It also seems *extremely* suspicious that all their eyewitness testimony was left out of the official NIST report and was only later discovered through FOIA filings.

The NIST is part of the Department of Commerce. Commerce is one of the Departments in the heavily Jewish Biden administration that’s in white Gentile hands. I’d love to know what the current head of NIST and the Secretary of Commerce, Gina Raimondo, think about all this. Is Gina Raimondo related to Justin Raimondo, author of The Terror Enigma?

Hi TV,

I checked both of Mark Gaffney’s recent articles. I both articles your comments are ~10% of the totals, so I don’t see where the deletions occurred:

Don’t know about Gina, Justin was Yid.

5ds

Justin was Yid.

Do you have a source?

Here’s a comprehensive history lesson for all here:

Timeline: Key Events In The Israel-Arab And Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
Conversations on social media, news media coverage, events on college campuses, and general public discourse related to the Israel-Hamas war demonstrate a dire need for accurate information about Israel, Zionism, and the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict. As the war continues to evolve, staying well-informed about the historical context and ongoing developments is crucial for fostering more understanding and informed opinions.

The timeline below aims to address frequently asked questions about Israel’s history and to help dispel misinformation about the events leading up to this point.

Here is a timeline summarizing key events in both Israel’s history within the broader context of the Arab-Israeli and Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

https://www.ajc.org/IsraelConflictTimeline

Just memory from years commenting at anti war before getting banned.
No success finding backup so will have to retract.
Raimondo not someone Yid would claim.
Lot I could no longer find.

Will go with false memory for now.

5ds

Thanks for that deep dive MK.
I was aware of participating in two 9/11 threads authored by Mark Gaffney last year, and just assumed that the first two I located in the archives were the two in question.
But in fact there were three (3) such threads authored by Mark Gaffney. The one titled ‘Demolition-of-the-world-trade-center’ is the biggie (the one with over 1800 comments).
And this is the one I was thinking of when I ran across the other two Mark Gaffney threads, which seemed to be missing lots of comments from Dovid Miller.

Anyway, if you’re reading this Ron Unz, my apologies to you for implying that you may have purged some commentary from the archives.

Ron, what happened to Open Thread # 8?

Now, I get it that when a particular thread becomes too wordy that you close it down, usually ending with a comment from you to that effect.
But even once closed, these threads are still available to access in the archives. (I had some material in my comments posted in Open Thread # 8 in the way of links to articles/videos etc, that I may want to retrieve for future reference).

I tried entering ‘Open Thread # 8’ in the Search Bar located at top right, but could not retrieve it.

Click on the ‘Announcement’ tile at the top of page.

I come across all sorts of information/content from various sources, some of which I can’t verify, but quite a bit certainly seems true, like the Protocols. I made note of the following blurb, whence I don’t recall-

According to lon Mihai Pacepa, the chief intelligence officer in communist Romania, what happened in Russia and how Putin took over resembles plans reportedly discussed by Stasi officers. The plan specified to the West about re-branding East Germany as a democratic capitalist country, but which would be in practice taken over by Stasi officers. It was registered as Top Secret Document 0008-6/86 of 17 March 1986. According to Pacepa, other communist intelligence services had similar plans. On 12 March 1990, Der Spiegel reported that the Stasi was indeed attempting to implement
0008-6/86.

Then, this morning I read an article @ American Thinker (I know, it’s pro-Israel, but they post good information nonetheless) referencing Yuri Bezmenov, and this is an interesting 6 minute excerpt from his interview in the 80’s, essentially confirming the above blurb, as it pertains to America/Great Britain, for what it’s worth.

Latest from John Campbell:

Bezmenov’s spiel of yore makes alot of sense if you edit him, and replace the word ‘thugs’ for his use of the word ‘Marxists’ (I bet Bezmenov knew that, as well, but chose not to say it that way). Truth be told it doesn’t matter the initial political stripes, when it is a cover for thugs. When the thugs then prevail by way of manifold possible avenues of subversive corruption, which all look different (but in spirit really aren’t, ….. just different flavors of the same thing), … we get what Bezmenov outlines at the very end of the clip (the tables are mercilessly turned on the dupes that were manipulated by way of telling them what they wanted to hear, but otherwise salting that narrative with subversive undertones that slowly will come home to roost, … various such subliminal strands all of a sudden going public overt-mode all over the place).

To me, is sorta feels like we might be at the stage where ‘various such subliminal strands all of a sudden going public overt-mode all over the place’, is close at hand. Freaky (the feeling), is all I can say.

On 9-11, that fact that our government won’t do something should tell you all you need to know about who actually controls our freemasonic Republic. Corbett Report’s “Five Dancing Israelis” was the beginning of my understanding something is very wrong with the standard story, with our country, with the hidden agenda, with our bought and paid for politicians, and why our government seems to be working against the people. It also explains why we have untold amounts of money to fight Israel’s wars and to fight in Ukraine which in reality is just an Israeli proxy war they call (Kissinger) “The Greater Israel Project”. The Yids want to return home, and they are trying to clear the land of all the goyim. Prove me wrong, you cannot. Corbett Report’s video link is here in case you have never seen it.

https://corbettreport.com/911suspects/

I saw what 9-11 was when I saw the buildings, – the first one collapsed directly down through its own footprint. I was having breakfast in a bar at around 9:30 AM, I said that it had to be an inside job because of how the buildings collapsed and the fact of the OKC bombings, Kennedy assassination, Holohoax, missing 2.1 Trillion dollars, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc…etc. Twenty-five people laughed at me. I thought – “OK, this is a psychological problem” and I have followed that tract of thinking since it happened.

The book “Political Ponerology” is a very good and important book. I’ve read it a few times. I’d like to hear what Ron Unz, one of my favorite intellects, thinks of it. I’m studying Kant to get a solid understanding of the basics of human cognition and have been reading everything I can find on propaganda and bullshit.

I’ve been a conspiracy theorist since the age of 11 when my school principal talked with me in his office about questioning the holocaust. He agreed with me in that it was hoax but also said my life could be somewhere between difficult to impossible if I continued to question it. I was just an ordinary kid, no genius or anything, never did homework and was always happy with a C grade.

As a brief followup: are you now retracting your charge that many of your comments, as well as Dave’s, had been removed from the Gaffney plowshares article?

To recap my page searches:

This is response to PhysicistDave’s comment #1127 of Open Thread #8:

This is a response to the scurrilous attack by PhysicistDave at the end of Open Thread 8. Perhaps Ron could shoot him an email inviting him to move his bloviating obfuscations over to here.

Well, … ‘Why should matter and consciousness be any different?’

Because matter takes many forms, as does consciousness, it seems. ? So, it isn’t really different, and the variety of interactions is endless.

A rose bush is alive; it bends towards the sun; who put those thorns on the stem to protect the blooms? Did the rose conjure the thorns?

Today, in 2024, there are humans who build dwellings with manure and grass, and there are humans who build dwellings, and have for centuries, like Windsor Palace, Schloss Berg, Linderhof Palace, The White House….I would say the builders have opposing levels of consciousness, and just like the interaction between rose bush/sun beam, check out the new digs of Jay-Z, a manure builder, and the results of his interactions with the Palace builders. (Ok, maybe it’s not “just like,” but close enough for my purpose, which is to mess with you).

Of all the commenters on TUR, you are the only one who 1. Made me pause and ask – How do I answer?, and 2. After reading a thousand + words, I also ask – What?

Warm chocolate pudding and cold whip cream, Wild Man…please. They interact quite well, especially if one drops a little whip cream on his/her lap. (How’s that for an underpinning?)

Of course, it’s completely fair to make us pay for our diplomas:

BA = Bachelor of Anti-Semitism
MA = Master of Anti-Semitism
PhD = Doctor of Philosophical Anti-Semitism
JD = Doctor of Jew-hatred
MD = Doctor of Mendacious Jewspeak
etc.

If you have the BA, you’re armed and dangerous. By the way, does the retirement of BA holder Victoria Nuland mean neoconservatives in Washington are waning?

To get the MD, you have to recognize that Jewish virologist Jonas Salk’s vaccine did nothing to reduce cases of polio or severe cases of that disease. Polio was eradicated by the elimination of DDT and other harmful pesticides. Salk merely did some experiments in his lab and posed for pictures.

https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-vaccines-and-the-mystery-of-polio/

Did Nuland retire? Maybe she’s checked into a fat farm to get some much needed R&R?

The reason I criticized my uncle in my Amazon review is after I met Steven Jones speaking at a 9/11 Truth Conference at CU Boulder back in 2007, he told me he was a graduate student of my Uncle Burt at SLAC. Immediately i dashed off an email to my Uncle to ask if he was aware of Jones’ 9/11 Truth advocacy and what he thought of it. He replied in very tepid cautious terms and never responded to an email from me after that. That’s why I resorted to addressing him in the Amazon review:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R4JBIFD7OTQ4O/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0521747813

Two grad students from SLAC:
Steven Jones a hero to bubus Americanus
Davey Miller a shameless apologist for ZOG (who issued his paychecks out of DOE).

Something Freaky is afoot, for certain.

Everyone who knows, knows who the Leninists/Bolshevists/Stalinists were/are, and I suppose Stalin was the Lenin/Bronstein Frankenstein creation, sans the tender heart. Spectre, Ignatiev, Boas, BiBi, et al – they all say what it is they want.

See #21.

…. are you now retracting your charge that many of your comments, as well as Dave’s, had been removed from the Gaffney plowshares article?

I recall having multiple vigorous exchanges with Fizzy-cyst Dovid in at least one Mark Gaffney thread, which I assumed to be the two threads with the lower comment count.
But, after you brought to my attention the Mark Gaffney article with 1800+ comments, after reviewing it, this clearly had the bulk of those exchanges I had with Dovid Miller that I could not initially locate.

So yes, in view of that I’ll have to retract any accusations I had made before, because I can’t definitively state that any comments of mine/Dovid Miller/or anyone else have been scrubbed.

BTW, I love your suggestions made in comment # 20 (BA = Bachelor of Anti-Semitism, MA = Master of Anti-Semitism, PhD = Doctor of Philosophical Anti-Semitism etc).
I have to give it to you MK, you are one creative (and pragmatic) fellow.
I am very pleased to have made your acquaintance and am embarrassed over some of my early exchanges with you.
I completely misjudged you when we first crossed paths, and used some less than flattering terms in some of those exchanges made a few years ago.

Not so in the case of Fizzy-cyst Dovid. I was very cordial with him for quite a while in my first interactions with him. But, as he posted one falsehood after another, which built up into a mountain of mendacity, it became abundantly evident that he comes to UR with malice aforethought.
It is clear to me that he has been put up to this by his handlers/financial benefactors.
He is a wicked little man indeed.

Fizzy-cyst Dovid, seeing as you smeared AE911Truth beacons of integrity like Tony Szamboti and others, why don’t you respond to Dr Kevin Barrett’s remarks (scroll up to comment # 15 in this thread)??
Hmmm … just as I thought. You are too much of COWARD to take on Kevin Barrett.
He will chew you up and spit you out in short order.

Yeah, … the ‘thugs’ in our case, .,…. for us in the west, it is this faux-west globalist cabal that are the ‘thugs’, which is probably about 25% Jewish. That influence-weighting may well have been true, thug-action-wise, in Russia as well (appears it was probably something like that). It’s the outsized (10x – 100x ethnic over-weighting in globalist circles that affect us in the west) subversive Jewish influence that is the big issue (same as occurred in the early Soviet innings, apparently).

Biden and the Democrats are fast finding themselves between a rock and a hard place.

‘…Last week, over 101,000 Michigan residents cast “uncommitted” ballots in the Democratic primary, for around 13 percent of the vote. This week, on Super Tuesday, Minnesota saw nearly 19 percent of its primary votes go to the “uncommitted” category — an even higher ratio of voters, despite the last-minute nature of the state’s protest…’

‘Jewish Students Spat On, Insulted During Debate on Boycotting Israel at Tufts University’

Jewish students in general, or just Jewish students who supported Israel?

No comment:

Hamas did NOT bake a Jewish baby in an oven.

However, the Israelis did bake a Palestinian child in an oven and made the child’s father watch. pic.twitter.com/sYHoO1UCxn

— Stew Peters (@realstewpeters) January 8, 2024

5ds

Since Jesus was Jewish, does that mean that his dad was also Jewish and therefore, the only real religion would be Judaism?

‘It’s sometimes striking that conspiracy-activists such as yourself possess almost no logical thinking…’

The lack would facilitate the development of their theories.

‘…Since Jesus was Jewish, does that mean that his dad was also Jewish and therefore, the only real religion would be Judaism?’

You must gave been absent the day they covered that at the yeshiva.

In the wake of the ‘uncommitted’ votes in the Michigan and Minnesota Democratic primaries, I wonder if the Democratic Party has considered revising the ballots to render that choice impossible in the remaining contests?

Washington State in particular could prove embarrassing for good ol’ Joe.

Wow, you are right!

All should convert and go to Israel, especially Western Asians and Blacks.

Man, all those Mexicans, why aren’t they in Israel yet?

You are so right!

[You have been warned. No more anti-vaxxing comments or everything you publish on this website will get trashed and good riddance to you.]

There is no ‘only real religion’. That does not exist and never ever did. That is the problem, …. that many many people, (including a whole lot of Christians and and a whole lot of Muslims) continue to fall for, after 2,000 years of western offers to repair this strange ontological condition (actually more than 2,000 years, … our western tradition actually hails from the Greek Stoics).

Not an aspect of US politics I am familiar with, but I take it this means a refusal on the part of these people to endorse Biden.

Good day, Mr. Unz,

I haven’t had much time for participating here of late, and so I’ve decided to ignore a few replies by “Patrick McNally” (or whatever that troll calls itself)), and am just jumping ahead to your new open thread. (if “Patrick” wants to, it can continue here).

There are lots of Truthers around, and none of them have been assassinated.

Didn’t you consider it a distinct possibility that ‘inadvertent ‘truther’ and Controlled Demolition expert, Danny Jowenko, might very well have been assassinated?

the MSM would ferociously ridicule and insult him, [Ron Paul] he might lose his Youtube channel, and he’d be blacklisted everywhere, so his political effectiveness would certainly be destroyed.

I wonder if the day will ultimately come, when we’re all going to have to make that Vlad Putin-type of decision, and realize that any hope of appeasing ZOG, is just going to get us further down the road of increasingly irreversible destruction.

It seems to me a decision you have made, vis-a-vis 9/11, (and the ‘Holocaust’ and other heresies).

Wouldn’t Ron Paul’s (or Julian Assange or Edward Snowden or a thousand other highly-respected journalists or academics or political leaders, etc..), particularly at the sunset of their lives, be most politically effective if they were to come out strong on 9/11 truth?

With the world facing nuclear WWIII, and the Western world under a ferocious war of genocide waged from within, and with Gaza being starved and brutalized en masse..

.. wouldn’t now be a good time for someone like Ron Paul, (or Elon Musk or Tucker Carlson, etc..) to simply suggest to people that they look into it?

My fear, (like Edward Snowden’s), is that if the people of the Western world, all have it spelled out for them, that 9/11 was planned and orchestrated by Israel’s Mossad and elements within the Bush administration, the CIA and FBI at the highest levels, et cetera..

..that they would collectively go back to chewing their cud. Exactly as Snowden feared. We all now know that our ‘Intelligence’ agencies and Big Tech are all spying on us all 24/7, that it’s unconstitutional, illegal and treason..

.. and yet the response is

Perhaps if Ron Paul, (or someone of his stature) did come out with the hard truth, it would generate barely a yawn from the American public.

Ron Paul endlessly ranted about vaxxing dangers, the evils of Big PhRMA, that the Covid epidemic was mostly a hoax, and all the other ridiculous Covid conspiracy nonsense.

Do you consider Big Pharma, (and the WHO and CDC, et al…) to be benign entities, who people should trust, and even obey? For the good of all?

Or rather, the powerful groups who run our society regarding all those anti-vaxxers as a bunch of ridiculous crackpots, happy that they were wasting their time and energy on such total nonsense rather than any of the potentially more “dangerous” issues, perhaps including 9/11.

I wonder how much truth there is to that, Mr. Unz

A lot, I suspect.

You anti-vaxxers have got to be the most gullible idiots in the world.

I’ve watched on your site, as many people have unleashed unfair vitriol in your direction, for your well-intended efforts to get at the truth of Covid and its provenance. To this day I consider your theory to be sound, if as yet unproven. So I’d consider your ‘less-than-measured’ rhetoric when describing vaccine-skeptics, (as I’d call myself), as an unfortunate consequence of the invective hurled back and forth, vis-a-vis the Covid debate.

If your theory is correct, and Covid was deliberately unleashed upon China, (and Iran and others), for some nefarious plot by men like Mike Pompeo and others.. Wouldn’t it be prudent to be skeptical of those same PTB? When they’re ordering us all to get vaxxed, while giving congress and Big Pharma employees (and I guess illegal aliens as well) an exemption to the vaxx mandates?

I respect people who have gotten vaxxed, for whatever reasons they have. It’s their body and their life, so I consider the decision to be theirs, 100%

But I also respect those people who’re skeptical of our government and Big Pharma and those organizations like the CDC and WHO, (and WEF, and NATO, et al), who imperiously demand they know what’s best for us all. And we’d better obey, or else.

Since Jesus was Jewish,

genetically, Jesus was a Palestinian

and theologically, Jesus was/is, The Christian God, so the people closest to Jesus, would be the Christian Palestinians. (not some so-called “Jews” from Eastern Europe).

Don’t you think, in a way, that history is repeating itself, as anti-Christ ‘Jewish’ supremacists in the Holy Land, are once again persecuting and crucifying the people of Christ?

It’s getting to cease to be news.

‘Sexual abuse allegation in Kibbutz Be’eri on 7 October ‘not true’, says spokesperson
New York Times report alleging sexual abuse against two sisters during Hamas attack denied by kibbutz spokesperson…’

The consistency with which Israel and its advocates have lied about October 7th has moved beyond infuriating.

It’s just strange. How can they think this is a good tactic?

I apologize to TV for apparently provoking this outrageous attack against him. But I am thankful that the dark clouds of uncertainty have lifted so we can stop wasting our time and our hope on this site of

Irrelevance Deflection and Fantasy.

yikes

it seems your ire has been irked, Mr. Unz

stop leaving anti-vaxxing comments.

I think that you and the other idiots in your circle ..

Perhaps if you could be a bit more specific, about what constitutes “anti-vaxxing comments”, that would help those of us guests at your site to know what might be a red line of sorts.

I did just ask you, for instance..

“Do you consider Big Pharma, (and the WHO and CDC, et al…) to be benign entities, who people should trust, and even obey? For the good of all?”

and made this comment..

“I respect people who have gotten vaxxed, for whatever reasons they have. It’s their body and their life, so I consider the decision to be theirs, 100%

But I also respect those people who’re skeptical of our government and Big Pharma and those organizations like the CDC and WHO, (and WEF, and NATO, et al), who imperiously demand they know what’s best for us all. And we’d better obey, or else. “

Which I hope is considered respectful and in accordance with the decorum here at your site.

In any case, while I don’t agree with all of TruthV’s positions, I certainly would like to be included in what you describe as his ‘… friends’.

And as opposed to the commenters like PhysicistDave, a thousand times more so.

But that said, I also agree that you’ve got to have very, very thick skin, Mr. Unz, to take so much of the gratuitous abuse that is so often scurrilously hurled your way. If TruthV has overstepped a line, what I’ve seen you endure from others, makes his transgressions, (which he did atone for) look very mild, at least to me.

FWIW

Irrelevance Deflection and Fantasy.

MK, I just wrote a comment about Mr. Unz having to endure ‘gratuitous abuse’ that is so often scurrilously hurled his way.

Implying that his site is an IDF psyop, is as scurrilous and unwarranted as it gets

!

While I’ve appreciated your kind words, MK – if you feel that way about TUR, then why don’t you just depart?

Not that I’m suggesting that you do, but for the sake of propriety and etiquette, perhaps you could desist from descending into the worst kind of calumny towards our host, who has, (as he just pointed out), provided one of, (if not the premiere) site for free speech, (including speech that the IDF consider inconvenient, to say the least), that exists on the English-speaking Internet.

FWIW

[You are an anti-vaxxer and I’ve become totally fed up with the idiotic anti-vaxxers cluttering up this website, especially the ones who post thousand-word comments on total nonsense. If you sincerely apologize and promise to henceforth avoid anti-vaxxing stupidity, maybe your comments on other subjects won’t get trashed. But since they’re mostly just a waste of space, you must use MORE tags on the longer ones to avoid cluttering up the comments. Otherwise they’ll all get trashed.]

Leaked Israel lobby presentation urges US officials to justify war on Gaza with ‘Hamas rape’ claims

The Grayzone has obtained slides from a confidential Israel lobby presentation based on data from Republican pollster Frank Luntz. They contain talking points for politicians and public figures seeking to justify Israel’s assault on the Gaza Strip. […]

A source who was present during several meetings provided Luntz’s slides to The Grayzone. Participants were informed that the presentations and data contained in the slides were strictly confidential, the source said.

“This is NOT helpful,” Luntz stated in response to an email from The Grayzone requesting his comment on the private meetings.

https://thegrayzone.com/2024/03/06/leaked-israel-lobby-officials-war-gaza-mass-rape/

lol

…Republican pollster Frank Luntz.

Republican never Yid. Shlomo Luntz, Yid pollster.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz

5ds

Thank-you for reinstating some of my comments. I appreciate that. But this morning I find that those comments now still appear in Open Thread #9, but have now again been removed from my personal comment section. There is some technical glitches still apparent on your website (as I was at first advising you yesterday within one of the trashed comments that never got un-trashed). Can you please return said un-trashed comments to my personal comment section, again, please (like you restored the un-trashing of some of my comments in both open Thread #9 and within my personal comments yesterday, but then this morning I find that is now only true within the Open Thread #9, but not my personal comment section?).

See the latest from Andrew Anglin re his analysis of the upcoming 2024 election cycle in the U.S.:

https://dailystormer.in/a-total-reevaluation-of-the-2024-election/

Mmmm. Great minds think alike, I guess? AA gives the details around what I had summarized in comment #13 here in this thread, as linked.

AA notes the stupid gamble being played by the Netanyahu regime in Israel. The main difference between our spiels on this, being that AA doesn’t claim the potential for a hidden occult esoteric angle here in this article, that I do mildly speculate may well end up explaining this strange Bibi-regime dynamic in the fullness of time, … as I have often posted here at UR.

It is likely that the faux-west globalists are in the process of switching out political pawns (which Trump is), … just as AA outlines. That is what it looks like, from this current time-frame perspective, anyways. But like I said (and AA chimes in) pret near any completely surprising thing, can actually happen at any time now, before election time, as well. I don’t think this looks good, for an analysis of Trump’s character, at all, (perhaps unlike AA’s take), …. and if we get another bad actor as leader (Trump as this?), … well, at this point we are fucked then, unless the globalists realize they have been too brashly confident and goofed that way and realize they now need to re-consolidate, and so will now pick the guy that was actually trying to do that ‘go-careful-mode’ for these faux-west globalist powers in 2016 – 2020 (Trump as president making the moves to keep this faux-west globalist cabal active, as a real power in the world, for at least another 10 years, vis-a-vis what Biden offers, … which seems to be a quicker demise of faux-west globalism as it is on the way to misplaced pretensions of prevailing, within a new One World Governmental Order) … a new One World Governmental Order that is not gonna happen,, … at least not now in the coming decades, … unless it is forced by nukes or something crazy like that.

Will the faux-west globalists regroup under political pawn Trump, in this way, … or will they quadruple-down on the ‘take over the rest of the world now’ shtick, as under Biden, … even though said attempt appears to be pathetic?

[I’ve already warned that anti-vaxxing comments will be trashed. Take heed!]

Anti-vaxxers are the stupidest, most gullible people in the world

Perhaps it would be expedient for your commentariat to know what exactly constitutes an ‘anti-vaxxer’, as you describe them.

Here is comment for tiptoethrutulips:

See this from Andrew Anglin:

https://dailystormer.in/florida-150-men-arrested-for-trying-to-have-sex-with-prostitutes-in-human-trafficking-bust/

He is way too harsh. But nevertheless he is right that ‘This is Vagina Law’, I think. I don’t think it wise to visit prostitutes in this social environment. As well, I have noticed that the profession is muchly psychologically dis-ordering, … and so why would one want to contribute to that, or be on the receiving end of that?

A man takes care of himself, and that is fine, and not weird, and everybody should just get used to these facts. Men are generally in possession of very high levels of personal discipline, is what I want to impress upon you. Women should not be fooled, to believe otherwise.

Tennessee Rep. Chuck Fleischmann responds to Code Pink pro-Palestinians who have taken to harassing members of Congress walking down congressional office hallways. These obnoxious gadflies should be evicted from the building permanently.
pic.twitter.com/1K3VdZvGkT

— Joseph Gelman (@ifofgot) March 7, 2024

From wiki:

Fleischmann… is a distant relative of Harry Houdini.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Fleischmann

From wiki:

Erik Weisz [known as Harry Houdini] was born in Budapest, Kingdom of Hungary to a Jewish family.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Houdini

This is a very relevant article to the initial topic of this Thread.

The writer for The Atlantic, Franklin Foer, starts off by describing the climate in California’s Bay Area K-12 schools following the October 7 attack in Israel. Based on Foer’s account, there was a very healthy contempt for Israel present among Berkeley and Oakland public school teachers and students after the attack. Foer mistakenly believes the Hamas fighters raped and murdered many scores of Israeli civilians and doesn’t appear to know that the Israeli military did most of the killing of civilians on October 7 and that Hamas treated those it kidnapped nicely, which explains his bemused concern over the teasing and crude insults endured by Northern California Jews after the attack in Israel and subsequent Israeli bombardment of Gaza.

The article describes the horrible anti-Semitic conspiracy theories claiming that American Jews control U.S. foreign policy, the “absurd” theory that the Mossad took down the World Trade Center, as well as the ascription of excessive power and sinister motives to the Jewish neoconservatives of the Bush administration. The author gives a fair amount of space to the 2018 anti-Semitic mass shooting at a Pittsburgh synagogue that killed 11, a concrete example that Foer and many other Jews would cite as powerful evidence of the scourge of anti-Semitism in America. However, once we recognize that Israeli and American Jews took down the Twin Towers, which immediately led to the Afghanistan War, and that many of those same Jews orchestrated the Iraq War, we see that the over 9,000 American Gentile victims of 9/11 and the War on Terror were victims of Jewish violence. The difference between 11 and 9,000 is very big, suggesting that anti-Gentilism is a much bigger problem in America than anti-Semitism.

And “anti-Gentilism” is an even bigger problem in Palestine. Foer mentions that every Passover, religious Jews recite the phrase: “In every generation, our enemies rise up to destroy us.” Earlier, he mentions Thomas Friedman’s comment that Jews liked the new images of themselves as pilots and tank commanders created by Israel’s military victories in the 1960s that replaced older stereotypes of Jews as weaklings. Combine that Passover declaration, plus the Talmudic doctrine that Gentile lives have no value, plus the desire for Jews to appear “strong”, with the tendency for both religious and secular Jews to believe the greatest sorts of atrocities have been committed against their people throughout history and to the present day, and we can see why Israel has murdered so many tens of thousands of Palestinians recently with most Jews not really being strongly opposed to this.

An odd feature of the article is Foer recounting the glories of American Jews in the pluralistic, 20th century America that they helped create, after he earlier on flatly described the establishment of a pluralistic, united state of Palestine containing both Jews and Arabs as the “elimination” of Israel. Surely if American Jews in the past locked arms with blacks during the Civil Rights Movement and promoted the immigration of all sorts of peoples to America, then Israeli Jews can do the same things with Palestinians. Foer also treats the reader to the howler that the number of Jews on several Ivy League campuses has sharply declined this century, when the reality is pretty much the opposite. He closes by suggesting that thousands of American Jews might be on their way to Germany soon because of the terrible anti-Semitic climate in America these days, which says a lot about the mentality of a segment of Jews.

Well, this thread has gone a bit sideways, and I don’t want to get in trouble with the Host, as sometimes you should dance with the one who brought you, so to speak, but as a mother, I have something to say about vaccines, in general.

Wow, further to my two prior comments in this thread I have co-joined, …. look at this, on an emerging Biden plan to interject some American control over the events unfolding in Gaza:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-orders-emergency-mission-build-port-gaza-aid-shipments

Let’s say we assume Biden here is attempting to actually do the pro-social approach, and intends to interject huge humanitarian aid into Gaza this way, …. well that would immediately be followed by American personnel stationed in Gaza to make sure there is no distribution shenanigans (because Bibi’s regime can’t be trusted, this way, Biden knows). If that is what is going on here, …. guess what?, … that means the Americans are going to take over Gaza then. What’s next after that is a big question mark.

This is the logical solution for somebody in Biden’s boots (a guy so compromised he has to do what he knows is fucked-up and will be mucho bad for his legacy … expected to watch ethnic cleansing happen and stand down, but pretend otherwise). What an uncomfortable position (even for a psychopath like Biden). Biden is attempting to call the bluff, on the 25% Jewish component of the overall faux-west corporatist globalist billionaire/technocratic-dyad, I suppose, ….. maybe the other 75% faction of this faux-west globalism is waking up to that fact they too are going to get buggered up the ass, in the long run, by the other 25%, … now finally seeing that the actual plan all along, has been for us peons to go first, …. then their exalted privilege too? Potentially dead man walking, for Biden now, then (as the 25% Jewish component of the globalist cabal has shown themselves as the most vicious)? Let’s see.

Two psychopaths both fighting for their own legacy and now in a death match, over that. Mmm? Who is the bigger sacrificial scapegoat here (Netanyahu or Biden), as measured by the faux-west globalist cabal? Maybe we are now gonna see. Maybe that will shed some light on my mild speculations around a hidden esoteric occult angle around the ongoing mystification that is the Netanyahu-survivorship.

Thank you for your heartfelt story, Tiptoe

I won’t discuss the vaccines here on Mr. Unz’ site, out of respect for his wishes. But I wanted to reply with something more than a ‘thanks or agree’ button, and so I am.

God bless.

Just wanted to take this opportunity to wish all the shiksas (especially the White ones) a Happy International Women’s Day!

The fight against fascism and the patriarchy are intertwined.

Both dictate to women the lives they must lead.

On International Women's Day we celebrate the women who fought fascism and continue to fight oppression.#IWD #InternationalWomensDay pic.twitter.com/M1QzUymN7M

— HOPE not hate (@hopenothate) March 8, 2024

Telegram comment posted by Folkish European Paganism:

[Clara Zetkin (left) and Rosa Luxemburg (right) in January 1910]

International Women’s Day was invented by two jewish feminists. Keep in mind.

https://t.me/c/2050147141/68415

There’s a good discussion with the author of that Atlantic article during the second half of this podcast episode:

https://slate.com/podcasts/political-gabfest/2024/03/election-president-joe-biden-polling-donald-trump-general-election-supreme-court-judaism

Foer says China could plausibly be called a settler colonial state like Israel, which is just an astonishing thing to say.

Also, according to him, the situation for Jews, particularly Jews wearing yarmulkes, is very precarious in the San Francisco Bay Area due to Israel’s recent actions. I say Jews who get harassed on the street should get the word out to their representatives and to powerful Jewish figures like Antony Blinken and Haim Saban that they want the U.S. to stop the Israeli slaughter of Palestinians that has caused so much grief for American Jews.

When you get married, you are paying a woman to have sex with her for life.

I would say this is from the mind of a scorned man. Men and women, both, have to sacrifice something of themselves if they want a family. On the front end, the woman bears the brunt, as in my case, quitting a firm/career I worked hard to achieve, to bear and raise children. The raising of children does not end when they are in high school/college, but if you handled the early years well, high school/college is a breeze, and today, my husband works, and I do whatever I want (within reason), after twenty plus years of non-stop (all day, everyday, every night – it does not stop) looking after everyone in my family, including parents/in-laws. That was my job – still is, but it’s much easier now.

No government run by men would ever ban hooking (unless there was a syphilis outbreak and antibiotics didn’t exist).

In point of fact, most governments have been, and still are, run by men. Syphilis has been around for hundreds of years, and I suppose prostitution has been around since modern civilization began, and as disease and prostitution, particularly between different ethnic groups, go hand in hand, it makes sense that prostitution would be banned eventually, as venereal diseases get spread to wives/children/society, with deadly/degenerative consequences. In fact, the males from Europe brought syphilis to the Old World from the New, or that’s the claim, so what were you saying about men keeping things in order?

Men are generally in possession of very high levels of personal discipline, is what I want to impress upon you

When did I say otherwise? Bill Clinton, Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein, P. Diddy, Bill Cosby, the Kennedy boys, predatory men all. Obviously, not all men possess high levels of personal discipline when it comes to sexual matters, and in most of these mentioned cases, the women go along willingly, or they put themselves in dangerous positions. I do not accept the sob stories of most of the Epstein victims, who thought private air travel, lots of cash, booze, great travel destinations, etc., were offered with no expectation of something in return , and anyone with half a brain knows not to get sloshed at a frat party and/or that it’s best to leave a party when it gets late and the “mood” changes…when people start passing substances around and a bunch of “newcomers” just crawl out of the woodwork, it’s time to go.

Also, anyone with half a brain knows the difference between trafficking and prostitution, in general. If a prostitute is under the age of 18, she’s a victim, especially if she was forced/coerced. That said, the age of consent in Mexico is 12, so….this is another example of a clash of civilizations, and why, like syphilis, mixing of races is destructive to the higher culture/race.

Because humans, with a few exceptions, have divorced sexuality from just another biological process, and because, with a few exceptions, we no longer live in roving bands of hunter/gatherers, breeding indiscriminately, we have to manage our sexuality, because if we don’t, everyone suffers. The loosening of sexual boundaries and expectations in modern society is wreaking havoc, i.e. single motherhood, and people without boundaries, responsibilities, morals, etc., often fail to form close, permanent bonds with a partner, and so they just drift…

Jordan Peterson gets flak for his recent capture by Jewry, and I agree, but I was listening to his lectures long before his recent fame/fall…here’s a 3 minute spiel on personal responsibility; it’s worth a listen –

“There were no such thing as Palestinians. When was there an independent Palestinian people with a Palestinian state? It was either southern Syria before the First World War, and then it was a Palestine including Jordan. It was not as though there was a Palestinian people in Palestine considering itself as a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country away from them. They did not exist.”

–Golda Mier (As quoted in Sunday Times (15 June 1969), also in The Washington Post (16 June 1969))

“When were Palestinians born? What was all of this area before the First World War when Britain got the Mandate over Palestine? What was Palestine, then? Palestine was then the area between the Mediterranean and the Iraqian border. Eastern West Bank was Palestine. I am a Palestinian, from 1921 to 1948, I carried a Palestinian passport. There was no such thing in this area as Jews, and Arabs, and Palestinians. There were [only] Jews and Arabs.”

Golda Meir (“Iron Lady of Israeli politics” Thames TV (1970))

“I would say this is from the mind of a scorned man”

Yeah, …. I guess maybe it might be like that for Andrew Anglin (I just don’t know), …. I was married and in my case it wasn’t like that (despite the fact that I was sort of scorned, in the end, hahaha!). It wasn’t like that because the whole sex deal just never ever was even remotely about that … about quid pro quo ….. never ever was (it was about mutual pleasure). Despite it (the sex frequency) very very slowly all going south. …. maybe you could say it all goes south because the woman feels ripped-off (saddled with a guy, that is just fine, I think, that was seen that way [just fine] at the very long beginning, but then this guy didn’t instill enough of the right kind of drama into the relationship I suppose [though there was a lot of drama], … rendering him [to her] as: ‘You feel like a brother to me now and so I don’t want to fuck you anymore’,… pretty much literally). It’s pretty funny actually, when as a man, you are faced with this. At that point, as the man, … you just know, …. what a fucking massive bad joke, this, …. my more disciplined (masculine) temperament made out to be a disadvantage here I suppose (yeah right, … better to throttle the bitch-behavior when one gets it)? … obviously that is fucking dumb and I’m not going to do that for you, unless maybe that particular lady who became my partner wants to play like that a bit in the bedroom, fine (not my thing, but I like my partner to be turned on, so my enjoyment is a bit flexible that way, .. but mostly, in the bedroom, in my experience, women just want to feel masculine presence I would say, … the man takes charge let’s say, and that is enough), … otherwise, no (no throttling gonna happen), ….. very glad to end it too by then, because the whole thing had become a massive joke for years, by then (I am not talking about the sex going south quite a bit, like that is not so huge as long as she is still monogamous with me, … the jerking off never ever was fully replaced by 100% fucking, even when the fucking was gloriously abundant for a long while in the early innings, so it is not the end of the world or anything stupid like that…. I am talking about what that condition was a condition of, ….. and that was this bad joke about misjudgments about my character, …. pretty dumb she wouldn’t actually know this about my character, – only with me for all that time, testing me a whole lot on the regular with quite a bit of hurt-feeling-instigated bitch-mode – eh?. …. and mis-measuring my very very well-measured responses to that, all along), …. and I am not going to remain in a relationship that is a bad joke like that. And once the woman makes up her mind like this, .. she is not changing it back. So there’s that.

“The raising of children does not end when they are in high school/college, but if you handled the early years well, high school/college is a breeze, and today, my husband works, and I do whatever I want (within reason), after twenty plus years of non-stop (all day, everyday, every night – it does not stop) looking after everyone in my family, including parents/in-laws. That was my job – still is, but it’s much easier now.”

OK, …. your general demeanor now makes a whole lot of sense. No wonder you have such a way, with feminine turns of phrases and such, … taking care of everybody, like you do. And you like it, I can tell. Because your influence is indispensable and you know it (as you should).

“Also, anyone with half a brain knows the difference between trafficking and prostitution, in general. If a prostitute is under the age of 18, she’s a victim, especially if she was forced/coerced.”

I think maybe AA meant by his meme: ‘This is Vagina Law’, …. as ‘the Law of the Vagina as felt by every woman, is the law that now one-sidedly prevails in the commons’. When I said, ‘yes I think that is true,’ … I was responding to AA’s implied meaning there. I looked at the photos of the prostitutes that AA provided before weighing-in. Those faces are not under-aged, as far as I can tell by way of photo, yet somehow ‘trafficking’ is involved. I thought, in the case of regular-aged prostitutes, the johns wouldn’t get charged with trafficking (just johning), but the pimps (if there is any involved, there doesn’t have to be, … all psychological, … the only reason for the pimp-gig is because the woman is so fucked-up she cannot do that prostitute gig and hold it straight, on her own … and then he is gonna just take all the money from her, though … kinda crazy) would get the trafficking charge. So I guess those few charged with trafficking were pimps, I guess? Of maybe there are minors involved in a few of the cases, as you suggest is the case, and johns then got charged with trafficking too, then? Could be.

“That said, the age of consent in Mexico is 12”

Yeah, … that is hard to understand. coming from Caucasian culture.

“The loosening of sexual boundaries and expectations in modern society is wreaking havoc, i.e. single motherhood, and people without boundaries, responsibilities, morals, etc., often fail to form close, permanent bonds with a partner, and so they just drift…”

Yes I agree. Some might say what a guy like me does, in the face of these new conditions, as I have described is: ‘Men Going their Own Way’ (checking out). I don’t look at it that way (I still look to it as, the conditions have changed, …. so I have to step up to these new conditions to be relationship-successful, …. and I know I have other priorities right now, .. but I am not giving up on any part of my potential future life, and why should I?). Look …. I think for men outside of actual marriages, …. what I am doing, is clearly probably now the norm (and not what Robert Lindsay, is doing, for instance).

Yes, I had already recently come across that short Jordan Peterson clip myself. Dude knows westernism (as you say … very impressive in this way). Dude is bamboozled on the JQ (as you say). And his message is superb in that clip (and his overall messaging on westernism is very good and well-resonates), …. I try to have my two best friends see it this way, …. we need to collectively do better, which means we each must individually do better, with our singular voices and such, and it is sinful to turn your back on that human responsibility. Men do wan to refuse that, now though. The married men tend to wan to just get along, and the unmarried men tend to be very cynical in that respect, ….’nothing I can do about it’. I do challenge my friends. I expect alot from my friends (thoughtfulness).

The technical glitch I outlined in comment #53, appears now to be repaired. Thank-you.

We were trained in our youth (late 1960’s as a 10 year-old) to view Golda Meir as the most humanitarian person in the world, … and oh so heroic, …. and so special too because she has these traits as a woman, …. and that this special dynamic was possible, most of all because she was Jewish, oh so sweetly Jewish.

You just can’t make this stuff up (too rich!). The Jews write the script themselves! (the Cluster-B-type psycho-pathology of the fem-mode variety).

“There were no such thing as Palestinians. When was there an independent Palestinian people with a Palestinian state?

You’re not demonstrating what you think you’re demonstrating.

But continue. You have my smile of approval.

You have had complicated relationships and have spent an inordinate amount of
time reflecting and analyzing them. I have had three marriages and about five other
“close” relationships and have never felt the need to really understand them in such
depth, indicating that I’m uncaring and avoidant, and you are OCD, or perhaps both.
Sometimes, we just need to heal our bruises and move on without regrets or blame.

I’m quite certain I am demonstrating what I think I am demonstrating!

Here in this article from Ralph Nader, he claims this (among many other atrocities) occurred in Gaza, by IDF action:

https://www.unz.com/item/how-many-gazans-have-already-died-perhaps-200000/

“bulldozed many cemeteries;”

I don’t know any of the details around that. I suppose it it probably true if Ralph Nader is claiming it. Think it through. This is nuts. The people that glorify their dead as ‘God’s chosen eternal victims’, and build tributes to this their claim, all over the world, for which we are expected to grovel at, …. and then they just bulldoze up other people’s cemeteries?

I mean you really can’t get more psycho-cunt than that (cluster-B-type psycho-pathology of the fem-mode variety). The evidence for my group-psychological-claims (preponderance of problematic psychological traits vis-a-vis other groups), and how that affects geopolitical realities, … is just laying all about, everywhere, …. and has been for a long time, …. it doesn’t even really matter if the holocaust is partly true, which I doubt (I tend to agree with Unz’s take), ….. nobody else does what the Jews do, this way, even when they have ‘real’ dead, in ‘real genocides’, that have actually really occurred (because they generally refuse to dishonor their dead, …. bad mojo, … a bad mojo that the Jews laugh at, though).

Well I am still friends with me ex-wife (that marriage relationship ended nearly 20 years ago). I really like her. Because she is very intelligent (and though emotional, like most all women, was never mean). You know, …family, ….for family-sake it is best to get along, for all involved, after a divorce, and she didn’t actually spurn me hard (didn’t decide to just start fucking around behind my back, that I understand, from others, is something that often happens in this dynamic), …. and of course my ex-wife, mainly being a very good person I think (I picked her after all, just as much as she picked me) … saw it exactly the same way, as far as family goes, …. we had a very dear son together, who unfortunately died suddenly at the age of 27, … 6 years ago now, …. who was just a treasure, …. who had developed into just such a well-nuanced-big-hearted person, …. I won’t go into the many many details as to his passing, ….. suffice to say this all happened to him within less than a two month period, …. culminating in a emergency surgery for stage 4 glioblastoma, which was not successful. This crushed my ex-wife (me too). We have a bond that can never be broken, around that.

I don’t hold any ill-will towards my ex-wife at all (probably not even during the divorce, if I recall correctly). The divorce was a breeze. I found a lawyer that advised me, not to fight, go for what case-law has deemed fair (in terms of division of matrimonial property and such), … and once my ex met my lawyer, … she realized this approach was much much better and told her ‘let’s fight’ lawyer to stand down. You know, in many many ways, my ex is a stand-up person and I have no regrets, having her in my life. For all her employment gigs, she has always shown very high levels of loyalty to the hand the feeds. Put that together with her high level of professional competency. I think that combo is very commendable too.

On the OCD thing. Maybe? I got this thing, …. if I really feel I have hurt someone in a way that will do no good (the ‘hurting’ behavior, all ego driven, on my side, let’s say) …. I really do start to feel many regrets, starting just a few minutes after, that just grows and grows and drives me to distraction. Is that OCD? Maybe. I don’t like to feel that way, … so I am quite guarded around: ‘trying hard not to go down that pathway’.

“There were no such thing as Palestinians. When was there an independent Palestinian people with a Palestinian state?

you know your zio-lies used to get more traction before the atrocities in Gaza, that now due to the Internet are getting widely reported

people are starting to find out that you thugs terrorized over 700,000 people- who were living peaceably for centuries in Palestine,

out of their homes, and into the desert, to flee your murderous tribe of racial supremacist lowlifes. Who then stole the homes and farms, and claimed them as their own.

Imagine that.

But no one knew, Meamjew. Now they’re finding out.

Guess what will happen when eight billion people, who’ve been lied to for generations, finally find out who are the real murderous terrorists are in the Middle East, and who have been their victims.

Further to my last reply comment (#73), …. I realize now I should say more. Your comment has now made me realize I haven’t been entirely fair here, as to my ex-wife’s perspective, on all this, ….. and this is so important, all round. The stuff I said about what happened to me and my ex, in comment #66 above, …. I don’t blame my ex-wife for (not really even while it was happening). I probably should have said that, in that comment.

Think it through. Me and my ex were/are people that have aptitude/ability to take on adult responsibility, and were willing on that front, …. in other words, pretty much a normal couple ‘contributing/partaking-of’ the normalized cultural gestalt (westerism, pretty much). And yet what happened to me and my ex, …. is so very common (among similar couples). In my asshole moments I blame Oprah Winfrey (hahaha!), …. a very very bad influence with respect to normalized western monogamous hetro relationships (for a good while there, near the beginning-midterm of our marriage, …. Oprah was crazy around that stuff, back then, and had a huge audience, including my ex, …. and I am not kidding, .. I think there is something to seeing it like Oprah poisoned my ex’s mind).

But even blaming Oprah is a blame-out cop-out. Because it wasn’t/isn’t just Oprah. Oprah was just a reflection of what was already occurring out there, back then, in the culture. Brass tacks: It was all spawned by Jewish bogus but Academic nevertheless, ‘Critical Theory’ (I learned some years later, after the divorce). What I am saying is my ex-wife, someone smart and generally has her head screwed on right, and as such can see that by reason, much of the 2nd wave feminism was pure hogwash, …..still, cannot really put it together how that precise subversion, this 2nd wave Jewish feminism, works, and cannot really see that it is still impinging upon her subconsciously in ways that she is still not really aware. On this 2nd wave Jewish feminism … I am saying ‘Jewish’ here in terms of provenance, … who the scholars were in the Humanities offering this bunk, …. an attribution I am quite sure my ex-wife would not be willing to make, …. to her 2nd wave feminism is bad but definitely not ‘Jewish’, I think, ….. my ex-wife is very pro-Jewish, ….. but ever since covid-vaxxo-weirdness, …. smart cookie her and she works in the medical field, ……. she, I think, has subconsciously seen the writing on the wall and decided to no longer take any interest whatsoever on geopolitical matters, any more, ….. my ex was a political animal at one time, …. very conservative politically, and even co-ran-campaign-management for a winning MLA’s (member of our provincial legislature’s, campaigns), … so just to decide to go ‘no-go-politico’, …. well there is a subconscious unstated reason, I think (I don’t think she would even disagree that there is a subconscious unstated reason, but she doesn’t want to talk about it, and of course I respect that.)

There are may avenues towards undoing all this cultural subversion. Discussion around the western normative man/woman dynamic, and what has since happened to it, … is one of many such avenues (and that is why I am bringing it up here).

The people that glorify their dead as ‘God’s chosen eternal victims’, and build tributes to this their claim, all over the world, for which we are expected to grovel at, …. and then they just bulldoze up other people’s cemeteries?’

This isn’t new. To commemorate the Holocaust, Yad Vashem built a ‘Museum of Tolerance.’

They insisted on using a Muslim cemetery as the site — bulldozed the graves.

It’s one thing that makes me a little skeptical when we learn that the site of Treblinka mustn’t be excavated — the final resting places of all those Jews would be sacrosanct.

Both architecture and clothing very nice.

Do you have info about buildings?

I tried search under Ahmad Mrowat came up with very little.

5ds

if you do an image search for ‘1920s Palestine’, the picture of the Palestinian women having coffee will pop up periodically.

The image of the Hotel in Jerusalem is from an image search of ‘1930s Palestine’.

Thinking this through a bit, … I might be a person that easily feels empathy, I suppose, …. and the shocking thing for me, on the cluster-b-type psycho-pathology of the fem-mode, …. is that there is no register of this empathy for these types (well there is sometimes in small measure, but it isn’t something that haunts them, let’s say, … if it occurs it passes very quickly), …. and so confusion abounds (on both sides of this equation, actually), …. and maybe people less empathic will not look at it this way (won’t be as shocked as I am).

Mmmmm. Gotta think about this some more. Jewish tendency towards less empathy? Doesn’t really make sense. Jewish people obviously have outsized tender feelings (of the genuine kind I think), … I guess just selectively, I suppose. What is this weird Jewish ‘same-self’ or ‘self-same’, then, if not straight-up cluster-b-type psycho-pathology of the fem-mode? What’s the twist? Does the Jewish collective tend to believe that they are lost in a vast sea of the unknown amidst the infinity of the unknowable (provisioning them with the tools to impose ’empathy’ upon their own psyches), but as a Jewish collective experience though (instead of a human collective experience), and then hidden within an esoteric occultism, … rendering goys sub-human then, …. congenitally unable to appreciate this deep Jewish (but hidden/esoteric/occult) gestalt? Well, that would be preposterous (because goys already think in those terms long before Jews, it seems, ….. Greek Stoics and such, ….without the need/crutch of any occultism).

It’s like there is some deep underlying ideological war being conducted right now, or something, that I can’t really make-out very clearly. I know what westernism is, but what the heck is westernism fighting exactly? (Akin to asking the question … ‘what is this contrary spirit, exactly as carried by ‘Jewdom/JQ/Israel/the-Judaic’?).

There is going to be an occult angle. I just know it. But I still can’t see.

Gab comment posted by Mark Taylor:

Years ago I came across this anonymous comment in response to someone saying they didn’t care about race they cared about immigrants adopting American values. It was so good I saved it and I’m reposting it now.

“Multiculturalism isn’t gonna work just because you do it legally. Look at South Africa.

And when you say “become American”, what you really mean – even if you don’t realize it – is that you want them to act like white people. You want them to be orderly, respect the law, dress a certain way, prioritize family and education, and have disagreements without pulling out a weapon.

But those “American” values didn’t really exist among the natives before we got here. And they don’t exist among the countries where we get most of our (non-white) immigrants from, exceptional inviduals notwithstanding. And they didn’t just fall out of the sky and land on America either. Those values were characteristic of America, because WHITES were characteristic of America, and they were white values going back millennia.
What you really value is white culture. But you’re not gonna have that without white people, just like you’re not gonna have a flower without its roots. If you care about your culture, then you need to start caring about your race.”

Here’s one for Jack to enjoy.

🚨Harrowing scenes document the moment Israeli soldiers execute elderly civilian inside a home west of #Gaza City. pic.twitter.com/jZCv0v1nN8

— Nour Naim| نُور (@NourNaim88) March 8, 2024

Mighty warriors of Yahweh execute 73 year-old man at point-black range. Live footage!

Are you Canadian? I’m in Alberta. It seems like in Alberta, it is not uncommon to find people that think the official 9/11 narrative is wrong and that the perps may have included Mossad. Then these same people won’t go on to see the massive Jewish influence that is otherwise quite pervasive (so much more than 9/11, then), or if they do start to cotton on to that, will turn rather cynical and say, …. that’s just the way it is, human nature, ….. I guess sort of implying that: to those both eager and intelligent goes the spoils.

Weird. People are willing to accept that the official 9/11 narrative may be a hoax, but then are also willing to isolate that finding in their minds (I suppose sort of like people accept that the CIA has to do what they do, and that the U.S., must have a big military). This is quite the trick. How does Mossad get that same tolerance-attribution in a whole lot of western people’s minds, sort of unspoken-like (of course they won’t say nice things about Mossad, …. but tolerate it just fine, like the do the CIA/American Military Complex) and why do these people then not immediately get freaked that their ‘CIA/American Military Complex’ are therefore implicated, …. with the shots on own goal, type-thing?

Generally, especially since October 7th, I absolutely do find regular people to be quite schizophrenic (willing to hold many contrary beliefs for long periods of time), …. so much water under the bridge since 9/11, …. all this false-narrative promulgation of many stripes, just escalating and escalating in frequency, since then. Bright people like my ex-wife cannot bear the culturally-demanded level of schizophrenic mental-ordering, … and eventually turtle (many, many like that too …. just refuse to watch any news, even alternative news).

What do you think can be done? Personally, …. I think if someone important, linked-up the common thread among all the false-narrative promulgation of many stripes, …. it might work. I guess we are kinda dumb and we need a bright and colorful moving picture, to get it. I believe examination of the Frankfurt School is key, in that vein. I believe that deep topic would be a valuable addition to Ron Unz’s American Pravda series.

You forget that most of the Arab countries expelled all their Jewish populations, who thenmigrated to the new Israel.

I have had some interesting convos over the years as to the idea that hybrid vigor is probably something necessary for the ongoing invigoration of each ethnicity that is in a sense in competition/collaboration with the others, … and that each such ethnic grouping probably has a different ‘ideal’ rate of said hybridization operation, (as we know from our long history of plant and animal breeding methods for fixing favorable phenotypes).

But it is probable that that rate has been well-exceeded for all the ethnic groups involved in a place like Canada, and the U.S. So who knows what is going to emerge? Do you think it appropriate that North America not be the place this all happens in a big way though? If it has to happen somewhere, better here than in Europe, … the home of the root ethnicities. That’s my view. But we at least have to try to pick people that might get it (westernism), instead of the free for all in America (probably in Canada by now, too). I say that because the expectation would be that these such people could then eventually bring back westernism to their home countries (because you can’t force it on nations, … that’s not westernism then). This can happen.

‘…What do you think can be done? Personally, …. I think if someone important, linked-up the common thread among all the false-narrative promulgation of many stripes, …. it might work…

Part of the problem is that people ‘important, high up’ work to keep anyone from picking up on that common thread — or at least coming out with it.

Sometimes I’m pretty sure Tucker Carlson has picked it up — but he’s got more sense than to come out with it. A reference to ‘the Democratic donor class,’ an obstinate refusal to praise Israel — that’s about as far as he dares to go.

…and if he did go farther, that would be the last we’d see of him. Maybe he could post here…

You forget that most of the Arab countries expelled all their Jewish populations, who thenmigrated to the new Israel.

Please. Not those lies again. Want to go through it? Morocco, Egypt, Iraq, Yemen, Tunisia, Algeria…

Do you think it appropriate that North America not be the place this all happens in a big way though?

Given that Jewish Supremacist Organizations saw fit to push for legislation in America (1965) and in Canada (1967) that would open the floodgates to mass immigration so as to protect themselves from the inevitable backlash that inevitably follows soon after they capture all the levers of power, I outright reject their efforts to destroy our homelands.

And given the bleak future that awaits our progeny, I will do everything in my power to restore the sovereignty of our European and European-derived homelands.

If you think I’m exaggerating, see how things have unfolded in South Africa.

From Ilan Pappe:

"I think it would be written as the beginning of the end of the Zionist project. And people who are good historians who would remind the readers that the beginning of an end of projects such as Zionism is the most dangerous chapter in the history of a place".

—Illan Pappé pic.twitter.com/fPjMLzXSWW

— Ἀκολούθει τὸ φῶς (@5hekena) March 7, 2024

Federal Reserve employee accused of driving Morrison Planetarium architect to suicide

ObURL: https://salanave-runyon.org/herbie.html

Truth is stranger than fiction

Meh. ‘This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. It may, perhaps, be the end of the beginning.’

Going by the example of South Africa, and allowing for all the evasions, pretended compromises, and so on, I give the Zionist entity a good twenty more years.

But hey: throw it in my face when I’m wrong. That’ll be okay as well.

Going by the example of South Africa, and allowing for all the evasions, pretended compromises, and so on, I give the Zionist entity a good twenty more years.

Yeah. One generation, little more, at most.

Safe to say we’re well on our way.

Israel’s manpower crisis worsens as wave of resignations hits army

The Israeli military has not responded to requests for comment.

The resignations come as significant tension has overtaken Israel’s military establishment.

Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant has been calling for an end to draft exemptions for Israel’s ultra-Orthodox community, citing a severe manpower crisis in the army. Gallant said he would only support legislation to settle the issue if certain members of the ruling coalition backed it.

“The army is in need of manpower now. It’s not a matter of politics, it’s a matter of mathematics,” the defense minister said on Sunday.

https://thecradle.co/articles/israels-manpower-crisis-worsens-as-wave-of-resignations-hits-army

…However…

Mass exodus threatened by Chief Rabbi if Haredim are forced into military service

The Chief Rabbi’s stern message did not stop at criticisms but extended to a direct threat of collective action. “We will buy tickets; there is no such thing as forcing us into the army. The state stands on this,” he asserted, implying a profound and widespread willingness among the Haredim to relocate rather than compromise on their religious convictions.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-791086

This is the largest constituency of Jews in Israel.

Something’s gotta give.

I started to answer you this morning but was diverted by a tub faucet diverter.
More water was not being diverted to the shower than was, and my wife was
fed up with my procrastination. Now she’s happy, at least until tomorrow.

Obsessions are common but most are temporary unwanted thoughts that keep
recurring for a day or two and then fade away. A common obsession concerns
an ex-wife’s behavior, usually her sexual activity. Sexual jealousy is likely hard-
wired in everyone, although I remember a guy who solicited dates for his ex
in hopes of reducing his alimony and child support.

If an obsession with an ex wife caused a man to drive by her house 10 times a
night, that would turn an obsession into an obsessive-compulsive disorder,
since he has now acted on his obsession and cannot stop the behavior.

As you might guess some people deal with the breakup trauma by compulsive
gambling, drug or alcohol use. Many work longer hours to distract themselves,
but at some point most look for a new relationship.
When I was a state social worker there was a cruel joke that the only love
relationship that was guaranteed to last was one of unrequited love.

No, …. none of that, at all (sexual jealousy or over-concern) …. she would say I still remain steadfastly unconcerned, even as a friend, as per the usual, .. hahahaha! We don’t see each other much. I help her out a tiny bit sometimes. She does little things for me too. I do care about her though, …. all purely platonic. I care about her just because I like her, I guess, and did come to know her very well, … so it’s hard to put that behind you, even though it is purely platonic, and I’m not sure why I would even want to, … I think it is good to care at least a bit, about people you know.

Sorry, I wasn’t referring to you with the sexual jealousy mention.
It is a fact that obsessions frequently involve ex spouses and that’s
a good part of my experience. I suppose the reason for this is the
intensity of the marital bond, which cannot be broken without
a profound sense of loss and emptiness.

“but at some point most look for a new relationship.”

I should say, we both did that (and that’s a long time ago now). In the end, we both dropped that too. Really, … she is just my friend (and ‘just’ is the wrong word, … it is a very good thing to be my friend, I think) and she sees it the same way (very good thing to be her platonic friend). What I give, and what she gives, are different. And that is fine.

Truth be told, … I want her to be happy. I hope she can find romantic (if that’s the right word?) happiness again. She seems pretty jaded, to that, though.

Sam Parker does an excellent job documenting all the blessings bestowed on the dumb goyim by HaShem’s chosen people (be sure to read all 30 posts in this thread)…

🧵1/ "'House of horrors' rabbi takes cushy deal after pleading guilty to enslaving 30 women" pic.twitter.com/u1CqXHUFOz

— Sam Parker 🇺🇲 (@SamParkerSenate) February 23, 2024

⚡️The Red Heifer sacrifice ✡️
⚡️Third Temple 🕍
⚡️Destruction of the Al-Aqsa compound 🔥🕌

Comment your thoughts below. pic.twitter.com/dDkh7SNH7e

— Propaganda and co (@propandco) March 9, 2024

Seems to be just more gaslighting, a staged ‘hot mic’ comment made to appear as if Biden is actually at odds with Netanyahu while he’s literally surrounded by cameras.

I mean, after everything we’ve seen, who’s left to trust here?

Knowwhadamean, wink, wink? 😉

🇮🇱🇺🇸HOT MIC: BIDEN TOLD NETANYAHU IT'S TIME TO COME TO JESUS

BIDEN: "I told him, Bibi — don't repeat this — you and I are going to have a Come to Jesus meeting."

HANDLER: "Sir, you're on a hot mic."

Source: C-SPAN pic.twitter.com/hLCddhkwbI

— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) March 8, 2024

“Mass exodus threatened by Chief Rabbi if Haredim are forced into military service”

Buh bye. They contribute nothing to the state anyway, so no big loss. But where will they go? Who will have them?

Recently, Kevin Barrett asked ‘Why Are Arab Regimes So Impotent in the Face of Zionist Barbarism?’

This short segment provides part of the answer.

My interview with investigative journalist Anthony Loewenstein, author of “The Palestine Laboratory: How Israel Exports the Technology of Occupation.”

This sh*t is coming for us all…

YouTube link in Bio if interested. Cheers! pic.twitter.com/Emb7jxu1cK

— Greg J Stoker (@gregjstoker) March 10, 2024

Anthony Loewenstein lives in Sydney and I chatted with him in one of those pro-Julian Assange rallies staged last year.

He’s a good bloke, a Jew with a conscience that has done much to expose the human rights abuses and murderous antics of the Apartheid Israeli state over many years.

Ron,

I am not sure how to move subthreads over to this new Open Thread, so I am just posting here my response to a comment by Mark G. (see here).
———
Mark G. wrote to me:

No matter how much of a Jew hater you are, there is almost always someone else here in the Unz comment section who is even a bigger Jew hater than you are.

Yeah, it’s weird.

I have been very critical of Jews who are part of the “Israel Lobby” simply because they are damaging the United States, not to mention what they are doing to the Palestinians. And I am harshly critical of Judaism because the Old Testament really is a seminal source for killing people because they hold the wrong religious beliefs.

And yet our little Fed Truth Vigilante thinks he can make points with most of the posters here by claiming, falsely, that I am a Jew, just because I reject nonsense such as that the Twin Towers’ collapse was caused by a nuclear explosion.

And, weirdest of all, he thinks he can score points by accusing me of being “a serial offender in falsifying data” *(see here), even though he knows everyone will know that is a lie.: he of course offers no evidence at all for that lie, and anyone who looks at my thesis can see that I was not reporting my own data but rather comparing data gathered by others to theoretical predictions.

So I think the key question is: why does Truth Vigilante do it?

The answer seems pretty obvious: the 911 attacks occurred as blowback as a result of disastrous US government policies pursued in the Mideast. Anyone who faces the truth about 911 — that this was a Muslim terrorist attack in response to US actions in the Mideast — has to think about those US actions.

But, if we pretend that the Twin Towers came down for some other reason than a a retaliatory attack by Muslims, that distracts attention from the real issue of US Mideast policy.

And that is clearly what Truth Vigilante and the whole 911 Truther movement is doing.

They are serving the interest of the US Deep State.

Was the 911 Truther movement created by the Deep State? Is it funded by the Deep State?

Hard to say.

Are a number of the members of the 911 Truther movement in fact knowing, active assets of the Deep State?

Well, this would be the first time in over a half century that the Deep State did not have assets within fringe dissident groups!

And given how effectively the 911 Truther movement deflects attention from the real cause of the 911 attacks — US policy in the Mideast — it is hard to see how any sensible person could deny Deep State involvement.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…

Mark G. also wrote:

You pretty much have to turn yourself into an admirer of Hitler to escape their wrath.

I assume that you saw that in response to that comment, Truth Vigilante wrote (see here):

But in RELATIVE TERMS, Hitler was BY FAR the standout world statesman of the 20th century.

So Truth Vigilante is indeed claiming openly to be a Hitler-lover.

Again, why would he do this?

Even if this is in fact Truth Vigilante’s true belief, this is hardly an effective means to convince ordinary people of his decency, honesty, or good will!

What does this achieve?

Only to cause ordinary people to be alienated from critics of the US Deep State, because such critics seem to be, quite literally, announcing that they are admirers of Hitler!

Is Truth Vigilante so delusional that he does not realize this, or is he doing it on purpose?

Hard to say.

What is not hard to say is that this most assuredly serves the interest of the Deep State.

My old friend Murray Rothbard was involved in the antiwar movement back in the 1960s, and he got to know a fellow whom he referred to as “Comrade Carlos” who behaved very much as our own Truth Vigilante behaves. As Murray says (see here, pp. 199-200 (or pp. 224-225 in the pdf numeration)):

And, oh yes, I heard later that Comrade Carlos had turned out to be a police agent

Yep, the spitting image of our own Truth Vigilante.

muh muh quoted Ilan Pappé.

It should be noted that Pappé is an Israeli Jewish historian and author of numerous books on the situation in Occupied Palestine, most notably the brief Ten Myths About Israel, which is well worth reading.

He is also an example of the fact that numerous Jews have been and are harsh critics of the crimes carried out by the Zionists.

It is not true that Zionism equals Jewishness.

Dave Miller in Sacramento

‘…And given how effectively the 911 Truther movement deflects attention from the real cause of the 911 attacks — US policy in the Mideast — it is hard to see how any sensible person could deny Deep State involvement.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…’

Well, mere stupidity can also explain things — the improbable belief or action is not in and of itself evidence of a deep-laid plot.

Take, say, Wilhelmine Germany’s decision to build a high seas fleet and challenge the British. It was incredibly foolish, and directly counter to Germany’s material interests.

Does it follow that British or French double agents must have somehow bamboozled the poor Germans into building it? The building of the fleet certainly served France’s interests.

So certainly the more radical forms of 9-11 trutherism serve Israel’s interests. It doesn’t follow that she has to do anything to encourage them. In fact any novel catastrophe will provoke radical explanations: Pearl Harbor, the 1944 German Ardennes offensive, Kennedy’s assassination, AIDS, the death of Princess Diana, the 2000 election, 9-11, the 2016 election, the Corona Virus, the 2020 election…

I subscribe at least partially to some of the resulting theories — but the point is that they will always appear. One no more needs to deliberately foster them than one has to sow weed seeds in the back yard.

They will come — all by themselves. With something like 9-11, they were inevitable. It’d have been weird if they hadn’t sprung up.

We used to just file unexpected or catastrophic events under ‘God,’ apologize and ask Him nicely not to do it again, pick up the pieces, and get on with life. Now we invent the conspiracy theory. No one has to help us, either. We’re good at it.

Who would have any of you? Hitler first tried to
export Jews but there were no takers. Ever hear
of a product without a market?

Colin Wright wrote to me:

Well, mere stupidity can also explain things — the improbable belief or action is not in and of itself evidence of a deep-laid plot.

My point is that the US Deep State has a very, very long and well-documented record of establishing assets within dissident movements, going back to COINTELPRO in the 1960s and as recently as the goofy Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot.

Pretty much as certain as death and taxes.

It is therefore certain beyond any reasonable doubt that the Deep State has some assets within the 911 Truther movement.

The only serious question is: who are the Federal assets in the 911 Truther movement? Truth Vigilante? Rurik? Gaffney?

In the case of Truth Vigilante, the tell-tale is his claiming that I have been”a serial offender in falsifying data” *(see here): he does not even pretend to have any evidence at all of this, and he could not have any evidence, since anyone can see that my Ph.D. thesis does not report on any experimental data that I took but merely compares other people’s data to theoretical predictions.

Truth Vigilante knows he is lying about this.

This cannot be explained by, as you say, “mere stupidity”: it is intentional, conscious lying.

The only question is: what is Truth Vigilante’s motive?

The only plausible motive I can think of is that Truth Vigilante wants to smear any movement that dissents from the mainstream narrative by hurling out obvious lies.

Is there any other plausible motive? Why else would he openly, knowingly, and brazenly lie in a way that any sane person can see is a lie?

Does this prove that Truth Vigilante is a paid Federal asset? Well, that is certainly a plausible conclusion — as I pointed out above, all historical experience indicates that there are indeed Federal assets within the 911 Truther movement.

But, paid or not, it does prove that Truth Vigilante is serving the purpose of the US Deep State.

For all practical purposes, Truth Vigilante is indeed a Fed, whether paid or not.

It serves the interests of the US Deep State to distract dissidents with nonsense like this so that they ignore the elephant in the living room: the fact that the 911 tragedies were in fact brought about by Muslim terrorists as “blowback” against longstanding US policy in the Mideast.

That is what the 911 Truther movement is doing. And Truth Vigilante is a maestro at this.

This is a critical goal for the US Deep State.

There really is no serious doubt about this.

An you’ll see, Truth Vigilante will not try to seriously refute these points: he will just, once again, insist that I am a Jew, as if that somehow disproves what he himself is proven to have done.

And, bizarrely, some of his dupes — his “useful idiots” — will swallow this.

You gotta admit: this is certainly entertaining! Get some popcorn and enjoy the show!

Dave Miller in Sacramento

‘There were tense scenes outside a New Jersey synagogue on Sunday where several hundred pro-Palestinian supporters assembled to demonstrate their outrage over a real estate event showcasing land and properties for purchase in Israel and the occupied West Bank.

Several dozen pro-Israel supporters from the local Teaneck community stood outside the synagogue and taunted and heckled the travelling pro-Palestine rally, resulting in several scuffles, at times forcing police intervention. ‘

I suppose it wouldn’t be quite as bad as Nazis selling soap made from Jewish fat.

Have to ask JackD.

Colon Wrong writes:

So certainly the more radical forms of 9-11 trutherism serve Israel’s interests.

But Mr Wrong, how the f*ck do you know what constitutes ‘radical trutherism’ and what constitutes ‘plausible trutherism’.
In the tens of thousands of comments related to 9/11 in UR threads over recent years, your input (assuming there was any), was negligible at best.
Admittedly, the comments section of the UR threads is not the be-all and end-all of 9/11 research, but your juvenile remarks on the 9/11 False Flag have emphatically demonstrated that you’ve done NEXT TO NO OBJECTIVE RESEARCH on this heinous crime.
And, to the extent that you know ‘something’, it is what you’ve absorbed from the propaganda peddled by the corrupt ZOG owned MSM.

SUMMARY: The 9/11 False Flag was a NO EXPENSE SPARED extremely elaborate operation that deliberately left a ‘trail of evidence’ that implicated non guilty parties (like the Saudis, Pakistan’s ISI to name just two).

It deliberately used never before used technology in both the electronic commandeering of the four aircraft alleged to have crashed that day and in the demolition of the WTC towers.
Those peddling misdirection like Fizzy-cyst Dovid about Oscar’s Razor or Occam’s Shaver, do so on purpose – because they were instructed to do so by their handlers.
Because, by peddling the line of KISS (Keep it Simple Stupid), Fizzy Dov is implying that no entity would arrange an operation with added complexity when it could’ve applied a myriad of other, far simpler processes to achieve a similar result.

But one should never lose sight of the fact that the ZOG perpetrators of this False Flag are not garden variety criminals with finite budgets and finite capabilities. They can finance any operation they can dream up with the printing press (ie: ownership/control of the U.S Federal Reserve and the other major western central banks),.
They have at their disposal the full gamut of military and technological capabilities in the arsenal of the Anglo Zionist empire.
And on that fateful day they used it.

In the case of Truth Vigilante, the tell-tale is his claiming that I have been”a serial offender in falsifying data”

This is the third or fourth time Fizzy-cyst Dovid has whined about the exposure of his less-than-illustrious tenure at Sanford and Son university.
UR readers, I ask you this, if the allegations had no merit, of course Fizzy Dov would ignore them and not make an issue out of it.

But it really gets under his skin. The fact that he could be exposed as an academic fraud has entailed many a sleepless night.
Now readers, let me put things in context. You’ve all observed how Fizzy Dov has stooped to the most egregious of lies in trying to defend the USG/NIST version of how the WTC towers collapsed on 9/11.
He had not hesitation in twisting and contorting the Newtonian Laws of Motion to make them say something they clearly don’t.

Readers, do you really think such a conscience-free individual would not resort to scientific fraud?
I wouldn’t put anything past this low life. He is capable of anything.

Meanwhile, I posted this in Open thread # 8 but, for those of you that missed it, here it goes again. (Picture Dovid Miller singing along to this, his favourite song. It explains what motive he had for posting the distortions and disinformation that he has in the UR threads):

Our self-admitted Hitler-lover (see here) Truth Vigilante wrote to me on the previous open thread (see here):

I suggest you watch this 3 min video titled: ‘I want to be in the Illuminati’, and imagine Fizzy-cyst Dovid singing in place of this bloke:

Yes, yes, I do urge everyone to watch the video — it is quite funny and very well done — and keep in mind that Dom Frisby is a comedian: the whole point of the video is that Frisby is making fun of conspiracy nuts such as Truth Vigilante.

There are many giveaways in the video that it is actually, very funny, satire aimed at fellas like Truth Vigilante: for example, the line:

It is rumoured they are aliens
Some form of reptile.

But, in my opinion, the funniest line was:

I want to be in the same gang as Beyoncé

I mean, she is really not all that talented: how else to explain her success… except that we Illuminati have pushed her to the heights?

Dom Frisby is, like me, an anarcho-captialist (see here), and he loves the crazy fringies like Truth Vigilante just as much as I do.

Every movement needs its balladeers: the Old Left had Woody Guthrie, the ’60s antiwar movement had Dylan and Baez… and we libertarian anarchists have the great Dominic Frisby!

Our little Hitler-lover ended his comment by saying:

That video encapsulates everything you need to know about this repugnant individual called Dovid Miller.

Yes, yes, you bet — Dom Frisby is me!

I mean, he’s not literally me, of course, but we are, like, soul brothers!

Or am I really Dom Frisby — how would you know? And is the video really satire or is that just protective cover we Illuminati are using to throw all you bloodhounds off the scent? Is Dominic Frisby really a member of the Illuminati?

And, by the way, this Friday — the Ides of March — we Illuminati are having a little get-together to immanentize the Eschaton. It will be a day that will go down in history: they will say, “It was the day they immanentized the Eschaton!”*

Anybody here want an invite? Should be a bigger blast than any rave you’ve ever been to!

And we’re planning on sacrificing a ref heifer!

Your favorite neighborhood Illuminatus,

Dave Miller in Sacramento

Colin Wright wrote:

‘There were tense scenes outside a New Jersey synagogue on Sunday where several hundred pro-Palestinian supporters assembled to demonstrate their outrage over a real estate event showcasing land and properties for purchase in Israel and the occupied West Bank.

I hear that property in the North of Israel, across the border from Hezbollah, is going for pennies on the dollar (or should we say agorots on the sheqel?).

Might be a good speculative investment.

Fizzy-cyst Dovid, still posting falsehoods, writes:

Dom Frisby is, like me, an anarcho-captialist

Dom Frisby is nothing like you Dovid Miller. You’re a pretend AnCap and fake Libertarian.
Frisby was a little over the top in that video in mentioning the ‘shape shifting reptilians’ and such, but he included that on purpose.
He does so to provide ‘cover’ – in case someone suggests that the video was all about exposing the crimes of ZOG.

But the reality is that Frisby is one very clued-in individual. He knows that ZOG controls the entirety of the western financial system, he knows that Bill Gates is up to no good and that the ZOG hierarchy do indeed have a depopulation agenda.
Yes Dovid, that same ZOG that you’re on record as saying you dispute their very existence.

SUMMARY: Make no mistake, Frisby is indeed exposing the crimes of ZOG and simultaneously having a laugh at the slavish minions of ZOG like you Dovid.
Of this there is no doubt.

Meanwhile, for the benefit of other UR readers that get all their information from ZOG affiliated sources and/or the ‘Enclave of Imbecility’ (aka the Steve Sailer threads), and thus know next to nothing about anything, the video below from Dominic Frisby is even better than the one above.
It’s the video he made in the immediate aftermath of Brexit eight years ago, where 17 million Britons voted to exit the ZOG controlled E.U.
Enjoy:

Sanford and Son university.

Now, that’s funny. I’m stealing this one.

I think the tell, of which there are actually many, is Building 7. And, of course the admission by Larry Silvertongue – “Pull it!” And, “My wife made an appointment with a doctor for me, unknown to me, until that very morning, and both my spawn, Thanks be to Moloch, were running late that very morning!”

So, America/media- finds a passport, which survived the blast/implosion/whatever, whilst nearly nothing else remained intact; determines the identities/guilt of the perpetrators within hours; reports the fall of building 7, before it falls; a street “witness” notices the plane was a “United” issue from the ground; there is no significant debris at the Pentagon, nor the Shanksville, crash sites – “Aircraft debris from United Airlines Flight 93 was likewise found in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. Wallace Miller, the former coroner for Somerset County, where Shanksville is located, has said that only 8% of the human remains were ever recovered because the plane exploded when it crashed at 570 miles per hour.
“Everything vaporized on impact,” Miller said” – whilst someone else said, “There was nothing there – it was just a hole/scar in the dirt” – the dancing Israelis, dressed as Arabs, were turned loose; the family of Osama Bin Laden, in America, were permitted to leave America; the rubble at Ground Zero was shipped off, immediately, without inspection/analysis, to China (or who knows where, really?)…..what else? Yes, nothing suspicious with the official story.

Zion = (Hebrew: צִיּוֹן Ṣīyyōn, LXX Σιών, also variously transliterated Sion,[1] Tzion, Tsion, Tsiyyon)[2] is a placename in the Hebrew Bible, often used as a synonym for Jerusalem[3][4] as well as for the Land of Israel as a whole.

The term Tzion came to designate the area of Davidic Jerusalem where the Jebusite fortress stood, and was used as well as synecdoche for the entire city of Jerusalem; and later, when Solomon’s Temple was built on the adjacent Mount Moriah (which, as a result, came to be known as the Temple Mount), the meanings of the term Tzion were further extended by synecdoche to the additional meanings of the Temple itself, the hill upon which the Temple stood, the entire city of Jerusalem, the entire biblical Land of Israel, and “the World to Come”, the Jewish understanding of the afterlife. [Wikipedia]

If Zion/Zionism is not Jewish, what else is it? I don’t believe in Santa Claus, but Santa Claus/Christmas is Christian/European, nonetheless.

Well, I take issue with the mention of Diane Abbott, in his little ditty about English Fuck Offs, as she is leading the world in the reemergence of indigenous maths, and none too soon, as Eurocentric bridges and multi-level buildings are really just for White people to meet their ridiculous standards. I wonder if Air Traffic controllers need to be good at maths? Or, just good, in general?

‘…It is not true that Zionism equals Jewishness.’

It’s close to being equal. Jews have a decided taste for iconoclasm (or subversion), so of course a few Jews are going to oppose Zionism. ‘Two Jews, three opinions,’ as they say. You could drum up a constituency for banning electric lighting among Jews. Just point out to them that most Jews are for it.

That’s the way they are.

However, in my experience, most Jews support Israel — albeit often reluctantly. Bernie Sanders is pretty typical of the Left end of the spread: ‘why can’t Israel be nice.’

But there should be an Israel — that’s the story with 90% of all Jews. And if you think there should be an Israel, you’re a Zionist.

‘I hear that property in the North of Israel, across the border from Hezbollah, is going for pennies on the dollar (or should we say agorots on the sheqel?).

Might be a good speculative investment.’

If I did invest, would it be more appropriate to deed it to Hezbollah or Hamas?

It’s a poser.

I have actually seen some of it. I visited Lebanon and travelled down to the border, where there is a large wall which however does not stop missiles etc. From a height it was possible to see countryside, but no human being or Zionist was visible. A Lebanese said to me that down there was Jalil. I did not immediately understand that what he meant was what we call Galilee in English.

Too much money for aging America.

That's the most Ben Shapiro quote I've ever heard. https://t.co/7lWOJMA5ZP

— Cody (@AltHistCody) March 12, 2024

This sort of thing is written by people who have never had to physically work for a living.

I bought the thing about raising the retirement age — until I read an article about a guy who made his living changing truck tires. Ever seen someone take a truck tire off a rim? It’s fine for fit twenty-forty somethings — not necessarily feasible on a forty-hour-a-week basis if you’re sixty-something.

Dude needed his Social Security — and I can relate. Every now and then I do something that really wears me out — and I realize that thirty years ago, I wouldn’t have even thought of it as hard work. My wife is impressed by how strong I still am; I’m not.

So let’s face facts. Not all people wisely save for retirement, or follow some career path that has them sitting behind a desk by the time they enter their golden years. Ben Shapiro may not need his Social Security by the time he’s sixty five — but others will.

Foer was born in 1974 in Washington, D.C. to a Jewish family.[2][3] He is the son of Albert Foer, a lawyer, and Esther Safran Foer, the child of Holocaust survivors from Poland. He is the elder brother of novelist Jonathan Safran Foer and freelance journalist Joshua Foer.[4]

There is pretty much nothing worse than listening to a jew, recount the history of the jews, the oppression of the jews, the importance of the jews, etc. Seriously, when some of these jews decide to go “full-jew” about jewish matters, you get the most absurd take in history. i.e. it almost always ends with lampshades and bars of soap.

You know what would be an interesting task for some AI system? “AI, show me everything the jews have ever said about the jews”

Why? Because it would break the goddamned thing! It would blow it’s circuits trying to compile everything ever, especially while it’s STILL being churned out at a record pace.

I say Jews who get harassed on the street should get the word out to their representatives and to powerful Jewish figures like Antony Blinken and Haim Saban that they want the U.S. to stop the Israeli slaughter of Palestinians that has caused so much grief for American Jews.

Ha ha, yeah, that would make some heads explode! That kind of logic would have the average 135 IQ Ashkenazi scratching his head in dismay! “Oy vey, what’s this crazy goyim thinking, ‘eh?”

When you get married, you are paying a woman to have sex with her for life.

Sounds like something a “never been married” man would say… Sure, you’ll screw like bunnies for the first few years, if you’re lucky, but then it slows down, and at first it will bother you, and then later, you won’t care that much about it either.

Marriage can be a great blessing, obviously, and one of those “Blessings” can be that you, the man, eventually stops thinking like a 14 year old horny toad, and learn that there is actually more to life than screwing 24/7.

That said, enjoy it while you can, because later in life, you’ll stop even remembering why it was the only thing you thought about for the first 30-something years of your life.

That’s when you finally start to “get wise” about the real ways of the world.

Angry rat-brain Shapiro should be retired away from America.

He is a fool given, not earned, what he has.

Retirement age should be 50.

Wall St, Koch Bros, ilk, can pay into SS all they have stolen.

5ds

This sort of thing is written by people who have never had to physically work for a living.

Cut Ben some slack. He’s looking for solutions to help Israel’s ailing economy and the cash cow’s running dry.

Less social security for us means more for the ol’ light unto.

‘Cut Ben some slack. He’s looking for solutions to help Israel’s ailing economy and the cash cow’s running dry.’

Be fair. I’m sure he’s just a glib asshole.

Sure. He can keep working until his brain starts rotting. It never occurs to him that there are all these dumb, inarticulate schmucks out there for whom that does not apply. How confident is he that he’ll still be able to slug two sacks of concrete at a time up a flight of steps on a hot afternoon?

Social Security’s a misconceived mess: but for everyone over 6’0″ to say ‘let’s just fill the pool until it’s five and half feet deep instead!’ doesn’t strike me as a very equitable solution.

I have seen this sort of ‘solution’ in action. In Chile, there was some poor old bastard playing a guitar outside a restaurant for tips. This works — if you’re not the poor old bastard.

Society shouldn’t be designed for the convenience of people like me and Ben Shapiro. Sure, we can see the lay of the land — and if we fuck up, well, we had fair warning. It needs to be designed so that the average IQ 95 bozo who can manage to get to work on time every morning for forty years doesn’t get totally screwed.

Ron Unz wrote to me:

So unless Caltech professors have been coerced into totally watering down their coursework over the last couple of years, I think it’s very likely I’ll be proven correct and they’ll do the same within the next year or two.

Well… Caltech is generally known to be a very weird place: I suppose it is possible that applicants will self-select, so that students who apply are generally those who can survive.

We’ll see.

Personally, as I have said many times, I am in favor of razing all the colleges and universities in the country to the ground.

And then sowing the ground with salt.

The current higher-educational model simply makes no sense — a student can learn enormously more from a good library system and, of course, from the Internet than the vast majority of students do learn even at elite schools like Stanford and Harvard, if the student is strongly focused on learning.

And this is true even of MIT and Caltech.

I taught myself Special Relativity in junior high, and I was self-taught in calculus in high school (our school back then did not offer a calculus course). Similarly, I am self-taught in Galois-field theory, a subject in which I have earned patents.

Isn’t it true that I am much smarter than most people? Sure, but most people do not aspire to learn Galois-field theory! If you’re smart enough to understand it, you can indeed teach it to yourself, if you have access to appropriate books and, now, Internet resources.

Above all, it takes hard work, very, very hard work. As I have mentioned, I am currently writing a book that derives the key results in General Relativity using only first-year calculus. I have therefore been going over Einstein’s classic papers on General Relativity.

I have lost count of how many, very serious, errors Einstein made- not just factors of two or pi, but deep conceptual errors.

But he never gave up.

And so he fixed the errors and finally developed what seems to be the correct theory, as the result of nearly a decade of very, very hard work.

This is the opposite of the current educational model: students at Stanford or Harvard or even MIT or Caltech figure that they earned an “A” in quantum mechanics or electromagnetism or whatever and so they think they “had” quantum mechanics or electromagnetism.

No, they had a brief, a very brief, overview of quantum mechanics or electromagnetism. Unless they really struggled to understand the subject, unless they themselves ran into various sources of confusion, various counter-intuitive features, they do not understand quantum mechanics or electromagnetism.

We’re seeing that here on unz.com with multiple moronic posters who think they understand how to apply Newton’s Third Law of Motion. They obviously don’t, but, sadly, many of them probably were given a passing grade in some physics course, basically because the instructor can’t flunk ninety percent of the class.

Even though he really should.

The whole American educational system, from kindergarten through Ph.D., should be torn down and put on a bonfire.

And everyone should be told that learning any serious subject is a hell of a lot harder than training for the varsity football team.

And that if you don’t want to go to that excruciating effort, that is really fine… but then you will continue to be the ignoramus that you were born as.

Dave Miller in Sacramento

Colin Wright wrote to me:

[Dave] ‘…It is not true that Zionism equals Jewishness.’

[Colin] It’s close to being equal

Nope. Not even close.

You forget about the Evangelicals. Almost all Evangelicals are Zionists.

And, as a matter of simple arithmetic, because there are enormously more Evangelicals than Jews in the country, most Zionists are Evangelical Christians.

I grew up among these people — I take it you did not. (Of course, I myself never did drink the Kool-Aid. so I was never baptized, never joined the church, etc.)

On the whole they are nice enough people — hard-working, good neighbors, etc.

But they have their blind spots. And Israel is one of them.

If every single American Jews came to his senses — perhaps because he realized the disaster into which Bibi is leading Israel — we would still have the majority of Zionists, the Evangelicals.

And there is no sign they will ever come to their senses. Again, I know them — these were “my people.”

And, as pleasant and responsible as they generally are, on certain matters they are stark, raving mad, matters, alas, like Israel.

Our self-confessed Hitler lover (see here) Truth ‘the Fed’ Vigilante wrote to me:

[Dave] In the case of Truth Vigilante, the tell-tale is his claiming that I have been”a serial offender in falsifying data”

[The Fed] This is the third or fourth time Fizzy-cyst Dovid has whined about the exposure of his less-than-illustrious tenure at Sanford and Son university.
UR readers, I ask you this, if the allegations had no merit, of course Fizzy Dov would ignore them and not make an issue out of it.

But it really gets under his skin. The fact that he could be exposed as an academic fraud has entailed many a sleepless night.

Oh, many and many a sleepless night!

So, why don’t you just put me out of my misery and expose the info that you have that exposes me “as an academic fraud”?

Pretty please, little buddy!

Being exposed would just be so much fun!

No, it does not get under my skin — if it did, I would not keep coming back to it.

But I am going to come back to it, day after day, month after month, year after year, decade after decade.

Because it proves who you are.

If you had any actual evidence that I had engaged in academic fraud, you would present it.

But you don’t — you are just a pathologically lying Fed.

Just a typical Fed.

Let’s be honest: your whole purpose here is to distract everyone’s attention from the very real crimes that led to the 9/11 attacks by Muslim jihadists — the mass murders carried out, quite openly, by the US regime in the Mideast over many decades.

If the 9/11 attacks were not really blowback by Muslims who were enraged by US terrorism in the Mideast, if the 9/11 attacks were really engineered by Mossad or by some rogue operation in the US government, then everyone could just forget about the crimes carried out by the US regime over so many decades.

It is your goal — your very purpose in life — to draw innocent people down a rabbit hole about some crack-pot conspiracy theories — the Illuminati and all the rest — so that they will be distracted from the very real, and very public, crimes that the US regime has openly committed.

And everyone here who is sane knows it.

Now, you still have not told me if you want an invite to our little celebration on the Ides of March when we Illuminati are going to immanentize the Eschaton! What about it?

Your friendly neighborhood Illuminatus,

Dave Miller in Sacramento

Be fair. I’m sure he’s just a glib asshole.

In all fairness, we are talking about Ben Shapiro.

‘Glib asshole’ seems too kind.

“Dude needed his Social Security.”

Well, Shapiro did appear to make an exemption in his comment for those in poor health. When Social Security was originated, the average life expectancy was 65 and the retirement age was set at 65. That worked. It does not work when people live to 78 and those people did not have enough children that can then be taxed to help pay for the system. It was always a Ponzi scheme.

I am 67 and still working but am aware not everyone can do that. We certainly do not need our trillion dollar military and can get some money there. Of course, neocons like Shapiro would oppose that. The typical liberal solution for this and all our other problems is raise taxes on the rich. Raising taxes, though, can be a disincentive to work hard. Tax increases hit all rich people equally and do not distinguish between productive people and parasites.

the admission by Larry Silvertongue – “Pull it!” And, “My wife made an appointment with a doctor for me ….. and both my spawn, Thanks be to Moloch

TTTT, I think you’re reading too much into this.

After all, Dovid Miller (aka Fizzy-cyst Dovid), assured me that Larry Silverstain is one of the good guys, that Lucky Larry has devoted his remaining days (beginning straight after being awarded the lease to the World Trade Centre complex in July 2001), to the betterment of the lives of his fellow Americans.
Dovid insists that all the anomalies you mentioned about the 9/11 False Flag can be explained by his Orwellian interpretation of the Newtonian Laws of Motion.

Like the junk yard proprietors Sanford and Son on that 1970’s TV show, Dovid Miller assures us that his junk science is not to be questioned, since his wisdom was derived from Sanford and Son university.
He does have a Phd (Phony Doctorate), and everything we’ve heard from him in his defence of the bogus USG/NIST explanation for the collapse of the WTC towers, is testament to that phoniness.

BTW TTTT, don’t expect Fizzy Dov to engage with you on the 9/11 False Flag. Earlier in this thread (comment # 15), Dr Kevin Barrett slapped down Dovid Miller’s nonsensical propaganda on 9/11, and Dovid Miller ran off and hid under a rock. He’ll do likewise for you Tippy Toe lady, because he’s too much of a coward to address anything you’ve written.

Also, take note of how Fizzy Dov began his comment # 113, when he responded to me with:

Our self-admitted Hitler-lover (see here) Truth Vigilante wrote to me ….

He wrote this after I made the irrefutably true statement that the crimes of Hitler’s Germany pale into insignificance in comparison to the heinous atrocities committed by the Anglo Zionist empire during WWII.

Dovid Miller keeps insisting that he’s not a Jew, but I ask you UR readers, what goyim responds this way to anyone giving a positive appraisal of Hitler?
I mean, even those gullible goys that have been duped by the constant ZOG propaganda through watching Swindler’s List and other Spielberg productions, even they would never respond this way and accuse you of being a Hitler-lover.
Yes, they might politely say that what I’ve said contrasts with what they’ve heard about the plight of Jewry during that conflict, they’ll ask you to explain Hitler’s alleged Final Solution/the gas chambers/the 6 million dead/the lampshades and soap made from Jewish foreskins etc.

BUT ONLY A MALEVOLENT JEW like Dovid Miller would come back with this standard knee-jerk response – just like they taught him to always defend the (((tribe))) in that yeshiva he attended.
Whenever someone gives Hitler even the mildest of praise or when doubt is expressed over the Holohoax, all good Jews are instructed to go into attack dog mode.

TTTT, I think you’re reading too much into this.

Yes, I know as pull it! could mean all sorts of things, especially in the context of a burning building, or rather a few office fires, when there’s already been so many lives lost. Since when does a Fire Chief take direction from a Silvertongue Real Estate Guru?

So, the Arabs were pissed at America for meddling in the Middle East prior to 2001? When have the Arabs maintained their spheres of influence only within the Middle East? They did quite a bit of meddling themselves, certainly within southern Europe; I think Eastern Europe, as well, until European barbarians (Germans) had had enough. It seems to me that the U.S. only began to act with impunity in the Middle East after 911, or the meddling was certainly intensified afterwards, as well as the ability of the American government to spy/monitor American citizens in the name of “security.” If I’m not mistaken, immigration of Muslims increased after 911. The official mumbo-jumbo makes no sense. Building 7 makes no sense whatsoever.

So, let’s say the Middle Eastern/Arab men did it, which they didn’t. They trained on prop planes, yet were capable of flying passenger jets? Have you ever seen the interior of a passenger jet cockpit? I knew several jet pilots still in military training in the mid-late 90’s, so I’m somewhat familiar with the rigor based on their comments/stories, and there’s no way those Arab nimrods could maneuver those jets. And, as we know/knew who the pilots were, why haven’t they been arrested?

PD and I already had a 911 exchange, and it did not go well. Personally, I think he has a few suspicions, as anyone with a reasonably advanced intellect and critical thinking skills can discern many anomalies with what occurred, even if they can’t explain it in the language of physics, chemistry, and thermodynamics. A fire can be extinguished with sound waves; it’s a thing to behold, and it seems like magic, but it’s not too difficult to speculate how that works and draw a nearly correct conclusion before looking it up to confirm, whilst certain people could care less, or can’t begin to fathom how it’s possible, and certain others believe it is magic. America now has too many citizens within the latter three categories, which is why we are circling the drain.

‘…We certainly do not need our trillion dollar military and can get some money there….’

Definitely. I would also means test Social Security — and do away with cash disability payments for half the vagrants in America. That’s Social Security, and that goes straight to drugs.

…a fundamental problem, though, is that the whole thing is billed as a pension scheme. You put money in, and you get your money ‘back.’ Of course, what you get back bears only the slightest relationship to what you put in — but the end result is that every old gaffer who would be perfectly well-off anyway becomes outraged if you suggest taking away ‘his’ social security.

We’d be better off if we’d frankly billed it as what it always was: a tax to provide welfare for old people who couldn’t or didn’t make adequate provision for their dotage. After all, that certainly should exist in any humane society. No reason we can’t call it what it is.

So, let’s say the Middle Eastern/Arab men did it, which they didn’t. They trained on prop planes, yet were capable of flying passenger jets? Have you ever seen the interior of a passenger jet cockpit? I knew several jet pilots still in military training in the mid-late 90’s, so I’m somewhat familiar with the rigor based on their comments/stories, and there’s no way those Arab nimrods could maneuver those jets.

Is there a consensus among Truthers as to how the planes were maneuvered? Did Mossad assess the Arab hijackers’ piloting abilities and make sure they were good enough for flying planes into skyscrapers? Did Mossad train or command any of the hijackers?

The Stanford-educated, Los Angeles native Sam Harris continues to push the official and false narrative that the Russians are badly losing the war that they started for no good reason.

https://www.samharris.org/podcasts/making-sense-episodes/358-the-war-in-ukraine

I exposed Harris almost a year ago:

The reality that Jews did 9/11 is really devastating for the oeuvre of a Jewish pro-Israel intellectual like Sam Harris, who has focused most of his energies over the past couple of decades on the threat of radical Islam. While Islamist terrorist attacks presumably are motivated by Islamic texts and teachings, if you take out 9/11, which had a massive Jewish role, the scale of atrocities by ragtag Islamist militias in recent decades simply doesn’t compare to the scale of all the death and destruction inflicted by Zion and its American agents and meat-puppets on Afghanistan, Iraq, and the rest of the Muslim world. Israel is inherently the weaker party when compared to all the nearby Muslim countries put together, and our propping up of Israel via warfare has been disastrous for that region.

https://www.unz.com/runz/filling-the-blank-spots-in-our-national-history/?showcomments#comment-5872983

Is there a consensus among Truthers as to how the planes were maneuvered?

I can’t speak for Truthers, and I don’t know what they generally believe about the aircraft.

I was not there, but I know what I saw on film; I know what I heard on audio. One particular unknown witness proclaims, as the plane is flying overhead, on film/audio, “Did you see that United plane?” I watched the footage filmed from his/their field of vision, and I can’t see how the airline was determined.

I also know, for certain, that a building does not collapse in the same manner as a building does during a demolition due to a few office fires. I also know what the term “pull it” means. I know how long it takes to wire a building to pull it. I know Fire Chiefs do not seek advice from real estate moguls, in general.

The media solved the mystery of Who Done It? quite handily. If there had been a serious investigation into what occurred, Larry and DidYouSeeTheUnitedPlane Guy would be in the Hot Seat on Day Two. And, the Dancing Israelis would not have been released, nor would the family members of Osama Bin Laden been permitted to leave America.

I have heard from pilots that flying and maneuvering jets at a low altitude is not really part of the general training guidelines, as most of the maneuvering occurs at higher altitudes.

Did Mossad assess the Arab hijackers’ piloting abilities and make sure they were good enough for flying planes into skyscrapers? Did Mossad train or command any of the hijackers?

Who knows?

Do you know that America trains foreign pilots at American military bases? I don’t know the selection criteria for those pilots, but I know for certain many are not Americans, as my former roommate went through a “hot pilot” phase in college, so they were at our townhouse all the time, and obviously, the US military is a sieve.

Regardless of who planned the “plane attack,” which must have been years in the planning, why not select a few Muslim pilots already trained for military craft? Why such a clumsy choice of obviously inept yahoos, who leave an obvious trail with their prop plane training? I suggest they chose the yahoos to make it appear as if the planners were just mostly disgruntled, resentful, anti-American Muslims, who managed to pull off the crime of the century, second only to the so-called Holocaust, by the skin of their teeth, so there, we solved it, easy-peasy. A highly trained pilot would suggest serious infiltration into the American military.

There is a former flight attendant, I don’t recall her name, who wrote a book on the numerous inconsistencies with the official narrative from the standpoint of the hijacking and violation of protocols. I didn’t read her book, but I heard her speak. It’s an interesting perspective. In any case, I don’t believe the hijackers flew those planes into anything.

Ron Unz wrote to me:

[Dave] I taught myself Special Relativity in junior high, and I was self-taught in calculus in high school (our school back then did not offer a calculus course). Similarly, I am self-taught in Galois-field theory, a subject in which I have earned patents.

[Ron] That’s really very impression, certainly in keeping with your extremely strong record at Caltech. Where did you happen to grow up?

An unincorporated inner suburb of Saint Louis known as Affton. I was a couple years behind the actor John Goodman at Affton High, and so I have performed on-stage with John: I was one of three backup singers to John in the song “It Takes a Woman” in our school production of Hello, Dolly!. John has a Kevin Bacon number of one, and so I would have a Kevin Bacon number of two… if amateur stage productions counted!

All of which impresses most people more than the fact that I took classes from or worked with five Nobel laureates.

I taught myself Special Relativity from Hermann Bondi’s wonderful little book, Relativity and Common Sense, which our local library happened to own. I had to teach myself algebra in order to understand the book, since I had not yet had algebra in school.

I learned the very basic ideas of Galois-field theory from some math book I read in high school whose name I’ve forgotten (Galois fields are the finite fields that obey the same algebraic rules as the rationals and real numbers). I never took a course in the subject. After I got my Ph.D. and went out into industry, which I was forced to do by the Zionist professors at Stanford who kicked me out of academic physics, I found out, to my amazement, that Galois-field theory had practical application in error-correction systems: my patents (e.g., see here for and here) employ Galois-field theory.

One of the great virtues of Caltech is that the faculty assumed that, if we had been admitted to ‘Tech, we could learn anything we needed to learn on the fly. So, for example, I spent one summer working on a large program with a very complex memory-management system that was modeling the interaction of elementary particles with a large detector located at Fermilab (this was in the old days of Fortran 66): the professor, Frank Sciulli, told me what developments were needed in the program and told me to figure out how the program worked and to ask any questions if I needed to.

And so I just did it. Sciulli assumed I could. (He was not, however, real keen on my suggestion that I modify the entire program to embody Hagedorn theory, which was a precursor of string theory. He was right about that, though it would have been interesting.)

You see what I mean about ‘Tech being an unusual place. My general point is that the sort of student who chooses to go to ‘Tech really can do this: I was far from unique among ‘Techers.

Ron also wrote:

[Dave] The whole American educational system, from kindergarten through Ph.D., should be torn down and put on a bonfire.

[Ron] I’m not sure I agree with that, though given

Well, it won’t happen that dramatically, of course. But our current education system, both K-12 and higher-ed, were designed in the age of the general store, literally before there were department stores or supermarkets, much less amazon.com.

For various reasons — government operation and ownership or heavy government subsidies, the inertia built into certification processes, etc. — we now have an education system that is more than a century out of date. No one would design the system this way from scratch today, now that we have the Web, live-streaming, and all the rest.

But it is hard to alter institutions that are not part of the market. One of the biggest virtues of the market is that it can gently put businesses out of their misery when they no longer serve any real purpose — as happened, of course, to such once major corporations as PanAm, Montgomery Ward, TWA, etc.

Non-market organizations — religions, educational institutions, and, above all, governments — tend to require rather more disruptive events to be terminated. You need a Reformation, a revolution, etc.

Existing educational institutions no longer serve human needs. Somehow, they will eventually be dismantled. I hope it comes sooner rather than later, for the benefit of taxpayers, and, above all, students, who are wasting years of their lives in these outdated institutions.

Dave Miller in Sacramento

‘Nope. Not even close.

You forget about the Evangelicals. Almost all Evangelicals are Zionists.’

Technically, that’s irrelevant to the validity of your original claim.

Almost all Evangelicals could have gills and be able to breathe under water.

What would remain true is that most Jews support Israel — however unhappily. Ergo, most Jews are Zionists.

Now, admit that you’re wrong and that I’m right, and we’ll all be happy.

Is there a consensus among Truthers as to how the planes were maneuvered? Did Mossad assess the Arab hijackers’ piloting abilities and make sure they were good enough for flying planes into skyscrapers? Did Mossad train or command any of the hijackers?

I’m entranced by my latest idea — if only because the truth so often lies in the middle.

Someone — Arab or Israeli — could have planted beacons in the targets. Such a device would be relatively inconspicuous and seemingly innocuous — and it could make the pilot’s job relatively easy. You’re on the glide path onto the runway into the target. Airliners are built to make this easy.

Al Qaeda came up with the plan. Israel’s representatives within the organization improved it. Let’s make sure you don’t miss the frigging buildings entirely.

Colin Wright wrote to me:

Technically, that’s irrelevant to the validity of your original claim.

Almost all Evangelicals could have gills and be able to breathe under water.

What would remain true is that most Jews support Israel — however unhappily. Ergo, most Jews are Zionists.

Now, admit that you’re wrong and that I’m right, and we’ll all be happy.

Nope — you’re wrong. As a matter of elementary mathematics.

I take it that you did not legitimately pass sixth-grade math?

Our initial exchange was:

[Dave] ‘…It is not true that Zionism equals Jewishness.’

[Colin] It’s close to being equal

Now, if ninety percent of Zionists were Jews and ten percent were Evangelicals, then it would be fair to say that Zionism and Jewishness were “close to being equal.”

But, given that the number of Evangelicals is several times the number of Jews and, of course, that most Jews and most Evangelicals are Zionists, it follows as a matter of simple math that the number of Zionists vastly exceeds the number of Jews.

Not at all “close to being equal.”

What probably is true ts that American Jews provide most of the “mnoneybags” for the Zionist movement. Evangelicals do fork over some money, but there is good reason to think it is much less: Mearsheimer and Walt discuss this in The Israel Lobby.

On the other hand, money alone does not win elections, as Hillary found out in 2016.

You need votes.

And what politicians care about, above all else, is winning elections. The power of the Israel lobby consists of their ability to defeat politicians in elections.

And the Jewish vote is pretty small.

But the Evangelical vote is huge.

I know that most of the commenters here are hypnotized by Jewish money.

But votes win elections.

So, the fact that most American Zionists are Evangelicals really does matter: if the Evangelicals were ever to turn against Zionism (around the time Hell freezes over!), the Zionists would be toast.

As usual, the real fault lies within your and my own ethnic group.

But most commenters here want to evade that basic fact and so spend their time tilting at windmills.

Funny guys. In a pathetic sort of way.

Unwitting foot soldiers of the ruling elite.

The commenters here are almost all buttressing the ruling class.

Al Qaeda came up with the plan.

That would’ve been difficult without the participation of Osama bin Laden, who denied any involvement in the attacks.

Ron Unz wrote to me:

[Dave] You forget about the Evangelicals. Almost all Evangelicals are Zionists.

And, as a matter of simple arithmetic, because there are enormously more Evangelicals than Jews in the country, most Zionists are Evangelical Christians.

[Ron] I’m very skeptical that the Evangelicals have had much to do with America’s support for Israel.

I’m not making any abstruse claim about measuring power levels: it is just simple arithmetic.

You did not grow up among Evangelicals, did you?

As I said, I did: these are “my people.”

And a very, very easy way to get them to vote against someone is to convince them that that candidate is anti-Israel.

And there are tens of millions of Evangelicals in America.

Now, of course, if there were a comparably large voting bloc on the other side, the massive size of the Evangelical voting bloc might not be decisive.

That is the case on abortion, on which most of us Americans are moderately pro-choice.

Hence, the fact that most Evangelicals are pro-life is not enough to give them easy victories — even after they succeeded in getting Roe overturned (and Roe was indeed legally a bad decision, even though most of us were satisfied with its results), the Evangelicals are still having trouble in many states advancing their cause on the abortion issue because there is a large countervailing bloc on the other side.

But in the case of Zionism, you have a small number of Jewish voters who are pro-Zionist and a small number of us, on both the Left and the Right, who have learned about the history of Palestine and are therefore anti-Zionists. The numbers on the two sides might be in a rough balance.

Except for the tens of millions of Evangelicals who are, for quite bizarre religious reasons having to do with the Second Coming, fanatically pro-Zionist, in a very weird way (the End Game is that the Jews all end up dead in the battle of Armageddon!).

Numbers matter.

At least in elections when you count votes.

And the Evangelicals are the foot soldiers among the Zionists who decisively swing the numbers in favor of Zionism, simply because there would otherwise be no numerically large bloc of voters on either side. The Evangelicals are the “muscle” in this fight.

Imagine if the Evangelicals all came to their senses (fat chance!) and swung against Zionism. That would be the end of Zionism in America. At least in terms of electoral politics.

There is a tendency among so many of your posters and commenters here to try to somehow look “behind the veil” and try to see the “hidden forces” at work.

But what actually takes real effort is to see clearly the forces that are not hidden, but what is rather “hidden in plain sight.”

And, in the case of Zionism in the USA, that is the Evangelicals.

And the Jewish Zionists know it: read Mearsheimer and Walt’s section where they quote Jewish Zionist leaders being aware of these facts.

As Orwell said:

To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.

This is the central point I am hammering away at in these Open Threads.

What is the key fact, in front of our nose, about the 9/11 attacks?

That they were carried our by Islamic jihadists as “blowback” for the horrifically murderous actions of the US government in the Mideast. As Ron Paul has said again and again, they are over here because we have been over there. They killed us because the US government killed so many of them.

That is the “surface story” of 9/11; it is plain to anyone who chose to follow news reports at the time; and yet that is the story that the regime, for very obvious reasons, wants people to avoid focusing on.

And that basic fact is what many of your columnists here and most of your commenters also want to keep everyone from focusing on.

“To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.”

You have written at length about the events that led up to US involvement in WW II. And yet, most of that information was available to anyone who paid reasonable attention to the news at the time.

But it was “memory-holed.” The lies passed on to younger generations were that the attack on Pearl was an unprovoked and dastardly sneak attack, a bolt from the blue, a “day that would live in infamy.”

You see this bizarre behavior in this very Open Thread where our little friend Truth Vigilante insists that the obviously satirical video by the great Dom Frisby is really in earnest (lizard people and all!), where Truth Vigilante libels me by claiming that I engaged in academic falsification of data, even though he does not even pretend to have any evidence for that claim, etc.

He is quite transparent about being a pathological liar.

And yet few commenters here bother to notice this: “To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.”

And of course this constantly happens in the mainstream media as well: Biden and his neocon minions claim that Putin, if he succeeds in Ukraine, will, in short order, move on NATO countries. Which ignores the quite obvious fact that it is taking a major effort by Russia even to defeat Ukraine. Which therefore makes the idea that Putin could successfully drive to the Channel simply absurd.

By and large, the history of the world is hidden only in the sense that it is “hidden in plain sight.”

The CFR, the Trilateral Commission, the WEF are not secret. And the crimes that the members of such groups commit –the destruction of the currency, the wars they start, the collapse of the education system, and all the rest — are front-page news.

These are not secrets.

But people are well-trained to forget or ignore the obvious facts that were presented a month or a year or a decade ago on the front page.

That is the real basis of the power of the ruling elite: making people forget what everyone once knew.

To again quote Orwell:

‘Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.’

And most of your columnists here and most of your commenters are supporting the ruling elite in obfuscating the past, trying to manufacture some bizarre fantasies in place of facing up to the actual horrors that are sufficient to indict the ruling elite.

Dave Miller in Sacramento

Chebyshev wrote to Colin Wright:

[Colin] Al Qaeda came up with the plan.

[Cheb] That would’ve been difficult without the participation of Osama bin Laden, who denied any involvement in the attacks.

I think you do not know how to organize an underground operation: “Do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing.”

For that matter, that is also how the Deep State operates. (Hey — as I have confessed, I did work for the US Intelligence Community back in the ’80s and ’90s! I actually do know.)

Bin Laden both accepted and denied responsibility for 9/11.

It is quite possible that it was a “compartmented” operation that he was not at first aware of.

Or maybe he was just lying to confuse the “special services” in the West — that’s what they would do: look at how they are quite transparently lying about the destruction of the Nord Stream pipeline.

You need to learn a bit about how the Deep State and its opponents operate!

Is there a consensus among Truthers as to how the planes were maneuvered?
Did Mossad assess the Arab hijackers’ piloting abilities and make sure they were good enough for flying planes into skyscrapers?
Did Mossad train or command any of the hijackers?

Chubby, you’re in desperate need of an education on what actually occured during the 9/11 False Flag.
The clue comes courtesy of the words ‘False Flag’ – which means that Entity A perpetrates a crime on entity B, yet somehow manages to leave ‘evidence’ that entity C did it.
Of course entity C (the innocent parties ) are the Muslims/Al Qaeda. A subset of entity C is the Saudis and Pakistan’s ISI (ZOG left ‘evidence’ to implicate them, even though both had NO involvement whatsover).
Entity A, the same entity that murdered JFK/RFK/JFK Jr/MLK Jr, James Forrestal, perpetrated the Covid Psyop, the Holohoax, the Anthropogenic Global Warming fraud and much, MUCH more, is ZOG (The Zionist Usury Banking Cartel – the same cabal that lords over the entirety of the western financial system),

Click on the link below and be sure to read the comment (it is # 948 in Open Thead #8).
Most important of all, make sure you watch the 3 min section of the video in that comment that I’ve specified, and do so over and over until it sinks in:

https://www.unz.com/announcement/open-thread-8/#comment-6441107

SUMMARY: There is NO PROOF that a single one of those alleged Muslim hijackers (that were alleged by the corrupt ZOG owned MSM to have crashed those four aircraft on 9/11), boarded ANY of those four planes.
In fact, SEVEN (7) of them were reported to be ALIVE after 9/11 !!

As to your other questions, unfortunately there is no consensus among truthers on what happened that day. Because ZOG has so much riding on not being discovered as the villain in this heinous crime, they have expended much time and energy into infiltrating various Truther movements and even concocting elaborate diversionary stories like ‘No Planes actually struck the WTC towers’, and that what we saw were either Holograms or CGI applied to the videos after the event.
Unfortunately, many sincere truthers have been sucked in by the ‘No Planes’ theory and are not willing to objectively analyse all the evidence.

In fact, NONE of the four real aircraft with real pasengers and crew were hijacked/crashed that day.
The real planes were electronically commandeered using BUAP (Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Auto Pilot) technology – in the same way that Malaysian Airlines MH370 was commandeered and landed safely in Diego Garcia in 2014 (and not crashed into the Indian Ocean as the ZOG owned western media would have us believe).

The real planes of 9/11 were landed at alternative venues and the passengers and crew, seeing as we haven’ t heard from them in the interim, were almost certainly murdered.
The planes that struck the WTC towers and the Pentagon were DRONES that replaced the original planes mid flight. They turned on an identical transponder signal at the same instant that the real planes turned theirs off – hence what appeared to be a continuity of flight path as far as the Air Traffic Control that was monitoring their movements.

Chubby, what I’ve discussed above (and a hell of a lot more), has been covered exhaustively by many others (myself included) in the various 9/11 threads in UR featured over recent years.
But, for whatever reason, you weren’t paying attention.

My advice to you: Don’t be like Colin Wrong. No matter how many times he’s shown irrefutable proof that NO MUSLIMS WERE ABOARD ANY OF THE FOUR ‘9/11 planes’, let alone being able to hijack them and steer them to their targets, he still writes asinine things like ‘Al Qaeda came up with the plan’, as he posted in comment # 144.

Once Colin Wrong fixates himself on a particular hypothesis, there is no changing his mind.
He’ll take that belief to the grave, irrespective of what evidence is presented to the contrary.

Ron Unz has banned me from posting comments on the Covid Psyop, as many of you will be aware.
I get how it works: ‘His webzine, His rules’, so I will be refraining from commentary on that topic henceforth.

Meanwhile, assuming you’re reading this Ron, I know you have a lot of respect* for the Libertarian Tom Woods Phd.
(*Proof of that appears near the bottom of the UR home page, where Tom Woods is recommended by Ron as ‘SELECTED ALTERNATIVE MEDIA’).

Well, Tom Woods just appeared on The Ron Paul Liberty Report speaking about his book titled: “Diary of a Psychosis: How Public Health Disgraced Itself During COVID Mania.”
Ron, if you haven’t already read it, I think it’s something you might consider looking at in the future.

Meanwhile, many individuals are of the opinion that Libertarianism cannot be applied during emergencies, that authoritarian government is needed and liberties must be restricted for the common good.
Well, Tom Woods begs to differ (watch the 2 mins from 9:00-11:00 of the video below):

so often lies in the middle.

Colleen?

You did not grow up among Evangelicals, did you?

I grew up around Pentecostal People. Well, not around them, but that’s the church my mother hauled us to for some reason. Fire & Brimstone, and speaking in tongues….I heard it all.

Perhaps the point is that there would be no Zion/Zionism without Jews/Jewry, and secular Jews do support Israel, nonetheless, because their parents/grandparents/relatives train young Jews to do so, and also “train” them to see themselves somewhat apart from everyone else. I have been to bar mitzvahs, and foreskin snipping parties of completely atheist, bacon-eating, gentile-loving Jews, surrounded by their yarmulke-wearing relatives. They toe the line due to familial/community pressure, which is intense.

So, Zion/Zionism/Israel is Jewish in core and form, and Evangelical Christians, and many other Christians, support Israel because Jesus was a Jew, or because that’s the message they extract from the Bible. That book is so full of omissions, I don’t understand how they don’t question the conclusions drawn by the pastor/preacher. My first subversive inquiry was – who did Cain marry, and how did he come to rule a great nation, if he was one of only three people on earth when he was banished?

I think the Jew-loving Christians are Useful Idiots. But, they were also trained, yes?

As Ron Paul has said again and again, they are over here because we have been over there.

I’m not defending the American government, but Arabic muslims are not docile people. Islam was spread by violence/conquest. I suppose ancient Christianity was too, but I don’t think to the same degree as Islam; certainly not in more modern times.

Who allowed the Muslims to enter the U.S.? What is this inane practice of disrupting or decimating a community of people, generally hostile to Christianity/Judaism, and then bringing them on over to live amongst the people who ruined said community? It’s intentional – who is that stupid? Or Useful?

You have written at length about the events that led up to US involvement in WW II. And yet, most of that information was available to anyone who paid reasonable attention to the news at the time.

I’m not so sure that was true before the internet. FDR lied constantly about Germany, and at that time, most people trusted their president; pro-Germany, anti-FDR, reporting was designated fringe and antisemitic; US senators who opposed FDR were punished/ruined.

I began reading history extensively in middle school. I never read about the European slave trade into Africa/Arabia – I had only read about the Barbary Pirates capturing America/English vessels; I learned of the European slaves on an archeology tour. Mainstream textbooks, media, etc., have been slanted against reality for decades. And, as you correctly say, the American education system of the last few decades is exponentially devolving from the decline that seems to have begun after WW2.

There were no hijacked jetliners that crashed anywhere on September 11, 2001.

We can be sure there were no hijacked or crashed planes on 9/11 for the simple but decisive reason there was no authentic and verifiable airplane wreckage recovered in a timely fashion at any of the claimed 9/11 crash locations – not at the World Trade Center, nor the Pentagon, nor a field near Shanksville, PA – while the reasonable expectation would be that those sites would have been littered with broken airplane parts, as is the case with every other airplane crash on solid ground known to man. A few airplanes have crashed into the ocean and disappeared, but that’s it.

At one point, reported only in a few regional publications, the FBI did claim to have recovered almost all of the wreckage of UA93 from its hole in the ground at Shanksville, but of course we’ve never seen any of it, nor have we heard much more about this FBI claim.

There were a few attempts to plant airplane wreckage, both at the Pentagon and around the WTC, but critics have pointed out discrepancies and problems with all of that material. Obviously, planted evidence is a big red flag alerting us to fact that 9/11 was a charade with no real hijacked airliners crashing into anything.

Sept. 11, 2001 – Black Tuesday – was a made-for-TV special, a Hollywood-style Psychodrama in SFX that had most of the world transfixed and fooled.

But not everyone. You really can’t fool all of the people all of the time.

Even as I watched on TV as the Twin Towers came down, I knew that a 150-ton airplane could not possibly destroy a 500,000-ton skyscraper. No way, Jose. I knew with certainty then there had to have been some other agents involved in bringing down those massive buildings, probably some kind of explosives. Donald Trump knew it too, and said so publicly before going silent on the matter, but that was his usual shtick anyway, to first flirt with the truth for awhile, then flee from it at full tilt later.

No airplane wreckage means no hijacked jetliners, and no hijacked jetliners means no hijackers. Drones too would have left wreckage. Pixels, none at all.

The televised images of a Boeing 767 jetliner we saw seemingly crashing into WTC 2 on 9/11, purportedly UA175, were created with CGI. Knowledgeable video analysts can point out numerous telltale flaws in these videos, making it crystal clear those were not real airplanes on 9/11, and not real videos of them crashing.

The notorious Hezarkhani still frame seems to show UA175 has plunged into WTC and penetrated the skyscraper up to the airplane’s wing roots, but there is no sign of any reaction from either airplane or building, which is impossible. Obviously, both airliner and building would be visibly affected by a collision. The airplane would begin to shatter and crumple at first impact, and cladding and other material would fly off the building there, but we see nothing like that in the Hezarkhani video. Instead, the airplane seems to be gliding into the skyscraper without resistance or any reduction in speed, smoother even than the proverbial hot knife into butter, for even that colliding combo creates more resistance than pixels.

Image: Michael Hezarkhani at

911planeshoax.com

The complete lack of any reaction from either airplane or building is 100% guaranteed proof that the image is fake, does not represent a real-world event, and was created with CGI.

If only the MSN then had paid as much attention to the obviously fake videos from 9/11 as they are now paying to Kate Middleton’s hands, as if the world turned on pictures of the “Royal Family,” we might have had a chance of stopping Shrub’s GWOT.

Is this a strange planet, or what?

No planes on 9/11 – just pixels.

However, there was a jetliner, possibly under remote control, that overflew the Pentagon on 9/11. This is likely the airplane, purportedly AA77, about which Vice-president Dick Cheney was getting timely updates as it approached the Pentagon, as was witnessed at the time, and subsequently reported by Norman Mineta to 9/11 Commission Vice-chairman Lee Hamilton.

We can be certain as well, that no airplane was shot down at the Pentagon, despite the timely warnings being given to Dick Cheney, who, by the way, as vice-President, had no operational role in national defense. The VP is entirely out of the DOD’s chain of command and has no military authority whatsoever, so it’s pretty clear something highly unusual, unprecedented, and probably illegal was going on with Dick Cheney seemingly giving orders to the military while hunkered down in the PECC.

Since no airplane was shot down at the Pentagon, we can be sure that the “orders” discussed by Cheney and the “young man” must have been “hold your fire.” There is only one explanation for the Pentagon’s failure to shoot down the approaching plane, and that is the aircraft must have been a friendly. Its whole purpose was to impress upon a number of witnesses the presence of a large jet near the Pentagon right as bombs were set off therein. Blast and smoke from the bombs provided cover for the big jet as it overflew the Pentagon and flew off to land somewhere, which would have been easy enough to do after all the planes were grounded.

Meanwhile, down in a Florida classroom, Pres. Bush had been notified by Andrew Card that “America is under attack.” because apparently, “a second plane has flown into the second tower.” So the game was, well, the first plane could plausibly be considered some kind of terrible accident, but boy, when that 2nd one went in there, everybody knew it was no accident.

So lessee. At that point, the situation was there had been two airplane crashes into the World Trade Center, and American was under attack, so wouldn’t you think Plan A would have been to get the President of the United States and his staff and those kids out of that classroom as quickly as was humanly possible?

I mean, for goodness sake, the Booker school where Pres. Bush was sitting is just 2 miles from the end of the runway at Sarasota’s Bradenton international airport! Couldn’t another one of those hijacked jetliners have come plunging through the roof at Booker at any second? In the official 9/11 narrative at least, Bush and his party and the kids at Booker were sitting ducks for Kamikaze Arab Hijackers with Boxcutters.

In any normal circumstance, Bush and his party would have boogied on outa there with all due haste, but no worries.

Clearly, Pres. Bush and some of his party knew there were no real hijacked jetliners, and no real danger to Bush, who in any case decided against jumping to his feet and taking charge as Commander in Chief with his nation under attack, and chose instead to remain in his chair for another seven minutes until the bizarre chanting session mercifully came to an end, and W was free to hang around the schoolhouse a bit more to glad hand and pose for pictures with the staff and kids.

It must have been a festive occasion, after all, for Bush and his crowd, what with America under attack, and all.

Finally, some 20 minutes or more after the word came in that the country was being attacked, the Commander-in-Chief and his entourage at last pulled out of Booker.

It could be said, I suggest, that 9/11 and George W. Bush’s subsequent Global War on Terror were the sparks and conflagrations that ignited what is trying hard to be WWIII.

Bin Laden both accepted and denied responsibility for 9/11.

It is quite possible that it was a “compartmented” operation that he was not at first aware of.

Or maybe he was just lying to confuse the “special services” in the West — that’s what they would do: look at how they are quite transparently lying about the destruction of the Nord Stream pipeline.

What? That doesn’t make any sense.

Bin Laden denied responsibility in September 2001, so he clearly wasn’t involved. If he was involved in the successful terrorist attacks he of course would’ve wanted credit.

How could his small terrorist organization have pulled off a massive operation like 9/11 without the top leadership knowing about it? I think the Mossad Theory of 9/11 requires the involvement of Ariel Sharon, so I don’t see how the Al Qaeda Theory could work without bin Laden.

‘…I’m very skeptical that the Evangelicals have had much to do with America’s support for Israel.’

To be somewhat unfair about it (or maybe not), the Jews are like STAVKA. The Evangelicals are the poor oiks in the endless waves of Red Army Rifle divisions.

If anyone doubts that, see the funding and leadership of CUFI, or the activities of that Singer creature.

I think Physicist Dave is a bit too intimate with his Evangelical roots. I’m (involuntarily) familiar with the animal as well, but from a more detached perspective. Blaming Evangelicals for America’s support for America’s support for Israel is like blaming the pit bull for mauling your daughter.

Talk to the owner.

Yo ho, the mistletoe…

Jack’s people in action.

‘Dozens dead, wound­ed as Is­raeli he­li­copter opens fire on Gaza aid seek­ers’

Anyone who still supports Israel at this point — may you burn in hell.

Ron Unz wrote to me:

But there are very widespread claims that a little over a century ago Samuel Untermyer subsidized the publication and distribution of the Scofield Reference Bible that drastically shifted that perspective among American Protestants. I’ve never looked into the matter, but it seems perfectly plausible.

Well… I know that academics who “study” Evangelicals often make a big deal of the Scofield Reference Bible.

But, having grown up among Evangelicals, and having had friendly debates with numerous Evangelicals after I became an adult, not one single one of them has ever mentioned the Scofield Reference Bible to me.

I rather suspect that academics who “study” Evangelicals do not much bother talking to real live Evangelicals, rather as if the Evangelicals had cooties or something.

Sort of like shopping at Walmart.

Ron also wrote:

Also, during the middle decades of the 20th century, many of the most influential and popular Christian preachers were very antisemitic, and there are claims that a mixture of money, media, and perhaps blackmail were used to gradually elevate a different group of preachers who were far more favorable towards Jews and Israel. Although I’m not too familiar with that history, last month I published an article discussing it:

Well… I’m afraid you are again showing that you don’t have much real-life experience with Evangelicals!

Your column goes on and on about Billy Graham and you also mentioned:

On the home front, recruitment to the new marketing-driven fandom-cum-church was booming. From 1965 to 1975, Evangelicals were always on offer on the television and radio, allowing the movement to gain waves of followers and become the largest Protestant denomination in the country.

Well, no.

The Evangelicals were mainly a grass-roots operation, off the radar of most academics, journalists, and, indeed, most Americans on the East or West coasts. They were not a product of Billy Graham and the televangelists.

I remember when Jimmy Carter, who was a “born-again” Christian, ran for President in 1976. The news media actually ran specials explaining to “normal” Americans what it meant to be “born again.”

I found this to be enormously hilarious: what planet had these “journalists” been living on throughout their lives?

The answer, of course, is a planet with other people like them, a planet that ignored the largely lower-middle-class, working-class, and truly poor people who had tended to be Evangelicals. These people had always been a significant part of the American population, going back, indeed, to colonial times.

Serious historians of American religious history have, of course, always known this, but the “journalists” truly did not. And I assume you too had little or no contact with that class of people, coming from a secular family on the West coast, going to Harvard, etc.

But if you read serious US religious history, they have always been among us: they were not somebody’s creation in the mid-twentieth century!

Could it be, as you say, that “a mixture of money, media, and perhaps blackmail were used to gradually elevate a different group of preachers who were far more favorable towards Jews and Israel”?

Billy Graham, maybe.

But actual Evangelicals in the pews viewed him as you and I viewed Carl Sagan: perhaps not a bad chap, but lacking in relevancy to our lives.

When I was in grade school, the church which my parents attended kicked out their preacher — Reverend Montgomery — and installed the “education director,” known to us all as “Brother Ed,” as the new preacher.

My own parents were closely involved in this, and I myself was allowed to attend the church service at which the vote was held to change preachers (yes, this was majority vote of all church members who chose to attend — had I chosen to join the church, I could have voted!).

The idea that our church’s choice of preacher was or could have been influenced by outside money is just laughable.

By the way, the main issue was that Reverend Montgomery was an old-fashioned “fire-and-brimstone” preacher who frightened the children and irritated the younger suburban moms — the old geezers liked the old guy. Brother Ed held exactly the same views as Montgomery, but Brother Ed was not really into yelling.

Sure: Billy Graham was a publicity hound who sucked up to high-ranking politicians. Everyone in the country knew who he was, of course, but I never recall hearing his name mentioned in our church. He was simply an irrelevancy to the members of our church.

I am afraid that what we are seeing here is the same thing as journalists who try to “understand” Trump voters by reading some crazy posts by QAnon supporters online.

QAnon conspiracy nuts are simply not the vast majority of Trump supporters.

And the people who think that Billy Graham or televangelists were the center of the real Evangelical movement need to come down from their high perches and lower themselves by mixing with real, living people.

I’ve spent my life doing that. Even though I think their religious views are quite loony, I find Evangelicals to be rather nice people, on the whole. And, indeed, they are no loonier than most secular upper-middle-class liberals — they are just loony in different ways.

Dave Miller in Sacramento

Chebyshev wrote to me:

[Dave] Bin Laden both accepted and denied responsibility for 9/11.

It is quite possible that it was a “compartmented” operation that he was not at first aware of.

Or maybe he was just lying to confuse the “special services” in the West — that’s what they would do: look at how they are quite transparently lying about the destruction of the Nord Stream pipeline.

[Cheb] What? That doesn’t make any sense.

As I said, you clearly do not understand how to organize a revolution!

Or, for that matter, a spy agency.

The key is: compartmentalize, compartmentalize, compartmentalize.

The more people who know about a Black Op, the more likely someone is to blab about it.

Do you think that the “antifa” movement has one central command that knows about and controls every single act carried out by “antifa”?

If you think that, you would make a really poor revolutionary cadre!

Cheb also wrote:

How could his small terrorist organization have pulled off a massive operation like 9/11 without the top leadership knowing about it?

But it wasn’t massive at all!

It was something like twenty guys, a few of whom learned some very, very basic flying skills (they did not learn how to land!) and who managed to get through lax security at Logan, Newark, and Dulles.

Why is this any more surprising than the small group who dumped tea into Boston Harbor in December of 1773? Do you think that was a massive operation?

Or, for that matter, Tim McVeigh blowing up the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City?

Or even the Unabomber?

The truth is that modern industrial society is stunningly fragile against a handful of guys who want to kill a bunch of people. For obvious reasons, I am not going to list possible future scenarios here, but anyone with a bit of imagination, or anyone who has read a lot of thrillers, can come up with quite a few.

Because of over-reaction by the ruling elite, the 9/11 terrorists had an outsized impact.

But they were just a bunch of guys who managed to take advantage of some real loopholes in American security. And who lucked out in not getting caught.

The key characteristic of “conspiracy theorists” is that they do not want to believe that huge consequences can flow from small actions by a tiny handful of marginal, nutty people. They want the world to have meaning — it is all really due, as our friend Truth Vigilante recently informed us, to the Illuminati! Or whatever.

But in fact history often is just one damn thing after another. Gavrilo Princip actually failed to nail Franz Ferdinand when he had planned, but, unfortunately, Franz Ferdinand’s driver made a wrong turn, and Princip got a second chance. Fanny Kaplan, on August 30, 1918, did manage to shoot that evil thug Lenin, but, alas, he survived. And Zangara, sadly, took out Anton Chermak but missed FDR, in my opinion one of the greatest tragedies in American history. And the monster Hitler sadly survived the 20 July attempt to take him out.

But some people cannot accept contingency.

And so they need something else. They need the world to have a coherence that it does not in fact have.

Dave Miller in Sacramento

Colin Wright wrote to Ron Unz:

[Ron] ‘…I’m very skeptical that the Evangelicals have had much to do with America’s support for Israel.’

[Colin] To be somewhat unfair about it (or maybe not), the Jews are like STAVKA. The Evangelicals are the poor oiks in the endless waves of Red Army Rifle divisions.

If anyone doubts that, see the funding and leadership of CUFI, or the activities of that Singer creature.

I’m not sure we disagree: as I said, I think American Jews are probably the “moneybags” of the American Zionist movement, and they certainly provide the brains (Evangelicals tend not be the brightest among our countrymen!) and most of the organizational skills.

But you do still need those “endless waves of Red Army Rifle divisions,” don’t you?

Colin also wrote:

I think Physicist Dave is a bit too intimate with his Evangelical roots.

Well, ’tis indeed a bit of a love/hate relationship. As I’ve said, I was never baptized, never joined the church, and was certainly never “born again” and never “accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior”! And I am still angry about the nightmares I had as a young child because of the fire-and-brimstone teaching — of course, those went away once I realized it was all just a sado-masochistic fantasy.

On the other hand, most of the Evangelicals I grew up among actually were quite nice people. In fact, contrary to popular opinion, most Evangelicals are actually more tolerant than almost any liberals. After all, they know that we are all sinners, and they merely want to save you and me from eternal torture in Hell, which is rather thoughtful of them, don’t you think?

In a weird way.

Of course, as you have noted, I certainly do have an evangelistic urge to expose liars and con artists wherever I find them.

But my family will tell you that this seems to be inborn in me and to antedate my exposure to Evangelical teachings.

I just have an innate hatred of lies.

It puzzles me that most people don’t.

According to this article in Tablet, the daily casualty figures reported by Gaza’s health ministry are fake, as indicated by several anomalies in the data.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers

But assuming that’s true, does that mean the figures are wild overestimates? It must be very difficult to accurately estimate the daily casualties in Gaza because of all the destruction inflicted by Israel. Maybe Hamas has just reported inaccurate (but not necessarily inflated) daily casualty figures in a regular, predictable fashion since it’s hard to produce an accurate daily estimate in a 24 hour period over and over again.

The important thing is the estimate of total casualties. The daily estimates don’t really matter as much. If the total estimate of casualties as well as the age and gender estimates produced by the Gaza health ministry are way off, then why did Biden and Austin cite them? They’re not in the pocket of Hamas.

My dear grandmother (born in the very late 1890’s) was a very devout Roman Catholic who was also a private Christian Zionist. There was a tent revival movement occurring all over North America, in the 1920’s when my grandmother was young woman, and that is from which that ideological vein came to her (and to at least one of her sisters, my American grand-auntie, who often visited us in Canada, and vise versa, as well).

I was curious and as a young lad (maybe around 13 or 14), I asked her so many questions about this strange belief system (not really Roman Catholic, as per my parental-raising, …to my mind anyways) and she gave me the pertinent reading material (Hal Lindsay’s 1970 book – ‘The Late Great Planet Earth’).

Of course I have also known some Evangelicals (not Roman Catholic), also Christian Zionist. Converse deeply, …and you will find they believe the same as my grandmother:

They feel like they are personally burdened, with heavy heart, by the sins of the world, and hope for a way to finally reconcile that, … within the here and now of this earthly realm, …. as all intimately related to what their heart truly wants: Peace and prosperity on earth for all, for all of humanity. They feel that, due to that which their heart truly wants, …. perhaps they are marked this way, ….. and as well, … this precise attitude ( a grasping towards an ‘ontological humility’) may be the elixir that saves them from damnation, in the afterlife.

I would say that my dear grandmother was oh so very sincerely trying for this ‘ontological humility’ but did not go far enough, and was still off the mark, like the Evangelicals, of course, too (i.e. … I think, in the end, ontological humility demands the refusal of any sort of notion of certainty around afterlife tropes).

The Christian Zionists are not who you appear to believe they are (with respect to their views on the Judaic). It so happens that the Institutional Christian doctrine (of all denominational stripes) dictates that the Christians are the true inheritors (usurpers?) of the blood covenants that the Judaic Jews prior proclaimed they had with ‘God’. And of course, you do see that as a bad joke (because no one knows the mind of God, …. even an agnostic claiming the atheist mantle, like yourself, will agree with that). OK, …. well what about the Christian Zionists’ heavy hearts, then? What are they to do with that heartfelt-condition that colors their entire lives? I guess they could deign to instead go Buddhist, …. but Buddhism ultimately counsels them to distrust and discount their ‘heavy heart’. So what else is there, for such a heart-centric person, in the west, to adhere to, then?

OK, … I hope you glean my implied meaning there: The Christian Zionists, because they want afterlife (like nearly everybody wants, apparently), …. but as well are ‘heavy-heart experiencers’, …. deign to believe their rotten and small-minded institutional church fathers (of all Christian denominations actually, as far as I am aware), …. that the magical Jews were first-informed about what is what around ‘God’ interface with humans, …. a template therefore that may be used to deal with their own personal heavy-hearted condition. Look, …. to these heavy-hearted Christian Zionists it is not the Judaic conception of ‘God’ that is the important feature of their faith, (the Christians sense is so convoluted no one really understands, …. Yahweh converted into the triune God, hahahaha!), …. no, …. what is important is that they now have a way to give fuller expression to their heavy-heartedness.

Coles Notes: I think perhaps you tend to like Evangelicals irl, as you say, because they indeed are people trying for ontological humility (but have not gone far enough, in that endeavor, … but at least it is a start). As such though, there indeed is more spiritual sophistication apparent, among Evangelicals and Christian Zionists of all denominational stripes, than you want to give credit for (i.e. – the heavy-heartedness). I get it, …. since October 7th I have had some convos with the more devout Christians of different kinds, …. and what I observe is that basically they have allowed themselves to see the Palestinians as sub-human (as per Jewish-media and general-Israeli counsel). This all, is going to ideologically break the current thread of Christian Zionism. And that is because of this simple existential fact:

It is unbelievably and astoundingly sinful to deign to see some others as sub-human, in order to protect your normalized wish for the afterlife. This existential fact will come to visit upon the Christian Zionist movement of the various stripes, … quite soon now, …. and will break it (the current Christian Zionist ordering), ….. yet this doesn’t mean the dissolution of the Christian Zionists, …. they will have to regroup (i.e. – because they still feel burdened with the heavy-heartedness for all the sins of the world), …. and as such we now have an opportunity here to instill real ontological humility into the culture (the full blown version, … not just a half-measure like now with the current Christian Zionists), …. the ‘real’ version goes like this: We humans are a species-collective that is lost in a vast sea of the unknown amidst the infinite backdrop of the unknowable, …. rendering us all as psychically-shocked personages, …. and this ‘shocking’ hurts (because it goes against our deep-felt wish for far more certainty than is actually available), …. and it is within this precise ‘shocking’ condition that we feel deep compassion for the same-said plight of all my human brethren. Nothing more is needed (than these realizations).

What I am saying is that to truly understand the Evangelicals, or the Christian Zionists (and I am talking about the regular congregation here, … not the church leaders, whom are mostly rotten, as far as I can tell) you must understand their heavy-heartedness, …. because they are onto something important, around that (they just didn’t go far enough with working out an ontological humility that truly gives full expression to this heavy-heartedness, and as such is not just a half-measure). The Christian Zionists are much more-so beholden to ‘human-heavy-heartedness’ than they are to any undying notions of ‘Jews are God’s Chosen People’ (despite the mostly rotten church leaders of all denominational stripes that always deign to refuse that ordering, among the flock in their congregations, …. making it out like that experienced heavy-heartedness among the congratulation is contingent upon seeing ‘Jews are God’s Chosen People’, ……hahahahahaha!, …. and some more hahahahahahaha!, …. these various church leaders are truly dreck, and should not be leading anybody, …including the fucking pope). Don’t mistake the church-going regular folk for their very flawed leadership, … is what I am saying (i.e. – regular Christians tend to understand that uncertainty must hugely feature, within their own personal conception of ‘faith’, … whereas the loons that get up at the pulpit in every church of every Christian denomination, …. twist this conception of ‘faith’ into a bad joke featuring huge but unwarranted certainty).

You seem to know a lot about this from personal experience, but for some reason you failed to stress the Zionist angle, which also goes back centuries (though it had another name before the 20th century).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism

Somewhere in the mish-mash, this was part of the founding doctrine of the Mormon church by Joseph Smith.

Seymour Hersh:

I consulted with an experienced American expert who believes that Netanyahu is obligated at this point to offer Hamas reasonable terms for surrender. He said the major elements should be:

—Surrender of Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar and his staff to the Israeli forces.

—Referral of the Hamas leadership to the International Criminal Court for trial.

—Full disarmament of Hamas.

—Release of all hostages in Hamas’s control and a full accounting of those who died in captivity.

The “American expert” would be a Yid, right.

https://open.substack.com/pub/seymourhersh/p/bidens-bibi-problem?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Reasonable?

5ds

Well, I’m definitely not an expert in running terrorist groups, but I really think any Al Qaeda plan to hijack a couple of commercial planes in the U.S. and fly them into two of the largest Manhattan skyscrapers would’ve required approval from bin Laden.

The official narrative is that bin Laden was the mastermind of the attacks. Truthers believe government officials at the highest level planned the attacks. They believe either Cheney and Rumsfeld, or Sharon and the Mossad leadership were the masterminds. So everybody agrees the top guys within some organization planned the attacks, so I don’t think 9/11 could’ve been a rogue, “compartmentalized” operation.

Dumping of a bunch of tea into Boston Harbor and Antifa rioting aren’t really analogous to 9/11. The 10/7 attack by Hamas is probably a good analogy – does anybody think it was planned without the highest level of Hamas’s involvement? I think all JFK conspiracy theorists believe the assassination was planned by the top leadership(s) of the CIA and/or organized crime and/or the Mossad. I think hugely consequential attacks and assassinations that are at all complex require approval from the top of some organizational hierarchy.

One would think that Bin Laden’s public statement was important enough that it would have been reported in some American MSM outlet.

There’s such a huge number of enormous holes in the official 9/11 narrative that each of us can simply pick which are the most important.

I think the entire 9/11 issue should be divided into two entirely separate pieces. The first question is whether the official story is false and the second is who was actually behind the attacks. Many people can fully agree about the first and then diverge on the second, which is why I’ve tried to usually segment my own analyses in that way.

Yes, the lack of reporting of bin Laden’s denial of responsibility suggests that bin Laden’s involvement was essential for the official narrative.

The 9/11 attacks took place in New York City. That massive city has produced zero trillion-dollar companies, but your small Palo Alto has produced four:

https://map.simonsarris.com/p/small-spaces

It has also produced American Pravda, which is worth a lot, but not a trillion dollars. It would be worth tens of billions if its contents went mainstream.

And maybe the best of these is that of Theodore Taylor, famous Nuclear Explosives Designer, who in 1973 told the world in the book by John McPhee, The Curve of Binding Energy, how the Twin Towers could be easily brought down by using a small-yield nuclear device, mounted in a shaped-charge form in the basements of each of the two buildings, pointed vertically up.

Some folks still seem to have trouble with that thesis, when Taylor, who was the most knowledgeable man of these things at the time, was NOT hesitant to put forth a very simple, but detailed plan, many times.

According to me Tablet and Abraham Wyner
are longstanding fakes. Whatever figures we

have from Gaza, those from Hamas would be
honest, if not exact, but would most certainly

be an under count. My estimate still one mill.

5ds

Matt Yglesias raises an important point about this time four years ago, when Corona had just become a national emergency:

We were all alive in March-April 2020, but I think few of us actually understand what happened — how did Trump end up instigating a social media rebellion against policies he initiated which in turn polarized liberals into becoming super-favorable to Covid restrictions?

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) March 15, 2024

If we accept that the Covid pandemic was started by members of the Trump Administration, like Pompeo or Bolton, then perhaps the reason for the reversal of the politics of Covid during spring 2020 becomes clear.

Initially, Trump thought it was a good idea to be tough on Covid, a virus that he thought originated in China, and favored quarantining NYC and the wearing of masks. But at this point, when it was clear that the virus was going to be as bad for America as it was supposed to be for China, maybe Pompeo or whoever became very nervous that they were going to be caught and then executed. They could’ve pushed Trump to be soft on Covid so that the economy would take less of a hit from lockdowns and also so that no one would ever suspect that members of Trump’s administration actually started the pandemic through a biowarfare attack. Then, liberals were negative polarized into supporting quarantines and masking, a reversal of their lackadaisical stance earlier on.

Fizzy-cyst Dovid writes (in relation to the 19 Muslims that were falsely accused of hijacking four aircraft on 9/11):

It was something like twenty guys, a few of whom learned some very, very basic flying skills (they did not learn how to land!) and who managed to get through lax security at Logan, Newark, and Dulles.

Dovid Miller writes this despite the info I posted in an earlier comment that emphatically demonstrated that THERE IS NO PROOF THAT A SINGLE ONE OF THOSE 19 INDIVIDUALS BOARDED ANY OF THOSE FOUR AIRCRAFT.

Moreover, SEVEN (7) of them were still alive after 9/11.

These anomalies do not concern Dovid Miller. His handlers have instructed him to repeat OVER and OVER, the official narrative.
Similarly in the case of Third Reich Germany when he writes:

And the monster Hitler sadly survived the 20 July attempt to take him out.

Of course, any objective assessment of WWII atrocities will show clearly that the Anglo-Zionist empire committed BY FAR the most egregious crimes (both quantitatively and qualitatively).
Dovid Miller does occasionally give FDR and Winston Spendthrift Churchill a rap on the knuckles and say they were flawed individuals, but he will NEVER say that they were the stand-out war criminals of WWII.

Dovid Miller does it once again when he speaks of: ‘Tim McVeigh blowing up the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City?’

Anyone who has looked into that event will know that McVeigh was a patsy, who had nothing to do with the destruction of that building.
The blowing up of the Murrah Bldg was yet another ZOG orchestrated crime, intended to be blamed on Iraq, and used as a pretext for military intervention.
There is a deluge of evidence that shows McVeigh did not blow up the Murrah Building (no truck/van parked in front of the building could have caused that type of damage – explosives were pre-planted INSIDE the building).
But, for those of you that are (like Dovid Miller) completely clueless about this ZOG orchestrated False Flag, I urge you to take the time to watch this video about a brave Oklahoma policeman that was murdered because he found out the truth about what occurred that day:

The video is called ‘Requiem for the Suicided: Terrance Yeakey’ and the caption below the clip reads:

In this edition we turn the focus of our open source investigation to Sgt. Terrance Yeakey, one of the first responder heroes at the scene of the OKC bombing who discovered something that conflicted with the official story of the bombing…something that cost him his life.

Dovid says the things that he does because his handlers in Herzliya (in Occupied Palestine) have handed him a script. And that script says: ‘Keep repeating the lie over and over’.
With enough repetition the non-critical thinkers will end up believing it.

And so it has come to pass, as people like Colin Wrong still keeps bleating the party line. ie: that Al Qaeda orchestrated 9/11 and that the Holohoax* occurred.
(*Colin Wrong no doubt still believes that a significant subset of Jewry were turned into lampshades and soap during that ZOG orchestrated conflict).

Chebyshev wrote to me:

I think all JFK conspiracy theorists believe the assassination was planned by the top leadership(s) of the CIA and/or organized crime and/or the Mossad.

That is indeed probably what they think.

That does not mean that what they think has any connection to reality.

“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”

Cheb also wrote:

Well, I’m definitely not an expert in running terrorist groups, but I really think any Al Qaeda plan to hijack a couple of commercial planes in the U.S. and fly them into two of the largest Manhattan skyscrapers would’ve required approval from bin Laden.

Well, it is very, very nice that you “really think” that.

The mere fact that you “really think” something is is not evidence.

One of the things that goes on in talking with you conspiracy theorists is that you claim that you “really think” something and then seem to believe that the fact that you “really think” that means that sane people are obligated to to prove you wrong.

Proof to your satisfaction.

You are mistaken.

We sane folks have no obligation of any sort to prove anything to your satisfaction.

You guys are the ones who are trying to convince us of something. We are not trying to convince you.

I am a lifelong connoisseur of cults — from Christian fundamentalists to Scientolo0gists to Mormons to Young Earth Creationists to 911 Truthers.

I know that I could spend every minute of every day for the rest of my life proving that one claim after another made by some particular cultist is false.

And yet it would make no difference.

Look, for example, at “Truth Vigilante”: he made the following accusation against me (see here) in which he claims that I have:

been shunned by fellow academics because he has a history of peddling junk science/been a serial offender in falsifying data etc,

Truth Vigilante does not even pretend to have any evidence that I have been viewed by any academics at all as being guilty of “falsifying data.”

And indeed, Truth Vigilante could not have such evidence: anyone can look at my Ph.D. thesis, available online, and see that I was not reporting on data I had taken myself. I was evaluating data reported by experimentalists and comparing that data to theoretical predictions. I had no opportunity to falsify data even had I wanted to.

And this pathological liar’s response when I point that he is quite obviously lying? He responds (see here):

This is the third or fourth time Fizzy-cyst Dovid has whined about the exposure of his less-than-illustrious tenure at Sanford and Son university.
UR readers, I ask you this, if the allegations had no merit, of course Fizzy Dov would ignore them and not make an issue out of it.

But it really gets under his skin. The fact that he could be exposed as an academic fraud has entailed many a sleepless night.

Again, note: he does not claim to have any evidence.

Instead, he explains that “UR readers” should believe him, because it does annoy me to have someone blatantly libel me in this way!

Because, I suppose, an innocent person would not be annoyed by being blatantly libeled?

The important point here is that this does not cause the 911 Truthers here to dismiss Truth Vigilante as the obvious pathologically lying thug that he is.

He continues to get approval.

You see my point?

This matter with Truth Vigilante is open and shut.

But it makes no difference.

There is no possibility at all — absolutely zero — of getting cultists like 911 Truthers to behave honestly.

You and I have discussed the issue of Evangelicals and the fact that the Bible is obviously not literally, word for word, true: for example, the genealogies of Jesus in Matthew and Luke blatantly and bizarrely contradict each other.

I have pointed this out to fundamentalists: it makes no difference.

Just like with 911 Truthers.

In both cases, what they care about is their self-image and their self-identification as members of some supposedly elite group.

It goes back to my favorite quote from Vonnegut:

And here, according to Trout, was the reason human beings could not reject ideas because they were bad: “Ideas on Earth were badges of friendship or enmity. Their content did not matter. Friends agreed with friends, in order to express friendliness. Enemies disagreed with enemies, in order to express enmity.

“The ideas Earthlings held didn’t matter for hundreds of thousands of years, since they couldn’t do much about them anyway. Ideas might as well be badges as anything.

“They even had a saying about the futility of ideas: ‘If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.’

“And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense or decency or self-preservation, but for friendliness.

“Earthlings went on being friendly, when they should have been thinking instead. And even when they built computers to do some thinking for them, they designed them not so much for wisdom as for friendliness. So they were doomed. Homicidal beggars could ride.”

Yes, that is what Sceintology and Young Earth Creationism and Mormonism and fundamentalism and, yes, the 911 Truthers are: groups whose beliefs are badges of group identity.

Anyone here want to prove me wrong?

Show me all the 911 Truthers willing to denounce Truth Vigilante for the obvious pathological liar that he is.

Is there even one 911 Truther here willing to do that?

Even one?

Dave Miller in Sacramento

Our Hitler -lover (see here) Truth Vigilante wrote to me:

Fizzy-cyst Dovid writes (in relation to the 19 Muslims that were falsely accused of hijacking four aircraft on 9/11):

It was something like twenty guys, a few of whom learned some very, very basic flying skills (they did not learn how to land!) and who managed to get through lax security at Logan, Newark, and Dulles.

Dovid Miller writes this despite the info I posted in an earlier comment that emphatically demonstrated that THERE IS NO PROOF THAT A SINGLE ONE OF THOSE 19 INDIVIDUALS BOARDED ANY OF THOSE FOUR AIRCRAFT.

Moreover, SEVEN (7) of them were still alive after 9/11.

Well, that would be something if you had actual evidence for that!

Don’t you think that maybe some media outlet not controlled by the Deep State — say al-Jazeera or rt.com or The Grayzone or Tucker — might have published that evidence if it really existed?

But it is just one more of your lies, isn’t it?

I want to remind everyone that you made the following maliciously false accusation against me (see here) in which you claimed that I have:

been shunned by fellow academics because he has a history of peddling junk science/been a serial offender in falsifying data etc,

But you have not even pretended to have any evidence that I have been viewed by any academics at all as being guilty of “falsifying data”!

And your response when I pointed that you are quite obviously lying? You said (see here):

This is the third or fourth time Fizzy-cyst Dovid has whined about the exposure of his less-than-illustrious tenure at Sanford and Son university.
UR readers, I ask you this, if the allegations had no merit, of course Fizzy Dov would ignore them and not make an issue out of it.

But it really gets under his skin. The fact that he could be exposed as an academic fraud has entailed many a sleepless night.

Again, you do not even claim to have any evidence.

Instead, you claim that “UR readers” should believe you, because it does indeed annoy me to have someone blatantly libel me in this way!

Because, I suppose, an innocent person would not be annoyed by being blatantly libeled?

But I gotta admit: you certainly have your fellow 911 Truthers pegged!

Because not a one has been willing to denounce you as the obvious pathological liar that you are. Despite the fact that the proof is beyond dispute.

Because they are all pathetically evil members of a cult.

Oh, my friend, you guys are indeed the Mother Lode, a priceless vein of psychotic cultists!

I could not have asked for specimens in my ongoing study of human psychopathology as rewarding as all of you!

Beware the Ides of March!

Your friendly neighborhood Illuminatus,

Dave Miller in Sacramento

Brás Cubas wrote to me:

You seem to know a lot about this from personal experience, but for some reason you failed to stress the Zionist angle, which also goes back centuries (though it had another name before the 20th century).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism

Oh, I have mentioned that in other comments (see here for example), specifically Shlomo Sand’s detailed discussion in his books. As the Wikipedia article you link to notes, this has been a subject of extensive and detailed scholarship, with a number of scholarly books on the subject, even more than the extensive list in Wikipedia.

For example, Wikipedia does not even mention Philosemitism in History, edited by Karp and Sutcliffe, which I was recently perusing.

But I just can’t mention everything in every comment! Each comment would end up being a hundred thousand words!

Dave

For Catholics: Vatican I and II are dead. Vatican II was a gnostic council and published error and JP IIs Catechism published error thus nullifying Vatican I.

Vatican I & II are dead, the proof:
https://www.academia.edu/114768631/

It is all pretty bad. But on the good side–union with the Orthodox and reunion with the Old Catholics will be possible now!

Asad Abukhalil crushed it on Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher in fall of 2001. He argued against blaming Muslims for 9/11 as well as against the Afghanistan War and U.S. sanctions on Iraq.

https://pumpkinperson.com/2021/05/31/the-iq-of-asad-abukhalil/

I just have an innate hatred of lies.

It puzzles me that most people don’t.

I’d say I hate conscious lies, calculated to deceive. In fact, they infuriate me.

But I see someone like Truth Vigilante as more incapable of distinguishing between what he would like to be true and what is true than anything else; I think he sincerely believes what whatever it is he’s saying when he says it. At worst, in the heat of the fray he just starts slinging whatever abuse comes to hand without regard to whether it’s factual or even plausible.

That sort of thing is more exasperating than infuriating; infuriating is like when Israel claims it is striving to minimize civilian casualties.

‘What I found particularly striking and suspicious was that Bin Laden almost immediately denied that he’d had anything to do with the 9/11 Attacks…’

I didn’t find it either striking or suspicious.

If I have the sequence of events right, the situation immediately after 9/11 was that Osama bin Laden had taken refuge in Afghanistan, and Afghanistan took the position that we hadn’t proven he was responsible for the attacks — so they weren’t going to turn him over.

Obviously, if that ploy was to work, Osama bin Laden would have had to deny any involvement in the attacks. It wouldn’t have done at all for him to then insist he had mounted the attacks. Given such a statement, Afghanistan would logically have had to wash their hands of him.

“But some people cannot accept contingency.

And so they need something else. They need the world to have a coherence that it does not in fact have.”

Mmmm. Are you arguing against some sense of ‘conservation of coherence’, within human affairs (i.e. – what do you mean, precisely, by ‘contingency’?). Assuming you meant the usual, by ‘contigency’, …. that would be a crazy stance for a physicist to take – no? Maybe you should change your knee-jerk critical responsorial psalm from ‘things, over words’ (as directed to those you disagree with) to ‘meaning, over things’. After all, … that is indeed what you physicists are attempting to do (by way of deep dives into said coherence, that we do indeed, find all around us, all the time), … and we salute you on that front, … but jeez, … don’t fucking play low-ball with us, by way of that dis-respect then offered (what is allowed for you is not allowed for us, to your mind, it seems), …. respect is a two-way street.

People that have managed to ‘change the world’ (as you say), … that action didn’t just happen by accident. This weak signal of coherence is real, …. that a minority of people with clear insights often do see things quite differently than the officious cultural version, …. and usually are flummoxed by this dynamic, …. causing them, generally, to stand-down mostly, on any existential type action (like an assassination, let’s say), that they may be contemplating, ….. but yet by way of action of ‘large numbers’ (many, many, many individual humans), …. you cannot say that this weak signal is an illusion, ….. it indeed does make itself overt, very very occasionally within overall human affairs. It is odd that you seem to discount this ‘cultural weak-signal coherence’, which is obvious (to my mind, anyways).

[NB: My first attempt to post this comment ran into database error, so I’m trying again with my apology if it turns out to be a duplicate]

PhysicistDave wrote:

Anyone here want to prove me wrong?

Show me all the 911 Truthers willing to denounce Truth Vigilante for the obvious pathological liar that he is.

Is there even one 911 Truther here willing to do that?

Even one?

Obviously, you haven’t taken part in very many of the 9/11 or COVID discussions at Unz Review, or you wouldn’t even ask this question.

First, let me say that, In general, I prefer to discuss facts, not people.

But just for your edification, I’ve had to call TV “a lying sack of shit,” on several occasions after he posted a video of some guy claiming it was I.

Sparkon says:
September 3, 2022 at 8:11 pm GMT • 1.6 years ago ↑
@Truth Vigilante

This makes the third time you have posted that video to make false accusations against me, you lying sack of shit.

By again making this false accusation, you prove only that you are a desperate and despicable low-life.

https://www.unz.com/kbarrett/9-11-jfk-covid-holocaust-will-americans-be-the-last-to-know-that-their-leaders-are-criminally-insane/?showcomments#comment-5526048

That comment got me a “Troll” tag from Iris, btw.

Sparkon says:
December 22, 2022 at 6:07 pm GMT • 1.2 years ago ↑
@Truth Vigilante

otherwise I’ll trot out that video of yours taken in a Walmart where you’re taking photos of minors.

You persist in telling this idiotic lie, as if to underscore the fact that you’re an Internet crank, and a lying sack of shit, to boot.

https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-jfk-assassination-and-the-covid-cover-up/?showcomments#comment-5719492

Another one:

https://www.unz.com/kbarrett/why-chomsky-is-wrong-about-9-11/#comment-5846797

Will you now acknowledge, Physicist Dave, that you’ve been proven wrong?

~

Back to 9/11. You’ve written a lot of rather boastful words here, but not a single word in reply to my 1,300 word comment #154, above, where I began

There were no hijacked jetliners that crashed anywhere on September 11, 2001.

So now, the ball’s in your court, Dave.

Greetings, Dave,

I hope this comment finds you well.

I do remember reports at the time (September 2001) of some of the alleged hijackers (four of them if memory serves) being alive after the event. These stories were not widely publicized at the time, though they were not difficult to find either. Here is one such example…

Hijack ‘suspects’ alive and well

Whether these are cases of mistaken identity, a part of some nefarious scheme, or just plain old incompetence, I have no idea. Perhaps it’s just confusion due to the hysteria surrounding the event.(?)

I do know that the official narrative has a foul stench…

FBI Bin Laden Wanted Poster

I hope you have a great weekend, Dave!

☮

‘…I just have an innate hatred of lies.

It puzzles me that most people don’t.’

To expand on this a bit further — and to tie it into my response to Evangelicals…

I don’t see religious faith as a lie; it certainly doesn’t infuriate me. I consistently find the various sets of tenets implausible; but others obviously do not. If they are ‘lying,’ they’re doing an awfully good job of it. I just find their conviction at best understandable if mistaken, and at worst simply incomprehensible.

I leave it at that. It’s like the obvious love the world prior to about 1900 had for poetry — bits aside, I can’t really share it, but I don’t think on that account that everyone up to our era was lying.

As I already said, there are lies, and there are mistaken beliefs. Newton was wrong about physics — but he wasn’t ‘lying.’ Nor was Aristotle — who was really mistaken — ‘lying.’ It would merely appear they were wrong, that’s all.

The distinction can be extended to 9/11 Truthers and even Holocaust Deniers. Without going further, suffice it to say that my opinion is that they are wrong — but I don’t see them as ‘lying,’ nor do I find their statements infuriating. More exasperating — again as I said. Such fallacies get in the way of a useful discussion of what occurred.

If I have the sequence of events right, the situation immediately after 9/11 was that Osama bin Laden had taken refuge in Afghanistan, and Afghanistan took the position that we hadn’t proven he was responsible for the attacks — so they weren’t going to turn him over.

Obviously, if that ploy was to work, Osama bin Laden would have had to deny any involvement in the attacks. It wouldn’t have done at all for him to then insist he had mounted the attacks. Given such a statement, Afghanistan would logically have had to wash their hands of him.

Your memory of that period is definitely better than mine, but I thought the main value of the attacks from bin Laden’s perspective, besides the destruction of the WTC and the loss of so many American lives, was that they would provoke the U.S. to enter into a costly quagmire-war in Asia. If that was bin Laden’s motive, and he was hiding in a cave in rural Afghanistan, then he would’ve accepted responsibility for the attacks and as a result would’ve given the U.S. a good reason to invade Afghanistan.

Did the Afghan government even know where bin Laden was or have the ability to go capture him? It took an elite Navy SEAL unit to eventually go and kill him almost a decade later.

Wait a minute:

Didn’t he die in France 10 years BEFORE 9/11 of Kidney failure?

Just imagine what would occur if ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, FOX, et al, would just air the footage of Just Pull It! by LuckyLarry Silvertongue? On prime time? And, again on the weekend?

Did the girl in St. Louis, who had her head smacked against the concrete by a 15 YO Diverse Being, who are the Jew’s greatest strength, and battering rams, get national MSM coverage? Did Channon Christian? Did George Floyd? Who decides what news is fit to print?

“The First Amendment is not absolute because a bunch of White Goyim had the audacity to flee judaized England, and feudalism, too, do all the heavy lifting, and then bothered to create the Bill of Rights without regard to – is it (will it be) good for the Jews?! But, it’s ok because we’ll use the Freedom of Religion, and All Men Were Created Equal mumbo-jumbo clauses, as a shield against any criticism of Jewry and the World Cattle Pen to Come prophesy.” – US Representative, Dan Goldman (not a Goy), defending legacy Americans, first and foremost. (Perhaps I paraphrased, but I just know I’m not inaccurate)

Colin Wright wrote to me:

I don’t see religious faith as a lie; it certainly doesn’t infuriate me. I consistently find the various sets of tenets implausible; but others obviously do not. If they are ‘lying,’ they’re doing an awfully good job of it. I just find their conviction at best understandable if mistaken, and at worst simply incomprehensible.

I myself have had several members of the clergy confess to me personally that they knew that what they were telling their congregations was false.

You may not like to call that “lying,” but I think that is what the ordinary word in English does mean.

And my own experience in this is not unusual: see, for example, the book by retired United Churhc of Christ pastor Jack Good, The Dishonest Church: he gives evidence from the inside.

And similarly for the second edition of Caught in the Pulpit: Leaving Belief Behind by Daniel Dennett and Linda LaScola.

Yes, they are indeed lying, and, to use your words, “they’re doing an awfully good job of it.” It’s their source of income.

As to the people in the pews… have you ever tried to point out to any of those who claim to believe in the literal, word-for-word truth of the Bible the obvious contradictions between, say, the genealogies in Matthew and Luke?

They do not react well. I think that level of dishonesty counts as lying.

Colin also wrote:

The distinction can be extended to 9/11 Truthers and even Holocaust Deniers. Without going further, suffice it to say that my opinion is that they are wrong — but I don’t see them as ‘lying,’ nor do I find their statements infuriating.

Have you read my repeated posts above directly quoting Truth Vigilante’s claims about me — that I engaged in “falsifying data” in the academic world?

He does not pretend to have any evidence at all of this — he is just lying.

And I have had numerous other experiences of the same sort with these guys. As far as I can tell, to a man, they are psychotic pathological liars.

You are an easy-going guy who would prefer just to block all the liars like Truth Vigilante rather than come our and call them what they are.

Fine — your choice.

Nonetheless, it is most assuredly true that a lot of Christian preachers — again, some have confessed this to me personally — are knowingly and intentionally lying. And the same is provably true for Truth Vigilante and his ilk.

We can debate what fraction of both groups are liars. But a significant fraction certainly and provably are.

Read Jack Good’s book. And look at my posts directly quoting Truth Vigilante’s knowing and intentional libels against me.

Sorry, but facts are what they are.

Dave

‘…You are an easy-going guy who would prefer just to block all the liars like Truth Vigilante rather than come our and call them what they are…’

It’s all relative, I suppose. In the extra-Unz Review world, I’m generally not regarded as easy going.

Around here? It appears to be a different story.

In any case, you have to take a utilitarian view of these things. Don’t you think there must be better uses for your time than jousting with Truth Vigilante? I doubt if anyone even reads those exchanges other than you and ‘Truth.’

‘Truth’ spews a lot of crap; you become infuriated. I, for one, gather that as I scan over it. Think anyone is reading them more carefully?

What, then, is the point? I mean, there are people you could have more useful exchanges with.

‘…We can debate what fraction of both groups are liars. But a significant fraction certainly and provably are.’

And the majority almost necessarily are not. If they were, the various faiths would collapse of their own weight. For whatever reason, most involved with religions either believe, need to believe, or at least need to tell themselves they believe.

Hell, maybe they’re right. It’s possible. In any case, it’s a different matter than me telling you that I am striving to avoid killing civilians when I just announced food distribution points and then targeted those who showed up.

There are erroneous beliefs, and there are deliberate attempts to deceive. Even among our Zionists, perhaps one reason I cannot get too angry with Fran Taubman is that I think she really does believe her own bullshit. JackD et al, on the other hand, make statements that they must know are false and/or misleading. They make them intending to deceive and mislead me.

There is a distinction.

‘Did the Afghan government even know where bin Laden was or have the ability to go capture him? It took an elite Navy SEAL unit to eventually go and kill him almost a decade later.’

There was something screwy about all that. I’m not sure just what the truth was — but I don’t find the official story all that credible.

Colin Wright wrote to me:

In any case, you have to take a utilitarian view of these things. Don’t you think there must be better uses for your time than jousting with Truth Vigilante? I doubt if anyone even reads those exchanges other than you and ‘Truth.’

‘Truth’ spews a lot of crap; you become infuriated.

Me? Infuriated?

Nah — I’m enjoying it!

You seem not to believe that I really am using these guys as lab specimens.

But I am.

After I finish my book on General Relativity, I really am considering writing a book on the social and historical ramifications of human psychopathology.

And, as I keep saying, I have never in my life seen this level of concentration of psychotics in one single place.

Absolutely priceless! A true Mother Lode of human psychopathology.

You don’t share my interest in this? Cool.

You probably do not share my interest in General Relativity, either.

But I truly am fascinated by this subject and always have been, since I was a young kid.

I have always been a true connoisseur of cults, going back to my days in grade school.

Different people just have different interests, eh?

Perhaps you are interested in craft beers and collegiate football, neither of which holds the slightest interest for me.

“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”

Logically, I find that unconvincing. It presupposes that our initial assumptions are probably correct.

Is that really the case? Wouldn’t your first impressions be that the world is flat, that the sun circles the earth, that a rocket couldn’t fly in a vacuum, and no doubt more?

So why should ‘extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence’? What makes ‘ordinary claims’ more likely to be true? After all, as it has turned out, they’re often not.

The ball isn’t in your court, because there is no ball here to play with. Just nonsense.

Your reading comprehension is none too good. I said the ball was in Dave’s court, but perhaps it’s an English language idiom you don’t understand. Apparently Ron Unz doesn’t understand it either.

It means I’ve issued a challenge to “PhysicistDave,” who obviously has neither the self-respect nor integrity to admit he was wrong about 9/11 Truthers calling out TV, just as he’s wrong about 9/11.

Someone gathered 50 videos showing the airplane hit the south tower.

Did you know that NIST had those videos for nine years? Did you know it is not very difficult to create fake videos from as many points as you like with CGI. Did you know we’ve been over all this before numerous times here at UR?

Did you notice that I’m not Jon Revusky?

Videos are easy to fake, but even 50 fake videos do not add up to a single shred of authentic crash wreckage.

But you got a gold box and praise from Unz, so there’s that.

Colin Wright wrote to me:

[Dave] ‘…We can debate what fraction of both groups are liars. But a significant fraction certainly and provably are.’

[Colin] And the majority almost necessarily are not. If they were, the various faiths would collapse of their own weight.

Which is what has happened to Christianity in Europe and what is now happening in the United States.

I won’t again repost my favorite quote from Vonnegut that I posted above: if you didn’t read it, you might use ctrl-F to find it.

But that quote is my central point. The tl;dr version, in Vonnegut’s words:

“Ideas on Earth were badges of friendship or enmity. Their content did not matter. Friends agreed with friends, in order to express friendliness. Enemies disagreed with enemies, in order to express enmity.”

For most human beings, beliefs are badges of group identity.

When I was a kid, my parents insisted that I would go to Hell unless I gave assent to their crack-pot religious views — the literal truth of the Bible, the Resurrection of Jesus, and all the rest.

Decades later, when I spoke to them as adults, they both admitted, independently (they were then divorced), that they knew the Virgin Birth did not really occur.

So, why when I was a kid did they threaten me with eternal Hellfire if I did not assent to the beliefs of the church they attended. Because beliefs were badges of group identity.

And I was refusing to conform to the group, refusing to demonstrate my fealty by assenting to beliefs that were clearly false.

Of course, naively earnest child that I was, I didn’t get it. I thought I should simply try to figure out what was really true.

For many years, I honestly wondered why most of the guys in my Sunday-School class, many of whom were actually quite bright, did assent to these crack-pot beliefs.

Believe it or not, it was only decades later that I finally realized that most of those guys didn’t really care whether the beliefs were true or not: everyone wanted you to say you believed it, and so it was just easier to go along to get along.

I think that is dishonest. You probably don’t.

You raised the utilitarian issue. Well, I am not a utilitarian: I do not think that truth requires a utilitarian justification.

But, if you want to consider utilitarian issues, in fact it is this human willingness to espouse beliefs that are obvious nonsense, simply to show loyalty to the group, that contributes to most of the truly horrendous crimes of the last century.

Including the ongoing genocide in Gaza to which you allude.

Again, quoting from Vonnegut:

“And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense or decency or self-preservation, but for friendliness.

“Earthlings went on being friendly, when they should have been thinking instead. And even when they built computers to do some thinking for them, they designed them not so much for wisdom as for friendliness. So they were doomed. Homicidal beggars could ride.”

The old boy had a point, didn’t he?

I am inclined to think that, in the long run, pretty much the only thing that matters for the long-term future of humanity is simply telling the truth.

“Live not by lies.”

Greetings, Mr. Unz,

I remember the news at the time reporting that Bin Laden denied involvement in the attacks. (It was reported quietly, but it was reported.) Here’s an example dated September 17, 2001…

Bin Laden says he wasn’t behind attacks

I always found it odd that people didn’t know of his denial. It’s like no one was paying attention.

☮

The whole purpose of a terrorist attack to to demonstrate that a small organization can inflict serious damage upon a powerful country, and not taking any credit for the attack defeats that purpose.

If bin Laden orchestrated 9/11, then he would’ve wanted credit for himself and for his organization for what he would’ve thought was a good deed. Also, according to the Wikipedia page for the Afghanistan War, the standard narrative is that bin Laden sought to provoke a war between the U.S. and Afghanistan, but if that’s true, then it makes zero sense that he denied responsibility for the attacks, because as it says in the article, the reason for the war was bin Laden’s involvement in the attacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%932021)#September_11_attacks

Sparkon wrote to me:

Will you now acknowledge, Physicist Dave, that you’ve been proven wrong?

Nope.

I pointed out that the 911 Truth movement was a cult whose members are reluctant to denounce all the other cult members as the pathological liars they all are.

I wrote:

Yes, that is what Sceintology and Young Earth Creationism and Mormonism and fundamentalism and, yes, the 911 Truthers are: groups whose beliefs are badges of group identity.

Anyone here want to prove me wrong?

Show me all the 911 Truthers willing to denounce Truth Vigilante for the obvious pathological liar that he is.

Is there even one 911 Truther here willing to do that? Even one?

I asked to see “911 Truthers willing to denounce Truth Vigilante.”

I am glad that you are one.

Where are all the others?

And I was specifically addressing Truth Vigilante’s bizarre and obviously false libel of me. That is open and shut — I do not see that you have yet denounced him for doing that — perhaps you now will?

Do you think most of the other 911 Truthers here will?

That is my point.

Yeah, I have seen you guys going after each other hammer and tongs, which is quite common in terms of internal spats within cults. But you tend to band together against outsiders who point out the truth about the cult as a whole – again, typical of cults.

One of the things I have noticed is that a lot of the 911 Truthers here who are willing to go after each other seem to be more reluctant to go after Truth Vigilante. Perhaps because he is such a vicious liar.

Sparkon also wrote:

You’ve written a lot of rather boastful words here, but not a single word in reply to my 1,300 word comment #154, above, where I began
There were no hijacked jetliners that crashed anywhere on September 11, 2001.

I actually do have a life — I have other things to do!

As I have said many, many times, I have never taken on the responsibility to refute every single claim made by you 911 Truthers. I could spend every minute of every day for the rest of my life trying to do so, and it would just be a waste of time — you guys are a cult.

And, as a life-long connoisseur of cults, I know how cults work: presenting evidence simply does not matter.

Let’s be clear: you guys want to convince me and people like me.

But I lack the desire to convince you.

I most assuredly do not want someone like Truth Vigilante on my side! He claims, after all, to be an admirer of Hitler. How would it help me in any way to have him on my side on anything at all?

I got involved in this discussion because, last summer, Ron specifically asked my opinion about Gaffney’s crack-pot nuclear-explosion claims. I replied out of respect for Ron. Prior to last summer, I had really not paid much attention to 911 Truthers at all.

But, then, after Ron solicited my opinion, I became intrigued, as a student of psychopathology, by the level of psychosis exhibited by the 911 Truthers here: as I have said, you guys on this site are the richest vein of psychopathology, a veritable Mother Lode, I have ever seen!

Since you ask about your lengthy post above:

Look: there are two sets of arguments made by you 911 Truthers:

A) Specific claims relating to physics, which is my own area of expertise, such as the nuclear-explosion nonsense, the idiotic claim by Truth Vigilante et al. that gravity-driven collapse violates Newton’s Third Law, the claim that the airplanes were holograms, etc.

B) Claims such as you made above of a stupendously large conspiracy involving fake “live” television broadcasts, claims that the passenger lists of the four flights were all fakes, etc.

The type of claims I mentioned under “A” I know for certain to be false: I actually know the underlying principles of physics. None of the 911 Truthers here do. They are wrong.

As to the type “B” sort of claims that you made in your post above…

Occam’s razor.

One of my college friends, Dr.Bryan Jack, died when Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

Is Bryan still alive and hiding out somewhere? Sorry, I knew him and I don’t believe it.

Did they grab Bryan before he boarded the plane and then kill him and all the other purported passengers?

More complicated, a lot more complicated, than the official story.

And the supposed fake TV broadcasts?

On a sunny weekday morning, there are always thousands of tourists wandering around that section of Manhattan Island: on several separate occasions I have been among them, over five decades. Those tourists often were gawking upward at the Twin Towers: again, I have been among those doing the gawking.

If the planes did not in fact hit the Twin Towers, thousands of tourists would be able to testify to that fact.

How then have all those tourists been silenced?

Ron Unz has pointed out various loose ends that he thinks are important — bin Laden initially denying responsibility, etc.

There are always loose ends.

Have you ever heard a dog barking in the middle of the night? Did you always run out to investigate immediately?

If you didn’t, it was a “loos end” — you never knew for sure why the dog barked.

Hey — maybe it was aliens landing in your neighbor’s yard! Maybe your neighbors were picked up and given the famous alien rectal exam and then had their memories wiped so that they cannot recall it!

Or just maybe the dog just saw a squirrel or a cat or the moon came out from behind a cloud and the dog decided to yowl… or whatever.

Which is more likely?

Occam’s razor.

You guys take little unexplained loose ends — which always exist in any event involving human beings — but then you refuse to consider all the possible, simple, mundane explanations for those little loose ends.

In summary, here is the situation:

I. There is a huge amount of open lying and outright idiocy on the part of 911 Truthers, and most of you are unwilling to denounce and ostracize the liars, con artists, and outright fools — admittedly, that would mean getting rid of most members of your movement!

II. A number of claims have been made that violate very basic principles of physics — the nuclear-explosion nonsense, the idiocy about Newton’s Third Law, the planes-as-holograms claim, etc. — that alienate anyone who is scientifically literate.

III. As there always are in the course of human events, there are various unexplained loose ends. But guys like you in your post above, rather than looking for obvious plausible explanations of those loose ends (e.g., bin Laden lied in initially denying involvement) invent enormously convoluted, hugely implausible, and clearly unnecessary explanations to “explain” those loose ends. About as big a violation of Occam’s razor as I have ever seen!

IV. And, most amazingly, when guys like me or Colin or niceland point out any of the above, we are told we must be lying, we can’t possibly believe what we say, we would believe if only we delved in deeper, etc.

And it is point IV which is the surest sign of a cult: you guys just cannot believe that sensible people consider points I, II, and III to be the actual reasons we do not accept your claims.

Can you yourself grasp this?

No, I guess you can’t, because, if you could, you would start to be skeptical of the claims of the cult.

And, in a cult, beliefs are badges of group identity. To understand what I am saying here would mean that you were giving up your sense of self that involves your being a 911 Truther.

And that, I imagine, you cannot do.

Ron Unz wrote to me:

[Dave] “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”

[Ron Unz] Actually, that’s the point. There’s an absolute mountain of powerful evidence regarding both the JFK Assassination and the 9/11 Attacks, though admittedly much of it is obscured by the more foolish or implausible theories that conspiracy-activists have overlaid on top of it.

Ron, the problem is that whenever I ask any 9/11 Truther for their best evidence — including, I am afraid you (yes, I know it would probably be unfair to label you an actual member of their movement) — the evidence just does not hold up.

For example, in this thread, you have made a big deal of the MSM failing to report that bin Laden initially denied involvement.

But, as Adam Smith pointed out above, they did report it — and I myself do in fact remember those media reports. Because of that, for quite a while, I was skeptical that al Qaeda did it: I still think it may have been a cell only nominally connected to al Qaeda — underground movements often work that way.

And you have asked why bin Laden might initially have lied.

And the answer is that there are lots of plausible answers to that question, some that have been offered here, that are more in accord with Occam’s razor than crack-pot theories about nuclear explosions or planes-as-holograms or that gravity-driven collapse violates Newton’s Third Law.

For example, when I pointed out that perhaps al Qaeda was sufficiently decentralized that bin Laden actually did not know about the attack in advance, I was told that the exploit was far too complex to have been planned by nineteen guys.

Why? Some guys took a few flying lessons, and then took advantage of loose security and some primitive weapons to hijack some planes.

Anyone who remembers the spate of hijackings back in the ’70s knows that guys a lot less sophisticated than these guys pulled off similar hijackings! (Remember D. B. Cooper?)

And, again, my understanding is that al Qaeda is indeed decentralized.

Or perhaps for his own reasons, bin Laden just plain lied. People do that, you know, often for inscrutable reasons, especially murderers.

Occam’s razor.

Similarly, you stated above:

I’ll just mention one item. The hijackers were allegedly fanatic Islamicists who were followers of Bin Laden, and they’d lived in Florida for something like six months before the attacks. Yet when an investigative journalist went down there and talked with the locals, he found the hijackers had all been heavily involved in drinking alcohol, using drugs, eating pork, and spending time in strip-joints or with prostitutes. That’s hardly typical behavior for fanatic Islamic fundamentalists.

Your lack of experience with fervent religious believers is really showing here! When it comes to religious believers, I am afraid that you are a bit like an anthropologist who relies on reports from tourists instead of doing actual fieldwork.

I grew up among people who claimed to believe that every word in the Bible was the Word of God. But Jesus said to turn the other cheek, to give all you had to the poor, etc.

And everyone in the church my family attended would have viewed anyone who actually behaved that way not simply as bonkers but as grossly irresponsible.

And the church strongly disapproved of smoking and drinking: you want to know how many of the congregants did drink or smoke anyway?

Human beings are hypocrites. Sad but true. And the 9/11 terrorists probably thought that martyrdom would make up for a bit of illicit partying!

You also stated above:

It also seems *extremely* suspicious that all their eyewitness testimony was left out of the official NIST report and was only later discovered through FOIA filings.

But it is the easiest thing in the world to explain. Maybe someone was just lazy. Maybe someone just forgot — these are government bureaucrats, you know!

Or, frankly, if I had written the report, I would have thought that stating that one individual heard sharp, loud noises that sounded similar to an explosion was actually better than talking about 150 people.

NIST admitted the loud, sharp sound occurred. One witness was enough, if they agreed that witness reported honestly. Mentioning 150 witnesses would just muddy the waters: a critic could say, “How do you know it was 150 and not 153? 150 sounds like a suspiciously rounded number!”

Which of these is the correct answer? I don’t know and I don’t need to know — all of them are more plausible than some grand conspiracy theory!

I hope you read my reply to Sparkon above: I do not want to waste space by reposting everything I said there, but I will repeat one basic point.

I assume that you have, at one point or another in your life, heard a dog barking outside in the middle of the night? And that on at least one occasion you did not actually go outside to investigate the cause of the barking?

When you woke up the next morning, you were faced with an unexplained event from that night before.

So, what did you think about that unexplained event?

It is logically possible that the dog barked because aliens landed in your neighbors’ yard, kidnapped your neighbors and subjected them to the famed alien rectal exam, and then wiped the neighbors’ memories and returned them to their home — all before dawn.

Logically possible, isn’t it?

Or maybe the dog just saw a cat or was chasing a squirrel up a tree or just decided to yowl when it saw the moon rise.

Did you ever seriously consider the alien kidnapping hypothesis?

Occam’s razor.

You raised the Nord Stream pipeline attack. We have a highly respected, very experienced investigative reporter, Sy Hersh, who claims to have solid sources that prove the US did it.

I’d like to see independent confirmation, hear from the sources, etc.: even seasoned investigative reporters can be conned or mistaken.

But Sy Hersh is probably right: “motive, means, and opportunity” are all there. It makes sense.

Occam’s razor.

But when you look at 9/11, quite the opposite is true.

It is just one proven liar, con artist, and utter fool after another — Gaffney, Truth Vigilante, Rurik, and so many others.

Maybe buried beneath all the horse shit, there actually is a pony in the living room.

But probably not.

Occam’s razor.

Do I think the US government has been completely transparent about 9/11, about what they knew in advance, etc.?

Is the US government ever completely transparent about anything?

But that does not suggest that any particular conspiracy theory is actually true.

Based on past experience, my guess is that they are merely hiding incompetence, stupidity, inefficiency, etc.

One should never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity.

But it would not surprise me if some officials in the Saudi government were involved.

Mossad? I don’t think they are that reckless… but maybe.

The US Deep State? Bureaucrats tend to be cautious types, and if that got out they would be executed.

I doubt it.

As to JFK… I am actually friends with a person who was an assistant film editor on the Oliver Stone movie. As you know, Stone thinks LBJ did it. My friend and I both think that LBJ was far too cautious and conniving a politicians to take a risk like that: in Pareto’s terms, he was a fox, not a lion.

The problem of course is that there are way too many suspects — the Mafia, Castro, Mossad, LBJ, etc.

Who knows?

As to your acquaintances who claim to know the truth… well, even responsible people in positions of authority can be a bit goofy, especially if they know they will not be held to public account.

Consider, after all, the people we have running the country now!

Dave Miller in Sacramento

Colin Wright wrote to me:

[Dave] “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”

[Colin] Logically, I find that unconvincing. It presupposes that our initial assumptions are probably correct.

Is that really the case? Wouldn’t your first impressions be that the world is flat, that the sun circles the earth, that a rocket couldn’t fly in a vacuum, and no doubt more?

Yes, and it did indeed require extraordinary evidence to prove the Earth was round (e.g., Eratosthenes’ famous observation), that the Sun revolved around the Earth, etc.

Colin also asked:

So why should ‘extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence’? What makes ‘ordinary claims’ more likely to be true? After all, as it has turned out, they’re often not.

But usually they are.

There are an infinite number of crack-pot claims and theories, quite a few that people actually do propose.

Almost all false.

Occam’s razor.

Once in a while a bizarre theory turns out to be true — evolution, continental drift, etc.

And those theories did indeed require extraordinary evidence before people were convinced.

Which is, after all, why people like Darwin are famous: he did provide the extraordinary evidence for his extraordinary claims.

Unlike our friends here who cannot provide evidence for their extraordinary claims.

After I provide comprehensive evidence that there is no proof that a single one of the 19 Muslims that were alleged to have hijacked aircraft on 9/11 boarded any of those four aircraft, Fizzy-cyst Dovid comes back with:

Well, that would be something if you had actual evidence for that!

My goodness, if ever there was a case of ‘You can lead a malevolent Jew to water, but you can’t make him drink it’, this is a textbook example.
You see, Fizzy Dov just ignores anything that conflicts with the ZOG approved narrative. (eg: like the Newtonian Laws of Motion).

Colin Wrong writes:

someone like Truth Vigilante as more incapable of distinguishing between what he would like to be true and what is true ……. in the heat of the fray he just starts slinging whatever abuse comes to hand

Oh dear, it seems I’ve hurt Mr Wrong’s feelings.

Whether it be on the 9/11 False Flag or any other topic that I’ve commented on extensively in the UR threads, you can be sure that I’ve done exhaustive research on it before I post anything.
But the 9/11 False Flag stands preeminent above all.
There was a period of several years there, where I lived and breathed 9/11, spending a disproportionate amount of my waking hours exploring that issue (as the missus will testify, in light of the friction that it generated in our relationship).
I have a vested interest in seeing the 9/11 crime resolved and the ZOG miscreants apprehended/prosecuted/and then executed (not necessarily in that order – as the trial can always be conducted posthumously).
One day, when this matter is done and dusted and we’ve witnessed the demise of ZOG, I may even share what this ‘vested interest’ is with the UR readership.

That’s not to say that I didn’t invest 1000’s of hours of additional research into 9/11 subsequent to that.
Everything I’ve posted on this False Flag is backed up with a deluge of evidence (you need only scroll my archival history in the UR threads related to 9/11 to ascertain that).
I names names, provide sources, provide the histories of those sources and demonstrate that they have long history of unimpeachable integrity. (As opposed to some others in the 9/11 threads who are relying on the output of ZOG affiliated disinfo peddlers like ‘Ace Baker’ and ‘Simon Shack-of-shit’, who came out of nowhere, have NO history of integrity etc).
I specify precisely the technology involved, the aircraft types employed – NONE OF THEM were Boeing commercial aircraft, and that they were remotely flown drones with NO ONE on board).

But Colin Wrong has a preconceived notion of how 9/11 played out (courtesy of info obtained from the New York Times and the 9/11 Commission Report edited by that traitor Philip Zelikow), and nothing is going to sway him into changing his mind.

Mr Wrong, you’re the equivalent of a nag that is well past its use-by date, after a disastrous career in horse racing.
You’re of no use to anyone. You should be sent to the glue factory at once.

> And, “My wife made an appointment with a doctor for me, unknown to me, until that very morning,

George Elser placed a bomb near a platform where Hitler was supposed to speak. Hitler learned of a fog forecast and decided to cut his speech from two hours to one. 13 minutes after Hitler had left, Elser’s bomb exploded and killed 8 people, with 62 injured. Does that mean that Elser and Hitler were in on a conspiracy together? Or is it more likely that Hitler was just saved through blind luck?

‘…Believe it or not, it was only decades later that I finally realized that most of those guys didn’t really care whether the beliefs were true or not: everyone wanted you to say you believed it, and so it was just easier to go along to get along.

I think that is dishonest. You probably don’t…’

It’s dishonest. It’s just that there are degrees and species of dishonesty — as Vonnegut also said.

In my puppy years, I went through a (brief) phase of telling people exactly how I was doing when they asked how I was doing. It may be honest, but it’s not very practical.

Then there are lies people need to believe. Lies they haven’t critically thought about: a lot of people do that with their professed lack of prejudice against blacks, for example. Lies that are convenient and probably harmless enough: did you check the water pressure after you installed the water heater? ‘Yes.’ Lies of omission. Once I got out of jury duty on a case of assault on a police officer: I claimed I’d had negative experiences with the police and was biased against them. That was true enough — but I neglected to mention the accused looked like he belonged in prison anyway. Was that lying?

Then there are lies, intended to deceive.

There’s a wide world of lies; some truly evil, others merely mutually convenient fictions. You go out and have dinner; it’s pretty good, on the whole. The waitress asks how your meal was; think twice before you actually go into the various shortcomings.

Is that evil? Not precisely.

Thomas Aquinas goes into the morality of lying. One example he uses is that your brother flees through the room you’re in. The man chasing him comes in with a knife: ‘did your brother pass through here?’

Obviously, the moral course of action is to lie. Indeed, if one is dealing with coercive authority — the state, for example — it becomes debatable as to whether it is wrong to lie or not. Suppose I’ve put up a fence on my property, and as far as I’m concerned, it’s a fine fence, and not a problem for anyone in any way.

But it’s not to code. A building inspector sees the fence. (Here, note that if it was there when you bought the property, it usually can stay as it is — but if you built it, it’ll be a violation.)

‘Did you build that fence?’

I’ll say ‘no.’ If you want to submit to the authority of the state, you go ahead and say, ‘yes.

It’s good to see your input here Adam, but Fizzy-cyst Dovid will just duck and weave, and likely not respond to you at all.
He can’t respond to your queries with a plausible explanation, so he’ll just run and hide under a rock.

That’s the sort of person he his. He’ll say and do anything to ingratiate himself with his ADL/B’nai B’rith benefactors.
Earlier in this thread, Dr Kevin Barrett and Ron Unz himself pointed out a small handful (of the hundreds of anomalies) in the official 9/11 narrative.
Fizzy-cyst Dovid then scurried off like a cockroach every time, knowing he was unable to put out a counter argument.
He won’t challenge them – because he’s intellectually and morally bankrupt and knows that Barrett and Unz will wipe the floor with him.

‘…Prof. Jeffrey Sachs mentioned that when he talked to a very senior journalist he’s been friendly with for 40 years, the fellow told him that “everyone” knew America had destroyed the pipelines—who else could have done it? But meanwhile, his elite newspaper and all the others kept on blaming the Russians…’

I knew some perfectly intelligent people who did the same. To me, ‘Russia did it’ was nonsensical: why would the Russians blow up the pipeline — and their major lever of coercion against Germany?

Yet these people insisted on the plausibility of the official story. They weren’t lying; they needed to believe. It was too radically upsetting to their view of the world to accept that the Western powers had variously either done it themselves or kept silent even though they knew who had done it.

It is a bit like Physicist Dave’s Fundamentalists who need to believe the Bible is literal truth. It’s not lying precisely; it’s that the alternative is too upsetting.

It took an elite Navy SEAL unit to eventually go and kill him [Osama Bin Laden] almost a decade later.

Chubby-shev, you’re a smart lad/lass and have posted numerous worthwhile comments that I recall reading. Yet you make an uninformed comment like that above.

FACT: OBL died of renal failure in Dec. 2001 (3 months after 9/11). No Navy Seal Team killed him*.

(*Although Barack Obama, under orders from his ZOG controllers, DID kill the Navy Seal Team that was allegedly killing OBL in 2011 in Abbottabad Pakistan – because the Seal Team could no longer stomach the deception, and it was weighing on their conscience.
They were going to come clean and tell the truth of what happened.
Well, ZOG was not going to tolerate that – so they were ALL killed. I’ll fill you in on that in a subsequent comment).

You urgently need to read the following article written by Paul Craig Roberts titled ‘Obama Did Not Kill Osama bin Laden: The American People Live In a World of False Narratives’:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-did-not-kill-osama-bin-laden/5752466

SUMMARY: Don’t be like Colin Wrong. I rarely see Mr Wrong participating in the UR threads on 9/11 or on the Holohoax.
Yet, amazingly, he has the audacity to claim he knows better than those who are infinitely better informed on these matters than he us.

At the end of the day, people like Colin Wrong are just EXTREMELY LAZY.
They won’t put in the hard yards to do the painstaking research on any issue, but that doesn’t prevent them from pontificating on anything and everything.

I have read your current exchange thread with Colin Wright with interest. I agree that seeking ‘closer to the truth’ perspectives is the key (key to the human success that we have indeed experienced, …. and therefore key to the future prospects of humanity, as well).

I was faced with the same issue as you as a child and into my youth: The deep belief system, that informs as to everyday human behavior, tends to hearken from the various churches of that 1960’s North American culture. And my family (parents and their colleagues and their parents) were very devout Roman Catholic, involving themselves in various volunteer efforts within the church life, despite their otherwise extremely busy lives (except my maternal grandfather was nonpracticing Methodist background, if I recall correctly). But the difference was that in the very boisterous household I grew up in (5 children), …. my parents did not shame me for the concerns and questions I raised. My parents wanted children that would not be afraid to think for themselves, when the chips were down. Pretty much everything they did, was to eventuate just that, for all their 5 children. What happened was, …. once I began to voice these questions as a child, …. my mother wanted to know more, as to why I would think these things. I really can’t say enough about the overflowing kindness my mother showed me (with my Dad’s support too) that way. That was the beginning of a new feature of the relationship I had with my gracious Mom, …. she was respecting me as an intellectual/spiritual colleague (and she too had that bent, and a good mind, like myself), even by the time I was 12, that led to a life-long philosophical/theological discussion, ….. that never ever ended until the days she passed almost 4 year ago now (i.e. – she was more than just a mother to me, …. if that is even possible, …. mothers are just so important for any child, just a mothers).

Of course you are spot-on with respect to your assessment that: “For most human beings, beliefs are badges of group identity.” Yes humans need personal identities, in order to navigate the social world, as the social world is made up of competing group identities (this group identity dynamic is most probably a function of the language impetus). Of course that goes for you too (no one can escape this extremely deep human social dynamic). You do agree with this point of logic – no? Assuming so, thus, … one would then think, that you would see, that the prescription then, is ontological humility. Note that by my description of this human attitude of ontological humility, it is clear that much more rigor is required, with respect to your seeming claims that human heart-centrism is a pathological condition (i.e. – in terms of the future prospects of humanity, … your seeming claim is that this attribute will be our downfall). If you do indeed ‘believe’ that human heart-centrism is a pathological condition in that sense, you will probably seek to excise it. Impossible I say. Because: You possess ‘beliefs’ Dave. This is logical.

What I found out amidst the life-long philosophical/theological discussions I conducted with my mother, is that the church leadership (among all Christian denominations actually, … I later learned by way of going to different church denominations and partaking, an a quite long-ongoing experiment) are not on par, with their congregations, with respect to normalized ontological humility (though ontological humility is not overtly sponsored in the culture, … it is an undercurrent acting on each individual’s particular psyche, either more or less, nevertheless). Church leadership attracts deficients (i.e. -deficients in the ‘psychopathic’ way, as is a concept category that intrigues you, as you say).

This psychopathology thing is most interesting. There are varying degrees. We must all heed, to see it in ourselves (and not just others), so as to guard against that slippery slope. Then one can understand.

> why did Biden and Austin cite them? They’re not in the pocket of Hamas.

But they’re not in the pocket of Netanyahu either. In fact, there’re indications that US officials would like to engineer some kind of Color Revolution in Israel against Netanyahu and Likud. That itself may provide a motive for them to simply accept whatever figures Hamas produces.

While the war in Gaza has obviously led to many ugly scenes, it simply is not possible at this stage to be sure of overall casualty figures. The Tablet is definitely right on that much. That doesn’t mean that anyone should be supporting Netanyahu until casualty figures are verified. But there is a possibility that some of those who eagerly adopted the highest estimates for political motives may get on egg on their faces eventually.

But they’re not in the pocket of Netanyahu either. In fact, there’re indications that US officials would like to engineer some kind of Color Revolution in Israel against Netanyahu and Likud.

You forgot to insert two important words, Paddy O’Shlomowitz:

But they’re not in the pocket of Netanyahu either. In fact, there’re indications that US Jewish Supremacist officials would like to engineer some kind of Color Revolution in Israel against Netanyahu and Likud.

Occam’s razor.

FFS, how many times does the malevolent Jew Dovid Miller mention Oscar’s Razor in that comment and others before it?
Anyone that has to reference something equivalent to an old wives tale (like Occam’s Shaver), is an imbecile.
Sure, Oscar’s Shaver has a reasonable success rate (perhaps as much as 40%) in predicting what is or isn’t feasible in simplistic situations, like the one below:

Little Johnny’s mother comes home early from work and sees a broken vase in the living room.
She’s asks her sons (Big Freddie and little Johnny) what happened. Here’s how the conversation went:

Little Johnny: A miniaturised alien spaceship flew through the open window and knocked over the vase. I tried to protect it mother, and stood in its way. But it zoomed past me at Warp Speed (almost as fast as Trump’s vaxx rollout).
Big Freddie: No it didn’t. Johnny was kicking his football around inside the house and knocked over the vase.

As you can see UR readers, that’s one of those simplistic situations where Oscar’s Shaver can be applied. Meanwhile, imagine asking the residents of Hiroshima what had happened to the city in the immediate aftermath of the A-bomb being dropped.
If one of the residents (perhaps some academic with knowledge about nuclear fission), had said it was an Atomic Bomb, he would’ve been mocked and ridiculed. That’s because the term ‘A-bomb’ had not entered the vernacular.

If Dovid Miller was around he would’ve starting shouting Oscars Shaver, Oscars Shaver!!!
He would say that the simplest explanation is the most likely. ie: that the God’s were displeased with us and thus Hiroshima was struck with one almighty lightning bolt (which would explain the bright flash*).
(*We all know from personal experience that said bright flashes that completely illuminate the sky for miles in very direction, ONLY occur when lightning strikes).

SUMMARY: The 9/11 False Flag was a NO EXPENSE SPARED extremely elaborate crime that utilised the whole gamut of technology available to the Anglo Zionist empire.

Anyone who shouts out Oscar’s Shaver in relation to ANY PURPOSELY COMPLEX and ELABORATE ZOG ORCHESTRATED CRIME, is a disinfo peddler.

In the words of Chistopher Bollyn, the premier 9/11 researcher on the planet (other than USMC Lt-Col. Field McConnell):

The 9/11 False Flag is like a Russian Matryoshka doll. In that it was a crime, within a crime, within a crime.

It was designed that way on purpose. So that people in future would say: ‘No way they would do that. It could have been done a myriad of other ways that were cheaper/less complicated/used common place technology.
Of course that’s true. And they could have killed JFK by just putting a toxin in his toothpaste, or getting the White House chef to put a substance in JFK’s evening meal that gave him a fast acting cancer, as they did to Hugo Chavez and Yacob Rubinstein.

But that was never going to be enough for ZOG. In the case of the JFK coup d’etat and the 9/11 incident, ZOG wanted to make a statement, they wanted to create the maximum traumatisation of the American public, as it would create an atmosphere where it would be much easier to pass the Patriot Act and launch wars of aggression to further ZOG’s agenda.
And they most assuredly did just that.

OK Chubbyshev, as promised I will fill you in on what happened to Seal Team 6, who were allegedly the ones that killed OBL in 2011.

When they died, the parents of one of the Seal team members (ie: Aaron Carson Vaughn) decided to travel to the ‘Go-To’ man in the U.S military. By that I mean the premier expert in the world on the disappearance of Malaysian Airlines MH370, the 9/11 Flase Flag and much, MUCH more.
The following article titled ‘ …. Parents of SEAL Team Six soldier killed in action call for President Obama’s resignation …. ‘ will interest many of you:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2740184/You-not-job-Parents-SEAL-Team-Six-soldier-killed-action-call-President-Obama-s-resignation.html

I refer of course to USMC Lt-Col. (ret) Field McConnell. He is the man that whistle blowers in the U.S military/government/Intel agencies go to with info that expose ZOG crimes.
They go to him because he is man of unimpeachable integrity, he’s a man that can’t be bought – they KNOW they can trust him.
And so it was with Billy and Karen Vaughn when they went to visit Field McConnell in 2014 to ask how their son really died.

Please watch the 9 mins or so of the following video below from 2:01:10-2:10:00 and learn what actually happened to the Seal team that were alleged to have killed OBL in 2011:

Video Link

SUMMARY: I strongly recommend that UR readers take the time to watch the whole (almost) 3 hours of that video. McConnell talks about 9/11, the use of BUAP technology to electronically commandeer the four real planes with real passengers and crew on 9/11 (none of which crashed that day), the MH370 incident, Pat Tillman and much more besides.

If we lived in a just world, Lt-Col. Field McConnell would receive a ticker tape parade (Charles Lindbergh style) in every city and state of the U.S, for his courage and service to his country.
Instead he was incarcerated/tortured and punished by ZOG for his insolence.

A truly great American he was/still is.

Well, what is your point, then? That truth varies according to someone’s point of view? Yes, indeed – just ask those concentration camp victims and those nutty Holocaust Revisionist Truthers who say – water is wet, 2+2 is 4, and “Nazis” didn’t actually make human soap/bologna; they didn’t have orders to exterminate every Jew in Europe; nor can 6 million Jews get killed, repeatedly, throughout history, with no forensic evidence of same.

The Truthers would have us believe that this was Silverstein giving the order to proceed with the controlled demolition of Building 7, but this makes no sense at all in context.

Ok. What did Ol’ Silvertongue actually say? –

“I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, we’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is, is pull it. And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse.”

In the midst of the frenzy of the most significant event/terror attack in NYC/America ever, the “commander” takes the time to call Silverstein? And, Silverstein doesn’t take note of Commander’s name? The Fire Chief was Joseph Pfeifer; the assistant chief was Frank Fellini. To my knowledge, neither of these men confirmed they were the caller. But, why would Larry be called with regard to Building 7? –

PORT AUTHORITY TO LEASE WORLD TRADE CENTER TO SILVERSTEIN PROPERTIES, INC. AND WESTFIELD AMERICA, INC.
Date: Apr 26, 2001
Press Release Number: 68
[…]
Silverstein Properties, Inc., and Westfield America, Inc. have agreed to a net lease transaction for a term of 99 years, worth an estimated $3.2 billion on a present value basis. The net lease covers four buildings at the World Trade Center, including the Twin Towers and the retail Mall…..

The buildings included in the net lease agreement are Number One and Two World Trade Center (the Twin Towers), Four and Five World Trade Center (two nine-story office buildings) and approximately 400,000 square feet of retail space. Numbers Three (the WTC Marriott Hotel), Six (the U.S. Customs House) and Seven World Trade Center (a 47-story office building) are already under lease.

Wikipedia entry for Larry Silverstein
[…]
World Trade Center
Main article: World Trade Center (1973-2001)
[…]
In January 2001, Silverstein, via Silverstein Properties, made a $3.22 billion bid to lease-purchase the World Trade Center. 16) He was outbid by $30 million by Vornado Realty, with Boston Properties and Brookfield Properties also competing for the lease. However, Vornado withdrew in March, giving Silverstein 14 days to negotiate a new bid….
The lease agreement applied to One, Two, Four, and Five World Trade Center, and about 425,000 square feet (39,500 m?) of retail space.
Silverstein put up $14 million of his own money to secure the deal. (21) The agreement gave Silverstein, as leaseholder, the right and the obligation to rebuild the structures if they were destroyed. (22)
The end.

So, why was Larry called when he was neither the owner/lease holder/property manager of Building 7, and since when did the NYFD delve into the realm of building demolition, and since when did they seek advice from real estate developers regarding department protocols?

The very idea that Mr. Silverstein’s undisputed “pull it” comment does not/should not raise suspicion, considering that ONLY Silverstein properties, or the buildings (7) for which he seems to have held responsibility/interest, although rather inexplicably, collapsed wholly and unprecedented in history in both manner and cause, is ridiculous on its face, and rather than slinging about insulting accusations of epistemic contextualism, perhaps the slingers should reflect on the term cognitive dissonance as it applies to those who oppose the average Truther.

First of all, the quote comes from an interview Silverstein was doing for a PBS documentary. It was him talking about an event that occurred several years in the past.

Several years? The PBS documentary, America Rebuilds, originally aired on September 10, 2002. It follows then that his recorded pull it statement was made less than one year after the Commander called Larry.

First, we would have to assume that Building 7 was already prewired for demolition

Yes, that would be a correct assumption as everyone is generally aware that a 47 story building can’t be wired for demolition in a few hours by firefighters.

We would have to assume that both Larry Silverstein and the Fire Commander knew this and were in on the plot to demolish the building, since that is supposedly what they were talking about.

Who claims the Fire Department was in on the fix? Do we know the identity of Fire Commander?

It’s not supposedly; it’s actually – “And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse.”

We would have to assume that the Fire Commander, even though he intended to blow up the building, for some reason allowed his men in and around the building to fight the fires that were burning there, where they might be blown up

There’s no need to make assumptions about the safety of firefighters in Building 7, which collapsed at 5:20 pm –

The New York Times, November 29, 2001
“By 11:30am, the fire commander in charge of that area, Assistant Chief Frank Fellini, ordered firefighters away from WTC 7 for safety reasons.”

NIST –
[…]
4.4.2 Final Report on the Collapse of World Trade Center Building 7, Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster (NIST NCSTAR 1A)
Published: November 20, 2008

Thanks for those two absolutely excellent comments.

So, you detected no inaccuracies in his comments about someone else’s comments, then?

Silverstein’s quote is rather curious, and so very specific to demolition, or the ridding of something, in general, that it can’t be explained away. Silverstein is on camera, several years later, refusing to explain how Fire Chief Nigro refuted having made a phone call to him on 911, and further, the reporter asking him for clarifications is tossed from the public event, and Larry accuses said reporter of making a scene.

If you ask the average person how many towers fell on 911, almost everyone says two. There is a specific reason Building 7 is mostly framed as collateral damage, despite the fact that of the three buildings, it’s collapse and disintegration was most remarkable and precedent setting, as no hurling objects breached the upper floors and no jet fuel was responsible for somehow turning a modern building to dust and hot lava.

‘…Unlike our friends here who cannot provide evidence for their extraordinary claims.’

Yes — but just to pursue this admittedly arcane point…

Surely ordinary claims require evidence as well? I can state I own a piece of property, and that is an ordinary claim — but if the matter is of importance, you can reasonably demand ‘extraordinary’ evidence to support that claim.

To take a more mundane example, for a good century it was claimed that the Tsars incited pogroms — a fairly ordinary claim, really. After all, discrimination and persecution are common.

But no definitive evidence was ever offered to support this claim.

…and it’s turned out that far from encouraging pogroms, the Tsars did everything they could to suppress them.

The formula ‘extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence’ seems to me to fail in that it implies that ordinary claims don’t.

Really? How well does ‘ordinary’ common sense accord with Einsteinian physics, for example?

I’d say that if I have a ‘common sense’ proposition — that the earth is flat, that the Tsars incited the pogroms, that Hitler wanted to conquer the world, whatever — and evidence comes to light that undermines it, it doesn’t have to be ‘extraordinary’ evidence before I may question it.

After all, ‘ordinary’ and ‘extraordinary’ are both relative and subjective. Surely whatever should lead to me questioning the one should lead to me questioning the other. One thing a study of history can lead to is an awareness of how much people are prisoners of their perspective; that in fact ‘ordinary’ really can be no more than a cultural construct.

Shortly after 911 occurred, the FBI found things such as al Haznawi’s car at Logan airport
which had a copy of the Last Night Document:

https://www.flight93friends.org/learning-center/crime-scene-investigation/the-last-night-document

https://www.flight93friends.org/pdf/learning-center/crime-scene-investigation/BS01101T_LastNight_Logan_Translation.pdf

Things like this would have been left behind as a way of tipping the FBI off about who was responsible, while at the same time Osama could deny in Afghanistan that he had any involvement.

Apparently the media didn’t accept UBL’s denial,
many still report ALQ and Mr. Laden as the perps.

5ds

‘…But there is a possibility that some of those who eagerly adopted the highest estimates for political motives may get on egg on their faces eventually.’

They very likely will; death tolls usually are exaggerated.

But so what? Will the moral complexion of the situation change if it turns out the Jews managed to murder ‘only’ fifteen thousand civilians? Do the facts that they sent out messages announcing fake food distribution points and then shelled those who showed up, repeatedly made false claims and supported them with bogus evidence, openly reveled in the slaughter, etc change?

If I can show that the Germans ‘only’ killed 3.5 million Jews, does the Holocaust become okay? Is it even less of a crime?

After all, when it comes to criminal culpability, it’s the thought that counts. If I’m at the wheel and my car runs into a crowd, the question isn’t whether I killed two, or killed four — it’s whether I decided I hate white people or just had a senior moment. We can see what Israel is — whether it turns out the final death toll is fifteen thousand or fifty thousand.

They’ve made it clear.

‘…I’ve never heard of such latter individuals drinking, drugging, and whoring. Perhaps you can find some actual evidence that they often do such a thing…’

I wouldn’t be too sure. You might be right — or you might be wrong. People are funny that way.

It’s like the old Southern joke about Baptists. If you do invite them to go fishing, always invite two. If you just invite one, he’ll drink all your beer.

“Yet since the Neocons soon decided to foment an invasion of Iraq, over the next year or two their media allies gradually began presenting Saddam Hussein as the figure responsible for 9/11, even though no government official ever made that absurd claim and there was never the slightest shred of evidence. I considered the whole thing totally ridiculous at the time, but supposedly all the TV shows began showing Saddam’s picture next to those of the burning WTC powers, and that simple implication was enough to convince most of the American public. By the time we attacked Iraq, something like 70% of Americans believed that Saddam had been responsible for the 9/11 Attacks, and even years later, 70% of Republicans continued to hold that belief.”

In Alberta, during the convos at the lunch room table at work and such, …. it was probably the other way around, …. 70% quite worried that the Americans are behaving like they are nuts in the middle east over that switcheroo to Saddam Hussein (with his supposed ‘weapons-of mass-destruction’ charade as sponsored by Colin Powell, which was another bizarre feature of the official American narrative that gave us all great pause in Alberta, around this emerging crypsis of American warmongering efforts)… thank God that is way over there type-thing was the 70% sentiment, ….. yet the American media control, in the end, tends to color the sentiment in Canada anyways, as the years pass, …. people don’t want to remember that we already knew, that circa more than 20 years ago now, the Americans were nuts, geopolitically, during the Bush 2 presidency, …. because they don’t want to see (and then have to deal with) the underlying pattern here. It is JQ duplicity, in the main, that pulls strings, to support this wacky American international interventionist policy in the middle east. However the Asian Muslims who were also present in that Alberta work environment, were quite cavalier in regards to spelling that ‘underlying’ part out for us, at said lunch room table at work, ….. and it turns out their assessment (which they already started harping on about, in 1991 after the first gulf war featuring Kuwait, …. as I happen to know was quite the talking point among Asian-Muslim imams in western Canada, at that time ) were spot-on, all along.

It appears that my Muslim colleagues of even more than 30 years ago now, are pretty much the opposite of ‘total idiots’. Nice people too, that won’t seek to rub that in your face, now. Yet they do know what is what around the JQ. I notice plenty of people try to spit on that (denigrate Muslims as know-nothing idiots that can’t see straight on Israel and Jewdom if their lives depended on it). People that were present at that lunch room table of 20 years ago now, saw it like the Alberta 70% of that time, and yet now think the Palestinians are obviously sub-human behaviorally. That is pathetic and ‘total-idiot-mode’, … my many such Caucasian, or Christian, western Canadian colleagues, to my mind.

You’ve written a lot of rather boastful words here, but not a single word in reply to my 1,300 word comment #154, above, where I began

There were no hijacked jetliners that crashed anywhere on September 11, 2001.

I actually do have a life — I have other things to do!

As I have said many, many times, I have never taken on the responsibility to refute every single claim made by you 911 Truthers. I could spend every minute of every day for the rest of my life trying to do so, and it would just be a waste of time — you guys are a cult.

Well, you had time enough to scribble 1300 more words here without addressing anything I wrote in my 1300 world comment, which, unlike yours, was well written, well composed, with sound logic, and based entirely on facts.

So, until you do that, I’ll limit myself to a few replies.

II. A number of claims have been made that violate very basic principles of physics — the nuclear-explosion nonsense, the idiocy about Newton’s Third Law, the planes-as-holograms claim, etc. — that alienate anyone who is scientifically literate.

What idiocy about Newton’s Third Law? The idea that a 150 ton jetliner could crash into a 500,000 ton building, and just keep going, with no reaction from either building or airplane violates not only Newton’s 3rd, but every law of physics known to man.

You seem not to know much about this whole topic, but I’ve argued strenuously here against the nukes in basement advocates from day one, so educate yourself before you try to pin that crap on me. Same with the hologram nonsense, but the fake videos are obvious to anyone with any kind of background in computer graphics, which I have, in spades, while you seem to be void in that suit, like Ron Unz.

The biggest idiots are those who believe two mostly aluminum airliners plunged through the steel facades of the Twin Towers, as if they had been made of air, and then completely disappeared within the skyscrapers, leaving only their cartoon-cutout silhouettes in the Towers’ facades, but not a scrap of legitimate aircraft wreckage.

Those same idiots believe that four jetliners crashed on 9/11 and left not a single scrap of airplane crash wreckage that could be verified by a part number or serial number, unlike every other airplane crash known to man.

That’s some physics alright, Dave, but do feel free to explain it.

If the planes did not in fact hit the Twin Towers, thousands of tourists would be able to testify to that fact.

You’ve got that bass-ackwards. If planes did hit the Twin Towers, there should be thousands of accounts in the public record from eyewitnesses who saw the planes. Instead, we’ve got a relative handful of accounts from people who claim to have seen a plane.

Did you know that the first two eyewitness at the WTC interviewed by CNN indicated they saw and heard an explosion in WTC 2, but saw no plane?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was in the PATH train, and there was a huge explosion sound; everyone came out. A large section of the building had blown out around the 80th floor.

[WNYW reporter Jim] RYAN: Was it hit by something, or was it something inside.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was inside.

[…]

[CNN anchor Carol] LIN: Jeanne, we are continuing to look at pictures of this devastating scene, according to Sean Murtagh, vice president of finance, who witnessed what he described as a twin-engine plane, possibly a 737. e was almost absolutely sure it was a large passenger jet that went into that.

Jeanne, you are saying you didn’t see anything initially. You didn’t see a plane approach the building?

YURMAN: I had no idea it was a plane. I just saw the entire top part of the World Trade Center explode. So I turned on the TV when I heard they said it was a plane. It was really strange.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.01.html

A guy who lived right across the street was filming at the time of the second attack, and neither saw nor recorded any plane, just an explosion. A photographer standing right below the towers and looking at it, saw an explosion in WTC 2, but no plane.

It is a myth that thousands of people actually saw a plane. Surrounded by tall buildings few people in New York’s business district actually had a decent view of the WTC towers. Few people reported actually hearing and seeing planes. Most testimonies of those who did are inconsistent with that of a wide-body commercial airliner hitting a building at 800 feet altitude, full throttle. Meanwhile, it was a simple matter for the TV networks to keep the eyewitnesses who didn’t see a plane off the air.

Most of ’em, anyway, once the cover-up started.

Finally, you closed

And that, I imagine, you cannot do.

You imagine a lot of things, which results in unnecessary creation of fanciful constructs that have no bearing on the topic of 9/11, speaking of Occam’s Razor. Rather than setting up strawmen, or trying to attribute to me what others may have said, just address what I wrote in my comment #154 so you can be sure you’re getting it straight from me.

To make it crystal clear for you, I’m not “you guys.”

Ron, the problem is that whenever I ask any 9/11 Truther for their best evidence — including, I am afraid you (yes, I know it would probably be unfair to label you an actual member of their movement) — the evidence just does not hold up.

The official story of 9/11 has it that 3 buildings (WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7) collapsed due to fires. This would have been the first time in history that steel-framed high-rises collapsed for this reason. This is even admitted by NIST who was tasked with the official investigation into the collapse of these buildings. “The collapse of WTC 7 is the first known instance of a tall building brought down primarily by uncontrolled fires.” It would seem then that the burden of proof should fall on those who accept the official story, not those who question it.

But if you want the best and incontrovertible evidence you can read the white paper by engineer Tony Szamboti.

https://www.ae911truth.org/images/twenty-five-points.pdf

In summation:
World Trade Tower 7:
COLLAPSE AT FREE-FALL ACCELERATION IS NOT EXPLAINED
VIDEOS OF THE COLLAPSE OF WTC 7 BETRAY NIST’S COMPUTER MODEL
World Trade Tower 1 & 2:
PRE-COLLAPSE STEEL TEMPERATURES ARE EXAGGERATED
INITIATION OF COLLAPSE – “INWARD BOWING” WAS INDUCED ARTIFICIALLY
NO EXPLANATION GIVEN FOR HORIZONTAL PROPAGATION OF COLLAPSE
NO JOLT – CONTINUOUS ACCELERATION OF COLLAPSE WAS IGNORED
NO PILE DRIVER IS OBSERVED IN VIDEOS
MOLTEN METAL OBSERVED POURING OUT OF THE CORNER OF WTC 2 REMAINS
UNRESOLVED

I think one basic issue for 9/11 Truth skeptics is that they simply don’t know what the official explanations are for the collapse of all 3 towers on 9/11. If someone does not know the official explanations, then they won’t understand AE911Truth’s arguments against them.

If I can show that the Germans ‘only’ killed 3.5 million Jews, does the Holocaust become okay? Is it even less of a crime?

But we have records from the likes of the ICRC (International Committe Red Cross) that less than 300,000 Jews died* in ALL of those work camps (which were falsely labelled as extermination camps) in ALL German occupied territories during WWII.

(*Notice how I wrote ‘died’ as opposed to ‘murdered by the Germans. That’s because the overwhelming bulk of these Jews were NOT murdered. They died were as a result of the 1942/43 typhus epidemics and from malnutrition in the final months of the war, as the German food transport/logistics network was bombed/strafed to a standstill.
German civilians in the cities were themselves starving as precious little food got through to them).

Yes, many thousands of Jews may well have been killed by the Germans on the Eastern front. But these were partisans involved in guerilla activities working to disrupt supply transports and such.
Under the rules of war, such non-uniformed partisans were indeed allowed to be executed.

Once again Colin Wrong, you’ve demonstrated that you know next to nothing about the Holohoax.

Hello, BolshevikPretzel…..

Does that mean that Elser and Hitler were in on a conspiracy together?

No.

Or is it more likely that Hitler was just saved through blind luck?

Based on your synopsis, I would say it was luck.

So, the Silvertongue, busy magnate that he is/was, gets badgered into keeping a dermatologist appointment by his wife, who didn’t bother to ask him his schedule before making the appointment, and because he has light hair and skin, he must keep this appointment, inconvenient as it was, and his two children, who also work in the Tower, are both running a bit late that day, and by blind luck, the Silvertongue family is spared, and eventually they become quite a bit more flush with cash as a result of the 911 tragedy, from which they were luckily all spared. As luck would have it, double indemnity for terror attacks saved Silverstein’s turkey-bacon.

Occam’s Broom.

I have light hair and skin, and I live where the sun shines bright nearly everyday, and I wear flip-flops in winter, and I’ve never once been to a dermatologist. I guess I’m just lucky. I wonder how much time LuckyLarry spends in the sun? In shorts and flip-flops?

Occam’s Broom.

After all, when it comes to criminal culpability, it’s the thought that counts.

Colleen! Silly goose….if your intended murder victim survives, you get hit with an attempted murder charge. In western jurisprudence, what you think of doing, or want to do, or try to do, is not punished/sanctioned equally with what you actually do.

However – the boys at LeBron’s Blackety-Black Basketball Academy, who can’t pass 8th grade basic skills tests, can stomp a 17 year old White boy to death on their basketball court and walk out of criminal court with sentences of less than two years, having been charged with manslaughter, yet convicted of Aggravated Assault, which seems to be yet another Jewish value – less White People is good for the Jews. So, I think Talmudic Jurisprudence is creeping in to America along with all that lovely diversity, and just in time.

But take care, Colleen, as thought crimes are making their way into western nation legislation because it seems that the in-toleration of certain thoughts is a Jewish value, and I wonder if that has anything whatsoever to do with the prominence of non-western (European blooded) people acquiring the levers of power in western nations?

Occam’s Broom. Or, Occam’s Razor?

“Zionism” is the idea that jews get a sovereign jew ethnostate and everyone else gets “democratic” states with governments, full of jews, dedicated to “combating racism and anti-semitism” and serving the alien jew ethnostate. https://t.co/vdXbgVoWSv

— Von (@VonHa5h) December 5, 2023

Chubby-shev, you’re a smart lad/lass and have posted numerous worthwhile comments that I recall reading…You urgently need to read the following article written by Paul Craig Roberts titled ‘Obama Did Not Kill Osama bin Laden: The American People Live In a World of False Narratives’:

Thanks for the nice words and the article recommendation. It does sound like bin Laden died in 2001. Could the stress of being falsely accused of 9/11 have caused organ damage and a stroke?

The story of bin Laden’s killing in Pakistan in 2011 does also sound incompatible with the story told by the witness who was at the scene. Were the people in the helicopter that blew up actually SEALS, or were they Afghan troops sacrificed for the sake of the official story?

Are you Canadian? I’m in Alberta.

No, US.

What do you think can be done? Personally, …. I think if someone important, linked-up the common thread among all the false-narrative promulgation of many stripes, …. it might work.

The problem most people have in coming to terms with 9/11 isn’t the evidence, but the implications of the evidence. Most people can easily accept that demolition charges can take down buildings, but they can’t accept this fact on 9/11 due what it might imply. Notice the arguments that 9/11 Truth skeptics always use, “Why would our government do this; How did they keep it secret; Someone would have talked?” But they won’t argue that the 2.25 second free-fall collapse of WTC7 is perfectly consistent with NIST’s computer models of its collapse.

I once had a conversation with co-workers about 9/11 and no one knew what I meant by a false-flag attack. The idea of a false-flag attack was something that never occurred to them and they were completely unaware that this is tradecraft of governments and intelligence agencies. If you have no concept of a false-flag attack you will obviously be oblivious to 9/11 Truth.

Joseph Conrad’s novel, The Secret Agent, was published in 1907. The story is about a secret agent working for a foreign country (Russia) and his attempt to frame a terrorist bombing on anarchist groups working in Britain. Wikipedia writes of the novel, “Because of its terrorism theme, it was one of the three works of literature most cited in the American media two weeks after the September 11 attacks.” The fact that The Secret Agent is about a false-flag terrorist attack is not mentioned.

The ‘Butt Plug’ Rabbi thinks he has earned the right to call someone a N* gg*r because Jews endured the Holocaust. What else do they believe enduring the Holocaust gives them the right to do? pic.twitter.com/QZeacxFZye

— Derenic Byrd (@DerenicByrd) March 17, 2024

Well, what is your point, then?

It seems to me what Larry is talking about is plain and simple. He is telling the fire chief to pull the operation. To quit trying to save the building and pull his crew out of danger. Here is the transcript you provided:

“I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, we’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is, is pull it. And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse.”

Tell me – what does it mean to ‘pull it’ in this context? Why would you think it means to blow down the building? I am not native English speaker so I can’t be sure. I asked Google what ‘pull it’ means and found plenty of examples, but none related to taking down a building with explosions or otherwise

I remember when I first came across this theory, I didn’t understand what was the problem with Larry’s words. It was only when I discovered “pull it” is allegedly a lingo used in the demolition business, and means to blow up (or down) a building. – I figured out what they meant. I found it totally ridiculous and still do.

Before 9-11 would anyone reading the above transcript think Larry is suggesting to blow up the building? If not this later added explanation as to the meaning of ‘pull it’ is what this is all about. I know hardly anything about Larry but find it unlikely he is using slang from demolition crews in this interview – in a way kind of circular reasoning. And it’s totally crazy to think he is admitting he had anything to do with the collapse of the building.

If I understand correctly when this interview occurred Larry was just starting his long legal battle with insurance companies later resulting in billions paid to him. Would a guy in such position admit to blowing down one of his own buildings thereby destroying his legal case, not to mention other things.

What is really interesting about all of this is how on earth this nonsense went viral among 9-11 skeptics. That’s my opinion.

He is telling the fire chief to pull the operation.

What operation?

On what authority and due to what qualifications? Larry Silverstein was neither the leaseholder nor the building manager of Tower 7, nor had he any authority/official capacity with regard to NYC or the Federal government.

Who called him? Why has no one stepped up to say – “I called him.”?

To quit trying to save the building and pull his crew out of danger.

It seems you may have neglected to read the information I posted, which was gleaned directly from FEMA and the agency assigned to the official investigation. There was no available water for fire extinguishing, as the water main was broken when the towers imploded. There were no serious attempts to save building 7, and the occupants were evacuated after the impact at Tower 1 at 8:46 a.m.

I will assume you are familiar with the official definition of to pull – a secondary meaning, to pull it, or pull, generally means to “remove” something – Recent headlines – “These popular medicines might be pulled from shelves….The FDA can decide not to pull the items from shelves, however this is incredibly rare in a unanimous panel decision….” “Almost 60 dairy products, pulled from shelves at H-E-B, Trader Joe’s….”

In demolition vernacular – I tried to find some demolition verbiage prior to 2001, but could not do so in a cursory manner, but there’s this –

The NY Times printed a headline on June 17, 2013, that reads, “Tricky Ways to Pull Down a Skyscraper.”

Watch a few examples of implosive building demolitions on video, and here are relevant terms –

Implosive Method – is a type of demolition technique that uses explosives to destroy the structural supports of the building and make it collapse. It is best used to dismantle a building or structure with significant height; the two ways to do this are:

Falling like a tree…

Falling into its own footprint (the building is imploded, and made to collapse on itself).

Before 9-11 would anyone reading the above transcript think Larry is suggesting to blow up the building?

Yes, absolutely. What else can it possibly mean? The building can’t be saved (from fire) – just pull it! What then happened? It collapsed into its own footprint in the exact manner as the other two – a free fall within less than a minute.

Regarding his lame excuse about meaning to pull the firefighters out – we do not refer to people, certainly multiple people, as “it.” He would have said, “Get your guys out of there; let it burn.”

If I understand correctly when this interview occurred Larry was just starting his long legal battle with insurance companies later resulting in billions paid to him. Would a guy in such position admit to blowing down one of his own buildings thereby destroying his legal case, not to mention other things.

You are not incorrect to wonder thusly, and I can only speculate that he was posturing for some future controversy with the demise of Building 7, which was an absolute anomaly without crashing aircraft to muddy the waters. However, his pull it gaffe was made sometime between September, 2001 and September, 2002. He filed his lawsuit in May, 2003. So, there was no case to jeopardize in 2002. An insurance claim of that magnitude would take years to resolve, litigation notwithstanding, and Silverstein went to law school and worked in the real estate business his entire life; I will assume he was certain he had his bases covered. And, as it turns out, he did, because as far as I’m concerned, he admitted/alluded to the demolition of Building 7. If a serious investigation had been made, whether by the Feds or the claim handlers/lawyers, Silverstein would have been compelled to reveal the name of the fire commander, and said fire commander would’ve been deposed.

Are you an Icelander?

Tanabear, you’re a smart cookie. You know that the official NIST/USG/ZOG dictated narrative of how the WTC buildings collapsed on 9/11 is B.S – like everyone else that doesn’t have a Talmudic axe to grind also knows.

But Fizzy-cyst Dovid has one almighty ADL/B’nai B’rith axe to grind, hence the reason he dismissed the explanation I posted in a Tony Szamboti video earlier on.
You see Tana, Fizzy-cyst Dovid dismissed Szamboti on the grounds that he graduated from a lesser university than his own Sanford and Son alma mater.

Dovid Miller says that the junk science taught at Sanford and Son is the benchmark.
Of course, as I explained to Doofus Dovid, it matters not what academic institution Szamboti graduated from, seeing as he’s the spokesman for AE911Truth, an organisation with countless thousands of professionals and academics, most of which are infinitely more knowledgeable than he is in relation to the events pertaining to 9/11.

Are you an Icelander?

I doubt that the individual using the handle ‘Nicelamb’ is an Icelander.
I’ve caught him out on numerous occasions peddling falsehoods (invariably supporting the official ZOG agenda) in relation to the Covid Psyop, on 9/11 and other matters.

If I was a betting man I’d guess that he is an IDF Unit 8200 operative working out of his cubicle in the Negev Desert, such is the level of deceit and misdirection coming from him.
He’s certainly not in the league of Fizzy-cyst Dovid when it comes to depraved conscience-free dishonesty.
Then again that was always going to be an extremely low bar to stoop beneath, seeing as Fizzy Dov is among the most mendacious individuals you’re ever likely to cross paths with.

Were the people in the helicopter that blew up actually SEALS, or were they Afghan troops sacrificed for the sake of the official story?

Are you referring to the helicopter that blew up in Afghanistan, that contained the members of Seal Team 6 that were about to blow the whistle on the fake 2011 killing of OBL?
If so, scroll up to my comment # 221 and make sure you watch the full 9 mins I specified, where USMC Lt-Col. Field McConnell tells you what you’ll never hear from the ZOG owned western MSM.

UR readers, I cannot begin to stress how important the entirety of that video I posted in comment # 221 is.
It had previously been on You Tube, but the Talmudists-that-be took it down, along with Field McConnell’s websites/You Tube channel that contained a treasure trove of information.
A ton of other Field McConnell related videos and peripheral stuff has also been purged from the internet (stuff that I could easily access a decade or more ago) – because this man has been sooooo damaging to ZOG (possibly more so than any other single individual on the planet).

Many of you will learn more about the reality of the world we live from that video (on those issues McConnell’s speaks about), than you have accumulated in your entire lives.
Be sure to copy said video and store somewhere securely – before it too disappears.

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

You ask: What operation?

According to Larry’s story the fire chief called him; “I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire”

So according to this, there was some kind of operation, either going on, or being planned to contain the fire.

Larry goes on: “and I said, you know, we’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is, is pull it.”

Why did he mention the terrible loss of life? He is indicating the decision to “pull it” was to prevent more loss of life. Telling the chief – just get your men out of there, out of harms way.

Imagine he told the fire chief: We had such terrible loss of life – demolish the building! How would that make sense?

It’s possible Larry is simply making this story up, or he didn’t remember correctly or whatever. What’s the moral of the story – so to speak? Good old Larry is telling the reporter he was worried about the fire-crew and told them to walk away as the owner of the building in question. It may be true or not. In any case he isn’t saying what you claim.

In my opinion this is just nonsense from start to finish. And actually I have noticed many hard skeptics about the official narrative of 9-11 agree. If you don’t that’s fine and we can disagree about this.

And yes, I am indeed Icelander.

I doubt that the individual using the handle ‘Nicelamb’ is an Icelander.

You are on record here as pathological liar.

Auðvitað “efast” þú um að ég sé Íslendingur. Allir sem eru ekki sammála ruglinu og bullinu sem kemur frá þér eru samkvæmt þér einhverskonar málaliðar Zíónista eða viðlíka afla af dularfullum toga. Þetta er auðvitað ómerkileg umræðutaktík af þinni hálfu sem enginn með fulla fimm getur tekið mark á.

Vandamálið við þig er að þú ert lygari af lægstu sort eins og ítrekað hefur verið bent á hér á þessari umræðu. Þú slærð fram fullyrðingum sem þú getur ómögulega vitað eins og ekkert sé og leiðréttir ekkert og dregur ekkert til baka sem er öllum ljóst að eru ósannindi, fals og prettir.

Google translate can’t handle this text. Find someone who is fluent in Icelandic to translate it for you. Ask him or her if I am Icelander.