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再次伦敦

我再次来到伦敦(我特别想去),可能会在五月中旬访问丹麦奥胡斯(会议)。如果经济允许的话,考虑乘火车经荷兰前往丹麦。我还没有拜访过荷兰人。

我终于在这里找到了海纳·林德曼(Heiner Rindermann)的《认知资本》。希望很快会添加到 詹姆斯·汤普森(James Thompson)埃米尔·柯克郭尔 评论。

假设没有国际危机,我很快就会担任葡萄牙职务。

诺瓦克·德拉斯科维奇 翻译 我的乌克兰大文章 翻译成塞尔维亚语: Украјина још није умрла, а кад ће не знамо

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提要

* 大教堂编年史:

* SJWS 强制阿尔斯特大学 剥夺 理查德·林恩 (Richard Lynn) 的荣誉退休身份。

* 巴瑶人具有独特的适应性 用于长时间的深海潜水 (更大的脾脏,更好的水下视力)。但我们都知道人类的进化在五万年前就停止了!?

*布莱恩·卡普兰: 国际收养的奇迹:瑞典成人智商

国际收养并不能消除国际智商差距,但有可能将其缩小一半。请记住,与 Head Start 等经典的儿童干预措施不同,这种收益会持续到成年而不是消失。还有什么其他可行、持久的低智商治疗方法能同样有效呢?

似乎证实了直观的推论 全球化 黑白差距是 50/50 环境和遗传。

* 英国政府称俄罗斯疫情蔓延 假新闻 通过 Twitter 机器人,它引用的唯一 Twitter“机器人”实际上是两个真实的人,其中之一是著名的 @PartisanGirl。

* 2018 年叙利亚袭击后果:

战斗牧师

强大的 wh40k 氛围。

* 俄罗斯军事历史博主报道了俄罗斯国防部赞助的叙利亚赫梅米姆空军基地之旅。你不需要俄语就能欣赏这些照片。

*埃米尔·柯克高(Emil Kirkegaard): 乌鸦座情报

在这个细小目中,乌鸦属(乌鸦和乌鸦)是一个异常值,比鸟类平均值高出八个标准差以上,是迄今为止所有属中最高的。

*安德烈斯·戈麦斯·埃米尔森和迈克·约翰逊: 2018 年意识科​​学反思

* NBF: 激光的威力每 3 年就会增强十倍,很快 Exawatt 激光器将实现核聚变等。这是我以前没有意识到的有趣且重要的趋势。

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俄罗斯

* 概要 俄罗斯预算政策 未来几年:减少军费开支;更多基础设施、医疗保健、教育 花费.

* Roskomnadzor无能 对 Telegram 的攻击 继续。

  • 相近 20万个IP 连续被封锁[usher2.club]
  • 影响企业使用的云服务
  • VPN 知识从阅读边缘自由主义和民族主义网络杂志的政治怪胎传播到普通人
  • 未能阻止 Telegram 本身
  • 有趣的是,许多上述自由主义和民族主义网络杂志现在不再被屏蔽[ping 管理员]

我怀疑如果普京政权做了什么,那就是这种愚蠢和制度退化。请注意 Roskomnadzor 的年度预算 超过10% 俄罗斯科学院的。

*保罗·罗宾逊 评论 蒂莫西·斯奈德(Timothy Snyder)关于俄罗斯(普京、杜金、格拉济耶夫(!)、普罗汉诺夫(!))作为法西斯主义的宣传书。

*萨尔基相总理 辞职了 亚美尼亚抗议活动结束后。这是例行的权力转移还是颜色革命很快就会见分晓(我的赌注仍然是前者)。

* 俄罗斯可能 开设军事基地 在索马里兰。如果这是真的,这将会有一些令人着迷的 历史先例.

*马克·费金有 被取消律师资格。由于他是一位伪装成律师的政治活动家,而且利用他的客户来推进他的政治目标,因此 来得太晚了5年.

* 大量地图和信息图表 关于俄罗斯 2018 年总统选举 [俄语]。

*生意人报: 以色列Repats [在俄罗斯],通过德米特里。

* 即使是相对优秀的俄罗斯观察家也常常不知道最基本的事情:

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世界

*波兰视角 评论 关于减少欧盟对波兰的补贴以及为什么它可以帮助波兰发挥更加独立的作用。

史蒂夫·塞勒(Steve Sailer):

*大胆的Epigone: 彩虹国度变暗

犹太俄罗斯恐惧症

*大胆的Epigone: 没有人像犹太人那样恐惧俄罗斯。对查尔斯·鲍斯曼有争议的论文的一些统计支持。

* 华凯:

* Leonid Bershidsky: 匈牙利的欧尔班不是另一个普京

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科学与文化

* Gwern的 三月通讯.

* 理查德·林恩、福斯特和柯克加德 (2018) – 22 个国家的智力区域差异及其经济、社会和人口相关性:综述。它在 Sci-Hub 上。

* 詹姆斯·汤普森 (James Thompson) 开始制作有关智商研究现状的视频。 第一个在这里.

世界最年长的人

* 世界上最长寿的人的年龄 稳步攀升.

* 技术回顾: 研究人员正在让猪脑在体外保持活力。无畏舰石棺我们来了。

* Picus 新闻我们来了:

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功能强大

嫁得好

* 正如托芬森所说,这个男人嫁得很好。

巅峰政治

* 巅峰/r/政治?

* 格鲁吉亚的维多主义:

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  1. 我真的懒得去了解欧尔班最近否决欧盟与非洲协议背后的真正原因,有人知道吗?该协议旨在减少来自非洲的移民流量。

  2. * 正如托芬森所说,这个男人嫁得很好。

    哪个男人?

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @reiner托尔

    Daniel Chieh(他的妻子不仅允许他玩电子游戏……显然她自己也玩……书呆子的梦想成真!)。

    回复:@reiner Tor、@yevardian、@Daniel Chieh

  3. @reiner Tor

    * 正如托芬森所说,这个男人嫁得很好。
     
    哪个男人?

    回复:@German_reader

    Daniel Chieh(他的妻子不仅允许他玩电子游戏……显然她自己也玩……书呆子的梦想成真!)。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @German_reader

    哦,我还以为是指下面那一段关于绞杀俄罗斯的……

    回复:@German_reader

    , @yevardian
    @German_reader

    可惜《文明 IV》是 Firaxis 最后一款值得玩的游戏。

    , @Daniel Chieh
    @German_reader

    她确实是个宝。我也计划很快在《文明 6》中制作《让我们来玩俄罗斯占领世界》。

    回复:@German_reader

  4. @German_reader
    @reiner托尔

    Daniel Chieh(他的妻子不仅允许他玩电子游戏……显然她自己也玩……书呆子的梦想成真!)。

    回复:@reiner Tor、@yevardian、@Daniel Chieh

    哦,我还以为是指下面那一段关于绞杀俄罗斯的……

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @reiner托尔

    我真的很想知道 Reddit 的评论是否真实……真的有普通大众吗? 反俄?


    NBF:激光的功率每 3 年增强 XNUMX 倍,很快 Exawatt 激光将解锁聚变等等
     
    这听起来很有趣,显然我不了解技术细节,但是关于核聚变的任何事情都令人兴奋。

    回复:@Singh、@Anatoly Karlin

  5. @reiner Tor
    @German_reader

    哦,我还以为是指下面那一段关于绞杀俄罗斯的……

    回复:@German_reader

    我真的很想知道 Reddit 上的评论是否属实……是否真的有普通公众 反俄?

    NBF:激光的功率每 3 年增强 XNUMX 倍,很快 Exawatt 激光将解锁聚变等等

    这听起来真的很有趣,显然我不明白技术细节,但是有关核聚变的任何事情都令人兴奋。

    • 回复: @Singh
    @German_reader

    类似的想法在 ww3 评论中流传。

    一般美国人讨厌任何不允许黑人大规模性交的国家。

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    是的。

    这也许是你的例子:https://np.reddit.com/r/Enough_Sanders_Spam/comments/5mttx2/fuck_ Russia/

    回复:@German_reader

  6. @German_reader
    @reiner托尔

    我真的很想知道 Reddit 的评论是否真实……真的有普通大众吗? 反俄?


    NBF:激光的功率每 3 年增强 XNUMX 倍,很快 Exawatt 激光将解锁聚变等等
     
    这听起来很有趣,显然我不了解技术细节,但是关于核聚变的任何事情都令人兴奋。

    回复:@Singh、@Anatoly Karlin

    类似的想法在 ww3 评论中流传。

    平均美国人讨厌任何不允许黑人批发的国家。

  7. 我一点也不相信布莱恩·卡普兰,但是,如果一切都视为理所当然,那么“环境”一词在某种程度上就会变得相当荒谬。例如,如果你需要用白人完全包围黑人,即使是在家里,而且它在任何其他形式(学校教学)中都是不可复制的——好吧,那么,从技术上来说,这可能是环保的,但这对于社会。事实上,这可能比 100% 遗传造成的差距更糟糕,因为平等主义者会希望通过强迫黑人和白人在一起来缩小这种差距。

    • 同意: RadicalCenter
    • 回复: @Pericles
    @鸣禽

    (布莱恩·卡普兰是毒药。)

    所以,基本上,如果社会最多有 1% 的黑人,那么黑人就可以了 比较 好吧,除非他们聚集在一起。嗯,也许这可以用作政策指导。

    回复:@songbird

  8. 巴瑶人确实很有趣。他们是被水域选择的。您能想象北海周围的人们逐渐适应轻装潜水吗?不,这太冷了。死海怎么样?里面没有任何可以作为食物的东西。

    如果不同的水可以改变我们的 DNA,那么很明显不同的土壤也可以。然而很多人仍然认为人是可以互换的。他们想把文明押在上面。

  9. 读伯希德斯基关于欧尔班的文章令人痛苦地提醒我们,西方媒体对中东欧的报道是多么糟糕——不是因为列昂尼德的文章不好,而是恰恰相反。即使对于那些不同意欧尔班的人来说,他也能明智地做到这一点,同时也承认支撑欧尔班成功的真正问题。如今,在西方主流媒体中几乎不可能找到这一壮举。

    我也不认为伯希德斯基是东欧人这一事实与这种能力无关,而他的许多同事显然缺乏这种能力。

    甚至不仅仅是EE。这也与我之前对西方对中国的报道如此多的残暴和肤浅的哀叹不谋而合。大多数精英报纸的记者甚至都不是华裔,能说流利普通话的就更少了。这对于世界上最大的(按购买力平价计算)经济体而言。如果连像中国这样重要得多的国家都受到如此粗心和无知的对待,匈牙利还有什么希望呢?西方所谓的俄罗斯“专家”有时甚至觉得他们不需要懂俄语。

    我的年龄还不够大,不知道早期的情况如何,但我很难相信以前的标准如此草率。似乎你的实际领域专业知识越来越不重要,真正重要的是你的意识形态一致性,除此之外别无其他。即使作为一个在意识形态上与贝尔希德斯基不同的人,阅读他的著作仍然是一种乐趣。这是我对记者最高的赞美,尤其是在我们今天生活的歇斯底里的气氛中。

    • 回复: @Duke of Qin
    @波兰视角

    现在有很多中国人为西方精英媒体报道中国,至少从推特的新闻报道来看是这样。他们只是碰巧都是与西方男性有关系的中国女性或彻头彻尾的同性恋者;也可能与西方男性发生关系。

    所以你得到的是由外国训练有素的第五专栏作家写的纯粹叛逆的生物列宁主义胡言乱语。

    正如史蒂夫·赛勒(Steve Sailer)指出的那样,媒体由于吸引该行业的女性过多而比传统上男性主导的行业更容易遭受性虐待。与直觉相反,在那里工作的女性越多,掌握权力的男性就越有可能利用它。

    由于缺乏语言设施,中国的英文媒体以及西方媒体的整个远东分社都依赖于稳定的当地买办和掮客。这些人绝大多数都是雄心勃勃的年轻女性,会说英语,就像成群结队的才华横溢的年轻女孩涌向纽约或洛杉矶进入大联盟一样,为享有盛誉的西方出版社工作对她们来说是一个巨大的地位提升。负责的编辑都是被送到远东的普通中年男子,他们的招聘决定主要是由他们的阴茎决定的。那些迎合自己意识形态的性感年轻人会被雇用,而男人却不会。这就是西方媒体在亚洲的运作方式。

    回复:@Polish Perspective

    , @jeppo
    @波兰视角

    我认为这段比较匈牙利和俄罗斯腐败程度的段落很有趣:

    但即使在这一点上,俄罗斯和匈牙利之间也存在重要分歧。托特估计,15% 至 24% 的政府采购存在腐败行为。 2017年上半年,俄罗斯财政部发现,国有企业采购合同总额的42.5%是在没有经过竞争程序的情况下分发的,这清楚地表明这些都是腐败交易。马丁表示,腐败和任人唯亲的企业在匈牙利经济中所占的比例在 5% 到 10% 之间;在俄罗斯,根据司法部长亚历山大·科诺瓦洛夫 (Alexander Konovalov) 2015 年的估计,腐败每年导致官方经济产出损失 10% 至 20%。

    换句话说,俄罗斯的腐败程度比匈牙利严重得多。原因之一是,正如我在布达佩斯采访过的所有非政府组织专家告诉我的那样,匈牙利法院仍然是独立的,并且不怕惹恼政府。另一个原因是,与后苏联国家相比,公民可见的低级腐败几乎不存在。最后,政治仍然是竞争性的,这自然限制了偷窃的大胆程度。

    贝尔希德斯基认为,独立的司法机构、竞争性的政治以及对公然腐败行为的社会容忍度很低,是匈牙利比俄罗斯腐败程度低得多的原因。

    这两个国家都在半神话般的哈伊纳尔线之外,但如果说有什么不同的话,这可能会“违背”民族刻板印象,狡猾、纵容的马扎尔人通常被认为不如厚重但认真的斯拉夫人值得信赖。

    根据 CPI 指数,匈牙利在 57 个腐败国家中排名第 176 位,俄罗斯排名第 131 位。

    匈牙利与邻国克罗地亚、罗马尼亚和斯洛伐克并列,而俄罗斯与邻近的哈萨克斯坦、乌克兰和摩尔多瓦并列。

    因此,后共产主义世界基本上分为“维谢格拉德”或“三海”腐败程度的国家和“欧亚”腐败程度的国家。

    显然,北约和欧盟成员国所施加的标准有助于清理匈牙利和其他类似国家,而俄罗斯等国却没有这样的变化。

    当普京主义固有的腐败与竞争意识形态欧尔班主义的相对透明度相比时,俄罗斯如何才能维持其在该地区的地缘政治主导地位?谁会选择前者而不是后者,为什么?

    当相对守法和繁荣的维谢格拉德/三海集团向我们招手时,俄罗斯的跨国集团(欧亚联盟)将很难保留其少数成员,更不用说吸引新成员了。

    俄罗斯领导层没有提供令人信服的理由说明东欧其他国家不应该加入北约和欧盟。有一天,俄罗斯人民甚至可能会违背“俄罗斯”精英的意愿而起来提出要求。

    欧尔班将被铭记为他那个时代的一位(或“最”)有远见的政治家,一位席卷西方的民族主义民粹主义革命的先知。普京将因主持了一个腐败和停滞的世纪末时代而被人们铭记,就像后来的勃列日涅夫或路易十六一样。

    回复:@Mitleser

  10. 我一直关注的主题之一是中国精英与印度精英。前者思想更加独立。本周我们又得到了另一个例子。

    阿里巴巴的马云表示,各国需要拥有自己的半导体技术来避开美国的控制

    一些背景:中兴手机上周刚刚在美国被禁止。中兴通讯的手机也落败。他们的网络设备带来了大笔收入。他们还与中国安全机构关系密切——就像亚马逊一样 为中央情报局工作 和其他 SV 公司已经与各种 USG 实体建立了联系。

    现在有传言称即将对华为进行调查,这将更快地加速这一进程。

    但说实话,中国的推动已经开始了 方式 在最近的争议之前。中国已承诺投入 150 亿美元建设国内半导体产业。马云指的其实是芯片本身,比如高通或ARM技术出售的芯片(现在技术上归日本软银所有,但日本本身就是西方殖民地)。所以我们这里有一个多层次的方法。一方面,实际制造芯片的产业能力。如今,三个国家基本上占据主导地位。是美国(英特尔和GloFo)、台湾(台积电)和韩国(三星)。他们可能拥有分散在全球各地的小型制造工厂,但核心研发是在这三个国家完成的。其他人基本上都不重要。中国现在将努力成为第四个主要参与者。

    除此之外,它还试图进军芯片业务。我有 之前注意到 e 表示他们正在努力在 CPU 领域快速追赶,同时也正在开发 GPU。当我们进入 5G 时代时,制作小芯片显然至关重要。

    现在印度做什么呢? Flipkart 是少数几家有规模推动国内创新的“国内”电子商务公司之一,现在陷入了关于将业务出售给哪家美国公司的内部争论。有人讨论过要像中国一样采取保护性政策,但没有成功。印度精英过于西化,不可能发生这种情况。

    乌兹发表了几篇有关印度裔美国人的文章。共同的主题是对他们的左派主义的哀叹。我不是美国人,所以我不知道。但很明显,印裔美国人侨民对印度国内精英的影响巨大。他们融入西方梯队,为自己不拥有的公司工作的卑躬屈膝的官员(纳德拉和皮查伊是两个最明显的例子)强化了这种服务心态。实际上,只有非常大国才能创建一大批能够在全球范围内竞争的科技公司。这也是欧洲失败的部分原因。欧洲内部的货物贸易(德国的优势)非常自由化。欧洲内部服务贸易(德国的弱点)则不然。只要欧洲贸易仍然以这种方式拼凑起来,只要我们有一个充满官僚豁免的“单一市场”,这一点就不会改变。因此,只有3个国家有现实机会创造众多全球科技巨头,印度是其中的第三个。这就是为什么我关心这个话题。

    最后,中国最著名的科技人士都是像马云或马化腾(腾讯)这样的业主企业家,这不是很讽刺也很能说明问题吗?最著名的印度科技人士是他们自己不拥有的美国公司的首席执行官。印度最大的国内科技公司 Flipkart 现在将出售给沃尔玛或亚马逊。真令人沮丧。我当然想要更多的非西方竞争对手,这对于我们这些想要多元化科技格局的人来说意味着更多的竞争和选择,其中美国政府的突发奇想和美国的 SJW 文化是主导趋势。我曾对印度抱有希望,但它的精英们似乎过于顺从,而且倾向于成为乞求者。中国就是这样。

    • 回复: @Thorfinnsson
    @波兰视角

    美国突然果断地采取行动保护其高科技产业免受中国侵害,这使得过去半个世纪以来美国工业基础保护的整体失败令人非常沮丧。在我的一生中,美国是世界上最大的机床生产国,但现在仅排名第六。还有很多其他的例子。正如马尔蒂亚诺夫海军上将喜欢提醒我们的那样,技术不仅仅是半导体和软件。

    本土半导体设计和制造行业的技术独立性还不止于此。半导体制造所需的资本设备和材料均来自美国和日本(唯一的例外是荷兰公司 ASML)。例如,半导体硅只能从信越化学公司获得(孟山都和瓦克化学已于 90 年代退出市场)。

    印度的民族主义心态比你想象的还要强烈。印度政府发起了 在印度制造 2014 年,印度电子产品进口量首次超过石油进口量后,印度发起了鼓励本土制造和创新的运动。

    http://www.makeinindia.com/home

    印度历史上在尝试与外国技术匹敌方面几乎没有取得成功。在它最努力的国防部门,失败的例子数不胜数,比如“光辉”轻型战斗机和“阿琼”坦克。

    但是,是的,允许 Flipkart 出售给美国人,并以充当西里佐格谷寡头的契约苦力为傲,并没有什么帮助。

    Prichai 和 Nadella 也无能。微软的收入现在停滞不前,谷歌的疯子们正在接管庇护所,而皮查伊的老板们则把股东的钱浪费在一系列无休无止的幼稚的愚蠢行为上。苹果公司的同性恋首席执行官蒂姆·库克虽然不是印度人,但他也是一个不值得赞扬的平庸之人。苹果公司的收入也停滞不前,不久之后,它的年度净利润就会被伯克希尔哈撒韦公司超越——伯克希尔哈撒韦公司是一家非科技公司,实际上缴纳了大量的企业所得税,其最大的单一运营部门是……一家铁路。

    无论微软喜欢与否,它都需要接受自己现在是一家企业软件公司的事实。明显的举措是考虑在该领域进行收购,例如 Salesforce.com、Intuit、SAP、Oracle 等。或者,它可能会放弃增长并转向收购。 大规模 在削减成本的同时增加回购和股息。这样的商业模式并没有什么问题——3G资本让它运行得非常好。

    谷歌受益于数字广告支出的增长速度持续快于整体经济增长的事实,但这种情况将在未来十年停止。它需要承认这只是一个他妈的广告平台,摆脱书呆子太空营的狗屎,解雇所有的 SJW,然后开始考虑大规模裁员。不过,它的企业产品(例如 G Suite)很好,不应该被放弃。谷歌在未来十年也可能比微软面临更大的危险,因为越来越多地使用个人助理进行搜索,并没有提供明显的广告销售方式(他们会雇用年老的电台 DJ 在 Alexa 上推销二手车吗?)。

    顺便问一下,Waymo 的商业计划是什么?谷歌不是汽车制造商,不太可能进入这样一个资本密集型和竞争激烈的行业。我怀疑谷歌的水果蛋糕、铅笔脖子和敏感的灵魂能否应对一个充满竞争和要求苛刻的客户的行业。他们是否计划将技术出租给传统汽车制造商?

    自从我提出这些问题以来,苹果公司有以下三种前进道路:

    1 - 接受它是一个豪华消费电子品牌,并开始收购索尼消费电子部门、Bang & Olufsen 等资产。你可能会说,收购 Beats 耳机表明他们接受了这一点,尽管世界上最富有的公司被一位推销产品的说唱歌手欺骗了。对于那些抢夺苹果实际客户的人来说,耳机并不是一个好兆头。

    2 - 复活史蒂夫·乔布斯,以便他们能够再次创造新产品。请让僵尸史蒂夫·乔布斯远离水果!

    3 - 为微软建议的股东喜爱模型。炸毁末日大厅虚荣总部并将其注销,然后将公司运营实际需要的工人重新安置到里诺郊区的一系列不起眼的钢结构建筑中。解雇蒂姆·库克并取而代之的是文斯·麦克马洪——一个真正懂得如何上演精彩表演的人。立即制定计划,开始将 300 亿美元的现金储备返还给股东。

    底线是,美国最大的科技公司一般都没有那么令人印象深刻:

    IBM - 一家专利流氓和咨询机构,伪装成一家科技公司,其主要产品是其股票

    惠普 - 一家犯罪企业,憎恨和害怕其产品是后过的客户

    亚马逊 - 一家涉足媒体的零售商和网络托管公司,绝对鄙视利润

    Facebook - 不喜欢

    真正的技术在英特尔和高通。

    回复:@songbird、@neutral、@anonymous coward

  11. 未来可能是猪脑无人机在整个西方追捕伊斯兰恐怖分子。

    • 哈哈: reiner Tor
    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @鸣禽

    如果它没有很快成为现实,那就真的很有趣了。

  12. @songbird
    未来可能是猪脑无人机在整个西方追捕伊斯兰恐怖分子。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    如果它没有很快成为现实,那就真的很有趣了。

  13. 我只是对匈牙利在国外的报道感兴趣。我的猜测为零。

    匈牙利游泳联合会前主席(1993-2016),现任国际泳联副主席,也是一位有影响力的左翼媒体大亨(直到 2009 年,他在欧尔班上台之前失去了大部分媒体影响力),上周被捕(他已被逮捕)因与 24 年另一位左翼媒体大亨的合同谋杀案有关而被释放,但必须 7/1998 佩戴 GPS 设备并定期向警方报到。长期以来一直有传言是他下令谋杀的(他们是商业对手,个人互相仇恨,而在受害人的众多有影响力的竞争对手中,长期传闻他与黑社会有联系),所以我当然确信他确实是这么做的(真凶几年前就已经被定罪,但尚不清楚幕后黑手是谁。

    这很有趣,因为此案涉及最高政治层(显然是当时的自由派内政部长,也可能是已故的社会主义总理),并且表明对许多选民来说,对欧尔班腐败的指控是多么肤浅。我的意思是,我们以前的左翼精英实际上与契约杀人匪徒有联系。

    有趣的是,由于他在国际泳联的职位,塔马斯·贾法斯这个人有点国际化的个性,但我在国际媒体上没有看到太多关于此案的报道。

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @reiner托尔

    但我在国际媒体上没有看到太多关于此案的报道。

    谷歌新闻搜索表明,“很多”可以安全地替换为“几乎任何”,如果仅限于人们听说过的媒体,则可以省略“几乎”。你确定你没有拼错他的名字吗?

    回复:@Greasy William、@reiner Tor

  14. @Polish Perspective
    我一直关注的主题之一是中国精英与印度精英。前者思想更加独立。本周我们又得到了另一个例子。

    阿里巴巴的马云表示,各国需要拥有自己的半导体技术来避开美国的控制

    一些背景:中兴手机上周刚刚在美国被禁止。中兴通讯的手机也落败。他们的网络设备带来了大笔收入。他们还与中国安全机构关系密切——就像亚马逊一样 为中央情报局工作 和其他 SV 公司已经与各种 USG 实体建立了联系。

    现在有传言称即将对华为进行调查,这将更快地加速这一进程。

    但说实话,中国的推动已经开始了 方式 在最近的争议之前。中国已承诺投入 150 亿美元建设国内半导体产业。马云指的其实是芯片本身,比如高通或ARM技术出售的芯片(现在技术上归日本软银所有,但日本本身就是西方殖民地)。所以我们这里有一个多层次的方法。一方面,实际制造芯片的产业能力。如今,三个国家基本上占据主导地位。是美国(英特尔和GloFo)、台湾(台积电)和韩国(三星)。他们可能拥有分散在全球各地的小型制造工厂,但核心研发是在这三个国家完成的。其他人基本上都不重要。中国现在将努力成为第四个主要参与者。

    除此之外,它还试图进军芯片业务。我有 之前注意到 e 表示他们正在努力在 CPU 领域快速追赶,同时也正在开发 GPU。当我们进入 5G 时代时,制作小芯片显然至关重要。

    现在印度做什么呢? Flipkart 是少数几家有规模推动国内创新的“国内”电子商务公司之一,现在陷入了关于将业务出售给哪家美国公司的内部争论。有人讨论过要像中国一样采取保护性政策,但没有成功。印度精英过于西化,不可能发生这种情况。

    乌兹发表了几篇有关印度裔美国人的文章。共同的主题是对他们的左派主义的哀叹。我不是美国人,所以我不知道。但很明显,印裔美国人侨民对印度国内精英的影响巨大。他们融入西方梯队,为自己不拥有的公司工作的卑躬屈膝的官员(纳德拉和皮查伊是两个最明显的例子)强化了这种服务心态。实际上,只有非常大国才能创建一大批能够在全球范围内竞争的科技公司。这也是欧洲失败的部分原因。欧洲内部的货物贸易(德国的优势)非常自由化。欧洲内部服务贸易(德国的弱点)则不然。只要欧洲贸易仍然以这种方式拼凑起来,只要我们有一个充满官僚豁免的“单一市场”,这一点就不会改变。因此,只有3个国家有现实机会创造众多全球科技巨头,印度是其中的第三个。这就是为什么我关心这个话题。

    最后,中国最著名的科技人士都是像马云或马化腾(腾讯)这样的业主企业家,这不是很讽刺也很能说明问题吗?最著名的印度科技人士是他们自己不拥有的美国公司的首席执行官。印度最大的国内科技公司 Flipkart 现在将出售给沃尔玛或亚马逊。真令人沮丧。我当然想要更多的非西方竞争对手,这对于我们这些想要多元化科技格局的人来说意味着更多的竞争和选择,其中美国政府的突发奇想和美国的 SJW 文化是主导趋势。我曾对印度抱有希望,但它的精英们似乎过于顺从,而且倾向于成为乞求者。中国就是这样。

    回复:@Thorfinnsson

    美国突然果断地采取行动保护其高科技产业免受中国侵害,这使得过去半个世纪以来美国工业基础保护的整体失败令人非常沮丧。在我的一生中,美国是世界上最大的机床生产国,但现在仅排名第六。还有很多其他的例子。正如马尔蒂亚诺夫海军上将喜欢提醒我们的那样,技术不仅仅是半导体和软件。

    本土半导体设计和制造行业的技术独立性还不止于此。半导体制造所需的资本设备和材料均来自美国和日本(唯一的例外是荷兰公司 ASML)。例如,半导体硅只能从信越化学公司获得(孟山都和瓦克化学已于 90 年代退出市场)。

    印度的民族主义心态比你想象的还要强烈。印度政府发起了 在印度制造 2014 年,印度电子产品进口量首次超过石油进口量后,印度发起了鼓励本土制造和创新的运动。

    http://www.makeinindia.com/home

    印度历史上在尝试与外国技术匹敌方面几乎没有取得成功。在它最努力的国防部门,失败的例子数不胜数,比如“光辉”轻型战斗机和“阿琼”坦克。

    但是,是的,允许 Flipkart 出售给美国人,并以充当西里佐格谷寡头的契约苦力为傲,并没有什么帮助。

    Prichai 和 Nadella 也无能。微软的收入现在停滞不前,谷歌的疯子们正在接管庇护所,而皮查伊的老板们则把股东的钱浪费在一系列无休无止的幼稚的愚蠢行为上。苹果公司的同性恋首席执行官蒂姆·库克虽然不是印度人,但他也是一个不值得赞扬的平庸之人。苹果公司的收入也停滞不前,不久之后,它的年度净利润就会被伯克希尔哈撒韦公司超越,伯克希尔哈撒韦公司是一家非科技公司,实际上缴纳了大量的企业所得税,其最大的单一运营部门是……一家铁路。

    无论微软喜欢与否,它都需要接受自己现在是一家企业软件公司的事实。明显的举措是考虑在该领域进行收购,例如 Salesforce.com、Intuit、SAP、Oracle 等。或者,它可能会放弃增长并转向收购。 大规模 在削减成本的同时增加回购和股息。这样的商业模式并没有什么问题——3G Capital 让它运行得非常好。

    谷歌受益于数字广告支出的增长速度持续快于整体经济增长的事实,但这种情况将在未来十年停止。它需要承认这只是一个他妈的广告平台,摆脱书呆子太空营的狗屎,解雇所有的 SJW,然后开始考虑大规模裁员。不过,它的企业产品(例如 G Suite)很好,不应该被放弃。谷歌在未来十年也可以说比微软面临更大的危险,因为越来越多地使用个人助理进行搜索,并没有提供明显的广告销售方式(他们会雇用年老的电台 DJ 在 Alexa 上推销二手车吗?)。

    顺便问一下,Waymo 的商业计划是什么?谷歌不是汽车制造商,不太可能进入这样一个资本密集型和竞争激烈的行业。我怀疑谷歌的水果蛋糕、铅笔脖子和敏感的灵魂能否应对一个充满竞争和要求苛刻的客户的行业。他们是否计划将技术出租给传统汽车制造商?

    自从我提出这些问题以来,苹果公司有以下三种前进道路:

    1 – 接受它是一个豪华消费电子品牌,并开始收购索尼消费电子部门、Bang & Olufsen 等资产。你可能会说,收购 Beats 耳机表明他们接受了这一点,尽管世界上最富有的公司被一位推销产品的说唱歌手欺骗了。对于那些抢夺苹果实际客户的人来说,耳机并不是一个好兆头。

    2 – 复活史蒂夫·乔布斯,以便他们能够再次创造新产品。请让僵尸史蒂夫·乔布斯远离水果!

    3 – 为微软建议的股东喜爱模型。炸毁末日大厅虚荣总部并将其注销,然后将公司运营实际需要的工人重新安置到里诺郊区的一系列不起眼的钢结构建筑中。解雇蒂姆·库克并取代他的是文斯·麦克马洪——一个真正懂得如何上演精彩表演的人。立即制定计划,开始将 300 亿美元的现金储备返还给股东。

    底线是,美国最大的科技公司一般都没有那么令人印象深刻:

    IBM – 一家专利流氓和咨询机构,伪装成一家科技公司,其主要产品是其股票

    惠普——一家犯罪企业,对产品是后处理产品的客户又恨又怕

    亚马逊——一家涉足媒体、绝对鄙视利润的零售商和网络托管公司

    Facebook – 不喜欢

    真正的技术在英特尔和高通。

    • 回复: @songbird
    @托尔芬森

    你到底对一个果食主义者、僵尸史蒂夫·乔布斯有什么看法?

    比人的大脑更好的水果。此外,他们还可以让两个史蒂夫重聚。

    , @neutral
    @托尔芬森


    在我的一生中,美国是世界上最大的机床生产国,但现在仅排名第六。
     
    最终这些都不重要。当人口更替时(像你这样的第三世界人),外国人在异国他乡生产商品或服务,或者外国人在曾经是你自己的土地上生产,这是一回事。

    只有傻瓜保守派才会愚蠢到让自己相信印度/中国人在美国生产机床是爱国主义,而他们在美国境外生产机床是对“国家安全”的威胁(当你不这样做时,你就不可能拥有国家安全)有一个国家)。

    , @anonymous coward
    @托尔芬森


    他们是否计划将技术出租给传统汽车制造商?
     
    不,他们计划亏本出售,然后通过监视你的驾驶模式来收回成本。 (同样的犯罪计划成功地让 Android 占据主导地位。)
  15. 关于激光的事情是它开启了基于激光的导弹防御的可能性。

    但不要太兴奋,五角大楼表示在 2070 年之前不会部署针对中程火箭/导弹的激光防御系统。

    防弹导弹防御系统最伟大的一点是它可以消除核武器,因此自二战以来大国第一次有可能发生常规冲突。我们拥有所有这些很酷的军事技术,但我们从未看到它被使用,所以也许将来我们最终会看到它被使用。

    编辑:SyrianGirl 或她现在自称的任何东西都是混蛋

    • 回复: @anonymous coward
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    自二战以来,大国首次有可能发生常规冲突
     
    即使在今天,利用当今的技术,也没有什么可以阻止我们发生传统冲突。两点:

    a) 用核弹进行大规模屠杀没有任何军事意义。

    b) 战术核武器的威力不如大型常规炸弹。

    大型核武器的军备竞赛是一个历史产物——在60世纪70年代和XNUMX年代,精确制导导弹还不存在,因此必须用原始破坏力来弥补精确制导的缺陷。

    如今,当你可以将小型战术核武器直接击中目标时,巨大的核弹就毫无意义了。

    (核武器始终是摧毁敌人指挥中心的一种手段,而不是杀死大量平民的手段。)

    回复:@Anatoly Karlin

    , @RadicalCenter
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    你希望爆发一场大规模的常规战争,这样我们就可以看到很酷的武器被使用?

  16. @Polish Perspective
    读伯希德斯基关于欧尔班的文章令人痛苦地提醒我们,西方媒体对中东欧的报道是多么糟糕——不是因为列昂尼德的文章不好,而是恰恰相反。即使对于那些不同意欧尔班的人来说,他也能明智地做到这一点,同时也承认支撑欧尔班成功的真正问题。如今,在西方主流媒体中几乎不可能找到这一壮举。

    我也不认为伯希德斯基是东欧人这一事实与这种能力无关,而他的许多同事显然缺乏这种能力。

    甚至不仅仅是EE。这也与我之前对西方对中国的报道如此多的残暴和肤浅的哀叹不谋而合。大多数精英报纸的记者甚至都不是华裔,能说流利普通话的就更少了。这对于世界上最大的(按购买力平价计算)经济体而言。如果连中国这样重要得多的国家都受到如此粗心和无知的对待,匈牙利还有什么希望呢?西方所谓的俄罗斯“专家”有时甚至觉得他们不需要懂俄语。

    我的年龄还不够大,不知道早期的情况如何,但我很难相信以前的标准如此草率。似乎你的实际领域专业知识越来越不重要,真正重要的是你的意识形态一致性,除此之外别无其他。即使作为一个在意识形态上与贝尔希德斯基不同的人,阅读他的著作仍然是一种乐趣。这是我对记者最高的赞美,尤其是在我们今天生活的歇斯底里的气氛中。

    回复:@秦公、@jeppo

    现在有很多中国人为西方精英媒体报道中国,至少从推特的新闻报道来看是这样。他们只是碰巧都是与西方男性有关系的中国女性或彻头彻尾的同性恋者;也可能与西方男性发生关系。

    所以你得到的是由外国训练有素的第五专栏作家写的纯粹叛逆的生物列宁主义胡言乱语。

    正如史蒂夫·赛勒(Steve Sailer)指出的那样,媒体由于吸引该行业的女性过多而比传统上男性主导的行业更容易遭受性虐待。与直觉相反,在那里工作的女性越多,掌握权力的男性就越有可能利用它。

    由于缺乏语言设施,中国的英文媒体以及西方媒体的整个远东分社都依赖于稳定的当地买办和掮客。这些绝大多数都是雄心勃勃的年轻女性,会说英语,就像成群结队的才华横溢的年轻女孩涌向纽约或洛杉矶进入大联盟一样,为享有盛誉的西方出版社工作对她们来说是一个巨大的地位提升。负责的编辑都是被送到远东的普通中年男子,他们的招聘决定主要是由他们的阴茎决定的。那些迎合自己意识形态的性感年轻人会被雇用,而男人却不会。这就是西方媒体在亚洲的运作方式。

    • 回复: @Polish Perspective
    @秦公爵

    不过,大中华区的大多数分社社长仍然是白人,他们对普通话知之甚少甚至一无所知。我同意你的观点:招聘模式以及我们如何最终让许多具有自我仇恨(也反映在她们的婚姻模式)的中国女性成为白人男性酋长的低层记者。

    所有这些都意味着中国报道的质量非常糟糕。对于英语,我更喜欢阅读《南华早报》,因为它又回到了中国人手中。有趣的是,《纽约时报》写了一篇关于此事的抱怨文章,以及他们的报道如何反映这一点。

    以提升中国软实力为使命的香港报纸

    我认为自改革以来对中国的一个公平批评是,它过于关注“硬”融合(工业、经济、军事),而过于忽视“软”融合,主要是文化影响力等。值得赞扬的是,中国领导层似乎明白这一点(因此大力推广孔子学院等)。尽管他们在这方面还有些无能。孔子学院现在成为西方媒体的攻击目标,被认为是间谍窝点和颠覆活动,但抵抗力却很弱。中国人似乎也不明白,或者至少到目前为止,媒体是比正式机构影响力大得多的载体。

    尽管如此,他们似乎正在逐渐学习。购买报纸会大有帮助;希望《南华早报》不是最后一个。到目前为止,这是一个相当“防御性”的收购,因为它位于大中华区并专注于中国事务。我确信,如果中国在西方领土深处进行更具进攻性的采购,将会引起大量的抱怨,但我当然希望看到这种情况发生。这也意味着中国将在软影响力方面首次发起进攻。一些迟来的事情。

  17. @Thorfinnsson
    @波兰视角

    美国突然果断地采取行动保护其高科技产业免受中国侵害,这使得过去半个世纪以来美国工业基础保护的整体失败令人非常沮丧。在我的一生中,美国是世界上最大的机床生产国,但现在仅排名第六。还有很多其他的例子。正如马尔蒂亚诺夫海军上将喜欢提醒我们的那样,技术不仅仅是半导体和软件。

    本土半导体设计和制造行业的技术独立性还不止于此。半导体制造所需的资本设备和材料均来自美国和日本(唯一的例外是荷兰公司 ASML)。例如,半导体硅只能从信越化学公司获得(孟山都和瓦克化学已于 90 年代退出市场)。

    印度的民族主义心态比你想象的还要强烈。印度政府发起了 在印度制造 2014 年,印度电子产品进口量首次超过石油进口量后,印度发起了鼓励本土制造和创新的运动。

    http://www.makeinindia.com/home

    印度历史上在尝试与外国技术匹敌方面几乎没有取得成功。在它最努力的国防部门,失败的例子数不胜数,比如“光辉”轻型战斗机和“阿琼”坦克。

    但是,是的,允许 Flipkart 出售给美国人,并以充当西里佐格谷寡头的契约苦力为傲,并没有什么帮助。

    Prichai 和 Nadella 也无能。微软的收入现在停滞不前,谷歌的疯子们正在接管庇护所,而皮查伊的老板们则把股东的钱浪费在一系列无休无止的幼稚的愚蠢行为上。苹果公司的同性恋首席执行官蒂姆·库克虽然不是印度人,但他也是一个不值得赞扬的平庸之人。苹果公司的收入也停滞不前,不久之后,它的年度净利润就会被伯克希尔哈撒韦公司超越——伯克希尔哈撒韦公司是一家非科技公司,实际上缴纳了大量的企业所得税,其最大的单一运营部门是……一家铁路。

    无论微软喜欢与否,它都需要接受自己现在是一家企业软件公司的事实。明显的举措是考虑在该领域进行收购,例如 Salesforce.com、Intuit、SAP、Oracle 等。或者,它可能会放弃增长并转向收购。 大规模 在削减成本的同时增加回购和股息。这样的商业模式并没有什么问题——3G资本让它运行得非常好。

    谷歌受益于数字广告支出的增长速度持续快于整体经济增长的事实,但这种情况将在未来十年停止。它需要承认这只是一个他妈的广告平台,摆脱书呆子太空营的狗屎,解雇所有的 SJW,然后开始考虑大规模裁员。不过,它的企业产品(例如 G Suite)很好,不应该被放弃。谷歌在未来十年也可能比微软面临更大的危险,因为越来越多地使用个人助理进行搜索,并没有提供明显的广告销售方式(他们会雇用年老的电台 DJ 在 Alexa 上推销二手车吗?)。

    顺便问一下,Waymo 的商业计划是什么?谷歌不是汽车制造商,不太可能进入这样一个资本密集型和竞争激烈的行业。我怀疑谷歌的水果蛋糕、铅笔脖子和敏感的灵魂能否应对一个充满竞争和要求苛刻的客户的行业。他们是否计划将技术出租给传统汽车制造商?

    自从我提出这些问题以来,苹果公司有以下三种前进道路:

    1 - 接受它是一个豪华消费电子品牌,并开始收购索尼消费电子部门、Bang & Olufsen 等资产。你可能会说,收购 Beats 耳机表明他们接受了这一点,尽管世界上最富有的公司被一位推销产品的说唱歌手欺骗了。对于那些抢夺苹果实际客户的人来说,耳机并不是一个好兆头。

    2 - 复活史蒂夫·乔布斯,以便他们能够再次创造新产品。请让僵尸史蒂夫·乔布斯远离水果!

    3 - 为微软建议的股东喜爱模型。炸毁末日大厅虚荣总部并将其注销,然后将公司运营实际需要的工人重新安置到里诺郊区的一系列不起眼的钢结构建筑中。解雇蒂姆·库克并取而代之的是文斯·麦克马洪——一个真正懂得如何上演精彩表演的人。立即制定计划,开始将 300 亿美元的现金储备返还给股东。

    底线是,美国最大的科技公司一般都没有那么令人印象深刻:

    IBM - 一家专利流氓和咨询机构,伪装成一家科技公司,其主要产品是其股票

    惠普 - 一家犯罪企业,憎恨和害怕其产品是后过的客户

    亚马逊 - 一家涉足媒体的零售商和网络托管公司,绝对鄙视利润

    Facebook - 不喜欢

    真正的技术在英特尔和高通。

    回复:@songbird、@neutral、@anonymous coward

    你到底对一个果食主义者、僵尸史蒂夫·乔布斯有什么看法?

    比人的大脑更好的水果。此外,他们还可以让两个史蒂夫重聚。

  18. @Thorfinnsson
    @波兰视角

    美国突然果断地采取行动保护其高科技产业免受中国侵害,这使得过去半个世纪以来美国工业基础保护的整体失败令人非常沮丧。在我的一生中,美国是世界上最大的机床生产国,但现在仅排名第六。还有很多其他的例子。正如马尔蒂亚诺夫海军上将喜欢提醒我们的那样,技术不仅仅是半导体和软件。

    本土半导体设计和制造行业的技术独立性还不止于此。半导体制造所需的资本设备和材料均来自美国和日本(唯一的例外是荷兰公司 ASML)。例如,半导体硅只能从信越化学公司获得(孟山都和瓦克化学已于 90 年代退出市场)。

    印度的民族主义心态比你想象的还要强烈。印度政府发起了 在印度制造 2014 年,印度电子产品进口量首次超过石油进口量后,印度发起了鼓励本土制造和创新的运动。

    http://www.makeinindia.com/home

    印度历史上在尝试与外国技术匹敌方面几乎没有取得成功。在它最努力的国防部门,失败的例子数不胜数,比如“光辉”轻型战斗机和“阿琼”坦克。

    但是,是的,允许 Flipkart 出售给美国人,并以充当西里佐格谷寡头的契约苦力为傲,并没有什么帮助。

    Prichai 和 Nadella 也无能。微软的收入现在停滞不前,谷歌的疯子们正在接管庇护所,而皮查伊的老板们则把股东的钱浪费在一系列无休无止的幼稚的愚蠢行为上。苹果公司的同性恋首席执行官蒂姆·库克虽然不是印度人,但他也是一个不值得赞扬的平庸之人。苹果公司的收入也停滞不前,不久之后,它的年度净利润就会被伯克希尔哈撒韦公司超越——伯克希尔哈撒韦公司是一家非科技公司,实际上缴纳了大量的企业所得税,其最大的单一运营部门是……一家铁路。

    无论微软喜欢与否,它都需要接受自己现在是一家企业软件公司的事实。明显的举措是考虑在该领域进行收购,例如 Salesforce.com、Intuit、SAP、Oracle 等。或者,它可能会放弃增长并转向收购。 大规模 在削减成本的同时增加回购和股息。这样的商业模式并没有什么问题——3G资本让它运行得非常好。

    谷歌受益于数字广告支出的增长速度持续快于整体经济增长的事实,但这种情况将在未来十年停止。它需要承认这只是一个他妈的广告平台,摆脱书呆子太空营的狗屎,解雇所有的 SJW,然后开始考虑大规模裁员。不过,它的企业产品(例如 G Suite)很好,不应该被放弃。谷歌在未来十年也可能比微软面临更大的危险,因为越来越多地使用个人助理进行搜索,并没有提供明显的广告销售方式(他们会雇用年老的电台 DJ 在 Alexa 上推销二手车吗?)。

    顺便问一下,Waymo 的商业计划是什么?谷歌不是汽车制造商,不太可能进入这样一个资本密集型和竞争激烈的行业。我怀疑谷歌的水果蛋糕、铅笔脖子和敏感的灵魂能否应对一个充满竞争和要求苛刻的客户的行业。他们是否计划将技术出租给传统汽车制造商?

    自从我提出这些问题以来,苹果公司有以下三种前进道路:

    1 - 接受它是一个豪华消费电子品牌,并开始收购索尼消费电子部门、Bang & Olufsen 等资产。你可能会说,收购 Beats 耳机表明他们接受了这一点,尽管世界上最富有的公司被一位推销产品的说唱歌手欺骗了。对于那些抢夺苹果实际客户的人来说,耳机并不是一个好兆头。

    2 - 复活史蒂夫·乔布斯,以便他们能够再次创造新产品。请让僵尸史蒂夫·乔布斯远离水果!

    3 - 为微软建议的股东喜爱模型。炸毁末日大厅虚荣总部并将其注销,然后将公司运营实际需要的工人重新安置到里诺郊区的一系列不起眼的钢结构建筑中。解雇蒂姆·库克并取而代之的是文斯·麦克马洪——一个真正懂得如何上演精彩表演的人。立即制定计划,开始将 300 亿美元的现金储备返还给股东。

    底线是,美国最大的科技公司一般都没有那么令人印象深刻:

    IBM - 一家专利流氓和咨询机构,伪装成一家科技公司,其主要产品是其股票

    惠普 - 一家犯罪企业,憎恨和害怕其产品是后过的客户

    亚马逊 - 一家涉足媒体的零售商和网络托管公司,绝对鄙视利润

    Facebook - 不喜欢

    真正的技术在英特尔和高通。

    回复:@songbird、@neutral、@anonymous coward

    在我的一生中,美国是世界上最大的机床生产国,但现在仅排名第六。

    最终这些都不重要。当人口更替时(像你这样的第三世界人),外国人在异国他乡生产商品或服务,或者外国人在曾经是你自己的土地上生产,这是一回事。

    只有一个保守派才会愚蠢到让自己相信印度/中国人在美国生产机床是爱国主义,而他们在美国境外生产机床是对“国家安全”的威胁(当你不这样做时,你就不可能拥有国家安全)有一个国家)。

  19. @reiner Tor
    我只是对匈牙利在国外的报道感兴趣。我的猜测为零。

    匈牙利游泳联合会前主席(1993-2016),现任国际泳联副主席,也是一位有影响力的左翼媒体大亨(直到 2009 年,他在欧尔班上台之前失去了大部分媒体影响力),上周被捕(他已被逮捕)因与 24 年另一位左翼媒体大亨的合同谋杀案有关而被释放,但必须 7/1998 佩戴 GPS 设备并定期向警方报到。长期以来一直有传言是他下令谋杀的(他们是商业对手,个人互相仇恨,而在受害人的众多有影响力的竞争对手中,长期传闻他与黑社会有联系),所以我当然确信他确实是这么做的(真凶几年前就已经被定罪,但尚不清楚幕后黑手是谁。

    这很有趣,因为此案涉及最高政治层(显然是当时的自由派内政部长,也可能是已故的社会主义总理),并且表明对许多选民来说,对欧尔班腐败的指控是多么肤浅。我的意思是,我们以前的左翼精英实际上与契约杀人匪徒有联系。

    有趣的是,由于他在国际泳联的职位,塔马斯·贾法斯这个人有点国际化的个性,但我在国际媒体上没有看到太多关于此案的报道。

    回复:@ for-the-record

    但我在国际媒体上没有看到太多关于此案的报道。

    谷歌新闻搜索表明,“很多”可以安全地替换为“几乎任何”,如果仅限于人们听说过的媒体,则可以省略“几乎”。你确定你没有拼错他的名字吗?

    • 回复: @Greasy William
    @作为记录

    1.您对地球年龄和宇宙年龄有何看法?

    2. 你觉得玛丽在天主教堂中受到的崇拜程度是否超出了彻底崇拜的范围?

    3. 你接受圣经的内在性吗?

    回复:@German_reader、@Seamus Day、@RadicalCenter

    , @reiner Tor
    @作为记录

    不,我没有拼错他的名字。塔马斯·贾法斯。

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-swimming-hungary-gyarfas/hungarian-swimming-executive-denies-murder-of-business-rival-idUSKBN1HP2Z3

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ex-head-of-hungary-swim-federation-denies-murder-case-link/2018/04/18/66a32a8e-4310-11e8-b2dc-b0a403e4720a_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d299b13b56af

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/hungary-ex-chief-of-swim-federation-held-in-1998-slaying/2018/04/17/2f1924de-4283-11e8-b2dc-b0a403e4720a_story.html?utm_term=.62588e67b2b6

    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-04/21/c_137125959.htm

    https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1064352/fina-executive-member-gyarfas-denies-ordering-murder-of-rival-in-1998

    好吧,最后一个是一个完全晦涩难懂的来源,没有人听说过。他谋杀的那个人名叫亚诺斯·芬尼 (János Fenyő),是犹太人。我不确定贾法斯本人。

    回复:@ for-the-record

  20. @for-the-record
    @reiner托尔

    但我在国际媒体上没有看到太多关于此案的报道。

    谷歌新闻搜索表明,“很多”可以安全地替换为“几乎任何”,如果仅限于人们听说过的媒体,则可以省略“几乎”。你确定你没有拼错他的名字吗?

    回复:@Greasy William、@reiner Tor

    1.您对地球年龄和宇宙年龄有何看法?

    2. 你觉得玛丽在天主教堂中受到的崇拜程度是否超出了彻底崇拜的范围?

    3. 你接受圣经的内在性吗?

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    您是否正遭受某种信仰危机(考虑皈依基督教?)或者您为什么问这个问题?

    回复:@Greasy William

    , @Seamus Day
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    1.您对地球年龄和宇宙年龄有何看法?

    2. 你觉得玛丽在天主教堂中受到的崇拜程度是否超出了彻底崇拜的范围?

    3. 你接受圣经的内在性吗?
     
    3)这是一个新教的想法,并且是一个相对较新的想法(19世纪)。它当然不是历史的、礼拜仪式的基督教的一部分。圣经无误的观念建立在新教唯独圣经的基本原则之上,即圣经是基督教真理的支柱和基础的观念。这是愚蠢的,因为圣经本身说:“教会是真理的柱石和堡垒。” (提摩太前书 1:3,修订标准版)。当然,教会先于圣经正典而存在,并且是教会无误地决定了哪些书籍将包含在圣经正典中(次经书籍,例如西拉赫等人)以及哪些书籍将被排除在外(伪书)作品,例如彼得福音)。所有天主教教义都源自圣经,包括圣母升天。而且天主教会对于《圣经》的热爱并不比新教徒少,毕竟那是天主教会的书。

    2)为什么天主教会如此尊崇玛利亚?因为神做到了。因为上帝的天使做到了。为什么她配得上天使的称号“充满恩典”?因为玛丽是一个受造物所能达到的充满恩典的人。她与三位一体的神三重联合。圣父完美的女儿,圣子完美的母亲,圣灵完美的配偶。玛丽是上帝创造的最美丽的生物。高举她就是高举她神圣的创造者,她是他的精神女儿,高举她的神圣儿子,她是他的人类母亲,她生育了他的人性,并高举她神圣的配偶圣灵,他在她的子宫里孕育了他。天主教会将她视为三位一体神的至高无上的人类女仆。

    1)我认为现代宇宙学认为大爆炸发生在10^9年前。这是一位比利时天主教神父和理论物理学家神父。乔治·勒梅特 (Georges Lemaître),被认为是大爆炸理论的鼻祖。 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lemaître

    以下是您感兴趣的演讲:Greasy:
    https://youtu.be/8F7eIrh80V8

    回复:@Greasy William、@Seamus Day、@Thorfinnsson、@RadicalCenter

    , @RadicalCenter
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    1. 我们通过运用理性和科学方法所发现的一切,都是关于我们星球年龄的发现。每当神创造它时,他就创造它。

    2. 不。

    3. 不。

    这是一本由容易犯错的人写的书,他们有自己的偏见、不可告人的动机和缺陷。它包含哲学见解、对人性和行为的有用观察,以及关于如何对待彼此的极好建议,从而走向一个更加和谐、更加友善的社会和世界。

    但在《旧约》中,它也包含了一些无聊且无关紧要的古代家谱,恶毒的犹太至上主义对军事胜利过程中残酷行为的庆祝(高兴地将敌人婴儿的头撞在岩石上),以及重复的结论性华丽的内容。语言无足轻重。

    圣经:一些最美丽的想法和可行的规则被制定出来,淹没在废话和根本不重要的事情中。

    将旧约的一些内容与新约的大部分内容放在一起,我们就有了一个组织我们的生活和社会的良好起点。但还有其他来源提供了有用的见解、观察和建议,我们也应该考虑和辩论它们,使用任何与我们的道德价值观不相抵触的作品。

  21. @Greasy William
    @作为记录

    1.您对地球年龄和宇宙年龄有何看法?

    2. 你觉得玛丽在天主教堂中受到的崇拜程度是否超出了彻底崇拜的范围?

    3. 你接受圣经的内在性吗?

    回复:@German_reader、@Seamus Day、@RadicalCenter

    您是否正遭受某种信仰危机(考虑皈依基督教?)或者您为什么问这个问题?

    • 回复: @Greasy William
    @German_reader

    这不是信仰危机,但我从小就是基督徒,所以我一直对基督教神学保持着兴趣。

    上周,当我对法蒂玛感兴趣时,我开始阅读更多的基督教材料,所以我想听听信徒的想法。

    回复:@German_reader、@for-the-record、@for-the-record

  22. @German_reader
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    您是否正遭受某种信仰危机(考虑皈依基督教?)或者您为什么问这个问题?

    回复:@Greasy William

    这不是信仰危机,但我从小就是基督徒,所以我一直对基督教神学保持着兴趣。

    上周,当我对法蒂玛感兴趣时,我开始阅读更多的基督教材料,所以我想听听信徒的想法。

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    我从小就是基督徒
     
    这确实令我惊讶。
    不确定你会在 AK 的评论员中找到很多信徒,但也许有人会回答你的问题,这可能很有趣。
    , @for-the-record
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    上周,当我对法蒂玛感兴趣时,我开始阅读更多的基督教材料,所以我想听听信徒的想法。

    那么你为何问我?

    我什么时候说过我是一个“信徒”,因为我不是,至少在传统意义上不是。我倾向于相信,我们是在另一个宇宙(或维度)进行实验室实验的结果,相互竞争的团队试图影响结果。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    , @for-the-record
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    这不是信仰危机,但我从小就是基督徒,所以我一直对基督教神学保持着兴趣。

    那么,是什么让你皈依了这个宗教,而这个宗教的信徒自愿、公开地承担了你前任导师流血的责任(马太福音 27:24-25)?

    回复:@DFH、@Greasy William

  23. 不用说,俄罗斯很幸运没有在非洲建立任何殖民地。与此同时,德国很幸运在第一次世界大战期间失去了殖民地,但其统治阶级却浪费了第一次世界大战的一个成果,这对德国来说是积极的。

    • 回复: @Mitleser
    @鸣禽

    在德国士兵在那里战斗并牺牲之后,将南西非定居者殖民地纳入德国是件好事,也是值得的。

    http://abload.de/img/2015-11-0813.45.37lnu58.jpg

    回复:@songbird

  24. @Greasy William
    @German_reader

    这不是信仰危机,但我从小就是基督徒,所以我一直对基督教神学保持着兴趣。

    上周,当我对法蒂玛感兴趣时,我开始阅读更多的基督教材料,所以我想听听信徒的想法。

    回复:@German_reader、@for-the-record、@for-the-record

    我从小就是基督徒

    这确实令我惊讶。
    不确定你会在 AK 的评论员中找到很多信徒,但也许有人会回答你的问题,这可能很有趣。

  25. 激光:
    如果文章中的图表正确的话,他们在 1 年左右就达到了 1995PW,并希望在 10 年达到 2018PW。
    这不是 10 年内的 3 倍,而是 10 年内的 23 倍(希望的倍数)。
    然而他们很快就谈到了另一个 100 的因数。

    遗憾。他们认为 30PW(以及更高的频率)可能会实现聚变——但我没有看到关于是否存在启动聚变的发电能力的评论。

    图形:

  26. @German_reader
    @reiner托尔

    我真的很想知道 Reddit 的评论是否真实……真的有普通大众吗? 反俄?


    NBF:激光的功率每 3 年增强 XNUMX 倍,很快 Exawatt 激光将解锁聚变等等
     
    这听起来很有趣,显然我不了解技术细节,但是关于核聚变的任何事情都令人兴奋。

    回复:@Singh、@Anatoly Karlin

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @Anatoly卡琳

    哇,令人不安的疯狂评论。
    绝对不理智,很难理解这些人。

  27. @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    是的。

    这也许是你的例子:https://np.reddit.com/r/Enough_Sanders_Spam/comments/5mttx2/fuck_ Russia/

    回复:@German_reader

    哇,令人不安的疯狂评论。
    绝对不理智,很难理解这些人。

  28. @Greasy William
    @作为记录

    1.您对地球年龄和宇宙年龄有何看法?

    2. 你觉得玛丽在天主教堂中受到的崇拜程度是否超出了彻底崇拜的范围?

    3. 你接受圣经的内在性吗?

    回复:@German_reader、@Seamus Day、@RadicalCenter

    1.您对地球年龄和宇宙年龄有何看法?

    2. 你觉得玛丽在天主教堂中受到的崇拜程度是否超出了彻底崇拜的范围?

    3. 你接受圣经的内在性吗?

    3)这是一个新教的想法,并且是一个相对较新的想法(19世纪)。它当然不是历史的、礼拜仪式的基督教的一部分。圣经无误的观念建立在新教唯独圣经的基本原则之上,即圣经是基督教真理的支柱和基础的观念。这是愚蠢的,因为圣经本身说:“教会是真理的柱石和堡垒。” (提摩太前书 1:3,修订标准版)。当然,教会先于圣经正典而存在,并且是教会无误地决定了哪些书籍将包含在圣经正典中(次经书籍,例如西拉赫等人)以及哪些书籍将被排除在外(伪书)作品,例如彼得福音)。所有天主教教义都源自圣经,包括圣母升天。而且天主教会对于《圣经》的热爱并不比新教徒少,毕竟那是天主教会的书。

    2)为什么天主教会如此尊崇玛利亚?因为神做到了。因为上帝的天使做到了。为什么她配得上天使的称号“充满恩典”?因为玛丽是一个受造物所能达到的充满恩典的人。她与三位一体的神三重联合。圣父完美的女儿,圣子完美的母亲,圣灵完美的配偶。玛丽是上帝创造的最美丽的生物。高举她就是高举她神圣的创造者,她是他的精神女儿,高举她的神圣儿子,她是他的人类母亲,她生育了他的人性,并高举她神圣的配偶圣灵,他在她的子宫里孕育了他。天主教会将她视为三位一体神的至高无上的人类女仆。

    1)我认为现代宇宙学认为大爆炸发生在10^9年前。这是一位比利时天主教神父和理论物理学家神父。乔治·勒梅特 (Georges Lemaître),被认为是大爆炸理论的鼻祖。 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lemaître

    以下是您感兴趣的演讲:Greasy:

    • 回复: @Greasy William
    @Seamus 日

    谢谢。

    我没有意识到天主教会拒绝圣经的内在性。

    回复:@Seamus Day

    , @Seamus Day
    @Seamus 日

    不,我没有提及天主教关于无误性的立场。刚刚批评了新教对唯独圣经的立场。天主教的立场认为圣经是无误的,它包含没有错误的真理。但无误性并不排除使用寓言、寓言、隐喻、诗歌或任何不旨在被理解为字面真理的思想表达。

    回复:@RadicalCenter

    , @Thorfinnsson
    @Seamus 日

    肮脏的天主教徒。

    回复:@RadicalCenter

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Seamus 日

    旧约是专门天主教会的书吗?可疑。

    旧约中哪些内容是在耶稣出生之后写的?

  29. @Seamus Day
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    1.您对地球年龄和宇宙年龄有何看法?

    2. 你觉得玛丽在天主教堂中受到的崇拜程度是否超出了彻底崇拜的范围?

    3. 你接受圣经的内在性吗?
     
    3)这是一个新教的想法,并且是一个相对较新的想法(19世纪)。它当然不是历史的、礼拜仪式的基督教的一部分。圣经无误的观念建立在新教唯独圣经的基本原则之上,即圣经是基督教真理的支柱和基础的观念。这是愚蠢的,因为圣经本身说:“教会是真理的柱石和堡垒。” (提摩太前书 1:3,修订标准版)。当然,教会先于圣经正典而存在,并且是教会无误地决定了哪些书籍将包含在圣经正典中(次经书籍,例如西拉赫等人)以及哪些书籍将被排除在外(伪书)作品,例如彼得福音)。所有天主教教义都源自圣经,包括圣母升天。而且天主教会对于《圣经》的热爱并不比新教徒少,毕竟那是天主教会的书。

    2)为什么天主教会如此尊崇玛利亚?因为神做到了。因为上帝的天使做到了。为什么她配得上天使的称号“充满恩典”?因为玛丽是一个受造物所能达到的充满恩典的人。她与三位一体的神三重联合。圣父完美的女儿,圣子完美的母亲,圣灵完美的配偶。玛丽是上帝创造的最美丽的生物。高举她就是高举她神圣的创造者,她是他的精神女儿,高举她的神圣儿子,她是他的人类母亲,她生育了他的人性,并高举她神圣的配偶圣灵,他在她的子宫里孕育了他。天主教会将她视为三位一体神的至高无上的人类女仆。

    1)我认为现代宇宙学认为大爆炸发生在10^9年前。这是一位比利时天主教神父和理论物理学家神父。乔治·勒梅特 (Georges Lemaître),被认为是大爆炸理论的鼻祖。 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lemaître

    以下是您感兴趣的演讲:Greasy:
    https://youtu.be/8F7eIrh80V8

    回复:@Greasy William、@Seamus Day、@Thorfinnsson、@RadicalCenter

    谢谢。

    我没有意识到天主教会拒绝圣经的内在性。

    • 回复: @Seamus Day
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    参见回复#30

  30. @Seamus Day
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    1.您对地球年龄和宇宙年龄有何看法?

    2. 你觉得玛丽在天主教堂中受到的崇拜程度是否超出了彻底崇拜的范围?

    3. 你接受圣经的内在性吗?
     
    3)这是一个新教的想法,并且是一个相对较新的想法(19世纪)。它当然不是历史的、礼拜仪式的基督教的一部分。圣经无误的观念建立在新教唯独圣经的基本原则之上,即圣经是基督教真理的支柱和基础的观念。这是愚蠢的,因为圣经本身说:“教会是真理的柱石和堡垒。” (提摩太前书 1:3,修订标准版)。当然,教会先于圣经正典而存在,并且是教会无误地决定了哪些书籍将包含在圣经正典中(次经书籍,例如西拉赫等人)以及哪些书籍将被排除在外(伪书)作品,例如彼得福音)。所有天主教教义都源自圣经,包括圣母升天。而且天主教会对于《圣经》的热爱并不比新教徒少,毕竟那是天主教会的书。

    2)为什么天主教会如此尊崇玛利亚?因为神做到了。因为上帝的天使做到了。为什么她配得上天使的称号“充满恩典”?因为玛丽是一个受造物所能达到的充满恩典的人。她与三位一体的神三重联合。圣父完美的女儿,圣子完美的母亲,圣灵完美的配偶。玛丽是上帝创造的最美丽的生物。高举她就是高举她神圣的创造者,她是他的精神女儿,高举她的神圣儿子,她是他的人类母亲,她生育了他的人性,并高举她神圣的配偶圣灵,他在她的子宫里孕育了他。天主教会将她视为三位一体神的至高无上的人类女仆。

    1)我认为现代宇宙学认为大爆炸发生在10^9年前。这是一位比利时天主教神父和理论物理学家神父。乔治·勒梅特 (Georges Lemaître),被认为是大爆炸理论的鼻祖。 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lemaître

    以下是您感兴趣的演讲:Greasy:
    https://youtu.be/8F7eIrh80V8

    回复:@Greasy William、@Seamus Day、@Thorfinnsson、@RadicalCenter

    不,我没有提及天主教关于无误性的立场。刚刚批评了新教对唯独圣经的立场。天主教的立场认为圣经是无误的,它包含没有错误的真理。但无误性并不排除使用寓言、寓言、隐喻、诗歌或任何不旨在被理解为字面真理的思想表达。

    • 回复: @RadicalCenter
    @Seamus 日

    根据《利未记》第 20 章,同性恋者应被处死,这是神的话无误吗?所有的翻译似乎都清楚地包含了这个元素。这是否意味着上帝会处死他们(艾滋病毒?) 或者其他人应该杀死他们?

    根据诗篇 137:9,将敌人婴儿的头砸在岩石上以示报复,这是上帝无误的话语吗?

    好。

  31. @Greasy William
    @Seamus 日

    谢谢。

    我没有意识到天主教会拒绝圣经的内在性。

    回复:@Seamus Day

    参见回复#30

  32. @Duke of Qin
    @波兰视角

    现在有很多中国人为西方精英媒体报道中国,至少从推特的新闻报道来看是这样。他们只是碰巧都是与西方男性有关系的中国女性或彻头彻尾的同性恋者;也可能与西方男性发生关系。

    所以你得到的是由外国训练有素的第五专栏作家写的纯粹叛逆的生物列宁主义胡言乱语。

    正如史蒂夫·赛勒(Steve Sailer)指出的那样,媒体由于吸引该行业的女性过多而比传统上男性主导的行业更容易遭受性虐待。与直觉相反,在那里工作的女性越多,掌握权力的男性就越有可能利用它。

    由于缺乏语言设施,中国的英文媒体以及西方媒体的整个远东分社都依赖于稳定的当地买办和掮客。这些人绝大多数都是雄心勃勃的年轻女性,会说英语,就像成群结队的才华横溢的年轻女孩涌向纽约或洛杉矶进入大联盟一样,为享有盛誉的西方出版社工作对她们来说是一个巨大的地位提升。负责的编辑都是被送到远东的普通中年男子,他们的招聘决定主要是由他们的阴茎决定的。那些迎合自己意识形态的性感年轻人会被雇用,而男人却不会。这就是西方媒体在亚洲的运作方式。

    回复:@Polish Perspective

    不过,大中华区的大多数分社社长仍然是白人,他们对普通话知之甚少甚至一无所知。我同意你的观点:招聘模式以及我们如何最终让许多具有自我仇恨(也反映在她们的婚姻模式)的中国女性成为白人男性酋长的低层记者。

    所有这些都意味着中国报道的质量非常糟糕。对于英语,我更喜欢阅读《南华早报》,因为它又回到了中国人手中。有趣的是,《纽约时报》写了一篇关于此事的抱怨文章,以及他们的报道如何反映这一点。

    以提升中国软实力为使命的香港报纸

    我认为自改革以来对中国的一个公平批评是,它过于关注“硬”融合(工业、经济、军事),而过于忽视“软”融合,主要是文化影响力等。值得赞扬的是,中国领导层似乎明白这一点(因此大力推广孔子学院等)。尽管他们在这方面还有些无能。孔子学院现在成为西方媒体的攻击目标,被认为是间谍窝点和颠覆活动,但抵抗力却很弱。中国人似乎也不明白,或者至少到目前为止,媒体是比正式机构影响力大得多的载体。

    尽管如此,他们似乎正在逐渐学习。购买报纸会大有帮助;希望《南华早报》不是最后一个。到目前为止,这是一个相当“防御性”的收购,因为它位于大中华区并专注于中国事务。我确信,如果中国在西方领土深处进行更具进攻性的采购,将会引起大量的抱怨,但我当然希望看到这种情况发生。这也意味着中国将在软影响力方面首次发起进攻。一些迟来的事情。

  33. @Seamus Day
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    1.您对地球年龄和宇宙年龄有何看法?

    2. 你觉得玛丽在天主教堂中受到的崇拜程度是否超出了彻底崇拜的范围?

    3. 你接受圣经的内在性吗?
     
    3)这是一个新教的想法,并且是一个相对较新的想法(19世纪)。它当然不是历史的、礼拜仪式的基督教的一部分。圣经无误的观念建立在新教唯独圣经的基本原则之上,即圣经是基督教真理的支柱和基础的观念。这是愚蠢的,因为圣经本身说:“教会是真理的柱石和堡垒。” (提摩太前书 1:3,修订标准版)。当然,教会先于圣经正典而存在,并且是教会无误地决定了哪些书籍将包含在圣经正典中(次经书籍,例如西拉赫等人)以及哪些书籍将被排除在外(伪书)作品,例如彼得福音)。所有天主教教义都源自圣经,包括圣母升天。而且天主教会对于《圣经》的热爱并不比新教徒少,毕竟那是天主教会的书。

    2)为什么天主教会如此尊崇玛利亚?因为神做到了。因为上帝的天使做到了。为什么她配得上天使的称号“充满恩典”?因为玛丽是一个受造物所能达到的充满恩典的人。她与三位一体的神三重联合。圣父完美的女儿,圣子完美的母亲,圣灵完美的配偶。玛丽是上帝创造的最美丽的生物。高举她就是高举她神圣的创造者,她是他的精神女儿,高举她的神圣儿子,她是他的人类母亲,她生育了他的人性,并高举她神圣的配偶圣灵,他在她的子宫里孕育了他。天主教会将她视为三位一体神的至高无上的人类女仆。

    1)我认为现代宇宙学认为大爆炸发生在10^9年前。这是一位比利时天主教神父和理论物理学家神父。乔治·勒梅特 (Georges Lemaître),被认为是大爆炸理论的鼻祖。 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lemaître

    以下是您感兴趣的演讲:Greasy:
    https://youtu.be/8F7eIrh80V8

    回复:@Greasy William、@Seamus Day、@Thorfinnsson、@RadicalCenter

    肮脏的天主教徒。

    • 回复: @RadicalCenter
    @托尔芬森

    厌倦了你们这些狗屎,非理性粗鲁的天主教狂热分子和非理性粗鲁的反天主教狂热分子。所以让我粗鲁地回报一下。普通人不喜欢你们两个狂热傻瓜阵营的什么?

    假装确定我们无法确定的事情,并对那些指出你不知道也不可能真正了解的人的信仰、善意、智力或“圣经知识”提出质疑你声称自己确切地知道。

    表现得好像其他基督教教派的人都不是真正的基督徒,甚至不是好人。

    新教关于 RC 崇拜玛丽的废话。还有关于玛丽是圣灵的配偶、神职人员与教会联姻等令人毛骨悚然的RC言论。

    争论一些实际上并不重要的事情,而且教会本身已经改变了立场,比如转世。

    期望其他人接受你的争论——或者只是断言或猜测——因为你用大写字母和“章节”引用了《圣经》。

    相信那些遵循黄金法则生活并忠实、诚实、勤奋、和平、仁慈、合理地生活的人,如果他们不相信耶稣是神或神的儿子,或者即使他们相信但属于“错误”的教派。

    行话。该死的行话。 RC 和浸信会这两个我们都熟悉的教派有很多奇怪的、令人反感的行话,常常无法说明问题。它可能被用来让事情听起来更戏剧化、更重要、更令人印象深刻、更有权威,但它只是让人困惑并且听起来很荒谬。行话还被用来让信徒感觉他们是一个非会员无法理解的特殊精英俱乐部的一部分。

    回复:@German_reader、@German_reader、@Anatoly Karlin、@Thorfinnsson

  34. @for-the-record
    @reiner托尔

    但我在国际媒体上没有看到太多关于此案的报道。

    谷歌新闻搜索表明,“很多”可以安全地替换为“几乎任何”,如果仅限于人们听说过的媒体,则可以省略“几乎”。你确定你没有拼错他的名字吗?

    回复:@Greasy William、@reiner Tor

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @reiner托尔

    不,我没有拼错他的名字。塔马斯·贾法斯。

    我知道,有人开玩笑地强调谷歌搜索结果的稀缺性!我想也许应该使用表情符号,但我太老了。

    回复:@reiner Tor

  35. @Thorfinnsson
    @波兰视角

    美国突然果断地采取行动保护其高科技产业免受中国侵害,这使得过去半个世纪以来美国工业基础保护的整体失败令人非常沮丧。在我的一生中,美国是世界上最大的机床生产国,但现在仅排名第六。还有很多其他的例子。正如马尔蒂亚诺夫海军上将喜欢提醒我们的那样,技术不仅仅是半导体和软件。

    本土半导体设计和制造行业的技术独立性还不止于此。半导体制造所需的资本设备和材料均来自美国和日本(唯一的例外是荷兰公司 ASML)。例如,半导体硅只能从信越化学公司获得(孟山都和瓦克化学已于 90 年代退出市场)。

    印度的民族主义心态比你想象的还要强烈。印度政府发起了 在印度制造 2014 年,印度电子产品进口量首次超过石油进口量后,印度发起了鼓励本土制造和创新的运动。

    http://www.makeinindia.com/home

    印度历史上在尝试与外国技术匹敌方面几乎没有取得成功。在它最努力的国防部门,失败的例子数不胜数,比如“光辉”轻型战斗机和“阿琼”坦克。

    但是,是的,允许 Flipkart 出售给美国人,并以充当西里佐格谷寡头的契约苦力为傲,并没有什么帮助。

    Prichai 和 Nadella 也无能。微软的收入现在停滞不前,谷歌的疯子们正在接管庇护所,而皮查伊的老板们则把股东的钱浪费在一系列无休无止的幼稚的愚蠢行为上。苹果公司的同性恋首席执行官蒂姆·库克虽然不是印度人,但他也是一个不值得赞扬的平庸之人。苹果公司的收入也停滞不前,不久之后,它的年度净利润就会被伯克希尔哈撒韦公司超越——伯克希尔哈撒韦公司是一家非科技公司,实际上缴纳了大量的企业所得税,其最大的单一运营部门是……一家铁路。

    无论微软喜欢与否,它都需要接受自己现在是一家企业软件公司的事实。明显的举措是考虑在该领域进行收购,例如 Salesforce.com、Intuit、SAP、Oracle 等。或者,它可能会放弃增长并转向收购。 大规模 在削减成本的同时增加回购和股息。这样的商业模式并没有什么问题——3G资本让它运行得非常好。

    谷歌受益于数字广告支出的增长速度持续快于整体经济增长的事实,但这种情况将在未来十年停止。它需要承认这只是一个他妈的广告平台,摆脱书呆子太空营的狗屎,解雇所有的 SJW,然后开始考虑大规模裁员。不过,它的企业产品(例如 G Suite)很好,不应该被放弃。谷歌在未来十年也可能比微软面临更大的危险,因为越来越多地使用个人助理进行搜索,并没有提供明显的广告销售方式(他们会雇用年老的电台 DJ 在 Alexa 上推销二手车吗?)。

    顺便问一下,Waymo 的商业计划是什么?谷歌不是汽车制造商,不太可能进入这样一个资本密集型和竞争激烈的行业。我怀疑谷歌的水果蛋糕、铅笔脖子和敏感的灵魂能否应对一个充满竞争和要求苛刻的客户的行业。他们是否计划将技术出租给传统汽车制造商?

    自从我提出这些问题以来,苹果公司有以下三种前进道路:

    1 - 接受它是一个豪华消费电子品牌,并开始收购索尼消费电子部门、Bang & Olufsen 等资产。你可能会说,收购 Beats 耳机表明他们接受了这一点,尽管世界上最富有的公司被一位推销产品的说唱歌手欺骗了。对于那些抢夺苹果实际客户的人来说,耳机并不是一个好兆头。

    2 - 复活史蒂夫·乔布斯,以便他们能够再次创造新产品。请让僵尸史蒂夫·乔布斯远离水果!

    3 - 为微软建议的股东喜爱模型。炸毁末日大厅虚荣总部并将其注销,然后将公司运营实际需要的工人重新安置到里诺郊区的一系列不起眼的钢结构建筑中。解雇蒂姆·库克并取而代之的是文斯·麦克马洪——一个真正懂得如何上演精彩表演的人。立即制定计划,开始将 300 亿美元的现金储备返还给股东。

    底线是,美国最大的科技公司一般都没有那么令人印象深刻:

    IBM - 一家专利流氓和咨询机构,伪装成一家科技公司,其主要产品是其股票

    惠普 - 一家犯罪企业,憎恨和害怕其产品是后过的客户

    亚马逊 - 一家涉足媒体的零售商和网络托管公司,绝对鄙视利润

    Facebook - 不喜欢

    真正的技术在英特尔和高通。

    回复:@songbird、@neutral、@anonymous coward

    他们是否计划将技术出租给传统汽车制造商?

    不,他们计划亏本出售,然后通过监视你的驾驶模式来收回成本。 (同样的犯罪计划成功地让 Android 占据主导地位。)

  36. @Greasy William
    关于激光的事情是它开启了基于激光的导弹防御的可能性。

    但不要太兴奋,五角大楼表示在 2070 年之前不会部署针对中程火箭/导弹的激光防御系统。

    防弹导弹防御系统最伟大的一点是它可以消除核武器,因此自二战以来大国第一次有可能发生常规冲突。我们拥有所有这些很酷的军事技术,但我们从未看到它被使用,所以也许将来我们最终会看到它被使用。

    编辑:SyrianGirl 或她现在自称的任何东西都是混蛋

    回复:@匿名懦夫,@RadicalCenter

    自二战以来,大国首次有可能发生常规冲突

    即使在今天,利用当今的技术,也没有什么可以阻止我们发生传统冲突。两点:

    a) 用核弹进行大规模屠杀没有任何军事意义。

    b) 战术核武器的威力不如大型常规炸弹。

    大型核武器的军备竞赛是一个历史产物——在 60 年代和 70 年代,精确制导导弹还不存在,因此必须用原始破坏力来弥补精度的缺乏。

    如今,当你可以将小型战术核武器直接击中目标时,巨大的核弹就毫无意义了。

    (核武器始终是摧毁敌人指挥中心的一种手段,而不是杀死大量平民的手段。)

    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
    @匿名co夫

    在所有方面都是错误的。

    1. 当然,人口中心是目标(对价)。是的,在全面战争中,消灭敌方人口无疑是一个主要好处,即使仅次于攻击敌方核力量(反作用力)、常规军事资产和工业基础。

    2、最大的非核炸弹是最近的俄罗斯炸弹之父(44吨TNT当量);第二大的是美国炸弹之母(11吨TNT)。

    最小的战术核武器系统 曾经 建造了装满10-20吨TNT的M-388弹头,由戴维·克罗克特无后坐力炮发射。它于 1960 世纪 1 年代末退役。现代战术核武器通常装载 100 至 1,000 吨,即 100,000 至 XNUMX 吨 TNT。比 MOAB/FOAB 强大许多数量级..

  37. @Greasy William
    @German_reader

    这不是信仰危机,但我从小就是基督徒,所以我一直对基督教神学保持着兴趣。

    上周,当我对法蒂玛感兴趣时,我开始阅读更多的基督教材料,所以我想听听信徒的想法。

    回复:@German_reader、@for-the-record、@for-the-record

    上周,当我对法蒂玛感兴趣时,我开始阅读更多的基督教材料,所以我想听听信徒的想法。

    那么你为何问我?

    我什么时候说过我是一个“信徒”,因为我不是,至少在传统意义上不是。我倾向于相信,我们是在另一个宇宙(或维度)进行实验室实验的结果,相互竞争的团队试图影响结果。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @作为记录


    (核武器始终是摧毁敌人指挥中心的一种手段,而不是杀死大量平民的手段。)
     
    如果他们没有杀死大量平民,那么核战争就不会被认为比常规世界大战更可怕。

    精确有时是很困难的,因为目标本身被保护得很好,但要保护目标周围直径几公里的一圈就没那么容易了。我不确定核弹头要击中多近才能摧毁一艘航空母舰,但我确信它至少在几公里之外。

    回复:@for-the-record、@anonymous coward、@songbird

  38. @Greasy William
    @German_reader

    这不是信仰危机,但我从小就是基督徒,所以我一直对基督教神学保持着兴趣。

    上周,当我对法蒂玛感兴趣时,我开始阅读更多的基督教材料,所以我想听听信徒的想法。

    回复:@German_reader、@for-the-record、@for-the-record

    这不是信仰危机,但我从小就是基督徒,所以我一直对基督教神学保持着兴趣。

    那么,是什么让你皈依了这个宗教,而这个宗教的信徒自愿、公开地承担了你前任导师流血的责任(马太福音 27:24-25)?

    • 回复: @DFH
    @作为记录


    弟兄们,你们效法了犹太地在基督耶稣里的上帝教会。你们遭受了自己同胞的痛苦,正如他们遭受了犹太人的痛苦一样,犹太人杀害了主耶稣和他们自己的先知,还把我们赶了出去。他们令神不悦,对所有人怀有敌意,阻碍我们告诉外邦人如何得救。结果,他们继续把自己的罪孽堆积得满满的。极大的愤怒临到了他们。
    1 Thessalonians 2:14-16
     

    “亚伯拉罕是我们的父亲,”他们(犹太人)回答道。
    耶稣说:“如果你们是亚伯拉罕的子孙,你们就会做亚伯拉罕所做的事。事实上,你正在寻找一种方法来杀死我,一个告诉你我从上帝那里听到的真相的人。亚伯拉罕没有做这样的事。你正在做你父亲的工作。”
    “我们不是私生子,”他们抗议道。 “我们唯一的父亲就是上帝自己。”
    耶稣对他们说:“如果神是你们的父亲,你们就会爱我,因为我是从神那里来的。我不是自己来的;上帝派我来的。为什么我的语言你听不清楚?因为你听不到我说的话。你属于你的父亲,魔鬼,你想实现你父亲的愿望。他从一开始就是一个杀人犯,不坚持真理,因为他里面没有真理。当他撒谎时,他说的是他的母语,因为他是一个骗子,也是谎言之父。但因为我说的是实话,你们不相信我!
    John 8:39-45
     
    , @Greasy William
    @作为记录


    那么,是什么让你皈依了这个宗教,而这个宗教的信徒自愿、公开地承担了你前任导师流血的责任(马太福音 27:24-25)?
     
    我没有转换。我是犹太人,母亲是犹太人。碰巧的是,我妈妈非常讨厌犹太教,所以我是在我的 WASP 父亲半途而废的美式基督教中长大的,尽管也有一些非常零星的犹太节日庆祝活动。

    在高中时,我开始靠自己的力量拥抱真正的基督教(长话),然后失去信仰(长话),成为一个好战的、然后冷漠的无神论者(长话)。

    犹太教随之而来(说来话长)。

    回复:@ for-the-record

  39. @reiner Tor
    @作为记录

    不,我没有拼错他的名字。塔马斯·贾法斯。

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-swimming-hungary-gyarfas/hungarian-swimming-executive-denies-murder-of-business-rival-idUSKBN1HP2Z3

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ex-head-of-hungary-swim-federation-denies-murder-case-link/2018/04/18/66a32a8e-4310-11e8-b2dc-b0a403e4720a_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d299b13b56af

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/hungary-ex-chief-of-swim-federation-held-in-1998-slaying/2018/04/17/2f1924de-4283-11e8-b2dc-b0a403e4720a_story.html?utm_term=.62588e67b2b6

    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-04/21/c_137125959.htm

    https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1064352/fina-executive-member-gyarfas-denies-ordering-murder-of-rival-in-1998

    好吧,最后一个是一个完全晦涩难懂的来源,没有人听说过。他谋杀的那个人名叫亚诺斯·芬尼 (János Fenyő),是犹太人。我不确定贾法斯本人。

    回复:@ for-the-record

    不,我没有拼错他的名字。塔马斯·贾法斯。

    我知道,有人开玩笑地强调谷歌搜索结果的稀缺性!我想也许应该使用表情符号,但我太老了。

    • 哈哈: reiner Tor
    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @作为记录

    好的。我女儿病了,我需要大约两倍的睡眠时间。从评论的早期就可以看出。 (应转换为 CET。)

    回复:@RadicalCenter

  40. Epigon 图表...
    如果你假设所有的国际事物都是零和的,那么他们并没有错。也许不是对定居理论研究的苍白的报复,乔斯的随和性和摩尼教倾向。

  41. @for-the-record
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    上周,当我对法蒂玛感兴趣时,我开始阅读更多的基督教材料,所以我想听听信徒的想法。

    那么你为何问我?

    我什么时候说过我是一个“信徒”,因为我不是,至少在传统意义上不是。我倾向于相信,我们是在另一个宇宙(或维度)进行实验室实验的结果,相互竞争的团队试图影响结果。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    (核武器始终是摧毁敌人指挥中心的一种手段,而不是杀死大量平民的手段。)

    如果他们没有杀死大量平民,那么核战争就不会被认为比常规世界大战更可怕。

    精确有时是很困难的,因为目标本身被保护得很好,但要保护目标周围直径几公里的一圈就没那么容易了。我不确定核弹头要击中多近才能摧毁一艘航空母舰,但我确信它至少在几公里之外。

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @reiner托尔

    你确实需要多睡一会儿,这个评论应该写给匿名懦夫,而不是我。

    你女儿还好吗?

    回复:@reiner Tor

    , @anonymous coward
    @reiner托尔


    如果他们没有杀死大量平民,那么核战争就不会被认为比常规世界大战更可怕。
     
    只是由于历史事故和冷战期间苏联的托儿,它才被认为是可怕的。核武器本质上并不比美国在越南和伊拉克投放的核武器更可怕。

    留意这个领域,我打赌我们最终会在未来 25 年内看到战术核武器的使用,这没什么大不了的。
    , @songbird
    @reiner托尔

    在真正的强国(美国、中国、俄罗斯)之间的任何冲突中,航母基本上都是白象。一个大问题是它们现在可以被实时追踪。二战中的情况并非如此。

    另一个相关点是价格标签。沉没它们比建造它们更便宜吗?是的,而且是双重的。美国不再是一个无可挑战的经济大国。我不知道在南中国海建造一个岛屿的价格是多少,但我敢打赌它比一艘航母便宜很多。

  42. @songbird
    我一点也不相信布莱恩·卡普兰,但是,如果把一切都视为理所当然,那么“环境”一词在某种程度上就会变得相当荒谬。例如,如果你需要用白人完全包围黑人,即使是在家里,并且它在任何其他形式(学校教学)中都是不可复制的 - 好吧,那么,它在技术上可能是环保的,但这对于社会。事实上,这可能比 100% 遗传造成的差距更糟糕,因为平等主义者会希望通过强迫黑人和白人在一起来缩小这种差距。

    回复:@Pericles

    (布莱恩·卡普兰是毒药。)

    所以,基本上,如果社会最多有 1% 的黑人,那么黑人就可以了 比较 好吧,除非他们聚集在一起。嗯,也许这可以用作政策指导。

    • 回复: @songbird
    @伯里克利斯

    如果他的观点是撒哈拉以南非洲黑人移居美国后的智商更接近美国黑人,那么我不明白这怎么能成为一种推销手段。卡普兰似乎认为他正在创造一个,这使他成为一个非常奇怪的人。

  43. @for-the-record
    @reiner托尔

    不,我没有拼错他的名字。塔马斯·贾法斯。

    我知道,有人开玩笑地强调谷歌搜索结果的稀缺性!我想也许应该使用表情符号,但我太老了。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    好的。我女儿病了,我需要大约两倍的睡眠时间。从评论的早期就可以看出。 (应转换为 CET。)

    • 回复: @RadicalCenter
    @reiner托尔

    祝你女儿好运。我们自己也有小女孩。

  44. 俄罗斯军事历史博主撰写了有关俄罗斯国防部赞助的叙利亚赫梅米姆空军基地之行的文章。你不需要俄语就能欣赏这些照片。

    似乎您忘记添加链接

    https://ecoross1.livejournal.com/716218.html
    https://ecoross1.livejournal.com/716347.html

  45. @reiner Tor
    @作为记录


    (核武器始终是摧毁敌人指挥中心的一种手段,而不是杀死大量平民的手段。)
     
    如果他们没有杀死大量平民,那么核战争就不会被认为比常规世界大战更可怕。

    精确有时是很困难的,因为目标本身被保护得很好,但要保护目标周围直径几公里的一圈就没那么容易了。我不确定核弹头要击中多近才能摧毁一艘航空母舰,但我确信它至少在几公里之外。

    回复:@for-the-record、@anonymous coward、@songbird

    你确实需要多睡一会儿,这个评论应该写给匿名懦夫,而不是我。

    你女儿还好吗?

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @作为记录

    她现在看起来好多了。

  46. @for-the-record
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    这不是信仰危机,但我从小就是基督徒,所以我一直对基督教神学保持着兴趣。

    那么,是什么让你皈依了这个宗教,而这个宗教的信徒自愿、公开地承担了你前任导师流血的责任(马太福音 27:24-25)?

    回复:@DFH、@Greasy William

    弟兄们,你们效法了犹太地在基督耶稣里的上帝教会。你们遭受了自己同胞的痛苦,正如他们遭受了犹太人的痛苦一样,犹太人杀害了主耶稣和他们自己的先知,还把我们赶了出去。他们令神不悦,对所有人怀有敌意,阻碍我们告诉外邦人如何得救。结果,他们继续把自己的罪孽堆积得满满的。极大的愤怒临到了他们。
    1 Thessalonians 2:14-16

    “亚伯拉罕是我们的父亲,”他们(犹太人)回答道。
    耶稣说:“如果你们是亚伯拉罕的子孙,你们就会做亚伯拉罕所做的事。事实上,你正在寻找一种方法来杀死我,一个告诉你我从上帝那里听到的真相的人。亚伯拉罕没有做这样的事。你正在做你父亲的工作。”
    “我们不是私生子,”他们抗议道。 “我们唯一的父亲就是上帝自己。”
    耶稣对他们说:“如果神是你们的父亲,你们就会爱我,因为我是从神那里来的。我不是自己来的;上帝派我来的。为什么我的语言你听不清楚?因为你听不到我说的话。你属于你的父亲,魔鬼,你想实现你父亲的愿望。他从一开始就是一个杀人犯,不坚持真理,因为他里面没有真理。当他撒谎时,他说的是他的母语,因为他是一个骗子,也是谎言之父。但因为我说的是实话,你们不相信我!
    John 8:39-45

  47. @for-the-record
    @reiner托尔

    你确实需要多睡一会儿,这个评论应该写给匿名懦夫,而不是我。

    你女儿还好吗?

    回复:@reiner Tor

    她现在看起来好多了。

  48. • 回复: @Mr. Hack
    @波兰视角

    Ja ne rozume,proshe Pana? Cso za 'Wololo' i jaki to ksiadz?杰库耶!

  49. @reiner Tor
    @作为记录


    (核武器始终是摧毁敌人指挥中心的一种手段,而不是杀死大量平民的手段。)
     
    如果他们没有杀死大量平民,那么核战争就不会被认为比常规世界大战更可怕。

    精确有时是很困难的,因为目标本身被保护得很好,但要保护目标周围直径几公里的一圈就没那么容易了。我不确定核弹头要击中多近才能摧毁一艘航空母舰,但我确信它至少在几公里之外。

    回复:@for-the-record、@anonymous coward、@songbird

    如果他们没有杀死大量平民,那么核战争就不会被认为比常规世界大战更可怕。

    只是由于历史事故和冷战期间苏联的托儿,它才被认为是可怕的。核武器本质上并不比美国在越南和伊拉克投放的核武器更可怕。

    留意这个领域,我打赌我们最终会在未来 25 年内看到战术核武器的使用,这没什么大不了的。

  50. @Polish Perspective
    同时在波兰


    https://i.imgur.com/MgwfE2W.jpg

    沃洛洛!

    回复:@先生。 哈克

    Ja ne rozume,proshe Pana? Cso za 'Wololo' i jaki to ksiadz?杰库耶!

  51. @Greasy William
    关于激光的事情是它开启了基于激光的导弹防御的可能性。

    但不要太兴奋,五角大楼表示在 2070 年之前不会部署针对中程火箭/导弹的激光防御系统。

    防弹导弹防御系统最伟大的一点是它可以消除核武器,因此自二战以来大国第一次有可能发生常规冲突。我们拥有所有这些很酷的军事技术,但我们从未看到它被使用,所以也许将来我们最终会看到它被使用。

    编辑:SyrianGirl 或她现在自称的任何东西都是混蛋

    回复:@匿名懦夫,@RadicalCenter

    你希望爆发一场大规模的常规战争,这样我们就可以看到很酷的武器被使用?

  52. @reiner Tor
    @作为记录


    (核武器始终是摧毁敌人指挥中心的一种手段,而不是杀死大量平民的手段。)
     
    如果他们没有杀死大量平民,那么核战争就不会被认为比常规世界大战更可怕。

    精确有时是很困难的,因为目标本身被保护得很好,但要保护目标周围直径几公里的一圈就没那么容易了。我不确定核弹头要击中多近才能摧毁一艘航空母舰,但我确信它至少在几公里之外。

    回复:@for-the-record、@anonymous coward、@songbird

    在真正的强国(美国、中国、俄罗斯)之间的任何冲突中,航母基本上都是白象。一个大问题是它们现在可以被实时追踪。二战中的情况并非如此。

    另一个相关点是价格标签。沉没它们比建造它们更便宜吗?是的,而且是双重的。美国不再是一个无可挑战的经济大国。我不知道在南中国海建造一个岛屿的价格是多少,但我敢打赌它比一艘航母便宜很多。

  53. @Greasy William
    @作为记录

    1.您对地球年龄和宇宙年龄有何看法?

    2. 你觉得玛丽在天主教堂中受到的崇拜程度是否超出了彻底崇拜的范围?

    3. 你接受圣经的内在性吗?

    回复:@German_reader、@Seamus Day、@RadicalCenter

    1. 我们通过运用理性和科学方法所发现的一切,都是关于我们星球年龄的发现。每当神创造它时,他就创造它。

    2. 不。

    3. 不。

    这是一本由容易犯错的人写的书,他们有自己的偏见、不可告人的动机和缺陷。它包含哲学见解、对人性和行为的有用观察,以及关于如何对待彼此的极好建议,从而走向一个更加和谐、更加友善的社会和世界。

    但在《旧约》中,它也包含了一些无聊且无关紧要的古代家谱,恶毒的犹太至上主义对军事胜利过程中残酷行为的庆祝(高兴地将敌人婴儿的头撞在岩石上),以及重复的结论性华丽的内容。语言无足轻重。

    圣经:一些最美丽的想法和可行的规则被制定出来,淹没在废话和根本不重要的事情中。

    将旧约的一些内容与新约的大部分内容放在一起,我们就有了一个组织我们的生活和社会的良好起点。但还有其他来源提供了有用的见解、观察和建议,我们也应该考虑和辩论它们,使用任何与我们的道德价值观不相抵触的作品。

  54. @Seamus Day
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    1.您对地球年龄和宇宙年龄有何看法?

    2. 你觉得玛丽在天主教堂中受到的崇拜程度是否超出了彻底崇拜的范围?

    3. 你接受圣经的内在性吗?
     
    3)这是一个新教的想法,并且是一个相对较新的想法(19世纪)。它当然不是历史的、礼拜仪式的基督教的一部分。圣经无误的观念建立在新教唯独圣经的基本原则之上,即圣经是基督教真理的支柱和基础的观念。这是愚蠢的,因为圣经本身说:“教会是真理的柱石和堡垒。” (提摩太前书 1:3,修订标准版)。当然,教会先于圣经正典而存在,并且是教会无误地决定了哪些书籍将包含在圣经正典中(次经书籍,例如西拉赫等人)以及哪些书籍将被排除在外(伪书)作品,例如彼得福音)。所有天主教教义都源自圣经,包括圣母升天。而且天主教会对于《圣经》的热爱并不比新教徒少,毕竟那是天主教会的书。

    2)为什么天主教会如此尊崇玛利亚?因为神做到了。因为上帝的天使做到了。为什么她配得上天使的称号“充满恩典”?因为玛丽是一个受造物所能达到的充满恩典的人。她与三位一体的神三重联合。圣父完美的女儿,圣子完美的母亲,圣灵完美的配偶。玛丽是上帝创造的最美丽的生物。高举她就是高举她神圣的创造者,她是他的精神女儿,高举她的神圣儿子,她是他的人类母亲,她生育了他的人性,并高举她神圣的配偶圣灵,他在她的子宫里孕育了他。天主教会将她视为三位一体神的至高无上的人类女仆。

    1)我认为现代宇宙学认为大爆炸发生在10^9年前。这是一位比利时天主教神父和理论物理学家神父。乔治·勒梅特 (Georges Lemaître),被认为是大爆炸理论的鼻祖。 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lemaître

    以下是您感兴趣的演讲:Greasy:
    https://youtu.be/8F7eIrh80V8

    回复:@Greasy William、@Seamus Day、@Thorfinnsson、@RadicalCenter

    旧约是专门天主教会的书吗?可疑。

    旧约中哪些内容是在耶稣出生之后写的?

  55. @reiner Tor
    @作为记录

    好的。我女儿病了,我需要大约两倍的睡眠时间。从评论的早期就可以看出。 (应转换为 CET。)

    回复:@RadicalCenter

    祝你女儿好运。我们自己也有小女孩。

    • 同意: German_reader
  56. @Seamus Day
    @Seamus 日

    不,我没有提及天主教关于无误性的立场。刚刚批评了新教对唯独圣经的立场。天主教的立场认为圣经是无误的,它包含没有错误的真理。但无误性并不排除使用寓言、寓言、隐喻、诗歌或任何不旨在被理解为字面真理的思想表达。

    回复:@RadicalCenter

    根据《利未记》第 20 章,同性恋者应被处死,这是神的话无误吗?所有的翻译似乎都清楚地包含了这个元素。这是否意味着上帝会处死他们(艾滋病毒?) 或者其他人应该杀死他们?

    根据诗篇 137:9,将敌人婴儿的头砸在岩石上以示报复,这是上帝无误的话语吗?

    好。

  57. @Thorfinnsson
    @Seamus 日

    肮脏的天主教徒。

    回复:@RadicalCenter

    厌倦了你们这些狗屎,非理性粗鲁的天主教狂热分子和非理性粗鲁的反天主教狂热分子。所以让我粗鲁地回报一下。普通人不喜欢你们两个狂热傻瓜阵营的什么?

    假装确定我们无法确定的事情,并对那些指出你不知道也不可能真正了解的人的信仰、善意、智力或“圣经知识”提出质疑你声称自己确切地知道。

    表现得好像其他基督教教派的人都不是真正的基督徒,甚至不是好人。

    新教关于 RC 崇拜玛丽的废话。还有关于玛丽是圣灵的配偶、神职人员与教会联姻等令人毛骨悚然的RC言论。

    争论一些实际上并不重要的事情,而且教会本身已经改变了立场,比如转世。

    期望其他人接受你的争论——或者只是断言或猜测——因为你用大写字母和“章节”引用了《圣经》。

    相信那些遵循黄金法则生活并忠实、诚实、勤奋、和平、仁慈、合理地生活的人,如果他们不相信耶稣是神或神的儿子,或者即使他们相信但属于“错误”的教派。

    行话。该死的行话。 RC 和浸信会这两个我们都熟悉的教派有很多奇怪的、令人反感的行话,常常无法说明问题。它可能被用来让事情听起来更戏剧化、更重要、更令人印象深刻、更有权威,但它只是让人困惑并且听起来很荒谬。行话还被用来让信徒感觉他们是一个非会员无法理解的特殊精英俱乐部的一部分。

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @激进中心

    我认为托芬森只是在恶作剧,假装自己是当今的无知者。
    至少我希望如此...

    回复:@reiner Tor,@ Thorfinnsson

    , @German_reader
    @激进中心


    相信那些遵循金科玉律并忠实、诚实、勤奋、和平、仁慈、合理地生活的人,如果不相信耶稣是神或神的儿子,死后仍然会受到诅咒
     
    在我看来,这就是基督教的要点。
    我知道这对大多数现代人来说听起来很刺耳(因为它与正义的基本概念相矛盾),但对于西方教会的压倒性主导传统来说,至少从来没有任何问题是那些不相信基督的人确实无论他们在其他事情上的个人行为如何,都不会得救。

    回复:@reiner Tor,@匿名co夫

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @激进中心

    你还没习惯他的伎俩吗? ;)

    , @Thorfinnsson
    @激进中心

    猜猜谁没读过你的帖子:)

  58. @Pericles
    @鸣禽

    (布莱恩·卡普兰是毒药。)

    所以,基本上,如果社会最多有 1% 的黑人,那么黑人就可以了 比较 好吧,除非他们聚集在一起。嗯,也许这可以用作政策指导。

    回复:@songbird

    如果他的观点是撒哈拉以南非洲黑人移居美国后的智商更接近美国黑人,那么我不明白这怎么能成为一种推销手段。卡普兰似乎认为他正在创造一个,这使他成为一个非常奇怪的人。

  59. @RadicalCenter
    @托尔芬森

    厌倦了你们这些狗屎,非理性粗鲁的天主教狂热分子和非理性粗鲁的反天主教狂热分子。所以让我粗鲁地回报一下。普通人不喜欢你们两个狂热傻瓜阵营的什么?

    假装确定我们无法确定的事情,并对那些指出你不知道也不可能真正了解的人的信仰、善意、智力或“圣经知识”提出质疑你声称自己确切地知道。

    表现得好像其他基督教教派的人都不是真正的基督徒,甚至不是好人。

    新教关于 RC 崇拜玛丽的废话。还有关于玛丽是圣灵的配偶、神职人员与教会联姻等令人毛骨悚然的RC言论。

    争论一些实际上并不重要的事情,而且教会本身已经改变了立场,比如转世。

    期望其他人接受你的争论——或者只是断言或猜测——因为你用大写字母和“章节”引用了《圣经》。

    相信那些遵循黄金法则生活并忠实、诚实、勤奋、和平、仁慈、合理地生活的人,如果他们不相信耶稣是神或神的儿子,或者即使他们相信但属于“错误”的教派。

    行话。该死的行话。 RC 和浸信会这两个我们都熟悉的教派有很多奇怪的、令人反感的行话,常常无法说明问题。它可能被用来让事情听起来更戏剧化、更重要、更令人印象深刻、更有权威,但它只是让人困惑并且听起来很荒谬。行话还被用来让信徒感觉他们是一个非会员无法理解的特殊精英俱乐部的一部分。

    回复:@German_reader、@German_reader、@Anatoly Karlin、@Thorfinnsson

    我认为托芬森只是在恶作剧,假装自己是当今的无知者。
    至少我希望如此……

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @German_reader

    正如他所写,他为了效果而夸大了。

    , @Thorfinnsson
    @German_reader

    无论我的球队是什么,我都是职业球员。由于历史的原因,比意味着新教。鲭鱼鲷鱼之死。

    这并不意味着我投入了神学辩论,甚至对它们一无所知。

    如今整个辩论显然很奇怪,因为我们有更大的问题需要担心。

  60. @RadicalCenter
    @托尔芬森

    厌倦了你们这些狗屎,非理性粗鲁的天主教狂热分子和非理性粗鲁的反天主教狂热分子。所以让我粗鲁地回报一下。普通人不喜欢你们两个狂热傻瓜阵营的什么?

    假装确定我们无法确定的事情,并对那些指出你不知道也不可能真正了解的人的信仰、善意、智力或“圣经知识”提出质疑你声称自己确切地知道。

    表现得好像其他基督教教派的人都不是真正的基督徒,甚至不是好人。

    新教关于 RC 崇拜玛丽的废话。还有关于玛丽是圣灵的配偶、神职人员与教会联姻等令人毛骨悚然的RC言论。

    争论一些实际上并不重要的事情,而且教会本身已经改变了立场,比如转世。

    期望其他人接受你的争论——或者只是断言或猜测——因为你用大写字母和“章节”引用了《圣经》。

    相信那些遵循黄金法则生活并忠实、诚实、勤奋、和平、仁慈、合理地生活的人,如果他们不相信耶稣是神或神的儿子,或者即使他们相信但属于“错误”的教派。

    行话。该死的行话。 RC 和浸信会这两个我们都熟悉的教派有很多奇怪的、令人反感的行话,常常无法说明问题。它可能被用来让事情听起来更戏剧化、更重要、更令人印象深刻、更有权威,但它只是让人困惑并且听起来很荒谬。行话还被用来让信徒感觉他们是一个非会员无法理解的特殊精英俱乐部的一部分。

    回复:@German_reader、@German_reader、@Anatoly Karlin、@Thorfinnsson

    相信那些遵循金科玉律并忠实、诚实、勤奋、和平、仁慈、合理地生活的人,如果不相信耶稣是神或神的儿子,死后仍然会受到诅咒

    在我看来,这就是基督教的要点。
    我知道这对大多数现代人来说听起来很刺耳(因为它与正义的基本概念相矛盾),但对于西方教会的压倒性主导传统来说,至少从来没有任何问题是那些不相信基督的人确实无论他们在其他事情上的个人行为如何,都不会得救。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @German_reader


    西方教会的
     
    东方教会有什么不同吗?我非常怀疑。

    回复:@German_reader

    , @anonymous coward
    @German_reader

    信心不是“相信基督”。

    你相信只有一位神。好的!就连恶魔也相信这一点——并且不寒而栗。 (詹姆斯2:19)

    回复:@ German_reader,@ for-the-record

  61. @German_reader
    @激进中心


    相信那些遵循金科玉律并忠实、诚实、勤奋、和平、仁慈、合理地生活的人,如果不相信耶稣是神或神的儿子,死后仍然会受到诅咒
     
    在我看来,这就是基督教的要点。
    我知道这对大多数现代人来说听起来很刺耳(因为它与正义的基本概念相矛盾),但对于西方教会的压倒性主导传统来说,至少从来没有任何问题是那些不相信基督的人确实无论他们在其他事情上的个人行为如何,都不会得救。

    回复:@reiner Tor,@匿名co夫

    西方教会的

    东方教会有什么不同吗?我非常怀疑。

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @reiner托尔

    我对这些事情知之甚少,但如果你看这里
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_reconciliation

    你至少会看到一些来自东方教会的人物(例如尼尼微的以撒)提到了谁 据称 相信普遍和解。
    但是,是的,这可能是一种边缘学说,无论何时何地。基督教比许多现代人想象的更加严厉和排外。
    不管怎样,祝你女儿一切顺利,希望她早日康复。

  62. @German_reader
    @激进中心

    我认为托芬森只是在恶作剧,假装自己是当今的无知者。
    至少我希望如此...

    回复:@reiner Tor,@ Thorfinnsson

    正如他所写,他为了效果而夸大了。

  63. @reiner Tor
    @German_reader


    西方教会的
     
    东方教会有什么不同吗?我非常怀疑。

    回复:@German_reader

    我对这些事情知之甚少,但如果你看这里
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_reconciliation

    你至少会看到一些来自东方教会的人物(例如尼尼微的以撒)提到了谁 据称 相信普遍和解。
    但是,是的,这可能是一种边缘学说,无论何时何地。基督教比许多现代人想象的更加严厉和排外。
    不管怎样,祝你女儿一切顺利,希望她早日康复。

  64. 是的,祝你女儿早日康复,莱纳

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    多谢你们。她好多了。平时没什么大不了的,就算她叫醒我,我也能轻松入睡,但今天却不行了。没什么严重的。

  65. @Polish Perspective
    读伯希德斯基关于欧尔班的文章令人痛苦地提醒我们,西方媒体对中东欧的报道是多么糟糕——不是因为列昂尼德的文章不好,而是恰恰相反。即使对于那些不同意欧尔班的人来说,他也能明智地做到这一点,同时也承认支撑欧尔班成功的真正问题。如今,在西方主流媒体中几乎不可能找到这一壮举。

    我也不认为伯希德斯基是东欧人这一事实与这种能力无关,而他的许多同事显然缺乏这种能力。

    甚至不仅仅是EE。这也与我之前对西方对中国的报道如此多的残暴和肤浅的哀叹不谋而合。大多数精英报纸的记者甚至都不是华裔,能说流利普通话的就更少了。这对于世界上最大的(按购买力平价计算)经济体而言。如果连中国这样重要得多的国家都受到如此粗心和无知的对待,匈牙利还有什么希望呢?西方所谓的俄罗斯“专家”有时甚至觉得他们不需要懂俄语。

    我的年龄还不够大,不知道早期的情况如何,但我很难相信以前的标准如此草率。似乎你的实际领域专业知识越来越不重要,真正重要的是你的意识形态一致性,除此之外别无其他。即使作为一个在意识形态上与贝尔希德斯基不同的人,阅读他的著作仍然是一种乐趣。这是我对记者最高的赞美,尤其是在我们今天生活的歇斯底里的气氛中。

    回复:@秦公、@jeppo

    我认为这段比较匈牙利和俄罗斯腐败程度的段落很有趣:

    但即使在这一点上,俄罗斯和匈牙利之间也存在重要分歧。托特估计,15% 至 24% 的政府采购存在腐败行为。 2017年上半年,俄罗斯财政部发现,国有企业采购合同总额的42.5%是在没有经过竞争程序的情况下分发的——这清楚地表明这些都是腐败交易。马丁表示,腐败和任人唯亲的企业在匈牙利经济中所占的比例在 5% 到 10% 之间;在俄罗斯,根据司法部长亚历山大·科诺瓦洛夫 (Alexander Konovalov) 2015 年的估计,腐败每年导致官方经济产出损失 10% 至 20%。

    换句话说,俄罗斯的腐败程度比匈牙利严重得多。原因之一是,正如我在布达佩斯采访过的所有非政府组织专家告诉我的那样,匈牙利法院仍然是独立的,并且不怕惹恼政府。另一个原因是,与后苏联国家相比,公民可见的低级腐败几乎不存在。最后,政治仍然是竞争性的,这自然限制了偷窃的大胆程度。

    贝尔希德斯基认为,独立的司法机构、竞争性的政治以及对公然腐败行为的社会容忍度很低,是匈牙利比俄罗斯腐败程度低得多的原因。

    两国都在半神话般的哈伊纳尔线之外,但如果有的话,这可能会发挥作用 *反对* 民族刻板印象,狡猾、纵容的马扎尔人通常被认为不如厚重但认真的斯拉夫人值得信赖。

    根据 CPI 指数,匈牙利在 57 个腐败国家中排名第 176 位,俄罗斯排名第 131 位。

    匈牙利与邻国克罗地亚、罗马尼亚和斯洛伐克并列,而俄罗斯与邻近的哈萨克斯坦、乌克兰和摩尔多瓦并列。

    因此,后共产主义世界基本上分为“维谢格拉德”或“三海”腐败程度的国家和“欧亚”腐败程度的国家。

    显然,北约和欧盟成员国所施加的标准有助于清理匈牙利和其他类似国家,而俄罗斯等国却没有这样的变化。

    当普京主义固有的腐败与竞争意识形态欧尔班主义的相对透明度相比时,俄罗斯如何才能维持其在该地区的地缘政治主导地位?谁会选择前者而不是后者,为什么?

    当相对守法和繁荣的维谢格拉德/三海集团向我们招手时,俄罗斯的跨国集团(欧亚联盟)将很难保留其少数成员,更不用说吸引新成员了。

    俄罗斯领导层没有提供令人信服的理由说明东欧其他国家不应该加入北约和欧盟。有一天,俄罗斯人民甚至可能会违背“俄罗斯”精英的意愿而起来提出要求。

    欧尔班将被铭记为(或 *这*)他那个时代富有远见的政治家,席卷西方的民族主义民粹主义革命的先知。普京将因主持了一个腐败和停滞的世纪末时代而被人们铭记,就像后来的勃列日涅夫或路易十六一样。

    • 回复: @Mitleser
    @杰波


    当普京主义固有的腐败与竞争意识形态欧尔班主义的相对透明度相比时,俄罗斯如何才能维持其在该地区的地缘政治主导地位?谁会选择前者而不是后者,为什么?
     
    虚假问题。
    这两种意识形态都不存在。

    不过,欧尔班奖是德国的一个奖项。
    https://www.buchreport.de/2017/08/15/orbanism-award-loest-virenschleuderpreis-ab/

    俄罗斯领导层没有提供令人信服的理由说明东欧其他国家不应该加入北约和欧盟。
     
    最有说服力的原因是:他们都不会让他们加入。

    回复:@jeppo

  66. @songbird
    不用说,俄罗斯很幸运没有在非洲建立任何殖民地。与此同时,德国很幸运在第一次世界大战期间失去了殖民地,但其统治阶级却浪费了第一次世界大战的一个成果,这对德国来说是积极的。

    回复:@Mitleser

    在德国士兵在那里战斗并牺牲之后,将南西非定居者殖民地纳入德国是件好事,也是值得的。

    • 回复: @songbird
    @米特勒

    世界大战的某些部分可能是由于人口压力造成的。非常遗憾的是,没有那么多男人死去,而是将他们和妇女一起送到南非作为定居者。特别是。第二次世界大战期间,拖拉机和机械化设备真正起飞。

  67. @German_reader
    @激进中心


    相信那些遵循金科玉律并忠实、诚实、勤奋、和平、仁慈、合理地生活的人,如果不相信耶稣是神或神的儿子,死后仍然会受到诅咒
     
    在我看来,这就是基督教的要点。
    我知道这对大多数现代人来说听起来很刺耳(因为它与正义的基本概念相矛盾),但对于西方教会的压倒性主导传统来说,至少从来没有任何问题是那些不相信基督的人确实无论他们在其他事情上的个人行为如何,都不会得救。

    回复:@reiner Tor,@匿名co夫

    信心不是“相信基督”。

    你相信只有一位神。好的!就连恶魔也相信这一点——并且不寒而栗。 (詹姆斯2:19)

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @匿名co夫

    使徒信经:


    我信仰全能的天父上帝,
    天地的创造者:

    在我们的主耶稣基督里,
    谁是由圣灵孕育的,[b]
    由圣母玛利亚所生,
    在本丢彼拉多手下受苦,
    被钉在十字架上、死亡并被埋葬:
    他堕入地狱;
    第三天他从死里复活了。
    他升入天堂,
    坐在全能父神的右边;
    他将从那里来审判生者和死者。


    我相信圣灵;
    神圣的天主教堂;
    圣徒相通;
    罪孽的宽恕;
    身体的复活,
    且生命永存。
    阿门。
     
    嗯,看来信仰基督是基督教的重要组成部分!
    我省略了三位一体的其他位格,以及关于基督是上帝之子、他的复活等的部分……但除非你完全毫无意义地挑剔,否则我的意思应该很清楚。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    , @for-the-record
    @匿名co夫

    引用詹姆斯并不是什么“证据”,这本书是一个真正的异常值,令人惊讶的是它被包含在“语料库”中——大概这是因为作者被认为是“主的兄弟”。

    雅各主张通过行为而不是信仰来得救,这与教会采用并仍然坚持的保罗教义完全矛盾:

    雅各:“你们看,人称义是因着他所做的事,并不是单因着信。”(雅各书 2:24)

    保罗:“我们说,人称义是因着信,不在乎遵行律法……”(罗马书 3:28)

    回复:@Greasy William,@Anon

  68. @jeppo
    @波兰视角

    我认为这段比较匈牙利和俄罗斯腐败程度的段落很有趣:

    但即使在这一点上,俄罗斯和匈牙利之间也存在重要分歧。托特估计,15% 至 24% 的政府采购存在腐败行为。 2017年上半年,俄罗斯财政部发现,国有企业采购合同总额的42.5%是在没有经过竞争程序的情况下分发的,这清楚地表明这些都是腐败交易。马丁表示,腐败和任人唯亲的企业在匈牙利经济中所占的比例在 5% 到 10% 之间;在俄罗斯,根据司法部长亚历山大·科诺瓦洛夫 (Alexander Konovalov) 2015 年的估计,腐败每年导致官方经济产出损失 10% 至 20%。

    换句话说,俄罗斯的腐败程度比匈牙利严重得多。原因之一是,正如我在布达佩斯采访过的所有非政府组织专家告诉我的那样,匈牙利法院仍然是独立的,并且不怕惹恼政府。另一个原因是,与后苏联国家相比,公民可见的低级腐败几乎不存在。最后,政治仍然是竞争性的,这自然限制了偷窃的大胆程度。

    贝尔希德斯基认为,独立的司法机构、竞争性的政治以及对公然腐败行为的社会容忍度很低,是匈牙利比俄罗斯腐败程度低得多的原因。

    这两个国家都在半神话般的哈伊纳尔线之外,但如果说有什么不同的话,这可能会“违背”民族刻板印象,狡猾、纵容的马扎尔人通常被认为不如厚重但认真的斯拉夫人值得信赖。

    根据 CPI 指数,匈牙利在 57 个腐败国家中排名第 176 位,俄罗斯排名第 131 位。

    匈牙利与邻国克罗地亚、罗马尼亚和斯洛伐克并列,而俄罗斯与邻近的哈萨克斯坦、乌克兰和摩尔多瓦并列。

    因此,后共产主义世界基本上分为“维谢格拉德”或“三海”腐败程度的国家和“欧亚”腐败程度的国家。

    显然,北约和欧盟成员国所施加的标准有助于清理匈牙利和其他类似国家,而俄罗斯等国却没有这样的变化。

    当普京主义固有的腐败与竞争意识形态欧尔班主义的相对透明度相比时,俄罗斯如何才能维持其在该地区的地缘政治主导地位?谁会选择前者而不是后者,为什么?

    当相对守法和繁荣的维谢格拉德/三海集团向我们招手时,俄罗斯的跨国集团(欧亚联盟)将很难保留其少数成员,更不用说吸引新成员了。

    俄罗斯领导层没有提供令人信服的理由说明东欧其他国家不应该加入北约和欧盟。有一天,俄罗斯人民甚至可能会违背“俄罗斯”精英的意愿而起来提出要求。

    欧尔班将被铭记为他那个时代的一位(或“最”)有远见的政治家,一位席卷西方的民族主义民粹主义革命的先知。普京将因主持了一个腐败和停滞的世纪末时代而被人们铭记,就像后来的勃列日涅夫或路易十六一样。

    回复:@Mitleser

    当普京主义固有的腐败与竞争意识形态欧尔班主义的相对透明度相比时,俄罗斯如何才能维持其在该地区的地缘政治主导地位?谁会选择前者而不是后者,为什么?

    虚假问题。
    这两种意识形态都不存在。

    不过,欧尔班奖是德国的一个奖项。
    https://www.buchreport.de/2017/08/15/orbanism-award-loest-virenschleuderpreis-ab/

    俄罗斯领导层没有提供令人信服的理由说明东欧其他国家不应该加入北约和欧盟。

    最有说服力的原因是:他们都不会让他们加入。

    • 回复: @jeppo
    @米特勒

    “这两种意识形态都不存在。”

    在某种程度上,普京主义和欧尔班主义是同一枚意识形态硬币的两个侧面。不同之处在于,欧尔班比普京更成功地发挥了他的民族主义-民粹主义之手。

    “有一个最令人信服的理由:他们都不会让他们加入。”

    英国脱欧改变了一切。

    在英国脱欧之前,欧盟实际上可以成为世界主要大国。没有英国,被削弱的欧盟需要俄罗斯与美国和中国等经济和地缘战略巨头进行切实的竞争。

    如果没有西部和南部的斯拉夫/东正教文化腹地,俄罗斯就会陷入欧亚大陆的平庸。俄罗斯和欧洲彼此需要。

    这就是为什么北约和欧盟在到达克里姆林宫之前不会停止向东进军的原因。

  69. @anonymous coward
    @German_reader

    信心不是“相信基督”。

    你相信只有一位神。好的!就连恶魔也相信这一点——并且不寒而栗。 (詹姆斯2:19)

    回复:@ German_reader,@ for-the-record

    使徒信经:

    我信仰全能的天父上帝,
    天地的创造者:

    在我们的主耶稣基督里,
    谁是由圣灵孕育的,[b]
    由圣母玛利亚所生,
    在本丢彼拉多手下受苦,
    被钉在十字架上、死亡并被埋葬:
    他堕入地狱;
    第三天他从死里复活了。
    他升入天堂,
    坐在全能父神的右边;
    他将从那里来审判生者和死者。

    我相信圣灵;
    神圣的天主教堂;
    圣徒相通;
    罪孽的宽恕;
    身体的复活,
    且生命永存。
    阿门。

    嗯,看来信仰基督是基督教的重要组成部分!
    我省略了三位一体的其他位格,以及关于基督是上帝之子、他的复活等的部分……但除非你完全毫无意义地挑剔,否则我的意思应该很清楚。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @German_reader

    我认为他的观点是,仅仅相信他对世界如何运作的描述是不够的,而是要真正跟随他。但也许我误解了他。

  70. @German_reader
    @匿名co夫

    使徒信经:


    我信仰全能的天父上帝,
    天地的创造者:

    在我们的主耶稣基督里,
    谁是由圣灵孕育的,[b]
    由圣母玛利亚所生,
    在本丢彼拉多手下受苦,
    被钉在十字架上、死亡并被埋葬:
    他堕入地狱;
    第三天他从死里复活了。
    他升入天堂,
    坐在全能父神的右边;
    他将从那里来审判生者和死者。


    我相信圣灵;
    神圣的天主教堂;
    圣徒相通;
    罪孽的宽恕;
    身体的复活,
    且生命永存。
    阿门。
     
    嗯,看来信仰基督是基督教的重要组成部分!
    我省略了三位一体的其他位格,以及关于基督是上帝之子、他的复活等的部分……但除非你完全毫无意义地挑剔,否则我的意思应该很清楚。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    我认为他的观点是,仅仅相信他对世界如何运作的描述是不够的,而是要真正跟随他。但也许我误解了他。

  71. @Mitleser
    @鸣禽

    在德国士兵在那里战斗并牺牲之后,将南西非定居者殖民地纳入德国是件好事,也是值得的。

    http://abload.de/img/2015-11-0813.45.37lnu58.jpg

    回复:@songbird

    世界大战的某些部分可能是由于人口压力造成的。非常遗憾的是,没有那么多男人死去,而是将他们和妇女一起送到南非作为定居者。特别是。第二次世界大战期间,拖拉机和机械化设备真正起飞。

  72. 一名俄罗斯人、一名乌克兰人、一名格鲁吉亚人和一名鞑靼人走上舞台:

  73. @Greasy William
    是的,祝你女儿早日康复,莱纳

    回复:@reiner Tor

    多谢你们。她好多了。平时没什么大不了的,就算她叫醒我,我也能轻松入睡,但今天却不行了。没什么严重的。

  74. @RadicalCenter
    @托尔芬森

    厌倦了你们这些狗屎,非理性粗鲁的天主教狂热分子和非理性粗鲁的反天主教狂热分子。所以让我粗鲁地回报一下。普通人不喜欢你们两个狂热傻瓜阵营的什么?

    假装确定我们无法确定的事情,并对那些指出你不知道也不可能真正了解的人的信仰、善意、智力或“圣经知识”提出质疑你声称自己确切地知道。

    表现得好像其他基督教教派的人都不是真正的基督徒,甚至不是好人。

    新教关于 RC 崇拜玛丽的废话。还有关于玛丽是圣灵的配偶、神职人员与教会联姻等令人毛骨悚然的RC言论。

    争论一些实际上并不重要的事情,而且教会本身已经改变了立场,比如转世。

    期望其他人接受你的争论——或者只是断言或猜测——因为你用大写字母和“章节”引用了《圣经》。

    相信那些遵循黄金法则生活并忠实、诚实、勤奋、和平、仁慈、合理地生活的人,如果他们不相信耶稣是神或神的儿子,或者即使他们相信但属于“错误”的教派。

    行话。该死的行话。 RC 和浸信会这两个我们都熟悉的教派有很多奇怪的、令人反感的行话,常常无法说明问题。它可能被用来让事情听起来更戏剧化、更重要、更令人印象深刻、更有权威,但它只是让人困惑并且听起来很荒谬。行话还被用来让信徒感觉他们是一个非会员无法理解的特殊精英俱乐部的一部分。

    回复:@German_reader、@German_reader、@Anatoly Karlin、@Thorfinnsson

    你还没习惯他的伎俩吗? 😉

  75. @anonymous coward
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    自二战以来,大国首次有可能发生常规冲突
     
    即使在今天,利用当今的技术,也没有什么可以阻止我们发生传统冲突。两点:

    a) 用核弹进行大规模屠杀没有任何军事意义。

    b) 战术核武器的威力不如大型常规炸弹。

    大型核武器的军备竞赛是一个历史产物——在60世纪70年代和XNUMX年代,精确制导导弹还不存在,因此必须用原始破坏力来弥补精确制导的缺陷。

    如今,当你可以将小型战术核武器直接击中目标时,巨大的核弹就毫无意义了。

    (核武器始终是摧毁敌人指挥中心的一种手段,而不是杀死大量平民的手段。)

    回复:@Anatoly Karlin

    在所有方面都是错误的。

    1. 当然,人口中心是目标(对价)。是的,在全面战争中,消灭敌方人口无疑是一个主要好处,即使仅次于攻击敌方核力量(反作用力)、常规军事资产和工业基础。

    2、最大的非核炸弹是最近的俄罗斯炸弹之父(44吨TNT当量);第二大的是美国炸弹之母(11吨TNT)。

    最小的战术核武器系统 曾经 建造了装满10-20吨TNT的M-388弹头,由戴维·克罗克特无后坐力炮发射。它于 1960 世纪 1 年代末退役。现代战术核武器通常装载 100 至 1,000 吨,即 100,000 至 XNUMX 吨 TNT。比 MOAB/FOAB 强大许多数量级..

  76. @anonymous coward
    @German_reader

    信心不是“相信基督”。

    你相信只有一位神。好的!就连恶魔也相信这一点——并且不寒而栗。 (詹姆斯2:19)

    回复:@ German_reader,@ for-the-record

    引用詹姆斯并不是什么“证据”,这本书是一个真正的异常值,令人惊讶的是它被包含在“语料库”中——大概这是因为作者被认为是“主的兄弟”。

    雅各主张通过行为而不是信仰来得救,这与教会采用并仍然坚持的保罗教义完全矛盾:

    雅各:“你们看,人称义是因着他所做的事,并不是单因着信。”(雅各书 2:24)

    保罗:“我们说,人称义是因着信,不在乎遵行律法……”(罗马书 3:28)

    • 同意: German_reader
    • 回复: @Greasy William
    @作为记录

    没有人真正相信单靠信心就能得救,无论他们怎么说。

    如果有人因接受耶稣为他们的主和救主而“得救”,但随后在自杀前开枪射杀了麦当劳,那么“唯有信仰”类型的人只会说这个人从一开始就从未真正得救。

    回复:@German_reader

    , @Anon
    @作为记录

    魂斗罗 路德、雅各布不是“稻草书信”,教会教义也不那么简单:http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10202b.htm

  77. @Mitleser
    @杰波


    当普京主义固有的腐败与竞争意识形态欧尔班主义的相对透明度相比时,俄罗斯如何才能维持其在该地区的地缘政治主导地位?谁会选择前者而不是后者,为什么?
     
    虚假问题。
    这两种意识形态都不存在。

    不过,欧尔班奖是德国的一个奖项。
    https://www.buchreport.de/2017/08/15/orbanism-award-loest-virenschleuderpreis-ab/

    俄罗斯领导层没有提供令人信服的理由说明东欧其他国家不应该加入北约和欧盟。
     
    最有说服力的原因是:他们都不会让他们加入。

    回复:@jeppo

    “这两种意识形态都不存在。”

    在某种程度上,普京主义和欧尔班主义是同一枚意识形态硬币的两个侧面。不同之处在于,欧尔班比普京更成功地发挥了他的民族主义-民粹主义之手。

    “有一个最令人信服的理由:他们都不会让他们加入。”

    英国脱欧改变了一切。

    在英国脱欧之前,欧盟实际上可以成为世界主要大国。没有英国,被削弱的欧盟需要俄罗斯与美国和中国等经济和地缘战略巨头进行切实的竞争。

    如果没有西部和南部的斯拉夫/东正教文化腹地,俄罗斯就会陷入欧亚大陆的平庸。俄罗斯和欧洲彼此需要。

    这就是为什么北约和欧盟在到达克里姆林宫之前不会停止向东进军的原因。

  78. 普京默默地决定保护德里帕斯卡;不要将美国对俄罗斯铝业公司的攻击称为战争行为;并通过提出有限停战协议来考验美国人。与俄罗斯企业关系密切的国际银行家认为,与美国的停战不可能是暂时的,这是俄罗斯的一种幻想;消息人士补充说,追求这一目标是对美国意图的误判。他们警告说新的袭击将会到来。消息人士称,“这些寡头们将被美国人挤出市场,除非他们选择——要么返回俄罗斯,面临与他们迄今为止所享受的截然不同的未来;要么返回俄罗斯,面对与他们迄今为止所享受的未来截然不同的未来;或者离开俄罗斯,加入美国一边;将他们在俄罗斯拥有的东西归国家所有。没有中间位置。这就是美国经济战略的意义。现代尚无此类攻击的先例。普京还没有准备好。”

    http://johnhelmer.net/the-samson-haircut-option-one-step-before-russia-opens-fire-on-american-israeli-forces/

    普特勒什么时候投降?

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @米特勒

    普京的实力显然很弱。

    我认为他在叙利亚危机中很弱,尽管我也认为美国人在那里也很弱,所以这并不重要。

    但他很可能无法胜任与一个日益疯狂的对手处理不断升级的冲突的任务,这个对手没有理性的目标,也不受任何习俗、法律或协议的约束。例如,他们闯入外交大楼。

    目前还不清楚普京如何投降。它会是什么样子?美国人会接受什么?他们愿意承诺接受俄罗斯在任何地方的合法利益吗?至少在俄罗斯境内是这样吗?或者他们会因为车臣的同性婚姻或人权而继续向他们施加压力,甚至在其境内?我猜是后者。

    回复:@German_reader、@Anatoly Karlin、@Mitleser

  79. @Mitleser

    普京默默地决定保护德里帕斯卡;不要将美国对俄罗斯铝业公司的攻击称为战争行为;并通过提出有限停战协议来考验美国人。与俄罗斯企业关系密切的国际银行家认为,与美国的停战不可能是暂时的,这是俄罗斯的一种幻想;消息人士补充说,追求这一目标是对美国意图的误判。他们警告说新的袭击将会到来。消息人士称,“这些寡头们将被美国人挤出市场,除非他们选择——要么返回俄罗斯,面临与他们迄今为止所享受的截然不同的未来;要么返回俄罗斯,面对与他们迄今为止所享受的未来截然不同的未来;或者离开俄罗斯,加入美国一边;将他们在俄罗斯拥有的东西归国家所有。没有中间位置。这就是美国经济战略的意义。现代尚无此类攻击的先例。普京还没有准备好。”
     
    http://johnhelmer.net/the-samson-haircut-option-one-step-before-russia-opens-fire-on-american-israeli-forces/

    普特勒什么时候投降?

    回复:@reiner Tor

    普京的实力显然很弱。

    我认为他在叙利亚危机中很弱,尽管我也认为美国人在那里也很弱,所以这并不重要。

    但他很可能无法胜任与一个日益疯狂的对手处理不断升级的冲突的任务,这个对手没有理性的目标,也不受任何习俗、法律或协议的约束。例如,他们闯入外交大楼。

    目前还不清楚普京如何投降。它会是什么样子?美国人会接受什么?他们愿意承诺接受俄罗斯在任何地方的合法利益吗?至少在俄罗斯境内是这样吗?或者他们会因为车臣的同性婚姻或人权而继续向他们施加压力,甚至在其境内?我猜是后者。

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @reiner托尔


    例如,他们闯入外交大楼。
     
    一定是漏掉了,它指的是什么?

    回复:@Mitleser

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @reiner托尔

    这有点过分了;闯入外交大楼与西雅图领事馆有关,无论如何,俄罗斯人已被命令撤离该领事馆(作为回应,俄罗斯关闭了美国驻西雅图领事馆)。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    , @Mitleser
    @reiner托尔


    目前还不清楚普京如何投降。
     
    接受库德林的提议。

    俄罗斯总统弗拉基米尔·普京正在考虑是否任命一名副总统,负责与美国和欧盟谈判结束制裁以及俄罗斯外交和国防政策的转变。

    在前财政部长阿列克谢·库德林(主图,中)提出的计划中,该职位将拥有比总理更多的权力,允许德米特里·梅德韦杰夫继续留任,但让他服从新任总理。库德林的想法是他将成为事实上的副总统。继普京之后政府的主要决策者;以及他可能的继任者。

    副总统是克里姆林宫官员和顾问中使用的术语。自1993年宪法危机以来,副总统鲁茨科伊领导俄罗斯议会反抗总统鲍里斯·叶尔钦,俄罗斯还没有设立过有权接替或取代现任总统的副总统职位。库德林声称这一安排得到了美国和欧盟的支持。库德林还将利用俄罗斯国内外寡头的支持。
     
    http://johnhelmer.net/vice-president-for-capitulation-putin-decides-what-job-to-give-kudrin/

    回复:@reiner Tor

  80. @reiner Tor
    @米特勒

    普京的实力显然很弱。

    我认为他在叙利亚危机中很弱,尽管我也认为美国人在那里也很弱,所以这并不重要。

    但他很可能无法胜任与一个日益疯狂的对手处理不断升级的冲突的任务,这个对手没有理性的目标,也不受任何习俗、法律或协议的约束。例如,他们闯入外交大楼。

    目前还不清楚普京如何投降。它会是什么样子?美国人会接受什么?他们愿意承诺接受俄罗斯在任何地方的合法利益吗?至少在俄罗斯境内是这样吗?或者他们会因为车臣的同性婚姻或人权而继续向他们施加压力,甚至在其境内?我猜是后者。

    回复:@German_reader、@Anatoly Karlin、@Mitleser

    例如,他们闯入外交大楼。

    一定是漏掉了,它指的是什么?

    • 回复: @Mitleser
    @German_reader


    随后,25 月 2 日,美军闯入俄罗斯驻西雅图领事馆。这是美国第二次对俄罗斯驻美国外交领土发动此类袭击;较早的一次是2017年XNUMX月XNUMX日,当时俄罗斯驻旧金山领事馆,同时俄罗斯驻华盛顿和纽约贸易代表团办事处。

    俄罗斯外交部称美国的行为是“非法入侵”,违反了《维也纳公约》,但不是战争行为。
     
    http://johnhelmer.net/the-samson-haircut-option-one-step-before-russia-opens-fire-on-american-israeli-forces/

    回复:@German_reader

  81. @for-the-record
    @匿名co夫

    引用詹姆斯并不是什么“证据”,这本书是一个真正的异常值,令人惊讶的是它被包含在“语料库”中——大概这是因为作者被认为是“主的兄弟”。

    雅各主张通过行为而不是信仰来得救,这与教会采用并仍然坚持的保罗教义完全矛盾:

    雅各:“你们看,人称义是因着他所做的事,并不是单因着信。”(雅各书 2:24)

    保罗:“我们说,人称义是因着信,不在乎遵行律法……”(罗马书 3:28)

    回复:@Greasy William,@Anon

    没有人真正相信单靠信心就能得救,无论他们怎么说。

    如果有人因接受耶稣为他们的主和救主而“得救”,但随后在自杀前开枪射杀了麦当劳,“唯有信仰”类型的人只会说这个人从一开始就从未真正得救。

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    如果有人因接受耶稣为他们的主和救主而“得救”,但随后在自杀前开枪射杀了麦当劳

     

    但如果他在临终前忏悔并坦白,事情可能会有所不同。
    只要看看一些天主教徒对鲁道夫·霍斯的看法即可:

    https://aleteia.org/2016/03/04/how-the-commandant-of-auschwitz-found-gods-mercy/
  82. @Greasy William
    @作为记录

    没有人真正相信单靠信心就能得救,无论他们怎么说。

    如果有人因接受耶稣为他们的主和救主而“得救”,但随后在自杀前开枪射杀了麦当劳,那么“唯有信仰”类型的人只会说这个人从一开始就从未真正得救。

    回复:@German_reader

    如果有人因接受耶稣为他们的主和救主而“得救”,但随后在自杀前开枪射杀了麦当劳

    但如果他在临终前忏悔并坦白,事情可能会有所不同。
    只要看看一些天主教徒对鲁道夫·霍斯的看法即可:

    https://aleteia.org/2016/03/04/how-the-commandant-of-auschwitz-found-gods-mercy/

  83. @German_reader
    @reiner托尔


    例如,他们闯入外交大楼。
     
    一定是漏掉了,它指的是什么?

    回复:@Mitleser

    随后,25 月 2 日,美军闯入俄罗斯驻西雅图领事馆。这是美国第二次对俄罗斯驻美国外交领土发动此类袭击;较早的一次是2017年XNUMX月XNUMX日,当时俄罗斯驻旧金山领事馆,同时俄罗斯驻华盛顿和纽约贸易代表团办事处。

    俄罗斯外交部称美国的行为是“非法入侵”,违反了《维也纳公约》,但不是战争行为。

    http://johnhelmer.net/the-samson-haircut-option-one-step-before-russia-opens-fire-on-american-israeli-forces/

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @米特勒

    谢谢,我错过了。

  84. @reiner Tor
    @米特勒

    普京的实力显然很弱。

    我认为他在叙利亚危机中很弱,尽管我也认为美国人在那里也很弱,所以这并不重要。

    但他很可能无法胜任与一个日益疯狂的对手处理不断升级的冲突的任务,这个对手没有理性的目标,也不受任何习俗、法律或协议的约束。例如,他们闯入外交大楼。

    目前还不清楚普京如何投降。它会是什么样子?美国人会接受什么?他们愿意承诺接受俄罗斯在任何地方的合法利益吗?至少在俄罗斯境内是这样吗?或者他们会因为车臣的同性婚姻或人权而继续向他们施加压力,甚至在其境内?我猜是后者。

    回复:@German_reader、@Anatoly Karlin、@Mitleser

    这有点过分了;闯入外交大楼与西雅图领事馆有关,无论如何,俄罗斯人已被命令撤离该领事馆(作为回应,俄罗斯关闭了美国驻西雅图领事馆)。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @Anatoly卡琳

    在奥巴马政府的最后几周,他们非法关闭了一个外交大院。 我认为尽管它归俄罗斯所有,但他们仍然没有归还。 西雅图大楼也继续为俄罗斯政府所有。 他们不能只是移除锁并闯入它。 至少他们可以要求合作。

    他们对俄罗斯的态度显然比对苏联严厉得多。 唯一能与更强大国家的待遇进行比较的是他们对待日本帝国和纳粹德国的方式。 当然,他们对俄罗斯的严厉程度仍不及对伊朗的严厉。 但对伊朗的待遇也有些反常。 他们在冷战期间是否曾单方面对任何国家实施过如此严厉的制裁?

    回复:@Mitleser、@yevardian、@JL、@Bukephalos、@utu

  85. @Mitleser
    @German_reader


    随后,25 月 2 日,美军闯入俄罗斯驻西雅图领事馆。这是美国第二次对俄罗斯驻美国外交领土发动此类袭击;较早的一次是2017年XNUMX月XNUMX日,当时俄罗斯驻旧金山领事馆,同时俄罗斯驻华盛顿和纽约贸易代表团办事处。

    俄罗斯外交部称美国的行为是“非法入侵”,违反了《维也纳公约》,但不是战争行为。
     
    http://johnhelmer.net/the-samson-haircut-option-one-step-before-russia-opens-fire-on-american-israeli-forces/

    回复:@German_reader

    谢谢,我错过了。

  86. 你们高估了作为美国大战略一部分的恐俄症。

    五角大楼和国务院关心一件事:保护美国霸权。他们对摧毁俄罗斯不感兴趣,他们想“捍卫”——没有更好的词来形容——反对俄罗斯对美国单极的侵犯。

    这就是国际关系的运作方式,而且一直都是这样。只要俄罗斯继续试图与美国竞争,美国就会予以反击。当美国不再能够为其帝国野心提供资金时,这种情况将会改变,而不是以前。

    我还想指出,最近威胁发动种族灭绝核战争的是俄罗斯,而不是美国。

    关于叙利亚:我认为美国和俄罗斯在叙利亚问题上意见一致:阿萨德继续掌权,俄罗斯和伊朗留在该国。所以俄罗斯得到了它想要的大部分东西。美国的直接参与程度低于俄罗斯的直接参与程度,如果没有美国,伊斯兰国仍将发展壮大。如果美国真想在叙利亚让俄罗斯流血,他们就可以做到。但他们却像对待一潭死水一样对待它。

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    这就是国际关系的运作方式,而且一直都是这样。
     
    我想说,美国永久全球霸权的概念如果实现,将废除传统理解的国际关系概念。
    美国精英的野心既不合理也不理性,没有一个有自尊的大国能够接受你们所谓的“美国单极”。

    回复:@Greasy William、@Mitleser

    , @Mitleser
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    我还想指出,最近威胁发动种族灭绝核战争的是俄罗斯,而不是美国。
     
    因为这是遏制美国对叙利亚最新侵略的唯一途径。
  87. 俄罗斯未来几年预算政策概要:减少军费开支;更多的基础设施、医疗保健、教育支出。

    “选举即政权公投”的迹象?

    毕竟,格鲁季宁确实击败了所有人,但普京却击败了他过去的表现,这要归功于克里米亚。

  88. @Greasy William
    你们高估了作为美国大战略一部分的恐俄症。

    五角大楼和国务院关心一件事:保护美国霸权。他们对摧毁俄罗斯不感兴趣,他们想“捍卫”——没有更好的词来形容——反对俄罗斯对美国单极的侵犯。

    这就是国际关系的运作方式,而且一直都是这样。只要俄罗斯继续试图与美国竞争,美国就会予以反击。当美国不再能够为其帝国野心提供资金时,这种情况将会改变,而不是以前。

    我还想指出,最近威胁发动种族灭绝核战争的是俄罗斯,而不是美国。

    关于叙利亚:我认为美国和俄罗斯在叙利亚问题上意见一致:阿萨德继续掌权,俄罗斯和伊朗留在该国。所以俄罗斯得到了它想要的大部分东西。美国的直接参与程度低于俄罗斯的直接参与程度,如果没有美国,伊斯兰国仍将发展壮大。如果美国真想在叙利亚让俄罗斯流血,他们就可以做到。但他们却像对待一潭死水一样对待它。

    回复:@ German_reader,@ Mitleser

    这就是国际关系的运作方式,而且一直都是这样。

    我想说,美国永久全球霸权的概念如果实现,将废除传统理解的国际关系概念。
    美国精英的野心既不合理也不理性,没有一个有自尊的大国能够接受你们所谓的“美国单极”。

    • 回复: @Greasy William
    @German_reader

    我没有说他们应该接受它,我说的是美国不可避免地会试图保留它。

    回复:@Mitleser

    , @Mitleser
    @German_reader


    美国精英的野心既不合理也不理性,没有一个有自尊的大国能够接受你们所谓的“美国单极”。
     
    他们可以,但这需要美国精英a)更具包容性并尊重他人的利益,b)足够强大以执行他们的命令。

    中国的崛起破坏了b),而a)的不足又加剧了与俄罗斯、后苏联的朝鲜和其他国家的冲突,从而限制了单极。

    但也许华盛顿的罗马需要与“野蛮人”发生冲突。
  89. @Greasy William
    你们高估了作为美国大战略一部分的恐俄症。

    五角大楼和国务院关心一件事:保护美国霸权。他们对摧毁俄罗斯不感兴趣,他们想“捍卫”——没有更好的词来形容——反对俄罗斯对美国单极的侵犯。

    这就是国际关系的运作方式,而且一直都是这样。只要俄罗斯继续试图与美国竞争,美国就会予以反击。当美国不再能够为其帝国野心提供资金时,这种情况将会改变,而不是以前。

    我还想指出,最近威胁发动种族灭绝核战争的是俄罗斯,而不是美国。

    关于叙利亚:我认为美国和俄罗斯在叙利亚问题上意见一致:阿萨德继续掌权,俄罗斯和伊朗留在该国。所以俄罗斯得到了它想要的大部分东西。美国的直接参与程度低于俄罗斯的直接参与程度,如果没有美国,伊斯兰国仍将发展壮大。如果美国真想在叙利亚让俄罗斯流血,他们就可以做到。但他们却像对待一潭死水一样对待它。

    回复:@ German_reader,@ Mitleser

    我还想指出,最近威胁发动种族灭绝核战争的是俄罗斯,而不是美国。

    因为这是遏制美国对叙利亚最新侵略的唯一途径。

  90. @German_reader
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    这就是国际关系的运作方式,而且一直都是这样。
     
    我想说,美国永久全球霸权的概念如果实现,将废除传统理解的国际关系概念。
    美国精英的野心既不合理也不理性,没有一个有自尊的大国能够接受你们所谓的“美国单极”。

    回复:@Greasy William、@Mitleser

    我没有说他们应该接受它,我说的是美国不可避免地会试图保留它。

    • 回复: @Mitleser
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    克里姆林宫之所以如此困扰美国的单极,是因为他们被排除在外,反而一次又一次地遭到对抗。

    这是不可避免的,因为华盛顿希望它是不可避免的。

    回复:@Greasy William

  91. @German_reader
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    这就是国际关系的运作方式,而且一直都是这样。
     
    我想说,美国永久全球霸权的概念如果实现,将废除传统理解的国际关系概念。
    美国精英的野心既不合理也不理性,没有一个有自尊的大国能够接受你们所谓的“美国单极”。

    回复:@Greasy William、@Mitleser

    美国精英的野心既不合理也不理性,没有一个有自尊的大国能够接受你们所谓的“美国单极”。

    他们可以,但这需要美国精英a)更具包容性并尊重他人的利益,b)足够强大以执行他们的命令。

    中国的崛起破坏了b),而a)的不足又加剧了与俄罗斯、后苏联的朝鲜和其他国家的冲突,从而限制了单极。

    但也许华盛顿的罗马需要与“野蛮人”发生冲突。

  92. @Greasy William
    @German_reader

    我没有说他们应该接受它,我说的是美国不可避免地会试图保留它。

    回复:@Mitleser

    克里姆林宫之所以如此困扰美国的单极,是因为他们被排除在外,反而一次又一次地遭到对抗。

    这是不可避免的,因为华盛顿希望它是不可避免的。

    • 回复: @Greasy William
    @米特勒


    这是不可避免的,因为华盛顿希望它是不可避免的。
     
    确切地。这就是我的观点。

    只要美国能够继续这样做,它就会这样做。当它不再能够这样做时,它就会停止,而不是之前。
  93. @Mitleser
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    克里姆林宫之所以如此困扰美国的单极,是因为他们被排除在外,反而一次又一次地遭到对抗。

    这是不可避免的,因为华盛顿希望它是不可避免的。

    回复:@Greasy William

    这是不可避免的,因为华盛顿希望它是不可避免的。

    确切地。这就是我的观点。

    只要美国能够继续这样做,它就会这样做。当它不再能够这样做时,它就会停止,而不是之前。

  94. @RadicalCenter
    @托尔芬森

    厌倦了你们这些狗屎,非理性粗鲁的天主教狂热分子和非理性粗鲁的反天主教狂热分子。所以让我粗鲁地回报一下。普通人不喜欢你们两个狂热傻瓜阵营的什么?

    假装确定我们无法确定的事情,并对那些指出你不知道也不可能真正了解的人的信仰、善意、智力或“圣经知识”提出质疑你声称自己确切地知道。

    表现得好像其他基督教教派的人都不是真正的基督徒,甚至不是好人。

    新教关于 RC 崇拜玛丽的废话。还有关于玛丽是圣灵的配偶、神职人员与教会联姻等令人毛骨悚然的RC言论。

    争论一些实际上并不重要的事情,而且教会本身已经改变了立场,比如转世。

    期望其他人接受你的争论——或者只是断言或猜测——因为你用大写字母和“章节”引用了《圣经》。

    相信那些遵循黄金法则生活并忠实、诚实、勤奋、和平、仁慈、合理地生活的人,如果他们不相信耶稣是神或神的儿子,或者即使他们相信但属于“错误”的教派。

    行话。该死的行话。 RC 和浸信会这两个我们都熟悉的教派有很多奇怪的、令人反感的行话,常常无法说明问题。它可能被用来让事情听起来更戏剧化、更重要、更令人印象深刻、更有权威,但它只是让人困惑并且听起来很荒谬。行话还被用来让信徒感觉他们是一个非会员无法理解的特殊精英俱乐部的一部分。

    回复:@German_reader、@German_reader、@Anatoly Karlin、@Thorfinnsson

    猜猜谁没读过你的帖子🙂

  95. @German_reader
    @激进中心

    我认为托芬森只是在恶作剧,假装自己是当今的无知者。
    至少我希望如此...

    回复:@reiner Tor,@ Thorfinnsson

    无论我的球队是什么,我都是职业球员。由于历史的原因,比意味着新教。鲭鱼鲷鱼之死。

    这并不意味着我投入了神学辩论,甚至对它们一无所知。

    如今整个辩论显然很奇怪,因为我们有更大的问题需要担心。

  96. 我认为这只是在美国——2018 年人们对宗教的争论如此激烈,对神学的了解如此之多。至少他们没有把这个纳入 GRE 考试中。

    • 回复: @Greasy William
    @德米特里

    由于美国坚守自己的信仰,它成为了世界上最强大的国家。现在它已经失去了信仰,它正在走向遗忘。

    没有对上帝的信仰和崇拜,就不会有可持续的繁荣。

    回复:@AaronB、@Thorfinnsson、@reiner Tor、@Dmitry

  97. @Dmitry
    我认为这只是在美国——2018 年人们对宗教的争论如此激烈,对神学的了解如此之多。至少他们没有把这个纳入 GRE 考试中。

    回复:@Greasy William

    由于美国坚守自己的信仰,它成为了世界上最强大的国家。现在它已经失去了信仰,它正在走向遗忘。

    没有对上帝的信仰和崇拜,就不会有可持续的繁荣。

    • 同意: AP
    • 回复: @AaronB
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    部分正确。

    越来越明显的是,健康的繁荣取决于对上帝的信仰。帝国的野心和淫荡的财富,取决于与上帝的违背,并且总是崩溃的前兆。

    , @Thorfinnsson
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    一个叫“威廉”的人他妈是个混蛋?!

    回复:@ for-the-record

    , @reiner Tor
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    一般来说,一个社会要强大就需要有一定的宗教和灵性。一旦失去它(而走向星座和神秘崇拜的虚假灵性),它就会颓废,崩溃很快就会随之而来。

    尽管罗马在那之后设法保持了几个世纪的发展。

    回复:@German_reader

    , @Dmitry
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    没有对上帝的信仰和崇拜,就不会有可持续的繁荣。

     

    宗教与繁荣之间的关联在哪里?

    对于某些社区(例如美国的摩门教徒),已有研究。

    但对于整个国家来说,我预计不会有任何关系,甚至在很小的程度上是相反的关系。
  98. @for-the-record
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    这不是信仰危机,但我从小就是基督徒,所以我一直对基督教神学保持着兴趣。

    那么,是什么让你皈依了这个宗教,而这个宗教的信徒自愿、公开地承担了你前任导师流血的责任(马太福音 27:24-25)?

    回复:@DFH、@Greasy William

    那么,是什么让你皈依了这个宗教,而这个宗教的信徒自愿、公开地承担了你前任导师流血的责任(马太福音 27:24-25)?

    我没有转换。我是犹太人,母亲是犹太人。碰巧的是,我妈妈非常讨厌犹太教,所以我是在我的 WASP 父亲的半途而废的美式基督教中长大的,尽管有一些非常零星的犹太节日庆祝活动。

    在高中时,我开始靠自己的力量拥抱真正的基督教(长话),然后失去信仰(长话),成为一个好战的、然后冷漠的无神论者(长话)。

    犹太教随之而来(说来话长)。

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    感谢您提供多个长篇故事的简短版本。

    我的父亲是犹太人(他的父母来自乌克兰各地),尽管他在很小的时候就放弃了犹太人的生活,原因我从来不知道。我的母亲是基督教科学家(直到上大学之前从未看过医生或牙医),我们本质上是作为非宗教人士长大的,尽管我们确实在光明节玩陀螺,当然还有所有正常的圣诞节装饰。

    回复:@reiner Tor,@ Dmitry

  99. @Greasy William
    @德米特里

    由于美国坚守自己的信仰,它成为了世界上最强大的国家。现在它已经失去了信仰,它正在走向遗忘。

    没有对上帝的信仰和崇拜,就不会有可持续的繁荣。

    回复:@AaronB、@Thorfinnsson、@reiner Tor、@Dmitry

    部分正确。

    越来越明显的是,健康的繁荣取决于对上帝的信仰。帝国的野心和淫荡的财富,取决于与上帝的违背,并且总是崩溃的前兆。

    • 同意: Greasy William
  100. 健康的繁荣取决于对上帝的信仰

    “对上帝的信仰”是一种只有美国人才能使用的镇痛术语……正如艾森豪威尔所说,“我们的政府没有任何意义,除非它建立在深深的宗教信仰之上,而我不在乎它是什么”。如果你不想谈论具体的神学,那么谈论上帝有什么意义呢?

    帝国的野心和淫荡的财富,取决于与上帝的违背

    伊斯兰教早期几个世纪的哈里发士兵或16世纪西班牙的士兵有很大的帝国野心,毫无疑问他们中的许多人相信他们正在执行上帝的旨意,因此这似乎是一种相当片面的观点。

    • 回复: @AaronB
    @German_reader


    如果你不想谈论具体的神学,那么谈论上帝有什么意义呢?
     
    你是对的,我们必须明确地制定和选择一种宗教——即使它是融合的,或者在重要方面是新的。我们绝对不能停留在笼统的水平上,你说得很对。

    我的意思只是说,很明显,坚持不同信仰的不同社区可以蓬勃发展,并且历史悠久。似乎有很多通往上帝的合法途径。历史表明,唯一确定的衰落之路就是失去通往上帝的道路。

    伊斯兰教早期几个世纪的哈里发士兵或16世纪西班牙的士兵有很大的帝国野心,毫无疑问他们中的许多人相信他们正在执行上帝的旨意,因此这似乎是一种相当片面的观点。
     
    我认为仔细阅读历史就会发现,你的每个例子都紧接着一段衰退时期。约翰·格鲁布 (John Glubb) 对 8 世纪和 9 世纪巴格达的社会衰落发表了一些非常中肯且具有启发性的评论,这些评论惊人地反映了我们在伊斯兰扩张之后的时期的社会衰落,甚至到了女权主义(!),当然,众所周知,黄金时代征服美洲后不久,西班牙的财富和权力就衰落了。

    格鲁布的文章考察了直到英国为止的所有已知帝国,发现在繁荣扩张时期之后立即出现了一种非常一致的衰落模式。

    因为事实上,当帝国的野心取代了合法的繁荣时,你就已经转向过度的物质主义并破坏了对上帝的信仰。

    回复:@Thorfinnsson

  101. @Greasy William
    @德米特里

    由于美国坚守自己的信仰,它成为了世界上最强大的国家。现在它已经失去了信仰,它正在走向遗忘。

    没有对上帝的信仰和崇拜,就不会有可持续的繁荣。

    回复:@AaronB、@Thorfinnsson、@reiner Tor、@Dmitry

    一个叫“威廉”的人他妈是个混蛋?!

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @托尔芬森

    一个叫“威廉”的人他妈是个混蛋?!

    威廉·夏特纳?

  102. @German_reader

    健康的繁荣取决于对上帝的信仰
     
    “对上帝的信仰”是一种只有美国人才能使用的镇痛术语……正如艾森豪威尔所说,“我们的政府没有任何意义,除非它建立在深刻的宗教信仰之上,而我不在乎它是什么” 。如果你不想谈论具体的神学,那么谈论上帝有什么意义呢?

    帝国的野心和淫荡的财富,取决于与上帝的违背
     
    伊斯兰教早期几个世纪的哈里发士兵或16世纪西班牙的士兵有很大的帝国野心,毫无疑问他们中的许多人相信他们正在执行上帝的旨意,因此这似乎是一种相当片面的观点。

    回复:@AaronB

    如果你不想谈论具体的神学,那么谈论上帝有什么意义呢?

    你是对的,我们必须明确地制定和选择一种宗教——即使它是融合的,或者在重要方面是新的。我们绝对不能停留在笼统的水平上,你说得很对。

    我的意思只是说,很明显,坚持不同信仰的不同社区可以蓬勃发展,并且历史悠久。似乎有很多通往上帝的合法途径。历史表明,唯一确定的衰落之路就是失去通往上帝的道路。

    伊斯兰教早期几个世纪的哈里发士兵或16世纪西班牙的士兵有很大的帝国野心,毫无疑问他们中的许多人相信他们正在执行上帝的旨意,因此这似乎是一种相当片面的观点。

    我认为仔细阅读历史就会发现,你的每个例子都紧接着一段衰退时期。约翰·格鲁布 (John Glubb) 对 8 世纪和 9 世纪巴格达的社会衰落发表了一些非常中肯且具有启发性的评论,这些评论惊人地反映了我们在伊斯兰扩张之后的时期的社会衰落,甚至到了女权主义(!),当然,众所周知,黄金时代征服美洲后不久,西班牙的财富和权力就衰落了。

    格鲁布的文章考察了直到英国为止的所有已知帝国,发现在繁荣扩张时期之后立即出现了一种非常一致的衰落模式。

    因为事实上,当帝国的野心取代了合法的繁荣时,你就已经转向过度的物质主义并破坏了对上帝的信仰。

    • 回复: @Thorfinnsson
    @亚伦B

    格鲁布帕夏的文章非常好,但还有更简单、更平庸的解释。

    1 - 回归均值
    2 - 帝国的成功会导致其他人加强他们的游戏并结成联盟来对抗你

    以拿破仑战争或第二次世界大战为例。拿破仑和国防军的相对表现逐渐恶化,而他们的敌人则逐渐变得更好(并积累了优势资源)。

    今天,我们可以从美国愚蠢政策创建的新的俄中联盟中看到这一点。这就引出了第三点。正如希腊人所说,狂妄自大会滋生报应。

    或者摘自我们宏伟的《钦定版圣经》箴言 16:18:


    骄傲在毁灭之前出现,傲慢的精神在跌倒之前出现。
     

    回复:@for-the-record,@DFH

  103. @Anatoly Karlin
    @reiner托尔

    这有点过分了;闯入外交大楼与西雅图领事馆有关,无论如何,俄罗斯人已被命令撤离该领事馆(作为回应,俄罗斯关闭了美国驻西雅图领事馆)。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    在奥巴马政府的最后几周,他们非法关闭了一个外交大院。 我认为尽管它归俄罗斯所有,但他们仍然没有归还。 西雅图大楼也继续为俄罗斯政府所有。 他们不能只是移除锁并闯入它。 至少他们可以要求合作。

    他们对俄罗斯的态度显然比对苏联严厉得多。 唯一能与更强大国家的待遇进行比较的是他们对待日本帝国和纳粹德国的方式。 当然,他们对俄罗斯的严厉程度仍不及对伊朗的严厉。 但对伊朗的待遇也有些反常。 他们在冷战期间是否曾单方面对任何国家实施过如此严厉的制裁?

    • 回复: @Mitleser
    @reiner托尔

    古巴?

    回复:@reiner Tor

    , @yevardian
    @reiner托尔

    伊朗需要成为榜样。除了朝鲜之外,没有哪个同等规模的国家能够如此成功地、如此长时间地独立对抗美国。与俄罗斯相反,波斯精英确实显得不可调和,而俄罗斯似乎只要受到尊重,他们中的大多数人都会很乐意在美国霸权下合作。即使现在伊朗在国际事务中保持顽强的独立性仍然令人敬佩,波斯人也没有忘记苏联占领该国并建立傀儡国家的短暂插曲。

    回复:@utu

    , @JL
    @reiner托尔

    作为报复,俄罗斯人没收了美国人在塞雷布尼博尔的别墅。你不知道这一点吗?

    回复:@reiner Tor

    , @Bukephalos
    @reiner托尔

    经常表现得不稳定、过度和歇斯底里并不是力量的标志。

    在上述阿纳托利链接的瓦尔代俱乐部文章中,发言者陈东晓指出“社会不稳定因素日益增多的美国本身正在成为世界上最不稳定的国家。”这难道不是事实陈述吗?

    回复:@reiner Tor

    , @utu
    @reiner托尔


    他们对俄罗斯的态度显然比对苏联严厉得多。
     
    他们害怕苏联,并因其单一的意识形态和内部纪律而尊重它。现在的俄罗斯就像任何其他国家一样,都是贪婪和腐败的政客,他们什么都不相信,也没有什么可以依靠的,因此他们可以被贿赂和恐吓。叶利钦时代清楚地证明了这一点。

    回复:@reiner Tor

  104. @reiner Tor
    @Anatoly卡琳

    在奥巴马政府的最后几周,他们非法关闭了一个外交大院。 我认为尽管它归俄罗斯所有,但他们仍然没有归还。 西雅图大楼也继续为俄罗斯政府所有。 他们不能只是移除锁并闯入它。 至少他们可以要求合作。

    他们对俄罗斯的态度显然比对苏联严厉得多。 唯一能与更强大国家的待遇进行比较的是他们对待日本帝国和纳粹德国的方式。 当然,他们对俄罗斯的严厉程度仍不及对伊朗的严厉。 但对伊朗的待遇也有些反常。 他们在冷战期间是否曾单方面对任何国家实施过如此严厉的制裁?

    回复:@Mitleser、@yevardian、@JL、@Bukephalos、@utu

    古巴?

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @米特勒

    这是不同的。那是美国的后院,苏联人根本就咄咄逼人地想要去那里。

    在古巴危机期间,国际法站在苏联一边。但根据冷战惯例,他们是侵略者,因为他们在一个几年前还是美国半殖民地的国家开展活动。想象一下,如果在1968年入侵捷克斯洛伐克之前,政府邀请美国军队前往捷克斯洛伐克:可能会引发一场核战争。

    美国人最终没有因为古巴而发动第三次世界大战(尽管这几乎发生了),但他们完全有权利生气。如果 3 年发生第三次世界大战,那绝对不会是美国单方面的侵略。

    即使对古巴,这也是常规的贸易禁运。他们没有像加拿大或墨西哥那样制裁那些与古巴进行贸易的人。美国不能仅仅通过对俄罗斯实施贸易禁运来对俄罗斯造成太大伤害,因为他们的贸易量并不大。这是对与俄铝等有业务联系的第三方的制裁,这造成了伤害。

    他们在冷战期间是否曾经对不合规的第三方企业实施过单方面制裁?

    回复:@Mitleser,@for-the-record

  105. @Mitleser
    @reiner托尔

    古巴?

    回复:@reiner Tor

    这是不同的。那是美国的后院,苏联人根本就咄咄逼人地想要去那里。

    在古巴危机期间,国际法站在苏联一边。但根据冷战惯例,他们是侵略者,因为他们在一个几年前还是美国半殖民地的国家开展活动。想象一下,如果在1968年入侵捷克斯洛伐克之前,政府邀请美国军队前往捷克斯洛伐克:可能会引发一场核战争。

    美国人最终没有因为古巴而发动第三次世界大战(尽管这几乎发生了),但他们完全有权利生气。如果 3 年发生第三次世界大战,那绝对不会是美国单方面的侵略。

    即使对古巴,这也是常规的贸易禁运。他们没有像加拿大或墨西哥那样制裁那些与古巴进行贸易的人。美国不能仅仅通过对俄罗斯实施贸易禁运来对俄罗斯造成太大伤害,因为他们的贸易量并不大。这是对与俄铝等有业务联系的第三方的制裁,这造成了伤害。

    他们在冷战期间是否曾经对不合规的第三方企业实施过单方面制裁?

    • 回复: @Mitleser
    @reiner托尔


    那是美国的后院
     
    就像伊朗和后苏联的俄罗斯一样。

    这是对与俄铝等有业务联系的第三方的制裁,这造成了伤害。

    他们在冷战期间是否曾经对不合规的第三方企业实施过单方面制裁?
     
    时代变了。
    如今,世界更加全球化,美国更加中心化,对第三方的制裁成为世界统治大国有吸引力的武器。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    , @for-the-record
    @reiner托尔

    即使对古巴,这也是常规的贸易禁运。他们没有像加拿大或墨西哥那样制裁那些与古巴进行贸易的人。

    又是一个不眠之夜?因为这是对美国对古巴禁运的一种相当误导的看法。如果这只是美国不与古巴进行贸易,那么你当然是对的。但美国确实延长了禁运,以阻止其他国家与古巴进行贸易——因此,如果你是一家瑞士制药公司,你可以与美国进行贸易,也可以与古巴进行贸易,但不能两者都进行。那么您认为这家瑞士制药公司会做什么呢?

    如果你是一家欧洲银行,为与古巴的贸易提供融资,你将被美国罚款(缴纳罚款的违规者名单很长,其中包括许多主要参与者)。

    还有无数其他例子可以引用,而且这种情况一直如此:


    尽管与古巴建立了新关系,美国仍对被指控违反禁运的公司处以罚款

    在巴拉克·奥巴马总统准备下个月访问古巴之际,美国继续对被指控违反美国对该岛禁运的公司处以罚款。 。 。

    最新被罚款的公司是法国地球科学公司 CGG Services,该公司为石油和天然气勘探以及地震勘探提供备件、服务和设备。 。 。

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article62050647.html

     

    美国制裁的治外法权实际上已经到了荒唐可笑的地步。因此,几年前在伦敦举办了一场慈善活动,筹集资金向古巴的一所音乐学院捐赠一架钢琴。不幸的是,活动的组织者没有意识到与他们签约组织门票销售的公司是一家美国实体。结果当然是所有资金都被没收了。人们愤怒不已,却又毫无办法。

    https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/U.K.-Effort-to-Donate-Piano-to-Cuba-Blocked-by-U.S.-Embargo-20160822-0008.html

    回复:@reiner Tor

  106. @reiner Tor
    @米特勒

    这是不同的。那是美国的后院,苏联人根本就咄咄逼人地想要去那里。

    在古巴危机期间,国际法站在苏联一边。但根据冷战惯例,他们是侵略者,因为他们在一个几年前还是美国半殖民地的国家开展活动。想象一下,如果在1968年入侵捷克斯洛伐克之前,政府邀请美国军队前往捷克斯洛伐克:可能会引发一场核战争。

    美国人最终没有因为古巴而发动第三次世界大战(尽管这几乎发生了),但他们完全有权利生气。如果 3 年发生第三次世界大战,那绝对不会是美国单方面的侵略。

    即使对古巴,这也是常规的贸易禁运。他们没有像加拿大或墨西哥那样制裁那些与古巴进行贸易的人。美国不能仅仅通过对俄罗斯实施贸易禁运来对俄罗斯造成太大伤害,因为他们的贸易量并不大。这是对与俄铝等有业务联系的第三方的制裁,这造成了伤害。

    他们在冷战期间是否曾经对不合规的第三方企业实施过单方面制裁?

    回复:@Mitleser,@for-the-record

    那是美国的后院

    就像伊朗和后苏联的俄罗斯一样。

    这是对与俄铝等有业务联系的第三方的制裁,这造成了伤害。

    他们在冷战期间是否曾经对不合规的第三方企业实施过单方面制裁?

    时代变了。
    如今,世界更加全球化,美国更加中心化,对第三方的制裁成为世界统治大国有吸引力的武器。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @米特勒

    不,伊朗从来都不是俄罗斯的后院,就像古巴是美国的后院一样。古巴已经被美国军事占领了一段时​​间,它的独立在很大程度上是靠美国人的鲜血赢得的,它的土地上有美国的军事基地,它的政府是美国人一时兴起而辞职的,等等。

    伊朗一直独立于俄罗斯,它充其量只是一个令人不安的松散盟友,而且俄罗斯和伊朗之间并没有失去太多的爱。情况根本就没有可比性。


    时代变了。
     
    这就是我所说的。正如您所写,世界更加全球化可能是一种解释。但我也认为美国和西方精英总体上变得更加疯狂。冷战期间,欧洲盟国会对此类单边行动进行强烈抵制。现在有一些抱怨,但不多。

    回复:@Mitleser

  107. @German_reader
    @reiner托尔

    Daniel Chieh(他的妻子不仅允许他玩电子游戏……显然她自己也玩……书呆子的梦想成真!)。

    回复:@reiner Tor、@yevardian、@Daniel Chieh

    可惜《文明 IV》是 Firaxis 最后一款值得玩的游戏。

  108. @Mitleser
    @reiner托尔


    那是美国的后院
     
    就像伊朗和后苏联的俄罗斯一样。

    这是对与俄铝等有业务联系的第三方的制裁,这造成了伤害。

    他们在冷战期间是否曾经对不合规的第三方企业实施过单方面制裁?
     
    时代变了。
    如今,世界更加全球化,美国更加中心化,对第三方的制裁成为世界统治大国有吸引力的武器。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    不,伊朗从来都不是俄罗斯的后院,就像古巴是美国的后院一样。古巴已经被美国军事占领了一段时​​间,它的独立在很大程度上是靠美国人的鲜血赢得的,它的土地上有美国的军事基地,它的政府是美国人一时兴起而辞职的,等等。

    伊朗一直独立于俄罗斯,它充其量只是一个令人不安的松散盟友,而且俄罗斯和伊朗之间并没有失去太多的爱。情况根本就没有可比性。

    时代变了。

    这就是我所说的。正如您所写,世界更加全球化可能是一种解释。但我也认为美国和西方精英总体上变得更加疯狂。冷战期间,欧洲盟国会对此类单边行动进行强烈抵制。现在有一些抱怨,但不多。

    • 回复: @Mitleser
    @reiner托尔

    我并不是说伊朗是俄罗斯的后院*。

    我是说伊朗和后苏联的俄罗斯是美国的后院。

    *仅伊朗(部分)北部地区


    冷战期间,欧洲盟国会对此类单边行动进行强烈抵制。
     
    这些精英仍然记得美国还不是西欧主导力量的时代。
    如今,统治精英由那些在化学战之后变得重要并接受几乎不受约束的美国统治地位的人组成。

    回复:@reiner Tor

  109. @reiner Tor
    @Anatoly卡琳

    在奥巴马政府的最后几周,他们非法关闭了一个外交大院。 我认为尽管它归俄罗斯所有,但他们仍然没有归还。 西雅图大楼也继续为俄罗斯政府所有。 他们不能只是移除锁并闯入它。 至少他们可以要求合作。

    他们对俄罗斯的态度显然比对苏联严厉得多。 唯一能与更强大国家的待遇进行比较的是他们对待日本帝国和纳粹德国的方式。 当然,他们对俄罗斯的严厉程度仍不及对伊朗的严厉。 但对伊朗的待遇也有些反常。 他们在冷战期间是否曾单方面对任何国家实施过如此严厉的制裁?

    回复:@Mitleser、@yevardian、@JL、@Bukephalos、@utu

    伊朗需要成为榜样。除了朝鲜之外,没有哪个同等规模的国家能够如此成功地、如此长时间地独立对抗美国。与俄罗斯相反,波斯精英确实显得不可调和,而俄罗斯似乎只要受到尊重,他们中的大多数人都会很乐意在美国霸权下合作。即使现在伊朗在国际事务中保持顽强的独立性仍然令人敬佩,波斯人也没有忘记苏联占领该国并建立傀儡国家的短暂插曲。

    • 回复: @utu
    @yevardian


    伊朗需要成为榜样。
     
    给谁做榜样?伊朗太大了。摧毁伊朗或许应该成为伊朗的教训。伊朗最大的罪行是,尽管 1979 年伊朗革命受挫,但它的运作相对良好。考虑一下伊朗革命的目的是为了阻止国王统治下伊朗的发展,因为拥有一个强大的伊朗并不意味着伊朗的发展。计划。尽管沙阿与美国和以色列关系都很好,但强大的伊朗让以色列感到紧张。从以色列的角度来看,伊朗与美国发生冲突是最理想的结果。

    奥巴马与伊朗达成的协议是他最伟大、最勇敢的成就,而最后的最后一击是不否决联合国针对以色列的决议。奥巴马确实不喜欢内塔尼亚胡和游说团体,当然,正如他在埃及的演讲所表明的那样,他想做更多的事情,但他受到了阻碍。瓦莱丽·贾雷特 (Valerie Jarret) 是白宫最重要的人物,她住在伊朗,会说帕西语,她可能在这笔交易中发挥了重要作用。

    破坏这笔交易是特朗普必须完成的唯一任务。可以说,伊朗是特朗普当选的唯一原因。撤销与伊朗的协议,激怒伊朗,以至于伊朗做出愚蠢的事情。

    回复:@reiner Tor,@Mitleser

  110. @reiner Tor
    @米特勒

    不,伊朗从来都不是俄罗斯的后院,就像古巴是美国的后院一样。古巴已经被美国军事占领了一段时​​间,它的独立在很大程度上是靠美国人的鲜血赢得的,它的土地上有美国的军事基地,它的政府是美国人一时兴起而辞职的,等等。

    伊朗一直独立于俄罗斯,它充其量只是一个令人不安的松散盟友,而且俄罗斯和伊朗之间并没有失去太多的爱。情况根本就没有可比性。


    时代变了。
     
    这就是我所说的。正如您所写,世界更加全球化可能是一种解释。但我也认为美国和西方精英总体上变得更加疯狂。冷战期间,欧洲盟国会对此类单边行动进行强烈抵制。现在有一些抱怨,但不多。

    回复:@Mitleser

    我并不是说伊朗是俄罗斯的后院*。

    我是说伊朗和后苏联的俄罗斯是美国的后院。

    *仅伊朗(部分)北部地区

    冷战期间,欧洲盟国会对此类单边行动进行强烈抵制。

    这些精英仍然记得美国还不是西欧主导力量的时代。
    如今,统治精英由那些在化学战之后变得重要并接受几乎不受约束的美国统治地位的人组成。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @米特勒

    后苏联时期的俄罗斯从来都不像古巴那样是美国的后院。你不能认真地提出它曾经是。

    伊朗本身曾一度受到国际(苏美)占领,然后成为美国的盟友。即便如此,它也从未被第三方占领,如果美国人没有不断施加压力,它就会保持严格的中立(与古巴不同)。

    伊朗的精英们也很乐意与美国人合作,他们总是不断地选举这些西化改革者当总统,结果却对美国人的持续好战感到失望。

  111. @Mitleser
    @reiner托尔

    我并不是说伊朗是俄罗斯的后院*。

    我是说伊朗和后苏联的俄罗斯是美国的后院。

    *仅伊朗(部分)北部地区


    冷战期间,欧洲盟国会对此类单边行动进行强烈抵制。
     
    这些精英仍然记得美国还不是西欧主导力量的时代。
    如今,统治精英由那些在化学战之后变得重要并接受几乎不受约束的美国统治地位的人组成。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    后苏联时期的俄罗斯从来都不像古巴那样是美国的后院。你不能认真地提出它曾经是。

    伊朗本身曾一度受到国际(苏美)占领,然后成为美国的盟友。即便如此,它也从未被第三方占领,如果美国人没有不断施加压力,它就会保持严格的中立(与古巴不同)。

    伊朗的精英们也很乐意与美国人合作,他们总是不断地选举这些西化改革者当总统,结果却对美国人的持续好战感到失望。

  112. @Greasy William
    @德米特里

    由于美国坚守自己的信仰,它成为了世界上最强大的国家。现在它已经失去了信仰,它正在走向遗忘。

    没有对上帝的信仰和崇拜,就不会有可持续的繁荣。

    回复:@AaronB、@Thorfinnsson、@reiner Tor、@Dmitry

    一般来说,一个社会要强大就需要有一定的宗教和灵性。一旦失去它(而走向星座和神秘崇拜的虚假灵性),它就会颓废,崩溃很快就会随之而来。

    尽管罗马在那之后设法保持了几个世纪的发展。

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @reiner托尔


    尽管罗马在那之后设法保持了几个世纪的发展。
     
    罗马只有在帝国皈依基督教后才崩溃,所以我不认为缺乏灵性可以作为原因。
    虽然到了三世纪末四世纪初,古老的邪教似乎确实已经失去了很大的吸引力,但这也不是一个普遍现象。戴克里先似乎真的相信他与朱庇特有私人关系,而朱利安皇帝当然是一个虔诚的异教徒,花了很多时间进行动物祭祀。
  113. @reiner Tor
    @Anatoly卡琳

    在奥巴马政府的最后几周,他们非法关闭了一个外交大院。 我认为尽管它归俄罗斯所有,但他们仍然没有归还。 西雅图大楼也继续为俄罗斯政府所有。 他们不能只是移除锁并闯入它。 至少他们可以要求合作。

    他们对俄罗斯的态度显然比对苏联严厉得多。 唯一能与更强大国家的待遇进行比较的是他们对待日本帝国和纳粹德国的方式。 当然,他们对俄罗斯的严厉程度仍不及对伊朗的严厉。 但对伊朗的待遇也有些反常。 他们在冷战期间是否曾单方面对任何国家实施过如此严厉的制裁?

    回复:@Mitleser、@yevardian、@JL、@Bukephalos、@utu

    作为报复,俄罗斯人没收了美国人在塞雷布尼博尔的别墅。你不知道这一点吗?

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @JL

    报复与发起此类行动不同。一方面,报复是合法的。另一方面,我确信美国的房地产价格更高,因此报复仍然可能意味着俄罗斯在货币价值方面损失更多。

    回复:@AP

  114. @JL
    @reiner托尔

    作为报复,俄罗斯人没收了美国人在塞雷布尼博尔的别墅。你不知道这一点吗?

    回复:@reiner Tor

    报复与发起此类行动不同。一方面,报复是合法的。另一方面,我确信美国的房地产价格更高,因此报复仍然可能意味着俄罗斯在货币价值方面损失更多。

    • 回复: @AP
    @reiner托尔

    莫斯科地区的房地产价格可能高于西雅图地区。

    回复:@reiner Tor

  115. @yevardian
    @reiner托尔

    伊朗需要成为榜样。除了朝鲜之外,没有哪个同等规模的国家能够如此成功地、如此长时间地独立对抗美国。与俄罗斯相反,波斯精英确实显得不可调和,而俄罗斯似乎只要受到尊重,他们中的大多数人都会很乐意在美国霸权下合作。即使现在伊朗在国际事务中保持顽强的独立性仍然令人敬佩,波斯人也没有忘记苏联占领该国并建立傀儡国家的短暂插曲。

    回复:@utu

    伊朗需要成为榜样。

    给谁举例?伊朗太大了。摧毁伊朗也许应该成为伊朗的教训。伊朗最大的罪行是,尽管 1979 年伊朗革命受挫,但它的运作相对良好。考虑一下伊朗革命的目的是为了阻止国王统治下伊朗的发展,因为拥有一个强大的伊朗并不意味着伊朗的发展。计划。尽管沙阿与美国和以色列都关系良好,但强大的伊朗让以色列感到紧张。从以色列的角度来看,伊朗与美国发生冲突是最理想的结果。

    奥巴马与伊朗达成的协议是他最伟大、最勇敢的成就,而最后的最后一击是不否决联合国针对以色列的决议。奥巴马确实不喜欢内塔尼亚胡和游说团体,当然,正如他在埃及的演讲所表明的那样,他想做更多的事情,但他受到了阻碍。瓦莱丽·贾雷特 (Valerie Jarret) 是白宫最重要的人物,她住在伊朗,会说帕西语,她可能在这笔交易中发挥了重要作用。

    破坏这笔交易是特朗普必须完成的唯一任务。可以说,伊朗是特朗普当选的唯一原因。撤销与伊朗的协议,激怒伊朗,以至于伊朗做出愚蠢的事情。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @乌图


    考虑一下伊朗革命是有人策划的可能性
     
    削弱伊朗的一个更简单的方法就是不向伊朗提供当时最先进的武器和核技术。

    当时的伊朗似乎距离以色列还很远,而且对那些距离以色列较近的阿拉伯国家(尤其是伊拉克)有着天生的敌意,而这些国家的敌意也是不可调和的。革命本身使伊朗对以色列怀有敌意。

    所以这是一个没有任何证据甚至动机的阴谋论。

    回复:@Dmitry、@Anon、@utu、@yevardian

    , @Mitleser
    @乌图


    破坏这笔交易是特朗普必须完成的唯一任务。
     


    https://youtu.be/Hhwms1gbk-Q

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux22yGki2Lg
  116. @Greasy William
    @作为记录


    那么,是什么让你皈依了这个宗教,而这个宗教的信徒自愿、公开地承担了你前任导师流血的责任(马太福音 27:24-25)?
     
    我没有转换。我是犹太人,母亲是犹太人。碰巧的是,我妈妈非常讨厌犹太教,所以我是在我的 WASP 父亲半途而废的美式基督教中长大的,尽管也有一些非常零星的犹太节日庆祝活动。

    在高中时,我开始靠自己的力量拥抱真正的基督教(长话),然后失去信仰(长话),成为一个好战的、然后冷漠的无神论者(长话)。

    犹太教随之而来(说来话长)。

    回复:@ for-the-record

    感谢您提供多个长篇故事的简短版本。

    我的父亲是犹太人(他的父母来自乌克兰各地),尽管他在很小的时候就放弃了犹太人的生活,原因我从来不知道。我的母亲是基督教科学家(直到上大学之前从未看过医生或牙医),我们本质上是作为非宗教人士长大的,尽管我们确实在光明节玩陀螺,当然还有所有正常的圣诞节装饰。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @作为记录

    我以为你是英国人。英国有基督教科学家吗?我从来不知道这一点。

    回复:@ for-the-record

    , @Dmitry
    @作为记录

    奇怪的是,这里主要是犹太人,因为我与以色列的联系和了解,指责我是“哈斯巴拉用户”。

    除非我记错了这些人是谁。

    到目前为止,我们有 Ron Unz(美国犹太人)、记录在案的(乌克兰犹太人)和 Greasy(美国犹太人?)。

    互联网真是一个讽刺的地方。

    后记 - 我也是犹太血统,但到了第三代 - 1 祖父通过他的母亲(即犹太曾祖母)。

    回复:@Greasy William、@German_reader、@for-the-record

  117. @Thorfinnsson
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    一个叫“威廉”的人他妈是个混蛋?!

    回复:@ for-the-record

    一个叫“威廉”的人他妈是个混蛋?!

    威廉·夏特纳?

    • 同意: Thorfinnsson
  118. @for-the-record
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    感谢您提供多个长篇故事的简短版本。

    我的父亲是犹太人(他的父母来自乌克兰各地),尽管他在很小的时候就放弃了犹太人的生活,原因我从来不知道。我的母亲是基督教科学家(直到上大学之前从未看过医生或牙医),我们本质上是作为非宗教人士长大的,尽管我们确实在光明节玩陀螺,当然还有所有正常的圣诞节装饰。

    回复:@reiner Tor,@ Dmitry

    我以为你是英国人。英国有基督教科学家吗?我从来不知道这一点。

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @reiner托尔

    我以为你是英国人。英国有基督教科学家吗?我从来不知道这一点。

    别以为我曾经说过我是英国人,尽管我确实有 1/4 英国血统。

    我在美国出生和长大(我的父母也是如此),但大学毕业后的大部分时间都在美国以外的地方度过。一路走来,我获得了爱尔兰国籍,所以这就是我现在的样子。

    回复:@reiner Tor

  119. @reiner Tor
    @Anatoly卡琳

    在奥巴马政府的最后几周,他们非法关闭了一个外交大院。 我认为尽管它归俄罗斯所有,但他们仍然没有归还。 西雅图大楼也继续为俄罗斯政府所有。 他们不能只是移除锁并闯入它。 至少他们可以要求合作。

    他们对俄罗斯的态度显然比对苏联严厉得多。 唯一能与更强大国家的待遇进行比较的是他们对待日本帝国和纳粹德国的方式。 当然,他们对俄罗斯的严厉程度仍不及对伊朗的严厉。 但对伊朗的待遇也有些反常。 他们在冷战期间是否曾单方面对任何国家实施过如此严厉的制裁?

    回复:@Mitleser、@yevardian、@JL、@Bukephalos、@utu

    经常行为不规律,过度和歇斯底里并不是力量的标志。

    在上面链接的 Valdai Club 文章 Anatoly 中,演讲者陈东晓表示:“美国本身,社会不稳定正在加剧,正在成为世界上最不稳定的国家。 ”这不是事实陈述吗?

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @布克法洛斯

    他们的行为不受惩罚。 与此同时,他们正在给俄罗斯带来巨大的经济代价,俄罗斯几乎没有办法进行报复,而俄罗斯因为害怕招致更多制裁而没有采取任何可能的报复措施。

    你把疯狂误认为软弱。 美国还是很强大的。 即使十年后它会崩溃(我怀疑,但谁知道),目前它仍然非常强大。 就像苏联几乎在它崩溃的那一刻甚至更远的时候都非常强大:美国精英花了几年时间才鼓起勇气开始引诱熊。

    回复:@Bukephalos

  120. @utu
    @yevardian


    伊朗需要成为榜样。
     
    给谁做榜样?伊朗太大了。摧毁伊朗或许应该成为伊朗的教训。伊朗最大的罪行是,尽管 1979 年伊朗革命受挫,但它的运作相对良好。考虑一下伊朗革命的目的是为了阻止国王统治下伊朗的发展,因为拥有一个强大的伊朗并不意味着伊朗的发展。计划。尽管沙阿与美国和以色列关系都很好,但强大的伊朗让以色列感到紧张。从以色列的角度来看,伊朗与美国发生冲突是最理想的结果。

    奥巴马与伊朗达成的协议是他最伟大、最勇敢的成就,而最后的最后一击是不否决联合国针对以色列的决议。奥巴马确实不喜欢内塔尼亚胡和游说团体,当然,正如他在埃及的演讲所表明的那样,他想做更多的事情,但他受到了阻碍。瓦莱丽·贾雷特 (Valerie Jarret) 是白宫最重要的人物,她住在伊朗,会说帕西语,她可能在这笔交易中发挥了重要作用。

    破坏这笔交易是特朗普必须完成的唯一任务。可以说,伊朗是特朗普当选的唯一原因。撤销与伊朗的协议,激怒伊朗,以至于伊朗做出愚蠢的事情。

    回复:@reiner Tor,@Mitleser

    考虑一下伊朗革命是有人策划的可能性

    削弱伊朗的一个更简单的方法就是不向伊朗提供当时最先进的武器和核技术。

    当时的伊朗似乎距离以色列还很远,而且对那些距离以色列较近的阿拉伯国家(尤其是伊拉克)有着天生的敌意,而这些国家的敌意也是不可调和的。革命本身使伊朗对以色列怀有敌意。

    所以这是一个没有任何证据甚至动机的阴谋论。

    • 回复: @Dmitry
    @reiner托尔

    以色列在伊朗革命后的头十年里一直支持伊朗。

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%27s_role_in_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war

    之后出现的冲突很可能与神学有很大关系,否则很难解释为什么伊朗关心以色列,因为它与以色列没有边界或直接冲突机制。

    巴勒斯坦人是逊尼派阿拉伯人——与所有与伊朗作战的国家的人口结构相同。

    然而,伊朗也曾为波斯尼亚人对抗塞尔维亚,因此他们可能会卷入非常抽象的冲突。

    , @Anon
    @reiner托尔


    削弱伊朗的一个更简单的方法就是不向伊朗提供当时最先进的武器和核技术。
     
    这需要美国和苏联之间的合作。
    , @utu
    @reiner托尔

    显然我们不知道也没有证据。正是在这个时期,阿富汗的世俗政府因伊斯兰主义者从中央情报局获得的支持而变得不稳定,这些支持给苏联制造了麻烦,并最终吸引了他们。

    有人帮助破坏了伊朗的稳定。会是苏联吗?我对此表示怀疑,因为他们没有与伊斯兰主义者打交道,而且他们与沙阿的关系相对较好。然而沙阿本人相信英国人是伊朗革命的幕后黑手。事实上,英国人继续与霍梅尼政权合作:



    伊朗伊斯兰革命:先培育后武装阿亚图拉
    http://markcurtis.info/2017/02/01/islamic-revolution-in-iran-cultivating-then-arming-the-ayatollah/
     
    短期内,以色列充分利用了伊朗作为美国盟友的事实,尽可能多地从伊朗获取利润,甚至可能帮助其核计划(这可能是虚假信息,尽管这是为了不在场证据)目的),但最重要的是,以色列在此过程中能够彻底渗透伊朗:

    在沙阿领导下的以色列是否帮助启动了伊朗的核计划?
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/a-generation-ago-israelis-found-paradise-in-iran/

    伊朗是盟国以色列的通缉犯。 IT GOT沙特阿拉伯
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/a-generation-ago-israelis-found-paradise-in-iran/
     
    据我们所知,伊农计划当时尚未正式制定,但也许已经在制定中了。所有世俗的中东国家都被视为威胁。为什么不是伊朗?从长远来看,以色列是否希望拥有一个强大的伊朗,同时又与西方友好?不,以色列对来自沙特阿拉伯的可以在 24 小时内卷起来的 nincompoops 更放心。

    伊朗必须从美国手中夺走。伊朗革命成功地做到了这一点。伊朗成为西方的正式敌人。制裁阻碍了一切进展。下一步是两伊战争,美国站在伊拉克一边,而伊农计划则设想在这场战争中摧毁伊拉克。

    不管怎样,我的假设是,伊朗必须走,因为它变得太强大了,而且矛盾的是,它与西方的关系太好了。伊朗革命实现了这一目标。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    , @yevardian
    @reiner托尔

    我没有任何意见,但来自社会各阶层的大量伊朗人相信这一理论。奇怪的是,以色列是世界上唯一在强行战争期间支持他们的主要国家。动机很简单:敌人互相毁灭。不要忘记以色列培育了哈马斯数十年。

    在国王晚年,伊朗对以色列变得越来越敌视,并独立于美国。这个概念确实有腿。

    回复:@reiner Tor

  121. @reiner Tor
    @米特勒

    这是不同的。那是美国的后院,苏联人根本就咄咄逼人地想要去那里。

    在古巴危机期间,国际法站在苏联一边。但根据冷战惯例,他们是侵略者,因为他们在一个几年前还是美国半殖民地的国家开展活动。想象一下,如果在1968年入侵捷克斯洛伐克之前,政府邀请美国军队前往捷克斯洛伐克:可能会引发一场核战争。

    美国人最终没有因为古巴而发动第三次世界大战(尽管这几乎发生了),但他们完全有权利生气。如果 3 年发生第三次世界大战,那绝对不会是美国单方面的侵略。

    即使对古巴,这也是常规的贸易禁运。他们没有像加拿大或墨西哥那样制裁那些与古巴进行贸易的人。美国不能仅仅通过对俄罗斯实施贸易禁运来对俄罗斯造成太大伤害,因为他们的贸易量并不大。这是对与俄铝等有业务联系的第三方的制裁,这造成了伤害。

    他们在冷战期间是否曾经对不合规的第三方企业实施过单方面制裁?

    回复:@Mitleser,@for-the-record

    即使对古巴,这也是常规的贸易禁运。他们没有像加拿大或墨西哥那样制裁那些与古巴进行贸易的人。

    又是一个不眠之夜?因为这是对美国对古巴禁运的一种相当误导的看法。如果这只是美国不与古巴进行贸易,那么你当然是对的。但美国确实延长了禁运,以阻止其他国家与古巴进行贸易——因此,如果你是一家瑞士制药公司,你可以与美国进行贸易,也可以与古巴进行贸易,但不能两者都进行。那么您认为这家瑞士制药公司会做什么呢?

    如果你是一家欧洲银行,为与古巴的贸易提供融资,你将被美国罚款(缴纳罚款的违规者名单很长,其中包括许多主要参与者)。

    还有无数其他例子可以引用,而且这种情况一直如此:

    尽管与古巴建立了新关系,美国仍对被指控违反禁运的公司处以罚款

    在巴拉克·奥巴马总统准备下个月访问古巴之际,美国继续对被指控违反美国对该岛禁运的公司处以罚款。 。 。

    最新被罚款的公司是法国地球科学公司 CGG Services,该公司为石油和天然气勘探以及地震勘探提供备件、服务和设备。 。 。

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article62050647.html

    美国制裁的治外法权实际上已经到了荒唐可笑的地步。因此,几年前在伦敦举办了一场慈善活动,筹集资金向古巴的一所音乐学院捐赠一架钢琴。不幸的是,活动的组织者没有意识到与他们签约组织门票销售的公司是一家美国实体。结果当然是所有资金都被没收了。人们愤怒不已,却又毫无办法。

    https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/U.K.-Effort-to-Donate-Piano-to-Cuba-Blocked-by-U.S.-Embargo-20160822-0008.html

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @作为记录

    我没有密切关注古巴的情况,所以我在这里可能是错的,但在阅读维基百科后,我得到的印象是我是正确的,在冷战期间,制裁几乎没有治外法权,但它们始于 1990 世纪 XNUMX 年代,冷战结束后:


    1992 年 1996 月的《古巴民主法》(“托里拆利法”)和 XNUMX 年的《古巴自由与民主团结法》(称为赫尔姆斯-伯顿法)加强了封锁,该法通过阻止在古巴开展业务的外国公司受到惩罚。他们在美国做生意
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_embargo_against_Cuba?wprov=sfti1

    这是一本有趣的读物。卡斯特罗显然不想将美国在古巴的资产国有化,但在美国实施石油禁运、美国石油公司拒绝提炼卡斯特罗不得不进口的苏联石油后,他被迫这样做。当美国以进一步制裁作为回应时,他基本上被迫加紧行动,将所有美国资产国有化。

    古巴基本上是美国的一个混蛋,特别是考虑到他们如何策划革命本身,至少是拒绝支持巴蒂斯塔。

    回复:@ for-the-record

  122. @Bukephalos
    @reiner托尔

    经常表现得不稳定、过度和歇斯底里并不是力量的标志。

    在上述阿纳托利链接的瓦尔代俱乐部文章中,发言者陈东晓指出“社会不稳定因素日益增多的美国本身正在成为世界上最不稳定的国家。”这难道不是事实陈述吗?

    回复:@reiner Tor

    他们的行为不受惩罚。 与此同时,他们正在给俄罗斯带来巨大的经济代价,俄罗斯几乎没有办法进行报复,而俄罗斯因为害怕招致更多制裁而没有采取任何可能的报复措施。

    你把疯狂误认为软弱。 美国还是很强大的。 即使十年后它会崩溃(我怀疑,但谁知道),目前它仍然非常强大。 就像苏联几乎在它崩溃的那一刻甚至更远的时候都非常强大:美国精英花了几年时间才鼓起勇气开始引诱熊。

    • 回复: @Bukephalos
    @reiner托尔

    看到目前美国政治生活的显着特征,例如“通俄门”或日益增长的审查趋势,这可以被理解为意识形态驱动的,即疯狂。但我相信那是恐惧。

    为什么谷歌会降低 RT 文章的排名,或者如果你相信他们对一个事件的版本,为什么你被称为俄罗斯特工? 是否与他们不得不上演三个 CW 剧院作为干预叙利亚的触发器有关,每次都更加荒谬和难以置信,但他们仍然继续。 第四是魅力,也许? 虽然叙利亚政府仍然坐着,政权更迭的魔力肯定已经消失了。

    回复:@reiner Tor、@reiner Tor、@Thorfinnsson

  123. @reiner Tor
    @作为记录

    我以为你是英国人。英国有基督教科学家吗?我从来不知道这一点。

    回复:@ for-the-record

    我以为你是英国人。英国有基督教科学家吗?我从来不知道这一点。

    别以为我曾经说过我是英国人,尽管我确实有 1/4 英国血统。

    我在美国出生和长大(我的父母也是如此),但大学毕业后的大部分时间都在美国以外的地方度过。一路走来,我获得了爱尔兰国籍,所以这就是我现在的样子。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @作为记录

    好的。抱歉把你和某人搞混了。

  124. @reiner Tor
    @布克法洛斯

    他们的行为不受惩罚。 与此同时,他们正在给俄罗斯带来巨大的经济代价,俄罗斯几乎没有办法进行报复,而俄罗斯因为害怕招致更多制裁而没有采取任何可能的报复措施。

    你把疯狂误认为软弱。 美国还是很强大的。 即使十年后它会崩溃(我怀疑,但谁知道),目前它仍然非常强大。 就像苏联几乎在它崩溃的那一刻甚至更远的时候都非常强大:美国精英花了几年时间才鼓起勇气开始引诱熊。

    回复:@Bukephalos

    现在看到美国政治生活的显着特征,例如俄罗斯之门或审查制度的增长趋势 - 它可以被解释为意识形态驱动,即疯狂。 然而,我相信这是恐惧。

    为什么谷歌会降低 RT 文章的排名,或者如果你相信他们对一个事件的版本,为什么你被称为俄罗斯特工? 是否与他们不得不上演三个 CW 剧院作为干预叙利亚的触发器有关,每次都更加荒谬和难以置信,但他们仍然继续。 第四是魅力,也许? 虽然叙利亚政府仍然坐着,政权更迭的魔力肯定已经消失了。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @布克法洛斯

    到目前为止,叙利亚对美国来说是一个损失,但通常在大多数冲突中,失败方可以指出局部战术或行动的胜利,而在战略层面上失败。

    目前俄罗斯在经济上正在流血,而美国则因为一个种族游说团体而输掉了一场边缘战,这对它来说很重要。

    俄罗斯不可能在经济疲软的同时保持军事强大和政治稳定。 苏联在第三世界一直保持胜利,直到它崩溃,而第一次世界大战的德国也一直在获胜,直到它在一场快速的战役后突然崩溃。 同样,他们在二战中不断获胜,而在战争生产方面却落后了,但最终他们开始输了。

    经济是任何持续冲突(冷或热)的基石,而美国在这方面仍然非常强大。

    回复:@Mitleser、@Thorfinnsson

    , @reiner Tor
    @布克法洛斯


    然而,我相信这是恐惧。
     
    所以呢。 斯大林的恐怖在很大程度上也是由恐惧驱动的——对外国势力和国内反对派的恐惧。 然而,认为他软弱是错误的。 希特勒是这么认为的,但他错了。

    回复:@Bukephalos

    , @Thorfinnsson
    @布克法洛斯

    害怕的是内部的反对者,即可悲的人。 我们是一个新兴的统治阶级,它试图取代现有的僵化(以及极度腐败和邪恶的)统治阶级。

    理解这一点的一个好方法是从宗教角度分析这一点。

    大教堂(Moldbug 的术语)是天主教堂。 可悲的是新教改革。

    加强审查、阴谋论等是反改革运动。

    当然,大教堂缺乏早期现代天主教知识分子的自我意识和智力火力。

    一个更近期的世俗例子是复辟、神圣联盟、卡尔斯巴德法令等。

  125. @for-the-record
    @reiner托尔

    即使对古巴,这也是常规的贸易禁运。他们没有像加拿大或墨西哥那样制裁那些与古巴进行贸易的人。

    又是一个不眠之夜?因为这是对美国对古巴禁运的一种相当误导的看法。如果这只是美国不与古巴进行贸易,那么你当然是对的。但美国确实延长了禁运,以阻止其他国家与古巴进行贸易——因此,如果你是一家瑞士制药公司,你可以与美国进行贸易,也可以与古巴进行贸易,但不能两者都进行。那么您认为这家瑞士制药公司会做什么呢?

    如果你是一家欧洲银行,为与古巴的贸易提供融资,你将被美国罚款(缴纳罚款的违规者名单很长,其中包括许多主要参与者)。

    还有无数其他例子可以引用,而且这种情况一直如此:


    尽管与古巴建立了新关系,美国仍对被指控违反禁运的公司处以罚款

    在巴拉克·奥巴马总统准备下个月访问古巴之际,美国继续对被指控违反美国对该岛禁运的公司处以罚款。 。 。

    最新被罚款的公司是法国地球科学公司 CGG Services,该公司为石油和天然气勘探以及地震勘探提供备件、服务和设备。 。 。

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article62050647.html

     

    美国制裁的治外法权实际上已经到了荒唐可笑的地步。因此,几年前在伦敦举办了一场慈善活动,筹集资金向古巴的一所音乐学院捐赠一架钢琴。不幸的是,活动的组织者没有意识到与他们签约组织门票销售的公司是一家美国实体。结果当然是所有资金都被没收了。人们愤怒不已,却又毫无办法。

    https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/U.K.-Effort-to-Donate-Piano-to-Cuba-Blocked-by-U.S.-Embargo-20160822-0008.html

    回复:@reiner Tor

    我没有密切关注古巴的情况,所以我在这里可能是错的,但在阅读维基百科后,我得到的印象是我是正确的,在冷战期间,制裁几乎没有治外法权,但它们始于 1990 世纪 XNUMX 年代,冷战结束后:

    1992 年 1996 月的《古巴民主法》(“托里拆利法”)和 XNUMX 年的《古巴自由与民主团结法》(称为赫尔姆斯-伯顿法)加强了封锁,该法通过阻止在古巴开展业务的外国公司受到惩罚。他们在美国做生意

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_embargo_against_Cuba?wprov=sfti1

    这是一本有趣的读物。卡斯特罗显然不想将美国在古巴的资产国有化,但在美国实施石油禁运、美国石油公司拒绝提炼卡斯特罗不得不进口的苏联石油后,他被迫这样做。当美国以进一步制裁作为回应时,他基本上被迫加紧行动,将所有美国资产国有化。

    古巴基本上是美国的一个混蛋,特别是考虑到他们如何策划革命本身,至少是拒绝支持巴蒂斯塔。

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @reiner托尔

    《赫尔姆斯-伯顿法案》无疑加强了制裁(我上大学时杰西·赫尔姆斯是当地电视政治评论员),但制裁从一开始就相当严厉。具体而言,它们包括:

    - 禁止进口完全或部分由古巴材料制造的任何产品,即使是在其他国家制造的;

    ——禁止向任何向古巴提供援助的国家提供援助

    ——将所有参与与古巴贸易的船只列入黑名单,无论其所属国家如何
    登记,包括禁止任何此类船舶进入美国港口。

    我认为,最后一项尤其繁重。

    https://repository.law.miami.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1169&context=umiclr
    (第2-3页)

    回复:@reiner Tor

  126. @for-the-record
    @reiner托尔

    我以为你是英国人。英国有基督教科学家吗?我从来不知道这一点。

    别以为我曾经说过我是英国人,尽管我确实有 1/4 英国血统。

    我在美国出生和长大(我的父母也是如此),但大学毕业后的大部分时间都在美国以外的地方度过。一路走来,我获得了爱尔兰国籍,所以这就是我现在的样子。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    好的。抱歉把你和某人搞混了。

  127. @Bukephalos
    @reiner托尔

    看到目前美国政治生活的显着特征,例如“通俄门”或日益增长的审查趋势,这可以被理解为意识形态驱动的,即疯狂。但我相信那是恐惧。

    为什么谷歌会降低 RT 文章的排名,或者如果你相信他们对一个事件的版本,为什么你被称为俄罗斯特工? 是否与他们不得不上演三个 CW 剧院作为干预叙利亚的触发器有关,每次都更加荒谬和难以置信,但他们仍然继续。 第四是魅力,也许? 虽然叙利亚政府仍然坐着,政权更迭的魔力肯定已经消失了。

    回复:@reiner Tor、@reiner Tor、@Thorfinnsson

    到目前为止,叙利亚对美国来说是一个损失,但通常在大多数冲突中,失败方可以指出局部战术或行动的胜利,而在战略层面上失败。

    目前俄罗斯在经济上正在流血,而美国则因为一个种族游说团体而输掉了一场边缘战,这对它来说很重要。

    俄罗斯不可能在经济疲软的同时保持军事强大和政治稳定。 苏联在第三世界一直保持胜利,直到它崩溃,而第一次世界大战的德国也一直在获胜,直到它在一场快速的战役后突然崩溃。 同样,他们在二战中不断获胜,而在战争生产方面却落后了,但最终他们开始输了。

    经济是任何持续冲突(冷或热)的基石,而美国在这方面仍然非常强大。

    • 回复: @Mitleser
    @reiner托尔


    俄罗斯不可能在经济薄弱的情况下保持军事强大和政治稳定。
     
    以购买力平价计算,俄罗斯经济规模与德国相当。

    苏联在第三世界不断获胜,直到崩溃,一战中的德国也一直获胜,直到在一场快速的战役后突然崩溃。同样,他们在二战中不断获胜,但在战争生产上却落后了,但最终他们开始失败。
     
    德国在军事和经济上都遭受了损失。
    苏联的失败主要是由于意识形态而非经济原因。

    回复:@reiner Tor,@ reiner Tor

    , @Thorfinnsson
    @reiner托尔

    顺便说一句,德国人和俄罗斯人都意识到了这一点,并因此制定了适当的学说。

    普鲁士之所以如此军国主义(除了选帝侯和腓特烈大帝的野心之外),是因为它可支配的资源比法国、奥地利和俄罗斯少得多。这个想法是,只有通过快速、果断和胜利的战役,普鲁士才能维持其地位和野心。当陷入消耗战(七年战争)时,普鲁士将被叶卡捷琳娜大帝消灭,直到她去世。

    早期相当于普鲁士王国的是瑞典王国。在波尔塔瓦之前,瑞典军队在很大程度上被认为在战场上是无敌的。

    施利芬计划、秋季盖尔布计划和巴巴罗萨行动都认识到了这一点。

    施利芬计划的失败实际上是由于德国国会拒绝在丹吉尔危机之后到阿加迪尔危机之后匹配法国陆军开支的持续增加。愤世嫉俗者当然会指出,由于他的舰队建设计划(从军队中转移资源)和各种失误,德皇威廉二世应对此负责。

    法尔盖尔布和巴巴罗萨确实非常相似——质量优越的德国陆军横扫了他们面前的一切。东部有麻烦,他们必须继续……扫荡。直到他们耗尽补给线和储备。

    苏联在冷战期间也有或多或少相同的学说。华沙条约组织的军队之所以持续比反对他们的北约军队规模更大,是因为他们意识到北约拥有优越的资源。假设的第三次世界大战持续的时间越长,苏联失败的可能性就越大。

    因此这个计划:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_to_the_River_Rhine

    YouTube 上的 Binkov's Battlegrounds 制作了一个有趣的三部分系列,模拟了 3 年假想的第三次世界大战:

    这是涵盖地面战争的第三个视频:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kONMKmWQyE8

    空战和海战有单独的视频。

    如今,俄罗斯处于相对弱势的地位,反而以核战争相威胁,甚至懒得在和平时期维持常规优势。

    马尔蒂亚诺夫海军上将关于俄罗斯导弹优势的看法可能是正确的,但这些导弹在与北约的激烈冲突中很快就会耗尽。

    回复:@Thorfinnsson、@reiner Tor、@AP

  128. @Bukephalos
    @reiner托尔

    看到目前美国政治生活的显着特征,例如“通俄门”或日益增长的审查趋势,这可以被理解为意识形态驱动的,即疯狂。但我相信那是恐惧。

    为什么谷歌会降低 RT 文章的排名,或者如果你相信他们对一个事件的版本,为什么你被称为俄罗斯特工? 是否与他们不得不上演三个 CW 剧院作为干预叙利亚的触发器有关,每次都更加荒谬和难以置信,但他们仍然继续。 第四是魅力,也许? 虽然叙利亚政府仍然坐着,政权更迭的魔力肯定已经消失了。

    回复:@reiner Tor、@reiner Tor、@Thorfinnsson

    然而,我相信这是恐惧。

    所以呢。 斯大林的恐怖在很大程度上也是由恐惧驱动的——对外国势力和国内反对派的恐惧。 然而,认为他软弱是错误的。 希特勒是这么认为的,但他错了。

    • 回复: @Bukephalos
    @reiner托尔

    这不是存在的恐惧。 只是害怕统治地位减弱,失去帝国。

  129. @reiner Tor
    @布克法洛斯

    到目前为止,叙利亚对美国来说是一个损失,但通常在大多数冲突中,失败方可以指出局部战术或行动的胜利,而在战略层面上失败。

    目前俄罗斯在经济上正在流血,而美国则因为一个种族游说团体而输掉了一场边缘战,这对它来说很重要。

    俄罗斯不可能在经济疲软的同时保持军事强大和政治稳定。 苏联在第三世界一直保持胜利,直到它崩溃,而第一次世界大战的德国也一直在获胜,直到它在一场快速的战役后突然崩溃。 同样,他们在二战中不断获胜,而在战争生产方面却落后了,但最终他们开始输了。

    经济是任何持续冲突(冷或热)的基石,而美国在这方面仍然非常强大。

    回复:@Mitleser、@Thorfinnsson

    俄罗斯不可能在经济薄弱的情况下保持军事强大和政治稳定。

    以购买力平价计算,俄罗斯经济规模与德国相当。

    苏联在第三世界不断获胜,直到崩溃,一战中的德国也一直获胜,直到在一场快速的战役后突然崩溃。同样,他们在二战中不断获胜,但在战争生产上却落后了,但最终他们开始失败。

    德国在军事和经济上都遭受了损失。
    苏联的失败主要是由于意识形态而非经济原因。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @米特勒


    以购买力平价计算,俄罗斯经济规模与德国相当。
     
    德国可能太小了。

    一个问题是,俄罗斯公民看到自己的生活水平低于西方国家,他们愿意忍受多久是个问题。

    但即使前一个问题的答案是“永远”,俄罗斯能够在军事上与美国保持接近平衡的时间仍然是一个问题。

    即使这两个问题的答案都是“永远”,这里仍然存在很强的不对称性:美国可以单枪匹马地扼杀俄罗斯一家大公司,而俄罗斯却无法扼杀任何美国公司。即使这不会给俄罗斯带来损失,这也是一个相当不舒服的情况。这很可能。

    回复:@Mitleser

    , @reiner Tor
    @米特勒


    苏联的失败主要是由于意识形态而非经济原因
     
    如果苏联人对其经济体系的可行性充满信心,那么根本就不会有任何问题。安德罗波夫想要经济改革,这就是他支持戈尔巴乔夫作为继任者的原因。整个崩溃是经济疲软的结果。

    回复:@for-the-record,@Mitleser

  130. @reiner Tor
    @作为记录

    我没有密切关注古巴的情况,所以我在这里可能是错的,但在阅读维基百科后,我得到的印象是我是正确的,在冷战期间,制裁几乎没有治外法权,但它们始于 1990 世纪 XNUMX 年代,冷战结束后:


    1992 年 1996 月的《古巴民主法》(“托里拆利法”)和 XNUMX 年的《古巴自由与民主团结法》(称为赫尔姆斯-伯顿法)加强了封锁,该法通过阻止在古巴开展业务的外国公司受到惩罚。他们在美国做生意
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_embargo_against_Cuba?wprov=sfti1

    这是一本有趣的读物。卡斯特罗显然不想将美国在古巴的资产国有化,但在美国实施石油禁运、美国石油公司拒绝提炼卡斯特罗不得不进口的苏联石油后,他被迫这样做。当美国以进一步制裁作为回应时,他基本上被迫加紧行动,将所有美国资产国有化。

    古巴基本上是美国的一个混蛋,特别是考虑到他们如何策划革命本身,至少是拒绝支持巴蒂斯塔。

    回复:@ for-the-record

    《赫尔姆斯-伯顿法案》无疑加强了制裁(我上大学时杰西·赫尔姆斯是当地电视政治评论员),但制裁从一开始就相当严厉。具体而言,它们包括:

    — 禁止进口完全或部分由古巴材料制造的任何产品,即使是在其他国家制造的;

    — 禁止向任何向古巴提供援助的国家提供援助

    — 将所有参与与古巴贸易的船只列入黑名单,无论其所在国家/地区如何
    登记,包括禁止任何此类船舶进入美国港口。

    我认为,最后一项尤其繁重。

    https://repository.law.miami.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1169&context=umiclr
    (第2-3页)

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @作为记录

    这些措施比我想象的要严厉一些,但基本上没有达到自此以来的制裁中明显存在的彻底的治外法权。唯一明确的域外措施是禁止船只在进入古巴港口后进入美国港口。当然,俄罗斯很容易经受住这种类型的制裁。

    新一代域外制裁很难生存。

  131. @Mitleser
    @reiner托尔


    俄罗斯不可能在经济薄弱的情况下保持军事强大和政治稳定。
     
    以购买力平价计算,俄罗斯经济规模与德国相当。

    苏联在第三世界不断获胜,直到崩溃,一战中的德国也一直获胜,直到在一场快速的战役后突然崩溃。同样,他们在二战中不断获胜,但在战争生产上却落后了,但最终他们开始失败。
     
    德国在军事和经济上都遭受了损失。
    苏联的失败主要是由于意识形态而非经济原因。

    回复:@reiner Tor,@ reiner Tor

    以购买力平价计算,俄罗斯经济规模与德国相当。

    德国可能太小了。

    一个问题是,俄罗斯公民看到自己的生活水平低于西方国家,他们愿意忍受多久是个问题。

    但即使前一个问题的答案是“永远”,俄罗斯能够在军事上与美国保持接近平衡的时间仍然是一个问题。

    即使这两个问题的答案都是“永远”,这里仍然存在很强的不对称性:美国可以单枪匹马地扼杀俄罗斯一家大公司,而俄罗斯却无法扼杀任何美国公司。即使这不会给俄罗斯带来损失,这也是一个相当不舒服的情况。这很可能。

    • 回复: @Mitleser
    @reiner托尔

    欧洲最大经济体太小?


    一个问题是,俄罗斯公民看到自己的生活水平低于西方国家,他们愿意忍受多久是个问题。
     
    有什么选择?
    移民并不一定意味着生活水平的提高。
    只做西方想要的事也是行不通的。

    但即使前一个问题的答案是“永远”,俄罗斯能够在军事上与美国保持接近平衡的时间仍然是一个问题。
     
    中国的崛起意味着美国必须重新部署更多的力量来对抗它们,这增加了俄罗斯在与俄罗斯相关的领域保持可接受的力量平衡的机会。

    美国可以凭一己之力绞杀俄罗斯大企业,而俄罗斯却无法绞杀任何美国企业。
     
    俄铝显示出这一制裁政策的局限性。

    据莫斯科媒体透露,他们一致认为,美国对铝和氧化铝价格突然上涨感到不满,俄罗斯对对该公司实施的制裁感到不满。

    经过谈判,努钦同意公开区分德里帕斯卡和俄铝;允许俄罗斯铝业公司与美国人进行金属贸易的时间延长六个月,并承诺财政部将考虑将俄罗斯铝业公司的请愿书除名。这一特许权恢复了欧洲、非洲和澳大利亚非美国公司向俄铝冶炼厂供货的生产链。它避免了基辅乌克兰政权的尴尬,该政权希望保持德里帕斯卡位于尼古拉耶夫的氧化铝精炼厂满负荷运转。它还允许美国继续承包俄铝金属运输。
     
    http://johnhelmer.net/us-reprieve-for-rusal-does-not-relieve-president-putin-of-fatal-choice-for-oleg-deripaska/

    他们可以击败俄罗斯一家大公司,但这并不意味着它会很便宜。

    回复:@reiner Tor

  132. @Mitleser
    @reiner托尔


    俄罗斯不可能在经济薄弱的情况下保持军事强大和政治稳定。
     
    以购买力平价计算,俄罗斯经济规模与德国相当。

    苏联在第三世界不断获胜,直到崩溃,一战中的德国也一直获胜,直到在一场快速的战役后突然崩溃。同样,他们在二战中不断获胜,但在战争生产上却落后了,但最终他们开始失败。
     
    德国在军事和经济上都遭受了损失。
    苏联的失败主要是由于意识形态而非经济原因。

    回复:@reiner Tor,@ reiner Tor

    苏联的失败主要是由于意识形态而非经济原因

    如果苏联人对其经济体系的可行性充满信心,那么根本就不会有任何问题。安德罗波夫想要经济改革,这就是他支持戈尔巴乔夫作为继任者的原因。整个崩溃是经济疲软的结果。

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @reiner托尔

    整个崩溃是经济疲软的结果。

    经济疲软当然是一个重要因素,但我认为最根本的因素是戈尔巴乔夫。我认为如果换一位领导的话,结果可能会大不相同。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    , @Mitleser
    @reiner托尔

    即使他们对其经济体系的可行性充满信心,也会出现问题。
    更好的经济体系不会突然解决执政党的弱点或阻止民族主义的抬头。

    看看中国。中国经济表现良好,但存在执政党内部腐败等实际问题,削弱了其合法性。

    回复:@reiner Tor

  133. @for-the-record
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    感谢您提供多个长篇故事的简短版本。

    我的父亲是犹太人(他的父母来自乌克兰各地),尽管他在很小的时候就放弃了犹太人的生活,原因我从来不知道。我的母亲是基督教科学家(直到上大学之前从未看过医生或牙医),我们本质上是作为非宗教人士长大的,尽管我们确实在光明节玩陀螺,当然还有所有正常的圣诞节装饰。

    回复:@reiner Tor,@ Dmitry

    奇怪的是,这里主要是犹太人,因为我与以色列的联系和了解,指责我是“哈斯巴拉用户”。

    除非我记错了这些人是谁。

    到目前为止,我们有 Ron Unz(美国犹太人)、记录在案的(乌克兰犹太人)和 Greasy(美国犹太人?)。

    互联网真是一个讽刺的地方。

    后记 – 我也是犹太血统,但到了第三代 – 1 祖父通过他的母亲(即犹太曾祖母)。

    • 回复: @Greasy William
    @德米特里



    奇怪的是,这里主要是犹太人,因为我与以色列的联系和了解,指责我是“哈斯巴拉用户”。

    到目前为止,我们有 Ron Unz(美国犹太人)、记录在案的(乌克兰犹太人)和 Greasy(美国犹太人?)。
     
    我没有指责你是“Hasbara 用户”。我感谢您对以色列和犹太人民的支持。

    我只是指出,你是无上帝的、世俗的犹太复国主义的辩护者,这种犹太复国主义脱离了托拉,正处于垂死挣扎。你对世俗犹太复国主义的辩护如此之深,以至于你似乎甚至相信以色列国经过净化的民族神话,我以前认为只有愚蠢的米兹拉希姆才能相信这些神话。无论您去过以色列多少次或认识多少以色列人:以色列的未来取决于正统派和哈德林派,而不是您的世俗或“传统”以色列朋友。

    据记录,他不是犹太人。如您所知,非犹太母亲所生的人就不是犹太人。

    乌兹是一个自我憎恨的犹太人,而且越来越疯狂。如果他称你为哈斯巴主义者,则意味着你做得很好。

    回复:@Dmitry

    , @German_reader
    @德米特里

    你记错了,你被utu和AaronB iirc指责为Hasbara。

    回复:@Dmitry

    , @for-the-record
    @德米特里

    奇怪的是,这里主要是犹太人,因为我与以色列的联系和了解,指责我是“哈斯巴拉用户”。

    不是我说的,我一生中从未使用过“哈斯巴拉”这个词。我确实批评过你对阿拉伯和基督教居民明显缺乏同情心,所以这也许就是你的想法。我并不完全理解你的言论,即以色列应该拒绝我入境,因为我正在为一个(宗教)非政府组织工作,该组织正在寻求改善这些人的生活。

    不确定我是否会将自己描述为乌克兰犹太人,因为这只是我种族的一半,而且我并不是在犹太人的环境中长大的。

    回复:@Dmitry

  134. @reiner Tor
    @乌图


    考虑一下伊朗革命是有人策划的可能性
     
    削弱伊朗的一个更简单的方法就是不向伊朗提供当时最先进的武器和核技术。

    当时的伊朗似乎距离以色列还很远,而且对那些距离以色列较近的阿拉伯国家(尤其是伊拉克)有着天生的敌意,而这些国家的敌意也是不可调和的。革命本身使伊朗对以色列怀有敌意。

    所以这是一个没有任何证据甚至动机的阴谋论。

    回复:@Dmitry、@Anon、@utu、@yevardian

    以色列在伊朗革命后的头十年里一直支持伊朗。

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%27s_role_in_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war

    之后出现的冲突很可能与神学有很大关系——否则很难解释为什么伊朗关心以色列,因为它与以色列没有边界或直接冲突机制。

    巴勒斯坦人是逊尼派阿拉伯人——与所有与伊朗交战的国家的人口结构相同。

    然而,伊朗也曾为波斯尼亚人对抗塞尔维亚,因此他们可能会卷入非常抽象的冲突。

  135. @Dmitry
    @作为记录

    奇怪的是,这里主要是犹太人,因为我与以色列的联系和了解,指责我是“哈斯巴拉用户”。

    除非我记错了这些人是谁。

    到目前为止,我们有 Ron Unz(美国犹太人)、记录在案的(乌克兰犹太人)和 Greasy(美国犹太人?)。

    互联网真是一个讽刺的地方。

    后记 - 我也是犹太血统,但到了第三代 - 1 祖父通过他的母亲(即犹太曾祖母)。

    回复:@Greasy William、@German_reader、@for-the-record

    奇怪的是,这里主要是犹太人,因为我与以色列的联系和了解,指责我是“哈斯巴拉用户”。

    到目前为止,我们有 Ron Unz(美国犹太人)、记录在案的(乌克兰犹太人)和 Greasy(美国犹太人?)。

    我没有指责你是“Hasbara 用户”。我感谢您对以色列和犹太人民的支持。

    我只是指出,你是无上帝的、世俗的犹太复国主义的辩护者,这种犹太复国主义脱离了托拉,正处于垂死挣扎。你对世俗犹太复国主义的辩护如此之深,以至于你似乎甚至相信以色列国经过净化的民族神话,我以前认为只有愚蠢的米兹拉希姆才能相信这些神话。无论您去过以色列多少次或认识多少以色列人:以色列的未来取决于正统派和哈德林派,而不是您的世俗或“传统”以色列朋友。

    据记录,他不是犹太人。如您所知,非犹太母亲所生的人就不是犹太人。

    乌兹是一个自我憎恨的犹太人,而且越来越疯狂。如果他称你为哈斯巴主义者,则意味着你做得很好。

    • 回复: @Dmitry
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    我只是指出,你是无上帝的、世俗的犹太复国主义的辩护者,这种犹太复国主义脱离了托拉,正处于垂死挣扎。你对世俗犹太复国主义的辩护如此之深,以至于你似乎甚至相信以色列国经过净化的民族神话,我以前认为只有愚蠢的米兹拉希姆才能相信这些神话。无论您去过以色列多少次或认识多少以色列人:以色列的未来取决于正统派和哈德林派,而不是您的世俗或“传统”以色列朋友。
     
    在哪里?最初的帖子 - 我正在解释以色列是自由主义的 - 我认为这对于他的长期生存来说可能过于自由主义。*

    我写了一个准确的描述,有一些个人知识,而且我似乎比我在这里交谈过的任何人都更了解这个国家(为了方便起见,这里的一半用户是摩萨德的秘密特工),这导致了“我的权威” ,即使是自称的,关于这个话题。

    我不打算决定最初的观点,阿拉伯人或犹太人一开始在以色列的道德上是对还是错,我也不关心这些问题。 (当然,我会关心无辜者是否被杀——但我对其他不影响我的生活或朋友的道德说教形式不太同情)。

    *看看本周晚些时候划定 בג"ץ 权力的提案的情况将会很有趣。
  136. @for-the-record
    @reiner托尔

    《赫尔姆斯-伯顿法案》无疑加强了制裁(我上大学时杰西·赫尔姆斯是当地电视政治评论员),但制裁从一开始就相当严厉。具体而言,它们包括:

    - 禁止进口完全或部分由古巴材料制造的任何产品,即使是在其他国家制造的;

    ——禁止向任何向古巴提供援助的国家提供援助

    ——将所有参与与古巴贸易的船只列入黑名单,无论其所属国家如何
    登记,包括禁止任何此类船舶进入美国港口。

    我认为,最后一项尤其繁重。

    https://repository.law.miami.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1169&context=umiclr
    (第2-3页)

    回复:@reiner Tor

    这些措施比我想象的要严厉一些,但基本上没有达到自此以来的制裁中明显存在的彻底的治外法权。唯一明确的域外措施是禁止船只在进入古巴港口后进入美国港口。当然,俄罗斯很容易经受住这种类型的制裁。

    新一代域外制裁很难生存。

  137. @Greasy William
    @德米特里

    由于美国坚守自己的信仰,它成为了世界上最强大的国家。现在它已经失去了信仰,它正在走向遗忘。

    没有对上帝的信仰和崇拜,就不会有可持续的繁荣。

    回复:@AaronB、@Thorfinnsson、@reiner Tor、@Dmitry

    没有对上帝的信仰和崇拜,就不会有可持续的繁荣。

    宗教与繁荣之间的关联在哪里?

    对于某些社区(例如美国的摩门教徒),已有研究。

    但对于整个国家来说,我预计不会有任何关系,甚至在很小程度上会出现相反的关系。

  138. @Greasy William
    @德米特里



    奇怪的是,这里主要是犹太人,因为我与以色列的联系和了解,指责我是“哈斯巴拉用户”。

    到目前为止,我们有 Ron Unz(美国犹太人)、记录在案的(乌克兰犹太人)和 Greasy(美国犹太人?)。
     
    我没有指责你是“Hasbara 用户”。我感谢您对以色列和犹太人民的支持。

    我只是指出,你是无上帝的、世俗的犹太复国主义的辩护者,这种犹太复国主义脱离了托拉,正处于垂死挣扎。你对世俗犹太复国主义的辩护如此之深,以至于你似乎甚至相信以色列国经过净化的民族神话,我以前认为只有愚蠢的米兹拉希姆才能相信这些神话。无论您去过以色列多少次或认识多少以色列人:以色列的未来取决于正统派和哈德林派,而不是您的世俗或“传统”以色列朋友。

    据记录,他不是犹太人。如您所知,非犹太母亲所生的人就不是犹太人。

    乌兹是一个自我憎恨的犹太人,而且越来越疯狂。如果他称你为哈斯巴主义者,则意味着你做得很好。

    回复:@Dmitry

    我只是指出,你是无上帝的、世俗的犹太复国主义的辩护者,这种犹太复国主义脱离了托拉,正处于垂死挣扎。你对世俗犹太复国主义的辩护如此之深,以至于你似乎甚至相信以色列国经过净化的民族神话,我以前认为只有愚蠢的米兹拉希姆才能相信这些神话。无论您去过以色列多少次或认识多少以色列人:以色列的未来取决于正统派和哈德林派,而不是您的世俗或“传统”以色列朋友。

    在哪里?最初的帖子——我解释以色列是自由主义的——我认为这对于他的长期生存来说可能过于自由主义。*

    我写了一个准确的描述,有一些个人知识,而且我似乎比我在这里交谈过的任何人都更了解这个国家(为了方便起见,这里的一半用户是摩萨德的秘密特工),这导致了“我的权威” ,即使是自称的,关于这个话题。

    我不打算决定最初的观点,阿拉伯人或犹太人一开始在以色列的道德上是对还是错,我也不关心这些问题。 (当然,我会关心无辜者是否被杀——但我对其他不影响我的生活或朋友的道德说教形式不太同情)。

    *看看本周晚些时候划定 בג”ץ 权力的提案的情况将会很有趣。

  139. @reiner Tor
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    一般来说,一个社会要强大就需要有一定的宗教和灵性。一旦失去它(而走向星座和神秘崇拜的虚假灵性),它就会颓废,崩溃很快就会随之而来。

    尽管罗马在那之后设法保持了几个世纪的发展。

    回复:@German_reader

    尽管罗马在那之后设法保持了几个世纪的发展。

    罗马只有在帝国皈依基督教后才崩溃,所以我不认为缺乏灵性可以作为原因。
    虽然到了三世纪末四世纪初,古老的邪教似乎确实已经失去了很大的吸引力,但这也不是一个普遍现象。戴克里先似乎真的相信他与朱庇特有私人关系,而朱利安皇帝当然是一个虔诚的异教徒,花了很多时间进行动物祭祀。

  140. @Dmitry
    @作为记录

    奇怪的是,这里主要是犹太人,因为我与以色列的联系和了解,指责我是“哈斯巴拉用户”。

    除非我记错了这些人是谁。

    到目前为止,我们有 Ron Unz(美国犹太人)、记录在案的(乌克兰犹太人)和 Greasy(美国犹太人?)。

    互联网真是一个讽刺的地方。

    后记 - 我也是犹太血统,但到了第三代 - 1 祖父通过他的母亲(即犹太曾祖母)。

    回复:@Greasy William、@German_reader、@for-the-record

    你记错了,你被utu和AaronB iirc指责为Hasbara。

    • 同意: utu
    • 回复: @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    哈哈,那是在不同的帖子下。我经常被这样称呼——我会活下去。

    也许我应该接受它并在我的帖子中添加一些希伯来语文字。虽然可能只有Greasy能理解,但我不认为我会在与Greasy的单向对话中继续保持理智。

  141. @reiner Tor
    @米特勒


    苏联的失败主要是由于意识形态而非经济原因
     
    如果苏联人对其经济体系的可行性充满信心,那么根本就不会有任何问题。安德罗波夫想要经济改革,这就是他支持戈尔巴乔夫作为继任者的原因。整个崩溃是经济疲软的结果。

    回复:@for-the-record,@Mitleser

    整个崩溃是经济疲软的结果。

    经济疲软当然是一个重要因素,但我认为最根本的因素是戈尔巴乔夫。我认为如果换一位领导的话,结果可能会大不相同。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @作为记录

    经济疲软导致戈尔巴乔夫上任。

    我同意改革派的人本来可以更有能力。

    这里的意识形态也发挥了作用。例如,共产党人谈论民主(但没有实践),因此民主被用作反对既得利益的武器。戈尔巴乔夫广泛使用了它。

    另一件事是,除了共产党之外,没有任何东西可以将国家团结在一起。除了隐含的暴力威胁之外,没有什么能让欧洲卫星站在苏联一边。因此,由于民主化,共产党失去了对几个共和国的控制,这是为了防止“强硬派”阻止经济改革。

    现在,几年后(我想说最迟到 1989 年),越来越明显的是,经济改革没有发挥作用(经济开始萎缩),而政治改革则导致政治解体(华沙两党)条约和苏联本身)。

    在这种情况下,戈尔巴乔夫暂时试图扭转经济改革(以阻止生活水平的恶化并喘口气),并加倍努力进行政治改革(因为否则他就不得不承认他的整个改革计划是一个令人沮丧的计划)。失败——政治家常常加倍努力避免失败,以免显得软弱或愚蠢)。

    我认为他所做的并非完全不合逻辑(除非事后诸葛亮),但很难知道其他人是否真的会做得很好。

    回复:@ for-the-record

  142. @reiner Tor
    @乌图


    考虑一下伊朗革命是有人策划的可能性
     
    削弱伊朗的一个更简单的方法就是不向伊朗提供当时最先进的武器和核技术。

    当时的伊朗似乎距离以色列还很远,而且对那些距离以色列较近的阿拉伯国家(尤其是伊拉克)有着天生的敌意,而这些国家的敌意也是不可调和的。革命本身使伊朗对以色列怀有敌意。

    所以这是一个没有任何证据甚至动机的阴谋论。

    回复:@Dmitry、@Anon、@utu、@yevardian

    削弱伊朗的一个更简单的方法就是不向伊朗提供当时最先进的武器和核技术。

    这需要美国和苏联之间的合作。

  143. @reiner Tor
    @乌图


    考虑一下伊朗革命是有人策划的可能性
     
    削弱伊朗的一个更简单的方法就是不向伊朗提供当时最先进的武器和核技术。

    当时的伊朗似乎距离以色列还很远,而且对那些距离以色列较近的阿拉伯国家(尤其是伊拉克)有着天生的敌意,而这些国家的敌意也是不可调和的。革命本身使伊朗对以色列怀有敌意。

    所以这是一个没有任何证据甚至动机的阴谋论。

    回复:@Dmitry、@Anon、@utu、@yevardian

    显然我们不知道也没有证据。正是在这个时期,阿富汗的世俗政府因伊斯兰主义者从中央情报局获得的支持而变得不稳定,这些支持给苏联制造了麻烦,并最终吸引了他们。

    有人帮助破坏了伊朗的稳定。会是苏联吗?我对此表示怀疑,因为他们没有与伊斯兰主义者打交道,而且他们与沙阿的关系相对较好。然而沙阿本人相信英国人是伊朗革命的幕后黑手。事实上,英国人继续与霍梅尼政权合作:

    伊朗伊斯兰革命:先培育后武装阿亚图拉
    http://markcurtis.info/2017/02/01/islamic-revolution-in-iran-cultivating-then-arming-the-ayatollah/

    短期内,以色列充分利用了伊朗作为美国盟友的事实,尽可能多地从伊朗获取利润,甚至可能帮助其核计划(这可能是虚假信息,尽管这是为了不在场证据)目的),但最重要的是,以色列在此过程中能够彻底渗透伊朗:

    在沙阿领导下的以色列是否帮助启动了伊朗的核计划?
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/a-generation-ago-israelis-found-paradise-in-iran/

    伊朗是盟国以色列的通缉犯。 IT GOT沙特阿拉伯
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/a-generation-ago-israelis-found-paradise-in-iran/

    据我们所知,伊农计划当时尚未正式制定,但也许已经在制定中了。所有世俗的中东国家都被视为威胁。为什么不是伊朗?从长远来看,以色列是否希望拥有一个强大的伊朗,同时又与西方友好?不,以色列对来自沙特阿拉伯的可以在 24 小时内卷起来的 nincompoops 更放心。

    伊朗必须从美国手中夺走。伊朗革命成功地做到了这一点。伊朗成为西方的正式敌人。制裁阻碍了一切进展。下一步是两伊战争,美国站在伊拉克一边,而伊农计划则设想在这场战争中摧毁伊拉克。

    不管怎样,我的假设是,伊朗必须走,因为它变得太强大了,而且矛盾的是,它与西方的关系太好了。伊朗革命实现了这一目标。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @乌图


    有人帮助破坏了伊朗的稳定。
     
    嗯,伊斯兰主义是一个本土运动。尽管西方当然没有采取任何反对措施。

    会是苏联吗?我对此表示怀疑,因为他们没有与伊斯兰主义者打交道,而且他们与沙阿的关系相对较好。
     
    他们当然帮助了马克思主义革命者,没有他们,革命就不会失败。后来霍梅尼巧妙地靠边站并摧毁了他们。正如他对伊斯兰运动中的敌人所做的那样。

    苏联人最初认为革命者会成为他们的盟友,因为他们反美,而国王则亲美。
  144. @for-the-record
    @reiner托尔

    整个崩溃是经济疲软的结果。

    经济疲软当然是一个重要因素,但我认为最根本的因素是戈尔巴乔夫。我认为如果换一位领导的话,结果可能会大不相同。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    经济疲软导致戈尔巴乔夫上任。

    我同意改革派的人本来可以更有能力。

    这里的意识形态也发挥了作用。例如,共产党人谈论民主(但没有实践),因此民主被用作反对既得利益的武器。戈尔巴乔夫广泛使用了它。

    另一件事是,除了共产党之外,没有任何东西可以将国家团结在一起。除了隐含的暴力威胁之外,没有什么能让欧洲卫星站在苏联一边。因此,由于民主化,共产党失去了对几个共和国的控制,这是为了防止“强硬派”阻止经济改革。

    现在,几年后(我想说最迟到 1989 年),越来越明显的是,经济改革没有发挥作用(经济开始萎缩),而政治改革则导致政治解体(华沙两党)条约和苏联本身)。

    在这种情况下,戈尔巴乔夫暂时试图扭转经济改革(以阻止生活水平的恶化并喘口气),并加倍努力进行政治改革(因为否则他就不得不承认他的整个改革计划是一个令人沮丧的计划)。失败——政治家常常加倍努力避免失败,以免显得软弱或愚蠢)。

    我认为他所做的并非完全不合逻辑(除非事后诸葛亮),但很难知道其他人是否真的会做得很好。

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @reiner托尔

    如果你还没有读过,我强烈推荐 Matlock 的 帝国的尸检,我需要自己回去重新读一遍。

  145. @Dmitry
    @作为记录

    奇怪的是,这里主要是犹太人,因为我与以色列的联系和了解,指责我是“哈斯巴拉用户”。

    除非我记错了这些人是谁。

    到目前为止,我们有 Ron Unz(美国犹太人)、记录在案的(乌克兰犹太人)和 Greasy(美国犹太人?)。

    互联网真是一个讽刺的地方。

    后记 - 我也是犹太血统,但到了第三代 - 1 祖父通过他的母亲(即犹太曾祖母)。

    回复:@Greasy William、@German_reader、@for-the-record

    奇怪的是,这里主要是犹太人,因为我与以色列的联系和了解,指责我是“哈斯巴拉用户”。

    不是我说的,我一生中从未使用过“哈斯巴拉”这个词。我确实批评过你对阿拉伯和基督教居民明显缺乏同情心,所以这也许就是你的想法。我并不完全理解你的言论,即以色列应该拒绝我入境,因为我正在为一个(宗教)非政府组织工作,该组织正在寻求改善这些人的生活。

    不确定我是否会将自己描述为乌克兰犹太人,因为这只是我种族的一半,而且我并不是在犹太人的环境中长大的。

    • 回复: @Dmitry
    @作为记录

    好吧,也许我会重写那篇文章的观点。

    我的观点是,无论最初的情况是否正义,这个国家(以色列)对于少数群体可能过于自由,在低水平内战局势中达到了自杀的程度,这是那里的永久现实(与敌对人口混居在同一个国家)。

    一些自由主义是好的,但在这种情况下,自由主义可能太多了。

    同情和说教不是我关心的。我对所有少数群体感到一定程度的同情,如果我个人是他们的朋友,这种同情会更大。

    当我看到各种各样的人,包括非法移民和我们在这里批评的其他人时,我感到同情。

    但如果我像我的一些朋友一样一直在以色列投资和生活,我就不会感到同情,而是更喜欢多数群体的统治,不管历史上可能存在不公正。

    就像我要永久生活在美国一样,我不希望美国原住民或非裔美国人向我射箭,而是希望美国的多数群体占主导地位。

    同样,如果你住在索契,切尔克斯人不会从山顶发起进攻,这也是件好事。

    这并不是说要反对历史上那些人身上发生的不公正现象。

  146. @utu
    @reiner托尔

    显然我们不知道也没有证据。正是在这个时期,阿富汗的世俗政府因伊斯兰主义者从中央情报局获得的支持而变得不稳定,这些支持给苏联制造了麻烦,并最终吸引了他们。

    有人帮助破坏了伊朗的稳定。会是苏联吗?我对此表示怀疑,因为他们没有与伊斯兰主义者打交道,而且他们与沙阿的关系相对较好。然而沙阿本人相信英国人是伊朗革命的幕后黑手。事实上,英国人继续与霍梅尼政权合作:



    伊朗伊斯兰革命:先培育后武装阿亚图拉
    http://markcurtis.info/2017/02/01/islamic-revolution-in-iran-cultivating-then-arming-the-ayatollah/
     
    短期内,以色列充分利用了伊朗作为美国盟友的事实,尽可能多地从伊朗获取利润,甚至可能帮助其核计划(这可能是虚假信息,尽管这是为了不在场证据)目的),但最重要的是,以色列在此过程中能够彻底渗透伊朗:

    在沙阿领导下的以色列是否帮助启动了伊朗的核计划?
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/a-generation-ago-israelis-found-paradise-in-iran/

    伊朗是盟国以色列的通缉犯。 IT GOT沙特阿拉伯
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/a-generation-ago-israelis-found-paradise-in-iran/
     
    据我们所知,伊农计划当时尚未正式制定,但也许已经在制定中了。所有世俗的中东国家都被视为威胁。为什么不是伊朗?从长远来看,以色列是否希望拥有一个强大的伊朗,同时又与西方友好?不,以色列对来自沙特阿拉伯的可以在 24 小时内卷起来的 nincompoops 更放心。

    伊朗必须从美国手中夺走。伊朗革命成功地做到了这一点。伊朗成为西方的正式敌人。制裁阻碍了一切进展。下一步是两伊战争,美国站在伊拉克一边,而伊农计划则设想在这场战争中摧毁伊拉克。

    不管怎样,我的假设是,伊朗必须走,因为它变得太强大了,而且矛盾的是,它与西方的关系太好了。伊朗革命实现了这一目标。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    有人帮助破坏了伊朗的稳定。

    嗯,伊斯兰主义是一个本土运动。尽管西方当然没有采取任何反对措施。

    会是苏联吗?我对此表示怀疑,因为他们没有与伊斯兰主义者打交道,而且他们与沙阿的关系相对较好。

    他们当然帮助了马克思主义革命者,没有他们,革命就不会失败。后来霍梅尼巧妙地靠边站并摧毁了他们。正如他对伊斯兰运动中的敌人所做的那样。

    苏联人最初认为革命者会成为他们的盟友,因为他们反美,而国王则亲美。

  147. @reiner Tor
    @作为记录

    经济疲软导致戈尔巴乔夫上任。

    我同意改革派的人本来可以更有能力。

    这里的意识形态也发挥了作用。例如,共产党人谈论民主(但没有实践),因此民主被用作反对既得利益的武器。戈尔巴乔夫广泛使用了它。

    另一件事是,除了共产党之外,没有任何东西可以将国家团结在一起。除了隐含的暴力威胁之外,没有什么能让欧洲卫星站在苏联一边。因此,由于民主化,共产党失去了对几个共和国的控制,这是为了防止“强硬派”阻止经济改革。

    现在,几年后(我想说最迟到 1989 年),越来越明显的是,经济改革没有发挥作用(经济开始萎缩),而政治改革则导致政治解体(华沙两党)条约和苏联本身)。

    在这种情况下,戈尔巴乔夫暂时试图扭转经济改革(以阻止生活水平的恶化并喘口气),并加倍努力进行政治改革(因为否则他就不得不承认他的整个改革计划是一个令人沮丧的计划)。失败——政治家常常加倍努力避免失败,以免显得软弱或愚蠢)。

    我认为他所做的并非完全不合逻辑(除非事后诸葛亮),但很难知道其他人是否真的会做得很好。

    回复:@ for-the-record

    如果你还没有读过,我强烈推荐 Matlock 的 帝国的尸检,我需要自己回去重新读一遍。

  148. @reiner Tor
    @JL

    报复与发起此类行动不同。一方面,报复是合法的。另一方面,我确信美国的房地产价格更高,因此报复仍然可能意味着俄罗斯在货币价值方面损失更多。

    回复:@AP

    莫斯科地区的房地产价格可能高于西雅图地区。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @AP

    莫斯科地区的别墅被扣押,作为对马里兰州和纽约州两处住宅被非法扣押的回应。我认为这些可能是美国最昂贵的州之一,尽管我可能是错的。

    回复:@JL

  149. @for-the-record
    @匿名co夫

    引用詹姆斯并不是什么“证据”,这本书是一个真正的异常值,令人惊讶的是它被包含在“语料库”中——大概这是因为作者被认为是“主的兄弟”。

    雅各主张通过行为而不是信仰来得救,这与教会采用并仍然坚持的保罗教义完全矛盾:

    雅各:“你们看,人称义是因着他所做的事,并不是单因着信。”(雅各书 2:24)

    保罗:“我们说,人称义是因着信,不在乎遵行律法……”(罗马书 3:28)

    回复:@Greasy William,@Anon

    魂斗罗 路德、雅各布不是“稻草书信”,教会教义也不是那么简单: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10202b.htm

  150. @German_reader
    @德米特里

    你记错了,你被utu和AaronB iirc指责为Hasbara。

    回复:@Dmitry

    哈哈,那是在不同的帖子下。我经常被这样称呼——我会活下去。

    也许我应该接受它并在我的帖子中添加一些希伯来语文字。虽然可能只有Greasy能理解,但我不认为我会在与Greasy的单向对话中继续保持理智。

  151. @AaronB
    @German_reader


    如果你不想谈论具体的神学,那么谈论上帝有什么意义呢?
     
    你是对的,我们必须明确地制定和选择一种宗教——即使它是融合的,或者在重要方面是新的。我们绝对不能停留在笼统的水平上,你说得很对。

    我的意思只是说,很明显,坚持不同信仰的不同社区可以蓬勃发展,并且历史悠久。似乎有很多通往上帝的合法途径。历史表明,唯一确定的衰落之路就是失去通往上帝的道路。

    伊斯兰教早期几个世纪的哈里发士兵或16世纪西班牙的士兵有很大的帝国野心,毫无疑问他们中的许多人相信他们正在执行上帝的旨意,因此这似乎是一种相当片面的观点。
     
    我认为仔细阅读历史就会发现,你的每个例子都紧接着一段衰退时期。约翰·格鲁布 (John Glubb) 对 8 世纪和 9 世纪巴格达的社会衰落发表了一些非常中肯且具有启发性的评论,这些评论惊人地反映了我们在伊斯兰扩张之后的时期的社会衰落,甚至到了女权主义(!),当然,众所周知,黄金时代征服美洲后不久,西班牙的财富和权力就衰落了。

    格鲁布的文章考察了直到英国为止的所有已知帝国,发现在繁荣扩张时期之后立即出现了一种非常一致的衰落模式。

    因为事实上,当帝国的野心取代了合法的繁荣时,你就已经转向过度的物质主义并破坏了对上帝的信仰。

    回复:@Thorfinnsson

    格鲁布帕夏的文章非常好,但还有更简单、更平庸的解释。

    1 – 回归均值
    2 – 帝国的成功会导致其他人加强他们的游戏并结成联盟来对抗你

    以拿破仑战争或第二次世界大战为例。拿破仑和国防军的相对表现逐渐恶化,而他们的敌人则逐渐变得更好(并积累了优势资源)。

    今天,我们可以从美国愚蠢政策创建的新的俄中联盟中看到这一点。这就引出了第三点。正如希腊人所说,狂妄自大会滋生报应。

    或者摘自我们宏伟的《钦定版圣经》箴言 16:18:

    骄傲在毁灭之前出现,傲慢的精神在跌倒之前出现。

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @托尔芬森

    拿破仑和国防军的相对表现逐渐恶化,而他们的敌人则逐渐变得更好(并积累了优势资源)。

    还有二战中的日本人,他们在早期占据主导地位。

    回复:@Thorfinnsson、@random rand

    , @DFH
    @托尔芬森

    另一个因素是,最初的成功给了你采取愚蠢和妄想的态度和政策的空间,而这些态度和政策后来无法及时改变,正如今天的大英帝国和美国所观察到的那样。

  152. @AP
    @reiner托尔

    莫斯科地区的房地产价格可能高于西雅图地区。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    莫斯科地区的别墅被扣押,作为对马里兰州和纽约州两处住宅被非法扣押的回应。我认为这些可能是美国最昂贵的州之一,尽管我可能是错的。

    • 回复: @JL
    @reiner托尔

    这些别墅位于莫斯科市区,而不是莫斯科地区。它是城市范围内仅存的少数别墅群之一,位于莫斯科河上游的河岸上。这是珍贵的房地产,大多数都无法以任何价格出售。我不知道它是否与俄罗斯人夺取的东西完全可比,但可能非常接近。而且,正如阿纳托利已经写过的那样,美国人失去了他们在圣彼得堡的所有房地产。

    无论如何,这大多都是象征性的。我最初的观点是俄罗斯人确实进行了报复,而不是他们的行为是非法或不公正的。

    回复:@reiner Tor

  153. @for-the-record
    @德米特里

    奇怪的是,这里主要是犹太人,因为我与以色列的联系和了解,指责我是“哈斯巴拉用户”。

    不是我说的,我一生中从未使用过“哈斯巴拉”这个词。我确实批评过你对阿拉伯和基督教居民明显缺乏同情心,所以这也许就是你的想法。我并不完全理解你的言论,即以色列应该拒绝我入境,因为我正在为一个(宗教)非政府组织工作,该组织正在寻求改善这些人的生活。

    不确定我是否会将自己描述为乌克兰犹太人,因为这只是我种族的一半,而且我并不是在犹太人的环境中长大的。

    回复:@Dmitry

    好吧,也许我会重写那篇文章的观点。

    我的观点是,无论最初的情况是否正义,这个国家(以色列)对于少数群体可能过于自由,在低水平内战局势中达到了自杀的程度,这是那里的永久现实(与敌对人口混居在同一个国家)。

    一些自由主义是好的,但在这种情况下,自由主义可能太多了。

    同情和说教不是我关心的。我对所有少数群体感到一定程度的同情,如果我个人是他们的朋友,这种同情会更大。

    当我看到各种各样的人,包括非法移民和我们在这里批评的其他人时,我感到同情。

    但如果我像我的一些朋友一样一直在以色列投资和生活,我就不会感到同情,而是更喜欢多数群体的统治,不管历史上可能存在不公正。

    就像我要永久生活在美国一样,我不希望美国原住民或非裔美国人向我射箭,而是希望美国的多数群体占主导地位。

    同样,如果你住在索契,切尔克斯人不会从山顶发起进攻,这也是件好事。

    这并不是说要反对历史上那些人身上发生的不公正现象。

  154. @Bukephalos
    @reiner托尔

    看到目前美国政治生活的显着特征,例如“通俄门”或日益增长的审查趋势,这可以被理解为意识形态驱动的,即疯狂。但我相信那是恐惧。

    为什么谷歌会降低 RT 文章的排名,或者如果你相信他们对一个事件的版本,为什么你被称为俄罗斯特工? 是否与他们不得不上演三个 CW 剧院作为干预叙利亚的触发器有关,每次都更加荒谬和难以置信,但他们仍然继续。 第四是魅力,也许? 虽然叙利亚政府仍然坐着,政权更迭的魔力肯定已经消失了。

    回复:@reiner Tor、@reiner Tor、@Thorfinnsson

    恐惧是对内部反对派,即可悲者的恐惧。我们是一个新兴的统治阶级,力图取代现有的僵化(而且严重腐败和邪恶)的统治阶级。

    理解这一点的一个好方法是从宗教角度分析这一点。

    大教堂(Moldbug 的术语)是天主教堂。可悲的是新教改革。

    加强审查、阴谋论等是反改革运动。

    当然,大教堂缺乏早期现代天主教知识分子的自我意识和智力火力。

    一个更近期的世俗例子是复辟、神圣联盟、卡尔斯巴德法令等。

  155. @reiner Tor
    @Anatoly卡琳

    在奥巴马政府的最后几周,他们非法关闭了一个外交大院。 我认为尽管它归俄罗斯所有,但他们仍然没有归还。 西雅图大楼也继续为俄罗斯政府所有。 他们不能只是移除锁并闯入它。 至少他们可以要求合作。

    他们对俄罗斯的态度显然比对苏联严厉得多。 唯一能与更强大国家的待遇进行比较的是他们对待日本帝国和纳粹德国的方式。 当然,他们对俄罗斯的严厉程度仍不及对伊朗的严厉。 但对伊朗的待遇也有些反常。 他们在冷战期间是否曾单方面对任何国家实施过如此严厉的制裁?

    回复:@Mitleser、@yevardian、@JL、@Bukephalos、@utu

    他们对俄罗斯的态度显然比对苏联严厉得多。

    他们害怕苏联,并因其单一的意识形态和内部纪律而尊重它。现在的俄罗斯就像任何其他国家一样,都是贪婪和腐败的政客,他们什么都不相信,也没有什么可以依靠的,因此他们可以被贿赂和恐吓。叶利钦时代清楚地证明了这一点。

    • 同意: reiner Tor
    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @乌图

    我同意。

    还有一个因素是,现在苏联解体已经过去了比较长的时间,老家伙们认为既然苏联已经不复存在了,那么美国一定是无可争议的世界主人。年轻人或多或少是在这种世界观中长大的,所以对他们来说,这是事物的自然安排,他们无法想到任何其他的世界秩序。

    这些人需要非常强烈的反对。普京显然不是这样的反对派。他不是一个愿意为自己的理想而死的人,而且他的理想本来就不值得为他而死。

    回复:@German_reader、@utu、@Mitleser

  156. @reiner Tor
    @布克法洛斯

    到目前为止,叙利亚对美国来说是一个损失,但通常在大多数冲突中,失败方可以指出局部战术或行动的胜利,而在战略层面上失败。

    目前俄罗斯在经济上正在流血,而美国则因为一个种族游说团体而输掉了一场边缘战,这对它来说很重要。

    俄罗斯不可能在经济疲软的同时保持军事强大和政治稳定。 苏联在第三世界一直保持胜利,直到它崩溃,而第一次世界大战的德国也一直在获胜,直到它在一场快速的战役后突然崩溃。 同样,他们在二战中不断获胜,而在战争生产方面却落后了,但最终他们开始输了。

    经济是任何持续冲突(冷或热)的基石,而美国在这方面仍然非常强大。

    回复:@Mitleser、@Thorfinnsson

    顺便说一句,德国人和俄罗斯人都意识到了这一点,并因此制定了适当的学说。

    普鲁士之所以如此军国主义(除了选帝侯和腓特烈大帝的野心之外),是因为它可支配的资源比法国、奥地利和俄罗斯少得多。这个想法是,只有通过快速、果断和胜利的战役,普鲁士才能维持其地位和野心。当陷入消耗战(七年战争)时,普鲁士将被叶卡捷琳娜大帝消灭,直到她去世。

    早期相当于普鲁士王国的是瑞典王国。在波尔塔瓦之前,瑞典军队在很大程度上被认为在战场上是无敌的。

    施利芬计划、秋季盖尔布计划和巴巴罗萨行动都认识到了这一点。

    施利芬计划的失败实际上是由于德国国会拒绝在丹吉尔危机之后到阿加迪尔危机之后匹配法国陆军开支的持续增加。愤世嫉俗者当然会指出,由于他的舰队建设计划(从军队中转移资源)和各种失误,德皇威廉二世应对此负责。

    法尔·盖尔布和巴巴罗萨确实非常相似——质量优越的德军横扫了他们面前的一切。东部有麻烦,他们必须继续……扫荡。直到他们耗尽补给线和储备。

    苏联在冷战期间也有或多或少相同的学说。华沙条约组织的军队之所以持续比反对他们的北约军队规模更大,是因为他们意识到北约拥有优越的资源。假设的第三次世界大战持续的时间越长,苏联失败的可能性就越大。

    因此这个计划: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_to_the_River_Rhine

    YouTube 上的 Binkov's Battlegrounds 制作了一个有趣的三部分系列,模拟了 3 年假想的第三次世界大战:

    这是涵盖地面战争的第三个视频:

    空战和海战有单独的视频。

    如今,俄罗斯处于相对弱势的地位,反而以核战争相威胁,甚至懒得在和平时期维持常规优势。

    马尔蒂亚诺夫海军上将关于俄罗斯导弹优势的看法可能是正确的,但这些导弹在与北约的激烈冲突中很快就会耗尽。

    • 回复: @Thorfinnsson
    @托尔芬森

    除此之外:瑞典帝国的衰落不仅仅是因为战场上的失败,还因为战败。

    卡尔十二世的灾难性失败可以与普鲁士的耶拿和奥尔施泰特相比较。普鲁士恢复了。

    另一方面,瑞典进入了“自由时代”(争吵的时代),就是这样。如果古斯塔夫三世活得更久,瑞典可能会恢复为一个强国。

    然而,普鲁士人始终拒绝这一请求。雅各宾派、德国自由民族主义者和弗里德里希·威廉的盎格鲁-拉普主义都被拒绝了。

    今天的俄罗斯、伊朗和中国都有这样的教训。

    , @reiner Tor
    @托尔芬森

    华沙条约组织的计划不太现实。我看到一些有关匈牙利人民军计划的讨论,很明显我们的军队无法胜任这项任务。我知道匈牙利因在军备竞赛中偷懒而受到严厉批评,幸运的是我们的对手意大利人也做了同样的事情,所以理论上还有一些机会,但可能性不大,因为我们必须先打通奥地利,然后在一周内达到意大利北部的某个战略目标。此后,匈牙利军队将被耗尽并被苏联军队取代。

    这表明卫星部队的主要任务是让敌人流血,同时避免苏联伤亡。本质上他们是要被牺牲的。但他们的战斗力如何呢?我想没有任何热情。

    , @AP
    @托尔芬森


    东部有麻烦,他们必须继续……扫荡。直到他们耗尽补给线和储备。
     
    Twinkie解释说,如果没有希特勒的干涉,德国仍然有很大的机会通过榨干苏联人的血来获胜(弹性防御 - 第三次哈尔科夫战役);希特勒迫使德国人采取更加固定的阵地,这并没有发挥出他们的实力,注定了失败。
  157. @Thorfinnsson
    @亚伦B

    格鲁布帕夏的文章非常好,但还有更简单、更平庸的解释。

    1 - 回归均值
    2 - 帝国的成功会导致其他人加强他们的游戏并结成联盟来对抗你

    以拿破仑战争或第二次世界大战为例。拿破仑和国防军的相对表现逐渐恶化,而他们的敌人则逐渐变得更好(并积累了优势资源)。

    今天,我们可以从美国愚蠢政策创建的新的俄中联盟中看到这一点。这就引出了第三点。正如希腊人所说,狂妄自大会滋生报应。

    或者摘自我们宏伟的《钦定版圣经》箴言 16:18:


    骄傲在毁灭之前出现,傲慢的精神在跌倒之前出现。
     

    回复:@for-the-record,@DFH

    拿破仑和国防军的相对表现逐渐恶化,而他们的敌人则逐渐变得更好(并积累了优势资源)。

    还有二战中的日本人,他们在早期占据主导地位。

    • 回复: @Thorfinnsson
    @作为记录

    是的。这基本上适用于任何野心勃勃的弱国。

    一个与罗马和迦太基之间的斗争一样古老的故事。

    可能比那要老很多。

    我能立即想到的唯一一场由根本上较弱的国家获胜的长期战争是伯罗奔尼撒战争。斯巴达得到了波斯的补贴,所以你就可以了。

    第二次世界大战有点有趣,因为德国在斯大林格勒之后试图在经济上与敌人抗衡。德国人取得了一些惊人的成果,但面对苏联的压路机和盟军的联合轰炸攻势,这还不够(俄罗斯人一直低估这是对西方诺曼底登陆自慰的一种反应)。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    , @random rand
    @作为记录

    日本人早期的统治并没有多大意义,因为他们做得很好只是因为他们周围的其他人都是彻头彻尾的废人。事实上,日本自己也知道这一点,因为他们从未想过自己能够击败苏联或美国。即使在早期,他们也成功入侵并输给了苏联。鉴于其绝对的军事优势,他们在入侵中国时也表现得很惨。日本应该做的就是保住满洲,就这样吧,而不是愚蠢地从四面八方入侵。

    回复:@Thorfinnsson

  158. @Thorfinnsson
    @reiner托尔

    顺便说一句,德国人和俄罗斯人都意识到了这一点,并因此制定了适当的学说。

    普鲁士之所以如此军国主义(除了选帝侯和腓特烈大帝的野心之外),是因为它可支配的资源比法国、奥地利和俄罗斯少得多。这个想法是,只有通过快速、果断和胜利的战役,普鲁士才能维持其地位和野心。当陷入消耗战(七年战争)时,普鲁士将被叶卡捷琳娜大帝消灭,直到她去世。

    早期相当于普鲁士王国的是瑞典王国。在波尔塔瓦之前,瑞典军队在很大程度上被认为在战场上是无敌的。

    施利芬计划、秋季盖尔布计划和巴巴罗萨行动都认识到了这一点。

    施利芬计划的失败实际上是由于德国国会拒绝在丹吉尔危机之后到阿加迪尔危机之后匹配法国陆军开支的持续增加。愤世嫉俗者当然会指出,由于他的舰队建设计划(从军队中转移资源)和各种失误,德皇威廉二世应对此负责。

    法尔盖尔布和巴巴罗萨确实非常相似——质量优越的德国陆军横扫了他们面前的一切。东部有麻烦,他们必须继续……扫荡。直到他们耗尽补给线和储备。

    苏联在冷战期间也有或多或少相同的学说。华沙条约组织的军队之所以持续比反对他们的北约军队规模更大,是因为他们意识到北约拥有优越的资源。假设的第三次世界大战持续的时间越长,苏联失败的可能性就越大。

    因此这个计划:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_to_the_River_Rhine

    YouTube 上的 Binkov's Battlegrounds 制作了一个有趣的三部分系列,模拟了 3 年假想的第三次世界大战:

    这是涵盖地面战争的第三个视频:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kONMKmWQyE8

    空战和海战有单独的视频。

    如今,俄罗斯处于相对弱势的地位,反而以核战争相威胁,甚至懒得在和平时期维持常规优势。

    马尔蒂亚诺夫海军上将关于俄罗斯导弹优势的看法可能是正确的,但这些导弹在与北约的激烈冲突中很快就会耗尽。

    回复:@Thorfinnsson、@reiner Tor、@AP

    除此之外:瑞典帝国的衰落不仅仅是因为战场上的失败,还因为战败。

    卡尔十二世的灾难性失败可以与普鲁士的耶拿和奥尔施泰特相比较。普鲁士恢复了。

    另一方面,瑞典进入了“自由时代”(争吵的时代),就是这样。如果古斯塔夫三世活得更久,瑞典可能会恢复为一个强国。

    然而,普鲁士人始终拒绝这一请求。雅各宾派、德国自由民族主义者和弗里德里希·威廉的盎格鲁-拉普主义都被拒绝了。

    今天的俄罗斯、伊朗和中国都有这样的教训。

  159. @for-the-record
    @托尔芬森

    拿破仑和国防军的相对表现逐渐恶化,而他们的敌人则逐渐变得更好(并积累了优势资源)。

    还有二战中的日本人,他们在早期占据主导地位。

    回复:@Thorfinnsson、@random rand

    是的。这基本上适用于任何野心勃勃的弱国。

    一个与罗马和迦太基之间的斗争一样古老的故事。

    可能比那要老很多。

    我能立即想到的唯一一场由根本上较弱的国家获胜的长期战争是伯罗奔尼撒战争。斯巴达得到了波斯的补贴,所以你就可以了。

    第二次世界大战有点有趣,因为德国在斯大林格勒之后试图在经济上与敌人抗衡。德国人取得了一些惊人的成果,但面对苏联的压路机和盟军的联合轰炸攻势,这还不够(俄罗斯人一直低估这是对西方诺曼底登陆自慰的一种反应)。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @托尔芬森


    第二次世界大战有点有趣,因为德国在斯大林格勒之后试图在经济上与敌人抗衡。
     
    你读过图兹、奥弗里或埃文斯的书吗?

    显然,新的共识是,德国人早在 1940 年就已经将几乎所有可用资源投入到战争生产中,但他们并没有以有效的方式做到这一点,因为德国军方不断要求武器的多种变型、手工质量和持续的生产能力。改进,并扼杀了大规模生产。

    另一个问题是投资,他们不断建造重要的军事设施(包括合成橡胶和合成燃料的化工厂),这在战争第一阶段将资源从战争生产中转移出来。

    第三个问题(与前一个相关)是,他们将做好充分的战争准备,所有能力都已上线,主要武器系统已开发并投入使用。战争的早期爆发阻止了这一点,战争使德国没有全套武器。 (直到 1942 年底才出现重型坦克,没有重型轰炸机或运输机,没有完全机动化的军队,但无论如何没有合成燃料厂为其提供燃料,没有足够的钢铁产能,还有很多其他瓶颈等等)

    他们在法国有很多运气,这使他们能够在没有装备齐全的军队和功能齐全的军事工业的情况下走得尽可能远。但他们浪费了恢复战时经济的机会,直到为时已晚才完全开始大规模生产。无论如何,在几年内征服一个庞大的种族帝国的整个想法是一个不太可能的事情。

    回复:@Thorfinnsson,@DFH

  160. @utu
    @reiner托尔


    他们对俄罗斯的态度显然比对苏联严厉得多。
     
    他们害怕苏联,并因其单一的意识形态和内部纪律而尊重它。现在的俄罗斯就像任何其他国家一样,都是贪婪和腐败的政客,他们什么都不相信,也没有什么可以依靠的,因此他们可以被贿赂和恐吓。叶利钦时代清楚地证明了这一点。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    我同意。

    还有一个因素是,现在苏联解体已经过去了比较长的时间,老家伙们认为既然苏联已经不复存在了,那么美国一定是无可争议的世界主人。年轻人或多或少是在这种世界观中长大的,所以对他们来说,这是事物的自然安排,他们无法想到任何其他的世界秩序。

    这些人需要非常强烈的反对。普京显然不是这样的反对派。他不是一个愿意为自己的理想而死的人,而且他的理想本来就不值得为他而死。

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @reiner托尔


    他不是一个愿意为自己的理想而死的人,而且他的理想本来就不值得为他而死。
     
    “一个人不愿意为自己的理想而死”是什么意思?普京不可能与某个美国冠军进行单打独斗,他对整个俄罗斯社会负有责任,俄罗斯社会将在与美国人的全面战争中遭受可怕的痛苦,所以我认为一定的克制值得称赞。
    哪些理想值得为之献身?
    在我看来,这里对普京的攻击有点多。我不是这个人的粉丝,但我认为他有一些积极的品质,他必须做出的决定非常困难。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    , @utu
    @reiner托尔


    他不是一个愿意为自己的理想而死的人
     
    是的,没有人真正知道他的想法是什么。尽管世界末日般的确定是:没有俄罗斯就没有世界,这意味着俄罗斯将在灭亡之前摧毁世界。

    我怀疑,中国不愿向俄罗斯提供更强有力的支持,是因为她认为俄罗斯精英不值得信任,因为缺乏内部纪律,他们可能会在胡萝卜加大棒的压力下屈服。中国害怕美国所依赖的东西。中国有共产党,负责精英的纪律。
    , @Mitleser
    @reiner托尔

    这里的问题是,普京是接受美国统治和胜利并希望继续成为胜利一方的年轻一代之一。
    毫不奇怪,很难改变这样的世界观并投向对立面。

    回复:@reiner Tor

  161. @reiner Tor
    @乌图

    我同意。

    还有一个因素是,现在苏联解体已经过去了比较长的时间,老家伙们认为既然苏联已经不复存在了,那么美国一定是无可争议的世界主人。年轻人或多或少是在这种世界观中长大的,所以对他们来说,这是事物的自然安排,他们无法想到任何其他的世界秩序。

    这些人需要非常强烈的反对。普京显然不是这样的反对派。他不是一个愿意为自己的理想而死的人,而且他的理想本来就不值得为他而死。

    回复:@German_reader、@utu、@Mitleser

    他不是一个愿意为自己的理想而死的人,而且他的理想本来就不值得为他而死。

    “一个人不愿意为自己的理想而死”是什么意思?普京不可能与某个美国冠军进行单打独斗,他对整个俄罗斯社会负有责任,俄罗斯社会将在与美国人的全面战争中遭受可怕的痛苦,所以我认为一定的克制值得赞扬。
    哪些理想值得为之献身?
    在我看来,这里对普京的攻击有点多。我不是这个人的粉丝,但我认为他有一些积极的品质,他必须做出的决定非常困难。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @German_reader

    在博弈论中,在很多情况下,愿意为最小的轻视而死,同时最初对所有人都有礼貌是一个非常好的策略。在这种情况下,不愿意打架会导致耻辱,并且更有可能被杀。

    基本上,没有警察和法院系统来保护你——就像在国际关系中一样。

    回复:@German_reader

  162. @reiner Tor
    @布克法洛斯


    然而,我相信这是恐惧。
     
    所以呢。 斯大林的恐怖在很大程度上也是由恐惧驱动的——对外国势力和国内反对派的恐惧。 然而,认为他软弱是错误的。 希特勒是这么认为的,但他错了。

    回复:@Bukephalos

    这不是存在的恐惧。 只是害怕统治地位减弱,失去帝国。

  163. @reiner Tor
    @乌图

    我同意。

    还有一个因素是,现在苏联解体已经过去了比较长的时间,老家伙们认为既然苏联已经不复存在了,那么美国一定是无可争议的世界主人。年轻人或多或少是在这种世界观中长大的,所以对他们来说,这是事物的自然安排,他们无法想到任何其他的世界秩序。

    这些人需要非常强烈的反对。普京显然不是这样的反对派。他不是一个愿意为自己的理想而死的人,而且他的理想本来就不值得为他而死。

    回复:@German_reader、@utu、@Mitleser

    他不是一个愿意为自己的理想而死的人

    是的,没有人真正知道他的想法是什么。尽管世界末日般的确定是:没有俄罗斯就没有世界,这意味着俄罗斯将在灭亡之前摧毁世界。

    我怀疑,中国不愿向俄罗斯提供更强有力的支持,是因为她认为俄罗斯精英不值得信任,因为缺乏内部纪律,他们可能会在胡萝卜加大棒的压力下屈服。中国害怕美国所依赖的东西。中国有共产党,负责精英的纪律。

  164. @Thorfinnsson
    @作为记录

    是的。这基本上适用于任何野心勃勃的弱国。

    一个与罗马和迦太基之间的斗争一样古老的故事。

    可能比那要老很多。

    我能立即想到的唯一一场由根本上较弱的国家获胜的长期战争是伯罗奔尼撒战争。斯巴达得到了波斯的补贴,所以你就可以了。

    第二次世界大战有点有趣,因为德国在斯大林格勒之后试图在经济上与敌人抗衡。德国人取得了一些惊人的成果,但面对苏联的压路机和盟军的联合轰炸攻势,这还不够(俄罗斯人一直低估这是对西方诺曼底登陆自慰的一种反应)。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    第二次世界大战有点有趣,因为德国在斯大林格勒之后试图在经济上与敌人抗衡。

    你读过图兹、奥弗里或埃文斯的书吗?

    显然,新的共识是,德国人早在 1940 年就已经将几乎所有可用资源投入到战争生产中,但他们并没有以有效的方式做到这一点,因为德国军方不断要求武器的多种变型、手工质量和持续的生产能力。改进,并扼杀了大规模生产。

    另一个问题是投资,他们不断建造重要的军事设施(包括合成橡胶和合成燃料的化工厂),这在战争第一阶段将资源从战争生产中转移出来。

    第三个问题(与前一个相关)是,他们将做好充分的战争准备,所有能力都已上线,主要武器系统已开发并投入使用。战争的早期爆发阻止了这一点,战争使德国没有全套武器。 (直到 1942 年底才出现重型坦克,没有重型轰炸机或运输机,没有完全机动化的军队,但无论如何没有合成燃料厂为其提供燃料,没有足够的钢铁产能,还有很多其他瓶颈等等)

    他们在法国有很多运气,这使他们能够在没有装备齐全的军队和功能齐全的军事工业的情况下走得尽可能远。但他们浪费了恢复战时经济的机会,直到为时已晚才完全开始大规模生产。无论如何,在几年内征服一个庞大的种族帝国的整个想法是一个不太可能的事情。

    • 回复: @Thorfinnsson
    @reiner托尔

    我读过图兹的书,他很优秀。我确实同意德国对增加产量的关注早于阿尔伯特·施佩尔的任命,施佩尔慷慨地决定将“军备奇迹”归功于自己,同时谴责他曾经英雄崇拜的旧老板。

    也就是说,“新共识”过于修正主义。一些例子:

    *事实上,英国的飞机制造在不列颠之战期间实际上超过了德国
    *这位 H 人决心将德国平民的生活水平保持在第一次世界大战的水平之上,这种决心一直持续到 1943 年,当时他将国内事务交给了戈培尔、鲍曼和拉默斯
    *直到 1943 年才能够正确整合被征服领土和盟国的工业人才,特别是工程人才(例如,参见德国空军 5 年对优秀的意大利系列 1943 战斗机的评价)
    *决定基本上谋杀巴巴罗萨战俘而不是奴役他们
    *一个荒谬的决定 减少 巴巴罗萨之前的贝壳生产(?!)
    *1940 年中期下令暂停武器计划的开发,该计划需要超过 XNUMX 个月才能完成
    *在一个特别尴尬的例子中,赫尔曼·戈林在决定关闭所有不必要的业务时阻止了他最喜欢的柏林餐厅的关闭

    然而,我要说的是,一个不会消失的大神话是德国人在战争期间没有动员女性加入劳动力队伍的想法。

    还应该指出的是,在某些方面,德国人比盟国和苏联人采用了更多的标准化。例如,德国空军部严格限制特定飞机类别的型号数量和生产的发动机设计数量。人们通常会提到生产限制,尤其是发动机方面的限制,但直到 1942 年,德国实际上拥有比美国更多的机床和机械师(但公平地说,几乎所有其他类型的生产能力都比德国少)。

    陆军标准化程度较低的部分原因是德国没有充分重新武装或做好战争准备。结果,战利品被迫投入使用,而劣质设计则留在生产中。例如,海因茨·古德里安 (Heinz Guderian) 亲自保留了劣质 PzKw IV 的生产(与神话相反,它实际上并不比黑豹更可靠,而且只贵 10%)。

    其他问题是教义问题。例如,重型坦克是苏联和法国(以及英国在某种程度上的“步兵坦克”)学说的一部分,但不是德国的。德国的装甲战学说是在战争失败的基础上发展起来的。 皇帝施莱克特 1918 年。由于德国陆军卓越的战术素质,德国始终能够在不使用坦克的情况下突破盟军防线。但它无法利用主要运营层面的突破。

    海因茨·古德里安:



    坦克的发动机就像它的火炮一样是一种武器。
     
    相反,法国的学说源于突破战场防御工事的需要,因此重型坦克被认为很重要。

    我不太清楚为什么苏联在战前生产重型坦克,因为它似乎不符合深度作战原则。也许是斯大林的个人利益,或者仅仅是官僚主义要求的结果。

    德国重型坦克是根据先进(火力和武器装备)苏联和法国坦克的应对战斗经验而开发的,尽管瓦芬纳姆特早在 30 年就对 1937 吨坦克感兴趣。

    重型轰炸机也是类似的情况。瓦尔特·韦弗的去世和秃鹰行动的经历导致美国放弃战略轰炸,直到美国参战。事实上,德国四引擎重型轰炸机于 1935 年首次试飞,与 B-17 同年,而且远远早于任何英国重型轰炸机。

    重型运输机是另一个理论决定。 1938年之前,德国准备作战的对手是法国、波兰和捷克斯洛伐克。还应该指出的是,盟军和苏联在 1930 世纪 54 年代都没有开发出任何数量的重型运输机。 C-1942 直到 24 年才问世,而将 B-307 和波音 XNUMX 改装为军用运输机等工作也直到那一年才开始实施。

    鉴于战前德国汽车行业规模不足,德国军队的全面机动化可能始终是一个不切实际的目标。拥有更发达(生产能力)汽车行业的苏联,尽管也收到了租借卡车,但在战前或战争期间也未能完全实现机动化。直到 1950 世纪 XNUMX 年代末,德国才真正拥有了庞大的汽车行业。

    一支完全机动化的德国军队将更加依赖石油进口。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    , @DFH
    @reiner托尔


    显然,新的共识是,德国人早在 1940 年就已经将几乎所有可用资源投入到战争生产中,但他们并没有以有效的方式做到这一点,因为德国军方不断要求武器的多种变型、手工质量和持续的生产能力。改进,并扼杀了大规模生产。
     
    它仍然比英国的同等工业要好得多。 1 年,尽管发生了轰炸,德国飞机工厂的生产率仍比英国同行高出约 4/1944。

    回复:@reiner Tor

  165. 在所有地方的 /pol/ 上找到了这个。这本身就意味着必须非常谨慎地对待它,但尽管如此,地图仍然很有趣。有人看到任何异常的东西吗?

    快速浏览之后,巴黎对我来说显得低得可笑。尽管正如一些人在 /pol/ 线程中所写的那样,它可能包括所有的 banelieus。

    • 回复: @songbird
    @波兰视角

    没有什么明显不诚实的地方,但我认为南美与美国可能有不同的标准。美国是非西班牙裔白人,而我可能是错的,我相当怀疑布宜诺斯艾利斯的人口大约有70%是纯欧元。大概 70% 的人都相当白,但是纯洁吗?我对此表示怀疑。

    到 97 世纪 1950 年代,波士顿 89% 是白人。那些说美国一度有 95% 是白人的人基本上是错误的。到了 97 年代和 40 年代,像波士顿这样的大多数重要城市的白人比例为 50-XNUMX%,这仅意味着整个北方的白人比例要高得多。当您走进波士顿公共图书馆并看到壁画与图书馆里的人们时,您真的会感到震惊。

    回复:@Polish Perspective

    , @for-the-record
    @波兰视角

    华盛顿特区似乎明显偏离(太低),因为 2017 年白人的比例估计为 44.6%。当我上学时(河对岸的弗吉尼亚州北部),华盛顿特区 70% 以上是黑人。有趣的是,1950年至1970年间,白人人口从65%下降到28%,而最近的飞速上升都是在2000年后。

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Washington,_D.C.

    https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/DC


    对于巴黎来说,这些数字是针对法兰西岛的,该地区的人口接近 12 万,而巴黎本身的人口略高于 2 万。

  166. @Thorfinnsson
    @reiner托尔

    顺便说一句,德国人和俄罗斯人都意识到了这一点,并因此制定了适当的学说。

    普鲁士之所以如此军国主义(除了选帝侯和腓特烈大帝的野心之外),是因为它可支配的资源比法国、奥地利和俄罗斯少得多。这个想法是,只有通过快速、果断和胜利的战役,普鲁士才能维持其地位和野心。当陷入消耗战(七年战争)时,普鲁士将被叶卡捷琳娜大帝消灭,直到她去世。

    早期相当于普鲁士王国的是瑞典王国。在波尔塔瓦之前,瑞典军队在很大程度上被认为在战场上是无敌的。

    施利芬计划、秋季盖尔布计划和巴巴罗萨行动都认识到了这一点。

    施利芬计划的失败实际上是由于德国国会拒绝在丹吉尔危机之后到阿加迪尔危机之后匹配法国陆军开支的持续增加。愤世嫉俗者当然会指出,由于他的舰队建设计划(从军队中转移资源)和各种失误,德皇威廉二世应对此负责。

    法尔盖尔布和巴巴罗萨确实非常相似——质量优越的德国陆军横扫了他们面前的一切。东部有麻烦,他们必须继续……扫荡。直到他们耗尽补给线和储备。

    苏联在冷战期间也有或多或少相同的学说。华沙条约组织的军队之所以持续比反对他们的北约军队规模更大,是因为他们意识到北约拥有优越的资源。假设的第三次世界大战持续的时间越长,苏联失败的可能性就越大。

    因此这个计划:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_to_the_River_Rhine

    YouTube 上的 Binkov's Battlegrounds 制作了一个有趣的三部分系列,模拟了 3 年假想的第三次世界大战:

    这是涵盖地面战争的第三个视频:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kONMKmWQyE8

    空战和海战有单独的视频。

    如今,俄罗斯处于相对弱势的地位,反而以核战争相威胁,甚至懒得在和平时期维持常规优势。

    马尔蒂亚诺夫海军上将关于俄罗斯导弹优势的看法可能是正确的,但这些导弹在与北约的激烈冲突中很快就会耗尽。

    回复:@Thorfinnsson、@reiner Tor、@AP

    华沙条约组织的计划不太现实。我看到一些有关匈牙利人民军计划的讨论,很明显我们的军队无法胜任这项任务。我知道匈牙利因在军备竞赛中偷懒而受到严厉批评,幸运的是我们的对手意大利人也做了同样的事情,所以理论上还有一些机会,但可能性不大,因为我们必须先打通奥地利,然后在一周内达到意大利北部的某个战略目标。此后,匈牙利军队将被耗尽并被苏联军队取代。

    这表明卫星部队的主要任务是让敌人流血,同时避免苏联伤亡。本质上他们是要被牺牲的。但他们的战斗力如何呢?我想没有任何热情。

  167. @Polish Perspective
    在所有地方的 /pol/ 上找到了这个。这本身就意味着必须非常谨慎地对待它,但尽管如此,地图仍然很有趣。有人看到任何异常的东西吗?

    https://i.imgur.com/7FuFW55.png

    快速浏览之后,巴黎对我来说显得低得可笑。尽管正如一些人在 /pol/ 线程中所写的那样,它可能包括所有的 banelieus。

    回复:@ songbird,@ for-the-record

    没有什么明显不诚实的地方,但我认为南美与美国可能有不同的标准。美国是非西班牙裔白人,而我可能是错的,我相当怀疑布宜诺斯艾利斯的人口大约有70%是纯欧元。大概 70% 的人都相当白,但是纯洁吗?我对此表示怀疑。

    到 97 世纪 1950 年代,波士顿 89% 是白人。那些说美国一度有 95% 是白人的人基本上是错误的。到了 97 年代和 40 年代,像波士顿这样的大多数重要城市的白人比例为 50-XNUMX%,这仅意味着整个北方的白人比例要高得多。当您走进波士顿公共图书馆并看到壁画与图书馆里的人们时,您真的会感到震惊。

    • 回复: @Polish Perspective
    @鸣禽


    我认为南美与美国可能有不同的标准。美国是非西班牙裔白人,而我可能是错的,我相当怀疑布宜诺斯艾利斯的人口大约有70%是纯欧元。大概 70% 的人都相当白,但是纯洁吗?我对此表示怀疑。
     
    是的,这听起来似乎有道理。正如史蒂夫·塞勒在他最近关于巴西平权行动的文章中反复指出的那样,拉丁美洲不存在“一滴规则”。人们开玩笑说 Amerimutt,但实际上,美国的大多数白人 白色,我们谈论的是平均 98% 或更多。

    话又说回来,大多数阿根廷人口都是南欧后裔,而历史上大多数美国白人来自北欧和后来的东欧,只有意大利人和少量希腊人混杂其中。仅波兰裔美国人就超过10万。这意味着在阿根廷或拉美其他国家很难判断一个人有多“白人”,因为定居在那里的白人一开始就很黑。

    北欧表型从未像早期在美国那样占据主导地位。


    那些说美国一度有 89% 是白人的人基本上是错误的。
     
    嗯...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States#Historical_data_for_all_races_and_for_Hispanic_origin_(1610–2010)

    根据美国人口普查数据,80 多岁的白人人数最多。你关于波士顿的说法可能没有错。美国在其历史的大部分时间里都处于极度种族隔离的状态。如果你住在新英格兰,你可能生活在一个非白人人口占 12% 的国家,但几乎看不到非白人。直到30世纪40年代和XNUMX年代所谓的“大迁徙”,这种情况才开始改变。

    有趣的是,资本家需要廉价劳动力。在北方实业家进口墨西哥人之前,他们从南方进口黑人。当然,这一历史事实不会让崇拜资本主义的共和党人接受。

    另外,请记住,88% 的白人比例包括 2-3% 的犹太人,甚至当时还包括一些阿拉伯人和其他未计算在内的人,尽管我们最多谈论不超过 10-20 个基点。

    1965 年后,即使有大量非欧洲移民,美国也没有更快地实现非白人化,原因是生育率高得离谱。我的意思是,即使在 1960 世纪 3 年代,每个女性的 TFR 也达到了 3.5 到 1990,这太疯狂了。直到最近,该数字在结构上仍高于(北欧)欧洲。这使得这个过程可以拖得更久。否则你可能在 XNUMX 世纪 XNUMX 年代就已经达到目前的阶段了。


    当您走进波士顿公共图书馆并看到壁画与图书馆里的人们时,您真的会感到震惊。
     
    我终究是一个没有感情的人。如果一个民族集体决定他们不想存在,那么他们就不会存在。这包括面对缓慢的消灭时保持被动。生活不会奖励温顺或消极的人。我知道这听起来很刺耳,但我确实对那些一直反对这种流离失所的少数人表示同情。但在某种程度上,我觉得人们需要重新审视他们自己实际上有多少斗争,有多少花在抱怨却什么也没做。

    无论美国之后发生什么——我将不再将其视为同一个国家——都将比历史上的情况更糟糕。但如果美国的原始居民和建设者不想保护他们的创造物,那么实际的损失是什么?只有强者和智者才能生存。

  168. @German_reader
    @reiner托尔


    他不是一个愿意为自己的理想而死的人,而且他的理想本来就不值得为他而死。
     
    “一个人不愿意为自己的理想而死”是什么意思?普京不可能与某个美国冠军进行单打独斗,他对整个俄罗斯社会负有责任,俄罗斯社会将在与美国人的全面战争中遭受可怕的痛苦,所以我认为一定的克制值得称赞。
    哪些理想值得为之献身?
    在我看来,这里对普京的攻击有点多。我不是这个人的粉丝,但我认为他有一些积极的品质,他必须做出的决定非常困难。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    在博弈论中,在很多情况下,愿意为最小的轻视而死,同时最初对所有人都有礼貌是一个非常好的策略。在这种情况下,不愿意打架会导致耻辱,并且更有可能被杀。

    基本上,没有警察和法院系统来保护你——就像在国际关系中一样。

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @reiner托尔


    在这种情况下不愿意打架
     
    我不明白普京的情况到底如何,毕竟俄罗斯人确实威胁要对美国对叙利亚的大规模袭击做出激烈反应……大概这就是此类袭击没有发生的主要原因。我不清楚是否有更好的行动方案。

    回复:@reiner Tor

  169. @reiner Tor
    @German_reader

    在博弈论中,在很多情况下,愿意为最小的轻视而死,同时最初对所有人都有礼貌是一个非常好的策略。在这种情况下,不愿意打架会导致耻辱,并且更有可能被杀。

    基本上,没有警察和法院系统来保护你——就像在国际关系中一样。

    回复:@German_reader

    在这种情况下不愿意打架

    我不明白普京的情况到底如何,毕竟俄罗斯人确实威胁要对美国对叙利亚的大规模袭击做出激烈反应……大概这就是这种袭击没有发生的主要原因。我不清楚是否有更好的行动方案。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @German_reader

    好吧,如果你愿意就叙利亚发动一场核战争(尽管是以半心半意的方式——我保证世界将在半心半意的核战争中被毁灭,就像以狂热方式发动的核战争一样彻底),为什么不呢?让威胁完全可信?你可以与叙利亚签署共同防御条约,对抗美国的侵略。 (美国,因为就像 1939 年英国与苏联一样,俄罗斯可能希望避免与以色列发生不必要的战争。)

    当出现危机的时候,把你们该死的核力量置于最高警戒级别,并充分宣传。重要的是,美国和欧洲公众(如评论者马特拉)和最令人讨厌的战争贩子(如约翰·博尔顿)得到这样的信息:这是一场核战争局势,正如您显然所认为的那样。

    通过明确地做出承诺,您实际上会降低未来遭受美国袭击的风险。一个推论是,如果普京真的愿意发动核战争(但他愿意在其他方面保持理性,而不是咄咄逼人——就像他那样),那么爆发此类战争的可能性实际上会下降。冷战期间,没有任何一个掌权者会产生在 1956 年与美军一起帮助匈牙利革命的愚蠢想法。在叙利亚问题上也应该采取同样的心态。

    哦,不要指望局势缓和。无论如何,它不会很快到来。你可能会毁掉一些桥梁。针对美国的域外制裁摧毁了俄罗斯一家大公司,我们做出了强有力的回应,比如立即向伊朗出售 S-400 系统,甚至免费提供。

    让美国人担心,如果他们继续逼迫你,你就会做出真正疯狂的事情。他们当然担心如果被推倒苏联会做出疯狂的反应。事实上,朝鲜几十年来就是这么做的,但他们总是很弱。它显然有局限性。但俄罗斯要强大得多。此外,俄罗斯并不寻求破坏地区平衡,它只是寻求保护其仅存的势力范围。

    回复:@ German_reader,@ utu

  170. @reiner Tor
    @托尔芬森


    第二次世界大战有点有趣,因为德国在斯大林格勒之后试图在经济上与敌人抗衡。
     
    你读过图兹、奥弗里或埃文斯的书吗?

    显然,新的共识是,德国人早在 1940 年就已经将几乎所有可用资源投入到战争生产中,但他们并没有以有效的方式做到这一点,因为德国军方不断要求武器的多种变型、手工质量和持续的生产能力。改进,并扼杀了大规模生产。

    另一个问题是投资,他们不断建造重要的军事设施(包括合成橡胶和合成燃料的化工厂),这在战争第一阶段将资源从战争生产中转移出来。

    第三个问题(与前一个相关)是,他们将做好充分的战争准备,所有能力都已上线,主要武器系统已开发并投入使用。战争的早期爆发阻止了这一点,战争使德国没有全套武器。 (直到 1942 年底才出现重型坦克,没有重型轰炸机或运输机,没有完全机动化的军队,但无论如何没有合成燃料厂为其提供燃料,没有足够的钢铁产能,还有很多其他瓶颈等等)

    他们在法国有很多运气,这使他们能够在没有装备齐全的军队和功能齐全的军事工业的情况下走得尽可能远。但他们浪费了恢复战时经济的机会,直到为时已晚才完全开始大规模生产。无论如何,在几年内征服一个庞大的种族帝国的整个想法是一个不太可能的事情。

    回复:@Thorfinnsson,@DFH

    我读过图兹的书,他很优秀。我确实同意德国对增加产量的关注早于阿尔伯特·施佩尔的任命,施佩尔慷慨地决定将“军备奇迹”归功于自己,同时谴责他曾经英雄崇拜的旧老板。

    也就是说,“新共识”过于修正主义。一些例子:

    *事实上,英国的飞机制造在不列颠之战期间实际上超过了德国
    *这位 H 人决心将德国平民的生活水平保持在第一次世界大战的水平之上,这种决心一直持续到 1943 年,当时他将国内事务交给戈培尔、鲍曼和拉默斯
    *直到 1943 年才能够正确整合被征服领土和盟国的工业人才,特别是工程人才(例如,参见德国空军 5 年对优秀的意大利系列 1943 战斗机的评价)
    *决定基本上谋杀巴巴罗萨战俘而不是奴役他们
    *一个荒谬的决定 减少 巴巴罗萨之前的贝壳生产(?!)
    *1940 年中期下令暂停武器计划的开发,该计划需要超过 XNUMX 个月才能完成
    *在一个特别尴尬的例子中,赫尔曼·戈林在决定关闭所有不必要的业务时阻止了他最喜欢的柏林餐厅的关闭

    然而,我要说的是,一个不会消失的大神话是德国人在战争期间没有动员女性加入劳动力队伍的想法。

    还应该指出的是,在某些方面,德国人比盟国和苏联人采用了更多的标准化。例如,德国空军部严格限制特定飞机类别的型号数量和生产的发动机设计数量。人们通常会提到生产限制,尤其是发动机方面的限制,但直到 1942 年,德国实际上拥有比美国更多的机床和机械师(但公平地说,几乎所有其他类型的生产能力都比德国少)。

    陆军标准化程度较低的部分原因是德国没有充分重新武装或做好战争准备。结果,战利品被迫投入使用,而劣质设计则留在生产中。例如,海因茨·古德里安 (Heinz Guderian) 亲自保留了劣质 PzKw IV 的生产(与神话相反,它实际上并不比黑豹更可靠,而且只贵 10%)。

    其他问题是教义问题。例如,重型坦克是苏联和法国(以及英国在某种程度上的“步兵坦克”)学说的一部分,但不是德国的。德国的装甲战学说是在战争失败的基础上发展起来的。 皇帝施莱克特 1918 年。由于德国陆军卓越的战术素质,德国始终能够在不使用坦克的情况下突破盟军防线。但它无法利用主要运营层面的突破。

    海因茨·古德里安:

    坦克的发动机就像它的火炮一样是一种武器。

    相反,法国的学说源于突破战场防御工事的需要,因此重型坦克被认为很重要。

    我不太清楚为什么苏联在战前生产重型坦克,因为它似乎不符合深度作战原则。也许是斯大林的个人利益,或者仅仅是官僚主义要求的结果。

    德国重型坦克是根据先进(火力和武器装备)苏联和法国坦克的应对战斗经验而开发的,尽管瓦芬纳姆特早在 30 年就对 1937 吨坦克感兴趣。

    重型轰炸机也是类似的情况。瓦尔特·韦弗的去世和秃鹰行动的经历导致美国放弃战略轰炸,直到美国参战。事实上,德国四引擎重型轰炸机于 1935 年首次试飞,与 B-17 同年,并且远远早于任何英国重型轰炸机。

    重型运输机是另一个理论决定。 1938年之前,德国准备作战的对手是法国、波兰和捷克斯洛伐克。还应该指出的是,盟军和苏联在 1930 世纪 54 年代都没有开发出任何数量的重型运输机。 C-1942 直到 24 年才问世,而将 B-307 和波音 XNUMX 改装为军用运输机等工作也直到那一年才开始实施。

    鉴于战前德国汽车行业规模不足,德国军队的全面机动化可能始终是一个不切实际的目标。拥有更发达(生产能力)汽车行业的苏联,尽管也收到了租借卡车,但在战前或战争期间也未能完全实现机动化。直到 1950 世纪 XNUMX 年代末,德国才真正拥有了庞大的汽车行业。

    一支完全机动化的德国军队将更加依赖石油进口。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @托尔芬森


    完全机动化的德国军队将更加依赖石油进口。
     
    我认为有计划将合成燃料生产能力提高到比 1942 年实际达到的水平高出几乎一个数量级......

    是的,完全机动化是不现实的,但他们计划将机动化和装甲师的数量增加到实际数量的三倍。

    H 人决心将德国平民的生活水平保持在第一次世界大战的水平以上
     
    他们在第一次世界大战中挨饿,我认为这不是一个糟糕的决定。饥饿人口导致 GDP 下降(我认为到 1 年为-30%),从而使其他一切变得更加困难。

    在巴巴罗萨之前减少贝壳产量的荒谬决定(?!)
     
    不,我想是在夏天拍摄的,当时人们认为德国队无论如何都会在几周内获胜。希特勒本人可能从未听说过这个决定,因为他当时已经变得不确定了。

    我认为他最大的失败是把所有的时间都花在盯着地图上,而不是处理大战略和战争经济。斯大林实际上在这两件事上都花了很多时间。是的,他也经常盯着地图,但他也处理他真正的工作。

    回复:@Thorfinnsson

  171. @for-the-record
    @托尔芬森

    拿破仑和国防军的相对表现逐渐恶化,而他们的敌人则逐渐变得更好(并积累了优势资源)。

    还有二战中的日本人,他们在早期占据主导地位。

    回复:@Thorfinnsson、@random rand

    日本人早期的统治并没有多大意义,因为他们做得很好只是因为他们周围的其他人都是彻头彻尾的废人。事实上,日本自己也知道这一点,因为他们从未想过自己能够击败苏联或美国。即使在早期,他们也成功入侵并输给了苏联。鉴于其绝对的军事优势,他们在入侵中国时也表现得很惨。日本应该做的就是保住满洲,就这样吧,而不是愚蠢地从四面八方入侵。

    • 回复: @Thorfinnsson
    @随机兰德

    与美国、英国和荷兰海军相比,日本海军在太平洋战争初期的表现相当引人注目。例如,威尔士亲王号的沉没是战争期间仅由其他飞机击沉正在航行的战列舰的极少数事件之一,而且是用少量飞机完成的,而不是大和号被 400 架战机攻击。珍珠港袭击虽然受到英国袭击塔兰托的启发,但却是一次更令人印象深刻的行动。

    例如,您还可以看到日本海军在没有雷达的情况下进行夜间作战的惊人熟练程度。

    日本海军执行的 更好 比已经参战两年多的英国皇家海军给人留下了深刻的印象。

    虽然日本在技术上很大程度上处于劣势,但它在战前确实开发了一些令人印象深刻的技术,从而获得了优势。最著名的是长枪鱼雷,还有卓越的光学测距仪和用于飞机生产的轻质铝锌合金。

    另一方面,日本陆军并不令人印象深刻,但日本人自己也知道这一点,这就是为什么他们选择了南袭战略。

    强烈推荐Combined Fleet网站了解详情:http://combinedfleet.com/kaigun.htm

  172. @German_reader
    @reiner托尔


    在这种情况下不愿意打架
     
    我不明白普京的情况到底如何,毕竟俄罗斯人确实威胁要对美国对叙利亚的大规模袭击做出激烈反应……大概这就是此类袭击没有发生的主要原因。我不清楚是否有更好的行动方案。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    好吧,如果你愿意就叙利亚发动一场核战争(尽管是以半心半意的方式——我保证世界将在半心半意的核战争中被毁灭,就像以狂热方式发动的核战争一样彻底),为什么不呢?让威胁完全可信?你可以与叙利亚签署共同防御条约,对抗美国的侵略。 (美国,因为就像 1939 年英国与苏联一样,俄罗斯可能希望避免与以色列发生不必要的战争。)

    当出现危机的时候,把你们该死的核力量置于最高警戒级别,并充分宣传。重要的是,美国和欧洲公众(如评论者马特拉)和最令人讨厌的战争贩子(如约翰·博尔顿)得到这样的信息:这是一场核战争局势,正如您显然所认为的那样。

    通过明确地做出承诺,您实际上会降低未来遭受美国袭击的风险。一个推论是,如果普京真的愿意发动核战争(但他愿意在其他方面保持理性,而不是咄咄逼人——就像他那样),那么爆发此类战争的可能性实际上会下降。冷战期间,没有任何一个掌权者会产生在 1956 年与美军一起帮助匈牙利革命的愚蠢想法。在叙利亚问题上也应该采取同样的心态。

    哦,不要指望局势缓和。无论如何,它不会很快到来。你可能会毁掉一些桥梁。针对美国的域外制裁摧毁了俄罗斯一家大公司,我们做出了强有力的回应,比如立即向伊朗出售 S-400 系统,甚至免费提供。

    让美国人担心,如果他们继续逼迫你,你就会做出真正疯狂的事情。他们当然担心如果被推倒苏联会做出疯狂的反应。事实上,朝鲜几十年来就是这么做的,但他们总是很弱。它显然有局限性。但俄罗斯要强大得多。此外,俄罗斯并不寻求破坏地区平衡,它只是寻求保护其仅存的势力范围。

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @reiner托尔

    是的,这是有道理的,谢谢你写下来。不过,这样的策略也风险很大,而且很难调整。正如您自己所写的那样,根本问题当然是美国精英似乎越来越疯狂,并且不受理性计算的驱动。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    , @utu
    @reiner托尔


    当出现危机的时候,把你们该死的核力量置于最高警戒级别,并充分宣传。重要的是,美国和欧洲公众(如评论者马特拉)和最令人讨厌的战争贩子(如约翰·博尔顿)得到这样的信息:这是一场核战争局势,正如您显然所认为的那样。

    通过明确地做出承诺,您实际上会降低未来遭受美国袭击的风险。
     
    我得出这个结论,然后我想到了以色列,以及为什么俄罗斯对此如此胆怯。如果俄罗斯想展示实力并重申自己的立场,就必须首先把以色列放在自己的位置上。如果以色列得到这个信息,美国可能会退缩。只要我们看到以色列飞机和导弹飞越叙利亚上空,我们就知道普京还没有准备好进行严重对抗。

    回复:@reiner Tor,@ for-the-record

  173. @random rand
    @作为记录

    日本人早期的统治并没有多大意义,因为他们做得很好只是因为他们周围的其他人都是彻头彻尾的废人。事实上,日本自己也知道这一点,因为他们从未想过自己能够击败苏联或美国。即使在早期,他们也成功入侵并输给了苏联。鉴于其绝对的军事优势,他们在入侵中国时也表现得很惨。日本应该做的就是保住满洲,就这样吧,而不是愚蠢地从四面八方入侵。

    回复:@Thorfinnsson

    与美国、英国和荷兰海军相比,日本海军在太平洋战争初期的表现相当引人注目。例如,威尔士亲王号的沉没是战争期间仅由其他飞机击沉正在航行的战列舰的极少数事件之一,而且是用少量飞机完成的,而不是大和号被 400 架战机攻击。珍珠港袭击虽然受到英国袭击塔兰托的启发,但却是一次更令人印象深刻的行动。

    例如,您还可以看到日本海军在没有雷达的情况下进行夜间作战的惊人熟练程度。

    日本海军执行的 更好 比已经参战两年多的英国皇家海军给人留下了深刻的印象。

    虽然日本在技术上很大程度上处于劣势,但它在战前确实开发了一些令人印象深刻的技术,从而获得了优势。最著名的是长枪鱼雷,还有卓越的光学测距仪和用于飞机生产的轻质铝锌合金。

    另一方面,日本陆军并不令人印象深刻,但日本人自己也知道这一点,这就是为什么他们选择了南袭战略。

    强烈推荐Combined Fleet网站了解详情: http://combinedfleet.com/kaigun.htm

  174. @reiner Tor
    @German_reader

    好吧,如果你愿意就叙利亚发动一场核战争(尽管是以半心半意的方式——我保证世界将在半心半意的核战争中被毁灭,就像以狂热方式发动的核战争一样彻底),为什么不呢?让威胁完全可信?你可以与叙利亚签署共同防御条约,对抗美国的侵略。 (美国,因为就像 1939 年英国与苏联一样,俄罗斯可能希望避免与以色列发生不必要的战争。)

    当出现危机的时候,把你们该死的核力量置于最高警戒级别,并充分宣传。重要的是,美国和欧洲公众(如评论者马特拉)和最令人讨厌的战争贩子(如约翰·博尔顿)得到这样的信息:这是一场核战争局势,正如您显然所认为的那样。

    通过明确地做出承诺,您实际上会降低未来遭受美国袭击的风险。一个推论是,如果普京真的愿意发动核战争(但他愿意在其他方面保持理性,而不是咄咄逼人——就像他那样),那么爆发此类战争的可能性实际上会下降。冷战期间,没有任何一个掌权者会产生在 1956 年与美军一起帮助匈牙利革命的愚蠢想法。在叙利亚问题上也应该采取同样的心态。

    哦,不要指望局势缓和。无论如何,它不会很快到来。你可能会毁掉一些桥梁。针对美国的域外制裁摧毁了俄罗斯一家大公司,我们做出了强有力的回应,比如立即向伊朗出售 S-400 系统,甚至免费提供。

    让美国人担心,如果他们继续逼迫你,你就会做出真正疯狂的事情。他们当然担心如果被推倒苏联会做出疯狂的反应。事实上,朝鲜几十年来就是这么做的,但他们总是很弱。它显然有局限性。但俄罗斯要强大得多。此外,俄罗斯并不寻求破坏地区平衡,它只是寻求保护其仅存的势力范围。

    回复:@ German_reader,@ utu

    是的,这是有道理的,谢谢你写下来。不过,这样的策略也风险很大,而且很难调整。正如您自己所写的那样,根本问题当然是美国精英似乎越来越疯狂,并且不受理性计算的驱动。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @German_reader

    普京基本上是一个容易被轻易屈服的策略,但并非总是如此,这也很难校准。事实上,校准可能更困难,因为经常让自己被推倒,他会产生下一次也会让自己被推倒的期望。

    从本质上讲,通过一次又一次地让自己被推着,他创造了一种期望,即他会再次“吃菠菜”。这很容易导致他被推到实在退无可退的境地(我想克里米亚就是这样),然后他的反应就会完全出乎意料。例如,在杜马危机(或无论它被称为什么)期间,美国总统很快就把自己逼到了一个角落,他必须做点什么。显然是因为他确信普京会再次屈服。现在当然找到了解决办法,但是这种情况发生的次数越多,发生事故的可能性就越大。

    另外,我不确定美国人是否真的放弃了。他们承诺将进行比去年更大的报复,而且可以肯定的是,根据俄罗斯人的说法,他们确实攻击了大量的军事目标。在叙利亚人(俄罗斯人?)击落了大部分导弹(除了针对无价值目标的导弹)后,他们不敢升级,但他们的攻击无效并不意味着他们没有发动。他们不敢再进一步,他们提前警告了俄罗斯人,等等,但他们并没有完全屈服——最终他们确实发起了攻击。普京没有进行报复。

    战争贩子的期望是,普京下次会发出很多事情来威胁,但他实际上不会采取任何行动。不用说,这是一个非常危险的情况。除非你愿意坚持到底,否则你根本不应该威胁,而事实上,人们认为他没有坚持到底,这是极其危险的。

    简而言之,我认为如果普京真的决心用牙齿和钉子(和核武器)进行战斗,我们实际上爆发核战争的可能性会更低。

  175. @Thorfinnsson
    @reiner托尔

    我读过图兹的书,他很优秀。我确实同意德国对增加产量的关注早于阿尔伯特·施佩尔的任命,施佩尔慷慨地决定将“军备奇迹”归功于自己,同时谴责他曾经英雄崇拜的旧老板。

    也就是说,“新共识”过于修正主义。一些例子:

    *事实上,英国的飞机制造在不列颠之战期间实际上超过了德国
    *这位 H 人决心将德国平民的生活水平保持在第一次世界大战的水平之上,这种决心一直持续到 1943 年,当时他将国内事务交给了戈培尔、鲍曼和拉默斯
    *直到 1943 年才能够正确整合被征服领土和盟国的工业人才,特别是工程人才(例如,参见德国空军 5 年对优秀的意大利系列 1943 战斗机的评价)
    *决定基本上谋杀巴巴罗萨战俘而不是奴役他们
    *一个荒谬的决定 减少 巴巴罗萨之前的贝壳生产(?!)
    *1940 年中期下令暂停武器计划的开发,该计划需要超过 XNUMX 个月才能完成
    *在一个特别尴尬的例子中,赫尔曼·戈林在决定关闭所有不必要的业务时阻止了他最喜欢的柏林餐厅的关闭

    然而,我要说的是,一个不会消失的大神话是德国人在战争期间没有动员女性加入劳动力队伍的想法。

    还应该指出的是,在某些方面,德国人比盟国和苏联人采用了更多的标准化。例如,德国空军部严格限制特定飞机类别的型号数量和生产的发动机设计数量。人们通常会提到生产限制,尤其是发动机方面的限制,但直到 1942 年,德国实际上拥有比美国更多的机床和机械师(但公平地说,几乎所有其他类型的生产能力都比德国少)。

    陆军标准化程度较低的部分原因是德国没有充分重新武装或做好战争准备。结果,战利品被迫投入使用,而劣质设计则留在生产中。例如,海因茨·古德里安 (Heinz Guderian) 亲自保留了劣质 PzKw IV 的生产(与神话相反,它实际上并不比黑豹更可靠,而且只贵 10%)。

    其他问题是教义问题。例如,重型坦克是苏联和法国(以及英国在某种程度上的“步兵坦克”)学说的一部分,但不是德国的。德国的装甲战学说是在战争失败的基础上发展起来的。 皇帝施莱克特 1918 年。由于德国陆军卓越的战术素质,德国始终能够在不使用坦克的情况下突破盟军防线。但它无法利用主要运营层面的突破。

    海因茨·古德里安:



    坦克的发动机就像它的火炮一样是一种武器。
     
    相反,法国的学说源于突破战场防御工事的需要,因此重型坦克被认为很重要。

    我不太清楚为什么苏联在战前生产重型坦克,因为它似乎不符合深度作战原则。也许是斯大林的个人利益,或者仅仅是官僚主义要求的结果。

    德国重型坦克是根据先进(火力和武器装备)苏联和法国坦克的应对战斗经验而开发的,尽管瓦芬纳姆特早在 30 年就对 1937 吨坦克感兴趣。

    重型轰炸机也是类似的情况。瓦尔特·韦弗的去世和秃鹰行动的经历导致美国放弃战略轰炸,直到美国参战。事实上,德国四引擎重型轰炸机于 1935 年首次试飞,与 B-17 同年,而且远远早于任何英国重型轰炸机。

    重型运输机是另一个理论决定。 1938年之前,德国准备作战的对手是法国、波兰和捷克斯洛伐克。还应该指出的是,盟军和苏联在 1930 世纪 54 年代都没有开发出任何数量的重型运输机。 C-1942 直到 24 年才问世,而将 B-307 和波音 XNUMX 改装为军用运输机等工作也直到那一年才开始实施。

    鉴于战前德国汽车行业规模不足,德国军队的全面机动化可能始终是一个不切实际的目标。拥有更发达(生产能力)汽车行业的苏联,尽管也收到了租借卡车,但在战前或战争期间也未能完全实现机动化。直到 1950 世纪 XNUMX 年代末,德国才真正拥有了庞大的汽车行业。

    一支完全机动化的德国军队将更加依赖石油进口。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    完全机动化的德国军队将更加依赖石油进口。

    我认为有计划将合成燃料产能提高到比 1942 年实际达到的水平高出几乎一个数量级……

    是的,完全机动化是不现实的,但他们计划将机动化和装甲师的数量增加到实际数量的三倍。

    H 人决心将德国平民的生活水平保持在第一次世界大战的水平以上

    他们在第一次世界大战中挨饿,我认为这不是一个糟糕的决定。饥饿人口导致 GDP 下降(我认为到 1 年为-30%),从而使其他一切变得更加困难。

    在巴巴罗萨之前减少贝壳产量的荒谬决定(?!)

    不,我想是在夏天拍摄的,当时人们认为德国队无论如何都会在几周内获胜。希特勒本人可能从未听说过这个决定,因为他当时已经变得不确定了。

    我认为他最大的失败是把所有的时间都花在盯着地图上,而不是处理大战略和战争经济。斯大林实际上在这两件事上都花了很多时间。是的,他也经常盯着地图,但他也处理他真正的工作。

    • 回复: @Thorfinnsson
    @reiner托尔



    他们在第一次世界大战中挨饿,我认为这不是一个糟糕的决定。饥饿人口导致 GDP 下降(我认为到 1 年为-30%),从而使其他一切变得更加困难。
     
    在第一次世界大战中,德国在这个问题上别无选择,而在第二次世界大战中,由于德国的征服和愿意挨饿或杀死本来需要食物的人,粮食供应不是问题。

    事实上,仅 Miele 在 22,000 年“仅”生产了 1940 台洗衣机,这一事实就是这个问题的一个很好的例子。

    回复:@reiner Tor

  176. @reiner Tor
    @托尔芬森


    完全机动化的德国军队将更加依赖石油进口。
     
    我认为有计划将合成燃料生产能力提高到比 1942 年实际达到的水平高出几乎一个数量级......

    是的,完全机动化是不现实的,但他们计划将机动化和装甲师的数量增加到实际数量的三倍。

    H 人决心将德国平民的生活水平保持在第一次世界大战的水平以上
     
    他们在第一次世界大战中挨饿,我认为这不是一个糟糕的决定。饥饿人口导致 GDP 下降(我认为到 1 年为-30%),从而使其他一切变得更加困难。

    在巴巴罗萨之前减少贝壳产量的荒谬决定(?!)
     
    不,我想是在夏天拍摄的,当时人们认为德国队无论如何都会在几周内获胜。希特勒本人可能从未听说过这个决定,因为他当时已经变得不确定了。

    我认为他最大的失败是把所有的时间都花在盯着地图上,而不是处理大战略和战争经济。斯大林实际上在这两件事上都花了很多时间。是的,他也经常盯着地图,但他也处理他真正的工作。

    回复:@Thorfinnsson

    他们在第一次世界大战中挨饿,我认为这不是一个糟糕的决定。饥饿人口导致 GDP 下降(我认为到 1 年为-30%),从而使其他一切变得更加困难。

    在第一次世界大战中,德国在这个问题上别无选择,而在第二次世界大战中,由于德国的征服和愿意挨饿或杀死本来需要食物的人,粮食供应不是问题。

    事实上,仅 Miele 在 22,000 年“仅”生产了 1940 台洗衣机,这一事实就是这个问题的一个很好的例子。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @托尔芬森

    生产任何洗衣机或冰箱等都是愚蠢的,尽管我认为共识是它只占产量的几个百分点。 (仍然。)

    无论如何,你提出了很好的观点。显然他们可以做得更好。

    回复:@Thorfinnsson

  177. @Thorfinnsson
    @亚伦B

    格鲁布帕夏的文章非常好,但还有更简单、更平庸的解释。

    1 - 回归均值
    2 - 帝国的成功会导致其他人加强他们的游戏并结成联盟来对抗你

    以拿破仑战争或第二次世界大战为例。拿破仑和国防军的相对表现逐渐恶化,而他们的敌人则逐渐变得更好(并积累了优势资源)。

    今天,我们可以从美国愚蠢政策创建的新的俄中联盟中看到这一点。这就引出了第三点。正如希腊人所说,狂妄自大会滋生报应。

    或者摘自我们宏伟的《钦定版圣经》箴言 16:18:


    骄傲在毁灭之前出现,傲慢的精神在跌倒之前出现。
     

    回复:@for-the-record,@DFH

    另一个因素是,最初的成功给了你采取愚蠢和妄想的态度和政策的空间,而这些态度和政策后来无法及时改变,正如今天的大英帝国和美国所观察到的那样。

  178. @reiner Tor
    @托尔芬森


    第二次世界大战有点有趣,因为德国在斯大林格勒之后试图在经济上与敌人抗衡。
     
    你读过图兹、奥弗里或埃文斯的书吗?

    显然,新的共识是,德国人早在 1940 年就已经将几乎所有可用资源投入到战争生产中,但他们并没有以有效的方式做到这一点,因为德国军方不断要求武器的多种变型、手工质量和持续的生产能力。改进,并扼杀了大规模生产。

    另一个问题是投资,他们不断建造重要的军事设施(包括合成橡胶和合成燃料的化工厂),这在战争第一阶段将资源从战争生产中转移出来。

    第三个问题(与前一个相关)是,他们将做好充分的战争准备,所有能力都已上线,主要武器系统已开发并投入使用。战争的早期爆发阻止了这一点,战争使德国没有全套武器。 (直到 1942 年底才出现重型坦克,没有重型轰炸机或运输机,没有完全机动化的军队,但无论如何没有合成燃料厂为其提供燃料,没有足够的钢铁产能,还有很多其他瓶颈等等)

    他们在法国有很多运气,这使他们能够在没有装备齐全的军队和功能齐全的军事工业的情况下走得尽可能远。但他们浪费了恢复战时经济的机会,直到为时已晚才完全开始大规模生产。无论如何,在几年内征服一个庞大的种族帝国的整个想法是一个不太可能的事情。

    回复:@Thorfinnsson,@DFH

    显然,新的共识是,德国人早在 1940 年就已经将几乎所有可用资源投入到战争生产中,但他们并没有以有效的方式做到这一点,因为德国军方不断要求武器的多种变型、手工质量和持续的生产能力。改进,并扼杀了大规模生产。

    它仍然比英国的同等工业要好得多。 1 年,尽管发生了轰炸,德国飞机工厂的生产率仍比英国同行高出约 4/1944。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @东方红

    我想那不是在 1940 年,当时英国生产的飞机比德国还多。

    到了 1944 年,这一切都不再重要了,而且英国只占盟军战争生产的一小部分。

    回复:@DFH

  179. @German_reader
    @reiner托尔

    是的,这是有道理的,谢谢你写下来。不过,这样的策略也风险很大,而且很难调整。正如您自己所写的那样,根本问题当然是美国精英似乎越来越疯狂,并且不受理性计算的驱动。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    普京基本上是一个容易被轻易屈服的策略,但并非总是如此,这也很难校准。事实上,校准可能更困难,因为经常让自己被推倒,他会产生下一次也会让自己被推倒的期望。

    从本质上讲,通过一次又一次地让自己被推着,他创造了一种期望,即他会再次“吃菠菜”。这很容易导致他被推到实在退无可退的境地(我想克里米亚就是这样),然后他的反应就会完全出乎意料。例如,在杜马危机(或其他任何名称)期间,美国总统很快就把自己逼到了一个角落,他必须做点什么。显然是因为他确信普京会再次屈服。现在当然找到了解决办法,但是这种情况发生的次数越多,发生事故的可能性就越大。

    另外,我不确定美国人是否真的放弃了。他们承诺将进行比去年更大的报复,而且可以肯定的是,根据俄罗斯人的说法,他们确实攻击了大量的军事目标。在叙利亚人(俄罗斯人?)击落了大部分导弹(除了针对无价值目标的导弹)后,他们不敢升级,但他们的攻击无效并不意味着他们没有发动。他们不敢再进一步,他们提前警告了俄罗斯人,等等,但他们并没有完全屈服——他们最终还是发起了攻击。普京没有进行报复。

    战争贩子的期望是,普京下次会发出很多事情来威胁,但他实际上不会采取任何行动。不用说,这是一个非常危险的情况。除非你愿意坚持到底,否则你根本不应该威胁,而事实上,人们认为他没有坚持到底,这是极其危险的。

    简而言之,我认为如果普京真的决心用牙齿和钉子(和核武器)进行战斗,我们实际上爆发核战争的可能性会更低。

  180. @Thorfinnsson
    @reiner托尔



    他们在第一次世界大战中挨饿,我认为这不是一个糟糕的决定。饥饿人口导致 GDP 下降(我认为到 1 年为-30%),从而使其他一切变得更加困难。
     
    在第一次世界大战中,德国在这个问题上别无选择,而在第二次世界大战中,由于德国的征服和愿意挨饿或杀死本来需要食物的人,粮食供应不是问题。

    事实上,仅 Miele 在 22,000 年“仅”生产了 1940 台洗衣机,这一事实就是这个问题的一个很好的例子。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    生产任何洗衣机或冰箱等都是愚蠢的,尽管我认为共识是它只占产量的几个百分点。 (仍然。)

    无论如何,你提出了很好的观点。显然他们可以做得更好。

    • 回复: @Thorfinnsson
    @reiner托尔

    从背景来看,美国的战争动员战略非常有趣。

    英国实际上比美国动员了更多(事实上更多)的经济。苏联不仅动员了更多的经济力量,而且在战争期间基本停止生产资本货物,贬值的设备被美国进口所取代。

    美国动员较少,从未引入劳工征兵,但最有趣的是,它将战争努力的很大一部分分配给了投资。

    结果经济 尺寸增加了一倍 战争期间,这不仅取决于经济复苏,因为美国到 1929 年恢复了 1939 年的 GDP。

    我相信,美国这次成功的管制主义实验在世界历史上是无与伦比的,历史学家应该更加仔细地研究,德国的“军备奇迹”也应该出于同样的原因进行研究。

  181. @DFH
    @reiner托尔


    显然,新的共识是,德国人早在 1940 年就已经将几乎所有可用资源投入到战争生产中,但他们并没有以有效的方式做到这一点,因为德国军方不断要求武器的多种变型、手工质量和持续的生产能力。改进,并扼杀了大规模生产。
     
    它仍然比英国的同等工业要好得多。 1 年,尽管发生了轰炸,德国飞机工厂的生产率仍比英国同行高出约 4/1944。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    我想那不是在 1940 年,当时英国生产的飞机比德国还多。

    到了 1944 年,这一切都不再重要了,而且英国只占盟军战争生产的一小部分。

    • 回复: @DFH
    @reiner托尔


    我想那不是在 1940 年,当时英国生产的飞机比德国还多。
     
    我相当肯定他们是。根据 Correlli Barnett 的《战争审计》,英国的产量峰值为每天 1.28 磅,而整个战争期间德国的平均产量为 1.5 磅。如果有的话,这低估了德国的优势,因为英国生产的更多产品用于轰炸机,每磅所需的工时更少。
    英国总产量如此之高的原因是英国制造业的巨大比例是针对英国的,这可能也有助于从美国进口如此多的投入。
  182. @reiner Tor
    @German_reader

    好吧,如果你愿意就叙利亚发动一场核战争(尽管是以半心半意的方式——我保证世界将在半心半意的核战争中被毁灭,就像以狂热方式发动的核战争一样彻底),为什么不呢?让威胁完全可信?你可以与叙利亚签署共同防御条约,对抗美国的侵略。 (美国,因为就像 1939 年英国与苏联一样,俄罗斯可能希望避免与以色列发生不必要的战争。)

    当出现危机的时候,把你们该死的核力量置于最高警戒级别,并充分宣传。重要的是,美国和欧洲公众(如评论者马特拉)和最令人讨厌的战争贩子(如约翰·博尔顿)得到这样的信息:这是一场核战争局势,正如您显然所认为的那样。

    通过明确地做出承诺,您实际上会降低未来遭受美国袭击的风险。一个推论是,如果普京真的愿意发动核战争(但他愿意在其他方面保持理性,而不是咄咄逼人——就像他那样),那么爆发此类战争的可能性实际上会下降。冷战期间,没有任何一个掌权者会产生在 1956 年与美军一起帮助匈牙利革命的愚蠢想法。在叙利亚问题上也应该采取同样的心态。

    哦,不要指望局势缓和。无论如何,它不会很快到来。你可能会毁掉一些桥梁。针对美国的域外制裁摧毁了俄罗斯一家大公司,我们做出了强有力的回应,比如立即向伊朗出售 S-400 系统,甚至免费提供。

    让美国人担心,如果他们继续逼迫你,你就会做出真正疯狂的事情。他们当然担心如果被推倒苏联会做出疯狂的反应。事实上,朝鲜几十年来就是这么做的,但他们总是很弱。它显然有局限性。但俄罗斯要强大得多。此外,俄罗斯并不寻求破坏地区平衡,它只是寻求保护其仅存的势力范围。

    回复:@ German_reader,@ utu

    当出现危机的时候,把你们该死的核力量置于最高警戒级别,并充分宣传。重要的是,美国和欧洲公众(如评论者马特拉)和最令人讨厌的战争贩子(如约翰·博尔顿)得到这样的信息:这是一场核战争局势,正如您显然所认为的那样。

    通过明确地做出承诺,您实际上会降低未来遭受美国袭击的风险。

    我得出这个结论,然后我想到了以色列,以及为什么俄罗斯对此如此胆怯。如果俄罗斯想展示实力并重申自己的立场,就必须首先把以色列放在自己的位置上。如果以色列得到这个信息,美国可能会退缩。只要我们看到以色列飞机和导弹飞越叙利亚上空,我们就知道普京还没有准备好进行严重对抗。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @乌图

    普京现在的处境很困难,因为早在普京出现之前,以色列就轰炸了叙利亚而不受惩罚。所以当他进去的时候基本上就是现状。

    另一个问题是,自从他去了那里,他仍然允许以色列轰炸叙利亚(见我之前的观点,我认为很难突然改变这一点),所以现在它是双重的现状。

    让某人停止某种行为(停止轰炸叙利亚)总是比让他不开始某种行为(比如让美国不要养成轰炸叙利亚的习惯)更困难。所以我会让以色列轰炸叙利亚,但不会让美国轰炸。 (也许一年前,我还会向叙利亚提供 S-300,以回应美国的一些新制裁。让美国知道,通过制裁俄罗斯,他们也会让以色列的日子变得更加困难。)

    无论如何,现在普京已经将自己置于这样一个境地:美国偶尔会以微不足道的借口轰炸叙利亚,这几乎已经成为一种习惯。所以下次需要越来越多的对抗才能阻止他们。

    我刚刚的另一个想法是在杜马危机(或无论它被称为什么)期间向爱沙尼亚发送外交照会,询问他们,如果美国入侵叙利亚的俄罗斯军队或俄罗斯盟友叙利亚的军队,爱沙尼亚是否会允许如果俄罗斯和美国之间爆发战争,美国飞机会使用其领空来对付俄罗斯吗?这只是一个礼貌的问题,但可能会让德国政客等人感到脊背发凉,而他们甚至不会被问到。或者公众。这甚至不是威胁:只是一个问题。你不需要坚持到底,因为如果你没有威胁任何事情,你就不需要坚持到底。这只是一个问题。它甚至不会威胁爱沙尼亚进行报复(无论如何这都是隐含的),只是询问他们是否对这种可能性有正式立场。

    回复:@utu,@utu

    , @for-the-record
    @乌图

    只要我们看到以色列飞机和导弹飞越叙利亚上空,我们就知道普京还没有准备好进行严重对抗。

    S-300或许将是对此的一次考验。前几天有新闻报道称,俄罗斯将向叙利亚提供S-300,但仔细一看,他们所说的似乎只是“升级”叙利亚的能力。如果他们最终不坚持S-300,这将是他们退缩的又一个例子。

    回复:@reiner Tor

  183. @reiner Tor
    @托尔芬森

    生产任何洗衣机或冰箱等都是愚蠢的,尽管我认为共识是它只占产量的几个百分点。 (仍然。)

    无论如何,你提出了很好的观点。显然他们可以做得更好。

    回复:@Thorfinnsson

    从背景来看,美国的战争动员战略非常有趣。

    英国实际上比美国动员了更多(事实上更多)的经济。苏联不仅动员了更多的经济力量,而且在战争期间基本停止生产资本货物,贬值的设备被美国进口所取代。

    美国动员较少,从未引入劳工征兵,但最有趣的是,它将战争努力的很大一部分分配给了投资。

    结果经济 尺寸增加了一倍 战争期间,这不仅取决于经济复苏,因为美国到 1929 年恢复了 1939 年的 GDP。

    我相信,美国这次成功的管制主义实验在世界历史上是无与伦比的,历史学家应该更加仔细地研究,德国的“军备奇迹”也应该出于同样的原因进行研究。

  184. 乔迪最近就像一座金矿。这让我有些惊讶。

    斯洛伐克是最大的问号。克罗地亚是理所当然的。据我所知,南斯拉夫是一个非常舒适的地方。与大多数东欧国家,甚至波罗的海国家相比,克罗地亚在2008年的危机中也惨遭失败。希腊是不言自明的。

    法国很有趣。提出的问题是 30 年的视角。大多数人可能不记得这一点——也不记得,因为我当时还没有出生,但我可以查阅统计数据——即30年前的法国即使不比(西德)更富有,也同样富有。它是 领先于英国。

    现在看起来很像2000年代初期的意大利。仍然是一个富裕的国家,但停滞不前。但是,是的,回到斯洛伐克,我想知道是什么激发了他们的怀旧之情。他们的经济表现相当出色,可以说是所有东部欧国家中最好的。对我来说似乎有点神秘。


    我对这张图表感到惊讶,特别是对于波兰。社会科学家所说的“控制点”通常与个人和国家的成功联系在一起。也就是说,如果你永远把自己视为外部环境的不幸受害者,你就会陷入受害者情结,永远不会得到很大的改善。

    从历史上看,北欧新教国家的“控制点”和个人主义的比例很高,在某种程度上,这里也是如此。波兰在这些民意调查中常常表现得很糟糕。因此,这要么是一个异常值,要么是新趋势的一部分。我们领先于爱沙尼亚,几乎与德国持平。甚至远远领先于捷克,更不用说南欧国家了。

    我什至讽刺地同情希腊的反应。他们选出了一位被三驾马车钉死在十字架上的极左翼反紧缩候选人。这是民主在真正重要时毫无用处的最明显例子之一。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @波兰视角

    自 1998 年以来,斯洛伐克的表现相当不错,比匈牙利好得多。但我认为,以前的表现并不好。事实上,由于捷克斯洛伐克的很多共产主义重工业和军备工业都集中在那里,我认为他们在1990世纪XNUMX年代遭到了残酷的打击。

    所以也许这就是解释。我不知道。

    回复:@Polish Perspective

    , @utu
    @波兰视角

    这些愚蠢问题的翻译可能是不确定的。希腊人、波兰人和法国人对“公平”的概念是否相同?

    第一个问题“生活变得更加平等”真是白痴。领先什么?进步不会妨碍平等吗?任何一个人应该如何衡量“更平等”的国家?通过观察较穷或较富裕的邻居,还是通过观看和聆听媒体?

    提出这些调查的白痴是谁?我猜是小贩和骗子。

  185. @utu
    @reiner托尔


    当出现危机的时候,把你们该死的核力量置于最高警戒级别,并充分宣传。重要的是,美国和欧洲公众(如评论者马特拉)和最令人讨厌的战争贩子(如约翰·博尔顿)得到这样的信息:这是一场核战争局势,正如您显然所认为的那样。

    通过明确地做出承诺,您实际上会降低未来遭受美国袭击的风险。
     
    我得出这个结论,然后我想到了以色列,以及为什么俄罗斯对此如此胆怯。如果俄罗斯想展示实力并重申自己的立场,就必须首先把以色列放在自己的位置上。如果以色列得到这个信息,美国可能会退缩。只要我们看到以色列飞机和导弹飞越叙利亚上空,我们就知道普京还没有准备好进行严重对抗。

    回复:@reiner Tor,@ for-the-record

    普京现在的处境很困难,因为早在普京出现之前,以色列就轰炸了叙利亚而不受惩罚。所以当他进去的时候基本上就是现状。

    另一个问题是,自从他去了那里,他仍然允许以色列轰炸叙利亚(见我之前的观点,我认为很难突然改变这一点),所以现在它是双重的现状。

    让某人停止某种行为(停止轰炸叙利亚)总是比让他不开始某种行为(比如让美国不要养成轰炸叙利亚的习惯)更困难。所以我会让以色列轰炸叙利亚,但不会让美国轰炸。 (也许一年前,我还会向叙利亚提供 S-300,以回应美国的一些新制裁。让美国知道,通过制裁俄罗斯,他们也会让以色列的日子变得更加困难。)

    无论如何,现在普京已经将自己置于这样一个境地:美国偶尔会以微不足道的借口轰炸叙利亚,这几乎已经成为一种习惯。所以下次需要越来越多的对抗才能阻止他们。

    我刚刚的另一个想法是在杜马危机(或无论它被称为什么)期间向爱沙尼亚发送外交照会,询问他们,如果美国入侵叙利亚的俄罗斯军队或俄罗斯盟友叙利亚的军队,爱沙尼亚是否会允许如果俄罗斯和美国之间爆发战争,美国飞机会使用其领空来对付俄罗斯吗?这只是一个礼貌的问题,但可能会让德国政客等人感到脊背发凉,而他们甚至不会被问到。或者公众。这甚至不是威胁:只是一个问题。你不需要坚持到底,因为如果你没有威胁任何事情,你就不需要坚持到底。这只是一个问题。它甚至不会威胁爱沙尼亚进行报复(无论如何这都是隐含的),只是询问他们是否对这种可能性有正式立场。

    • 同意: Anatoly Karlin
    • 回复: @utu
    @reiner托尔


    让某人停止某种行为(停止轰炸叙利亚)总是比让他不开始某种行为(比如让美国不要养成轰炸叙利亚的习惯)更困难。 所以我会让以色列轰炸叙利亚 但不是美国。 (也许一年前,我还会向叙利亚提供 S-300,以回应美国的一些新制裁。让美国知道,通过制裁俄罗斯,他们也会让以色列的日子变得更加困难。)
     
    我简直不敢相信。你是另一个迪米特里。卡林也同意这一点。哇。

    你必须杀鸡才能吓到钱,而不是相反。杀死(恐吓)鸡可能不会毁灭世界,而试图杀死金钱则很可能会毁灭世界。

    作为记录,克劳塞维茨-库克塞维茨莱纳·托尔和阿纳托利·卡林刚刚指出:


    我会让以色列轰炸叙利亚
    我会让以色列轰炸叙利亚
    我会让以色列轰炸叙利亚
    我会让以色列轰炸叙利亚

     

    回复:@Greasy William

    , @utu
    @reiner托尔


    我刚刚的另一个想法是在杜马危机(或其他任何名称)期间向爱沙尼亚发送外交照会,询问他们是否......
     
    这很好。一点也不傻。对爱沙尼亚人撒狗屎你可以忍受,但对其他不是伊顿公学的爱沙尼亚人你甚至无法想象。

    回复:@reiner Tor

  186. @Polish Perspective
    乔迪最近就像一座金矿。这让我有些惊讶。

    https://jodi.graphics/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Number-of-_Total-agree_-answers-to-the-question_-Compared-with-30-years-ago-opportunities-for-getting-ahead-in-life-have-become-more-equal-in-your-country_-Eurobarometer-2018-Jo-Di-graphics.png

    斯洛伐克是最大的问号。克罗地亚是理所当然的。据我所知,南斯拉夫是一个非常舒适的地方。与大多数东欧国家,甚至波罗的海国家相比,克罗地亚在2008年的危机中也惨遭失败。希腊是不言自明的。

    法国很有趣。提出的问题是 30 年的视角。大多数人可能不记得这一点 - 也不记得,因为我当时还没有出生,但我可以获得统计数据 - 即法国三十年前与(西德)一样富有,甚至更富有。它是 领先于英国。

    现在看起来很像2000年代初期的意大利。仍然是一个富裕的国家,但停滞不前。但是,是的,回到斯洛伐克,我想知道是什么激发了他们的怀旧之情。他们的经济表现相当出色,可以说是所有东部欧国家中最好的。对我来说似乎有点神秘。


    https://i.imgur.com/iKh7nKC.png

    我对这张图表感到惊讶,特别是对于波兰。社会科学家所说的“控制点”通常与个人和国家的成功联系在一起。也就是说,如果你永远把自己视为外部环境的不幸受害者,你就会陷入受害者情结,永远不会得到很大的改善。

    从历史上看,北欧新教国家的“控制点”和个人主义的比例很高,在某种程度上,这里也是如此。波兰在这些民意调查中常常表现得很糟糕。因此,这要么是一个异常值,要么是新趋势的一部分。我们领先于爱沙尼亚,几乎与德国持平。甚至远远领先于捷克,更不用说南欧国家了。

    我什至讽刺地同情希腊的反应。他们选出了一位被三驾马车钉死在十字架上的极左翼反紧缩候选人。这是民主在真正重要时毫无用处的最明显例子之一。

    回复:@reiner Tor,@ utu

    自 1998 年以来,斯洛伐克的表现相当不错,比匈牙利好得多。但我认为,以前的表现并不好。事实上,由于捷克斯洛伐克的很多共产主义重工业和军备工业都集中在那里,我认为他们在1990世纪XNUMX年代遭到了残酷的打击。

    所以也许这就是解释。我不知道。

    • 回复: @Polish Perspective
    @reiner托尔

    那很有意思。我承认我对斯洛伐克的了解有限——这在波兰是一种常见的刻板印象,因为我们对南方的好邻居普遍无知——但据我了解,他们在 1990 世纪 XNUMX 年代基本上有一个软性的半独裁领导层,在梅恰尔。他们有一个短暂的空位期,这显然主要是为了安抚西方观察家/自由主义者批评明显缺乏真正的民主。

    直到 1990 世纪 1990 年代末,真正的民主化才出现,梅恰尔和他的寡头们(在某种程度上)放弃了控制权。 XNUMX 世纪 XNUMX 年代的独裁阶段恰逢 非常 直到 1990 世纪 1990 年代末才逐步私有化,这意味着增长可能会比较平稳。随后出现了大规模的私有化浪潮。到那时,已经进行了足够的调整,这就是斯洛伐克在XNUMX世纪XNUMX年代表现得很好的原因。

    斯洛伐克在这一时期的大部分时间里失业率也很高。但话又说回来,我们也是如此。

    我认为关键线索可能就在问题本身。它要求:有机会取得成功 更平等?人们可以合理地说,总体生活已经改善了很多 仍然 说不平等问题并没有变得不那么重要。它们不需要相互抵消,而且确实可以共存。这可能更接近事实,因为我经常听说斯洛伐克的经济机会严重局限于布拉迪斯拉维亚地区。斯洛伐克东部地区基本上没有完全缩小经济差距,甚至可能进一步落后。这可能是他们做出令人惊讶的负面反应的原因之一。

    相比之下,华沙对波兰的统治程度几乎没有达到同样的程度。事实上,有些人甚至声称与大多数国家的中位数比例相比,华沙人口稀少。大伦敦地区人口占英国人口的 20%。相比之下,华沙的这一比例仅为 5%。地区不平等仍然存在,但已经有所改善。对于斯洛伐克来说可能并非如此。当然,这只是猜测。

    回复:@reiner Tor

  187. @reiner Tor
    @东方红

    我想那不是在 1940 年,当时英国生产的飞机比德国还多。

    到了 1944 年,这一切都不再重要了,而且英国只占盟军战争生产的一小部分。

    回复:@DFH

    我想那不是在 1940 年,当时英国生产的飞机比德国还多。

    我相当肯定他们是。根据 Correlli Barnett 的《战争审计》,英国的产量峰值为每天 1.28 磅,而整个战争期间德国的平均产量为 1.5 磅。如果有的话,这低估了德国的优势,因为英国生产的更多产品用于轰炸机,每磅所需的工时更少。
    英国总产量如此之高的原因是英国制造业的巨大比例是针对英国的,这可能也有助于从美国进口如此多的投入。

  188. @reiner Tor
    @AP

    莫斯科地区的别墅被扣押,作为对马里兰州和纽约州两处住宅被非法扣押的回应。我认为这些可能是美国最昂贵的州之一,尽管我可能是错的。

    回复:@JL

    这些别墅位于莫斯科市区,而不是莫斯科地区。它是城市范围内仅存的少数别墅群之一,位于莫斯科河上游的河岸上。这是珍贵的房地产,大多数都无法以任何价格出售。我不知道它是否与俄罗斯人夺取的东西完全可比,但可能非常接近。而且,正如阿纳托利已经写过的那样,美国人失去了他们在圣彼得堡的所有房地产。

    无论如何,这大多都是象征性的。我最初的观点是俄罗斯人确实进行了报复,而不是他们的行为是非法或不公正的。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @JL

    好吧,我纠正了。

    我的观点是,美国正在以一种无限制的斗争方式做完全非法的事情,例如夺取俄罗斯外交大楼。在这场象征性的战斗中,俄罗斯的报复是无关紧要的(因为它是合法的)。

    在象征性较小的案例中,例如对俄罗斯铝业公司的制裁,他们确实 不能 (或很少)报复。

    显然,没有好的对称报复。但为什么不突然向伊朗运送武器呢?甚至真主党?并公开宣布,为了报复制裁,俄罗斯将向被美国而非俄罗斯视为恐怖分子的组织运送武器。如果内塔尼亚胡愤怒地打电话,普京可以让他与美国人谈谈。告诉他,如果他不希望真主党拥有现代重型武器(最初我只会象征性地向他们发送小型武器),那么美国就不应该再对俄罗斯实施域外制裁。

    现在普京并没有做这样的事情。他根本什么也没做。这就是我所说的“不报复”。我知道外交事件总会有相应的报复。它们只是为了说明美国人方面的斗争是多么的无拘无束。

    回复:@AP

  189. @songbird
    @波兰视角

    没有什么明显不诚实的地方,但我认为南美与美国可能有不同的标准。美国是非西班牙裔白人,而我可能是错的,我相当怀疑布宜诺斯艾利斯的人口大约有70%是纯欧元。大概 70% 的人都相当白,但是纯洁吗?我对此表示怀疑。

    到 97 世纪 1950 年代,波士顿 89% 是白人。那些说美国一度有 95% 是白人的人基本上是错误的。到了 97 年代和 40 年代,像波士顿这样的大多数重要城市的白人比例为 50-XNUMX%,这仅意味着整个北方的白人比例要高得多。当您走进波士顿公共图书馆并看到壁画与图书馆里的人们时,您真的会感到震惊。

    回复:@Polish Perspective

    我认为南美与美国可能有不同的标准。美国是非西班牙裔白人,而我可能是错的,我相当怀疑布宜诺斯艾利斯的人口大约有70%是纯欧元。大概 70% 的人都相当白,但是纯洁吗?我对此表示怀疑。

    是的,这听起来似乎有道理。正如史蒂夫·塞勒在他最近关于巴西平权行动的文章中反复指出的那样,拉丁美洲不存在“一滴规则”。人们开玩笑说 Amerimutt,但实际上,美国的大多数白人 白色,我们谈论的是平均 98% 或更多。

    话又说回来,大多数阿根廷人口都是南欧后裔,而历史上大多数美国白人来自北欧和后来的东欧,只有意大利人和少量希腊人混杂其中。仅波兰裔美国人就超过10万。这意味着在阿根廷或拉美其他国家很难判断一个人有多“白人”,因为定居在那里的白人一开始就很黑。

    北欧表型从未像早期在美国那样占据主导地位。

    那些说美国一度有 89% 是白人的人基本上是错误的。

    好…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States#Historical_data_for_all_races_and_for_Hispanic_origin_(1610–2010)

    根据美国人口普查数据,80 多岁的白人人数最多。你关于波士顿的说法可能没有错。美国在其历史的大部分时间里都处于极度种族隔离的状态。如果你住在新英格兰,你可能生活在一个非白人人口占 12% 的国家,但几乎看不到非白人。直到30世纪40年代和XNUMX年代所谓的“大迁徙”,这种情况才开始改变。

    有趣的是,资本家需要廉价劳动力。在北方实业家进口墨西哥人之前,他们从南方进口黑人。当然,这一历史事实不会让崇拜资本主义的共和党人接受。

    另外,请记住,88% 的白人比例包括 2-3% 的犹太人,甚至当时还包括一些阿拉伯人和其他未计算在内的人,尽管我们最多谈论不超过 10-20 个基点。

    1965 年后,即使有大量非欧洲移民,美国也没有更快地实现非白人化,原因是生育率高得离谱。我的意思是,即使在 1960 世纪 3 年代,每个女性的 TFR 也达到了 3.5 到 1990,这太疯狂了。直到最近,该数字在结构上仍高于(北欧)欧洲。这使得这个过程可以拖得更久。否则你可能在 XNUMX 世纪 XNUMX 年代就已经达到目前的阶段了。

    当您走进波士顿公共图书馆并看到壁画与图书馆里的人们时,您真的会感到震惊。

    我终究是一个没有感情的人。如果一个民族集体决定他们不想存在,那么他们就不会存在。这包括面对缓慢的消灭时保持被动。生活不会奖励温顺或消极的人。我知道这听起来很刺耳,但我确实对那些一直反对这种流离失所的少数人表示同情。但在某种程度上,我觉得人们需要重新审视他们自己实际上有多少斗争,有多少花在抱怨却什么也没做。

    无论美国之后发生什么——我将不再将其视为同一个国家——都将比历史上的情况更糟糕。但如果美国的原始居民和建设者不想保护他们的创造物,那么实际的损失是什么?只有强者和智者才能生存。

  190. @reiner Tor
    @波兰视角

    自 1998 年以来,斯洛伐克的表现相当不错,比匈牙利好得多。但我认为,以前的表现并不好。事实上,由于捷克斯洛伐克的很多共产主义重工业和军备工业都集中在那里,我认为他们在1990世纪XNUMX年代遭到了残酷的打击。

    所以也许这就是解释。我不知道。

    回复:@Polish Perspective

    那很有意思。我承认我对斯洛伐克的了解有限——这在波兰是一种常见的刻板印象,因为我们对南方的好邻居普遍无知——但据我了解,他们在 1990 世纪 XNUMX 年代基本上有一个软性的半独裁领导层,在梅恰尔。他们有一个短暂的空位期,这显然主要是为了安抚西方观察家/自由主义者批评明显缺乏真正的民主。

    直到 1990 世纪 1990 年代末,真正的民主化才出现,梅恰尔和他的寡头们(在某种程度上)放弃了控制权。 XNUMX 世纪 XNUMX 年代的独裁阶段恰逢 非常 直到 1990 世纪 1990 年代末才逐步私有化,这意味着增长可能会比较平稳。随后出现了大规模的私有化浪潮。到那时,已经进行了足够的调整,这就是斯洛伐克在XNUMX世纪XNUMX年代表现得很好的原因。

    斯洛伐克在这一时期的大部分时间里失业率也很高。但话又说回来,我们也是如此。

    我认为关键线索可能就在问题本身。它要求:有机会取得成功 更平等?人们可以合理地说,总体生活已经改善了很多 仍然 说不平等问题并没有变得不那么重要。它们不需要相互抵消,而且确实可以共存。这可能更接近事实,因为我经常听说斯洛伐克的经济机会严重局限于布拉迪斯拉维亚地区。斯洛伐克东部地区基本上没有完全缩小经济差距,甚至可能进一步落后。这可能是他们做出令人惊讶的负面反应的原因之一。

    相比之下,华沙对波兰的统治程度几乎没有达到同样的程度。事实上,有些人甚至声称与大多数国家的中位数比例相比,华沙人口稀少。大伦敦地区人口占英国人口的 20%。相比之下,华沙的比例仅为 5%。地区不平等仍然存在,但已经有所改善。对于斯洛伐克来说可能并非如此。当然,这只是猜测。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @波兰视角

    梅西亚尔发出了反匈牙利民族主义的声音,所以对我来说很难对他形成客观的评价。但我之前想知道他是否真的像匈牙利媒体所描述的那样对斯洛伐克有害。

    是的,共产主义重工业和军备工业的很大一部分位于斯洛伐克东部。

  191. @reiner Tor
    @米特勒


    以购买力平价计算,俄罗斯经济规模与德国相当。
     
    德国可能太小了。

    一个问题是,俄罗斯公民看到自己的生活水平低于西方国家,他们愿意忍受多久是个问题。

    但即使前一个问题的答案是“永远”,俄罗斯能够在军事上与美国保持接近平衡的时间仍然是一个问题。

    即使这两个问题的答案都是“永远”,这里仍然存在很强的不对称性:美国可以单枪匹马地扼杀俄罗斯一家大公司,而俄罗斯却无法扼杀任何美国公司。即使这不会给俄罗斯带来损失,这也是一个相当不舒服的情况。这很可能。

    回复:@Mitleser

    欧洲最大经济体太小?

    一个问题是,俄罗斯公民看到自己的生活水平低于西方国家,他们愿意忍受多久是个问题。

    有什么选择?
    移民并不一定意味着生活水平的提高。
    只做西方想要的事也是行不通的。

    但即使前一个问题的答案是“永远”,俄罗斯能够在军事上与美国保持接近平衡的时间仍然是一个问题。

    中国的崛起意味着美国必须重新部署更多的力量来对抗它们,这增加了俄罗斯在与俄罗斯相关的领域保持可接受的力量平衡的机会。

    美国可以凭一己之力绞杀俄罗斯大企业,而俄罗斯却无法绞杀任何美国企业。

    俄铝显示出这一制裁政策的局限性。

    据莫斯科媒体透露,他们一致认为,美国对铝和氧化铝价格突然上涨感到不满,俄罗斯对对该公司实施的制裁感到不满。

    经过谈判,努钦同意公开区分德里帕斯卡和俄铝;允许俄罗斯铝业公司与美国人进行金属贸易的时间延长六个月,并承诺财政部将考虑将俄罗斯铝业公司的请愿书除名。这一特许权恢复了欧洲、非洲和澳大利亚非美国公司向俄铝冶炼厂供货的生产链。它避免了基辅乌克兰政权的尴尬,该政权希望保持德里帕斯卡位于尼古拉耶夫的氧化铝精炼厂满负荷运转。它还允许美国继续承包俄铝金属运输。

    http://johnhelmer.net/us-reprieve-for-rusal-does-not-relieve-president-putin-of-fatal-choice-for-oleg-deripaska/

    他们可以击败俄罗斯一家大公司,但这并不意味着它会很便宜。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @米特勒

    如果他们进行报复,他们就会处于更有利的地位。美国强烈反对向行动者(伊朗,甚至真主党?)发送武器。

    如果他们想要军事打击来阻止它,那么就冷静地开始准备核战争吧。甚至不要威胁任何事情。威胁应该是隐含的。就像向一些北约国家发出的礼貌的外交照会,询问如果美国在其他地方袭击俄罗斯军队,他们是否允许美国使用其领空。或者干脆让所有核力量处于最高戒备状态。不花任何钱,至少是一个钻头。

    回复:@Mitleser

  192. @reiner Tor
    @米特勒


    苏联的失败主要是由于意识形态而非经济原因
     
    如果苏联人对其经济体系的可行性充满信心,那么根本就不会有任何问题。安德罗波夫想要经济改革,这就是他支持戈尔巴乔夫作为继任者的原因。整个崩溃是经济疲软的结果。

    回复:@for-the-record,@Mitleser

    即使他们对其经济体系的可行性充满信心,也会出现问题。
    更好的经济体系不会突然解决执政党的弱点或阻止民族主义的抬头。

    看看中国。中国经济表现良好,但存在执政党内部腐败等实际问题,削弱了其合法性。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @米特勒

    我太夸张了。总是存在一些问题。但还没有达到 1980 世纪 XNUMX 年代末苏联生存危机的规模。

  193. @JL
    @reiner托尔

    这些别墅位于莫斯科市区,而不是莫斯科地区。它是城市范围内仅存的少数别墅群之一,位于莫斯科河上游的河岸上。这是珍贵的房地产,大多数都无法以任何价格出售。我不知道它是否与俄罗斯人夺取的东西完全可比,但可能非常接近。而且,正如阿纳托利已经写过的那样,美国人失去了他们在圣彼得堡的所有房地产。

    无论如何,这大多都是象征性的。我最初的观点是俄罗斯人确实进行了报复,而不是他们的行为是非法或不公正的。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    好吧,我纠正了。

    我的观点是,美国正在以一种无限制的斗争方式做完全非法的事情,例如夺取俄罗斯外交大楼。在这场象征性的战斗中,俄罗斯的报复是无关紧要的(因为它是合法的)。

    在象征性较小的案例中,例如对俄罗斯铝业公司的制裁,他们确实 不能 (或很少)报复。

    显然,没有好的对称报复。但为什么不突然向伊朗运送武器呢?甚至真主党?并公开宣布,为了报复制裁,俄罗斯将向被美国而非俄罗斯视为恐怖分子的组织运送武器。如果内塔尼亚胡愤怒地打电话,普京可以让他与美国人谈谈。告诉他,如果他不希望真主党拥有现代重型武器(最初我只会象征性地向他们发送小型武器),那么美国就不应该再对俄罗斯实施域外制裁。

    现在普京并没有做这样的事情。他根本什么也没做。这就是我所说的“不报复”。我知道外交事件总会有相应的报复。它们只是为了说明美国人方面的斗争是多么的无拘无束。

    • 回复: @AP
    @reiner托尔

    这可能是非法的,但你确定吗?大使馆是一回事,但国家是否有某种合法权利在其他国家拥有房地产?这些私人建筑是否是俄罗斯拥有某种所有权的?我的印象是,此类建筑物不征税,并且根据其所在国家的判断被视为“外国土地”,但我在这里可能完全错误。

    回复:@reiner Tor

  194. @Mitleser
    @reiner托尔

    即使他们对其经济体系的可行性充满信心,也会出现问题。
    更好的经济体系不会突然解决执政党的弱点或阻止民族主义的抬头。

    看看中国。中国经济表现良好,但存在执政党内部腐败等实际问题,削弱了其合法性。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    我太夸张了。总是存在一些问题。但还没有达到 1980 世纪 XNUMX 年代末苏联生存危机的规模。

  195. @reiner Tor
    @乌图

    我同意。

    还有一个因素是,现在苏联解体已经过去了比较长的时间,老家伙们认为既然苏联已经不复存在了,那么美国一定是无可争议的世界主人。年轻人或多或少是在这种世界观中长大的,所以对他们来说,这是事物的自然安排,他们无法想到任何其他的世界秩序。

    这些人需要非常强烈的反对。普京显然不是这样的反对派。他不是一个愿意为自己的理想而死的人,而且他的理想本来就不值得为他而死。

    回复:@German_reader、@utu、@Mitleser

    这里的问题是,普京是接受美国统治和胜利并希望继续成为胜利一方的年轻一代之一。
    毫不奇怪,很难改变这样的世界观并投向对立面。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @米特勒

    2007年就有报道称普京已经完全厌倦了美国和整个西方。此后,他允许梅德韦杰夫在缺乏经验且无人监督的情况下制定外交政策。然后利比亚发生了,然后叙利亚开始了,然后是乌克兰(在我看来,这些基本上都是内部事态发展,但美国总是太渴望利用这种局势),还有克里米亚,有报道称普京现在如何真正做到了这一点。他受够了,但随后他继续努力为更加难以捉摸的和解敞开大门。然后“通俄门”发生了,特朗普对叙利亚发动了袭击,并不断加大制裁力度。有报道称他现在真的受够了。然后斯克里帕尔事件、俄罗斯铝业制裁以及叙利亚新的袭击发生了,然后看起来就够了。

    但我们现在就在这里。这就是我所说的普京软弱。

    比较一下内维尔·张伯伦。他想不惜一切代价避免爆发新的大火。他真的很想与希特勒一起工作。然而,在希特勒最终食言,摧毁了捷克,暴露了他帝国主义者的真面目之后,他就屈服于对下一次侵略发动战争。他有学习能力。当新的事实出现时,他能够调整自己的行为。普京似乎做不到这一点。

    回复:@Mitleser

  196. @Mitleser
    @reiner托尔

    欧洲最大经济体太小?


    一个问题是,俄罗斯公民看到自己的生活水平低于西方国家,他们愿意忍受多久是个问题。
     
    有什么选择?
    移民并不一定意味着生活水平的提高。
    只做西方想要的事也是行不通的。

    但即使前一个问题的答案是“永远”,俄罗斯能够在军事上与美国保持接近平衡的时间仍然是一个问题。
     
    中国的崛起意味着美国必须重新部署更多的力量来对抗它们,这增加了俄罗斯在与俄罗斯相关的领域保持可接受的力量平衡的机会。

    美国可以凭一己之力绞杀俄罗斯大企业,而俄罗斯却无法绞杀任何美国企业。
     
    俄铝显示出这一制裁政策的局限性。

    据莫斯科媒体透露,他们一致认为,美国对铝和氧化铝价格突然上涨感到不满,俄罗斯对对该公司实施的制裁感到不满。

    经过谈判,努钦同意公开区分德里帕斯卡和俄铝;允许俄罗斯铝业公司与美国人进行金属贸易的时间延长六个月,并承诺财政部将考虑将俄罗斯铝业公司的请愿书除名。这一特许权恢复了欧洲、非洲和澳大利亚非美国公司向俄铝冶炼厂供货的生产链。它避免了基辅乌克兰政权的尴尬,该政权希望保持德里帕斯卡位于尼古拉耶夫的氧化铝精炼厂满负荷运转。它还允许美国继续承包俄铝金属运输。
     
    http://johnhelmer.net/us-reprieve-for-rusal-does-not-relieve-president-putin-of-fatal-choice-for-oleg-deripaska/

    他们可以击败俄罗斯一家大公司,但这并不意味着它会很便宜。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    如果他们进行报复,他们就会处于更有利的地位。美国强烈反对向行动者(伊朗,甚至真主党?)发送武器。

    如果他们想要军事打击来阻止它,那么就冷静地开始准备核战争吧。甚至不要威胁任何事情。威胁应该是隐含的。就像向一些北约国家发出的礼貌的外交照会,询问如果美国在其他地方袭击俄罗斯军队,他们是否允许美国使用其领空。或者干脆让所有核力量处于最高戒备状态。不花任何钱,至少是一个钻头。

    • 回复: @Mitleser
    @reiner托尔


    美国强烈反对向行动者(伊朗,甚至真主党?)发送武器。
     
    如果这些行为者只是强烈反对美国而不是其他国家,他们也许会这么做。
    就目前情况而言,克里姆林宫不想与抵抗轴心有太多联系。
  197. @Polish Perspective
    在所有地方的 /pol/ 上找到了这个。这本身就意味着必须非常谨慎地对待它,但尽管如此,地图仍然很有趣。有人看到任何异常的东西吗?

    https://i.imgur.com/7FuFW55.png

    快速浏览之后,巴黎对我来说显得低得可笑。尽管正如一些人在 /pol/ 线程中所写的那样,它可能包括所有的 banelieus。

    回复:@ songbird,@ for-the-record

    华盛顿特区似乎明显偏离(太低),因为 2017 年白人的比例估计为 44.6%。当我上学时(河对岸的弗吉尼亚州北部),华盛顿特区 70% 以上是黑人。有趣的是,1950年至1970年间,白人人口从65%下降到28%,而最近的飞速上升都是在2000年后。

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Washington,_D.C.

    https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/DC

    对于巴黎来说,这些数字是针对法兰西岛的,该地区的人口接近 12 万,而巴黎本身的人口略高于 2 万。

  198. @Mitleser
    @reiner托尔

    这里的问题是,普京是接受美国统治和胜利并希望继续成为胜利一方的年轻一代之一。
    毫不奇怪,很难改变这样的世界观并投向对立面。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    2007年就有报道称普京已经完全厌倦了美国和整个西方。此后,他允许梅德韦杰夫在缺乏经验且无人监督的情况下制定外交政策。然后利比亚发生了,然后叙利亚开始了,然后是乌克兰(在我看来,这些基本上都是内部事态发展,但美国总是太渴望利用这种局势),还有克里米亚,有报道称普京现在如何真正做到了这一点。他受够了,但随后他继续努力为更加难以捉摸的和解敞开大门。然后“通俄门”发生了,特朗普对叙利亚发动了袭击,并不断加大制裁力度。有报道称他现在真的受够了。然后斯克里帕尔事件、俄罗斯铝业制裁以及叙利亚新的袭击发生了,然后看起来就够了。

    但我们现在就在这里。这就是我所说的普京软弱。

    比较一下内维尔·张伯伦。他想不惜一切代价避免爆发新的大火。他真的很想与希特勒一起工作。然而,在希特勒最终食言,摧毁了捷克,暴露了他帝国主义者的真面目之后,他就屈服于对下一次侵略发动战争。他有学习能力。当新的事实出现时,他能够调整自己的行为。普京似乎做不到这一点。

    • 回复: @Mitleser
    @reiner托尔

    不同的是,张伯伦领导下的英国的地位比普京领导下的俄罗斯更强。

    在你赢得了对相同对手的最后一场战争并且仍然拥有许多相同的优势之后,你更容易屈服于与某人的另一场战争。

  199. @utu
    @reiner托尔


    当出现危机的时候,把你们该死的核力量置于最高警戒级别,并充分宣传。重要的是,美国和欧洲公众(如评论者马特拉)和最令人讨厌的战争贩子(如约翰·博尔顿)得到这样的信息:这是一场核战争局势,正如您显然所认为的那样。

    通过明确地做出承诺,您实际上会降低未来遭受美国袭击的风险。
     
    我得出这个结论,然后我想到了以色列,以及为什么俄罗斯对此如此胆怯。如果俄罗斯想展示实力并重申自己的立场,就必须首先把以色列放在自己的位置上。如果以色列得到这个信息,美国可能会退缩。只要我们看到以色列飞机和导弹飞越叙利亚上空,我们就知道普京还没有准备好进行严重对抗。

    回复:@reiner Tor,@ for-the-record

    只要我们看到以色列飞机和导弹飞越叙利亚上空,我们就知道普京还没有准备好进行严重对抗。

    S-300或许将是对此的一次考验。前几天有新闻报道称,俄罗斯将向叙利亚提供S-300,但仔细一看,他们所说的似乎只是“升级”叙利亚的能力。如果他们最终不坚持S-300,这将是他们退缩的又一个例子。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @作为记录


    这将是他们退缩的又一个例子
     
    是的。我看不出有什么理由反对交付它(德米特里说无论如何它都会被以色列摧毁,但我不相信),但也许普京知道一些我不知道的事情。

    无论如何,规则非常简单:

    1)不要用你不愿意做的事情来威胁。

    2)愿意做你威胁的事情。

    如果你经常违反这一点,就别指望你的话会被认真对待。如果你确实愿意为某些事情发动核战争,那么这样的政策将大大增加核战争的风险,因为到了那个时候,没有人会认真对待你的威胁。
  200. @Polish Perspective
    乔迪最近就像一座金矿。这让我有些惊讶。

    https://jodi.graphics/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Number-of-_Total-agree_-answers-to-the-question_-Compared-with-30-years-ago-opportunities-for-getting-ahead-in-life-have-become-more-equal-in-your-country_-Eurobarometer-2018-Jo-Di-graphics.png

    斯洛伐克是最大的问号。克罗地亚是理所当然的。据我所知,南斯拉夫是一个非常舒适的地方。与大多数东欧国家,甚至波罗的海国家相比,克罗地亚在2008年的危机中也惨遭失败。希腊是不言自明的。

    法国很有趣。提出的问题是 30 年的视角。大多数人可能不记得这一点 - 也不记得,因为我当时还没有出生,但我可以获得统计数据 - 即法国三十年前与(西德)一样富有,甚至更富有。它是 领先于英国。

    现在看起来很像2000年代初期的意大利。仍然是一个富裕的国家,但停滞不前。但是,是的,回到斯洛伐克,我想知道是什么激发了他们的怀旧之情。他们的经济表现相当出色,可以说是所有东部欧国家中最好的。对我来说似乎有点神秘。


    https://i.imgur.com/iKh7nKC.png

    我对这张图表感到惊讶,特别是对于波兰。社会科学家所说的“控制点”通常与个人和国家的成功联系在一起。也就是说,如果你永远把自己视为外部环境的不幸受害者,你就会陷入受害者情结,永远不会得到很大的改善。

    从历史上看,北欧新教国家的“控制点”和个人主义的比例很高,在某种程度上,这里也是如此。波兰在这些民意调查中常常表现得很糟糕。因此,这要么是一个异常值,要么是新趋势的一部分。我们领先于爱沙尼亚,几乎与德国持平。甚至远远领先于捷克,更不用说南欧国家了。

    我什至讽刺地同情希腊的反应。他们选出了一位被三驾马车钉死在十字架上的极左翼反紧缩候选人。这是民主在真正重要时毫无用处的最明显例子之一。

    回复:@reiner Tor,@ utu

    这些愚蠢问题的翻译可能是不确定的。希腊人、波兰人和法国人对“公平”的概念是否相同?

    第一个问题“生活中的进步变得更加平等”确实很白痴。领先什么?进步不会妨碍平等吗?任何一个人应该如何衡量“更平等”的国家?通过观察较穷或较富裕的邻居,还是通过观看和聆听媒体?

    提出这些调查的白痴是谁?我猜是小贩和骗子。

  201. @reiner Tor
    @乌图

    普京现在的处境很困难,因为早在普京出现之前,以色列就轰炸了叙利亚而不受惩罚。所以当他进去的时候基本上就是现状。

    另一个问题是,自从他去了那里,他仍然允许以色列轰炸叙利亚(见我之前的观点,我认为很难突然改变这一点),所以现在它是双重的现状。

    让某人停止某种行为(停止轰炸叙利亚)总是比让他不开始某种行为(比如让美国不要养成轰炸叙利亚的习惯)更困难。所以我会让以色列轰炸叙利亚,但不会让美国轰炸。 (也许一年前,我还会向叙利亚提供 S-300,以回应美国的一些新制裁。让美国知道,通过制裁俄罗斯,他们也会让以色列的日子变得更加困难。)

    无论如何,现在普京已经将自己置于这样一个境地:美国偶尔会以微不足道的借口轰炸叙利亚,这几乎已经成为一种习惯。所以下次需要越来越多的对抗才能阻止他们。

    我刚刚的另一个想法是在杜马危机(或无论它被称为什么)期间向爱沙尼亚发送外交照会,询问他们,如果美国入侵叙利亚的俄罗斯军队或俄罗斯盟友叙利亚的军队,爱沙尼亚是否会允许如果俄罗斯和美国之间爆发战争,美国飞机会使用其领空来对付俄罗斯吗?这只是一个礼貌的问题,但可能会让德国政客等人感到脊背发凉,而他们甚至不会被问到。或者公众。这甚至不是威胁:只是一个问题。你不需要坚持到底,因为如果你没有威胁任何事情,你就不需要坚持到底。这只是一个问题。它甚至不会威胁爱沙尼亚进行报复(无论如何这都是隐含的),只是询问他们是否对这种可能性有正式立场。

    回复:@utu,@utu

    让某人停止某种行为(停止轰炸叙利亚)总是比让他不开始某种行为(比如让美国不要养成轰炸叙利亚的习惯)更困难。 所以我会让以色列轰炸叙利亚 但不是美国。 (也许一年前,我还会向叙利亚提供 S-300,以回应美国的一些新制裁。让美国知道,通过制裁俄罗斯,他们也会让以色列的日子变得更加困难。)

    我简直不敢相信。你是另一个迪米特里。卡林也同意这一点。哇。

    你必须杀鸡才能吓到钱,而不是相反。杀死(恐吓)鸡可能不会毁灭世界,而试图杀死金钱则很可能会毁灭世界。

    作为记录,克劳塞维茨-库克塞维茨莱纳·托尔和阿纳托利·卡林刚刚指出:

    我会让以色列轰炸叙利亚
    我会让以色列轰炸叙利亚
    我会让以色列轰炸叙利亚
    我会让以色列轰炸叙利亚

    • 回复: @Greasy William
    @乌图

    因为像 99% 的非穆斯林一样,莱纳和阿纳托利并不真正关心叙利亚。他们两人都比大多数人更加支持叙利亚。

    面对现实:你所说或所做的一切都不会让人们关心叙利亚。俄罗斯不会把你从以色列手中拯救出来,无论是与普京一起,还是在普京去世后。没有哪个俄罗斯总统会因为与以色列进行核交锋而牺牲莫斯科和圣彼得堡以及天知道还有多少其他俄罗斯城市。

    ...

    关于 s-300:如果 s-300 供应给叙利亚,我怀疑它是否会被用来对付以色列飞机。以色列国防军通常发出克制的声音,现在真的非常非常希望与叙利亚和伊朗开战,即使不惜与俄罗斯发生直接冲突。

    俄罗斯将告诉阿萨德,他不能使用S-300对抗以色列飞机。如果阿萨德不理睬他,以色列将毫发无伤地销毁S-300电池,而俄罗斯则不会采取任何回应。

    回复:@ utu,@ Dmitry

  202. @reiner Tor
    @米特勒

    如果他们进行报复,他们就会处于更有利的地位。美国强烈反对向行动者(伊朗,甚至真主党?)发送武器。

    如果他们想要军事打击来阻止它,那么就冷静地开始准备核战争吧。甚至不要威胁任何事情。威胁应该是隐含的。就像向一些北约国家发出的礼貌的外交照会,询问如果美国在其他地方袭击俄罗斯军队,他们是否允许美国使用其领空。或者干脆让所有核力量处于最高戒备状态。不花任何钱,至少是一个钻头。

    回复:@Mitleser

    美国强烈反对向行动者(伊朗,甚至真主党?)发送武器。

    如果这些行为者只是强烈反对美国而不是其他国家,他们也许会这么做。
    就目前情况而言,克里姆林宫不想与抵抗轴心有太多联系。

  203. @reiner Tor
    @乌图

    普京现在的处境很困难,因为早在普京出现之前,以色列就轰炸了叙利亚而不受惩罚。所以当他进去的时候基本上就是现状。

    另一个问题是,自从他去了那里,他仍然允许以色列轰炸叙利亚(见我之前的观点,我认为很难突然改变这一点),所以现在它是双重的现状。

    让某人停止某种行为(停止轰炸叙利亚)总是比让他不开始某种行为(比如让美国不要养成轰炸叙利亚的习惯)更困难。所以我会让以色列轰炸叙利亚,但不会让美国轰炸。 (也许一年前,我还会向叙利亚提供 S-300,以回应美国的一些新制裁。让美国知道,通过制裁俄罗斯,他们也会让以色列的日子变得更加困难。)

    无论如何,现在普京已经将自己置于这样一个境地:美国偶尔会以微不足道的借口轰炸叙利亚,这几乎已经成为一种习惯。所以下次需要越来越多的对抗才能阻止他们。

    我刚刚的另一个想法是在杜马危机(或无论它被称为什么)期间向爱沙尼亚发送外交照会,询问他们,如果美国入侵叙利亚的俄罗斯军队或俄罗斯盟友叙利亚的军队,爱沙尼亚是否会允许如果俄罗斯和美国之间爆发战争,美国飞机会使用其领空来对付俄罗斯吗?这只是一个礼貌的问题,但可能会让德国政客等人感到脊背发凉,而他们甚至不会被问到。或者公众。这甚至不是威胁:只是一个问题。你不需要坚持到底,因为如果你没有威胁任何事情,你就不需要坚持到底。这只是一个问题。它甚至不会威胁爱沙尼亚进行报复(无论如何这都是隐含的),只是询问他们是否对这种可能性有正式立场。

    回复:@utu,@utu

    我刚刚的另一个想法是在杜马危机(或其他任何名称)期间向爱沙尼亚发送外交照会,询问他们是否……

    这很好。一点也不傻。对爱沙尼亚人撒狗屎你可以忍受,但对其他不是伊顿公学的爱沙尼亚人你甚至无法想象。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @乌图

    我并没有提议去弄乱一个爱沙尼亚人的一根头发。我的建议是认真对待一场(核战争或非核战争)战争的准备工作(这是一种比外交官空话更有效、更可信的威胁方式,而且好处是你不必坚持到底,因为这根本不是威胁)。这只是正常战争准备工作的一部分——你问你的邻居,如果美国侵略引发战争,他们是否允许美国使用他们的领空或基地。 (或者,如果爱沙尼亚人不愿意使用这个表达方式,则在美国无端攻击俄罗斯或盟军而引发战争的情况下。)

    如果美国和俄罗斯之间爆发战争,俄罗斯政府肯定需要这些信息。也许他们不应该单独挑出爱沙尼亚,而是询问所有欧洲北约成员国,或所有与俄罗斯接壤的北约成员国,或所有与俄罗斯接壤的国家(如乌克兰)等。


    对爱沙尼亚人撒狗屎你可以忍受,但对其他不是伊顿公学的爱沙尼亚人你甚至无法想象。
     
    你的意思是向以色列人拉屎?你要么没有读我的其他评论,要么你只是在撒谎。

    我明确提议开始为难以色列,作为对美国制裁的不对称反应。首先,向真主党运送小武器。正式宣布这是对美国制裁的回应。然后当比比愤怒地打电话时,告诉他,如果进一步制裁,就会送来重型武器。最终,俄罗斯可能会受到制裁,导致真主党获得适当的防空和空军。 (我的知识不够,不知道这是否是一个可行的策略。真主党可能不是一个足够可靠的组织。那么只有叙利亚应该获得这种武器。但不是作为对美国导弹袭击的回应,而是作为回应制裁 - 俄罗斯对此没有对称的答案,例如向伊朗发送武器等。)

    然而,与以色列采取核边缘政策并不是一个好主意。这种威胁要么不可信,要么很愚蠢。但如果以色列和俄罗斯之间爆发核战争,你自然会感到高兴,所以你主张极有可能发生核战争的情况是可以原谅的。
  204. @reiner Tor
    @米特勒

    2007年就有报道称普京已经完全厌倦了美国和整个西方。此后,他允许梅德韦杰夫在缺乏经验且无人监督的情况下制定外交政策。然后利比亚发生了,然后叙利亚开始了,然后是乌克兰(在我看来,这些基本上都是内部事态发展,但美国总是太渴望利用这种局势),还有克里米亚,有报道称普京现在如何真正做到了这一点。他受够了,但随后他继续努力为更加难以捉摸的和解敞开大门。然后“通俄门”发生了,特朗普对叙利亚发动了袭击,并不断加大制裁力度。有报道称他现在真的受够了。然后斯克里帕尔事件、俄罗斯铝业制裁以及叙利亚新的袭击发生了,然后看起来就够了。

    但我们现在就在这里。这就是我所说的普京软弱。

    比较一下内维尔·张伯伦。他想不惜一切代价避免爆发新的大火。他真的很想与希特勒一起工作。然而,在希特勒最终食言,摧毁了捷克,暴露了他帝国主义者的真面目之后,他就屈服于对下一次侵略发动战争。他有学习能力。当新的事实出现时,他能够调整自己的行为。普京似乎做不到这一点。

    回复:@Mitleser

    不同的是,张伯伦领导下的英国的地位比普京领导下的俄罗斯更强。

    在你赢得了对相同对手的最后一场战争并且仍然拥有许多相同的优势之后,你更容易屈服于与某人的另一场战争。

  205. @Polish Perspective
    @reiner托尔

    那很有意思。我承认我对斯洛伐克的了解有限——这在波兰是一种常见的刻板印象,因为我们对南方的好邻居普遍无知——但据我了解,他们在 1990 世纪 XNUMX 年代基本上有一个软性的半独裁领导层,在梅恰尔。他们有一个短暂的空位期,这显然主要是为了安抚西方观察家/自由主义者批评明显缺乏真正的民主。

    直到 1990 世纪 1990 年代末,真正的民主化才出现,梅恰尔和他的寡头们(在某种程度上)放弃了控制权。 XNUMX 世纪 XNUMX 年代的独裁阶段恰逢 非常 直到 1990 世纪 1990 年代末才逐步私有化,这意味着增长可能会比较平稳。随后出现了大规模的私有化浪潮。到那时,已经进行了足够的调整,这就是斯洛伐克在XNUMX世纪XNUMX年代表现得很好的原因。

    斯洛伐克在这一时期的大部分时间里失业率也很高。但话又说回来,我们也是如此。

    我认为关键线索可能就在问题本身。它要求:有机会取得成功 更平等?人们可以合理地说,总体生活已经改善了很多 仍然 说不平等问题并没有变得不那么重要。它们不需要相互抵消,而且确实可以共存。这可能更接近事实,因为我经常听说斯洛伐克的经济机会严重局限于布拉迪斯拉维亚地区。斯洛伐克东部地区基本上没有完全缩小经济差距,甚至可能进一步落后。这可能是他们做出令人惊讶的负面反应的原因之一。

    相比之下,华沙对波兰的统治程度几乎没有达到同样的程度。事实上,有些人甚至声称与大多数国家的中位数比例相比,华沙人口稀少。大伦敦地区人口占英国人口的 20%。相比之下,华沙的这一比例仅为 5%。地区不平等仍然存在,但已经有所改善。对于斯洛伐克来说可能并非如此。当然,这只是猜测。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    梅西亚尔发出了反匈牙利民族主义的声音,所以对我来说很难对他形成客观的评价。但我之前想知道他是否真的像匈牙利媒体所描述的那样对斯洛伐克有害。

    是的,共产主义重工业和军备工业的很大一部分位于斯洛伐克东部。

  206. @utu
    @reiner托尔


    让某人停止某种行为(停止轰炸叙利亚)总是比让他不开始某种行为(比如让美国不要养成轰炸叙利亚的习惯)更困难。 所以我会让以色列轰炸叙利亚 但不是美国。 (也许一年前,我还会向叙利亚提供 S-300,以回应美国的一些新制裁。让美国知道,通过制裁俄罗斯,他们也会让以色列的日子变得更加困难。)
     
    我简直不敢相信。你是另一个迪米特里。卡林也同意这一点。哇。

    你必须杀鸡才能吓到钱,而不是相反。杀死(恐吓)鸡可能不会毁灭世界,而试图杀死金钱则很可能会毁灭世界。

    作为记录,克劳塞维茨-库克塞维茨莱纳·托尔和阿纳托利·卡林刚刚指出:


    我会让以色列轰炸叙利亚
    我会让以色列轰炸叙利亚
    我会让以色列轰炸叙利亚
    我会让以色列轰炸叙利亚

     

    回复:@Greasy William

    因为像 99% 的非穆斯林一样,莱纳和阿纳托利并不真正关心叙利亚。他们两人都比大多数人更加支持叙利亚。

    面对现实吧:你所说或所做的一切都不会让人们关心叙利亚。俄罗斯不会把你从以色列手中拯救出来,无论是与普京一起,还是在普京去世后。没有哪个俄罗斯总统会因为与以色列进行核交锋而牺牲莫斯科和圣彼得堡以及天知道还有多少其他俄罗斯城市。

    ...

    关于 s-300:如果 s-300 供应给叙利亚,我怀疑它是否会被用来对付以色列飞机。以色列国防军通常发出克制的声音,现在真的非常非常希望与叙利亚和伊朗开战,即使不惜与俄罗斯发生直接冲突。

    俄罗斯将告诉阿萨德,他不能使用S-300对抗以色列飞机。如果阿萨德不理睬他,以色列将毫发无伤地销毁S-300电池,而俄罗斯则不会采取任何回应。

    • 回复: @utu
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    就像 99% 的非穆斯林 [...] 并不真正关心叙利亚
     
    在这一句话中,你做出了三种典型的犹太人的预测。

    第一个是,你作为一个犹太人(尽管据说是一个摇摇欲坠的犹太人)并不关心叙利亚,所以你把它投射到其他人身上。这种预测源于犹太人狭隘的思想。这并不影响犹太种族中最聪明的人,但显然会影响一些人,正如你刚才所证明的那样。

    第二个预测来自于你的假设,即当一个人仅通过血缘或宗教与之相关时,他/她就会关心某件事。这种预测源于犹太民族中心主义。你把一些种族中心主义投射到每个人身上。

    第三种投射更像是一种反投射,因为它源于犹太人无法根据普遍法则进行思考。犹太人的想象力无法想象出无论种族或宗教如何都适用的普遍正义。你无法想象一个非穆斯林、非阿拉伯人、非叙利亚人可能会关心叙利亚,不是因为他/她与叙利亚有任何联系,而是因为他/她与一些非常基本的普遍戒律和规则有某种联系,比如对称性和互易性定律。他/她也可以来自半人马座阿尔法星,或者他/她可以是一个抽象的人工智能引擎,是宇宙的最高领导者。你们许多犹太人显然仍然遵循青铜时代的道德准则,并且距离康德的第一和第二条绝对命令还差得很远。

    在接下来的句子中,你只会变得更糟。但假设你是正确的,在目前的力量平衡和意志力下,俄罗斯无论有没有普京都不会从以色列手中拯救叙利亚。有人可能会问,普京为何决定前往叙利亚?俄罗斯可能根本就没有拯救叙利亚的意图,此次出访只是为了获得一些筹码。但为了获得影响力,你必须假装你是认真的。在这场游戏中,俄罗斯必须让她的“伙伴”相信她愿意不惜一切代价。这就是莱纳·托尔出现的地方。

    在我之前与莱纳·托尔讨论时提出的评论中,莱纳·托尔建议俄罗斯应该展示实力,利用核武器威胁在叙利亚划定红线,我建议,与其在这一点上与美国对抗,不如先让以色列屈服。俄罗斯有办法在很短的时间内摧毁以色列或以色列境内的任何东西,并且俄罗斯有能力摧毁以色列90%的报复潜力,因此俄罗斯需要做的就是向以色列传达这样的信息:俄罗斯不会犹豫,俄罗斯是认真的。这样,球就落在了美国的手里。然后是美国人需要决定她是否愿意冒纽约的风险去迪莫纳或特拉维夫。

    杀鸡吓唬猴子。
     
    我刚刚改进了莱纳·托尔的想法,因为它会增加彻底毁灭之前决策链的长度,从而提高每个人的生存机会。但显然,解决以色列问题对于我们的库克维茨来说是一个太过遥远的提议。阿提拉,他不是。

    回复:@for-the-record、@Greasy William、@Thorfinnsson

    , @Dmitry
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    如果以色列继续每隔几周轰炸叙利亚一次,而且这些袭击的规模还在不断扩大,那么在某个阶段,以色列将会做出回应。对于今晚这样的爆炸之夜,克里姆林宫高层不可能继续假装什么都没发生。

    同时,首先会是口头谴责。

    象征性的反应是关闭城市中的以色列文化中心,这对俄罗斯不会产生任何负面影响 - (这在大约 15 年前就发生过)

    经济反应 - 限制对以色列的石油供应(会因失去市场份额而损害俄罗斯)。

    限制旅游业(就像2015年土耳其Su-24被击落后发生的那样)或终止免签证区,都会惹恼以色列和朝圣者。

    向叙利亚供应S-300 - 可能会在未来几年内导致某种爆炸事件(并需要外交回应)。因此,让叙利亚付出代价比免费提供更有意义。

    回复:@Greasy William

  207. @utu
    @yevardian


    伊朗需要成为榜样。
     
    给谁做榜样?伊朗太大了。摧毁伊朗或许应该成为伊朗的教训。伊朗最大的罪行是,尽管 1979 年伊朗革命受挫,但它的运作相对良好。考虑一下伊朗革命的目的是为了阻止国王统治下伊朗的发展,因为拥有一个强大的伊朗并不意味着伊朗的发展。计划。尽管沙阿与美国和以色列关系都很好,但强大的伊朗让以色列感到紧张。从以色列的角度来看,伊朗与美国发生冲突是最理想的结果。

    奥巴马与伊朗达成的协议是他最伟大、最勇敢的成就,而最后的最后一击是不否决联合国针对以色列的决议。奥巴马确实不喜欢内塔尼亚胡和游说团体,当然,正如他在埃及的演讲所表明的那样,他想做更多的事情,但他受到了阻碍。瓦莱丽·贾雷特 (Valerie Jarret) 是白宫最重要的人物,她住在伊朗,会说帕西语,她可能在这笔交易中发挥了重要作用。

    破坏这笔交易是特朗普必须完成的唯一任务。可以说,伊朗是特朗普当选的唯一原因。撤销与伊朗的协议,激怒伊朗,以至于伊朗做出愚蠢的事情。

    回复:@reiner Tor,@Mitleser

    破坏这笔交易是特朗普必须完成的唯一任务。

    [更多]

  208. @German_reader
    @reiner托尔

    Daniel Chieh(他的妻子不仅允许他玩电子游戏……显然她自己也玩……书呆子的梦想成真!)。

    回复:@reiner Tor、@yevardian、@Daniel Chieh

    她确实是个宝。我也计划很快在《文明 6》中制作《让我们来玩俄罗斯占领世界》。

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @丹尼尔·齐(Daniel Chieh)

    很好,请告诉我们您是否将其上传到某个地方。我确信 AK 会感兴趣:-)

  209. @Greasy William
    @乌图

    因为像 99% 的非穆斯林一样,莱纳和阿纳托利并不真正关心叙利亚。他们两人都比大多数人更加支持叙利亚。

    面对现实:你所说或所做的一切都不会让人们关心叙利亚。俄罗斯不会把你从以色列手中拯救出来,无论是与普京一起,还是在普京去世后。没有哪个俄罗斯总统会因为与以色列进行核交锋而牺牲莫斯科和圣彼得堡以及天知道还有多少其他俄罗斯城市。

    ...

    关于 s-300:如果 s-300 供应给叙利亚,我怀疑它是否会被用来对付以色列飞机。以色列国防军通常发出克制的声音,现在真的非常非常希望与叙利亚和伊朗开战,即使不惜与俄罗斯发生直接冲突。

    俄罗斯将告诉阿萨德,他不能使用S-300对抗以色列飞机。如果阿萨德不理睬他,以色列将毫发无伤地销毁S-300电池,而俄罗斯则不会采取任何回应。

    回复:@ utu,@ Dmitry

    就像 99% 的非穆斯林 […] 并不真正关心叙利亚

    在这一句话中,你做出了三种典型的犹太人的预测。

    第一个是,你作为一个犹太人(尽管据说是一个摇摇欲坠的犹太人)并不关心叙利亚,所以你把它投射到其他人身上。这种预测源于犹太人狭隘的思想。这并不影响犹太种族中最聪明的人,但显然会影响一些人,正如你刚才所证明的那样。

    第二个预测来自于你的假设,即当一个人仅通过血缘或宗教与之相关时,他/她就会关心某件事。这种预测源于犹太民族中心主义。你把一些种族中心主义投射到每个人身上。

    第三种投射更像是一种反投射,因为它源于犹太人无法根据普遍法则进行思考。犹太人的想象力无法想象出无论种族或宗教如何都适用的普遍正义。你无法想象一个非穆斯林、非阿拉伯人、非叙利亚人可能会关心叙利亚,不是因为他/她与叙利亚有任何联系,而是因为他/她与一些非常基本的普遍戒律和规则有某种联系,比如对称性和互易性定律。他/她也可以来自半人马座阿尔法星,或者他/她可以是一个抽象的人工智能引擎,是宇宙的最高领导者。你们许多犹太人显然仍然遵循青铜时代的道德准则,并且距离康德的第一和第二条绝对命令还差得很远。

    在接下来的句子中,你只会变得更糟。但假设你是正确的,在目前的力量平衡和意志力下,俄罗斯无论有没有普京都不会从以色列手中拯救叙利亚。有人可能会问,普京为何决定前往叙利亚?俄罗斯可能根本就没有拯救叙利亚的意图,此次出访只是为了获得一些筹码。但为了获得影响力,你必须假装你是认真的。在这场游戏中,俄罗斯必须让她的“伙伴”相信她愿意不惜一切代价。这就是莱纳·托尔出现的地方。

    在我之前与莱纳·托尔讨论时提出的评论中,莱纳·托尔建议俄罗斯应该展示实力,利用核武器威胁在叙利亚划定红线,我建议,与其在这一点上与美国对抗,不如先让以色列屈服。俄罗斯有办法在很短的时间内摧毁以色列或以色列境内的任何东西,并且俄罗斯有能力摧毁以色列90%的报复潜力,因此俄罗斯需要做的就是向以色列传达这样的信息:俄罗斯不会犹豫,俄罗斯是认真的。这样,球就落在了美国的手里。然后是美国人需要决定她是否愿意冒纽约的风险去迪莫纳或特拉维夫。

    杀鸡吓唬猴子。

    我刚刚改进了莱纳·托尔的想法,因为它会增加彻底毁灭之前决策链的长度,从而提高每个人的生存机会。但显然,解决以色列问题对于我们的库克维茨来说是一个太过遥远的提议。阿提拉,他不是。

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @乌图

    还有今晚的新闻:


    叙利亚军队:“敌方”火箭袭击袭击了两个军事基地

    据叙利亚国家电视台报道,叙利亚军队表示,“敌方”火箭弹袭击了叙利亚总统巴沙尔·阿萨德的军事基地。

    叙利亚消息人士称,周日晚上,叙利亚霍姆斯北部的一个军事基地发生爆炸。据一些报道称,以色列对此次袭击负责。

    报道称,数十名忠于叙利亚政权的人在袭击中丧生。

    叙利亚国家电视台称,哈马省连续发生爆炸,当局正在调查反应情况。爆炸发生后不久,欧洲-地中海地震中心表示,爆炸在该地区引发了2.6级地震。

    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/explosions-reported-in-assad-army-base-north-of-homs-syria-1.6035801
     

    回复:@Mitleser、@utu

    , @Greasy William
    @乌图


    第一个是你作为一个犹太人(尽管据说是一个摇摇欲坠的犹太人)不关心叙利亚,所以你把它投射到其他人身上
     
    1. 我 do 关心叙利亚。我恨它。
    2. 我不是一个“动摇的”犹太人,我什至不知道这意味着什么。
    3. 你是投射的人。走进现实世界并与一些真实的人交谈。在互联网之外,没有人会浪费时间思考叙利亚、伊朗或巴勒斯坦人。伊斯兰世界以外每一个试图以“拯救巴勒斯坦人/叙利亚人/伊朗人”为纲领的政党都遭遇了灾难性的失败,这表明了这一点。马琳·勒庞甚至不得不将自己的父亲踢出国民阵线,因为巴勒斯坦/伊朗的事情正在杀死他们和法国选民。

    第三种投射更像是一种反投射,因为它源于犹太人无法根据普遍法则进行思考。
     
    犹太教 发明 普遍规律。基督徒和穆斯林从我们那里得到了它,甚至东方的人民也只是从他派到那里的亚伯拉罕的孩子们那里得知了它。

    但假设你是正确的,在目前的力量平衡和意志力下,俄罗斯无论有没有普京都不会从以色列手中拯救叙利亚。有人可能会问,普京为何决定前往叙利亚?
     
    为了拯救阿萨德政权。我并不是说普京无法保护阿萨德免遭推翻,而是说他无法“解放”巴勒斯坦而不付出他和俄罗斯人民都不愿意接受的代价。

    俄罗斯有办法在很短的时间内摧毁以色列或以色列境内的任何东西,并且俄罗斯有能力摧毁以色列90%的报复潜力,因此俄罗斯需要做的就是向以色列传达这样的信息:俄罗斯不会犹豫,俄罗斯是认真的。这样,球就落在了美国的手里。然后是美国人需要决定她是否愿意冒纽约的风险去迪莫纳或特拉维夫。
     
    1. 迪莫纳到底和什么有关系?
    2、俄罗斯用常规武器摧毁以色列的能力为0。没有任何。自 1970 世纪 XNUMX 年代以来,他们就没有这样的能力。俄罗斯摧毁以色列的唯一方法是发动核攻击。
    3. 这就引出了以色列的核理论,即“一经警告就发射核”。这意味着俄罗斯向以色列发射洲际弹道导弹的那一刻,杰里科就向乌拉尔以西的每个主要俄罗斯人口中心发射。俄罗斯最终将被其邻国瓜分,并不再作为一个国家存在。
    4. 俄罗斯对以色列的核攻击将辐射整个邻近地区,包括叙利亚和黎巴嫩的大部分地区。
    5.俄罗斯不是流氓国家。即使俄罗斯真的关心以色列,他们也不会先对以色列发动核打击,除非以色列攻击他们,而以色列当然不会这样做。
    6.普京并不是一个混蛋,因为他不同意你摧毁以色列的目标。普京的责任是俄罗斯的福祉,而不是满足西方亲俄派的幻想。

    普京和俄罗斯在叙利亚取得了巨大胜利。 20年后,美国将消失,俄罗斯将成为活跃在中东的唯一超级大国。他正在打一场持久战。碰巧他的议程不是你的议程。

    回复:@ Jon0815

    , @Thorfinnsson
    @乌图

    不是犹太人。

    除了基督教社区,特别是希腊人之外,不要关心叙利亚。

    反对干涉叙利亚,因为这对我们的国家利益不利。

    这就是说我确实钦佩阿斯曼。

    回复:@Greasy William

  210. @Daniel Chieh
    @German_reader

    她确实是个宝。我也计划很快在《文明 6》中制作《让我们来玩俄罗斯占领世界》。

    回复:@German_reader

    很好,请告诉我们您是否将其上传到某个地方。我确信 AK 会感兴趣 🙂

  211. @Greasy William
    @乌图

    因为像 99% 的非穆斯林一样,莱纳和阿纳托利并不真正关心叙利亚。他们两人都比大多数人更加支持叙利亚。

    面对现实:你所说或所做的一切都不会让人们关心叙利亚。俄罗斯不会把你从以色列手中拯救出来,无论是与普京一起,还是在普京去世后。没有哪个俄罗斯总统会因为与以色列进行核交锋而牺牲莫斯科和圣彼得堡以及天知道还有多少其他俄罗斯城市。

    ...

    关于 s-300:如果 s-300 供应给叙利亚,我怀疑它是否会被用来对付以色列飞机。以色列国防军通常发出克制的声音,现在真的非常非常希望与叙利亚和伊朗开战,即使不惜与俄罗斯发生直接冲突。

    俄罗斯将告诉阿萨德,他不能使用S-300对抗以色列飞机。如果阿萨德不理睬他,以色列将毫发无伤地销毁S-300电池,而俄罗斯则不会采取任何回应。

    回复:@ utu,@ Dmitry

    如果以色列继续每隔几周轰炸叙利亚一次,而且这些袭击的规模还在不断扩大,那么在某个阶段,以色列将会做出回应。对于今晚这样的爆炸之夜,克里姆林宫高层不可能继续假装什么都没发生。

    同时,首先会是口头谴责。

    象征性的反应是关闭城市中的以色列文化中心,这对俄罗斯不会产生任何负面影响——(这种情况在大约 15 年前就发生过)

    经济反应——限制对以色列的石油供应(会因失去市场份额而损害俄罗斯)。

    限制旅游业(就像2015年土耳其Su-24被击落后发生的那样)或终止免签证区,都会惹恼以色列和朝圣者。

    向叙利亚供应S-300——可能会在未来几年内导致某种爆炸事件(并需要外交回应)。因此,让叙利亚付出代价比免费提供更有意义。

    • 回复: @Greasy William
    @德米特里

    外交回应和开始核交锋是有区别的。我从未说过俄罗斯不会回应以色列,只是说他们不会发动一场种族灭绝性核战争,最终摧毁俄罗斯和以色列。

    回复:@Dmitry,@utu

  212. @utu
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    就像 99% 的非穆斯林 [...] 并不真正关心叙利亚
     
    在这一句话中,你做出了三种典型的犹太人的预测。

    第一个是,你作为一个犹太人(尽管据说是一个摇摇欲坠的犹太人)并不关心叙利亚,所以你把它投射到其他人身上。这种预测源于犹太人狭隘的思想。这并不影响犹太种族中最聪明的人,但显然会影响一些人,正如你刚才所证明的那样。

    第二个预测来自于你的假设,即当一个人仅通过血缘或宗教与之相关时,他/她就会关心某件事。这种预测源于犹太民族中心主义。你把一些种族中心主义投射到每个人身上。

    第三种投射更像是一种反投射,因为它源于犹太人无法根据普遍法则进行思考。犹太人的想象力无法想象出无论种族或宗教如何都适用的普遍正义。你无法想象一个非穆斯林、非阿拉伯人、非叙利亚人可能会关心叙利亚,不是因为他/她与叙利亚有任何联系,而是因为他/她与一些非常基本的普遍戒律和规则有某种联系,比如对称性和互易性定律。他/她也可以来自半人马座阿尔法星,或者他/她可以是一个抽象的人工智能引擎,是宇宙的最高领导者。你们许多犹太人显然仍然遵循青铜时代的道德准则,并且距离康德的第一和第二条绝对命令还差得很远。

    在接下来的句子中,你只会变得更糟。但假设你是正确的,在目前的力量平衡和意志力下,俄罗斯无论有没有普京都不会从以色列手中拯救叙利亚。有人可能会问,普京为何决定前往叙利亚?俄罗斯可能根本就没有拯救叙利亚的意图,此次出访只是为了获得一些筹码。但为了获得影响力,你必须假装你是认真的。在这场游戏中,俄罗斯必须让她的“伙伴”相信她愿意不惜一切代价。这就是莱纳·托尔出现的地方。

    在我之前与莱纳·托尔讨论时提出的评论中,莱纳·托尔建议俄罗斯应该展示实力,利用核武器威胁在叙利亚划定红线,我建议,与其在这一点上与美国对抗,不如先让以色列屈服。俄罗斯有办法在很短的时间内摧毁以色列或以色列境内的任何东西,并且俄罗斯有能力摧毁以色列90%的报复潜力,因此俄罗斯需要做的就是向以色列传达这样的信息:俄罗斯不会犹豫,俄罗斯是认真的。这样,球就落在了美国的手里。然后是美国人需要决定她是否愿意冒纽约的风险去迪莫纳或特拉维夫。

    杀鸡吓唬猴子。
     
    我刚刚改进了莱纳·托尔的想法,因为它会增加彻底毁灭之前决策链的长度,从而提高每个人的生存机会。但显然,解决以色列问题对于我们的库克维茨来说是一个太过遥远的提议。阿提拉,他不是。

    回复:@for-the-record、@Greasy William、@Thorfinnsson

    还有今晚的新闻:

    叙利亚军队:“敌方”火箭袭击袭击了两个军事基地

    据叙利亚国家电视台报道,叙利亚军队表示,“敌方”火箭弹袭击了叙利亚总统巴沙尔·阿萨德的军事基地。

    叙利亚消息人士称,周日晚上,叙利亚霍姆斯北部的一个军事基地发生爆炸。据一些报道称,以色列对此次袭击负责。

    报道称,数十名忠于叙利亚政权的人在袭击中丧生。

    叙利亚国家电视台称,哈马省连续发生爆炸,当局正在调查反应情况。爆炸发生后不久,欧洲-地中海地震中心表示,爆炸在该地区引发了2.6级地震。

    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/explosions-reported-in-assad-army-base-north-of-homs-syria-1.6035801

    • 回复: @Mitleser
    @作为记录

    以色列的军犬没有击中伊朗的任何目标吗?

    回复:@ for-the-record

    , @utu
    @作为记录

    俄罗斯媒体将如何报道这件事将会很有趣。会不会遭到舆论谴责?

    如果普京想成为一个大男孩,他必须向内塔尼亚胡宣读防暴法案。一切都可以保密,但普京的意愿(如果他有的话)必须明确传达,以便纳塔尼亚胡知道后果:(1)俄罗斯向整个叙利亚提供保护伞,(2)任何俄罗斯资产受到以色列领土上的核报复。

  213. @utu
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    就像 99% 的非穆斯林 [...] 并不真正关心叙利亚
     
    在这一句话中,你做出了三种典型的犹太人的预测。

    第一个是,你作为一个犹太人(尽管据说是一个摇摇欲坠的犹太人)并不关心叙利亚,所以你把它投射到其他人身上。这种预测源于犹太人狭隘的思想。这并不影响犹太种族中最聪明的人,但显然会影响一些人,正如你刚才所证明的那样。

    第二个预测来自于你的假设,即当一个人仅通过血缘或宗教与之相关时,他/她就会关心某件事。这种预测源于犹太民族中心主义。你把一些种族中心主义投射到每个人身上。

    第三种投射更像是一种反投射,因为它源于犹太人无法根据普遍法则进行思考。犹太人的想象力无法想象出无论种族或宗教如何都适用的普遍正义。你无法想象一个非穆斯林、非阿拉伯人、非叙利亚人可能会关心叙利亚,不是因为他/她与叙利亚有任何联系,而是因为他/她与一些非常基本的普遍戒律和规则有某种联系,比如对称性和互易性定律。他/她也可以来自半人马座阿尔法星,或者他/她可以是一个抽象的人工智能引擎,是宇宙的最高领导者。你们许多犹太人显然仍然遵循青铜时代的道德准则,并且距离康德的第一和第二条绝对命令还差得很远。

    在接下来的句子中,你只会变得更糟。但假设你是正确的,在目前的力量平衡和意志力下,俄罗斯无论有没有普京都不会从以色列手中拯救叙利亚。有人可能会问,普京为何决定前往叙利亚?俄罗斯可能根本就没有拯救叙利亚的意图,此次出访只是为了获得一些筹码。但为了获得影响力,你必须假装你是认真的。在这场游戏中,俄罗斯必须让她的“伙伴”相信她愿意不惜一切代价。这就是莱纳·托尔出现的地方。

    在我之前与莱纳·托尔讨论时提出的评论中,莱纳·托尔建议俄罗斯应该展示实力,利用核武器威胁在叙利亚划定红线,我建议,与其在这一点上与美国对抗,不如先让以色列屈服。俄罗斯有办法在很短的时间内摧毁以色列或以色列境内的任何东西,并且俄罗斯有能力摧毁以色列90%的报复潜力,因此俄罗斯需要做的就是向以色列传达这样的信息:俄罗斯不会犹豫,俄罗斯是认真的。这样,球就落在了美国的手里。然后是美国人需要决定她是否愿意冒纽约的风险去迪莫纳或特拉维夫。

    杀鸡吓唬猴子。
     
    我刚刚改进了莱纳·托尔的想法,因为它会增加彻底毁灭之前决策链的长度,从而提高每个人的生存机会。但显然,解决以色列问题对于我们的库克维茨来说是一个太过遥远的提议。阿提拉,他不是。

    回复:@for-the-record、@Greasy William、@Thorfinnsson

    第一个是你作为一个犹太人(尽管据说是一个摇摇欲坠的犹太人)不关心叙利亚,所以你把它投射到其他人身上

    1. 我 do 关心叙利亚。我恨它。
    2. 我不是一个“动摇的”犹太人,我什至不知道这意味着什么。
    3. 你是投射的人。走进现实世界并与一些真实的人交谈。在互联网之外,没有人会浪费时间思考叙利亚、伊朗或巴勒斯坦人。伊斯兰世界以外每一个试图以“拯救巴勒斯坦人/叙利亚人/伊朗人”为纲领的政党都遭遇了灾难性的失败,这表明了这一点。马琳·勒庞甚至不得不将自己的父亲踢出国民阵线,因为巴勒斯坦/伊朗的事情正在杀死他们和法国选民。

    第三种投射更像是一种反投射,因为它源于犹太人无法根据普遍法则进行思考。

    犹太教 发明 普遍规律。基督徒和穆斯林从我们那里得到了它,甚至东方的人民也只是从他派到那里的亚伯拉罕的孩子们那里得知了它。

    但假设你是正确的,在目前的力量平衡和意志力下,俄罗斯无论有没有普京都不会从以色列手中拯救叙利亚。有人可能会问,普京为何决定前往叙利亚?

    为了拯救阿萨德政权。我并不是说普京无法保护阿萨德免遭推翻,而是说他无法“解放”巴勒斯坦而不付出他和俄罗斯人民都不愿意接受的代价。

    俄罗斯有办法在很短的时间内摧毁以色列或以色列境内的任何东西,并且俄罗斯有能力摧毁以色列90%的报复潜力,因此俄罗斯需要做的就是向以色列传达这样的信息:俄罗斯不会犹豫,俄罗斯是认真的。这样,球就落在了美国的手里。然后是美国人需要决定她是否愿意冒纽约的风险去迪莫纳或特拉维夫。

    1. 迪莫纳到底和什么有关系?
    2、俄罗斯用常规武器摧毁以色列的能力为0。没有任何。自 1970 世纪 XNUMX 年代以来,他们就没有这样的能力。俄罗斯摧毁以色列的唯一方法是发动核攻击。
    3. 这就引出了以色列的核理论,即“一经警告就发射核”。这意味着俄罗斯向以色列发射洲际弹道导弹的那一刻,杰里科就向乌拉尔以西的每个主要俄罗斯人口中心发射。俄罗斯最终将被其邻国瓜分,并不再作为一个国家存在。
    4. 俄罗斯对以色列的核攻击将辐射整个邻近地区,包括叙利亚和黎巴嫩的大部分地区。
    5.俄罗斯不是流氓国家。即使俄罗斯真的关心以色列,他们也不会先对以色列发动核打击,除非以色列攻击他们,而以色列当然不会这样做。
    6.普京并不是一个混蛋,因为他不同意你摧毁以色列的目标。普京的责任是俄罗斯的福祉,而不是满足西方亲俄派的幻想。

    普京和俄罗斯在叙利亚取得了巨大胜利。 20年后,美国将消失,俄罗斯将成为活跃在中东的唯一超级大国。他正在打一场持久战。碰巧他的议程不是你的议程。

    • 回复: @Jon0815
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    3. 这就引出了以色列的核理论,即“一经警告就发射核”。这意味着俄罗斯向以色列发射洲际弹道导弹的那一刻,杰里科就向乌拉尔以西的每个主要俄罗斯人口中心发射。俄罗斯最终将被其邻国瓜分,并不再作为一个国家存在。
     
    以色列的杰里科洲际弹道导弹可能是针对伊朗或海洋(如美国和俄罗斯的武库),而不是俄罗斯。在俄罗斯导弹袭击之前以色列会发出几分钟的警告,但这并没有足够的时间将其杰里科重新瞄准俄罗斯。

    即使以色列在俄罗斯发动攻击之前确实将杰里科导弹瞄准了俄罗斯,俄罗斯也可以从黑海或地中海发射潜射弹道导弹,其飞行时间只有几分钟。即使以色列有可能在如此狭窄的时间内对俄罗斯城市发动反价值打击,但这样做也是疯狂的,并保证在不知道来袭的洲际弹道导弹是否是以色列人的情况下消灭以色列人民作为回应。反力或反价值罢工。

    但假设以色列确实设法发射了每一枚洲际弹道导弹,目的是杀死尽可能多的俄罗斯人。并进一步假设他们设法突破莫斯科的反导防御(不太可能)。这种可能无法执行的方案会导致最多约 15% 的俄罗斯人口死亡,类似于俄罗斯在二战中的损失。显然,这并没有摧毁俄罗斯。


    我从未说过俄罗斯不会回应以色列,只是说他们不会发动一场种族灭绝性核战争,最终摧毁俄罗斯和以色列。
     
    不,以色列不具备对抗俄罗斯的 MAD 能力,甚至相差甚远。在俄罗斯先发制人后,以色列在报复性打击中很难杀死俄罗斯1%的人口,而在以色列先发制人后,俄罗斯当然可以彻底摧毁以色列。
  214. @utu
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    就像 99% 的非穆斯林 [...] 并不真正关心叙利亚
     
    在这一句话中,你做出了三种典型的犹太人的预测。

    第一个是,你作为一个犹太人(尽管据说是一个摇摇欲坠的犹太人)并不关心叙利亚,所以你把它投射到其他人身上。这种预测源于犹太人狭隘的思想。这并不影响犹太种族中最聪明的人,但显然会影响一些人,正如你刚才所证明的那样。

    第二个预测来自于你的假设,即当一个人仅通过血缘或宗教与之相关时,他/她就会关心某件事。这种预测源于犹太民族中心主义。你把一些种族中心主义投射到每个人身上。

    第三种投射更像是一种反投射,因为它源于犹太人无法根据普遍法则进行思考。犹太人的想象力无法想象出无论种族或宗教如何都适用的普遍正义。你无法想象一个非穆斯林、非阿拉伯人、非叙利亚人可能会关心叙利亚,不是因为他/她与叙利亚有任何联系,而是因为他/她与一些非常基本的普遍戒律和规则有某种联系,比如对称性和互易性定律。他/她也可以来自半人马座阿尔法星,或者他/她可以是一个抽象的人工智能引擎,是宇宙的最高领导者。你们许多犹太人显然仍然遵循青铜时代的道德准则,并且距离康德的第一和第二条绝对命令还差得很远。

    在接下来的句子中,你只会变得更糟。但假设你是正确的,在目前的力量平衡和意志力下,俄罗斯无论有没有普京都不会从以色列手中拯救叙利亚。有人可能会问,普京为何决定前往叙利亚?俄罗斯可能根本就没有拯救叙利亚的意图,此次出访只是为了获得一些筹码。但为了获得影响力,你必须假装你是认真的。在这场游戏中,俄罗斯必须让她的“伙伴”相信她愿意不惜一切代价。这就是莱纳·托尔出现的地方。

    在我之前与莱纳·托尔讨论时提出的评论中,莱纳·托尔建议俄罗斯应该展示实力,利用核武器威胁在叙利亚划定红线,我建议,与其在这一点上与美国对抗,不如先让以色列屈服。俄罗斯有办法在很短的时间内摧毁以色列或以色列境内的任何东西,并且俄罗斯有能力摧毁以色列90%的报复潜力,因此俄罗斯需要做的就是向以色列传达这样的信息:俄罗斯不会犹豫,俄罗斯是认真的。这样,球就落在了美国的手里。然后是美国人需要决定她是否愿意冒纽约的风险去迪莫纳或特拉维夫。

    杀鸡吓唬猴子。
     
    我刚刚改进了莱纳·托尔的想法,因为它会增加彻底毁灭之前决策链的长度,从而提高每个人的生存机会。但显然,解决以色列问题对于我们的库克维茨来说是一个太过遥远的提议。阿提拉,他不是。

    回复:@for-the-record、@Greasy William、@Thorfinnsson

    不是犹太人。

    除了基督教社区,特别是希腊人之外,不要关心叙利亚。

    反对干涉叙利亚,因为这对我们的国家利益不利。

    这就是说我确实钦佩阿斯曼。

    • 回复: @Greasy William
    @托尔芬森


    这就是说我确实钦佩阿斯曼。
     
    我也做。他真是个坏蛋。
  215. @Dmitry
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    如果以色列继续每隔几周轰炸叙利亚一次,而且这些袭击的规模还在不断扩大,那么在某个阶段,以色列将会做出回应。对于今晚这样的爆炸之夜,克里姆林宫高层不可能继续假装什么都没发生。

    同时,首先会是口头谴责。

    象征性的反应是关闭城市中的以色列文化中心,这对俄罗斯不会产生任何负面影响 - (这在大约 15 年前就发生过)

    经济反应 - 限制对以色列的石油供应(会因失去市场份额而损害俄罗斯)。

    限制旅游业(就像2015年土耳其Su-24被击落后发生的那样)或终止免签证区,都会惹恼以色列和朝圣者。

    向叙利亚供应S-300 - 可能会在未来几年内导致某种爆炸事件(并需要外交回应)。因此,让叙利亚付出代价比免费提供更有意义。

    回复:@Greasy William

    外交回应和开始核交锋是有区别的。我从未说过俄罗斯不会回应以色列,只是说他们不会发动一场种族灭绝性核战争,最终摧毁俄罗斯和以色列。

    • 回复: @Dmitry
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    军事冲突发生在以色列和伊朗之间。

    俄罗斯是第三方,但由于各种承诺和现在的沉没成本,如果对以色列没有某种回应或表面上的回应,俄罗斯将面临各种尴尬和失去权威的风险。

    未来事件将发生的情况,将如您从上面两句话中所期望的那样发生。

    我想知道如果有人希望关闭以色列文化中心作为象征性的回应,它将如何运作。

    如果你读过历史上发生的事情。

    以色列在俄罗斯的文化中心于 2002 年因“技术原因”而关闭。经过6年的谈判,它们于2008年重新开放。作为回应,以色列最终允许俄罗斯在以色列开设一个(效率低得多的)俄罗斯文化中心,但该中心不提供任何有用的项目。

    双方显然都认为这些中心是间谍战的一部分,并拒绝向工作人员发放签证。

    , @utu
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    外交回应和开始核交锋是有区别的。
     
    显然外交回应不起作用。以色列没有列出或假装没有听到。行为不端的孩子在某些时候肯定会受到严厉惩罚的威胁。俄罗斯在叙利亚战区没有足够的常规力量来威慑以色列,这就是以色列试图挑衅和升级局势的原因。俄罗斯别无选择,只能以核打击威胁来威慑以色列。

    回复:@Greasy William

  216. @for-the-record
    @乌图

    还有今晚的新闻:


    叙利亚军队:“敌方”火箭袭击袭击了两个军事基地

    据叙利亚国家电视台报道,叙利亚军队表示,“敌方”火箭弹袭击了叙利亚总统巴沙尔·阿萨德的军事基地。

    叙利亚消息人士称,周日晚上,叙利亚霍姆斯北部的一个军事基地发生爆炸。据一些报道称,以色列对此次袭击负责。

    报道称,数十名忠于叙利亚政权的人在袭击中丧生。

    叙利亚国家电视台称,哈马省连续发生爆炸,当局正在调查反应情况。爆炸发生后不久,欧洲-地中海地震中心表示,爆炸在该地区引发了2.6级地震。

    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/explosions-reported-in-assad-army-base-north-of-homs-syria-1.6035801
     

    回复:@Mitleser、@utu

    以色列的军犬没有击中伊朗的任何目标吗?

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @米特勒

    以色列的军犬没有击中伊朗的任何目标吗?

    显然是的。


    以色列袭击后,巨大的火球照亮了叙利亚天空;据报道“数十名”伊朗士兵被杀

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-29/massive-fireballs-light-syrian-sky-after-israeli-strike-iranian-soliders-reportedly
     
  217. 爆炸发生后不久,欧洲-地中海地震中心表示,爆炸在该地区引发了2.6级地震。

    猜猜通常 100% 有效的叙利亚防空系统错过了这些 1970 年代的巡航导弹。

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    猜猜通常 100% 有效的叙利亚防空系统错过了这些 1970 年代的巡航导弹。

    他们就像新加坡的枪,指向错误的方向。

    回复:@reiner Tor

  218. 中国必须结束台湾分裂主义当局。

    台北(台湾新闻)—台北市市长柯文哲周六表示,台北市已与土耳其签署协议,将在台湾首都建造第三座清真寺,可容纳 50,000 万名穆斯林。

    该市第一座清真寺位于新生南路,靠近大安森林公园,周末庆祝其成立 58 周年。另一座清真寺位于新海路。

    该国本土穆斯林人口有限,但超过 100,000 万外籍工人来自以穆斯林为主的印度尼西亚。

    柯最近访问了土耳其,其间修建新清真寺的资金问题是一个重要话题。据中央通讯社报道,市长表示,首都周五与土耳其签署了一项协议,将为该建设项目铺平道路。

    https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3417126

    • 同意: Anatoly Karlin
    • 回复: @German_reader
    @米特勒

    台湾似乎真的很颓废,对同性恋的宽容,对原住民的肮脏和国民党的罪行的罪恶感,现在又包容外国穆斯林……也许如果中国大陆解决了这些问题真的会更好。

    回复:@for-the-record,@songbird

  219. @Mitleser
    @作为记录

    以色列的军犬没有击中伊朗的任何目标吗?

    回复:@ for-the-record

    以色列的军犬没有击中伊朗的任何目标吗?

    显然是的。

    以色列袭击后,巨大的火球照亮了叙利亚天空;据报道“数十名”伊朗士兵被杀

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-29/massive-fireballs-light-syrian-sky-after-israeli-strike-iranian-soliders-reportedly

  220. @Greasy William

    爆炸发生后不久,欧洲-地中海地震中心表示,爆炸在该地区引发了2.6级地震。
     
    猜猜通常 100% 有效的叙利亚防空系统错过了这些 1970 年代的巡航导弹。

    回复:@ for-the-record

    猜猜通常 100% 有效的叙利亚防空系统错过了这些 1970 年代的巡航导弹。

    他们就像新加坡的枪,指向错误的方向。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @作为记录

    更可能的解释是,14 月 XNUMX 日的防空系统是由俄罗斯人操作的,但在袭击发生后,又将其交还给了原来的叙利亚人员。

    回复:@ for-the-record

  221. 你必须了解以色列政治才能理解这些袭击。

    比比不惜一切代价想要和平。这些袭击是以色列国防军与 DM Lieberman 合作、违背内塔尼亚尤意愿而进行的,不是出于防御原因,而是为了挑起叙利亚和伊朗与以色列开战。这与以色列国防军在 1967 年违背当时以色列政府意愿所玩的游戏相同。

    这与以色列的正常情况相反。在与巴勒斯坦人的任何冲突中,总是政府想要战争,而以色列国防军则敦促克制。然而,在过去几年的某个时候,以色列国防军开始痴迷于尽快与叙利亚和伊朗开战。目前尚不清楚是什么导致了这一巨大变化,但这可能与伊朗在叙利亚的偏执有关。

    直到叙利亚内战爆发之前,以色列国防军一直向比比施加巨大压力,要求将戈兰高地归还给阿萨德,从而使叙利亚从伊朗分裂出去。这说明以色列国防军多么迫切地希望将伊朗排除在叙利亚之外。也许自从他们意识到没有外交途径可以让伊朗人离开叙利亚,他们就认为战争是最好的选择。

    至于为什么他们如此关心像伊朗这样的小国家在叙利亚,我不知道。不要要求我理解以色列国防军的想法,因为这通常是做不到的。

  222. @Mitleser
    中国必须结束台湾分裂主义当局。

    台北(台湾新闻)—台北市市长柯文哲周六表示,台北市已与土耳其签署协议,将在台湾首都建造第三座清真寺,可容纳 50,000 万名穆斯林。

    该市第一座清真寺位于新生南路,靠近大安森林公园,周末庆祝其成立 58 周年。另一座清真寺位于新海路。

    该国本土穆斯林人口有限,但超过 100,000 万外籍工人来自以穆斯林为主的印度尼西亚。

    柯最近访问了土耳其,其间修建新清真寺的资金问题是一个重要话题。据中央通讯社报道,市长表示,首都周五与土耳其签署了一项协议,将为该建设项目铺平道路。
     
    https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3417126

    回复:@German_reader

    台湾似乎真的很颓废,对同性恋的宽容,对原住民的恶劣和国民党的罪行的负罪感,现在又包容外国穆斯林……也许如果中国大陆能解决这个问题真的会更好。

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @German_reader

    以及国民党所指控的罪行,

    Alleged?


    Taiwan Turns Light on 1947 Slaughter by Chiang Kai-shek’s Troops

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/15/world/asia/taiwan-turns-light-on-1947-slaughter-by-chiang-kai-sheks-troops.html
     

    回复:@German_reader,@Thorfinnsson

    , @songbird
    @German_reader

    I wouldn't worry too much about the aborigines directly. There aren't that many in relation to the Han and they aren't really that alien in the way "your skin is your uniform." A worrisome sign though if you draw parallels to other countries like Canada or Australia though.

    Indonesian migration is a problem, IMO. Some people even call it a "back migration", since Austronesians supposedly set out from Taiwan and settled Indonesia. You would think the Chinese would be wary of them, since their experience with affirmative-action in Indonesia, but there probably is not a lot of honest communication between overseas and domestic Chinese, just as there wasn't between Americans and Europeans.

    回复:@German_reader

  223. @Thorfinnsson
    @乌图

    不是犹太人。

    除了基督教社区,特别是希腊人之外,不要关心叙利亚。

    反对干涉叙利亚,因为这对我们的国家利益不利。

    这就是说我确实钦佩阿斯曼。

    回复:@Greasy William

    这就是说我确实钦佩阿斯曼。

    I do too. He’s a total badass.

  224. @Greasy William
    @德米特里

    外交回应和开始核交锋是有区别的。我从未说过俄罗斯不会回应以色列,只是说他们不会发动一场种族灭绝性核战争,最终摧毁俄罗斯和以色列。

    回复:@Dmitry,@utu

    军事冲突发生在以色列和伊朗之间。

    Russia is third-party, but which – due to various commitments and now sunk costs – risks various embarrassment and loss of authority if there is not some kind of response or appearance of response to Israel.

    未来事件将发生的情况,将如您从上面两句话中所期望的那样发生。

    I’m wondering about how it would operate, if there was a desire to close the Israeli cultural centers as the symbolic response.

    如果你读过历史上发生的事情。

    The Israeli cultural centers in Russia were closed in 2002, for ‘technical reasons’. It took 6 years of negotiations, and they were re-opened in 2008. And in response Israel finally allowed Russia to open a (much less effective) Russian cultural center in Israel, which doesn’t offer any useful programs.

    双方显然都认为这些中心是间谍战的一部分,并拒绝向工作人员发放签证。

  225. @for-the-record
    @乌图

    还有今晚的新闻:


    叙利亚军队:“敌方”火箭袭击袭击了两个军事基地

    据叙利亚国家电视台报道,叙利亚军队表示,“敌方”火箭弹袭击了叙利亚总统巴沙尔·阿萨德的军事基地。

    叙利亚消息人士称,周日晚上,叙利亚霍姆斯北部的一个军事基地发生爆炸。据一些报道称,以色列对此次袭击负责。

    报道称,数十名忠于叙利亚政权的人在袭击中丧生。

    叙利亚国家电视台称,哈马省连续发生爆炸,当局正在调查反应情况。爆炸发生后不久,欧洲-地中海地震中心表示,爆炸在该地区引发了2.6级地震。

    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/explosions-reported-in-assad-army-base-north-of-homs-syria-1.6035801
     

    回复:@Mitleser、@utu

    俄罗斯媒体将如何报道这件事将会很有趣。会不会遭到舆论谴责?

    If Putin wants to be a big boy he must read the riot act to Netanyahu. It can be all hush hush but Putin’s will (if he has it) must be conveyed unambiguously so Natanyahu knows of consequences: (1) Russia extends protective umbrella over the whole Syria and (2) any Russia’s assets harmed nuclear retaliation on territory of Israel.

  226. @German_reader
    @米特勒

    台湾似乎真的很颓废,对同性恋的宽容,对原住民的肮脏和国民党的罪行的罪恶感,现在又包容外国穆斯林……也许如果中国大陆解决了这些问题真的会更好。

    回复:@for-the-record,@songbird

    以及国民党所指控的罪行,

    Alleged?

    Taiwan Turns Light on 1947 Slaughter by Chiang Kai-shek’s Troops

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/15/world/asia/taiwan-turns-light-on-1947-slaughter-by-chiang-kai-sheks-troops.html

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @作为记录

    Some bad things certainly happened and historians should research and write about that, but it seems quite decadent to me to make a big deal in national remembrance of it, that's merely adopting the Western cult of the victim. Besides, I just feel the Kuomintang were kind of the good guys (or at least the lesser evil) in the context of the times.

    , @Thorfinnsson
    @作为记录

    The 228 incident was not a crime.

    It was a necessary use of violence to suppress the only thing that passed for a legitimate government on Taiwan at the time, and it was instigated by petty nationalists (or splittists in Chinese terminology) and communists.

    In fact the immediate impetus for the uprising was...black market cigaretteers upset over being prosecuted by the state.

    回复:@ for-the-record

  227. @Greasy William
    @德米特里

    外交回应和开始核交锋是有区别的。我从未说过俄罗斯不会回应以色列,只是说他们不会发动一场种族灭绝性核战争,最终摧毁俄罗斯和以色列。

    回复:@Dmitry,@utu

    外交回应和开始核交锋是有区别的。

    Apparently diplomatic responses do not work. Israel does not listed or pretends that it does not hear. A misbehaving child must be at some point threatened with a severe punishment. Russia does not have enough conventional power in the Syrian theater to deter Israel that’s why Israel is trying to provoke and escalate. Russia has no other choice but to deter Israel with the threat of nuclear strike.

    • 回复: @Greasy William
    @乌图


    Russia has no other choice but to deter Israel with the threat of nuclear strike.
     
    Only according to your priorities. No more than a handful of Russians are willing to commit suicide to protect Syria and Iran. Nothing you ever say will change that.

    回复:@utu

  228. @for-the-record
    @German_reader

    以及国民党所指控的罪行,

    Alleged?


    Taiwan Turns Light on 1947 Slaughter by Chiang Kai-shek’s Troops

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/15/world/asia/taiwan-turns-light-on-1947-slaughter-by-chiang-kai-sheks-troops.html
     

    回复:@German_reader,@Thorfinnsson

    Some bad things certainly happened and historians should research and write about that, but it seems quite decadent to me to make a big deal in national remembrance of it, that’s merely adopting the Western cult of the victim. Besides, I just feel the Kuomintang were kind of the good guys (or at least the lesser evil) in the context of the times.

  229. @utu
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    外交回应和开始核交锋是有区别的。
     
    显然外交回应不起作用。以色列没有列出或假装没有听到。行为不端的孩子在某些时候肯定会受到严厉惩罚的威胁。俄罗斯在叙利亚战区没有足够的常规力量来威慑以色列,这就是以色列试图挑衅和升级局势的原因。俄罗斯别无选择,只能以核打击威胁来威慑以色列。

    回复:@Greasy William

    Russia has no other choice but to deter Israel with the threat of nuclear strike.

    Only according to your priorities. No more than a handful of Russians are willing to commit suicide to protect Syria and Iran. Nothing you ever say will change that.

    • 回复: @utu
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    No more than a handful of Russians are willing to commit suicide to protect Syria and Iran.
     
    Again you are not getting the law of symmetry. You think that Jews are exempt form it? How many Israelis are willing to commit suicide by insisting to have the right to bomb anything they like in Syria at will? Do you really believe that Russians will just walk away or look the other way while Israel is bombing Syria any time it wants? If Putin decides to draw a line everything will be OK. Nobody will have to die and nobody will have to commit suicide if only Israel stops bombing Syria. Don't you get it that it is really up to you.

    回复:@reiner Tor

  230. Besides, I just feel the Kuomintang were kind of the good guys (or at least the lesser evil) in the context of the times.

    The more I read about the KMT and their activities, unfortunately the less sure I am of this.

    Also, one needs to keep in mind that “Taiwanese” have a separate issue with the KMT, as they effectively saw one heavy-handed colonial ruler replaced by another. Local languages were suppressed for decades, something which even the Japanese hadn’t done.

    During the postwar period, the Kuomintang (KMT) administration on Taiwan was repressive and extremely corrupt compared with the previous Japanese rule, leading to local discontent. Anti-mainlander violence flared on 28 February 1947, prompted by an incident in which a cigarette seller was injured and a passerby was indiscriminately shot dead by Nationalist authorities.[81] During the ensuing crackdown by the KMT administration in what became known as the February 28 Incident, tens of thousands of people were killed or arrested, and the incident became a taboo topic of discussion for the entire martial law era.

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @作为记录


    Local languages were suppressed for decades, something which even the Japanese hadn’t done.
     
    I thought the Japanese had strong assimilationist policies during the colonial era (basically wanting to turn Koreans and Taiwanese into some kind of Japanese), so it surprises me the Kuomintang are supposed to have been 更坏...but I can't exactly claim to be that well-informed about the issue.
    Anyway, I'm not in favour of covering up historical crimes, but given similar phenomena in Western countries (e.g. the Spanish left and its obsession with the civil war which seems rather vindictive to me) I'm deeply suspicious of organized politics of memory.

    回复:@ utu,@ Daniel Chieh

    , @Thorfinnsson
    @作为记录

    Local languages are loser languages and should be gotten rid of.

    , @reiner Tor
    @作为记录


    The more I read about the KMT and their activities, unfortunately the less sure I am of this.
     
    It's enough to recognize that Mao was more horrible for China.
  231. @German_reader
    @米特勒

    台湾似乎真的很颓废,对同性恋的宽容,对原住民的肮脏和国民党的罪行的罪恶感,现在又包容外国穆斯林……也许如果中国大陆解决了这些问题真的会更好。

    回复:@for-the-record,@songbird

    I wouldn’t worry too much about the aborigines directly. There aren’t that many in relation to the Han and they aren’t really that alien in the way “your skin is your uniform.” A worrisome sign though if you draw parallels to other countries like Canada or Australia though.

    Indonesian migration is a problem, IMO. Some people even call it a “back migration”, since Austronesians supposedly set out from Taiwan and settled Indonesia. You would think the Chinese would be wary of them, since their experience with affirmative-action in Indonesia, but there probably is not a lot of honest communication between overseas and domestic Chinese, just as there wasn’t between Americans and Europeans.

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @鸣禽


    You would think the Chinese would be wary of them, since their experience with affirmative-action in Indonesia
     
    Even I can vaguely remember how they had pogroms against Chinese in Indonesia in the late 1990s, it's weird if Chinese aren't influenced by that in their perceptions of Indonesia.
  232. @for-the-record
    Besides, I just feel the Kuomintang were kind of the good guys (or at least the lesser evil) in the context of the times.

    The more I read about the KMT and their activities, unfortunately the less sure I am of this.

    Also, one needs to keep in mind that "Taiwanese" have a separate issue with the KMT, as they effectively saw one heavy-handed colonial ruler replaced by another. Local languages were suppressed for decades, something which even the Japanese hadn't done.

    During the postwar period, the Kuomintang (KMT) administration on Taiwan was repressive and extremely corrupt compared with the previous Japanese rule, leading to local discontent. Anti-mainlander violence flared on 28 February 1947, prompted by an incident in which a cigarette seller was injured and a passerby was indiscriminately shot dead by Nationalist authorities.[81] During the ensuing crackdown by the KMT administration in what became known as the February 28 Incident, tens of thousands of people were killed or arrested, and the incident became a taboo topic of discussion for the entire martial law era.
     

    Replies: @German_reader, @Thorfinnsson, @reiner Tor

    Local languages were suppressed for decades, something which even the Japanese hadn’t done.

    I thought the Japanese had strong assimilationist policies during the colonial era (basically wanting to turn Koreans and Taiwanese into some kind of Japanese), so it surprises me the Kuomintang are supposed to have been 更坏…but I can’t exactly claim to be that well-informed about the issue.
    Anyway, I’m not in favour of covering up historical crimes, but given similar phenomena in Western countries (e.g. the Spanish left and its obsession with the civil war which seems rather vindictive to me) I’m deeply suspicious of organized politics of memory.

    • 回复: @utu
    @German_reader

    It was Kuomintang that blew it with their grandiose insistence that they represented the whole China (yes, they were egged on by the US). When the mainland China was weak Taiwan had a chance of becoming an independent country and could get international recognition if only Kuomintang stepped aside and let the pre-Kuomintang Chinese who were more loyal to Japan than China and the native population rule. Now it is too late.

    回复:@ Mitleser,@ Daniel Chieh

    , @Daniel Chieh
    @German_reader

    The Co-Prosperity Sphere was supposed to be assimilationist, but the Japanese rule in pretty much everywhere except Taiwan was incredibly brutal. There's a couple of American reviews on Korea, for example, which pretty much established that North and Southern Koreans were perfectly happy to put aside their significant differences if they could kill Japanese soldiers.

    For a variety of reasons, Japanese rule in Taiwan was much more established and therefore they were able to utilize less brutal measures, but they also replaced local languages with Japanese education. Taiwan was supposed to be a kind of showcase colony to demonstrate the presumed benevolence of the Imperial Japanese as well to future members. It was enough for them to run a loss, since its purpose was to encourage other future colonies to give up peacefully.

    The KMT, on the other hand, needed to establish order and setup for economic stability while dealing with the very real dual threat of invasion from the mainland and internal sympathizers to the Communists. As I mentioned before, whatever the KMT crimes might have been, they had goals which they needed to establish. Its hard to see what the TaiDu rivals wanted to accomplish, then or now. TaiDu has been in power for some time, and as far as I can see, they've only accomplished in simultaneously provoking China while making no serious efforts at either political or military resistance.

    As far as I can tell, their greatest accomplishment has been to elect a cat lady to be their leader.

    Tsai is unmarried and has no children. Tsai is known to be a cat lover, and her two cats, "Think Think" and "Ah Tsai", featured prominently in her election campaign. In October 2016, she adopted three retired guide dogs, named Bella, Bunny and Maru.
     

    The KMT descendants remain the overwhelming majority of the military as well, while the non-KMT politicians are the ones agitating to get an invasion from China. There is this entire scenario of simultaneous idiocy and cowardice that I can't really forgive.

    回复:@songbird

  233. @songbird
    @German_reader

    I wouldn't worry too much about the aborigines directly. There aren't that many in relation to the Han and they aren't really that alien in the way "your skin is your uniform." A worrisome sign though if you draw parallels to other countries like Canada or Australia though.

    Indonesian migration is a problem, IMO. Some people even call it a "back migration", since Austronesians supposedly set out from Taiwan and settled Indonesia. You would think the Chinese would be wary of them, since their experience with affirmative-action in Indonesia, but there probably is not a lot of honest communication between overseas and domestic Chinese, just as there wasn't between Americans and Europeans.

    回复:@German_reader

    You would think the Chinese would be wary of them, since their experience with affirmative-action in Indonesia

    Even I can vaguely remember how they had pogroms against Chinese in Indonesia in the late 1990s, it’s weird if Chinese aren’t influenced by that in their perceptions of Indonesia.

  234. @for-the-record
    @German_reader

    以及国民党所指控的罪行,

    Alleged?


    Taiwan Turns Light on 1947 Slaughter by Chiang Kai-shek’s Troops

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/15/world/asia/taiwan-turns-light-on-1947-slaughter-by-chiang-kai-sheks-troops.html
     

    回复:@German_reader,@Thorfinnsson

    The 228 incident was not a crime.

    It was a necessary use of violence to suppress the only thing that passed for a legitimate government on Taiwan at the time, and it was instigated by petty nationalists (or splittists in Chinese terminology) and communists.

    In fact the immediate impetus for the uprising was…black market cigaretteers upset over being prosecuted by the state.

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @托尔芬森

    In fact the immediate impetus for the uprising was…black market cigaretteers upset over being prosecuted by the state.

    You mean like the Boston Tea Party?

    回复:@Thorfinnsson

  235. @Thorfinnsson
    @作为记录

    The 228 incident was not a crime.

    It was a necessary use of violence to suppress the only thing that passed for a legitimate government on Taiwan at the time, and it was instigated by petty nationalists (or splittists in Chinese terminology) and communists.

    In fact the immediate impetus for the uprising was...black market cigaretteers upset over being prosecuted by the state.

    回复:@ for-the-record

    In fact the immediate impetus for the uprising was…black market cigaretteers upset over being prosecuted by the state.

    You mean like the Boston Tea Party?

    • 回复: @Thorfinnsson
    @作为记录

    是的。

    Most of the stated reasons for the American Revolution were bullshit.

  236. @for-the-record
    Besides, I just feel the Kuomintang were kind of the good guys (or at least the lesser evil) in the context of the times.

    The more I read about the KMT and their activities, unfortunately the less sure I am of this.

    Also, one needs to keep in mind that "Taiwanese" have a separate issue with the KMT, as they effectively saw one heavy-handed colonial ruler replaced by another. Local languages were suppressed for decades, something which even the Japanese hadn't done.

    During the postwar period, the Kuomintang (KMT) administration on Taiwan was repressive and extremely corrupt compared with the previous Japanese rule, leading to local discontent. Anti-mainlander violence flared on 28 February 1947, prompted by an incident in which a cigarette seller was injured and a passerby was indiscriminately shot dead by Nationalist authorities.[81] During the ensuing crackdown by the KMT administration in what became known as the February 28 Incident, tens of thousands of people were killed or arrested, and the incident became a taboo topic of discussion for the entire martial law era.
     

    Replies: @German_reader, @Thorfinnsson, @reiner Tor

    Local languages are loser languages and should be gotten rid of.

  237. @for-the-record
    @托尔芬森

    In fact the immediate impetus for the uprising was…black market cigaretteers upset over being prosecuted by the state.

    You mean like the Boston Tea Party?

    回复:@Thorfinnsson

    是的。

    Most of the stated reasons for the American Revolution were bullshit.

  238. Local languages are loser languages and should be gotten rid of.

    Than if Taiwanese Hokkien with its 15 million native speakers is to be gotten rid of, what fate do you suggest for Swedish?

    • 回复: @Greasy William
    @作为记录

    why are you taking Taiwan's side?

    回复:@ for-the-record

    , @Thorfinnsson
    @作为记录

    Sweden has been an independent state for its entire history (Kalmar Union was a personal union) and Sweden has made great contributions to the world.

    That said I support a Nordic federation of Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Norway, Iceland, and Estonia. Each country would continue to have its own language but English would be the lingua franca.

    Alternatively the Nazi scheme to subsume the Scandinavian countries into Greater Germany doesn't seem like a bad idea.

  239. @for-the-record
    Local languages are loser languages and should be gotten rid of.

    Than if Taiwanese Hokkien with its 15 million native speakers is to be gotten rid of, what fate do you suggest for Swedish?

    回复:@Greasy William,@ Thorfinnsson

    why are you taking Taiwan’s side?

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    why are you taking Taiwan’s side?

    1. I like local languages and culture.

    2. Not very enthusiastic about the KMT, which is not "native" to Taiwan, I am sympathetic to those who complain about what happened in the not-too-distant past.

    On the other hand, I have nothing against the "reunification" of Taiwan with the mainland, indeed can see certain aspects where this might well be advantageous.

  240. @Greasy William
    @乌图


    Russia has no other choice but to deter Israel with the threat of nuclear strike.
     
    Only according to your priorities. No more than a handful of Russians are willing to commit suicide to protect Syria and Iran. Nothing you ever say will change that.

    回复:@utu

    No more than a handful of Russians are willing to commit suicide to protect Syria and Iran.

    Again you are not getting the law of symmetry. You think that Jews are exempt form it? How many Israelis are willing to commit suicide by insisting to have the right to bomb anything they like in Syria at will? Do you really believe that Russians will just walk away or look the other way while Israel is bombing Syria any time it wants? If Putin decides to draw a line everything will be OK. Nobody will have to die and nobody will have to commit suicide if only Israel stops bombing Syria. Don’t you get it that it is really up to you.

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @乌图

    There's no symmetry, because they have bombed Syria for so long that it's now the status quo. You can say that it's not fair that they have been bombing Syria with impunity, but it's also not fair that Neanderthals are extinct or what I complained about in the other thread that Czechoslovakia got 100% ethnically Hungarian areas (still the best arable land in Slovakia) and then deported many of them (including some of my relatives) in 1945 because they were disloyal. It's also unfair that I was poorer than you when growing up and my parents only had a Wartburg when your parents as Americans undoubtedly had a huge V6 or V8 engined car or truck and a bigger house. Oh, of course it's also unfair that I was richer than the vast majority of African children - they didn't have enough to , and probably thought that it's only soldiers and presidents who have cars. In fact, I was richer than the majority of Hungarian children - a lot of them were cramped into smaller (occasionally much smaller) apartments than us.

    Life is unfair.

    Now that we've established that Israel has been there bombing Syria, we know that they would call your bluff. Except, of course, in your case it wouldn't be bluff because (as you wrote) you'd be delighted if there was a nuclear war between Russia and Israel.

    Since unlike you I don't want a nuclear war, I would set my goals and red lines so that there's a very good chance others would respect them. And only then would I be willing to die or go down fighting for those goals and red lines.

  241. @German_reader
    @作为记录


    Local languages were suppressed for decades, something which even the Japanese hadn’t done.
     
    I thought the Japanese had strong assimilationist policies during the colonial era (basically wanting to turn Koreans and Taiwanese into some kind of Japanese), so it surprises me the Kuomintang are supposed to have been 更坏...but I can't exactly claim to be that well-informed about the issue.
    Anyway, I'm not in favour of covering up historical crimes, but given similar phenomena in Western countries (e.g. the Spanish left and its obsession with the civil war which seems rather vindictive to me) I'm deeply suspicious of organized politics of memory.

    回复:@ utu,@ Daniel Chieh

    It was Kuomintang that blew it with their grandiose insistence that they represented the whole China (yes, they were egged on by the US). When the mainland China was weak Taiwan had a chance of becoming an independent country and could get international recognition if only Kuomintang stepped aside and let the pre-Kuomintang Chinese who were more loyal to Japan than China and the native population rule. Now it is too late.

    • 回复: @Mitleser
    @乌图

    That is not a problem for the KMT.
    They would not mind closer ties to the PRC.

    回复:@utu

    , @Daniel Chieh
    @乌图

    It wasn't ever realistic to become part of Japan(and post-war Japan was not about to get any more territory), and the pre-KMT Chinese are the ones in TaiDu now running around and being idiots. Its not really like they're doing anything useful nor did it really seem like they ever had a plan.

    KMT had their faults - overt ambition and a bullheaded refusal to give up on taking over the mainland among them, but at least they didn't think that they could gain independence through supporting same-sex marriage and other complete nonsequitors which presumably will bring "international attention." The degree of "not a serious country" and utter divorce from reality is hard to comprehend.

    回复:@utu

  242. @reiner Tor
    @乌图


    考虑一下伊朗革命是有人策划的可能性
     
    削弱伊朗的一个更简单的方法就是不向伊朗提供当时最先进的武器和核技术。

    当时的伊朗似乎距离以色列还很远,而且对那些距离以色列较近的阿拉伯国家(尤其是伊拉克)有着天生的敌意,而这些国家的敌意也是不可调和的。革命本身使伊朗对以色列怀有敌意。

    所以这是一个没有任何证据甚至动机的阴谋论。

    回复:@Dmitry、@Anon、@utu、@yevardian

    I don’t have an opinion one way or the other, but a very large number of Iranians believe this theory, from all sections of society. Curiously, Israel was the only major country in the world supporting them during the Imposed War. The motive is easy: enemies mutually destroying each other. Don’t forget Israel nurtured Hamas for decades.

    Iran was becoming increasingly hostile towards Israel and independent of America in the Shah’s later years. The notion does have legs.

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @yevardian

    Okay, I cannot claim to be knowledgeable enough about the issue, so maybe you guys do have a point.

  243. @for-the-record
    Local languages are loser languages and should be gotten rid of.

    Than if Taiwanese Hokkien with its 15 million native speakers is to be gotten rid of, what fate do you suggest for Swedish?

    回复:@Greasy William,@ Thorfinnsson

    Sweden has been an independent state for its entire history (Kalmar Union was a personal union) and Sweden has made great contributions to the world.

    That said I support a Nordic federation of Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Norway, Iceland, and Estonia. Each country would continue to have its own language but English would be the lingua franca.

    Alternatively the Nazi scheme to subsume the Scandinavian countries into Greater Germany doesn’t seem like a bad idea.

  244. Coming apart

  245. How many Israelis are willing to commit suicide by insisting to have the right to bomb anything they like in Syria at will?

    About 85% of Israeli Jews.

    Do you really believe that Russians will just walk away or look the other way while Israel is bombing Syria any time it wants?

    If the only alternative is launching a nuclear war that will end Russia as a state? Yes. Absolutely.

    Don’t you get it that it is really up to you.

    It’s up to Putin, not us. We’ve already drawn a line in the sand: No Iranians in Syria. That line has been violated but we have no invaded and will not invade. We will continue to strike at them wherever and whenever we want, however. We are anxious and willing to do so in a way that doesn’t jeopardize Russian personnel and without threatening the security of the Assad regime. If that’s not good enough for Russia and they want to start a nuclear war over it, that’s on them.

    • 回复: @AaronB
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    Greasy, you know you're talking nonsense :)

    Israel can barely handle a few casualties in Gaza. It's very risk averse.

    I know this Jewish tactic well - pretend you're crazy, with lots of bravado. Back down when it doesnt work, however humiliating. There's a reason Jews survived two thousand years of exile - you're not the heroic type. Jews think long term. Survival is worth any humiliation in Jewish thinking - you will grovel at Putin's knees before risking annihilation.

    I'm not trying to insult Jews here - it's just a different kind of culture, tough and tenacious in its own way, but not descended from the knightly-aristocratic European culture, and not ashamed to plead for its life.

    I do appreciate the show you're putting on, though :)

    I don't think you have anything to worry about, because I don't think Putin is likely to threaten Israel with annihilation.

    , @utu
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    It’s up to Putin, not us. We’ve already drawn a line in the sand: No Iranians in Syria. That line has been violated but we have no invaded and will not invade. We will continue to strike at them wherever and whenever we want, however. We are anxious and willing to do so in a way that doesn’t jeopardize Russian personnel and without threatening the security of the Assad regime.
     
    Syria is a sovereign state and under no international law Israel has any right to impose conditions on who Syria invites in to help her fight the civil war. Furthermore Israel was not neutral in this war by providing refuge, support and medical care to rebels and engaged in bombing of one of Syria allies. Case is closed. Israel is in the wrong. Russia on the other hand by the rule of international law can draw a line and threaten Israel for violating Syria sovereignty by conducting military strike on Syria territory.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    This is a stupid debate. Greasy is of course right.

    Well, I don't know if he's right on Israel, but he's right on Russia in this case. A minority would fight a nuclear war over Donbass. A negligible percentage would fight a nuclear war over Syria. And the only man in Russia who would fight a nuclear war over Syria, but not over Donbass, is Israel Shamir.

    I mostly certainly don't want to fight a nuclear war over a training arena for the Russian Air Force.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @utu, @Dmitry, @reiner Tor

  246. @utu
    @German_reader

    It was Kuomintang that blew it with their grandiose insistence that they represented the whole China (yes, they were egged on by the US). When the mainland China was weak Taiwan had a chance of becoming an independent country and could get international recognition if only Kuomintang stepped aside and let the pre-Kuomintang Chinese who were more loyal to Japan than China and the native population rule. Now it is too late.

    回复:@ Mitleser,@ Daniel Chieh

    That is not a problem for the KMT.
    They would not mind closer ties to the PRC.

    • 回复: @utu
    @米特勒

    I know that is not a problem for KMT but they blew it for Taiwan.

    回复:@Mitleser

  247. @Mitleser
    @乌图

    That is not a problem for the KMT.
    They would not mind closer ties to the PRC.

    回复:@utu

    I know that is not a problem for KMT but they blew it for Taiwan.

    • 回复: @Mitleser
    @乌图

    Why let their opponents win everything?

    https://twitter.com/Future_Cities/status/940184192046043136

    The KMT has never wanted an independent Taiwan.

    回复:@songbird

  248. @Greasy William

    How many Israelis are willing to commit suicide by insisting to have the right to bomb anything they like in Syria at will?
     
    About 85% of Israeli Jews.

    Do you really believe that Russians will just walk away or look the other way while Israel is bombing Syria any time it wants?

     

    If the only alternative is launching a nuclear war that will end Russia as a state? Yes. Absolutely.

    Don’t you get it that it is really up to you.
     
    It's up to Putin, not us. We've already drawn a line in the sand: No Iranians in Syria. That line has been violated but we have no invaded and will not invade. We will continue to strike at them wherever and whenever we want, however. We are anxious and willing to do so in a way that doesn't jeopardize Russian personnel and without threatening the security of the Assad regime. If that's not good enough for Russia and they want to start a nuclear war over it, that's on them.

    Replies: @AaronB, @utu, @Anatoly Karlin

    Greasy, you know you’re talking nonsense 🙂

    Israel can barely handle a few casualties in Gaza. It’s very risk averse.

    I know this Jewish tactic well – pretend you’re crazy, with lots of bravado. Back down when it doesnt work, however humiliating. There’s a reason Jews survived two thousand years of exile – you’re not the heroic type. Jews think long term. Survival is worth any humiliation in Jewish thinking – you will grovel at Putin’s knees before risking annihilation.

    I’m not trying to insult Jews here – it’s just a different kind of culture, tough and tenacious in its own way, but not descended from the knightly-aristocratic European culture, and not ashamed to plead for its life.

    I do appreciate the show you’re putting on, though 🙂

    I don’t think you have anything to worry about, because I don’t think Putin is likely to threaten Israel with annihilation.

  249. @Greasy William

    How many Israelis are willing to commit suicide by insisting to have the right to bomb anything they like in Syria at will?
     
    About 85% of Israeli Jews.

    Do you really believe that Russians will just walk away or look the other way while Israel is bombing Syria any time it wants?

     

    If the only alternative is launching a nuclear war that will end Russia as a state? Yes. Absolutely.

    Don’t you get it that it is really up to you.
     
    It's up to Putin, not us. We've already drawn a line in the sand: No Iranians in Syria. That line has been violated but we have no invaded and will not invade. We will continue to strike at them wherever and whenever we want, however. We are anxious and willing to do so in a way that doesn't jeopardize Russian personnel and without threatening the security of the Assad regime. If that's not good enough for Russia and they want to start a nuclear war over it, that's on them.

    Replies: @AaronB, @utu, @Anatoly Karlin

    It’s up to Putin, not us. We’ve already drawn a line in the sand: No Iranians in Syria. That line has been violated but we have no invaded and will not invade. We will continue to strike at them wherever and whenever we want, however. We are anxious and willing to do so in a way that doesn’t jeopardize Russian personnel and without threatening the security of the Assad regime.

    Syria is a sovereign state and under no international law Israel has any right to impose conditions on who Syria invites in to help her fight the civil war. Furthermore Israel was not neutral in this war by providing refuge, support and medical care to rebels and engaged in bombing of one of Syria allies. Case is closed. Israel is in the wrong. Russia on the other hand by the rule of international law can draw a line and threaten Israel for violating Syria sovereignty by conducting military strike on Syria territory.

  250. @Greasy William

    How many Israelis are willing to commit suicide by insisting to have the right to bomb anything they like in Syria at will?
     
    About 85% of Israeli Jews.

    Do you really believe that Russians will just walk away or look the other way while Israel is bombing Syria any time it wants?

     

    If the only alternative is launching a nuclear war that will end Russia as a state? Yes. Absolutely.

    Don’t you get it that it is really up to you.
     
    It's up to Putin, not us. We've already drawn a line in the sand: No Iranians in Syria. That line has been violated but we have no invaded and will not invade. We will continue to strike at them wherever and whenever we want, however. We are anxious and willing to do so in a way that doesn't jeopardize Russian personnel and without threatening the security of the Assad regime. If that's not good enough for Russia and they want to start a nuclear war over it, that's on them.

    Replies: @AaronB, @utu, @Anatoly Karlin

    This is a stupid debate. Greasy is of course right.

    Well, I don’t know if he’s right on Israel, but he’s right on Russia in this case. A minority would fight a nuclear war over Donbass. A negligible percentage would fight a nuclear war over Syria. And the only man in Russia who would fight a nuclear war over Syria, but not over Donbass, is Israel Shamir.

    I mostly certainly don’t want to fight a nuclear war over a training arena for the Russian Air Force.

    • 回复: @Greasy William
    @Anatoly卡琳

    How do you think Russians would feel about the way that western Russophiles feel that Russia is morally obligated to launch a nuclear attack on Israel because Israel killed some Iranians?

    On Southfront, the Russian posters are becoming increasingly frustrated with the ingratitude of their Arab and Russophile allies.

    For the record, I have never talked about attacking Russian soldiers or toppling Assad and nobody in Israel is talking about that either.

    ...

    As a Jew, I hope for friendship with Russia and the Russian people and am willing to give very much to bring that about. But as for the Russophiles, not one shall remain alive.

    阿门。

    ...


    I know this Jewish tactic well – pretend you’re crazy, with lots of bravado.
     
    Jews have a tendency to fear their own shadows but I can't think of any case of them pretending otherwise. You are hallucinating.

    However, when Jews are threatened with annihilation and proceed to return to G-d, they cannot be intimidated. Read the Torah.

    Replies: @AaronB, @reiner Tor, @Felix Keverich

    , @utu
    @Anatoly卡琳

    Nobody wants to fight a nuclear war. But you have to be ready. If you are not you have already lost.

    回复:@utu

    , @Dmitry
    @Anatoly卡琳

    It's Iran which is going to respond, or not, physically for the attacks - (or through Hezbollah, Iran).

    Predicting the response of Kremlin leadership is more complicated, and there will probably be different points of view there, from seeing Israel's attacks as a humiliation that needs a reaction, to seeing attacks as an opportunity to increase influence in Syria.

    Also in relation to war between Iran and Israel - in some sense Russia is in a parallel position on the board as in relation to the Armenia vs Azerbaijan conflict. Although with differences, such as that Israel is more firmly in an American, enemy, camp, than Azerbaijan is yet. And the scale of the war between these two would be a far larger war, and less desirable even for third-players (although the increase in oil price would not be bad).

    , @reiner Tor
    @Anatoly卡琳


    A minority would fight a nuclear war over Donbass. A negligible percentage would fight a nuclear war over Syria. And the only man in Russia who would fight a nuclear war over Syria, but not over Donbass, is Israel Shamir.
     
    As I wrote, from a game theory viewpoint, those who are not willing to wage a nuclear war over more trivial issues will be condemned to wage them over their lives.

    That said, other than utu (who - as he wrote - would be delighted at the thought of a nuclear war between Israel and Russia), I don't think it'd be sensible to go to the nuclear brink over Israel bombing Syria.

    I do think that Israel's bad habit of bombing Syria needs to be broken (and perhaps longer term, after Assad's victory, Iran's presence in Syria should be reduced?), but it takes patience and certainly nuclear brinkmanship is not the way to do it.
  251. @Anatoly Karlin
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    This is a stupid debate. Greasy is of course right.

    Well, I don't know if he's right on Israel, but he's right on Russia in this case. A minority would fight a nuclear war over Donbass. A negligible percentage would fight a nuclear war over Syria. And the only man in Russia who would fight a nuclear war over Syria, but not over Donbass, is Israel Shamir.

    I mostly certainly don't want to fight a nuclear war over a training arena for the Russian Air Force.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @utu, @Dmitry, @reiner Tor

    How do you think Russians would feel about the way that western Russophiles feel that Russia is morally obligated to launch a nuclear attack on Israel because Israel killed some Iranians?

    On Southfront, the Russian posters are becoming increasingly frustrated with the ingratitude of their Arab and Russophile allies.

    For the record, I have never talked about attacking Russian soldiers or toppling Assad and nobody in Israel is talking about that either.

    ...

    As a Jew, I hope for friendship with Russia and the Russian people and am willing to give very much to bring that about. But as for the Russophiles, not one shall remain alive.

    阿门。

    ...

    I know this Jewish tactic well – pretend you’re crazy, with lots of bravado.

    Jews have a tendency to fear their own shadows but I can’t think of any case of them pretending otherwise. You are hallucinating.

    However, when Jews are threatened with annihilation and proceed to return to G-d, they cannot be intimidated. Read the Torah.

    • 回复: @AaronB
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    Perhaps you're right about religious Jews, Greasy.

    I can believe religious Jews have an inner strength lacking in their secular brethren.

    , @reiner Tor
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    western Russophiles feel that Russia is morally obligated to launch a nuclear attack on Israel because Israel killed some Iranians?
     
    I prefer calling him "utu," since "western Russophiles" is too long. It's also a somewhat misleading name, implying that it's actually "western Russophiles" instead of just utu.

    回复:@Greasy William

    , @Felix Keverich
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    For the record, I have never talked about attacking Russian soldiers or toppling Assad and nobody in Israel is talking about that either.
     
    你在说谎。

    Israel minister calls for assassination of Syria’s Bashar Al-Assad
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180412-israel-minister-calls-for-assassination-of-syrias-bashar-al-assad/

    I say we retaliate by striking at Israeli airfields, and then the Jews in Israel will get to make a choice between a Holocaust 2.0 or a climbdown.

    回复:@Greasy William

  252. @Greasy William
    @Anatoly卡琳

    How do you think Russians would feel about the way that western Russophiles feel that Russia is morally obligated to launch a nuclear attack on Israel because Israel killed some Iranians?

    On Southfront, the Russian posters are becoming increasingly frustrated with the ingratitude of their Arab and Russophile allies.

    For the record, I have never talked about attacking Russian soldiers or toppling Assad and nobody in Israel is talking about that either.

    ...

    As a Jew, I hope for friendship with Russia and the Russian people and am willing to give very much to bring that about. But as for the Russophiles, not one shall remain alive.

    阿门。

    ...


    I know this Jewish tactic well – pretend you’re crazy, with lots of bravado.
     
    Jews have a tendency to fear their own shadows but I can't think of any case of them pretending otherwise. You are hallucinating.

    However, when Jews are threatened with annihilation and proceed to return to G-d, they cannot be intimidated. Read the Torah.

    Replies: @AaronB, @reiner Tor, @Felix Keverich

    Perhaps you’re right about religious Jews, Greasy.

    I can believe religious Jews have an inner strength lacking in their secular brethren.

  253. @Anatoly Karlin
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    This is a stupid debate. Greasy is of course right.

    Well, I don't know if he's right on Israel, but he's right on Russia in this case. A minority would fight a nuclear war over Donbass. A negligible percentage would fight a nuclear war over Syria. And the only man in Russia who would fight a nuclear war over Syria, but not over Donbass, is Israel Shamir.

    I mostly certainly don't want to fight a nuclear war over a training arena for the Russian Air Force.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @utu, @Dmitry, @reiner Tor

    Nobody wants to fight a nuclear war. But you have to be ready. If you are not you have already lost.

    • 回复: @utu
    @乌图

    I could have said this: A weak state like Russia can take political advantage of nuclear weapons it possesses only if the other side is convinced that Russia will use them when Russia says it would. Even if Russia's imposed conditions would be frivolous or unreasonable. If Russia said it will nuke you for jaywalking the jaywalking would stop immediately if Russia was believed. If Russia was believed it could stop Israel intrusions into Syria with one short phone call. The problem here is not that Russia is not believed but that Russia like everybody here is telling me is not even trying to be believed. So the consensu here is:


    Let Israel bomb Syria.
     
    Those of you who live in Russia should get ready for the triumphant return to Russia not of Russian troop because they will come back with their tails between legs but for the return of Khodorkovsky and the rest of them.

    Replies: @Felix Keverich, @AaronB, @reiner Tor

  254. Greasy is talking nonsense about Israel, although – I feel like everyone was bullying unfairly him today. So I will add he seems to know more about Russia.

    Any small conflict for Israel, crashes the economy for at least 1 economic quarter, destroys tourist industry several years, stresses a population, encourages the Russian-speaking olim to plan the emigration to Canada (while the Africans and Arabs stay unaffected and will never leave), and leads to destruction of their country reputation around the world and mass marches inside Paris.

    They have less tolerance for conflict even many their neighbours, since they are actually reaching the first world standard expectations for life style, the country is tiny, the rockets hit every side in the frightening way which maybe only East Ukrainians can imagine. In addition, their economy does well whenever there is peace, and vice-versa. In addition, their kids are in the army, everyone knows each other, and someone who will die in the conflict.

    As for Russia intervention in Syria. Intervention was marketed as being low cost, like training exercise and advertisement for weapons systems, and not to be like Afghanistan (or Americans in Vietnam). Overall this was achieved, although sunk costs were probably higher than expected, with the number of soldiers killed rising over the last year. So there is a lot of sunk costs now, which makes exit a little more complicated.

    Despite this, due to geographical distance, and having less in the balance in Syria compared to local Middle Eastern countries – it will obviously not have the same level of commitment to the conflict of the Middle Eastern countries, including Iran, Turkey, Israel (the Middle Easterners will be operating for a longer-term in Syria, as they be living in the region for all eternity, long after America and Russia have gone home).

  255. @Anatoly Karlin
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    This is a stupid debate. Greasy is of course right.

    Well, I don't know if he's right on Israel, but he's right on Russia in this case. A minority would fight a nuclear war over Donbass. A negligible percentage would fight a nuclear war over Syria. And the only man in Russia who would fight a nuclear war over Syria, but not over Donbass, is Israel Shamir.

    I mostly certainly don't want to fight a nuclear war over a training arena for the Russian Air Force.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @utu, @Dmitry, @reiner Tor

    It’s Iran which is going to respond, or not, physically for the attacks – (or through Hezbollah, Iran).

    Predicting the response of Kremlin leadership is more complicated, and there will probably be different points of view there, from seeing Israel’s attacks as a humiliation that needs a reaction, to seeing attacks as an opportunity to increase influence in Syria.

    Also in relation to war between Iran and Israel – in some sense Russia is in a parallel position on the board as in relation to the Armenia vs Azerbaijan conflict. Although with differences, such as that Israel is more firmly in an American, enemy, camp, than Azerbaijan is yet. And the scale of the war between these two would be a far larger war, and less desirable even for third-players (although the increase in oil price would not be bad).

  256. @utu
    @Anatoly卡琳

    Nobody wants to fight a nuclear war. But you have to be ready. If you are not you have already lost.

    回复:@utu

    I could have said this: A weak state like Russia can take political advantage of nuclear weapons it possesses only if the other side is convinced that Russia will use them when Russia says it would. Even if Russia’s imposed conditions would be frivolous or unreasonable. If Russia said it will nuke you for jaywalking the jaywalking would stop immediately if Russia was believed. If Russia was believed it could stop Israel intrusions into Syria with one short phone call. The problem here is not that Russia is not believed but that Russia like everybody here is telling me is not even trying to be believed. So the consensu here is:

    Let Israel bomb Syria.

    Those of you who live in Russia should get ready for the triumphant return to Russia not of Russian troop because they will come back with their tails between legs but for the return of Khodorkovsky and the rest of them.

    • 回复: @Felix Keverich
    @乌图

    Russia is not weak. But it's a "one-dimentional power", meaning that the use military is the only way for Russia to have its voice heard and its interests respected. If Russia is not willing to use its guns, nobody in the world will pay much attention to the Kremlin. We might as well pack up from Syria and go home.

    回复:@Dmitry

    , @AaronB
    @乌图

    You see here why Jews are ascendant, and the West in decline.

    Greasy William has passion and fierceness, conviction, willing to sacrifice himself and his country for his cause. He is not "reasonable", but irrational, emotion, loyal. He has what the Greeks called "thumos" - the source of all motivation. Greasy William may be wrong, but he's admirable.

    Now a milquetoast like reiner tor will take talk to you about "game theory", reasonableness, how America is just too powerful and all the other defeatist stuff. You get the sense he's too reasonable to have emotions, and will wilt if exposed to too much sunlight.

    And so it is for most white commenters on this blog. Insipid.

    This is the difference between having a religion and not having one. And there is nothing to be done about it - one can only hope the next generation will be raised with a religion. There is nothing to expect from the older generation of white people. They are not worth arguing with or taking seriously.

    Replies: @Anon, @for-the-record, @Dmitry, @German_reader

    , @reiner Tor
    @乌图

    I found that proposal interesting. (And wrong, of course.)


    if the other side is convinced that Russia will use them when Russia says it would. Even if Russia’s imposed conditions would be frivolous or unreasonable. If Russia said it will nuke you for jaywalking the jaywalking would stop immediately if Russia was believed.
     
    Well.. if you were the Israeli Prime Minister, or US President, and Russia demanded that you dance naked on the street and upload the video to YouTube, and you firmly believed that the Russians would really nuke your country if you didn't, would you

    A) dance naked, and upload it to YouTube
    B) prepare for a nuclear war with Russia (while of course hoping they're not as insane to start a nuclear war over this)
    C) other (write what you'd do)

    ?

    I guess most people (at the very least most people who had enough drive to power to become actually, like, powerful) would choose B). And the politicians would have no problem convincing the people to follow them to nuclear war. You propose most (or all?) people would choose A).

    I think your theory of the mind is wrong.

    回复:@reiner Tor,@ utu

  257. Russia/Putin getting absolutely ripped apart by the Russophiles on social media. Lot’s of talk about how Hitler should have finished Russia off. The Arabs/Iranians are even more extreme, saying that Russia is just as bad as Israel and America; presumably because Russia has a moral obligation to fight Syria and Iran’s wars. Noticeable frustration from pro-Putin Russians over how ungrateful and worthless their allies are.

    I’m seeing 3 strategies being advocated for as to how to get rid of Israel in the aftermath of this latest attack:

    1. The most popular is for a military coup in Russia to replace Putin with a leader who will… I’m not really sure. I guess the new Russian nationalist leader will launch a nuclear strike on Israel but I haven’t seen it spelled out yet.

    2. Iran should just develop it’s own super weapons and then use them to conquer Israel.

    3. Do nothing because this is just Putin playing 4d chess. Putin wants Israel to blow up Iranian bases in Syria because doing so actually strengthens Iran and Syria while weakening Israel. Some are comparing this to Russia’s scorched earth retreat against Napoleon. This line of thought is proving extremely unpopular with Arabs and Iranians.

    I’ll make sure to keep you guys posted on the latest developments in Russophile strategy.

    edit: Should have included Magnier’s take, as he is the Russophile king, they all worship him. He is saying that Iran’s refusal to retaliate (for the 8 billionth time) is strategic brilliance because Iran knows that Israel is trying to lure them into a war. Keep in mind that only 2 months ago Magnier said that Iran and Syria wanted war with Israel and that Israel would do anything to avoid such a conflict.

    • 哈哈: Anatoly Karlin
    • 回复: @Mitleser
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    Keep in mind that only 2 months ago Magnier said that Iran and Syria wanted war with Israel and that Israel would do anything to avoid such a conflict.
     
    Well, you said that this is exactly what the leader of Israel wants and it is the Zahal who is warmongering.

    回复:@Greasy William

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    概要:

    1. Zradniks
    2. Svidomy (Arab-Iranian version)
    3. Mnogokhodovochniks

    回复:@Greasy William

  258. @for-the-record
    Besides, I just feel the Kuomintang were kind of the good guys (or at least the lesser evil) in the context of the times.

    The more I read about the KMT and their activities, unfortunately the less sure I am of this.

    Also, one needs to keep in mind that "Taiwanese" have a separate issue with the KMT, as they effectively saw one heavy-handed colonial ruler replaced by another. Local languages were suppressed for decades, something which even the Japanese hadn't done.

    During the postwar period, the Kuomintang (KMT) administration on Taiwan was repressive and extremely corrupt compared with the previous Japanese rule, leading to local discontent. Anti-mainlander violence flared on 28 February 1947, prompted by an incident in which a cigarette seller was injured and a passerby was indiscriminately shot dead by Nationalist authorities.[81] During the ensuing crackdown by the KMT administration in what became known as the February 28 Incident, tens of thousands of people were killed or arrested, and the incident became a taboo topic of discussion for the entire martial law era.
     

    Replies: @German_reader, @Thorfinnsson, @reiner Tor

    The more I read about the KMT and their activities, unfortunately the less sure I am of this.

    It’s enough to recognize that Mao was more horrible for China.

  259. @utu
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    No more than a handful of Russians are willing to commit suicide to protect Syria and Iran.
     
    Again you are not getting the law of symmetry. You think that Jews are exempt form it? How many Israelis are willing to commit suicide by insisting to have the right to bomb anything they like in Syria at will? Do you really believe that Russians will just walk away or look the other way while Israel is bombing Syria any time it wants? If Putin decides to draw a line everything will be OK. Nobody will have to die and nobody will have to commit suicide if only Israel stops bombing Syria. Don't you get it that it is really up to you.

    回复:@reiner Tor

    There’s no symmetry, because they have bombed Syria for so long that it’s now the status quo. You can say that it’s not fair that they have been bombing Syria with impunity, but it’s also not fair that Neanderthals are extinct or what I complained about in the other thread that Czechoslovakia got 100% ethnically Hungarian areas (still the best arable land in Slovakia) and then deported many of them (including some of my relatives) in 1945 because they were disloyal. It’s also unfair that I was poorer than you when growing up and my parents only had a Wartburg when your parents as Americans undoubtedly had a huge V6 or V8 engined car or truck and a bigger house. Oh, of course it’s also unfair that I was richer than the vast majority of African children – they didn’t have enough to , and probably thought that it’s only soldiers and presidents who have cars. In fact, I was richer than the majority of Hungarian children – a lot of them were cramped into smaller (occasionally much smaller) apartments than us.

    Life is unfair.

    Now that we’ve established that Israel has been there bombing Syria, we know that they would call your bluff. Except, of course, in your case it wouldn’t be bluff because (as you wrote) you’d be delighted if there was a nuclear war between Russia and Israel.

    Since unlike you I don’t want a nuclear war, I would set my goals and red lines so that there’s a very good chance others would respect them. And only then would I be willing to die or go down fighting for those goals and red lines.

  260. @yevardian
    @reiner托尔

    我没有任何意见,但来自社会各阶层的大量伊朗人相信这一理论。奇怪的是,以色列是世界上唯一在强行战争期间支持他们的主要国家。动机很简单:敌人互相毁灭。不要忘记以色列培育了哈马斯数十年。

    在国王晚年,伊朗对以色列变得越来越敌视,并独立于美国。这个概念确实有腿。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    Okay, I cannot claim to be knowledgeable enough about the issue, so maybe you guys do have a point.

  261. @utu
    @German_reader

    It was Kuomintang that blew it with their grandiose insistence that they represented the whole China (yes, they were egged on by the US). When the mainland China was weak Taiwan had a chance of becoming an independent country and could get international recognition if only Kuomintang stepped aside and let the pre-Kuomintang Chinese who were more loyal to Japan than China and the native population rule. Now it is too late.

    回复:@ Mitleser,@ Daniel Chieh

    It wasn’t ever realistic to become part of Japan(and post-war Japan was not about to get any more territory), and the pre-KMT Chinese are the ones in TaiDu now running around and being idiots. Its not really like they’re doing anything useful nor did it really seem like they ever had a plan.

    KMT had their faults – overt ambition and a bullheaded refusal to give up on taking over the mainland among them, but at least they didn’t think that they could gain independence through supporting same-sex marriage and other complete nonsequitors which presumably will bring “international attention.” The degree of “not a serious country” and utter divorce from reality is hard to comprehend.

    • 回复: @utu
    @丹尼尔·齐(Daniel Chieh)

    I found the idea of independent Taiwan appealing when it was explicated to me by my Taiwanese friends many years ago. Some of them felt more affinity to Japan than China though they did not want to be a part of Japan. But even then they were realistic that it was already too late and they blamed KMT's grandiosity for the missed opportunity. Taiwan will become a part of China sooner or later. Whatever is happening in Taiwan now is not really important. The independence activist or whatever they are will not change the course of things to come.

    回复:@Daniel Chieh

  262. @German_reader
    @作为记录


    Local languages were suppressed for decades, something which even the Japanese hadn’t done.
     
    I thought the Japanese had strong assimilationist policies during the colonial era (basically wanting to turn Koreans and Taiwanese into some kind of Japanese), so it surprises me the Kuomintang are supposed to have been 更坏...but I can't exactly claim to be that well-informed about the issue.
    Anyway, I'm not in favour of covering up historical crimes, but given similar phenomena in Western countries (e.g. the Spanish left and its obsession with the civil war which seems rather vindictive to me) I'm deeply suspicious of organized politics of memory.

    回复:@ utu,@ Daniel Chieh

    The Co-Prosperity Sphere was supposed to be assimilationist, but the Japanese rule in pretty much everywhere except Taiwan was incredibly brutal. There’s a couple of American reviews on Korea, for example, which pretty much established that North and Southern Koreans were perfectly happy to put aside their significant differences if they could kill Japanese soldiers.

    For a variety of reasons, Japanese rule in Taiwan was much more established and therefore they were able to utilize less brutal measures, but they also replaced local languages with Japanese education. Taiwan was supposed to be a kind of showcase colony to demonstrate the presumed benevolence of the Imperial Japanese as well to future members. It was enough for them to run a loss, since its purpose was to encourage other future colonies to give up peacefully.

    The KMT, on the other hand, needed to establish order and setup for economic stability while dealing with the very real dual threat of invasion from the mainland and internal sympathizers to the Communists. As I mentioned before, whatever the KMT crimes might have been, they had goals which they needed to establish. Its hard to see what the TaiDu rivals wanted to accomplish, then or now. TaiDu has been in power for some time, and as far as I can see, they’ve only accomplished in simultaneously provoking China while making no serious efforts at either political or military resistance.

    As far as I can tell, their greatest accomplishment has been to elect a cat lady to be their leader.

    Tsai is unmarried and has no children. Tsai is known to be a cat lover, and her two cats, “Think Think” and “Ah Tsai”, featured prominently in her election campaign. In October 2016, she adopted three retired guide dogs, named Bella, Bunny and Maru.

    The KMT descendants remain the overwhelming majority of the military as well, while the non-KMT politicians are the ones agitating to get an invasion from China. There is this entire scenario of simultaneous idiocy and cowardice that I can’t really forgive.

    • 回复: @songbird
    @丹尼尔·齐(Daniel Chieh)

    People wonder why Japan has such a low amount of crime. Many interpretations, some obvious. One not as obvious would be that they killed a lot of people for minor transgressions until fairly recently (August, 1945.) If I recall, in Korea, (pre-war) they used to chop off people's limbs with swords. Korea did develop under them, but probably didn't need them.

    回复:@Daniel Chieh

  263. @utu
    @米特勒

    I know that is not a problem for KMT but they blew it for Taiwan.

    回复:@Mitleser

    Why let their opponents win everything?

    The KMT has never wanted an independent Taiwan.

    • 回复: @songbird
    @米特勒

    Is it really an "authoritarian legacy?" Is Taiwan authoritarian today? Not by the standard of the writer, I'd guess, which makes it sort of an illogical construction. A similar thing could be said about South Korea.

    I've known a few people from Taiwan or with Taiwanese parents. None of them thought of Taiwan as being wholly separate. I wonder if the expats living in the West and observing are less pozzed than the people on the island.

  264. @Greasy William
    @作为记录

    why are you taking Taiwan's side?

    回复:@ for-the-record

    why are you taking Taiwan’s side?

    1. I like local languages and culture.

    2. Not very enthusiastic about the KMT, which is not “native” to Taiwan, I am sympathetic to those who complain about what happened in the not-too-distant past.

    On the other hand, I have nothing against the “reunification” of Taiwan with the mainland, indeed can see certain aspects where this might well be advantageous.

  265. @Anatoly Karlin
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    This is a stupid debate. Greasy is of course right.

    Well, I don't know if he's right on Israel, but he's right on Russia in this case. A minority would fight a nuclear war over Donbass. A negligible percentage would fight a nuclear war over Syria. And the only man in Russia who would fight a nuclear war over Syria, but not over Donbass, is Israel Shamir.

    I mostly certainly don't want to fight a nuclear war over a training arena for the Russian Air Force.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @utu, @Dmitry, @reiner Tor

    A minority would fight a nuclear war over Donbass. A negligible percentage would fight a nuclear war over Syria. And the only man in Russia who would fight a nuclear war over Syria, but not over Donbass, is Israel Shamir.

    As I wrote, from a game theory viewpoint, those who are not willing to wage a nuclear war over more trivial issues will be condemned to wage them over their lives.

    That said, other than utu (who – as he wrote – would be delighted at the thought of a nuclear war between Israel and Russia), I don’t think it’d be sensible to go to the nuclear brink over Israel bombing Syria.

    I do think that Israel’s bad habit of bombing Syria needs to be broken (and perhaps longer term, after Assad’s victory, Iran’s presence in Syria should be reduced?), but it takes patience and certainly nuclear brinkmanship is not the way to do it.

  266. @Greasy William
    Russia/Putin getting absolutely ripped apart by the Russophiles on social media. Lot's of talk about how Hitler should have finished Russia off. The Arabs/Iranians are even more extreme, saying that Russia is just as bad as Israel and America; presumably because Russia has a moral obligation to fight Syria and Iran's wars. Noticeable frustration from pro-Putin Russians over how ungrateful and worthless their allies are.

    I'm seeing 3 strategies being advocated for as to how to get rid of Israel in the aftermath of this latest attack:

    1. The most popular is for a military coup in Russia to replace Putin with a leader who will... I'm not really sure. I guess the new Russian nationalist leader will launch a nuclear strike on Israel but I haven't seen it spelled out yet.

    2. Iran should just develop it's own super weapons and then use them to conquer Israel.

    3. Do nothing because this is just Putin playing 4d chess. Putin wants Israel to blow up Iranian bases in Syria because doing so actually strengthens Iran and Syria while weakening Israel. Some are comparing this to Russia's scorched earth retreat against Napoleon. This line of thought is proving extremely unpopular with Arabs and Iranians.

    I'll make sure to keep you guys posted on the latest developments in Russophile strategy.


    edit: Should have included Magnier's take, as he is the Russophile king, they all worship him. He is saying that Iran's refusal to retaliate (for the 8 billionth time) is strategic brilliance because Iran knows that Israel is trying to lure them into a war. Keep in mind that only 2 months ago Magnier said that Iran and Syria wanted war with Israel and that Israel would do anything to avoid such a conflict.

    回复:@ Mitleser,@ Anatoly Karlin

    Keep in mind that only 2 months ago Magnier said that Iran and Syria wanted war with Israel and that Israel would do anything to avoid such a conflict.

    Well, you said that this is exactly what the leader of Israel wants and it is the Zahal who is warmongering.

    • 回复: @Greasy William
    @米特勒

    What's the Zahal? Is that what Russians call the IDF?


    Well, you said that this is exactly what the leader of Israel
     
    Bibi, want war? Are you kidding me? Hell no Bibi doesn't want war.

    The IDF wants war because they have lost their fucking minds. I'm happy to provide you guys with analysis of Israel but I can't explain the IDF's thinking on this or any other subject. They do things their own way and always have.

    But Israel, Russia, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Bibi and the IDF aren't important. What's important is that Magnier is gay.

    edit: Oh now I understand what you're saying. It's hypocritical of me to bash Magnier for saying something when I myself just said the exact same thing.

    I see why you would think that, but you need to keep in mind that... hey, what's that over there! ::runs away::

    回复:@reiner Tor,@ Dmitry

  267. @Greasy William
    @Anatoly卡琳

    How do you think Russians would feel about the way that western Russophiles feel that Russia is morally obligated to launch a nuclear attack on Israel because Israel killed some Iranians?

    On Southfront, the Russian posters are becoming increasingly frustrated with the ingratitude of their Arab and Russophile allies.

    For the record, I have never talked about attacking Russian soldiers or toppling Assad and nobody in Israel is talking about that either.

    ...

    As a Jew, I hope for friendship with Russia and the Russian people and am willing to give very much to bring that about. But as for the Russophiles, not one shall remain alive.

    阿门。

    ...


    I know this Jewish tactic well – pretend you’re crazy, with lots of bravado.
     
    Jews have a tendency to fear their own shadows but I can't think of any case of them pretending otherwise. You are hallucinating.

    However, when Jews are threatened with annihilation and proceed to return to G-d, they cannot be intimidated. Read the Torah.

    Replies: @AaronB, @reiner Tor, @Felix Keverich

    western Russophiles feel that Russia is morally obligated to launch a nuclear attack on Israel because Israel killed some Iranians?

    I prefer calling him “utu,” since “western Russophiles” is too long. It’s also a somewhat misleading name, implying that it’s actually “western Russophiles” instead of just utu.

    • 回复: @Greasy William
    @reiner托尔

    are you not on social media? The Russophiles/Arabs/Iranians have gone from "Russia will nuke Israel!" to "Russia is morally obligated to nuke Israel and they are treacherous criminals for refusing to fulfill their sacred duty".

    Hell hath no fury like a Russophile scorned.

    ...

    utu's all right. I initially wasn't a fan but he has grown on me. I don't consider him a true Russophile.

    I agree he is being rude to you, though.

    ...

    I'm glad that most people here have changed their original position of starting a nuclear war. The good news is that it sounds like Trump really is serious about leaving Syria, Deep State be damned.

    I think it's a mistake but all the Trump haters here will have no choice but to give Trump credit and admit that I was right in my claim that Trump was committed to peace.

    回复:@reiner Tor

  268. @utu
    @reiner托尔


    我刚刚的另一个想法是在杜马危机(或其他任何名称)期间向爱沙尼亚发送外交照会,询问他们是否......
     
    这很好。一点也不傻。对爱沙尼亚人撒狗屎你可以忍受,但对其他不是伊顿公学的爱沙尼亚人你甚至无法想象。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    I didn’t propose to ruffle a single hair on the head of a single Estonian. My proposal was to take seriously preparations for a (nuclear or not) war (which is a more effective and credible way of threatening with it than empty words by diplomats, and the bonus is you don’t have to follow through on it, since it’s not a threat at all). It’s simply part of the normal preparations for war – you ask your neighbors if they’d allow their airspace or bases to be used by the US in the event of a war which was started by a US aggression. (Or if Estonians are unwilling to use the expression, in the event of a war started by an unprovoked US attack on Russian or allied forces.)

    If there was going to be a war between the US and Russia, sure the Russian government would’ve needed the information. Maybe they shouldn’t have singled out Estonia, instead asked all European NATO members, or all NATO member countries bordering Russia, or all countries bordering Russia (like Ukraine), etc.

    对爱沙尼亚人撒狗屎你可以忍受,但对其他不是伊顿公学的爱沙尼亚人你甚至无法想象。

    You mean taking shit to Israelies? You either didn’t read my other comments or you’re just lying.

    I explicitly proposed to start making life difficult for Israel as an asymmetric response to American sanctions. First, sending small arms to Hezbollah. Officially announce this was a response to American sanctions. Then when Bibi angrily calls, tell him that heavy weapons will be sent in the event of further sanctions. Eventually Russia could be sanctioned to the point of Hezbollah getting a proper air defense and air force. (I’m not knowledgeable enough to know if this would be a viable strategy. Hezbollah might not be a reliable enough group for this. Then only Syria should get such weapons. But not as a response to US missile attacks, but as a response to sanctions – for which Russia has no symmetric answer. Similarly, sending weapons to Iran. Etc.)

    然而,与以色列采取核边缘政策并不是一个好主意。这种威胁要么不可信,要么很愚蠢。但如果以色列和俄罗斯之间爆发核战争,你自然会感到高兴,所以你主张极有可能发生核战争的情况是可以原谅的。

  269. @reiner Tor
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    western Russophiles feel that Russia is morally obligated to launch a nuclear attack on Israel because Israel killed some Iranians?
     
    I prefer calling him "utu," since "western Russophiles" is too long. It's also a somewhat misleading name, implying that it's actually "western Russophiles" instead of just utu.

    回复:@Greasy William

    are you not on social media? The Russophiles/Arabs/Iranians have gone from “Russia will nuke Israel!” to “Russia is morally obligated to nuke Israel and they are treacherous criminals for refusing to fulfill their sacred duty”.

    Hell hath no fury like a Russophile scorned.

    ...

    utu’s all right. I initially wasn’t a fan but he has grown on me. I don’t consider him a true Russophile.

    I agree he is being rude to you, though.

    ...

    I’m glad that most people here have changed their original position of starting a nuclear war. The good news is that it sounds like Trump really is serious about leaving Syria, Deep State be damned.

    I think it’s a mistake but all the Trump haters here will have no choice but to give Trump credit and admit that I was right in my claim that Trump was committed to peace.

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    he is being rude to you
     
    He’s wrong. Which is even worse.
  270. @Mitleser
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    Keep in mind that only 2 months ago Magnier said that Iran and Syria wanted war with Israel and that Israel would do anything to avoid such a conflict.
     
    Well, you said that this is exactly what the leader of Israel wants and it is the Zahal who is warmongering.

    回复:@Greasy William

    What’s the Zahal? Is that what Russians call the IDF?

    Well, you said that this is exactly what the leader of Israel

    Bibi, want war? Are you kidding me? Hell no Bibi doesn’t want war.

    The IDF wants war because they have lost their fucking minds. I’m happy to provide you guys with analysis of Israel but I can’t explain the IDF’s thinking on this or any other subject. They do things their own way and always have.

    But Israel, Russia, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Bibi and the IDF aren’t important. What’s important is that Magnier is gay.

    edit: Oh now I understand what you’re saying. It’s hypocritical of me to bash Magnier for saying something when I myself just said the exact same thing.

    I see why you would think that, but you need to keep in mind that… hey, what’s that over there! ::runs away::

    • 哈哈: reiner Tor
    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    What’s the Zahal? Is that what Russians call the IDF?
     
    “The Israel Defense Forces, commonly known in Israel by the Hebrew acronym Tzahal...”
    , @Dmitry
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    What’s the Zahal? Is that what Russians call the IDF?

     

    Lol Greasy you have to be a troll when you comment on Israel.

    Zaba (or tzaba) = military
    hahaganah = the defense
    l'yisrael = to Israel

    This is the official name ('IDF' is the English translation, that is only in America).

    Even Indian fanboys who post on youtube, seem to call it Zahal -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TellBsexZs
  271. @Greasy William
    @reiner托尔

    are you not on social media? The Russophiles/Arabs/Iranians have gone from "Russia will nuke Israel!" to "Russia is morally obligated to nuke Israel and they are treacherous criminals for refusing to fulfill their sacred duty".

    Hell hath no fury like a Russophile scorned.

    ...

    utu's all right. I initially wasn't a fan but he has grown on me. I don't consider him a true Russophile.

    I agree he is being rude to you, though.

    ...

    I'm glad that most people here have changed their original position of starting a nuclear war. The good news is that it sounds like Trump really is serious about leaving Syria, Deep State be damned.

    I think it's a mistake but all the Trump haters here will have no choice but to give Trump credit and admit that I was right in my claim that Trump was committed to peace.

    回复:@reiner Tor

    he is being rude to you

    He’s wrong. Which is even worse.

  272. @Greasy William
    @米特勒

    What's the Zahal? Is that what Russians call the IDF?


    Well, you said that this is exactly what the leader of Israel
     
    Bibi, want war? Are you kidding me? Hell no Bibi doesn't want war.

    The IDF wants war because they have lost their fucking minds. I'm happy to provide you guys with analysis of Israel but I can't explain the IDF's thinking on this or any other subject. They do things their own way and always have.

    But Israel, Russia, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Bibi and the IDF aren't important. What's important is that Magnier is gay.

    edit: Oh now I understand what you're saying. It's hypocritical of me to bash Magnier for saying something when I myself just said the exact same thing.

    I see why you would think that, but you need to keep in mind that... hey, what's that over there! ::runs away::

    回复:@reiner Tor,@ Dmitry

    What’s the Zahal? Is that what Russians call the IDF?

    “The Israel Defense Forces, commonly known in Israel by the Hebrew acronym Tzahal…”

  273. @for-the-record
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    猜猜通常 100% 有效的叙利亚防空系统错过了这些 1970 年代的巡航导弹。

    他们就像新加坡的枪,指向错误的方向。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    更可能的解释是,14 月 XNUMX 日的防空系统是由俄罗斯人操作的,但在袭击发生后,又将其交还给了原来的叙利亚人员。

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @reiner托尔

    Yes, that thought had occurred to me as well.

  274. @for-the-record
    @乌图

    只要我们看到以色列飞机和导弹飞越叙利亚上空,我们就知道普京还没有准备好进行严重对抗。

    S-300或许将是对此的一次考验。前几天有新闻报道称,俄罗斯将向叙利亚提供S-300,但仔细一看,他们所说的似乎只是“升级”叙利亚的能力。如果他们最终不坚持S-300,这将是他们退缩的又一个例子。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    这将是他们退缩的又一个例子

    Yes. I cannot see an argument against delivering it (Dmitry said it’d be destroyed by Israel anyway, but I didn’t believe it), but maybe Putin knows something I don’t.

    无论如何,规则非常简单:

    1) Don’t threaten with things you’re unwilling to do.

    2) Be willing to do things you’re threatening with.

    If you regularly break this, don’t expect your word to be taken seriously. If there are things for which you truly are willing to wage a nuclear war, then such a policy will greatly increase the risk of a nuclear war, because when that point arrives, no one will take your threats seriously.

  275. What is the possibility of a color revolution in Kazakhstan?
    Nazarbayev is getting very old.

  276. @reiner Tor
    @作为记录

    更可能的解释是,14 月 XNUMX 日的防空系统是由俄罗斯人操作的,但在袭击发生后,又将其交还给了原来的叙利亚人员。

    回复:@ for-the-record

    Yes, that thought had occurred to me as well.

  277. • 回复: @for-the-record
    @reiner托尔

    Interesting how the case has seem to have gone silent.

    Perhaps not coincidentally, it seems that the British press is operating under the restriction of a DSMA notice (familiarly referred to as a D notice) regarding certain aspects of the case, notably its possible connection via Pablo Miller to the Trump "pee" dossier.

    From Craig Murray (former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan):


    他们告诉你不要看的地方

    At the very beginning of the of the Skripal incident, the security services blocked by D(SMA) notice any media mention of Pablo Miller and told the media not to look at Orbis and the Steele dossier on Trump, acting immediately to get out their message via trusties in the BBC and Guardian . . .

    We still have no idea of who attacked Sergei Skripal and why. But the fact that, right from the start, the government blocked the media from mentioning Pablo Miller, and put out denials that this has anything to do with Christopher Steele and Orbis, including lying that Miller had never been connected to Orbis, convinces me that this is the most promising direction in which to look.

    It never seemed likely to me that the Russians had decided to assassinate an inactive spy who they let out of prison many years ago, over something that happened in Moscow over a decade ago. It seemed even less likely when Boris Johnson claimed intelligence showed this was the result of a decade long novichok programme involving training in secret assassination techniques. Why would they blow all that effort on old Skripal?

    That the motive is the connection to the hottest issue in US politics today, and not something in Moscow a decade ago, always seemed to me much more probable. Having now reviewed matters and seen that the government actively tried to shut down this line of inquiry, makes it still more probable this is right.

    Rule number one of real investigative journalism: look where they tell you not to look.

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/
     

    回复:@reiner Tor

  278. @reiner Tor
    Some Skripal stuff:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-29/uk-governments-skripal-conspiracy-theory-or-how-hold-mass-contradictory-thoughts

    回复:@ for-the-record

    Interesting how the case has seem to have gone silent.

    Perhaps not coincidentally, it seems that the British press is operating under the restriction of a DSMA notice (familiarly referred to as a D notice) regarding certain aspects of the case, notably its possible connection via Pablo Miller to the Trump “pee” dossier.

    From Craig Murray (former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan):

    他们告诉你不要看的地方

    At the very beginning of the of the Skripal incident, the security services blocked by D(SMA) notice any media mention of Pablo Miller and told the media not to look at Orbis and the Steele dossier on Trump, acting immediately to get out their message via trusties in the BBC and Guardian . . .

    We still have no idea of who attacked Sergei Skripal and why. But the fact that, right from the start, the government blocked the media from mentioning Pablo Miller, and put out denials that this has anything to do with Christopher Steele and Orbis, including lying that Miller had never been connected to Orbis, convinces me that this is the most promising direction in which to look.

    It never seemed likely to me that the Russians had decided to assassinate an inactive spy who they let out of prison many years ago, over something that happened in Moscow over a decade ago. It seemed even less likely when Boris Johnson claimed intelligence showed this was the result of a decade long novichok programme involving training in secret assassination techniques. Why would they blow all that effort on old Skripal?

    That the motive is the connection to the hottest issue in US politics today, and not something in Moscow a decade ago, always seemed to me much more probable. Having now reviewed matters and seen that the government actively tried to shut down this line of inquiry, makes it still more probable this is right.

    Rule number one of real investigative journalism: look where they tell you not to look.

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @作为记录


    Interesting how the case has seem to have gone silent.
     
    I guess all of the independent journalists and editors of the free press and media just decided — independent of each other or of any unduly outside influence — that, with Russia’s guilt being established beyond a reasonable doubt, there was nothing else to investigate or write about. So they just stopped reporting. Which only shows, if anything, the strength of the British government’s case, and also the independence of the press and media, in that they are absolutely free of conspiracy theorizing and fake news or propaganda.

    So I think we should just move on to some other, more interesting topics, as there is nothing to see here.
  279. @for-the-record
    @reiner托尔

    Interesting how the case has seem to have gone silent.

    Perhaps not coincidentally, it seems that the British press is operating under the restriction of a DSMA notice (familiarly referred to as a D notice) regarding certain aspects of the case, notably its possible connection via Pablo Miller to the Trump "pee" dossier.

    From Craig Murray (former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan):


    他们告诉你不要看的地方

    At the very beginning of the of the Skripal incident, the security services blocked by D(SMA) notice any media mention of Pablo Miller and told the media not to look at Orbis and the Steele dossier on Trump, acting immediately to get out their message via trusties in the BBC and Guardian . . .

    We still have no idea of who attacked Sergei Skripal and why. But the fact that, right from the start, the government blocked the media from mentioning Pablo Miller, and put out denials that this has anything to do with Christopher Steele and Orbis, including lying that Miller had never been connected to Orbis, convinces me that this is the most promising direction in which to look.

    It never seemed likely to me that the Russians had decided to assassinate an inactive spy who they let out of prison many years ago, over something that happened in Moscow over a decade ago. It seemed even less likely when Boris Johnson claimed intelligence showed this was the result of a decade long novichok programme involving training in secret assassination techniques. Why would they blow all that effort on old Skripal?

    That the motive is the connection to the hottest issue in US politics today, and not something in Moscow a decade ago, always seemed to me much more probable. Having now reviewed matters and seen that the government actively tried to shut down this line of inquiry, makes it still more probable this is right.

    Rule number one of real investigative journalism: look where they tell you not to look.

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/
     

    回复:@reiner Tor

    Interesting how the case has seem to have gone silent.

    I guess all of the independent journalists and editors of the free press and media just decided — independent of each other or of any unduly outside influence — that, with Russia’s guilt being established beyond a reasonable doubt, there was nothing else to investigate or write about. So they just stopped reporting. Which only shows, if anything, the strength of the British government’s case, and also the independence of the press and media, in that they are absolutely free of conspiracy theorizing and fake news or propaganda.

    So I think we should just move on to some other, more interesting topics, as there is nothing to see here.

  280. @Thorfinnsson
    @reiner托尔

    顺便说一句,德国人和俄罗斯人都意识到了这一点,并因此制定了适当的学说。

    普鲁士之所以如此军国主义(除了选帝侯和腓特烈大帝的野心之外),是因为它可支配的资源比法国、奥地利和俄罗斯少得多。这个想法是,只有通过快速、果断和胜利的战役,普鲁士才能维持其地位和野心。当陷入消耗战(七年战争)时,普鲁士将被叶卡捷琳娜大帝消灭,直到她去世。

    早期相当于普鲁士王国的是瑞典王国。在波尔塔瓦之前,瑞典军队在很大程度上被认为在战场上是无敌的。

    施利芬计划、秋季盖尔布计划和巴巴罗萨行动都认识到了这一点。

    施利芬计划的失败实际上是由于德国国会拒绝在丹吉尔危机之后到阿加迪尔危机之后匹配法国陆军开支的持续增加。愤世嫉俗者当然会指出,由于他的舰队建设计划(从军队中转移资源)和各种失误,德皇威廉二世应对此负责。

    法尔盖尔布和巴巴罗萨确实非常相似——质量优越的德国陆军横扫了他们面前的一切。东部有麻烦,他们必须继续……扫荡。直到他们耗尽补给线和储备。

    苏联在冷战期间也有或多或少相同的学说。华沙条约组织的军队之所以持续比反对他们的北约军队规模更大,是因为他们意识到北约拥有优越的资源。假设的第三次世界大战持续的时间越长,苏联失败的可能性就越大。

    因此这个计划:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_to_the_River_Rhine

    YouTube 上的 Binkov's Battlegrounds 制作了一个有趣的三部分系列,模拟了 3 年假想的第三次世界大战:

    这是涵盖地面战争的第三个视频:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kONMKmWQyE8

    空战和海战有单独的视频。

    如今,俄罗斯处于相对弱势的地位,反而以核战争相威胁,甚至懒得在和平时期维持常规优势。

    马尔蒂亚诺夫海军上将关于俄罗斯导弹优势的看法可能是正确的,但这些导弹在与北约的激烈冲突中很快就会耗尽。

    回复:@Thorfinnsson、@reiner Tor、@AP

    东部有麻烦,他们必须继续……扫荡。直到他们耗尽补给线和储备。

    Twinkie explained how Germany still had a very good chance of winning by bleeding the Soviets dry (elastic defense – third Battle of Kharkov) if not for Hitler’s interference; Hitler forced the Germans to adopt more fixed positions, which did not play to their strength, and guaranteed the loss.

  281. @reiner Tor
    @JL

    好吧,我纠正了。

    我的观点是,美国正在以一种无限制的斗争方式做完全非法的事情,例如夺取俄罗斯外交大楼。在这场象征性的战斗中,俄罗斯的报复是无关紧要的(因为它是合法的)。

    在象征性较小的案例中,例如对俄罗斯铝业公司的制裁,他们确实 不能 (或很少)报复。

    显然,没有好的对称报复。但为什么不突然向伊朗运送武器呢?甚至真主党?并公开宣布,为了报复制裁,俄罗斯将向被美国而非俄罗斯视为恐怖分子的组织运送武器。如果内塔尼亚胡愤怒地打电话,普京可以让他与美国人谈谈。告诉他,如果他不希望真主党拥有现代重型武器(最初我只会象征性地向他们发送小型武器),那么美国就不应该再对俄罗斯实施域外制裁。

    现在普京并没有做这样的事情。他根本什么也没做。这就是我所说的“不报复”。我知道外交事件总会有相应的报复。它们只是为了说明美国人方面的斗争是多么的无拘无束。

    回复:@AP

    It may be illegal but are you sure? Embassies are one thing, but do countries have some sort of legal right to have real estate in other countries? Were these privately owned buildings where Russia had some sort of title, or not? I have the impression that such buildings aren’t taxed and are considered “foreign soil” at the discretion of the country they are in but I could be completely wrong here.

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @AP

    A quick search returned this result:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/12/obama-announces-russia-sanctions/511862/


    The closure of the compound in Maryland, though, represents the end of a more than four-decade Russian presence in the area. The former Soviet Union purchased the 45-acre property in Centreville, Maryland, in 1972 as a resort for Soviets living in the U.S. The compound in New York hasn’t been identified publicly, but the Russians have such a compound in Riverdale in the Bronx, which opened as a diplomatic residence in 1974. Obama said both compounds were being used for intelligence-related purposes.
     
    While the status of the New York compound is unclear (but I'd bet dollars to donuts it was purchased, too), the Maryland compound was clearly purchased, that is, acquired in exchange for money. I think it's close to freezing an asset of a state in US territory, and I'm sure there were times not so long ago when it would have been considered 宣战.

    Anyway, unlike the sanctions or military strikes, these measures are largely just symbolic.
  282. @AP
    @reiner托尔

    这可能是非法的,但你确定吗?大使馆是一回事,但国家是否有某种合法权利在其他国家拥有房地产?这些私人建筑是否是俄罗斯拥有某种所有权的?我的印象是,此类建筑物不征税,并且根据其所在国家的判断被视为“外国土地”,但我在这里可能完全错误。

    回复:@reiner Tor

    A quick search returned this result:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/12/obama-announces-russia-sanctions/511862/

    The closure of the compound in Maryland, though, represents the end of a more than four-decade Russian presence in the area. The former Soviet Union purchased the 45-acre property in Centreville, Maryland, in 1972 as a resort for Soviets living in the U.S. The compound in New York hasn’t been identified publicly, but the Russians have such a compound in Riverdale in the Bronx, which opened as a diplomatic residence in 1974. Obama said both compounds were being used for intelligence-related purposes.

    While the status of the New York compound is unclear (but I’d bet dollars to donuts it was purchased, too), the Maryland compound was clearly purchased, that is, acquired in exchange for money. I think it’s close to freezing an asset of a state in US territory, and I’m sure there were times not so long ago when it would have been considered 宣战.

    Anyway, unlike the sanctions or military strikes, these measures are largely just symbolic.

  283. 1. I still think Russia did it. If the media is no longer covering it, it is probably because they realized that Russia was well within their rights to do so and because so much other shit has happened since then. I actually had completely forgotten about it until you brought it up.

    2. Why are Sunni Arabs outside of Syria so hostile to Iran? The war with Iraq was 40 years ago and Iran hasn’t done anything to them since.

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    I still think Russia did it.
     
    I've always argued it was a possibility. But the official British story as it is doesn't stand up to scrutiny. They are clearly not telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

    Why are Sunni Arabs outside of Syria so hostile to Iran?
     
    I think many of them have Shiite minorities (who are occasionally stirred up, unclear how independent of Iranian propaganda), and anyway, it's just a rival (often considered heretical) sect, which in itself might be enough to hate it.
  284. @Greasy William
    1. I still think Russia did it. If the media is no longer covering it, it is probably because they realized that Russia was well within their rights to do so and because so much other shit has happened since then. I actually had completely forgotten about it until you brought it up.

    2. Why are Sunni Arabs outside of Syria so hostile to Iran? The war with Iraq was 40 years ago and Iran hasn't done anything to them since.

    回复:@reiner Tor

    I still think Russia did it.

    I’ve always argued it was a possibility. But the official British story as it is doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. They are clearly not telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

    Why are Sunni Arabs outside of Syria so hostile to Iran?

    I think many of them have Shiite minorities (who are occasionally stirred up, unclear how independent of Iranian propaganda), and anyway, it’s just a rival (often considered heretical) sect, which in itself might be enough to hate it.

  285. @Greasy William
    @Anatoly卡琳

    How do you think Russians would feel about the way that western Russophiles feel that Russia is morally obligated to launch a nuclear attack on Israel because Israel killed some Iranians?

    On Southfront, the Russian posters are becoming increasingly frustrated with the ingratitude of their Arab and Russophile allies.

    For the record, I have never talked about attacking Russian soldiers or toppling Assad and nobody in Israel is talking about that either.

    ...

    As a Jew, I hope for friendship with Russia and the Russian people and am willing to give very much to bring that about. But as for the Russophiles, not one shall remain alive.

    阿门。

    ...


    I know this Jewish tactic well – pretend you’re crazy, with lots of bravado.
     
    Jews have a tendency to fear their own shadows but I can't think of any case of them pretending otherwise. You are hallucinating.

    However, when Jews are threatened with annihilation and proceed to return to G-d, they cannot be intimidated. Read the Torah.

    Replies: @AaronB, @reiner Tor, @Felix Keverich

    For the record, I have never talked about attacking Russian soldiers or toppling Assad and nobody in Israel is talking about that either.

    你在说谎。

    Israel minister calls for assassination of Syria’s Bashar Al-Assad
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180412-israel-minister-calls-for-assassination-of-syrias-bashar-al-assad/

    I say we retaliate by striking at Israeli airfields, and then the Jews in Israel will get to make a choice between a Holocaust 2.0 or a climbdown.

    • 回复: @Greasy William
    @费利克斯·凯维里奇(Felix Keverich)


    I say we retaliate by striking at Israeli airfields, and then the Jews in Israel will get to make a choice between a Holocaust 2.0 or a climbdown.
     
    You're not gonna do shit.
  286. @Felix Keverich
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    For the record, I have never talked about attacking Russian soldiers or toppling Assad and nobody in Israel is talking about that either.
     
    你在说谎。

    Israel minister calls for assassination of Syria’s Bashar Al-Assad
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180412-israel-minister-calls-for-assassination-of-syrias-bashar-al-assad/

    I say we retaliate by striking at Israeli airfields, and then the Jews in Israel will get to make a choice between a Holocaust 2.0 or a climbdown.

    回复:@Greasy William

    I say we retaliate by striking at Israeli airfields, and then the Jews in Israel will get to make a choice between a Holocaust 2.0 or a climbdown.

    You’re not gonna do shit.

  287. @utu
    @乌图

    I could have said this: A weak state like Russia can take political advantage of nuclear weapons it possesses only if the other side is convinced that Russia will use them when Russia says it would. Even if Russia's imposed conditions would be frivolous or unreasonable. If Russia said it will nuke you for jaywalking the jaywalking would stop immediately if Russia was believed. If Russia was believed it could stop Israel intrusions into Syria with one short phone call. The problem here is not that Russia is not believed but that Russia like everybody here is telling me is not even trying to be believed. So the consensu here is:


    Let Israel bomb Syria.
     
    Those of you who live in Russia should get ready for the triumphant return to Russia not of Russian troop because they will come back with their tails between legs but for the return of Khodorkovsky and the rest of them.

    Replies: @Felix Keverich, @AaronB, @reiner Tor

    Russia is not weak. But it’s a “one-dimentional power”, meaning that the use military is the only way for Russia to have its voice heard and its interests respected. If Russia is not willing to use its guns, nobody in the world will pay much attention to the Kremlin. We might as well pack up from Syria and go home.

    • 回复: @Dmitry
    @费利克斯·凯维里奇(Felix Keverich)

    As well as being on the five permanent members of the UN security council, which is the only real power center in international diplomacy (China, France, Russian Federation, the United Kingdom, and the United States).

    In addition, world's largest supplier of oil, world's largest supplier of gas. By far the largest populated country in Europe (146 million people, compared to second place Germany with around 80 million).

    And the world's largest nuclear weapons capacity.

    All that said, I don't really see relevance of the power-balance to this issue.

    At UN security council, there was an attempt to condemn the US/French/UK airstrikes in Syria earlier in month. US/French/UK are powerful countries.

    But there has been no attempt to condemn Israeli airstrikes (conducted by a vastly weaker power).

    So it's not clear, and the best information we get is from reading the foreign media - what the actual viewpoint is of this kind of airstrike (which involves conflict between Iran and Israel inside Syria).

  288. @Greasy William
    Russia/Putin getting absolutely ripped apart by the Russophiles on social media. Lot's of talk about how Hitler should have finished Russia off. The Arabs/Iranians are even more extreme, saying that Russia is just as bad as Israel and America; presumably because Russia has a moral obligation to fight Syria and Iran's wars. Noticeable frustration from pro-Putin Russians over how ungrateful and worthless their allies are.

    I'm seeing 3 strategies being advocated for as to how to get rid of Israel in the aftermath of this latest attack:

    1. The most popular is for a military coup in Russia to replace Putin with a leader who will... I'm not really sure. I guess the new Russian nationalist leader will launch a nuclear strike on Israel but I haven't seen it spelled out yet.

    2. Iran should just develop it's own super weapons and then use them to conquer Israel.

    3. Do nothing because this is just Putin playing 4d chess. Putin wants Israel to blow up Iranian bases in Syria because doing so actually strengthens Iran and Syria while weakening Israel. Some are comparing this to Russia's scorched earth retreat against Napoleon. This line of thought is proving extremely unpopular with Arabs and Iranians.

    I'll make sure to keep you guys posted on the latest developments in Russophile strategy.


    edit: Should have included Magnier's take, as he is the Russophile king, they all worship him. He is saying that Iran's refusal to retaliate (for the 8 billionth time) is strategic brilliance because Iran knows that Israel is trying to lure them into a war. Keep in mind that only 2 months ago Magnier said that Iran and Syria wanted war with Israel and that Israel would do anything to avoid such a conflict.

    回复:@ Mitleser,@ Anatoly Karlin

    概要:

    1. Zradniks
    2. Svidomy (Arab-Iranian version)
    3. Mnogokhodovochniks

    • 回复: @Greasy William
    @Anatoly卡琳

    I'm reading Zhirinovsky's wiki for the first time now. Are we sure he isn't some type of long running controlled opposition? He reads like a western liberal's caricature of a Russian nationalist.

    This guy actually has support?

    Replies: @DFH, @Anatoly Karlin, @yevardian

  289. @Daniel Chieh
    @German_reader

    The Co-Prosperity Sphere was supposed to be assimilationist, but the Japanese rule in pretty much everywhere except Taiwan was incredibly brutal. There's a couple of American reviews on Korea, for example, which pretty much established that North and Southern Koreans were perfectly happy to put aside their significant differences if they could kill Japanese soldiers.

    For a variety of reasons, Japanese rule in Taiwan was much more established and therefore they were able to utilize less brutal measures, but they also replaced local languages with Japanese education. Taiwan was supposed to be a kind of showcase colony to demonstrate the presumed benevolence of the Imperial Japanese as well to future members. It was enough for them to run a loss, since its purpose was to encourage other future colonies to give up peacefully.

    The KMT, on the other hand, needed to establish order and setup for economic stability while dealing with the very real dual threat of invasion from the mainland and internal sympathizers to the Communists. As I mentioned before, whatever the KMT crimes might have been, they had goals which they needed to establish. Its hard to see what the TaiDu rivals wanted to accomplish, then or now. TaiDu has been in power for some time, and as far as I can see, they've only accomplished in simultaneously provoking China while making no serious efforts at either political or military resistance.

    As far as I can tell, their greatest accomplishment has been to elect a cat lady to be their leader.

    Tsai is unmarried and has no children. Tsai is known to be a cat lover, and her two cats, "Think Think" and "Ah Tsai", featured prominently in her election campaign. In October 2016, she adopted three retired guide dogs, named Bella, Bunny and Maru.
     

    The KMT descendants remain the overwhelming majority of the military as well, while the non-KMT politicians are the ones agitating to get an invasion from China. There is this entire scenario of simultaneous idiocy and cowardice that I can't really forgive.

    回复:@songbird

    People wonder why Japan has such a low amount of crime. Many interpretations, some obvious. One not as obvious would be that they killed a lot of people for minor transgressions until fairly recently (August, 1945.) If I recall, in Korea, (pre-war) they used to chop off people’s limbs with swords. Korea did develop under them, but probably didn’t need them.

    • 回复: @Daniel Chieh
    @鸣禽

    Gene-culture co-evolution. At any rate, Japan seemed like they were spazzing out with massacres such as Nanking which didn't earn them any admiration.

    I think had the Japanese been less ambitious and had better control of their soldiers, they might have done much better.

    回复:@songbird

  290. @Anatoly Karlin
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    概要:

    1. Zradniks
    2. Svidomy (Arab-Iranian version)
    3. Mnogokhodovochniks

    回复:@Greasy William

    I’m reading Zhirinovsky’s wiki for the first time now. Are we sure he isn’t some type of long running controlled opposition? He reads like a western liberal’s caricature of a Russian nationalist.

    This guy actually has support?

    • 回复: @DFH
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)


    Are we sure he isn’t some type of long running controlled opposition?
     
    Did anyone ever think he wasn't?
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    Genuine support? No. He does sometimes say nationalist sounding things - much more so than anybody else - so some nationalists vote for him. Others vote for him for the entertainment. But there's no real cultural or intellectual strength behind him and the LDPR.

    There are approximately three major real nationalist locuses:

    1. Various Soviet dinosaurs - Dugin, Limonov, Prokhanov. Leftist, USSR friendly, anti-Semitic, anti-Ukrainian. Influence is on the wane.

    2. "National democrats" - pro-Westernist, pro-Ukrainian, racialists (in the idiotic Nazi larping sense, not the HBD sense), sort of anti-Semites but cavorted a lot with liberal Jews. Were discredited after 2014.

    3. Various White Guardists - Central locus is Sputnik & Pogrom. Strictly Russian national interests, so Semitic-neutral and Western-neutral; anti-Soviet, anti-Ukrainian. Not a mass movement, but seem to have the most influence in the elites (e.g. Voloshin and Chubais (! of all people) have come out as readers).

    Also many more minor factions and subfactions.

    I intend to write a comprehensive mega-post about Russian nationalist factions sometime this year.

    回复:@Daniel Chieh

    , @yevardian
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    He may have been somewhat serious back in '93 where he managed to gain a plurality of the vote, mainly due to Yeltin and that Zyuganov, despite having good points, is one of the most boring men alive.
    Zhirik, despite his clowning, is actually very intelligent, after resigning any serious attempt to win, he's played his role of court-jester with gusto ever since, occasionally mixing in serious proposals between OTT trolling in a Shakespearean manner. He certainly has a better grasp of high culture than most Russian politicans, I was looking for his 'Gogol' speech but couldn't find it with subtitles.

  291. @Greasy William
    @米特勒

    What's the Zahal? Is that what Russians call the IDF?


    Well, you said that this is exactly what the leader of Israel
     
    Bibi, want war? Are you kidding me? Hell no Bibi doesn't want war.

    The IDF wants war because they have lost their fucking minds. I'm happy to provide you guys with analysis of Israel but I can't explain the IDF's thinking on this or any other subject. They do things their own way and always have.

    But Israel, Russia, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Bibi and the IDF aren't important. What's important is that Magnier is gay.

    edit: Oh now I understand what you're saying. It's hypocritical of me to bash Magnier for saying something when I myself just said the exact same thing.

    I see why you would think that, but you need to keep in mind that... hey, what's that over there! ::runs away::

    回复:@reiner Tor,@ Dmitry

    What’s the Zahal? Is that what Russians call the IDF?

    Lol Greasy you have to be a troll when you comment on Israel.

    Zaba (or tzaba) = military
    hahaganah = the defense
    l‘yisrael = to Israel

    This is the official name (‘IDF’ is the English translation, that is only in America).

    Even Indian fanboys who post on youtube, seem to call it Zahal –

  292. @Mitleser
    @乌图

    Why let their opponents win everything?

    https://twitter.com/Future_Cities/status/940184192046043136

    The KMT has never wanted an independent Taiwan.

    回复:@songbird

    Is it really an “authoritarian legacy?” Is Taiwan authoritarian today? Not by the standard of the writer, I’d guess, which makes it sort of an illogical construction. A similar thing could be said about South Korea.

    I’ve known a few people from Taiwan or with Taiwanese parents. None of them thought of Taiwan as being wholly separate. I wonder if the expats living in the West and observing are less pozzed than the people on the island.

  293. @utu
    @乌图

    I could have said this: A weak state like Russia can take political advantage of nuclear weapons it possesses only if the other side is convinced that Russia will use them when Russia says it would. Even if Russia's imposed conditions would be frivolous or unreasonable. If Russia said it will nuke you for jaywalking the jaywalking would stop immediately if Russia was believed. If Russia was believed it could stop Israel intrusions into Syria with one short phone call. The problem here is not that Russia is not believed but that Russia like everybody here is telling me is not even trying to be believed. So the consensu here is:


    Let Israel bomb Syria.
     
    Those of you who live in Russia should get ready for the triumphant return to Russia not of Russian troop because they will come back with their tails between legs but for the return of Khodorkovsky and the rest of them.

    Replies: @Felix Keverich, @AaronB, @reiner Tor

    You see here why Jews are ascendant, and the West in decline.

    Greasy William has passion and fierceness, conviction, willing to sacrifice himself and his country for his cause. He is not “reasonable”, but irrational, emotion, loyal. He has what the Greeks called “thumos” – the source of all motivation. Greasy William may be wrong, but he’s admirable.

    Now a milquetoast like reiner tor will take talk to you about “game theory”, reasonableness, how America is just too powerful and all the other defeatist stuff. You get the sense he’s too reasonable to have emotions, and will wilt if exposed to too much sunlight.

    And so it is for most white commenters on this blog. Insipid.

    This is the difference between having a religion and not having one. And there is nothing to be done about it – one can only hope the next generation will be raised with a religion. There is nothing to expect from the older generation of white people. They are not worth arguing with or taking seriously.

    • 回复: @Anon
    @亚伦B


    Greasy William has passion
     
    Indeed, many-directed and frequently expressed.
    , @for-the-record
    @亚伦B

    Now a milquetoast like reiner tor . . . one can only hope the next generation will be raised with a religion. There is nothing to expect from the older generation of white people. They are not worth arguing with or taking seriously.

    You're really fixated on this, as if your generation (and those that follow) will be blessed (by God no doubt) with all the wisdom that those older than you lack. Do you really think that religion is the solution to all problems?

    Personally, you come across as an insufferable arrogant little shit, but then again I'm just your typical passionless insipid milquetoast.

    回复:@ AaronB,@ AaronB

    , @Dmitry
    @亚伦B

    I think Greasy, nice fellow as he seems otherwise, is trolling us.

    He doesn't know (or pretends he doesn't know) what is almost the most pervasive and commonly heard Hebrew word that can exist and you can hear in Israel - "Zahal". At the same time he claims to be a true Jewish believer (which is a person who reads only in Hebrew, at least when reading the holy texts of the religion of Judaism).

    回复:@AaronB

    , @German_reader
    @亚伦B


    Greasy William has passion and fierceness, conviction, willing to sacrifice himself and his country for his cause.
     
    Yeah, what could possibly go wrong with a willingness to sacrifice oneself and one's country for a cause...
    You almost sound like the people who were enthusiastic about going to war in 1914 (Greasy does as well with his disturbing hope for a general Mideast war). Didn't turn out that great, and did more to reduce Europe to its present weakness than any loss of religion ever could have.

    回复:@ AaronB,@ songbird

  294. @Greasy William
    @Anatoly卡琳

    I'm reading Zhirinovsky's wiki for the first time now. Are we sure he isn't some type of long running controlled opposition? He reads like a western liberal's caricature of a Russian nationalist.

    This guy actually has support?

    Replies: @DFH, @Anatoly Karlin, @yevardian

    Are we sure he isn’t some type of long running controlled opposition?

    Did anyone ever think he wasn’t?

  295. @utu
    @乌图

    I could have said this: A weak state like Russia can take political advantage of nuclear weapons it possesses only if the other side is convinced that Russia will use them when Russia says it would. Even if Russia's imposed conditions would be frivolous or unreasonable. If Russia said it will nuke you for jaywalking the jaywalking would stop immediately if Russia was believed. If Russia was believed it could stop Israel intrusions into Syria with one short phone call. The problem here is not that Russia is not believed but that Russia like everybody here is telling me is not even trying to be believed. So the consensu here is:


    Let Israel bomb Syria.
     
    Those of you who live in Russia should get ready for the triumphant return to Russia not of Russian troop because they will come back with their tails between legs but for the return of Khodorkovsky and the rest of them.

    Replies: @Felix Keverich, @AaronB, @reiner Tor

    I found that proposal interesting. (And wrong, of course.)

    if the other side is convinced that Russia will use them when Russia says it would. Even if Russia’s imposed conditions would be frivolous or unreasonable. If Russia said it will nuke you for jaywalking the jaywalking would stop immediately if Russia was believed.

    Well.. if you were the Israeli Prime Minister, or US President, and Russia demanded that you dance naked on the street and upload the video to YouTube, and you firmly believed that the Russians would really nuke your country if you didn’t, would you

    A) dance naked, and upload it to YouTube
    B) prepare for a nuclear war with Russia (while of course hoping they’re not as insane to start a nuclear war over this)
    C) other (write what you’d do)

    ?

    I guess most people (at the very least most people who had enough drive to power to become actually, like, powerful) would choose B). And the politicians would have no problem convincing the people to follow them to nuclear war. You propose most (or all?) people would choose A).

    I think your theory of the mind is wrong.

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @reiner托尔

    Though maybe you're right about some type of people.

    I always wondered about crimes like that:


    "the Carrs forced their hostages to strip naked and then bound them. They then repeatedly raped the two women, and forced the men to engage in sexual acts with the women and the women with each other."
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wichita_Massacre

    I don't know how I'd react in a situation like this, but I'd assume if they were forcing me to engage in sexual acts in front of them, then they won't let me out alive. Why give them their fun?

    Anyway, threatening with a nuclear war is not exactly the same type of situation. I certainly wouldn't engage in sexual acts if I also had a gun.
    , @utu
    @reiner托尔

    Try to read more carefully next time. In the sentence

    If Russia said it will nuke you for jaywalking the jaywalking would stop immediately if Russia was believed.

    the key phrase is "if Russia was believed."

    回复:@reiner Tor

  296. @AaronB
    @乌图

    You see here why Jews are ascendant, and the West in decline.

    Greasy William has passion and fierceness, conviction, willing to sacrifice himself and his country for his cause. He is not "reasonable", but irrational, emotion, loyal. He has what the Greeks called "thumos" - the source of all motivation. Greasy William may be wrong, but he's admirable.

    Now a milquetoast like reiner tor will take talk to you about "game theory", reasonableness, how America is just too powerful and all the other defeatist stuff. You get the sense he's too reasonable to have emotions, and will wilt if exposed to too much sunlight.

    And so it is for most white commenters on this blog. Insipid.

    This is the difference between having a religion and not having one. And there is nothing to be done about it - one can only hope the next generation will be raised with a religion. There is nothing to expect from the older generation of white people. They are not worth arguing with or taking seriously.

    Replies: @Anon, @for-the-record, @Dmitry, @German_reader

    Greasy William has passion

    Indeed, many-directed and frequently expressed.

  297. @AaronB
    @乌图

    You see here why Jews are ascendant, and the West in decline.

    Greasy William has passion and fierceness, conviction, willing to sacrifice himself and his country for his cause. He is not "reasonable", but irrational, emotion, loyal. He has what the Greeks called "thumos" - the source of all motivation. Greasy William may be wrong, but he's admirable.

    Now a milquetoast like reiner tor will take talk to you about "game theory", reasonableness, how America is just too powerful and all the other defeatist stuff. You get the sense he's too reasonable to have emotions, and will wilt if exposed to too much sunlight.

    And so it is for most white commenters on this blog. Insipid.

    This is the difference between having a religion and not having one. And there is nothing to be done about it - one can only hope the next generation will be raised with a religion. There is nothing to expect from the older generation of white people. They are not worth arguing with or taking seriously.

    Replies: @Anon, @for-the-record, @Dmitry, @German_reader

    Now a milquetoast like reiner tor . . . one can only hope the next generation will be raised with a religion. There is nothing to expect from the older generation of white people. They are not worth arguing with or taking seriously.

    You’re really fixated on this, as if your generation (and those that follow) will be blessed (by God no doubt) with all the wisdom that those older than you lack. Do you really think that religion is the solution to all problems?

    Personally, you come across as an insufferable arrogant little shit, but then again I’m just your typical passionless insipid milquetoast.

    • 同意: German_reader
    • 回复: @AaronB
    @作为记录

    Good! You should be angry, and you should find me insufferable. It means there may - may - be a spark of life in you yet.


    When the highest type of men hear the Tao (truth), they try hard to live in accordance with it.

    When the mediocre type hear the Tao, they seem to be aware and yet unaware of it.

    When the lowest type hear the Tao, they break into loud laughter–if it were not laughed at, it would not be Tao.
     
    , @AaronB
    @作为记录

    And yes, I do think religion is the answer - literally the only answer.

    To flip Ibsen on his head, "the weakest man is he who stands most alone". An individualist can only ever be a milquetoast, slowly wilting away. If you want to be motivated and self-confident, connect to something larger than yourself.

  298. • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @reiner托尔

    Netanyahu: Iran had secret 'Project Amad' to design, produce and test warheads

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/30/netanyahu-claims-to-show-irans-secret-nuclear-files-obtained-by-israel.html

    回复:@German_reader

  299. @for-the-record
    @亚伦B

    Now a milquetoast like reiner tor . . . one can only hope the next generation will be raised with a religion. There is nothing to expect from the older generation of white people. They are not worth arguing with or taking seriously.

    You're really fixated on this, as if your generation (and those that follow) will be blessed (by God no doubt) with all the wisdom that those older than you lack. Do you really think that religion is the solution to all problems?

    Personally, you come across as an insufferable arrogant little shit, but then again I'm just your typical passionless insipid milquetoast.

    回复:@ AaronB,@ AaronB

    Good! You should be angry, and you should find me insufferable. It means there may – may – be a spark of life in you yet.

    When the highest type of men hear the Tao (truth), they try hard to live in accordance with it.

    When the mediocre type hear the Tao, they seem to be aware and yet unaware of it.

    When the lowest type hear the Tao, they break into loud laughter–if it were not laughed at, it would not be Tao.

  300. @AaronB
    @乌图

    You see here why Jews are ascendant, and the West in decline.

    Greasy William has passion and fierceness, conviction, willing to sacrifice himself and his country for his cause. He is not "reasonable", but irrational, emotion, loyal. He has what the Greeks called "thumos" - the source of all motivation. Greasy William may be wrong, but he's admirable.

    Now a milquetoast like reiner tor will take talk to you about "game theory", reasonableness, how America is just too powerful and all the other defeatist stuff. You get the sense he's too reasonable to have emotions, and will wilt if exposed to too much sunlight.

    And so it is for most white commenters on this blog. Insipid.

    This is the difference between having a religion and not having one. And there is nothing to be done about it - one can only hope the next generation will be raised with a religion. There is nothing to expect from the older generation of white people. They are not worth arguing with or taking seriously.

    Replies: @Anon, @for-the-record, @Dmitry, @German_reader

    I think Greasy, nice fellow as he seems otherwise, is trolling us.

    He doesn’t know (or pretends he doesn’t know) what is almost the most pervasive and commonly heard Hebrew word that can exist and you can hear in Israel – “Zahal”. At the same time he claims to be a true Jewish believer (which is a person who reads only in Hebrew, at least when reading the holy texts of the religion of Judaism).

    • 回复: @AaronB
    @德米特里

    I am sure Greasy knows the word Tzahal. Maybe he objected to the absence of a t.

    Incidentally, the French media uses the word tzahal, while the British media frequently uses IDF, while the American press most often used Israeli army. Interesting the differences.

    回复:@Dmitry

  301. @Greasy William
    @Anatoly卡琳

    I'm reading Zhirinovsky's wiki for the first time now. Are we sure he isn't some type of long running controlled opposition? He reads like a western liberal's caricature of a Russian nationalist.

    This guy actually has support?

    Replies: @DFH, @Anatoly Karlin, @yevardian

    Genuine support? No. He does sometimes say nationalist sounding things – much more so than anybody else – so some nationalists vote for him. Others vote for him for the entertainment. But there’s no real cultural or intellectual strength behind him and the LDPR.

    There are approximately three major real nationalist locuses:

    1. Various Soviet dinosaurs – Dugin, Limonov, Prokhanov. Leftist, USSR friendly, anti-Semitic, anti-Ukrainian. Influence is on the wane.

    2. “National democrats” – pro-Westernist, pro-Ukrainian, racialists (in the idiotic Nazi larping sense, not the HBD sense), sort of anti-Semites but cavorted a lot with liberal Jews. Were discredited after 2014.

    3. Various White Guardists – Central locus is Sputnik & Pogrom. Strictly Russian national interests, so Semitic-neutral and Western-neutral; anti-Soviet, anti-Ukrainian. Not a mass movement, but seem to have the most influence in the elites (e.g. Voloshin and Chubais (! of all people) have come out as readers).

    Also many more minor factions and subfactions.

    I intend to write a comprehensive mega-post about Russian nationalist factions sometime this year.

    • 回复: @Daniel Chieh
    @Anatoly卡琳

    I think you said that his core supporters include "trolls." I can't deny that its hard not to find him utterly entertaining.

    I think he won me around the time he supported both strip clubs and Orthodox values without a single hint of contradiction in him. This is a man of taste and conviction.

  302. @for-the-record
    @亚伦B

    Now a milquetoast like reiner tor . . . one can only hope the next generation will be raised with a religion. There is nothing to expect from the older generation of white people. They are not worth arguing with or taking seriously.

    You're really fixated on this, as if your generation (and those that follow) will be blessed (by God no doubt) with all the wisdom that those older than you lack. Do you really think that religion is the solution to all problems?

    Personally, you come across as an insufferable arrogant little shit, but then again I'm just your typical passionless insipid milquetoast.

    回复:@ AaronB,@ AaronB

    And yes, I do think religion is the answer – literally the only answer.

    To flip Ibsen on his head, “the weakest man is he who stands most alone”. An individualist can only ever be a milquetoast, slowly wilting away. If you want to be motivated and self-confident, connect to something larger than yourself.

  303. @reiner Tor
    @乌图

    I found that proposal interesting. (And wrong, of course.)


    if the other side is convinced that Russia will use them when Russia says it would. Even if Russia’s imposed conditions would be frivolous or unreasonable. If Russia said it will nuke you for jaywalking the jaywalking would stop immediately if Russia was believed.
     
    Well.. if you were the Israeli Prime Minister, or US President, and Russia demanded that you dance naked on the street and upload the video to YouTube, and you firmly believed that the Russians would really nuke your country if you didn't, would you

    A) dance naked, and upload it to YouTube
    B) prepare for a nuclear war with Russia (while of course hoping they're not as insane to start a nuclear war over this)
    C) other (write what you'd do)

    ?

    I guess most people (at the very least most people who had enough drive to power to become actually, like, powerful) would choose B). And the politicians would have no problem convincing the people to follow them to nuclear war. You propose most (or all?) people would choose A).

    I think your theory of the mind is wrong.

    回复:@reiner Tor,@ utu

    Though maybe you’re right about some type of people.

    I always wondered about crimes like that:

    “the Carrs forced their hostages to strip naked and then bound them. They then repeatedly raped the two women, and forced the men to engage in sexual acts with the women and the women with each other.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wichita_Massacre

    I don’t know how I’d react in a situation like this, but I’d assume if they were forcing me to engage in sexual acts in front of them, then they won’t let me out alive. Why give them their fun?

    Anyway, threatening with a nuclear war is not exactly the same type of situation. I certainly wouldn’t engage in sexual acts if I also had a gun.

  304. @Dmitry
    @亚伦B

    I think Greasy, nice fellow as he seems otherwise, is trolling us.

    He doesn't know (or pretends he doesn't know) what is almost the most pervasive and commonly heard Hebrew word that can exist and you can hear in Israel - "Zahal". At the same time he claims to be a true Jewish believer (which is a person who reads only in Hebrew, at least when reading the holy texts of the religion of Judaism).

    回复:@AaronB

    I am sure Greasy knows the word Tzahal. Maybe he objected to the absence of a t.

    Incidentally, the French media uses the word tzahal, while the British media frequently uses IDF, while the American press most often used Israeli army. Interesting the differences.

    • 回复: @Dmitry
    @亚伦B

    I think the better transliteration is with 'z' instead of 'tz', because as צ is at the beginning of the sentence, this sound of the word is more like 'zahal'. The 'tz' sound comes more when you put the letter inside a sentence e.g. 'in army' (בצבא) when it sounds more like 'betzava' to me.


    Zaba (or tzaba) = military

     

    Lol I actually made a mistake here with ב. (It is zava/tzava)所示。

    回复:@AaronB

  305. @Felix Keverich
    @乌图

    Russia is not weak. But it's a "one-dimentional power", meaning that the use military is the only way for Russia to have its voice heard and its interests respected. If Russia is not willing to use its guns, nobody in the world will pay much attention to the Kremlin. We might as well pack up from Syria and go home.

    回复:@Dmitry

    As well as being on the five permanent members of the UN security council, which is the only real power center in international diplomacy (China, France, Russian Federation, the United Kingdom, and the United States).

    In addition, world’s largest supplier of oil, world’s largest supplier of gas. By far the largest populated country in Europe (146 million people, compared to second place Germany with around 80 million).

    And the world’s largest nuclear weapons capacity.

    All that said, I don’t really see relevance of the power-balance to this issue.

    At UN security council, there was an attempt to condemn the US/French/UK airstrikes in Syria earlier in month. US/French/UK are powerful countries.

    But there has been no attempt to condemn Israeli airstrikes (conducted by a vastly weaker power).

    So it’s not clear, and the best information we get is from reading the foreign media – what the actual viewpoint is of this kind of airstrike (which involves conflict between Iran and Israel inside Syria).

  306. I’m surprised nobody else here seems to think the Bajau thing is important. IMO, it might be the most important HBD discovery in many years. A lot of the other mutational adaptations seem fairly minor by comparison.

    What makes the Bajau case so interesting is that it is directly about resource acquisition in a certain environment, but not about resource acquisition through the gut, skin, or by digestion, or by survivability to pathogens. Not only does that have massive implications, but it is a very easy example to understand, and even picture.

    To take one obvious implication, already theorized many years ago, if people in one area had soft soil where women could use a hoe to farm and others had hard soil where men had to be behind a plow. Well, then, those people are probably going to be really different. If the Bajau were influenced by their waters, it is a virtual certainty that others were influenced by their soils.

    • 回复: @Dmitry
    @鸣禽

    No I read your comment a few days ago and was searching about them on youtube.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGnZwiUmqfA

  307. @AaronB
    @德米特里

    I am sure Greasy knows the word Tzahal. Maybe he objected to the absence of a t.

    Incidentally, the French media uses the word tzahal, while the British media frequently uses IDF, while the American press most often used Israeli army. Interesting the differences.

    回复:@Dmitry

    I think the better transliteration is with ‘z’ instead of ‘tz’, because as צ is at the beginning of the sentence, this sound of the word is more like ‘zahal’. The ‘tz’ sound comes more when you put the letter inside a sentence e.g. ‘in army’ (בצבא) when it sounds more like ‘betzava’ to me.

    Zaba (or tzaba) = military

    Lol I actually made a mistake here with ב. (It is zava/tzava)所示。

    • 回复: @AaronB
    @德米特里

    No Israeli pronounces it with a z. That would suggest an accent. It's definitely a 'ts' sound. צ is always a 'ts' sound. Zayin is a z sound.

    Check out YouTube.

    回复:@Dmitry

  308. @songbird
    I'm surprised nobody else here seems to think the Bajau thing is important. IMO, it might be the most important HBD discovery in many years. A lot of the other mutational adaptations seem fairly minor by comparison.

    What makes the Bajau case so interesting is that it is directly about resource acquisition in a certain environment, but not about resource acquisition through the gut, skin, or by digestion, or by survivability to pathogens. Not only does that have massive implications, but it is a very easy example to understand, and even picture.

    To take one obvious implication, already theorized many years ago, if people in one area had soft soil where women could use a hoe to farm and others had hard soil where men had to be behind a plow. Well, then, those people are probably going to be really different. If the Bajau were influenced by their waters, it is a virtual certainty that others were influenced by their soils.

    回复:@Dmitry

    No I read your comment a few days ago and was searching about them on youtube.

  309. @AaronB
    @乌图

    You see here why Jews are ascendant, and the West in decline.

    Greasy William has passion and fierceness, conviction, willing to sacrifice himself and his country for his cause. He is not "reasonable", but irrational, emotion, loyal. He has what the Greeks called "thumos" - the source of all motivation. Greasy William may be wrong, but he's admirable.

    Now a milquetoast like reiner tor will take talk to you about "game theory", reasonableness, how America is just too powerful and all the other defeatist stuff. You get the sense he's too reasonable to have emotions, and will wilt if exposed to too much sunlight.

    And so it is for most white commenters on this blog. Insipid.

    This is the difference between having a religion and not having one. And there is nothing to be done about it - one can only hope the next generation will be raised with a religion. There is nothing to expect from the older generation of white people. They are not worth arguing with or taking seriously.

    Replies: @Anon, @for-the-record, @Dmitry, @German_reader

    Greasy William has passion and fierceness, conviction, willing to sacrifice himself and his country for his cause.

    Yeah, what could possibly go wrong with a willingness to sacrifice oneself and one’s country for a cause…
    You almost sound like the people who were enthusiastic about going to war in 1914 (Greasy does as well with his disturbing hope for a general Mideast war). Didn’t turn out that great, and did more to reduce Europe to its present weakness than any loss of religion ever could have.

    • 回复: @AaronB
    @German_reader

    You make a good point, and I was thinking that when I wrote my comment. Too much thumos, unrestrained by religion, is also problematic.

    But what strange and fatal defect of the West makes it swing constantly between extremes? Either you have an excess of thumos and do stupid things like 1914 and the Peloponnesian War, or you swing to the other extreme and let yourself get invaded and raped.

    Yes, 1914 is problematic - but do you think the current milquetoast situation is better? We know that in the West religion has led to strife, so we tried no-religion - " pas de zele", as Voltaire said. We now know that is not a solution - it merely dries up all sources of motivation, all springs of action, and all desire to live.

    So Western culture is now poised to go into a new stage - maybe, heaven forefend, balance? But to restore balance right now means restoring passion, community, and religion - this time in a balanced fashion. Nationalism but not empire. Religion but no contempt for other religions.

    It has become clear we cannot hide in the shadows because passion and religion are dangerous - because lack of these things, history has shown, is equally dangerous. Life is dangerous. Avoidance is not the answer. Learning to navigate danger is a task we cannot run from.

    回复:@ German_reader,@ AaronB

    , @songbird
    @German_reader

    The way that I view WWI, it was mostly about a willingness to sacrifice one's own countrymen. Not only from the perspective of the elites, but also on much lower levels. Teachers who knew they were too old to go to the front, tried to teach boys that war was a good thing. Similarly, many women encouraged men to fight. And all that was before the outbreak.

    回复:@German_reader

  310. @reiner Tor
    @乌图

    I found that proposal interesting. (And wrong, of course.)


    if the other side is convinced that Russia will use them when Russia says it would. Even if Russia’s imposed conditions would be frivolous or unreasonable. If Russia said it will nuke you for jaywalking the jaywalking would stop immediately if Russia was believed.
     
    Well.. if you were the Israeli Prime Minister, or US President, and Russia demanded that you dance naked on the street and upload the video to YouTube, and you firmly believed that the Russians would really nuke your country if you didn't, would you

    A) dance naked, and upload it to YouTube
    B) prepare for a nuclear war with Russia (while of course hoping they're not as insane to start a nuclear war over this)
    C) other (write what you'd do)

    ?

    I guess most people (at the very least most people who had enough drive to power to become actually, like, powerful) would choose B). And the politicians would have no problem convincing the people to follow them to nuclear war. You propose most (or all?) people would choose A).

    I think your theory of the mind is wrong.

    回复:@reiner Tor,@ utu

    Try to read more carefully next time. In the sentence

    If Russia said it will nuke you for jaywalking the jaywalking would stop immediately if Russia was believed.

    the key phrase is “if Russia was believed.”

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @乌图

    Well, the more outlandish and frivolous and the less reasonable the demands, the less likely it would be believed, obviously. But let me remove the phrase which made you misunderstand my comment. So please answer this:

    Well... if you were the Israeli Prime Minister, or US President, and Russia demanded that you dance naked on the street and upload the video to YouTube, and you firmly believed that the Russians would really nuke your country if you didn’t, would you

    A) dance naked, and upload it to YouTube
    B) prepare for a nuclear war with Russia
    C) other (write what you’d do)

    ?

    I’d choose B), and I think you’d choose B), too. I believe there’s no self-respecting government or head of state which would do otherwise. It’d also be pretty irrational to choose A).

  311. @Dmitry
    @亚伦B

    I think the better transliteration is with 'z' instead of 'tz', because as צ is at the beginning of the sentence, this sound of the word is more like 'zahal'. The 'tz' sound comes more when you put the letter inside a sentence e.g. 'in army' (בצבא) when it sounds more like 'betzava' to me.


    Zaba (or tzaba) = military

     

    Lol I actually made a mistake here with ב. (It is zava/tzava)所示。

    回复:@AaronB

    No Israeli pronounces it with a z. That would suggest an accent. It’s definitely a ‘ts’ sound. צ is always a ‘ts’ sound. Zayin is a z sound.

    Check out YouTube.

    • 回复: @Dmitry
    @亚伦B

    The צ in tzahal, is pronounced like 'Zahal' at the start of the sentence. It sounds like 'tz' if you put another word in front of it.

    So the issue of correct transliteration - both are used, but I think 'Zahal' is probably less misleading.

    As for letters 'zayin' - that's because there's plenty of redundancies with the consonants (tet and tav, samekh and shin, vav and bet, and even kaf and qof - in different contexts, these can all have the same sounds as each other, although there are grammatical rules for which are used).

  312. @AaronB
    @德米特里

    No Israeli pronounces it with a z. That would suggest an accent. It's definitely a 'ts' sound. צ is always a 'ts' sound. Zayin is a z sound.

    Check out YouTube.

    回复:@Dmitry

    The צ in tzahal, is pronounced like ‘Zahal’ at the start of the sentence. It sounds like ‘tz’ if you put another word in front of it.

    So the issue of correct transliteration – both are used, but I think ‘Zahal’ is probably less misleading.

    As for letters ‘zayin’ – that’s because there’s plenty of redundancies with the consonants (tet and tav, samekh and shin, vav and bet, and even kaf and qof – in different contexts, these can all have the same sounds as each other, although there are grammatical rules for which are used).

  313. @German_reader
    @亚伦B


    Greasy William has passion and fierceness, conviction, willing to sacrifice himself and his country for his cause.
     
    Yeah, what could possibly go wrong with a willingness to sacrifice oneself and one's country for a cause...
    You almost sound like the people who were enthusiastic about going to war in 1914 (Greasy does as well with his disturbing hope for a general Mideast war). Didn't turn out that great, and did more to reduce Europe to its present weakness than any loss of religion ever could have.

    回复:@ AaronB,@ songbird

    You make a good point, and I was thinking that when I wrote my comment. Too much thumos, unrestrained by religion, is also problematic.

    But what strange and fatal defect of the West makes it swing constantly between extremes? Either you have an excess of thumos and do stupid things like 1914 and the Peloponnesian War, or you swing to the other extreme and let yourself get invaded and raped.

    Yes, 1914 is problematic – but do you think the current milquetoast situation is better? We know that in the West religion has led to strife, so we tried no-religion – ” pas de zele”, as Voltaire said. We now know that is not a solution – it merely dries up all sources of motivation, all springs of action, and all desire to live.

    So Western culture is now poised to go into a new stage – maybe, heaven forefend, balance? But to restore balance right now means restoring passion, community, and religion – this time in a balanced fashion. Nationalism but not empire. Religion but no contempt for other religions.

    It has become clear we cannot hide in the shadows because passion and religion are dangerous – because lack of these things, history has shown, is equally dangerous. Life is dangerous. Avoidance is not the answer. Learning to navigate danger is a task we cannot run from.

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @亚伦B


    But to restore balance right now means restoring passion, community, and religion – this time in a balanced fashion. Nationalism but not empire.
     
    I actually agree with a lot of that...though I still find your enthusiasm for "religion" (which immediately raises the question "What kind of religion?") somewhat strange. I don't think a return to the premodern state of affairs is either possible or desirable in this regard.

    回复:@AaronB

    , @AaronB
    @亚伦B

    Also, I would point out that 1914 was itself a consequence of the steady erosion of religion, to where people felt bored and restless with the mechanical and materialistic life being offered them, with comfort as the highest ideal, and yet with nowhere for their energy and desire for transcendence to go.

    The solution is not to neuter peeople, castrate them, make them milquetoast s - but to provide them illegitimate religious outlets for their desire for transcendence.

  314. @German_reader
    @亚伦B


    Greasy William has passion and fierceness, conviction, willing to sacrifice himself and his country for his cause.
     
    Yeah, what could possibly go wrong with a willingness to sacrifice oneself and one's country for a cause...
    You almost sound like the people who were enthusiastic about going to war in 1914 (Greasy does as well with his disturbing hope for a general Mideast war). Didn't turn out that great, and did more to reduce Europe to its present weakness than any loss of religion ever could have.

    回复:@ AaronB,@ songbird

    The way that I view WWI, it was mostly about a willingness to sacrifice one’s own countrymen. Not only from the perspective of the elites, but also on much lower levels. Teachers who knew they were too old to go to the front, tried to teach boys that war was a good thing. Similarly, many women encouraged men to fight. And all that was before the outbreak.

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @鸣禽

    是的, 守望先锋 等等。
    Is somewhat of a problem for me, obviously I'm in favour of patriotic sentiment, but one has to recognize that it can lead to pretty disastrous results.

  315. @AaronB
    @German_reader

    You make a good point, and I was thinking that when I wrote my comment. Too much thumos, unrestrained by religion, is also problematic.

    But what strange and fatal defect of the West makes it swing constantly between extremes? Either you have an excess of thumos and do stupid things like 1914 and the Peloponnesian War, or you swing to the other extreme and let yourself get invaded and raped.

    Yes, 1914 is problematic - but do you think the current milquetoast situation is better? We know that in the West religion has led to strife, so we tried no-religion - " pas de zele", as Voltaire said. We now know that is not a solution - it merely dries up all sources of motivation, all springs of action, and all desire to live.

    So Western culture is now poised to go into a new stage - maybe, heaven forefend, balance? But to restore balance right now means restoring passion, community, and religion - this time in a balanced fashion. Nationalism but not empire. Religion but no contempt for other religions.

    It has become clear we cannot hide in the shadows because passion and religion are dangerous - because lack of these things, history has shown, is equally dangerous. Life is dangerous. Avoidance is not the answer. Learning to navigate danger is a task we cannot run from.

    回复:@ German_reader,@ AaronB

    But to restore balance right now means restoring passion, community, and religion – this time in a balanced fashion. Nationalism but not empire.

    I actually agree with a lot of that…though I still find your enthusiasm for “religion” (which immediately raises the question “What kind of religion?”) somewhat strange. I don’t think a return to the premodern state of affairs is either possible or desirable in this regard.

    • 回复: @AaronB
    @German_reader

    You say we cannot "return" - that is because you are captured by modern myths like evolution and progress. In fact, history is cyclical - rise and fall. Returns happen all the time. I wonder if the Romans thought they could never return to a less advanced state. We have already returned to a pre-modern state in many ways - loss of free speech, taboos, collapse in science, loss of interest in objectivity.

    If modernity is maladaptive, then not only is return possible, it is inevitable. Nothing is "frozen".

    My emphasis on religion is not strange, but crucial. There is no need to have a too restrictive view of it, however, nor is it necessary to abandon everything about modernity, although that may happen.

    As to what religion? Good point. The essence of a religion is that it is not chosen for rational reasons. We cannot analyze our way into it. As science collapses, and the obsession with over rational and hyper conscious control subsides, a religious synthesis will emerge, choosing us. It may emerge from the ruins of Christianity, or not.

    In the meangime, we can connect to something larger than ourselves now - God, community, other people. Recognize we are not individuals, logic is not final, and the divine is real. Draw inspiration from sacred texts. Cultivate morality. The precise rituals, traditions, etc will emerge over time in a non rational, communal process.

    But we must take the first step, even if it is our fate to be a transitional generation.

  316. @AaronB
    @German_reader

    You make a good point, and I was thinking that when I wrote my comment. Too much thumos, unrestrained by religion, is also problematic.

    But what strange and fatal defect of the West makes it swing constantly between extremes? Either you have an excess of thumos and do stupid things like 1914 and the Peloponnesian War, or you swing to the other extreme and let yourself get invaded and raped.

    Yes, 1914 is problematic - but do you think the current milquetoast situation is better? We know that in the West religion has led to strife, so we tried no-religion - " pas de zele", as Voltaire said. We now know that is not a solution - it merely dries up all sources of motivation, all springs of action, and all desire to live.

    So Western culture is now poised to go into a new stage - maybe, heaven forefend, balance? But to restore balance right now means restoring passion, community, and religion - this time in a balanced fashion. Nationalism but not empire. Religion but no contempt for other religions.

    It has become clear we cannot hide in the shadows because passion and religion are dangerous - because lack of these things, history has shown, is equally dangerous. Life is dangerous. Avoidance is not the answer. Learning to navigate danger is a task we cannot run from.

    回复:@ German_reader,@ AaronB

    Also, I would point out that 1914 was itself a consequence of the steady erosion of religion, to where people felt bored and restless with the mechanical and materialistic life being offered them, with comfort as the highest ideal, and yet with nowhere for their energy and desire for transcendence to go.

    The solution is not to neuter peeople, castrate them, make them milquetoast s – but to provide them illegitimate religious outlets for their desire for transcendence.

  317. @utu
    @reiner托尔

    Try to read more carefully next time. In the sentence

    If Russia said it will nuke you for jaywalking the jaywalking would stop immediately if Russia was believed.

    the key phrase is "if Russia was believed."

    回复:@reiner Tor

    Well, the more outlandish and frivolous and the less reasonable the demands, the less likely it would be believed, obviously. But let me remove the phrase which made you misunderstand my comment. So please answer this:

    Well… if you were the Israeli Prime Minister, or US President, and Russia demanded that you dance naked on the street and upload the video to YouTube, and you firmly believed that the Russians would really nuke your country if you didn’t, would you

    A) dance naked, and upload it to YouTube
    B) prepare for a nuclear war with Russia
    C) other (write what you’d do)

    ?

    I’d choose B), and I think you’d choose B), too. I believe there’s no self-respecting government or head of state which would do otherwise. It’d also be pretty irrational to choose A).

  318. @Daniel Chieh
    @乌图

    It wasn't ever realistic to become part of Japan(and post-war Japan was not about to get any more territory), and the pre-KMT Chinese are the ones in TaiDu now running around and being idiots. Its not really like they're doing anything useful nor did it really seem like they ever had a plan.

    KMT had their faults - overt ambition and a bullheaded refusal to give up on taking over the mainland among them, but at least they didn't think that they could gain independence through supporting same-sex marriage and other complete nonsequitors which presumably will bring "international attention." The degree of "not a serious country" and utter divorce from reality is hard to comprehend.

    回复:@utu

    I found the idea of independent Taiwan appealing when it was explicated to me by my Taiwanese friends many years ago. Some of them felt more affinity to Japan than China though they did not want to be a part of Japan. But even then they were realistic that it was already too late and they blamed KMT’s grandiosity for the missed opportunity. Taiwan will become a part of China sooner or later. Whatever is happening in Taiwan now is not really important. The independence activist or whatever they are will not change the course of things to come.

    • 回复: @Daniel Chieh
    @乌图

    但是, 有东西 they can do.

    They can run the country in a competent, even impressive way which will make Beijing second-guess themselves if acquisition or pressure is the right thing to do. Beijing does respect competence; they would get far more autonomy if they demonstrated competence. The problem is that Taiwan is an economic basket case on top of everything else; college students are graduating to less than $15k USD where mainland workers are earning between $30k to $80k for the same work.

    The Taiwanese problems are not primarily caused by China at the moment. It is the result of extensive incompetence currently being masked by cargo-culting Western values.

    回复:@utu

  319. @songbird
    @German_reader

    The way that I view WWI, it was mostly about a willingness to sacrifice one's own countrymen. Not only from the perspective of the elites, but also on much lower levels. Teachers who knew they were too old to go to the front, tried to teach boys that war was a good thing. Similarly, many women encouraged men to fight. And all that was before the outbreak.

    回复:@German_reader

    是的, 守望先锋 等等。
    Is somewhat of a problem for me, obviously I’m in favour of patriotic sentiment, but one has to recognize that it can lead to pretty disastrous results.

  320. @German_reader
    @亚伦B


    But to restore balance right now means restoring passion, community, and religion – this time in a balanced fashion. Nationalism but not empire.
     
    I actually agree with a lot of that...though I still find your enthusiasm for "religion" (which immediately raises the question "What kind of religion?") somewhat strange. I don't think a return to the premodern state of affairs is either possible or desirable in this regard.

    回复:@AaronB

    You say we cannot “return” – that is because you are captured by modern myths like evolution and progress. In fact, history is cyclical – rise and fall. Returns happen all the time. I wonder if the Romans thought they could never return to a less advanced state. We have already returned to a pre-modern state in many ways – loss of free speech, taboos, collapse in science, loss of interest in objectivity.

    If modernity is maladaptive, then not only is return possible, it is inevitable. Nothing is “frozen”.

    My emphasis on religion is not strange, but crucial. There is no need to have a too restrictive view of it, however, nor is it necessary to abandon everything about modernity, although that may happen.

    As to what religion? Good point. The essence of a religion is that it is not chosen for rational reasons. We cannot analyze our way into it. As science collapses, and the obsession with over rational and hyper conscious control subsides, a religious synthesis will emerge, choosing us. It may emerge from the ruins of Christianity, or not.

    In the meangime, we can connect to something larger than ourselves now – God, community, other people. Recognize we are not individuals, logic is not final, and the divine is real. Draw inspiration from sacred texts. Cultivate morality. The precise rituals, traditions, etc will emerge over time in a non rational, communal process.

    But we must take the first step, even if it is our fate to be a transitional generation.

  321. @reiner Tor
    Meanwhile in Israel...

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-30/israel-closes-airspace-near-syria-border-ahead-significant-netanyahu-speech-iran

    回复:@reiner Tor

    Netanyahu: Iran had secret ‘Project Amad’ to design, produce and test warheads

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/30/netanyahu-claims-to-show-irans-secret-nuclear-files-obtained-by-israel.html

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @reiner托尔


    "We've shared this material with the United States and the United States can vouch for its authenticity," Netanyahu said.
     
    Sure, who could ever suspect the Israelis or Americans of lying...
    Really looks like they're planning for a re-run of Iraq 2003.

    回复:@reiner Tor,@ reiner Tor

  322. @reiner Tor
    @reiner托尔

    Netanyahu: Iran had secret 'Project Amad' to design, produce and test warheads

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/30/netanyahu-claims-to-show-irans-secret-nuclear-files-obtained-by-israel.html

    回复:@German_reader

    “We’ve shared this material with the United States and the United States can vouch for its authenticity,” Netanyahu said.

    Sure, who could ever suspect the Israelis or Americans of lying…
    Really looks like they’re planning for a re-run of Iraq 2003.

    • 同意: reiner Tor
    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @German_reader

    Apparently they got some documents from Iran. I don’t know what or how they got, but I’m sure it’s less than what they make it out to be.

    回复:@ for-the-record

    , @reiner Tor
    @German_reader

    The sickening part is Putin will not help Iran much. He should already start sending them weapons.

  323. @German_reader
    @reiner托尔


    "We've shared this material with the United States and the United States can vouch for its authenticity," Netanyahu said.
     
    Sure, who could ever suspect the Israelis or Americans of lying...
    Really looks like they're planning for a re-run of Iraq 2003.

    回复:@reiner Tor,@ reiner Tor

    Apparently they got some documents from Iran. I don’t know what or how they got, but I’m sure it’s less than what they make it out to be.

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @reiner托尔

    I don’t know what or how they got

    As I understand it, it concerns Iran's pre-2003 programme and may be nothing new at all.

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/

    回复:@reiner Tor

  324. @German_reader
    @reiner托尔


    "We've shared this material with the United States and the United States can vouch for its authenticity," Netanyahu said.
     
    Sure, who could ever suspect the Israelis or Americans of lying...
    Really looks like they're planning for a re-run of Iraq 2003.

    回复:@reiner Tor,@ reiner Tor

    The sickening part is Putin will not help Iran much. He should already start sending them weapons.

  325. @utu
    @丹尼尔·齐(Daniel Chieh)

    I found the idea of independent Taiwan appealing when it was explicated to me by my Taiwanese friends many years ago. Some of them felt more affinity to Japan than China though they did not want to be a part of Japan. But even then they were realistic that it was already too late and they blamed KMT's grandiosity for the missed opportunity. Taiwan will become a part of China sooner or later. Whatever is happening in Taiwan now is not really important. The independence activist or whatever they are will not change the course of things to come.

    回复:@Daniel Chieh

    但是, 有东西 they can do.

    They can run the country in a competent, even impressive way which will make Beijing second-guess themselves if acquisition or pressure is the right thing to do. Beijing does respect competence; they would get far more autonomy if they demonstrated competence. The problem is that Taiwan is an economic basket case on top of everything else; college students are graduating to less than $15k USD where mainland workers are earning between $30k to $80k for the same work.

    The Taiwanese problems are not primarily caused by China at the moment. It is the result of extensive incompetence currently being masked by cargo-culting Western values.

    • 回复: @utu
    @丹尼尔·齐(Daniel Chieh)

    Thanks for the info. I do not follow what is happening in Taiwan so I was not aware that they were not doing well. Nevertheless I have known more Taiwanese than Mainlanders perhaps because I found Taiwanese less foreign more universal and most importantly not tainted with the Chinese chauvinism that I find rather scary though understandable but unpleasant enough to preclude closer relations with them. Just like I could not imagine close relationship with Bronze Age troglodytes of Greasy W. ilk though I understand where are they coming from.

    回复:@Daniel Chieh

  326. @Daniel Chieh
    @乌图

    但是, 有东西 they can do.

    They can run the country in a competent, even impressive way which will make Beijing second-guess themselves if acquisition or pressure is the right thing to do. Beijing does respect competence; they would get far more autonomy if they demonstrated competence. The problem is that Taiwan is an economic basket case on top of everything else; college students are graduating to less than $15k USD where mainland workers are earning between $30k to $80k for the same work.

    The Taiwanese problems are not primarily caused by China at the moment. It is the result of extensive incompetence currently being masked by cargo-culting Western values.

    回复:@utu

    Thanks for the info. I do not follow what is happening in Taiwan so I was not aware that they were not doing well. Nevertheless I have known more Taiwanese than Mainlanders perhaps because I found Taiwanese less foreign more universal and most importantly not tainted with the Chinese chauvinism that I find rather scary though understandable but unpleasant enough to preclude closer relations with them. Just like I could not imagine close relationship with Bronze Age troglodytes of Greasy W. ilk though I understand where are they coming from.

    • 回复: @Daniel Chieh
    @乌图

    The Taiwanese do tend to be more pleasant, but I wonder if it is in part due to the lack of thymos that they've been saddled with now. What is the driving philosophy of the Party to its mainlanders?

    "The Dragon will rise again! Sacrifice for the great rejuvenation of China, to claim our rightful place in the world as a superpower."

    What was the KMT promise, as grandiose as it was?

    "We must save our mainland cousins from the red bandits! We shall return even if we have to do it by infiltrating the Party and turning it into our values."

    And what does Taidu say?

    "...we are a democracy...our gays have more rights...we have human rights as understood by the UN..."

  327. @songbird
    @丹尼尔·齐(Daniel Chieh)

    People wonder why Japan has such a low amount of crime. Many interpretations, some obvious. One not as obvious would be that they killed a lot of people for minor transgressions until fairly recently (August, 1945.) If I recall, in Korea, (pre-war) they used to chop off people's limbs with swords. Korea did develop under them, but probably didn't need them.

    回复:@Daniel Chieh

    Gene-culture co-evolution. At any rate, Japan seemed like they were spazzing out with massacres such as Nanking which didn’t earn them any admiration.

    I think had the Japanese been less ambitious and had better control of their soldiers, they might have done much better.

    • 回复: @songbird
    @丹尼尔·齐(Daniel Chieh)

    The brutality of the Japanese during WW2 was really amazing. Easy to dismiss along the lines innertribal vs. extratribal, but I can't help but feel there was something more to it. Maybe, the geography of Japan made it much more hierarchical. I wonder if anyone ever did Stanley Milgram in Japan.

    That runaway ambition aspect of it is really fascinating. I know it is really cliche to compare people to Hitler or Tojo, etc., but the example of them both attacking the US is just so mindbogglingly stupid. I don't care what others say - Japan did not need to attack the US. I can't help but feel that there are many non-militaristic parallels to this elite hubris, among the globalists. Where it comes from, (the isolation? how they are selected?), and how to combat it is a very important matters which concern us all.

    Replies: @for-the-record, @Daniel Chieh, @German_reader

  328. @Anatoly Karlin
    @格拉西·威廉(Greasy William)

    Genuine support? No. He does sometimes say nationalist sounding things - much more so than anybody else - so some nationalists vote for him. Others vote for him for the entertainment. But there's no real cultural or intellectual strength behind him and the LDPR.

    There are approximately three major real nationalist locuses:

    1. Various Soviet dinosaurs - Dugin, Limonov, Prokhanov. Leftist, USSR friendly, anti-Semitic, anti-Ukrainian. Influence is on the wane.

    2. "National democrats" - pro-Westernist, pro-Ukrainian, racialists (in the idiotic Nazi larping sense, not the HBD sense), sort of anti-Semites but cavorted a lot with liberal Jews. Were discredited after 2014.

    3. Various White Guardists - Central locus is Sputnik & Pogrom. Strictly Russian national interests, so Semitic-neutral and Western-neutral; anti-Soviet, anti-Ukrainian. Not a mass movement, but seem to have the most influence in the elites (e.g. Voloshin and Chubais (! of all people) have come out as readers).

    Also many more minor factions and subfactions.

    I intend to write a comprehensive mega-post about Russian nationalist factions sometime this year.

    回复:@Daniel Chieh

    I think you said that his core supporters include “trolls.” I can’t deny that its hard not to find him utterly entertaining.

    I think he won me around the time he supported both strip clubs and Orthodox values without a single hint of contradiction in him. This is a man of taste and conviction.

  329. @utu
    @丹尼尔·齐(Daniel Chieh)

    Thanks for the info. I do not follow what is happening in Taiwan so I was not aware that they were not doing well. Nevertheless I have known more Taiwanese than Mainlanders perhaps because I found Taiwanese less foreign more universal and most importantly not tainted with the Chinese chauvinism that I find rather scary though understandable but unpleasant enough to preclude closer relations with them. Just like I could not imagine close relationship with Bronze Age troglodytes of Greasy W. ilk though I understand where are they coming from.

    回复:@Daniel Chieh

    The Taiwanese do tend to be more pleasant, but I wonder if it is in part due to the lack of thymos that they’ve been saddled with now. What is the driving philosophy of the Party to its mainlanders?

    “The Dragon will rise again! Sacrifice for the great rejuvenation of China, to claim our rightful place in the world as a superpower.”

    What was the KMT promise, as grandiose as it was?

    “We must save our mainland cousins from the red bandits! We shall return even if we have to do it by infiltrating the Party and turning it into our values.”

    And what does Taidu say?

    “…we are a democracy…our gays have more rights…we have human rights as understood by the UN…”

  330. @reiner Tor
    @German_reader

    Apparently they got some documents from Iran. I don’t know what or how they got, but I’m sure it’s less than what they make it out to be.

    回复:@ for-the-record

    I don’t know what or how they got

    As I understand it, it concerns Iran’s pre-2003 programme and may be nothing new at all.

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @作为记录

    Most likely. I cannot imagine it’s anything more serious than a the Iraq WMD “evidence.” Not because I cannot imagine Iran secretly working on a nuclear program, but it’s always easier to lie than to truly find such secret evidence. And they being inveterate liars, there’s nothing to stop them from lying. So probably they are lying.

    回复:@ for-the-record

  331. US-led jets bombed pro-Assad forces advancing on Deir Ezzor: Report

    Last update: Monday 30 April 2018 12:58 UTC

    US-led coalition fighter jets reportedly bombarded pro-Syrian government forces on Sunday, rolling back their advance into oil-rich areas held by the Syrian Democratic Forces in eastern Syria.

    At least nine pro-government fighters were killed in the operation, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights activist group said, hours after the Syrian army claimed it had “liberated” four villages in Deir Ezzor province from the US-backed SDF.

    If confirmed, the attack would be a significant departure from the international coalition’s stated mission of battling the Islamic State group (IS) in Syria, instead seeing the US-led force fighting over territory not currently contested by the group.

    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-jets-bomb-pro-government-fighters-syria-operation-1276052674

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @作为记录

    How is it any different from the previous incident with the Russian Wagner mercenaries?

  332. @for-the-record
    @reiner托尔

    I don’t know what or how they got

    As I understand it, it concerns Iran's pre-2003 programme and may be nothing new at all.

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/

    回复:@reiner Tor

    Most likely. I cannot imagine it’s anything more serious than a the Iraq WMD “evidence.” Not because I cannot imagine Iran secretly working on a nuclear program, but it’s always easier to lie than to truly find such secret evidence. And they being inveterate liars, there’s nothing to stop them from lying. So probably they are lying.

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @reiner托尔

    My take is that their not lying really, just trying to make a mountain out of a molehill with regard to documents about a previous programme, which they will try to argue was not fully disclosed and hence represents the greatest sin since Eden.

    回复:@reiner Tor

  333. @reiner Tor
    @作为记录

    Most likely. I cannot imagine it’s anything more serious than a the Iraq WMD “evidence.” Not because I cannot imagine Iran secretly working on a nuclear program, but it’s always easier to lie than to truly find such secret evidence. And they being inveterate liars, there’s nothing to stop them from lying. So probably they are lying.

    回复:@ for-the-record

    My take is that their not lying really, just trying to make a mountain out of a molehill with regard to documents about a previous programme, which they will try to argue was not fully disclosed and hence represents the greatest sin since Eden.

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @作为记录

    Yes, but I’d call that lying. Since obviously they know that this is not really an active Iranian nuclear program, and they also are fully aware that they are making it sound like one.

  334. @for-the-record
    @reiner托尔

    My take is that their not lying really, just trying to make a mountain out of a molehill with regard to documents about a previous programme, which they will try to argue was not fully disclosed and hence represents the greatest sin since Eden.

    回复:@reiner Tor

    Yes, but I’d call that lying. Since obviously they know that this is not really an active Iranian nuclear program, and they also are fully aware that they are making it sound like one.

  335. @for-the-record

    US-led jets bombed pro-Assad forces advancing on Deir Ezzor: Report

    Last update: Monday 30 April 2018 12:58 UTC

    US-led coalition fighter jets reportedly bombarded pro-Syrian government forces on Sunday, rolling back their advance into oil-rich areas held by the Syrian Democratic Forces in eastern Syria.

    At least nine pro-government fighters were killed in the operation, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights activist group said, hours after the Syrian army claimed it had "liberated" four villages in Deir Ezzor province from the US-backed SDF.

    If confirmed, the attack would be a significant departure from the international coalition's stated mission of battling the Islamic State group (IS) in Syria, instead seeing the US-led force fighting over territory not currently contested by the group.

    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-jets-bomb-pro-government-fighters-syria-operation-1276052674
     

    回复:@reiner Tor

    How is it any different from the previous incident with the Russian Wagner mercenaries?

  336. @Daniel Chieh
    @鸣禽

    Gene-culture co-evolution. At any rate, Japan seemed like they were spazzing out with massacres such as Nanking which didn't earn them any admiration.

    I think had the Japanese been less ambitious and had better control of their soldiers, they might have done much better.

    回复:@songbird

    The brutality of the Japanese during WW2 was really amazing. Easy to dismiss along the lines innertribal vs. extratribal, but I can’t help but feel there was something more to it. Maybe, the geography of Japan made it much more hierarchical. I wonder if anyone ever did Stanley Milgram in Japan.

    That runaway ambition aspect of it is really fascinating. I know it is really cliche to compare people to Hitler or Tojo, etc., but the example of them both attacking the US is just so mindbogglingly stupid. I don’t care what others say – Japan did not need to attack the US. I can’t help but feel that there are many non-militaristic parallels to this elite hubris, among the globalists. Where it comes from, (the isolation? how they are selected?), and how to combat it is a very important matters which concern us all.

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @鸣禽

    I assume you have read John Toland's 旭日? I found it probably the best single book I have read in terms of understanding the Japanese "side", and the absolute suicidal nature of what they did (though many, perhaps even a majority, were against it). The amazing thing about the book, published in 1970,, is that Toland was able to interview so many of the actual participants, from "grunts" to political leaders (such as Marquis Kido, the Lord Keeper of the Privy Seal and intimate of Hirohito) to the principal Japanese spy at Pearl Harbor, important military personnel, Yamamoto's widow, etc.; and on the American side leaders such as Nimitz and John McCoy (Asst. Secretary of War).

    回复:@songbird

    , @Daniel Chieh
    @鸣禽

    他们甚至不需要攻击中国:



    关东军大佐板垣征四郎和石原宽二中校认为,满洲发生冲突最符合日本的利益,并本着日本“极国城”理念的精神,独立制定了一项计划,通过挑起日本的侵略行为,促使日本入侵满洲。事件源于驻扎在附近的中国军队。
     
    实际上,一些低级军官引发了一场大规模的战争,而他们对此从未有过明确的计划。当时中国人相当亲日,周恩来曾在日本接受教育,普遍认为日本是中国的榜样。

    被拖入中国这场漫长而昂贵的战争将消耗他们的资源,并开始攻击美国的长征。这些都没有任何意义。日本内部文件显示,他们非常清楚,他们的人民不具备任何地方或条件来试图占领中国这片广阔的地区,所以他们所能指望的就是……奇迹,真的。

    回复:@random rand

    , @German_reader
    @鸣禽


    Japan did not need to attack the US
     
    Could they actually have gobbled up the European colonies in Southeast Asia without the US declaring war on them?
    I know they already had troops in French Indochina and Thailand before Pearl Harbor, but how would the US have reacted if they had invaded British Malaya and the Dutch East Indies without attacking American forces in the Philippines?

    Replies: @for-the-record, @Daniel Chieh, @songbird

  337. @songbird
    @丹尼尔·齐(Daniel Chieh)

    The brutality of the Japanese during WW2 was really amazing. Easy to dismiss along the lines innertribal vs. extratribal, but I can't help but feel there was something more to it. Maybe, the geography of Japan made it much more hierarchical. I wonder if anyone ever did Stanley Milgram in Japan.

    That runaway ambition aspect of it is really fascinating. I know it is really cliche to compare people to Hitler or Tojo, etc., but the example of them both attacking the US is just so mindbogglingly stupid. I don't care what others say - Japan did not need to attack the US. I can't help but feel that there are many non-militaristic parallels to this elite hubris, among the globalists. Where it comes from, (the isolation? how they are selected?), and how to combat it is a very important matters which concern us all.

    Replies: @for-the-record, @Daniel Chieh, @German_reader

    I assume you have read John Toland’s 旭日? I found it probably the best single book I have read in terms of understanding the Japanese “side”, and the absolute suicidal nature of what they did (though many, perhaps even a majority, were against it). The amazing thing about the book, published in 1970,, is that Toland was able to interview so many of the actual participants, from “grunts” to political leaders (such as Marquis Kido, the Lord Keeper of the Privy Seal and intimate of Hirohito) to the principal Japanese spy at Pearl Harbor, important military personnel, Yamamoto’s widow, etc.; and on the American side leaders such as Nimitz and John McCoy (Asst. Secretary of War).

    • 回复: @songbird
    @作为记录

    I've not read the book, but I'll put it on my reading list.

  338. @songbird
    @丹尼尔·齐(Daniel Chieh)

    The brutality of the Japanese during WW2 was really amazing. Easy to dismiss along the lines innertribal vs. extratribal, but I can't help but feel there was something more to it. Maybe, the geography of Japan made it much more hierarchical. I wonder if anyone ever did Stanley Milgram in Japan.

    That runaway ambition aspect of it is really fascinating. I know it is really cliche to compare people to Hitler or Tojo, etc., but the example of them both attacking the US is just so mindbogglingly stupid. I don't care what others say - Japan did not need to attack the US. I can't help but feel that there are many non-militaristic parallels to this elite hubris, among the globalists. Where it comes from, (the isolation? how they are selected?), and how to combat it is a very important matters which concern us all.

    Replies: @for-the-record, @Daniel Chieh, @German_reader

    他们甚至不需要攻击中国:

    关东军大佐板垣征四郎和石原宽二中校认为,满洲发生冲突最符合日本的利益,并本着日本“极国城”理念的精神,独立制定了一项计划,通过挑起日本的侵略行为,促使日本入侵满洲。事件源于驻扎在附近的中国军队。

    实际上,一些低级军官引发了一场大规模的战争,而他们对此从未有过明确的计划。当时中国人相当亲日,周恩来曾在日本接受教育,普遍认为日本是中国的榜样。

    Getting dragged into the long and expensive war in China would cost them resources and began the long march toward attacking the United States. None of it really made any sense; Japanese internal documents showed that they were quite aware that their population was not in any place or position to try to occupy the extensive area that was China, so all they could hope for was…miracles, really.

    • 回复: @random rand
    @丹尼尔·齐(Daniel Chieh)

    Even more hilarious is that apparently Kanji Ishiwara didn't even want to expand the war with China after taking Manchuria. The dude seems to be a true believer of East Asian cooperation. From a geopolitical point of view, Japan wanting Manchuria is understandable since they had to drastically expand their industrial base if they wanted to be taken seriously as a world power. Expanding their invasion into the rest of China is bizarre. IIRC the KMT was willing to give up Manchuria, was even willing to come to a settlement with Japan after Shanghai, but any settlement basically became impossible after Nanjing.

  339. @songbird
    @丹尼尔·齐(Daniel Chieh)

    The brutality of the Japanese during WW2 was really amazing. Easy to dismiss along the lines innertribal vs. extratribal, but I can't help but feel there was something more to it. Maybe, the geography of Japan made it much more hierarchical. I wonder if anyone ever did Stanley Milgram in Japan.

    That runaway ambition aspect of it is really fascinating. I know it is really cliche to compare people to Hitler or Tojo, etc., but the example of them both attacking the US is just so mindbogglingly stupid. I don't care what others say - Japan did not need to attack the US. I can't help but feel that there are many non-militaristic parallels to this elite hubris, among the globalists. Where it comes from, (the isolation? how they are selected?), and how to combat it is a very important matters which concern us all.

    Replies: @for-the-record, @Daniel Chieh, @German_reader

    Japan did not need to attack the US

    Could they actually have gobbled up the European colonies in Southeast Asia without the US declaring war on them?
    I know they already had troops in French Indochina and Thailand before Pearl Harbor, but how would the US have reacted if they had invaded British Malaya and the Dutch East Indies without attacking American forces in the Philippines?

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @German_reader

    Could they actually have gobbled up the European colonies in Southeast Asia without the US declaring war on them?

    Almost certainly not, but they could have simply stuck with Manchuria.

    回复:@German_reader

    , @Daniel Chieh
    @German_reader

    Even with just Korea and Taiwan, they would have been in an excellent position territorially.

    , @songbird
    @German_reader

    There are two separate issues:

    Political: The US had a strong isolationist streak. Despite the machinations of FDR, real war (total commitment) at that time, IMO, needed real provocation. Something like the Lusitania, to stir up the public. I think the good example would be Germany - Germany was in strategic position to harm the US in much more realistic way than Japan was, being so much closer. But the US did not declare war. The US was pretty resource-independent, at least on the level of the Western hemisphere, and I don't see why they would have declared war on Japan and not Germany.

    FDR was already a three-term president, and there was a lot of dislike and resistance to him, in part because of it. There were people switching parties and even mainstream Hollywood movies that seemed to tacitly show displeasure. I think he understood there were limits to his power. Not to mention, Congress would not have been corralled. WW2 was the last time the US was totally committed to war on an economic level. Vietnam and Korea were only partial affairs, destructive dabblings.

    Then there is the economic side for Japan: Japan didn't really need the resources - unless they were fighting the US. There wasn't any other power that could realistically challenge them at the time. They could have tightened their belts, found alternatives, endured a recession, and shown there was a limit to their territorial ambitions, while making peace overtures, even through a public campaign, which would have made it darn near impossible for war to break out.

    回复:@German_reader

  340. @German_reader
    @鸣禽


    Japan did not need to attack the US
     
    Could they actually have gobbled up the European colonies in Southeast Asia without the US declaring war on them?
    I know they already had troops in French Indochina and Thailand before Pearl Harbor, but how would the US have reacted if they had invaded British Malaya and the Dutch East Indies without attacking American forces in the Philippines?

    Replies: @for-the-record, @Daniel Chieh, @songbird

    Could they actually have gobbled up the European colonies in Southeast Asia without the US declaring war on them?

    Almost certainly not, but they could have simply stuck with Manchuria.

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @作为记录


    Almost certainly not, but they could have simply stuck with Manchuria.
     
    Yes, but by 1941 they were bogged down in their war in China, and if I understand correctly the American oil embargo would have severely hindered (crippled?) their war effort, so they felt they had to acquire the oil (and other resources like rubber) of Southeast Asia...otherwise they would have needed to end their imperial project.
    Of course it would have been better if they had never even begun with it.

    回复:@ for-the-record

  341. @German_reader
    @鸣禽


    Japan did not need to attack the US
     
    Could they actually have gobbled up the European colonies in Southeast Asia without the US declaring war on them?
    I know they already had troops in French Indochina and Thailand before Pearl Harbor, but how would the US have reacted if they had invaded British Malaya and the Dutch East Indies without attacking American forces in the Philippines?

    Replies: @for-the-record, @Daniel Chieh, @songbird

    Even with just Korea and Taiwan, they would have been in an excellent position territorially.

  342. @for-the-record
    @German_reader

    Could they actually have gobbled up the European colonies in Southeast Asia without the US declaring war on them?

    Almost certainly not, but they could have simply stuck with Manchuria.

    回复:@German_reader

    Almost certainly not, but they could have simply stuck with Manchuria.

    Yes, but by 1941 they were bogged down in their war in China, and if I understand correctly the American oil embargo would have severely hindered (crippled?) their war effort, so they felt they had to acquire the oil (and other resources like rubber) of Southeast Asia…otherwise they would have needed to end their imperial project.
    Of course it would have been better if they had never even begun with it.

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @German_reader

    The US would in fact have accepted a "withdrawal" to Manchuria. Unfortunately Hull's "ultimatum" of 26 November was poorly worded: he insisted on a withdrawal from "China", which for him did not include Manchuria; the Japanese understood it to require withdrawal from Manchuria, which was a total nonstarter for them.

    John Toland (旭日)采访了参与最终战争审议的多位日本高级官员,当他们得知这一误解时,他们的反应虽然并不完全一致,但强烈表明与美国的战争完全可以避免。

    回复:@German_reader

  343. @German_reader
    @鸣禽


    Japan did not need to attack the US
     
    Could they actually have gobbled up the European colonies in Southeast Asia without the US declaring war on them?
    I know they already had troops in French Indochina and Thailand before Pearl Harbor, but how would the US have reacted if they had invaded British Malaya and the Dutch East Indies without attacking American forces in the Philippines?

    Replies: @for-the-record, @Daniel Chieh, @songbird

    There are two separate issues:

    Political: The US had a strong isolationist streak. Despite the machinations of FDR, real war (total commitment) at that time, IMO, needed real provocation. Something like the Lusitania, to stir up the public. I think the good example would be Germany – Germany was in strategic position to harm the US in much more realistic way than Japan was, being so much closer. But the US did not declare war. The US was pretty resource-independent, at least on the level of the Western hemisphere, and I don’t see why they would have declared war on Japan and not Germany.

    FDR was already a three-term president, and there was a lot of dislike and resistance to him, in part because of it. There were people switching parties and even mainstream Hollywood movies that seemed to tacitly show displeasure. I think he understood there were limits to his power. Not to mention, Congress would not have been corralled. WW2 was the last time the US was totally committed to war on an economic level. Vietnam and Korea were only partial affairs, destructive dabblings.

    Then there is the economic side for Japan: Japan didn’t really need the resources – unless they were fighting the US. There wasn’t any other power that could realistically challenge them at the time. They could have tightened their belts, found alternatives, endured a recession, and shown there was a limit to their territorial ambitions, while making peace overtures, even through a public campaign, which would have made it darn near impossible for war to break out.

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @鸣禽


    The US had a strong isolationist streak. Despite the machinations of FDR, real war (total commitment) at that time, IMO, needed real provocation.
     
    That's what I was wondering about...if the Japanese hadn't attacked US forces (and actually on US territory at that, Pearl Harbor was as provocative as one could get), but just invaded British Malaya and the Dutch East Indies, would Roosevelt have managed to bring about a declaration of war in reaction to that? European colonialism wasn't popular with the US public, so many Americans might not have cared that much about a change of colonial masters in Southeast Asia. I've never seen a discussion of such a counter-factual though, so I don't know if such a scenario was even remotely likely.

    They could have tightened their belts, found alternatives, endured a recession, and shown there was a limit to their territorial ambitions, while making peace overtures, even through a public campaign
     
    That would certainly have been the most prudent course of action.
    As I understand it, Japanese strategy depended to a large extent on the perception that Germany was winning the war in Europe, which of course turned out to be a serious miscalculation.

    回复:@ for-the-record

  344. @for-the-record
    @鸣禽

    I assume you have read John Toland's 旭日? I found it probably the best single book I have read in terms of understanding the Japanese "side", and the absolute suicidal nature of what they did (though many, perhaps even a majority, were against it). The amazing thing about the book, published in 1970,, is that Toland was able to interview so many of the actual participants, from "grunts" to political leaders (such as Marquis Kido, the Lord Keeper of the Privy Seal and intimate of Hirohito) to the principal Japanese spy at Pearl Harbor, important military personnel, Yamamoto's widow, etc.; and on the American side leaders such as Nimitz and John McCoy (Asst. Secretary of War).

    回复:@songbird

    I’ve not read the book, but I’ll put it on my reading list.

  345. @songbird
    @German_reader

    There are two separate issues:

    Political: The US had a strong isolationist streak. Despite the machinations of FDR, real war (total commitment) at that time, IMO, needed real provocation. Something like the Lusitania, to stir up the public. I think the good example would be Germany - Germany was in strategic position to harm the US in much more realistic way than Japan was, being so much closer. But the US did not declare war. The US was pretty resource-independent, at least on the level of the Western hemisphere, and I don't see why they would have declared war on Japan and not Germany.

    FDR was already a three-term president, and there was a lot of dislike and resistance to him, in part because of it. There were people switching parties and even mainstream Hollywood movies that seemed to tacitly show displeasure. I think he understood there were limits to his power. Not to mention, Congress would not have been corralled. WW2 was the last time the US was totally committed to war on an economic level. Vietnam and Korea were only partial affairs, destructive dabblings.

    Then there is the economic side for Japan: Japan didn't really need the resources - unless they were fighting the US. There wasn't any other power that could realistically challenge them at the time. They could have tightened their belts, found alternatives, endured a recession, and shown there was a limit to their territorial ambitions, while making peace overtures, even through a public campaign, which would have made it darn near impossible for war to break out.

    回复:@German_reader

    The US had a strong isolationist streak. Despite the machinations of FDR, real war (total commitment) at that time, IMO, needed real provocation.

    That’s what I was wondering about…if the Japanese hadn’t attacked US forces (and actually on US territory at that, Pearl Harbor was as provocative as one could get), but just invaded British Malaya and the Dutch East Indies, would Roosevelt have managed to bring about a declaration of war in reaction to that? European colonialism wasn’t popular with the US public, so many Americans might not have cared that much about a change of colonial masters in Southeast Asia. I’ve never seen a discussion of such a counter-factual though, so I don’t know if such a scenario was even remotely likely.

    They could have tightened their belts, found alternatives, endured a recession, and shown there was a limit to their territorial ambitions, while making peace overtures, even through a public campaign

    That would certainly have been the most prudent course of action.
    As I understand it, Japanese strategy depended to a large extent on the perception that Germany was winning the war in Europe, which of course turned out to be a serious miscalculation.

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @German_reader

    would Roosevelt have managed to bring about a declaration of war in reaction to that?

    There are reports (originating from the British side) that Roosevelt had promised US intervention in this case (the so-called ADB or ABC conversations). Whether he would have been able to deliver on this via a declaration of war is a very good question, given the anti-war sentiment in the US. Fortunately for him he did not have to face this problem, as the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor (and the Philippines) was literally manna from heaven. Whether or not FDR knew specifically about the planned attack on Pearl Harbor (and many believe he did), an even stronger case can be made that his actions were designed to provoke a Japanese attack on the US (most likely in the Philippines).

  346. @German_reader
    @作为记录


    Almost certainly not, but they could have simply stuck with Manchuria.
     
    Yes, but by 1941 they were bogged down in their war in China, and if I understand correctly the American oil embargo would have severely hindered (crippled?) their war effort, so they felt they had to acquire the oil (and other resources like rubber) of Southeast Asia...otherwise they would have needed to end their imperial project.
    Of course it would have been better if they had never even begun with it.

    回复:@ for-the-record

    The US would in fact have accepted a “withdrawal” to Manchuria. Unfortunately Hull’s “ultimatum” of 26 November was poorly worded: he insisted on a withdrawal from “China”, which for him did not include Manchuria; the Japanese understood it to require withdrawal from Manchuria, which was a total nonstarter for them.

    John Toland (旭日)采访了参与最终战争审议的多位日本高级官员,当他们得知这一误解时,他们的反应虽然并不完全一致,但强烈表明与美国的战争完全可以避免。

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @作为记录

    That's interesting, I didn't know about those discussions.
    I find it surprising that the Japanese considered ending their war in China, since their ambitions there were long-standing (they had already tried to turn China into a quasi-protectorate during WW1 through the 21 demands) and they did control many of the coastal areas. But starting a war with the US (and then in such a provocative manner which was sure to enrage the American public) was pretty insane in any case, given the disparity in industrial power.

    回复:@for-the-record,@Mitleser

  347. @for-the-record
    @German_reader

    The US would in fact have accepted a "withdrawal" to Manchuria. Unfortunately Hull's "ultimatum" of 26 November was poorly worded: he insisted on a withdrawal from "China", which for him did not include Manchuria; the Japanese understood it to require withdrawal from Manchuria, which was a total nonstarter for them.

    John Toland (旭日)采访了参与最终战争审议的多位日本高级官员,当他们得知这一误解时,他们的反应虽然并不完全一致,但强烈表明与美国的战争完全可以避免。

    回复:@German_reader

    That’s interesting, I didn’t know about those discussions.
    I find it surprising that the Japanese considered ending their war in China, since their ambitions there were long-standing (they had already tried to turn China into a quasi-protectorate during WW1 through the 21 demands) and they did control many of the coastal areas. But starting a war with the US (and then in such a provocative manner which was sure to enrage the American public) was pretty insane in any case, given the disparity in industrial power.

    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @German_reader

    I find it surprising that the Japanese considered ending their war in China,

    The problem is that one can't really talk about "the" Japanese -- there was essentially no political control over the military (which literally had a veto power over the government) and even within the military there was only limited control over what officers did in Manchuria and China. But there was a faction within the military that was willing to end the war in China, although for them to act it would have required a firm indication from the US that this would end the embargo.

    , @Mitleser
    @German_reader


    But starting a war with the US (and then in such a provocative manner which was sure to enrage the American public) was pretty insane in any case, given the disparity in industrial power.
     
    You have to remember that Imperial Japan did repeatly challenge and fight greater powers and countries and get away with it.
    If you so often manage to get away with provoking others and keep winning, even something insane seems acceptable.

    回复:@reiner Tor

  348. @German_reader
    @鸣禽


    The US had a strong isolationist streak. Despite the machinations of FDR, real war (total commitment) at that time, IMO, needed real provocation.
     
    That's what I was wondering about...if the Japanese hadn't attacked US forces (and actually on US territory at that, Pearl Harbor was as provocative as one could get), but just invaded British Malaya and the Dutch East Indies, would Roosevelt have managed to bring about a declaration of war in reaction to that? European colonialism wasn't popular with the US public, so many Americans might not have cared that much about a change of colonial masters in Southeast Asia. I've never seen a discussion of such a counter-factual though, so I don't know if such a scenario was even remotely likely.

    They could have tightened their belts, found alternatives, endured a recession, and shown there was a limit to their territorial ambitions, while making peace overtures, even through a public campaign
     
    That would certainly have been the most prudent course of action.
    As I understand it, Japanese strategy depended to a large extent on the perception that Germany was winning the war in Europe, which of course turned out to be a serious miscalculation.

    回复:@ for-the-record

    would Roosevelt have managed to bring about a declaration of war in reaction to that?

    There are reports (originating from the British side) that Roosevelt had promised US intervention in this case (the so-called ADB or ABC conversations). Whether he would have been able to deliver on this via a declaration of war is a very good question, given the anti-war sentiment in the US. Fortunately for him he did not have to face this problem, as the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor (and the Philippines) was literally manna from heaven. Whether or not FDR knew specifically about the planned attack on Pearl Harbor (and many believe he did), an even stronger case can be made that his actions were designed to provoke a Japanese attack on the US (most likely in the Philippines).

  349. @German_reader
    @作为记录

    That's interesting, I didn't know about those discussions.
    I find it surprising that the Japanese considered ending their war in China, since their ambitions there were long-standing (they had already tried to turn China into a quasi-protectorate during WW1 through the 21 demands) and they did control many of the coastal areas. But starting a war with the US (and then in such a provocative manner which was sure to enrage the American public) was pretty insane in any case, given the disparity in industrial power.

    回复:@for-the-record,@Mitleser

    I find it surprising that the Japanese considered ending their war in China,

    The problem is that one can’t really talk about “the” Japanese — there was essentially no political control over the military (which literally had a veto power over the government) and even within the military there was only limited control over what officers did in Manchuria and China. But there was a faction within the military that was willing to end the war in China, although for them to act it would have required a firm indication from the US that this would end the embargo.

  350. @Greasy William
    @乌图


    第一个是你作为一个犹太人(尽管据说是一个摇摇欲坠的犹太人)不关心叙利亚,所以你把它投射到其他人身上
     
    1. 我 do 关心叙利亚。我恨它。
    2. 我不是一个“动摇的”犹太人,我什至不知道这意味着什么。
    3. 你是投射的人。走进现实世界并与一些真实的人交谈。在互联网之外,没有人会浪费时间思考叙利亚、伊朗或巴勒斯坦人。伊斯兰世界以外每一个试图以“拯救巴勒斯坦人/叙利亚人/伊朗人”为纲领的政党都遭遇了灾难性的失败,这表明了这一点。马琳·勒庞甚至不得不将自己的父亲踢出国民阵线,因为巴勒斯坦/伊朗的事情正在杀死他们和法国选民。

    第三种投射更像是一种反投射,因为它源于犹太人无法根据普遍法则进行思考。
     
    犹太教 发明 普遍规律。基督徒和穆斯林从我们那里得到了它,甚至东方的人民也只是从他派到那里的亚伯拉罕的孩子们那里得知了它。

    但假设你是正确的,在目前的力量平衡和意志力下,俄罗斯无论有没有普京都不会从以色列手中拯救叙利亚。有人可能会问,普京为何决定前往叙利亚?
     
    为了拯救阿萨德政权。我并不是说普京无法保护阿萨德免遭推翻,而是说他无法“解放”巴勒斯坦而不付出他和俄罗斯人民都不愿意接受的代价。

    俄罗斯有办法在很短的时间内摧毁以色列或以色列境内的任何东西,并且俄罗斯有能力摧毁以色列90%的报复潜力,因此俄罗斯需要做的就是向以色列传达这样的信息:俄罗斯不会犹豫,俄罗斯是认真的。这样,球就落在了美国的手里。然后是美国人需要决定她是否愿意冒纽约的风险去迪莫纳或特拉维夫。
     
    1. 迪莫纳到底和什么有关系?
    2、俄罗斯用常规武器摧毁以色列的能力为0。没有任何。自 1970 世纪 XNUMX 年代以来,他们就没有这样的能力。俄罗斯摧毁以色列的唯一方法是发动核攻击。
    3. 这就引出了以色列的核理论,即“一经警告就发射核”。这意味着俄罗斯向以色列发射洲际弹道导弹的那一刻,杰里科就向乌拉尔以西的每个主要俄罗斯人口中心发射。俄罗斯最终将被其邻国瓜分,并不再作为一个国家存在。
    4. 俄罗斯对以色列的核攻击将辐射整个邻近地区,包括叙利亚和黎巴嫩的大部分地区。
    5.俄罗斯不是流氓国家。即使俄罗斯真的关心以色列,他们也不会先对以色列发动核打击,除非以色列攻击他们,而以色列当然不会这样做。
    6.普京并不是一个混蛋,因为他不同意你摧毁以色列的目标。普京的责任是俄罗斯的福祉,而不是满足西方亲俄派的幻想。

    普京和俄罗斯在叙利亚取得了巨大胜利。 20年后,美国将消失,俄罗斯将成为活跃在中东的唯一超级大国。他正在打一场持久战。碰巧他的议程不是你的议程。

    回复:@ Jon0815

    3. 这就引出了以色列的核理论,即“一经警告就发射核”。这意味着俄罗斯向以色列发射洲际弹道导弹的那一刻,杰里科就向乌拉尔以西的每个主要俄罗斯人口中心发射。俄罗斯最终将被其邻国瓜分,并不再作为一个国家存在。

    Israel’s Jericho ICBMs are presumably targeted at Iran, or at the ocean (like the US and Russian arsenals), not at Russia. The few minutes warning Israel would have before the Russian missiles hit, would not be sufficient time to retarget its Jerichos at Russia.

    即使以色列在俄罗斯发动攻击之前确实将杰里科导弹瞄准了俄罗斯,俄罗斯也可以从黑海或地中海发射潜射弹道导弹,其飞行时间只有几分钟。即使以色列有可能在如此狭窄的时间内对俄罗斯城市发动反价值打击,但这样做也是疯狂的,并保证在不知道来袭的洲际弹道导弹是否是以色列人的情况下消灭以色列人民作为回应。反力或反价值罢工。

    But suppose that somehow Israel does manage to launch every one of its ICBMs, targeted to kill as many Russians as possible. And further suppose that they manage to penetrate Moscow’s ABM defenses (unlikely). This probably impossible-to-execute scenario results in a maximum of around 15% of Russia’s population killed, similar to what Russia lost in WWII. And obviously, that did not destroy Russia.

    我从未说过俄罗斯不会回应以色列,只是说他们不会发动一场种族灭绝性核战争,最终摧毁俄罗斯和以色列。

    No, Israel does not have MAD capability vs. Russia, not even close. After a Russian first strike, it would be difficult for Israel to kill even 1% of Russia’s population in a retaliatory strike, while of course Russia could still completely destroy Israel after an Israeli first strike.

  351. @Daniel Chieh
    @鸣禽

    他们甚至不需要攻击中国:



    关东军大佐板垣征四郎和石原宽二中校认为,满洲发生冲突最符合日本的利益,并本着日本“极国城”理念的精神,独立制定了一项计划,通过挑起日本的侵略行为,促使日本入侵满洲。事件源于驻扎在附近的中国军队。
     
    实际上,一些低级军官引发了一场大规模的战争,而他们对此从未有过明确的计划。当时中国人相当亲日,周恩来曾在日本接受教育,普遍认为日本是中国的榜样。

    被拖入中国这场漫长而昂贵的战争将消耗他们的资源,并开始攻击美国的长征。这些都没有任何意义。日本内部文件显示,他们非常清楚,他们的人民不具备任何地方或条件来试图占领中国这片广阔的地区,所以他们所能指望的就是……奇迹,真的。

    回复:@random rand

    更搞笑的是,显然石原宽二在占领满洲后甚至不想扩大与中国的战争。这家伙似乎是东亚合作的真正信徒。从地缘政治的角度来看,日本想要满洲是可以理解的,因为如果他们想被认真对待为世界强国,就必须大幅扩大其工业基础。将他们的入侵扩大到中国其他地区是很奇怪的。国民党IIRC愿意放弃满洲,甚至愿意在上海之后与日本达成和解,但在南京之后任何和解基本上都变得不可能了。

  352. @Greasy William
    @Anatoly卡琳

    I'm reading Zhirinovsky's wiki for the first time now. Are we sure he isn't some type of long running controlled opposition? He reads like a western liberal's caricature of a Russian nationalist.

    This guy actually has support?

    Replies: @DFH, @Anatoly Karlin, @yevardian

    He may have been somewhat serious back in ’93 where he managed to gain a plurality of the vote, mainly due to Yeltin and that Zyuganov, despite having good points, is one of the most boring men alive.
    Zhirik, despite his clowning, is actually very intelligent, after resigning any serious attempt to win, he’s played his role of court-jester with gusto ever since, occasionally mixing in serious proposals between OTT trolling in a Shakespearean manner. He certainly has a better grasp of high culture than most Russian politicans, I was looking for his ‘Gogol’ speech but couldn’t find it with subtitles.

  353. @German_reader
    @作为记录

    That's interesting, I didn't know about those discussions.
    I find it surprising that the Japanese considered ending their war in China, since their ambitions there were long-standing (they had already tried to turn China into a quasi-protectorate during WW1 through the 21 demands) and they did control many of the coastal areas. But starting a war with the US (and then in such a provocative manner which was sure to enrage the American public) was pretty insane in any case, given the disparity in industrial power.

    回复:@for-the-record,@Mitleser

    But starting a war with the US (and then in such a provocative manner which was sure to enrage the American public) was pretty insane in any case, given the disparity in industrial power.

    You have to remember that Imperial Japan did repeatly challenge and fight greater powers and countries and get away with it.
    If you so often manage to get away with provoking others and keep winning, even something insane seems acceptable.

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @米特勒

    I think they did it twice.

    The first one was the Sino-Japanese War of 1894-95, where Japan was smaller and at least nominally weaker. It's usually forgotten in retrospect, because in hindsight after the 1930s Sino-Japanese War and the Japanese victories against Russia and in the early period of the Pacific War we consider Japan to be a highly capable and strong military power, while in light of the poor Chinese performance in all their wars against Western or Japanese forces until 1945 we consider China to be a total basket case. (Which was largely true.) But in the early 1890s Japan just barely started to industrialize, so the difference between the Chinese and Japanese economies wasn't huge qualitatively, while quantitatively China was still vastly bigger than Japan. It must be noted that most of their weapons were imported anyway, so I think both Chinese and Japanese vessels were mostly built in British (or other European) shipyards (the Japanese had a few Japanese built warships), and the Chinese had some battleships which were bigger than anything the Japanese had at the time. Of course it turned out during the war that the Chinese vessels were obsolescent and not well maintained, and especially their guns were inferior. The Chinese navy also didn't have good training or tactics. But these things weren't well known in advance, the Japanese navy commanders were apprehensive of the situation.

    Then they attacked Russia. This time they were more confident, especially because the attack on Port Arthur was very similar to the attack on Pearl Harbor - a surprise attack without a formal declaration of war. Although it's well known that the Russian Empire was unstable and the revolution did them in, but were it not for the revolution, Japan would surely have lost eventually in a sustained conflict, as they did in 1941-45, because Russia had a vastly bigger economy.

    Basically in 1941 they were hoping for a similar outcome as in 1904-5, so the stronger party unwilling to fight on and granting them a favorable peace. They also thought that the direct American losses would be relatively small (other than the Philippines, which was already promised independence, just a few small islands), the Americans were not a martial race anyway, so, whatever.

    回复:@German_reader

  354. Taiwanese separatists and their foolish cat lady got cucked again.

    The Dominican Republic’s government has announced it is establishing diplomatic relations with Beijing and breaking ties with Taipei.

    The decision is the latest setback for Taiwan in the Caribbean and Latin America. Panama dropped its long-time ties with Taipei last year and established relations with mainland China, which considers Taiwan to be Chinese territory.

    The number of countries that maintain full diplomatic ties with Taiwan has now been reduced to 19, mainly small, developing countries, 10 of them in Latin America.

    After Panama cut relations with Taiwan, the former Taiwanese foreign minister David Lee visited the Dominican Republic last July as part of a campaign to shore up its relations and propose new cooperation projects.

    During his stay, Lee also met with Taiwan’s ambassadors in Latin America to discuss strategies to avoid losing more allies.

    The Dominican Republic has received millions of dollars in donations for development programmes from Taiwan, but the government also started commercial and political contacts with mainland China in the middle of the last decade.

    http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2144115/dominican-republic-breaks-taipei-forges-ties-beijing

    Well, I thought Vatican would be first, but can’t say I’m surprised at all with Dominican Republic. The worst part was that the ROC had recently gave an aid package worth $35MM USD, consisting of two UH-1H helicopter, 90 hummer, 100 motorcycle and various parts.

    • 回复: @songbird
    @米特勒

    Well, now, they still have Haiti don't they? LMAO

    But seriously, though I can appreciate a certain formalism when it comes to diplomacy, I think it serves as a good demonstration that foreign aid is nearly utterly worthless to the donor.

  355. @Mitleser
    @German_reader


    But starting a war with the US (and then in such a provocative manner which was sure to enrage the American public) was pretty insane in any case, given the disparity in industrial power.
     
    You have to remember that Imperial Japan did repeatly challenge and fight greater powers and countries and get away with it.
    If you so often manage to get away with provoking others and keep winning, even something insane seems acceptable.

    回复:@reiner Tor

    I think they did it twice.

    The first one was the Sino-Japanese War of 1894-95, where Japan was smaller and at least nominally weaker. It’s usually forgotten in retrospect, because in hindsight after the 1930s Sino-Japanese War and the Japanese victories against Russia and in the early period of the Pacific War we consider Japan to be a highly capable and strong military power, while in light of the poor Chinese performance in all their wars against Western or Japanese forces until 1945 we consider China to be a total basket case. (Which was largely true.) But in the early 1890s Japan just barely started to industrialize, so the difference between the Chinese and Japanese economies wasn’t huge qualitatively, while quantitatively China was still vastly bigger than Japan. It must be noted that most of their weapons were imported anyway, so I think both Chinese and Japanese vessels were mostly built in British (or other European) shipyards (the Japanese had a few Japanese built warships), and the Chinese had some battleships which were bigger than anything the Japanese had at the time. Of course it turned out during the war that the Chinese vessels were obsolescent and not well maintained, and especially their guns were inferior. The Chinese navy also didn’t have good training or tactics. But these things weren’t well known in advance, the Japanese navy commanders were apprehensive of the situation.

    Then they attacked Russia. This time they were more confident, especially because the attack on Port Arthur was very similar to the attack on Pearl Harbor – a surprise attack without a formal declaration of war. Although it’s well known that the Russian Empire was unstable and the revolution did them in, but were it not for the revolution, Japan would surely have lost eventually in a sustained conflict, as they did in 1941-45, because Russia had a vastly bigger economy.

    Basically in 1941 they were hoping for a similar outcome as in 1904-5, so the stronger party unwilling to fight on and granting them a favorable peace. They also thought that the direct American losses would be relatively small (other than the Philippines, which was already promised independence, just a few small islands), the Americans were not a martial race anyway, so, whatever.

    • 回复: @German_reader
    @reiner托尔


    Basically in 1941 they were hoping for a similar outcome as in 1904-5, so the stronger party unwilling to fight on
     
    If I understand correctly, their idea was to establish a defensive perimeter in the Pacific and make reconquest so costly for the Americans that the American public, being casualty-averse and supposedly non-martial, would lose interest and force a negotiated end to the war, leaving Japan in control of its conquests.
    It was a pretty stupid plan imo.

    回复:@songbird

  356. Meanwhile, regarding Netanyahu and Iran, I read somewhere that a possible course of action would be to bomb Iran out of Syria in a coordinated US-Israeli-French (?) action.

    Will Putin fold, if it happens? I don’t know, but by folding last time, he surely created the expectation that he would do so again.

    His foreign minister also foolishly said that he thinks it’s absolutely impossible that Putin and Trump would “allow” a nuclear war to happen. This will mean that nuclear blackmail will be less effective (the bluff will be more likely to be called), because it won’t be nearly as credible as before Lavrov opened his foolish mouth. (I really wonder why otherwise brilliant diplomats have to say such stupid things.)

    Now I guess the Russian leadership is still “studying” the possibility of sending the S-300 to Syria. I also guess they are really thorough in those studies, as they shouldn’t jump to quick conclusions. Hopefully they will reach a conclusion after thorough studies sometime during the next decade, and they will release the results of those studies sometime before I die, so that I could at last learn what they came to. Obviously, the Russian contingent will be forced to leave Syria by that time.

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @reiner托尔


    美国官员:以色列准备与伊朗开战,寻求美国支持
     
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-01/us-officials-israel-preparing-war-iran-seeking-us-support

    Bibi should be let known that in the unfortunate event of a US-Russian nuclear conflagration, top US allies would also be targeted, and that his country is on the list. Not a threat or even something likely to happen, just letting him know.

    回复:@utu

  357. German_reader 说:
    @reiner Tor
    @米特勒

    I think they did it twice.

    The first one was the Sino-Japanese War of 1894-95, where Japan was smaller and at least nominally weaker. It's usually forgotten in retrospect, because in hindsight after the 1930s Sino-Japanese War and the Japanese victories against Russia and in the early period of the Pacific War we consider Japan to be a highly capable and strong military power, while in light of the poor Chinese performance in all their wars against Western or Japanese forces until 1945 we consider China to be a total basket case. (Which was largely true.) But in the early 1890s Japan just barely started to industrialize, so the difference between the Chinese and Japanese economies wasn't huge qualitatively, while quantitatively China was still vastly bigger than Japan. It must be noted that most of their weapons were imported anyway, so I think both Chinese and Japanese vessels were mostly built in British (or other European) shipyards (the Japanese had a few Japanese built warships), and the Chinese had some battleships which were bigger than anything the Japanese had at the time. Of course it turned out during the war that the Chinese vessels were obsolescent and not well maintained, and especially their guns were inferior. The Chinese navy also didn't have good training or tactics. But these things weren't well known in advance, the Japanese navy commanders were apprehensive of the situation.

    Then they attacked Russia. This time they were more confident, especially because the attack on Port Arthur was very similar to the attack on Pearl Harbor - a surprise attack without a formal declaration of war. Although it's well known that the Russian Empire was unstable and the revolution did them in, but were it not for the revolution, Japan would surely have lost eventually in a sustained conflict, as they did in 1941-45, because Russia had a vastly bigger economy.

    Basically in 1941 they were hoping for a similar outcome as in 1904-5, so the stronger party unwilling to fight on and granting them a favorable peace. They also thought that the direct American losses would be relatively small (other than the Philippines, which was already promised independence, just a few small islands), the Americans were not a martial race anyway, so, whatever.

    回复:@German_reader

    Basically in 1941 they were hoping for a similar outcome as in 1904-5, so the stronger party unwilling to fight on

    If I understand correctly, their idea was to establish a defensive perimeter in the Pacific and make reconquest so costly for the Americans that the American public, being casualty-averse and supposedly non-martial, would lose interest and force a negotiated end to the war, leaving Japan in control of its conquests.
    It was a pretty stupid plan imo.

    • 回复: @songbird
    @German_reader


    the American public, being casualty-averse and supposedly non-martial, would lose interest and force a negotiated end to the war, leaving Japan in control of its conquests
     
    IMO, a very poor reading of American history (or just history in general) up until 1941, and very wishful, delusional thinking on the part of the regime. Perhaps, Teddy Roosevelt secretly helped draw America into WW2 by helping to negotiate a peaceful settlement between Japan and Russia in 1905.

    If Ho Chi Minh had led a surprise attack on America without a declaration of war, he'd have been dead as a doornail. And not only would there not be a city bearing his name, the communist party would be banned in Vietnam and there would be American bases there today.

    回复:@ for-the-record

  358. @Mitleser
    Taiwanese separatists and their foolish cat lady got cucked again.

    The Dominican Republic’s government has announced it is establishing diplomatic relations with Beijing and breaking ties with Taipei.

    The decision is the latest setback for Taiwan in the Caribbean and Latin America. Panama dropped its long-time ties with Taipei last year and established relations with mainland China, which considers Taiwan to be Chinese territory.

    The number of countries that maintain full diplomatic ties with Taiwan has now been reduced to 19, mainly small, developing countries, 10 of them in Latin America.
     

    After Panama cut relations with Taiwan, the former Taiwanese foreign minister David Lee visited the Dominican Republic last July as part of a campaign to shore up its relations and propose new cooperation projects.

    During his stay, Lee also met with Taiwan’s ambassadors in Latin America to discuss strategies to avoid losing more allies.

    The Dominican Republic has received millions of dollars in donations for development programmes from Taiwan, but the government also started commercial and political contacts with mainland China in the middle of the last decade.

     

    http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2144115/dominican-republic-breaks-taipei-forges-ties-beijing

    Well, I thought Vatican would be first, but can't say I'm surprised at all with Dominican Republic. The worst part was that the ROC had recently gave an aid package worth $35MM USD, consisting of two UH-1H helicopter, 90 hummer, 100 motorcycle and various parts.
     
    https://www.reddit.com/r/taiwan/comments/8g4hx8/dominican_republic_forges_tie_with_china_breaks/dy8xbe3/

    回复:@songbird

    Well, now, they still have Haiti don’t they? LMAO

    But seriously, though I can appreciate a certain formalism when it comes to diplomacy, I think it serves as a good demonstration that foreign aid is nearly utterly worthless to the donor.

  359. @German_reader
    @reiner托尔


    Basically in 1941 they were hoping for a similar outcome as in 1904-5, so the stronger party unwilling to fight on
     
    If I understand correctly, their idea was to establish a defensive perimeter in the Pacific and make reconquest so costly for the Americans that the American public, being casualty-averse and supposedly non-martial, would lose interest and force a negotiated end to the war, leaving Japan in control of its conquests.
    It was a pretty stupid plan imo.

    回复:@songbird

    the American public, being casualty-averse and supposedly non-martial, would lose interest and force a negotiated end to the war, leaving Japan in control of its conquests

    IMO, a very poor reading of American history (or just history in general) up until 1941, and very wishful, delusional thinking on the part of the regime. Perhaps, Teddy Roosevelt secretly helped draw America into WW2 by helping to negotiate a peaceful settlement between Japan and Russia in 1905.

    If Ho Chi Minh had led a surprise attack on America without a declaration of war, he’d have been dead as a doornail. And not only would there not be a city bearing his name, the communist party would be banned in Vietnam and there would be American bases there today.

    • 同意: German_reader
    • 回复: @for-the-record
    @鸣禽

    Perhaps, Teddy Roosevelt secretly helped draw America into WW2 by helping to negotiate a peaceful settlement between Japan and Russia in 1905.

    And one that favoured Japan, whose personal envoy (Baron Kaneko) was Teddy Roosevelt's personal guest throughout most of 1904-5. According to Kaneko, this was the message given to him on parting, to be conveyed to Emperor Meiji:


    Japan is the only nation in Asia that understands the principles and methods of Western civilization . . . All the Asiatic nations are now faced with the urgent necessity of adjusting themselves to the present age. Japan should be their natural leader in that process, and their protector during the transition stage, much as the United States assumed the leadership of the American continent many years ago, and by means of the Monroe Doctrine, preserved the Latin American nations from European interference, while they were maturing their independence . . .The future policy of Japan towards Asiatic countries should be similar to that of the United States toward their neighbors on the American continent. A 'Japanese Monroe Doctrine' in Asia will remove the temptation to European encroachment, and Japan will be recognized as the leader of the Asiatic nations, and her power will form the shield behind which they can reorganize their national systems.
     

    回复:@songbird

  360. @songbird
    @German_reader


    the American public, being casualty-averse and supposedly non-martial, would lose interest and force a negotiated end to the war, leaving Japan in control of its conquests
     
    IMO, a very poor reading of American history (or just history in general) up until 1941, and very wishful, delusional thinking on the part of the regime. Perhaps, Teddy Roosevelt secretly helped draw America into WW2 by helping to negotiate a peaceful settlement between Japan and Russia in 1905.

    If Ho Chi Minh had led a surprise attack on America without a declaration of war, he'd have been dead as a doornail. And not only would there not be a city bearing his name, the communist party would be banned in Vietnam and there would be American bases there today.

    回复:@ for-the-record

    Perhaps, Teddy Roosevelt secretly helped draw America into WW2 by helping to negotiate a peaceful settlement between Japan and Russia in 1905.

    And one that favoured Japan, whose personal envoy (Baron Kaneko) was Teddy Roosevelt’s personal guest throughout most of 1904-5. According to Kaneko, this was the message given to him on parting, to be conveyed to Emperor Meiji:

    Japan is the only nation in Asia that understands the principles and methods of Western civilization . . . All the Asiatic nations are now faced with the urgent necessity of adjusting themselves to the present age. Japan should be their natural leader in that process, and their protector during the transition stage, much as the United States assumed the leadership of the American continent many years ago, and by means of the Monroe Doctrine, preserved the Latin American nations from European interference, while they were maturing their independence . . .The future policy of Japan towards Asiatic countries should be similar to that of the United States toward their neighbors on the American continent. A ‘Japanese Monroe Doctrine’ in Asia will remove the temptation to European encroachment, and Japan will be recognized as the leader of the Asiatic nations, and her power will form the shield behind which they can reorganize their national systems.

    • 回复: @songbird
    @作为记录

    And he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for it, but I suppose it is not as crazy as some of the later ones.

  361. @for-the-record
    @鸣禽

    Perhaps, Teddy Roosevelt secretly helped draw America into WW2 by helping to negotiate a peaceful settlement between Japan and Russia in 1905.

    And one that favoured Japan, whose personal envoy (Baron Kaneko) was Teddy Roosevelt's personal guest throughout most of 1904-5. According to Kaneko, this was the message given to him on parting, to be conveyed to Emperor Meiji:


    Japan is the only nation in Asia that understands the principles and methods of Western civilization . . . All the Asiatic nations are now faced with the urgent necessity of adjusting themselves to the present age. Japan should be their natural leader in that process, and their protector during the transition stage, much as the United States assumed the leadership of the American continent many years ago, and by means of the Monroe Doctrine, preserved the Latin American nations from European interference, while they were maturing their independence . . .The future policy of Japan towards Asiatic countries should be similar to that of the United States toward their neighbors on the American continent. A 'Japanese Monroe Doctrine' in Asia will remove the temptation to European encroachment, and Japan will be recognized as the leader of the Asiatic nations, and her power will form the shield behind which they can reorganize their national systems.
     

    回复:@songbird

    And he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for it, but I suppose it is not as crazy as some of the later ones.

  362. @reiner Tor
    Meanwhile, regarding Netanyahu and Iran, I read somewhere that a possible course of action would be to bomb Iran out of Syria in a coordinated US-Israeli-French (?) action.

    Will Putin fold, if it happens? I don't know, but by folding last time, he surely created the expectation that he would do so again.

    His foreign minister also foolishly said that he thinks it's absolutely impossible that Putin and Trump would "allow" a nuclear war to happen. This will mean that nuclear blackmail will be less effective (the bluff will be more likely to be called), because it won't be nearly as credible as before Lavrov opened his foolish mouth. (I really wonder why otherwise brilliant diplomats have to say such stupid things.)

    Now I guess the Russian leadership is still "studying" the possibility of sending the S-300 to Syria. I also guess they are really thorough in those studies, as they shouldn't jump to quick conclusions. Hopefully they will reach a conclusion after thorough studies sometime during the next decade, and they will release the results of those studies sometime before I die, so that I could at last learn what they came to. Obviously, the Russian contingent will be forced to leave Syria by that time.

    回复:@reiner Tor

    美国官员:以色列准备与伊朗开战,寻求美国支持

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-01/us-officials-israel-preparing-war-iran-seeking-us-support

    Bibi should be let known that in the unfortunate event of a US-Russian nuclear conflagration, top US allies would also be targeted, and that his country is on the list. Not a threat or even something likely to happen, just letting him know.

    • 回复: @utu
    @reiner托尔


    US-Russian nuclear conflagration
     
    Russia will do nothing, so do not worry too much. Russia does not have what it takes. Russia after all follows your brilliant and daring strategic plan: "Let Israel bomb Syria." So why not let Israel and US bomb Iran, right?

    回复:@reiner Tor

  363. @reiner Tor
    @reiner托尔


    美国官员:以色列准备与伊朗开战,寻求美国支持
     
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-01/us-officials-israel-preparing-war-iran-seeking-us-support

    Bibi should be let known that in the unfortunate event of a US-Russian nuclear conflagration, top US allies would also be targeted, and that his country is on the list. Not a threat or even something likely to happen, just letting him know.

    回复:@utu

    US-Russian nuclear conflagration

    Russia will do nothing, so do not worry too much. Russia does not have what it takes. Russia after all follows your brilliant and daring strategic plan: “Let Israel bomb Syria.” So why not let Israel and US bomb Iran, right?

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @乌图

    It's either dishonest or stupid not to understand my arguments why letting Israel bomb Syria is different from letting the US bomb Syria or letting Israel bomb Iran. You are in bad faith here, which is not conducive to discussing the topic at hand - which would be the purpose of an online forum like this one.

    Nevertheless, good to see you here, utu. Now you might answer the question I asked in #317, which you must have overlooked back then.

    回复:@utu

  364. Sinotriumphalism – lithium battery edition

  365. @utu
    @reiner托尔


    US-Russian nuclear conflagration
     
    Russia will do nothing, so do not worry too much. Russia does not have what it takes. Russia after all follows your brilliant and daring strategic plan: "Let Israel bomb Syria." So why not let Israel and US bomb Iran, right?

    回复:@reiner Tor

    It’s either dishonest or stupid not to understand my arguments why letting Israel bomb Syria is different from letting the US bomb Syria or letting Israel bomb Iran. You are in bad faith here, which is not conducive to discussing the topic at hand – which would be the purpose of an online forum like this one.

    Nevertheless, good to see you here, utu. Now you might answer the question I asked in #317, which you must have overlooked back then.

    • 回复: @utu
    @reiner托尔

    (A) Suppose you come back after long absence like from being separated from your wife and family because you wanted to be back together and provide support to your family. You discover that your son has been bullied by my son for a long time during your absence. You decide to do nothing because there is no symmetry (you used this term in your argument) and your son kind of got used to be bullied by my son but all what you do is to sternly wag your finger and draw the line that you will step in if I try to bully your son as well. I may consider you a wimp and go and beat up your son and then you retaliate. And we all die.

    (B) Now a reverse the situation. It is me who is coming back to discover that your son is bullying my son. I go to your son and tell him that I will kill him if he does it ever again. If he stops, nothing happens but if he continues I indeed kill him. Then it is up to you whether you retaliate and face mutual annihilation or not. So you may think twice and rather find consolation in the fact that you also have a daughter and want to live and perhaps plot revenge for later.

    Chances of mutual annihilation in (B) and (A) might be similar though probably lower in (B) and (B) guarantees that the bullying stops. In (A) your survival depends on continuation of bullying.

    As far as your #317 comment I do not see what point you are trying to make. Perhaps that's why I have ignored it. It must have been it because I usually try to respond to sensible comments directed to me. And in cases when my comments are ignored I do not sweat it.

    回复:@reiner Tor

  366. @reiner Tor
    @乌图

    It's either dishonest or stupid not to understand my arguments why letting Israel bomb Syria is different from letting the US bomb Syria or letting Israel bomb Iran. You are in bad faith here, which is not conducive to discussing the topic at hand - which would be the purpose of an online forum like this one.

    Nevertheless, good to see you here, utu. Now you might answer the question I asked in #317, which you must have overlooked back then.

    回复:@utu

    (A) Suppose you come back after long absence like from being separated from your wife and family because you wanted to be back together and provide support to your family. You discover that your son has been bullied by my son for a long time during your absence. You decide to do nothing because there is no symmetry (you used this term in your argument) and your son kind of got used to be bullied by my son but all what you do is to sternly wag your finger and draw the line that you will step in if I try to bully your son as well. I may consider you a wimp and go and beat up your son and then you retaliate. And we all die.

    (B) Now a reverse the situation. It is me who is coming back to discover that your son is bullying my son. I go to your son and tell him that I will kill him if he does it ever again. If he stops, nothing happens but if he continues I indeed kill him. Then it is up to you whether you retaliate and face mutual annihilation or not. So you may think twice and rather find consolation in the fact that you also have a daughter and want to live and perhaps plot revenge for later.

    Chances of mutual annihilation in (B) and (A) might be similar though probably lower in (B) and (B) guarantees that the bullying stops. In (A) your survival depends on continuation of bullying.

    As far as your #317 comment I do not see what point you are trying to make. Perhaps that’s why I have ignored it. It must have been it because I usually try to respond to sensible comments directed to me. And in cases when my comments are ignored I do not sweat it.

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @乌图

    It was obvious what my point was - that it does matter how frivolous or how unreasonable the demand is. The less reasonable the demand, the more insane you look like (with whom it's impossible to talk to, and so with whom a nuclear war is inevitable anyway), and so the less likely they are to budge. So your statement about "it doesn't matter how frivolous or unreasonable the demand" needs to be qualified. That was the point I was making.

    As to your analogies. They are bad analogies. Bashar is not Putin's son, obviously. Putin didn't much care for Bashar's wellbeing, his reasons were to

    - stop the American encroachment into Russia's sphere of influence (in this case, make it impossible for the Americans to kick the Russians out of their Mediterranean military base in Syria)
    - get live combat experience for trying out Russian weapons systems to help design better doctrines for existing systems and to help design better systems in the future
    - get live combat experience for Russian pilots
    - advertise Russian weapons abroad by showing off their capabilities and their effectiveness

    Bashar was already being bombed by Israel. It was a fight Bashar has had with Israel since time immemorial, basically they've been in a state of war since Israel (or Syria, for that matter) became internationally recognized independent states.

    Putin came there to help, but obviously qualified his help - he helped Bashar against the American/Qatari/Saudi/etc. supported rebels (who were easy to fight), and also provided a shield against the Americans (who had not yet gotten directly involved in the fight), but not in the ongoing fight against Israel (which would've required either a huge number of military assets or a dangerous nuclear blackmail), because it would've been costly. I agree with Putin's assessment, and it looks like you also agree.

    Another problem with your analogy is that the harm caused by Israel bombing Syria is relatively minor: Israel is too small in itself to make Bashar lose the civil war. The same is untrue of America. So it's not simply someone "bullying" a boy, it's someone occasionally humiliating him, but not causing him physical harm, and another guy potentially killing him. Is it important to stand up to the first? Maybe, but it's definitely more important to stand up to the second.

    If you've ever tried to help someone in a fight, you know that by simply showing up you can make the opponent of your friend calm down, that is, before a fight started. But I got kicks and punches when I tried to help a friend already engaged in a fight. (His opponents friends were also there...) So it's inherently much more dangerous to help your friend already engaged in a fight, than helping him before the fight started just by showing up and signaling your willingness to trade punches if it comes to that. (I'm a relatively small and thin guy, and was very thin at the time I visited bars where my friends got into altercations and occasionally fights, but I think my relatively limited experience in bar fights can be generalized: it's easier to prevent a fight than stopping one. The fact that even a harmless looking guy like I am will be taken seriously as an extra danger before a fight starts shows how easy it is to prevent a fight - but when it's already started, you really will be required to join in and kick and punch and take kicks and punches.)

    To sum it up, Bashar is only important to Russia to the extent that he can provide some trial ground for Russian weapons and the Russian military base, Israel is already in the habit of bombing Bashar (unlike the US, at least before April 2017), and so would be more difficult to stop, and Israel is not doing much harm to Russian objectives, while the US is much more dangerous to those objectives. This is why Putin was willing to let Israel bomb Assad, but was less willing to let the US bomb Assad. (He was stupid enough to let it happen a couple of times nevertheless, and as I wrote, that was a mistake.)

  367. @utu
    @reiner托尔

    (A) Suppose you come back after long absence like from being separated from your wife and family because you wanted to be back together and provide support to your family. You discover that your son has been bullied by my son for a long time during your absence. You decide to do nothing because there is no symmetry (you used this term in your argument) and your son kind of got used to be bullied by my son but all what you do is to sternly wag your finger and draw the line that you will step in if I try to bully your son as well. I may consider you a wimp and go and beat up your son and then you retaliate. And we all die.

    (B) Now a reverse the situation. It is me who is coming back to discover that your son is bullying my son. I go to your son and tell him that I will kill him if he does it ever again. If he stops, nothing happens but if he continues I indeed kill him. Then it is up to you whether you retaliate and face mutual annihilation or not. So you may think twice and rather find consolation in the fact that you also have a daughter and want to live and perhaps plot revenge for later.

    Chances of mutual annihilation in (B) and (A) might be similar though probably lower in (B) and (B) guarantees that the bullying stops. In (A) your survival depends on continuation of bullying.

    As far as your #317 comment I do not see what point you are trying to make. Perhaps that's why I have ignored it. It must have been it because I usually try to respond to sensible comments directed to me. And in cases when my comments are ignored I do not sweat it.

    回复:@reiner Tor

    It was obvious what my point was – that it does matter how frivolous or how unreasonable the demand is. The less reasonable the demand, the more insane you look like (with whom it’s impossible to talk to, and so with whom a nuclear war is inevitable anyway), and so the less likely they are to budge. So your statement about “it doesn’t matter how frivolous or unreasonable the demand” needs to be qualified. That was the point I was making.

    As to your analogies. They are bad analogies. Bashar is not Putin’s son, obviously. Putin didn’t much care for Bashar’s wellbeing, his reasons were to

    – stop the American encroachment into Russia’s sphere of influence (in this case, make it impossible for the Americans to kick the Russians out of their Mediterranean military base in Syria)
    – get live combat experience for trying out Russian weapons systems to help design better doctrines for existing systems and to help design better systems in the future
    – get live combat experience for Russian pilots
    – advertise Russian weapons abroad by showing off their capabilities and their effectiveness

    Bashar was already being bombed by Israel. It was a fight Bashar has had with Israel since time immemorial, basically they’ve been in a state of war since Israel (or Syria, for that matter) became internationally recognized independent states.

    Putin came there to help, but obviously qualified his help – he helped Bashar against the American/Qatari/Saudi/etc. supported rebels (who were easy to fight), and also provided a shield against the Americans (who had not yet gotten directly involved in the fight), but not in the ongoing fight against Israel (which would’ve required either a huge number of military assets or a dangerous nuclear blackmail), because it would’ve been costly. I agree with Putin’s assessment, and it looks like you also agree.

    Another problem with your analogy is that the harm caused by Israel bombing Syria is relatively minor: Israel is too small in itself to make Bashar lose the civil war. The same is untrue of America. So it’s not simply someone “bullying” a boy, it’s someone occasionally humiliating him, but not causing him physical harm, and another guy potentially killing him. Is it important to stand up to the first? Maybe, but it’s definitely more important to stand up to the second.

    If you’ve ever tried to help someone in a fight, you know that by simply showing up you can make the opponent of your friend calm down, that is, before a fight started. But I got kicks and punches when I tried to help a friend already engaged in a fight. (His opponents friends were also there…) So it’s inherently much more dangerous to help your friend already engaged in a fight, than helping him before the fight started just by showing up and signaling your willingness to trade punches if it comes to that. (I’m a relatively small and thin guy, and was very thin at the time I visited bars where my friends got into altercations and occasionally fights, but I think my relatively limited experience in bar fights can be generalized: it’s easier to prevent a fight than stopping one. The fact that even a harmless looking guy like I am will be taken seriously as an extra danger before a fight starts shows how easy it is to prevent a fight – but when it’s already started, you really will be required to join in and kick and punch and take kicks and punches.)

    To sum it up, Bashar is only important to Russia to the extent that he can provide some trial ground for Russian weapons and the Russian military base, Israel is already in the habit of bombing Bashar (unlike the US, at least before April 2017), and so would be more difficult to stop, and Israel is not doing much harm to Russian objectives, while the US is much more dangerous to those objectives. This is why Putin was willing to let Israel bomb Assad, but was less willing to let the US bomb Assad. (He was stupid enough to let it happen a couple of times nevertheless, and as I wrote, that was a mistake.)

  368. @reiner Tor
    @米特勒

    普京的实力显然很弱。

    我认为他在叙利亚危机中很弱,尽管我也认为美国人在那里也很弱,所以这并不重要。

    但他很可能无法胜任与一个日益疯狂的对手处理不断升级的冲突的任务,这个对手没有理性的目标,也不受任何习俗、法律或协议的约束。例如,他们闯入外交大楼。

    目前还不清楚普京如何投降。它会是什么样子?美国人会接受什么?他们愿意承诺接受俄罗斯在任何地方的合法利益吗?至少在俄罗斯境内是这样吗?或者他们会因为车臣的同性婚姻或人权而继续向他们施加压力,甚至在其境内?我猜是后者。

    回复:@German_reader、@Anatoly Karlin、@Mitleser

    目前还不清楚普京如何投降。

    Accept Kudrin’s proposal.

    俄罗斯总统弗拉基米尔·普京正在考虑是否任命一名副总统,负责与美国和欧盟谈判结束制裁以及俄罗斯外交和国防政策的转变。

    在前财政部长阿列克谢·库德林(主图,中)提出的计划中,该职位将拥有比总理更多的权力,允许德米特里·梅德韦杰夫继续留任,但让他服从新任总理。库德林的想法是他将成为事实上的副总统。继普京之后政府的主要决策者;以及他可能的继任者。

    副总统是克里姆林宫官员和顾问中使用的术语。自1993年宪法危机以来,副总统鲁茨科伊领导俄罗斯议会反抗总统鲍里斯·叶尔钦,俄罗斯还没有设立过有权接替或取代现任总统的副总统职位。库德林声称这一安排得到了美国和欧盟的支持。库德林还将利用俄罗斯国内外寡头的支持。

    http://johnhelmer.net/vice-president-for-capitulation-putin-decides-what-job-to-give-kudrin/

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @米特勒

    But what would be the policies?

    What policies would lead to a dismantlement of the sanctions? My guess is there'd be no immediate dismantlement. For example, a lot of the sanctions were nominally introduced as a result of the Crimea annexation. Would Kudrin immediately return Crimea to Ukraine? Some of the sanctions were in response to "Russian meddling" in the US presidential elections. Will they also be lifted?

    But as I said, Putin seems to be weak anyway, so some kind of capitulation is in the cards. It's just that - fittingly - the Russian elites won't be able to reap many benefits of the capitulation. It will take a long time to dismantle the sanctions (some of which need an act of Congress, for example), so I'm just skeptical capitulation would actually work for its intended purpose of reinvigorating the Russian economy.

    但我们会看到的。

    回复:@Mitleser

  369. @Mitleser
    @reiner托尔


    目前还不清楚普京如何投降。
     
    接受库德林的提议。

    俄罗斯总统弗拉基米尔·普京正在考虑是否任命一名副总统,负责与美国和欧盟谈判结束制裁以及俄罗斯外交和国防政策的转变。

    在前财政部长阿列克谢·库德林(主图,中)提出的计划中,该职位将拥有比总理更多的权力,允许德米特里·梅德韦杰夫继续留任,但让他服从新任总理。库德林的想法是他将成为事实上的副总统。继普京之后政府的主要决策者;以及他可能的继任者。

    副总统是克里姆林宫官员和顾问中使用的术语。自1993年宪法危机以来,副总统鲁茨科伊领导俄罗斯议会反抗总统鲍里斯·叶尔钦,俄罗斯还没有设立过有权接替或取代现任总统的副总统职位。库德林声称这一安排得到了美国和欧盟的支持。库德林还将利用俄罗斯国内外寡头的支持。
     
    http://johnhelmer.net/vice-president-for-capitulation-putin-decides-what-job-to-give-kudrin/

    回复:@reiner Tor

    But what would be the policies?

    What policies would lead to a dismantlement of the sanctions? My guess is there’d be no immediate dismantlement. For example, a lot of the sanctions were nominally introduced as a result of the Crimea annexation. Would Kudrin immediately return Crimea to Ukraine? Some of the sanctions were in response to “Russian meddling” in the US presidential elections. Will they also be lifted?

    But as I said, Putin seems to be weak anyway, so some kind of capitulation is in the cards. It’s just that – fittingly – the Russian elites won’t be able to reap many benefits of the capitulation. It will take a long time to dismantle the sanctions (some of which need an act of Congress, for example), so I’m just skeptical capitulation would actually work for its intended purpose of reinvigorating the Russian economy.

    但我们会看到的。

    • 回复: @Mitleser
    @reiner托尔


    But what would be the policies?

    What policies would lead to a dismantlement of the sanctions?
     

    He also means to implement sharp cuts in defence spending, and a policy of withdrawal from the Ukraine and Syrian fronts on the terms demanded by Washington. He favours a massive sell-off of state assets to the oligarchs, whose capital export Kudrin has long protected, and whose bailout by the state banks Kudrin directed in 2008 with his longtime ally, German Gref (lead image, 2nd from left), chief executive of Sberbank. When Kudrin uses the word reform, he means a privatization of the state’s assets to the oligarchs, and nationalization of the oligarchs’ losses and liabilities.
     

    For example, a lot of the sanctions were nominally introduced as a result of the Crimea annexation.
     
    Crimea sanctions do not matter much.
    Donbass (and other newer sanctions) matter.

    Will they also be lifted?
     
    Even during Kudrin's time in office, Russia was sanctioned.
    They might be lessened for concessions like the arrest and transfer of certain people to America or elsewhere

    回复:@reiner Tor

  370. @reiner Tor
    @米特勒

    But what would be the policies?

    What policies would lead to a dismantlement of the sanctions? My guess is there'd be no immediate dismantlement. For example, a lot of the sanctions were nominally introduced as a result of the Crimea annexation. Would Kudrin immediately return Crimea to Ukraine? Some of the sanctions were in response to "Russian meddling" in the US presidential elections. Will they also be lifted?

    But as I said, Putin seems to be weak anyway, so some kind of capitulation is in the cards. It's just that - fittingly - the Russian elites won't be able to reap many benefits of the capitulation. It will take a long time to dismantle the sanctions (some of which need an act of Congress, for example), so I'm just skeptical capitulation would actually work for its intended purpose of reinvigorating the Russian economy.

    但我们会看到的。

    回复:@Mitleser

    But what would be the policies?

    What policies would lead to a dismantlement of the sanctions?

    He also means to implement sharp cuts in defence spending, and a policy of withdrawal from the Ukraine and Syrian fronts on the terms demanded by Washington. He favours a massive sell-off of state assets to the oligarchs, whose capital export Kudrin has long protected, and whose bailout by the state banks Kudrin directed in 2008 with his longtime ally, German Gref (lead image, 2nd from left), chief executive of Sberbank. When Kudrin uses the word reform, he means a privatization of the state’s assets to the oligarchs, and nationalization of the oligarchs’ losses and liabilities.

    For example, a lot of the sanctions were nominally introduced as a result of the Crimea annexation.

    Crimea sanctions do not matter much.
    Donbass (and other newer sanctions) matter.

    Will they also be lifted?

    Even during Kudrin’s time in office, Russia was sanctioned.
    They might be lessened for concessions like the arrest and transfer of certain people to America or elsewhere

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @米特勒


    They might be lessened for concessions like the arrest and transfer of certain people to America or elsewhere
     
    They might. Or they might not.

    I agree a capitulation is in the cards. It's just difficult to see what kind of concessions you are talking about.

    Arresting Russian citizens and extraditing them to America is theoretically forbidden by the Russian constitution, and I don't think Russian elites want to go there anyway. They like this provision, and they liked it already in the 1990s, when some oligarchs were already sanctioned.

    Are you talking about Snowden?

    What other concessions do you have in mind? How could the West guarantee that the sanctions won't continue despite Russia giving up Donbass? What to do about "election meddling" sanctions? What can Russia do? Officially accept that it "meddled" (whatever that means) in the US elections, apologize, and..? Will the Americans accept that, or, smelling weakness, amend their demand list?

    Remember that Gorbachev also wanted economic concessions (perhaps aid worth hundreds of billions of dollars) in exchange for giving up the empire. In the end, he didn't receive much. Nor did Yeltsin.

    回复:@Anatoly Karlin

  371. @Mitleser
    @reiner托尔


    But what would be the policies?

    What policies would lead to a dismantlement of the sanctions?
     

    He also means to implement sharp cuts in defence spending, and a policy of withdrawal from the Ukraine and Syrian fronts on the terms demanded by Washington. He favours a massive sell-off of state assets to the oligarchs, whose capital export Kudrin has long protected, and whose bailout by the state banks Kudrin directed in 2008 with his longtime ally, German Gref (lead image, 2nd from left), chief executive of Sberbank. When Kudrin uses the word reform, he means a privatization of the state’s assets to the oligarchs, and nationalization of the oligarchs’ losses and liabilities.
     

    For example, a lot of the sanctions were nominally introduced as a result of the Crimea annexation.
     
    Crimea sanctions do not matter much.
    Donbass (and other newer sanctions) matter.

    Will they also be lifted?
     
    Even during Kudrin's time in office, Russia was sanctioned.
    They might be lessened for concessions like the arrest and transfer of certain people to America or elsewhere

    回复:@reiner Tor

    They might be lessened for concessions like the arrest and transfer of certain people to America or elsewhere

    They might. Or they might not.

    I agree a capitulation is in the cards. It’s just difficult to see what kind of concessions you are talking about.

    Arresting Russian citizens and extraditing them to America is theoretically forbidden by the Russian constitution, and I don’t think Russian elites want to go there anyway. They like this provision, and they liked it already in the 1990s, when some oligarchs were already sanctioned.

    Are you talking about Snowden?

    What other concessions do you have in mind? How could the West guarantee that the sanctions won’t continue despite Russia giving up Donbass? What to do about “election meddling” sanctions? What can Russia do? Officially accept that it “meddled” (whatever that means) in the US elections, apologize, and..? Will the Americans accept that, or, smelling weakness, amend their demand list?

    Remember that Gorbachev also wanted economic concessions (perhaps aid worth hundreds of billions of dollars) in exchange for giving up the empire. In the end, he didn’t receive much. Nor did Yeltsin.

    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
    @reiner托尔

    And this is why that FT article strikes me as being wishful thinking, or a plant by Kudrin.

    I don't consider the kremlins to be clever, but nor do I think they're 笨。

    Also the personal relations between Kudrin and Medvedev are hostile. I am not sure they have the capacity to coordinate a scheme like that.

    回复:@reiner Tor

  372. @reiner Tor
    @米特勒


    They might be lessened for concessions like the arrest and transfer of certain people to America or elsewhere
     
    They might. Or they might not.

    I agree a capitulation is in the cards. It's just difficult to see what kind of concessions you are talking about.

    Arresting Russian citizens and extraditing them to America is theoretically forbidden by the Russian constitution, and I don't think Russian elites want to go there anyway. They like this provision, and they liked it already in the 1990s, when some oligarchs were already sanctioned.

    Are you talking about Snowden?

    What other concessions do you have in mind? How could the West guarantee that the sanctions won't continue despite Russia giving up Donbass? What to do about "election meddling" sanctions? What can Russia do? Officially accept that it "meddled" (whatever that means) in the US elections, apologize, and..? Will the Americans accept that, or, smelling weakness, amend their demand list?

    Remember that Gorbachev also wanted economic concessions (perhaps aid worth hundreds of billions of dollars) in exchange for giving up the empire. In the end, he didn't receive much. Nor did Yeltsin.

    回复:@Anatoly Karlin

    And this is why that FT article strikes me as being wishful thinking, or a plant by Kudrin.

    I don’t consider the kremlins to be clever, but nor do I think they’re 笨。

    Also the personal relations between Kudrin and Medvedev are hostile. I am not sure they have the capacity to coordinate a scheme like that.

    • 同意: reiner Tor
    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    @Anatoly卡琳

    And this is why that FT article strikes me as being wishful thinking, or a plant by Kudrin.

    Or a plant by a Kudrin enemy? Possibly to make Kudrin look suspicious in the eyes of Putin?

  373. @Anatoly Karlin
    @reiner托尔

    And this is why that FT article strikes me as being wishful thinking, or a plant by Kudrin.

    I don't consider the kremlins to be clever, but nor do I think they're 笨。

    Also the personal relations between Kudrin and Medvedev are hostile. I am not sure they have the capacity to coordinate a scheme like that.

    回复:@reiner Tor

    And this is why that FT article strikes me as being wishful thinking, or a plant by Kudrin.

    Or a plant by a Kudrin enemy? Possibly to make Kudrin look suspicious in the eyes of Putin?

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