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自从达拉斯牛仔队的著名教练汤姆·兰德里（Tom Landry）决定了解潜在的选秀智商以来，包括雇主在内的各种雇主都使用了12分钟50问题的智商测试，这是奇妙的测试。
从 体育新闻:
Jordan Heck @jordanheckff美国东部时间上午9:02更新
联合收割机是NFL选秀过程中不可或缺的重要组成部分，除了位置训练和基本运动测试外，还要求准入者参加Wonderlic测试。 这些测试的分数本来应该保密，但是每年都有一些泄露。
今年，四分卫的大多数得分都由前NFL球探John Middlekauff公开。 他在最近的福克斯体育电台播客节目“科林·牛群牧群”中列出了得分。
这是他声称的分数：
2018年QB的奇妙分数
乔什·艾伦（Josh Allen）：37
乔什·罗森（Josh Rosen）：29
山姆·达诺德（Sam Darnold）：28
贝克·梅菲尔德（Baker Mayfield）：25
拉马尔·杰克逊（Lamar Jackson）：13
通常，分数21等于100智商，每增加一个问题就等于增加两个智商点。 因此，怀俄明州的QB乔什·艾伦（Josh Allen）的37等于100 +（（37-21）* 2）= 132。
有少量证据表明，某些球员的经纪人过去曾入侵过Wonderlic系统，例如，一名四分卫在第一次参加测试之间，从90智商提高到136智商。
有趣的是，俄克拉荷马州的梅菲尔德（Mayfield）在一项新的运动智商测试中在这五项研究中得分最高，两名研究人员正在推广这种方法以适应NFL足球运动员的需求。
早 会议 在新秀四分卫亚伦·罗杰斯和资深四分卫布雷特·法夫尔之间的2005绿湾训练营中：
“然后，你知道，罗杰斯，他只是个年轻，自大的孩子。 就像他们有一天在开会一样，罗杰斯说：“嘿布雷特，您的Wonderlic分数是多少？” 法弗尔说：“我不知道。” 罗杰斯（Rodgers）说，“哦，不，我愿意。 那是22岁，我有35岁。 他的东西进展不顺利。”
There’s another interesting model out there called QBASE: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/beating-nfl-drafting-qbs
Their model has your man Rosen as the best value and Mayfield as the best prospect: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/beating-nfl-drafting-qbs
What I find interesting is Jackson. His QBASE looks real good, but that Wonderlic is a huge red flag. I think I’d want to see his Raven’s results before drafting him in the first round.
I fear Josh Rosen is too skinny to avoid recurrent injury in the NFL, in the sense that breadth of his shoulders is notably less than, say, Ben Roethlisberger to name a huge man who is a possible Hall of Fame quarterback with a long career. Rosen's shoulders just aren't that broad, and there's not all that much you can do in the weight room about that.
Replies: @Anonymous, @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @Alec Leamas, @Jim Christian
从表面上看，作为衡量足球运动员的指标，AIQ 似乎比口头上的 Wonderlic 更明智。我想知道它们的预测能力实际上如何比较。
以下是样本组报告中有关 AIQ 的一些详细信息： http://athintel.weebly.com/services.html
样本个人报告包含有关确切子测试的更多详细信息，但它们以图形形式显示，因此不适合剪切和粘贴。
The Numinous Negro is last, and the half Jew is not first?
Obviously, the test is racist anti-Semitism.
我想知道 AIQ 和 Wonderlic 的预测能力如何。
以下是样本组报告中有关 AIQ 的一些详细信息： http://athintel.weebly.com/services.html
样本个人报告包含有关确切子测试的更多详细信息，但它们以图形形式显示，因此不适合剪切和粘贴。
OT – I just found out that Anthony Rizzo of the Chicago Cubs went to Stoneman Douglas HS.
The Chicago Sun-Times is constantly making a big deal of that fact.
The team that fell for the Wonderlic player’s re-test (JP Losman of Tulane) was my Buffalo Bills, who moved up to take Losman in the first round of the 2004 draft.
Losman was quite athletic, but, because it’s the Bills, was limited by second rate on field decision making.
http://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/24186/bills-gamble-on-j-p-losman-in-2004-backfired-badly
and the results…
https://nypost.com/2008/12/15/jaurons-bonehead-call-dooms-bills/
Note whom the OC blames later in the article.
As a DC throwback, you must have noticed the wild antics of the Redskins to draft RGIII. Wonder where HE came out on the totem pole of IQ? He's out now, finished. Kirk Cousins just signed with the Vikings for decent money after 5 years three or four, post RGIII. And so, where did HE stand coming out the same year as a fourth-rounder?
回复：@Hapalong Cassidy
Is this the same Josh Rosen who made an appearance on iSteve previously? (Not a sportsball follower, personally.)
1. No way this is legit. Rosen’s score should be astronomical for obvious reasons
2. IQ is meaningless. It is biased towards white males
3. Get educated by a compassionate intelligent gent man https://mobile.twitter.com/hankgreen
This is too transparent — not up to your usual standard.
Or people that hate Trump like Rosen are not as smart as they think are, that could be another explanation, we all know that's true of you, duck.
Their model has your man Rosen as the best value and Mayfield as the best prospect: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/beating-nfl-drafting-qbs
What I find interesting is Jackson. His QBASE looks real good, but that Wonderlic is a huge red flag. I think I'd want to see his Raven's results before drafting him in the first round.
回复：@Steve Sailer
I fear Josh Rosen is too skinny to avoid recurrent injury in the NFL, in the sense that breadth of his shoulders is notably less than, say, Ben Roethlisberger to name a huge man who is a possible Hall of Fame quarterback with a long career. Rosen’s shoulders just aren’t that broad, and there’s not all that much you can do in the weight room about that.
http://up.gc-img.net/post_img/2017/06/lV4tHHmj6sn39gx_L2SGX_12.jpeg
That has been a major problem for Sam Bradford. I saw him in person as a high school senior and he was a tall, skinny kid. I didn't believe he could ever bulk up enough to even play at the college level.
He did bulk up and was an outstanding college qb. But I believe his naturally slight frame has left him vulnerable to injuries throughout his career. It's sad because he is immensely talented and a genuinely good guy.
回复：@Steve Sailer
When he gets sacked now he doesn't seem to get tackled. The lineman and linebackers just seem to wrap him up and if he can't get the ball out during the contact the officials whistle the play dead for forward progress.
回复：@bartok
They have a picture out there of Brady at a draft weigh-in of some sort before the Pats drafted him in the 7th round, 2000? 1999? Anyway, he came out ok for all of his pathetic condition at the time, compared to the prototypes of the day. Some are born, but maybe the best are made.
2. IQ is meaningless. It is biased towards white males
3. Get educated by a compassionate intelligent gent man https://mobile.twitter.com/hankgreen
Replies: @Anthony Wayne, @Unladen Swallow
This is too transparent — not up to your usual standard.
我在这里有点困惑。我拥有一家小型工程公司。如果我要对潜在员工进行智商测试，我将不得不花费所有时间来赶走律师。也许事实并非如此。 NFL 对于此类雇佣前筛选有特殊豁免吗？
对潜在员工进行 Wonderlic 测试（或变体）并不违法。他们在晋升、学校、继续教育等之前对以前的员工进行 Wonderlic 测试（再次和变体）。他们必须知道您拥有处理新任务和教育的智力装备。我不认为这有什么种族主义，这样看是疯狂和具有破坏性的。蹩脚的教育体系和由此产生的产品已经让企业的处境变得很糟糕了。并非所有该死的事情都是种族主义的。
嗯，我想 NFL 有足够的资金来为自己辩护。此外，有人可能会争辩说 NFL 选秀的整个概念违反了反垄断法。
回复：@Jim Don Bob
公平的问题。我认为答案是俱乐部显然没有根据 Wonderlic 做出雇佣决定。
民权律师赛勒斯·梅里 (Cyrus Mehri) 出于常见原因一直在推动替代测试。 Wonderlic 无疑显示了标准的种族差距。
如今，美国国家橄榄球联盟 (NFL) 继续要求潜在的新秀参加 Wonderlic 测试，尽管现在已经有人进行这项测试了。 2013年，联盟推出了球员评估工具，该工具由律师赛勒斯·梅里（Cyrus Mehri）和心理学教授哈罗德·戈德斯坦（Harold Goldstein）开发，他的报告导致了NFL鲁尼规则的实施。 SB Nation 的 Louis Bien 最近报道称，PAT 是一项时长 50 分钟的考试，旨在检查球员的足球智慧、心理属性、学习风格和动机线索。 “与 Wonderlic 不同，玩家不会获得数字分数，因此从技术上讲，没有办法做得不好，”Bien 写道。
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-a-multiple-choice-test-became-a-fixture-of-the-nfl-draft/
来自另一个故事：
梅里说，PAT 之所以如此命名，是因为它应该在评估的最后阶段予以考虑，因为在达阵后会尝试加分，这是一项时长 60 分钟的基于计算机的测试。梅里表示，戈德斯坦为其他行业设计的类似测试中，PAT 最类似于为消防员开发的测试。
换句话说，它是不同影响行业的另一种产品。
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/02/17/nfl-combine-aptitude-test/1926409/
For the quarterbacks: I suggest a multiple choice test with the five boxes spread across 180 degrees of the field of view. Would be timed to the second, so that speed counts in addition to accuracy. Of course would require one of those virtual reality headsets.
Yeah, I’m just joking. Or maybe not?
The folks that built fighter-simulaters are marketing 3D simulators for QBs as we speak.
OT IS TRUMP WITHDRAWING SUPPORT FOR ISIS/AL-CIADA/AL-NUSRA/WHITE HELMETS/THE ARMED WING OF MSF/FSA/THE LAST BAKER?
tp://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/30/trump-freezing-syria-funds-in-signal-us-pullback-report-says.html
I Gautama tee that Lamar Jackson will be the best of the bunch and be a pro bowler
That is if the nfls insrituutial racism doesn’t kill him
I Gautama tee Lamar Jackson dsent know hw to bowl
spellcheck is a hell of a drug
"Gautama tee"?
(Sung to the tune of "Boola Boola":)
Buddha, Buddha, Buddha, Boo!
Buddha, Buddha, Buddha, Boo!
Is this some kind of code? Gautama tee is, what, like a shirt with a picture of the Buddha on it? And what is insrituutial racism? Finnish?
So it's like Lamar Jackson wearing a Buddha shirt while bowling in Helsinki? Is that what you are saying?
2. IQ is meaningless. It is biased towards white males
3. Get educated by a compassionate intelligent gent man https://mobile.twitter.com/hankgreen
Replies: @Anthony Wayne, @Unladen Swallow
Or people that hate Trump like Rosen are not as smart as they think are, that could be another explanation, we all know that’s true of you, duck.
That is if the nfls insrituutial racism doesn't kill him
Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat, @J.Ross, @Gary in Gramercy, @Giant Duck
I Gautama tee Lamar Jackson dsent know hw to bowl
That is if the nfls insrituutial racism doesn't kill him
Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat, @J.Ross, @Gary in Gramercy, @Giant Duck
spellcheck is a hell of a drug
那么拉马尔·杰克逊 (Lamar Jackson) 的智商约为 84——这种转换对负数有效吗？
The AIQ has a long, long way to go. Validating a new psychometric instrument is a along and hard process. There are just not enough athletes who will ever take this thing to reach any solid conclusions. And it’s a commercial project that no real, disinterested researchers are going to bother with.
Finally, the idea that there are components of IQ that are more relevant to sports doesn’t seem valid. The fundamental misconception of IQ is that it is limited to narrow areas, but in the big fat middle of the IQ spectrum, IQ, and all the components, verbal, match, spatial, and so on, all measure the same thing, the underlying g，这或多或少是你的大脑在完成任何任务时的工作效率。
Cleveland Browns quarterback Frank Ryan, who earned a Math Ph.D. from Rice, won an NFL championship in the pre Super Bowl 1960s. He wasn't known as being a particularly smart on-field decisionmaker, but he was known for being very brave, not releasing the ball until the perfect moment, no matter how badly he got flattened by an onrushing defender.
Replies: @anonymous, @David In TN
I fear Josh Rosen is too skinny to avoid recurrent injury in the NFL, in the sense that breadth of his shoulders is notably less than, say, Ben Roethlisberger to name a huge man who is a possible Hall of Fame quarterback with a long career. Rosen's shoulders just aren't that broad, and there's not all that much you can do in the weight room about that.
Replies: @Anonymous, @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @Alec Leamas, @Jim Christian
There are other remediations for that condition.
That is if the nfls insrituutial racism doesn't kill him
Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat, @J.Ross, @Gary in Gramercy, @Giant Duck
“Gautama tee”?
(Sung to the tune of “Boola Boola”:)
Buddha, Buddha, Buddha, Boo!
Buddha, Buddha, Buddha, Boo!
AIQ还有很长的路要走。验证新的心理测量工具是一个漫长而艰难的过程。没有足够多的运动员能够通过这件事得出任何可靠的结论。这是一个商业项目，没有真正的、公正的研究人员会去打扰。
最后，关于智商的某些组成部分与运动更相关的想法似乎并不成立。对智商的根本误解是，它仅限于狭窄的区域，但在智商谱的中间，智商以及所有的组成部分，语言、匹配、空间等等，都测量相同的东西，即潜在的东西。 g，这或多或少是你的大脑在完成任何任务时的工作效率。
回复：@Steve Sailer、@CAL2
Cleveland Browns quarterback Frank Ryan, who earned a Math Ph.D. from Rice, won an NFL championship in the pre Super Bowl 1960s. He wasn’t known as being a particularly smart on-field decisionmaker, but he was known for being very brave, not releasing the ball until the perfect moment, no matter how badly he got flattened by an onrushing defender.
I think Ryan taught at Yale. 1964 was one of the rare off-years for Lombardi's Packers. The Baltimore Colts won the Western Division of the pre-merger NFL. The Colts and the great Unitas proceeded to get ambushed and thoroughly thrashed by Ryan's Browns in the championship game even though the Browns were underdogs. The next year the Ryan's Browns got whipped by Lombardi's Packers in what would be Jim Brown's final game as a pro--which speaks to how great those Packer teams were in those days. Ryan and Bart Starr were similar in style. If Ryan had been Lombardi's qb instead of Starr, Ryan would've gone to Canton
One of the greatest lines of all time was penned by the late Red Smith of the NY Times who once wrote that the Browns offense consisted of one guy who understood Einstein's theory of relativity and ten who didn't know there even was one!
回复：@Hibernian
That was the description of Frank Ryan Browns DB Bernie Parrish gave in his book. I remember Ryan hitting Gary Collins with TD passes on a crossing pattern. They connected for three TDs in the Browns 27-0 victory over the Colts in the 1964 NFL Championship game.
The Browns blowout win in retrospect may be a bigger surprise than Super Bowl III.
回复：@ScarletNumber、@anonymous
I fear Josh Rosen is too skinny to avoid recurrent injury in the NFL, in the sense that breadth of his shoulders is notably less than, say, Ben Roethlisberger to name a huge man who is a possible Hall of Fame quarterback with a long career. Rosen's shoulders just aren't that broad, and there's not all that much you can do in the weight room about that.
Replies: @Anonymous, @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @Alec Leamas, @Jim Christian
That has been a major problem for Sam Bradford. I saw him in person as a high school senior and he was a tall, skinny kid. I didn’t believe he could ever bulk up enough to even play at the college level.
He did bulk up and was an outstanding college qb. But I believe his naturally slight frame has left him vulnerable to injuries throughout his career. It’s sad because he is immensely talented and a genuinely good guy.
Bradford, a Heisman winner at the U. of Oklahoma, is an interesting data point in the Elizabeth Warren discussion. He actually looks kind of American Indian. He says he's only 1/16th Cherokee.
It's quite possible Warren is a tiny amount Indian but doesn't look it.
Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @Jake
That has been a major problem for Sam Bradford. I saw him in person as a high school senior and he was a tall, skinny kid. I didn't believe he could ever bulk up enough to even play at the college level.
He did bulk up and was an outstanding college qb. But I believe his naturally slight frame has left him vulnerable to injuries throughout his career. It's sad because he is immensely talented and a genuinely good guy.
回复：@Steve Sailer
Bradford, a Heisman winner at the U. of Oklahoma, is an interesting data point in the Elizabeth Warren discussion. He actually looks kind of American Indian. He says he’s only 1/16th Cherokee.
It’s quite possible Warren is a tiny amount Indian but doesn’t look it.
The first time I saw Bradford I thought for sure he was close to 100% Native American. In fact I thought he bore a strong resemblance to the popular full-blooded Cherokee actor Wes Studi (who can currently be seen in “Hostiles”). So I was a bit shocked to learn that he was only 1/16th. I’m guessing that’s only the part that can be definitely traced. I’m sure that being from Oklahoma, there are probably other branches in his family tree that have a fair amount of native blood.
回复：@Mis（ter）Anthrope
A lot of Oklahoman do have at least a small portion of native blood. I doubt Warren is one of them. The Cherokees are one of the most liberal tribes in allowing people to enroll with very little Cherokee blood.
And contrary to what Warren says, there is no social stigma to being part native in Oklahoma. Even hard core rednecks will willingly claim it with no shame.
Plus, a simple DNA test could prove her claim. I'm sure she has taken the test in hopes of disproving her critics.
Whites from the South - meaning long lineage from the South - having Indian blood is usually quite a different than whites from other parts of the US having Indian blood. The reason is that Indian traders in the South, going back to the mid-117th century, routinely took Indian wives and fathered children. That was true even of Indian traders who already were married. Many of the subsequent, say 19th century, marriages between whites and Indians in the South were whites marrying quarter or half or even three quarters white members of a tribe.
And some of those mostly white products of inter-marriage remained in the tribes. Cherokee chief John Ross had red hair and blue eyes; he could have passed among his Highland distant kin as pure Scottish. Creek chief Alexander McGillivray had hair that bleached blonde in the summer sun, and his eyes were variously described as green, gray, and even blue.
It is possible that Elizabeth Warren is a tiny bit Indian and does not look it.
Of course, the odds are greater that she has at least 1 Confederate soldier ancestor, which knowledge could drive her toward suicide. What is possible is that she had a Cherokee ancestor who fought under Cherokee Confederate General Stand Watie and who owned black slaves.
Intelligence researcher talking in the article linked to from the 体育新闻 article about the Wonderlic:
How about their MCATs?
Like not being black?
Smart move, picking two white examples, rather than a white and black example.
"Smart move, picking two white examples, rather than a white and black example."
He didn't say "the next Aaron Rodgers rather than the next Vince Young," did he?
“Cleveland Browns quarterback Frank Ryan, who earned a Math Ph.D. from Rice, won an NFL championship in the pre Super Bowl 1960s. He wasn’t known as being a particularly smart on-field decisionmaker, but he was known for being very brave, not releasing the ball until the perfect moment, no matter how badly he got flattened by an onrushing defender.”
呃，如果还活着的话，想知道他的脑子现在怎么样了。
"Eh, if still living, wonder what his brain is like now."
维基百科有一个关于他的页面。 78岁了，他的大脑看起来还不错。
回复：@ScarletNumber
He’s now 81 and retired, but his football career does not seem to have affected his brain. He really does appear to be possibly the smartest guy ever to play pro football. A quick excerpt from his Wikipedia entry, under the heading of Post-NFL Career:
回复：@Danindc
As of two years ago, he was fine. He introduced himself to me at the post office as a stock market analyst (not his exact words), and ask for some excel help. I only learned through my boss, a Redskins fan, that he once played football. He printed his name and number on a shred of paper that is still floating around on my desk if anyone wants it.
向体育统计专家提出的问题。有没有关于 Wonderlick 预测 NFL 职业生涯表现的研究？我们知道智商可以预测很多工作的成功，所以看看这是否适用于职业运动员会很有趣。
伟大的四分卫有很高的Wunderlich。但也有一些例外（主要是马里诺）。这绝对比他们的40岁更重要。
杰克逊不会在 NFL 中担任四分卫。与 RG3 非常相似，RG13 在个人和职业上都是灾难。 XNUMX分几乎保证他无法读懂防守。
The sole “Person of Color” is dead last. No surprises there. Guess who’s probably first in the 40 though.
Cleveland Browns quarterback Frank Ryan, who earned a Math Ph.D. from Rice, won an NFL championship in the pre Super Bowl 1960s. He wasn't known as being a particularly smart on-field decisionmaker, but he was known for being very brave, not releasing the ball until the perfect moment, no matter how badly he got flattened by an onrushing defender.
Replies: @anonymous, @David In TN
I think Ryan taught at Yale. 1964 was one of the rare off-years for Lombardi’s Packers. The Baltimore Colts won the Western Division of the pre-merger NFL. The Colts and the great Unitas proceeded to get ambushed and thoroughly thrashed by Ryan’s Browns in the championship game even though the Browns were underdogs. The next year the Ryan’s Browns got whipped by Lombardi’s Packers in what would be Jim Brown’s final game as a pro–which speaks to how great those Packer teams were in those days. Ryan and Bart Starr were similar in style. If Ryan had been Lombardi’s qb instead of Starr, Ryan would’ve gone to Canton
One of the greatest lines of all time was penned by the late Red Smith of the NY Times who once wrote that the Browns offense consisted of one guy who understood Einstein’s theory of relativity and ten who didn’t know there even was one!
"1964 was one of the rare off-years for Lombardi’s Packers. "
'64 was the year Paul Hornung returned from his one year gambling suspension.
回复：@anonymous
Bradford, a Heisman winner at the U. of Oklahoma, is an interesting data point in the Elizabeth Warren discussion. He actually looks kind of American Indian. He says he's only 1/16th Cherokee.
It's quite possible Warren is a tiny amount Indian but doesn't look it.
Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @Jake
The first time I saw Bradford I thought for sure he was close to 100% Native American. In fact I thought he bore a strong resemblance to the popular full-blooded Cherokee actor Wes Studi (who can currently be seen in “Hostiles”). So I was a bit shocked to learn that he was only 1/16th. I’m guessing that’s only the part that can be definitely traced. I’m sure that being from Oklahoma, there are probably other branches in his family tree that have a fair amount of native blood.
I am from Oklahoma and I would guess that you are correct.
I fear Josh Rosen is too skinny to avoid recurrent injury in the NFL, in the sense that breadth of his shoulders is notably less than, say, Ben Roethlisberger to name a huge man who is a possible Hall of Fame quarterback with a long career. Rosen's shoulders just aren't that broad, and there's not all that much you can do in the weight room about that.
Replies: @Anonymous, @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @Alec Leamas, @Jim Christian
They still commonly list him at 235 lbs, even though it is evident that he’s probably around 300 lbs. Analysts did a side-by-side of Roethlisberger and Carson Wentz, projecting the younger QB against the veteran, and showing how they were identical in (listed) height and weight. It’s comical to pretend that Ben is 235, particularly in comparison to Wentz at 235.
When he gets sacked now he doesn’t seem to get tackled. The lineman and linebackers just seem to wrap him up and if he can’t get the ball out during the contact the officials whistle the play dead for forward progress.
isn't muscle heavier than fat - Carson vs Ben
回复：@Alec Leamas
The first time I saw Bradford I thought for sure he was close to 100% Native American. In fact I thought he bore a strong resemblance to the popular full-blooded Cherokee actor Wes Studi (who can currently be seen in “Hostiles”). So I was a bit shocked to learn that he was only 1/16th. I’m guessing that’s only the part that can be definitely traced. I’m sure that being from Oklahoma, there are probably other branches in his family tree that have a fair amount of native blood.
回复：@Mis（ter）Anthrope
I am from Oklahoma and I would guess that you are correct.
Bradford, a Heisman winner at the U. of Oklahoma, is an interesting data point in the Elizabeth Warren discussion. He actually looks kind of American Indian. He says he's only 1/16th Cherokee.
It's quite possible Warren is a tiny amount Indian but doesn't look it.
Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @Jake
A lot of Oklahoman do have at least a small portion of native blood. I doubt Warren is one of them. The Cherokees are one of the most liberal tribes in allowing people to enroll with very little Cherokee blood.
And contrary to what Warren says, there is no social stigma to being part native in Oklahoma. Even hard core rednecks will willingly claim it with no shame.
Plus, a simple DNA test could prove her claim. I’m sure she has taken the test in hopes of disproving her critics.
Losman was quite athletic, but, because it's the Bills, was limited by second rate on field decision making.
http://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/24186/bills-gamble-on-j-p-losman-in-2004-backfired-badly
and the results...
https://nypost.com/2008/12/15/jaurons-bonehead-call-dooms-bills/
Note whom the OC blames later in the article.
回复：@Jim Christian
As a DC throwback, you must have noticed the wild antics of the Redskins to draft RGIII. Wonder where HE came out on the totem pole of IQ? He’s out now, finished. Kirk Cousins just signed with the Vikings for decent money after 5 years three or four, post RGIII. And so, where did HE stand coming out the same year as a fourth-rounder?
我记得格里芬是贝勒大学的一名杰出学生。商业管理专业毕业，GPA 接近 4 比 3。从他的谈话中我还感觉到，他是那种可能会因为“表现白人”而被其他黑人回避的黑人。他还娶了他的大学恋人——一位迷人的金发女郎。
回复：@penskefile、@DCThrowback
I fear Josh Rosen is too skinny to avoid recurrent injury in the NFL, in the sense that breadth of his shoulders is notably less than, say, Ben Roethlisberger to name a huge man who is a possible Hall of Fame quarterback with a long career. Rosen's shoulders just aren't that broad, and there's not all that much you can do in the weight room about that.
Replies: @Anonymous, @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @Alec Leamas, @Jim Christian
They have a picture out there of Brady at a draft weigh-in of some sort before the Pats drafted him in the 7th round, 2000? 1999? Anyway, he came out ok for all of his pathetic condition at the time, compared to the prototypes of the day. Some are born, but maybe the best are made.
Replies: @Jim Christian, @ScarletNumber, @keypusher
Nothing illegal in administering the Wonderlic test (or variants) to potential hires. They administer the Wonderlic test (again, and variants) to previous hires before promotions, schools, continuing education and the like. The have to know you pack the intellectual gear to handle new assignments and education. I don’t see anything racist about that, it’s insane and destructive to look at it that way. Business has it bad enough with the crappy education systems and the product that results. Not every-damned-thing is racist.
Yeah, I'm just joking. Or maybe not?
回复：@Jim Christian
The folks that built fighter-simulaters are marketing 3D simulators for QBs as we speak.
AIQ还有很长的路要走。验证新的心理测量工具是一个漫长而艰难的过程。没有足够多的运动员能够通过这件事得出任何可靠的结论。这是一个商业项目，没有真正的、公正的研究人员会去打扰。
最后，关于智商的某些组成部分与运动更相关的想法似乎并不成立。对智商的根本误解是，它仅限于狭窄的区域，但在智商谱的中间，智商以及所有的组成部分，语言、匹配、空间等等，都测量相同的东西，即潜在的东西。 g，这或多或少是你的大脑在完成任何任务时的工作效率。
回复：@Steve Sailer、@CAL2
我对此一无所知。很多聪明人不一定能快速做出决策或具有良好的空间能力。
他们是在对抗 HS QB 吗？我认为他们可以在他们身上使用它，获得更广泛的样本，并验证他们的模型。
在今天的 NFL 中，他们会把他放在四分卫位置上，因为如果他们不这样做，体育媒体就会每天播放 NFL 如何不尊重黑人四分卫的节目。
Bradford, a Heisman winner at the U. of Oklahoma, is an interesting data point in the Elizabeth Warren discussion. He actually looks kind of American Indian. He says he's only 1/16th Cherokee.
It's quite possible Warren is a tiny amount Indian but doesn't look it.
Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @Jake
Whites from the South – meaning long lineage from the South – having Indian blood is usually quite a different than whites from other parts of the US having Indian blood. The reason is that Indian traders in the South, going back to the mid-117th century, routinely took Indian wives and fathered children. That was true even of Indian traders who already were married. Many of the subsequent, say 19th century, marriages between whites and Indians in the South were whites marrying quarter or half or even three quarters white members of a tribe.
And some of those mostly white products of inter-marriage remained in the tribes. Cherokee chief John Ross had red hair and blue eyes; he could have passed among his Highland distant kin as pure Scottish. Creek chief Alexander McGillivray had hair that bleached blonde in the summer sun, and his eyes were variously described as green, gray, and even blue.
It is possible that Elizabeth Warren is a tiny bit Indian and does not look it.
Of course, the odds are greater that she has at least 1 Confederate soldier ancestor, which knowledge could drive her toward suicide. What is possible is that she had a Cherokee ancestor who fought under Cherokee Confederate General Stand Watie and who owned black slaves.
呃，如果还活着的话，想知道他的脑子现在怎么样了。
回复：@Mark Roulo、@CJ、@David
“呃，如果还活着的话，想知道他的脑子现在怎么样了。”
维基百科有一个关于他的页面。 78岁了，他的大脑看起来还不错。
正如 CJ 所指出的，弗兰克已经 81 岁了。
Wonderlic 是一项极其注重速度的测试。 人们不应该完成测试。 在这方面，它就像旧的 ASVAB 计算部分。 很少有人有这种测试的经验。 我可以相信，一个对这种类型的测试完全天真的人在第二次管理中相对于他们的第一次可以取得更好的成绩。 Wonderlic 奖励的是快速决定要解决哪些问题的能力——识别低垂的果实——快速丢弃你可以解决但花费的时间比它们对你的分数的贡献所证明的时间更长的问题的能力——也就是说，良好的沉没成本处理能力以及在测试期间保持完全专注和“参与游戏”的能力。
“Wonderlic 奖励的是快速决定要解决哪些问题的能力——识别低垂的果实——快速抛弃你可以解决但花费的时间比它们对你的分数的贡献所证明的时间更长的问题的能力——即是，良好的沉没成本处理能力以及在测试期间保持全神贯注和“参与游戏”的能力。”
这听起来与成为四分卫并没有那么无关紧要。 亚伦罗杰斯（35 Wonderlic）似乎比 Brett Favre（22 Wonderlic）更擅长决定哪些投球是可以解决的，从目前绿湾四分卫惊人的低拦截率来看。
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2016/10/26/aaron-rodgers-once-taunted-brett-favre-about-his-wonderlic-score/
“然后，你知道，罗杰斯，他只是一个年轻、自大的孩子。就像有一天他们在开会，罗杰斯说，‘嘿布雷特，你的 Wonderlic 得分是多少？’ Favre 说，“我不知道。” 罗杰斯说，“哦，不，我知道。那是 22。我得到了 35。” 他的事情进展不顺利。”
回复：@Bill P、@ScarletNumber、@DCThrowback、@Charles Pewitt
That is if the nfls insrituutial racism doesn't kill him
Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat, @J.Ross, @Gary in Gramercy, @Giant Duck
Is this some kind of code? Gautama tee is, what, like a shirt with a picture of the Buddha on it? And what is insrituutial racism? Finnish?
So it’s like Lamar Jackson wearing a Buddha shirt while bowling in Helsinki? Is that what you are saying?
You know what they say–life is an IQ test. So if you haven’t figured out how to I test employees…
Here’s a few ways: Some elite consulting firms require SAT scores.
Some elite financial firms give hard math tests.
You could both ask for SAT scores and give either tricky math-ish problems or, if that seems too fancy for your candidates, give reasonable engineering problems they should know how to solve–but have them do it without a calculator and time them.
Goy, you didn’t really think the true elite abided by the IQ testing ban, did you? Harvard has GREs, Google has coding puzzles, McKinsey has SAT scores from elite college graduates only, Law firms have 1l grades, doctors have the USMLE, DE Shaw requires proof of raw intellectual horsepower before you walk in the door and they still test you…
呃，如果还活着的话，想知道他的脑子现在怎么样了。
回复：@Mark Roulo、@CJ、@David
He’s now 81 and retired, but his football career does not seem to have affected his brain. He really does appear to be possibly the smartest guy ever to play pro football. A quick excerpt from his Wikipedia entry, under the heading of Post-NFL Career:
A lot of the concussion drama is guys trying to cash in on a lawsuit.
When he gets sacked now he doesn't seem to get tackled. The lineman and linebackers just seem to wrap him up and if he can't get the ball out during the contact the officials whistle the play dead for forward progress.
回复：@bartok
isn’t muscle heavier than fat – Carson vs Ben
Muscle is more dense but there's no way Ben is 235 at 6'5" now.
回复：@Steve Sailer
“What the Wonderlic rewards is the ability to quickly make decisions about which problems to solve—the identification of low hanging fruit—the ability to quickly dump problems that you could solve but would take longer than is justified by their contribution to your score —that is, good sunk cost processing and the ability to stay totally focused and ‘in the game’ during the test.”
That doesn’t sound all that irrelevant to being a quarterback. Aaron Rodgers (35 Wonderlic)appears better at deciding what throws are solvable than Brett Favre (22 Wonderlic) was, judging by the current Green Bay quarterback’s phenomenally low interception rate.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2016/10/26/aaron-rodgers-once-taunted-brett-favre-about-his-wonderlic-score/
““And then, you know, Rodgers, he was just a young, cocky kid. Like they’re at a meeting one day and Rodgers says, ‘Hey Brett, what was your Wonderlic score?’ And Favre goes, ‘I don’t know.’ And Rodgers goes, ‘Oh no, I do. It was a 22. I got a 35.’ His stuff didn’t go over well.””
我打赌 俄罗斯方块 or some other version of polyominoes would be a pretty good test of that skill. Seriously. Someone ought to try it and see if it correlates with pass completion rates.
In Brett's defense, asking someone an embarrassing personal question you already know the answer to makes you a dick. Then again, Aaron has a poor reputation in that area, generally speaking.
Favre was too classy to mention the all the blind items that imply Rodgers employs beards to cover for his homosexuality.
“When the savages of Louisiana are desirous of fruit, they cut the tree to the root and gather the fruit. This is an emblem of despotic government.”
Time management? Present or future? Should I wait till he clears the linebacker to throw or chuck it and hope for the best? We'll need fruit in a year or so I bet, so let's not cut down the tree?
我想知道 Joe Montana 的得分是多少？
他总是让我觉得他是场上最聪明的球员。 也是斯坦福大学的毕业生。
当然，他的表现很好。
蒙大拿毕业于圣母大学。 他在大三的时候就和他们一起赢得了全国冠军。 我记得第二年在 1979 年的棉花碗比赛中看过他，他在对阵休斯顿的比赛中大逆转。
Joe Montana 在圣母大学打大学舞会，而不是斯坦福大学。
很有趣，在采访中他似乎表现得像个白痴。
呃，如果还活着的话，想知道他的脑子现在怎么样了。
回复：@Mark Roulo、@CJ、@David
As of two years ago, he was fine. He introduced himself to me at the post office as a stock market analyst (not his exact words), and ask for some excel help. I only learned through my boss, a Redskins fan, that he once played football. He printed his name and number on a shred of paper that is still floating around on my desk if anyone wants it.
“Wonderlic 奖励的是快速决定要解决哪些问题的能力——识别低垂的果实——快速抛弃你可以解决但花费的时间比它们对你的分数的贡献所证明的时间更长的问题的能力——即是，良好的沉没成本处理能力以及在测试期间保持全神贯注和“参与游戏”的能力。”
这听起来与成为四分卫并没有那么无关紧要。 亚伦罗杰斯（35 Wonderlic）似乎比 Brett Favre（22 Wonderlic）更擅长决定哪些投球是可以解决的，从目前绿湾四分卫惊人的低拦截率来看。
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2016/10/26/aaron-rodgers-once-taunted-brett-favre-about-his-wonderlic-score/
“然后，你知道，罗杰斯，他只是一个年轻、自大的孩子。就像有一天他们在开会，罗杰斯说，‘嘿布雷特，你的 Wonderlic 得分是多少？’ Favre 说，“我不知道。” 罗杰斯说，“哦，不，我知道。那是 22。我得到了 35。” 他的事情进展不顺利。”
回复：@Bill P、@ScarletNumber、@DCThrowback、@Charles Pewitt
我打赌 俄罗斯方块 or some other version of polyominoes would be a pretty good test of that skill. Seriously. Someone ought to try it and see if it correlates with pass completion rates.
帝国：
“I think the most important point in the article, that could’ve been emphasized a bit more, is that differences in individuals are far greater than that of populations.
When those who use the stats of the average I.Q. justify that for racist ideologies, they seem to fail to recognize the fact that there is massive variance from the average of all races.”
水手：
“That’s why those racist ideologues Herrnstein and Murray never mention the existence of bell curves in The Bell Curve … ”
(Kief:
哈哈。）
As a DC throwback, you must have noticed the wild antics of the Redskins to draft RGIII. Wonder where HE came out on the totem pole of IQ? He's out now, finished. Kirk Cousins just signed with the Vikings for decent money after 5 years three or four, post RGIII. And so, where did HE stand coming out the same year as a fourth-rounder?
回复：@Hapalong Cassidy
我记得格里芬是贝勒大学的一名杰出学生。商业管理专业毕业，GPA 接近 4 比 3。从他的谈话中我还感觉到，他是那种可能会因为“表现白人”而被其他黑人回避的黑人。他还娶了他的大学恋人——一位迷人的金发女郎。
Like someone said about Bradford, Griffin is a genuinely good guy by all indications. He was raised in a household by two parents who were both career Army NCO's. Hard not to be a solid citizen with that upbringing.
I'm an alum/fan of another B12 school, so I hated to see Baylor's rise with Griffin, but he was an amazing college QB. In hindsight though, equal credit has to be given to his HC Briles, who achieved similar results later with much less talented QB's.
Griffin had multiple injuries in college, so his frailty was already known before he reached the NFL and the elder Shanahan didn't do him any favors with the offense they installed. Just another example of how different the NFL game is than the NCAA and why it so critical to keep your QB healthy
They later divorced, as he ended up straying. The pull of the "p" was just too strong!
To the original question, the "failure" of RG3 has many fathers, the most certainly being his contract with Adidas and his own ego at trying to come back from an ACL tear in less than a year and not being 100%. His rookie year was one of the best in NFL history. 25TD passes, 2 INTs!
But Mike Shanahan and the turf at Fedex Field also deserve some of the blame, too.
回复：@Jim Christian
我记得格里芬是贝勒大学的一名杰出学生。商业管理专业毕业，GPA 接近 4 比 3。从他的谈话中我还感觉到，他是那种可能会因为“表现白人”而被其他黑人回避的黑人。他还娶了他的大学恋人——一位迷人的金发女郎。
回复：@penskefile、@DCThrowback
就像有人评价布拉德福德一样，从各方面来看，格里芬都是一个真正的好人。他由两个父母抚养长大，他们都是职业陆军士官。受过这样的教育，很难不成为一个踏实的公民。
我是另一所 B12 学校的校友/粉丝，所以我讨厌看到贝勒与格里芬一起崛起，但他是一名出色的大学 QB。但事后看来，同样值得赞扬的是他的 HC Briles，他后来在才华横溢的四分卫的帮助下取得了类似的成绩。
格里芬在大学期间受过多次伤病，所以在他进入美国国家橄榄球联盟之前，他的脆弱就已经众所周知，而老沙纳汉并没有给他带来任何帮助。这只是另一个例子，说明 NFL 比赛与 NCAA 有何不同，以及为什么保持 QB 健康如此重要
他总是让我觉得他是场上最聪明的球员。 也是斯坦福大学的毕业生。
当然，他的表现很好。
Replies: @Wj, @David In TN, @Truth
蒙大拿毕业于圣母大学。 他在大三的时候就和他们一起赢得了全国冠军。 我记得第二年在 1979 年的棉花碗比赛中看过他，他在对阵休斯顿的比赛中大逆转。
我记得格里芬是贝勒大学的一名杰出学生。商业管理专业毕业，GPA 接近 4 比 3。从他的谈话中我还感觉到，他是那种可能会因为“表现白人”而被其他黑人回避的黑人。他还娶了他的大学恋人——一位迷人的金发女郎。
回复：@penskefile、@DCThrowback
They later divorced, as he ended up straying. The pull of the “p” was just too strong!
To the original question, the “failure” of RG3 has many fathers, the most certainly being his contract with Adidas and his own ego at trying to come back from an ACL tear in less than a year and not being 100%. His rookie year was one of the best in NFL history. 25TD passes, 2 INTs!
But Mike Shanahan and the turf at Fedex Field also deserve some of the blame, too.
Amazing how QUIET that was. RGIII wound up in Cleveland, NFL QB graveyard. I think he was there a year. Immediately he divorced his wife back in DC, moved to Cleveland, met a 19 YO blonde that he so fell in love with he tattooed her name on his arm. Can't remember her race. They were hot shits out there for a bit. Meh, it's an old story. They can't turn down the pooze. Each is sweeter than the last and they never say no. I couldn't resist, but I wouldn't be marrying at that age, heh...
Not sure how ancient you guys are, but RFK stadium and now Fed Ex Field in Landover, they were always a soft kind of ground, the entire DC affair is built on a swamp, almost floating, which accounts for the fierce humidity. They never had decent footing, both were 'mudders' fields where a guy like Riggins made bad days for the linebackers. RG3 needed to learn, quickly, the sort of ball control, dink-and-dunk pocket schemes that keep you upright and healthy. But he didn't have it to move around a little, find a guy fast and dump it. Every now and then, the long ball, which he threw beautifully. Great arm. But he relied on the legs, took off running too fast and after a few games, he was nicked and not such a surprise to anyone.
Shanny and his son, who knew a thing or two about QBs knew Cousins was the real deal, likely in the mold of a Brady, but no one is Brady of course. RGIII was a "foist" because owner Snyder wanted a Black QB. We'll see, Brady turned into quite a mind. You need a fast computer in your head: Brady, Brees and Rodgers have it, Ben has it, Rivers has it. Intuition, experience and the ability to dodge with a sidestep. We'll see if Cousins really has it, but RGIII didn't. Why is that?
Replies: @Jim Christian, @ScarletNumber, @keypusher
嗯，我想 NFL 有足够的资金来为自己辩护。此外，有人可能会争辩说 NFL 选秀的整个概念违反了反垄断法。
The NFL is exempt from anti-trust laws. So are most major sports, I believe.
回复：@ScarletNumber
“Wonderlic 奖励的是快速决定要解决哪些问题的能力——识别低垂的果实——快速抛弃你可以解决但花费的时间比它们对你的分数的贡献所证明的时间更长的问题的能力——即是，良好的沉没成本处理能力以及在测试期间保持全神贯注和“参与游戏”的能力。”
这听起来与成为四分卫并没有那么无关紧要。 亚伦罗杰斯（35 Wonderlic）似乎比 Brett Favre（22 Wonderlic）更擅长决定哪些投球是可以解决的，从目前绿湾四分卫惊人的低拦截率来看。
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2016/10/26/aaron-rodgers-once-taunted-brett-favre-about-his-wonderlic-score/
“然后，你知道，罗杰斯，他只是一个年轻、自大的孩子。就像有一天他们在开会，罗杰斯说，‘嘿布雷特，你的 Wonderlic 得分是多少？’ Favre 说，“我不知道。” 罗杰斯说，“哦，不，我知道。那是 22。我得到了 35。” 他的事情进展不顺利。”
回复：@Bill P、@ScarletNumber、@DCThrowback、@Charles Pewitt
In Brett’s defense, asking someone an embarrassing personal question you already know the answer to makes you a dick. Then again, Aaron has a poor reputation in that area, generally speaking.
"Eh, if still living, wonder what his brain is like now."
维基百科有一个关于他的页面。 78岁了，他的大脑看起来还不错。
回复：@ScarletNumber
正如 CJ 所指出的，弗兰克已经 81 岁了。
Cleveland Browns quarterback Frank Ryan, who earned a Math Ph.D. from Rice, won an NFL championship in the pre Super Bowl 1960s. He wasn't known as being a particularly smart on-field decisionmaker, but he was known for being very brave, not releasing the ball until the perfect moment, no matter how badly he got flattened by an onrushing defender.
Replies: @anonymous, @David In TN
That was the description of Frank Ryan Browns DB Bernie Parrish gave in his book. I remember Ryan hitting Gary Collins with TD passes on a crossing pattern. They connected for three TDs in the Browns 27-0 victory over the Colts in the 1964 NFL Championship game.
The Browns blowout win in retrospect may be a bigger surprise than Super Bowl III.
I am a Giants fan but many of my fellow fans don't realize that they went to SIX NFL championship games over the eight-year period from 1956-63, missing only 1957 where the Browns lost to the Lions' last NFL championship team and 1960 where the Eagles gave Vince Lombardi and the Packers their only playoff loss. The Giants went 1-5 in these games, with the 1956 win over the Bears preventing the Giants from being the original Vikings or Bills.
FunFact: From 1954-58 the Giants' coordinators were Lombardi (offense) and Tom Landry (defense). Their last game as Giants coaches was The Greatest Game Ever Played. The Giants' record during this time was 37-21-2 (.633) with two Eastern Conference titles and one NFL Championship. And because it was before the Super Bowl, it was like it never happened.
I remember the game well. Shula was thoroughly out coached by Blanton Collier and it wouldn't be the last time Shula got out coached. Unitas was bottled up completely. You may be right about the Brons
回复：@David In TN
“Smart move, picking two white examples, rather than a white and black example.”
He didn’t say “the next Aaron Rodgers rather than the next Vince Young,” did he?
回复：@Hibernian
The Chicago Sun-Times is constantly making a big deal of that fact.
他总是让我觉得他是场上最聪明的球员。 也是斯坦福大学的毕业生。
当然，他的表现很好。
Replies: @Wj, @David In TN, @Truth
Joe Montana 在圣母大学打大学舞会，而不是斯坦福大学。
I think Ryan taught at Yale. 1964 was one of the rare off-years for Lombardi's Packers. The Baltimore Colts won the Western Division of the pre-merger NFL. The Colts and the great Unitas proceeded to get ambushed and thoroughly thrashed by Ryan's Browns in the championship game even though the Browns were underdogs. The next year the Ryan's Browns got whipped by Lombardi's Packers in what would be Jim Brown's final game as a pro--which speaks to how great those Packer teams were in those days. Ryan and Bart Starr were similar in style. If Ryan had been Lombardi's qb instead of Starr, Ryan would've gone to Canton
One of the greatest lines of all time was penned by the late Red Smith of the NY Times who once wrote that the Browns offense consisted of one guy who understood Einstein's theory of relativity and ten who didn't know there even was one!
回复：@Hibernian
“1964 was one of the rare off-years for Lombardi’s Packers. ”
’64 was the year Paul Hornung returned from his one year gambling suspension.
Yes. They also were beaten out the year before by da Bears--George Halas's last championship (they beat the Giants).
“Wonderlic 奖励的是快速决定要解决哪些问题的能力——识别低垂的果实——快速抛弃你可以解决但花费的时间比它们对你的分数的贡献所证明的时间更长的问题的能力——即是，良好的沉没成本处理能力以及在测试期间保持全神贯注和“参与游戏”的能力。”
这听起来与成为四分卫并没有那么无关紧要。 亚伦罗杰斯（35 Wonderlic）似乎比 Brett Favre（22 Wonderlic）更擅长决定哪些投球是可以解决的，从目前绿湾四分卫惊人的低拦截率来看。
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2016/10/26/aaron-rodgers-once-taunted-brett-favre-about-his-wonderlic-score/
“然后，你知道，罗杰斯，他只是一个年轻、自大的孩子。就像有一天他们在开会，罗杰斯说，‘嘿布雷特，你的 Wonderlic 得分是多少？’ Favre 说，“我不知道。” 罗杰斯说，“哦，不，我知道。那是 22。我得到了 35。” 他的事情进展不顺利。”
回复：@Bill P、@ScarletNumber、@DCThrowback、@Charles Pewitt
Favre was too classy to mention the all the blind items that imply Rodgers employs beards to cover for his homosexuality.
“Wonderlic 奖励的是快速决定要解决哪些问题的能力——识别低垂的果实——快速抛弃你可以解决但花费的时间比它们对你的分数的贡献所证明的时间更长的问题的能力——即是，良好的沉没成本处理能力以及在测试期间保持全神贯注和“参与游戏”的能力。”
这听起来与成为四分卫并没有那么无关紧要。 亚伦罗杰斯（35 Wonderlic）似乎比 Brett Favre（22 Wonderlic）更擅长决定哪些投球是可以解决的，从目前绿湾四分卫惊人的低拦截率来看。
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2016/10/26/aaron-rodgers-once-taunted-brett-favre-about-his-wonderlic-score/
“然后，你知道，罗杰斯，他只是一个年轻、自大的孩子。就像有一天他们在开会，罗杰斯说，‘嘿布雷特，你的 Wonderlic 得分是多少？’ Favre 说，“我不知道。” 罗杰斯说，“哦，不，我知道。那是 22。我得到了 35。” 他的事情进展不顺利。”
回复：@Bill P、@ScarletNumber、@DCThrowback、@Charles Pewitt
Montesquieu says:
“When the savages of Louisiana are desirous of fruit, they cut the tree to the root and gather the fruit. This is an emblem of despotic government.”
Time management? Present or future? Should I wait till he clears the linebacker to throw or chuck it and hope for the best? We’ll need fruit in a year or so I bet, so let’s not cut down the tree?
Wonderlic and Louisiana and cornerbacks. Why? What do you do if the stereotype is true?
isn't muscle heavier than fat - Carson vs Ben
回复：@Alec Leamas
Muscle is more dense but there’s no way Ben is 235 at 6’5″ now.
That was the description of Frank Ryan Browns DB Bernie Parrish gave in his book. I remember Ryan hitting Gary Collins with TD passes on a crossing pattern. They connected for three TDs in the Browns 27-0 victory over the Colts in the 1964 NFL Championship game.
The Browns blowout win in retrospect may be a bigger surprise than Super Bowl III.
回复：@ScarletNumber、@anonymous
It’s amazing how the NFL has been able to reset its history with Super Bowl I. When the 49ers were going for the threepeat in 1990, people barely acknowledged that the Packers already did it from 65-67. The issue is that the first title didn’t have a Super Bowl to cap it off. They also did it from 29-31, but there wasn’t even a championship game back then.
I am a Giants fan but many of my fellow fans don’t realize that they went to SIX NFL championship games over the eight-year period from 1956-63, missing only 1957 where the Browns lost to the Lions’ last NFL championship team and 1960 where the Eagles gave Vince Lombardi and the Packers their only playoff loss. The Giants went 1-5 in these games, with the 1956 win over the Bears preventing the Giants from being the original Vikings or Bills.
FunFact: From 1954-58 the Giants’ coordinators were Lombardi (offense) and Tom Landry (defense). Their last game as Giants coaches was The Greatest Game Ever Played. The Giants’ record during this time was 37-21-2 (.633) with two Eastern Conference titles and one NFL Championship. And because it was before the Super Bowl, it was like it never happened.
他总是让我觉得他是场上最聪明的球员。 也是斯坦福大学的毕业生。
当然，他的表现很好。
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It’s funny, in interviews he seemed to come off as a moron.
I am a little surprised that this kind of cognitive testing is being allowed.
Isn’t there a cry from the less cognitive to get rid of this kind of testing?
What about disparate impact?
Are only quarterbacks being tested?
Everyone gets tested. However wonderlic test is important only for position that requires certain level of intelligence. QB being the most obvious example, but also offensive linemen, inside linebacker and safety. If a player's position is cornerback or runningback, the test is merely perfunctory and not included in the evaluation of players.
"1964 was one of the rare off-years for Lombardi’s Packers. "
'64 was the year Paul Hornung returned from his one year gambling suspension.
回复：@anonymous
Yes. They also were beaten out the year before by da Bears–George Halas’s last championship (they beat the Giants).
That was the description of Frank Ryan Browns DB Bernie Parrish gave in his book. I remember Ryan hitting Gary Collins with TD passes on a crossing pattern. They connected for three TDs in the Browns 27-0 victory over the Colts in the 1964 NFL Championship game.
The Browns blowout win in retrospect may be a bigger surprise than Super Bowl III.
回复：@ScarletNumber、@anonymous
I remember the game well. Shula was thoroughly out coached by Blanton Collier and it wouldn’t be the last time Shula got out coached. Unitas was bottled up completely. You may be right about the Brons
I came of age watching those Giant teams in those days. Hate to say it but…in looking back they played in a weak (Eastern) division in the pre-merger NFL and were probably overrated by the NY media who discovered the NFL after the Sudden Death championship game in ྲྀ. I loved Tittle but never could shake the feeling that he folded like a cheap camera when facing a physical team i.e. Packers. I remember watching the ཹ championship game in Green Bay when he stunk up the joint bigtime. They lost 37 zip and there’s a story that Huff and Robustelli went to Giant coach Allie Sherman at the end of the first half and demanded that he replace Tittle. Which he did. With 42 year old Charlie Conerly who wasn’t much better. Sherman was actually good coach who had good–but not great–personnel. The team got old en mass after ཻ, leaving Sherman with not a lot to work with. He eventually got fired and went into business.
Looking at the Wikipedia page of Wonderlic scores: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonderlic_test#Average_score_in_the_NFL_by_position
Are the 4 “reported” NFL 48+ Wonderlic scores true? That seems a little high, doesn’t it?
回复：@Danindc
伟大的四分卫有很高的Wunderlich。但也有一些例外（主要是马里诺）。这绝对比他们的40岁更重要。
杰克逊不会在 NFL 中担任四分卫。与 RG3 非常相似，RG13 在个人和职业上都是灾难。 XNUMX分几乎保证他无法读懂防守。
He’s now 81 and retired, but his football career does not seem to have affected his brain. He really does appear to be possibly the smartest guy ever to play pro football. A quick excerpt from his Wikipedia entry, under the heading of Post-NFL Career:
回复：@Danindc
A lot of the concussion drama is guys trying to cash in on a lawsuit.
嗯，我想 NFL 有足够的资金来为自己辩护。此外，有人可能会争辩说 NFL 选秀的整个概念违反了反垄断法。
回复：@Jim Don Bob
The NFL is exempt from anti-trust laws. So are most major sports, I believe.
MLB is the only sport exempt from anti-trust laws going back to the 1922 case Federal Baseball Club v. National League. It was reaffirmed by Harry Blackmun, future author of 罗诉韦德在 Flood v. Kuhn in 1972. Blackmun stated that it was up to congress to repeal the exemption granted in Federal Baseball Club but since they hadn't they were going to use it as precedent.
The other leagues don't have this exemption. The NFL has been granted a limited exemption in order to negotiate a national television contract, but they had to bribe Russell Long to get it. That's how the New Orleans Saints came to be.
The NFL Draft only exists because no one has challenged it. No potential athlete wants to blackball himself from the league by challenging it. It would never pass legal muster.
Isn't there a cry from the less cognitive to get rid of this kind of testing?
What about disparate impact?
Are only quarterbacks being tested?
回复：@Anonymous
Everyone gets tested. However wonderlic test is important only for position that requires certain level of intelligence. QB being the most obvious example, but also offensive linemen, inside linebacker and safety. If a player’s position is cornerback or runningback, the test is merely perfunctory and not included in the evaluation of players.
They later divorced, as he ended up straying. The pull of the "p" was just too strong!
To the original question, the "failure" of RG3 has many fathers, the most certainly being his contract with Adidas and his own ego at trying to come back from an ACL tear in less than a year and not being 100%. His rookie year was one of the best in NFL history. 25TD passes, 2 INTs!
But Mike Shanahan and the turf at Fedex Field also deserve some of the blame, too.
回复：@Jim Christian
Amazing how QUIET that was. RGIII wound up in Cleveland, NFL QB graveyard. I think he was there a year. Immediately he divorced his wife back in DC, moved to Cleveland, met a 19 YO blonde that he so fell in love with he tattooed her name on his arm. Can’t remember her race. They were hot shits out there for a bit. Meh, it’s an old story. They can’t turn down the pooze. Each is sweeter than the last and they never say no. I couldn’t resist, but I wouldn’t be marrying at that age, heh…
Not sure how ancient you guys are, but RFK stadium and now Fed Ex Field in Landover, they were always a soft kind of ground, the entire DC affair is built on a swamp, almost floating, which accounts for the fierce humidity. They never had decent footing, both were ‘mudders’ fields where a guy like Riggins made bad days for the linebackers. RG3 needed to learn, quickly, the sort of ball control, dink-and-dunk pocket schemes that keep you upright and healthy. But he didn’t have it to move around a little, find a guy fast and dump it. Every now and then, the long ball, which he threw beautifully. Great arm. But he relied on the legs, took off running too fast and after a few games, he was nicked and not such a surprise to anyone.
Shanny and his son, who knew a thing or two about QBs knew Cousins was the real deal, likely in the mold of a Brady, but no one is Brady of course. RGIII was a “foist” because owner Snyder wanted a Black QB. We’ll see, Brady turned into quite a mind. You need a fast computer in your head: Brady, Brees and Rodgers have it, Ben has it, Rivers has it. Intuition, experience and the ability to dodge with a sidestep. We’ll see if Cousins really has it, but RGIII didn’t. Why is that?
The NFL is exempt from anti-trust laws. So are most major sports, I believe.
回复：@ScarletNumber
MLB is the only sport exempt from anti-trust laws going back to the 1922 case Federal Baseball Club v. National League. It was reaffirmed by Harry Blackmun, future author of 罗诉韦德在 Flood v. Kuhn in 1972. Blackmun stated that it was up to congress to repeal the exemption granted in Federal Baseball Club but since they hadn’t they were going to use it as precedent.
The other leagues don’t have this exemption. The NFL has been granted a limited exemption in order to negotiate a national television contract, but they had to bribe Russell Long to get it. That’s how the New Orleans Saints came to be.
The NFL Draft only exists because no one has challenged it. No potential athlete wants to blackball himself from the league by challenging it. It would never pass legal muster.
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公平的问题。我认为答案是俱乐部显然没有根据 Wonderlic 做出雇佣决定。
民权律师赛勒斯·梅里 (Cyrus Mehri) 出于常见原因一直在推动替代测试。 Wonderlic 无疑显示了标准的种族差距。
如今，美国国家橄榄球联盟 (NFL) 继续要求潜在的新秀参加 Wonderlic 测试，尽管现在已经有人进行这项测试了。 2013年，联盟推出了球员评估工具，该工具由律师赛勒斯·梅里（Cyrus Mehri）和心理学教授哈罗德·戈德斯坦（Harold Goldstein）开发，他的报告导致了NFL鲁尼规则的实施。 SB Nation 的 Louis Bien 最近报道称，PAT 是一项时长 50 分钟的考试，旨在检查球员的足球智慧、心理属性、学习风格和动机线索。 “与 Wonderlic 不同，玩家不会获得数字分数，因此从技术上讲，没有办法做得不好，”Bien 写道。
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-a-multiple-choice-test-became-a-fixture-of-the-nfl-draft/
来自另一个故事：
梅里说，PAT 之所以如此命名，是因为它应该在评估的最后阶段予以考虑，因为在达阵后会尝试加分，这是一项时长 60 分钟的基于计算机的测试。梅里表示，戈德斯坦为其他行业设计的类似测试中，PAT 最类似于为消防员开发的测试。
In other words, it’s another product of the disparate-impact industry.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/02/17/nfl-combine-aptitude-test/1926409/