aimed at all White countries b) proof of the Kremlin’s complicity in the scheme and c) proof that none of this is “democratic” and is just forced on the people.
     

    To get more information as to why old Putler has built 8,000 new mosques in recent years, read here (great piece):
    https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/good-news-patriots-president-putin

    Sorry Ivashka, I apologise for doubting your "One world government" theories with Klaus Scwab running the whole show, for even a few minutes. You can come back now!

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  922. @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Now see the mammals on O. J. Simpson’s jury listened to a tape recording of his wife crying to the 911 operator while O. J. was wailing on her and they were not affected.
     
    I don't know too much about the details of that case but they must have been mammals in name only, same as the Sikh amphibian here.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh

    Everyone but W Euros hits women.
    Everyone but W Euros will exist in a century.

    Funny that.
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AwpRgNyljz0

  923. @LatW
    @silviosilver


    But you know, if someone really wants see what an unflinching view of racial realities as they stand on our planet on looks like, no-holds-barred racial forums are the place to go, and I don’t mind taking on the role of that dude who’ll give you the unvarnished truth.
     

    Haha, good one. :)

    I hadn't been watching the so called "lamestream" media for a while (had been living in my Ukro language bubble for a long time) but with this renewed Israeli-Arab conflict, I started watching regular channels again. And I got a little startled, since, having taken that break, and coming back to it, things seemed to have gotten crazier than before (of course, this conflict is out of the ordinary in a way, so this kind of media content may not be fully normal). I watched some Piers Morgan Uncensored - and omg - there are all these minorities with British citizenship that come on the show and argue (sometimes even by raising their voice). I was only able to watch a few minutes of an Arab and a Jew arguing (both smart), because they immediately started screaming at each other (this is not something we need at all).

    Another problem they seem to have in the UK is former ISIS girlfriends / wives, such as someone named Shamima Begum (who joined ISIS, had children with an ISIS fighter who died, was stripped of British citizenship and is pining in some camp in Syria and now begging to come back to the UK). She was very young when it happened (15yo), so that might be a slightly mitigating factor, however, I noticed that she had a very smooth talking Arabic lawyer (and ofc all of this is happening at the British tax payers' expense), it made me concerned, knowing that there are probably armies of such "ethnic" lawyers out there in the Western world. It made me worry that if this happened eventually in the Baltic states (not ISIS related but some other "brown people problem" with immigration or religion or intolerance or what not), then my people will be too naive to handle this (because these Semites, either Jews or Arabs, will find it easy to manipulate them - we already have such an issue with Jews defending the Russian minority and as an extension all other diverse ones that come in a long line). Not because my people are dumb, but because they're not as glib and as manipulative. So my fear is that they will understand what is going on (rationally), but won't be able to acquire the proper tools to fight against it.

    Another show that really scared me was Rising (on The Hill), if this is the new America, I'm not sure I want to have anything to do with it. It is some kind of a new left propaganda channel with highly ideologized, barely 30 year old hosts. And it's not even generational (because I connect with 20-30 year old right wingers very well). Does this stuff ever make you feel uneasy?

    I was wondering if you had any advice on how to handle this in Eastern Euro countries (since you are both E.Euro and have lived around Anglos all your life in a multi-cultural setting)? Things seem to have gone very far that way in the West. My first idea was that it would be worth highlighting to E.Euros where this leads. Because people don't really know how these second gen etc immigrants really feel about their hosts and that they're not planning to assimilate. That they're totally ok with saying this such as "it is not your homeland" (even if your people have lived there for thousands of years and built most things there). I can guarantee you this will drive most EEs up the wall. But how to fight against it...

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @silviosilver

    Sikhs have a place in Canada beyond the reach of some Baltic Dalit.
    Stop being butthurt & you can’t harm minorities due to America.

    They’ll bomb you if you launch pogroms.
    Learn who your real enemy is.
    You’ll stop wanting to be “white” after 1 trip to the West, trust me LOL.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20160304070043/http://mosmaiorum.org/persecution_list.html

    Abrahamics are not European, end of.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Sher Singh


    you can’t harm minorities due to America.

    They’ll bomb you if you launch pogroms.
     

    Congratulations on being a pussy who hides behind the woke regime.

    The woke regime will crumble.

    Btw, those Hindus and the Sikh featured in that piece that Noviop posted - they all fear going to the clubs (I watched that program). Rightly so. Good boys, sit quietly in your dorm. Then bounce (off to better pastures). The nerdy one with the turban can stay (unless he starts running his mouth the way you do).

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  924. Sher Singh says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel

    It is good information to know. Feminists love negroes in their propaganda displays. And negroes beat the crap out of their women by default. High status women do not do relationships with negroes. They know better.

    Everybody is sick of Kardashians but they are a fascinating case. The word for those girls is trash. One of these days we might expect one of them to show up beaten to death. If you are curious where they came from, O. J. Simpson made them famous. The big one could be his daughter.

    Replies: @LatW, @Sher Singh

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66804252

    Norway’s Princess Martha Louise will marry her American partner, self-styled shaman Durek Verrett, next summer, the couple has announced.

    King Harald V congratulated the pair, saying he was happy to welcome Mr Verrett to his family.

    “We are incredibly happy to be able to celebrate our love in Geiranger’s beautiful surroundings. It means a lot to us to gather our loved ones in a place that is so rich in history and spectacular nature,” the couple said.

    Mr Verrett will move to Norway and join the royal family without holding a title, Norway’s state broadcaster NRK reported.

    The Hollywood guru, who describes himself as a “6th Generation Shaman” – has claimed to have risen from the dead and to have predicted the 9/11 attacks in the United States two years before they took place.

    Mr Verrett, who is African-American, has acknowledged that his beliefs can be uncomfortable for some, and has argued the criticism he faces is due to racism.

    Well, not only that but most White women are not physically attracted to other races (or their attraction might be too mild to make a difference). If they were, we’d be seeing way more of such couplings.

    Doesn’t matter when only non-white men are available.

    Emil you were the one who said it’s fair for others to be cucked because you are right?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Sher Singh


    Doesn’t matter when only non-white men are available.
     
    Are you really too dense to understand that there won't be such a world where there are only White women and no White men? The beauty of the White women will disappear together with their men.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    You left out the part where he has a mind cure for cancer and covid.

    But you have demonstrated rhetorical mastery in remembering the best contrary evidence so kudos for that.

    Cuck is a stupid word. Delete it from your vocabulary. It has never been in mine.

    Never forget that all blanket statements are erroneous! Except this one of course. Make that all blanket statements but one.

  925. @AP
    @Mikhail


    As for your cherry picks,
     
    You screwed up (as usual) and claimed that since the war started, Russia's economy has grown more than the economies of the UK and Germany.

    That was incorrect.

    I simply pointed that out.

    https://intellinews.com/russia-overtakes-germany-to-become-fifth-biggest-economy-in-the-world-in-gdp-on-a-ppp-basis-286944/

     

    That's in GDP PPP. It means Russia has gotten cheaper. It doesn't mean it has more of an economy.

    Latest IMF data shows Russia outperforming Germany and UK
     
    Yes, in 2023.

    That's exactly what I said.

    But it wasn't enough to compensate for the 2022 loss.

    Is it too much information for you to process at once?

    You wrote:

    He stays away from facts like IMF reports indicating the Russian economy has done better than German’s and the UK since 2/24/22.
     
    When instead, since 2022 Russia has fallen further behind the UK and Germany.

    Actually IMF has worse data for Russia than Worldbank.

    IMF:

    https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDP_RPCH@WEO/RUS?zoom=RUS&highlight=RUS

    Russia's Real GDP growth was -2.2% in 2022, projected to be +2.2% for 2023.

    So since the war started, .1% growth for Russia, according to the IMF whom you cited.

    Now let's look at Germany, according to IMF, whom you cited:

    https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDP_RPCH@WEO/RUS/DEU

    Germany's Real GDP growth was +1.8% in 2022, projected to be -.5% for 2023.

    So since the war started, 1.3% growth for Germany, according to the IMF whom you cited.

    You mentioned UK also. Well:

    https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDP_RPCH@WEO/RUS/DEU/GBR

    UK's Real GDP growth was +4.1% in 2022, projected to be +.5% for 2023.

    So since the war started, 4.6% growth for UK, according to the IMF whom you cited.

    So when you claimed "the Russian economy has done better than German’s and the UK since 2/24/22"

    You screwed up as usual.

    Because, as we see above, according to the IMF, real GDP of the UK grew 4.6% since the war started, for Germany grew 1.3%, but for Russia only grew .1%.

    Sadly for Russia, in the 4 years prior to the war Russia did outperform Germany and the UK. The war stopped that cold.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @silviosilver

    That’s in GDP PPP. It means Russia has gotten cheaper. It doesn’t mean it has more of an economy.

    It doesn’t mean that. Russia may have gotten cheaper (relative to whatever you had in mind) or it may not have, but it’s beside the point. PPP growth is still real growth. It’s just that overtaking a country in terms of PPP isn’t necessarily much of an achievement. Thulean was wrong to dismiss it as “poor people’s parity” (or whatever he called it) – it’s not completely meaningless – but you can slightly tweak the assumptions that going into creating the PPP and come out with a very different result. You need to take into the consideration the technological level of what a country produces compared to another country. The greater the technological difference, the less meaningful the PPPs; and vice versa. Russia slightly edging ahead of Germany in PPP doesn’t impress me at all. If Russia moved ahead by, say, 50% then I’d start regarding that as meaningful. On the other hand, a Serbia catching up to a Croatia in PPPs (hypothetically, not claiming it’s happened), that would be a more meaningful story.

    • Replies: @AP
    @silviosilver


    That’s in GDP PPP. It means Russia has gotten cheaper. It doesn’t mean it has more of an economy.

    It doesn’t mean that. Russia may have gotten cheaper (relative to whatever you had in mind) or it may not have, but it’s beside the point. PPP growth is still real growth.
     
    Russia's nominal GDP has declined relative to Germany's, but its GDP PPP has increased relative to Germany's.

    It means that goods and services within Russia have become cheaper, so there is more buying power within the country relative to the GDP. But as Dmitry was pointing out, this may be somewhat misleading because it doesn't take into account quality of those goods and services. So a Russian refrigerator may be cheaper than an American one, but it might also be a lot worse although both are counted the same.

    Thulean was wrong to dismiss it as “poor people’s parity” (or whatever he called it) – it’s not completely meaningless
     
    I agree that it isn't completely meaningless, it tells us a bit about quality of life and production within a given country.
    , @Dmitry
    @silviosilver

    PPP is designed originally for measuring the standard of living inside the country, it was designed for per capita measurement. For comparison between countries economy, it would usually be nominal, because when the money crosses the border it has to be converted. So, power in international trade will be indicated in the nominal figure.

    In terms of PPP as using comparison between standard of living between countries, it's necessary because prices vary. But it's still quite a bit inaccurate, also conceptually a type of "creative accounting". People in different countries buy different baskets of products. ICP uses substitute products depending on the buying habit in each country. So, if people are buying BMWs in Switzerland, while they are buying Lada in Ukraine. For the PPP calculation, it's the same product, just with different prices. But, the quality of the product varies.

    Differences between prices across countries is caused by things like different cost of labor. For example, MacDonald’s in Australia pays $17-$18 an hour for the same job, McDonald’s in Russia pays $1,90 an hour. The end result, is expensive Big Mac – $6.45. In Ireland, for example, Big Mac on its own is €4.33. In Russia before 2022 – 130 rubles (around $1,50 nowadays). If salaries increase, then there will be increase in prices for those kind of services.


    vice versa. Russia slightly edging ahead of Germany in PPP doesn’t impress me at all.
     
    In 2022 Russia's GDP was -2,1%. In 2023, Russia's economy will grow around 1,1% according to IMF.

    War in Ukraine increased the cost of oil/gas to the highest levels for years. Before 2022, Saudi Arabi and Russia economy growth is usually matching the price of oil.

    In 2022, Saudi Arabia's economy grows 8,7%. UAE's economy grows 8%. Kuwait's economy grows 8,7%.

    How important is for Russia? It partly depends if you believe Russia's economy has limited window of opportunity or not.

    Usually, it was expected oil demand will peak in the 2030s. Now, it could perhaps peak later in the 2020s.

    Russia's window of opportunity for the easiest economic development was around 2000-2030 when the oil profits are vast and could be re-invested to develop future industries. In 2008, Medvedev said the oil profits will be re-invested to technology, so Russia will be able to diversify. Since 2008, most of the "easy mode" economic development time with the oil profits is probably expired. Russia is the most rich natural resource country in the world by far though with diverse natural resources so it will still have some extent of "easy mode" in the 2030s. But vast profits from oil will be less vast.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  926. @Sher Singh
    @LatW

    https://twitter.com/metromorning/status/852475767556591616

    Sikhs have a place in Canada beyond the reach of some Baltic Dalit.
    Stop being butthurt & you can't harm minorities due to America.

    They'll bomb you if you launch pogroms.
    Learn who your real enemy is.
    You'll stop wanting to be "white" after 1 trip to the West, trust me LOL.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20160304070043/http://mosmaiorum.org/persecution_list.html

    Abrahamics are not European, end of.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @LatW

    you can’t harm minorities due to America.

    They’ll bomb you if you launch pogroms.

    Congratulations on being a pussy who hides behind the woke regime.

    The woke regime will crumble.

    Btw, those Hindus and the Sikh featured in that piece that Noviop posted – they all fear going to the clubs (I watched that program). Rightly so. Good boys, sit quietly in your dorm. Then bounce (off to better pastures). The nerdy one with the turban can stay (unless he starts running his mouth the way you do).

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @LatW


    Rightly so. Good boys, sit quietly in your dorm. Then bounce (off to better pastures).
     
    Ma'am, white girls have never mistreated me.
    I might come to Latvia on a deployment in the near future actually.
    I have faith in all women, tbh.

    https://www.manglacharan.com/post/in-praise-of-women

    Not supporting the regime, just pointing it out.
    I'd be lying if I said I love women more than weapons..

    But, weapons are the divine form of the Goddess so.

    https://nitter.net/Yatt47/status/1725164025313394920?s=20


    @silvio PPP is a bs cope - Endia rises in PPP while sliding down the world hunger index.

    ਅਕਾਲ
  927. @Sher Singh
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66804252


    Norway's Princess Martha Louise will marry her American partner, self-styled shaman Durek Verrett, next summer, the couple has announced.

    King Harald V congratulated the pair, saying he was happy to welcome Mr Verrett to his family.

    "We are incredibly happy to be able to celebrate our love in Geiranger's beautiful surroundings. It means a lot to us to gather our loved ones in a place that is so rich in history and spectacular nature," the couple said.

    Mr Verrett will move to Norway and join the royal family without holding a title, Norway's state broadcaster NRK reported.

    The Hollywood guru, who describes himself as a "6th Generation Shaman" - has claimed to have risen from the dead and to have predicted the 9/11 attacks in the United States two years before they took place.

    Mr Verrett, who is African-American, has acknowledged that his beliefs can be uncomfortable for some, and has argued the criticism he faces is due to racism.
     


    Well, not only that but most White women are not physically attracted to other races (or their attraction might be too mild to make a difference). If they were, we’d be seeing way more of such couplings.
     
    Doesn't matter when only non-white men are available.

    Emil you were the one who said it's fair for others to be cucked because you are right?

    Replies: @LatW, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Doesn’t matter when only non-white men are available.

    Are you really too dense to understand that there won’t be such a world where there are only White women and no White men? The beauty of the White women will disappear together with their men.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @LatW

    Shut up fatass.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20201228143809/www.thestatesman.com/opinion/a-tradition-of-chivalry-83789.html

    Sikhs aren't out raping women.
    Inter-racial pairings have gone up in the West with the advent of diversity.

    Attraction is but one metric, while availability's another.
    The best way to guarantee your women don't marry out is the genocide of all other groups.

    You've taken female solipsism & applied it to race.
    Hopefully, the men of your group aren't like this or I'd gladly scalp them; cousins or not.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @John Johnson

  928. @AP
    @Mikhail


    Since 2/24/22, food and energy costs in the UK and Germany remain higher than Russia’s
     
    I'm sure they are. Poorer countries tend to have cheap prices than richer ones.

    But you wrote:

    "IMF reports indicating the Russian economy has done better than German’s and the UK since 2/24/22."

    And you were wrong, as you typically are.

    The place [Russia] isn’t dramatically hurting
     
    Depends where. Moscow certainly isn't. My wife is there now, Moscow is doing fine. People enjoy life there.

    But our friend who recently returned from a small city in the Volga region reported that things are pretty bad there. Lots of funerals, people are angry and miserable.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2023-07-11/russians-fear-the-worst-is-yet-to-come-new-polling-indicates

    Of the more than 1,600 Russians polled by the independent Levada Center, 58% believe that “hard times are yet to come” – the largest percentage of respondents with that dismal view in the last 15 years.

    Levada in January 2023, about 2022:

    https://www.levada.ru/en/2023/01/30/how-russians-see-the-results-of-2022/

    https://www.levada.ru/cp/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/image-68-1024x641.png

    Russians viewed 2022 as worse for Russia than any year other than 2020 (the year of Covid) and some years in the 1990s.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Much better than Kiev regime controlled Ukraine. Besides Moscow, the situations in St. Petersburg, Kazan, Novosibirsk, Sochi and Nizhny Novgorod appear relatively unaffected from the SMO (since 2/24/22) as is true of much of the rest of the country.

    As for the food and energy situation, the costs and availability for such in Russia are lower than the UK and Germany because Russia is far more self sufficient than the other two

    From one of your linked sources:

    Three-quarters still say they are in a good or normal mood, though that number dropped by 3% compared to last month. Those experiencing stress or fear rose from 20% last month to a quarter as of the end of June.

    For those who feel good about Russia’s direction, more than a third agreed that “foreign and domestic policies are correct, I support Putin’s course,” according to a translation. Roughly a quarter each offered that they believed that public welfare, social protections, affordable medicine and education are improving, as well as that the economic, agricultural and production sectors are rising.

  929. Sher Singh says:
    @LatW
    @Sher Singh


    you can’t harm minorities due to America.

    They’ll bomb you if you launch pogroms.
     

    Congratulations on being a pussy who hides behind the woke regime.

    The woke regime will crumble.

    Btw, those Hindus and the Sikh featured in that piece that Noviop posted - they all fear going to the clubs (I watched that program). Rightly so. Good boys, sit quietly in your dorm. Then bounce (off to better pastures). The nerdy one with the turban can stay (unless he starts running his mouth the way you do).

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Rightly so. Good boys, sit quietly in your dorm. Then bounce (off to better pastures).

    Ma’am, white girls have never mistreated me.
    I might come to Latvia on a deployment in the near future actually.
    I have faith in all women, tbh.

    https://www.manglacharan.com/post/in-praise-of-women

    Not supporting the regime, just pointing it out.
    I’d be lying if I said I love women more than weapons..

    But, weapons are the divine form of the Goddess so.

    https://nitter.net/Yatt47/status/1725164025313394920?s=20

    @silvio PPP is a bs cope – Endia rises in PPP while sliding down the world hunger index.

    ਅਕਾਲ

  930. Sher Singh says:
    @LatW
    @Sher Singh


    Doesn’t matter when only non-white men are available.
     
    Are you really too dense to understand that there won't be such a world where there are only White women and no White men? The beauty of the White women will disappear together with their men.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Shut up fatass.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20201228143809/www.thestatesman.com/opinion/a-tradition-of-chivalry-83789.html

    Sikhs aren’t out raping women.
    Inter-racial pairings have gone up in the West with the advent of diversity.

    Attraction is but one metric, while availability’s another.
    The best way to guarantee your women don’t marry out is the genocide of all other groups.

    You’ve taken female solipsism & applied it to race.
    Hopefully, the men of your group aren’t like this or I’d gladly scalp them; cousins or not.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Sher Singh

    You’ve taken female solipsism & applied it to race.
    Hopefully, the men of your group aren’t like this or I’d gladly scalp them; cousins or not.


    I don't think you will have time scalp anyone.

    You are going to have a lot of airport fares this weekend.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  931. [MORE]

    I might come to Latvia on a deployment in the near future actually.

    Not so near, they’re planning to increase the contingent to up to a brigade but the brigade will not be ready until 2026. And you wouldn’t be the only one there – we have thousands of our own troops there already (including special forces units).

    Not supporting the regime, just pointing it out.

    Oh, you think it has never occurred to me? I already said, the regime could crumble, such regimes are inherently unstable, I saw that with the USSR.

    Attraction is but one metric, while availability’s another.

    There won’t be any availability of White women at that point. You won’t have a chance to monopolize them before the world runs out of them, And attraction is already low. You should stick with your own women and not worry about White women at all.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @LatW


    Not so near, they’re planning to increase the contingent to up to a brigade but the brigade will not be ready until 2026. And you wouldn’t be the only one there – we have thousands of our own troops there already (including special forces units).
     
    Well, I'm sure they can make veiled threats toward me better than you can.

    There won’t be any availability of White women at that point. And attraction is already low. You should stick with your own women and not worry about White women at all.
     
    I was raised to care about all people.

    Replies: @LatW

  932. Sher Singh says:
    @LatW

    I might come to Latvia on a deployment in the near future actually.
     
    Not so near, they're planning to increase the contingent to up to a brigade but the brigade will not be ready until 2026. And you wouldn't be the only one there - we have thousands of our own troops there already (including special forces units).

    Not supporting the regime, just pointing it out.
     
    Oh, you think it has never occurred to me? I already said, the regime could crumble, such regimes are inherently unstable, I saw that with the USSR.

    Attraction is but one metric, while availability’s another.
     
    There won't be any availability of White women at that point. You won't have a chance to monopolize them before the world runs out of them, And attraction is already low. You should stick with your own women and not worry about White women at all.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Not so near, they’re planning to increase the contingent to up to a brigade but the brigade will not be ready until 2026. And you wouldn’t be the only one there – we have thousands of our own troops there already (including special forces units).

    Well, I’m sure they can make veiled threats toward me better than you can.

    There won’t be any availability of White women at that point. And attraction is already low. You should stick with your own women and not worry about White women at all.

    I was raised to care about all people.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Sher Singh


    Well, I’m sure they can make veiled threats toward me better than you can.
     
    This is an online forum that I don't consider safe for that kind of thing. But don't worry, nobody will threaten you over there. Least of all the ones from the regular troops (they're extremely disciplined and are very sweet peeps, even if a bit reserved).

    Most likely nothing will happen for years, but if Ukraine for some reason can't hold the current lines (they most likely will), then we have about 3-5 years before Russia could try something in the Baltics. Just an FYI.

    I was raised to care about all people.
     
    LOL. I can tell.
  933. @Sher Singh
    @LatW


    Not so near, they’re planning to increase the contingent to up to a brigade but the brigade will not be ready until 2026. And you wouldn’t be the only one there – we have thousands of our own troops there already (including special forces units).
     
    Well, I'm sure they can make veiled threats toward me better than you can.

    There won’t be any availability of White women at that point. And attraction is already low. You should stick with your own women and not worry about White women at all.
     
    I was raised to care about all people.

    Replies: @LatW

    [MORE]

    Well, I’m sure they can make veiled threats toward me better than you can.

    This is an online forum that I don’t consider safe for that kind of thing. But don’t worry, nobody will threaten you over there. Least of all the ones from the regular troops (they’re extremely disciplined and are very sweet peeps, even if a bit reserved).

    Most likely nothing will happen for years, but if Ukraine for some reason can’t hold the current lines (they most likely will), then we have about 3-5 years before Russia could try something in the Baltics. Just an FYI.

    I was raised to care about all people.

    LOL. I can tell.

  934. @silviosilver
    @AP


    That’s in GDP PPP. It means Russia has gotten cheaper. It doesn’t mean it has more of an economy.
     
    It doesn't mean that. Russia may have gotten cheaper (relative to whatever you had in mind) or it may not have, but it's beside the point. PPP growth is still real growth. It's just that overtaking a country in terms of PPP isn't necessarily much of an achievement. Thulean was wrong to dismiss it as "poor people's parity" (or whatever he called it) - it's not completely meaningless - but you can slightly tweak the assumptions that going into creating the PPP and come out with a very different result. You need to take into the consideration the technological level of what a country produces compared to another country. The greater the technological difference, the less meaningful the PPPs; and vice versa. Russia slightly edging ahead of Germany in PPP doesn't impress me at all. If Russia moved ahead by, say, 50% then I'd start regarding that as meaningful. On the other hand, a Serbia catching up to a Croatia in PPPs (hypothetically, not claiming it's happened), that would be a more meaningful story.

    Replies: @AP, @Dmitry

    That’s in GDP PPP. It means Russia has gotten cheaper. It doesn’t mean it has more of an economy.

    It doesn’t mean that. Russia may have gotten cheaper (relative to whatever you had in mind) or it may not have, but it’s beside the point. PPP growth is still real growth.

    Russia’s nominal GDP has declined relative to Germany’s, but its GDP PPP has increased relative to Germany’s.

    It means that goods and services within Russia have become cheaper, so there is more buying power within the country relative to the GDP. But as Dmitry was pointing out, this may be somewhat misleading because it doesn’t take into account quality of those goods and services. So a Russian refrigerator may be cheaper than an American one, but it might also be a lot worse although both are counted the same.

    Thulean was wrong to dismiss it as “poor people’s parity” (or whatever he called it) – it’s not completely meaningless

    I agree that it isn’t completely meaningless, it tells us a bit about quality of life and production within a given country.

  935. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikhail

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/wild-day-as-the-ukrainian-game-of

    Wild Day as the Ukrainian Game of Thrones Revs Up!
    Simplicius The Thinker
    Nov 13, 2023

    Replies: @AP, @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    Where does one find clowns like “Simplicius the Thinker.” Oh, he has a “garden of knowledge.”

    It’s like the Saker. Has he reappeared?

    • Replies: @AP
    @AP

    From his "Garden of Knowledge" this Simplicius the Thinker" wrote a funny piece back in February 2023 about Russia's pending offensive that would end Ukraine:

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/the-coming-russian-offensive-part?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

    He was even citing MacGregor approvingly. Clown citing a clown.

    His prediction in February, of what Russia would do in spring 2023:

    https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa4b61a1b-37bd-490e-8795-a2f364369df7_920x611.png

    Clown was getting really excited:

    "The West is clearly in a panic. Word recently got out that Blinken scrambled over to Ukraine with a last ditch offer of giving 20% of Ukraine (everything Russia has currently occupied) to Russia, meant to halt the invasion at the eleventh hour. They know what’s coming, and that they’re about to lose everything they’ve worked so long for. From the long years of the CIA’s Project Aerodynamic , to the billions poured in by Soros to the admitted $5 billion spent by Nuland prior to 2014, and now the over $100b committed by the West, all to topple Russia—the fruits of those century-long labors will finally rot away, along with the last desperate hopes of the dying Atlanticist empire to retain any small vestige of relevance in the world."

  936. @AP
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Where does one find clowns like "Simplicius the Thinker." Oh, he has a "garden of knowledge."

    It's like the Saker. Has he reappeared?

    Replies: @AP

    From his “Garden of Knowledge” this Simplicius the Thinker” wrote a funny piece back in February 2023 about Russia’s pending offensive that would end Ukraine:

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/the-coming-russian-offensive-part?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

    He was even citing MacGregor approvingly. Clown citing a clown.

    His prediction in February, of what Russia would do in spring 2023:

    Clown was getting really excited:

    “The West is clearly in a panic. Word recently got out that Blinken scrambled over to Ukraine with a last ditch offer of giving 20% of Ukraine (everything Russia has currently occupied) to Russia, meant to halt the invasion at the eleventh hour. They know what’s coming, and that they’re about to lose everything they’ve worked so long for. From the long years of the CIA’s Project Aerodynamic , to the billions poured in by Soros to the admitted $5 billion spent by Nuland prior to 2014, and now the over $100b committed by the West, all to topple Russia—the fruits of those century-long labors will finally rot away, along with the last desperate hopes of the dying Atlanticist empire to retain any small vestige of relevance in the world.”

  937. @LatW
    @Sher Singh


    Unshorn Hair & Weapons is the divine form of masculinity.
     
    There are such ideals in the West, too - just look at Thor (as played by Chris Hemsworth). LOL
    And hundreds of such similar heroes.

    So you're not alone. :)

    Replies: @S

    There are such ideals in the West, too – just look at Thor (as played by Chris Hemsworth). LOL. And hundreds of such similar heroes.

    This reminds me of the US actor Michael Forest who quite literally had multiple alias professional names of Alfred Thor, Russell Thor, and Russel Thor, I suppose in part to cash in on the ‘sword and sandal’ films which were big in the early 1960’s.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Forest

    I don’t know if he ever played Thor, but, though shorn, he for sure played Atlas, and Apollo too, and for the latter role he was perfectly cast..

  938. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikhail

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/wild-day-as-the-ukrainian-game-of

    Wild Day as the Ukrainian Game of Thrones Revs Up!
    Simplicius The Thinker
    Nov 13, 2023

    Replies: @AP, @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    Very interesting read. I earlier said the Zelensky could very well end up like or somewhat like Diem. Burns no doubt went to Kiev to seek damage control and better assess the situation there.

    Given it’s comparatively strong position, Russia has no basis to seek a ceasefire, with the Minsk 2 signing in mind and what was understood to likely occur with the 2022 Istanbul talks, prior to Western geopolitical establishment meddling.

    As I’ve said, Russia might very well accept all of the former Ukrainian SSR territory it has so far liberated as final in exchange for a non-NATO limited military in Ukraine, as well as ending the sanctions, especially the hypocritically bigoted one in sports. The Russian compromise on this would be that there’re parts of Kherson, Donbass and Zaporozhe not under Russian control.

    I don’t expect the collective West and its Kiev regime proxy to accept this proposal. That stance presents the greater likelihood of Russia gaining more territory.

  939. @silviosilver
    @AP


    That’s in GDP PPP. It means Russia has gotten cheaper. It doesn’t mean it has more of an economy.
     
    It doesn't mean that. Russia may have gotten cheaper (relative to whatever you had in mind) or it may not have, but it's beside the point. PPP growth is still real growth. It's just that overtaking a country in terms of PPP isn't necessarily much of an achievement. Thulean was wrong to dismiss it as "poor people's parity" (or whatever he called it) - it's not completely meaningless - but you can slightly tweak the assumptions that going into creating the PPP and come out with a very different result. You need to take into the consideration the technological level of what a country produces compared to another country. The greater the technological difference, the less meaningful the PPPs; and vice versa. Russia slightly edging ahead of Germany in PPP doesn't impress me at all. If Russia moved ahead by, say, 50% then I'd start regarding that as meaningful. On the other hand, a Serbia catching up to a Croatia in PPPs (hypothetically, not claiming it's happened), that would be a more meaningful story.

    Replies: @AP, @Dmitry

    PPP is designed originally for measuring the standard of living inside the country, it was designed for per capita measurement. For comparison between countries economy, it would usually be nominal, because when the money crosses the border it has to be converted. So, power in international trade will be indicated in the nominal figure.

    In terms of PPP as using comparison between standard of living between countries, it’s necessary because prices vary. But it’s still quite a bit inaccurate, also conceptually a type of “creative accounting”. People in different countries buy different baskets of products. ICP uses substitute products depending on the buying habit in each country. So, if people are buying BMWs in Switzerland, while they are buying Lada in Ukraine. For the PPP calculation, it’s the same product, just with different prices. But, the quality of the product varies.

    Differences between prices across countries is caused by things like different cost of labor. For example, MacDonald’s in Australia pays $17-$18 an hour for the same job, McDonald’s in Russia pays $1,90 an hour. The end result, is expensive Big Mac – $6.45. In Ireland, for example, Big Mac on its own is €4.33. In Russia before 2022 – 130 rubles (around $1,50 nowadays). If salaries increase, then there will be increase in prices for those kind of services.

    vice versa. Russia slightly edging ahead of Germany in PPP doesn’t impress me at all.

    In 2022 Russia’s GDP was -2,1%. In 2023, Russia’s economy will grow around 1,1% according to IMF.

    War in Ukraine increased the cost of oil/gas to the highest levels for years. Before 2022, Saudi Arabi and Russia economy growth is usually matching the price of oil.

    In 2022, Saudi Arabia’s economy grows 8,7%. UAE’s economy grows 8%. Kuwait’s economy grows 8,7%.

    How important is for Russia? It partly depends if you believe Russia’s economy has limited window of opportunity or not.

    Usually, it was expected oil demand will peak in the 2030s. Now, it could perhaps peak later in the 2020s.

    Russia’s window of opportunity for the easiest economic development was around 2000-2030 when the oil profits are vast and could be re-invested to develop future industries. In 2008, Medvedev said the oil profits will be re-invested to technology, so Russia will be able to diversify. Since 2008, most of the “easy mode” economic development time with the oil profits is probably expired. Russia is the most rich natural resource country in the world by far though with diverse natural resources so it will still have some extent of “easy mode” in the 2030s. But vast profits from oil will be less vast.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    In 2023, Russia’s economy will grow around 1,1% according to IMF.
     
    There was a mistake in this sentence. In 2023, Russia’s economy will grow around 2,2% according to IMF.

    Replies: @QCIC

  940. @Dmitry
    @silviosilver

    PPP is designed originally for measuring the standard of living inside the country, it was designed for per capita measurement. For comparison between countries economy, it would usually be nominal, because when the money crosses the border it has to be converted. So, power in international trade will be indicated in the nominal figure.

    In terms of PPP as using comparison between standard of living between countries, it's necessary because prices vary. But it's still quite a bit inaccurate, also conceptually a type of "creative accounting". People in different countries buy different baskets of products. ICP uses substitute products depending on the buying habit in each country. So, if people are buying BMWs in Switzerland, while they are buying Lada in Ukraine. For the PPP calculation, it's the same product, just with different prices. But, the quality of the product varies.

    Differences between prices across countries is caused by things like different cost of labor. For example, MacDonald’s in Australia pays $17-$18 an hour for the same job, McDonald’s in Russia pays $1,90 an hour. The end result, is expensive Big Mac – $6.45. In Ireland, for example, Big Mac on its own is €4.33. In Russia before 2022 – 130 rubles (around $1,50 nowadays). If salaries increase, then there will be increase in prices for those kind of services.


    vice versa. Russia slightly edging ahead of Germany in PPP doesn’t impress me at all.
     
    In 2022 Russia's GDP was -2,1%. In 2023, Russia's economy will grow around 1,1% according to IMF.

    War in Ukraine increased the cost of oil/gas to the highest levels for years. Before 2022, Saudi Arabi and Russia economy growth is usually matching the price of oil.

    In 2022, Saudi Arabia's economy grows 8,7%. UAE's economy grows 8%. Kuwait's economy grows 8,7%.

    How important is for Russia? It partly depends if you believe Russia's economy has limited window of opportunity or not.

    Usually, it was expected oil demand will peak in the 2030s. Now, it could perhaps peak later in the 2020s.

    Russia's window of opportunity for the easiest economic development was around 2000-2030 when the oil profits are vast and could be re-invested to develop future industries. In 2008, Medvedev said the oil profits will be re-invested to technology, so Russia will be able to diversify. Since 2008, most of the "easy mode" economic development time with the oil profits is probably expired. Russia is the most rich natural resource country in the world by far though with diverse natural resources so it will still have some extent of "easy mode" in the 2030s. But vast profits from oil will be less vast.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    In 2023, Russia’s economy will grow around 1,1% according to IMF.

    There was a mistake in this sentence. In 2023, Russia’s economy will grow around 2,2% according to IMF.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Dmitry

    Oil demand is being replaced by natural gas demand. In other words electric cars effectively run on natural gas in most places. The Russian fossil fuel sector will be OK for the foreseeable future.

    At some point bureaucrats will retire enough coal plants and natural gas prices may skyrocket as supply and demand hit a turning point. This will increase the price of food and many other items worldwide. Renewables with storage could offset some of this conversion, but for the moment this increases prices as well.

    The Russian nuclear industry may grow as this ridiculous process continues.

  941. @German_reader
    @ShortOnTime


    Since you’re German it’s no surprise you’re not pro-Serb. Considering everything Germany has done to Serbs in the 20th century, it’s to be expected that there’s truly no love lost between Germans and Serbs.
     
    You seem to have trouble with nuance. I think some Serb grievances are legitimate, e.g. the parts of northern Kosovo where Serbs are the majority should be re-united with Serbia, since Albanians oppressing Serbs isn't any more just or justified than Serbs oppressing Albanians. Doesn't change the fact however that plenty of Serb nationalists are nutters who go well beyond anything reasonable in their obsessive hatreds and resentments.

    Like this from Al Jazeera comparing the current Gaza war to Srebrenica lol.
     
    There actually was a massacre of a few thousand Bosniak men in Srebrenica, that isn't some invention of Islamic propaganda (even if one can argue about the wider context that had preceded the massacre, iirc Bosniak paramilitaries had previously used the UN safe zone as a staging ground for attacks on Serb villages). I don't think it justified the collective demonization of Serbs and the whitewashing of their enemies' war crimes, or the later Kosovo war, there is indeed a lot Western countries can be legitimately criticized for in this regard. But neither was Serbia some angelic, pure nation of victims (and nothing else) that was totally in the right. There's a tendency among Westerners who are repelled by the foreign policy of their own countries (for good reason) to idealize the bogeymen of official Western discourse, but imo that's a sort of overcompensation that betrays the same Manichaean way of thinking, just flipped around.

    Replies: @ShortOnTime

    You seem to have trouble with nuance.

    Nuance tends to be hard to get across in written text.

    I think some Serb grievances are legitimate, e.g. the parts of northern Kosovo where Serbs are the majority should be re-united with Serbia, since Albanians oppressing Serbs isn’t any more just or justified than Serbs oppressing Albanians.

    That’s obviously true, but the problem is that the leaderships of most NATO countries and most neighboring groups think almost completely the opposite and want to see far more blows inflicted upon Serbs. For instance, it’s amazing to think that Bosnia could easily be dismembered with Serbs, Croats and Bosnian Muslims parting ways bloodlessly in a relatively equitable manner but instead it’s a possible flashpoint for a future war because of too many reasons to quickly list.

    There actually was a massacre of a few thousand Bosniak men in Srebrenica, that isn’t some invention of Islamic propaganda (even if one can argue about the wider context that had preceded the massacre, iirc Bosniak paramilitaries had previously used the UN safe zone as a staging ground for attacks on Serb villages). I don’t think it justified the collective demonization of Serbs and the whitewashing of their enemies’ war crimes, or the later Kosovo war, there is indeed a lot Western countries can be legitimately criticized for in this regard. But neither was Serbia some angelic, pure nation of victims (and nothing else) that was totally in the right.

    Still, only Serbs got bombed on mostly false pretexts and an extremely harsh settlement was imposed on them in the 1990’s. Of a “Carthaginian Peace” sort.

    I’m not sure you really care too much about the Yugoslav Wars (1991-2001), but it’s a very interesting subject rich in history and one where it feels like almost everything that’s wrong with the world now was entrenched. The 1990’s wars there set lots of terrible precedents and it sort of feels like we’re still living in their aftermath. Like compare “Humanitarian pause” in Gaza to “Humanitarian bombing of Serbia/Yugoslavia”. Blinken (“Lift and Strike” in Bosnia) and Biden (all those psychotic statements about bombing Serbia) also played leading roles in the Yugoslav Wars and the fact they seem to wreck almost everything they tamper with in international affairs is no surprise. There’s also the fact that when Putin annexed Crimea in 2014 in that speech he quoted Kosovo’s 2008 Unilateral Declaration of Independence proclamation almost word for word. With the current Gaza War, Iran’s paramilitary and weapons smuggling infrastructure around the world has its roots in the Bosnian War back when Iran’s war effort against Republika Srpska was done in co-ordination with America and “the collective West”. When I read Samuel Huntington’s Clash of Civilizations, it was impressive just how much of it focused on the Yugoslav and Bosnian Wars, which was topical back then, but an obviously good example. I feel like these few things are only the tip of the iceberg about all the relevant issues for the present that echo from the Yugoslav Wars.

    Doesn’t change the fact however that plenty of Serb nationalists are nutters who go well beyond anything reasonable in their obsessive hatreds and resentments.

    Is that really different from any other group in ex-Yugoslavia though?

    Given what’s happening in Kosovo currently, for instance, it feels perfectly justified. It looks like Albin Kurti is trying to do to Serbs in North Kosovo what Ukraine attempted on Donbass Russians and Israel is now executing on Palestinians in Gaza and possibly the West Bank. After Ukraine and Gaza, it’s not impossible Kosovo could be the next major explosion coming up.

    But about “revenge” and score settling, it feels like that’s the major trend of this decade in the 2020s. Hard not to argue that the “aggressions” of Russia in February 2022 and Hamas on October 7th 2023 didn’t have a significant revenge component to them. Not hard to tell that Russia and Hamas are far from the only ones interested in some sort of revenge. “Blood can be smelt in the air”. With hindsight, Hamas seems to have seriously made an unwise move with hindsight. Still, reading the history of the many failed offensives of wars in the 20th century and Ukraine’s current offensive in 2023, it feels like there’s something to be said that in wars staying forever on the defensive and merely reacting is bad for morale, although caution can occasionally be the wiser course of action.

    Of course, it’s nonsense that Russia and Hamas share much in common besides being enraged with the “collective West” and specific “American allies” like Ukraine and Israel in each case. This is why the talk that the “Biden Administration” failed at “deterrence” doesn’t chime since it’s hard to deter someone that isn’t “rational” and a significant motivation is revenge. Seems that “deterrence” isn’t all about force or coercion and the sense of resentment on the “aggressor’s” part is very important too. Of course, this isn’t to be “pro-Biden” at all since to begin with, the notion that Americans have any obligation to fight or “deter” Russia and Hamas is absurd.

  942. @AP
    @Beckow


    You are losing it: threatening nuclear war on Russia,
     
    Just describing a strong possiblity. It would be a deterrent, not a suicidal act.

    Are you suggesting that Russia would force a nuclear retaliation by attacking a nuclear-armed Ukraine?

    celebrating that EU also hates the evil Russians (your words),
     
    Yes, that is how the Russians are viewed in the EU.

    Do you disagree?

    unable to accept that there is no “paused” offensive
     
    If an offensive stops because the invading side has run out of troops and equipment that had been assigned to it, it has lost.

    This one has been paused, because Ukraine has retained most of the men and equipment slated for it. Ukraine can renew it under improved conditions (such as, further Russian attrition, new weapons coming on-line, etc.) because it has not been defeated.

    This is quite simple. Your trying to twist it into something else speaks to your desperation.

    And the numbers, my god, your numbers: according to you less than 10k Ukies died in the failed offensive?
     
    It is likely, though I wouldn't exclude a number of 10k either.

    Are you one of the idiots who believes that Ukraine has lost 300,000 killed in this war?

    You were, after all, stupid enough to believe that 70,000 were killed during the summer offensive.

    Or maybe you are just bad at numbers. Slovak kids are worse than US Latinos at math, perhaps that explains it.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-new-2018-pisa-school-test-scores-usa-usa/

    I recall your hatred that only half a million Soviets died liberating Poland
     
    The only one full of hatred is you. You like the Russians, who kill Slavs.

    Nukes? Really? And you don’t think Russia would wipe them out no matter what the cost?
     
    Has America wiped out North Korea?

    Are you suggesting that Russia is even more aggressive than the USA?

    Russia would not get itself nuked by invading a nuke-armed Ukraine.

    Are you so mad and hateful that you would want to see the poor remaining Ukies to be nuked in a response?
     
    The nice thing about nukes is that they deter war and aggression. They have kept North Korea safe, and have limited India-Pakistan conflicts. And they prevented World War III.

    If Ukraine had kept its nukes or had acquired new ones, Russia would not have invaded and 100,000s of lives would have been spared. You have a problem with that?

    Why are you desperate for war, Beckow? Have not enough East Slavs been killed to your liking? Is it an expression of your anti-Slav Magyar influence? Whether it be Nazis, Communists, or Magyars, or Putin, you are the side that kills Slavs. You should examine yourself.

    Replies: @Beckow

    If Russia becomes convinced that Kiev will get nukes they will prevent it. You know it, EU knows it. The geography is very different, this is not N Korea or a more even match like India-Pakistan. Ukies also showed they are utterly irresponsible and willing to go beyond any red lines – that Nato thing in Crimea? please, what were they nuts?

    Deterrence takes a few years to develop, and in those years Russia would act. Then what? Would Kiev toss min-untested nukes at Russia and watch itself being wiped out? You want to risk it? It plays extremely badly in Europe – if you want to antagonize Euros keep on talking about Kiev acquiring nukes.

    EU also hates the evil Russians (your words),

    Yes, that is how the Russians are viewed in the EU.

    It depends. Poland, Balts, western Germans where hatred for the WW2 loss persists among many, the UK gayish high society that has always hated anything Russian, detached countries like Sweden where they look for ‘submanrines’ like total morons. And of course Prague intellectuals who know well who is the boss and predictably brown-nose to high heaven.

    But others in EU don’t. In Hungary, Slovakia, Austria, Italy, France… the polls are more even and most people say they are neutral, we all know what that means given the propaganda. If you talk about Kiev nukes that will bring it out into the open.

    70,000 were killed during the summer offensive.

    The number is a lot closer to 70k than to 10k you claimed. I don’t think 300k for either side is correct, but we are mixing killed, wounded, POWs…it has been bloody. Ukies are dying for the right to have Nato in Ukraine. Who does that? And you are proud of it.

    One last point: I talk to dozens of Ukies and none share your blood-thirstiness: they speak Russian, play at being “neutral”, and are focused on settling in, most say they would never go back. I have yet to hear a positive word about Zelko or the Kiev gment – and nobody says they will go back “and fight the evil Russkies”. You are completely misrepresenting their attitudes, probably based on your inbred “Habsburg-loving” family. How did you guys make it this far in evolution?

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    If Russia becomes convinced that Kiev will get nukes they will prevent it. You know it, EU knows it. The geography is very different, this is not N Korea or a more even match like India-Pakistan
     
    Actually, Ukraine and Russia are a more even match like India-Pakistan as we see.

    Ukies also showed they are utterly irresponsible and willing to go beyond any red lines
     
    Which further supports the likelihood of them getting nukes even over the (half-hearted) objections of their Western partners, if they don’t have another satisfactory deterrent such as NATO membership or perhaps some sort of mass drone army.

    So the choices are NATO membership or comparable security arrangement (US bases?), Ukrainian nukes, or Russia tries to conquer the whole country and occupy it.

    It depends. Poland, Balts, western Germans where hatred for the WW2 loss persists among many
     
    Poland and the Baltics remember Russian and Soviet occupation. That’s why they dislike Russia.

    It’s not about World War II loss.

    The number [killed in summer offensive] is a lot closer to 70k than to 10k you claimed
     
    Nonsense. The total number of Ukrainians killed in the entire war has been 70k (confidential US-UK estimate) to perhaps 120k.

    Summer offensive was stopped when it was determined that the minefields and trenches were too extensive. Zaluzhny, unlike Russians, does not use his troops for “meat waves.” It was then changed to mostly artillery bombardment and then trench-clearing of bombed positions. Slow, but less deadly on a mass scale.

    It may be restarted, if conditions improve.

    Ukies are dying for the right to have Nato in Ukraine. Who does that?
     
    Beckow, whose people were willing and enthusiastic servants of Magyars, then Nazis, then Bolsheviks, now Magyars again (waiting for Russians to return to their border?), can’t understand people fighting for their independence. It is so alien for Beckow that he can only think in terms of NATO.

    I suspect that a lot of the people who can only think of Ukraine as a pawn are pawns in their own lives. It’s all they know.

    One last point: I talk to dozens of Ukies and none share your blood-thirstiness: they speak Russian, play at being “neutral”, and are focused on settling in, most say they would never go back. I have yet to hear a positive word about Zelko or the Kiev gment – and nobody says they will go back “and fight the evil Russkies”

     

    Back right before and right after the war started, you insisted that Ukrainians would never fight the Russians, that they would give up. Didn’t you also brag that you knew Ukrainians and based on those whom you knew that is what Ukraine would do?

    Maybe draft dodgers in Slovakia are not a representative sample of the Ukrainian people?

    You are completely misrepresenting their attitudes
     
    Of the draft-dodging minority hiding in Slovakia? No. I don’t describe their attitudes.

    I rather describe the attitude of the general Ukrainian population. If they weren’t determined to fight for their country, Ukraine would have lost long ago. Most still want to defend it (I think around 80%). None of the family in Ukraine I speak to want to surrender.

    Of course you would never understand that. Your type understands Goebbel’s Czech lover much better.

    Habsburg-loving” family. How did you guys make it this far in evolution?

     

    We’ve done better than has your family, I’m sure :-)

    Replies: @Mikel

  943. @AP
    @ShortOnTime


    Obviously we could argue at length about whether the union with Poland was worthwhile for Lithuania. The issue was essentially that Lithuania chose not only Poland but also the Catholic faith and “the West” at that moment, which has proven to be a fraught choice ever since.
     
    I suspect that the Lithuanians are happy not to have gotten stuck in the Russo-world that Ukrainians have been trying to leave since c. 1700.

    As for AP, I’m not sure it’s worth the effort to continue my discussion with him
     
    It's tough when your Russian historical myths (which, to your credit, you know fairly well - you are least very well-read, though also demonstrating that being misinformed can be worse than being uninformed) break upon the rocks of reality.

    Replies: @ShortOnTime

    I’ll keep my reply to your bigger effort post and this one short, since there’s way too much nitpicking over historical details involved for anyone that’s not endlessly commenting on internet forums to go over.

    Being Russia’s neighbor is a nasty place to be.

    Almost all of the many immediate neighbors that Russia shares a border with (need we list them all? From Norway to North Korea?) besides Ukraine and Georgia look to be more or less fine despite any possible latent issues. Ukraine’s unique issue is that it has had the largest Russian minority outside Russia since 1991.

    Ukraine trying to align with NATO against such a great power, despite Russia having certain problems, and attempting to completely wipe out the Russian ethnic minority within Ukraine’s UN borders can’t but lead to nasty consequences for Ukraine indeed (don’t try and pretend Maidan 2014 and the still ongoing mostly deliberate Ukrainian shelling of Russian civilians in the Donbass is about anything else). For those that know the true version of events of the Russia-Ukraine conflict, it’s almost impossible to sympathize with Ukraine, especially since it seems likely Ukraine may lose even further soon. Why sympathize not only with a loser, but one that’s mostly ethically and morally in the wrong anyway?

    It’s tough when your Russian historical myths (which, to your credit, you know fairly well – you are least very well-read, though also demonstrating that being misinformed can be worse than being uninformed) break upon the rocks of reality.

    As I’ve pointed out before “Russian historical myths”, although not entirely perfect, are more well founded in fact than the historical myths of Ukraine and Poland.

    Anyway, none of this matters too much in determining events on the ground besides the fact that the Ukraine War is going to most likely continue at least until the American elections next year in late 2024 at the earliest. Partly because it will take Russia at least a longer period of time in terms of many months to “finish Ukraine”, although Ukraine may get lucky and not lose too much territory in the next year or so. The key reason is that the “Biden Administration” members said it clearly back in 2022 that their real purpose in arming Ukraine is to try and weaken Russia as a great power and ideally wreck Russia permanently, how much it costs Ukraine be dammed. Remember the “decolonize Russia” platform put out by the US State Department? Remember the promises that Russians would be fleeing in panic for their lives from the Donbass, Crimea and other Russian controlled provinces after Ukraine’s supposedly great 2023 offensive?

    The reality is shaping up to be that the “Biden Administration” will “fight Russia to the last Ukrainian” regardless of the cost for Ukraine probably for “as long as it takes”. In this sense the Russophile commentators are indeed coping that it costs the USA too much to keep the Ukraine War going in arms deliveries since it’s only about 100 billion so far for a great power many trillions in debt. Ukrainian blood and lives are very cheap for the “Biden Administration” after all. Still, the ever more realistic prospect of a significant Russian victory is now again back on the agenda. The situation on the ground is that Avdeyevka is not too far away from falling and Russia is currently advancing with significantly more momentum than Ukraine earlier had in its offensives.

    Be careful what you wish for with breaking “upon the rocks of reality”.

    I’ll finish giving any further replies to you on this note.

    • Agree: Beckow
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @ShortOnTime


    ...“decolonize Russia” platform put out by the US State Department...the promises that Russians would be fleeing in panic for their lives from the Donbass, Crimea and other Russian controlled provinces after Ukraine’s supposedly great 2023 offensive...
     
    State Department wasn't that stupid. The promises were dangled in front the ethnic dreamers to motivate them. We saw it also here: they were giddy with dreams of revenge. Now they try to deny it and either say that 'enough was achieved' or deny ever having the dreams.

    AP is taking the losses very hard. His "offensive pause" is a sad way to try to avoid admitting defeat. If an offensive is "paused", why wouldn't we just call what comes next a new offensive?

    It was a mad project from its beginning: Nato in Ukraine especially in Crimea, Russia and all local Russians out. To attempt this against still powerful, nuclear Russia, right on its borders, impacting tens of millions of people who were ethnically Russian - this will go down in history as the height of hubris.

    Poor Ukies bought the story, volunteered, sacrificed, now they are looking at some very bad options. Ukraine probably reached its pinnacle in 2013 - demographically even in 1991. It could have been a great, rich, populous Euro country - then they over-reached. Wisdom comes from experience, not from will-power.

    , @AP
    @ShortOnTime


    there’s way too much nitpicking over historical details
     
    It’s not “nitpicking over historical details” but presenting facts that contradict your Russian “historical” fairytales.

    You can’t address them, so you pretend to dismiss them.

    Being Russia’s neighbor is a nasty place to be.

    Almost all of the many immediate neighbors that Russia shares a border with (need we list them all? From Norway to North Korea?) besides Ukraine and Georgia look to be more or less fine
     
    Norway, the Baltics and Poland are under the NATO umbrella. So is Finland, now, but it lost a lot of territory to Russia. Belarus is Russified. China and North Korea have nukes. That leaves Azerbaijan, Mongolia and Kazakhstan. Azeris and Kazakhs don’t like Russians very much.

    Russia, like Islam, is a zone of conflict.

    Ukraine trying to align with NATO against such a great power, despite Russia having certain problems, and attempting to completely wipe out the Russian ethnic minority within Ukraine’s UN borders… don’t try and pretend Maidan 2014 and the still ongoing mostly deliberate Ukrainian shelling of Russian civilians in the Donbass is about anything else

     

    And here your Russian fairytales extend to modern times.

    About 2,500 civilians were killed by Ukrainian shelling (and about 500 by Russian shelling). Most in 2014-2015. Under Zelensky the number collapsed. It was 9 in 2021.

    The shelling followed the Russian and pro-Russian killing of Ukrainian police and military. In areas where Russians did not attack Ukraine’s forces there was no shelling. Ethnic Russians in Kharkiv and Kiev were fine. Many of them really hate the Russian state now.

    If 2,500 civilians is evidence of a policy to “completely wipe out” Ukraine’s ethnic Russian minority, what do you call Russia’s invasion which has killed an order of magnitude more civilians, primarily Russian-speaking ones in regions where most of Ukraine’s Russian minority live?

    Thanks for demonstrating that you swallow Russian fairytales about current and recent events. It explains your gullibility regarding historical ones.

    As I’ve pointed out before “Russian historical myths”, although not entirely perfect, are more well founded in fact than the historical myths of Ukraine and Poland
     
    As has been demonstrated, this is false and all you can do is handwave away the evidence as “nitpicking details.”

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  944. @LatW
    @ShortOnTime


    The Polish-Lithuanian union also set the historical pattern of Russian-German rapprochement to bypass the Eastern European nationalities between Germans and Russia which was a longer term disaster for those between Germans and Russia
     
    But what can you possibly suggest for these nations that are so limited by their geography in the sense that their geography is so desirable that they are bound to have enemies on both sides? What is the way out of this complex position? This is just the reality.

    Before the Polish-Lithuanian union, the Lithuanian king Algirdas was in a position where he could've possibly gathered the Rus' and Lithuanian lands and created one large (most likely eventually Orthodox) country (mini-empire in Eastern-Central Europe which could've included even the Muscovites). With the capital in Vilnius. However, the threat then would've been that the Lithuanian nation could've dissolved in the Rus' ethnic Slavic mass (although maybe not a given since the Lithuanians are a rather strong nation and were somewhat fecund back in the day).

    Btw, apparently, after the Soviet / Allied victory in the WW2, Stalin had offered Lithuania to take the Kaliningrad region and make it part of the Lithuanian SSR (the real name would be Twankste, the original Old Prussian name of the settlement - or even better, Romuva, the holy place). But Lithuanians refused because of the rather complicated ethnic arrangements there, would be my guess. I have to double check this for accuracy, but this is what I've heard.

    Replies: @LatW, @ShortOnTime

    But what can you possibly suggest for these nations that are so limited by their geography in the sense that their geography is so desirable that they are bound to have enemies on both sides? What is the way out of this complex position? This is just the reality.

    Well so far in the 21st century besides Ukraine and Georgia, most East European NATO member nations are more or less fine, unless some unexpected escalation where Russia directly challenges Article 5 (which is actually surprisingly vague) and clear NATO territory occurs with who knows what possible consequences, but that seems unlikely. The issue then may not be so much “Russian aggression” since a supposedly extremely aggressive Russia couldn’t stop Finland’s NATO membership and possibly Sweden’s incoming one too, but the extent of the reliability of Western Europe and the USA as the security guarantors of East European NATO members. The latter is an even more complex issue since most of that revolves around many other things not directly about Russia or Eastern Europe. Say things like the fact that a ridiculously large amount of US foreign policy in the last 10 or so years seems to revolve around a competition between various anti-Russia and anti-Iran interest groups. Since October 7th it may be time for the Iran-haters to have their spot in the limelight.

    Had those buffers stayed in place, we’d be in a much less precarious position going forward in the following centuries.

    Someone’s security buffer can be someone else’s security threat.

  945. @ShortOnTime
    @AP

    I'll keep my reply to your bigger effort post and this one short, since there's way too much nitpicking over historical details involved for anyone that's not endlessly commenting on internet forums to go over.


    Being Russia’s neighbor is a nasty place to be.

     

    Almost all of the many immediate neighbors that Russia shares a border with (need we list them all? From Norway to North Korea?) besides Ukraine and Georgia look to be more or less fine despite any possible latent issues. Ukraine's unique issue is that it has had the largest Russian minority outside Russia since 1991.

    Ukraine trying to align with NATO against such a great power, despite Russia having certain problems, and attempting to completely wipe out the Russian ethnic minority within Ukraine's UN borders can't but lead to nasty consequences for Ukraine indeed (don't try and pretend Maidan 2014 and the still ongoing mostly deliberate Ukrainian shelling of Russian civilians in the Donbass is about anything else). For those that know the true version of events of the Russia-Ukraine conflict, it's almost impossible to sympathize with Ukraine, especially since it seems likely Ukraine may lose even further soon. Why sympathize not only with a loser, but one that's mostly ethically and morally in the wrong anyway?


    It’s tough when your Russian historical myths (which, to your credit, you know fairly well – you are least very well-read, though also demonstrating that being misinformed can be worse than being uninformed) break upon the rocks of reality.

     

    As I've pointed out before "Russian historical myths", although not entirely perfect, are more well founded in fact than the historical myths of Ukraine and Poland.

    Anyway, none of this matters too much in determining events on the ground besides the fact that the Ukraine War is going to most likely continue at least until the American elections next year in late 2024 at the earliest. Partly because it will take Russia at least a longer period of time in terms of many months to "finish Ukraine", although Ukraine may get lucky and not lose too much territory in the next year or so. The key reason is that the "Biden Administration" members said it clearly back in 2022 that their real purpose in arming Ukraine is to try and weaken Russia as a great power and ideally wreck Russia permanently, how much it costs Ukraine be dammed. Remember the "decolonize Russia" platform put out by the US State Department? Remember the promises that Russians would be fleeing in panic for their lives from the Donbass, Crimea and other Russian controlled provinces after Ukraine's supposedly great 2023 offensive?

    The reality is shaping up to be that the "Biden Administration" will "fight Russia to the last Ukrainian" regardless of the cost for Ukraine probably for "as long as it takes". In this sense the Russophile commentators are indeed coping that it costs the USA too much to keep the Ukraine War going in arms deliveries since it's only about 100 billion so far for a great power many trillions in debt. Ukrainian blood and lives are very cheap for the "Biden Administration" after all. Still, the ever more realistic prospect of a significant Russian victory is now again back on the agenda. The situation on the ground is that Avdeyevka is not too far away from falling and Russia is currently advancing with significantly more momentum than Ukraine earlier had in its offensives.

    Be careful what you wish for with breaking "upon the rocks of reality".

    I'll finish giving any further replies to you on this note.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP

    …“decolonize Russia” platform put out by the US State Department…the promises that Russians would be fleeing in panic for their lives from the Donbass, Crimea and other Russian controlled provinces after Ukraine’s supposedly great 2023 offensive…

    State Department wasn’t that stupid. The promises were dangled in front the ethnic dreamers to motivate them. We saw it also here: they were giddy with dreams of revenge. Now they try to deny it and either say that ‘enough was achieved‘ or deny ever having the dreams.

    AP is taking the losses very hard. His “offensive pause” is a sad way to try to avoid admitting defeat. If an offensive is “paused”, why wouldn’t we just call what comes next a new offensive?

    It was a mad project from its beginning: Nato in Ukraine especially in Crimea, Russia and all local Russians out. To attempt this against still powerful, nuclear Russia, right on its borders, impacting tens of millions of people who were ethnically Russian – this will go down in history as the height of hubris.

    Poor Ukies bought the story, volunteered, sacrificed, now they are looking at some very bad options. Ukraine probably reached its pinnacle in 2013 – demographically even in 1991. It could have been a great, rich, populous Euro country – then they over-reached. Wisdom comes from experience, not from will-power.

    • Thanks: ShortOnTime
  946. @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    Of course he means current lines. What are you going to argue?
     
    But he didn’t say it. Russia claims Crimea+4 oblasts – the current lines don’t match it. Russia also insists on “security”, the frozen lines would not provide security for either side.

    The current lines are close enough to what he wants.

    He is clearly signaling to walk with what they have.

    Yes I know you dream of Russians marching on Kiev and gunning down the last resistors but that isn't going to happen. The real world can see that Putin is willing to walk with the current lines.

    Looks like Russian support for the war has dropped:
    https://www.newsweek.com/majority-russians-want-end-ukraine-war-poll-levada-1839830

    There is no indication that Russia ever wanted to occupy all of Ukraine – they never said it and never used forces big enough to accomplish it.

    They didn't send enough forces because Putin thought Ukraine would quickly collapse. Leaked plans show a 2.5 week war.

    When you send a 40 mile column at the capital and put a bounty on the president's head that isn't an attempt at negotiating.

    Are you going to go on record and claim the leaked invasion plan is fake?
    https://www.newsweek.com/leaked-invasion-plan-reveals-4-assumptions-putin-regime-wrong-1764309

    Who the hell is Ritter?

    Scott Ritter. You have referenced him in the past. It's in your history.

    Russia clearly only wants a neutral, non-threatening Ukraine, and the Russian areas for itself. They don’t want to run streetcars in Kiev or Lviv. Who would be that stupid?

    Then why didn't they make such a demand before invading?

    Russia plans on absorbing Belarus by 2030
    https://www.dw.com/en/russia-plans-belarus-absorption-by-2030-media-reports/a-64771429

    But you maintain that Putin had no plans to add Ukraine to the Russian empire? Just Belarus? Is that right? Or is that leaked plan also false? Why are there so many leaked plans that involve Putin acting aggressively? It's just a coincidence that he stated the great Tsars were conquerors and that it was a shame the USSR collapsed? You are certain he isn't trying to expand the empire?

    You are now are put your bet on Russian “inflation”. That shows desperation. What if it doesn’t happen?

    How am I putting my bet on Russian inflation when I've stated that Putin can walk with Donbas? I've never once stated that Ukraine will absolutely win all of their territory. In fact I said that trying to get all of Crimea is overly ambitious. I said we don't know the actual state of the Russian economy and they are most likely lying. A Ruble crash is always possible which could affect the outcome of the war. Putin could also be under economic pressure to end the war. The belief that Russia can play a long game is unsubstantiated. Inflation could be much higher than they are telling us.

    Maybe you can dig up comrade “Prigozhin” and see if he can march again

    Amusing when the pro-Putin experts like Ritter and MacGregor all said Prigozhin was nothing to worry about. Putin has everything under control. No reason to worry about a corrupt chef turned private warlord who is making threats. Nothing to worry about. Putin knows what he is doing. Same for the economy, right?

    If you want I can provide the video where Scott Ritter rants about Prigozhin is under control and anyone who says otherwise doesn't know Wagner.

    Replies: @Beckow

    You are now really into minutia, that’s one way to cope. But don’t run away from what you used to write, maintain some dignity…:)

    Another thing you are into are the “leaks”. Nobody else cares, these are mostly produced by different intelligence agencies. Some could be partially real, edited or contingency plans – everybody knows it. To argue based on “leaks” is like you have nothing else left.

    The premier Western “leaker” Assange has been in jail for 10 years. Doesn’t that bother you? So when we talk about free press what do you have to say about Assange?

    Ruble crash is always possible which could affect the outcome of the war.

    So is an asteroid crash. Or a crash of other currencies, have you checked the numbers behind the dollar lately? The outstanding debts are unpayable and dollar is slowly being replaced in a lot of foreign trade. But I would never predict – it is up to heavens to guide it. So you wait for the ruble crash, uprising by Prigozhin’s son, drought, coup. Keep on waiting, only fools have a “plan” based on unlikely and unknown lucky events. Nazis did too at the end – they even celebrated when FDR died…

    About the Prigozhin march into the fields: it was nothing, but the timing seems interesting. As if it was coordinated to feed the Ukie soldiers with some hope that they can storm the Russian lines, since there was a “rebellion”. To think of it, Russians are savvy enough to organize a trap like that. Or someone else.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Beckow


    About the Prigozhin march into the fields: it was nothing, but the timing seems interesting. As if it was coordinated to feed the Ukie soldiers with some hope that they can storm the Russian lines, since there was a “rebellion”. To think of it, Russians are savvy enough to organize a trap like that. Or someone else.
     
    I like a good conspiracy theory but not in this instance. Prigozhin became a full of himself loose cannon. Putin said cocaine was found in his apartment with grenade fragments found in what remained of Prigo's corpse, suggesting rash manner on his part. In the lead up to his tragic fate, he was behaving irrationally.

    In any event, what's going on right now in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine resembles more of a rebellion. Messianic delusional Zelensky suspends elections in a situation of already banned political parties. In turn, one faction is touting the military man Banderite Zaluzhny to replace Zelensky as those two bicker with each other.

    Garland Nixon said it reminded him of a basketball game where the side losing starts to openly quarrel among themselves on the court and on the sidelines. Stay tuned.

    Replies: @Beckow

  947. @silviosilver
    @Coconuts

    I sympathize with a lot of early 20th century leftist - although not doctrinaire Marxist - positions on some things. Imo, the low-hanging fruit has already been picked (healthcare, working conditions etc). There are probably still substantial gains in social solidarity to be made, particularly in the nationalist sense, but that's mainly because of the low starting point. ("Artificially" low, given the way nationalism has been relentlessly trashed for the past three generations.) The idea that socialist policies are going to lead to cultural renewal or improve the quality of family life (if they were even trying, which they're certainly not) is not at all credible. The most that can be done for the great mass of people is to help them stop unnecessarily hurting themselves. If we want more, it's eugenics or bust.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Coconuts

    The most that can be done for the great mass of people is to help them stop unnecessarily hurting themselves. If we want more, it’s eugenics or bust.

    There’s also this side to socialism that isn’t bound by normal political discussion:

    From the perspective of this philosophy (Sorel’s), the bourgeois ideal of peaceful agreement, an ongoing and prosperous business that has advantages for everyone, becomes the monstrosity of cowardly individualism. Discussing, bargaining, parliamentary proceedings, appear a betrayal of myth and the enormous enthusiasm on which everything depends. Against the mercantile image of balance there appears another vision, the warlike image of a bloody, definitive, decisive battle.

    In the past socialism could act by forcing the ‘decision’, the great conflict. This produced a reintroduction of the nature’s gold standard in eugenics; war, disease, elevated infant mortality, material shortages etc. It works less as a policy platform and more like a force of nature.

    I wonder if Woke is channeling something like this instinct in a mitigated form at the moment, with the sort of gradual purity spiraling towards the immolation of their own ethnic group that its white supporters seem to be involved in.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Coconuts


    ...Woke is channeling something like this instinct in a mitigated form at the moment, with the sort of gradual purity spiraling towards the immolation of their own ethnic group, white
     
    In the last generation the white Europeans hit a civilizational wall and the downward biological spiral is to be expected. That it took the form of Woke is a mix of circumstances and random luck. I suspect Obama's appearance that led to the temporary hysteria - million people came to see him in Berlin even before he was elected - transmuted into a generation-wide Wokeness. It was there before but the 'savior' showed them the way.

    The real reason for this collapse in the West is the abandonment of socialism. The modern society simply can't function without social principles. The gradual dismantling and even demonizing of socialist ideas left the young with literally nothing - pyramid asset schemes, "market-based" workforce with open borders and globalism, money ruling over everything. And the money visibly created by a few inside groups for their own benefit.

    It took Europe 150 years of bloody struggle to create normal societies, it wasn't perfect but it worked. Then one spaced-out generation - the Boomers - destroyed it on whim and enriched themselves in the process when they could.

    We are living with the consequences of this tragic mistake - so sing "all you need is love" and "imagine no borders..." as you demolish your society. Thank you, boomers, you did it all: discovered "markets" and some retarded 18th century books, won the "cold war" whatever that was, screwed each other and your own societies in the process.

    Replies: @AP

  948. Why is CIA Director Burns in Kiev? Western MSM Propaganda Front Collapsing, Russia Not Interested in Ceasefire, Kiev Regime’s Distraction Sideshow across the Dnepr, more…
    https://marksleboda.substack.com/p/why-is-cia-director-burns-in-kiev?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2#details

    Scott Ritter and Garland Nixon at their best:

    Ritter notes that during WW II, US casualties were greatest towards the very end and not at Normandy or the Battle of the Bulge. Likewise, the USSR took heavy casualties when taking Berlin. The point being that an already defeated party can still do damage before the conflict actually ends, thereby explaining in part why Russia is taking its time.

    For those who say that Russian-Ukrainian relations are ruined, note how Japan and Germany today view the US. The Japanese and Germans at large came to certain realities. The same can happen to many of those usurped by svido propaganda.

  949. @Coconuts
    @silviosilver


    The most that can be done for the great mass of people is to help them stop unnecessarily hurting themselves. If we want more, it’s eugenics or bust.
     
    There's also this side to socialism that isn't bound by normal political discussion:

    From the perspective of this philosophy (Sorel's), the bourgeois ideal of peaceful agreement, an ongoing and prosperous business that has advantages for everyone, becomes the monstrosity of cowardly individualism. Discussing, bargaining, parliamentary proceedings, appear a betrayal of myth and the enormous enthusiasm on which everything depends. Against the mercantile image of balance there appears another vision, the warlike image of a bloody, definitive, decisive battle.
     
    In the past socialism could act by forcing the 'decision', the great conflict. This produced a reintroduction of the nature's gold standard in eugenics; war, disease, elevated infant mortality, material shortages etc. It works less as a policy platform and more like a force of nature.

    I wonder if Woke is channeling something like this instinct in a mitigated form at the moment, with the sort of gradual purity spiraling towards the immolation of their own ethnic group that its white supporters seem to be involved in.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Woke is channeling something like this instinct in a mitigated form at the moment, with the sort of gradual purity spiraling towards the immolation of their own ethnic group, white

    In the last generation the white Europeans hit a civilizational wall and the downward biological spiral is to be expected. That it took the form of Woke is a mix of circumstances and random luck. I suspect Obama’s appearance that led to the temporary hysteria – million people came to see him in Berlin even before he was elected – transmuted into a generation-wide Wokeness. It was there before but the ‘savior’ showed them the way.

    The real reason for this collapse in the West is the abandonment of socialism. The modern society simply can’t function without social principles. The gradual dismantling and even demonizing of socialist ideas left the young with literally nothing – pyramid asset schemes, “market-based” workforce with open borders and globalism, money ruling over everything. And the money visibly created by a few inside groups for their own benefit.

    It took Europe 150 years of bloody struggle to create normal societies, it wasn’t perfect but it worked. Then one spaced-out generation – the Boomers – destroyed it on whim and enriched themselves in the process when they could.

    We are living with the consequences of this tragic mistake – so sing “all you need is love” and “imagine no borders…” as you demolish your society. Thank you, boomers, you did it all: discovered “markets” and some retarded 18th century books, won the “cold war” whatever that was, screwed each other and your own societies in the process.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    The real reason for this collapse in the West is the abandonment of socialism… It took Europe 150 years of bloody struggle to create normal [Soviet?] societies, it wasn’t perfect but it worked. Then one spaced-out generation – the Boomers – destroyed it on whim and enriched themselves in the process when they could.
     
    Beckow finally condensed his ideas into one post.

    He is a lackey of the Soviets and hates the Boomers because that’s the generation that stood up to them until they fell (in the West) and ended the Soviet system in the East.

    Social welfarism in the West became untenable because the boomers didn’t make enough children to keep it sustainable. The reason for that was the breakdown of traditional values such as religion (replaced by hedonism), combined with the social system itself which promised that the state rather than descendants would care for them. Boomers simply didn’t think 2 generations ahead. Because they failed to create new workers themselves, they decided to import them.

    In the East it failed because it too was based on materialistic secularism, yet on that very basis was clearly inferior to the West. It had the same structural problem though, despite being poorer.

    The real problem was that the wrong side won the First World War. Boomers’ failures were downstream of that.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

  950. @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    In 2023, Russia’s economy will grow around 1,1% according to IMF.
     
    There was a mistake in this sentence. In 2023, Russia’s economy will grow around 2,2% according to IMF.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Oil demand is being replaced by natural gas demand. In other words electric cars effectively run on natural gas in most places. The Russian fossil fuel sector will be OK for the foreseeable future.

    At some point bureaucrats will retire enough coal plants and natural gas prices may skyrocket as supply and demand hit a turning point. This will increase the price of food and many other items worldwide. Renewables with storage could offset some of this conversion, but for the moment this increases prices as well.

    The Russian nuclear industry may grow as this ridiculous process continues.

  951. @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You are now really into minutia, that's one way to cope. But don't run away from what you used to write, maintain some dignity...:)

    Another thing you are into are the "leaks". Nobody else cares, these are mostly produced by different intelligence agencies. Some could be partially real, edited or contingency plans - everybody knows it. To argue based on "leaks" is like you have nothing else left.

    The premier Western "leaker" Assange has been in jail for 10 years. Doesn't that bother you? So when we talk about free press what do you have to say about Assange?


    Ruble crash is always possible which could affect the outcome of the war.
     
    So is an asteroid crash. Or a crash of other currencies, have you checked the numbers behind the dollar lately? The outstanding debts are unpayable and dollar is slowly being replaced in a lot of foreign trade. But I would never predict - it is up to heavens to guide it. So you wait for the ruble crash, uprising by Prigozhin's son, drought, coup. Keep on waiting, only fools have a "plan" based on unlikely and unknown lucky events. Nazis did too at the end - they even celebrated when FDR died...

    About the Prigozhin march into the fields: it was nothing, but the timing seems interesting. As if it was coordinated to feed the Ukie soldiers with some hope that they can storm the Russian lines, since there was a "rebellion". To think of it, Russians are savvy enough to organize a trap like that. Or someone else.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    About the Prigozhin march into the fields: it was nothing, but the timing seems interesting. As if it was coordinated to feed the Ukie soldiers with some hope that they can storm the Russian lines, since there was a “rebellion”. To think of it, Russians are savvy enough to organize a trap like that. Or someone else.

    I like a good conspiracy theory but not in this instance. Prigozhin became a full of himself loose cannon. Putin said cocaine was found in his apartment with grenade fragments found in what remained of Prigo’s corpse, suggesting rash manner on his part. In the lead up to his tragic fate, he was behaving irrationally.

    In any event, what’s going on right now in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine resembles more of a rebellion. Messianic delusional Zelensky suspends elections in a situation of already banned political parties. In turn, one faction is touting the military man Banderite Zaluzhny to replace Zelensky as those two bicker with each other.

    Garland Nixon said it reminded him of a basketball game where the side losing starts to openly quarrel among themselves on the court and on the sidelines. Stay tuned.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mikhail


    ...but not in this instance. Prigozhin became a full of himself loose cannon.
     
    I agree. But given that there is a lot we don't know the odds of Prigozhin succeeding to odds of it being a staged theatre are at least 1 to 100. Of course, both those option are very unlikely.

    It was probably the usual dissent with a touch of madness that for some reason received an incredibly high publicity in the West. It was an interesting story but the coverage was unreal since it was obvious it had zero chance of success. Maybe they opportunistically latched into it...it probably did firm up the Ukie morale just at the right time. That is quite a coincidence, but it happens.
  952. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Keep believing BS which EU and IMF sources differ. You can be sure that CNN, PBS, NPR, BBC et al would be running doom and gloom feature on the Russian economy’s decline were it true.

    I haven't cited those outlets as sources.

    I said the actual inflation rate is unknown and most likely higher given Putin's credibility.

    Given Putin's history of lying it is pretty safe to double any figure given by Russia that they would like to be low.

    They lied about casualties early in the war and to this date have not given an accurate number.

    Once again, Russia gave ample time for peace. It then engaged in a limited military operation which got the Kiev regime to the negotiating table with an agreement about to be reached.

    Why didn't they send an ultimatum before invading? Why did they cut diplomatic ties if the goal was to negotiate?

    Will you go on record and state that they did not plan on adding Ukraine to the empire? Just wondering if we can get you to do that.

    Does Putin plan on making LPR/DPR independent states as promised? Or they being added to the empire?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    Why didn’t they send an ultimatum before invading? Why did they cut diplomatic ties if the goal was to negotiate?

    Some really good common sense questions that I haven’t seen anywhere else before. Averko’s lost and isn’t able to answer your question, but instead conflates it with your next point:

    Why didn’t they send an ultimatum before invading? Why did they cut diplomatic ties if the goal was to negotiate?

    Does Putin plan on making LPR/DPR independent states as promised? Or they being added to the empire?

    Like a first grader in a class several grades higher. Russia first recognized their independence, followed by seeing them merged into the RF.

    Averko answers like a first grader that has flunked his exams and is relegated backwards to pre-school. 🙂

  953. @Beckow
    @AP

    If Russia becomes convinced that Kiev will get nukes they will prevent it. You know it, EU knows it. The geography is very different, this is not N Korea or a more even match like India-Pakistan. Ukies also showed they are utterly irresponsible and willing to go beyond any red lines - that Nato thing in Crimea? please, what were they nuts?

    Deterrence takes a few years to develop, and in those years Russia would act. Then what? Would Kiev toss min-untested nukes at Russia and watch itself being wiped out? You want to risk it? It plays extremely badly in Europe - if you want to antagonize Euros keep on talking about Kiev acquiring nukes.


    EU also hates the evil Russians (your words),

    Yes, that is how the Russians are viewed in the EU.
     
    It depends. Poland, Balts, western Germans where hatred for the WW2 loss persists among many, the UK gayish high society that has always hated anything Russian, detached countries like Sweden where they look for 'submanrines' like total morons. And of course Prague intellectuals who know well who is the boss and predictably brown-nose to high heaven.

    But others in EU don't. In Hungary, Slovakia, Austria, Italy, France... the polls are more even and most people say they are neutral, we all know what that means given the propaganda. If you talk about Kiev nukes that will bring it out into the open.


    70,000 were killed during the summer offensive.
     
    The number is a lot closer to 70k than to 10k you claimed. I don't think 300k for either side is correct, but we are mixing killed, wounded, POWs...it has been bloody. Ukies are dying for the right to have Nato in Ukraine. Who does that? And you are proud of it.

    One last point: I talk to dozens of Ukies and none share your blood-thirstiness: they speak Russian, play at being "neutral", and are focused on settling in, most say they would never go back. I have yet to hear a positive word about Zelko or the Kiev gment - and nobody says they will go back "and fight the evil Russkies". You are completely misrepresenting their attitudes, probably based on your inbred "Habsburg-loving" family. How did you guys make it this far in evolution?

    Replies: @AP

    If Russia becomes convinced that Kiev will get nukes they will prevent it. You know it, EU knows it. The geography is very different, this is not N Korea or a more even match like India-Pakistan

    Actually, Ukraine and Russia are a more even match like India-Pakistan as we see.

    Ukies also showed they are utterly irresponsible and willing to go beyond any red lines

    Which further supports the likelihood of them getting nukes even over the (half-hearted) objections of their Western partners, if they don’t have another satisfactory deterrent such as NATO membership or perhaps some sort of mass drone army.

    So the choices are NATO membership or comparable security arrangement (US bases?), Ukrainian nukes, or Russia tries to conquer the whole country and occupy it.

    It depends. Poland, Balts, western Germans where hatred for the WW2 loss persists among many

    Poland and the Baltics remember Russian and Soviet occupation. That’s why they dislike Russia.

    It’s not about World War II loss.

    The number [killed in summer offensive] is a lot closer to 70k than to 10k you claimed

    Nonsense. The total number of Ukrainians killed in the entire war has been 70k (confidential US-UK estimate) to perhaps 120k.

    Summer offensive was stopped when it was determined that the minefields and trenches were too extensive. Zaluzhny, unlike Russians, does not use his troops for “meat waves.” It was then changed to mostly artillery bombardment and then trench-clearing of bombed positions. Slow, but less deadly on a mass scale.

    It may be restarted, if conditions improve.

    Ukies are dying for the right to have Nato in Ukraine. Who does that?

    Beckow, whose people were willing and enthusiastic servants of Magyars, then Nazis, then Bolsheviks, now Magyars again (waiting for Russians to return to their border?), can’t understand people fighting for their independence. It is so alien for Beckow that he can only think in terms of NATO.

    I suspect that a lot of the people who can only think of Ukraine as a pawn are pawns in their own lives. It’s all they know.

    One last point: I talk to dozens of Ukies and none share your blood-thirstiness: they speak Russian, play at being “neutral”, and are focused on settling in, most say they would never go back. I have yet to hear a positive word about Zelko or the Kiev gment – and nobody says they will go back “and fight the evil Russkies”

    Back right before and right after the war started, you insisted that Ukrainians would never fight the Russians, that they would give up. Didn’t you also brag that you knew Ukrainians and based on those whom you knew that is what Ukraine would do?

    Maybe draft dodgers in Slovakia are not a representative sample of the Ukrainian people?

    You are completely misrepresenting their attitudes

    Of the draft-dodging minority hiding in Slovakia? No. I don’t describe their attitudes.

    I rather describe the attitude of the general Ukrainian population. If they weren’t determined to fight for their country, Ukraine would have lost long ago. Most still want to defend it (I think around 80%). None of the family in Ukraine I speak to want to surrender.

    Of course you would never understand that. Your type understands Goebbel’s Czech lover much better.

    Habsburg-loving” family. How did you guys make it this far in evolution?

    We’ve done better than has your family, I’m sure 🙂

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AP


    If they weren’t determined to fight for their country, Ukraine would have lost long ago. Most still want to defend it (I think around 80%).
     
    If 80% of the people in Ukraine were willing to go fight on the frontlines it wouldn't have been necessary to institute the mandatory draft and prevent all 18-60 year old males from leaving the country. It's one or the other.

    That is not to say that Ukrainians as a whole haven't shown remarkable courage and patriotism. In 2014 it didn't look like they would fight the Russians nearly as hard as they have and maybe that's what fooled Putin, thinking that nothing had changed since then. But one has to be realistic about human nature. In times of turmoil people tend to care much more about the welfare of their family and people close to them than about the fatherland. It's the natural reaction. That's why governments need to impose mandatory drafts and harsh penalties for draft-dodgers, along with public shaming. I don't doubt people in EE are more patriotic these days than in WE but we're not in the 19th or early 20th century. Like Beckow, we've all met ordinary Ukrainians who decided to escape the horror of the war and find a better place for their families.

    To know the real percentage of people "determined to fight for their country" everybody would have to be free to join the army and leave their families or send them abroad as refugees or to be with their families providing for them. Letting other people (foreigners at that) provide for you family is a very tough choice to make.

  954. @Sher Singh
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66804252


    Norway's Princess Martha Louise will marry her American partner, self-styled shaman Durek Verrett, next summer, the couple has announced.

    King Harald V congratulated the pair, saying he was happy to welcome Mr Verrett to his family.

    "We are incredibly happy to be able to celebrate our love in Geiranger's beautiful surroundings. It means a lot to us to gather our loved ones in a place that is so rich in history and spectacular nature," the couple said.

    Mr Verrett will move to Norway and join the royal family without holding a title, Norway's state broadcaster NRK reported.

    The Hollywood guru, who describes himself as a "6th Generation Shaman" - has claimed to have risen from the dead and to have predicted the 9/11 attacks in the United States two years before they took place.

    Mr Verrett, who is African-American, has acknowledged that his beliefs can be uncomfortable for some, and has argued the criticism he faces is due to racism.
     


    Well, not only that but most White women are not physically attracted to other races (or their attraction might be too mild to make a difference). If they were, we’d be seeing way more of such couplings.
     
    Doesn't matter when only non-white men are available.

    Emil you were the one who said it's fair for others to be cucked because you are right?

    Replies: @LatW, @Emil Nikola Richard

    You left out the part where he has a mind cure for cancer and covid.

    But you have demonstrated rhetorical mastery in remembering the best contrary evidence so kudos for that.

    Cuck is a stupid word. Delete it from your vocabulary. It has never been in mine.

    Never forget that all blanket statements are erroneous! Except this one of course. Make that all blanket statements but one.

  955. @Beckow
    @Coconuts


    ...Woke is channeling something like this instinct in a mitigated form at the moment, with the sort of gradual purity spiraling towards the immolation of their own ethnic group, white
     
    In the last generation the white Europeans hit a civilizational wall and the downward biological spiral is to be expected. That it took the form of Woke is a mix of circumstances and random luck. I suspect Obama's appearance that led to the temporary hysteria - million people came to see him in Berlin even before he was elected - transmuted into a generation-wide Wokeness. It was there before but the 'savior' showed them the way.

    The real reason for this collapse in the West is the abandonment of socialism. The modern society simply can't function without social principles. The gradual dismantling and even demonizing of socialist ideas left the young with literally nothing - pyramid asset schemes, "market-based" workforce with open borders and globalism, money ruling over everything. And the money visibly created by a few inside groups for their own benefit.

    It took Europe 150 years of bloody struggle to create normal societies, it wasn't perfect but it worked. Then one spaced-out generation - the Boomers - destroyed it on whim and enriched themselves in the process when they could.

    We are living with the consequences of this tragic mistake - so sing "all you need is love" and "imagine no borders..." as you demolish your society. Thank you, boomers, you did it all: discovered "markets" and some retarded 18th century books, won the "cold war" whatever that was, screwed each other and your own societies in the process.

    Replies: @AP

    The real reason for this collapse in the West is the abandonment of socialism… It took Europe 150 years of bloody struggle to create normal [Soviet?] societies, it wasn’t perfect but it worked. Then one spaced-out generation – the Boomers – destroyed it on whim and enriched themselves in the process when they could.

    Beckow finally condensed his ideas into one post.

    He is a lackey of the Soviets and hates the Boomers because that’s the generation that stood up to them until they fell (in the West) and ended the Soviet system in the East.

    Social welfarism in the West became untenable because the boomers didn’t make enough children to keep it sustainable. The reason for that was the breakdown of traditional values such as religion (replaced by hedonism), combined with the social system itself which promised that the state rather than descendants would care for them. Boomers simply didn’t think 2 generations ahead. Because they failed to create new workers themselves, they decided to import them.

    In the East it failed because it too was based on materialistic secularism, yet on that very basis was clearly inferior to the West. It had the same structural problem though, despite being poorer.

    The real problem was that the wrong side won the First World War. Boomers’ failures were downstream of that.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    In the East it failed because it too was based on materialistic secularism, yet on that very basis was clearly inferior to the West. It had the same structural problem though, despite being poorer.

     

    Even the European countries that have a strong belief in God don't have above-replacement fertility rates:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Europe_belief_in_god.svg/1119px-Europe_belief_in_god.svg.png

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/u9mxju/total_fertility_rate_in_europe_newest_data/

    https://preview.redd.it/o0ijcfzbv4v81.png?auto=webp&s=d820b5f1354b3cca6bdb47c5743cfdd9e638c8bc

    French and especially Czechs aren't that religious and yet breed a lot. Poles and Mediterraneans are more religious and yet breed less.

    The real problem was that the wrong side won the First World War. Boomers’ failures were downstream of that.

     

    Do you really think that the West would have above-replacement TFR and no mass immigration (other than perhaps of, say, Eastern Europeans to Germany) right now in a scenario where the Central Powers would have won World War I?
    , @Beckow
    @AP

    That is one confused chaotic post. You are obsessed with fighting the "Soviets" and "fertility" (a rather Nazi combination if you ask me) and don't understand what European socialism was, and still is in some places.

    There has never a shortage of workers in Europe - the issue has always been that the employers don't want to pay. So they create bogus shortages to import cheap labor. Idiots like you buy the nonsense and talk about fertility and secularism, everything but what matters: healthy labor market with high incomes and good working conditions.

    Social policies didn't become untenable - they were abolished so more wealth can be shifted to the investor class - "the rentiers" in the 19th. century terminology. Boomers were in the middle of it - their blase stupidity and attempts at enrichment helped the rentier class to gradually change the policies. We have the results now - and it is the main contributor to lower fertility. Too many people don't have the material basis to raise a family.

    The only way to fix it is by restarting the Euro socialist policies and closing the borders to cheap labor (incl. Ukies).


    the wrong side won the First World War.
     
    You and Herr Hitler share that belief. Is that why you are trying to refight it? He did too. But as far as I know he believed in strong social policies. You don't even have that.

    Replies: @AP

  956. @ShortOnTime
    @AP

    I'll keep my reply to your bigger effort post and this one short, since there's way too much nitpicking over historical details involved for anyone that's not endlessly commenting on internet forums to go over.


    Being Russia’s neighbor is a nasty place to be.

     

    Almost all of the many immediate neighbors that Russia shares a border with (need we list them all? From Norway to North Korea?) besides Ukraine and Georgia look to be more or less fine despite any possible latent issues. Ukraine's unique issue is that it has had the largest Russian minority outside Russia since 1991.

    Ukraine trying to align with NATO against such a great power, despite Russia having certain problems, and attempting to completely wipe out the Russian ethnic minority within Ukraine's UN borders can't but lead to nasty consequences for Ukraine indeed (don't try and pretend Maidan 2014 and the still ongoing mostly deliberate Ukrainian shelling of Russian civilians in the Donbass is about anything else). For those that know the true version of events of the Russia-Ukraine conflict, it's almost impossible to sympathize with Ukraine, especially since it seems likely Ukraine may lose even further soon. Why sympathize not only with a loser, but one that's mostly ethically and morally in the wrong anyway?


    It’s tough when your Russian historical myths (which, to your credit, you know fairly well – you are least very well-read, though also demonstrating that being misinformed can be worse than being uninformed) break upon the rocks of reality.

     

    As I've pointed out before "Russian historical myths", although not entirely perfect, are more well founded in fact than the historical myths of Ukraine and Poland.

    Anyway, none of this matters too much in determining events on the ground besides the fact that the Ukraine War is going to most likely continue at least until the American elections next year in late 2024 at the earliest. Partly because it will take Russia at least a longer period of time in terms of many months to "finish Ukraine", although Ukraine may get lucky and not lose too much territory in the next year or so. The key reason is that the "Biden Administration" members said it clearly back in 2022 that their real purpose in arming Ukraine is to try and weaken Russia as a great power and ideally wreck Russia permanently, how much it costs Ukraine be dammed. Remember the "decolonize Russia" platform put out by the US State Department? Remember the promises that Russians would be fleeing in panic for their lives from the Donbass, Crimea and other Russian controlled provinces after Ukraine's supposedly great 2023 offensive?

    The reality is shaping up to be that the "Biden Administration" will "fight Russia to the last Ukrainian" regardless of the cost for Ukraine probably for "as long as it takes". In this sense the Russophile commentators are indeed coping that it costs the USA too much to keep the Ukraine War going in arms deliveries since it's only about 100 billion so far for a great power many trillions in debt. Ukrainian blood and lives are very cheap for the "Biden Administration" after all. Still, the ever more realistic prospect of a significant Russian victory is now again back on the agenda. The situation on the ground is that Avdeyevka is not too far away from falling and Russia is currently advancing with significantly more momentum than Ukraine earlier had in its offensives.

    Be careful what you wish for with breaking "upon the rocks of reality".

    I'll finish giving any further replies to you on this note.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP

    there’s way too much nitpicking over historical details

    It’s not “nitpicking over historical details” but presenting facts that contradict your Russian “historical” fairytales.

    You can’t address them, so you pretend to dismiss them.

    Being Russia’s neighbor is a nasty place to be.

    Almost all of the many immediate neighbors that Russia shares a border with (need we list them all? From Norway to North Korea?) besides Ukraine and Georgia look to be more or less fine

    Norway, the Baltics and Poland are under the NATO umbrella. So is Finland, now, but it lost a lot of territory to Russia. Belarus is Russified. China and North Korea have nukes. That leaves Azerbaijan, Mongolia and Kazakhstan. Azeris and Kazakhs don’t like Russians very much.

    Russia, like Islam, is a zone of conflict.

    Ukraine trying to align with NATO against such a great power, despite Russia having certain problems, and attempting to completely wipe out the Russian ethnic minority within Ukraine’s UN borders… don’t try and pretend Maidan 2014 and the still ongoing mostly deliberate Ukrainian shelling of Russian civilians in the Donbass is about anything else

    And here your Russian fairytales extend to modern times.

    About 2,500 civilians were killed by Ukrainian shelling (and about 500 by Russian shelling). Most in 2014-2015. Under Zelensky the number collapsed. It was 9 in 2021.

    The shelling followed the Russian and pro-Russian killing of Ukrainian police and military. In areas where Russians did not attack Ukraine’s forces there was no shelling. Ethnic Russians in Kharkiv and Kiev were fine. Many of them really hate the Russian state now.

    If 2,500 civilians is evidence of a policy to “completely wipe out” Ukraine’s ethnic Russian minority, what do you call Russia’s invasion which has killed an order of magnitude more civilians, primarily Russian-speaking ones in regions where most of Ukraine’s Russian minority live?

    Thanks for demonstrating that you swallow Russian fairytales about current and recent events. It explains your gullibility regarding historical ones.

    As I’ve pointed out before “Russian historical myths”, although not entirely perfect, are more well founded in fact than the historical myths of Ukraine and Poland

    As has been demonstrated, this is false and all you can do is handwave away the evidence as “nitpicking details.”

    • Agree: Mr. Hack, Mr. XYZ
    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Norway, the Baltics and Poland are under the NATO umbrella. So is Finland, now, but it lost a lot of territory to Russia.
     
    You know, it's quite interesting that Russia is complaining that the West is not taking its security concerns seriously while at the same time, it's not exactly like Russia took Germany's and Austria-Hungary's security concerns all that seriously in the pre-WWI era. If it did, then it would not have allied with France and Serbia, thus encircling both Germany and Austria-Hungary.

    Philippe Lemoine argues that for Russia it's unpleasant to share a common border with the most powerful military alliance in the history of the world, but at the same time, Russia also shares a common border with China, which probably has long-term military power that's comparable to NATO other than for China having much less nukes--for now, at least.

    That leaves Azerbaijan, Mongolia and Kazakhstan. Azeris and Kazakhs don’t like Russians very much.
     
    And for Mongolia, China is probably the much bigger potential threat (the USSR was actually Mongolia's protector during the Cold War; AFAIK, Mongolia wanted to join the USSR but was declined by the USSR itself). Since Mongolia only borders two countries, Russia is the only realistic counter to China that Mongolia has.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Mikhail

  957. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    What exactly is so bad about his EU vision? It sounds great if you ask me!
     
    It seems that he wanted to wipe out each European country's particular culture and produce a pan-European one.

    That would be very sad.

    Though, not nearly as bad as wiping out Slavs and Jews while creating a pan-German homeland.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @silviosilver

    It seems that he wanted to wipe out each European country’s particular culture and produce a pan-European one.

    That would be very sad.

    It really depends on how the process of “wiping out” those cultures played out.

    A soft approach, developing over the generations, something like various people becoming “Romans” doesn’t seem so awful to me.

    Growing old and lamenting that, culturally, “things just aren’t the way they used to be” is something every generation experiences to one degree or another. It would even harder if the culture changing towards the “hated occupier,” which it stands to reason is how it sometimes would have seemed, would give one many more reasons to lament. I suppose there’s no level of “softness” that would eliminate all such feelings.

    It would be even harder on the first two three generations after seeing your people put to the sword, and then still ruled with an iron fist. But even then, time heals all wounds…

    In either case, the descendants many generations down the line often view all it more positively. Myths and legends have had time to grow and the living generation often reflects on the process of cultural conversion (if they even conceive of it as such) as having made them what they are and are more likely to fiercely defend it rather than bemoan it. Isn’t this essentially your attitude to the Habsburgs and Catholicism?

    I am certainly in the “meld all compatibles into the one unit” camp. Of course, just who counts as a “compatible” is a very thorny question, one still not settled and which probably won’t ever be completely settled. But as long as things move in that direction, my preference is satisfied. (Would the Chinese – or the “Han” people – be better off as a done or a hundred cultural units? Hard for me to see why.)

    The real problem was that the wrong side won the First World War. Boomers’ failures were downstream of that.

    That’s my view, which can be justified many ways, but the simplest reason is that what happened in our own timeline makes it worth taking my chances with the alternative timeline.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @silviosilver


    That’s my view, which can be justified many ways, but the simplest reason is that what happened in our own timeline makes it worth taking my chances with the alternative timeline.

     

    Had the Entente/Allies won WWI but Russia would have avoided Communism, then things would have also likely been much, much better.
    , @AP
    @silviosilver


    Growing old and lamenting that, culturally, “things just aren’t the way they used to be” is something every generation experiences to one degree or another.
     
    That's true. And every generation is more or less comfortable with what they are used to. American Zoomers are very comfortable with a society that is about 50% European and 30% Hispanic. They would feel out of place in a society where those percentages are flipped, but their kids wouldn't be.

    So yes, a united Europe where everyone is mixed would probably be viewed as normal and okay by the people living in it.

    Myths and legends have had time to grow and the living generation often reflects on the process of cultural conversion (if they even conceive of it as such) as having made them what they are and are more likely to fiercely defend it rather than bemoan it. Isn’t this essentially your attitude to the Habsburgs and Catholicism?
     
    I didn't grow up under the Hapsburgs of course. I like them because they oversaw a system of regional traditionalism - the opposite of a pan-European melting pot. They provided a safe haven for the small nations between Russia and Germany in which to develop culturally and spiritually. And within a conservative and traditional framework. Vienna could be a melting pot for those peoples and that was okay, because the homelands still existed. Interestingly, Hapsburg Spain was similar - IIRC Catalunya enjoyed more autonomy under the Hapsburgs than later under the Bourbons who replaced them.

    I can judge a regime by what it has left behind - the Hapsburg lands (more so those under Vienna rather than indirectly under Budapest) are among the best in the Europe. Austria and northern Italy the best, the others such as Czechia were soiled a little bit by Communism's filth. Formerly Hapsburg parts of Poland, Romania, and Ukraine are better than other parts of those countries. Slovenia and Croatia are probably a lot better than Serbia and Macedonia. Northern ex-Hapsburg Italy is the best part of Italy.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

  958. @LatW
    @silviosilver


    But you know, if someone really wants see what an unflinching view of racial realities as they stand on our planet on looks like, no-holds-barred racial forums are the place to go, and I don’t mind taking on the role of that dude who’ll give you the unvarnished truth.
     

    Haha, good one. :)

    I hadn't been watching the so called "lamestream" media for a while (had been living in my Ukro language bubble for a long time) but with this renewed Israeli-Arab conflict, I started watching regular channels again. And I got a little startled, since, having taken that break, and coming back to it, things seemed to have gotten crazier than before (of course, this conflict is out of the ordinary in a way, so this kind of media content may not be fully normal). I watched some Piers Morgan Uncensored - and omg - there are all these minorities with British citizenship that come on the show and argue (sometimes even by raising their voice). I was only able to watch a few minutes of an Arab and a Jew arguing (both smart), because they immediately started screaming at each other (this is not something we need at all).

    Another problem they seem to have in the UK is former ISIS girlfriends / wives, such as someone named Shamima Begum (who joined ISIS, had children with an ISIS fighter who died, was stripped of British citizenship and is pining in some camp in Syria and now begging to come back to the UK). She was very young when it happened (15yo), so that might be a slightly mitigating factor, however, I noticed that she had a very smooth talking Arabic lawyer (and ofc all of this is happening at the British tax payers' expense), it made me concerned, knowing that there are probably armies of such "ethnic" lawyers out there in the Western world. It made me worry that if this happened eventually in the Baltic states (not ISIS related but some other "brown people problem" with immigration or religion or intolerance or what not), then my people will be too naive to handle this (because these Semites, either Jews or Arabs, will find it easy to manipulate them - we already have such an issue with Jews defending the Russian minority and as an extension all other diverse ones that come in a long line). Not because my people are dumb, but because they're not as glib and as manipulative. So my fear is that they will understand what is going on (rationally), but won't be able to acquire the proper tools to fight against it.

    Another show that really scared me was Rising (on The Hill), if this is the new America, I'm not sure I want to have anything to do with it. It is some kind of a new left propaganda channel with highly ideologized, barely 30 year old hosts. And it's not even generational (because I connect with 20-30 year old right wingers very well). Does this stuff ever make you feel uneasy?

    I was wondering if you had any advice on how to handle this in Eastern Euro countries (since you are both E.Euro and have lived around Anglos all your life in a multi-cultural setting)? Things seem to have gone very far that way in the West. My first idea was that it would be worth highlighting to E.Euros where this leads. Because people don't really know how these second gen etc immigrants really feel about their hosts and that they're not planning to assimilate. That they're totally ok with saying this such as "it is not your homeland" (even if your people have lived there for thousands of years and built most things there). I can guarantee you this will drive most EEs up the wall. But how to fight against it...

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @silviosilver

    I hadn’t been watching the so called “lamestream” media for a while (had been living in my Ukro language bubble for a long time)

    I’m sorry to say, Lat, but based on the observations you outlined in this post, it sounds to me you’ve been living in an even larger “bubble.” Perhaps the things you mentioned are more “in your face” in the last few years, but they don’t represent any fundamental change to the preceding sixty years or so. ‘Anti-racism,’ immigration, and all the associated stupidity (‘woke’ is just a new name for a very old game), has been totally in charge that entire time. The only thing that has ‘changed’ is that ‘anti-racists’ are getting more desperate as nothing they have tried has worked and the demographic changes are waking up more and more whites to their racial plight. I don’t mean to be rude, but if the things you mentioned in this shocked you, I have wonder where you’ve been the last ten years. (I gather you’re living in America? Not sure when you moved there.) The ‘anti-racist’ regime has been in charge in Europe for just as long; the main difference there is the arrivals are more recent and the national cultures are sturdier, and hence the nationalist response has been healthier, but still nothing even close to what would really be required.

    I was wondering if you had any advice on how to handle this in Eastern Euro countries (since you are both E.Euro and have lived around Anglos all your life in a multi-cultural setting)?

    I’m not sure how to answer that. I do and I don’t. I’m a little tired now – been out partying, still feeling a bit drunk. To answer the easier “I don’t” portion, the reason I say that is because I often find near-complete agreement with my talking points when these issues come up (er, when I find a way to introduce them into a convo), and yet, for all that, there still seems to be only minimal motivation for political changes in the necessary direction among the electorate. ‘Normies,’ bless ’em, seem to have a naive faith that, despite everything that’s going on (wtf when did my town turn half Indian?), the ‘big people’ are on top of things, perhaps ‘secretly,’ and will make the right moves when necessary. You virtually have to lead people up the aisle to the cockpit and show them clear as day that there’s no one piloting the plane before they’re able to contemplate the magnitude of the problem. Say you pull that off, they now grasp the actual dimensions of what we’re up against, does it necessarily help? Lol, fuck no. Some people go completely off the deep end – think the nazcore1488 types – they’re useless. Others become disconsolate but figure there’s nothing that can be done. Still others figure they’ll outsmart the system – no way will they see this one coming! – and opt for the mirage of “culture” rather than race. That’s the bad news. I’ll leave the good news (if there actually is any), for another post.

    To answer your earlier question, I identify mostly as Serb, but I’m “half” Greek, with some Vlach/Aromanian ancestry too (spoke a few words as a kid). I’ve heard that if we go back in time, virtually all my family were Vlach, but all the people who could confirm that (or think they could) are either dead or I’ve lost contact with them. I don’t have any strong nationalist feelings though. I don’t have any problems with Croats (unless they hate me first), and in fact I greatly enjoy meeting Croats who feel about Croatian identity the way I do about Serb – yeah, I was born and raised in it, but it doesn’t mean very much to me.

    Just tonight I was getting drunk with and singing old Serbian songs with a half-Croat, half-Macedonian girl, who knew those songs because her Croat father listens to them. I would prefer that company any day over getting drunk with a bunch of Serb nationalists and listening to their bullshit lol. That said, I do get the attraction of nationalism. There’s a Serbian monastery within an easy day’s drive from me. When everyone used to get together there for the big national days, sure it was exciting, I won’t lie. I just wish it didn’t invariably end up with hating our neighbors, you know? (There’s mild “hate,” and then there’s hate, we have to be careful with the distinctions, I understand this; just personally, I don’t trust any of it.)

    • Thanks: LatW
    • LOL: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @silviosilver


    Just tonight I was getting drunk with and singing old Serbian songs with a half-Croat, half-Macedonian girl, who knew those songs because her Croat father listens to them.
     
    I'm curious, why he'd be listening to these tunes? Don't the Croats have enough of their own songs to listen to? Just how similar/different are the two languages?

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @LatW
    @silviosilver


    I’m sorry to say, Lat, but based on the observations you outlined in this post, it sounds to me you’ve been living in an even larger “bubble.” Perhaps the things you mentioned are more “in your face” in the last few years, but they don’t represent any fundamental change to the preceding sixty years or so

     


    Thanks for sharing all that. I'm loathe to share personal details, but let me assure you that I'm acutely aware of the problems. It's just that after the whole BLM chimp out, I was a bit startled and didn't want to internalize those issues (I saw a hammer and sickle drawn in my neighborhood, we cleaned it up really fast, but it caused some resignation in me, as in, "Oh, you're here, too, eh...", and a bit of a loss of spirit, as I realized that if I started fighting against the leftards then, it would take too much mental energy, so I retreated into a kind of a bubble).

    But, no, I've been aware of this for a long time, of course, and, just like you say, we used to rant about this stuff years ago and nothing changed. Although I'm starting to feel a bit optimistic since it looks like due to recent events there appears to be some kind of a shake up in the West going on. With the world becoming more chaotic and dangerous, maybe it makes sense to return to old values of self-preservation? But it's interesting, because in a way, inside of a normal European country, one should try to appease all groups to keep the peace and pay more attention than ever to internal security, but also strengthen the outward security and that might require more nationalism (even if not ethnonationalism, then some kind of a "statism" or hopefully some kind of common pro-European tendencies).

    I'm gathering talking points now that I can share with my friends back home so we can arm ourselves to keep the Baltic states White for as long as possible (so that they are still 99% White when I go back there). I think talking points such as "there will be more crime" are insufficient.


    I don’t mean to be rude, but if the things you mentioned in this shocked you, I have wonder where you’ve been the last ten years.
     
    I actually have a lot of insights from the past from traveling to places such as London, Paris and Brussels and those were highly compromised already years and even decades ago. Scandinavia was always a bit better, but not entirely (unacceptably so).

    Although the last ten years, there's been an acceleration. Europe is a separate issue (which I'm more concerned with, frankly), but America is a special country in a way, it's more open. I live in a very beautiful, predominantly White area (with some Native American, Asian and very diligent Hispanic populations, and a ton of Ukes). But of course I've been to several large cities (lived in one) and see them changing (even saw first hand what happened right after the BLM mayhem, thankfully, that seems to have been cleaned up). Saw the ads change overnight from normal ads to large, messy black hair and "diverse" people. That was almost overnight and took me by surprise. Haven't yet figured out what to think of it.

    One thing I've noticed in the recent years is that foreign population is definitely growing. I visit a very beautiful mountain area every year, and in the last years I've seen more tourists there. It used to be just Whites and few people in general (mostly ski bums and occasional White lady landscape painters), but now I see women in saris and Chinese tourists. Lines of people forming on trails. This is a change of literally just a few years. I worry about the conservation of these beautiful places, however, I understand everyone's wish to experience this beauty first hand.

    Also, another great area, where I used to live in a big city, a little island where I used to go for walks or to bike, and that used to be completely lonesome and one could go for a long walk (or a long, nice swim) without seeing anybody, now is full of people and a lot more brown people than ever, and lots of garbage on the ground that never used to be there. That's it - and so easily, my favorite place is gone! Of course, they have managed to provide extra resources to keep it clean, but it's not the same as it used to be.

    So I am aware of it all, silvio. Also, the rise of the Asian female in professional circles is rather obvious.
    All the highest paying roles are still held by White men or Jews (or occasionally an Indian), but Asian females (of various types) are very much present and their presence and economic empowerment, if one may say so, is growing.


    Some people go completely off the deep end – think the nazcore1488 types – they’re useless. Others become disconsolate but figure there’s nothing that can be done.
     
    I have nothing against the 1488 types (the ones who are somewhat clean), in fact, like such boys very much (because they are "bad" and idealistic), even if I don't want to be (or can't be) like them myself. Another good strategy might be to hide under the veil of mild conservatism - this might work in EE. I think the so called "cottagecore" trend (and similar "back to Nature" and White cocoons) could also work in our advantage, especially for women.

    I identify mostly as Serb, but I’m “half” Greek, with some Vlach/Aromanian ancestry too (spoke a few words as a kid). I’ve heard that if we go back in time, virtually all my family were Vlach
     
    You're quite mixed then - also you didn't really grow up in Serbia, I'm assuming. I like the Vlach nationality a lot - after all, this nation has produced a great son such as Codreanu himself.

    So you are pretty much an Intermarium person (more so than I thought even). It shows a bit (in a good way). :)


    Just tonight I was getting drunk with and singing old Serbian songs with a half-Croat, half-Macedonian girl
     
    That's really awesome, I love that kind of a pastime, too, in moderation, of course (I just realized I know songs in something like 6 languages). Btw, there are some words in Serbo-Croat that are pronounced almost the same in my language. So they are closer to Serbian than to Russian. Maybe it's some kind of a Lusatian connection (in pronunciation).

    I would prefer that company any day over getting drunk with a bunch of Serb nationalists and listening to their bullshit lol
     
    I understand what you mean, even though I'd prefer my own nationalists at the end of the day, even if not all the time, as that can get a bit stifling. I'm always the odd one out (in every group lol, but at least I can fit in for a while).

    Btw, I wanted to warn you - with these proliferating security crises in the world, I've been hearing it mentioned in some Ukrainian sources, that there are forces out there who might want to stir up the Balkans again. There is now Ukraine, the Middle-East and they want to add another hotbed to create more chaos so they can operate more freely and unencumbered within that chaos.

    Honestly, I don't see how they could pull it off, since Balkans look quite peaceful now, not sure any underlying problems could be stirred up there, but I did hear this - it may be all empty talk and most likely nothing will happen, however, I'd suggest you to be cautious and careful against any provocations, let everyone you know over there treat each other with care and love and not succumb to any provocations. I wish only peace and prosperity.

  959. @silviosilver
    @LatW


    I hadn’t been watching the so called “lamestream” media for a while (had been living in my Ukro language bubble for a long time)
     
    I'm sorry to say, Lat, but based on the observations you outlined in this post, it sounds to me you've been living in an even larger "bubble." Perhaps the things you mentioned are more "in your face" in the last few years, but they don't represent any fundamental change to the preceding sixty years or so. 'Anti-racism,' immigration, and all the associated stupidity ('woke' is just a new name for a very old game), has been totally in charge that entire time. The only thing that has 'changed' is that 'anti-racists' are getting more desperate as nothing they have tried has worked and the demographic changes are waking up more and more whites to their racial plight. I don't mean to be rude, but if the things you mentioned in this shocked you, I have wonder where you've been the last ten years. (I gather you're living in America? Not sure when you moved there.) The 'anti-racist' regime has been in charge in Europe for just as long; the main difference there is the arrivals are more recent and the national cultures are sturdier, and hence the nationalist response has been healthier, but still nothing even close to what would really be required.

    I was wondering if you had any advice on how to handle this in Eastern Euro countries (since you are both E.Euro and have lived around Anglos all your life in a multi-cultural setting)?
     
    I'm not sure how to answer that. I do and I don't. I'm a little tired now - been out partying, still feeling a bit drunk. To answer the easier "I don't" portion, the reason I say that is because I often find near-complete agreement with my talking points when these issues come up (er, when I find a way to introduce them into a convo), and yet, for all that, there still seems to be only minimal motivation for political changes in the necessary direction among the electorate. 'Normies,' bless 'em, seem to have a naive faith that, despite everything that's going on (wtf when did my town turn half Indian?), the 'big people' are on top of things, perhaps 'secretly,' and will make the right moves when necessary. You virtually have to lead people up the aisle to the cockpit and show them clear as day that there's no one piloting the plane before they're able to contemplate the magnitude of the problem. Say you pull that off, they now grasp the actual dimensions of what we're up against, does it necessarily help? Lol, fuck no. Some people go completely off the deep end - think the nazcore1488 types - they're useless. Others become disconsolate but figure there's nothing that can be done. Still others figure they'll outsmart the system - no way will they see this one coming! - and opt for the mirage of "culture" rather than race. That's the bad news. I'll leave the good news (if there actually is any), for another post.

    To answer your earlier question, I identify mostly as Serb, but I'm "half" Greek, with some Vlach/Aromanian ancestry too (spoke a few words as a kid). I've heard that if we go back in time, virtually all my family were Vlach, but all the people who could confirm that (or think they could) are either dead or I've lost contact with them. I don't have any strong nationalist feelings though. I don't have any problems with Croats (unless they hate me first), and in fact I greatly enjoy meeting Croats who feel about Croatian identity the way I do about Serb - yeah, I was born and raised in it, but it doesn't mean very much to me.

    Just tonight I was getting drunk with and singing old Serbian songs with a half-Croat, half-Macedonian girl, who knew those songs because her Croat father listens to them. I would prefer that company any day over getting drunk with a bunch of Serb nationalists and listening to their bullshit lol. That said, I do get the attraction of nationalism. There's a Serbian monastery within an easy day's drive from me. When everyone used to get together there for the big national days, sure it was exciting, I won't lie. I just wish it didn't invariably end up with hating our neighbors, you know? (There's mild "hate," and then there's hate, we have to be careful with the distinctions, I understand this; just personally, I don't trust any of it.)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @LatW

    Just tonight I was getting drunk with and singing old Serbian songs with a half-Croat, half-Macedonian girl, who knew those songs because her Croat father listens to them.

    I’m curious, why he’d be listening to these tunes? Don’t the Croats have enough of their own songs to listen to? Just how similar/different are the two languages?

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Mr. Hack


    I’m curious, why he’d be listening to these tunes? Don’t the Croats have enough of their own songs to listen to? Just how similar/different are the two languages?
     
    I'm sure he doesn't listen to only Serbian music. You're something of a music-lover aren't you? Are you incapable of separating music and politics, or have you completely ceased listening to Russian music?

    The father was born near Vukovar (one of the frontline cities from the war, which you may remember from being in the news a lot, kinda like Bakhmut these days). I get the impression he grew up there, so it's possible he had Serb friends growing up and has a retained something of a fondness for Serb music despite the war? I don't know. Presumably he only has a weak sense of Croatian identity, since he married out. Or maybe he preferred Yugoslavia and was upset by its destruction (like me)?

    I admit I was a bit surprised when she told me he listened to "Rastao sam pored by Dunava" (I grew up by the Danube), since geographical features in music often inspire nationalist sentiment ("our beloved sacred land" type shit) and loving the Danube is definitely more of a Serb thing. But apparently he did grow up by (at least was born near) that river, so maybe that's the reason he likes it.

    Anyway, even among people with quite strong national feelings, it's fairly common to see them supporting the other side's national team in international sporting competitions when they're playing against non-ex-YU teams. Sport fires the emotions more than (non-nationalistic) music (love songs etc), so if they can support each other's sports teams, it shouldn't come as a shock they'd listen to each other's music. (Youtube's full of comments like "I'm a Croat, but this is awesome..". Also full of "go fuck yourselves, we're not done with you yet" comments lol.)

    The languages are virtually identical. As long as they're speaking the 'standard' languages, no one would ever have the slightest trouble understanding the other. The basis for both languages is the "Stokavian" dialect. Croats speak a variant of this called Ijekavian, which plenty of Serbs also speak. The only way I can tell if it is a Serb or a Croat speaking Ijekavian is if I wait for a word that only a Croat would ever use, otherwise my guesses would be no better than random. (Presumably the people who live there can detect the difference much more reliably.)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  960. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikhail

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/wild-day-as-the-ukrainian-game-of

    Wild Day as the Ukrainian Game of Thrones Revs Up!
    Simplicius The Thinker
    Nov 13, 2023

    Replies: @AP, @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    You know, you could do much better while visiting Substack than reading this moron, simplicius? Try “Rurik Skywalker’s” (Rolo Slavskiy) “The Slavland Chronicles” who at one time even had his threads posted here within Unz. One of his latest posts seems to validate a lot of what Ivashka was spreading here at this website, only in slightly veiled tones:

    The state-sponsored Islamification effort of Russia is the topic of the discussion today. There is no point in denying it — it is happening. I don’t even think that the shills deny it anymore and they instead portray this as a good thing. If before, it was hushed up, now Putin brags about his anti-Russian agenda openly. And of course, shameless shills like Saker were very enthusiastic about the program in their time as well. They argued that it was proof that Russia was anti-racist and that the West was run by Anglo-Nazis who were only pretending to be tolerant. This is, of course, the Kremlin line as well. They are trying to beat the West at its own game when it comes to multi-kulti.

    Furthermore, the Islam and migrant thing in Russia is yet further proof of a) a global mitzvah aimed at all White countries b) proof of the Kremlin’s complicity in the scheme and c) proof that none of this is “democratic” and is just forced on the people.

    To get more information as to why old Putler has built 8,000 new mosques in recent years, read here (great piece):
    https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/good-news-patriots-president-putin

    Sorry Ivashka, I apologise for doubting your “One world government” theories with Klaus Scwab running the whole show, for even a few minutes. You can come back now!

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    Your track record on Ukraine information is all fail except for political cartoons. But feel free to continue trying. You could be like the Little Engine that Could!

    Sorry about the Diamondbacks. They had a hot streak but they ran into the Texas Rangers hottest streak maybe ever. I will always root for any team whose mascot is a rattlesnake.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Gadsden_flag.svg/640px-Gadsden_flag.svg.png

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

  961. @Mr. Hack
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    You know, you could do much better while visiting Substack than reading this moron, simplicius? Try "Rurik Skywalker's" (Rolo Slavskiy) "The Slavland Chronicles" who at one time even had his threads posted here within Unz. One of his latest posts seems to validate a lot of what Ivashka was spreading here at this website, only in slightly veiled tones:


    The state-sponsored Islamification effort of Russia is the topic of the discussion today. There is no point in denying it — it is happening. I don’t even think that the shills deny it anymore and they instead portray this as a good thing. If before, it was hushed up, now Putin brags about his anti-Russian agenda openly. And of course, shameless shills like Saker were very enthusiastic about the program in their time as well. They argued that it was proof that Russia was anti-racist and that the West was run by Anglo-Nazis who were only pretending to be tolerant. This is, of course, the Kremlin line as well. They are trying to beat the West at its own game when it comes to multi-kulti.

    Furthermore, the Islam and migrant thing in Russia is yet further proof of a) a global mitzvah aimed at all White countries b) proof of the Kremlin’s complicity in the scheme and c) proof that none of this is “democratic” and is just forced on the people.
     

    To get more information as to why old Putler has built 8,000 new mosques in recent years, read here (great piece):
    https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/good-news-patriots-president-putin

    Sorry Ivashka, I apologise for doubting your "One world government" theories with Klaus Scwab running the whole show, for even a few minutes. You can come back now!

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Your track record on Ukraine information is all fail except for political cartoons. But feel free to continue trying. You could be like the Little Engine that Could!

    Sorry about the Diamondbacks. They had a hot streak but they ran into the Texas Rangers hottest streak maybe ever. I will always root for any team whose mascot is a rattlesnake.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Baseball has gone the way of the other sports with the playoffs. The best regular season teams get rewarded with a break in the opening round. In turn, is the likelihood of getting rusty.

    Good for the Rangers. Their first ever.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Where have I "failed" on providing Ukraine information? I'm not real big on numbers and facts, only when I need them to support some of my opinions. I enjoy looking at the big picture, and leave the minutiae to specialists like AP, Beckow, Mr. XYZ, etc. Thus my preoccupation with political cartoons, they encapsulate a lot of information in a short space for maximum impact. Glad to hear that you enjoy seeing them. Presenting Rolo Slavskyi as a viable alternative to simplicius was only an attempt to mercy kill simplicius. Do you really enjoy reading his stuff?

  962. Shifting gears –

  963. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    Your track record on Ukraine information is all fail except for political cartoons. But feel free to continue trying. You could be like the Little Engine that Could!

    Sorry about the Diamondbacks. They had a hot streak but they ran into the Texas Rangers hottest streak maybe ever. I will always root for any team whose mascot is a rattlesnake.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Gadsden_flag.svg/640px-Gadsden_flag.svg.png

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    Baseball has gone the way of the other sports with the playoffs. The best regular season teams get rewarded with a break in the opening round. In turn, is the likelihood of getting rusty.

    Good for the Rangers. Their first ever.

  964. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    Your track record on Ukraine information is all fail except for political cartoons. But feel free to continue trying. You could be like the Little Engine that Could!

    Sorry about the Diamondbacks. They had a hot streak but they ran into the Texas Rangers hottest streak maybe ever. I will always root for any team whose mascot is a rattlesnake.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Gadsden_flag.svg/640px-Gadsden_flag.svg.png

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    Where have I “failed” on providing Ukraine information? I’m not real big on numbers and facts, only when I need them to support some of my opinions. I enjoy looking at the big picture, and leave the minutiae to specialists like AP, Beckow, Mr. XYZ, etc. Thus my preoccupation with political cartoons, they encapsulate a lot of information in a short space for maximum impact. Glad to hear that you enjoy seeing them. Presenting Rolo Slavskyi as a viable alternative to simplicius was only an attempt to mercy kill simplicius. Do you really enjoy reading his stuff?

    • LOL: Mikhail
  965. @AP
    @Beckow


    The real reason for this collapse in the West is the abandonment of socialism… It took Europe 150 years of bloody struggle to create normal [Soviet?] societies, it wasn’t perfect but it worked. Then one spaced-out generation – the Boomers – destroyed it on whim and enriched themselves in the process when they could.
     
    Beckow finally condensed his ideas into one post.

    He is a lackey of the Soviets and hates the Boomers because that’s the generation that stood up to them until they fell (in the West) and ended the Soviet system in the East.

    Social welfarism in the West became untenable because the boomers didn’t make enough children to keep it sustainable. The reason for that was the breakdown of traditional values such as religion (replaced by hedonism), combined with the social system itself which promised that the state rather than descendants would care for them. Boomers simply didn’t think 2 generations ahead. Because they failed to create new workers themselves, they decided to import them.

    In the East it failed because it too was based on materialistic secularism, yet on that very basis was clearly inferior to the West. It had the same structural problem though, despite being poorer.

    The real problem was that the wrong side won the First World War. Boomers’ failures were downstream of that.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    In the East it failed because it too was based on materialistic secularism, yet on that very basis was clearly inferior to the West. It had the same structural problem though, despite being poorer.

    Even the European countries that have a strong belief in God don’t have above-replacement fertility rates:

    Total fertility rate in Europe – newest data available (2021-2020)
    byu/GPwat inMapPorn

    French and especially Czechs aren’t that religious and yet breed a lot. Poles and Mediterraneans are more religious and yet breed less.

    The real problem was that the wrong side won the First World War. Boomers’ failures were downstream of that.

    Do you really think that the West would have above-replacement TFR and no mass immigration (other than perhaps of, say, Eastern Europeans to Germany) right now in a scenario where the Central Powers would have won World War I?

  966. @silviosilver
    @AP


    It seems that he wanted to wipe out each European country’s particular culture and produce a pan-European one.

    That would be very sad.
     

    It really depends on how the process of "wiping out" those cultures played out.

    A soft approach, developing over the generations, something like various people becoming "Romans" doesn't seem so awful to me.

    Growing old and lamenting that, culturally, "things just aren't the way they used to be" is something every generation experiences to one degree or another. It would even harder if the culture changing towards the "hated occupier," which it stands to reason is how it sometimes would have seemed, would give one many more reasons to lament. I suppose there's no level of "softness" that would eliminate all such feelings.

    It would be even harder on the first two three generations after seeing your people put to the sword, and then still ruled with an iron fist. But even then, time heals all wounds...

    In either case, the descendants many generations down the line often view all it more positively. Myths and legends have had time to grow and the living generation often reflects on the process of cultural conversion (if they even conceive of it as such) as having made them what they are and are more likely to fiercely defend it rather than bemoan it. Isn't this essentially your attitude to the Habsburgs and Catholicism?

    I am certainly in the "meld all compatibles into the one unit" camp. Of course, just who counts as a "compatible" is a very thorny question, one still not settled and which probably won't ever be completely settled. But as long as things move in that direction, my preference is satisfied. (Would the Chinese - or the "Han" people - be better off as a done or a hundred cultural units? Hard for me to see why.)


    The real problem was that the wrong side won the First World War. Boomers’ failures were downstream of that.
     
    That's my view, which can be justified many ways, but the simplest reason is that what happened in our own timeline makes it worth taking my chances with the alternative timeline.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    That’s my view, which can be justified many ways, but the simplest reason is that what happened in our own timeline makes it worth taking my chances with the alternative timeline.

    Had the Entente/Allies won WWI but Russia would have avoided Communism, then things would have also likely been much, much better.

  967. @Sher Singh
    @LatW

    Shut up fatass.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20201228143809/www.thestatesman.com/opinion/a-tradition-of-chivalry-83789.html

    Sikhs aren't out raping women.
    Inter-racial pairings have gone up in the West with the advent of diversity.

    Attraction is but one metric, while availability's another.
    The best way to guarantee your women don't marry out is the genocide of all other groups.

    You've taken female solipsism & applied it to race.
    Hopefully, the men of your group aren't like this or I'd gladly scalp them; cousins or not.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @John Johnson

    You’ve taken female solipsism & applied it to race.
    Hopefully, the men of your group aren’t like this or I’d gladly scalp them; cousins or not.

    I don’t think you will have time scalp anyone.

    You are going to have a lot of airport fares this weekend.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @John Johnson

    https://globalnews.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/sikhsoldiers.png

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  968. @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    Kiev regime has an even greater penchant for lying with the US government far from believable a good deal of the time. You choose to readily believe them.


    Will you go on record and state that they did not plan on adding Ukraine to the empire? Just wondering if we can get you to do that.
     
    With fact based observations, I already confirmed that a few times.

    Why didn’t they send an ultimatum before invading? Why did they cut diplomatic ties if the goal was to negotiate?

     


    Does Putin plan on making LPR/DPR independent states as promised? Or they being added to the empire?
     
    Like a first grader in a class several grades higher. Russia first recognized their independence, followed by seeing them merged into the RF.

    Seven years wait to have Minsk Accords observed. Kiev regime, France and Germany later said it wouldn't be observed as planned when signing. Stoltenberg acknowledged a war like situation in Ukraine in the years prior to 2022, with NATO arming and training Kiev regime forces. OSCE noted an increase in Kiev regime shelling of Donbass in the weeks leading up to 2/24/22. There was also open talk in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine of doing a Croat Operation Storm like action.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Does Putin plan on making LPR/DPR independent states as promised? Or they being added to the empire?

    Like a first grader in a class several grades higher. Russia first recognized their independence, followed by seeing them merged into the RF.

    After the invasion Putin declared that DPR/LPR are independent states in a formal decree with his signature:
    https://www.jurist.org/news/2022/02/putin-signs-decrees-recognizing-independence-of-eastern-ukraine-regions/

    Did he fulfill his promise to make them independent states? You are saying he chose for them to join Russia as if they are children? Which means they were never independent as he delcared?

    OSCE noted an increase in Kiev regime shelling of Donbass in the weeks leading up to 2/24/22.

    Could you provide a link to that?

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @John Johnson

    Ukraine indeed increased shelling in the weeks before the invasion. No civilians were killed. The Russian army was carrying out huge manouvres that threatened incursions into Ukrainian territory at the time.

    Putin is a lawyer. He likes the legal niceties. As with Crimea the first step is independence confirmed by a referendum then a request to join Russia. What isn't part of the process is a public debate by the population involved. In Crimea, ethnic Russians were a majority. In the L/DNR they were a large minority, 40%, higher in the occupied regions as the big cities have Russian majorities. Their acquiesence sometimes enthusiastic, sometimes reluctant can be presumed. The acquiesence of the Ukrainians, Greeks, Jews and other will be forced by teaching propaganda messages in school favourable to Russian imperialism. The Russians are not native to the Donbas. They are a settler plantation brought in from the 1880s, exspecially from 1900, originally from Kursk, to man the coal mines amd steel works. Kruschaev is a good example. More arrived under Stalin.

    The Han Chinese have done this forever when moving south. They are doing it now in Tibet and Xinjiang. It is legally genocide.

    The Russians mostly supported the Whites who wanted the Empire restored. The Ukrainians mostly supported the Reds who pretended to offer independence.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    Nothing so off base about recognizing the independence followed by the will of the entities in question becoming a part of Russia. It's not as if the Lugansk and Donetsk leaders went against the reunification.

    On your inquiry, there're supporting hyperlinks at this article:

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/will-tensions-ukraine-boil-over-200725

  969. @AP
    @Beckow


    If Russia becomes convinced that Kiev will get nukes they will prevent it. You know it, EU knows it. The geography is very different, this is not N Korea or a more even match like India-Pakistan
     
    Actually, Ukraine and Russia are a more even match like India-Pakistan as we see.

    Ukies also showed they are utterly irresponsible and willing to go beyond any red lines
     
    Which further supports the likelihood of them getting nukes even over the (half-hearted) objections of their Western partners, if they don’t have another satisfactory deterrent such as NATO membership or perhaps some sort of mass drone army.

    So the choices are NATO membership or comparable security arrangement (US bases?), Ukrainian nukes, or Russia tries to conquer the whole country and occupy it.

    It depends. Poland, Balts, western Germans where hatred for the WW2 loss persists among many
     
    Poland and the Baltics remember Russian and Soviet occupation. That’s why they dislike Russia.

    It’s not about World War II loss.

    The number [killed in summer offensive] is a lot closer to 70k than to 10k you claimed
     
    Nonsense. The total number of Ukrainians killed in the entire war has been 70k (confidential US-UK estimate) to perhaps 120k.

    Summer offensive was stopped when it was determined that the minefields and trenches were too extensive. Zaluzhny, unlike Russians, does not use his troops for “meat waves.” It was then changed to mostly artillery bombardment and then trench-clearing of bombed positions. Slow, but less deadly on a mass scale.

    It may be restarted, if conditions improve.

    Ukies are dying for the right to have Nato in Ukraine. Who does that?
     
    Beckow, whose people were willing and enthusiastic servants of Magyars, then Nazis, then Bolsheviks, now Magyars again (waiting for Russians to return to their border?), can’t understand people fighting for their independence. It is so alien for Beckow that he can only think in terms of NATO.

    I suspect that a lot of the people who can only think of Ukraine as a pawn are pawns in their own lives. It’s all they know.

    One last point: I talk to dozens of Ukies and none share your blood-thirstiness: they speak Russian, play at being “neutral”, and are focused on settling in, most say they would never go back. I have yet to hear a positive word about Zelko or the Kiev gment – and nobody says they will go back “and fight the evil Russkies”

     

    Back right before and right after the war started, you insisted that Ukrainians would never fight the Russians, that they would give up. Didn’t you also brag that you knew Ukrainians and based on those whom you knew that is what Ukraine would do?

    Maybe draft dodgers in Slovakia are not a representative sample of the Ukrainian people?

    You are completely misrepresenting their attitudes
     
    Of the draft-dodging minority hiding in Slovakia? No. I don’t describe their attitudes.

    I rather describe the attitude of the general Ukrainian population. If they weren’t determined to fight for their country, Ukraine would have lost long ago. Most still want to defend it (I think around 80%). None of the family in Ukraine I speak to want to surrender.

    Of course you would never understand that. Your type understands Goebbel’s Czech lover much better.

    Habsburg-loving” family. How did you guys make it this far in evolution?

     

    We’ve done better than has your family, I’m sure :-)

    Replies: @Mikel

    If they weren’t determined to fight for their country, Ukraine would have lost long ago. Most still want to defend it (I think around 80%).

    If 80% of the people in Ukraine were willing to go fight on the frontlines it wouldn’t have been necessary to institute the mandatory draft and prevent all 18-60 year old males from leaving the country. It’s one or the other.

    That is not to say that Ukrainians as a whole haven’t shown remarkable courage and patriotism. In 2014 it didn’t look like they would fight the Russians nearly as hard as they have and maybe that’s what fooled Putin, thinking that nothing had changed since then. But one has to be realistic about human nature. In times of turmoil people tend to care much more about the welfare of their family and people close to them than about the fatherland. It’s the natural reaction. That’s why governments need to impose mandatory drafts and harsh penalties for draft-dodgers, along with public shaming. I don’t doubt people in EE are more patriotic these days than in WE but we’re not in the 19th or early 20th century. Like Beckow, we’ve all met ordinary Ukrainians who decided to escape the horror of the war and find a better place for their families.

    To know the real percentage of people “determined to fight for their country” everybody would have to be free to join the army and leave their families or send them abroad as refugees or to be with their families providing for them. Letting other people (foreigners at that) provide for you family is a very tough choice to make.

  970. @A123
    @John Johnson


    Because of the war he may plan on announcing his retirement at the last minute.
     
    Cope... Massive massive cope... Wishful desperation. How could the Ukraine SMO influence such timing? It makes no sense.

    You have to accept that there is not the slightest whiff that the Veggie-in-Chief is interested in imminent, graceful retirement.

    Hiring a POC female is not the main goal. Keeping out Trump is the main goal.
     
    You are assuming a unity that does not exist. A sufficiently sizeable minority faction can break the Democrat party. A sadly large chunk of the population has SJW Woke as their emotional raison d'etre. Burning the DNC to the ground to stop the white male "Patriarchy" is 100% acceptable to this substantial group.

    Look at all those bad Marvel and Star Wars projects. They would rather have a "stunning & brave" multicultural failure rather than make money. The same hold true in politics. There are plenty of SJW's who would refuse to support White Patriarch Newsom.
    ____

    I go back to my original point. If there is a staged handover as part of the DNC convention, to maintain party unity they have to pick a PoC female.

    The calculation is — If not Harris, what other credible PoC female do they have available? Michelle Obama? Rashida Tlaib? AOC?

    Feel free to throw in your preferred name(s).

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Because of the war he may plan on announcing his retirement at the last minute.

    Cope… Massive massive cope… Wishful desperation. How could the Ukraine SMO influence such timing? It makes no sense.

    Wishful desperation for what? You previously accused me of being a Biden supporter. I can dig up your own quotes if you want. Who am I coping for? I fully accept that Biden or Trump could become president. I’d rather not see Harris become president but I’m always prepared for America to the take the stupidity of Affirmative Action to another level. Maybe we should just hurry up and get to Camacho. The actor that plays him would be better than Harris.

    It’s possible that Biden could announce his retirement last year. There is historical precedence for politicians trying to wait out a conflict before resigning. They do it to try to show unity and to discourage the enemy from assuming a change in power may favor them. FDR for example should have abdicated his duties for health reasons in 1944 but stayed in office because of the war. The severity of his condition was kept from the public for the sake of unity.

    You have to accept that there is not the slightest whiff that the Veggie-in-Chief is interested in imminent, graceful retirement.

    It’s not simply about what Biden wants or thinks. There is in fact no reason to assume that Biden will ultimately be the one making the decision. Party leaders could talk his wife into pulling him. I’m merely pointing out possibilities and that seems to emotionally agitate you. I don’t know why you take the discussion of possible outcomes to be some type of offense or criticism. Do you have some fatalistic religious belief that Trump will win? A lot could happen in a year. Biden could slip and fall tomorrow. Pointing that out doesn’t mean I am emotionally attached to the scenario. There are a lot of variables in this election and the outcome of Trump’s trials is yet to be determined.

    This will not be a normal election year or even close.

    Hiring a POC female is not the main goal. Keeping out Trump is the main goal.

    You are assuming a unity that does not exist. A sufficiently sizeable minority faction can break the Democrat party

    How am I assuming unity when I already went into detail on how the Minorities First wing doesn’t control the party? I already pointed out how they were overruled in the last election. There were numerous articles from the left-coasts on how the DNC must pick a woman. Well it came down to a White man and a Jew. The primary voters select the final candidates.

    Look at all those bad Marvel and Star Wars projects. They would rather have a “stunning & brave” multicultural failure rather than make money. The same hold true in politics.

    The difference is that Disney is a hierarchy while the DNC primary is (still) democratic.

    There certainly are liberals that would nominate a minority woman even if polls suggested that the White male has a better chance of beating the Republican. There have been editorials that actually demand affirmative action within the DNC until a female is president. So what? The editorial boards of Wapo the NYTimes don’t pick the candidate. They can promote candidates but the previous DNC primary completely ignored their hopes and wishes. It’s similar to the national election in that those middle America states also get a say. A thousand pro-female/minority editorials will not change the voting process.

    I go back to my original point. If there is a staged handover as part of the DNC convention, to maintain party unity they have to pick a PoC female.

    Why would there be a staged handover and who would be forced to pick a minority female?

    Biden has a primary challenger. Are you suggesting that if Biden retires or dies the DNC will change the rules to bring in a female minority?

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson


    There is in fact no reason to assume that Biden will ultimately be the one making the decision. Party leaders could talk his wife into pulling him.
     
    Is it not possible that his wife wants to remain FLOTUS? I’m merely pointing out a highly likely possibility that seems to emotionally agitate you.

    You have to accept that there is not the slightest whiff that the Veggie-in-Chief is interested in imminent, graceful retirement.


    How am I assuming unity when I already went into detail on how the Minorities First wing doesn’t control the party? I already pointed out how they were overruled in the last election.
     
    You are illogically comparing an open run with no incumbent -vs- a primary against an incumbent. If you were an American, you would intuitively grasp the epically dramatic difference. Where are you from?

    If Not-The-President Biden had announced he was not running months ago -- Perhaps a competitive DNC primary would have allowed them to side step issue. I stated this in an earlier post. Alas, you missed it as you were too emotionally agitated to notice.


    Biden has a primary challenger.
     
    He will not be defeated in the primary. He is +63% on his nearest rival (1). There are two challengers running against him, neither of which are serious.

    Are you suggesting that if Biden retires or dies the DNC will change the rules to bring in a female minority?
     
    Everyone knows he will not retire. Thus, you are placing 100% of your scenario on the White House occupant passing immediately, at a time of your choosing. That is an anime plot.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tJZtOrm-WPk

    Given that primary/caucus eligibility is already closing, the DNC would have to consider rule changes. In another month or two it would plunge the process into chaos. How would ballot access function after eligibility filing ends?

    Remember, I’m merely pointing out possibilities and that seems to emotionally agitate you. I don’t know why you take the discussion of possible outcomes to be some type of offense or criticism.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/24_democratic_presidential_nomination-8171.html

  971. @AP
    @Beckow


    The real reason for this collapse in the West is the abandonment of socialism… It took Europe 150 years of bloody struggle to create normal [Soviet?] societies, it wasn’t perfect but it worked. Then one spaced-out generation – the Boomers – destroyed it on whim and enriched themselves in the process when they could.
     
    Beckow finally condensed his ideas into one post.

    He is a lackey of the Soviets and hates the Boomers because that’s the generation that stood up to them until they fell (in the West) and ended the Soviet system in the East.

    Social welfarism in the West became untenable because the boomers didn’t make enough children to keep it sustainable. The reason for that was the breakdown of traditional values such as religion (replaced by hedonism), combined with the social system itself which promised that the state rather than descendants would care for them. Boomers simply didn’t think 2 generations ahead. Because they failed to create new workers themselves, they decided to import them.

    In the East it failed because it too was based on materialistic secularism, yet on that very basis was clearly inferior to the West. It had the same structural problem though, despite being poorer.

    The real problem was that the wrong side won the First World War. Boomers’ failures were downstream of that.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    That is one confused chaotic post. You are obsessed with fighting the “Soviets” and “fertility” (a rather Nazi combination if you ask me) and don’t understand what European socialism was, and still is in some places.

    There has never a shortage of workers in Europe – the issue has always been that the employers don’t want to pay. So they create bogus shortages to import cheap labor. Idiots like you buy the nonsense and talk about fertility and secularism, everything but what matters: healthy labor market with high incomes and good working conditions.

    Social policies didn’t become untenable – they were abolished so more wealth can be shifted to the investor class – “the rentiers” in the 19th. century terminology. Boomers were in the middle of it – their blase stupidity and attempts at enrichment helped the rentier class to gradually change the policies. We have the results now – and it is the main contributor to lower fertility. Too many people don’t have the material basis to raise a family.

    The only way to fix it is by restarting the Euro socialist policies and closing the borders to cheap labor (incl. Ukies).

    the wrong side won the First World War.

    You and Herr Hitler share that belief. Is that why you are trying to refight it? He did too. But as far as I know he believed in strong social policies. You don’t even have that.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    That is one confused chaotic post.
     
    No, you are just confused.

    There has never a shortage of workers in Europe
     
    I know you have problems with arithmetic, it must be your schools.

    The ratio of workers to pensioners has declined, due to the Boomers not having enough children.

    For example, Germany:

    https://i.imgur.com/p38sJwu.png

    Until around 1965, 5 or more German workers supported each pensioner.

    From 1975-2000 about 4 workers were supporting each pensioner.

    But by 2015 only 3 German workers were supporting each pensioner.

    Did you know that 4 is a larger number than 3?

    So there aren't as many workers per pensioner as there were before.

    There would have been, if the Boomers had more children.

    Do you think that the system has problems when the number of people paying into it declines significantly, relative to those using it?

    And it will get worse and worse.


    Social policies didn’t become untenable – they were abolished so more wealth can be shifted to the investor class
     
    Social policies become untenable when the ratio of people generating wealth declines relative to the ones using it.

    It's easier for 4 people to pay for someone than it is for only 3 to do so. So either the pensioner gets only 75% of what he was promised or the workers pay more. But when the more workers pay, they have less money to raise their own children, so they have fewer of them. And so a downward spiral develops, because then the ratio becomes 2 workers for every pensioner.


    Too many people don’t have the material basis to raise a family.
     
    Yes, because there aren't enough of them of working age.

    the wrong side won the First World War.

    You and Herr Hitler share that belief
     

    We also both like dogs. So?

    Your nation was the most slavishly devoted to the Nazis in all of Europe, you were eager participants in the Nazi adventures. You are, I think, the only ones who actually paid yourselves to have your Jews murdered. Even the Hungarian regime didn't go that far. Is that right? And unlike Latvians or western Ukrainians who, like Slovaks, allied with Nazis, Slovaks didn't have the excuse of having experienced Soviet brutality. You did it out of pure opportunism.

    So the true Nazi spawn accuses others of Nazism.

    Replies: @Beckow

  972. @Mikhail
    @Philip Owen

    Russia doesn't have to offer the collective West anything.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    Then the collective West can arm Ukraine to the teeth for generations to come because the West sure as hell owes nothing to a quarry.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Philip Owen


    Then the collective West can arm Ukraine to the teeth for generations to come because the West sure as hell owes nothing to a quarry.
     
    Only to then see these weapons destroyed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoMSApzvGuw

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  973. @QCIC
    @Philip Owen

    This is not about Ukraine.

    The West did these things to provoke, weaken and corner Russia:

    Foolishly ended nuclear arms control treaties like ABM, INF and Open skies
    Expanded NATO beyond East Germany
    Meddled in many Russian border countries
    NATO war against Serbia
    Emplaced missiles in Romania and Poland
    Ignored Minsk II
    West helps Ukraine fortify against Russia and makes AFU NATO interoperable
    Oligarchs publically sponsor Ukrainian NeoNazis
    The West supports Ukrainian drone attacks on Moscow and Engels air base
    The West bombs Nordstream
    Nah-na-nah-na-nah-na, West gives Russia the bird

    Russia:

    Please stop doing these things, you will regret the consequences of your actions. We will all lose!
    What the hell are you doing in Ukraine, are you out of your minds?
    Nuclear capable missiles and canisters in Eastern Europe, WTF?
    Attacking the Kremlin and Engels? Holy Mother of God, the West is stupid and satanic!
    The West is not treaty capable so Russia does not expect to sign any useful treaties with the West.

    Humpty Dumpty (Ukraine) cannot be reassembled into his original form. The West pushed him off the wall.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    You have lost your mind, if it existed to the Russian propaganda engine. There was a time I thought some of RT’s statements had some validity. This is all Russian paranoia. The FSB officers were selected to be nationalist and paranoid. So the worst thing is that they believe some of this nonsense even though they made it up themselves. Independent decisions in thier former Imperial space triggers the paranoia. They have not yet understood that the Empire is decolonizing. Winning in Chechnya didn’t help.

    Post Soviet Russia’s own track record of honouring treaties is not great.

  974. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail


    Does Putin plan on making LPR/DPR independent states as promised? Or they being added to the empire?
     
    Like a first grader in a class several grades higher. Russia first recognized their independence, followed by seeing them merged into the RF.

    After the invasion Putin declared that DPR/LPR are independent states in a formal decree with his signature:
    https://www.jurist.org/news/2022/02/putin-signs-decrees-recognizing-independence-of-eastern-ukraine-regions/

    Did he fulfill his promise to make them independent states? You are saying he chose for them to join Russia as if they are children? Which means they were never independent as he delcared?

    OSCE noted an increase in Kiev regime shelling of Donbass in the weeks leading up to 2/24/22.

    Could you provide a link to that?

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Mikhail

    Ukraine indeed increased shelling in the weeks before the invasion. No civilians were killed. The Russian army was carrying out huge manouvres that threatened incursions into Ukrainian territory at the time.

    Putin is a lawyer. He likes the legal niceties. As with Crimea the first step is independence confirmed by a referendum then a request to join Russia. What isn’t part of the process is a public debate by the population involved. In Crimea, ethnic Russians were a majority. In the L/DNR they were a large minority, 40%, higher in the occupied regions as the big cities have Russian majorities. Their acquiesence sometimes enthusiastic, sometimes reluctant can be presumed. The acquiesence of the Ukrainians, Greeks, Jews and other will be forced by teaching propaganda messages in school favourable to Russian imperialism. The Russians are not native to the Donbas. They are a settler plantation brought in from the 1880s, exspecially from 1900, originally from Kursk, to man the coal mines amd steel works. Kruschaev is a good example. More arrived under Stalin.

    The Han Chinese have done this forever when moving south. They are doing it now in Tibet and Xinjiang. It is legally genocide.

    The Russians mostly supported the Whites who wanted the Empire restored. The Ukrainians mostly supported the Reds who pretended to offer independence.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Philip Owen


    The Ukrainians mostly supported the Reds who pretended to offer independence.
     
    I agree with most of your comment except for your clincher. It's just plain wrong and demonstrates that you're not well acquainted with the history of Ukraine during this period.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  975. @John Johnson
    @A123


    Because of the war he may plan on announcing his retirement at the last minute.
     
    Cope… Massive massive cope… Wishful desperation. How could the Ukraine SMO influence such timing? It makes no sense.

    Wishful desperation for what? You previously accused me of being a Biden supporter. I can dig up your own quotes if you want. Who am I coping for? I fully accept that Biden or Trump could become president. I'd rather not see Harris become president but I'm always prepared for America to the take the stupidity of Affirmative Action to another level. Maybe we should just hurry up and get to Camacho. The actor that plays him would be better than Harris.

    It's possible that Biden could announce his retirement last year. There is historical precedence for politicians trying to wait out a conflict before resigning. They do it to try to show unity and to discourage the enemy from assuming a change in power may favor them. FDR for example should have abdicated his duties for health reasons in 1944 but stayed in office because of the war. The severity of his condition was kept from the public for the sake of unity.

    You have to accept that there is not the slightest whiff that the Veggie-in-Chief is interested in imminent, graceful retirement.

    It's not simply about what Biden wants or thinks. There is in fact no reason to assume that Biden will ultimately be the one making the decision. Party leaders could talk his wife into pulling him. I'm merely pointing out possibilities and that seems to emotionally agitate you. I don't know why you take the discussion of possible outcomes to be some type of offense or criticism. Do you have some fatalistic religious belief that Trump will win? A lot could happen in a year. Biden could slip and fall tomorrow. Pointing that out doesn't mean I am emotionally attached to the scenario. There are a lot of variables in this election and the outcome of Trump's trials is yet to be determined.

    This will not be a normal election year or even close.


    Hiring a POC female is not the main goal. Keeping out Trump is the main goal.
     
    You are assuming a unity that does not exist. A sufficiently sizeable minority faction can break the Democrat party

    How am I assuming unity when I already went into detail on how the Minorities First wing doesn't control the party? I already pointed out how they were overruled in the last election. There were numerous articles from the left-coasts on how the DNC must pick a woman. Well it came down to a White man and a Jew. The primary voters select the final candidates.

    Look at all those bad Marvel and Star Wars projects. They would rather have a “stunning & brave” multicultural failure rather than make money. The same hold true in politics.

    The difference is that Disney is a hierarchy while the DNC primary is (still) democratic.

    There certainly are liberals that would nominate a minority woman even if polls suggested that the White male has a better chance of beating the Republican. There have been editorials that actually demand affirmative action within the DNC until a female is president. So what? The editorial boards of Wapo the NYTimes don't pick the candidate. They can promote candidates but the previous DNC primary completely ignored their hopes and wishes. It's similar to the national election in that those middle America states also get a say. A thousand pro-female/minority editorials will not change the voting process.

    I go back to my original point. If there is a staged handover as part of the DNC convention, to maintain party unity they have to pick a PoC female.

    Why would there be a staged handover and who would be forced to pick a minority female?

    Biden has a primary challenger. Are you suggesting that if Biden retires or dies the DNC will change the rules to bring in a female minority?

    Replies: @A123

    There is in fact no reason to assume that Biden will ultimately be the one making the decision. Party leaders could talk his wife into pulling him.

    Is it not possible that his wife wants to remain FLOTUS? I’m merely pointing out a highly likely possibility that seems to emotionally agitate you.

    You have to accept that there is not the slightest whiff that the Veggie-in-Chief is interested in imminent, graceful retirement.

    How am I assuming unity when I already went into detail on how the Minorities First wing doesn’t control the party? I already pointed out how they were overruled in the last election.

    You are illogically comparing an open run with no incumbent -vs- a primary against an incumbent. If you were an American, you would intuitively grasp the epically dramatic difference. Where are you from?

    If Not-The-President Biden had announced he was not running months ago — Perhaps a competitive DNC primary would have allowed them to side step issue. I stated this in an earlier post. Alas, you missed it as you were too emotionally agitated to notice.

    Biden has a primary challenger.

    He will not be defeated in the primary. He is +63% on his nearest rival (1). There are two challengers running against him, neither of which are serious.

    Are you suggesting that if Biden retires or dies the DNC will change the rules to bring in a female minority?

    Everyone knows he will not retire. Thus, you are placing 100% of your scenario on the White House occupant passing immediately, at a time of your choosing. That is an anime plot.

    Given that primary/caucus eligibility is already closing, the DNC would have to consider rule changes. In another month or two it would plunge the process into chaos. How would ballot access function after eligibility filing ends?

    Remember, I’m merely pointing out possibilities and that seems to emotionally agitate you. I don’t know why you take the discussion of possible outcomes to be some type of offense or criticism.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/24_democratic_presidential_nomination-8171.html

  976. @S
    @Mr. Hack


    The young coiffed up ladies were a pleasant sight.
     
    Yes, on the right women some of those 60's hairstyles were alright. Supposedly 'the flip' is making a comeback.



    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1Tso69LZ2nQ/WLcc_NeIPkI/AAAAAAACl4k/OhjMkaIStmcA6MQUVC3DOlJiAv11w62jgCEw/s640/6-Jean-Shrimpton-1960s-Hairstyle-Flip.jpg

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R5dQGzUkP4U/WLcc_IsgIJI/AAAAAAACl4g/3IMcKuJSX-g9N_zwYGTyVpRHQMHuno_EQCEw/s640/5-Jane-Fonda-1960s-Hairstyle.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. Hack

    I happened upon this clip last night quite by chance and thought of you and the dollish looking young ladies of the mid/late 60’s, this time in Paris during a New Year’s eve bash. The young men looked dashing too, almost all wearing long sleeve oxford shirts and ties. Everybody’s hair was long, fluffy and very clean looking too. The photography is top notch and quite clear, featuring the Who, Small Faces, Booker T and the MG’s and some others too. What a happy and exuberant crowd of onlookers. Oh to be young and carefree again! Keith Moon’s drumming was “out of this world”:

    Hopefully, Ivashka can sometime soon tell us whether anything like the spirit exhibited within this clip is still present within the clubs of Paris?

    • Replies: @S
    @Mr. Hack

    Thanks. I'd not seen that performance before. Some real lookers in there, especially at about 1:20.

    I wonder if the Who could away with that 'I'm a Boy' song today? Probably be seen as too controversial! :-)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  977. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail


    Does Putin plan on making LPR/DPR independent states as promised? Or they being added to the empire?
     
    Like a first grader in a class several grades higher. Russia first recognized their independence, followed by seeing them merged into the RF.

    After the invasion Putin declared that DPR/LPR are independent states in a formal decree with his signature:
    https://www.jurist.org/news/2022/02/putin-signs-decrees-recognizing-independence-of-eastern-ukraine-regions/

    Did he fulfill his promise to make them independent states? You are saying he chose for them to join Russia as if they are children? Which means they were never independent as he delcared?

    OSCE noted an increase in Kiev regime shelling of Donbass in the weeks leading up to 2/24/22.

    Could you provide a link to that?

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Mikhail

    Nothing so off base about recognizing the independence followed by the will of the entities in question becoming a part of Russia. It’s not as if the Lugansk and Donetsk leaders went against the reunification.

    On your inquiry, there’re supporting hyperlinks at this article:

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/will-tensions-ukraine-boil-over-200725

  978. @Philip Owen
    @Mikhail

    Then the collective West can arm Ukraine to the teeth for generations to come because the West sure as hell owes nothing to a quarry.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Then the collective West can arm Ukraine to the teeth for generations to come because the West sure as hell owes nothing to a quarry.

    Only to then see these weapons destroyed.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    More likely what's in store for Putler and his loyal minions:

    https://youtu.be/ZLUGsn-NOis
    Didn't your mother ever tell you to never touch a hot stove, Mickey?

    Replies: @Mikhail

  979. @Mikhail
    @Philip Owen


    Then the collective West can arm Ukraine to the teeth for generations to come because the West sure as hell owes nothing to a quarry.
     
    Only to then see these weapons destroyed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoMSApzvGuw

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    More likely what’s in store for Putler and his loyal minions:

    Didn’t your mother ever tell you to never touch a hot stove, Mickey?

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    When the time comes, I might put in a pardon for you.

  980. @John Johnson
    @Sher Singh

    You’ve taken female solipsism & applied it to race.
    Hopefully, the men of your group aren’t like this or I’d gladly scalp them; cousins or not.


    I don't think you will have time scalp anyone.

    You are going to have a lot of airport fares this weekend.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Sher Singh

    Singh, I might be more open to your message, but quite frankly I've been reading (in reality skimming) your posts here for several years now, and can't make heads or tales of them. Most are laden with images of somebody brandishing and waiving a sword, and you making your way to the gym to do some weight lifting. I understand that you're trying to present an image of a very macho culture, but why? I thought that the Sikh religion was peaceful...what exactly do the Sikhs want in this world? How can we at Unzland help you?

  981. @Sher Singh
    @John Johnson

    https://globalnews.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/sikhsoldiers.png

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Singh, I might be more open to your message, but quite frankly I’ve been reading (in reality skimming) your posts here for several years now, and can’t make heads or tales of them. Most are laden with images of somebody brandishing and waiving a sword, and you making your way to the gym to do some weight lifting. I understand that you’re trying to present an image of a very macho culture, but why? I thought that the Sikh religion was peaceful…what exactly do the Sikhs want in this world? How can we at Unzland help you?

  982. @Philip Owen
    @John Johnson

    Ukraine indeed increased shelling in the weeks before the invasion. No civilians were killed. The Russian army was carrying out huge manouvres that threatened incursions into Ukrainian territory at the time.

    Putin is a lawyer. He likes the legal niceties. As with Crimea the first step is independence confirmed by a referendum then a request to join Russia. What isn't part of the process is a public debate by the population involved. In Crimea, ethnic Russians were a majority. In the L/DNR they were a large minority, 40%, higher in the occupied regions as the big cities have Russian majorities. Their acquiesence sometimes enthusiastic, sometimes reluctant can be presumed. The acquiesence of the Ukrainians, Greeks, Jews and other will be forced by teaching propaganda messages in school favourable to Russian imperialism. The Russians are not native to the Donbas. They are a settler plantation brought in from the 1880s, exspecially from 1900, originally from Kursk, to man the coal mines amd steel works. Kruschaev is a good example. More arrived under Stalin.

    The Han Chinese have done this forever when moving south. They are doing it now in Tibet and Xinjiang. It is legally genocide.

    The Russians mostly supported the Whites who wanted the Empire restored. The Ukrainians mostly supported the Reds who pretended to offer independence.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    The Ukrainians mostly supported the Reds who pretended to offer independence.

    I agree with most of your comment except for your clincher. It’s just plain wrong and demonstrates that you’re not well acquainted with the history of Ukraine during this period.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Agree, but most probably with a different emphasis.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  983. @Mr. Hack
    @S

    I happened upon this clip last night quite by chance and thought of you and the dollish looking young ladies of the mid/late 60's, this time in Paris during a New Year's eve bash. The young men looked dashing too, almost all wearing long sleeve oxford shirts and ties. Everybody's hair was long, fluffy and very clean looking too. The photography is top notch and quite clear, featuring the Who, Small Faces, Booker T and the MG's and some others too. What a happy and exuberant crowd of onlookers. Oh to be young and carefree again! Keith Moon's drumming was "out of this world":

    https://youtu.be/vVjzPqcdHXQ
    Hopefully, Ivashka can sometime soon tell us whether anything like the spirit exhibited within this clip is still present within the clubs of Paris?

    Replies: @S

    Thanks. I’d not seen that performance before. Some real lookers in there, especially at about 1:20.

    I wonder if the Who could away with that ‘I’m a Boy’ song today? Probably be seen as too controversial! 🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @S

    I watched it through the Booker T & MG's concert, & if you haven't watched that one along with the Small Faces, I would urge you to do so (some more "lookers" to be seen). After that, it's local groups outdoors, I think, and not as interesting. Glad to hear that you enjoyed watching it. I had never watched it before either and also thought that it was quite good, and that it fit in nicely to our previous conversation about the era and music too...........

    "I wonder if the Who could get away with that ‘I’m a Boy’ song today? Probably be seen as too controversial! 🙂"

    It's hard for me to imagine anything being too controversial today. :-)

  984. @Beckow
    @AP

    That is one confused chaotic post. You are obsessed with fighting the "Soviets" and "fertility" (a rather Nazi combination if you ask me) and don't understand what European socialism was, and still is in some places.

    There has never a shortage of workers in Europe - the issue has always been that the employers don't want to pay. So they create bogus shortages to import cheap labor. Idiots like you buy the nonsense and talk about fertility and secularism, everything but what matters: healthy labor market with high incomes and good working conditions.

    Social policies didn't become untenable - they were abolished so more wealth can be shifted to the investor class - "the rentiers" in the 19th. century terminology. Boomers were in the middle of it - their blase stupidity and attempts at enrichment helped the rentier class to gradually change the policies. We have the results now - and it is the main contributor to lower fertility. Too many people don't have the material basis to raise a family.

    The only way to fix it is by restarting the Euro socialist policies and closing the borders to cheap labor (incl. Ukies).


    the wrong side won the First World War.
     
    You and Herr Hitler share that belief. Is that why you are trying to refight it? He did too. But as far as I know he believed in strong social policies. You don't even have that.

    Replies: @AP

    That is one confused chaotic post.

    No, you are just confused.

    There has never a shortage of workers in Europe

    I know you have problems with arithmetic, it must be your schools.

    The ratio of workers to pensioners has declined, due to the Boomers not having enough children.

    For example, Germany:

    Until around 1965, 5 or more German workers supported each pensioner.

    From 1975-2000 about 4 workers were supporting each pensioner.

    But by 2015 only 3 German workers were supporting each pensioner.

    Did you know that 4 is a larger number than 3?

    So there aren’t as many workers per pensioner as there were before.

    There would have been, if the Boomers had more children.

    Do you think that the system has problems when the number of people paying into it declines significantly, relative to those using it?

    And it will get worse and worse.

    Social policies didn’t become untenable – they were abolished so more wealth can be shifted to the investor class

    Social policies become untenable when the ratio of people generating wealth declines relative to the ones using it.

    It’s easier for 4 people to pay for someone than it is for only 3 to do so. So either the pensioner gets only 75% of what he was promised or the workers pay more. But when the more workers pay, they have less money to raise their own children, so they have fewer of them. And so a downward spiral develops, because then the ratio becomes 2 workers for every pensioner.

    Too many people don’t have the material basis to raise a family.

    Yes, because there aren’t enough of them of working age.

    the wrong side won the First World War.

    You and Herr Hitler share that belief

    We also both like dogs. So?

    Your nation was the most slavishly devoted to the Nazis in all of Europe, you were eager participants in the Nazi adventures. You are, I think, the only ones who actually paid yourselves to have your Jews murdered. Even the Hungarian regime didn’t go that far. Is that right? And unlike Latvians or western Ukrainians who, like Slovaks, allied with Nazis, Slovaks didn’t have the excuse of having experienced Soviet brutality. You did it out of pure opportunism.

    So the true Nazi spawn accuses others of Nazism.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    Do you think that the system has problems when the number of people paying into it declines significantly, relative to those using it?
     
    No, what you say is too linear - there are other variables: since 1945 the increase in productivity in Europe has been around 4 to 5 times. That completely compensates for the changed ratio of workers to retirees. If you leave that out you are working with fake equations.

    The "shortage of workers" completely misses the fact that somewhere between 10 to 40% of people in Europe now work in "jobs" that don't produce anything - fake gment distribution schemes, NGO's and "charities" of all kinds, assisting migrants. Or many don't work at all because there are not enough good paying jobs.

    The additional productivity surplus has simply moved to the "rentier" class - the incomes for the top 1-2% have literally sky-rocketed, the amount of wealth concentration is at pre-WW1 levels, by some measures at 18th century levels. That wealth was generated by the more productive and peaceful economy - if it was distributed in a social way (people being paid enough), today's economic malaise would not exist. And that would also turn around the fertility issue. Well, maybe, about that nobody can know for sure.

    Your nation was the most slavishly devoted to the Nazis in all of Europe
     
    Not even close. You really don't know the history and pick on small snippets out of desperation. But whatever, it is just your helpless hatred speaking. Your comment that Germany-Habsburgs would had won WW1 is exactly why Nazis started WW2. Learn how to live with that. And your focus of WW2 only on treatment of Jews is very ahistorical, again that ignorant propaganda of US education. Didn't your honcho "Reagan" personally liberate concentration camps? You live your fantasies.
  985. @silviosilver
    @AP


    It seems that he wanted to wipe out each European country’s particular culture and produce a pan-European one.

    That would be very sad.
     

    It really depends on how the process of "wiping out" those cultures played out.

    A soft approach, developing over the generations, something like various people becoming "Romans" doesn't seem so awful to me.

    Growing old and lamenting that, culturally, "things just aren't the way they used to be" is something every generation experiences to one degree or another. It would even harder if the culture changing towards the "hated occupier," which it stands to reason is how it sometimes would have seemed, would give one many more reasons to lament. I suppose there's no level of "softness" that would eliminate all such feelings.

    It would be even harder on the first two three generations after seeing your people put to the sword, and then still ruled with an iron fist. But even then, time heals all wounds...

    In either case, the descendants many generations down the line often view all it more positively. Myths and legends have had time to grow and the living generation often reflects on the process of cultural conversion (if they even conceive of it as such) as having made them what they are and are more likely to fiercely defend it rather than bemoan it. Isn't this essentially your attitude to the Habsburgs and Catholicism?

    I am certainly in the "meld all compatibles into the one unit" camp. Of course, just who counts as a "compatible" is a very thorny question, one still not settled and which probably won't ever be completely settled. But as long as things move in that direction, my preference is satisfied. (Would the Chinese - or the "Han" people - be better off as a done or a hundred cultural units? Hard for me to see why.)


    The real problem was that the wrong side won the First World War. Boomers’ failures were downstream of that.
     
    That's my view, which can be justified many ways, but the simplest reason is that what happened in our own timeline makes it worth taking my chances with the alternative timeline.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    Growing old and lamenting that, culturally, “things just aren’t the way they used to be” is something every generation experiences to one degree or another.

    That’s true. And every generation is more or less comfortable with what they are used to. American Zoomers are very comfortable with a society that is about 50% European and 30% Hispanic. They would feel out of place in a society where those percentages are flipped, but their kids wouldn’t be.

    So yes, a united Europe where everyone is mixed would probably be viewed as normal and okay by the people living in it.

    Myths and legends have had time to grow and the living generation often reflects on the process of cultural conversion (if they even conceive of it as such) as having made them what they are and are more likely to fiercely defend it rather than bemoan it. Isn’t this essentially your attitude to the Habsburgs and Catholicism?

    I didn’t grow up under the Hapsburgs of course. I like them because they oversaw a system of regional traditionalism – the opposite of a pan-European melting pot. They provided a safe haven for the small nations between Russia and Germany in which to develop culturally and spiritually. And within a conservative and traditional framework. Vienna could be a melting pot for those peoples and that was okay, because the homelands still existed. Interestingly, Hapsburg Spain was similar – IIRC Catalunya enjoyed more autonomy under the Hapsburgs than later under the Bourbons who replaced them.

    I can judge a regime by what it has left behind – the Hapsburg lands (more so those under Vienna rather than indirectly under Budapest) are among the best in the Europe. Austria and northern Italy the best, the others such as Czechia were soiled a little bit by Communism’s filth. Formerly Hapsburg parts of Poland, Romania, and Ukraine are better than other parts of those countries. Slovenia and Croatia are probably a lot better than Serbia and Macedonia. Northern ex-Hapsburg Italy is the best part of Italy.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @AP


    I like them because they oversaw a system of regional traditionalism – the opposite of a pan-European melting pot.
     
    The opposite in the short run. But unless the empire falls apart, and in the absence of deep religious divides, historically the different peoples under the same crown have melded. (I don't regard Catholic/Orthodox as a deep religious divide. It is a divide, sure, but far from a deep one.) Ultimately, Austria's cultural policy served to incubate the agents of its own demise.
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    So yes, a united Europe where everyone is mixed would probably be viewed as normal and okay by the people living in it.
     
    Did Kalergi actually advocate massive ethnic mixing in Europe? I mean, look at the US: There has definitely been a lot of ethnic mixing in the US, and yet even so, a lot of Americans still proudly cling onto their heritage. A lot of people who identify as, say, Italian-American or Jewish-American are likely mixed rather than fully descended from those groups. (Less sure about, say, Polish-Americans or Ukrainian-Americans, and of course German-Americans lost their original culture as a result of the World Wars.) I myself am an example of a Jewish-American who is only 1/4 Jewish by ancestry, with the remaining 3/4 of my ancestry being East Slavic.

    I didn’t grow up under the Hapsburgs of course. I like them because they oversaw a system of regional traditionalism – the opposite of a pan-European melting pot. They provided a safe haven for the small nations between Russia and Germany in which to develop culturally and spiritually. And within a conservative and traditional framework. Vienna could be a melting pot for those peoples and that was okay, because the homelands still existed. Interestingly, Hapsburg Spain was similar – IIRC Catalunya enjoyed more autonomy under the Hapsburgs than later under the Bourbons who replaced them.

     

    Didn't Austria under the Hapsburgs look much like the EU would look if it was led by Pan-European ethnic nationalists, the kind that were proud of their own ethnic identity (such as French) but who were also proud of being Europeans and sought to create a French identity within a larger Pan-European identity, similar to how Southern white American identity exists within a larger general white American identity?

    I can judge a regime by what it has left behind – the Hapsburg lands (more so those under Vienna rather than indirectly under Budapest) are among the best in the Europe. Austria and northern Italy the best, the others such as Czechia were soiled a little bit by Communism’s filth. Formerly Hapsburg parts of Poland, Romania, and Ukraine are better than other parts of those countries. Slovenia and Croatia are probably a lot better than Serbia and Macedonia. Northern ex-Hapsburg Italy is the best part of Italy.
     
    The Anglo lands are still more accomplished than the ex-Hapsburg lands. People are eager to move en masse to the Anglo lands, but people would probably only move to the ex-Hapsburg lands as a second choice, if not third choice (perhaps after, say, Germany or Singapore or somewhere in East Asia).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mikel
    @AP


    Interestingly, Hapsburg Spain was similar – IIRC Catalunya enjoyed more autonomy under the Hapsburgs than later under the Bourbons who replaced them.
     
    But the Spanish Habsburgs (the Austrias, as they were called in the country) were a dinasty of deeply inbred morons who reigned over the decline of Spain from the most important empire in the world to an impoverished second rate power in Europe. There's no undoing that legacy, even though Spain would have surely declined even in the absence of clinically retarded monarchs.

    Besides, it wasn't really respect for the autonomy of the old kingdoms they had earlier invaded or annexed to the Castilian crown. It was just reactionary recognition of medieval privileges. In fact, the Basque Country and Navarre still maintain some of these medieval rights (fueros), that allow them to collect their own taxes independently from Spain. They managed to rescue them in the negotitations to keep a unified state after Franco's death. A case of clear territorial discrimination but I won't complain. I much prefer my countrymen to manage their fiscal affairs rather than the incompetent and spendrift Spaniards.
  986. @S
    @Mr. Hack

    Thanks. I'd not seen that performance before. Some real lookers in there, especially at about 1:20.

    I wonder if the Who could away with that 'I'm a Boy' song today? Probably be seen as too controversial! :-)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I watched it through the Booker T & MG’s concert, & if you haven’t watched that one along with the Small Faces, I would urge you to do so (some more “lookers” to be seen). After that, it’s local groups outdoors, I think, and not as interesting. Glad to hear that you enjoyed watching it. I had never watched it before either and also thought that it was quite good, and that it fit in nicely to our previous conversation about the era and music too………..

    “I wonder if the Who could get away with that ‘I’m a Boy’ song today? Probably be seen as too controversial! 🙂”

    It’s hard for me to imagine anything being too controversial today. 🙂

    • Thanks: S
  987. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    More likely what's in store for Putler and his loyal minions:

    https://youtu.be/ZLUGsn-NOis
    Didn't your mother ever tell you to never touch a hot stove, Mickey?

    Replies: @Mikhail

    When the time comes, I might put in a pardon for you.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  988. @Mr. Hack
    @Philip Owen


    The Ukrainians mostly supported the Reds who pretended to offer independence.
     
    I agree with most of your comment except for your clincher. It's just plain wrong and demonstrates that you're not well acquainted with the history of Ukraine during this period.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Agree, but most probably with a different emphasis.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    Go ahead, try me?...

    Replies: @Mikhail

  989. @Mr. Hack
    @silviosilver


    Just tonight I was getting drunk with and singing old Serbian songs with a half-Croat, half-Macedonian girl, who knew those songs because her Croat father listens to them.
     
    I'm curious, why he'd be listening to these tunes? Don't the Croats have enough of their own songs to listen to? Just how similar/different are the two languages?

    Replies: @silviosilver

    I’m curious, why he’d be listening to these tunes? Don’t the Croats have enough of their own songs to listen to? Just how similar/different are the two languages?

    I’m sure he doesn’t listen to only Serbian music. You’re something of a music-lover aren’t you? Are you incapable of separating music and politics, or have you completely ceased listening to Russian music?

    The father was born near Vukovar (one of the frontline cities from the war, which you may remember from being in the news a lot, kinda like Bakhmut these days). I get the impression he grew up there, so it’s possible he had Serb friends growing up and has a retained something of a fondness for Serb music despite the war? I don’t know. Presumably he only has a weak sense of Croatian identity, since he married out. Or maybe he preferred Yugoslavia and was upset by its destruction (like me)?

    I admit I was a bit surprised when she told me he listened to “Rastao sam pored by Dunava” (I grew up by the Danube), since geographical features in music often inspire nationalist sentiment (“our beloved sacred land” type shit) and loving the Danube is definitely more of a Serb thing. But apparently he did grow up by (at least was born near) that river, so maybe that’s the reason he likes it.

    Anyway, even among people with quite strong national feelings, it’s fairly common to see them supporting the other side’s national team in international sporting competitions when they’re playing against non-ex-YU teams. Sport fires the emotions more than (non-nationalistic) music (love songs etc), so if they can support each other’s sports teams, it shouldn’t come as a shock they’d listen to each other’s music. (Youtube’s full of comments like “I’m a Croat, but this is awesome..”. Also full of “go fuck yourselves, we’re not done with you yet” comments lol.)

    The languages are virtually identical. As long as they’re speaking the ‘standard’ languages, no one would ever have the slightest trouble understanding the other. The basis for both languages is the “Stokavian” dialect. Croats speak a variant of this called Ijekavian, which plenty of Serbs also speak. The only way I can tell if it is a Serb or a Croat speaking Ijekavian is if I wait for a word that only a Croat would ever use, otherwise my guesses would be no better than random. (Presumably the people who live there can detect the difference much more reliably.)

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @silviosilver


    The basis for both languages is the “Stokavian” dialect. Croats speak a variant of this called Ijekavian, which plenty of Serbs also speak.
     
    I suspect that something similar occured in the formation of both the Czech nd Slovakian languages, with the Moravian dialect acting as a sort of substratum for each language. Fortunately, these peoples seem to have had more success at coexistence, despite different religious loyalties, than Serbs and Croats.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  990. @AP
    @silviosilver


    Growing old and lamenting that, culturally, “things just aren’t the way they used to be” is something every generation experiences to one degree or another.
     
    That's true. And every generation is more or less comfortable with what they are used to. American Zoomers are very comfortable with a society that is about 50% European and 30% Hispanic. They would feel out of place in a society where those percentages are flipped, but their kids wouldn't be.

    So yes, a united Europe where everyone is mixed would probably be viewed as normal and okay by the people living in it.

    Myths and legends have had time to grow and the living generation often reflects on the process of cultural conversion (if they even conceive of it as such) as having made them what they are and are more likely to fiercely defend it rather than bemoan it. Isn’t this essentially your attitude to the Habsburgs and Catholicism?
     
    I didn't grow up under the Hapsburgs of course. I like them because they oversaw a system of regional traditionalism - the opposite of a pan-European melting pot. They provided a safe haven for the small nations between Russia and Germany in which to develop culturally and spiritually. And within a conservative and traditional framework. Vienna could be a melting pot for those peoples and that was okay, because the homelands still existed. Interestingly, Hapsburg Spain was similar - IIRC Catalunya enjoyed more autonomy under the Hapsburgs than later under the Bourbons who replaced them.

    I can judge a regime by what it has left behind - the Hapsburg lands (more so those under Vienna rather than indirectly under Budapest) are among the best in the Europe. Austria and northern Italy the best, the others such as Czechia were soiled a little bit by Communism's filth. Formerly Hapsburg parts of Poland, Romania, and Ukraine are better than other parts of those countries. Slovenia and Croatia are probably a lot better than Serbia and Macedonia. Northern ex-Hapsburg Italy is the best part of Italy.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    I like them because they oversaw a system of regional traditionalism – the opposite of a pan-European melting pot.

    The opposite in the short run. But unless the empire falls apart, and in the absence of deep religious divides, historically the different peoples under the same crown have melded. (I don’t regard Catholic/Orthodox as a deep religious divide. It is a divide, sure, but far from a deep one.) Ultimately, Austria’s cultural policy served to incubate the agents of its own demise.

  991. @AP
    @ShortOnTime


    there’s way too much nitpicking over historical details
     
    It’s not “nitpicking over historical details” but presenting facts that contradict your Russian “historical” fairytales.

    You can’t address them, so you pretend to dismiss them.

    Being Russia’s neighbor is a nasty place to be.

    Almost all of the many immediate neighbors that Russia shares a border with (need we list them all? From Norway to North Korea?) besides Ukraine and Georgia look to be more or less fine
     
    Norway, the Baltics and Poland are under the NATO umbrella. So is Finland, now, but it lost a lot of territory to Russia. Belarus is Russified. China and North Korea have nukes. That leaves Azerbaijan, Mongolia and Kazakhstan. Azeris and Kazakhs don’t like Russians very much.

    Russia, like Islam, is a zone of conflict.

    Ukraine trying to align with NATO against such a great power, despite Russia having certain problems, and attempting to completely wipe out the Russian ethnic minority within Ukraine’s UN borders… don’t try and pretend Maidan 2014 and the still ongoing mostly deliberate Ukrainian shelling of Russian civilians in the Donbass is about anything else

     

    And here your Russian fairytales extend to modern times.

    About 2,500 civilians were killed by Ukrainian shelling (and about 500 by Russian shelling). Most in 2014-2015. Under Zelensky the number collapsed. It was 9 in 2021.

    The shelling followed the Russian and pro-Russian killing of Ukrainian police and military. In areas where Russians did not attack Ukraine’s forces there was no shelling. Ethnic Russians in Kharkiv and Kiev were fine. Many of them really hate the Russian state now.

    If 2,500 civilians is evidence of a policy to “completely wipe out” Ukraine’s ethnic Russian minority, what do you call Russia’s invasion which has killed an order of magnitude more civilians, primarily Russian-speaking ones in regions where most of Ukraine’s Russian minority live?

    Thanks for demonstrating that you swallow Russian fairytales about current and recent events. It explains your gullibility regarding historical ones.

    As I’ve pointed out before “Russian historical myths”, although not entirely perfect, are more well founded in fact than the historical myths of Ukraine and Poland
     
    As has been demonstrated, this is false and all you can do is handwave away the evidence as “nitpicking details.”

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Norway, the Baltics and Poland are under the NATO umbrella. So is Finland, now, but it lost a lot of territory to Russia.

    You know, it’s quite interesting that Russia is complaining that the West is not taking its security concerns seriously while at the same time, it’s not exactly like Russia took Germany’s and Austria-Hungary’s security concerns all that seriously in the pre-WWI era. If it did, then it would not have allied with France and Serbia, thus encircling both Germany and Austria-Hungary.

    Philippe Lemoine argues that for Russia it’s unpleasant to share a common border with the most powerful military alliance in the history of the world, but at the same time, Russia also shares a common border with China, which probably has long-term military power that’s comparable to NATO other than for China having much less nukes–for now, at least.

    That leaves Azerbaijan, Mongolia and Kazakhstan. Azeris and Kazakhs don’t like Russians very much.

    And for Mongolia, China is probably the much bigger potential threat (the USSR was actually Mongolia’s protector during the Cold War; AFAIK, Mongolia wanted to join the USSR but was declined by the USSR itself). Since Mongolia only borders two countries, Russia is the only realistic counter to China that Mongolia has.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Mr. XYZ


    You know, it’s quite interesting that Russia is complaining that the West is not taking its security concerns seriously while at the same time, it’s not exactly like Russia took Germany’s and Austria-Hungary’s security concerns all that seriously in the pre-WWI era.
     
    It's not really "interesting." Apparently AP never received the update (hence his belabored "proof" that Russia was the sole bad guy in WWI), but international relations scholars of all persuasions take it for granted that states exist under a condition of "anarchy" - there's no sovereign to appeal nor any set of established rules, nor anyone who could enforce them if there were; essentially it's every man for himself, sauve-qui-peut. Every state simply pursues its own interests and puts forward the best case that it can to justify its actions, both to assure itself of the rightness of its cause and to rope in any suckers on the outside who take them at their word. So does Russia adhere a set of double standards? Well of course, both then and now. Does America? Absolutely. So does everyone. It's just the way the game is played. Seeking probity in global politics is a fool's errand.
    , @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ


    You know, it’s quite interesting that Russia is complaining that the West is not taking its security concerns seriously while at the same time, it’s not exactly like Russia took Germany’s and Austria-Hungary’s security concerns all that seriously in the pre-WWI era. If it did, then it would not have allied with France and Serbia, thus encircling both Germany and Austria-Hungary.
     
    Payback for what happened previously. Russia stupidly backed Austria in the Hungarian rebellion. In turn, Austria did nothing for Russia during the Crimea War and then supported anti-Russian elements within its empire.

    For its part, Germany didn't consider that aspect. Russia also marched thru Berlin to Paris in its primary role of eliminating the Napoleonic threat in Europe.
  992. @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    High status women do not do relationships with negroes. They know better.
     
    Well, not only that but most White women are not physically attracted to other races (or their attraction might be too mild to make a difference). If they were, we'd be seeing way more of such couplings.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Actually, IIRC, some white women do appear to have a fetish for black men due to black men being hyper-masculine relative to white men (and some women prefer hyper-masculinity, after all). But white women in general still appear to significantly prefer to date white men over dating black men, unless one believes that there are simply too few black men for all of the ones who want a black lover to date.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Actually, IIRC, some white women do appear to have a fetish for black men due to black men being hyper-masculine relative to white men (and some women prefer hyper-masculinity, after all).

    I think it is some of that combined with a taboo factor.

    They know their parents would disapprove (even a lot of rainbow flag liberal parents) which creates a sexual temptation. The parents on paper "don't believe in race" but in reality are worried about their daughter breeding with a less than ideal subject. Such families pride themselves on academics and bite their nails over what could occur. Is what it is and also applies to their fear of their White daughter marrying the White athlete who barely got through college. It's honestly a sickness that such families seem to think all their grandchildren should be above average...at least. I don't think it is healthy for Whites to have this expectation but that is another topic.

    I would even say that at some large public colleges it is somewhat normal for a middle-upper class White woman to date a Black or Hispanic while in college. Then they later marry Steve the engineer. Most are somewhat indoctrinated but I think there is an underestimation of how many of these White women don't fully buy that race is a "social construct" but want to experiment in college or rebel for a period. Steve the engineer gets the girl eventually and also herpes.

    However the masculinity of Blacks in the real world is exaggerated and especially in the South. You see a lot more dark Blacks that were not cross bred with large Whites. Bantu on average are smaller than Whites. You may also notice personality differences but they of course don't exist and are probably your imagination since race is a social construct.

    Hollywood will depict a Black basketball game where everyone is a buffed out tough guy. In reality you will see Blacks of all sizes playing basketball. Some of them can be really narrow with very sloped shoulders. You won't see such Blacks in the movies unless they are comedians.

    The only accurate part in the Hollywood ghetto basketball games is that they are really good at basketball. The amount of time they put into basketball is mind blowing. Whites will take part in various activities and then play a game of basketball. Blacks will be at the court the entire day and into the night. I lived in a nice part of the city and they would come use our courts because the ghetto ones get destroyed. I had a designated parking space but my neighbors would get blocked out of their condos because so many Blacks would park up and down the streets. My neighbors were practically all liberal so I just laughed at them.

  993. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Norway, the Baltics and Poland are under the NATO umbrella. So is Finland, now, but it lost a lot of territory to Russia.
     
    You know, it's quite interesting that Russia is complaining that the West is not taking its security concerns seriously while at the same time, it's not exactly like Russia took Germany's and Austria-Hungary's security concerns all that seriously in the pre-WWI era. If it did, then it would not have allied with France and Serbia, thus encircling both Germany and Austria-Hungary.

    Philippe Lemoine argues that for Russia it's unpleasant to share a common border with the most powerful military alliance in the history of the world, but at the same time, Russia also shares a common border with China, which probably has long-term military power that's comparable to NATO other than for China having much less nukes--for now, at least.

    That leaves Azerbaijan, Mongolia and Kazakhstan. Azeris and Kazakhs don’t like Russians very much.
     
    And for Mongolia, China is probably the much bigger potential threat (the USSR was actually Mongolia's protector during the Cold War; AFAIK, Mongolia wanted to join the USSR but was declined by the USSR itself). Since Mongolia only borders two countries, Russia is the only realistic counter to China that Mongolia has.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Mikhail

    You know, it’s quite interesting that Russia is complaining that the West is not taking its security concerns seriously while at the same time, it’s not exactly like Russia took Germany’s and Austria-Hungary’s security concerns all that seriously in the pre-WWI era.

    It’s not really “interesting.” Apparently AP never received the update (hence his belabored “proof” that Russia was the sole bad guy in WWI), but international relations scholars of all persuasions take it for granted that states exist under a condition of “anarchy” – there’s no sovereign to appeal nor any set of established rules, nor anyone who could enforce them if there were; essentially it’s every man for himself, sauve-qui-peut. Every state simply pursues its own interests and puts forward the best case that it can to justify its actions, both to assure itself of the rightness of its cause and to rope in any suckers on the outside who take them at their word. So does Russia adhere a set of double standards? Well of course, both then and now. Does America? Absolutely. So does everyone. It’s just the way the game is played. Seeking probity in global politics is a fool’s errand.

  994. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Agree, but most probably with a different emphasis.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Go ahead, try me?…

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    We've interacted on this before.

  995. @silviosilver
    @Mr. Hack


    I’m curious, why he’d be listening to these tunes? Don’t the Croats have enough of their own songs to listen to? Just how similar/different are the two languages?
     
    I'm sure he doesn't listen to only Serbian music. You're something of a music-lover aren't you? Are you incapable of separating music and politics, or have you completely ceased listening to Russian music?

    The father was born near Vukovar (one of the frontline cities from the war, which you may remember from being in the news a lot, kinda like Bakhmut these days). I get the impression he grew up there, so it's possible he had Serb friends growing up and has a retained something of a fondness for Serb music despite the war? I don't know. Presumably he only has a weak sense of Croatian identity, since he married out. Or maybe he preferred Yugoslavia and was upset by its destruction (like me)?

    I admit I was a bit surprised when she told me he listened to "Rastao sam pored by Dunava" (I grew up by the Danube), since geographical features in music often inspire nationalist sentiment ("our beloved sacred land" type shit) and loving the Danube is definitely more of a Serb thing. But apparently he did grow up by (at least was born near) that river, so maybe that's the reason he likes it.

    Anyway, even among people with quite strong national feelings, it's fairly common to see them supporting the other side's national team in international sporting competitions when they're playing against non-ex-YU teams. Sport fires the emotions more than (non-nationalistic) music (love songs etc), so if they can support each other's sports teams, it shouldn't come as a shock they'd listen to each other's music. (Youtube's full of comments like "I'm a Croat, but this is awesome..". Also full of "go fuck yourselves, we're not done with you yet" comments lol.)

    The languages are virtually identical. As long as they're speaking the 'standard' languages, no one would ever have the slightest trouble understanding the other. The basis for both languages is the "Stokavian" dialect. Croats speak a variant of this called Ijekavian, which plenty of Serbs also speak. The only way I can tell if it is a Serb or a Croat speaking Ijekavian is if I wait for a word that only a Croat would ever use, otherwise my guesses would be no better than random. (Presumably the people who live there can detect the difference much more reliably.)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    The basis for both languages is the “Stokavian” dialect. Croats speak a variant of this called Ijekavian, which plenty of Serbs also speak.

    I suspect that something similar occured in the formation of both the Czech nd Slovakian languages, with the Moravian dialect acting as a sort of substratum for each language. Fortunately, these peoples seem to have had more success at coexistence, despite different religious loyalties, than Serbs and Croats.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Mr. Hack

    Obviously they've done a better job getting along the past however many years you want to start counting from, but who knows? If you tweaked some of the initial conditions only slightly and reran the tape, it's possible - as in, plausible - that history is so chaotic we could have seen the roles reversed, with Czechs and Slovaks slaughtering each other and Serbs and Croats winning admiration for their 'velvet divorce.' Of course, that would imply there's a severe limit on how much we can actually learn from history, which itself probably puts people off contemplating such possibilities. (It'd mean we're not nearly as in control of things as we like to think, which scares us.)

  996. @AP
    @silviosilver


    Growing old and lamenting that, culturally, “things just aren’t the way they used to be” is something every generation experiences to one degree or another.
     
    That's true. And every generation is more or less comfortable with what they are used to. American Zoomers are very comfortable with a society that is about 50% European and 30% Hispanic. They would feel out of place in a society where those percentages are flipped, but their kids wouldn't be.

    So yes, a united Europe where everyone is mixed would probably be viewed as normal and okay by the people living in it.

    Myths and legends have had time to grow and the living generation often reflects on the process of cultural conversion (if they even conceive of it as such) as having made them what they are and are more likely to fiercely defend it rather than bemoan it. Isn’t this essentially your attitude to the Habsburgs and Catholicism?
     
    I didn't grow up under the Hapsburgs of course. I like them because they oversaw a system of regional traditionalism - the opposite of a pan-European melting pot. They provided a safe haven for the small nations between Russia and Germany in which to develop culturally and spiritually. And within a conservative and traditional framework. Vienna could be a melting pot for those peoples and that was okay, because the homelands still existed. Interestingly, Hapsburg Spain was similar - IIRC Catalunya enjoyed more autonomy under the Hapsburgs than later under the Bourbons who replaced them.

    I can judge a regime by what it has left behind - the Hapsburg lands (more so those under Vienna rather than indirectly under Budapest) are among the best in the Europe. Austria and northern Italy the best, the others such as Czechia were soiled a little bit by Communism's filth. Formerly Hapsburg parts of Poland, Romania, and Ukraine are better than other parts of those countries. Slovenia and Croatia are probably a lot better than Serbia and Macedonia. Northern ex-Hapsburg Italy is the best part of Italy.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    So yes, a united Europe where everyone is mixed would probably be viewed as normal and okay by the people living in it.

    Did Kalergi actually advocate massive ethnic mixing in Europe? I mean, look at the US: There has definitely been a lot of ethnic mixing in the US, and yet even so, a lot of Americans still proudly cling onto their heritage. A lot of people who identify as, say, Italian-American or Jewish-American are likely mixed rather than fully descended from those groups. (Less sure about, say, Polish-Americans or Ukrainian-Americans, and of course German-Americans lost their original culture as a result of the World Wars.) I myself am an example of a Jewish-American who is only 1/4 Jewish by ancestry, with the remaining 3/4 of my ancestry being East Slavic.

    I didn’t grow up under the Hapsburgs of course. I like them because they oversaw a system of regional traditionalism – the opposite of a pan-European melting pot. They provided a safe haven for the small nations between Russia and Germany in which to develop culturally and spiritually. And within a conservative and traditional framework. Vienna could be a melting pot for those peoples and that was okay, because the homelands still existed. Interestingly, Hapsburg Spain was similar – IIRC Catalunya enjoyed more autonomy under the Hapsburgs than later under the Bourbons who replaced them.

    Didn’t Austria under the Hapsburgs look much like the EU would look if it was led by Pan-European ethnic nationalists, the kind that were proud of their own ethnic identity (such as French) but who were also proud of being Europeans and sought to create a French identity within a larger Pan-European identity, similar to how Southern white American identity exists within a larger general white American identity?

    I can judge a regime by what it has left behind – the Hapsburg lands (more so those under Vienna rather than indirectly under Budapest) are among the best in the Europe. Austria and northern Italy the best, the others such as Czechia were soiled a little bit by Communism’s filth. Formerly Hapsburg parts of Poland, Romania, and Ukraine are better than other parts of those countries. Slovenia and Croatia are probably a lot better than Serbia and Macedonia. Northern ex-Hapsburg Italy is the best part of Italy.

    The Anglo lands are still more accomplished than the ex-Hapsburg lands. People are eager to move en masse to the Anglo lands, but people would probably only move to the ex-Hapsburg lands as a second choice, if not third choice (perhaps after, say, Germany or Singapore or somewhere in East Asia).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    Also probably worth noting that northern Italy was already quite accomplished even before the Hapsburgs arrived there. Venice, Genoa, Florence, and, for a time, Pisa were all accomplished Italian city-states during and/or before the Renaissance, for instance. And there appears to be evidence that northern Italians are, on average, smarter than southern Italians are:

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2022/07/italian-north-south-genetic-differences-confirmed/

    Did the Hapsburgs make northern Italians smarter relative to southern Italians?

  997. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    So yes, a united Europe where everyone is mixed would probably be viewed as normal and okay by the people living in it.
     
    Did Kalergi actually advocate massive ethnic mixing in Europe? I mean, look at the US: There has definitely been a lot of ethnic mixing in the US, and yet even so, a lot of Americans still proudly cling onto their heritage. A lot of people who identify as, say, Italian-American or Jewish-American are likely mixed rather than fully descended from those groups. (Less sure about, say, Polish-Americans or Ukrainian-Americans, and of course German-Americans lost their original culture as a result of the World Wars.) I myself am an example of a Jewish-American who is only 1/4 Jewish by ancestry, with the remaining 3/4 of my ancestry being East Slavic.

    I didn’t grow up under the Hapsburgs of course. I like them because they oversaw a system of regional traditionalism – the opposite of a pan-European melting pot. They provided a safe haven for the small nations between Russia and Germany in which to develop culturally and spiritually. And within a conservative and traditional framework. Vienna could be a melting pot for those peoples and that was okay, because the homelands still existed. Interestingly, Hapsburg Spain was similar – IIRC Catalunya enjoyed more autonomy under the Hapsburgs than later under the Bourbons who replaced them.

     

    Didn't Austria under the Hapsburgs look much like the EU would look if it was led by Pan-European ethnic nationalists, the kind that were proud of their own ethnic identity (such as French) but who were also proud of being Europeans and sought to create a French identity within a larger Pan-European identity, similar to how Southern white American identity exists within a larger general white American identity?

    I can judge a regime by what it has left behind – the Hapsburg lands (more so those under Vienna rather than indirectly under Budapest) are among the best in the Europe. Austria and northern Italy the best, the others such as Czechia were soiled a little bit by Communism’s filth. Formerly Hapsburg parts of Poland, Romania, and Ukraine are better than other parts of those countries. Slovenia and Croatia are probably a lot better than Serbia and Macedonia. Northern ex-Hapsburg Italy is the best part of Italy.
     
    The Anglo lands are still more accomplished than the ex-Hapsburg lands. People are eager to move en masse to the Anglo lands, but people would probably only move to the ex-Hapsburg lands as a second choice, if not third choice (perhaps after, say, Germany or Singapore or somewhere in East Asia).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Also probably worth noting that northern Italy was already quite accomplished even before the Hapsburgs arrived there. Venice, Genoa, Florence, and, for a time, Pisa were all accomplished Italian city-states during and/or before the Renaissance, for instance. And there appears to be evidence that northern Italians are, on average, smarter than southern Italians are:

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2022/07/italian-north-south-genetic-differences-confirmed/

    Did the Hapsburgs make northern Italians smarter relative to southern Italians?

  998. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    Go ahead, try me?...

    Replies: @Mikhail

    We’ve interacted on this before.

  999. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Norway, the Baltics and Poland are under the NATO umbrella. So is Finland, now, but it lost a lot of territory to Russia.
     
    You know, it's quite interesting that Russia is complaining that the West is not taking its security concerns seriously while at the same time, it's not exactly like Russia took Germany's and Austria-Hungary's security concerns all that seriously in the pre-WWI era. If it did, then it would not have allied with France and Serbia, thus encircling both Germany and Austria-Hungary.

    Philippe Lemoine argues that for Russia it's unpleasant to share a common border with the most powerful military alliance in the history of the world, but at the same time, Russia also shares a common border with China, which probably has long-term military power that's comparable to NATO other than for China having much less nukes--for now, at least.

    That leaves Azerbaijan, Mongolia and Kazakhstan. Azeris and Kazakhs don’t like Russians very much.
     
    And for Mongolia, China is probably the much bigger potential threat (the USSR was actually Mongolia's protector during the Cold War; AFAIK, Mongolia wanted to join the USSR but was declined by the USSR itself). Since Mongolia only borders two countries, Russia is the only realistic counter to China that Mongolia has.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Mikhail

    You know, it’s quite interesting that Russia is complaining that the West is not taking its security concerns seriously while at the same time, it’s not exactly like Russia took Germany’s and Austria-Hungary’s security concerns all that seriously in the pre-WWI era. If it did, then it would not have allied with France and Serbia, thus encircling both Germany and Austria-Hungary.

    Payback for what happened previously. Russia stupidly backed Austria in the Hungarian rebellion. In turn, Austria did nothing for Russia during the Crimea War and then supported anti-Russian elements within its empire.

    For its part, Germany didn’t consider that aspect. Russia also marched thru Berlin to Paris in its primary role of eliminating the Napoleonic threat in Europe.

  1000. @AP
    @Beckow


    That is one confused chaotic post.
     
    No, you are just confused.

    There has never a shortage of workers in Europe
     
    I know you have problems with arithmetic, it must be your schools.

    The ratio of workers to pensioners has declined, due to the Boomers not having enough children.

    For example, Germany:

    https://i.imgur.com/p38sJwu.png

    Until around 1965, 5 or more German workers supported each pensioner.

    From 1975-2000 about 4 workers were supporting each pensioner.

    But by 2015 only 3 German workers were supporting each pensioner.

    Did you know that 4 is a larger number than 3?

    So there aren't as many workers per pensioner as there were before.

    There would have been, if the Boomers had more children.

    Do you think that the system has problems when the number of people paying into it declines significantly, relative to those using it?

    And it will get worse and worse.


    Social policies didn’t become untenable – they were abolished so more wealth can be shifted to the investor class
     
    Social policies become untenable when the ratio of people generating wealth declines relative to the ones using it.

    It's easier for 4 people to pay for someone than it is for only 3 to do so. So either the pensioner gets only 75% of what he was promised or the workers pay more. But when the more workers pay, they have less money to raise their own children, so they have fewer of them. And so a downward spiral develops, because then the ratio becomes 2 workers for every pensioner.


    Too many people don’t have the material basis to raise a family.
     
    Yes, because there aren't enough of them of working age.

    the wrong side won the First World War.

    You and Herr Hitler share that belief
     

    We also both like dogs. So?

    Your nation was the most slavishly devoted to the Nazis in all of Europe, you were eager participants in the Nazi adventures. You are, I think, the only ones who actually paid yourselves to have your Jews murdered. Even the Hungarian regime didn't go that far. Is that right? And unlike Latvians or western Ukrainians who, like Slovaks, allied with Nazis, Slovaks didn't have the excuse of having experienced Soviet brutality. You did it out of pure opportunism.

    So the true Nazi spawn accuses others of Nazism.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Do you think that the system has problems when the number of people paying into it declines significantly, relative to those using it?

    No, what you say is too linear – there are other variables: since 1945 the increase in productivity in Europe has been around 4 to 5 times. That completely compensates for the changed ratio of workers to retirees. If you leave that out you are working with fake equations.

    The “shortage of workers” completely misses the fact that somewhere between 10 to 40% of people in Europe now work in “jobs” that don’t produce anything – fake gment distribution schemes, NGO’s and “charities” of all kinds, assisting migrants. Or many don’t work at all because there are not enough good paying jobs.

    The additional productivity surplus has simply moved to the “rentier” class – the incomes for the top 1-2% have literally sky-rocketed, the amount of wealth concentration is at pre-WW1 levels, by some measures at 18th century levels. That wealth was generated by the more productive and peaceful economy – if it was distributed in a social way (people being paid enough), today’s economic malaise would not exist. And that would also turn around the fertility issue. Well, maybe, about that nobody can know for sure.

    Your nation was the most slavishly devoted to the Nazis in all of Europe

    Not even close. You really don’t know the history and pick on small snippets out of desperation. But whatever, it is just your helpless hatred speaking. Your comment that Germany-Habsburgs would had won WW1 is exactly why Nazis started WW2. Learn how to live with that. And your focus of WW2 only on treatment of Jews is very ahistorical, again that ignorant propaganda of US education. Didn’t your honcho “Reagan” personally liberate concentration camps? You live your fantasies.

  1001. @Mikhail
    @Beckow


    About the Prigozhin march into the fields: it was nothing, but the timing seems interesting. As if it was coordinated to feed the Ukie soldiers with some hope that they can storm the Russian lines, since there was a “rebellion”. To think of it, Russians are savvy enough to organize a trap like that. Or someone else.
     
    I like a good conspiracy theory but not in this instance. Prigozhin became a full of himself loose cannon. Putin said cocaine was found in his apartment with grenade fragments found in what remained of Prigo's corpse, suggesting rash manner on his part. In the lead up to his tragic fate, he was behaving irrationally.

    In any event, what's going on right now in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine resembles more of a rebellion. Messianic delusional Zelensky suspends elections in a situation of already banned political parties. In turn, one faction is touting the military man Banderite Zaluzhny to replace Zelensky as those two bicker with each other.

    Garland Nixon said it reminded him of a basketball game where the side losing starts to openly quarrel among themselves on the court and on the sidelines. Stay tuned.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …but not in this instance. Prigozhin became a full of himself loose cannon.

    I agree. But given that there is a lot we don’t know the odds of Prigozhin succeeding to odds of it being a staged theatre are at least 1 to 100. Of course, both those option are very unlikely.

    It was probably the usual dissent with a touch of madness that for some reason received an incredibly high publicity in the West. It was an interesting story but the coverage was unreal since it was obvious it had zero chance of success. Maybe they opportunistically latched into it…it probably did firm up the Ukie morale just at the right time. That is quite a coincidence, but it happens.

  1002. @Mr. Hack
    @silviosilver


    The basis for both languages is the “Stokavian” dialect. Croats speak a variant of this called Ijekavian, which plenty of Serbs also speak.
     
    I suspect that something similar occured in the formation of both the Czech nd Slovakian languages, with the Moravian dialect acting as a sort of substratum for each language. Fortunately, these peoples seem to have had more success at coexistence, despite different religious loyalties, than Serbs and Croats.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Obviously they’ve done a better job getting along the past however many years you want to start counting from, but who knows? If you tweaked some of the initial conditions only slightly and reran the tape, it’s possible – as in, plausible – that history is so chaotic we could have seen the roles reversed, with Czechs and Slovaks slaughtering each other and Serbs and Croats winning admiration for their ‘velvet divorce.’ Of course, that would imply there’s a severe limit on how much we can actually learn from history, which itself probably puts people off contemplating such possibilities. (It’d mean we’re not nearly as in control of things as we like to think, which scares us.)

  1003. Putin’s Jewish propagandist and fellow dwarf is upset about Germany sending taurus missiles:

    I guess only Russia can have missiles in war.

    Over at Moon of Alabama they are talking about how Zelensky’s Jewishness is evidence of a conspiracy. I guess when Putin has Jews in his cabinet they aren’t conspiring against them.

    Putin standing next to Spiegel without his platform shoes:

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    They're winning when compared to man child dwarf dictator Zelensky. You can be sure that a good number of Kiev regime officialdom sons and daughters have avoided serving. This is something typical the world over when it comes to elites. Did on screen tough guy John Wayne ever actually serve?

    Replies: @John Johnson

  1004. @AP
    @silviosilver


    Growing old and lamenting that, culturally, “things just aren’t the way they used to be” is something every generation experiences to one degree or another.
     
    That's true. And every generation is more or less comfortable with what they are used to. American Zoomers are very comfortable with a society that is about 50% European and 30% Hispanic. They would feel out of place in a society where those percentages are flipped, but their kids wouldn't be.

    So yes, a united Europe where everyone is mixed would probably be viewed as normal and okay by the people living in it.

    Myths and legends have had time to grow and the living generation often reflects on the process of cultural conversion (if they even conceive of it as such) as having made them what they are and are more likely to fiercely defend it rather than bemoan it. Isn’t this essentially your attitude to the Habsburgs and Catholicism?
     
    I didn't grow up under the Hapsburgs of course. I like them because they oversaw a system of regional traditionalism - the opposite of a pan-European melting pot. They provided a safe haven for the small nations between Russia and Germany in which to develop culturally and spiritually. And within a conservative and traditional framework. Vienna could be a melting pot for those peoples and that was okay, because the homelands still existed. Interestingly, Hapsburg Spain was similar - IIRC Catalunya enjoyed more autonomy under the Hapsburgs than later under the Bourbons who replaced them.

    I can judge a regime by what it has left behind - the Hapsburg lands (more so those under Vienna rather than indirectly under Budapest) are among the best in the Europe. Austria and northern Italy the best, the others such as Czechia were soiled a little bit by Communism's filth. Formerly Hapsburg parts of Poland, Romania, and Ukraine are better than other parts of those countries. Slovenia and Croatia are probably a lot better than Serbia and Macedonia. Northern ex-Hapsburg Italy is the best part of Italy.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    Interestingly, Hapsburg Spain was similar – IIRC Catalunya enjoyed more autonomy under the Hapsburgs than later under the Bourbons who replaced them.

    But the Spanish Habsburgs (the Austrias, as they were called in the country) were a dinasty of deeply inbred morons who reigned over the decline of Spain from the most important empire in the world to an impoverished second rate power in Europe. There’s no undoing that legacy, even though Spain would have surely declined even in the absence of clinically retarded monarchs.

    Besides, it wasn’t really respect for the autonomy of the old kingdoms they had earlier invaded or annexed to the Castilian crown. It was just reactionary recognition of medieval privileges. In fact, the Basque Country and Navarre still maintain some of these medieval rights (fueros), that allow them to collect their own taxes independently from Spain. They managed to rescue them in the negotitations to keep a unified state after Franco’s death. A case of clear territorial discrimination but I won’t complain. I much prefer my countrymen to manage their fiscal affairs rather than the incompetent and spendrift Spaniards.

  1005. @John Johnson
    Putin's Jewish propagandist and fellow dwarf is upset about Germany sending taurus missiles:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9BoPznatnY

    I guess only Russia can have missiles in war.

    Over at Moon of Alabama they are talking about how Zelensky's Jewishness is evidence of a conspiracy. I guess when Putin has Jews in his cabinet they aren't conspiring against them.

    Putin standing next to Spiegel without his platform shoes:
    https://d2v9ipibika81v.cloudfront.net/uploads/sites/165/Russia_Vladimir_Solovyov_television_propoganda_Putin_AP355605941844-1024x768-1.jpg

    https://preview.redd.it/kremlins-top-propagandist-solovyov-does-not-like-being-v0-fdhc5qxbtxha1.jpg?auto=webp&s=7e4c576dbeadf62a9377caedf23096ff5235f756

    Replies: @Mikhail

    They’re winning when compared to man child dwarf dictator Zelensky. You can be sure that a good number of Kiev regime officialdom sons and daughters have avoided serving. This is something typical the world over when it comes to elites. Did on screen tough guy John Wayne ever actually serve?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    This is something typical the world over when it comes to elites. Did on screen tough guy John Wayne ever actually serve?

    I fully support requiring that children of elites serve in frontline positions.

    It actually was once considered expected for British politicians to have served in some type of theater.

    There was a period where the British upper class took pride in having sons serve in combat. Those days are of course in the past as the Western upper class everywhere discourages their children from joining the military.

    Did on screen tough guy John Wayne ever actually serve?

    Nope. I never understood the reverence for him. He was never a cowboy or a soldier. John Wayne airport?

    Both Elvis and Charles Bronson served in the military. Bronson was actually a gunner on a B-29 and served his 25 missions in the Japanese theater.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  1006. @silviosilver
    @LatW


    I hadn’t been watching the so called “lamestream” media for a while (had been living in my Ukro language bubble for a long time)
     
    I'm sorry to say, Lat, but based on the observations you outlined in this post, it sounds to me you've been living in an even larger "bubble." Perhaps the things you mentioned are more "in your face" in the last few years, but they don't represent any fundamental change to the preceding sixty years or so. 'Anti-racism,' immigration, and all the associated stupidity ('woke' is just a new name for a very old game), has been totally in charge that entire time. The only thing that has 'changed' is that 'anti-racists' are getting more desperate as nothing they have tried has worked and the demographic changes are waking up more and more whites to their racial plight. I don't mean to be rude, but if the things you mentioned in this shocked you, I have wonder where you've been the last ten years. (I gather you're living in America? Not sure when you moved there.) The 'anti-racist' regime has been in charge in Europe for just as long; the main difference there is the arrivals are more recent and the national cultures are sturdier, and hence the nationalist response has been healthier, but still nothing even close to what would really be required.

    I was wondering if you had any advice on how to handle this in Eastern Euro countries (since you are both E.Euro and have lived around Anglos all your life in a multi-cultural setting)?
     
    I'm not sure how to answer that. I do and I don't. I'm a little tired now - been out partying, still feeling a bit drunk. To answer the easier "I don't" portion, the reason I say that is because I often find near-complete agreement with my talking points when these issues come up (er, when I find a way to introduce them into a convo), and yet, for all that, there still seems to be only minimal motivation for political changes in the necessary direction among the electorate. 'Normies,' bless 'em, seem to have a naive faith that, despite everything that's going on (wtf when did my town turn half Indian?), the 'big people' are on top of things, perhaps 'secretly,' and will make the right moves when necessary. You virtually have to lead people up the aisle to the cockpit and show them clear as day that there's no one piloting the plane before they're able to contemplate the magnitude of the problem. Say you pull that off, they now grasp the actual dimensions of what we're up against, does it necessarily help? Lol, fuck no. Some people go completely off the deep end - think the nazcore1488 types - they're useless. Others become disconsolate but figure there's nothing that can be done. Still others figure they'll outsmart the system - no way will they see this one coming! - and opt for the mirage of "culture" rather than race. That's the bad news. I'll leave the good news (if there actually is any), for another post.

    To answer your earlier question, I identify mostly as Serb, but I'm "half" Greek, with some Vlach/Aromanian ancestry too (spoke a few words as a kid). I've heard that if we go back in time, virtually all my family were Vlach, but all the people who could confirm that (or think they could) are either dead or I've lost contact with them. I don't have any strong nationalist feelings though. I don't have any problems with Croats (unless they hate me first), and in fact I greatly enjoy meeting Croats who feel about Croatian identity the way I do about Serb - yeah, I was born and raised in it, but it doesn't mean very much to me.

    Just tonight I was getting drunk with and singing old Serbian songs with a half-Croat, half-Macedonian girl, who knew those songs because her Croat father listens to them. I would prefer that company any day over getting drunk with a bunch of Serb nationalists and listening to their bullshit lol. That said, I do get the attraction of nationalism. There's a Serbian monastery within an easy day's drive from me. When everyone used to get together there for the big national days, sure it was exciting, I won't lie. I just wish it didn't invariably end up with hating our neighbors, you know? (There's mild "hate," and then there's hate, we have to be careful with the distinctions, I understand this; just personally, I don't trust any of it.)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @LatW

    I’m sorry to say, Lat, but based on the observations you outlined in this post, it sounds to me you’ve been living in an even larger “bubble.” Perhaps the things you mentioned are more “in your face” in the last few years, but they don’t represent any fundamental change to the preceding sixty years or so

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    Thanks for sharing all that. I’m loathe to share personal details, but let me assure you that I’m acutely aware of the problems. It’s just that after the whole BLM chimp out, I was a bit startled and didn’t want to internalize those issues (I saw a hammer and sickle drawn in my neighborhood, we cleaned it up really fast, but it caused some resignation in me, as in, “Oh, you’re here, too, eh…”, and a bit of a loss of spirit, as I realized that if I started fighting against the leftards then, it would take too much mental energy, so I retreated into a kind of a bubble).

    But, no, I’ve been aware of this for a long time, of course, and, just like you say, we used to rant about this stuff years ago and nothing changed. Although I’m starting to feel a bit optimistic since it looks like due to recent events there appears to be some kind of a shake up in the West going on. With the world becoming more chaotic and dangerous, maybe it makes sense to return to old values of self-preservation? But it’s interesting, because in a way, inside of a normal European country, one should try to appease all groups to keep the peace and pay more attention than ever to internal security, but also strengthen the outward security and that might require more nationalism (even if not ethnonationalism, then some kind of a “statism” or hopefully some kind of common pro-European tendencies).

    I’m gathering talking points now that I can share with my friends back home so we can arm ourselves to keep the Baltic states White for as long as possible (so that they are still 99% White when I go back there). I think talking points such as “there will be more crime” are insufficient.

    I don’t mean to be rude, but if the things you mentioned in this shocked you, I have wonder where you’ve been the last ten years.

    I actually have a lot of insights from the past from traveling to places such as London, Paris and Brussels and those were highly compromised already years and even decades ago. Scandinavia was always a bit better, but not entirely (unacceptably so).

    Although the last ten years, there’s been an acceleration. Europe is a separate issue (which I’m more concerned with, frankly), but America is a special country in a way, it’s more open. I live in a very beautiful, predominantly White area (with some Native American, Asian and very diligent Hispanic populations, and a ton of Ukes). But of course I’ve been to several large cities (lived in one) and see them changing (even saw first hand what happened right after the BLM mayhem, thankfully, that seems to have been cleaned up). Saw the ads change overnight from normal ads to large, messy black hair and “diverse” people. That was almost overnight and took me by surprise. Haven’t yet figured out what to think of it.

    One thing I’ve noticed in the recent years is that foreign population is definitely growing. I visit a very beautiful mountain area every year, and in the last years I’ve seen more tourists there. It used to be just Whites and few people in general (mostly ski bums and occasional White lady landscape painters), but now I see women in saris and Chinese tourists. Lines of people forming on trails. This is a change of literally just a few years. I worry about the conservation of these beautiful places, however, I understand everyone’s wish to experience this beauty first hand.

    Also, another great area, where I used to live in a big city, a little island where I used to go for walks or to bike, and that used to be completely lonesome and one could go for a long walk (or a long, nice swim) without seeing anybody, now is full of people and a lot more brown people than ever, and lots of garbage on the ground that never used to be there. That’s it – and so easily, my favorite place is gone! Of course, they have managed to provide extra resources to keep it clean, but it’s not the same as it used to be.

    So I am aware of it all, silvio. Also, the rise of the Asian female in professional circles is rather obvious.
    All the highest paying roles are still held by White men or Jews (or occasionally an Indian), but Asian females (of various types) are very much present and their presence and economic empowerment, if one may say so, is growing.

    Some people go completely off the deep end – think the nazcore1488 types – they’re useless. Others become disconsolate but figure there’s nothing that can be done.

    I have nothing against the 1488 types (the ones who are somewhat clean), in fact, like such boys very much (because they are “bad” and idealistic), even if I don’t want to be (or can’t be) like them myself. Another good strategy might be to hide under the veil of mild conservatism – this might work in EE. I think the so called “cottagecore” trend (and similar “back to Nature” and White cocoons) could also work in our advantage, especially for women.

    I identify mostly as Serb, but I’m “half” Greek, with some Vlach/Aromanian ancestry too (spoke a few words as a kid). I’ve heard that if we go back in time, virtually all my family were Vlach

    You’re quite mixed then – also you didn’t really grow up in Serbia, I’m assuming. I like the Vlach nationality a lot – after all, this nation has produced a great son such as Codreanu himself.

    So you are pretty much an Intermarium person (more so than I thought even). It shows a bit (in a good way). 🙂

    Just tonight I was getting drunk with and singing old Serbian songs with a half-Croat, half-Macedonian girl

    That’s really awesome, I love that kind of a pastime, too, in moderation, of course (I just realized I know songs in something like 6 languages). Btw, there are some words in Serbo-Croat that are pronounced almost the same in my language. So they are closer to Serbian than to Russian. Maybe it’s some kind of a Lusatian connection (in pronunciation).

    I would prefer that company any day over getting drunk with a bunch of Serb nationalists and listening to their bullshit lol

    I understand what you mean, even though I’d prefer my own nationalists at the end of the day, even if not all the time, as that can get a bit stifling. I’m always the odd one out (in every group lol, but at least I can fit in for a while).

    Btw, I wanted to warn you – with these proliferating security crises in the world, I’ve been hearing it mentioned in some Ukrainian sources, that there are forces out there who might want to stir up the Balkans again. There is now Ukraine, the Middle-East and they want to add another hotbed to create more chaos so they can operate more freely and unencumbered within that chaos.

    Honestly, I don’t see how they could pull it off, since Balkans look quite peaceful now, not sure any underlying problems could be stirred up there, but I did hear this – it may be all empty talk and most likely nothing will happen, however, I’d suggest you to be cautious and careful against any provocations, let everyone you know over there treat each other with care and love and not succumb to any provocations. I wish only peace and prosperity.

  1007. @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    They're winning when compared to man child dwarf dictator Zelensky. You can be sure that a good number of Kiev regime officialdom sons and daughters have avoided serving. This is something typical the world over when it comes to elites. Did on screen tough guy John Wayne ever actually serve?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    This is something typical the world over when it comes to elites. Did on screen tough guy John Wayne ever actually serve?

    I fully support requiring that children of elites serve in frontline positions.

    It actually was once considered expected for British politicians to have served in some type of theater.

    There was a period where the British upper class took pride in having sons serve in combat. Those days are of course in the past as the Western upper class everywhere discourages their children from joining the military.

    Did on screen tough guy John Wayne ever actually serve?

    Nope. I never understood the reverence for him. He was never a cowboy or a soldier. John Wayne airport?

    Both Elvis and Charles Bronson served in the military. Bronson was actually a gunner on a B-29 and served his 25 missions in the Japanese theater.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @John Johnson

    Both Prince Harry and Prince Andrew have heard the sound of gunfire aimed at them. The Queen trained as a heavy vehicle mechanic to drive an ambulance around London during the bombing. Prince Philip was decorated for his actions during a naval battle.

    The British Army still has generals called Rupert (The Royalist cavalry commander during the Civil War). Sandhurst, the Army academy is called The Rupert Factory by Other Ranks. It is clear that the actual Upper Class do send their sons and daughters to war (as did the Tsars-the Grand Princesses went nursing). If they stop doing it, I'm joining the Roundheads.

    The merely rich without land or title are different. Victoria's argument against awarding t1he Rothschild of the day a peerage was that without land he was not comitted to the country or its defence. He eventually bought 4,000 acres with a stately home and she gave him a peerage. Until the Thatcher goverment most post war governments had former officers in senior roles.

    Wayne was a short guy who liked ballet.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  1008. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Actually, IIRC, some white women do appear to have a fetish for black men due to black men being hyper-masculine relative to white men (and some women prefer hyper-masculinity, after all). But white women in general still appear to significantly prefer to date white men over dating black men, unless one believes that there are simply too few black men for all of the ones who want a black lover to date.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Actually, IIRC, some white women do appear to have a fetish for black men due to black men being hyper-masculine relative to white men (and some women prefer hyper-masculinity, after all).

    I think it is some of that combined with a taboo factor.

    They know their parents would disapprove (even a lot of rainbow flag liberal parents) which creates a sexual temptation. The parents on paper “don’t believe in race” but in reality are worried about their daughter breeding with a less than ideal subject. Such families pride themselves on academics and bite their nails over what could occur. Is what it is and also applies to their fear of their White daughter marrying the White athlete who barely got through college. It’s honestly a sickness that such families seem to think all their grandchildren should be above average…at least. I don’t think it is healthy for Whites to have this expectation but that is another topic.

    I would even say that at some large public colleges it is somewhat normal for a middle-upper class White woman to date a Black or Hispanic while in college. Then they later marry Steve the engineer. Most are somewhat indoctrinated but I think there is an underestimation of how many of these White women don’t fully buy that race is a “social construct” but want to experiment in college or rebel for a period. Steve the engineer gets the girl eventually and also herpes.

    However the masculinity of Blacks in the real world is exaggerated and especially in the South. You see a lot more dark Blacks that were not cross bred with large Whites. Bantu on average are smaller than Whites. You may also notice personality differences but they of course don’t exist and are probably your imagination since race is a social construct.

    Hollywood will depict a Black basketball game where everyone is a buffed out tough guy. In reality you will see Blacks of all sizes playing basketball. Some of them can be really narrow with very sloped shoulders. You won’t see such Blacks in the movies unless they are comedians.

    The only accurate part in the Hollywood ghetto basketball games is that they are really good at basketball. The amount of time they put into basketball is mind blowing. Whites will take part in various activities and then play a game of basketball. Blacks will be at the court the entire day and into the night. I lived in a nice part of the city and they would come use our courts because the ghetto ones get destroyed. I had a designated parking space but my neighbors would get blocked out of their condos because so many Blacks would park up and down the streets. My neighbors were practically all liberal so I just laughed at them.

  1009. @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Now see the mammals on O. J. Simpson’s jury listened to a tape recording of his wife crying to the 911 operator while O. J. was wailing on her and they were not affected. Probably thought the bitch deserved it.
     
    You probably believe that she deserved it because she slept with a black. But the problem with that is that it's not just the White woman's responsibility here - her whole society made this historically possible by emancipating and then lionizing the black male and essentially worshipping his athleticism. Not to mention paying him a ton of money and making him a celebrity. Women just follow, it's a normal female instinct. What is not normal is that she lived in a multi-racial society and was exposed. She was not properly protected (not to mention that black men are more active and less hesitant in making moves).

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    You probably believe that she deserved it

    Probably not.

    Do you believe in free will?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    No, I agree, you're totally right - that's a big "no no".

  1010. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW


    You probably believe that she deserved it
     
    Probably not.

    Do you believe in free will?

    Replies: @LatW

    No, I agree, you’re totally right – that’s a big “no no”.

  1011. @ShortOnTime
    @Greasy William


    So you admit that you hate Jews.

    I have tried so hard to see what some people see in her. I’ve even tried turning my head sideways. I admit that she looks like she may have been somewhat cute when she was like 18 or 19, but I really do find her homely now.

     

    So anyone that says they might have sex with a Jewish woman "admits they hate Jews"?

    Doesn't it make more sense that anyone that truly hated Jews would steer clear of Jewish women since Jews define descent matrilineally? That is, any non-Jewish man that truly hated Jews wouldn't want to have sex with Jewish women since that would probably just create more Jews?

    But about Abigail Shapiro, there was one image where she looked decent with long hair, but a pass is obviously easier and probably what I would choose in real life, since it's easier to make a blasé observation about it from a distance instead of when confronted with such a scenario.


    It’s really not true. I’d admit it if it was. There are a lot of bad things you can say about Jews but Jews aren’t goy haters. A lot of us hate Ishmaelites but that’s as far as it goes.
     
    Muslims practice Taqqiyah along with Jihad, of course. Since the Jewish Talmud goes on about how goyim are animals and subhuman cattle, it's reasonable to wonder if Jews have also internalized Taqqiyah in a different way when conversing with goyim.

    Of course, you may personally even love goys, but broadly most Jews consider themselves undoubtedly racially superior to goys and act accordingly.

    This "anti-Semitism" and "Islamophobia" crap won't be able to fly for too long, especially the longer the fighting over Gaza goes on and if there is an escalation in the Middle East more generally.


    I do think Holocaust is the greatest crime in human history and I believe that Holocaust education is important, but the Boomer fixation on it has always felt irrelevant to me as a Millenial. I was raised Christian and when we had our big Holocaust learning in 7th grade I just remember thinking, “dude, I don’t care”. I agreed that it was awful but I didn’t get why I needed to hear so much about it and I certainly didn’t see what relevance it had to the Middle East. Even the Jewish kids in my class didn’t seem to particularly care, at least not until we saw the camp footage (which bothered me too), and even that they got over pretty quick (so did I).

     

    Perhaps we can obviously agree that the excessive focus and obsession upon the Holocaust prevalent in America and the mainstream West is extremely unhealthy.

    Still about the issue itself, it may be worth stating that the Holocaust does seem to be broadly real with a considerable weight of some historical evidence and in simple terms "it actually happened". However, it's also still being massively exaggerated and abused above all by Jews to induce moral guilt in goyim and exploit it for all sorts of nefarious agendas. Regarding the event, the empirical evidence seems to be that only anywhere from 1-4 million Jews actually died from it. Norman Finkelstein, David Irving and also Mahmoud Abbas seem to be the truly leading authorities on it. Norman explains well how various Jews exploited the Holocaust for personal grifting (was it Elie Wiesel or Simon Wiesenthal that was a complete fakes again?), Irving that the figures couldn't possibly have been 6 million but that around a few million is realistic, and iirc Mahmoud Abbas wrote a whole PhD work on the Holocaust and how Jews abused it both to create Israel and expand their global power along with videos of Mahmoud Abbas giving lectures about the history of the Holocaust and Jewish power in the first half of the 20th century. So in this sense there's obviously no point in "denying" the Holocaust in any mainstream context.

    Still, Mahmoud Abbas is actually one of the few figures I can sympathize with from the current Israel-Palestine conflict since he's simply a sad old man who's helplessly witnessed the decline of his nation and is trying to impart what little lessons and future he can to the next generation. It's worth appreciating Mahmoud Abbas especially as he's recently survived an assassination attempt, presumably by Hamas.


    Bibi is an idiot and I can’t believe that people can’t tell that Russia is redirecting it’s attention to Israel. Israel had some utility for Putin when he was trying to maintain detente with America. That’s over now and Putin sees Israel as the greatest weak point of the US imperium and Putin intends to go after it with all means available to him.

    Putin didn’t publicly meet with Hamas in Moscow only days after the slaughter because he has poor judgement. He wants to signal that he is the real leader of the anti Israel bloc and that he is the only hope Ishmael (and white leftists, I guess) have of annihilating Israel. China taking Israel off all of its maps, sending ships to the Mediterranean and starting an antisemitic campaign on Chinese social media also isn’t just a coincidence. The Russia/Iran/China bloc is clearly prepping for a showdown with the United States. I truly don’t understand how anyone can deny it.

    Considering it’s about to cause WWIII, I think it’s relevant to everyone.
     

    This take is too powerful for my taste. I think your analysis of world geopolitics and international relations is too eschatological and millenarian. Although someone like commenter Dmitry errs too much to the other extreme of a secular-materialist worldview. FWIW, I'll give my take as brief as possibly that unlike yours is more grounded in "rationality" and more likely to be accurately predictive of the future in certain respects.

    Israel is a nuclear armed state with one of the best militaries in the world in both equipment and battlefield performance. Some even count Israel as a great power. Israel got off to a good start with its Gaza invasion since it's already mostly encircled North Gaza. Still, the tunnels mean that ground control on the surface can be misleading. Considering Israel has almost every possible military advantage imaginable over Hamas in Gaza, it's hard to see Israel somehow coming undone. Israel devastating Gaza and annihilating most of Hamas with around 2 million Palestinian refugees going into the Sinai and some from there to the rest of the world (depends on international aid and other variables) looks almost like a fait accompli at this point. Although the longer the fighting in Gaza lasts, the greater the theoretical possibility of Israel coming undone.

    The only possible ways of Israel coming undone would most probably either be from some sort of internal political intrigue over your beloved Benjamin (the only 2 nuclear states that really failed since WW2 are Apartheid South Africa and the USSR because of complex internal changes) or Muslim countries actually do intervene and a massive Middle East war does come about from escalation, but the latter seems improbable for many reasons. So far, only Hezbollah has actually done anything substantial for Palestinians and Hamas in Gaza by making real but limited effort in skirmishing with Israel on the Lebanon border. Iran and its Axis of Resistance may strike instead at US military bases in Iraq and Syria to make a more serious effort to evict the USA from there (getting rid of or reducing the American "deterrence" against them acting against Israel would be a precondition to directly going against Israel). The amount of drone and rocket attacks on US bases in Iraq and Syria has significantly accelerated many times over. The rest of the "Arab-Muslim world" looks almost completely useless on Palestine as the recent OIC summit illustrated where iirc besides empty statements the UAE refused to even stop selling oil to Israel. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are also most unlikely to do anything meaningful against Israel.

    Honestly, the almost 1.6 billion biomass of Sunni Muslims is only good at targeting and chimping out at Christians. Then again, if it weren't significantly for Jews, Christians likely wouldn't be facing such a severe Muslim problem in the 21st century. Which is again why there's truly no love lost from Christians as against Jews and Muslims (leftist Islamophiles and Christian Zionist dimwits exempted). The "anti-Semitism" and "Islamophobia" garbage illustrates the preference of the Western elite for Jews and Muslims to be united together against Christians anyway, which they usually are and probably will be again once the conflagration over Gaza stops.

    As for Russia, it's hard to see a Russia that's preoccupied with Ukraine, and specifically capturing Avdeyevka in the present moment, going into any major adventurism in the Middle East anytime soon. It does look like the post-Prigozhin Wagner group has transferred some Pantsirs or other air defense systems to Hezbollah in Lebanon. So besides Russia repaying Iran and its Axis of Resistance with assorted weapons shipments for the favors Russia owes them over the latter's weapons shipments to Russia in the Ukraine War, it's hard to see Russia doing anything substantial beyond that over the current Gaza war.

    Btw, the upcoming meeting in San Francisco with Xi Jinping and the "Biden Administration" doesn't suggest that China's leadership intends to trigger WW3 over Palestine. Although the meeting will probably go badly since all of Antony Blinken's "diplomatic" encounters with China look like ugly spats so far, with the Chinese side doing its best to express themselves with some restraint and maintain civility as much as possible.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Greasy William

    So anyone that says they might have sex with a Jewish woman “admits they hate Jews”?

    It was a joke based on the previous thread where I cited the “Abigail Shapiro Test”. She’s average at best so the only way someone could be attracted to her is if they have some sort of kink for fucking the enemy’s women.

    But she did look okay when she was like 21. The vid of her doing the opera singing. She hit the wall hard and early, though.

    Regarding the event, the empirical evidence seems to be that only anywhere from 1-4 million Jews actually died from it.

    Eichmann told his Israeli interrogators that before he was captured, he thought the number was around 4 million, but that after seeing the statistics he was presented with while in Israeli prison, he agreed that the 6 million number was probably correct.

    Since the Jewish Talmud goes on about how goyim are animals and subhuman cattle, it’s reasonable to wonder if Jews have also internalized Taqqiyah in a different way when conversing with goyim.

    There are definitely people in Meah Shearim who do just that, but thinking that it applies to more than even a tiny sliver of the Jewish population is crazy.

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  1012. At 104 acres, the US embassy is the largest in the world; it is nearly as large as Vatican City. The embassy complex is about five times the size of the U.S. Embassy in Yerevan, which is the second-largest U.S. diplomatic mission abroad, as well as over ten times the size of the U.S. Embassy in Beijing, which is the third-largest U.S. diplomatic mission abroad.

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  1013. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    This is something typical the world over when it comes to elites. Did on screen tough guy John Wayne ever actually serve?

    I fully support requiring that children of elites serve in frontline positions.

    It actually was once considered expected for British politicians to have served in some type of theater.

    There was a period where the British upper class took pride in having sons serve in combat. Those days are of course in the past as the Western upper class everywhere discourages their children from joining the military.

    Did on screen tough guy John Wayne ever actually serve?

    Nope. I never understood the reverence for him. He was never a cowboy or a soldier. John Wayne airport?

    Both Elvis and Charles Bronson served in the military. Bronson was actually a gunner on a B-29 and served his 25 missions in the Japanese theater.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    Both Prince Harry and Prince Andrew have heard the sound of gunfire aimed at them. The Queen trained as a heavy vehicle mechanic to drive an ambulance around London during the bombing. Prince Philip was decorated for his actions during a naval battle.

    The British Army still has generals called Rupert (The Royalist cavalry commander during the Civil War). Sandhurst, the Army academy is called The Rupert Factory by Other Ranks. It is clear that the actual Upper Class do send their sons and daughters to war (as did the Tsars-the Grand Princesses went nursing). If they stop doing it, I’m joining the Roundheads.

    The merely rich without land or title are different. Victoria’s argument against awarding t1he Rothschild of the day a peerage was that without land he was not comitted to the country or its defence. He eventually bought 4,000 acres with a stately home and she gave him a peerage. Until the Thatcher goverment most post war governments had former officers in senior roles.

    Wayne was a short guy who liked ballet.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Philip Owen

    Both Prince Harry and Prince Andrew have heard the sound of gunfire aimed at them.

    Aware of that and I have very high respect for them.

    But that is not the norm. The children of both US and EU politicians do not normally go into the military let alone combat. They go to private colleges and get law degrees. That is the norm.

    It is clear that the actual Upper Class do send their sons and daughters to war (as did the Tsars-the Grand Princesses went nursing). If they stop doing it, I’m joining the Roundheads.

    There is still an upper class tradition with military service in the South but again it is not the norm. If you took all the reps in the House of Lords there is simply no way that the majority of their children have seen military service. Same for Congress or Senate.

    The British have even bigger problems as I support the theory that their national character was changed in WW1 by losing too many upper class warriors in the early battles. They lost too many strong men from the upper class and the general rabble was brought in after tactics were changed.

    I really don't think there is much hope for Britain. Good luck to them but they are destined to become New Jersey but with more Muslims.

  1014. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...it’s entirely possible that similar logic to that which is used to justify denying aid to Ukraine right now could have also been used to justify allowing Hitler to expand eastwards
     
    You have it upside down: it is Nato that is expanding eastwards, Ukies are willing allies, and Germany again plays central role.

    Slovakia paid the Nazis to accept its own deported Jews. That doesn’t sound like no agency to me.
     
    Ahh...but Germans insisted on the payment. The pretense was it was for the resettlement. I am not sure many believed it, but Germany put a lot of effort into creating the bogus story. When the word got back to Slovakia what was going on they halted it in 1942.

    The second German killing of Jews happened after the Slovak uprising in August 1944 - Germans invaded and killed a lot of people, remaining Jews, burnt about dozen villages. Most if the killing was done by the Galician Ukie SS division brought in to do the dirty work. We remember it very well, kids learn about in school, parading Bandera and Galician SS is very unpopular.

    After WW2 the perpetrators were punished - this time the commies insisted. Who tried to protect our Nazi collaborators were the Anglos, they helped many escape to Argentina and Canada. The Anglos oddly always ended up helping the Nazis. Why do you think that was?


    had the Nazis quickly won WWII, the Jews would have likely been deported somewhere en masse rather than mass murdered
     
    Are you suggesting that Russia should had lost the war? That it would be better that way? You are spinning a weird alternative history that is only concerned with what would happen to the Jews. How about us? Was it ok for the Nazis to rule over us and possibly exterminate us? They were too many of us to "resettle", so they probably would.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Are you suggesting that Russia should had lost the war? That it would be better that way? You are spinning a weird alternative history that is only concerned with what would happen to the Jews. How about us? Was it ok for the Nazis to rule over us and possibly exterminate us? They were too many of us to “resettle”, so they probably would.

    The most moral course of action would have likely been an Anglo-Franco-Soviet alliance against the Nazis back in 1939. Eastern Europe might still get Communism shoved down its throats for decades, but at a much smaller cost in lives relative to real life.

    That said, though, I’m unsure that Hitler would have resorted to mass murder (at least on anywhere near the scale of real life) had the West not militarily opposed his eastwards expansion plans. After all, in such a scenario, Hitler would still have an incentive to maintain semi-normal relations with the West. He’d still want the Jews gone, to acquire Lebensraum, et cetera, but his worst instincts might have been contained. IIRC, Goebbels said that the Holocaust would have been impossible in peacetime. So, had the West absolutely refused to ally with the Soviet Union against Nazi Germany, a second-best option might be not to offer any guarantees to Poland or to anyone else and instead tell them to make a deal with the Nazis on whatever terms possible and then watch as the Nazis and their allies would have likely attacked the Soviet Union in the East and possibly gotten a huge headache for themselves for decades or more to come (because Eastern Slavs would not have wanted to be ruled over by Nazis). The Anglo-French could have, of course, subsequently opened the doors of their empires wide open for immigration (including, but not only, Jewish immigration) from Eastern Europe in order to boost the European population of their empires.

  1015. @Philip Owen
    @John Johnson

    Both Prince Harry and Prince Andrew have heard the sound of gunfire aimed at them. The Queen trained as a heavy vehicle mechanic to drive an ambulance around London during the bombing. Prince Philip was decorated for his actions during a naval battle.

    The British Army still has generals called Rupert (The Royalist cavalry commander during the Civil War). Sandhurst, the Army academy is called The Rupert Factory by Other Ranks. It is clear that the actual Upper Class do send their sons and daughters to war (as did the Tsars-the Grand Princesses went nursing). If they stop doing it, I'm joining the Roundheads.

    The merely rich without land or title are different. Victoria's argument against awarding t1he Rothschild of the day a peerage was that without land he was not comitted to the country or its defence. He eventually bought 4,000 acres with a stately home and she gave him a peerage. Until the Thatcher goverment most post war governments had former officers in senior roles.

    Wayne was a short guy who liked ballet.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Both Prince Harry and Prince Andrew have heard the sound of gunfire aimed at them.

    Aware of that and I have very high respect for them.

    But that is not the norm. The children of both US and EU politicians do not normally go into the military let alone combat. They go to private colleges and get law degrees. That is the norm.

    It is clear that the actual Upper Class do send their sons and daughters to war (as did the Tsars-the Grand Princesses went nursing). If they stop doing it, I’m joining the Roundheads.

    There is still an upper class tradition with military service in the South but again it is not the norm. If you took all the reps in the House of Lords there is simply no way that the majority of their children have seen military service. Same for Congress or Senate.

    The British have even bigger problems as I support the theory that their national character was changed in WW1 by losing too many upper class warriors in the early battles. They lost too many strong men from the upper class and the general rabble was brought in after tactics were changed.

    I really don’t think there is much hope for Britain. Good luck to them but they are destined to become New Jersey but with more Muslims.

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