里德先生真是太棒了！特朗普可能使用了不谨慎和不外交的语言，但像海地这样的地方属于丹丁地狱的下层。海地也遭受过虐待（几十年来，法国要求对废除奴隶制和财产损失进行赔偿，使该国精疲力尽），但他们似乎完全没有能力发展任何形式的体面的公民社会。

DHS Sec. Nielsen not happy with repetitive and stupid questions:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dhs-secretary-snaps-after-democrats-push-her-on-shithole-comment-i-have-answered-this/article/2646051

In her replies to Leahy and Senate Minority Leader Dick Durbin, D-Ill., Nielsen said she never heard those comments.

“There was, I apologize, I don’t remember a specific word,” she said in her exchange with Durbin. “What I was struck with — the general profanity that was used in the room by almost everyone.”

“Did you hear me use profanity?” Durbin asked. When Nielsen said she did not, Durbin then asked if she heard Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., use profane language.

“I did hear tough language from Senator Graham … he used tough language. He was impassioned,” she said.

Fred–great article as usual. However:

“I once spent a week in the slums of Cite Soleil, in Port au Prince with the US Army. It was godawful. Huts of corrugated iron, “streets” of packed dirt, actually paths maybe two feet wide between them, no sewerage, no electricity. No medical care or, so I was told, education. The impression was of an occupied garbage dump…There were no guns, so the denizens went at each other with machetes, leading to missing limbs and exposed brains. Law enforcement did not exist….”

Personal experience this old is not often enough relevant to today’s conditions to be worth mentioning. For every such “third world” place that was a dump 30-40years ago and still is today, there is another that is miraculously transformed. During my US Navy time back in the 70s, I saw a lot of coastal Asia, and the standard of living often shocked me, a kid who grew up in middle-class suburban Chicago. Revisiting some of these cities today is equally shocking, but for a different reason–the transformation over the intervening years has been nothing short of amazing.

可能想忽略这一部分。

Is it only the usual schadenfreudian gotcha pile-on? The if-A-then-B response to stimulus of a press corps with the freedom of thought I associate with a FORTRAN statement?

对，就是这样。

I can recognize these as rhetorical questions, but can’t resist answering. Consider it a form of applause.

I don’t know if Haiti is much different since Mr. Reed last visited.

There was no military presence in Haiti between 1934 and 1994. So Fred is referring to events of 1994 or later. You just can’t find any news of any major positive changes in Haiti since 1994.

Despite coming from a country a tenth as rich as Mexico, Haitian ancestry households in the US have a median income 10k USD higher than Mexican-Americans – and 3k higher than Nepali-Americans. Based on that it would seem a lot less insane to integrate them into American society vs the tens of millions of Central Americans in-country.

对非洲的评论相当笼统。从一项衡量标准来看，卢旺达在世界最佳政府管理排名中排名第七，击败了卢森堡和瑞士。

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000169408/rwanda-ranked-africa-s-most-efficient-government-7th-globally

25 年前，当居民们欢快地互相砍杀时，谁能预料到这一点呢？

与此同时，索马里的摩加迪沙正在经历房地产繁荣，该国正在从 90 年代的混乱中恢复过来。中国去年在那里修建了一个机场，索马里海域有大量碳氢化合物等待开采。这是土耳其在那里提供援助和投资的结果。昨天，困惑的游牧民族的同胞与土耳其签署了一项贸易协定，旨在将每年的贸易额提高到 200 亿美元。七年前是6m。

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3382523/Somalia-housing-boom-Mogadishu-emerges-ashes-war.html

https://www.ft.com/content/bae31b04-fa6f-11e5-8f41-df5bda8beb40

很少有挪威人愿意移民到美国。他们有一个富裕的国家，免费的医疗保健，有5周的假期，工作​​日是730到330个工作日。哪个正常人会用这些来交换来美国？你们都应该考虑搬到欧洲，而不是让你们的税收在未来几十年里养活 45 万拉丁裔及其后代。

Figures Fred Reed would write this. Picking on Haiti is now part of the Official Narrative being used to make Mexico appear better, which it really isn’t, by much. Both countries still suffer cholera outbreaks, which is the true definition of living in a shithole.

Despite coming from a country a tenth as rich as Mexico, Haitian ancestry households in the US have a median income 10k USD higher than Mexican-Americans – and 3k higher than Nepali-Americans.

哦哦

“They have nothing in common with Americans–not language, schooling, religion, morals, familiarity with civilization, European heritage or, it would seem, intelligence.”

Above all intelligence.

Mexico is considerably higher, on the totem pole, than Haiti

The voice of reason as usual, GO FRED!

Forget my children … I know which I want to go to school with.

BTW, doesn’t a FORTRAN IF-THEN require an END IF?

I wish to put a stop to all of this shithole yammering by all of you extremist retardates.

The proper term (per Peace Corps staff witch doctors) is “fecalized environment”.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/01/what_i_learned_in_peace_corps_in_africa_trump_is_right.html

wasn’t it because of usa haiti became a shithole? I distinctly remember reading something about how usa forced some kind of business/trade policy that killed haiti’s economy.

就像九十年代初日本从美国得到的世界末日版本。

wasn’t it because of usa haiti became a shithole?

有趣的是你提到了这一点。

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/01/16/what-is-a-shithole-country-and-why-is-trump-so-obsessed-with-haiti/

One more example of the breathtaking evil of America.

Here is the way “African-Americans” “solve” problems:
https://www.pe.com/2018/01/03/suspect-named-murder-charges-brought-in-attack-on-off-duty-san-bernardino-county-sheriffs-deputy/

Civility, or one might truly say, civilization, IS a “racist construct.”
它是文明人类发明的，其中不包括非洲部落
代表。

Yes, I know, that is a “racist” comment.
这似乎也是事实。

弗雷德，我喜欢你，我认为你很棒。 我什至买了你的一本书，并没有失望。 你错误地认为来自加勒比和非洲的移民会像非裔美国人一样成长。 任何愿意探究的人都知道，与本土诺恩黑人相比，非本土黑人的犯罪率要低得多，成就要高得多。 事实上，这一令人费解的事实对任何人来说都不方便。 像查尔斯·默里这样的傻瓜不喜欢提及这个事实，因为这与他们对种族和智商的奇怪痴迷相矛盾。 原住民黑人不喜欢谈论它，因为这与他们对种族主义的抱怨相矛盾。
Just to give you one example of how leftists try to deal with this puzzling fact: https://digitalcommons.kennesaw.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.de/&httpsredir=1&article=1181&context=jgi
他们不能。 我无法在这里写整篇文章，但请考虑一下，我研究过海地，去过那里，并且确实认为您对在那里度过的一周的观察是可信的。 我不敢相信的是你曾经走过美国的贫民窟。 因为情况更糟。 不是经济上的，而是犯罪方面的。 请这样做。
关于海地，我认为它与爱尔兰非常相似。 爱尔兰早已不复存在。 一个有很多孩子的地方。 一个没有发展的地方。 腐败的精英在同样腐败的教士基础的帮助下压低了人民。 请阅读弗兰克·麦考特的《安吉拉的骨灰》。
与海地一样的贫困、同样的绝望。 也有犯罪行为，但就像海地那样，而不是美国的贫民窟。
海地有一个很大的优势。 又和爱尔兰一样。 他们摆脱了殖民领主（种植园主），建立了一个小土地所有者社会。 这并没有给他们带来幸福，因为他们的前霸主成功地扼杀了他们的发展尝试。 但他们成功地获得了一种至今仍为美国前奴隶所无法获得的尊严。
最后弗雷德：我知道你是一个思想开放的人。 请相信这些话是诚实地说出来的。 我不是一个空想家。 这些是我的真实观察。

“Haiti has had its share of mistreatment (the French demand for reparation for abolition of slavery and lost property drained the country for decades,) but they seem utterly incapable of evolving any sort of decent civil society.”

虐待？不，试试欧洲人的野蛮行径吧。海地人仍在付出代价。

Now, just for S+G’s, what are your metrics for “decent civil society”? Why?

你可以在这里学到一些东西，所以要注意。

让 Fred 来给假新闻风格做一个虚假的比较吧。一般来说，一个人看到一张描绘部落团体正在进行宗教仪式和迷人的金发女郎的照片时，自然会说“是的，我想要我国家的这位年轻女士”。但为了得到准确的表述，需要有两张照片，其中描绘了两个相貌相似的男人/两个女人，一张来自塞内加尔，一张来自挪威。即使在这种情况下，人们也必须考虑到重大偏见，因为人们可能只会发现自己种族或族裔群体中的男人/女人是理想的。最后，这仅代表个人意见。

基本上，弗雷德是在迎合他的支持者。没有惊喜。

“巴布亚新几内亚。人们不妨为这些绅士们带来医药、教育、衣服等方面的好处。好的。给他们带来任何东西，除了爱达荷州。”

但部落群体非常乐意留在那里。而这个群体确实有医药、有教育、有衣服，只是与欧洲人不同。你看，“西方标准”并不是一切的终结。但以欧洲人“入侵世界、邀请世界”的心态，这些群体应该非常乐意接受英语、法语或葡萄牙语的“礼物”。

当然，弗雷德忘记了，有些美国人相信，弗雷德嫁给了一个属于非文明群体的“当地人”，这当然是错误的。他显然没有注意到虚伪。

“亚洲沿海”？介意更具体一些吗？你在波斯湾吗？离土耳其海岸不远？如果你想谈论“亚洲”，我们需要细节。亚洲占地球陆地面积的很大一部分。下一步是学会区分日本人、韩国人、越南人、中国人，更不用说菲律宾人、印度尼西亚人、柬埔寨人、老挝人、缅甸人、泰国人了。然后前往次大陆，了解那里的伟大部落和语言。也许您离钦奈很近？我们只触及了表面。

The bankers and generals run this country, so why should we care whom they decide to admit? I don’t see any concern about the origin of all this wealth. It’s not that Americans live well, we don’t. Nevertheless, our miserable lives require vast amounts of energy and resources to sustain. Since our ruling class can’t let go of the mid 20th-century business model, we’ll have to take the refugees along with the stolen loot.

The Human Development Index (HDI) is a composite statistic (composite index) of life expectancy, education, and per capita income indicators, which are used to rank countries into four tiers of human development. A country scores higher HDI when the lifespan is higher, the education level is higher, and the GDP per capita is higher. The HDI was developed by Pakistani economist, Mahbub ul Haq, for the UNDP.[1][2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

In recent years, the top nation was:

The year represents when the report was published. In parentheses is the year for which the index was calculated.

2017 (2015): Norway
2015 (2014): Norway
2014 (2013): Norway
2013 (2012): Norway
2011 (2011): Norway
2010 (2010): Norway
2009 (2007): Norway
2008 (2006): Iceland

So President Trump suggested that Americans (ranked #10) would benefit by favoring immigrants from a #1 ranked nation. Who could object to this reasoning?

I note the only Unz reports on Haiti are about the slums in its capital. They do sound dreadful, consequence of third world over population. But outside the capital, in let us say a fishing village in Haiti, most people are doing ok. Haiti courageously overthrew its French cruel slave owners. Unlike others I could name, they didn’t spend the next century whingeing about it and hunting down their former masters. Indeed they even agreed to pay an indemnity to their former masters. They should have told them to get f””””. But being Christians even their own version, they tried to make amends. Non French whites continued to live in Haiti and assimilated. That makes them less a shit hole, more like a moral lesson.

You’re just resentful that your genes would soon disappear in competition with those of muscular men who can dance without biting their bottom lip. The one in the back even appears to be the intellectual in the group.

Just be glad you’ve already bred, Reed.

He is confabulating.

How is Haiti “still paying the price”?

Did France give them IQs in the 60s?

And why haven’t you volunteered to help them?

You’ve provided yet another example of shithole building codes.

Certainly then, you’ve volunteered to help Haiti.

And how much of your income do you donate to Haiti & other ‘shitholes’?

…..but they seem utterly incapable of evolving any sort of decent civil society.”

Oh I think they could evolve just fine in the right conditions—their problem is the same as many countries—-they cant rid themselves of dictators who steal the money and suck the country dry.

A little history helps in understanding what happened to Haiti

http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/History/Haiti-history.htm

BTW…80% of Haiti is catholic .

In the mean while I am tired of the largest shithole I have seen lately ..the 狗屎洞 that is in Fred’s head.

I agree with much of the criticism of some black nations and the black culture faults that cause it…..但 ……. Fred’s constant vomiting up of his hypocritical and cesspool excrement covered racism is too much for my sense of fairness.

To what extent does Orange City fit into Iowa ?
It consists of very religous Dutch, seems a copy of the Dutch bible belt small towns, where shops are not allowed to open on a few Sundays, as is customary all over the Netherlands.

As for Ali Choudhury’s cited one world government WEF – World Economic Forum, and it’s laughable claims about Rwanda here:
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000169408/rwanda-ranked-africa-s-most-efficient-government-7th-globally
this is another example of the absurd propaganda by them:

World Economic Forum: President Trump Paris Decision Increases the Threat of a Global Environmental Collapse
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/01/17/world-economic-forum-president-trump-paris-decision-increases-the-threat-of-a-global-environmental-collapse/

Haiti is a good deal worse than it was when Graham Greene wrote his famous novel about it – “the Comedians”

He also wrote another excellent book about another place that was also far better off 80 years ago – Liberia. This travel book is “Journey Without Maps”

The fact that similar people inhabit both sides of the Pond is no coincidence IMHO.

Jewies can be described as a international or borderless shitholes?? I remember the movie International Jew where showed eastern Jews were often neglected about hygiene habits…

Are there barbadian immigrants loving in USA??? Would be interesting to analyze their standard living there or in Great Bitchrain.

Living… Ai ai ai

我曾经和美国陆军一起在太子港太阳城的贫民窟呆了一个星期。太可怕了。波纹铁皮搭建的小屋，泥土铺成的“街道”，实际上，它们之间的小路可能有两英尺宽，没有下水道，没有电。没有医疗保健，有人告诉我，也没有教育。给人的印象是一个被占用的垃圾场。

One should keep in mind that Haiti is a western construct entirely – top to bottom. The natives were wiped out five hundred years ago.

这张非洲人的照片具有严重的误导性，并且利用了小时候看过太多《人猿泰山》电影的美国人的刻板印象。

是的，仍然有非洲人住在小屋里，穿着传统服装，但大量非洲人住在房子里，穿着标准的西方服装。非洲国家都有大学，我遇到的毕业生都是聪明、优雅的人。

来到美国的尼日利亚伊博人通常都取得了很高的成就。他们的孩子在 SAT 考试中取得优异成绩，被常春藤盟校录取，并成为职业球员。

我相信许多挪威人都是很棒的人，但非洲人口中也有一些人也受过教育且有成就。

It seems a poor standard to import people on the basis of what “they could be” as opposed to what ” they are”.

“‘你听到我说脏话了吗？’ 杜宾问道”

看着“turban-durbin”变得沮丧和暴躁是很美味的。 显然他不明白，很多人认为从他那张纯洁的小嘴里说出的一切都是亵渎的。

Western way of life is not a only-one respectable way to live. The question is not to ”still” live in the jungle but always the stupidity//lunacy for example ”hunt” and kill albino people because ”religion”.

In the end it’s a very bad news that many africans have adopting too expensive, faillable western way of life.

不是论据

不用咬下唇就能跳舞的肌肉发达的男人。

我见过的唯一这样做的白人是小鸡。

繁殖，里德。

那种认真尝试“变得时髦”以证明他们是如何“与它相处”的人——有点像一个诗人，他更喜欢不押韵的词而不是合意的词，你看。

我不确定你是否准备好接受这种果冻，“简”

弗雷德嫁给了一个“本地人”，他属于非文明群体。他显然没有注意到虚伪。

That’s because the hypocrisy exists only in your imagination, a bizarre and unexplored barbarous territory .

弗雷德在墨西哥队的防守中休息一下。或许这只是对比之下的防御。

I wonder if Fred knows why he was in Haiti with the US Army.

任何一个人们试图通过大量垃圾逃离的国家都是一个屎坑。

文章中的一些让我感到好奇的地方：

1. 提及部分肢解的个人（双关语），但没有提及肇事方，即美国赞助的 FRAPH 和随员。

2. 对海地目前的局势大为不满——确实是一个屎坑——而对自 29 年 2004 月 1999 日以来美国/加拿大/法国/联合国对海地的持续占领完全保持沉默。标准的熵输出，在通过警察培训的支持下，已知的、在阿里斯蒂德领导下被起诉并于 2004 年被拒绝进入加拿大的前海地国民军恋童癖者。自 XNUMX 年以来，皇家骑警一直在将这些比索培训为警察。

直到上次选举舞弊之前，占领下的海地选举全部由加拿大主持，违反了海地宪法。最近一次欺诈性的占领选举是由奥巴马主持的，他缺乏加拿大人的技巧，没有拒绝多数党的参选机会，导致投票率极低。相反，每个投票箱的选票造假已成为家常便饭。

3. 对海地的实际谋杀率保持沉默，该比率从恋童占领前的每年 7/100k 上升到占领期间的每年 10/100k 以上——尽管可以合理地提出额外的谋杀是社会性谋杀还是仅仅是登记错误的谋杀的问题由占领当局。

也就是说，在凯文·皮纳 (Kevin Pina) 的《海地不为人知的故事》中，占领当局大约两年后发布了其中一名谋杀受害者的标签，上面刻有超过一万的数字。假设按顺序编号，每年的死亡人数将超过 10/500k；根据泊松原理，标准差为每年 100/7k，这使得恋童癖职业下谋杀率的明显增长相形见绌。

4. 评论中的电脑小丑崇拜种族灭绝狂人卡加梅——卡加梅前盟友埃里克·哈基兹马纳估计2年有1994万胡图族被RPA杀害，而600年图西族只有1991万，也就是说大部分种族灭绝是图西族杀害胡图族。美国对卢旺达的干预始于1年1990月1994日或之前。在此之前，卢旺达是一个体面的国家，图西族虽然是前封建贵族，但过着舒适的生活。卡加梅还派遣他的暴徒在联合国的支持下协助海地的恋童占领。自5年以来，卡加梅在刚果金沙萨又杀害了10-XNUMX万人。

总结

如果你们的总统仁慈地从垃圾国家彻底撤军，并停止美国对垃圾国家恐怖分子的一切支持，恐怖分子的操纵者很快就会抱怨，从而出柜。对上述处理者的严厉起诉将使对那些所谓的奶酪披萨爱好者的严厉起诉相形见绌。

Fruit of the loom pays Haitian’s over $7 a day. In Vietnam the slaves are typically paid about .26 per hour. Sounds like US is playing the Asians off the Blacks the way they usually do.

我不会用弗兰克·麦考特作为任何事情的指南，更不用说四五十年代的爱尔兰了。 他的书是一本小说，小说。 利默里克的爱尔兰贫民窟比纽约等地的爱尔兰贫民窟要穷，但在某一方面却大同小异：你嘲笑的教会和爱尔兰国家都在努力教育孩子们——虽然经常很严厉，但大多是有效的。 麦考特就是那些因为一位牧师告诉他不要在忏悔中殴打他的肉而感到愤怒的人之一。 世界上到处都是他们。

40 percent of Indian citizens have no toileting facilities other than the street. Let’s bring more of those here.

当美国决定宁愿从白人国家窃取资源而不是掠夺那些狗屎国家的资源时，这种种族主义观点就会站得住脚。

‘We steal your resources illegally, but you are not good enough to be among us legally’

White Racists…do you see the stupidity here? This is why you are occupied despite all your superior genes and guns. This is why Zionism is winning…cuz at least it promotes equality and universality.

I don’t usually reply to your endless BS arguments, but I got here from Renfro, as the kids say on youtube. But this??

Mistreatment? No, try barbarism at the hands of Europeans. Haitians are still paying the price.

Yeah, there was lots of barbarism, all over the world, and I’ve read that the French treatment of those slaves was nothing like the fairly good treatment blacks got in the South (US). Still, that was > 200 years ago! If people can’t get their shit(hole) together in 200 years, they are NEVER gonna.

Hey, maybe my house is a bit of a mess due to the barbarism during the Roman times, but I tend to think it’s more because the wife has been studying hard, and I do the outside stuff. No, I didn’t blame it on the Romans when I had to install my own new sewer line either, I blamed it on the tampons (they are ALWAYS the last straw when roots have about clogged up the line already.

Not having a shithole of a place to live is a just a matter of getting off one’s ass and getting the work done. Haitians don’t do that.

You’ve got a lot of nerve coming on here with your shitholier-than-thou attitude and telling us the Hatians are still the Europeans’ problem.

Apollo 12 lunar landing and the furthest any nation in the world has ever come from being a shithole.

In reality, these fellows are probably preferable to the ever growing number of Africans living in the continent’s ghastly, horrible mega-cities. They are expanding rapidly, especially in East Africa , from Angola to Senegal and Ghana and they are truly terrifying in their filth, crime and violence.

Very good article, Mr. Reed. I get sick of your defense of all things Mexican, though I completely agree with you that it is not a full shithole. Would you not admit there are parts that are? Yes, I’d agree that the US has lots, but it’s almost exclusively inner city ghettos, while Mexico has large very poor areas, and others big regions controlled by the Narcos.

I’ve been told even by missionaries that have spend their own money and time and feel a stake in it, that Haiti is just plain un-fixable – no, they didn’t use the world shithole, but I’m sure they’d have nodded if I did.

Well, just for starters, the religious Dutch in one city in Iowa:

a) don’t adhere to a religion that preaches blowing up infidels and other stuff

b) are people one could feel completely safe around and even not have to be wary with the little ones.

c) don’t mooch off of the taxpayers, via the welfare system, WIC, SSID, Medicaid, EE-Credit, ad infinitum.

d) add value to the community via maintenance of their abodes and the holding down of productive jobs.

e) do not hold rallies for “religious Dutch rights”

f) are not open on Sunday, just like most stores weren’t on ANY Sunday till afternoon in the South until 25 years ago or less. OMG!

有什么问题？

One should keep in mind that Haiti is a western construct entirely – top to bottom.

Absolutely, Biff …
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That is, if by “western” you mean western Africa. Yes, I’m pretty sure most of them came from the western portion of Africa, but there may have been some Easterners too.

Man, I love NGOs, they are so realistic and their ratings are so meaningful.

The clickbaity headline disappoints. Below is what the Davos men actually said.

°In the run-up to the US president’s speech to its annual meeting in Davos, Switzerland, next week, the WEF avoided mentioning Trump by name but said “nation-state unilateralism” would make it harder to tackle global warming and ecological damage.°

里德先生平时是一位极其通情达理的人，但这次他确实没有抓住重点。我们的国家元首如此可怕地提及海地，是因为一百多年来，正是我们的税款通过入侵、占领、禁运、国家政变而辛勤工作，摧毁了海地。海地人民为他们不幸的国家带来秩序的一切企图，只是将其视为一个掠夺之地。然后用令人厌恶的、卑鄙的侮辱来折磨这些我们无休止的掠夺和忽视的受害者，这是无知、傲慢和傲慢的最低点。在一个又一个国家，我们故意制造破坏和混乱，然后当然将他们的生活质量低下归咎于幸存者。

印度裔美国人的家庭收入中位数是美国最高的，甚至超过了犹太人口。没有厕所可能会激励他们比那些收入少了三万多、偷懒的挪威裔美国人更加努力地工作。

By the math here 1 Indian household is roughly equivalent to 1 Norwegian plus 1 Mexican. President Trump’s skill based immigration plan would likely bring a lot more Asians into the country vs Nordics. They have the brains, the hunger and the desire to live in a country with a better environment and more temperate weather.

“Trump may have used incautious and undiplomatic language,”

Or, he may not have. Considering the sources claiming he did, it’s doubtful that he said any such thing. Those who claim he said “shitholes are serial liars in need of rude handling.

No, willem1, if anything Haiti is worse now than it was 30-40 years ago, with the possible exception that you mighthave been hacked to death or tortured by tontons macoutes back then. Might want to leave this section in.

Haiti was shithole as far back as the days when there was no interference from the USA. In 1791, there wasn’t even much of a US Navy or State Department. If you want to place blame outside Haiti for what Haiti has always been since those days, blame the French.

The French established Haiti as a hellhole for African slaves,in order to gain riches via sugar plantations, then allowed it to become a shithole once those slaves overthrew their masters. If you find the article, post a link to it.

How can anyone, unaided by the better grades of mushroom, expect people from such Trumpian–yes, hell holes–to fit into Iowa? They have nothing in common with Americans–not language, schooling, religion, morals, familiarity with civilization, European heritage or, it would seem, intelligence.

I’ll tell you how. The Jewish power brokers (e.g., Schumer) do everything the can to subdivide, adulterate, and sow chaos among the goyim, while retaining strict racial purity, tight borders, and uniculturalism for Israel.

The reason is that the Tribe can maintain a tight grip when they are unified and everyone else is divided.

Always ask… 崔非呢？

I understand that there were five (5) people in the room. Three refute what Durban says and Lindsey Graham neither confirms nor refutes it. Apparently, he either is confused or has a memoty lapse.

Well, yes & no. Not everyone sees it that way. Depends on what you value more.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/african-americans-moving-africa-180116092736345.html

Iowa is entirely dependent on Pentagon socialism. Endless handouts of defense department welfare and entitlements.

Midwest evangelicals view the world as a fairy tale of two extremes thus vast swaths of flyover country are the ‘go-to’ hicks of empire – management, production, hyper-patriotism and opiates – a more magnificent spectacle of a shithole.

During my US Navy time back in the 70s, I saw a lot of coastal Asia, and the standard of living often shocked me, a kid who grew up in middle-class suburban Chicago. Revisiting some of these cities today is equally shocking, but for a different reason–the transformation over the intervening years has been nothing short of amazing.

Sorry, but this is hardly comprehensible. Much of Asia is the cradle of civilization covered with temporary dirt.

Haiti, on the other hand, along with Subsaharan Africa & most blacks inhabited Caribbean, is the example of impeccable shitholerry, now & then. And forever.

美国人是维持富人生存所需的宝贵体液的下一个来源。在这一点上，任何隐藏黑帮统治的借口都留给了那些戴着小猫帽子的假进步人士。对他们来说，特朗普是我们应该关注的重要人物——关注他的每一句话。

都是木偶戏。对于许多美国人来说，未来要么是在亚马逊仓库、监狱里做海地式的贱人工作，要么是贫困总是导致的早逝。

If you want to improve their lives, an impulse I commend, do it in Haiti.

This should be etched in stone with gold.

If there is improvement, then it will be an improvement that will be in jive with and as per their local culture allows. There is little hope we will be seeing atom smashers being built in Haiti in the foreseeable future but that does not preclude things like reasonable plumbing and electricity and a rise in the overall healthcare.

You may not want them inhabiting your town, but there’s no reason not to want well for them where they are at. I like Mr. Reed’s attitude on this.

和平：

… but said “nation-state unilateralism” would make it harder to tackle global warming and ecological damage.”

I believe you that the headline was “Trumped up” (get it, haha), but it’s the same BS – gotta agree with Wally on the gist of it.

I’m just wondering whether these NGO’s and Davos Men understand that a shithole is a shithole, no matter whether it was created by indigenous population having no ability to create a civilization along with a population that gets too large for the land, or whether it’s from importing way too many people from shithole countries. Do they know that shitholes, as a hole ;-}, are not really the best thing for Mother Gaia? I’m sure most of them know that the Global Climate Disruption(TM) deal is complete nonsense, so there’s no need to tackle anything there.

Without a lot of foreigners, America cleaned up pretty damn good, by 1980 or so. I would imagine if people have a notion that they have a stake in the land (blood/soil) for their progency, they will make a much better effort to keep their countries shithole-free, were they able based on ability (unlike the Haitians).

Iowa is entirely dependent on Pentagon socialism. Endless handouts of defense department welfare and entitlements.

Yes, that is explained by all the corn. You do know that Iowa is one big-ass cornfield, don’t you?

Is corn some kind of new stealth material for super-projectiles the Pentagon is all a gog-gog about? I have not been privy to anything with my low security clearance categorization.

And what they could be is what they are.

The neo-Marxists tell us that these savages are a ‘plus’ for The West in spite of them not being a plus for Haiti / Africa.

‘Plus’ then = equals voting for Democrats/Leftists

Mogadishu in Somalia meanwhile is experiencing a housing boom while the country recovers from the chaos of the 90s.

This is right, the private-sector economy is doing fairly well – there aren’t crazy government bureaucracies getting in the way. I have read multiple articles where Somalis are even movign back to Somalia:

http://www.hurstpublishers.com/somalias-diaspora-slowly-returning-mogadishu/

Hopefully, if they can get they extremist violence down even more, things will be even better. This seems to be a very good development for everyone including their host countries. If Somalia is stable, then European countries will not think it is so bad if they send certain people back for misbehaving.

和平：

The interventions into Haiti’s politics from outsiders also cannot be dismissed. It’s like pointing at Iraq now and mentioning the open sewage in the streets but forgetting we bombed the hell out of their water treatment and energy plants. You make some good points.

和平：

“先生。特朗普表示，接纳来自挪威的移民会更明智。他当然是完全正确的。目前尚不清楚为什么挪威人会为了美国的社会混乱、种族暴力和堕落文化而离开他们有序和文明的国家，但没关系。”

共和党曾经贬低“旧欧洲”为社会主义深渊。全民医疗保健、高公民标准和慷慨的“福利”。当然，它们看起来像我们，但会破坏我们的达尔文乌托邦。时代多么变化啊！

也许可以招募成就斐然的安德斯·贝林·布雷维克 (Anders Behring Breivik)。 77人死亡、319人受伤，不容小觑！他出身于路德宗，现在追随奥丁并警告女权主义、伊斯兰教和“文化马克思主义”是“文化自杀”。致力于“民族民族主义”的“反圣战分子”、共济会成员和圣殿骑士。听起来有点熟？他甚至在审判开始时就授予了希特勒勋章！

理智没有问题。避免服兵役并患有“自恋型人格障碍”。在美国担任高级职位的资格。和其他挪威人一样，他工作勤奋。现在正在攻读政治学学士学位——想象一下他的简历吧！

如果得到积极评估，他将在十 (10) 年“预防性拘留”后被释放。每死亡一个残酷的48天监禁！只需 PlayStation 2 即可提高运动技能！

So keep Anders in mind. One thing’s for sure – he’s not from Haiti. He’d find plenty of friends – just as white and high IQ – here at Unz. Maybe he could write articles and host a blog. The NRA could even hire him as a spokesperson!

No chance exists of integrating such people into the United States. It is insane to try. If you want to improve their lives, an impulse I commend, do it in Haiti

Much the same could be said of most Third World nations, but I have seen and do know Haitians that have assimilated nicely.

And indeed, they’re often far more pleasant than the ‘chip on the shoulder’ generation of angry and militant (and hyper-racist) American-born and Hollywood-bred blacks, who feel that whitey owes them everything.

As for helping them, what they need is birth control, but between the white American liberals who always want more and more blacks and browns, (even as Africa stares at a looming demographic catastrophe) and white American Christians, (who know that every sperm is sacred), none seem to be forthwith.

Haiti, more than anything else is a microcosm of the disaster of blind, mindless human breeding, that all peoples of the (especially emerging Third) world seem to be engaged in with a vengeance. Or, failing that, (the West is) importing super-breeders from the Third World to guarantee the kinds of inevitable problems you’ll have when you over-burden your 有限 ecosystems and living space out of 无穷 greed, stupidity, and tribalism.

“It’s like pointing at Iraq now and mentioning the open sewage in the streets but forgetting we bombed the hell out of their water treatment and energy plants.”

Talha, your comparison does not hold. Before that illegal, immoral war, the Iraqis were indeed able to build and maintain those water treatment and energy treatment plants, and it’s precisely the American bombing you mentioned that destroyed them (with horrendous consequences, most especially for children). The Haitians on the other hand have never been able to build anything of the kind, or even maintain that which was built for them by others.

Ammunition too. The magic of the surburbs is that this type of thing has been hidden. The magic of grade school social studies is ‘bauxite over here, corn over there, here’s the white house and the capitol, with American flag poles’

Once the Mob’s interloping ceases to turn other countries into intolerable hell holes fences will need to be erected at the border with the arrows pointing the other way. Then the traveling shoe will be on the other foot.

Does “racism” and the legacy of slavery that was abolished in 1804 in a hideous orgy of mass-murder, and the ghosts of all the French men, women, children, toddlers, and infants who were slaughtered, tortured, raped, gang-raped, and mutilated well over 200 years ago by negro slaves, magically explain why the average IQ of Haitian is 67 and why Haiti is a hell-hole and the worst nation in the Western Hemisphere, Africa in the Caribbean?

Hey fredyetagain,

Talha, your comparison does not hold.

Not completely – as you point out the locals have to take responsibility for their own dysfunctions and pathologies.

I don’t know if you’ve come across the fairly short (sometimes comical) read “The CIA’s Greatest Hits”:

作者提到：
“Before that could begin, however, the Haitian military had to be further strengthened. CIA money began flowing to Haiti, which had already seen US aid double during the Reagan years. The CIA set up an anti-narcotics service called-appropriately-SIN (“national intelligence service”). As one CIA man admitted, SIN used its millions in CIA subsidies mainly to suppress popular movements by means of torture and assassination. Far from combating drugs, many SIN officers engage in the drug trade themselves.
In 1990, elections were finally allowed. Haitians stunned the US by rejecting the candidate we preferred in favor of a left-wing Catholic priest, Jean Bertrand Aristide. The Bush administration could scarcely conceal its joy when Haiti’s US-trained military deposed Aristide eight months later.”

But it is obvious the CIA was instrumental in keeping the Duvalier regime in place and the army and the dreaded “Tonton Macoutes” (who kept people in line with machetes) funded all in the name of fighting Communism:
Promoting Polyarchy: Globalization, US Intervention, and Hegemony (Cambridge Univ)
Our hands are not clean – we helped prop up a murderous, drug-dealing military regime – but is that really news to anyone given our conduct in South America?

Can we at least say that Haiti was never simply left to its own devices?

和平：

又一想，麦考特一家从纽约搬回了利默里克。 显然，他们有第一手资料，知道利默里克的粪坑比纽约的粪坑更好。

最后，在刑法废除后的 25 年内，爱尔兰天主教徒建立了都柏林大学学院，并在爱尔兰各地保留了令人印象深刻的学院群。 我不知道如何断言爱尔兰共和国在任何方面都可以与海地或索马里相媲美。

“How is Haiti “still paying the price”?”

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/analysis/Haiti-The-Price-of-Liberation-20141231-0006.html

“Did France give them IQs in the 60s?”

IQ is genetic and environmental.

“And why haven’t you volunteered to help them?”

Been there, done that. How about yourself? Are you ready to give back to the world that you live in?

“Yeah, there was lots of barbarism, all over the world, and I’ve read that the French treatment of those slaves was nothing like the fairly good treatment blacks got in the South (US).”

Fake News Story. The treatment of slaves in the South was generally poor, considering that their ancestors had been ripped from their homeland, put in chains, and forced to work at gunpoint to till the soil to make someone else rich.

“Still, that was > 200 years ago! If people can’t get their shit(hole) together in 200 years, they are NEVER gonna.”

You truly are ignorant.

https://www.ukessays.com/essays/politics/the-unstable-country-of-haiti-politics-essay.php

“You’ve got a lot of nerve coming on here with your shitholier-than-thou attitude and telling us the Hatians are still the Europeans’ problem.”

The problems that Haiti endures today is the result of European colonization AND long-standing political and economic instability.

Things will get real once the financial bubble of stupidity we are in pops. There are still lots of good decent Americans that may be able to set things on the right course then.

Oops, the link to the book didn’t go through:
Promoting Polyarchy: Globalization, US Intervention, and Hegemony (Cambridge Univ)

Read a couple pages from the sub-chapter “From Duvalier to Aristide: the aborted transition to polyarchy”

“Does “racism” and the legacy of slavery that was abolished in 1804 in a hideous orgy of mass-murder, and the ghosts of all the French men, women, children, toddlers, and infants who were slaughtered, tortured, raped, gang-raped, and mutilated well over 200 years ago by negro slaves…”

The French brought it upon themselves. Did you expect the Haitians to ask nicely for their freedom?

“magically explain why the average IQ of Haitian is 67 and why Haiti is a hell-hole and the worst nation in the Western Hemisphere, Africa in the Caribbean?”

You, as well, are truly ignorant.

https://www.ukessays.com/essays/politics/the-unstable-country-of-haiti-politics-essay.php

你读过弗兰克·麦考特的书吗？ 赤贫、饥饿？ 他们只是搬回来一段时间然后留在美国？
五十年代有多少人在爱尔兰大学学习？ 哪个百分比可以忽略不计？ 所有完成的人都离开了。
And mentality wise: I lived in Galway at the beginning of the eighties and there were 7 public clocks. I counted them. And none showed the right time. Ireland was still mentally recovering from the penal laws. I remember the jokes about the Irish being told in England. I remember how they were considered a criminal, stupid underclass that couldn´t control its impulses. They sold “Irish” cups in curio shops in England An Irish cup was a cup with the handle inside.
我仍然看到了相似之处。 非常小的土地所有者砍伐了那里的每一棵树。 梅奥公司几乎完全被剥光。 感觉国家是陌生的。 无法遏制自由农民的无政府主义倾向。 但好的方面是，一个终于解放了自己的民族的自豪感。

There are many mysteries in life.

Among them are why anybody talks to the like of Insane McCain or Little Linda Graham or why any country allows any Israeli, Zionist or known Jew to land on their territory.

These would seem to be just common sense rules, no?

海地聚会的画面是他们罪恶本性的精神奴役的实际表现，使他们沉迷于巫毒、巫术和恶魔崇拜。撒旦是这个世界的“神”，因为“罪对任何人来说都是一种耻辱”，所以这些人就陷入了所有负面后果的泥沼中。如果他们斥责他们的假偶像，那么神就能与他们同工。无论有多少金钱或援助，都无法解决他们内部的缺陷。

言归正传，美国已经将基督排除在外，以至于如果里德先生在本文中给出的类似描述在勇敢者之家没有变得司空见惯，我也不会感到惊讶。

更多的非洲人住在棚户区的棚屋里，就像你在约翰内斯堡郊区看到的那样。我想你可以称它们为房子。

海地历史

Source: Library of Congress

Before the arrival of Europeans, Arawak (also known as Taino) and Carib Indians inhabited the island of Hispaniola. Although researchers debate the total pre-Columbian population (estimates range from 60,000 to 600,000), the detrimental impact of colonization is well documented. Disease and brutal labor practices nearly annihilated the Indian population within 50 years of Columbus’s arrival.

Spain ceded the western third of the island of Hispaniola to France in 1697. French authorities quelled the island’s buccaneer activity and focused on agricultural growth. Soon, French adventurers began to settle the colony, turning the French portion of the island, renamed Saint- Domingue, into a coffee- and sugar-producing juggernaut. By the 1780s, nearly 40 percent of all the sugar imported by Britain and France and 60 percent of the world’s coffee came from the small colony. For a brief time, Saint-Domingue annually produced more exportable wealth than all of continental North America.

仅将其视为掠夺场所。

Exactly what was there to pillage from Haiti? Should we have invaded based on our pathological fear of communism – NO we should have left the place alone, even when a natural disaster struck and let them sort it out themselves. Do you really think left to their own devices Haiti would be anything other than a shithole?

I wish Trump had told the pearl-clutchers – Yes I said shithole. What about Haiti isn’t a shithole?

Trump needs to completely destroy the Overton Window.

Send every Somalian back to Somalia – win, win.

Yes, if like in that article, they see “racism” everywhere. I wonder what “ism” they will start seeing once they get to Africa?

我不仅读过麦考特的书，而且还亲自认识他。 他把他的父亲描绘成一个彻头彻尾的醉汉，让家庭陷入贫困。 不完全准确的是，这名男子喝酒，但在英国的一家军火工厂工作，但偶尔也养家糊口。 如果你相信乔伊斯的这段情节解释了他的移民，那就解释了为什么你会接受他作为可靠的向导。

一个被嘲笑为笨到连茶杯都拿不住的民族，却能在一代人的时间内创建一个完全融入欧盟的现代国家，这并不奇怪。

树木。 你确实知道有一场饥荒，这场饥荒造成的死亡人数比内战双方克钦独立军的死亡人数加起来还要多XNUMX万人。 因此，每一寸可用土地都得到利用的想法不应让您感到惊讶。 顺便说一句，有多少爱尔兰树木没有被用来建造皇家海军？

Amen Brother Achmed– One need only compare the photos of the White South African squatter camps on the edges of the garbage dump to what you see all over Haiti.

Sure – contact your Congressman or Senator to get this started – and also ask them not to follow it up with another “Black Hawk Down” invasion. Let people be and trade with them in mutually beneficial commerce – they don’t send their young men here and we don’t send our (heavily-armed) young men there. Win, win – 100%

和平：

“It is not clear why Norwegians would leave their ordered and civilized country for the social chaos, racial violence, and degraded culture of America … ”

I would advise all foreign White people to steer clear of the U.S. In another generation or two, thanks to the POC psychological warfare specialists in culture and academia, and White masochists in government and business, this country will be a Black and Brown ghetto built on top of the bones of what was a Western nation.

The African Hitler will be an American. He’ll be wearing John Boyega’s devil mask.

请记住，我们去那里是因为美国黑人抱怨美国在卢旺达没有采取任何行动，而非洲又发生了一场人道主义危机，我们需要“帮助”。我当然不想让我们卷入其中。

对于美国的一大群人来说，这是一个大问题，他们更认同自己的种族或民族，而不是国家。

In some sections of the great and famous city of Singapore, people are still sh*ting in the streets. ‘Nuff said…..

Bro, we stormed those beaches in 1992 cameras were rolling:

The Rwandan genocide happened in 1994.

What you are saying does not compute. Look, even without US Blacks involved in the decision; can we admit the US has been doing imperial nonsense around the world? I mean, Blacks were nowhere near decision-making places and we were helping oust governments we didn’t like.

I like the US and my fellow citizens, but Uncle Sam has an imperial crack-habit that predates Civil Rights.

和平：

里德娶了一位犹太裔墨西哥妇女，这似乎可以解释他支持墨西哥非法移民到美国的立场。他 2016 年 9 月有关 11-XNUMX 的文章表明了他真正的忠诚所在

can dance without biting their bottom lip

They don’t bite their 己 嘴唇。

Meeting the Cannibal Tribes of Indonesian New Guinea

I have been against all of our interventions with the sole exception of being duped in the first Iraq war. I only gave it tepid support because I thought that Hussein might invade Saudi Arabia and trigger an Israeli response ending in a big cluster-F in the ME. Yes, I agree that we are sticking our noses into places we don’t belong.

However, our imperial overreach is not entirely disconnected from our domestic policies. We went into Kosovo partly based on all the “genocide” garbage put out by the Jewish influenced media. I may have the timeline wrong but I do remember all the crap in the media about how “nobody cares because it is blacks being killed” that was pushing the Bush administration to “do something” that got us into Somalia.

man you are suffering from white man’s burden fatigue. I say, get off the golf course, roll up your sleeves and get down to the business of helping your fellow man. you will go to your grave knowing that you made a positive difference. remember that yesterday’s savage (you) is today’s civilised and today’s savage might become tomorrow’s who knows what? the only certainty in life is that nothing is certain.

证明给我看。你这个撒谎的流氓！

Perhaps you should ask your African-American friends, acquaintances, neighbors & colleagues about their experiences with racism.

一个简单的算术错误——我使用了 1 万人口，而不是 10 个人；当时的实际数字是 7 万，每年每 71 万人中就有 100 人被谋杀，标准差为每年每 1 万人中 100 人，或者说当局将谋杀率的三个标准差加到总人口谋杀率中。

I see there there are still morons who believe the crap on Wiki.

I moved from London to New York, The other choice was Zurich. The guys in Singapore were becoming interested.

我搞砸了。

如果我理解正确的话，协助外国政府，即（b）乌干达，入侵卢旺达，在莱文沃斯堡训练即将进行种族灭绝的政府领导人，在那里训练你的将军，为（b）乌干达军队提供持续的补给航班，将你的外交使团转移到（b）乌干达控制的（穆林迪IIRC）领土，怂恿对比翁巴省的800,000万胡图人进行种族清洗，建立一个虚假的谈判进程，要求卢旺达政府有效解除武装，而你继续武装卢旺达政府(b)乌干达军队，以及迫使卢旺达政府接受全副武装的乌干达(“RPA”)特遣队，不仅在首都，而且特别在政府大楼等地，并不构成干预。

我认为你并不认为入侵卢旺达并试图阻止卢旺达胡图族逃往邻国以逃避卡加梅种族灭绝的600名美国特种部队也是一种干预。

FWIW，不干预的幻想是僵尸。克里斯·布莱克（Chris Black）和罗宾·菲尔波特（Robin Philpot）等人已经对它的证据进行了破解。

但你不必担心胡图族人会大量涌入西方。少数这样做的人通常会受到虚假的起诉，以至于相比之下卢旺达问题国际法庭看起来是合法的，但最终却被定罪。在PC警察的积极协助和支持下。

达莱尔和他的同伴不得不在证人席上承认联攻派只在首都。针对图西族的屠杀主要发生在首都以外，因此不是图西族领导人（罗伯特·卡朱加）联攻派民兵（“同龄人”）所为。

联合国维和人员甚至为真正的联攻派民兵提供了防弹背心。

尽管资源匮乏，卢旺达军队仍多次试图阻止对图西族的报复性杀戮。卢旺达参谋长甚至向乌干达人提出自己作为人质，以换取停火，以便军队能够制止报复性杀戮。美国赞助的 (b)乌干达人拒绝了。

达莱尔从未试图警告任何即将发生的种族灭绝。

其中大部分信息是在“军事二号”审判过程中获得的，并且实际上没有争议。人权观察的故事实际上是有争议的。

Maybe Miss Lindsey is about ready to back away from his little hissy fit he threw after the meeting. He could come out tomorrow and call Durbin a liar and I would still despise his ass, though.

Wait a minute, here. What does corn have to do with holes, anyway? Nevermind. I get it now.

Bush the First was on a high aftet the Gulf War and figured Somalia would be a piece of cake. Clinton was left to deal with it afterwards and did not have much luck.

“Remember, we went there because US blacks were whining that the US did nothing in Rwanda”

Not exactly. Most black Americans didn’t know then and don’t know now what was/is happening in Somalia, and probably few gave/give a shit. BTW, black Americans despise African immigrants and the feeling is mutual.

American combat troops were sent there so that GHW Bush could posture, preen, and jack off in secret over the military action. If GHW ever cared what black people whined about, he has never given any indication of it. The combat troops were sent after military logistical personnel and equipment had been assigned to transport food and medicines to Somalia as part of a UN initiative.

There is plenty of documentation about the original mission, and the resulting mission creep. US presidents seem to love having the UN use the US military as a humanitarian aid organization, probably because it can easily lead to a president using the US military for its actual designed purpose, that of a war making force.

问题是：
“How is Haiti “STILL paying the price”?”

And I can give you a link to a brief history of US independence.
Yet we have done rather nicely since.
Haiti? They never will because they have negro Haitians.
They were better off under the French, obviously so.
Of course the only reason that negros got to Haiti was because back Africans sold them.
“非洲酋长敦促为奴隶贸易道歉
尼日利亚民权组织说，部落领导人的祖先将人们卖给了奴隶，应该对不起。”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/18/africans-apologise-slave-trade

IOW, they’re stupid because of their genes and their environment. You proved my point.

You lie. You have never volunteered to help shithole Haiti.

I never took anything, no need to give back.

干杯

让我们面对现实吧，最大的烂摊子是纽约、好莱坞/硅谷和华盛顿特区。我们知道谁在管理它们。

几十年后，美国白人占多数的情况将成为历史。现在是你的时候了，我建议你充分利用它，因为当你失去权力时，所有白人至上主义者（如里德先生）都会尝到早已到来的复仇的滋味。

If today’s social engineers would figure out why Black Africa remains the hell-hole it’s been for the past 5,0000+ years, fixing Haiti would be child’s play.

I would guess it’s far worse.

我记得在八十年代读过一篇关于巴布亚新几内亚反政府抗议活动的故事。 照片中，一群穿着各种部落装备的人站在皮卡车后面，指着路上的一个大洞。 他们抱怨政府干涉部落事务，却没有解决问题。 他们让我想起了我的同胞。

As they are in Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, and San Francisco.

After examining immigration standards required for becoming a citizen of Norway, few white Americans would qualify, and probably no blacks.

…depicting a tribal group performing a religious ceremony and an attractive blonde will naturally say “Yes, I want the young lady in my country”.

Do you honestly believe that the average American black, upon comparing the two pictures, would not choose the young lady over the head-hunters? Blacks are often accused of being dumb, but few would be dumb enough to choose the head-hunters. – least I hope so

There’s truth in what you say. Conversing and dealing with the average black from Jamaica is enough to make you wonder if they are not from an entirely different specie than American blacks. You have to experience it to believe.

Too funny. The most hilarious post I’ve ever read.

Interestingly enough what might be decedents of the original natives of the island of Hispaniola can be found in Santo Domingo which shares the other half of the same island and when compared to Haiti is a virtual Garden of Eden. Same island, same climate, same everything except Haiti is inhabited by blacks while Santo Domingo is inhabited by people of Hispanic origin. What gives?

I see there there are still morons who believe the crap on Wiki

.

Are you referring to me or to the actual morons who do use Wiki ?

This history of Haiti is from the US Library of Congress.

You’ve heard of it perhaps or at least heard of libraries.

When he’s not banging on about his beloved Mexicans, Mr Reed is admirably clear-sighted.

在某种程度上确实如此，但如果白人从地球上消失，非洲将在不到 20 年的时间里恢复到居住在泥屋里的裸体黑人猎头者的土地。

Probably not. Most American soldiers who ended up in Europe during WW 1 & 2, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq have no idea why they were ever there. I’ll never forget the puzzled look that came over the face of a retired Army friend of mine upon being asked why he was in Vietnam 20 years earlier. Followed by the rather embarrassing admission that he’d really never thought much about it, but assumed he was there to “give them people some freedom, or something.” Pitiful to say the least, but not at all unusual.

听起来海地问题是希拉里需要解决的完美问题。

I remember watching it. It was so funny. The combat ready troops were approaching the coast to establish the beach head and there cameras from all networks were already waiting for them as a welcoming committee.

Yes, assuming he really did say it (and even if he didn’t) why don’t they ever learn that the best defense is always a strong offense. Attempting to disprove negatives is always a loosing strategy that ends with loses increasing with every denial.

The majority of Indians H1B are scam artists with fake degrees. Also a lot of them work as IT project managers and testers. These are not professions that require exceptional skills.

Indians in America on average are not exceptional.

Wiki is no different from other sources of information in that you have to be knowledgeable enough about a wide range of subjects to separate wheat from the chaff. After reaching that point, bullshit becomes as obvious as a turd floating in a punchbowl.

Yeah, I was just a teenager and I remember watching it – even at that age it looked so contrived and silly with the reporters at the beach. They tried to make it look like D-Day or something. Fail.

和平：

You are thinking not of Iowa but about a 75 square mile of Nebraska centered around Omaha, SAC headquarters,
Offut and other Air Force bases.

Right across the river from Western Iowa but a different state.

我们甚至不会在亚马逊仓库里找到工作。仓库工作是为西班牙裔移民保留的。

你在说什么？

爱尔兰一直被森林覆盖，直到伊丽莎白一世时期英国海军和商船队的扩张。英国人不想砍伐自己的森林，几个世纪以来一直在爱尔兰砍伐树木，直到没有森林留下。

爱尔兰人不仅被禁止打猎，而且还被禁止捕鱼。 湖泊和河流都有武装部队把守。

很有意思。 弗兰克·麦考特书中的哪一部分取自乔伊斯？
Regarding Ireland I do believe that there is a lot that resonates with the experience of colonized people of colour. At least that is my view from having lived there at the beginning of the Eighties. Namely: as the normal way of asserting masculinity by advancing in society was barred for so long ambitions of the ones that staid were directed towards “instant masculinity” (ie.assertion of physical prowess) the arts and the priesthood. Never met a more musical people nor a people were tall tales were in higher regard.
The Irish (at least the ones that staid) contributed an absolutely disproportionate amount to world literature. I would also argue that American blacks contributed disproportionally to American culture. Whatever the world regards as “American” music is based on the music of former slaves. I would even argue that the literature of American blacks is much more interesting than the bland middle class bullshit being taught in creative writing classes. Not for me John Updike, Philip Roth and Harold Brodkey. I think Baldwin, Wright and Chester Himes are much more powerful authours. By the way also Faulkner who is part of a very different tradition.
最后，完全偏离主题，我认为南方诚实的种族主义比东海岸的自由主义伪善要好得多。 如果种族分歧能够得到弥合的话，那也将从南方开始。

由于所有的恶魔崇拜，黑非洲是一个地狱。很简单，他们的神是一个邪恶的自私的谋杀怪物，所以他的追随者也会效仿。如果他们转向基督并跟随他，那么神就会从他们身上除去迦南的咒诅。

“Do you honestly believe that the average American black, upon comparing the two pictures, would not choose the young lady over the head-hunters?”

First, it’s a completely biased comparison meant to lead the viewing audience to a desired conclusion.

Second, the group depicted are not “head-hunters”, but an African tribal group.

“Africa would, in less than 20 years, revert back to a land populated by naked black head-hunters dwelling in mud huts.”

Exactly why you give we members of the white race a bad name with your complete ignorance. Take a rudimentary history course on African culture and get back to us.

“Black Africa is a hell hole because of all the rank devil worship.”

对你来说那将是假新闻。大约 45% 的非洲人口是基督徒。

“Rather simple, their god is a foul selfish murdering monster, so will his followers emulate. If they turned to Christ and followed Him then God would remove the curse of Canaan from them.”

So what specifically has led you to believe that God has cursed Africa? Certain Bible passages? Sermons from your local preacher? Do tell…

Nice one, Wally. I was having the same thought.

硅谷？那是洛杉矶郊区与好莱坞重叠的地方吗？

Well, it was clearly a copy-and-paste. I was able to see that it was not from Wiki, but since you were not citing your source, Bill is entirely forgivable for his error.

If citing long quotes from an external source, YOU MIGHT THINK OF STATiNG THE SOURCE or just include a link.

笨蛋。

decedents of the original natives of the island of Hispaniola can be found in Santo Domingo which shares the other half of the same island

嗨卡罗尔，

Not to split hairs but Santo Domingo is the capital city of Dominican Republic, which is the name of the country sharing the island of Hispaniola with Haiti.

inhabited by people of Hispanic origin.

the current inhabitants are basically a mix between European whites with African blacks and others. There are blacks and whites there too, with a mix of just about everything else you can imagine. When the Spanish arrived in the 15th century, there were basically ‘Amerindians’ there, (that had been busy slaughtering each other, just as they were doing everywhere else on the continents). Now they’re gone and they’ve been replaced with all kinds.

Hispaniola has a fascinating history going back to the 真实 加勒比海盗。

It is a beautiful country, but it also does have issues with crushing poverty, small time crime and universal corruption. I’ve been there several times, and I love the place for it’s natural beauty and charms, but it’s going down hill I have to say. The latest in this formerly free and easy nation was being charged for a seatbelt! violation. And then having the car impounded until a corrupt official would come and get his bribe. Lots of shit like that.

But yes, the country is beautiful, the coasts are magnificent, and the people are charming and eager to make friends. It can be very nice in some parts where it’s still quite rustic, but you have to get used to the local ways. (响 little motorcycles everywhere)

Haiti on the other hand was a French slave colony. It used to be called the Jewel of the Caribbean for it’s spectacular natural beauty. Then the black slaves instituted a revolt and slaughtered (or worse) all the whites / French. Since then it has descended into a dystopian hell on earth. Today its a wreck, but I hear there are some forward steps, and that Port Au Prince has OK areas, but I’ve never been to that side of the island. Never had a desire to go.

They have a strong border between the nations and I’ve heard they’ll shoot the Haitians if they catch them coming across. The differences between the natural beauty of the two nations is stark, as the Haitians have overpopulated their side into a mud pit, while the Dominicans still have tones of lush vegetation and beauty.

Thanks for correcting parts of my comment and for the additional information.

通过英国音乐厅对尸体的祝福失败了。

我知道你不喜欢爱尔兰。 我的祖父也没有。 他所知道的一切都是从经历过饥荒的老人那里得知的。

关于爱尔兰的贫困：直到上世纪初，在我的家乡，爱尔兰人都住在三一教堂拥有的棚屋里，院子里勉强有一个冷水龙头和一个terlit。 码头工人的工资是 10 美元，每 XNUMX 个小时轮班一次，他必须尽可能长时间地工作（每小时多加 XNUMX 美分），直到船熄火。 只有在有船的日子里，码头老板才会从形状中挑选他。 最近的一位评论员称其为最接近奴隶制但没有真正奴隶的事情。 当然，重要的是，下村和戈尔韦一样赤贫，而且剥削和犯罪活动可能也更多。 教权主义是我的人民最不担心的。 最近举办的一场名为“（慈善机构）姐妹如何驯服纽约黑帮”的展览并非没有道理。

最后是海地。 我曾经听一位传教士牧师——一个对贫困并不陌生的纽菲人——形容海地是一个男人永远没有一毛钱给孩子买可乐的地方。 绝不。

无可争议美国音乐的黑人创作。 托尼·帕斯特和内德·哈里根会同意这一点。 但有一小部分阿巴拉契亚音乐是证明这一规则的例外。

https://fredoneverything.org/p26/

2005年，里德出版了一本传记，在传记中他称他的妻子是一名皈依犹太人。

我本月早些时候在该页面上读到过这一点。今天，该内容已被删除。

I wouldn’t say that you are right, but you are…well… on the right track.

Except for Jazz that’s obviously of African origin, Folk, Rock, and Country Music have little if any connection to the jungle. While Country, Bluegrass and Folk all trace their origins to Scotland and Ireland. Sure, a few Rock stars with no talent do a decent job of mimicking African witch doctors dancing around fires, but that’s as close as Rock comes to any connection with the Dark Continent. As to Jazz, it sounds like nothing more than a roomful of kids beating on empty pots and pans – at random.

hot damn, so not just the 70s trade policy/meddling but this has been going on for more than 2 centuries, getting closer to 3 now.

海地历史

Source: Library of Congress

I mean, I don’t think renfro can make it any better when this is the start/header of his comment.

and wiki have sources, you can check them out. ones without sources you can question but still not wholly dismiss. if you do, that says alot about you, not the wiki.

YOU MIGHT THINK OF STATiNG THE SOURCE

the very start of his comment.

海地历史

Source: Library of Congress

so, who is the idiot? :)))

“Take a rudimentary history course on African culture ”

Just as soon as they get some.

英国人是最早废除奴隶制的国家之一，因为当有大量饥饿的爱尔兰人时，负责喂养和住房奴隶并没有经济利益。

Cant you little ignorant punks who do nothing here but babble trash look up anything for yourselves?

Here you go stupid.

https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/cs/profiles/Haiti.pdf

Thanks a lot for that interesting conversation. I agree with your comment about the music from Appalachia. About Joyce: I see the light. About Ireland: actually love(d) the place. Especially the tall tales and the fact that you could never quite trust anything anybody ever said. People who see no way to better themselves in the here and now take a flight to fancy. The most Irish book: “At swim two birds”And I love poetry and the greatest poet of all time is Yeats.

I believe every GI knew why he was in a certain country like Germany, Korea, Vietnam,etc., it was because he was ordered to go. After he arrived however, he was very likely to question the need to be there, especially during all the stupid wars following WWII. Our initial purpose in Vietnam was honorable enough, to save the South Vietnamese from being conquered by the communists. But as history shows things got so incredibly screwed up by our illustrious leaders at the time the tragic result was thousands, perhaps millions of needless deaths on both sides. There was an exodus from South Vietnam by all the people who could do so, and demoralized military veterans on our side who still after all these years have the bitter taste of defeat in their mouths.

Afraid not, Sport.

https://spinditty.com/genres/The-African-Roots-of-All-American-Popular-Musical-Styles

http://www.newsobserver.com/entertainment/music-news-reviews/article10078805.html

In some sections of the great and famous city of Singapore, people are still sh*ting in the streets. ‘Nuff said…..

This is a ludicrous assertion to anyone who actually knows Singapore.

我感谢您承认您对人权委员会的支持如此狂热，以至于您甚至无法承认自 29 年 2004 月 XNUMX 日以来美国/加拿大/法国的持续占领包括人权委员会担任国务卿的数年，因此是头号战犯。

汤姆，同意叶芝的观点。 尝试托马斯·弗拉纳根的三部曲《法国之年》、《时间的租户》等。 关于饥荒最好的书是奥弗莱厄蒂的《饥荒》。

不要误会我的意思，弗兰克·麦考特是个好人，所以继续享受他的书！

Easy test! I’ve just returned from Norway and saw the blackamoors dance around the fire. The pretty blond lady I also saw but she was in Hungary.

Fortunately for Trump he didn’t criticize Mexico or Mexicans so Fred wasn’t triggered by Trump’s alleged “shithole” remark and we weren’t treated to the usual pro-mestizo screed coupled with heart rending stories of “Rosa” and pictures of pretty mestiza females to shame and guilt trip white people who don’t want their nation to become Mexio.

You. Those lines were not there at the time.

..and Black History tells you that a Black man invented the cotton gin. And that before White man destroyed it, Africa was filled with gleaming cities that put any in the West to shame. And of course there’s plenty of ignorant uneducated people to believe it. Prior to contact with the white man the nearest thing Africans had to a musical instrument were hollow logs on which to beat, and gourds with two strings strung across them.

“Just as soon as they get some.”

Of course Africa had culture and civilizations. Do you want to know more, citizen, or do you enjoy being ignorant?

If Fred had an inferiority complex resulting from Leftist propaganda he would have taken the remark as referring to Mexico.

see, the thing is, this is the UNZ. you cannot edit any comment past the first 5 mins. those lines were there. the only excuse I can accept is that you misread, maybe.

http://www.fakehatecrimes.org/

Thanks for the effort to correct this guy.

I answered him in no 161 and even gave him the link to the Library of Congress source

https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/cs/profiles/Haiti.pdf

Which he didn’t acknowledge of course….lol

He’s just ignored it and doubled down on his stupidity.

Hey stupid….I answered you in no 161 …. there is no cure for you so move on punk…..even a monkey can learn from repetition… unlike you obviously.

19年2018月9日，格林尼治标准时间下午00:XNUMX

Cant you little ignorant punks who do nothing here but babble trash look up anything for yourselves?

Here you go stupid…

https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/cs/profiles/Haiti.pdf

Well Mr. Reed has some points but it is very complex. Many years ago I lived a few weeks with the Masaii in Tanzania. He is absolutely right , they kind of stick out on Manhatten, red scarves, elongated necks, teacup big holes in the ears, they were a welcoming and courteous people, ignorant, not uncivilized, but ignorant on many things, but definitely with structure and values to their society. It was an education beyond.
I am terribly upset when here in Sweden I see people degrade themselves by just littering or not being civil to others.Simple values like those are in fact what defines society.

The real problem is women in places like Norway have Jungle Fever and want to have sex with black men from sh**holes nations.

It’s the European women who welcome African invaders in EU.

Also, cucky white men worship blacks as studs and athletes and their ‘may the best man win’ means that inferior white men should relinquish their women to black men who are superior because they can beat up white guys.

欧比：

As you earlier stated, Frank McCourt’s 安吉拉的灰烬 从很多方面来说都是虚构的作品。

I disagree with your assertion that Frank was “a good guy” although I respect it since you personally knew him.

回到 灰烬. There have been several articles chronicling deficiencies in its narrative. Off-hand here’s one of them. McCourt claimed abject poverty for himself in Limerick. Whereas there are photographs of a very well-nourished McCourt decked out in the blazer of a posh Limerick school.

出于自我仇恨，一些爱尔兰人让犹太人蒙羞。 弗兰克·麦考特就是其中之一。 他还制作了一个包裹，鞭打他的祖国和出生地。

As an example of Frank on steroids, I give you his brother Malachy. When last heard of Malachy was bloviating on WBAI, New York’s premier left-wing radio station.

海耶斯先生，

艺术是一个讲述真理的谎言。 问题是安吉拉的骨灰的谎言是否说出了更大的真相。 我自己永远无法克服第一个也是最大的谎言：每个爱尔兰天主教徒的童年都是悲惨的。 这个谎言显然是不真实的，它不可能是为真理服务的。 另一方面，孩子们的韧性和幽默感对这本书的救赎起了很大作用。

弗兰克从这本书中赚钱了吗？ 是的。 他这么做是背叛了爱尔兰人吗？ 不超过乔伊斯。

小马拉奇也不合我的口味。 但每一个小马拉奇都有一个阿尔菲和一个迈克尔。

最后，在我向汤姆提到了一些书之后，我试图想出一本在探索某些黑暗方面远远超过安吉拉的书。 在这方面，我推荐布莱恩·摩尔（Brian Moore）的《朱莉娅·赫恩的孤独激情》（The Lonely Passion of Julia Hearn）。 感谢您的评论。

奥比，

感谢您的谨慎回应，这是 UR 网站的特色。

And I will read Brian Moore’s book.

their problem is the same as many countries—-they cant rid themselves of dictators who steal the money and suck the country dry.

But… ummm… White countries HAVE, you see.

So why hasn’t Haiti – or dozens of other (Black) holes ?

Ahhh… Yes… Of course. Whites know how to build a civilisation. Blacks don’t.

So let’s try that again: It’s all about RACE, stupid..!

The thing about Time is, it kind of… goes a long way back.

Or have you actually been believing the politically-correct, SJW White-hating racist propaganda horseshit, that Whites are responsible for every single evil thing that ever happened on earth – and especially to every Black ?

你不知道你在说什么。

1) “For over a hundred years, it has been our tax money hard at work, through invasions, occupations, embargoes, coupes d’etat, that destroyed any and all attempts of the Haitian people to bring order to their hapless country, regarding it only as a place of pillage”

2) “our never-ending plundering and neglect”

America may have comprehensively fucked half the middle east to hell – at the SOLE behest of the Jewish psycopaths who call the shots for Israel from the Washington lobby groups – but there is not a shred of evidence that the USA has in any way at any time been involved in the various Black disasters of Haiti. If you want to blame anyone – other than 300 years of non-working, non-achieving, non-caring Blacks themselves – then blame the (entirely Black and Jewish) slave-masters who created Haiti as a festering hellhole of misery, death and demonic evil in the first place.

I believe every african american is responsible for their own well being. they are americans = more advantageous than every single new immigrant. if first generation immigrants can take care of themselves, why native born AA cannot? especially given affirmative action for the last 30 years or so.

but we are talking about haiti, not native born blacks right?

A very hypocritical defense. The orange buffon is calling countries shitholes at the exact same time his diplomats are grovelling to them to look out for terrorists set to attack us. I’m sure they’ll increase their vigilance, now. LOL The comment wasn’t necessary. It was stooopid. That it was true is an even dumber excuse. Conservatives need to quit ‘doubling down’ on dumb. Don’t like the Libs? Well, excusing politicians’ stupidity will give them the advantage.

移民与其他国家无关。这是关于剥夺和取代白人的。这是犹太人对白人使用的种族灭绝策略。

重点不是白人支持墨西哥人，从长远来看不是。推动移民的犹太人希望墨西哥人取代白人。

海地=爱尔兰？
是的，但是智商有20点

没有提到平均智商这一种族特征。没有提到犹太人对白人的种族煽动的敏感性。

这些不是难民。他们是建立美国的白人的种族灭绝替代者。

任何时候、任何地点存在的每一个黑人占多数的社会都是一个粪坑。 “白人殖民剥削”是犹太人的煽动性叙事。

海地从来没有原住民。你提到的人几乎肯定是谋杀篡夺者，他们在上一个冰河时期杀害了以前的白令海峡移民。

犹太复国主义假装促进“平等”，只是在某种程度上强加了种族的虚假可替代性，至少在足够长的时间内通过社会工程对白人进行种族灭绝。

我们每天都在加沙看到犹太复国主义的真面目。

美国的印第安人逃脱了种族主义经济黑帮/任人唯亲的惩罚，这会让白人被烧死在火刑柱上，这要归功于整个联邦官僚机构被犹太人武装起来，以任何和所有可以想象/难以想象的方式摧毁白人。

印度移民之所以成功，是因为他们的早期教育没有刻意灌输“智商75”的“等于”。

布雷维克？不是这样的统计异常值，而是犹太首席执行官、新保守派和社会工程师的得分怎么样，他们每两三分钟的得分就与布雷维克的得分相匹配？
还是因为俄罗斯没有全国步枪协会而屠杀了 50 万斯拉夫人的犹太政委？

那么控制美国 150 年、每时每刻都在操纵黑人对抗白人的犹太至上主义者呢？

我不知道有任何真正的“白人至上主义者”：这是一个用来操纵黑人的犹太人煽动标签。

he now follows Odin

I thought you were joking so I looked that up…(face palm).

I wonder if the neo-pagan equivalent of CAIR put out a press release stating not all neo-pagans are like this and that neo-paganism means “peace”.

圣殿骑士

Hmmm…do they know this? Like did they issue him a member card? My how their standards have dropped since the Crusades. I guess the next step is opening up membership to Satanists?

和平：

They also seem to willingly taking it in the Hershey Highway, as long as the penetrator is dark meat.

Talha, that post to which you reply is insane, not to implying that your reply to it is.

你指的是硅树脂还是硅谷？我对你的帖子的准确印象是你不知道差异。

学习它会给你的教育带来一点好处。

This seems like a compromise White Nationalists could agree to since there is no progeny.

Maybe they can come out with public service announcements:
If you’re going to have sex with a Black man, do your race the courtesy to take it in the back side.

Or more direct:
Sodomy; the fatherland demands it!

And it can have one of those really cool throwback propaganda themes to it (“Of course I can!”):

Everybody’s happy! You’re welcome.

和平：

I just spit my coffee on the phone.

But it is logical!

“I thought you were joking…”

Wish I was. Breivik may well be an Unz regular:

“…convinced he was a warrior in a “low intensity civil war” and had been chosen to save his people…believed himself to be the “knight Justiciar grand master”…Six hours before the attacks, Breivik posted a picture of himself as a Knight Templar…the purpose of the attack was to save Norway and Western Europe from a Muslim takeover…the Labour Party had to “pay the price” for “letting down Norway and the Norwegian people.”

– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

Immanent peril, conspiracies, scapegoats. Those evil [Muslims, Jews, Haitians, Africans – take your pick]. Familiar laments at Unz. Is it dangerous?

Check out Breivik’s manifesto (great sleep aid):
https://sites.google.com/site/knightstemplareurope/2083

His video (also a great sleep aid):
‘2083 – European Declaration of Independence by Knights Templar Anders Behring Breivik.flv’
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0C9ihwzJp8abk1penU5T1lhdVU/view

Appears to be a self-appointed (neo?) Templar. L’Ordre was tried at Cathédrale St-Maurice de Vienne Oct 1311 – Apr 1312 (Philippe le Bel and Clément V needed cash). The last genuine members – accused of heresy and more sordid behavior – were burned to death in 1314. Seven hundred years ago.

Is Breivik an isolated case of Templar-envy? Judge for yourself:

Onward Christian soldiers, Marching as to war
“my grandfather was a VIP in the Knights Templers”
[图片]
“if the Christian church ever remembers that there were men in their ranks in ages past, and not the homo-immigrant-Zionist/shekel-suckers that make up “Christian” leadership today…perhaps like these Russian Orthodox types:”
[图片]
“then I suspect that there’s something that might just stir in the dormant blood of Europa, and awaken the noble soul of our ancestors…”

– https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/fighting-israels-wars/#comment-2101980

“you know I was always taught that the crusaders were mean and irrational…
until I was able to see Zionism in action, and ISIS in action, and realized that those proud and noble Christian knights were simply leaving their homes and families and marching thousands of miles away to drive Satan out from the holy land, and restore honor and grace to Jerusalem.”

-https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/fighting-israels-wars/#comment-2102106

Rurik at his best. Seems Gramps (a banker) was a “VIP” in an ersatz-neo-Temple. Asked if he wore chain mail at home, or just on special occasions (e.g. infidels in the neighborhood). No answer. Wonder what other passions Rurik shares with Breivik.

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You’re saying you’re not a white supremacist?

嘿Incitatus，

Those evil [Muslims, Jews, Haitians, Africans – take your pick]. Familiar laments at Unz. Is it dangerous?

Yeah – there is a way to handle the immigration debate without going overboard. Haitians, Africans, Afghans, etc. – you name it…obviously many want to come to the West. Nothing evil about it, they just want greener pastures, can you blame them? It’s the job of the government to secure the borders. And if they aren’t doing so, we’re supposed to vote in people who do. Rinse, repeat, etc.

Actually Breivik really fits a lot of the profile of the lone-wolf terrorist guys that claim fealty to ISIS right before they go ballistic. Loners, off the grid, radicalizing online in their mom’s basement. I believe Breivik lived with his mom.

The last genuine members – accused of heresy and more sordid behavior – were burned to death in 1314.

That’s what I recall as well, though I wasn’t sure of the century. But hey, these things have a way of popping back up, trust me. We still haven’t gotten rid of the Khawarij strain – they were routed and officially dispersed about 14 centuries ago. Cut off one head of the hydra and it comes back several hundred years later in a new form.

As far as the Crusaders in toto – well, that’s a very difficult one to pin down. Some were quite sincere and had valid concerns – what with the Seljuks cutting off pilgrimage to the Holy Land and the Fatimid ruler (the possibly-mad Hakim Amr Billah) razing the Church of the Holy Sepulcher to the ground. But their actions on the ground were quite varied. Some of them were noble and acted as such – as even recorded by the Muslims. And others…they seemed a despicable lot, fighting for spoils among themselves, butchering even local Orthodox Christians – eventually even sacking and pillaging Constantinople.

I don’t agree with many things with the people I engage with on UNZ, but I heed the words of Prof. Joseph Lumbard:
“If you don’t actively engage real thinkers or figures of opposing views, your blind spots and predilections become prejudices or phobias.”

和平：

I actually thought this gentleman (an immigrant to Sweden – ha!) actually had one of the best, sensible approaches to the subject with any need to throw insults or whatever. He simply breaks it down from a logical, rational approach:

By the way, he has one righteous beard – wow – superb!

嗨Talha，

“there is a way to handle the immigration debate without going overboard.”

Agree. For many at Unz it’s not really about immigration. It’s about power and nihilism. Immigration, race, religion, origins, IQ are fulcrums that can enlist followers. Just add conspiracy and mix.

Assisted living employs quite a few immigrants from Haiti, Africa and the like. Most very competent and compassionate in my experience. Travel and life abroad dispels a lot of xenophobia. Sometimes think Unzers live in mom’s basement and play video games when they’re not blogging.

“As far as the Crusaders in toto – well, that’s a very difficult one to pin down. Some were quite sincere and had valid concerns… their actions on the ground were quite varied…they seemed a despicable lot”

I’d say standards of the times were despicable. Nobody on any side looks very good. Richard I d’Angleterre butchered prisoners in cold blood, Saladin did the same (Templars and Hospitallers). To say little of the Nizari Ismailis, equal opportunity murderers.

Anna Comnène’s ‘Alexiad’ is a fascinating portrait of the First Crusade. Describes Franks as barbarians – especially Bohémond de Taranto, who she seems to admire (lust?). Doesn’t stress the ‘civilized’ continuous Byzantine intrigue, frequent coups, and typical blinding of pretenders (Norwich: Byzantium, three volumes).

Her father Alexis, after all, made the 911 call to Urban II and started the whole mess. Hakim Amr Billah’s destruction of the Holy Sepulcher was a dog-whistle for enlisting crusaders, but it happened 86 years prior to Clermont.

“If you don’t actively engage real thinkers or figures of opposing views, your blind spots and predilections become prejudices or phobias.”

Wise council.

最好。

“No mention of average IQ, a racial characteristic.”

智商可能是一种种族特征，也可能是一种环境因素。

“No mention of susceptibility to Jewish racial agitation against Whites.”

Except Jews are not “racially agitated” when it comes to race. You are peddling Fake News.

“White colonial exploitation” is a Jewish agit-prop narrative.”

No, white colonial exploitation of the 1500’s and onward is a European “invade the world, invite the world” philosophy.

“These are not refugees. They are genocidal replacements for the Whites who built America.”

Actually, Europeans and African slaves helped to build the Thirteen Colonies. America was then built by different groups of people–white, non-white, European, non-European.

你真是历史无知啊。

“The real problem is women in places like Norway have Jungle Fever and want to have sex with black men from sh**holes nations.”

假新闻。

“Also, cucky white men worship blacks as studs and athletes and their ‘may the best man win’ means that inferior white men should relinquish their women to black men who are superior because they can beat up white guys.”

No, not “cucky white men”, just men who enjoy athletics and competition.

I’m just doing my part to help promote racial harmony and reduce conflict.

The campaign can have a catchy phrase:
Nice and tight if it’s White,
In the back if it’s Black

Again – you’re welcome.

和平：

Well, those cities are filled with Asians of one sort or another. Haiti? Not so much.

More proof that magic dirt does not work and you cannot change people that quickly just by transporting them out of their “S#$@hole.”

嘿Incitatus，

Travel and life abroad dispels a lot of xenophobia.

This is quite true. I recently read something by an American who traveled alone through Malawi (I believe he was a Christian missionary). He described that, despite brutal and abject poverty in certain areas, people were very kind and generous and went out of their way to make him (a White guy) feel welcome. He described a scene when a bus he was on broke down and all the passengers waited for it to be fixed and milled around in an adhoc picnic, sharing stories and food. I think he and one other person were the only non-natives.

Nobody on any side looks very good.

Not by our current international post-WW2 standards. Killing or execution of male prisoners on the battlefield was pretty universal. The other option was usually slavery or ransom (if you came from a wealthy enough family). If you were particularly fortunate and the victor was generous, you might be freed on the spot and left to wander back home (sans weapons and armor, of course). Even the great European hero, Charlemagne, put a bunch of recalcitrant captive heathen men to the sword if I recall – two thousand or so.

Though I’m glad we don’t do that now, I really wonder if we would have found it so appalling in those days. Now massacres of unarmed women and children, yeah – that’s pretty disgusting.

Anna Comnène’s ‘Alexiad’ is a fascinating portrait of the First Crusade. Describes Franks as barbarians

I have read a couple of works on the Crusades – I have a book on it looking at things from a fairly neutral military perspective (tactics, weapons, training, etc.), but it seems you have read far more. One interesting article someone posted on another thread was about an incident after the siege of Ma’arra where some Crusaders cannibalized the Muslim dead (they were led by that same Bohemond, thus I guess the barbaric description fits, eh?):
https://www.historychannel.com.au/articles/crusaders-become-cannibals/

Always interesting engaging with you – I learn new things.

和平：

Good catch on the school photo. That’s something I had never read before. McCourt’s books were always too bleak for me to get into, so I’m not enough of a reader of his work to have become a critic. In my own Irish roots, the most recent immigrant arrived here in the 18th century, so my own feeling of kinship to Irish experience has always been faint.

“Mr. Trump’s comment regarding his preference for immigrants from Norway instead of “shithole countries” such as Haiti engendered among the commentariat a great squealing.

I cannot fathom this.”

Really? Then Fred is either dumber than a rock or plainly disingenuous. Words have consequences and the president’s use of gutter language in a public forum is clearly damaging and unworthy of the respect of any civilized person.

非常虚伪的辩护。橙色小丑正在骂那些国家是狗屎，而与此同时，他的外交官却向他们卑躬屈膝，提防准备袭击我们的恐怖分子。我相信他们现在会提高警惕。哈哈，评论是没有必要的。它很愚蠢。说这是真的，这是一个更愚蠢的借口。保守派需要停止对愚蠢的“加倍努力”。不喜欢自由党？好吧，原谅政客的愚蠢会给他们带来优势。

哈哈。很少有评论（如果有的话）是“必要的”。我根本没有听到“橙色小丑”说过任何关于这件事的事情。现在，我们确实连续多天听到迪皮·德宾的长篇大论。然后，跟进，有像你这样的人，发表不必要的评论，指出评论是不必要的。

一个敏锐的智慧，你不是。

言语会产生后果，总统在公共论坛上使用粗俗语言显然具有破坏性，不值得任何文明人的尊重。

说什么？哪个公共论坛发布了所谓的“shithole”评论？据我所知，没有一个。是的，德宾确实在 teevee 新闻上喋喋不休。

仅供记录，去过海地吗？我有。多米尼加共和国位于该岛的东侧，顺便说一下，多米尼加共和国是一个不错的小混蛋。总的来说，都是好人，但都是混蛋。海地是一个非常不美好的烂地方，而且比多米尼加共和国还要烂得多。

明白了吗？你说得像个无知的傻瓜，而海地就是个屎坑。真理就是真理。

嗨Talha，

“…despite brutal and abject poverty in certain areas, people were very kind and generous and went out of their way to make him (a White guy) feel welcome…”

My experience as well. Especially Bahrain, Jordan and Syria in the early 70s.

Stepping back, hospitality in initial contact is customary in many (most?) cultures and religions. Benefit of the doubt and reciprocity? Common in early French exploration of America. Champlain on Lake Huron in 1615 (five years before the Mayflower). Louis Jolliet and six men in two canoes on the Mississippi to the Arkansas River in 1673. Cordial receptions with most tribes, thought vastly outnumbered. Suppose much depends on attitude (the Spanish tended to arrive with hundreds of soldiers and a conversion-by-force attitude). Their descriptions of Native Nations are fascinating.

“…the siege of Ma’arra”

Indeed, one of many nadirs. If I recall correctly, Raymond de St-Gilles (comte de Toulouse) was primarily involved. Bohémond was busy consolidating his victory (3 Jun 1098) as prince d’Antioche. Raymond, at loose ends, was trying to find/take his own domain (eventually Tripoli). Baudouin de Boulogne (Geoffroi de Bouiillon’s younger brother, future Baudouin I de Jérusalem) already had Édessa. The race for conquest and spoils.

Just finished Lee’s ‘God’s Wolf’, a new book on Renaud de Châtillon. Dispels some myths. He was very creative in raising funds (from wealthy Patriarch Aimery de Limoges and Byzantine Cyprus). Guess they didn’t have Payday Lending back then. Saladin’s hatred of him has long been established. Likely for more than Renaud’s brutality (commonplace). Saladin’s defeat at Montgisard (1177) and Renaud’s Read Sea raids (threatening Hajis and Holy Places) seem more logical. Renaud, though 67, was too dangerous to leave alive.

“Always interesting engaging with you – I learn new things.”

Feel the same with your posts.

最好。

嘿Incitatus，

Stepping back, hospitality in initial contact is customary in many (most?) cultures and religions.

I agree here, though there are (of course) exceptions to the rule, like the aboriginal Sentinelese in India. Though maybe that stems from a prior experience where they allowed a stranger to come in and some foreign disease wiped out half their population or something.

Common in early French exploration of America…Cordial receptions with most tribes, thought vastly outnumbered. Suppose much depends on attitude (the Spanish tended to arrive with hundreds of soldiers and a conversion-by-force attitude).

Yes, I remember reading that the French traders and many initial European settlers like them seemed to have amicable relations (generally) and a mutually beneficial relationship.

The Spanish, as you pointed out came with soldiers, and you know how they are – when you have a hammer in your hand, everything looks like a nail. It is in the nature of how you would expect them to approach things.

Renaud’s Read Sea raids (threatening Hajis and Holy Places) seem more logical

This one was one of the straws that broke the camel’s back along with treacherous breaking of a truce and subsequent plundering of a caravan. If I recall, it was on both of these occasions that Saladin (ra) promised to kill the man by his own hands (which he fulfilled). Battles were one thing, but raiding unarmed caravans of religious pilgrims was just vile. He also gave no quarter to the men involved in those raids, they were executed when caught.

和平：

Stepping back, hospitality in initial contact is customary in many (most?) cultures and religions. Benefit of the doubt and reciprocity?

Came across this today – a Japanese movie was made about how they rescued the crew of a sunken Ottoman navy ship and how the Turks returned the favor almost 100 years later:

Really cool when you come across things like this; sometimes we focus way too much on the negative.

和平：

塔哈

Thanks. Nice way to start the day. You’re right – we focus too much on differences, not enough on what we share. Life in a reality TV world? Best we pull the plug from time to time.

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Norway also has its problems. Perhaps their #1 rating reflects their conformity with the globalists?

Norway’s Link to Clinton Foundation & Obama — Corruption to Create World War III
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2016/10/05/norways-link-to-clinton-foundation-obama-corruption-to-create-world-war-iii/

Corruption cloud settles over Norway
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2014/03/25/corruption-cloud-settles-over-norway/

Corruption Behind the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
http://www.voltairenet.org/article162559.html

Liberia had white administrators for a century and was orderly, prosperous n peaceful. In the 1970s rule was passed with great ceremony to black administrators. Just a few years later civil war broke out followed by coups, massacres, n finally Charles Taylor who spread the destruction to Sierra Leone n Guinea. The fighting did not stop until the UN finally intervened. One of the worst warlords is still in the government just waiting for “self rule” to return so he can resume his former activities.

对于海地和利比里亚等一些国家来说，最好的办法是回到白人统治和殖民主义。只是他们的骄傲阻止他们承认这一点。

‘…You just can’t find any news of any major positive changes in Haiti since 1994…’

I can’t think of any positive change in Haiti before 1994, either. It seems improbable that the country has invariably and continuously gone downhill since the dawn of time, but maybe it has.