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奴隶制对于那些比较擅长的家伙有一些好处。 殖民制度是奴隶制的第二要务,它也吸引了那些知道如何将自己置于萨伊比族人以下和普通人之上的人们的吸引力。 香港起义是想成为黑人的黑人的叛变,他们觉得他们与当地人之间的鸿沟正在迅速消失。 曾经有一位香港居民站在悲惨的内地苦难之上。 他会说英语,他有智能的设备,他在触手中占有一席之地,从大陆吸收了财富,而其中的一些财富却粘在了满头大汗的手上。 但是现在,与上海人或北京人相比,他没有任何优势。 红色中国的大城市里财富急剧膨胀。 中国人穿得好,出国旅行,与西方打交道不需要香港调解。 北京向香港提供了相当数量的[相对]平等。 他们将一无所获,但缩小的差距不仅是不可避免的,而且也是可取的。

但是,香港一直是中国的帝国桥头堡。 它的人民是西方在针对中国的每桩犯罪中的同谋,而不是愿意的伙伴,首先是倾倒鸦片并吸走了中国的财富。 数以百万计的鸦片上瘾者,被毁的家庭和家庭几乎摧毁了这个中东王国,他们每个人都促进了香港的繁荣。 整个中国的血液,汗水和劳动为该岛提供了丰富的食物。 香港是第一个条约港口,也是最后一个返回本国的港口。 它的民众没有被彻底排毒。 他们并没有为新生活做好思想上的准备。

毛主席对买办城市,由于与帝国主义敌人的合作而繁荣的城市和人民怀有强烈的怀疑。 他用共产主义和爱国主义的教育清洗了他们。 顽强的买办被派去帮助遥远村庄的农民,以便与人民重新建立联系。 毛泽东的继任者坚信中国民族主义是一种普遍的补救办法。 他们以为香港,澳门和台湾的中国人会在殖民锁失败后加入他们的行列。 这是过于乐观的评估。 帝国主义的军队没有放弃他们以前的房屋奴隶,而当他们需要动员他们对抗独立的中国时,他们知道了要寻找的地方。

他们的时代到来时,中美之间的贸易冲突升温。 西方又名深部国家的秘密政府得出的结论是,中国的靴子太大了。 对为沃尔玛客户制造便宜的小工具不满意。 它正在生产与美国商品竞争的最先进的设备,更糟糕的是,它们的设备不可用于NSA监视。 中国公司华为受到攻击; 在火车上遵循制裁和海关职责。 当人民币在压力下放松时,中国人被指控操纵其货币。 这是一个有力的指控:当日本在1990年代遭到西方的攻击并且日元如预期的那样放宽时,这一主张迫使东京维持日元的高位并使日本陷入长达XNUMX年的低迷期。 但是中国并没有退缩。

然后,至高无上的力量释放了其行之有效的武器:他们转向在中国煽动动荡,并在媒体上给了它很大的空间。 起初,他们扮演维吾尔伊斯兰主义者的命运,但收效甚微。 维吾尔族并不多,在传统地区甚至不占多数。 他们在中国的影响力是有限的。 尽管西方自由媒体的头条新闻宣称,成千上万的维吾尔族人被关押在集中营中,但影响是零。 没有哪个重要的穆斯林国家承担起这个事业。

天安门周年纪念日来临(六月初),顺利进行。 有充分的理由:中国人一直都知道所谓的“猛砍”是一个神话,我们现在一定要感谢出版了相关的 美国大使馆电缆 由Wikileaks提供。 没有成千上万的学生被坦克压扁。 很少有人因参战而丧生,但中国回避了苏联的辛酸命运。 在中国,这一事件几乎被人们遗忘了。 一些参与者向西方听众讲述了他们的经历,但是理想的动荡并没有实现。

然后是时候到香港了。 它是中国的自治区。 它没有被重新教育; 有足够多的人记得殖民奴隶制的美好时光。 叛乱的实际火花,即计划中的引渡条约,极其微弱。 在过去的十年中,香港成为内地罪犯的避难所,因为香港与美国和英国有引渡条约,但与大陆没有引渡条约。 必须对此进行补救。

[引渡条约在斯诺登案中发挥了重要作用。 一位前中情局间谍爱德华·斯诺登决定向全世界揭示我们所有人都是美国国家安全局监视对象的程度。 他选择了 监护人 报纸上的他的启示,可能是因为维基解密的先例。 当他接受采访时 监护人 在香港,他的身份已被揭露。 美国引渡请求即将到来。 中国当局告诉斯诺登,他们将不得不将他送入美国监狱,以进行酷刑和死亡。 引渡条约使他们无可奈何。 只有朱利安·阿桑奇(Julian Assange)勇敢的助手莎拉·哈里森(Sarah Harrison)的快速步法阻止了这一严峻的结局,并将斯诺登送往安全的莫斯科。

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尽管香港当局有义务引渡斯诺登,但他们没有也不能引渡来自大陆的众多罪犯。 面对日益紧张的局势,这是一个明显的错误,必须立即纠正。 然后,西方沉睡的特工醒来并激活了他们的网络。 他们拥有的资金几乎是无限的,不仅来自西方国家,还来自并非特别贫民窟并且害怕引渡的罪犯。 示威活动开始后,西方媒体对他们进行了最大程度的报道,放大并鼓励了叛乱分子。

重要报纸上的数百篇文章,主要故事和社论为香港造反派欢呼和鼓舞。 人民战争即将来临,对 “纽约时报” 今天。 一个令人惊讶的事实(也就是说,如果您是刚从火星来的人):同一份报纸及其众多姐妹根本没有关注真正的人民战争在法国肆虐,在那儿,吉列斯·贾内斯(Gilets Jaunes)继续为反对紧缩而战斗了11周,实行马克龙政权。 在法国,有2,500人丧生,XNUMX人受伤,但是西方媒体对GJ反犹太主义只是含糊不清。 确实没有什么新鲜的。 相同的媒体没有注意到 一百万人示范 反对美国发动的伊拉克战争,对占领华尔街一无所知,无视反对美国战争和干预的抗议活动。 如果十万在纽约行军的人的目的与真实政府的愿望不一致,那么他们将得不到任何保障。 或者,将向莫斯科的12名人口中的XNUMX名抗议者展示,作为向暴君弗拉德发起挑战的人民的声音。

媒体以其独特的方式实现了使我们保持知情的目的。 如果主流媒体报道某事,那通常是谎言。 但是如果媒体保持沉默,您可以打赌这很重要,并且不鼓励您学习它。 在民众抗议的情况下尤其如此。 你怎么知道他们在说谎? –他们的嘴唇在动。

最大的谎言是将香港叛乱分子称为“民主联盟”。 这些人希望恢复殖民统治,由他们严格但公正的,斗鸡眼的霸主统治。 这可能是一个坏主意,但不是民主。 第二大谎言是“再次使香港成为英国”的口号。

香港从来不是英国的一部分。 这是从来没有提供过的,所以它不能再变成那样了。 即使是最冒险和最容易发生差异的英国政治家,也不会在遥远的领土上使XNUMX万中国人拥有充分的权利,而英国公民却是不完全但真正的英国民主国家的成员。 香港是一个殖民地; 这就是游行者渴望实现的再次成为香港殖民地的目的。

考虑到所有这些差异,莫斯科的演示者也是如此。 莫斯科抗议者梦见俄罗斯被北约军队占领,而不是民主。 他们相信,亲西方的,受过教育的,富有创业精神的人,将以买办费的形式来形成买办阶层并繁荣起来。 仁慈的是,他们并不富裕:1991年至2000年间,俄罗斯人已经试图在良性的西方占领下生活,当时国际货币基金组织(IMF)指示其财务状况,而哈佛大学的美国顾问则负责管理国家机构。 聪明无情的犹太人喜欢 比尔·布劳德,鲍里斯·别列佐夫斯基(Boris Berezovsky),罗曼​​·阿布拉莫维奇(Roman Abramovich)发了大财,但俄罗斯沦陷了,人民沦为贫困。

没有多少俄罗斯人想回到咆哮的九十年代,但有些人愿意。 对于大多数人来说,阻止这个有抱负的少数人实现自己的愿望是一个问题。 那些无法接受的人会像年轻的先生一样逃到以色列 Yablonsky 在被警察拘留了两个晚上后,他发现了自己的犹太血统。 他因与镇上的一座教堂的激烈战斗而入狱。

中国人也将理清他们对香港的苦难。 如果政府不承诺将其反制限于无痛,无血腥的措施,那么就可以做到。 只有对痛苦和血腥镇压的真实和迫在眉睫的威胁才能使这种措施变得不必要。 同样地,只有无交易退欧的迫在眉睫的威胁才能使欧盟领导人固执的头脑中产生某种意义。 一个尚未准备使用武力的国家必将失败,就像亚努科维奇在2014年领导的乌克兰国家一样。如果统治者过于拥挤以至于无法制止叛乱,该国将流血并破坏国家。

我们可以代表买办者来区分一个真实的人的兴起和外国启发的干预。 第一个将被静音,第二个将被《纽约时报》美化。 就这么简单。

我不会为中国过多担心。 中国领导人知道如何应对天安门,他们知道如何应对少数民族动乱,没有不必要的残忍,没有犹豫和pre断。 当美国试图 派遣其军舰到香港,但断然拒绝了他们的这种快感。 他们会克服。

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  1. 由于“唠叨”而点击文章。

    奴隶制对这些人来说有一些好处

    同意。

    一名香港居民远远高于那些悲惨的大陆苦力

    同意。

    由于与帝国主义合作而繁荣的城市和人民

    同意。

    这些人希望恢复殖民统治

    同意。

    这就是游行者的愿望,让香港再次成为殖民地

    同意。

    统治吧,不列颠尼亚!由俄罗斯留声机公司管乐团演奏……1914年的唱片。

    • 回复: @Corvinus
    , @Moi
  2. 中国应该打开通往香港的大门。 派出10万爱国大陆中国人在香港街头游行,标语如下 “打倒全球同族帝国主义的买办走狗”。

    • 回复: @Fergus
  3. [引渡条约在斯诺登案中发挥了重要作用。 一位前中央情报局间谍爱德华·斯诺登决定向世界揭示我们所有人都是国家安全局监视的对象。 他之所以选择《卫报》是因为他的爆料,可能是因为维基解密的先例。 当他在香港接受《卫报》延长采访时,他的身份已经暴露。 美国引渡请求的到来迫在眉睫。 中国当局告诉斯诺登,他们必须把他送到美国监狱,折磨致死; 引渡条约让他们在他的案件中别无选择。 只有朱利安·阿桑奇勇敢的助手莎拉·哈里森的快速步法阻止了这场残酷的结局,并将斯诺登送到了安全的莫斯科。]

    很棒的文章,除了前面的块引用。

    斯诺登:“使用 tor”

    https://theintercept.com/2015/11/12/edward-snowden-explains-how-to-reclaim-your-privacy/

    当然,Intercept 使用 tor,wikileaks 使用 tor,而 tor 是由美国国防部开发的(哎呀!)用于幽灵:

    https://pando.com/2014/07/16/tor-spooks/

    认为 Tor 有效吗? 好吧,如果你是 FBI 的话(至少从 2012 年开始)

    https://www.wired.com/2014/12/fbi-metasploit-tor/

    不,我对以色列对将人们引向安全国家怀抱的大人物(阿桑奇、斯诺登、格林沃尔德)的迷恋(现实赢家?)

    伟大的文章标题虽然......

    • 回复: @Brabantian
    , @Republic
    , @Anon
  4. 中国应该在香港问题上制造“克什米尔”。完全向所有中国人开放。让中国人去那里游行反对香港势利者和想成为白人的人。

    也就是说,让我们对盎格鲁人放松一些。英国帝国做了很多坏事,但也做了很多好事。虽然香港被设立为殖民前哨并参与可怕的鸦片贸易,但它也是向全中国引入新思想的创新和变革中心。此外,80年代以来中国历史的轨迹表明,香港和新加坡有很多值得学习的地方。毛主义是一场灾难,它还催生了比法帝国主义更糟糕的红色高棉(其实还不错)。而且,当时的情况很明显,西方确实比共产主义中国自由和理智得多。香港和新加坡为大中国树立了效仿的模板。

    但那是过去,这是现在。西方自由了?英国因发推文而监禁人。西方人理智吗?法国和英国欢迎非洲侵略者,同时禁止像贾里德·泰勒这样代表西方生存的人。此外,在犹太势力的统治下,西方已经进入针对俄罗斯、伊朗和中东的新帝国主义模式。美国媒体并不自由。它由犹太复国主义寡头控制,他们强加某种叙述,甚至是像俄罗斯勾结这样完全虚假的叙述,同时与其他垄断资本家合作关闭其他新闻网站。
    当全球同性恋狂热成为当前西方最高的“精神”表达时,它现在变成了疯狂的土地。

    这就是为什么中国现在必须镇压香港。不要送坦克。只要打开大门,让一千万内地人上街游行,指责香港势利者是买办混蛋。这样就可以了。把香港变成无牛之家。

    在全球同性恋政权下,台湾发生了什么?它有“同性婚姻”。中国人需要去那里,用最大的力量消灭腐朽的败类。

    西方一些人抱怨中国的社会信用体系,我同意这很糟糕,但我们这里也遇到了同样的事情。问问劳拉·卢默和贾里德·泰勒。 1/4的公司不会因为支持特朗普而雇用员工。此外,与犹太精英所说的持不同政见的美国人相比,中国对社会信用不良的人的称呼比较温和:“可悲的人”、“白人至上主义败类”、“白人垃圾”、“新纳粹”等。这一切都非常讽刺,因为全球主义犹太人是新纳粹分子,他们为以色列散布战争,摧毁了数百万人的生命。

  5. peterAUS 说:

    更多作者登上“北京好” 演出.
    说得通。

  6. Ronnie 说:

    最近在天安门事件前后,我在电视上看到了班农。 他说天安门事件有75,000万人丧生。 这告诉你他缺乏老练或可信度。 1989 年我是北京协和医学院的客座教授,我一直认为死伤人数被大大夸大了。 多年来,我向北京的许多教授和学生征求意见。 其中许多人当时在当地医院工作。 平均而言,对我的反应是 300-500 人死伤。 我从来没有任何理由质疑这个估计。 维基解密备忘录证实了这一点。

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
    , @Exile
    , @anonymous
    , @denk
  7. Ron Unz 说:
    @Ronnie

    最近在天安门事件前后,我在电视上看到了班农。 他说天安门事件有75,000万人丧生。 这告诉你他缺乏老练或可信度。

    事实上,我们MSM的不诚实或无能是 *非常* 比你想象的还要伟大。

    二十多年前,《华盛顿邮报》北京分社社长在《哥伦比亚新​​闻评论》上发表长文,公开承认所谓的“天安门广场大屠杀”只是媒体骗局/错误,中华人民共和国政府的说法很可能是错误的。正确的:

    https://archives.cjr.org/behind_the_news/the_myth_of_tiananmen.php

    在这种情况下,很难相信大多数对这个主题感兴趣的 MSM 记者并没有很好地了解真相,而且我注意到他们通常非常谨慎地选择措辞以避免彻头彻尾的谎言,但仍然暗示着一些完全不真实的东西。不正确。我认为班农等无知的煽动者会极大地夸大这些隐含的谎言。

    令人惊讶的是,在 CJR 录取之后的二十多年里,我们的 MSM 仍然继续宣扬这个“弥天大谎”。

    众所周知,在北京其他地方的城市暴力骚乱中,包括一些中国军人在内的大量人员伤亡。 我认为当时中国政府声称的官方死亡人数大约是 300 人,这对我来说似乎很合理。

    • 同意: Pater
  8. 很少有美国人知道美帝国主义在中国的历史,包括长江巡逻、鸦片贸易和通商口岸。

    • 同意: GMC
    • 回复: @Declane
    , @Skeptikal
  9. Brabantian 说:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    你对阿桑奇和斯诺登的真相非常了解……以色列·沙米尔谈到在厄瓜多尔大使馆会见阿桑奇……我想知道沙米尔本人,尽管他很聪明,怎么可能不知道军情五处和军情六处显然正在将阿桑奇移进移出那里有他的照片和约会,他的“生活”有一个笑话

    “爱德华·斯诺登”当然首先“泄露”给了中央情报局的《华盛顿邮报》,实际上是泄露给了布什副总统迪克·切尼的传记作者巴特·盖尔曼,然后深州意识到这太愚蠢了,所以他们转向了罗斯柴尔德雇员和前同性恋色情作品——卖家格伦·格林沃尔德(Glenn Greenwald),《卫报》“hairystuds”的前老板,这是一家情报机构的抹布,几乎所有内容都撒了谎

    普京大声暗示他知道斯诺登是假的,西方很少有人知道
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/09/21/russia-govt-report-snowden-greenwald-are-cia-frauds/

    为什么“朱利安·阿桑奇始终是中央情报局摩萨德骗局”的网络摘要:

    [更多]

    – 阿桑奇狂热地支持以色列、反巴勒斯坦、反 9-11 真相

    –内塔尼亚胡吹捧阿桑奇是亲以色列的摩萨德资产

    – 兹比格涅夫·布热津斯基 (Zbigniew Brzezinski) 于 29 年 2010 月 XNUMX 日,美国公共电视台 PBS News Hour,承认阿桑奇是情报人员

    – 阿桑奇没有取消平台,银行为朱利安等传输谢克尔

    – 阿桑奇和斯诺登通过中央情报局出名 – 军情六处媒体、纽约时报、英国卫报,他们对真正的持不同政见者从来不感兴趣

    – 阿桑奇与罗斯柴尔德共享律师,罗斯柴尔德的嫂子发布了阿桑奇保释金,阿桑奇也与索罗斯有联系

    – 信任阿桑奇的人已经死了,Peter W Smith,Seth Rich;其他人被监禁

    – 不知道阿桑奇和斯诺登帮助压制和杀害了多少持不同政见者,他们两人都是信任举报人的“老鼠陷阱”
    https://www.henrymakow.com/2018/11/assange-snowden-rat-traps.html

    –阿桑奇帮助罗斯柴尔德家族摧毁了竞争对手银行朱利叶斯·贝尔(Julius Baer)

    – 阿桑奇和斯诺登不会提及美国弗吉尼亚联邦法官的贿赂文件,这些文件阻止了其他引渡,但这些文件将使他们的引渡变得不可能

    –怪诞的阿桑奇童年时代,澳大利亚的心理控制崇拜者“家庭”

    – “住在厄瓜多尔大使馆” – “现在在贝尔马什监狱” – 很容易伪造,阿桑奇进出军情五处、军情六处、警察根据国家安全命令拍摄照片

    – 阿桑奇和斯诺登使真正的持不同政见者失去合法性,因为人们说,“维基解密 – 纽约时报 – 英国卫报会报道它,如果这是真的”

  10. getaclue 说:

    所以,如果我没看错这篇文章——共产主义中国太棒了——那六千五百万毛泽东和他的“领导人”,呃,基本上是呃,被谋杀了呢?让我们听听他们对伟大的中国“领导人”有何评价?哦,是的,我们不能杀了他们……这是沙米尔先生的引言吗?:“我不会为中国担心太多。中国领导人知道如何处理天安门事件,知道如何处理少数民族骚乱,没有不必要的残忍,也没有犹豫和搪塞。”是的,他们确实知道历史上“如何处理少数民族骚乱”——65,000,000、65,000具尸体是真正的“交易”——没有“不必要的残忍”? (我最近还读到了对法轮功学员的性酷刑——残酷的轮奸和使用刑具——这是最近发生的,很好,现在发生了我读到——这也是处理“少数民族骚乱”的方法吗——我们欢呼吗?中国也这么做吗?这里也没有“不必要的残酷行为”?我的意思是你可以指出,是的,他在工作中肯定存在一些针对香港的殖民主义强烈反对,而不是赞扬中国在“处理与香港问题”方面有多么伟大。少数派”我想,无论如何,这对我来说会更好一些…… https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/the-legacy-mao-zedong-mass-murder
    https://www.theepochtimes.com/sexual-torture-of-detained-falun-dafa-adherents-rampant-rights-lawyer_2807772.html

    • 巨魔: Parfois1
    • 回复: @Exile
    , @Jason Liu
    , @Anonymous
    , @TT
  11. 西方一些人抱怨中国的社会信用体系,我同意这很糟糕,但我们这里也遇到了同样的事情。

    只不过社会信用体系的运作方向与西方相反。中国人可能会因进行变性手术、从事同性恋行为、宣扬反民族主义情绪和宣传、声援和帮助分裂的宗教和少数民族而被扣分,而在西方,你也会因为同样的事情而获得积分。

    • 哈哈: Digital Samizdat
    • 回复: @Digital Samizdat
  12. Exile 说:
    @Ronnie

    Bannon 是最新一代渗透和看门机器人 Populator 2.0。

    在其全盛时期,这个模型可能会欺骗大多数精明的另类右翼沃伊特·坎普弗。现在它正在接近比尔·米切尔的可检测性阈值。

    Yarzony 的后继原型 NatConner 2.1 在平板上崩溃了。

    就像电影系列一样,他们将在 3.0 版本中使用 thot-bot。

    • 哈哈: Ron Unz
  13. Exile 说:
    @getaclue

    我最近还读到了对法轮功学员的性酷刑——残酷的轮奸和刑具

    (((遗产.org)))永远不会引导你错误,OFC。

    这与匈奴人用刺刀吐吐比利时婴儿和臭名昭著的“死亡集中营自慰机”一样。

    帝国永远不满足于仅仅为了公民的利益而与敌人作战——它甚至不再知道更不用说关心这些是什么了。为了宇宙的命运,每场战斗都必须是光明之子与黑暗之子的战斗。

    • 回复: @getaclue
  14. Daemon 说:
    @peterAUS

    中国不一定好。它不必像你这边那样邪恶。
    这是所有有给它。

    • 回复: @anonymous
    , @Ash Williams
  15. ​美国不再关心人权。这是关于退化的需求。

  16. Paw 说:

    从 Austr 购买的一个电网。 政府。 /实际上卖得很便宜/,花费 3 万,730 年后价值 2018 亿美元。XNUMX 年。当然,电价飞涨,
    直到星星..
    俄罗斯没有寡头赚到钱。 他们把一切都放在了金盘子里……
    选定的犹太人群体/大约 30 人/参加了拍卖/没有其他人入场/,所有最富有的工业对象、矿山、油田等都给了他们,银行借给了这些非常便宜的购买品。 ......一夜之间,他们都拥有价值数十亿美元的资产。
    然后他们应该逐渐将其全部出售给美国、全球或跨国垄断集团。
    爱泼斯坦,从儿童教师到百万美元,然后是数亿美元,一夜暴富/Stearn Bear/ ?..

    • 同意: Alfred
    • 回复: @Rev. Spooner
  17. Dutch Boy 说:

    对实际香港人的采访表明,他们反对引渡的主要理由是,香港居民将受到人民法院的管辖,而不是受外国恶魔所有法律陷阱(无罪推定、证据规则)的英国式香港法院的管辖。 ,没有道听途说,没有秘密审判,没有匿名指控者——所有这些foldolol)。

    • 回复: @The Alarmist
    , @Rollmop
    , @Cratylus
  18. Talha 说:

    让香港再次成为英国。

    太棒了!现在这是一些很好的恶搞。如果他们融入了中国版的佩佩,他们将达到史诗般的水平。
    和平:

  19. getaclue 说:
    @Exile

    好吧,这里没什么可看的,让我们继续吧,因为像你这样勇敢的说真话的人告诉我们:“那个人就在那里,匈奴人把婴儿吐在刺刀上……”——你是北京人吗,还是只是某种普遍令人讨厌的东西笨蛋?这与您对情况的“评估”有何关系?:
    一份令人震惊的新报告称,中国政府继续大规模屠杀无辜者,以获取用于移植的器官。
    这份由加拿大前政客大卫·乔高、人权律师大卫·麦塔斯和记者伊森·古特曼撰写的报告显示,中国进行的器官移植数量是政府官方数据披露的十倍。
    “(共产党)说每年合法移植的总数大约是一万例。但只要看看两三家最大的医院,我们就可以轻松超过中国的官方数字,”麦塔斯在一份声明中说。
    报告估计,中国医院每年有 60,000 至 100,000 个器官被移植。”——在你们居住的世界里,这两位著名的人权活动家一定也在为“Heritage.Org”工作吗?华盛顿邮报对情况的分析怎么样?——华盛顿邮报在 2001 年发表了一篇关于法轮功囚犯转化过程的报道:
    在北京西部的一个派出所,欧阳被脱光衣服并审问了五个小时。 “如果我回答错误,也就是说,如果我没有说‘是’,他们就会用电警棍电击我,”他说。
    随后,他被转移到北京西郊的劳教所。在那里,警卫命令他面向墙站立。如果他动了,他们就会震惊他。如果他因疲劳而倒下,他们就会震惊他。

    每天早上,他有五分钟的时间吃饭和大小便。 “如果我没能成功,我就会穿上裤子,”他说。 “他们也为此感到震惊。”

    欧阳说,到了第六天,他盯着距离脸三英寸的石膏就看不清东西了。他的膝盖弯曲,引发了更多的电击和殴打。他屈服于警卫的要求。

    接下来的三天里,欧阳对着墙大喊大叫,谴责法轮功的教义。警察继续就尸体对他进行电击,他经常弄脏自己。终于,到了第十天,欧阳对这群人的拒绝被认为是足够有诚意的。

    他被带到一群法轮功囚犯面前,随着摄像机的转动,他再次拒绝了这群人。欧阳出狱,进入洗脑班。每天与法轮功辩论16个小时后,二十天后,他“毕业了”。

    “我承受的压力过去和现在都令人难以置信,”他说。 “在过去的两年里,我亲眼目睹了人类所能做出的最糟糕的事情。我们确实是地球上最糟糕的动物。”[98]”——国际特赦组织也参与了“Heritage.org”计划,欺骗你们的世界观中中国对持不同政见者所使用的酷刑——因为他们有一些完全相反的调查结果也到你的“事实陈述”——但你可以去看看你自己和成千上万的其他人一起进行的运动,这表明你要么一无所知,要么更糟……当谈到撒谎的宣传者时,不要看得太远,不要’不要寻找“Heritage.org”——北京确实有一面镜子,不是吗?看看那里。

    • 回复: @Parfois1
  20. Corvinus 说:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    “奴隶制对这些人来说有一些好处……”

    不,他们失去了自由。

    “一个香港居民比那些可怜的内地苦力高出一截”

    根据谁/谁?

    “由于与帝国主义合作而繁荣的城市和人民”

    繁荣的是帝国主义。

    “这些人希望恢复殖民统治”

    不,他们想恢复地方自治。

    “这就是游行者的愿望,让香港再次成为殖民地”

    不,他们想摆脱中国的束缚。

  21. Corvinus 说:
    @Ron Unz

    该事件并非骗局。活动不仅发生在广场上,还发生在随后的周边地区。消息人士称,“中国政府估计死亡人数超过 300 人。西方的估计要高一些。许多受害者在广场以西约一英里的长安街(长安街)上被士兵枪杀,在城市其他地方也发生了零星的冲突,应该补充的是,一些士兵被殴打或被殴打。被愤怒的工人烧死了。”

    记者承认,大部分死亡事件发生在北京西部的广场外。出席抗议活动的中国学者吴仁华写道,政府对这一问题的讨论是转移注意力,目的是推卸责任、展示仁慈。 “确实,装备齐全的军队屠杀广场内还是广场外的和平普通民众都没有什么区别。根本不值得进行这样的讨论。”

    • 回复: @Thirdeye
  22. Jason Liu 说:
    @getaclue

    中国不是名义上的共产主义国家。 大纪元是法轮功捏造事实的喉舌。 我不支持毛泽东,但他今天无关紧要。

    • 回复: @getaclue
  23. Jason Liu 说:

    你列出的原因可能会激励一些抗议者,但它不能对这么多人负责。 这里有一个本土问题,中国忽视它是愚蠢的。

    在我看来,抗议者的动机及其影响:

    1. 声望损失 – 无关紧要,他们会习惯的

    2.殖民怀旧 – 死路一条,容易被嘲笑

    3. 住房/经济问题 – 可以通过补贴和监管来管理,但香港将不得不放弃一些自主权

    4. 区域部落主义/仇外心理 – 易于管理,并非香港独有

    5.美国干预 – 危险但可以通过更好的公关和软实力来管理

    6. 真正相信自由民主 – 非常危险,会造成类似于西方国家的衰落

    • 回复: @Realist
  24. Half-Jap 说:
    @Brabantian

    它们是理想的捕鼠器。
    即使维基解密不是一个组织,毫无疑问他们也会受到严密监视和/或被渗透和破坏。
    斯诺登在我心目中一直受到怀疑,据称他只给一名属于一个粗略机构的记者留下了如此多的信息,而在他受到到处庆祝的同时,只有少量信息被泄露出来。我们中的许多人已经从像威廉宾尼这样的好人那里知道了这样的计划。
    正如你所说,确实存在真正的举报人,但他们却被忽视、入狱或死亡。

  25. Half-Jap 说:

    你知道,台湾(和日本)被认为是野蛮的土地,海盗居住的地方。直到最近,他们才算得上是“中国人”。我敢打赌,如果他们可以选择和我们在一起,或者和大陆在一起,投票结果会很接近(但对我们有利)。毕竟,我们更棒,尤其是无尽的。他们不是我们掠夺或剥削的殖民地(我们的投资是巨大的),而是正在成为我们的平等人。我不介意建立一个俄罗斯式的联邦,其中冲绳和台湾是自治共和国。

  26. 该死的以色列,这是一篇很棒的文章。你一针见血地解释了为什么香港的麻烦制造者是一群被帝国主义列强利用的有用的白痴。这些混蛋确实是黑鬼,是那种会站在遥远的外国势力一边而不是自己同胞的人。向您致敬,好先生,感谢您清晰的思路。

    • 回复: @Alfred
  27. Anon[105]• 免责声明 说:
    @peterAUS

    彼得,对维基解密的美国大使馆电报没有评论吗?

    现在似乎是个好时机,拿出你收藏的 BBC 视频,对你深恶痛绝的邪恶共产主义叙事提出质疑,不能让人们开始相信整个大屠杀都是编造的。

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  28. Anonymous[105]• 免责声明 说:
    @getaclue

    大纪元属于法轮功。您正在法轮功拥有的网站上阅读法轮功赞助的有关其邪教徒据称遭受酷刑的新闻,并相信这一切的表面意义。

    在研究了他们的活动和学说之后,我建议你对他们所说的一切——不仅是关于中国政府的,而是关于一切的——持保留态度。

    • 回复: @getaclue
  29. @Commentator Mike

    确切地。中国人利用深层政府来维持秩序和镇压犯罪;华盛顿用它来传播骚乱(Antifa)和保护犯罪(BLM)。有区别,你看!

  30. Realist 说:
    @Jason Liu

    真正相信自由民主——非常危险,会导致与西方类似的国家衰落

    那是肯定的。

  31. xvart 说:

    我认为英国殖民地和中国以前在亚洲的殖民地没有什么真正的区别,这就是“釜底抽薪”,只是国家行为者通常的虚伪。

    生活在这些权力结构边缘的香港本地人并不是表面上的奸商,他们存在于他们既无法控制也无法逃脱的框架中,因此指责他们处于非他们选择的地方是不诚实的。

    我读到的都是有人把父亲的罪孽归咎于孩子。

  32. @Ron Unz

    令人惊讶的是,在 CJR 录取之后的二十多年里,我们的 MSM 仍然继续宣扬这个“弥天大谎”。

    不,这并不令人惊讶。你今晚的作业是重读第五章 美国的铁幕 😉

    • 回复: @Richard B
  33. @Dutch Boy

    ……香港居民将接受人民法院的审判,而不是受外国恶魔所有法律陷阱的英国式香港法院的审判(无罪推定、证据规则、没有道听途说、没有秘密审判、没有匿名指控者——所有这些)那个文件夹)。

    哎呀,今天的英国居民希望得到这笔交易。

    • 回复: @Dutch Boy
    , @Parfois1
  34. getaclue 说:
    @Jason Liu

    垃圾——他们对法轮功、穆斯林和少数族裔以及几十年来对基督徒所做的事情是众所周知的,而且来源充分,他们实际上是从持不同政见者身上摘取器官……。不是共产党吗?共产主义迫害不守规矩的宗教团体和少数民族,这种情况在今天的中国仍在继续——唯一的区别是他们允许财务自由,但除此之外,这个体系仍然由共产党的铁腕统治由于技术进步,情况变得更糟,使控制变得更加严格和可怕:

    “中国政府正在建立一个庞大的排名系统,该系统将监控其庞大人口的行为,并根据他们的“社会信用”对他们进行排名。

    一份政府文件称,2014年首次宣布的“社会信用体系”旨在强化“守信光荣、失信可耻”的理念。

    该计划预计到 2020 年在全国范围内全面实施,目前已经在全国数百万人中进行试点。该计划将是强制性的。”那么这不是共产党的社会控制吗?这在你的世界观中是好的吗?不,谢谢。

    • 回复: @Escher
  35. getaclue 说:
    @Anonymous

    在你的世界里,全是《大纪元时报》在中国有关法轮功的情况上撒谎的故事——没有真相,因为它们是他们“拥有”的?好吧,让我们看看现实世界中,大纪元之外是如何描述这种情况的,因为你没有提供任何消息来源来支持你所说的观点?:

    “自1999年以来,法轮功练习者一直是中国政府侵略性且经常是暴力镇压的目标,这是对中国领导人认为其活动威胁到中国共产党控制的个人和组织更广泛收紧控制的一个方面。过去两年,全国范围内的公民自由状况恶化,不同群体——政治异见人士、外国学者、劳工组织者、在官方庇护之外崇拜的宗教信徒、西藏和新疆的活动人士、互联网用户、学者和编辑,他们的信息挑战了美国的权威。党的路线等面临新的限制和滥用。对法轮功的镇压既是更大趋势的征兆,也因其本身的意义而意义重大,因为当局大力铲除该组织并对其成员进行“再教育”……”联合国也和大纪元一起参与此事吗?法轮功也掌管联合国?: https://www.refworld.org/docid/45cb148e2.html

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  36. peterAUS 说:
    @Anon

    好吧,为什么不呢?
    同样的问题仍然存在:
    1. 那个 APC 中被燃烧弹的人是谁?
    2. 从国安人员手中拿走的武器怎么了?
    3. 前进纵队与抗议者的对抗中是谁打响了第一枪?当然,为什么呢?

  37. Anonymous[105]• 免责声明 说:
    @getaclue

    我很惊讶你竟然坚决否认这一点,他们并没有努力保守秘密。有太多的材料直接将它们联系在一起,即使是粗略的搜索也应该能找到一些东西。

    就连MSM也不否认他们的隶属关系,看看NBC最近发表的这篇文章:
    https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-qanon-impending-judgment-day-behind-facebook-fueled-rise-epoch-n1044121

    • 回复: @getaclue
  38. Parfois1 说:
    @getaclue

    为什么像这样令人难以忍受的垃圾在这里被给予空间,而土壤是所有博客中最宽容的?我觉得有些地方有些矛盾……

  39. Parfois1 说:
    @The Alarmist

    谢谢你的好笑!但我们面对的是世界上有史以来的最高法律体系;就像世界上最大的帝国一样……你知道,阿桑奇因一项不存在的指控而潜逃而被关进监狱。

    这相当于一个人因拒捕而被警察指控并被判有罪,而警察没有合理怀疑您犯罪,也称为非法监禁。

  40. Escher 说:
    @getaclue

    中国共产党人(只是名义上的,正如刘杰伦已经评论过的)不是圣人,但我认为他们不太可能摘取人体器官。证据在哪里,或者是在 1991 年伊拉克军队刺杀科威特婴儿的同一录像带上吗?

    • 回复: @getaclue
  41. 我不敢相信我刚刚读到这些抗议者应该像他们一样被镇压!现在是1984年吗? 1960 年代美国前奴隶的抗议活动是否应该被镇压?也许。

    要么迎来一个极权主义的警察国家,否则整篇文章都试图谴责这种国家。反华不是全球主义,而是反对共产主义寡头统治的奴隶经济。

  42. getaclue 说:
    @Escher

    “证据在哪里?”独立法庭根据证据确定是的——他们正在这样做。独立的加拿大人权研究人员也得出了我在此引用的相同结论。研究一下——这确实没有争议。考虑到中国共产党人和世界各地的共产党人的残暴行为,以及他们在上个世纪杀害的两亿人,他们的辩护者现在在美国和其他地方如此普遍——尤其是在 UNZ 博客上,那里的人们显然受过更多的教育。是的,在中国,你拥有比以前更多的“经济”权利,这在共产主义的肮脏集体主义靴子下是不存在的——除此之外,尽管你在共产党之外没有任何人权,也没有什么“亲爱的领袖”类型所规定的,随着他们正在实施的社会信用体系(谷歌帮助/ing?毫无疑问将其带到这里,因为他们目前的审查制度是一次演习......)他们所做的并且将会少得多。以下是关于独立法庭调查结果的一篇文章: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/17/china-is-harvesting-organs-from-detainees-uk-tribunal-concludes

    • 回复: @Biff
  43. getaclue 说:
    @Anonymous

    有趣的是,这不是我所说的——你说我对大纪元“坚决否认”——如果你读了我的评论,这完全是胡说八道。我说过,《大纪元时报》之外也有同样的信息——我向联合国展示了同样的信息!由于某种原因你错过了?接下来你会说我是法轮功小动物之一…… (实际上,我认为所有瑜伽都是恶魔般的,但人们应该自由地实践任何宗教等——成为撒旦主义的失败者或其他什么——他们希望不受国家——共产主义或其他——的引导……)。我也不太关心《大纪元时报》,但发现他们在反对 MSM 每天向我们倾注的左翼/共产主义宣传的压倒性攻击方面显得有些微不足道……(今天 NBC 称“异性恋不起作用”宣传一次)同性恋行为的荣耀再次成为反对西方文明/基督教/正常的文化马克思主义宣传的一部分……)

    因此,MSM 讨厌大纪元,因为他们声称自己“支持”特朗普,所以他们开始“调查”谁是“幕后黑手”——说任何对总统有利的话都是罪过,因为 MSM 24/7 讨厌他,并且撒谎。有时候,当不批评“异性恋”时,但这没关系,因为他们是MSM?同样的诽谤也被用来针对《华盛顿时报》,因为文在寅的钱在其中,但事实是,报道是可靠的,而不是这些天的种族主义纽约史莱姆斯……。与《大纪元时报》一样,因为它不像左派 MSM 那样完全是左派宣传 24/7,他们讨厌它并诽谤它是谁在“幕后”——我明白当你提出几乎所有犹太人都是“幕后”的问题时MSM 处于权力/影响力的位置(我什至读到一位“业内”高调的犹太人也承认这一点……)这不是要做/说的事情——这当然是反犹太主义的!——事实就是大纪元所报道的报道已经被证实,如果你看看的话,还存在比这更糟糕的情况。

    即使 ChiCom 现在拥有一些不错的“经济”花哨,也不要再净化共产主义了——它仍然是上个世纪杀死 200,000,000 亿人的意识形态。让我们看看独立法庭对 ChiCom 和法轮功的看法——摘取器官,这是 ChiCom 的另一项好处……:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/17/china-is-harvesting-organs-from-detainees-uk-tribunal-concludes

    • 回复: @Anon
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    • 回复: @Patricus
    , @Parfois1
  45. @Brabantian

    来自《今日退伍军人》的一大堆垃圾。

  46. TT 说:
    @getaclue

    1)法轮功是一个非法的邪教组织,甚至在《孢子》中也被列入黑名单。那些热衷于传播其故事的人充分讲述了他的动机、可信度和性格。

    2)毛杀了65M?当然,这要感谢美国在中国三年饥荒期间严格封锁谷物销售。

    想想英国统治下的孟加拉大饥荒。丘吉尔的回应是:这些害虫像兔子一样繁殖……他看到印度所有的谷物都在善意地帮助减少害虫。

    https://www.quora.com/How-did-Mao-manage-to-kill-78-million-people/answer/Janus-Dongye-Qimeng

    [更多]

    首先让我们思考一个有趣的问题:
    习近平任内到底有多少中国人被杀?

    答案是:59.6万

    你相信吗?是的,它是真实的!

    考虑到目前中国人口的死亡率为7.1‰,我们可以很容易地计算出这个数字:1.4亿*7.1‰*6年=59.6万,这甚至比意大利的总人口还要多。这一估计包括因疾病、自然灾害和事故而自然死亡的人数。

    你可能认为这是一个笑话。但实际上,这正是西方宣传用来夸大和操纵数据来妖魔化“坏独裁者”的方式。

    让我们回顾一下毛泽东时代(1949-1976)并做一些数学计算:

    27年间,中国人口从550亿增长到900亿。如果我们假设这10.0年的死亡率为27‰,那么毛泽东统治期间约有200亿人死亡。那么毛泽东杀了200亿人就可以肯定了,对吗?

    接下来让我们更详细地了解一下1959-1961年备受争议的饥荒时期。根据世界数据图谱()的数据,这一时期的死亡率确实是平时的三倍。

    当时中国人口约为660亿,死亡率为:1959年:14.6‰,1960年:25.4‰,1961年:14.2‰

    因此被杀人数为:660亿*(14.6‰+25.4‰+14.2‰)=35.7万

    30-45 万是众多来源和书籍中经常报道的数字。这些新闻中的数字是这样计算的:

    确实如此,历史学家和新闻至少没有撒谎。他们报道的是“真相”。

    我们还包括朝鲜战争、解放西藏、1962年印度战争中丧生的人数,以及修建铁路、隧道和桥梁时的无数牺牲。正如你所要求的,杀死 78 万人是很容易的。

    另一个有趣的问题:

    在民选尼赫鲁统治期间(1959-1961),有多少印度人同时死亡?

    根据1959-1961年间印度死亡人数为:450亿*22.5‰*3 = 30.3万

    那么按照西方的标准,有30万印度人被尼赫鲁杀害了,对吗?

    ——————————————————————————————

    因为您已经知道死亡卷是如何计算的。让我们进一步研究一下这个数字。

    如果我们假设没有毛泽东的糟糕政策,有多少中国人自然死亡?

    我们可以按照发达国家标准假设正常死亡率10‰来计算。

    660亿*10‰*3 = 19.8万

    因此,经过减法,饥荒期间非自然死亡的人数为 35.7 万人 – 19.8 万人 = 15.9 万人。这大致是中国政府报告的官方数据。

    是的,三年内仍有 15 万人可能死于饥饿。这相当于每年 1 人中就有 120 人死亡,就像另一个人死于流感一样,您可能没有注意到。

    但我们仍然不能否认,饥荒造成如此多的人死亡,这可能是毛泽东政策和自然灾害共同作用的结果。

    毛泽东是一位优秀的军事家和战略家,但不幸的是他不是一位优秀的统治者。这就是为什么邓小平评价毛泽东是“功70%,害30%”。对于大跃进、文化大革命这样的破坏,作为中国人,我们还是要牢记历史,总结教训,防止重蹈覆辙。

    但它也不应该成为西方剥削和夸大的来源。

    • 回复: @Alden
  47. Anon[367]• 免责声明 说:
    @getaclue

    啊……大纪元和法轮功,每个人都知道自己在做什么。

    Facebook在支持特朗普的巨额收购后禁止《大纪元时报》的广告
    https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/08/23/facebook-bans-ads-from-the-epoch-times-after-huge-pro-trump-buy.html

    NBC 新闻报道称,大纪元上个月改变了在 Facebook 上的支出,似乎是为了混淆其与价值约 2 万美元的广告的联系,这些广告宣传总统及其政敌的阴谋论。

    即使 ChiCom 现在拥有一些不错的“经济”花哨,也不要再净化共产主义了——它仍然是上个世纪杀死 200,000,000 亿人的意识形态。

    Chicomm 一个世纪杀死了 200 亿人?哇,中国人有多厉害,能在竹帘后面做出只有你知道的事。

    美国人付出了巨大的努力才自豪地实现了 100M 里程碑,他们在 93% 的时间里使用了自建国以来的每一种大规模杀伤性武器(在数百万印第安人的尸体上完成的)进行无休止的残暴战争。

    美国投下的炸弹比整个二战使用的炸弹还要多,在朝鲜、越南、柬埔寨、老挝投下的炸弹造成数百万人死亡。屠杀数百万人以殖民菲律宾。在中央情报局-苏哈霍印度尼西亚大屠杀中屠杀了数百万人,以清除共产主义者。花费 15 年时间屠杀 1 万伊拉克人……广岛核弹,向越南、柬埔寨、老挝倾倒数百万升橙剂……一战、二战……

    这些导致许多美元和美国盟军的巨大支持来屠杀这么多。然而中国却可以悄悄地从上世纪的200亿至400亿人口中减少600亿,并奇迹般地增长到今天的1400亿人口。你需要更好的说谎技巧才能成为大纪元的付费代言人。

    • 回复: @dimples
  48. Anon[367]• 免责声明 说:

    关于香港骚乱,有一些有趣的作家对美国政府、中央情报局、英国政府、军情六处、加拿大、德国与叛国香港人的勾结提出了一些见解。

    https://www.quora.com/profile/Robin-Daverman

    https://www.quora.com/profile/Jamie-Wang-45

    https://www.quora.com/profile/Roy-Tong-10

    我们的中国专家戈德弗里·罗伯茨。
    https://www.quora.com/profile/Godfree-Roberts

    ZUS 已开始清除并关闭 FB、推特、谷歌等亲中俄说真话的人。

    那些可以阅读香港人粤语写作的人,这里是这些香港暴徒招募、组织和讨论在哪里见面、如何袭击警察、活动和付款的网站。
    https://lihkg.com/category/1?order=now

    这就是白衬衫(西方当地居民称为暴徒)与黑衬衫(骚乱者西方称为和平抗议者)的真相。元兰区居民要求暴徒不要扰乱他们的住所。黑衫挑战白衫,喷火主机、辱骂粗俗,最终惨遭毒打。但韦斯特从未展示过整个视频。

    无论如何,我被永久禁止进入Quora、FB……即使我与中国没有关系,只是因为我在其他主题中揭露了一些ZUS-印度轴心邪恶和谎言。审查制度已经完全到位。

    • 回复: @Goldie
  49. 香港是一个殖民地;这就是游行者所渴望的,让香港再次成为殖民地。

    我没有密切关注这一点,但是——为什么?为什么这么多中国人想要这个?我了解一些大亨,但为什么华人会想要外国统治呢?

    也许他们——只是猜测——并不关心完全民主,而是害怕中国的完全监视的老大哥政策和僵尸奴隶制社会。没有一个头脑正常的人——还有中国人,无论人们如何看待他们的超级民族主义和机器人、群体思维、顺从文化——都愿意生活在混乱之中;但同时,没有人愿意生活在反乌托邦的噩梦中,而这是新中国的根本社会工程。

  50. peterAUS 说:

    最新的,显然是来自The Mouth(索伦……):

    ……在看到示威者用金属管追赶四名警察后,四名警察被拍到拔出了枪……

    ……不愿透露姓名的高级警官本周表示,尽管街道暂时平静,但警察仍成为攻击目标并在网上曝光。警方表示,警察的个人数据、联系信息、家庭住址等信息已在网上分享,并指责抗议者威胁警察的家人……。

    有人认为一旦他们“压制”当地警察部队 东西 还有其他人会加入战斗吗?
    可能不会。感觉不错。

    这次不再是共产主义时代的正规军义务兵。

    我想说祝那些抗议者好运,但真的不能。没有任何意义。

  51. Chinaman 说:

    一个不准备使用武力的国家必然会失败,就像 2014 年亚努科维奇领导下的乌克兰国家一样。如果统治者过于娇气而无法阻止叛乱,那么就会流血,国家就会被毁灭。

    谢谢你,我·沙米尔。

    你对黑鬼的比喻很恰当,准确地描绘了这些抗议者的奴隶心态。乞讨被奴役是无耻和疯狂的缩影。作为一名香港人,我很高兴地说,与我交往的人中没有人支持抗议者,这些英国黑鬼是香港社会的污秽。

    你指出,一个不准备使用武力的国家将会失败,这是完全正确的,我认为局势已经到了必须流血、必须做出一些榜样的关键时刻。中国有句俗话:“不见棺材不哭”。是时候带上它了。

    我从来不理解毛泽东以及为什么他必须杀死所有数百万人,我现在明白了……

    • 回复: @Parbes
    , @Mark Hunter
  52. Parbes 说:
    @Chinaman

    “作为一名香港人,我很高兴地说,与我交往的人中没有人支持抗议者,这些英国黑鬼是香港社会的污秽。”

    那么像你这样的香港人和“与你交往的人”在哪里发出你的声音,明显地表达自己的主张呢?你们为什么不在街上面对这些“英国黑鬼污秽”,大声示威支持合法的香港政府(这会让他们更有勇气采取更强有力的行动)?由于你和像你这样的人的(相对)胆怯和沉默,世界上大多数人都相信西方男同性恋者的说法,认为这些煽动性的堕落分子代表了全部或大部分香港人口。

    • 回复: @Chinaman
  53. Wally 说:
    @Corvinus

    说过:
    “不,他们想摆脱中国的束缚。”

    香港是从中国夺走的,中国有权收回。

    • 回复: @onebornfree
  54. Biff 说:
    @getaclue

    将你的宣传拖到一个每天都致力于包抄和揭穿这些东西的网站上并不是太聪明,但同时也是预料之中的。除非它在各处被无情地摧毁,否则它不会起作用——此外,你必须赚到他们付给你的钱。

    具体是多少?

    • 回复: @getaclue
  55. stevecel 说:

    看,你们必须明白,中国人想要任何形式的稳定规则,因为这适合他们的性策略。你们必须记住,中国数百年都是由满族统治的,即使满洲候选人敲响了警钟,你们中受教育程度较低的人也可能根本没有听说过满族。并不是说共产党好,也不是民主不好,中国人只是想像自古以来那样,继续繁衍、互相挤压。对于意识形态之类的琐碎争吵对他们来说并不值得。在第二次世界大战中,外部性因素阻碍了日本人获得作为中国新王朝统治者的应有地位,但如果你对日本人有所了解,无论如何,他们都无法理解。这就解释了所谓的大陆情绪——对于岛民来说,香港不像台湾那样是一个真正的岛屿,就像痘痘与脸上的距离一样。他们感到了压力,所以宁愿召集他们的旧统治者或任何可以让他们免于与 1.5 亿人口直接竞争的人。从像白人“种族”这样的全球少数群体的角度来看,这是令人钦佩的,但最终是徒劳的。

    对于 ZOG 或者无论你怎么称呼它们,香港是传播病毒的便利地点。发烧已经治愈了塔克拉玛干,但如果共产党的免疫系统受到损害,那又是一个等待爆发的地方。

    不管怎样,祝你们在接下来的战争中好运。运气好的话,如果有必要的话,死亡很快就会到来。

  56. Richard B 说:
    @The Alarmist

    “不,这并不令人惊讶。你今晚的作业是重读《美国上空的铁幕》第五章”

    TUR 图书馆必读之一。

  57. Richard B 说:
    @Brabantian

    发现!

    你知道敌对精英真正害怕谁吗?

    他们陷害、监禁或杀害的人。

    就像谢弗·考克斯和拉沃伊一样。

  58. sally 说:
    @Priss Factor

    我同意:开发并发布一个ICON标签..找到一些案例将ICON标签嵌入公众的头脑中..并提出一个案例或。注意:有些图标标签是“好人图标标签”,有些是“坏人图标标签”GGIL 或 BGIL。您可以使用一组不同的标签 Correct-GIL 或 lie-GIL 或 irrelevant-GIL。甚至阶段也可以是图标:我们人民,你对总统的投票,……然后以与著名足球运动员或歌手的名字相同的方式使用它们,或者 50 年前科或性变态者或其他什么的……或者作为指向的指针X-GIL 或作为 X-GIL 预期既定值的参考 众所周知,标签在改变或防止改变大多数人方面比 X 的真相更重要。

    IMO,Icon 是一种成熟的精神控制技术。该技术的使用大多是隐藏的。
    考虑一下包括 Icon Google 和 Icon NYT 在内的 MSM,他们已经多次展示了具有改变思想的 ICON 技术的工作知识专业知识。

    如果我们这些可悲的人要以有意义、有效和及时的方式回应错误、蓄意、误导性、欺骗性的宣传,我们必须首先了解 MSM 和其他人如何利用 Icon 技术来对付我们,以促进错误、蓄意、误导、欺骗或压制举报人。在解决问题之前,必须先了解问题。

  59. TKK 说:

    抗议活动也是由个人自治愿望驱动的。

    再看微观层面。我姐姐在成都教英语。 Google、Gmail、You Tube、What's App 和 Facebook 在中国均被屏蔽。

    您必须先下载 VPN,然后才能使用这些网站。

    中国网上的一切都是通过微信完成的。 *一切*。从视频通话到支付水电费再到银行业务。微信受到党的严密监控,这是一个公开的笑话。这是你的社会信用评分的核心——微信数据。

    不过,在香港,有服务器可以跳FB、谷歌产品等。

    与幅员辽阔的中国相比,香港有更自由的氛围。如果您从未去过,那么这一点怎么强调都不为过。对中国的任何事情做出笼统的陈述都会产生误导。

    因为中国是另一个星球。香港曾经是一个国际化的前哨基地,有自己的身份——它不想被那些吐口水、打嗝的乡巴佬完全吞没。

    • 同意: Bardon Kaldian
  60. 大多数评论都是愚蠢的(就像文章一样)。诚然,西方玩家肯定在很大程度上煽动了这种情况。确实,许多(大多数?)抗议者都是暴力且令人讨厌的;诚然,中国的国家认同规划者希望逐步将所有大陆(不仅是他们)汉人统一在一个统治之下,担心未来会出现分裂。

    但是,考虑到中国大陆过去和现在是什么样的社会,维特福格尔关于东方专制主义的言论就变得中肯了……。

    古希腊的好公民从他们的两个同胞斯佩蒂亚斯和布利斯抵制绝对权力诱惑的决心中汲取了力量。在前往苏扎的途中,斯巴达使节遇到了一位波斯高级官员海达尔内斯,海达尔内斯表示愿意让他们在自己的祖国变得强大,只要他们愿意臣服于他的专制主人——伟大的国王。为了希腊的利益——也为了所有自由人的利益——希罗多德保留了他们的答案。 “海达尼斯,”他们说,“你是一位片面的顾问。你已经经历了一半的事情;但另一半超出了你的知识范围。你了解奴隶的生活;但是,如果你从未尝过自由的滋味,你就无法判断它是否甜蜜。啊!如果你知道什么是自由,你就会命令我们为之而战,而不仅仅是用长矛。但带着战斧。”

    • 回复: @ThreeCranes
  61. dimples 说:
    @Anon

    我认为他的意思是“共产党,即世界上所有的共产党,在 200 世纪杀死了 20 亿人,而不是美国杀死了 200 亿人。”

    • 同意: getaclue
  62. Anonymous[837]• 免责声明 说:

    我们可以代表买办者来区分一个真实的人的兴起和外国启发的干预。 第一个将被静音,第二个将被《纽约时报》美化。 就这么简单。

    非常真实。一个足够红丸的人,光看MSM就能学到很多东西。真相总是与他们所推销的东西相反,包括全球变暖、白人种族灭绝、爱泼斯坦的“自杀”等其他话题。

  63. @Chinaman

    现在我们已经为毛泽东平反了,我们可以转向斯大林了。

    我是在讽刺

    • 回复: @Dutch Boy
    , @getaclue
  64. 感谢上帝,普京总统知道要区分他所信任的政治技术专家的冷静评估和这些人——我不知道该怎么称呼他们——在 2014 年 XNUMX 月那致命的几周里发出的噪音。正如他们大声敦促他那样,军队进入基辅。转眼间,五年过去了。西方政治格局发生了翻天覆地的变化。就连美国有线电视新闻网都忘记了邪恶的俄罗斯)))感谢上帝,普京先生是一位坚定而精明的政治和民族特征读者,他亲自负责设定这个务实的中国“……”联盟的基调、范围、限制和持续时间---- 而不是这些沙米尔或猎隼。我们甚至不要讨论什么是中国、什么是东亚、这是什么、那是什么——浪费时间。坐下来欣赏表演。

  65. Paul 说:

    掠夺人民生命的共产昆虫的死亡!

  66. Aspnaz 说:

    中国领导人知道如何处理天安门事件,知道如何处理少数民族骚乱,没有不必要的残酷,没有犹豫和搪塞。

    北京利用恐惧来控制中国人。他们的工具箱里没有任何其他工具:香港是一个问题,因为——尽管作者无知——中国现在比以往任何时候都更加依赖香港在金融界的地位。否则中国早就对抗议者开枪了。事实上,中国现在就像头灯下的鹿:1 月 XNUMX 日中国国庆节即将到来,他们需要在此之前停止抗议活动(否则中国会丢面子),但又不能破坏美元的流通,但他们不这样做知识!我理解作者的废话:他把自己对世界的理解强加在香港当地人身上,这是经典的“每个人都以同样的方式思考、以同样的方式行事,所以香港抗议者也做同样的事情”的傻瓜智慧。哦,好吧,如果它很有趣,谁在乎呢。这当然没有教育意义:难道他不知道所有抗议者都在抗议他们失去了一些东西,并且已经到了他们会抗议的地步。称他们为黑鬼会给你带来额外的点击量,但我对香港一无所知,你可能会写关于黄背心的文章。

    • 回复: @Parsnipitous
    , @Goldie
  67. George 说:

    “曾经,一个香港居民远远高于那些悲惨的内地苦力;他会说英语,他有智能设备,他在从大陆吸走财富的触手中占有一席之地,而其中一些财富粘在他出汗的手上。”

    香港在与最接近的竞争对手新加坡竞争时遇到了困难。部分原因是法律框架对香港不利。香港房地产市场相对于中国和世界其他地区的吸引力的基础是独立于中国的法律框架。虽然引渡条约乍一看似乎合理,但请记住,香港的引渡条约必须与新加坡、台湾和澳大利亚的引渡条约竞争。引渡条约的一个有趣之处是,香港已经在中国,为什么还需要将人引渡到中国其他地方?

    中国可能会也可能不会通过中央计划实现经济工业化。但他们无法集中规划的一个行业是电影和娱乐业。怎么以前香港什么都没有,有顶级电影业的李小龙,现在却好像什么都没有了。

    在我看来,中国大陆当局只是不了解香港经济,而且大多选择他们认为方便的政策。

    • 回复: @Jeff Stryker
    , @onebornfree
    , @Anon
  68. @peterAUS

    六年前,当斯诺登的胡言乱语和迈丹的胡言乱语首次爆发时,我很困惑为什么普京先生一直对所有这些“俄罗斯民族主义者”冷漠,并让所有重要的工作远离他们。他对西方的挑衅立场在言辞上不是很相似吗?现在我明白了!!人们甚至更愿意站在RFKP俄罗斯通讯党的僵硬恐龙一边,——甚至祖加诺夫也更了解俄罗斯的真正利益所在,或者如何解读他们来自北京的新同志,等等,等等。 。

  69. 大多数抗议者看起来都不超过三十岁,所以我严重怀疑他们还记得过去的美好时光。此外,我想我可以代表大多数美国人在这件事上说:“仍然不在乎。”你知道,深层政府可能用其同质全球主义过度发挥了作用,由于所有可爱的移民,我们大多数人更担心金钱和犯罪。再加上美国低俗的教育使香港成为成龙电影的取景地,甚至这个概念也已经过时了。世界上的工具最好开始意识到美国正在向厕所滑下去有多远,并开始更明智地选择他们的资助者。

  70. Paul 说:

    让香港、西藏、维吾尔人民活下去!

    • 回复: @Crow
  71. Aspnaz 说:

    由于鸦片贸易,所有香港抗议者都应该得到他们应得的东西吗?我敢打赌作者也认为所有白人都应该因为奴隶制而受到压迫? SJW对香港的看法是什么?

    • 回复: @Parsnipitous
  72. Jake 说:

    “像比尔·布劳德、鲍里斯·别列佐夫斯基、罗曼·阿布拉莫维奇这样聪明而冷酷的犹太人发了财,但俄罗斯却被毁了,人民陷入了贫困。”

    这就是 WASP 帝国、盎格鲁犹太复国主义帝国提供自由的方式。

    把你的钱寄给 VDARE,这样它就可以召唤更多的 WASP 帝国——WASP 和犹太精英将尽可能多地吸引非白人来填充这个帝国,以便永远粉碎白人垃圾,以便更多的犹太人成为多民族的人。亿万富翁。我们都喜欢说英语,这是二战以来国际犹太人的语言。

    • 回复: @Parsnipitous
  73. @Wally

    “香港是从中国夺走的,中国有权收回。”

    是的,但显然要到 2047 年:

    “一个国家,两种制度”是中华人民共和国最高领导人邓小平在1980世纪XNUMX年代初为实现中国统一而制定的宪法原则。他建议,只有一个中国,但香港和澳门等不同的中国地区可以保留自己的经济和行政制度,而中华人民共和国(或“中国大陆”)的其他地区则采用中国特色社会主义制度。根据这个原则,两个地区可以继续拥有自己的政府体系、法律、经济和金融事务,包括与外国的贸易关系,所有这些都独立于内地……”

    “……香港是英国的殖民地,由英国君主政体任命的总督统治,从 156 年起(除了二战期间日本占领的四年),直到 1841 年回归香港为止 1997 年。中国主权。中国同意接受《中英联合声明》中规定的一些条件,例如香港回归前起草和通过“小宪法”基本法。香港基本法确保香港作为中国的特别行政区保留五十年的资本主义经济制度和自己的货币(港元)、法律制度、立法制度以及人民的权利和自由50年。 目前的安排将于 2047 年到期,允许香港在许多国际环境中以“中国香港”的名义作为自己的实体运作......”

    请参见: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_country,_two_systems

    “有趣”的是[除非我不知何故错过了],这篇写得非常糟糕的文章以及[至少]线程中的前 56 条评论完全忽略了这个重要的细节。

    此致onebornfree

    • 回复: @Wally
  74. TKK 说:

    令人惊讶和麻烦的是,文章和评论都没有承认香港在 2047 年之前具有特殊地位,而整个风波都是实时围绕引渡法进行的。

    香港抗议者并不是在思考古希腊、鸦片战争或美国男同性恋者对他们困境的描述。

    如果引渡法被推翻,中国的大手就可以伸进去抓香港的政治异见人士并消灭他们。这就是问题所在。

    是反对派的挑衅性混乱或愚蠢,还是纯粹的扶手椅傲慢无知,迫使安全的西方人捍卫残酷的共产主义政权?

    没有一个理智的人会选择北京的审查制度和笨手笨脚的统治来取代文明、放松的香港,从英国衍生的法律保护到社交媒体自由。

    该网站如此偏向边缘化、反西方的宣传,以至于其报道几乎完全错误 *现实*.

  75. onebornfree说: “是的,但显然要到 2047 年”

    到那时,希望中国目前完全令人厌恶的、反自由市场的、凶残的共产主义制度将彻底崩溃(出于经济原因,它不可避免地必须崩溃),就像苏联之前所做的那样,就像美国所做的那样如果它的居民坚持沿着完全相同的道路走得更远 — — 而它(美国)已经走了至少 100 年了,它自己也会这么做。

    独生子女

  76. @George

    李小龙于 46 年前去世。

    香港明星也不可避免地进入好莱坞。它的报酬更好。

  77. @TKK

    TKK说:“令人惊讶和麻烦的是,文章和评论都没有承认香港在 2047 年之前享有特殊地位,而且整个风波都是实时围绕引渡法进行的。”

    一点也不奇怪。由一个白痴写的,很大程度上得到白痴的认可[即国家主义者、社会主义者、共产主义者等]🙂

    等等...。

    此致onebornfree

    • 哈哈: TKK
  78. Rurik 说:
    @Priss Factor

    中国人需要去那里,用最大的力量消灭腐朽的败类。

    西方一些人抱怨中国的社会信用体系,我同意这很糟糕,但我们这里也遇到了同样的事情。

    Drudge 现在的头条新闻(红色):

    硅谷构建中国式社会信用体系……

    分数影响保险、去哪里吃饭、旅行等等……

  79. 读这篇文章(英语政治语言废话)让我感到恶心,我这样做只是为了从工作中休息一下。事实上,当我不用中文思考时,我会改用俄语,我鼓励其他人也这样做。

    除了昨天复制了AnonFromTN的一些评论之外,我最新的博文都是俄语的:

    https://gmachine1729.com/2019/08/

    我认为中国应该将其国际语言从英语改为俄语,这将有助于遏制英语世界的影响力。无论如何,英语是一种鸡肋的语言,俄语漂亮得多。 Israel Shamir,很高兴看到您的俄语作品集。

    不想过多谈论香港,只是注意到大陆人不太关心他们。更好的事情要做,他们的抗议根本不会真正影响我们。

    • 回复: @Israel Shamir
  80. 从迄今为止的评论中,我注意到这里常见的犹太复国主义者、亲犹太人、亲以色列的成员(PeterAUS、Corvinus、Bardon Kaldian、TKK)也恰好都是恶毒的反华分子。

    相当有趣的相关性。似乎在暗示着什么……

    • 同意: Parfois1
    • 回复: @TKK
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
  81. Declane 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    为什么中国没有成为美国的帝国?这是否与他们回避创新的落后文化有关?

    让我们面对现实吧——中国只不过是一群学会创作一点艺术的同质奴隶。然后西方终于突破了,他们并没有试图效仿我们,而是对整个事物进行了崇拜。中国现在有了自动扶梯,中国人不能相信它们不会像巨型机械野兽一样吞噬它们。美国的购物中心可能会消失,但我们可以重建。中国人能对他的土地上的任何事情说同样的话吗?他们甚至无法在第一次就做对。

    美国最大的罪恶就是奴隶制。我拒绝称呼“帝国主义”,因为它是当时全球游戏的名称。他们无法在谈判桌上赢得一席之地是中国的错。我们没有告诉他们停止探索海洋。

  82. Republic 说:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    专业提示:关于举报人,不要向拦截者泄露材料,否则你可能会像现实赢家和其他几个目前被联邦拘留的人一样

  83. @George

    乔治 说: “中国可能会也可能不会通过中央计划实现经济工业化……”.

    不,那只是纯粹的幻想。经济的集中化最终总是会失败。还记得苏联,呃,“实验”吗?

    一百多年前,反对经济集权化(例如苏联、纳粹德国、中国等,现在可悲的是美国)的知识和科学论证已获得决定性胜利。

    诸如卡尔·门格尔(CarlMenger)之类的人(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Menger ] 和路德维希·冯·米塞斯 (https://mises.org/library/human-action-0 ] 彻底瓦解/摧毁了马克思、希特勒、列宁、毛泽东等人所拥护的经济中央计划的论点(可悲的是,所有 1900 年后的美国政府,包括特朗普)。

    然而,不幸的是,正如乔治·桑塔亚纳(George Santayana)所说:“那些记不起过去的人注定要重蹈覆辙。” – 因为白痴永远不会学习,并且总是被新的不诚实的政客所欺骗,他们不劳而获地宣传“所有人的民主”等等。

    简而言之:“政府始终是少数人剥削多数人的一种方式。但并不总是同样的几个。”比尔·邦纳

    “社会过去是,过去一直是,永远是通过精英统治,暴徒执行,统一或不统一,由故意的无知和愚蠢所维护的政治力量体系对多数人进行剥削和压迫的结构。该系统所压迫的绝大多数人中。” 理查德·摩根(Richard K. Morgan)

    “知识分子、科学家和技术专家所采纳的观点是,由于他们可以从上方看到整个社会,由于他们能够以更清晰和更具体的方式理解其运作方式,并且由于他们了解自然资源的广阔领域,他们可以并且应该计划和规划人类的未来。 这种信念是一种精神错乱。” 乔恩·拉波波特

    乔治说:“….IMO,中国大陆当局只是不了解香港经济,并且大多选择他们认为方便的政策。”

    最终,这一切都是为了能够窃取更多的钱来避免不可避免的经济崩溃。

    正如我们在这里所说/所写的那样,中国经济现在正在快速崩溃。

    这[中国破产]是不可避免的。一个国家的经济越集中,普通民众就越贫穷[而其精神病煽动者就越富有]。

    中国已经绝望了。它把香港的财富视为一种手段,可以让其凶残、失败的共产主义骗局继续维持一段时间,仅此而已。台湾也是如此。

    都是为了财富,就坐在那里,准备被大陆的共产党窃取,进一步丰富权力金字塔最顶端的人,以拯救自己[ 不能 普通的中国男人或女人]免遭彻底的金融毁灭,这即将到来——速度很快!

    此致onebornfree

  84. 沙米尔先生,既然你如此慷慨地使用令人厌恶的词“黑鬼”,你的下一篇文章应该以犹太人的诽谤为特色,比如 kike 或 heeb。

    这里有一个建议:“负责美国财政部的凯克人”

  85. “香港抗议者反抗中共控制的警察的惊人镜头
    抗议者想要自由——中国想要控制”:

    “反对暴政的革命是一项人权”:

    此致onebornfree

    • 回复: @Seraphim
  86. Rurik 说:

    我们可以代表买办者来区分一个真实的人的兴起和外国启发的干预。 第一个将被静音,第二个将被《纽约时报》美化。 就这么简单。

    先生说得好。

    并且准确无误。

    它确实是了解任何地缘政治事件或运动的潜在动机和相对优点(或缺乏)的完美指标。

    克里米亚人民应该能够决定自己的命运吗?

    只要看看《纽约时报》就能了解该地区和冲突的细微差别。如果他们说克里米亚正在俄罗斯的暴政下崩溃,那么你可以百分百肯定事实恰恰相反。

    美国是否在乌克兰(亚茨就是那个人)煽动了民主?读一读《纽约时报》,一切都会被阐明。阿萨德的化学袭击、温和的叛乱分子……从MH17到“俄罗斯的侵略”,你可以找到“所有适合印刷的真相”。只能倒转。

    香港、顿巴斯、伊朗、叙利亚、也门、夏洛茨维尔、黄背心、加沙、俄罗斯黑客和勾结……等等。它是了解我们这个时代以及所实施的动机和原则(或缺乏)的宝贵工具。

    正如你提到的,对于 一些突出的事情(例如基于谎言的一系列侵略战争、明显的叛国暴行以及各种战争罪、民主党全国委员会腐败、共和党腐败等等令人作呕的事情),人们必须倾听 蟋蟀, 他们以雷鸣般的声音谈论这些事情,却又沉默不语。

    猖獗的白人至上主义者向左右开枪,他们的尖叫声让他们大喊“对每一个大规模枪击案的有罪公民保持沉默”。

    通过小心翼翼地不报道某些事情,以及对另一些事情进行彻头彻尾的谎言和歪曲,《纽约时报》已成为揭示我们这个时代((道德憎恶))的宝贵工具。

    我们都应该非常感谢他们扎实且可预见的努力。

  87. Wally 说:
    @onebornfree

    还等什么?

    – 该协议并未赋予香港完全的独立和主权。
    – 该协议不允许骚乱者从事破坏性、扰乱性、暴力行为。
    – 该协议要求香港政府维持秩序,而迄今为止他们还没有这样做。
    – 因此该协议已被香港政府违反并宣布无效。

    中方有权利、有责任维护香港秩序。香港是他们的,他们理所应当地收回它。

    • 同意: Beefcake the Mighty
    • 回复: @Corvinus
  88. getaclue 说:
    @Biff

    哈哈——你为什么不迟到并声称我是俄罗斯机器人呢?我注意到你没有讨论独立法庭的调查结果?当然不是。这里唯一的宣传者就是像你这样的人——没有人“揭穿”法庭和中国共产党迫害中国少数民族的其他事实调查结果——穆斯林、法轮功、天主教(以及虚假的国家支持的团体“亲穆斯林”)。不幸的是,共产主义梵蒂冈/教皇现在“认识到”那里真正的天主教会遭受了数十年的迫害,这让他们感到绝望和受伤……)——宗教和其他方面。问题更多的是谁付钱让你到这样的网站上发表这样的垃圾评论——北京?——或者你只是一个亲共的失败者?

    • 回复: @FB
    , @denk
  89. @Bardon Kaldian

    有些人向圣经寻求指导,但你再次表明,欧洲人的思想和道德历史的真正根源在于希腊思想。那些崇拜《旧约》和《新约》中的人民和上帝的人崇拜外来的神,并向外来的暴君下跪。

    令人悲伤和讽刺的是,Unz 的许多评论者都贬低 STEM 以外的任何学科的研究,认为这是徒劳的浪费时间,也是二流思想的标志。需要对希腊人进行研究,以告知和武装欧洲人反对闪米特主/奴隶道德的思想。

    • 回复: @Rurik
    , @Anonymous
  90. 我很快就放弃了阅读这篇文章,这篇文章是关于沙米尔可能有意见的事情——至少适合在港口流通期间站立一段时间——但他在知识或经验上没有权威。当他大肆渲染今天的香港人一定是那些早期逃离共产主义中国的人的后裔,因为150多年前香港在英国统治下人口很少时所发生的事情时,我放弃了。

    有理由读完这篇文章吗?

    顺便说一句,有人可以添加到我的“不吠叫的狗”拼图中吗?我不止一次提出过一个明显的可能性,即部分骚乱是中共特务煽动者所为,尤其是对立法会的破坏。但我没有看到任何后续行动或任何正面或负面的回应。奇怪的?

  91. 只有思想堕落的人才会认为中国大陆应该对香港伸出肮脏的凶手。造成这种情况的原因太多了,如果你想不出任何一个,那么你除了成为一个无用的食客之外,就没有能力做任何事了。

    • 回复: @Chinaman
    , @Anounder
  92. Rurik 说:
    @Greg Bacon

    黑鬼这个令人厌恶的词,

    你知道吗 为什么 你讨厌这个词吗?

    这是因为其意义的对象。

    Nigger 简单来说就是黑人的意思。在南方,“房屋黑奴”只是指在房屋里工作的黑人奴隶,而不是田地奴隶。这个词本身是中性的,就像“Negro”或“尼日利亚”一样,它来自拉丁语“nigreos”,而西班牙语中的“negro”=黑色。

    人们使用俚语来描述某些种族的现象自人类诞生以来就已存在。瑞典人通常被称为“方头”,德国人=“krauts”,白人=“cracker”、“honkeys”或“whiteys”。

    “黑鬼”被认为是一个禁止使用的贬义词的唯一原因是因为它所描述的对象——

    ..正如您提到的那样,令人厌恶。

    除了最糟糕的种族主义者之外,没有人讨厌所有黑人,但使用“黑鬼”(或在白人黑鬼的情况下,就此事而言,“wigger”)一词来描述某种人,无非是正确有效地使用语言。

    我厌恶那种渗透并贬低我们社会的双重思想和政治正确性。如果黑鬼就是黑鬼,那么 对工资盗窃 所以。黑人这样做,通过建议不允许白人,你的意思是所有白人都有一种内疚感,这禁止他们使用某些描述性词语。我说他妈的。我会整天说黑桃,黑桃, 如果是这样的话。

    • 同意: bruce county
    • 回复: @Half-Jap
  93. 笑。

    所以在一个越来越忽视圣经的社会里。对于你们许多人来说,我们社会的问题的答案是

    圣经。

    我认为真正的原因是这种奇特的逻辑。

    -------------

    我两天前读过这篇文章,但我仍然不确定如何超越这个标题,因为在美国“在家里”工作的奴隶实际上仍然是锁、钥匙、鞭子和绳索下的奴隶。

    这个标题中这个术语的使用(尽管可能带有贬义)是戏剧性的,但与时间、空间和环境的现实完全不同步。

    比喻失败。

    • 回复: @Rurik
  94. Rollmop 说:
    @Dutch Boy

    那样的话,那些人就会被误导。引渡法案是对现行立法的修订,自1997年以来一直有效运作。 *前* 移交到中国。事实上,根据该立法将中国添加为“规定地点”是基于对中国采取的预防措施比已适用于该立法已涵盖的其他国家更为严格的预防措施。

    事实上,大多数香港人太愚蠢,无法理解拟议的法律。我住在香港。我难以置信他们竟然选择死在这座山上。得知我一直钦佩的人实际上是愚蠢的,这是一次令人沮丧的经历。

  95. ANON[117]• 免责声明 说:

    你和布拉班提安,

    造谣

  96. Rurik 说:
    @ThreeCranes

    需要对希腊人进行研究,以告知和武装欧洲人反对闪米特主/奴隶道德的思想。

    说得好!

    还有罗马、拜占庭和我们历史上的集体神话、神话和传奇,以及如此丰富、自豪和光荣的遗产,今天几乎没有西方人知道。 (例如,它不在电视上,所以除非它写在金·卡戴珊的屁股上,否则很少有人知道)。

    例如,您认识的人中有多少人知道我们从哪里得到一周中各天的名称?

    几千年来,我们的祖先奋斗、战斗、热爱和思考我们的存在,并为星座、我们的男神和女神以及各种神话创造了令人惊奇的含义和诗意的名字。

    但所有这些对基督教叙事以及牧师和僧侣来说都是令人厌恶的,他们舒适的生活、权力和财富都建立在一个单一的、残酷执行的教条之上。因此,就像亚历山大图书馆一样,其他所有图书馆都被烧毁和摧毁,并被宣布为异端。

    早就该复兴我们的集体遗产和辉煌的过去了。

    考虑到《纽约时报》无处不在的谎言和魔鬼的叙述,(等)我希望倡导真实的真相并不是离题太远。

    • 回复: @ThreeCranes
  97. 莫斯科抗议者梦想俄罗斯被北约军队占领,而不是民主。他们相信,他们亲西方、受过教育、有企业家精神,将形成买办阶级,并以牺牲民众利益为代价实现繁荣。幸运的是,它们并不多:俄罗斯人已经尝试过在温和的环境下生活 西方占领 1991 年至 2000 年间,国际货币基金组织指导其财政和 美国顾问 来自哈佛大学的人负责管理国家机器。像比尔·布劳德、鲍里斯·别列佐夫斯基、罗曼·阿布拉莫维奇这样聪明而冷酷的犹太人发了财,但俄罗斯却被毁了,人民陷入了贫困。

    “西方占领”和“美国顾问”都是具有欺骗性的术语,因为罪魁祸首是犹太人,主要是披着哈佛经济学家合法性外衣的杰弗里·大卫·萨克斯。他策划了对俄罗斯人的犹太人盗窃。与他一起长大的犹太人仍然以同样的方式假装合法性(司法长袍,即犹太法官),掠夺他们家乡附近的非白人白人公民。

  98. Che Guava 说:

    沙米尔先生,

    我同意这篇文章的大部分内容。

    关于。你的第一段,当英国人认识到租约已经结束时(并匆忙建立政治机构以制造未来的麻烦),没有“智能设备”,我认为这是“愚蠢的设备”。
    “智能设备”的先驱是日本的 NTT,该公司开始在 25 键电话上包含一种 Java 脚本形式。简单游戏和逻辑游戏(“密室逃脱”类型就是从那时开始的)就是从那时开始的。

    制造商不想打破不同产品类别之间的障碍(游戏掌机,尽管我更喜欢专用的任天堂游戏而不是任何“智能”手机垃圾,除了一些几何或其他数学益智游戏、相机、手机、小型计算机等)。 )。

    我们在日本的制造商(特别是夏普,拥有优秀但难以连接的 Zaurus),以及欧洲的几家制造商(特别是 Psion/Tektronics 产品,故意避开它)。当然,他们后来的产品在某种程度上是可连接的,但不是很好。

    我不想说,我并不愚蠢,并且在乔布斯之前几年就已经制定了明显的解决方案,但由于我的大部分工作是为芯片设计师和制造商以及与此相关的,而且我没有很多钱或影响,我缺乏现实意识与现在的情况无关。
    回到香港,我可能会重复之前的帖子,但降落在旧启德机场是一次可怕、令人兴奋和美丽的经历,飞行员急剧倾斜以避免撞到建筑物,我很高兴经历过。

  99. annamaria 说:
    @TKK

    “反西方宣传……”

    https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3003381/gruesome-taiwan-murder-lies-behind-hong-kong-leader-carrie

    怀孕香港人在度假时被杀的嫌疑人无法接受审判,因为两地(香港和中国)之间没有达成协议。

    这一政策变化旨在堵塞去年2月一起凶杀案暴露的漏洞,当时台湾当局无法起诉一名被控在台北杀害怀孕女友后逃往香港的香港人。

    目前,嫌疑人可以被移交给与香港有引渡协议的 20 个国家之一。可以移交的 46 项罪行包括谋杀、黑客、走私和逃税,以及欺诈、腐败和洗钱等 15 项企业犯罪。

    上述事实中的“反西方宣传”到底是什么?
    “现行安排将于 2047 年到期,允许香港在许多国际环境中以‘中国香港’的名义作为自己的实体发挥作用。” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_country,_two_systems

    一名年轻孕妇被谋杀。凶手因为法律漏洞决定躲藏在香港。 – 中国不属于“与香港有引渡协议的20个国家”。

    你站在哪一边,“TKK?” ——猜猜站在“进步派”和“人道主义”干涉主义者一边,他们给世界带来了辐射塞尔维亚(散布着贫铀)、曾经繁荣的利比亚的奴隶市场、叙利亚残害和被谋杀的儿童以及内战在犹太化的乌克兰。

    • 回复: @TKK
  100. Rurik 说:
    @EliteCommInc.

    鉴于奴隶,我仍然不确定如何超越这个头衔。

    等等,等等

    如果你对“黑鬼”这个词感到如此震惊,那你为什么还要咯咯笑、出丑呢?

    难道你不应该以胎儿的姿势哭泣和抽泣吗?

    相反你是 笑!

    先生,你终于没有礼貌了吗?

    他说 黑鬼, 但你却笑了!

  101. @Corvinus

    “他们想恢复地方自治。”

    ——你的意思是,以下内容是香港人民的诅咒:

    可以移交的 46 项罪行包括谋杀、黑客、走私和逃税,以及欺诈、腐败和洗钱等 15 项企业犯罪。

    你的口号让人想起争取自由的比尔·布劳德和卡丹推动的马格尼茨基法案。俄罗斯和中国的这些“其他人”想要加强法治——这对于“进步派”来说是多么令人不快。

    顺便问一下,“科维努斯”,你为什么要篡夺伟大匈牙利人的名字?

  102. sarz 说:
    @Priss Factor

    中国应该在香港问题上制造“克什米尔”。

    有人应该对你做克什米尔。一声鸟弹射中头部,造成故意致盲。它变得更好了。克什米尔医生最终成功挽救了一些眼睛的部分视力,因此莫迪宣布不应再使用圆形鸟弹。现在是不规则的颗粒了。

  103. Alfred 说:
    @Vedic Hyperborean

    那种人会站在遥远的外国势力一边而不是自己的同胞

    众所周知,你们的国会发生了这种情况。那么谁才是真正的黑鬼呢?

    内塔尼亚胡总理向美国国会发表讲话

    • 哈哈: Malla
  104. @Paw

    没有人可以质疑你所说的话。 比尔鲍德是一个杀人犯,一个小偷和一个躲避聚光灯的罪犯。 他的精神兄弟是我们自己的杰弗里·爱泼斯坦。

  105. TKK 说:
    @Ghan-buri-Ghan

    不是“恶毒反华”。

    我不屈服于任何类型的群体思想。中国在一些事情上做得非常正确(我想到了高速列车和鼓励企业家)。

    然而,我读了太多索尔仁尼琴和中国遣返的朝鲜难民(实际难民)的报道。 保证 当他们跨过鸭绿江假装共产主义是彩虹和闪闪发光的纸杯蛋糕时,他们遭受了酷刑和死亡。

    中华人民共和国是共产主义国家。

    像往常一样,互联网知道一切——你去过中国吗?你是否曾与土生土长的人坐在一起,他们是钉子,当它站起来时就会被敲下来?

    您是否意识到这个网站只能通过中国的 VPN 访问?

    你是否如此愚蠢,以至于没有意识到你的大嘴潜鸟阴谋论只会被你的狗、家人或厨房的墙壁听到? (如果所说的狗没有被绑架和吃掉的话)

    不在任何社交媒体平台上。

    但这是你保卫的国家吗?你是愚蠢、妄想还是只是无聊?

  106. TKK 说:
    @annamaria

    我无法在您的评论中辨别出任何有价值的内容来回应。

    但我站在哪一边呢?

    工人阶级——例如肯塔基州的矿工拿着煤炭赎金来支付工资。

    • 回复: @Parfois1
  107. “那如果你对‘n’这个词感到如此震惊,那你为什么要咯咯地笑、大笑、出洋相呢?” 。 .'?

    难道你不应该以胎儿的姿势哭泣和抽泣吗?

    相反,你却在笑!”

    我认为你做出了错误的假设。你假设我的笑声是由“笑”这个词引起的。事实并非如此。我笑的是,所讨论的香港人实际上反映了所讨论的术语。相比之下,事实并非如此。这种比较最好比喻为美国的“自由黑人”,当然,人们不会用这个词来指称自由黑人,他们比任何奴隶都更容易获得财富。

    我什至不确定这种比较是否准确,但它比所使用的术语的使用要接近得多。这里的问题是准确性,而不是对该术语的最初反应,可能会预期其在美国具有贬义语义。这让我想起女性,尤其是白人女性和同性恋者在美国使用“奴隶制”一词来表达她们的地位。这通常会引起笑声,或者类似的翻白眼。并不是因为奴隶制很有趣,而是因为这种比较确实很有趣。就像这里一样。

    你只是为我笑的地点和原因选择了一个错误的框架。我不能也愿意告诉你该怎么想。当然,我们欢迎您在提出观点时坚持自己的观点。然而,它不会以任何方式反映我的经历和对此发表的评论。

    文章中使用该术语与人口类别的类比是基于该术语的含义,这是不正确的。

    我并不是在笑你认为我在笑的事情。

    但我确实觉得你的假设很幽默。

  108. 嗯:硅谷正在建立中国式的社会信用体系
    “在中国,对公民行为进行评分是政府的官方政策。美国公司越来越多地在法律之外做类似的事情”:

    “你听说过中国的社会信用体系吗?这是一项以技术为基础、以监控为基础的全国性计划,旨在推动公民采取更好的行为。中国政府表示,最终目标是“让守信者走遍天下,让失信者寸步难行”。

    “自 2014 年开始实施的社会信用体系是一项正在进行中的工作,可能会在明年发展成为适用于所有中国公民的单一全国性积分体系,类似于金融信用评分。它的目的是惩罚违法行为,包括加入或支持法轮功或藏传佛教、未能偿还债务、过度玩电子游戏、批评政府、逾期付款、未能清扫商店或房屋前的人行道、在火车上吸烟或大声播放音乐、乱穿马路以及其他被中国政府视为非法或不可接受的行为。”

    “它还可以为慈善捐款甚至带自己的父母去看医生而奖励积分。”

    “惩罚可能很严厉,包括禁止出境、使用公共交通、入住酒店、雇用引人注目的工作或接受儿童进入私立学校。它还可能导致互联网连接速度变慢,并以在公共黑名单上注册的形式出现社会污名。”

    “一条简洁的推文将中国的社会信用体系描述为“威权主义、游戏化……”。许多西方人对他们所读到的有关中国社会信用体系的内容感到不安。但事实证明,这样的系统并不是中国独有的。美国正在开发一个并行系统,部分原因是硅谷和科技行业用户政策的结果,部分原因是私营公司对社交媒体活动的监视……”:

    https://www.fastcompany.com/90394048/uh-oh-silicon-valley-is-building-a-chinese-style-social-credit-system

    此致onebornfree

  109. Dutch Boy 说:
    @Mark Hunter

    沙米尔远远领先于你——他是一名基督教斯大林主义者。

  110. Anon[424]• 免责声明 说:

    英国人真无聊,他们想离开欧盟(闭嘴,走走走)。他们非常怀念大英帝国,以至于在香港雇佣了大批苦力来组织针对中国的颜色革命。至少在英国有这么多印度人、巴基斯坦人和黑人,他们可能觉得大英帝国还活着,而且很享受。

  111. Paul 说:

    共产主义精英不喜欢群众的反抗。中方是否会在香港诉诸波尔布特方案?斗争仍在继续。

  112. @gmachine1729

    您可以在 Facebook、RT Russian 和 Zavtra 上阅读我的俄语版。欢迎!

  113. annamaria 说:
    @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree

    不要忘记罗伯特·麦克斯韦的门生比尔·布劳德,他被称为民主斗士。别介意比尔·布劳德是一个逃税者、欺诈者和专利骗子。他还被指控下令杀害他在俄罗斯犯罪的不方便目击者。

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/rule-of-law/epstein-his-connection-to-the-club-of-manipulators/

    https://www.rt.com/russia/444340-browder-magnitsky-murder-moscow/

    英国金融家布劳德曾是后苏联时期俄罗斯人脉广泛的投资者,但在被指控犯有金融犯罪后,成为该国法律的逃犯。然而,在西方,他最出名的是俄罗斯会计师谢尔盖·马格尼茨基(Sergei Magnitsky)的雇主,谢尔盖·马格尼茨基在接受与布劳德案有关的调查时在警方拘留期间死亡。马格尼茨基之死成为国际丑闻,布劳德指责俄罗斯官员杀害了他。

    俄罗斯检察官周一声称,马格尼茨基和其他几名熟悉布劳德在俄罗斯非法活动的人可能已被他的命令杀害。 他们说,俄罗斯已经对布劳德提起了新的刑事诉讼,莫斯科将要求将他引渡为涉嫌参与洗钱的国际犯罪企业的头目。

    https://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2990773

    美国犹太复国主义者的宠儿比尔·布劳德:

  114. Crow 说:

    香港是一个海盗国家,犯罪分子藏匿他们的不义之财。 中国应该让他们就范并没收这些香港财富。

    • 回复: @frankie p
  115. Crow 说:
    @Paul

    “让他们生活[在美国新自由主义地缘政治的奴役下]!”

  116. Chinaman 说:
    @Parbes

    你的话在我耳边如雷霆一般。我承认我很软弱,也很自私。

    我缺乏对方阵营捍卫香港的热情和决心。

    我们是沉默的大多数。

    我内心的很大一部分只是希望它会平息下来,我不必反抗我的香港弟兄,但我现在意识到这是一厢情愿的想法,一些房屋黑鬼清洁工作是有序的。

  117. d dan 说:

    那些声称香港“抗议”是为了自由、民主等的言论很容易被证明是错误的。考虑到:

    1.香港目前享有比英国统治150年来任何时候都更多的自由和民主。那么,请告诉我们,为什么1997年之前我们没有看到自由选举的抗议活动?为什么我们没有看到针对警察暴行的抗议活动(是的,英国在镇压劳工活动人士、共产主义同情者等方面非常残酷)。

    2. 如果是为了自由,为什么他们要挥舞英国或美国国旗?他们为什么想成为英国的一部分?难道他们不知道香港目前比英国或美国享有更多的自由吗? (例如温顺宽容的警察、最低的所得税税率、更少的囚犯人口、没有政治正确性废话等)

    3. 如果是关于引渡法,为什么也没有抗议与美国或英国的引渡协议?难道他们不知道美国有很多域外法律和压迫性法律吗? (例如,尝试在香港设立一家公司与伊朗进行贸易,你可能会被拘留,又名华为首席财务官)。

    4. 难道他们不知道只有在香港也被视为犯罪的情况下才能进行引渡吗?

    5.等等……(许多其他)

    综上所述,任何中立人士都非常清楚地看到,整个行动是一场变相的颜色革命,旨在给中国制造麻烦,或许还可以作为贸易战中讨价还价的筹码。而那些支持所谓“抗议”的评论者则暴露出自己是反华仇恨者、种族主义者或付费喷子。

    • 同意: Biff, annamaria
    • 回复: @Thirdeye
  118. Chinaman 说:
    @Slave Nation

    一个让800亿人摆脱赤贫并在世界各地建设基础设施的政府为什么不应该统治香港呢?如果香港在第一天就被移交给中国,并且我们清理了第五纵队、英国黑人和中央情报局的资产,那么这些垃圾就不会发生。

    等不及中国接管,但香港人将在 2047 年之前摧毁香港。

    现在的中国政府与毛泽东领导下的政府不同。不存在完美的政治制度。英国人在150年的统治中从未给过我们一丝自由,视我们如粪土。 1960世纪10年代以后世界上最凶残的政府是美国人,我直接和间接算了15-XNUMX万。

  119. Thirdeye 说:
    @Corvinus

    “确实,装备齐全的军队屠杀广场内还是广场外的和平普通民众都没有什么区别。 根本不值得进行这样的讨论。”

    它使世界变得不同。 广场上的情况众所周知。 士兵与分散的示威者之间的对抗情况并不为人所知。 如果将流血事件与聚集在广场上的和平示威者的形象联系起来,很容易将其解释为军队无端的暴力。 从BLM骚乱的经验来看,骚乱通常不会发生在官方示威活动中,而是发生在官方示威活动中。 当自选的团体聚集在外围开始烧杀抢掠时,就会发生这种情况。 毫无疑问,北京街头挤满了对示威被驱散感到愤怒的年轻人,他们试图通过与当局的对抗来发泄愤怒。

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  120. Cortes 说:
    @Greg Bacon

    Heeb(我更常看到它是“Hebe”)很可能是希伯来语的一个贬义词,但 kike 有什么问题呢?它只是指许多哈西德派犹太人所戴的小卷发。看

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/688482.How_the_Irish_Invented_Slang

    供参考和解释。

    https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.gsjj-ZDGruQDV-JSGmmbHQHaE8%26pid%3DApi&f=1

    • 回复: @Patricus
  121. peterAUS 说:
    @Thirdeye

    是的。
    尽管如此,问题仍然存在:为什么在“射击杀戮”政策中使用实弹?

    不管你用哪种方式剪掉它,都很难想象出一个合适的理由。没有向部队提供相关的交战规则和戒严/宵禁。
    其实也没有必要进行自卫。部队至少以连规模的单位前进/行进。头盔、带刺刀的步枪、部队凝聚力。很难想象抗议者会对他们构成任何真正的威胁。

    让我们开始追逐。
    解雇是一个“消息”。遵守驱散/离开的命令,否则就会被枪杀。没有被殴打,被捕……枪杀。射手使用的橡胶/塑料子弹则不然。由义务兵型部队的齐射。开枪就被杀了。

    难的。 高效的。

    • 回复: @Thirdeye
    , @annamaria
  122. Anon[424]• 免责声明 说:

    不错,文章的照片。

    为什么英裔美国人如此喜欢白痴与海报和旗帜的照片?

    摄影师更多的是用图像来撒谎​​,而不是作家用文字来撒谎。

  123. Paul 说:

    中国统治者发现香港抵抗运动比天安门广场更难遏制。斗争仍在继续。

  124. Patricus 说:
    @Cortes

    我在其他地方读到“Kike”一词来自意第绪语单词 kikel(拼写?),意思是圆圈。当文盲从欧洲来到美国时,基督徒在自己的名字上签上“X”。不识字的犹太人则在名字上签上一个圆圈,以区别于基督徒。 X也是基督的古老象征。埃利斯岛的员工会说“这是另一艘满是 kikels 的船”,后来简称为 kikes。直到后来几年,它才被认为是一种种族歧视

    犹太人头发上的卷发的故事可能是准确的,因为这些卷发是某种圆圈。然而,大多数犹太移民都是欧洲德系犹太人,可能只有少数人拥有有点卷曲的闪族头发。

  125. Thirdeye 说:
    @d dan

    香港民众的不满更多的是经济上的而非政治上的,而且更多的是香港特有的情况而不是整个中国的情况。 香港的实体经济(增值商品和服务)陷入停滞,而内地的实体经济却突飞猛进。 这改变了香港和内地人的相对经济实力。 香港经历了资产泡沫,部分原因是为了香港精英的利益而操纵的土地政策,以及富裕的内地人的涌入,他们在房地产市场上挤压了当地人。 当地人陷入房产拥有率低、债务高、租金上涨的境地。

    与引起不满的现实情况相比,政治要求是不连贯、不合逻辑的。 他们对内地人能够利用在香港以外产生的财富建立自己的地位感到不满,有时甚至采取有问题的做法,但他们对引渡法案的反对却支持维持现状,使香港对寻求中国法律避难所的内地人有吸引力。 这些抗议活动最能表达的是一种没有针对性的愤怒,其中很大一部分是针对大陆人和讲普通话的人。 但这种愤怒的真正根源是当地的经济政策。

    • 回复: @d dan
  126. Thirdeye 说:
    @peterAUS

    关于参与小规模冲突的解放军部队的战术敏锐性和纪律性,存在许多悬而未决的问题。 这可能是 1968 年芝加哥的实弹情景。 但无论哪种情况,这都与西方媒体报道的中国政府决定杀死一群示威者以给他们一个教训的说法相去甚远。

    一件被忽视的事情是,在局势平静下来后,中共悄悄地对天安门起义的许多要求做出了让步。 当然,他们不会这样展示它们,因为那样会丢面子。

  127. peterAUS 说:

    ……这与西方媒体报道的中国政府决定杀死一群示威者来给他们一个教训的说法相去甚远……

    不是广场上的那些。
    不太确定那些不是在广场上而是在整个城市的。特别是在工人部分。

    有一个因素没有人愿意解决。原因很明显。

    也许 可以尝试:示威者的阶级/社会阶层/立场。

    正如:对“我们的孩子”宽容一点。对工人阶级/下层乌合之众很严厉。

  128. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @getaclue

    “独立法庭”……?

    '守护者'…

    滚蛋吧巨魔…

    • 回复: @getaclue
  129. Anonymous[387]• 免责声明 说:
    @peterAUS

    沙米尔的专栏是阅读有关通过“再教育”改善和“净化”数百万人/数十亿人的好地方,无论是布尔什维克还是毛泽东(我还没读到他赞扬波尔布特和高棉人,但也许他读过)已经)。

    • 回复: @Commentator Mike
  130. Anonymous[387]• 免责声明 说:
    @Ron Unz

    事实上,我们MSM的不诚实或无能是 *非常* 比你想象的还要伟大。

    .

    如果我理解的话,一段时间以来,您一直希望我们的男男性行为者能够变得像中华人民共和国的男男性行为者一样诚实和有能力。

    • 回复: @annamaria
  131. Anonymous[422]• 免责声明 说:
    @ThreeCranes

    令人悲伤和讽刺的是,Unz 的许多评论者都贬低 STEM 以外的任何学科的研究,认为这是徒劳的浪费时间,也是二流思想的标志。

    嗯,处理不理解的事情是很自然的事情;你不觉得吗?

    另一件自然的事情是赞扬并想要追随看起来强大且正在崛起的帝国。尤其是不住在那里,那是那么的舒服,那么的有收获,谁不去呢。
    您是否看到较大政党和较小政党之间存在争论?站在大佬一边!我的意思是,谁不会。
    那么如果你也受过良好的教育,白色不错的专栏可以向读者解释它的美丽。

  132. frankie p 说:
    @Crow

    是的,但他们应该用这笔财富为香港的100个姓氏建立经济适用房项目。 他们需要采取罗宾汉式的方法来应对这种情况,考虑到年轻抗议者面临的主要问题是经济问题:经济繁荣衰退的前景和永远没有机会拥有房屋的前景。 上周在香港报纸上刊登广告呼吁不要使用暴力的寡头亿万富翁李启新可以看到不祥之兆。 中国应该剥夺他和他的寡头同僚——他们都是通过英国设立的受监管行业赚钱的——不义之财,并与边缘人群分享。 赢得人心。

  133. DB Cooper 说:

    走上街头的人都是失败者。但如此大规模的抗议活动甚至可能发生,这表明这些人是在一个默许这种行为的宽松环境中活动的。中共掌权的那段时光,是很多在国共内战期间从大陆逃到香港的香港人(或他们的孩子)的记忆中的。这些人很可能有家人财产被没收,可以回忆起中共过去屡次违背的承诺(中共打内战时,曾多次向所谓资产阶级许下不没收人民财产的承诺),这个和那个。

    在毛泽东的领导下,中共在全世界范围内毫不顾忌地割让中国的领土,造成了近代历史上最大的中国领土损失(外蒙古和藏南是两个值得注意的损失,但还有更多)。今天中华人民共和国的领土比中华民国统治大陆时小了两倍。然后文化大革命来了,对中国的文物进行了大规模的破坏,对中国的传统文化进行了严厉的打压,无数的人遭到了殴打和迫害,陷入了这样的悲惨境地。毛泽东之后,中国共产党逐渐将自己重塑为民族主义政党和中华文化的捍卫者。但不久前还不是这样。

    这就是为什么在大多数海外(香港、台湾)华人的心目中,中共始终没有获得合法性的原因。这是这些抗议活动成为可能的根本原因。

  134. Anon[205]• 免责声明 说:
    @George

    在我看来,中国大陆当局只是不了解香港经济,而且大多选择他们认为方便的政策。

    你不知道你在说什么。中国当局在香港的影响力很小。香港人可以为所欲为。他们让房地产大亨为所欲为,把自己搞砸了。他们有一些重塑经济的机会,但并没有因为这些富有的混蛋的反对而失败。我想说,99%的香港统治精英及其家人都持有外国护照。他们中的大多数人并不关心香港的长期健康。他们只想赚尽可能多的钱,然后在 50 年协议结束之前滚蛋。

    听听这位英国人的说法,他是香港前首席检察官,他对香港略知一二,知道香港的问题是什么。

    • 回复: @Anon
  135. Anon[267]• 免责声明 说:
    @Anon

    但并没有失败——>但未能这样做

    香港前10名富豪都是房地产大亨。

  136. d dan 说:
    @Thirdeye

    “香港民众的不满更多的是经济上的而非政治上的……”

    但这5项诉求本质上都是非经济性的。如果这些不满确实是经济上的,为什么要把旗帜扔进大海呢?为什么要破坏所有政治和警察大楼?为什么还要呼吁特朗普对香港发动贸易战,这当然会让香港经济恶化?为什么……等等。你知道我的意思。

    整个抗议活动闻起来很可疑。

  137. Anon[233]• 免责声明 说:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    认为 Tor 有效吗? 好吧,如果你是 FBI 的话(至少从 2012 年开始)

    https://www.wired.com/2014/12/fbi-metasploit-tor/

    不,我对以色列对将人们引向安全国家怀抱的大人物(阿桑奇、斯诺登、格林沃尔德)的迷恋(现实赢家?)

    接线 文章谈论的是以前称为 Tor Hidden Services 的东西,现在称为 Tor Onion Services。 这与用于电子邮件或网络使用的 Tor(Tor 浏览器捆绑包)无关,这是安全的。

    如果您不使用共享服务器,即使 Tor Onion Services 也是安全的。 丝绸之路使用了它,并且只有在 FBI 使用正常的调查技术发现这个人的名字时才被关闭。

    Tor Onion Services 在共享环境中不安全的原因是另一个客户可以使用有问题的 Web 应用软件,并且可能会在错误消息中返回 IP 地址。 您不希望其他人在您的 Tor Onion 服务服务器上。

    一旦 FBI 知道 IP 地址,他们就知道机器的物理位置,他们可以通过传票为主机服务,他们的技术人员可以直接检查服务器的内容,而 Tor 没有,也从未打算这样做,阻止。 服务器本身没有加密或任何东西。

  138. @Ghan-buri-Ghan

    搞定了。如果你想了解美国和中国之间现在正在发生什么,你只需问:有组织的犹太人想要什么?从大局来看,他们正在转向印度,因为他们目前的东道主美国已经精疲力尽(并且越来越缺乏为以色列的战争分配资源的内部政治意愿)。出于多种原因,他们很可能将印度视为下一站。 (种姓制度、与穆斯林的冲突、以及对中国的民族自卑情结都可以被奉承/操纵)。因此,有必要开始骚扰和软化中国,以此作为煽动未来冲突的手段。

  139. @Greg Bacon

    但我们可以同意像迪内什·迪索萨和拉姆梅什·波努鲁这样的人是新保守主义的黑鬼,不是吗?

  140. Weblurker 说:
    @Ron Unz

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/tiananmen-square-massacre-death-toll-secret-cable-british-ambassador-1989-alan-donald-a8126461.html
    英国秘密电报称,天安门广场大屠杀至少造成一万人死亡

    FWIW,英国大使估计约有 10,000 人死亡。

    屠杀是残酷的,据称是用坦克和装甲运兵车碾压人们,直到他们完全被压扁,这被称为“做馅饼”。随后,残骸被冲入下水道系统。

    • 哈哈: Ron Unz
  141. gutta percha [又名“ gp”] 说:

    我为那些挥舞着美国国旗的香港人感到遗憾,因为我严重怀疑当坦克驶来时美国会帮助他们。如果我们尝试,我们很有可能会失去一个航母战斗群和/或一些美国城市,对中国的核攻击。我认为中国人会牺牲他们的许多城市,只为了摧毁我们的一座城市;他们已经说了这么多。

    当这种情况发生时,没有人会相信新闻报道或官方账户解释它是如何发生的。我们将面临人类历史上最严重的灾难,没有人会知道其背后的真相,也没有人会被“解放”。

    另外,对于自由世界的幸存者来说,不再有廉价的科技产品,因为我们所有的芯片和计算机都是在亚洲制造的,出于某种我不明白的原因。

  142. Anonymous[292]• 免责声明 说:

    美国和西方经常犯错并不意味着中国就是正确的。

    • 回复: @Ghan-buri-Ghan
  143. Yee 说:

    TKK,

    “你知道这个网站只能通过中国的 VPN 访问吗?”

    事实上,这个网站在中国是开放的,CNN和每日邮报也是开放的,华尔街日报、金融时报、路透社都有中文版。我没有阅读所有出版物,因此我无法说出其他已公开的出版物。

    此外,我还要补充一点,许多朝鲜非法移民居住在中国,也有其他国籍。被驱逐出境的朝鲜人不是普通难民。

    我很确定,那些在中国公开主张“美国所做的一切都是对的”的人比他们在美国的同行要容易得多。甚至在社交媒体上,人们也在问为什么微博不禁止亲美账户,而推特、脸书、YouTube却禁止亲中账户。

    我不确定谁生活在一个虚假的世界里,中国大陆还是美国人……

    Gillian Bolsover,牛津大学牛津互联网研究助理
    研究所,菲利普·霍华德 (Philip Howard) 教授兼研究主任
    牛津互联网研究所2018年对推特和微博上的中国政治信息操纵行为进行了一项研究,发现“在微博上几乎没有发现自动化的证据,但在推特上发现了大量自动化”。还,

    “然而,与预期和之前的新闻报道相反,没有
    在 Twitter 上发现了支持中国国家自动化的证据。
    Twitter 上的自动化与反华国家有关
    观点……”

  144. @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree

    不要忘记令人厌恶的拉里·萨默斯如何在哈佛干扰他的小偷门生安德烈
    施莱弗:

    https://www.institutionalinvestor.com/article/b150npp3q49x7w/how-harvard-lost-russia

    谈论将“con”放入经济学中。

  145. Yee 说:

    中国人

    “我缺乏其他阵营捍卫香港的热情和决心。
    我们是沉默的大多数。
    我内心的很大一部分只是希望它能够平息下来,我不必反抗我的香港弟兄,但我现在意识到这是一厢情愿的想法,一些房屋黑鬼清洁工作是适当的。”

    你们缺乏的是与中央情报局同等的领导力……反对派足智多谋、计划周密、组织严密,而你们却不是。香港真正的本土政治团体就是一个笑话。

    • 回复: @Chinaman
  146. Yee 说:

    DB Cooper,

    “走上街头的人都是失败者。但如此大规模的抗议活动甚至可能发生,这表明这些人是在一个默许这种行为的宽松环境中活动的。中共掌权的那段时光,是很多在国共内战期间从大陆逃到香港的香港人(或他们的孩子)的记忆中的。 ”

    事实上,香港的亲中派是老一辈,年轻一代是反中派。这场骚乱是当前媒体和教育机构灌输的结果,而不是过去悲伤的结果。

    • 回复: @DB Cooper
    , @DB Cooper
  147. getaclue 说:
    @FB

    福布斯白痴! (除了白痴或共产党的宣传员以外,任何人都可以找到大量资料……)北京的天气怎么样?: https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/06/18/china-killing-prisoners-to-harvest-organs-for-transplant-tribunal-finds/#17c5720353d4

    • 回复: @Herald
  148. getaclue 说:
    @Priss Factor

    你的言论完全是垃圾:“与……相比,中国对社会信用不良的人的称呼是温和的。” ——完全是胡说八道——在中国,你不能以不良信用评分乘坐飞机或公共交通工具,你实际上就变成了一个非人,在美国的名字是腐烂的,但现在不在那个球场了(不是那个)左派/共产主义者/谷歌人不希望这个系统在这里,他们显然希望……),不要成为共产主义的辩护者——没有哪个系统谋杀了更多无辜的人(上个世纪有 200,000,000 亿人),如果给定条件,也不会这样做。无论何时何地再次有机会……

  149. niteranger 说:
    @Ron Unz

    罗恩:

    我不知道那天中国有多少人死亡,但无论发生什么,你可以确定它被重述以适应美国情报机构的叙述。如果美国主流媒体不是无能和不诚实,那么你就不必浪费你的金钱和资源来建立这样的伟大网站,这样就可以对世界事件进行诚实的讨论!

  150. DB Cooper 说:
    @Yee

    “其实,香港的亲中派是老一辈,年轻一代是反中派。这场骚乱是媒体和教育机构当前灌输的结果,而不是过去的悲伤。”

    我个人认识香港的许多反共人士,他们都是老一辈(80岁以上),原因就如我所说。我还认识至少一位参加过一些抗议活动的人。她今年82岁了。

  151. Alden 说:
    @TT

    为什么美国要负责养活中国?

  152. DB Cooper 说:
    @Yee

    “其实,香港的亲中派是老一辈,年轻一代是反中派。这场骚乱是媒体和教育机构当前灌输的结果,而不是过去的悲伤。”

    你想说的是,香港的亲共人士是老一代人。这绝对不是真的。我个人认识香港的许多民族主义反共人士,他们都是老一辈(80岁以上),原因如我所说。他们之所以反华,正是因为他们是亲华的。出于我之前所说的所有原因,他们对中华人民共和国怀有强烈的仇恨。我还认识至少一位参加过一些抗议活动的人。她今年82岁了。她通常会让一些朋友加入她的抗议活动。

    认为这些抗议活动是年轻一代的现象可能是一个神话。老年人当然不会因为年龄问题而参与那些暴力冲突,也可能不会被新闻记者拍照,因为展示老年人游行示威并不像展示年轻人投掷石块那么性感。但许多人确实参加了和平示威。

    就像我说的,由于中共过去的反华激进历史(比如谴责孔子只是一个例子),香港的老一辈人并不真正认为大陆的政体是合法的。

  153. @TKK

    我99%确信这个网站在大陆没有被屏蔽。我记得在去内蒙古的火车上读过卡林关于超人类主义的文章。

    您最后一次去中国是什么时候?

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Republic
  154. 走狗 说:

    你们竟敢把要求民主的香港老百姓批评为走狗,而自己却与世界第三大国结盟。

  155. 我不相信任何不再要求半直接民主的民众抗议。代表已被证明是精英的马戏团,而HK只是这个体系中的另一个棋子。

    我说让中国就独立进行公投,然后一旦他们获得自由,就解释说,它是帝国罪行的同谋,根本无法进入中国市场。关闭边境,让他们自生自灭。当大门紧闭的时候,帝国就不需要进入中国的大门了。 50-100年后,犯罪分子将离开去寻找更好的牧场,人民将乞求以“一国一制”的条件重新团结。

  156. @Aspnaz

    “抗议者正在抗议他们失去了一些东西”,没错:他们的(被认为的)特权、生活水平以及上帝赋予的 FB 权利。沙米尔提出的所有观点。他还解释了为什么与黄背心的比较是错误的——比较 MSM 的待遇。

  157. @Aspnaz

    愚蠢的归谬法——作者没有说过这样的话。对于谁同意这一点并不感到惊讶。

  158. @Jake

    “我们都喜欢说英语,这是二战以来国际犹太人的语言。”

    很高兴。

  159. @TKK

    如果你非常讨厌这个网站的“反西方宣传”,你知道你可以去哪里。

    • 哈哈: TKK
  160. @Anonymous

    事实上,波尔布特杀的人比美国人在越南及此后杀的人少。这只是取决于你是否认为杀害自己的人民或半个地球的外国人更糟糕、更不道德、更应该受到谴责。嗯……两者对我来说似乎都很糟糕……但仍然……与美国佬相比,红色高棉就像战犯一样苍白,这是肯定的,而且对世界造成的伤害和悲伤远小于山姆大叔。

    我喜欢自以为是的西方人武断地指责丛林中某处大屠杀的凶手。对于你们这些道德宣传家来说,一号姐姐昂山姬现在是一个新的温和版波尔布特吗?

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  161. @anonymous_from_SEA

    《Unz Review》没有被屏蔽也是有道理的。毕竟,它在中国几乎没有影响力,但可以让中国政府了解一些阅读文章或发表评论的公民。

    • 回复: @Republic
  162. Parfois1 说:
    @nsa

    你的“翻译”又让我笑了。

    尽管如此,我对中国政府坚持过渡协议的宽容和耐心感到惊讶。任何其他国家都会停止这场游戏并恢复完全的主权。租约结束时,承租人(业主)占用租赁房屋。让我想起了直布罗陀……

  163. annamaria 说:
    @peterAUS

    “不过,问题仍然存在:为什么在‘射击杀人’政策中使用实弹?”其实也没有必要进行自卫。 ……很难想象抗议者会对他们构成任何真正的威胁。”

    — 在这个论坛上,您被称为以色列的坚定捍卫者。为什么你从来没有注意到以色列人迄今为止一直在以色列占领的领土上实行“枪杀”政策?
    巴勒斯坦人,特别是巴勒斯坦儿童,不会对以色列人构成“任何真正的威胁”,但被选中的至上主义者却不能剥夺自己谋杀和残害“其他人”而不受惩罚的快乐。最新。

    通常选择性的道德愤怒,peterAUS?

  164. Republic 说:
    @anonymous_from_SEA

    Unz在中国境内没有被封锁。刚刚在 Websitepulse 上进行了测试。,ok,时间为 8/27/19 1210 gmt

    北京、上海、内蒙古都可以

  165. Republic 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    但可以让中国政府了解一些阅读文章或发表评论的公民的情况。

    这在技术上可能吗?回复:评论?

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  166. Parfois1 说:
    @TKK

    工人阶级——例如肯塔基州的矿工拿着煤炭赎金来支付工资。

    你,工人阶级?但怎么可能呢?你一贯评论为资本主义走狗。工人阶级,顾名思义,由于依靠出卖劳动力来生存,因此具有阶级意识。这种依赖关系就是对他的自主性(个人自由)的否定——他被束缚了。他被雇主掠夺,雇主将雇主与工人之间不平等合同所获得的利润据为己有。

    碰巧的是,许多工资奴隶被教导要接受自己处于社会秩序底层的命运,并将其内在化。同样的命运也落在了黑人家庭身上——他们失去了自己的身份并接受了主人的价值观。背叛自己的亲人。

  167. Yee 说:

    DB Cooper,

    哦,醒醒吧……这些人挥舞的是美国和英国的旗帜,而不是国民党的旗帜。国民党早已在任何事情上不再重要了。请放弃它们吧。

    英国/美国是让人民互相争斗的专家。任何人如果认为家庭黑鬼或田野黑鬼、国民党或共产党、台湾人/香港人或大陆人对英国/美国有什么影响,那只是妄想。我什至不确定他们自己的白人是否重要,更不用说不同地区的华人了。对于阿拉伯人、斯拉夫人、非洲人等也是如此。

    自从谈到主权移交后,香港就注定会被西方用来对付大陆。预计会发生骚乱。邓小平在解释解放军为什么必须驻港时坦言。军队驻港已22年。

    http://xj.cnr.cn/2014xjfw/2014xjfwws/20160119/t20160119_521167417.shtml
    1986年4月24日,邓小平会见香港著名人士安子介、查济民时说:“驻军是维护国家主权,是个安定人物。不要以为香港不会发生动乱。等到发生了动乱再派军队,问题就严重了。

    令人悲哀的是,香港人无法逃脱前殖民统治者制定的恶意计划。

    • 回复: @DB Cooper
  168. YEE

    美国与香港从来没有任何关系。那是英国殖民地。英国现在是法国附近的一个岛屿,受到移民和街头持刀袭击的困扰,与香港关系不大。

    • 回复: @d dan
  169. annamaria 说:
    @Anonymous

    “匿名[387]”,你是正义ADL的声音吗?

  170. @Parfois1

    Parfois1 说: “……他被束缚了。他被雇主抢劫了,雇主将雇主和工人之间不平等合同所获得的利润据为己有。”

    就是这样……..全面的、100%的共产主义/马克思主义白痴宣传,由另一个“天上掉馅饼”流口水的白痴发布,他很可能从未尝试过创办/经营自己的私人企业商业。

    这种令人厌恶的意识形态是[希望] 究竟 香港人民最终要反对的就是这种共产主义的狂热宣传。

    至少,我希望大多数老年人都能做到这一点。

    许多年长的人已经非常清楚,当/如果香港被共产主义/博格帝国完全同化时,等待着他们和年轻一代的恐怖是什么;他们之前都在还可以的时候逃离了那些恐怖,去了香港和台湾这样的地方,因为他们已经知道, 通过直接经验 那时的大陆,70多年前毛泽东掌权时,如果他们再呆下去,会发生什么。

    当时,与毛泽东统治下的中国大陆相比,香港和台湾被视为相对自由的地方。

    毫无疑问,在过去的70年里,曾经年轻、现在年长的香港居民所经历的毛泽东领导下的大陆共产党接管的恐怖故事,毫无疑问已经被传给了年轻一代。因此,希望至少一些年轻的香港居民也能理解,当他们重新被这个凶残的、充满极权主义的共产主义国家所吸收时,等待着他们的恐怖是什么。

    这一切最可悲的是,许多抗议者似乎真诚地相信美国是一个自由之地,我们仍然拥有言论自由权、持有和携带武器的权利[而且我不只是在谈论枪支此处],或美国宪法前 10 项修正案中列出的任何其他权利。

    可悲的是,美国本身并不落后于中国,它很早以前就已经共产了(这正是美国本身现在正在慢慢“走下坡路”的原因)。

    天啊,我多么讨厌所有的共产党 到处.

    如此……

    不问好,onebornfree

    • 回复: @redmudhooch
    , @Parfois1
  171. Yee 说:

    杰夫·斯特里克(Jeff Stryker),

    “美国与香港从来没有任何关系。那是英国殖民地。 ”

    我以为英国和美国是可以互相信赖的忠实盟友?

    确实,中央情报局甚至没有隐藏其在香港骚乱事件中的作用。你不能这么笨……

  172. @Parfois1

    我以为 TKK 多次写信说他是一名律师。如果这涉及到工作,我想这取决于你如何定义工作。我认为他只是在表达团结。我认为他有时确实对作为该制度受害者的客户表示同情。

    • 回复: @Parfois1
  173. d dan 说:
    @Jeff Stryker

    “美国与香港从来没有任何关系。 ”

    只有那些决定完全生活在西方媒体的回音室里的人才会这么说。

  174. denk 说:
    @getaclue

    孩子,

    你多大了,也许你的耳朵还湿漉漉的?

    GUardian [原文如此]、福布斯 [原文如此]、法庭 [原文如此]
    , '独立加纳克人力资源研究员 [OMFG] 收费 中国啊啊啊啊啊……

    我们不必揭穿任何事情,儿子,

    你应该证实这些 指责 , 白痴,

    在哪儿 证据 ?

  175. Chinaman 说:

    令我莫名其妙的是西方媒体和这里的人群对香港局势的过度关注和关注程度。

    老实说,这两种方式的结果对西方的地缘政治和人民来说都是无关紧要的。 这怎么能比美国的大规模枪击和枪支管制或巴勒斯坦的人道主义危机更重要呢? 到目前为止,甚至没有人死亡。

    不用说天安门 2 坦克冲压人肉馅饼的想法已经抓住了这里评论者的想象力,我相信,在潜意识里,人们已经等不及这一奇观了。 没有什么比看着中国人自相残杀更能让白人满意的了。 我想我们都同意,这绝对比简单地向中国投下核弹更具发自内心和视觉上的吸引力。

    这就是美国人的反常本性,每天都在暴力和破坏中长大。 人们需要他们的修复。

    共产主义者明白这一点,也明白为什么他们会拒绝让白人享受这种快乐。 不会有坦克,也没有干预。 民意会改变,这些暴徒会失去支持,港府可以采取更果断的行动。 在有人意识到政府是认真的之后,人们会恢复理智。

    美国将继续煽动和煽风点火,但香港不是像叙利亚或乌克兰那样的烂摊子。 我相信,如果香港在燃烧,美国也会和我们一起燃烧。

    • 回复: @Frankie P
  176. Chinaman 说:
    @Yee

    是的,但中央情报局不能暗中给一代人洗脑。家里的黑鬼一定有一些合理的不满。

    中共确实需要在公关上下功夫,但香港人对大陆人的厌恶,即“支那人”,比黑鬼综合症还要深一些。

    我的伴侣是大陆人,我们之间总是存在很多文化冲突。这些年来,她开始从我的角度看问题,并且鄙视大陆人的某些行为。他们之间的礼仪和诚信问题是“文明”的大陆人认为需要解决的问题。

    我过去被大陆人欺骗过无数次。即便如此,我从来不认为自己比他们更好,我一直认为我是中国人。我讨厌他们的地方也正是我讨厌自己的地方。

    不管怎样,这些孩子长大后会意识到,他们的行为比文革时期的红卫兵还糟糕。这是一个发现自己真实身份的过程。他们其实是在和自己战斗,他们是支那人。

  177. anonymous[308]• 免责声明 说:
    @Daemon

    一句深刻的话。历史上没有比贪婪和精神变态的大师惠特莫夫更大的邪恶了……甚至连那些无神论者也没有。

  178. anonymous[308]• 免责声明 说:
    @Ronnie

    最近在天安门事件前后,我在电视上看到了班农。 他说天安门事件有75,000万人丧生。

    这就是白人至上败类赖以重建霸权的下层社会?他们可能会在像印度教人(班农喜欢他们)这样的原始异教野蛮人中取得成功,但与其他人......哈哈!

    多可怜啊。

  179. @Anonymous

    美国和西方经常犯错并不意味着中国就是正确的。

    是的,但我们并不生活在一个神奇的、理想主义的童话世界,不是吗?鉴于“西方人”对犹太人的颠覆投降是多么可悲,他们显然没有希望。我们这些想要生存的人只能在(小得多的)罪恶中寻找希望。这个世界上没有道德纯洁或理想主义的立足之地。

    如果你真的认为中国人占主导地位的世界会比犹太人为非犹太人准备的世界更糟糕,那么你就不是很聪明。看看他们在执政一百年左右的时间里对世界做了什么。

    中国人是宣扬低智商黑人崇拜和“多元化”的人吗?中国人是不是提倡同性恋崇拜和庆祝各种形式的变态和堕落?你所要做的就是睁开眼睛,看看周围的世界。

    • 回复: @Corvinus
  180. Corvinus 说:
    @Wally

    “香港是从中国夺走的,中国有权收回。”

    以残酷的方式?中国不是像犹太人一样对待巴勒斯坦人吗?香港人没有自治权吗?

    “该协议不允许骚乱者从事破坏性、破坏性、暴力行为……”

    中国也是这么说的。对于那些被压迫的人来说,他们正在使用一切必要的手段来获得自由。

    “香港是他们的,他们理所应当地收回它。”

    你确实意识到你现在正在为全球主义者挑水,对吗?

    “该协议要求香港政府维持秩序,而迄今为止他们还没有这样做。”

    该协议具体在哪里规定的?

    • 回复: @denk
  181. Anounder 说:
    @Slave Nation

    嘿 Amerimutt/Lolbertarian/Woke Imperialist。 同性恋婚姻怎么样?

  182. Corvinus 说:
    @Ghan-buri-Ghan

    “从迄今为止的评论中,我注意到这里常见的犹太复国主义者、亲犹太人、亲以色列的成员(PeterAUS、Corvinus、Bardon Kaldian、TKK)也恰好都是恶毒的反华分子。”

    事实上,我不是犹太复国主义者,也不是亲犹太人或亲以色列人。你真的误读了茶叶。

    此外,我是支持自由的。香港人民想要自由。如果有的话,你应该支持那些想要获得独立的人们,而不是被全球主义者征服。

    “鉴于‘西方人’向犹太人的颠覆投降是多么可悲,他们显然没有希望。”

    你不代表“西方人”,也不代表白人。

    “如果你真的认为中国人占主导地位的世界会比犹太人为非犹太人准备的世界更糟糕,那么你就不是很聪明。”

    你在这里只是猜测。此外,谁是这个“更大的威胁”确实要由白人自己来决定。你正在将自己的恐惧转移到别人身上。

    “中国是反对犹太世界完全统治地狱般景象的唯一希望,而犹太世界是由黑人和棕色奴隶组成的毫无灵魂的污泥。”

    把你的信心寄托在一个你所鄙视的群体上,将其视为“孤独的希望”,即使有任何意义,也是毫无意义的。请告诉我,你的衣柜里和床底下有犹太人吗?

    “看看他们在执政一百年左右的时间里对世界做了什么。”

    确实,它受到犹太人马克思的影响,建立了共产主义政权,并对敢于反抗的人进行残酷镇压。你确实意识到了这里的讽刺和虚伪,对吧?

  183. Skeptikal 说:
    @Priss Factor

    “法国帝国主义(那还不错)。”

    啊啊。法帝国主义在印度支那是一场灾难。
    你听说过法国外籍军团吗?
    了解他们在印度支那所做的事情。他们用鲜血浸透了美丽的文化(和风景)。
    然后从印度支那前往北非。绝对可怕。
    我确实认为法国帝国主义可能比英国“更糟糕”。法国帝国主义者引入法国教育体系可能在叙利亚做了一些好事。但从根本上来说,欧洲殖民主义是没有道理的。

  184. Skeptikal 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    感谢这个视频!
    我希望它更长一些。
    “炮舰外交”一词起源于中国。
    中国人有充分的理由憎恨美国人。
    当然还有英国人。
    关于鸦片贸易的注释。
    我读过(也许是在威廉·达尔林普尔的一本书中——不确定),英国人交易的鸦片是在印度种植的。此外,印度的主要毒品商人是犹太人。以沙逊家族为例:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sassoon

    还有其他人。
    参见“殖民地加尔各答的崛起见证了与中国鸦片贸易的兴起。英国统治将鸦片变成了全球商品,于1773年建立了对印度鸦片销售的垄断,积极促进鸦片出口,无视中国禁毒法,并打了两场战争以打开中国市场。 [31]巴格达迪犹太商人主导了鸦片贸易,从英国当局拍卖的大部分鸦片箱都由巴格达迪犹太商人出口到中国,他们与马尔瓦里和帕西商人竞争贸易。 [31]沙逊家族最终控制了印度 70% 的鸦片贸易。[2]
    从:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdadi_Jews

    非常有趣的条目。

  185. @Republic

    是的,了解他们如何进行窥探,尤其是居住在中国境外的评论者,将会很有趣。

  186. 我真的希望 unz.com 不会在文章标题中使用 N 字词。这对某些人来说具有煽动性,并将进一步增加当权者因“仇恨言论”而关闭这个优秀网站的理由。停下来吧。

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  187. @Rurik

    太真实了,一切都太真实了。

    我在高中和大学开始时是一名科学极客。然后,在暴雨中开车时,我遭遇了一场几乎致命的车祸。刹那间,我意识到我没有活过,从某种意义上说,我的生命是一种浪费,因为我没有时间了解我们伟大的文化遗产。我瞬间就变了。回到大学,学习我们伟大的欧洲思想史、我们在哲学、艺术、社会科学、神话和宗教方面无与伦比的文化成就和遗产。最后,兜了一圈,我又回到了科学和数学,但现在我被告知了,字面上的,知情的或内在的。

    我喜欢逆流正是因为你的评论指出的原因。从某种意义上说,我们美国人已经成为孤儿、被孤立和被剥夺,那里的文章试图纠正这一点。救援行动,或后卫行动。

    “金·卡戴珊的屁股”——哈哈,但正如你所知,这实际上是一场悲剧。

    亚历山大图书馆被烧毁——西方文明最大的悲剧。一想到我们所拥有的希腊人只是冰山一角就足以让人哭泣。

    • 回复: @Rurik
  188. Chinaman 说:
    @Corvinus

    你不代表“西方人”,也不代表白人。

    此外,我是支持自由的。香港人民想要自由。

    正如少数非犹太人和特朗普不能代表所有白人一样,黑人抗议者也不能代表我和大多数香港人。谢谢,香港人民不需要被解放,因为我们从一开始就没有被奴役过。我不需要某个可能在地图上找不到香港的白人来解开我的锁链并让我自由。我自由了。不要对你不认识的人指手画脚。

    你们都没有受过中共的迫害,更没有资格评论中国政府。我会给你举一个例子。

    我的母亲70多岁了,年轻时曾在中国“再教育”营里,经历过文化大革命。她从来没有机会去上学。我们是富有的地主,我的家人在中国的财产和土地被剥夺了。我的祖父被红卫兵公开羞辱和殴打。 1960世纪XNUMX年代,她游过深港海峡逃到香港。她差点被淹死。 WTF你们白人对CCP的了解超出你们的想象吗???

    她几乎有充分的理由憎恨中共,但她看到了政府如何从错误中汲取教训,如何在800年里让40亿人摆脱贫困,她惊讶于年轻时离开的家乡如何发展,也惊讶于她如何从自己的错误中吸取教训,如何让XNUMX亿人摆脱贫困。生活质量提高。 (你们的政府在那段时间除了杀害大量无辜的穆斯林之外还做了什么。)

    她现在全心全意支持中共,坚决反对这些抗议活动。她认为美国是伪君子,试图阻止中国的崛起。即使是老太太也明白发生了什么。

    除了你在 MSM 上看到的以外,你是否真的与人们交谈过?在我采访过的数百名不同社会经济阶层的人中,80% 的人不支持抗议活动。 90%的人只想继续他们的生活。我们是务实的人,而不是空想家。这些抗议正在损害我们的生计和我们作为城市的声誉。不管你怎么想,公众舆论很久以前就已经转变了。

    个人自由和对个人财产的保护被写入西方民主国家的宪法,但我发现很难将所有这些言论与通过个人税非自愿地剥夺我超过 50% 的劳动成果相调和。税收就是奴隶制,就这样。香港的统一税率为 15%,并且没有全球税。这就是为什么十万逃税的美国人在香港充当第五纵队并发酵骚乱。

    讽刺的是,那些被锁链锁住的人告诉那些自由的人“起来反抗我的主人”。我没有。与西方的社会主义保姆\警察\监控国家相比,香港已经是世界上最自由的地方之一(看看排名。),中共的干预在大多数情况下是最小的和必要的。

    中国人最不需要的就是更多的意识形态或某些白人发明的某种模糊的“自由”概念。它已经造成了足够的伤害。民主和共产主义源于同一个罪孽——嫉妒罪孽——白人应该停止嫉妒中国人取得的进步。管管你自己的事吧,先解决枪支和大规模枪击事件。

    无论某些白人如何用拳头敲击桌子并要求自由和民主,我都知道许多非白人将白白死去。我们不需要更多了。非常感谢。

  189. 竖起大拇指

    还在等待你的《红色佐格》第 2 部分,沙米尔先生……

  190. @onebornfree

    我讨厌资本主义的一切都是共产主义!

  191. “房子 n . 。 。 ”

    真是悲哀

    另一个人不知道使用贬义词进行的比较是完全错误的——

    “我们不再需要这样的东西了。 ”

    然后你看起来很幸福,对你的文化中正在发生的事情一无所知。就在几年前,中国人在广告洗衣皂的同时,还提出中国女孩的男朋友可以使用一剂让他变白的建议。

    在我看来,中国人对此还不够。 。 。

    • 回复: @Ber
  192. Parfois1 说:
    @Commentator Mike

    谢谢。 TKK 表示站在肯塔基州矿工一边。鉴于上下文,我认为他是冒充的,因此我产生了怀疑。

    新的时尚潮流之一是断言社会阶级的终结(类似于“历史的终结”),以宣扬“白板”学说,即我们通过在平等的状态下开始而达到一个新的开始,奇怪的是在这个时候普通人比以往任何时候都更加被剥夺。在不久的将来,他最终可以通过集体行动来争取自己的权利,甚至可以对抗大公司或国家。但是,如果剥夺了他的亲属或阶级的团结和忠诚,他就会变得孤独而无能为力。

    • 回复: @Commentator Mike
  193. Parfois1 说:
    @onebornfree

    可悲的是,美国本身并不落后于中国,它很早以前就已经共产了(这正是美国本身现在正在慢慢“走下坡路”的原因)。

    亲爱的我!我没有注意到美国布尔什维克革命。我听说普京做了一些事情,比如在白宫放了一个特朗普傀儡,但他是一个脱胎换骨的资本家。

    我最后听到的(来自乔姆斯基本人,在政治方面肯定比你更可靠)是,美国是一个法西斯国家(一个由企业权力统治的国家),是共产主义的敌人(读《我的奋斗》)。所以,看来你把你的定义又回到了前面——也许你毕竟是一个共产主义者。

  194. Half-Jap 说:
    @Rurik

    我的一位黑人朋友曾经向我解释说,有黑人,也有黑鬼。看来一个人成为黑鬼的因素不仅仅是肤色,还有他的行为方式。很有趣。

    • 回复: @Astuteobservor II
    , @Rurik
  195. Frankie P 说:
    @Chinaman

    简单。 让他们把注意力集中在香港温和的警察身上,这样他们就不会注意到法国警察,他们经常用橡皮子弹打死 12 名黄背心抗议者并打伤 2,500 名抗议者。

  196. @Parfois1

    帕福斯1

    新的时尚潮流之一是断言社会阶级的终结(类似于“历史的终结”)

    有趣的评论和值得更多辩论的事情。肯定会改变。随着西方的去工业化,传统的工人阶级正在消失,中产阶级也节节败退。流氓无产阶级似乎正在增长,在正式就业人员中,有无数的临时工、兼职工、临时工等,而这些都是一个阶级所不具备的。我想说,现在世界上大多数工人阶级都在中华人民共和国,但他们在多大程度上意识到自己的地位,尽管他们在这个正式的共产主义国家充分接触了经典马克思主义,以及这会产生什么影响,这是值得怀疑的。我不知道经典马克思主义分析是否适用于当前的全球形势。需要研究一些东西,也许需要开发新的革命意识形态和战略,而不是宣扬同样的旧教条。那些仍然声称自己是马克思主义者的人,比如媒体宠儿斯拉沃伊·齐泽克,并没有提供任何创新的、相关的、合理的或具体的东西。或者 RU 自己的安德烈·维切克 (Andre Vitchek)。就像另类右翼的领军人物一样,他们找到了一种谋生方式,迎合社会中真正渴望变革的一小部分人。还有更多的事情......因为他们正在将他们的追随者军事化,在街上互相对抗,而不是对付那些管理事物的人,尽管他们的言辞......这符合谁的利益?我自己不是一个知识分子重量级人物,无法提出这样的、但必要的、深刻的想法,但我能分辨出我什么时候被人胡说八道,违背了我自己和人民的利益。然后,纳粹党试图弥合这一差距,但他们能招募和影响多少人呢?
    后现代主义,呃?该阶段之后会发生什么?

  197. Ber 说:
    @EliteCommInc.

    真正的广告是为了让洗的衣服真正干净。因此,一名黑人被放入他们品牌的洗衣机/肥皂中,结果他变得更白——意味着更干净。

  198. annamaria 说:
    @Chinaman

    对于正义的科维努斯来说,这是当之无愧的。

  199. @Chinaman

    如果你和你的母亲现在相信,当香港被入侵或只是被中国大陆共产主义国家慢慢地重新吸收时,你母亲在毛泽东时代所经历的事情(或更糟的情况)不会再次发生,那么:

    1]你妈妈现在是一个彻底被洗脑的傻瓜,而且……

    2]..你似乎追随了她被洗脑的脚步🙂

    中国政府正式承认在毛泽东的“光荣”革命中杀害了一亿本国公民,天哪。

    我建议你们都读一本正版的、授权的(现在有很多假版本)奥威尔的《1984》,以了解香港现在的情况。这是所有极权主义者的“如何做”指南:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four

    你们现在能做的最好的事情就是在事情真正发生之前离开香港。

    但作为那些认为“这次会有所不同”的被洗脑的傻瓜,你可能不会。因此,在我看来,你们俩都完全配得上你们的命运,因为:

    “不从历史中汲取教训的人注定要重蹈覆辙”

    独生子女

    • 不同意: d dan
  200. “中国大规模拘禁维吾尔人是‘现代文化灭绝’:

    [更多]

    “在中国西部,记者、前囚犯和美国政府所说的‘集中营’——或者中国政府所说的‘职业培训中心’网络不断扩大。据信,这些地区居住着 1 至 3 万人,可能相当于新疆省穆斯林人口的四分之一。

    在营地外,新疆被维吾尔族居民描述为一个警察国家,中国政府对民众进行全天候监视。传统文化的表现形式已被定为犯罪,目的是在多元文化地区强加中国文化的统一。

    新疆面积相当于阿拉斯加,拥有23万人口,其中45%是维吾尔族,他们与中亚文化有着密切的认同。其余的大部分是汉族,他们是中国大陆的主要民族。

    政府官员最初否认营地的存在。面对来自卫星摄影、目击者证词和共产党内部文件的大量证据,北京最终被迫承认它们的存在。

    官员们现在表示,这些营地对于打击伊斯兰恐怖主义和平息暴力分裂主义运动是必要的——例如2009年导致200人死亡的维吾尔骚乱,其中大部分是汉族人,以及东突厥斯坦伊斯兰运动在天安门广场中心发动的恐怖袭击,导致五人死亡。党的官员将培训中心描述为脱贫之路,旨在教授缝纫和阅读等基本技能......”:

    请参阅:中国对维吾尔人的大规模拘禁是“现代文化种族灭绝”:
    https://reason.com/video/uighurs-china/

    此致onebornfree

    • 回复: @denk
    , @denk
  201. @Corvinus

    我也想要自由,现在可以拥有自己的王国了吗?

    天啊,人有时候真是可笑。

    • 回复: @Corvinus
  202. @Half-Jap

    我个人用及膝长裤和及膝 T 恤来区分黑人和真正的黑人。它运作得很好。

  203. @TKK

    不是想为中国政府辩解,但你知道中国和朝鲜有血缘联盟吗?您为什么对中国归还被抓获的人感到如此惊讶?

  204. Rurik 说:
    @Half-Jap

    我的一位黑人朋友曾经向我解释说,有黑人,也有黑鬼。看来一个人成为黑鬼的因素不仅仅是肤色,还有他的行为方式。很有趣。

    当然,就像有白人和假发者一样

    但当有人说“wigger”时,没有人会失去膀胱。

    或者是没牙的乡巴佬失败者。因为这些事情都是政治正确的。

    但要说‘黑鬼’

    (相信我,那些迷人的杯子确实是 黑奴.)

    就在这时,一些星巴克爱哭鬼、雪花、SJW 会因为你使用了这个描述性的词而尖叫着该死的谋杀(同时非常小心地掩盖) 为什么 那些黑鬼应该被称为黑鬼)。

  205. @onebornfree

    onebornfree说: “你们俩现在能做的最好的事情就是在事情真正发生之前离开香港。但作为被洗脑的傻瓜,他们认为“这次会有所不同”,你可能不会。所以,在我看来,你们俩都完全配得上你们的命运。”

    如果你既天真又被洗脑,认为因为你支持中共,你就可以免遭同样天真的年轻抗议者的命运,那么你就特别应得的命运;我也强烈鼓励他们:“在事情真正发生之前”“滚蛋”香港,事实上,现在,“采取任何必要的手段”[即“合法”或“非法” ,例如。贿赂,伪造文件等],在为时已晚之前,而不是留下来为“自由”或“民主”或他们都幻想的其他东西而战。

    不会有任何怜悯。 “如果你想要一幅未来的图景,想象一下一只靴子永远踩在人脸上。”乔治·奥威尔《1984》 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984

    “问候”,长生不老

    • 回复: @Commentator Mike
  206. annamaria 说:
    @onebornfree

    听起来像是中央情报局批准的矮子。您对纽兰在乌克兰的功绩感到高兴吗?对塞尔维亚、利比亚和叙利亚的“人道主义干预”怎么样?
    根据“onebornfree”(?)的说法,NED 和其他“民主斗士”不会做错事。

  207. Rurik 说:
    @ThreeCranes

    我们伟大的欧洲思想史,我们在哲学、艺术、社会科学、神话和宗教方面无与伦比的文化成就和遗产。

    嗯,我想远东,甚至中东的人也能与西方的成就相媲美,但作为一个西方人,我承认在对待西方时存在一定的沙文主义。当然,西方最近的技术奇迹是无与伦比的。但是,除了某种(我认为可以理解的)沙文主义之外,我也确实尊重非西方文明和人民的伟大。日本人、中国人和其他东亚人、波斯人和巴比伦人,以及许许多多其他人……

    从某种意义上说,我们美国人已经成为孤儿、被孤立和被剥夺了

    并且是故意这样的。

    我认为更多的英国年轻人知道马丁·路德·金或纳尔逊·曼德拉,而不是知道“狮心王”理查德或拉迪亚德·吉卜林。

    即使在乌兹别克斯坦,我也曾就对我们遗产的蓄意破坏进行过有趣的讨论,每当文物或知识与我们现政权的叙述背道而驰时。

    即使在今天,在像瑞典这样的地方,这种情况仍在发生,

    亚历山大图书馆被烧毁——西方文明最大的悲剧。一想到我们所拥有的希腊人只是冰山一角就足以让人哭泣。

    太对了,三鹤。一切都太真实了。

  208. @onebornfree

    至少我们很快就会知道你的预测是否正确。或者可能不是。如果无论发生什么,一批人说没有发生任何重大事件,或者可能进行了一些必要的再教育,而另一批人则声称 x – xx,xxxs 被杀害、监禁、折磨、送往集中营。我真的不在乎,因为无论谁在任何争端中获胜,都会有中国人,无论有多少人消失……好吧,剩下的人会绰绰有余。但我不希望更多的流亡者、难民、移民到其他地方。我们应该更多地担心靴子踩在我们头上,这将来自同一来源,促使那些香港孩子去做不可能的事情,打倒中华人民共和国。

    • 回复: @Parfois1
  209. Chinaman 说:
    @onebornfree

    天安门事件发生时我十岁,我记得在电视上看过坦克。

    这对你这样的键盘侠来说是难以理解的,但几乎每个香港人都在中共统治下失去了亲人,无论是在文化大革命期间,还是在六十年代的大跃进期间。我从小就憎恨中共,认为他们是万恶之源。

    作为一个中国人,我比你们更了解中共及其罪行。

    事实上,抗议者和他们的滑稽行为,比如亵渎对手的家人坟墓、封锁道路、骚扰街上敢于质疑自己信仰的人,完全是中共的伎俩。我们称他们为黄卫兵。这类行为可能有遗传倾向。

    读了你天真的帖子,我想我一定已经足够大了,可以当你的爸爸了。我在给我年幼的孩子(10岁以下)的一封长信中写下了以下内容,因为我去年病得很重,需要整理好我的事务。你得先读一下。

    “在任何时间和历史上的任何时刻,在每个国家和文化中,都有 20-49% 的人对政府不满意并希望政权更迭。另外51%的人也不满意,但他们会出于对意识形态对手(种族、宗教、社会经济路线)的怨恨,本能地支持现有政权,即使他们不明白争论或大惊小怪的原因是什么。在这个星球上行走过的人类中,95-99% 的人在去世时对自己的治理方式不满意,除非他们将自己的意志强加于他人,或者属于收入分配的前 5%。

    社会总是在民主与独裁这两个政治极端之间摇摆不定。一种会产生另一种。当人们厌倦了民主,因为它不能解决任何现实世界的问题时,人们会要求一个“强有力的领导者”。当独裁者开始践踏他们的权利或让国家走上危险的道路时,人民就会站起来呼喊民主。中共、左派、右派、自由主义者、民主主义者、独裁者、资产阶级、法西斯、民族主义者都是毫无意义的标签,反映了我们的启发式偏见以及人类以非黑即白、对与错、我们与他们来看待世界的倾向。我早已看清政治的无用性和闹剧。睁开你的眼睛,看看世界上所有的民主国家——它们对你来说是天堂和乌托邦,还是更像是处于自相残杀、核心正在缓慢腐烂的政权?

    有人曾调侃道:“在民主美国,政党变了,政策不变;而在共产主义中国,政党不变,政策变了。”对中国来说重要的是真正的进步、登月和GDP增长。不存在完美的政治制度 实用主义和两害相权取其轻才是我们需要应对的。 ”

    顺便说一句,我的 Kindle 上有《1984》,当我听到五角大楼谈论“通过力量实现和平”时,它让我想起“战争就是和平”。当我听到“美国民主”时,它让我想起“自由就是奴隶制”……

    当我读到你的帖子时……它让我想起了“无知就是力量”。

    我不知道谁在这里被洗脑。

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  210. Corvinus 说:
    @Astuteobservor II

    “我也想要自由,现在可以拥有自己的王国了吗?”

    这不是关于你,而是关于一群被征服的人。他们只是想要自治。你为什么反对自由?

    “天啊,人有时候真是太可笑了。”

    儿子,照照镜子吧。

    • 回复: @Astuteobservor II
  211. “真正的广告是为了让洗的衣服真正干净。因此,一名黑人被放入他们品牌的洗衣机/肥皂中,结果他变得更白——意味着更干净。”

    笑。

    你的评论不言而喻。不幸的是,我认为你不明白它对你的描述。

    就连中国人也明白了其中的含义——

  212. denk 说:
    @Corvinus

    “粗暴的方式”

    你为什么不在华盛顿尝试那些特技呢,……
    燃烧瓶、砖头、火灾、袭击警察、洗劫法院和警察局……如果你有的话 科琼斯 !

    “此外,我支持自由”

    我是耶稣基督!

    • 同意: Beefcake the Mighty
    • 回复: @Corvinus
  213. 中国人 说: “……在民主美国,政党会改变,但政策不会改变,而在共产主义中国,政党不会改变,但政策会改变。”

    你是妄想症。直言不讳——只是另一个“有用的白痴”。

    如今的中国与美国没有什么不同。与美国一样(可悲的是),中国真正的基本政策(即对人口的全面控制)并没有改变。就他们在中国的表现而言,这是一种人为的幻觉,一种蓄意的捏造,一个弥天大谎,一种必要的肤浅,仅此而已。

    中国人 说: “对中国来说重要的是真正的进步、登月和 GDP 增长。 ”

    中国没有真正的进步,这是一种幻想(就像现在的美国一样)。中国并没有像美国那样“登上月球”(这都是假的)。至于中国的GDP,任何真正深入研究过这些数字的人都已经充分意识到,就像美国一样,这些数字完全是为了政治利益而造假/操纵的。

    这就是:[无论是在美国还是中国[或其他地方]]通过中央银行创造假货币,以及政府随后的支出不能创造真正的财富,而只能创造真正财富的表面的、暂时的幻象。

    中国人 说: “顺便说一句,我的 Kindle 上有《1984》,当我听到五角大楼谈论“通过力量实现和平”时,它让我想起了“战争就是和平”。当我听到“美国民主”时,它让我想起“自由就是奴隶制”……=

    你在这里想暗示什么?我支持美国政府、五角大楼等人的政策?或者我是中央情报局,就像这里的其他一些笨蛋,就像训练有素的海豹一样,本能地假设?

    中国人 说: “当我读到你的帖子时......它让我想起了“无知就是力量”。我不知道这里是谁被洗脑了。”

    好吧,如果你的 Kindle 上有《1984》,我建议你要么实际阅读它[如果你还没有],要么非常仔细地重新阅读它[如果你已经“阅读”过它],因为显然, if 事实上你确实读过它,但并没有留下太多印象。

    但话又说回来,我对[又一个]被洗脑的共产主义幻想家和辩护者有何期望。

    我想如果你觉得需要一个“好”借口,你可以为此责怪你的母亲。

    就这样………………..

    不用了,无生子

    • 回复: @Chinaman
    , @denk
  214. denk 说:
    @Ronnie

    特朗普、蓬佩奥、博尔顿、麦凯恩、卢比奥、佩洛西、
    彭斯、班农……真是个流氓画廊!

    他们不妨将其纳入工作要求中……
    只有精神病患者需要申请!

  215. denk 说:

    HK 的麻烦,,,,……三个字母的词……
    它的 沃格斯 !

    现在有充分证据表明,英美是香港事件的幕后黑手。当香港大律师公会加入抗议活动时,西方声称连律师都支持抗议活动,试图为人民伸张正义。但该协会的领导者要么都是英国律师,要么是伦敦律师事务所的成员,例如 吉米 陈先生是所谓“人权民权阵线”的负责人,该组织成立于 2002 年,其目标是让香港脱离中国,例如 凯文 林是另一家伦敦律师事务所的合伙人,以及 Steve (史蒂夫) 郭和 阿尔文 反华公民党成员杨先生将于下周与美国官员会面。郭先生在其他访问中呼吁香港独立,其中一些访问是由美国国家安全委员会赞助的,并呼吁美国援引其《香港政策法案》,该法案除其他外,授权美国总统发布命令中止其香港政策。在贸易事务上将香港视为一个单独的领土。此举的影响将损害中国的整体贸易,因为其大部分收入来自香港。如果总统认为香港“不够自治,不足以证明其与中国分开对待”,则可以援引该法案。

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/08/no_author/china-and-the-zombies-of-the-past/

  216. Corvinus 说:
    @Chinaman

    “黑人抗议者不代表我和大多数香港人。”

    

抗议者为一大批受迫害的人发声。

    “谢谢你们,香港人民不需要获得自由,因为我们从一开始就没有被奴役过”

    事实上,香港被“奴役”,因为英国人控制了该地区的自然资源。那些试图摆脱大英帝国统治的当地人很快就被镇压了。

    “你们白人对中共的了解超出你们的想象吗???”

    不是想象。书籍、杂志和学术文章教育群众了解中国共产主义的利弊。

    “她几乎有充分的理由憎恨中共,但她看到了政府如何从错误中吸取教训,如何在800年内让40亿人摆脱贫困,她惊讶于她年轻时离开的家乡如何发展,生活质量得到改善。”

    正确的。当她靠武力赚来的家产被夺走,自己的丈夫被残酷对待后,她会意识到中国共产主义是福音,而不是祸害。考虑到政府对经济的控制以及有限的自由,这种情况很有可能发生,但可能性不大。

    “在我采访过的数百名不同社会经济阶层的人中,80% 的人不支持抗议活动。 90%的人只想继续他们的生活。”

    嗯,我的两个香港朋友亲自与数千名政治、经济、社会各个领域的人士进行了交谈,他们的心态是希望摆脱中国全球化的束缚。

    “税收就是奴隶制,就这样”。

    事实上,确保一个国家的经济成功和内部稳定必然是邪恶的。它能够建设基础设施和提供服务。

    “任何中国人最不需要的就是更多的意识形态或某些白人发明的某种模糊的“自由”概念。”

    也许。 再说一次,也许不是。

    • 回复: @Chinaman
    , @Malla
  217. Chinaman 说:
    @onebornfree

    可能是你对各种阴谋论和文学的关注让你的头脑短路了,这就是为什么你似乎不明白我的意思。我将尝试在这里为您拼写出来。

    在所有国家中,拒绝为自己的问题承担个人责任的人都喜欢将世界上所有错误的事情归咎于政府。事实上,你认为中国存在的大多数社会和经济问题与中国政府无关。你口口声声痛恨的中共极权主义,从来没有对你做过任何错事,只不过是中国两千多年文化的反映。

    一直都是这样……人民值得拥有他们的政府。

    打倒中共,把政府改成自由民主政府,并不能解决任何社会问题。腐败、残酷甚至审查制度都不会消失。我们可能会遇到一个希特勒,或者像特朗普这样为了自己的利益而煽动群众热情的煽动家,而不是毛泽东。很快你就会成为一个民主\法西斯独裁者。

    如果你没有注意到的话,任何一次政权更迭都没有给人们的生活带来任何改善。把你的头脑从书本中拿出来观察一下,伊拉克或乌克兰解放后会更好吗?一段时间后它就会恢复到自然状态。

    事物之所以会变成这样,原因有很多。世界是一个复杂的地方,你不能天真地归因于因果关系(因为我妈妈认为中共让 800 亿人摆脱了贫困……这不是事实)对 1984 年进行精神自慰并不能帮助你了解真正的情况世界。

    现实世界从来不像小说中那样黑白分明,你可以立即辨别出好人和坏人。长大。

  218. Chinaman 说:
    @Corvinus

    正确的。当她靠武力赚来的家产被夺走,自己的丈夫被残酷对待后,她会意识到中国共产主义是福祉,而不是祸害。考虑到政府对经济的控制以及有限的自由,这种情况很有可能发生,但可能性不大。

    我就针对这一点做出回应。中国共产党不是毛泽东时代的中国共产党,也不是邓小平时代的中国共产党。这就是我母亲告诉我的……德国政府现在和纳粹是同一政府吗?你只能从书本和杂志上读到,我妈妈也经历过,所以我想我相信她能区分出来。

    它仍然具有相同的名称,但它绝对不是commie。中国拥有世界上最具活力的资本主义经济,共产党员也是中国最富有的人。我想你可以说这是一种裙带社会主义。到

    我的母亲是一位谦虚务实的女士,没有受过多少正规教育,所以我们不能将她与像您这样一位有远见、开明的自由斗士相比较,她自慰地想着用键盘解放 1.4 亿中国人。

    她支持现任政府(无论它的名字是什么),因为她确实看到了人们生活的改善。你是甘地的现代转世,所以你不会明白这一点——大多数人更喜欢面包而不是自由——

    • 同意: Ron Unz
    • 回复: @d dan
    , @onebornfree
    , @Corvinus
  219. d dan 说:
    @Chinaman

    雄辩地说。

    但是,但是,但是,……那些“聪明”的非中国人,比如@Corvinus或@onebornfree,坐在远离中国的电脑前,他们很可能讨厌中国制造,认为他们比你的母亲更了解文化大革命的邪恶(因为她经历过)是的,他们没有),认为他们比你更了解中国(因为你是中国人,他们不是),认为他们知道中国应该有什么样的政府(因为这是你的政府,不是他们的),认为他们更有动力为中国人民谋福利(因为这影响的是你,而不是他们)。他们甚至会建议您读什么书以及应该住在哪里。

    从他们的评论来看,他们可能认为自己也比你更开明、更聪明。

    • 同意: Chinaman
    • 回复: @Corvinus
  220. @Chinaman

    中国人 说: “中国拥有世界上最具活力的资本主义经济,共产党员是中国最富有的人。”

    你所描述的是共产主义,而不是资本主义。共产主义是一种旨在窃取国家财富并将其全部转移给内部精英的制度——巧合的是,这正是你所承认的中国的情况。 🙂 .

    资本主义则相反。在资本主义制度下,财富的实际创造者可以保留财富,而不会被政府中毫无价值的寄生虫用枪没收,“为了[假定的]每个人的利益”,[但实际上只是为了致富]他们自己]。

    引用加里·艾伦的话:

    “如果人们理解社会主义不是“分享财富”计划,而是实际上是巩固和控制财富的一种方法,那么超级富翁提倡社会主义的看似悖论根本就不会成为悖论。 相反,它变得合乎逻辑,甚至是寻求权力的完美工具。 共产主义,或者更确切地说是社会主义,不是被压倒群众的运动,而是经济精英的运动。” 来自:“没人敢称之为阴谋”-加里·艾伦


    “当掠夺成为生活在社会中的一群人的一种生活方式时,他们会随着时间的推移为自己创造一个授权它的法律体系和一个美化它的道德准则。”
    弗雷德里克·巴斯蒂亚(Frederic Bastiat)

    可以预见的是,翁兹先生本人也同意你的“合理征用”胡言乱语,认为你在某种程度上是“资本主义”的。可悲的是,鉴于他不断在这里发表大量亲共产主义、大政府、“政府救援”、毫无价值的谩骂,我并不是没有预见到这一点。

    就这样……🙁。

    不用了,无生子

    • 回复: @annamaria
    , @Biff
  221. Malla 说:
    @Corvinus

    事实上,香港被“奴役”,因为英国人控制了该地区的自然资源。那些试图摆脱大英帝国统治的当地人很快就被镇压了。

    你们对殖民主义的胡言乱语永远不会结束。英国统治下的香港如果想摆脱困境,可以越过边境去中华人民共和国的共产主义“天堂”,甚至是中华人民共和国之前的清朝中国。但有趣的是,大多数中国人都跑到香港,在“共产主义天堂”的邪恶YT下生活。

    • 回复: @Corvinus
  222. 北京镇压香港的工具箱:

    “中国共产党打赌不需要派遣坦克来结束叛乱。这里有警察、监视,甚至正在建设一个替代的“国际城市”……”

    “……中共知道自己无法赢得香港的民心,而坦克和军队只会加剧意识形态分歧,因此它正在考虑取消香港作为中国主要金融渠道的地位。北京国务院于八月中旬悄悄发表了一份文件,提议深圳成为国际城市,并取代香港。该文件提到,深圳将成为中国第一个拥有“公平公正的民主法治环境”的城市,并暗示深圳而不是香港将进行政治改革,具体内容尚未确定,但可能包括某种民主成分。北京的策略是吸引跨国公司将其亚太总部迁往边境以北(尽管人们担心任何对企业有利的条件可能会在出现后很快消失)。

    香港警察和雇佣的暴徒充当中共在街头的打手,挤压大企业,偶尔发出经济崩溃的警告,北京肯定相信香港的黑衫军正在慢慢被烧毁。

    其他措施也在使用中。香港现任行政长官林郑月娥周二向新闻界发表声明,暗示她可以援引殖民时代的法律,赋予自己授权逮捕、关闭电信、审查媒体、扣押财产以及修改或颁布法律的权力。如果该城市陷入紧急状态。换句话说,林郑月娥不准备让香港人民权衡他们的要求,而是准备削减香港与中共统治下的中国大陆不同的许多品质——相对自由的新闻、不受审查的互联网、对个人财产的保护,以及其他权利……”: 北京镇压香港的工具箱:
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-beijings-toolbox-to-crush-hong-kong-3

    除此之外: “中国大陆潜入香港抗议活动——支持事业。”:
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/mainland-chinese-sneak-into-hong-kongs-proteststo-support-the-cause-11566986403

    此致onebornfree

  223. Corvinus 说:
    @Chinaman

    “中国拥有世界上最具活力的资本主义经济,共产党员是中国最富有的人。我想你可以说这是一种裙带社会主义。”

    你在这里胡言乱语。到底是“充满活力的资本主义经济”还是“裙带关系社会主义”?这里精美的海报给我的印象是,任何社会主义对于一个文明来说都是不可取的。国家(中国)指导和指导经济的所有主要方面——包括国有部门和私营部门——但不从其企业所有权中收取红利。中国国有企业和私营企业在国家补贴、接近国家权力、执行政府政策目标等方面有一些共同特征。然而,重点是政府控制而不是资产所有权。对于美国人和其他私人投资者来说,中国人违反了公开竞争和公平的准则。

    无论中国的金融形势如何,它都是通过破坏环境、窃取商业机密、制造仿制品以及像红发继子皮纳塔一样对待工人来实现繁荣和财富的。

    “你是甘地的现代转世,所以你不会明白这一点——大多数人更喜欢面包而不是自由”

    如果没有这种自由,你就无法获得面包。再试一次。

    “她支持现任政府(无论它的名字是什么),因为她实际上看到了人们生活的改善。”

    公民的总体成本是多少?

    “像你这样开明的自由斗士,自慰地想着用键盘解放 1.4 亿中国人。”

    那对你来说就是一个稻草人。我从未直接或间接说过这样的话。

    我注意到,具有讽刺意味的是,这里的一些优秀海报宣扬美国白人的自决和结社自由,反对全球主义政权(联邦政府),却支持中国,中国推行全球主义,一心要征服一群寻求自决和结社自由的人。

    • 回复: @Chinaman
  224. Corvinus 说:
    @Malla

    “你们对殖民主义的胡言乱语永远不会结束。”

    不是在这里咆哮,只是提供见解和观点。你应该找个时间尝试一下。

    “但有趣的是,大多数中国人都跑到香港,在‘共产主义天堂’的邪恶YT下生活

    你到底在说什么?哪个中国人?什么时候?有多少人“跑到那里”?提供必要的上下文。

    • 回复: @annamaria
    , @Malla
    , @annamaria
  225. Corvinus 说:
    @d dan

    哈哈。中国人显然是个骗子。不要被东方的犹太人所欺骗。

  226. Corvinus 说:
    @denk

    “你为什么不在华盛顿特区尝试这些特技,……燃烧弹、砖块、火灾、袭击警察、洗劫法院和警察局……如果你有胆量的话!”

    你的意思是殖民者对大英帝国采取的相对相同的行动?从乔治三世的内阁角度来看,美国的事业是一场叛乱。殖民地治安维持者贬低、玷污、羞辱和非人化他们的保皇派邻居。暴民摧毁了海关大楼并袭击了英国官员。

    历史学家阿瑟·M·施莱辛格(Arthur M. Schlesinger)写道:“大规模暴力在导致独立战争的事件的每一个重大转折点上都发挥了主导作用。暴徒恐吓邮票代理商,阻碍《汤森税收法案》的执行,并引发了“波士顿大屠杀”。

    在美国独立课上你睡着了吗?

    • 回复: @denk
  227. annamaria 说:
    @onebornfree

    “考虑到他一直在这里发表大量亲共产主义、大政府、‘政府救援’、毫无价值的谩骂。”

    ——嘿,“生来不自由”,你错过了这篇文章的要点——美国对以色列的征服。如果你是一个如此勇敢和聪明的小伙子(或女士),为什么不解决当地的问题,把你的国家从亡国中解放出来呢?

    有人直截了当地向你解释说,伊拉克、乌克兰、利比亚和叙利亚的“民主前进”和“人道主义”干预对当地民众来说是一场灾难。

    又给你一次了——你的犹太复国主义主人一直在宣扬盗窃和死亡,以提高他们的底线。在大规模宣扬盗窃和死亡的同时,你们的犹太复国主义主子们从来没有不以“民主、自由和人权”的名义宣扬他们的崇高意图。

    伊拉克、乌克兰、利比亚和叙利亚的ZUSA式“民主进军”导致数百万人死亡(其中包括数量惊人的儿童),主要城市和村庄的基础设施遭到破坏,土地受到污染(在一些贫铀地区,导致出生缺陷和各种癌症急剧增加——参见伊拉克的费卢杰)。

    在乌克兰,政府被美国国务院和当地自称为新纳粹分子(Banderites)帮助的犹太阴谋集团夺取。四百万乌克兰人(占人口的 10%)逃离美国建立的政权。

    在曾经繁荣的利比亚,北约和以色列共同努力的成果是奴隶市场的出现和北非曾经辉煌的卫生系统的彻底垮台。

    在叙利亚,基督徒群体几乎被伊斯兰国的“自由战士”消灭,这些战士受到美国/英国/以色列政府/安全部门的资助、武装、保护和指导。

    战争导致大量难民涌入欧洲。

    要么你来这个论坛传播哈斯巴拉,要么你的无知令人难以置信。

    • 回复: @Malla
  228. Igor Bundy 说:

    我的想法很长一段时间反映了这篇文章。 所以很高兴看到其他人将它们付诸文字。 虽然我的尊重对别人来说毫无价值,但它是我待人接物的标准。 许多人认为金钱可以买到尊重,而且在很大程度上确实如此。 除了少数赢得尊重而不是买来的尊重。

  229. @Chinaman

    2000年,当我被邀请在美国发表演讲时,我说“我感谢上帝让美国将世界从民主中拯救出来”。作为一名澳大利亚人,我指的是这样一个事实:如果像澳大利亚那样几乎每个人都投票的话,像澳大利亚这样的民主国家将永远无法采取如此有利于中国经济发展的政策 — — 这对澳大利亚大多数不应得的好运至关重要。 (我将美国描述为“受精英政治调和、在法律框架内并以民主言辞调味的财阀政治”。我想你可能会同意)。但是,即使没有像在香港那样生活在边缘,我也开始担心中国的巨大力量将被如何使用。令人不寒而栗的是,一名无害的华裔澳大利亚人在访问中国时可能会被关押7个月,无法与家人或律师见面,接受审讯,然后受到(仍然模糊的)间谍指控。请注意,澳大利亚人永远不应该被引渡到美国——另一个并非完全不同的主题。还有一些加拿大人被捕只是为了向加拿大施加压力......如果我们听到习主席向中国人民发表讲话,表达中国真正的伟大和尊严,平静地指出,是时候停止抱怨百年屈辱,伟大中国人民的尊严要求了,那我们就放心了。他们没有歪曲过去,但是,如果深入而诚实地思考的话,请考虑一下500年和1000年前的领先文明是如何直到20世纪才达到全世界现在所渴望的现代性的。相反,我们必须将近 1.3 亿人视为与约 330 亿美国人一样无知的民族主义者……

    • 回复: @d dan
    , @Chinaman
  230. Biff 说:
    @Chinaman

    管好你自己的事吧

    我喜欢。说得好。

  231. Malla 说:
    @Priss Factor

    法兰西帝国确实做了很多好事。

    了解阿尔及利亚“独立战争”的真相。

    http://crc-internet.org/our-doctrine/national-restoration/algerian-war/

    欧洲帝国从内部被摧毁。

  232. Biff 说:
    @onebornfree

    你所描述的是共产主义,而不是资本主义。共产主义是一种旨在窃取国家财富并将其全部转移给内部精英的制度——巧合的是,这正是你所承认的中国的情况。 🙂 .

    政府控制企业和企业控制政府有什么区别?

    或者也许,他们有什么共同点?
    暗示: 财富集中、内部精英、裙带关系

    你们这些不断抱怨自己不同“主义”的人很快就会变得乏味——你们的大脑会长大吗?

  233. Seraphim 说:
    @onebornfree

    控制总是胜利。它拥有实现其目标的必要资金(1,4亿对7万,5,000年的历史对“自由”土地上微不足道的200年,计划经济对“自由企业”的混乱,良好的治理对美洲“选举”马戏团)。
    认为中国对香港“绝望”并且其经济正在“崩溃”的想法是彻头彻尾的荒谬(中国人生活得越来越好,变得越来越富有和满足;你不会冒着被挥舞着“自由”的枪射击的风险) ')。
    中国肯定对笨蛋一代的恶作剧感到恼火(谁不会——我当时也在场)。它涉及到更严重的西藏和新疆问题,想象香港的麻烦不仅仅是大象皮肤上的蚊子叮咬。此外,事实证明,“颜色革命”方法论已经无法达到推翻合法政权、建立傀儡政府的预期效果。如果事情发展到了紧要关头(但不会),雨伞就无法抵挡真正的子弹了。

  234. Anonymous[158]• 免责声明 说:
    @Commentator Mike

    事实上,波尔布特杀的人比美国人在越南及此后杀的人少。

    也许是因为你这么说?除了你的意愿之外,没有任何其他东西可以支持这种说法。也许你的意志足以创造历史,也许你可以自己判断。

    剩下的 38% 是谩骂者,62% 是稻草人,这是当人们想要回复他们不喜欢阅读的内容(可能是因为他们同意它)但又真的不知道该回复什么时的标准分布。
    谩骂和稻草人总是不错的选择。

    • 回复: @Commentator Mike
  235. annamaria 说:
    @Corvinus

    科维努斯是一位骑着白马的正义骑手,他需要上下文。这里是: https://www.rt.com/uk/467538-psychological-torture-pilger-assange-prison/

    • 回复: @annamaria
  236. annamaria 说:
    @annamaria

    对于科维努斯和其他正经人来说,比如“生来不自由”,这里有更多内容:
    https://www.mintpressnews.com/dark-secret-behind-british-billionaire-joe-lewis-parallel-state-in-argentina-patagonia/256068/

    超过一个 许多当地人使用了一切可以使用的手段来反对一位亿万富翁将小镇和里奥内格罗大部分地区变成他个人领地的努力。这场斗争已经看到 大规模示威 在埃尔博尔松 (El Bolsón) 与[犹太]英国亿万富翁乔·刘易斯 (Joe Lewis) 对抗,其中一些活动吸引了多达 15,000 名参与者——几乎占该镇总人口的 80%。

    据福布斯估计,刘易斯的身价为 5.2 亿美元,他在西方最出名的是拥有英国托特纳姆热刺足球俱乐部、他在巴哈马和佛罗里达州的庞大豪华庄园和高尔夫度​​假村,以及拥有包括 Puma 运动服和 Vans 鞋在内的知名品牌。

    自 1990 世纪 XNUMX 年代中期以来,刘易斯一直在巴塔哥尼亚建立一个帝国,成为埃尔博尔松以北大片地产的所有者,其中包括该镇几乎所有的水资源储备以及附近农场的水资源。 Mallín Ahogado 社区,以及 Pampa Energía 背后的事实上的电力公司,该公司控制着阿根廷大部分电力生产。 ……

    首先,根据阿根廷法律,以国家安全为由,禁止向外国公民出售刘易斯自 1996 年以来拥有的财产……

    其次,它违反了自 1969 年以来的一项当地法律,该法律将任何个人(阿根廷公民或外国人)可拥有的最大土地面积限制为约 70 公顷(约 172 英亩)。

    第三,它违反了 1994 年通过的省级法律,该法律创建了一个名为 Río Azul Lago Escondido 自然保护区的自然保护区……

    这个故事胜过了香港的“有机”颜色革命。阿根廷人民一直在抗议犹太复国主义者掠夺阿根廷土地 !

    为什么据称热爱自由的男同性恋者对巴塔哥尼亚真正的民主发展完全保持沉默? ——因为犹太复国主义者再次想要其他民族的土地,并且注意到这将是反犹太主义的。人的尊严该死。

    阿根廷加沙隔都的犹太复国主义娱乐:

    超过一个 许多当地人使用了一切可以利用的手段来反对一位[犹太复国主义者]亿万富翁将这座城镇和里奥内格罗大部分地区变成他自己的私人领地的努力。这场斗争在埃尔博尔森 (El Bolsón) 爆发了针对英国亿万富翁乔·刘易斯 (Joe Lewis) 的大规模示威活动,其中一些活动吸引了多达 15,000 名参与者——几乎占该镇总人口的 80%。

  237. annamaria 说:

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/dark-secret-behind-british-billionaire-joe-lewis-parallel-state-in-argentina-patagonia/256068/

    根据前法国情报官员、后来成为记者的蒂埃里·梅桑 (Thierry Meyssan) 的研究,乔·刘易斯 (Joe Lewis)(巴塔哥尼亚原始土地上富有的犹太复国主义者占屋者)每年都会邀请数千名以色列国防军 (IDF) 士兵来到他的领土。

    “自马岛战争以来,以色列军队一直在巴塔哥尼亚为其士兵组织‘度假营’。现在每年有 8,000 到 10,000 人来到乔·刘易斯的土地上度过两周。”

    尽管当地社区进行了长达十年的抗议,但情况还是如此。

    刘易斯先生似乎希望“最有道德的人”先熟悉一下地形,然后再驱逐和屠杀当地人,以获得下一轮“应许之地”。

    以下是巴塔哥尼亚未来加沙犹太人区的最初迹象:“刘易斯的主唱范迪特默表示:“我们将用温彻斯特手中的武器来保卫私有财产;如果需要的话,用血”。 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Lewis_(British_businessman)

    • 回复: @Malla
  238. @Anonymous

    哈哈。在这里你开始研究越南

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties

    并继续经历所有其他美国战争,包括伊拉克、阿富汗等,并且不要忘记添加美军在小格林纳达杀死的任何人。现在,是什么让美国佬有权利在世界各地飞行和航行,想杀谁就杀谁?据估计,自二战以来,波尔布特杀死了 1.5 至 2 万人,而美国则杀死了 20 万人。我确信波尔布特有他杀死这么多人的理由,就像美国人有自己的理由在其他国家的土地上成为大规模杀人犯一样。

  239. denk 说:
    @Corvinus

    少废话孩子!

    “粗暴的方式”

    你想知道[[[他们]]]对关闭机场、瘫痪地铁、纵火、袭击警察、侵入法院和警察局的暴徒做了什么?

    问问乔治叔叔,他应该知道……

    • 回复: @Corvinus
  240. denk 说:
    @onebornfree

    谢谢你的提醒,所以 理由网 又是另一回事 控制的反对派。 😉

  241. denk 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    如果它走路像鸭子,听起来也像鸭子
    并像鸭子一样嘎嘎叫…………。

  242. d dan 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “当一个无害的华裔澳大利亚人被关起来时,真是令人不寒而栗……”

    诚然,中国应该提供更多信息并允许更多人来访,但你在这里过早下结论。澳洲华人和2个加拿大人真的“无害”吗?他们与朱利安·阿桑奇的治疗相比如何?

    奇怪的是,您是否觉得华为首席财务官孟晚舟被捕“令人不寒而栗”? 《美国陷阱》作者弗雷德里克·皮耶鲁奇被捕怎么样?

    坦率地说,我发现后来的两次逮捕比中国的逮捕更令人毛骨悚然和令人不安。至少孟和皮耶鲁奇有全职的非政治工作,专注于自己的生意,但美国航空的全球触角仍然能够将他们拉到世界任何地方。

  243. @Priss Factor

    全部都很棒。你的建议是,香港可以回归中国,就像加州回归墨西哥一样——只需重新占领它即可。

  244. Chinaman 说:
    @Corvinus

    像你这样开明的自由斗士,自慰地想着用键盘解放 1.4 亿中国人。”

    那对你来说就是一个稻草人。我从未直接或间接说过这样的话。

    显然,你在公共场合的精神自慰不仅引起了一群困惑的中国人的注意,也引起了我们的主持人罗恩·乌兹的注意,他的出现使我们的讨论感到荣幸。不幸的是,我的母亲虽然不是一个正经的人,但也不会那么赞同你的公开表演。请保留你的幼稚想法,下次使用爱情娃娃。你可以购买它们 Alibaba.com

    你在这里胡言乱语。到底是“充满活力的资本主义经济”还是“裙带关系社会主义”?这里精美的海报给我的印象是,任何社会主义对于一个文明来说都是不可取的。国家(中国)指导和指导经济的所有主要方面——包括国有部门和私营部门——但不从其企业所有权中收取红利。中国国有企业和私营企业在国家补贴、接近国家权力、执行政府政策目标等方面有一些共同特征。

    你所说的上述矛盾正是我说中国经济有活力的原因。中国经济很难用标签和刻板印象来归类。它是裙带关系、“中国特色社会主义”和自由放任的变色龙。我称之为进化。尝试不同的事情并看看什么能坚持下去的过程。有点像同时具有肺和鳃的过渡性两栖化石。基本上,这是邓小平的进化与毛泽东的革命。只要能抓到老鼠,就不在乎猫的颜色。对于像你这样的雅利安人来说,通过智能设计,很难理解进化是如何运作的以及事情为何如此复杂。通过与妓女交谈,你会比阅读《经济学人》或任何你用来自慰的东西更多地了解中国经济。

    • 回复: @Corvinus
  245. @d dan

    嘿,你,别再谈论我们自由人民犯下的罪行了,这是关于中国及其所有罪行的。

    你的什么主义在这里没有立足之地!谁在乎我们有多糟糕,中国很糟糕,中国很糟糕。

    你的逻辑在这里没有立足之地。

    您应该考虑的唯一方面是抗议者/骚乱者的所有不良行为都是假旗。

    什么,你想尝尝我们的自由炸弹吗?看看那些被我们炸得一团糟的国家,如果你不排队的话,那就是你的未来。

    做一只好贵宾犬,排队。

    仅供参考,中国领导人并不愚蠢。他们知道谁控制着世界英语地区的媒体。当粪便撞上风扇时,不能搭便车。

    • 回复: @annamaria
  246. Chinaman 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    首先我要引用温斯顿·丘吉尔的话,他对中国有一些大胆的计划:

    “我认为我们必须掌控中国人并对他们进行监管。我相信,随着文明国家变得更加强大,它们会变得更加残酷,世界终有一天会不耐烦地忍受随时武装自己并威胁文明国家的野蛮大国的存在。我相信中国的最终分裂——我的意思是最终的。我希望我们今天不必这样做。雅利安人的股票一定会取得胜利。” - 温斯顿·丘吉尔

    不幸的是,中国的最终瓜分将永远掌握在中国人手中。缺乏民族认同是团结的障碍。在大多数人类社会中,进化的单位和利他主义的循环很少超出家庭或大家庭的层面。像德国和日本这样能够超越这些遗传障碍并团结人民的国家,使他们为荣誉和更大的利益做出个人牺牲,将永远超越那些无法克服的国家。其人民的基因同质性程度可能与此有很大关系。我们在那里无能为力。也许中国需要的是希特勒而不是毛泽东。

    与丘吉尔一样,你对统一的中国的恐惧是正确的。新加坡在二战中的投降对白人至上主义者丘吉尔来说是相当震惊的。雅利安人或澳大利亚能否战胜团结在一面旗帜下的黄祸,值得怀疑。

    • 同意: Malla
    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  247. annamaria 说:
    @Astuteobservor II

    虚假旗帜和前进中的民主™ https://www.voltairenet.org/article207320.html

    我们看到抗议活动中最突出的元素——香港独立运动——在新闻发布会中间挥舞着旧殖民旗帜。在利比亚和叙利亚也出现了同样的现象,全国过渡委员会采用了伊德里斯国王和法国托管地叙利亚自由军的旗帜。

  248. Malla 说:
    @annamaria

    谢谢,这很有趣。唉,((他们))正在为自己占领世界上最美丽的原始土地之一。我以前在某个我不记得的地方从巴塔哥尼亚的以色列国防军士兵的不同来源读到过这件事。
    如果发生世界大战/核战争,巴塔哥尼亚可能是最安全的地方之一。

  249. Malla 说:
    @annamaria

    他是对的,你也是对的。共产主义和西式民主都是齐奥精英的武器。

  250. 开始了。对于香港人民来说,这很可能是一件大事的开始,而且非常糟糕,因为计划在下周六举行非常大规模的[现在是非法的]抗议活动。据报道,自周四[100]早上起,数百辆坦克、数千名士兵开始进入香港,进行所谓的“正常的、进出的部队轮换”。 [是的,没错🙁]:

    中国军队进驻香港引发不安

    “有人看到中国军车越过边境进入香港,军方称这是定期的部队调动,人们越来越担心在经历了数月的政治动荡后,香港可能会遭到北京领导的镇压。

    周四凌晨目击者报道了此次行动后,官方通讯社新华社发布了一篇报道,称中国人民解放军驻香港部队正在按计划进行轮换,这是“年度例行公事” ”。

    新华社发布的图片显示,装甲车和卡车在边境运载部队,一艘海军舰艇抵达香港。

    官方媒体报道指出,在2017年和2018年的前两次轮换中,部队和装备的数量没有变化。今年的报告没有包含这一细节。据估计,边境两侧的驻军人数在 8,000 至 10,000 人之间。

    这些运动发生在计划于周六举行的大规模反政府示威之前,此时香港的大规模抗议活动已接近第三个月。周四,示威活动的组织者民间人权阵线收到通知,警方已禁止该活动……”:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/29/chinese-troop-movement-into-hong-kong-prompts-unease

    关于onebornfree

    • 回复: @Chinaman
  251. @d dan

    我没有时间详细讨论,但对你的观点表示同情。

    朱利安阿桑奇案件比大多数案件更为复杂。我不确定美国、瑞典、英国、澳大利亚和厄瓜多尔政府/当局的行为是否应该同样受到谴责……

    一个真正强大、难以施加压力的政府所做的事情本质上更令人不寒而栗,因为对个人免受难以忍受的情况的保护很少。连中国的康拉德·布莱克(Conrad Black)也被关在度假营之类的地方吗?尽管如此,引渡必须算作美国的罪行,与极权主义者的预期相当……

    • 回复: @d dan
  252. 中国人民解放军进入香港:

    此致onebornfree

  253. @Chinaman

    我不认为我提出了澳大利亚“战胜”统一的中国的任何前景。我只是希望澳大利亚能够生活在一个人口众多、实力强大的国家不希望任何比澳大利亚人口多得多的国家主宰的环境中。因此,我希望中国、日本、印度尼西亚和印度都看到让澳大利亚成为一个无害的采石场和饭碗的好处,欢迎游客和学生。就亚洲国家仍然存在人口过剩问题而言,他们会认识到澳大利亚不能被视为提供解决方案,因为其大部分土壤贫瘠且缺水。

    我从未见过丘吉尔的名言。但自从约翰·德比郡向我介绍以来,我经常重新引用达尔文的表弟弗朗西斯·高尔顿爵士 1864 年 19 月写给《泰晤士报》的信,信的标题是“中国人的非洲”。我期待着澳大利亚的中国移民(尤其是但不仅限于)侨民,即使他们不是进入中国顶尖大学的顶尖知识分子,以加强当今管理良好和繁荣的澳大利亚。虽然1世纪蓬勃发展的盎格鲁-凯尔特移民的后代不可避免地会包括许多对亚洲移民及其问题怀有怨恨的反对者,但我对在移民有利的情况下可以维持的稳定和繁荣持谦虚的乐观态度。国民智商高,勤奋,不狂热地信仰宗教。尽管印度人的数量几乎相等(大约一百万),但他们并不像中国人那么富裕,但我认为他们大多是婆罗门或其他不愚蠢的人,这抵消了中国人过度影响力的任何趋势。如果幸运的话,澳大利亚将成为一个成功的自由资本主义现代福利国家,种族无关紧要。对于大多数受过教育的上层阶级来说这不是问题,所以我看到相对暗淡的事物不太重要并不重要。令人有点担忧的是,澳大利亚的教育系统最近在某些措施上表现不佳。我不确定原因或是否重要。

    • 哈哈: Malla
    • 回复: @Malla
  254. 线索显示中国在香港“轮换驻军”是为大陆入侵做准备

    “有些人将单向部队调动称为“轮换”。我倾向于称其为“积累”或简称为“入侵”——海曼资本的凯尔·巴斯写道。尽管中国军方官员和官方媒体仍声称“这里没什么可看的”,因为自周四凌晨以来,新的中国人民解放军(PLA)军队和装甲车不断涌入香港,但这些涌入可能标志着迫在眉睫的早期阶段许多人担心北京的大规模军事镇压。

    正如我们之前报道的那样,虽然《人民日报》和其他官方媒体表示,这是中国人民解放军驻香港部队第 22 次年度例行轮换的一部分——考虑到解放军驻港部队的驻军数量,这是一项通常意义重大的后勤壮举。边境两侧分别有 8,000 人和 10,000 名士兵——有明显的令人震惊的迹象,中国军队正在专门为防暴和镇压行动做准备。 ……”

    “……官方媒体镜头似乎显示 WJ-03B 6X6 防暴轮式装甲车(WZ901 装甲车的变型或升级版)驶入香港。

    这些车辆是专门为人民武装警察(PAP)的防暴和内部安全任务而设计的,这正是人们所期望的,如果大陆正在准备镇压香港民主抗议活动的话。作为香港驻军部队周转的一部分涌入的众多运兵车辆中,绝非普通或“常规”运兵车辆……”:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-29/signs-chinas-garrison-rotation-hk-actually-preparation-major-crackdown.

    此致onebornfree

  255. Malla 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    如果幸运的话,澳大利亚将成为一个成功的自由资本主义现代福利国家 种族无关紧要的地方。

    祝你好运。

  256. Chinaman 说:
    @onebornfree

    这个周末是我女儿的 8 岁生日,我们将在我从亿万富翁朋友那里借来的一艘游艇上庆祝。我很期待,希望天气会好。我一点也不担心坦克和人​​肉饼的前景。

    空气中确实弥漫着令人兴奋的气氛,就像你一样,我迫不及待地想看到这一奇观。我邀请你和你的同类前来声援香港,捍卫你对自由的任何错误定义。

    我将第一个站在坦克上,挥舞着中国国旗,用我的解放军的呼吸唱着中国国歌,为像你和科维努斯这样挡在我们面前的“自由”战士做人肉饼。

    我等不及要解放了。

    我迫不及待地盼望“一国一制”,盼望香港纳入大湾区。香港的问题大多是由于英国殖民制度的残余和香港寡头亿万富翁家族的影响太大造成的。

    我迫不及待地想把所有第五列都打包回去,无论他们来自哪里。我厌倦了道貌岸然的武断、傲慢的姿态和无耻的虚伪。

    • 回复: @onebornfree
  257. Corvinus 说:
    @denk

    适当地注意到你在高中课堂上关于独立战争的讨论中显然是如何打瞌睡的。

  258. Corvinus 说:
    @Chinaman

    诉诸人身攻击,而不是诚实地解决我向你提出的矛盾,这是一个明显的迹象,表明你不是来自中国。中国男人是有尊严的,不会有你所表现出的粗鲁行为。

  259. @Chinaman

    你就是人类的排泄物,就像共产主义的其他污物一样。我希望你们所有天真的傻瓜都能得到你们应得的。腐烂在地狱里,败类

    不用了,无生子

    • 回复: @denk
    , @Goldie
  260. Justsaying 说:

    所有关于香港抗议活动的喧嚣和呼声都是好的,但都是出于险恶的原因:对过去殖民和帝国荣耀的渴望。这与阿拉伯之春有一些相似之处,当时对AS运动的支持是有选择性的,任何表明AS的成功将引导这些国家走向更大独立的迹象都会遭到痛苦的死亡,后AS时代比以前更糟。除此之外,除了黄背心运动似乎在原地踏步的法国之外,在香港或法国发生的事情在美国有可能发生吗?我想不是。是因为美国的春天——实际上是一场革命——将我们从英国犹太复国主义的束缚中解放出来的时机还不成熟吗?离得很远。我们发动革命的时机比马拉维、斐济、埃及、肯尼亚、洪都拉斯、危地马拉、以色列、巴西、阿根廷和英国等国家的总和还要成熟。但我们沉迷于手机的公民需要真正的觉醒才能让这场革命成为梦想。

  261. denk 说:
    @onebornfree

    天生的欺诈,

    “政府是人类的祸害。
    他们中没有一个是值得信任的”

    据美国政府、WARsj、GUardian 称,中共正在押注 1-3 万维吾尔人被关进集中营。

    UNZ 居民 无政府主义者 所有政府发誓, 叔叔骗局!
    ROFLMAO!

    “据 Zerohedge 报道,中国已准备好派出暴徒、坦克等等”

    我们已经知道 0hedge 是 控制的反对派。
    你和你的金主肯定对一场大屠杀垂涎欲滴吧?
    这不是你的梦遗吗……TAM2, 真正的交易 ?

    • 回复: @Onebornfree
  262. d dan 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    1. 我对你原来的帖子的反对是你自动假设中国政府正在肆意逮捕无辜者(澳大利亚华人和两名加拿大人)。像大多数西方人一样,你甚至没有了解案件的细节就草率下结论。

    2. 另一个例子是最近英国领事馆一名雇员因卖淫被捕而引起的愤怒。它表明西方的反应几乎就像巴甫洛夫的狗一样。即使真相大白后,西方仍然死不悔改,比如有的(如彭博社、纽约时报)暗示该员工可能是被陷害的。加拿大驻香港领事馆甚至建议员工不要前往内地。中国人立即看到了西方完全没有注意到的搞笑讽刺——加拿大人公开承认他们的雇员有嫖娼倾向,因此担心他们可能被逮捕吗?

    3. 你的说法:“一个真正强大、难以施加压力的政府所做的事情本质上更令人不寒而栗……”揭示了另一种肤浅的观点:

    3a.是什么让您认为美国政府比中国政府更容易受到压力?如果说有什么不同的话,那就是美国政府已经证明,即使大多数公民要求这样做,它也顽固地无法进行自我改革或改变政策——比如它在世界各地的永久战争、警察的暴行等等。对中国政府来说,这恰恰是由于不进行选举,政府非常渴望倾听公民的意见。

    3b.是的,中国政府很难通过外部人士施加压力——正是因为外部人士不应该对中国境内发生的问题有任何发言权。

    3c.退一步讲,为什么还要以政府能否受压来判断哪种行为更令人心寒呢?难道你不应该根据哪个政府更容易过度反应(美国政府,考虑到美国囚犯的数量),更有可能诉诸暴力(美国政府,考虑到警察的军事化),还是不太理性(考虑到许多域外法律和过于陈旧的法律,可能是美国政府)。
    -----

    你参与这个讨论,说明你对中国观点的了解和接触程度可能比一般西方人要多,所以你草率的结论只能说明西方人受到的反华洗脑有多深。

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  263. denk 说:
    @onebornfree

    任何仍然相信美国政府及其高压态度的人要么是疯了,要么是傀儡。
    呃……你听起来并不疯狂……

    另类媒体充斥着像你这样的 SP,强制执行 尊重评论的规则……
    中国队和美国蛇队一样糟糕,甚至更糟。

    https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2014/10/15/john-v-walsh-the-rule-for-respectable-commentary/

    人类的排泄物,就像共产主义的其他污物一样。我希望你们所有天真的傻瓜都能得到你们应得的。腐烂在地狱里,败类

    照照镜子 混蛋。
    帝国插座傀儡伪装成某种“进步派”,有人把恶心的袋子递给我。 !

  264. Fergus 说:
    @Priss Factor

    北京应该简单地提出用所有那些华尔街的走狗去美国换取忠实支持他们在北京的主人的优秀同志。 两国都将受益,尤其是所有将亲眼目睹天堂的 Antifa 民众,一旦中国人意识到洋基队向他们倾倒的癌渣,他们无疑将亲身体验。

  265. annamaria 说:

    “香港和美国大胆参与与中国的“破坏稳定战争”:” https://www.globalresearch.ca/hong-kong-and-the-audacity-of-the-u-s-part-of-a-destabilization-war-with-china/5687191

    法国黄背心知道他们在为什么而战。香港抗议者中的大多数人以反对国家、反对北京的虚假借口追随少数领导人。诚然,许多抗议者都是亲西方人士,他们唱着美国国歌,挥舞着英国国旗——前殖民主义者的旗帜。 ……

    抗议活动始于一项“有争议的”引渡法——顺便说一句,该法存在于美国大多数州之间、欧洲国家之间以及很大程度上国际上。

    ……22 岁的学生、2014 年雨伞革命的西方英雄黄之锋 (Joshua Wong),接受了美国国务院 / NED / CIA 的计划和资助的培训。他是当前抗议运动的主要参与者。黄是当地媒体大亨黎智英的亲历者,黎智英在 2014 年的雨伞革命中花费了数百万美元。

    这位寡头广泛使用他的资金来资助抗议领袖和抗议团体。他还创建了自己的国家党,具有明显的仇外色彩。 ……黎智英与特朗普政府关系非常密切,并与他的许多抗议领导人、美国驻香港特使、国家安全顾问约翰·博尔顿以及其他美国官员会面。 8月XNUMX日,黎智英先生在白宫会见美国副总统彭斯。

    臭死了。

    2014 年对于奥巴马/克林顿政府的政权更迭者来说当然是胜利的一年(参见乌克兰)。美国政府公然干涉中国事务,中国和俄罗斯不会忽视。
    大约 40 周以来,法国人一直在努力学习“人权”、“民主”以及民众之声对“西方民主国家领导人”的价值。与欧盟/美国一样,法国也是银行家所有。

  266. @denk

    您是否将这 3 句话中的任何/全部归因于我?如果是这样,那么您只是经常出现在该网站的无价值、寄生、反自由、反资本主义的骗子的又一个光辉例子。和其他的共产主义败类一起在地狱里腐烂吧,你这个撒谎的狗屎。

    不问onebornfree

    • 回复: @Chinaman
    , @denk
  267. Chinaman 说:
    @Onebornfree

    当对方彻底失败时,你就知道你已经赢得了这场争论。

    是时候关闭线程了。

    • 回复: @onebornfree
  268. Smith 说:

    @中国人:
    “对于白人来说,没有什么比看着中国人互相残杀更令人满足的了。 ”
    @中国人:
    “我将第一个站在坦克上,挥舞着中国国旗,用我的解放军的呼吸唱着中国国歌,为像你和科维努斯这样挡在我们面前的“自由”战士做人肉饼。 ”

    白人是对的,中国人是中国人最大的敌人。

    作为越南人,祝香港好运。香港抗议与黄背心/西方的区别在于,香港人有胆量站出来为自己而战,而不是在互联网上发牢骚。

    • 回复: @Chinaman
  269. Chinaman 说:
    @Smith

    白人是对的,中国人是中国人最大的敌人。

    “我将第一个站在坦克上,挥舞着中国国旗,用我的解放军的呼吸唱着中国国歌,为像你和科维努斯这样挡在我们面前的“自由”战士做人肉饼。 ”

    为我的厚颜无耻道歉,但当然,不幸的是,你是对的。中国历史99%都是内战史,而不是外战史。

    除了加大力度之外,我现在看不到任何解决办法。意识形态的狂热已经笼罩了这座城市,克制到了这种地步,只会被视为软弱,让孩子们更加嚣张。

    暴力会引发更多暴力,可能需要表现出决心和压倒性的力量才能结束恶性循环。

    顺便说一句,坦克对人类目标毫无用处,但它们会吓跑孩子们。

    您可能会感兴趣,有传言称支持独立的抗议者不是中国人,而是在英国人离开之前加入香港公民的越南船民的后裔。 (或者您可能已经知道这一点)。显然,这些人在香港有300,000万,他们与美国保持着联系。支持独立阵营中声音最大的人之一是约书亚·王(Joshua Wang),他显然是越南裔。

    这显然可以解释一切,因为这些抗议者实际上不是中国人,以及为什么他们想要“为自己挺身而出”和独立,正如你所说!不管怎样,不要激动,不要太认真地对待我所说的关于坦克或越南第五纵队的事情。这只是互联网。

    我很争执,但我看不到任何值得为之奋斗的事情。没有人在抱怨。

    • 回复: @Smith
  270. Cratylus 说:
    @Dutch Boy

    然而,有一个问题。
    任何人都不能因为在香港不属于犯罪行为而被驱逐出境。
    未经香港法院多层批准,任何人都不能被驱逐出境。
    而且引渡的对象不只是大陆,还有澳门和台湾。
    账单的最初起因是一名香港青年与女友到台湾发现她已怀上别人的身孕。他杀了她,将她剁碎,塞进手提箱,然后逃回香港。当他被发现时,他在香港很安全,无法将他引渡回香港。被害女孩的母亲写信给香港行政长官,提出引渡法案,随后引发了对大陆的偏执情绪引发的抗议活动。
    它还表明,香港人对他们伟大的英国式司法制度没有太大信心。

  271. Smith 说:
    @Chinaman

    我、这只是个恶作剧,兄弟!

    当希科姆幻想着派遣坦克碾压自己的人民时,他大叫起来。

    这是全世界越南人和中国人都可以同意的一件事,即 Chicom 政府应该阻止那些不存在的事情发生。只要香港人为真正正确的事情而努力奋斗,无论他们受到多少中央情报局/克格勃/俄罗斯联邦安全局/摩萨德/犹太人/穆罕默德/越南的指控,他们都会获胜。

  272. Parfois1 说:
    @Commentator Mike

    我们应该更多地担心靴子踩在我们头上,这将来自同一来源,促使那些香港孩子去做不可能的事情,打倒中华人民共和国。

    明智的话。这里持续不断的煽动活动一定是精心策划和资助的混淆计划的产物,旨在混淆事物和思想——这是另一种转移,使不那么隐藏的权力能够继续他们邪恶的掠夺和社会退化政策——zio ——新自由主义联盟踩在我们的头上,他们的愚蠢的步兵被“自由”、“民主”和类似的空洞口号迷惑——尤其是那些认为自己生来“自由”的人。真是一派胡言。

  273. @d dan

    感谢您百忙之中写下该回复。由于只有时间给出最肤浅的答案,我想你可能会误认为我提到的令人毛骨悚然的事情。这是一个近似客观的测试:你不想让你的家人在马来西亚或不丹而不是中国被任意征用吗?

    然后,虽然你的 3b 是正确的,但我不同意事情如此简单,尽管我不是保护义务的狂热爱好者。尝试思考一项原则的全部含义,该原则允许你说“外人不应对中国境内发生的问题发表任何言论”。如果你把它推向极端。

    最后,在没有被我没有听说过的卖淫指控所转移注意力的情况下,我认为人们不需要确定最近发生的澳大利亚华人或加拿大人案件的具体情况,就知道人们应该更害怕中共,而不是害怕中共。美国在域外进行的令人震惊的尝试,在国际海事组织看来,几乎永远不应该允许美国引渡澳大利亚人。但至少律师的钱可以买到一些保护,避免美国违背法治,但这在中国(或其他一些实力较弱、表面上不那么可怕的国家)似乎并非如此。而且,对于澳大利亚人来说,美国并没有设定很高的标准,所以中国使用赤裸裸的力量的能力和意愿确实令人不寒而栗。

    • 回复: @Commentator Mike
    , @d dan
    , @Biff
  274. JHW 说:

    为什么要这么贬低?香港应该有很多人因为这样或那样的原因不喜欢中国政府。自从这个前殖民地成立以来,中国的持不同政见者出于非常实际的原因逃到了这里。这并不意味着他们一定喜欢英国人。即使他们这样做了又怎样?

    为什么这些人不应该害怕被引渡到中国?中国可能不喜欢其中许多人。应该很清楚的是,无论西方为煽动叛乱提供什么帮助,都是有一定诚意的。你让你的政治失控。那么,如果香港华人是英国的代理人,或者肯定愿意生活在英国的统治下呢?人们通常为了在他们所发现的世界中谋生而工作。

    你的论点意味着,如果你不喜欢一个国家,你就有理由谴责所有在该国家幸福生活的人们。并不是每个人都是理想主义者。大多数人在与他们所生活的国家打交道时要务实得多,众所周知,中国人在其悠久的历史中非常务实。

    如果中国政府有权对香港人民表达自己的意志,并强迫他们接受他们不想要的主义和生活,仅仅因为中国现在声称拥有该领土的主权,那么英国当然有权拒绝归还该殖民地它占有并在其时代强加了一种西方生活方式,如果有必要的话,这种生活方式将被强加给所有不情愿的人。显然,它通过武力或说服成功做到了这一点,否则香港就不会得到西方的任何支持。

    根据您自己的说法,主权独立于正式的法律协议或条约,并且可以在任何需要或需要时免除这些协议或条约。重要的是去做这件事的力量。人民都是国家统治的傀儡。

    我认为你根本不关心香港人民,但喜欢中国政府,不喜欢英国政府,所以你对香港人民及其愿望的看法是为了服务于你的偏见。也许,实际上,香港只忠于自己,而不忠于英国或中国,但西方的遗产目前更好地满足了他们的需要。

  275. Chinaman 说:

    我正在观看电视直播的抗议活动,这些孩子向警察投掷汽油弹和使用气枪,或者对不同意他们的无辜者使用暴力

    我心想,这是一个什么样的专制极权邪共政府会容忍这种暴力行为啊!

    如果言论自由和为所欲为的自由是自由的衡量标准,那么香港就是世界上最自由的地方,而美国和西方民主国家就是独裁国家!

    这些来自我的个人收藏,是你永远不会从 MSM 那里看到的真相。

    这是 Unz 的特色菜。

    我会让你们所有人看看这些暴徒到底是什么。我敢说你们中的任何人在看完这些视频后都会说你们支持这些暴徒。

    [更多]

    https://share.icloud.com/photos/0PfuNCrllFNo69cKzc4aTh-4Q

    https://share.icloud.com/photos/0DxJuVPz-wxU2Q5Z0kCZf7bNQ

    https://share.icloud.com/photos/0C9D9lIq2LnAfGBWnMzWHuGug

    反送中清场首度开枪

    【反送中清场首度开枪 |荃湾 |案发经过:荃湾众安街大鸿辉中心外,一名抗议者(片头白衣黑背囊)突然高称“得一部警车”,然后号召多名抗议者,破坏事件正在进行离开现场的警车。警车停下,两名警员落车后「落单」并走至沙咀道的十字路口。其中有警员擎枪,现场传出最少一支枪声响。------- -------【新闻资料库·分类天下事】https://wp.me/PaaypJ-Aw7⬇️更多内容尽在⬇️新传网➜https://www.symedialab.com/IG ➜ http://bit.ly/symligYouTube ➜ http://bit.ly/symlyt

    发布者 Symedialab新传网 于 25 年 2019 月 XNUMX 日(星期日)

    https://share.icloud.com/photos/01Qu4StDHThxUQ9rrqgi_4gBQ

    https://share.icloud.com/photos/0DS_Guds3PMhldEaNxHzcpkzA

    这是你想在你的国家看到的自由吗???

    • 回复: @Smith
  276. Smith 说:

    迫不及待地看到英国的抱怨者抗议活动爆发并大肆抨击“以色列沙米尔”发表了一篇关于光荣的英国人民为留在欧盟而争取独立和民主的文章。

    这都是地缘政治,这里的道德或意识形态为零。

    中国=好,因此香港抗议=坏/中央情报局。
    英国=糟糕,因此英国抗议=好(除非这是支持脱欧的抗议,否则就不好!)

    • 同意: Malla
    • 回复: @Ber
    , @Israel Shamir
  277. Ber 说:
    @Smith

    观看此视频……公平有效的观察。

    • 回复: @annamaria
  278. Smith 说:
    @Chinaman

    噢,那些向持不同政见者用水枪的可怜警察。

    您是否对残害黄背心的警察感到怜悯,是或否?

    • 回复: @Chinaman
  279. denk 说:
    @Onebornfree

    混蛋,

    你是否一有机会就宣扬你对所有政府的蔑视?

    可以

    然后你是否引用了美国政府的连续谎言及其压力作为你的来源?

    可以

    你是一个该死的袜子木偶
    QED。

    PS
    还有什么比袜子木偶更糟糕的呢?
    一个说教的傀儡!

    PS
    像疯狗一样狂吠并不会让你变得更可信。

    呵呵呵呵

    • 回复: @Smith
  280. Smith 说:
    @denk

    你是共产主义犹太人的傀儡吗?

    为什么说共产主义犹太人的坏话会让你如此疯狂?

    美国犹太人 = 坏人。
    俄罗斯犹太人=坏。
    中国犹太人=坏。
    Israeljew = 坏。
    伊朗犹太人 = 坏。
    犹太人=坏人。

    拒绝你口中的犹太人啄食者并自己思考。

  281. denk 说:

    世界上还剩下多少像本这样的真正的记者
    联合蛇, 5 %, 3 ?

    • 回复: @Smith
  282. Smith 说:
    @denk

    是的,正如你所见,我们在中国大陆有很多这样的公司。

    政府付钱给他们,你看。

    • 回复: @denk
  283. denk 说:

    忘记 ((()))
    去他妈的[[[五个骗子]]]
    操你!

  284. annamaria 说:
    @Ber

    全球主义者希望俄罗斯和中国的边界出现更多溃烂的伤口。

    与此同时,美国的利益已经被以色列的利益所掩盖。美国政府中的以色列优先派甚至不掩饰他们的忠诚,而是要求为叙利亚的塔克菲里提供更多支持,以拯救以色列项目: https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/08/syrian-rebels-feel-left-behind-burn-traitor-erdogans-picture.html#comments

    美国“叙利亚特使”詹姆斯·杰弗里上个月在阿斯彭安全论坛上发表讲话,阐述了美国A计划——推翻阿萨德——失败后的B计划。

    詹姆斯·杰弗里(19 年 2019 月 XNUMX 日):

    我们正试图利用他们[叙利亚人]没有取得真正进展的事实,再次向他们表明你无法赢得这场战争[针对由以色列/美国/欧盟政府资助和武装的塔克菲里]。

    ……我们的 B 计划是与俄罗斯人合作,逐步通过政治进程,直至联合国监督的全国选举,建立一个实际上像正常国家(ZUSA 的附庸)一样行事的政府,以换取外国军队的妥协解决方案从伊朗人撤军开始……[ZUSA 显然希望俄罗斯人也撤军]。

    这就是我们正在讨论的计划。在那之前,我们正在尽一切努力加大压力:军事压力仅仅因为美国军队与我们同在。 当地盟友 [狂热的圣战分子]…

    有经济压力,对叙利亚有非常广泛的制裁......我们还成功阻止了任何重建援助 [以确保更多的叙利亚儿童死亡——杰弗里在这里将另一位凶残的犹太复国主义者M.奥尔布赖特引向这个政权或该政权的任何地区[从什么时候叙利亚是“政权”而沙特人是美国“民主”最好的朋友? ”]控制直到我们看到政治进程并且它正在发挥作用[以满足犹太国家的利益]。

    以色列优先的詹姆斯·富兰克林·杰弗里有一个且唯一的忠诚:

    詹姆斯·富兰克林·杰弗里在一个保守的犹太家庭长大 https://www.revolvy.com/page/James-Franklin-Jeffrey

    • 回复: @annamaria
  285. annamaria 说:
    @annamaria

    https://lobelog.com/how-saudi-arabia-and-israel-undermine-the-war-on-terror/

    以色列支持叙利亚的反阿萨德部队,以色列官员表示,他们更希望瓦哈比派接管该国,而不是阿萨德总统继续掌权。 ……

    2013 年 2015 月,时任以色列驻华盛顿大使迈克尔·奥伦 (Michael Oren) 在接受《耶路撒冷邮报》采访时表示:“我们一直希望巴沙尔·阿萨德下台,我们总是更喜欢不受伊朗支持的坏人,而不是伊朗支持的坏人。”得到伊朗支持的坏人”。以色列甚至向与叙利亚政府作战的基地组织分子提供援助。 《华尔街日报》XNUMX年XNUMX月报道称,以色列为在战斗中受伤的基地组织恐怖分子提供了医疗救治。

    难怪詹姆斯·富兰克林·杰弗里吹嘘美国成功阻止了叙利亚的任何重建援助。他将亲手谋杀每一个叙利亚儿童,以实现他的以色列统治该地区的梦想。 https://aspensecurityforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/The-Role-of-the-U.S.pdf
    简而言之,9/11 对于犹太国家和以色列优先者来说是一件好事。

  286. 中方将如何应对香港抗议活动?

    “随着中国表面上继续权衡其选择,抗议者和西方的任何乐观态度似乎都为时过早。

    然而,真正没有得到解决的“房间里的大象”才是香港抗议活动的真正目的:2047年,香港应该在没有任何“一个国家、两种制度”保护的情况下移交给中国。然后怎样呢?”
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/what-will-china-do-hong-kong-protests

    “Hong Kong Police Fire Live Rounds To Quell Protesters As Chaos Rules Streets”
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/firebombs-teargas-and-mayhem-hong-kong-rages-after-protest-leaders-arrested

    Hong Kong Protesters Use Umbrellas, Lasers, and Respirators to Evade Surveillance and Tear Gas
    https://reason.com/2019/08/09/hong-kong-protesters-use-umbrellas-lasers-and-respirators-to-evade-surveillance-and-teargas/

    China Escalates Hong Kong Conflict By Detaining Consulate Staffer
    https://reason.com/2019/08/22/china-escalates-hong-kong-conflict-by-detaining-consulate-staffer/

    独生子女

    • 回复: @Chinaman
  287. Smith 说:

    Crisis in America is Russia’s fault (CNN’s talking point).
    Crisis in China & Russia are America’s fault (RT’s talking point).

    Pigs becoming like humans, they will never stop blaming the others for their own problems.

    • 回复: @annamaria
    , @Felix Keverich
  288. denk 说:
    @Smith

    I’ve wasted too much time with corvinanus,
    onebornfreak as it is, go play with yourself sonny.

    • 回复: @Smith
  289. @Chinaman

    You’ve won and will win, nothing , you brainwashed, murderous young fool. Go stand on a tank,and make a nice easy target for some enterprising HK individual-please.

    If that wish of mine doesn’t pan out, I can rest assured that, sooner or later you and other pro-commie anti-human naive fools like yourself will doubtless be disappeared/liquidated in the first couple of internal commie purges that will occur, sooner or later [they always have,they always will], when your so-called “friends”/higher ups decide that you haven’t been sucking Xi’s[or whomevers] dick quite hard enough.

    Either way, I look forward to it, so good riddance.

    No regards,onebornfree

  290. Smith 说:
    @denk

    Go play with Winnie the Pooh, he misses ya.

    I am here to destroy your narrative.

  291. annamaria 说:
    @Smith

    先生,您知道中俄边境附近有多少美军基地吗?不?您需要检查这些数字(并将这些数字与驻扎在美国边境附近的中国和俄罗斯军事基地的数量进行比较),以在该论坛上表现出自己是消息灵通的人。

    You also need to check what country has been doing regime changing in the Middle East, Eastern Europe, Caucasus region, South America… Otherwise, according to your gospel, the coup d’etat in Ukraine (currently ruled by opportunistic Jews and Banderites) and “we came, we saw, he died” in Libya (currently featuring a slave market) had happened by immaculate conception.

    • 回复: @Smith
  292. @Smith

    There is no crisis in Russia per se, but we do have a Western sponsored protest/opposition movement. You can tell it’s Western-sponsored, because their agenda has nothing to do with what normal Russians want, but has everything to with what State Department wants from Russia.

  293. denk 说:

    If not for Ben here, I’d have written off the
    [[[family]]] wholesale !

    呵呵呵

    PS
    Dont confuse it with ((())) !

  294. Chinaman 说:
    @Smith

    这取决于谁煽动暴力以及双方是否有挑衅。

    In HK’s case, the rioters started each and every one of the violent clashes after being warned several times. The police have a protocol to follow and have shown restraint in many case.

    if people don’t violate the law, I am sure the police would rather do nothing.

    你支持法律与秩序吗?是还是不是?

    • 回复: @Smith
  295. getaclue 说:
    @Mark Hunter

    Read some of the comments here–they seem to love them some Mao–like the NYSlimes loves it some Joe Stalin even today years after their ace Reporter declared he didn’t commit any Mass Murders contrary to all those millions of dead bodies …. I read this book some time ago and found it well documented. I recommend it to anyone loving or clueless as to Mao and what he was really like and what he did. https://www.librarycat.org/lib/michael.cox120/item/123006730

    After reading it, and the photos etc., how anyone could praise Mao or the ChiCom “system”, even with the new “financial incentives” package, is beyond me. You would have to be an idiot or seriously brainwashed. The sad part is we are seeing the same “system” imported into the USA by useful idiots after years of infiltration of the Government, Education, and “Entertainment” by Communists. The Soviet KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov predicted this all would happen decades ago (he helped do it so he knew what was up!) and he was of course right. Look around.

    • 回复: @Ber
  296. aristotle 说:

    我钦佩沙米尔的智慧、勇气和说真话。然而,他是一名共产主义辩护者,这是一个严重的缺陷。

    如果香港人民愿意的话,香港就应该享有自治权。中共当然不是天使,沙米尔似乎在这场冲突中支持他们,这让他们感到悲伤。

    • 回复: @d dan
  297. Hong King Kong

    “….Sending in troops would hurt China’s economy something real bad, because it would mean the end of the Hong Kong trade hub (corporations, banks, rich people would leave). And most of the population understand the now-or-never notion. I read somewhere that though 92% of the people are ‘Chinese’, only 11% call themselves that.

    [更多]

    The vast majority ‘identifies’ as Hong Kongers. And (perceived) freedom is a big part of that. Many of those Hong Kongers are young and highly educated, salaries are high (finance sector), they can travel freely, study abroad. Those who are older are often the parents of these young people, who’ve worked very hard to give their kids these options.

    There have been -and will be again- protests from groups of doctors, lawyers, finance professionals, you name it. They don’t want to run the risk of being picked off the streets by mainland Chinese soldiers OR by Hong Kong police forces instructed by Beijing.

    When/If things get down to the wire, Hong Kongers will prove very much to be an immovable force. They have too much to lose not to be. They have, in their own view, everything to lose (which some people would translate as nothing to lose, but meaning the same). And they’re up against a Politburo that reacts to them like it’s never left the early 1900s.

    This does not bode well for anyone, and if g-d forbid it comes down to serious fighting in the streets, it will bode ill for the entire world. Not only China depends on Hong Kong for much of its trade, the US and EU do, too, for their trade with China, from which they procure much of what is sold in their stores.

    High time for everyone to sit down and talk. If there’s still time. The mass protest scheduled for tomorrow, August 31, may have been ‘officially’ called off, but there’s no proof Hong Kongers will stay home because of that. There IS proof of more military movements just across the Hong Kong border in Shenzhen, however.

    Pre-emptively arresting and releasing a pair of 22-year-old kids may not do the job anymore for Beijing. But the Communist Party CCP thinks they cannot possibly lose. They may be wrong. 1.3 billion people is a mighty potential force, but it’s not always only about numbers. Sometimes it’s about now or never……:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hong-king-kong

    问候,无胎

  298. Smith 说:
    @Chinaman

    我支持正确的事情,对国家的正义暴力/自卫是正确的。

    警察不想被打,就应该停止镇压人民。抗议中的所有暴力行为都源于试图阻止抗议者,而不是相反。

    法律和秩序只是手段,而不是目的。

    • 回复: @annamaria
  299. Smith 说:
    @annamaria

    那么,由于美国在中国和俄罗斯之外设有军事基地,因此针对这些国家的持不同政见者的任何暴力行为都是合法的吗?

    政权更迭也是如此,不仅美国这么做。事实上,你用它作为借口,就像 CNN 所做的那样。

    @菲利克斯·凯弗里奇
    针对普京养老金问题的抗议和最近的共产主义集会是美国国务院的阴谋吗?

    自从克里米亚稳定了美国的阴谋以来,普京的民意支持率是否一直很低?特朗普是否入侵了选举机器?

    • 回复: @annamaria
  300. “操共产党”,一名香港抗议者在视频结尾说道。

    我完全同意:

    此致onebornfree

  301. d dan 说:
    @aristotle

    “Hong Kong should have autonomy….” – Hong Kong already has autonomy, and it is also one of the most free place in the world, enjoying more freedom than even UK and US. It is enjoying more freedom than its 150 years of UK rule. Funny that nobody in the west care about Hong Kong in that 150 years. So you want Chinese to believe you guys suddenly support and care about Hong Kong? Save me your crocodile tears.

    Being a communist sympathizer is irrelevant here. I, like many other people, don’t like communism, and yet we support what Hong Kong and Chinese government are doing. Disgusting support of the west to those violent rioters are pushing fence-sitters like me to start believing that communism might be the right way to go for the future.

    • 回复: @Smith
    , @onebornfree
  302. The Hollow Promise Of A Statist Economy:

    “……Without market-determined prices for goods and services, including market-determined interest rates, discovered through free exchange, it is impossible to establish prices that reflect actual conditions.

    Without prices that are grounded in reality, the production and consumption relationship becomes distorted. In the absence of the natural corrective mechanism of market-determined prices, oversupply and scarcity conditions extend out to absurdity.

    Unfortunately, the young socialists are uninterested in these truths. Not when the goal of hard work and paying one’s way in life has been reduced to a game for suckers. Not when apathy and a life on the dole is filled with such hollow promise.”

    https://acting-man.com/?p=54708

    此致onebornfree

  303. Chinaman 说:

    These violent delights will have violent ends.

    你来 乌兹网 for the below…not MSM

    Give you keyboard freedom fighters what this is really about.

    Not some BS propaganda fake news from Onebornfree or his ilk.

    Protestors chasing police

    https://share.icloud.com/photos/0G4ihXmAVqZ7D8hbsTfodbftw

    反吹

    https://share.icloud.com/photos/02_uqIqd7v7oK1gJUplzsxeEg

    • 回复: @Smith
  304. romar 说:
    @Corvinus

    “这些家伙希望恢复殖民统治”——不,他们想恢复地方统治。
    您是他们授权的自旋医生吗?
    上图中的海报清楚地写着“让香港再次成为英国”。

  305. d dan 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    1. “Thank you for taking the trouble to write that reply” – the pleasure is both ways.

    2, “wouldn’t you want your family member to be arbitrarily arreated in Malaysia or Bhutan rather than China?” – First, you have to measure that against the CHANCE of being ARBITRARILY arrested. What makes you think that you have greater chance of being arbitrarily arrested in China? Just because it is more powerful? Second, it also depends on the charges. In some Muslim countries for example, the punishment for theft is chopping off your hand. I certainly prefer to be arrested for theft in China, in this case.

    3, “Try thinking through the full implications of a principle which allows you to say “outsiders should not have any say about issues that are happening within Chinese border.” if you take that to the literal extreme.” – That is essentially the principle of national sovereignty, isn’t it. Of course, if you want to talk about extreme cases (e.g. humanity disasters, genocide, etc), then all international rules can break down and have exceptions, but you have to agree that China is far, far from those extremes. So no, I still believe STRONGLY that foreigners and foreign government should not have any say about Chinese domestic affairs. They should not interfere in Hong Kong, which they are doing right now.

    4. “But at least money for lawyers can buy some protection from departures from the rule of law in the US ” – I am not sure this is much consolation for most people of ordinary mean – geez, should I choose to go to jail for 3 years or should I pay the lawyer with all my retirement saving? Again, you deviate from the core issue: shouldn’t you be more concerned about the likelihood and the degree of departures from the rule of law in each country?

    5. I believe your fear of China is overblown, caused by your lack of knowledge of Chinese justice system and years of exposure to western propaganda. People in the west also think they invented all concepts of modern social and political instruments – which is totally nonsense. For example, China has a very long and strong tradition of rule of law. For example, the legalism (法家) relied heavily on the rule of law over 2000 years ago to initiate a spectacular rise of Qin in a famous chapter of Chinese history. Successive dynasties (e.g Tang, Song, Yuen, Ming, Qing) all have compiled very complete and detail laws for the nation that we can study today. Recently, I watched a movie where Justice Bao Zheng was advising the Song Emperor it is inappropriate to inquire about a corruption case involving the royal family while the investigation was on-going. This is what we called separation of power – even for the Emperor – over 800 years ago.

    6. Finally, if none of what I say soothe your fear, please be assured there are many intelligent and courageous minds among the 1.4 billion people, and they too will demand fair justice from Chinese government.

    Thank you for the conversation, and I have learned a lot from you.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  306. @d dan

    Thank you. And again apologies that I cannot be more considered and comprehensive.

    The example you gave of the warning or advice to the Emperor is an impressive testimony to the level and character of civilisation but I recall reading that Chinese rule of law meant rule by laws which might have meant that you knew what you were going to be hit with but has a critically different connotation to the rule of law concept which implies that no one is above the law, that it will not be arbitrarily determined by, or its interpretation and application determined by, the current rulers, and that there will be procedural fairness (e.g. a chance to know the charges/issues and to put one’s case fully) and independent judiciary. I actually found Google receptive to the question “What is the difference between rule of law and rule by law?”.

    I have no doubt that many dedicated educated mandarins were very proud of the number of laws they had drafted in the era of Legalism!

    Now that the US seems to have calmed down enough to have given up in renditions and torture so that even the President would not have much chance of having someone arbitrarily locked up to put pressure on another country I would be most apprehensive about China nabbing me and holding me without access to lawyers or family for months before trial by a far from independent judge. Mind you I sympathised with Julian Assange’s distrust of the Swedish system of justice where he was liable to be held for questioning without a lawyer, but, except in Assange’s rather special case Sweden is not powerful enough – or as harsh in its punishments – as China. India? Well it would be nice to know that the courts had time for your case some time in the next 5 years! But in India you would find independent lawyers to act confidently before independent judges so, again, not so chilling.

    As for what are the domestic affairs one shouldn’t presume to interfere with, that can hardly apply to the way one’s fellow citizens or foreign investors are treated.

    • 回复: @d dan
  307. Smith 说:
    @d dan

    Save me your crocodike tears of crying about cops being beaten up by “rioters” with bats lol

  308. Smith 说:
    @Chinaman

    Will you be there to protect the poor defenseless cops who dindu nuffin?

    You should be shipped to France to protect the poor cops over there.

    • 回复: @annamaria
  309. Biff 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    But at least money for lawyers can buy some protection from departures from the rule of law in the US which appears not to be true in China

    Every cell block in GITMO is having a giggle fest at your joke.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  310. @d dan

    丹(Dan dan)说: “…Disgusting support of the west to those violent rioters are pushing fence-sitters like me to start believing that communism might be the right way to go for the future.”

    Delusions of Grandeur: Socialism Is A Fool’s Errand

    “It’s hard enough to plan and manage one’s own individual life, is it not? It’s foolish to think you can even plan the life of another single individual…You can’t!”

    此致onebornfree

  311. Chinaman 说:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/31/molotov-cocktail-uscis-us-citizenship-immigration-services-office

    Blowback. This is what happens when you stand with HK molotov throwing protestors. Heart -warming.

    I stand with 10m undocumented immigrants against the evil and Racist American regime. I support the Mexican’s claim on Californian and Texas was stolen from them.

    Get a taste of your own medicine, hypocrites.

    • 回复: @Smith
  312. Smith 说:
    @Chinaman

    An unarmed old drunk who manages to tie up 10 chinese in armor and shield, CIA indeed.

  313. Smith 说:
    @Chinaman

    If you like them, take them!

    The chinaman shows his true face! Send all the chinese, mexican and african and jews and arabs to Shanghai and Beijing.

    China is not racist, China can take them.

    • 回复: @onebornfree
  314. @Smith

    Brexit is good, so you misunderstand me.

    • 回复: @Smith
  315. annamaria 说:
    @Smith

    “If the police does not want to be beaten up, they should stop oppressing the people.”

    — Do you understand what you have written? What exactly is so oppressive about an intent to punish a murderer? https://thegrayzone.com/2019/08/17/hong-kong-protest-washington-nativism-violence/

    抗议活动表面上是反对香港、台湾、中国大陆和澳门之间的引渡法拟议修正案,该修正案将允许台湾当局起诉一名谋杀怀孕女友并将其尸体扔在灌木丛中的香港男子。去台湾度假期间。

    所有文明国家都有引渡法。或者您对国际法有自己的解读?

    In 2014, Ukrainian policemen were murdered by the so-called “revolutionaries” who happened to be mercenaries paid by the US State Dept. Since then, Ukraine ceased to be an independent country and became an impoverished and divided colony ruled by zionists and NATO/US.

    The “oppressed” in Hong Kong (who obviously have no problems with setting free the murderer of a pregnant girl) have been led by Fifth Column financed and encouraged by the US State Department.

    Among the most central influencers of the demonstrations is a local tycoon named Jimmy Lai. … Days earlier, Lai was in Washington, coordinating with hardline members of Trump’s national security team, including John Bolton. His ties to Washington run deep — and so do those of the front-line protest leaders.

    数百万美元已从国家民主基金会(NED)等美国政权更迭机构流入构成反华动员支柱的公民社会和政治组织。赖以自己的财富作为补充,同时通过他的各种媒体机构指导抗议者的策略。

    尽管西方媒体将香港抗议者描述为全体人民渴望自由的声音,但香港岛内存在严重分歧。今年8月,一群抗议者在黎智英的家外聚集,谴责他是华盛顿的“走狗”,并指责他在岛上制造混乱,这是背叛国家的行为。

    Another “cookie revolution” led by the virtuous CIA.
    The CIA in Kiev in 2014: https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/04/15/ukraine-secret-recipe-brennan-kiev/
    Five years later: “IMF ranks Ukraine as Europe’s poorest country:” https://www.intellinews.com/imf-ranks-ukraine-as-europe-s-poorest-country-150301/
    “The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know:” https://beta.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/04/09/the-war-in-ukraine-is-more-devastating-than-you-know/
    Nuland the cookie maker: https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/13/the-mess-that-nuland-made/

    香港与 21(二十一)个国家签订了引渡条约。与中国签订引渡条约有何问题?

    • 同意: Chinaman
    • 回复: @Smith
  316. annamaria 说:
    @Smith

    Could you be more specific about the “dissidents” and their sponsors?

  317. annamaria 说:
    @Smith

    Mr/Ms Smith, have you noticed that MSM is silent about Gilets Jaunes but very vocal about “freedom fighters” in Hong Kong?

    Have you ever heard that leaders of Gilets Jaunes traveled to DC to discuss and coordinated their activities with Bolton and other ziocons? No? — You need to think about that before making your dirty comparison between the democratic movement in France and the Fifth Column-organized operation in Hong Kong.

    “The yellow vests movement or yellow jackets movement is a populist, grassroots revolutionary political movement for 经济正义 that began in France in October 2018.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_vests_movement

    “The 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests are a series of demonstrations in Hong Kong and solidarity protests in other cities which began with the aim of withdrawing an extradition bill proposed by the Hong Kong government” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Hong_Kong_anti-extradition_bill_protests

    This extradition bill would make the murderer of a young pregnant woman face justice.

    • 回复: @Smith
  318. @Biff

    碰!

    I did indicate somewhere that I was taking the era of special renditions as over but I had forgotten those legacy prisoners. I am surprised that no one has taken a shot at me over the Australian government’s effective illegal immigrant/boat people deterrent program of keeping them at offshore destinations like Manus Island or Nauru but at least I could reply that they can leave and go home (fare paid) any time and yhat, thanks to bolshie [imagime the unavailable emoji here] lawyers and medics many are getting special treatment.

  319. Smith 说:
    @annamaria

    为什么一名在香港杀人的凶手在台湾犯罪后需要被引渡到中国大陆接受审判?听起来像是围捕人员并将他们运送到中国的完美借口吗?

    香港已与其他国家签订引渡条约?那么为什么需要为中国设立一个呢?嗯嗯?为什么不在新加坡等地呢?中国的正义是唯一的正义吗?

    抗议者正受到像黄背心一样武装到牙齿的警察的镇压,而你们却在这里为可怜的警察流着鳄鱼的眼泪。

    And I check RT, the East ZOG’s MSM, and they cover the Yellow Vests every weeks, so it is a lie to say the MSM does not cover the Yellow Vests.

    黄背心和香港运动并肩而行,都是草根,都取得了一定的成功,只是香港的抗议更受欢迎,争取更严肃的事业(香港逃犯vs高油价)在 YV)。

    • 回复: @Rollmop
    , @annamaria
  320. Smith 说:
    @annamaria

    And I am a vietnamese male!

    if you want justice, leave it to the local people. It is funny for a Hong Konger to face “real” justice in Beijing!

  321. U.S.Reporter Sits Down With Mainstream Hong Kong Journo To Discuss ChiCom Threat:

    此致onebornfree

  322. Rollmop 说:
    @Smith

    如果您不明白某些内容,也许您不应该发表评论。引渡法案将允许引渡 *台湾* 以及澳门和中国。凶手会被送往台湾,而不是中华人民共和国。

    • 回复: @Smith
  323. Smith 说:
    @Rollmop

    它允许引渡到中国,这意味着任何被标记的罪犯都可以被送往北京,而不仅仅是这个凶手。

    这就是香港人的问题,他们是对的。

    • 回复: @annamaria
    , @Anon
    , @Rollmop
  324. annamaria 说:
    @Smith

    “The Yellow Vest and HK movement stand by together…”

    Could you show some integrity? There is the obvious difference between HK movement controlled from abroad and the homegrown Yellow Vest movement.

    So here is a repost of my question to you:
    Have you ever heard that leaders of the Yellow Vest movement traveled to Washington, DC, to discuss and coordinate their activities with Bolton and other ziocons?

    Why is it so difficult for you to answer this question? Perhaps because Jimmy Lai and his retinue have been too tightly connected to the US State Dept. and the NED? The NED is known as a school for subversive activities such as regime-changing in non-vassal states. You seemingly do believe that the US friendship with the apartheid state of Israel and murderous Saudi despots is a sure sign of the US support for democracy.

    And who told you that RT belongs to western MSM? RT has been harassed in both EU and US. The supposedly democracy-loving western governments (and western MSM) prefer to hush-hush the truly democratic movement in France.

  325. annamaria 说:
    @Smith

    You mean, the murderer of the pregnant woman is a “labeled” criminal and needs your protection?

  326. Anon[134]• 免责声明 说:
    @Smith

    means any labeled criminals can be shipped to Beijing, and not just this murderer.

    No, it doesn’t. Read the fucking bill. It has been posted even on this site a numerous times.

    • 回复: @Smith
    , @Seraphim
  327. Smith 说:

    Please show the obvious differences between the Yellow Vest and the Hong Kong protests?
    Both protest against government malpractices.
    Both get beaten up by cops.Both fight back violently if need be.
    Both are grassroots movements formed by people.
    Both fight for so-called democracy.
    Both got leaders arrested while the protest still goes on (Trump tweets to support the Yellow Vest AND the HK protests too.).
    Both stand together against their government.

    It’s you who is divided between East ZOG vs West ZOG who makes a difference.

    Who’s “Jimmy Lai and his retinue”? The so-called “leader” that does not control or has any say in the movement, the exact same thing as various “leaders” of the Yellow Vest?

    And for your information, CNN is also harassed in Russia and China, does that mean CNN is not the MSM? Make no mistake, RT is a Moscow-funded piece, and they are as MSM as they get, just on the different side of the ZOG.

    Also, the Hong Kongers don’t care about the murderer, they care about being labeled criminals by Beijing, the bill does not exist to extract said one murderer, it applies to every HKer who gets labeled as a criminal.

    Your lies will not stand here, chicom yid.

    • 回复: @annamaria
  328. Smith 说:

    The Yellow Vest supports Hong Kong!

    The Hong Konger supports the Yellow Vest!
    https://a-louest.info/Soutien-des-gilets-jaunes-de-Hong-Kong-743

    The West ZOG will call you FSB Russian trolls.

    The East ZOG will you call you CIA zionists.

    But two people! The same struggle against BOTH the commies who run France and China.
    Be scared, yids, be very scared for the truth rings hard in your brain.

  329. Smith 说:
    @Anon

    说谎者!
    >To differentiate case-based surrender arrangements (to be defined as “special surrender arrangements” in the proposal) from general long-term surrender arrangements;
    >To stipulate that special surrender arrangements will be applicable to Hong Kong and any place outside Hong Kong, and they will only be considered if there are no applicable long-term surrender arrangements;
    说谎者!

    The chicom yid lies while he kvetches about the poor cops.

  330. Smith 说:

    Another lie by East ZOG shill!

    The Hong Kong protest is about protecting RICH people.

    同时:
    1. The extradiction bill does not say that only rich people will be extradicted to China (it does not define rich or poor, just criminal or case).
    2. Rich people make an U-Turn AND SUPPORT the bill:
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/333397839_Digital_Representation_in_an_Electoral_Campaign_Influenced_by_Mainland_China_The_2017_Hong_Kong_Chief_Executive_Election
    https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3012230/fugitive-tycoon-joseph-lau-withdraws-legal-challenge

    Yes, the Hong Kongers want to protect RICH people so much that RICH people want Hong Kongers to be extradited to Beijing! What hilarity, what BOLD FACE LIE!

    Let the truth rings. Let the chicom smell fear.

  331. annamaria 说:
    @Smith

    好。

    Jimmy Lai and other (younger) acknowledged leaders of the Hong Kong movement have been in contact with the US State Department and the NED. These are well-known facts.

    You are correct that RT (Russian MSM) has been the source of information about the Yellow Vests movement – to the chagrin of western MSM. Western MSM prefers to make noises about the events in Hong Kong but avoids to do any analysis of the Yellow Vests movement. The Yellow Vests have been demonized by western MSM controlled by the western governments — you are welcome to correct either part of this statement.

    The Yellow Vests manifests the democratic movement of French people.

    The Hong Kong movement is the CIA-controlled operation that mimics other regime-changing operations conducted with the help of the US State Dept and NED.

    By the way, where have you learned the word “yid?” — In Israel or Ukraine?

    • 回复: @Smith
  332. Smith 说:
    @annamaria

    Jimmy Lai AND ANY other random chinese is not a leader of the Hong Kong protest, much like all the “leaders” of the Yellow Vests that are arrested and probed for Russian connection. BOTH of them are leaderless movements. This is a well-known fact.

    Also, for your information:
    RT, East ZOG MSM, covers Yellow Vest and demonizes Hong Kong protest and accuse them as CIA.
    CNN, West ZOG MSM, covers Hong Kong protest and demonizes Yellow Vest protest and accuse them as FSB/Russian.
    Both outlets claim to be pro-democracy.

    Conclusion: Both outlets are the same propaganda shit while both protest movements that they demonize are grown from the people and both movements stand together.

    And I learn the word yid on the internet, same for the word chicom, thank you very much, my chicom yid!

    • 回复: @Ber
  333. DB Cooper 说:
    @Yee

    “Oh, wake up… These people are waving US and UK flags, not KMT flags. KMT has long ceased to matter in anything anymore. Just give them up, please.”

    Yes I know. There are always people doing the more radical things in order to provoke. What I am talking about is the big environment. I am not saying the West does not have a hand on it. I would be surprised if it doesn’t exploit these anti-CCP sentiment in Hong Kong.

    KMT has a long history of presence in Hong Kong. As late as in the 1980s during the Double Tenth anniversary you can see a sea of Chinese flags, the ‘Blue Sky White Sun all is Red flag’ in some of the busiest district of Hong Kong. Some of the older residential areas in Hong Kong were traditionally stronghold of KMT and you can see the ROC flags all year round. This of course no longer existed anymore but the political orientation of the people won’t change just because the flags weren’t there. It just become latent.

    The pro KMT sentiments of the Chinese diaspora (including Hong Kong and Taiwan) are especially strong among the older generations. Watch this clip of Nobel Laureate physicist Samuel Ting. His sentiment are pretty representative among his generations. People who have this view and weren’t discreet about it in the mainland were of course have long been killed in the many past political campaigns.

    By the way lets change course a bit and imagine God forbid these Hong Kong protesters succeed to usurp the political order and become ruler of China and in order to show gratitude to the West’s support they concede Tibet independence because the West always want to carve Tibet out of China just like Russia were instrumental in outer Mongolia’s independence. Imagine how pissed you would be. Well the CCP were at one time young and radical and this is exactly what Mao did to outer Mongolia. But the people in mainland are conditioned by the CCP to be ok with it. Many people actually blame it on the KMT, which is ridiculous. By the way I could not help but think when Samuel Ting said the first thing a new dynasty would do is to rewrite history is a subtle dig on CCP’s historic revisionism.

  334. Beijinger 说:

    Glad to see a Vietnamese buying the BS of west MSM and find the truth of the universe.
    With such people growing in its country, it’s foreseeable that one day Vietnam people will stand up for whatever reasons to protest against their corrupted Chicom government and fight against their violent policeman, the good wishing support from White house and the news cover will stand at your side and bring honor and justice to you.
    Or, it could be even better as it seems to go that such people become top leaders in Vietnam government and lead to another glorification of democracy and freedom success for human being.
    Cheers and all the sincere wishes to your country and your people since you on the correct direction!
    As a Chinese, unlike @Chinaman, I gave up communication with those great insightful human minds who know the truth of universe and speak of nonsense BS.
    Effective communication won’t be made without good intension.
    Also, it’s not our duty to let others know us and understand us. One day your child will learn our language to know us in return as we have done that for decades.

    • 回复: @Smith
    , @Chinaman
  335. Seraphim 说:
    @Anon

    When someone talks repeatedly (and it is not a typo) about ‘extradiction’ instead of extradition, it means that he does not know what he is talking about from the start.

  336. Smith 说:
    @Beijinger

    Ah yes, the real Peking gives us his delightful opinion! Listen and believe people, for if we don’t buy the BS from Peking, that means we buy the BS from the West!

    If you aren’t pro communism, you are pro democracy! Never mind that communism ADVOCATES democracy!

    Good luck to you too, my Peking friend, it’s not the first or last time you would have a revolt from southern China!

    @瑟拉芬
    He made a typo, thus disregard whatever he says, such wonderful argument technique!

  337. Ber 说:
    @Smith

    The thing about leaderless protests is like a ship without rudder and the protesters will not have a united voice. Do the Hong Kong protesters have a common voice?

    • 回复: @Smith
  338. Hardly anyone here seems to want to consider the [to me] perfectly reasonable idea that the violent protestors are being paid to initiate violence by the CCP and related . The same applies to the HK police.

    “Nah, not possible ! The Chinese state is good! -its the CIA ” , they all crow, in perpetual unison 🙂 .

    Once brainwashed by the state [China, or US, or elsewhere] , always brainwashed by the state.

    等等...。

    “Burn With Us” – Protesters Clash With Riot Police At Hong Kong Airport Amid Surge Of Violence:

    “Following one of the most violent days of unrest since the anti-extradition bill protests began three months ago, Hong Kongers again ignored police orders to stay home on Sunday and gathered at Hong Kong International Airport.

    Though Sunday’s demonstration was smaller than Saturday’s, police once again escalated their violent tactics, at one point seeming to indiscriminately beat down young people traveling on the city’s public transit on suspicion that they might be traveling to join the protest……………………Protesters also spray painted “burn with us” and “8.31, 7.21” on walls of Tung Chung MTR. The latter refers to indiscriminate attack in Yuen Long on July 21, and police alleged attacks over protesters and civilians in railway stations………

    …………..In a truly bizarre incident that appeared to confirm reports of local thugs working with Beijing to scare off protesters, a man in a white shirt was reportedly seen chasing protesters with a long knife, though nobody was reported injured and police said they hadn’t received any reports, according to a local English-language blog.

    Videos shared on social media Sunday only added to the outrage, as they showed police in helmets and gas masks beating pedestrians and riders inside a train in Prince Edward station.

    Graphic footage from Sat night shows how #HongKong police stormed Prince Edward MTR station, beating people and making arrests on the platform and train……………”:

    https://www.newswars.com/burn-with-us-protesters-clash-with-riot-police-at-hong-kong-airport-amid-surge-of-violence/

    “Chinese media warns ‘end is coming’ for Hong Kong protesters…”
    https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Hong-Kong-protests/Xinhua-warns-end-is-coming-for-Hong-Kong-protesters

    此致onebornfree

  339. @Smith

    Notice that “Chinaman” apparently lives in HK and likes to fondle his “Kindle” while hanging out on his billionaire friends boat ,who, assuming he’s not a “protected” CCP insider, and assuming he has any practical commonsense left, already knows “which side his bread is buttered on”, and is already planning to sail out of HK for less turbulent waters, if he hasn’t already done so, before the shit really hits the fan, and, post commie takeover, the internal purges begin.

    问候,无胎

    • 回复: @Chinaman
    , @Smith
  340. 如果那些暴徒真的勇敢的话,他们会袭击解放军驻香港部队。

    他们这样做也是愚蠢的。

    但他们摧毁香港的行为已经暴露了他们的愚蠢。

  341. @eah

    So ,”therefor” China should completely overrun HK, right now, right?

    “问候”无生

    • 回复: @denk
  342. denk 说:
    @onebornfree

    I Thought IM already done with this thread, ugh, the onebornfreak asshole is still spewing his bile..

    ‘What are you trying to insinuate here? That I support the policies of the US government, the Pentagon et al? Or that I’m CIA, as some other twerp here, like a trained seal, reflexively assumes?

    Didnt I already prove it….

    Anyone who still swears by the unitedsnake and its presstitudes can only be…
    An idiot or a sock puppet.

    选择你的毒药 混蛋.

  343. denk 说:
    @onebornfree

    混蛋

    IN USUK, the protestors would’ve been shot
    down like rats by now.

    • 回复: @Smith
  344. Chinaman 说:
    @Beijinger

    Yes, the discussion have degenerated to the point it is just a waste of time, I don’t even know what we are arguing about anymore. It is indeed impossible to have a rational discussion when both side can’t establish basic facts that they can agree on.

    The opinions expressed here is a reflection of the problems in HK, everyone just choose their own anecdotes or well-chosen examples to confirm their preconceived biases ( confirmation bias) instead of trying to try to argue from both sides and looking at the totality of the evidence. This is lowest form of debate and it is a futile exercise.

    All the problems in the world can be fundamentally attributed to human being’s tendencies to see matters in black and white, right and wrong, in group and outgroup and instinctively assuming one is on the side of the angel and the other side is evil and subhuman.

    The protestors and police, America and China…all believe they are fighting for a just cause. This is when might becomes right.

  345. Chinaman 说:
    @onebornfree

    I don’t plan to “bug out” at all since I am confident that these riots will burn out soon.

    All the government needs to do is to impose a curfew and or declare a state of emergency in which no one can wear masks or hide their identity.

    If you looked at all the vile and irresponsible comments on Unz ( including mine sometimes), we can agree that anonymity brings out the worse of all of us. It is easy to lose your humanity if we don’t have to take responsibility for our actions. These riots will stop tomorrow if it becomes illegal for someone to hide their face in public and they can get arrested just for that.

    My cousin is one of the “violent” protestor on the frontlines, he is an unemployed heavy metal vocalist and he doesn’t care about the politics or the extradition bill. It is in his blood to be hate authority and to hate the government and the police. This protest have been fun for him and his anti-social friends.

    He is hiding in Taiwan now, probably from assaulting cops or something. He have got baton marks on his arm, Explain why we need an extradition bill. Haha. I told him not to come back.

    People who don’t know what is going on should just shut up…

    • 回复: @Erebus
    , @Seraphim
  346. Chinaman 说:

    This was never about the extradition bill. Anyone who still think that is a fucking idiot.

    It is as inane as people who believe “ we need to invade Iraq because they have WMD. “

    This was not supposed to be about the police but this is the focal point now. No one expected this.

    The whole thing have already went off script which is why you already see fictions and splits In the protestors camp.

    Someone’s got to do it.

    I will make the bold prediction that the riots and protest will completely end by Oct 1st b4 national day.

    HK will be in complete lockdown.

    • 回复: @Smith
  347. Smith 说:
    @Ber

    Yes they do, like the Yellow Vest, it’s about giving Hong Kong autonomy, and that means cancellation entirely of the extradition bill.

    • 回复: @annamaria
  348. Smith 说:
    @Chinaman

    >protest about extradition bill
    >it’s not about the extradition bill
    Chicom shill is getting restless.

    What is next? Yellow Vest does not know what they want, are all idiots and should go home and enjoy higher gas prices and a falling welfare state?

    Nothing is going here, citizen, disperse and go home!

  349. Smith 说:
    @denk

    Yeah, like last time with any riot/protest in UK/US where cars are burned, trash bins were overturned and shops were vandalized, yet the police did not even fire a shot.

    你想愚弄谁?

    • 回复: @denk
  350. Smith 说:

    具有讽刺意味的是。

    *protest in any western country*
    Chicom yid: look, my children, look at how chaotic and evil the West is for oppressing their own minorities, so racist! Look at how great and peaceful China is!
    *protest in Hong Kong*
    Chicom yid: Oh my god shut it down! CIA US state dept rich people useful idiots! hope our cops beat them, I hope tanks roll over them, I hope their children children speak OUR language.

    Have a taste of your own medicine, chicom!

    • 回复: @denk
  351. Smith 说:
    @onebornfree

    Well, Chicomman and Peking Duck definitely sound like paid CCP posters trying to damage control, considering their tones and their visible hatred of cantonese.

    • 回复: @denk
  352. Erebus 说:
    @Chinaman

    People who don’t know what is going on should just shut up…

    They may or may not know what’s going on, but a few are here to derail rational, fact-based discussion and bog it down with inanities.

    Insofar as you’re arguing with them, they’ve succeeded.

    • 回复: @Smith
    , @Chinaman
  353. Smith 说:
    @Erebus

    Fact-based rational discussion like how HK is a CIA coup despite this is a Beijing talking point with no proof or whatsoever, while the Yellow Vest is totally different despite both having the same characteristics?

    I would LOVE to have the facts here.

  354. Seraphim 说:
    @Chinaman

    I was stranded for four days in Hong Kong en route to Shanghai because of the typhoon Lekima and then by the closure of HK airport. What I noticed was that generally people seemed annoyed by the circus (not to say anything about the travelers cut short in their businesses).

    • 回复: @Smith
    , @Chinaman
  355. Rollmop 说:
    @Smith

    再次强调,不懂的请勿评论。

    该法案是对现行法律的修正案。该法律自1997年香港回归中国之前就已开始实施。我们已经可以根据该法律将人员送往俄罗斯或津巴布韦。你猜怎么了?香港法官实际上从未将任何人遣送回这些国家。

    假装这项法律是为了将中国批评者关进劳改营,这完全是胡说八道。把它剪掉。阅读法律。

  356. Erebus 说:

    Recently, the 2015 propaganda film 着火的冬天:乌克兰争取自由的斗争 about Maidan was screened at half a dozen locations around Hong Kong. It was an obvious attempt to move the protests to a new, more violent level. The same script, same financiers, producers and directors, a few new actors and a new locale is playing out in HK. The upcoming movie’s working title is doubtless Summer on Fire: Hong Kong’s Fight for Freedom. It should be out next year, unless the protests collapse.

    At the end of the day, both Maidan and HK are all about leveraging legitimate local grievances into a regime change operation. In both cases, the underlying grievance revolves around being ruled by obscenely wealthy local oligarchs who manipulate the civil, social and political structures to their benefit at the expense of the people. The job of the regime changers is to divert the people’s anger away from its source, the oligarchs, and towards the govt.

    The Chinese watched the Russians play out the clock on Maidan, and they’ve taken a page from the Russian playbook. HK’s oligarchs will be allowed to fall into irrelevance, if not poverty, and HK with them.

    Countries and Empires fail when their elites fail. Both Ukraine’s and HK’s have failed.

    Like most Ukrainians, most HK’ers can’t move, so the situation will be allowed to freeze and slowly deteriorate. HK, of course, has much more to lose than the Ukraine, but it’s been on the way to losing it for the last decade. Just as it was for Moscow, the best strategy for the big boys in Beijing is to wait a decade or two until they come ’round cap-in-hand and ask for a hand in getting out of the hole they fell into.

    • 回复: @Ber
  357. Smith 说:
    @Seraphim

    啊,就像人们对法国各个城市阻塞交通的黄背心感到恼火一样?

    Bear with it, man, the people’s well-beings are more important than your business.

    @Rollmop

    Again, the amendment is about allowing special extradition to China, Taiwan and Macau, which is not like before. People PROTEST that, because they don’t want to be shipped to China where Hong Konger political dissidents are ill-treated or silenced.

    香港存在引渡到其他国家的事实并不意味着香港人希望被引渡到中国进行袋鼠正义(香港政府与香港政府串通一气,因为中国实际上拥有并控制着香港,这与俄罗斯、美国、英国甚至津巴布韦不同) )。

    我已经读过法律,我已经了解法律,这里似乎唯一不了解的是你。

    • 回复: @Seraphim
    , @Rollmop
  358. Smith 说:

    Hey bro, you miss out the possible screening of ANOTHER film, Winter on Fire: Yellow Vest’s fight for Freedom, unless the protests collapse.

    At the end of the day, both Maidan and Yellow Vest are all about leveraging legitimate local grievances into a regime change operation. In both cases, the underlying grievance revolves around being ruled by obscenely wealthy local oligarchs who manipulate the civil, social and political structures to their benefit at the expense of the people. The job of the regime changers is to divert the people’s anger away from its source, the oligarchs, and towards the govt.

    The French watched the Russians play out the clock on Maidan, and they’ve taken a page from the Russian playbook. France’s oligarchs will be allowed to fall into irrelevance, if not poverty, and France with them.

    Countries and Empires fail when their elites fail. Both Ukraine’s and France’s have failed.

    Like most Ukrainians, most Yellow Vests can’t move, so the situation will be allowed to freeze and slowly deteriorate. Yellow Vest, of course, has much more to lose than the Ukraine, but it’s been on the way to losing it for the last decade. Just as it was for Moscow, the best strategy for the big boys in Paris is to wait a decade or two until they come ’round cap-in-hand and ask for a hand in getting out of the hole they fell into.

    Does this mean Yellow Vest is CIA-backed as well? Or is it FSB-backed?

    • 回复: @Erebus
  359. Seraphim 说:
    @Smith

    You seem not to understand that HK is part of China. The people of HK were annoyed by the antics of the umbrella bearers.

  360. Rollmop 说:
    @Smith

    牛尘。你对法律一无所知。它对中国的限制甚至比对地球上任何其他国家都更加严格。香港确实是中国的一部分。

    从香港把人送回中国比把他们送到津巴布韦更难。

  361. Chinaman 说:
    @Erebus

    Sorry, I can’t resist to feed a troll like Smith or onebornfree once in awhile. He is more obedient and endearing than Pavlov’s dogs.

  362. Smith 说:

    一国两制。香港和中国之间的协议将于 2047 年终止,而不是现在。不,大多数香港人都对香港警察用水枪殴打他们感到恼火。

    @Rollmop:

    胡扯,中国可以合法地从香港引渡人,这个简单的事实就是香港人所反对的。不是它有多么困难,也不是它有多么限制。

    And you can repeat Hong Kong is a part of China over and over again, if HKer don’t want to be extradited to China, that means they DON’T want to be extradited to China.

    你我都懂法律,你们却罔顾事实抹黑示威者。

    • 回复: @Chinaman
    , @Rollmop
  363. Chinaman 说:
    @Seraphim

    Public opinion have turned long ago. The problem is that the black shirt are the loudest and get the most media attention. I am too lazy and lethargic except to type and vent here. It really hasn’t affected me, the expats or the rich, I think the violence and the barbarism last week have breached the bottom line for most people, including the demagogues who already feel the mood is shifting and distancing themselves from the violence. It always end this way. People wake up from the madness and ask why are they destroying their own homes.

  364. Chinaman 说:
    @Smith

    一国两制。香港和中国之间的协议将于 2047 年终止,而不是现在。不,大多数香港人都对香港警察用水枪殴打他们感到恼火。

    Oh, please…most people of HK will be annoyed by your pontification when you can’t even get your facts straight. It is a joint DECLARATION between HK and Britain, dumbass, not an agreement between HK and China.

    Please come and stand with HK so we can all beat the fucking Vietcong out of you, we are quite good at that.

    • 回复: @Smith
  365. Rollmop 说:
    @Smith

    你猜怎么着,朋友?有人需要面对现实,但那不是我。

    这件事以某种方式结束。

    但最终还是以中国队获胜告终。

    就像你的一只极其丑陋的民主党牛曾经说过的那样:

    “面对现实。否则现实就会对付你。”

  366. Smith 说:
    @Chinaman

    Oh so, the Chicom admits it’s NOT going to honor the agreement then?

    And I don’t remember Hong Konger beating any Vietcong, if anything, the Vietcong gives you chicom a bloody nose in 1979.
    @ Rollmop

    You aren’t talking reality, you are talking about might makes right, I agree with that but at least we aren’t pretending to be debating laws anymore.

  367. Smith 说:

    Oh wow, look at those CIAnigger kids in Hong Kong school.

    Rollmop might be careful with his might makes right approach else he makes a PR crisis with Big Brother. And no, I’m not liberal nor a democrat, I’m a nationalist, and I support the cantonese cause.

    • 回复: @denk
  368. Erebus 说:
    @Smith

    Does this mean Yellow Vest is CIA-backed as well?

    It ain’t so simple.

    I’ve heard through the usual channels that the Yellow Vests are backed by the Vatican, who of course is but a tool of one of the Bulgarian intelligence networks, though nobody seems to know which one.

    I should note that I see unmistakeable signs of The Armenian’s, and possibly The Turk’s hand in there as well. As they never work together, or with the Bulgarians, it’s possible that the Pope is playing his own game.

    Wheels within wheels, “Smith”. Wheels within wheels…

    • 回复: @Smith
  369. Smith 说:
    @Erebus

    If only we focus on what they are protesting about and fighting for, instead of looking up on which hands of the devil backing them eh?

    • 回复: @Erebus
  370. Ben Franklin once famously said : “..those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

    I think I can improve on that quote by a US founding father :

    “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little [imagined] temporary safety via their government will lose ALL liberty , and will achieve NO safety. ”

    此致onebornfree

  371. denk 说:
    @Smith

    ‘smith’..

    *protest in any western country*
    Chicom yid: look, my children, look at how chaotic and evil the West is for oppressing their own minorities, so racist!

    Nancy Pelosi ,
    ‘ Hong Kong demonstrations were “a beautiful sight to behold”

    孔子…

    ‘Its rude not to return a compliment’

    Chinese spokeswoman Hua Chunying…
    ‘I wish for many such ‘beautiful sight’ in the USA’

    • 回复: @annamaria
    , @Seraphim
  372. denk 说:
    @Smith

    Dunno which case you’r referring to,
    anyway, those are kindergarten stuff compared to the HK violence…

    murikkanos should try storming the congress, police stations, shut down the airport, paralysis the subway, assault police in fukus, I doubt they’d live to tell their tale here

  373. denk 说:
    @Smith

    I come here to get away from the MSM B.S.

    YOur pal onebornfreak come here to saturate bomb us with all those MSM bile, what a 反常 !

    • 同意: annamaria
    • 回复: @denk
  374. Erebus 说:
    @Smith

    If only we focus on what they are protesting about and fighting for…

    It’s become easy to tell when what may have started as a real protest about real grievances has been hijacked and morphs into something else…

    – If/When the protestors original grievance(s) are answered, and the protestors escalate their demands to un-addressable levels such as would cause the govt having to either break their own laws or to resign/abdicate.
    – If/When the govt refuses to, or can’t answer the new set of demands, we see the emergence of new “recruits” who incite and/or initiate violence and destruction, usually without articulating any coherent demands at all.
    – If/When that fails to provoke the govt into violent pacification, we see the emergence of the professionals who turn the violence deadly for the purpose of getting the govt to act. Hong Kong ain’t there yet, but it certainly won’t surprise me if it winds up there.

    Concurrent to the protest’s move into its un-addressable demands stage, the West’s Mighty Wurlitzer fires up, flooding everybody’s worldview with vague platitudes about “freedom” & “self-determination”, “peaceful” protestors and ridiculously exaggerated estimates of the number of participants as well as of the support they may enjoy in the general population. All of this is accompanied by exactly zero depth of coverage and analysis into the original grievances or how the govt addressed them.
    One need only to notice the difference in the coverage between HK and the Yellow Vests to know which is the real protest.

    We’ve seen similar programs unfold in Syria, Libya, Ukraine, and now Hong Kong. This has been recognized and explicated in numerous geo-political strategy papers by both the perpetrating and some of the defending countries. In fact, a couple of years ago the Russian Foreign Ministry ran a well attended clinic for likely-to-be-targeted govts on how to recognize and defend against this menace.

    Beijing apparently learned their lessons, but if the protests move from violence to deadly violence we’ll see one of two scenarios, or both…
    – The closure and banning of all foreign “NGOs”, especially the political just as Russia did, and/or
    – Chinese SF snipers taking out the most egregiously violent of the protestors, cowing the rest.

    • 回复: @Smith
    , @Chinaman
  375. annamaria 说:
    @Smith

    “like the Yellow Vest, it’s about giving Hong Kong autonomy…’
    — What “autonomy” the Yellow Vests are fighting for?
    If there were a French scoundrel who murdered his pregnant (pregnant!) girlfriend, the French would march en masse to punish the scoundrel. The Hong-Kongers, on the other hand, have been marching to protect the murderer. Marching under the Union Jack and American Star-Spangled Banner. Don’t’ the US evangelicals like the marching!

    • 回复: @Smith
  376. d dan 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “Chinese rule of law meant rule by laws…” – I am not a lawyer, but my superficial understanding of some cases in Chinese history indicates that there were at least some emphasis on “rule of laws” too.

    “Now that the US seems to have calmed down enough to have given up in renditions and torture so that even the President would not have much chance of having someone arbitrarily locked up to put pressure on another country” – I think you are way too optimistic in this regard. Besides the Guantanamo Bay that the other poster mentioned, I consider the detainment of Huawei CFO very arbitrary. And you likely are unaware of the many cases of wrongful prosecution, dismissal, discrimination, etc of American Chinese that have happened in the last few years in US?

    “Sweden is not powerful enough – or as harsh in its punishments – as China. ” – you keep on bemoaning that Chinese government is too powerful for your comfort, but you should know that a government is powerful only if it has the support of its people, right? Currently, there is no better way for rallying support for Chinese government than the constant overt and covert interference, criticism and pressure on China through Hong Kong protests, through Taiwan, through containment, through trade war, through tech war (Huawei, etc), through cultural war (e.g. Kiron Skinner’s “clash of civilization”)… Yes, western politicians, media and many Internet posters are doing their best to helping Chinese government to become very powerful.

    • 回复: @Erebus
  377. SOCIAL CREDIT SYSTEM: FACIAL RECOGNITION CAMERAS MONITOR CHINESE STUDENTS’ BEHAVIOR IN CLASS

    “Monitors how often students look up, whether they’re listening or not.

    A university in China has installed facial recognition cameras in classrooms that monitor students’ behavior such as nodding off or playing with their cellphones.

    China Pharmaceutical University in Nanjing, East China’s Jiangsu Province, is piloting the system in two classrooms and eventually plans to install it in every classroom.

    “The system can access every student’s personal information and monitor their behavior in class such as nodding off and playing with their mobile phones,” reports Global Times.

    The cameras can also record truancy, whether students are listening or not, how often they look up and down, and whether they leave early.

    Students complain the system is an invasion of their privacy, but school officials insist the cameras are necessary to encourage discipline…..”:

    https://www.sgtreport.com/2019/09/social-credit-system-facial-recognition-cameras-monitor-chinese-students-behavior-in-class/

    此致onebornfree

    • 回复: @Seraphim
  378. Ber 说:
    @Erebus

    “…the underlying grievance revolves around being ruled by obscenely wealthy local oligarchs who manipulate the civil, social and political structures to their benefit…”

    It would seem to look that way. This would mean that most of the lawmakers in HK are in the pockets of the local oligarchs.

    No wonder there are 37,000 NGOs (mainly foreign funded) allowed to operate in HK. i.e. One NGO serving around 200 citizens – not even government representatives can match that kind of service.

    If there are, say 3 personnel per NGO, it would mean a staggering 100,000 plus personnel on the paychecks of the pipe piper who can call for their support for whatever agenda the piper deems fit. So there is no need for leadership at the local level.

    • 同意: Erebus, annamaria
    • 回复: @Smith
  379. Seraphim 说:
    @denk

    Americans have fits when they hear about “the fundamental Chicano nationalist goal of reclaiming Aztlán” as “the rightful homeland of the Chicanos”! The ‘right of secession’ is applicable to everybody except the Americans.

    • 回复: @Smith
    , @denk
  380. Smith 说:
    @Erebus

    Yeah, all of these apply to the Yellow Vest as well.

    1. Yellow Vest asked for lower gas right, that’s their main protest at first, and they got it, similar to how the extradition bill got “suspended”.

    2. Yellow started out very violently with many vandalizing act, beating up cops and destroying of public properties.

    3. Yellow mellows out as the gov adopts the wait and freeze tactics.

    All of these are the same for HK protests, the only big difference is some protesters waving US flags, but that can be explained away by the demanding of the 2nd amendment, not US intervention.

    This is not the same as what happens in the Arab spring and Venezuela which had defection from the military.

  381. Smith 说:
    @annamaria

    The Yellow Vest marches for autonomy from NATO/EU and the abolition of Macron government.

    And nobody in Hong Kong is marching for that murderer, the law doesn’t EXIST just to jail that murder. Keep engaging in that fake news.

    @登克

    Yeah, man, I kinda wish there’s such a big protest in the US demanding freedom from the shitty US government or local government such as California or New York. Texas secession here we come.

    • 回复: @annamaria
  382. Smith 说:
    @Seraphim

    Wut? So you are saying Texas recession is not a popular movement? ONLY the feds are against it.

    Aztlan is not even a secession, it’s colonization and invasion since it’s backed by the foreign mexicans.

  383. Erebus 说:
    @d dan

    Yes, western politicians, media and many Internet posters are doing their best to helping Chinese government to become very powerful.

    Actually, they quite likely know not what they do, but that’s a valid point. The Chinese govt’s domestic position has been helped immeasurably by the West’s antics.

    However, I’d assume that the West’s antics are primarily intended to hurt the Chinese govt internationally and with the Western public. They’ve surely recognized by now that it’s untouchable domestically. Those countries that attended the Russian clinic on Hybrid War may understand what’s going on, but I’m not sure how well others do, much less their publics.

  384. Seraphim 说:
    @onebornfree

    Facial recognition technology is an American invention, ahem. They worked hard to develop it.

    • 回复: @Smith
    , @onebornfree
  385. Chinaman 说:
    @Erebus

    I agree. This is why the government is not backing off. It’s a catch 22 situation. Appeasement in this case will only lead to more unrealistic demands such as independence. It is a downward spiral that ultimately descend into anarchy.

    The focal point of the protest have already shifted to police brutality rather than the bill or even democracy. The absurdity of the whole situation is that the real and legitimate greivances, which are actually all economic in nature and which the government can actually address , such as, land policies and youth unemployment are not even on the agenda. the simplest thing for the government can do is to provide housing subsidies like section 8 In the US for low income families and young. This would almost immediately make 80% of the people happy. Hker are a practical people.

    The British have left behind an entrenched bureaucracy which is still stuck in the colonial imperialist mindset which have never care much for the local populace. It is functioning like a zombie after its British master left. This government structure and the one country 2 system have evolved to serve the oligarch’s interest and is actually at the core of the problem. Contrary to what people believe, a Chinese takeover of HK world actually break this intransigence and improve the wealth distribution. How? Giving a deadline for the real estate oligarchs to developed their land and upon that deadline, their land lease will be voided. 70% of the land in HK is undeveloped and they did not to so to keep prices high. A weak government and even a democratic one can never summon or gather the political will to do this….but an authoritarian state like China can.

    It is predictable that these protestors don’t understand economics and are actually fighting against the solution.

    • 回复: @Erebus
  386. Erebus 说:

    Question for d dan, denk, Chinaman and anyone else who can contribute…

    What do you make of reports that mainlanders have been spotted amongst the protestors in fairly large numbers? I find this quite puzzling.

    • 回复: @Chinaman
    , @denk
  387. Chinaman 说:
    @onebornfree

    What is this ? Are you trying to inform the commenters on the situation in HK via MSM ?

    Trying to brainwash A HKer, a bunch of Chinese and some informed white people?

    You will have better luck somewhere else.

  388. Chinaman 说:
    @Erebus

    Nah…I saw a crowd just yesterday chanting their slogans. You can pick up the accent immediately.

    It would be very easy to pick out a group of mainlander even if they didn’t speak. Their demeanour and their appearance are quite distinct from the locals. Well, even if they masked and I’m black, I guess you can still spot the diamond watch and balenciaga sneakers or Gucci loafers which HKer can’t afford. Haha

    If they did open their mouth, we will hear them from afar…There would have been fights immediately if they mingled with the rioters. That’s probably what happened at the airport.

  389. denk 说:
    @denk

    安娜玛利亚

    google makes it so easy for morons like
    onebornfreak, just enter uIghur, Tibet,
    Hong Kong, credit system…..you get pages after page of unverified 收费表, which morons like the freak present as ‘proof’.
    LOL,

    btw, one of his charge sheet has already been debunked in MOA.

  390. denk 说:
    @annamaria

    So the Texans want out eh ….
    aint holding my breath !

    There aint no more fire left in murikkano’s belly, all stuffed with junk food.

    更重要的是,
    They wont succeed cuz there aint no
    gawd damned murikkano embassy in
    华盛顿特区。

    呵呵呵

  391. Smith 说:
    @Ber

    Aksually, MOST lawmakers follow instructions from Beijing. For example, Carrier Lam:
    https://www.quora.com/Is-Carrie-Lam-not-allowed-to-resign-by-instruction-from-PRC

    The local oligarchs are also pro-Beijing since Beijing has more money than Hong Kong.
    重新发布:
    2. Rich people make an U-Turn AND SUPPORT the bill:
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/333397839_Digital_Representation_in_an_Electoral_Campaign_Influenced_by_Mainland_China_The_2017_Hong_Kong_Chief_Executive_Election
    https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3012230/fugitive-tycoon-joseph-lau-withdraws-legal-challenge

    It is funnier when pro-Beijing sources blame the oligarchs for the protest since the oligarchs are now pro-extradition bill (they have enough money and power to go out of Hong Kong if they want, the bill matters jack shit to them).

    • 回复: @Ber
  392. Smith 说:
    @Seraphim

    So China is once again stealing American technology to use on its own people!

    Wow, and China is the enemy of the US? Say it ain’t so!

  393. denk 说:
    @Seraphim

    How come we never heard about
    Puerto Rico independent movement these days ?

    Cuz Puerto Rico 自由战士 ‘terrarists’ are either dead
    or in jail !

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2003/05/01/cuba-and-puerto-rico/

  394. denk 说:
    @Erebus

    Dont have much info on that score.

    Too many distractions, too little time 🙁

  395. Smith 说:

    It turns out that it’s not an echo chamber and mainlanders also have beef with Beijing, just like the various protests going inside mainland China.

    But I’m pretty sure all is fine in the eastern front, and it’s just CIA agents buzzing off.

  396. Erebus 说:
    @Chinaman

    Agree wholeheartedly with all points, but especially with:

    This government structure and the one country 2 system have evolved to serve the oligarch’s interest and is actually at the core of the problem.

    HK’s elites, political and financial/economic let the people of HK down.

    3 decades ago, HK was making a LOT of money representing the Pearl River Delta to the world. That gravy train of easy money ground to a halt approx a decade ago as China went direct, and today HK finds itself with its nose pressed against the glass, watching an ascendant Shenzhen from a few hundred meters away.

    Much of the world recognized what China would become. Ironically, HK didn’t. Neither HK’s leadership, nor its people redefined themselves for a new role.

    Anyhow, when students & graduates of 1st class universities, carrying a daunting debt load desperately want opportunity, but find themselves working at a Fortress or Park ‘n Shop, sharing a 40sqM apartment with 3 friends, and with no visible future, there’s bound to be trouble.

    The question is whether HK’s elites understand the problem, and whether they have the political will to fix it. If they don’t, HK will return to its roots. If that happens, 2047 can’t come soon enough.

    • 回复: @Chinaman
  397. Smith 说:

    https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3025641/hong-kong-leader-carrie-lam-announce-formal-withdrawal

    Good news! Good news! The bill is formally withdrawn! The protesters can at least claim a victory and that Beijing has bent the knees.

    Now we await the fallout/silencing. Good luck to the brave protesters!

    • 回复: @Erebus
    , @onebornfree
  398. Wael Ahmad 说:

    香港的家庭黑鬼,世界各地的沙博斯人!

    • 回复: @Smith
  399. Ber 说:
    @Smith

    Carrie Lam not allowed to resign is another nonsensical propaganda attempt. Carrie Lam had already clarified her firm stance to stay in office.

    With great wealth comes great crimes, so the saying goes. There are bound to be some criminal tycoons in HKG that will fear extradition. Same with other criminals in the world who will also have a vested interest to keep HKG an oligarch crime haven. They too will fear extradition.

  400. Erebus 说:
    @Smith

    Great! Now one can murder, rape, rob and defraud in China, Taiwan, and several other Asian countries, then hightail it to HK to enjoy guaranteed immunity.

    There can surely be no greater freedom.

    • 回复: @Smith
    , @d dan
    , @Chinaman
  401. @Smith

    I wouldn’t get your hopes up. Even if true, most likely, the Chi-com filth will, at some time in the near future [ 6 months? A year?] , pull a false-flag psyop in HK that will give them the “justified” excuse they need to fully re-absorb HK ahead of 2047, because the mainland economy is going down the shithole right now,so they need to prop themselves up [at least temporarily]. via the direct theft of HK’s resources. And Taiwan will be next in line

    此致onebornfree

    • 回复: @Smith
  402. Smith 说:
    @Wael Ahmad

    谁是田野黑鬼?中国人?

    我以为中国禁止说唱音乐。

  403. @Seraphim

    Well, duh! I already knew that 🙂 .

    Commie China is a major global government/ New World Order test site – the exact same social credit system [largely based on facial recognition ] is going to be implemented nationwide in the US, in fact, its already started [in case you didn’t know ]:

    Evil tech giants planning China-style “social score” rollout across America; red-flagged people to be denied access to restaurants and public events:

    “…..In 2014, the Communist government implemented what it calls a “social credit system,” which is designed to ‘score’ citizens’ behavior. According to the government, the objective beyond the nationwide system, which is driven in large part by technology and surveillance, is to “allow the trustworthy to roam everywhere under heaven while making it hard for the discredited to take a single step.”

    And who are “the discredited?” Anyone who doesn’t conform to China’s authoritarian rule — and rules.

    While the social credit system remains a work in progress, it’s expected that by next year it will have evolved into a “single, nationwide point system for all Chinese citizens, akin to a financial credit score,” Fast Company reports.

    The scores will be used to take punitive — or worse — actions against citizens who don’t pay their debts, who belong to or take part in religious observances like Tibetan Buddhism, who smoke or play loud music while on trains, who fail to sweep the sidewalks in front of businesses or homes, or any number of other behaviors the government has deemed counterproductive to society.

    The website notes that punishments can range from minor to severe, such as banning travel outside………Now for the really bad news: That system is already under development in the United States and, in fact, in many ways it’s already being implemented……:”

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-09-03-tech-giants-planning-china-style-social-score-rollout-across-america.html

    “问候”无生

    • 回复: @Commentator Mike
  404. annamaria 说:
    @Smith

    You are indeed a skilled hasbarist. The fluidity of your writing styles is quite obvious.
    The funny thing is, you enjoy too much your cleverness and this self-enjoyment betrays you.

    • 回复: @Smith
  405. Smith 说:
    @annamaria

    Yeah, yeah, more accusation! Just like the CIA in Hong Kong! It’s always accusation but never proof.

    I have been called many names here for speaking the truthes and my opinions, so much for “alternative views”. Sorry, hon, but this is not a safe space.

    • 回复: @denk
  406. Smith 说:
    @Erebus

    Yeah, there is still jail in Hong Kong. Nice try.

    It’s funny Erebus think the extradition is not a legit grievance, UNTIL Hong Konger decide not to extradite to China.

    @ Ber
    Carrie Lam affirms that AFTER the tape has come out, who knew what how Beijing handled her?

    Meanwhile, all the big oligarchs in China (HK included) can already migrate to America without problem, there’s NO reason to assume they have any reason to fear extradition to China at all, and there are cases where China just simply naps a guy in HK and that’s it, no need for any bill.

    • 回复: @Erebus
  407. Smith 说:
    @onebornfree

    I mean, the kids in HK already see the boots from China. I’m glad that this protest is mostly youngsters, it means the newest generation already sees how China is gonna treat them, before 2047 even happens.

    Either ways, I don’t think China is going to risk a hot conflict in HK, out for PR reason, they want their BRI scam to still be going on after all.

  408. Erebus 说:
    @Smith

    It’s funny Erebus think the extradition is not a legit grievance, UNTIL Hong Konger decide not to extradite to China.

    If Hong Kong extradites to the US and UK, where the hope of a fair trial is almost whimsical (ask Assange & Irving) why would they refuse to extradite to TW, PH, CN, etc?
    – Do you think that murderers such as the HK-er who murdered his pregnant girlfriend in TW, or PH drug gangsters/terrorists/human traffickers, or corrupt Chinese should be immune to prosecution, because they managed to escape to HK?
    – Is that what the HK protestors think is synonymous with “freedom”?
    – Is immunity for international criminals what they’re fighting for?

    Frankly, I doubt it, but if “extradition is a legit grievance” like it seems to be in your alleged brain, HK is heading straight back to what it was. Or 更坏.

  409. China Unloads Troops & Cargo Into Hong Kong From Giant Ship Amidst Rumors of Crackdown:

    “A huge Chinese cargo ship has unloaded troops and vehicles into Hong Kong amidst rumors of a military crackdown on protesters.

    “The ship in question, Chang Da Long, is a 140.5m-long vehicle carrier,” reports Shephard Media. “It arrived at Stonecutters Island at 17:36 on 28 August and, after unloading its cargo, departed by 23:19. In total, the 19,864t vessel was berthed at the PLA naval base for 5.5h.”

    Authorities claim that the ship is part of the routine annual rotation of PLA troops and equipment PLA Hong Kong Garrison. However, while road convoys are a regular sight, “the presence of a conscripted civilian cargo vessel has never been observed before,” according to the report…”

    “……Chinese state media news channel CCTV broadcast images of hundreds of troops disembarking the vessel as well as Dongfeng EQ2050 4×4 tactical vehicles driving along the naval base quay.

    “Should President Xi Jinping decide enough is enough and that the communist party’s military must take over from Hong Kong’s beleaguered police, such a hidden force could be mobilised to strike hard and decisively,” according to the report.

    Experts suggest that if Beijing is to impose a brutal crackdown, it will occur before October 1st, which is the 70th anniversary of the founding of Communist China.”:

    https://www.newswars.com/china-unloads-troops-cargo-into-hong-kong-from-giant-ship-amidst-rumors-of-crackdown/

    问候,无胎

  410. denk 说:
    @Smith

    Yeah, yeah, more accusation! Just like the CIA in Hong Kong! It’s always accusation but never proof.

    NED aka CIA sponsorship of HK opposition has been an open secret.
    YOu must be the only one who miss it.

    • 回复: @Smith
  411. d dan 说:
    @Erebus

    “Great! Now one can murder, rape, rob and defraud in China, Taiwan, and several other Asian countries, then hightail it to HK to enjoy guaranteed immunity.”

    Very sad day indeed for Hong Kong and the world. Carrie Lam is too weak for the post.

  412. denk 说:

    To see how stupid onebornfreak is,

    图表A.

    onebornfreak
    ‘In western China, there’s a growing network of what journalists, former inmates, and the U.S. government are calling “concentration camps”

    哇,
    The presstitudes, alleged former inmates and uncle
    scam….the three amigoes that’s responsible for
    the top 100 hoax of the century. !

    ROFLMAO!

  413. Chinaman 说:
    @Erebus

    The joke is that Hker should celebrate the withdrawal of the bill by murdering Joshua Wong, Jimmy Lai and all the democrats in Taiwan ( given how often they travel there) and coming back to HK like heros with impunity

    Given how hard they thought for it, these freedom fighters should be the first beneficiaries of the bill’s withdrawal. Everyone is happy.

    • 回复: @Smith
  414. Chinaman 说:
    @Erebus

    Yes, it is sad and the sense of hopelessness and desperation is what drove a lot of these kids on the street. HK have bore the full brunt of the labour arbitrage because it shares a border with China. The whole economy have been hollowed out to specialised in finance and tourism.

    I just can’t see how they can save HK by destroy it. How democracy and freedom can save HK from its economic destiny.

    We will find out soon since the Chinese tourists ain’t coming anymore. The knock on effects to the economy will be brutal.

  415. @onebornfree

    Commie China is a major global government/ New World Order test site

    Quite possible. It would be great if there were a global revolution against NWO but Chinks who wave British and US flags while protesting against their own government aren’t part of it. At least the yellow vests wave the French tricolor and not foreign flags. This surely distinguishes the traitors from the patriots for those who think these two movements have much in common.

    • 回复: @Smith
  416. Smith 说:
    @denk

    Faulty logic. The fact you can’t expect a fair trial in the US, UK doesn’t mean you can expect a fair trial in TH, PH and China. Doubt me? Assange cannot get political asylum in Beijing.

    – No, and there is jail in Hong Kong, the murderers can be jailed there, but instead you want to extradite them to China jail, what for? Isn’t Hong Kong’s jail a part of China’s jail?
    – Yes, they are, because they are Hong Kongers, and Hong Kong has their own jail and legal system, at least until 2047.
    – No? They are fighting for their own autonomy.

    Yeah, I think you have a problem with strawman and bad argument and the filmsy case of US/UK = bad thus Beijing = GOOD.

    @登克
    Open secret thus you must have proof of it? Provide it then?

    • 回复: @Erebus
  417. Smith 说:
    @Commentator Mike

    Oh please, you realize the Hong Kongers also wave the Hong Kong colonial flags right?

    This is like saying waving the Confederate flags are traitors. You are falling for Beijing’s talking point.

  418. Smith 说:
    @Chinaman

    I don’t agree with J. Wong, J. Lai and the democrats in Taiwan, but you sound quite mad there, chicomman.

  419. Smith 说:

    Also, for ALL information. The Yellow Vest also adapted a modified American flag as their symbolic flag.

    Does this mean Yellow Vests are traitors and are CIA-backed?

    Beijing’s narrative is FALLING, and hard.

    People, keep posting and dismantling Beijing’s talking points, they are so easy to do so since all of their points boil down to:
    – extradition to US/UK = BAD, extradition to China = GOOD, never mind BOTH are bad, proof: Assange COULD not have gotten political asylum in Beijing nor the China embassy in Britain.
    – muh US flags/UK flags = traitors, never mind the Yellow Vests movement who is supported here ALSO brandish (modified) US flag.
    – muh CIA is backing HK protesters, despite NO PROOF OF SUCH CASE. Their smoking gun Jimmy Jai has retired from politics and has no hands in the current protests.

    Then you will get to case like Chicomman, who whines about “violence and barbarism” from the protesters, but instantly advocates for murdering people when the bill’s withdrawn. Shit’s wack, THERE are paid Beijing shills here meant to muddy the discussion who advocates for conformity in one hand and purge in the other.

    • 回复: @Chinaman
    , @Seraphim
  420. Erebus 说:
    @Smith

    错误的逻辑。

    Error. Yours is the faulty logic.

    – Given that US/UK/etc, are no more fair than CN/TW/PH/etc, and…
    – Given that HK has an extradition treaty with US/UK/etc and can and has extradited its citizens to those countries for crimes they committed there, and…
    – Given that some of those countries (eg: Canada) can and have extradited their citizens to CN for crimes committed there (except that Cdn law prohibits extradition if the penalties for the crime in question include execution)
    – There can be no legitimate reason for HK to deny extradition to CN/TW/PH.

    Simply really.

    Had you actually read the proposed law, or at least read about it, you’d know that the categories of crimes that qualified for extradition were closely defined, and every one of those crimes are also crimes under HK law. Ergo, there is simply no legitimate argument one can posit in objection.

    … there is jail in Hong Kong, the murderers can be jailed there…

    不,他们不能。

    HK courts, like courts everywhere (except the US) do not claim jurisdiction outside their borders. Very simply, there are no legal means by which a crime committed in a foreign land can be brought to trial except by treaty.

    Put another way, murder is murder in HK only if it is committed in HK, or in a country with whom it is treaty bound to so recognize it. If it happened in TW, then as far as the HK courts are concerned, no crime was committed. Had he murdered his pregnant girlfriend in the US/UK/CA/etc, HK would be treaty bound to recognize the crime and extradite, but as far as the HK legal system is concerned, TW/CN/PH/etc are free fire zones.

    你现在明白了吗?

    • 回复: @Smith
  421. Smith 说:
    @Erebus

    No, there IS a legitimate reason to deny extradition to China, especially when the way current FOO bill allows extradition to China/Taiwan AS SPECIAL SURRENDER, and the document for Extradition can be admitted WITHOUT FURTHER PROOF, while the document AGAINST it cannot be.

    Most of the bill’s shortcomings can be found here:
    http://www.hklawsoc.org.hk/pub_c/news/submissions/20190605.pdf

    And I can prove without a single doubt that this has nothing to do with the murderer in Taiwan case: the government of Taiwan has repeatedly tried to negotiate with the government of Hong Kong to solve this case, but again, the government of Hong Kong refuses to respond to Taiwanese help, but instead just try to force this FOO bill. So what’s this? It’s Beijing forcing the pro-China HK government to go through the Bill, using the murder as an excuse, never mind that the crime happens in Taiwan, NOT China!

    I have gotten it, and I have always gotten it. It’s you who try to obfuscate the problem with Beijing’s forcing through this bill.

  422. Smith 说:

    And to put it to rest:
    https://news.yahoo.com/taiwan-wont-ask-murder-suspect-hk-passes-extradition-050405150.html

    Taiwan has come out and say they will not ask for the murderer in that case, because Taiwan doesn’t want to risk potential extradition to China.

    So yeah, a Hong Konger criminal committed a crime in Taiwan, is now gonna be solved by Beijing I guess because neither sides want this sorry ass excuse as precedent for shipping people to China.

    Law and Order! Law and Order!

  423. Chinaman 说:
    @Smith

    It Oh, come on…where is your sense of humour? I said It is a joke that is circulating around HK. I didn’t make it up but I thought it is quite funny and logical, don’t you ?

    That was what started all this and it is always best to give ppl a taste of their own medicine.

    Should we all meet up in Taiwan?

    • 回复: @Smith
  424. Smith 说:
    @Chinaman

    That’s the second time you say it’s a prank bro! I would have a laugh if it isn’t the goddamn line towed by Beijing shills, and no, I don’t think even J. Wong and his pussy brigade advocates killing the Beijing elites (but I support it!).

    And nah, Taiwan doesn’t need anymore Beijing shill.

  425. Seraphim 说:
    @Smith

    It is the flag of Bretagne (Brittany):
    “It is called the Gwenn-ha-du, pronounced [ɡwɛnaˈdyː], which means white and black in Breton. It is also unofficially used in the département of Loire-Atlantique although this now belongs to the Pays de la Loire and not to the région of Brittany, as the territory of Loire-Atlantique is historically part of the province of Brittany. Nantes (Naoned), its préfecture, was once one of the two capital cities of Brittany. The flag was created in 1923 by Morvan Marchal… The nine horizontal stripes represent the traditional dioceses of Brittany into which the duchy was divided historically. The five black stripes represent the French or Gallo speaking dioceses of Dol, Nantes, Rennes, Saint-Malo and Saint-Brieuc; the four white stripes represent the Breton speaking dioceses of Trégor, Léon, Cornouaille and Vannes. The ermine canton recalls the arms of the Duchy of Brittany.
    The flag first came to notice by a wider public at the Exposition Internationale des Arts Décoratifs et Industriels Modernes in Paris in 1925. It was adopted by various cultural and nationalist groups through the 1920s and 1930s. However, its association with nationalist and separatist groups during the Second World War brought suspicions of collaboration on the flag. A revival of interest in the flag took place in the 1960s. Since then, it has mostly lost an association with separatism in the mind of the public and become a widely accepted symbol for all Brittany and Bretons. The older ermine field flag and black cross continue to be rarely used, though, by some individuals and groups.
    In blazons, the flag is Sable, four bars Argent; the canton ermine. Traditionally, coats of arms could be displayed as a rectangular banner, as well as on a shield”.
    Its display by the Yellow Vests means only that their bearers were from Bretagne.

    • 回复: @Smith
  426. Chinaman 说:

    Since we have so much disinformation and fake news in the comments. As a HKer, I feel obligated to set the record straight. Below is from a HKer’s perspective and not some BS from MSM:

    Please MUST READ to better understand the Black Shirts。 I have and do believe there are so many underlying issues in this RIOTING。They have been heavily Sedated by DRUGS and easily freely available women。 Poisoned with deep hatred by these syndicates Blinding their senses…….. UNDERCOVER IN HONG KONG: BEHIND BLACKSHIRT LINES

    Why are so many young Hong Kongers so angry? Why do they hate China so much — despite HK under Beijing’s sovereignty being visibly freer and more democratic than it ever was under the British? What makes their frontline rioters so violent, in zombie-like fashion? What really motivates them?

    The following account is circulating in various online platforms. It is purportedly by someone who joined the blackshirts for two months and observed them close-up. The observations seem to tally with other assessments, direct and indirect.

    After two months of undercover contact, I was able to fathom some of the blackshirts’ thinking. It had been hard for me to gain admission into their ranks and get accepted. But after shouting some slogans with them and badmouthing the government, I passed the test and became a blackshirt. Even so, I discovered surprising things after I began to understand the mentality of the rioters.

    {Most of the young blackshirts look moderate, with some sporting innocent smiles. How could such people have mustered the courage to play the dangerous adult sport of street rioting? It turns out that the blackshirts have a great need to be recognized by others. Without the riots, they wouldn’t have made one another’s acquaintance.} They would have spent their adolescence as home-bound boys and girls. Working long hours, their parents neglected family communication. But after joining the rioters’ corps, these homely youngsters received much “peer” recognition.

    Their extreme need for such approval isn’t something the pro-establishment camp understands. Having passed their youth, establishmentarians carefully weigh consequences before taking action.

    As for the kids, they encourage and care for each other. The guys soon become comrades in arms, while guys and girls become lovers. Some young women offer themselves freely, especially to those who fought the police so valiantly on the front lines. Previously girl-shy young men now find themselves embraced, even by well-born, well-to-do women they wouldn’t have dreamed of approaching. 《Fame, sex and peer recognition are powerful spurs to ever more heroic exertions on the battlefield. At the start of each riot, groups of three to five pep-talk one another. Core members can enjoy “drug treatment.” Organizers hand out drugs said to numb the nerves, the better to withstand blows from police batons.》

    I often ask them about their political goals. But apart from shouting slogans about the “five demands” and other issues, they seldom discuss political issues. This applies even to their iconic “double universal suffrage” (chief executive and legislature) and “anti-extradition to China.” At first I thought it strange: blackshirts who are sacrificing themselves to politics being reluctant to discuss politics. Rather, their conversations most often center on racist comments about new immigrants and other Chinese mainlanders. For example, their supposedly uncivilized behavior, and how the newcomers “robbed” local resources.

    Only after nearly two months’ association with the blackshirts did I grasp a second reason for their rioting. They want recognition from the world at large.

    They believe that Hong Kong people be differentiate themselves from Chinese mainlanders. They are especially concerned about how the world views Hong Kongers. They do not wish to be “degraded” by others within a single sovereign framework. It may sound ridiculous, but underlying these kids’ drive for Hong Kong independence is a deep concern about … face. Of course, the fuse must be lit for the explosive to go off. And the extradition bill provided the fuse that was lit by the instigators behind the scenes.

    Sadly, in raising the stakes so high, these face-conscious youngsters were lethally abetted by the rise of social-media platforms. On Facebook is so much distortion and incitement to hatred against the Chinese people, as well as endless disinformation. Well-known anti-China writers unconscionably spread their black propaganda. This generation of young Hong Kongers has been hard-brainwashed to become Nazis. Such notions as compassion and diversity are swept aside. Their hearts are full of hatred, the kind that breaches the bottom lines of human nature. If these brainwashed youngsters had the power to wage war against the Chinese mainland, they would kill unblinkingly, like the Japanese aggressors of old.

    I came across another “coincidence” about the blackshirt rioters. Many of their frontline warriors were surnamed Nguyen. It’s well known that there are hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese and their descendants in Hong Kong. [Formerly from anti-communist South Vietnam, they had come to Hong Kong as refugees in the late 1970s. Nguyen is a common Vietnamese surname]. As it happened, the first to clamor for “Hong Kong independence” had come from their ranks. They indeed were not Chinese. Together with other They came to regard themselves as Hong Kongers (Hong Kongese) and not Hong Kong Chinese.

    It dawned on me that the biggest spark for war is not political disputes but racial or ethnic hatred. Hitler incited the Germans to hate the Jews, then rose to power in Germany and waged war against Europe. The Japanese labeled the Chinese the “Sick Man of East Asia” to launch aggression against China. Trump incited racial hatred and successfully became president of the United States. Conflicts too have been fueled in Europe, the Middle East and Africa by the incitement of ethnic animosities. Seizing on this point, anti-China forces in Hong Kong have incessantly demonized and incited hatred towards the Chinese among local youth for their own political ends.

    My hearts sinks further with every paragraph I write. Political disputes can be resolved through the search for common ground. But ethnic hatred is hard to eradicate, as it’s like poison seeping into the brain. Only when the disease is identified can proper medicine be prescribed. I have glimpsed the affliction, but have no idea what the right medicine is. I hope we can work together to find a cure for the hatred infecting our young people, before it is too late.

    • 回复: @Smith
    , @Smith
    , @Commentator Mike
  427. Smith 说:
    @Chinaman

    Most of protesters are peaceful, with only the violent ones being possibly agent provocateurs or too passionate.

    And nobody hate the chinese except the Beijing government.

    The idea of this persecution complex where Hong Konger hate chinese is nonsensical, they just hate their city being invaded by mainlanders and their autonomy being slowly chipped away (which are TRUE FACTS).

    And still blaming the dastardly vietnamese, are we?

    • 回复: @Chinaman
  428. Smith 说:
    @Seraphim

    Consider myself corrected. I admit I didn’t know this.

  429. “The verdict is in: Hong Kong chief executive Carrie Lam’s attempt to pacify furious pro-democracy protesters by fully withdrawing the extradition bill that inspired the at-times-violent protests hasn’t worked. Protesters took to the streets Wednesday night (local time) shortly after Lam withdrew the bill, and more rallies are scheduled for this weekend, including another sit-in at Hong Kong International Airport, which – if the recent past is any guide – will likely turn violent.

    An editorial in the Communist Party-controlled China Daily (via Reuters) warned that protesters have “no excuse” to continue the violent rallies after the “olive branch” from Beijing. And adding to the confusion surrounding the situation, the home of media tycoon Jimmy Lai was attacked early Thursday by two masked men who hurled firebombs before speeding off on a motorbike…….”

    “…..Protesters have insisted that the government must meet all five of their demands. The four others are: retraction of the word “riot” to describe protests, release of all 1,100+ demonstrators who have been arrested, an independent inquiry into perceived police brutality and the right for Hong Kong people to choose their own leaders….”:

    Masked Men Firebomb Home Of Hong Kong Media Tycoon:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-09-05/masked-men-firebomb-home-hong-kong-media-tycoon

    此致onebornfree

  430. Smith 说:
    @Chinaman

    Man, this wall of text is hilarious when I read it carefully.

    Top text: How dare the young Hong Konger rally up together, both boys and girls, how dare they unite to fight against an invaders that want to replace their culture and ethnicity (the mainlanders), that’s racist, that’s ethnic hatred, that’s so bad dude. Muh Hitler, muh japs, muh Trump….

    Bottom text: Actually, look at these south Vietnamese though, they are the ones causing problems, he he he.

    Chicomman, I wouldn’t wish to have you as an ally if SHTF, you would be the first one crying about how pitiable and sympathetic the enemies are while criticizing your own force.

    When the fuck will you book a flight to America and leave China and Hong Kong the fuck alone?

  431. @Chinaman

    And one of the two most ardent supporters of the Hong Kong black shirts on UR, a Mr. Smith, claims to be a Vietnamese. Coincidence? If a clampdown happens, let’s see if these Viet troublemakers and ringleaders will be singled out for the harshest treatment. The authorities have had sufficient time to gather intelligence on any such fake Hong Kongers descended from former refugees and asylum seekers ungrateful for having been granted sanctuary in the city and who would now drag others down with themselves. Maybe they will be made to pay for this and not get away lightly. We’ll see soon enough, although the western MSM will put its own anti-PR China spin whatever happens.

    • 回复: @d dan
    , @Chinaman
  432. The Chinese economy, [aka”the Chinese Miracle”] is currently in free-fall, and may well fully collapse in the near future. [i.e. 1 to 10years].

    This might well be the primary reason why it is now “grasping at straws”[ such as the complete takeover of the the Hong Kong economy], well before the agreed on 2047 takeover date, in order to try to keep the Chi-Coms totalitarian dictatorial power structure afloat for a little longer, and to try to stave off the inevitable complete collapse of the Chinese economy, which must/will happen if China continues on its present [hard-core Communist], anti-free market, anti- human agenda of total control of its population under the “guidance”of the mad/idiot communist and murderous dictator Xi and his sycophantic enablers.

    The only way to reverse this coming complete collapse of the Chinese economy is for the Chinese government to fully revert to [at the very least!] , the slightly more free-market economic policies of Deng Xiaoping : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xioping .

    正是这些[稍微更加自由的市场]经济政策直接导致了现在所谓的“中国奇迹”],仅仅是因为个人的更多自由总是会导致整个社会更加富裕。

    The “Chinese miracle” directly instigated via the economic reforms and policies of Deng Xiaoping are a perfect demonstration of this principle [ i.e. more economic and personal freedom brings about a wealthier society] .

    但像习近平这样的白痴和经济文盲无法理解这一点[或者他们只是不在乎,只要他们能够继续“合法”掠夺普通民众并通过这样做保持富裕]。

    Since the demise of Xiaoping, China has [idiotically]reverted to the exact same economic policies that he had previously largely eliminated; idiotic [i.e hard-core communist]policies which had, prior to Xiaoping, previously mired China in economic poverty and stagnation for many years.

    中国经济——靠借来的时间生存!

    The return [under Xi] of anti-freedom, hard-core communist, pre-Xiaoping economic policies means that China is currently living on borrowed time and must collapse at some point in time, and probably quite soon.

    事实:The more that the power mad commies at the top react to this ongoing collapse via even more top-down, centralized control measures, [i.e. “doubling down”] the faster, and the worse that economic collapse will be.

    Since power-mad megalomaniacs like Xi and his ilk are incapable of learning either through education, history, or via direct experience, I expect the collapse of the “Chinese miracle” to continue unabated, and for it to actually accelerate, as the mainland Chinese communist economic illiterates running the show literally double down on their highly destructive policies of even less economic freedom and even more control of the Chinese population.

    Many people in Hong Kong probably already know and understand at least part of this [above] ; if not, at the very least, many seem to intuitively understand that a Chinese takeover of Hong Kong ensures far less freedom for everyone living there.

    That [i.e. less freedom for everyone in Hong Kong], is ultimately what this is all about, as far as I can see.

    The Stefan Molyneux video below explains in more detail exactly why totalitarian, top down economic planning will 时刻 fail to bring about a higher standard of living for the “average Joe” , and why such systems always collapse, to the direct detriment of “the average Joe”, whether that “Joe” is Chinese, Russian, German, British, French, American,Vietnamese, or whatever :

    “Problems In China”:

    此致onebornfree

  433. d dan 说:
    @Commentator Mike

    It is quite obvious that “Smith” is not a typical reader in the west. Consider the followings:

    1. The speed that he replies to others.
    2. The amounts of info (fake or otherwise) he can garner.
    3. The enthusiasm he has shown in this topic.

    Yes, Internet is full of trash, and it is not difficult to notice them.

    • 同意: Commentator Mike, annamaria
    • 回复: @annamaria
  434. denk 说:
    @Smith

    Oh wow, look at those CIAnigger kids in Hong Kong school.

    YOu aint that daft ?

    These are the classic ‘蜂拥而至的‘ exploited and used by MI6/CIA in various color rev since that TAM destabilization.

    Guess what did they learn in class rooms about their own country?

    A sample from text book vetted [sic] by the occupy central ring leaders….

    *China is a dictatorship that threatens world peace..[sic].

    China military expenditure is rising sharply , its lack of transparency pose a threat to world peace. [sic]

    China has border disputes with all of its neighbors, this might lead to war one day [sic]

    等等等等等等…

    OMFG,
    its a virtual 复制和粘贴 job from the fukus bullhorn…!
    so This is how they brainwashed three gen of HK kids.

    is it any wonder they have become the vanguard of these protests ?

    • 回复: @Smith
  435. Smith 说:
    @denk

    Yeah man, these kids are brainwashed?

    Me, I ain’t brainwashed, I know everything, after all, I trust China’s MSM 100% and everything else is literally CIA.

    And the border disputes things are literally true, and neither MSM of either sides (East or West) condemn it.

    @ Commentator Mike & d dan
    What’s next? Invading Vietnam to put down the nefarious vietnamese posting on the internet?

    After all, being knowledgeable about politics IS a sin in Unz, a supposed alternative site, lawl.

    • 回复: @Commentator Mike
  436. @Smith

    No Mr. Smith. If China attacked Vietnam I’d side with Viets, and if there were to be a Chinese fifth column in such a case I’d expect the Viets to come down hard on them. Hong Kong is China’s internal affair.

    • 回复: @Smith
  437. annamaria 说:
    @d dan

    If you read several posts of the alleged “Vietnamese Smith,” you would immediately notice stylistic variations that cancel the ethnic pretense. Moreover, the “Vietnamese Smith” enjoys showing his/her cleverness at pretending to be Asian.
    It is not clear what makes him/her play the dishonest game. But it is quite possible that the ADL et al’ vicious hatred of UnzReview has been transduced into a paid littering on this forum.

    • 回复: @d dan
  438. Chinaman 说:
    @Smith

    I am a HKer. I was born and bred here. I speak the language. My friends and family are HKer. I witness the protests everyday and is affected by it.

    The riots happens 15 minutes from my home.

    I meet protestors and anti protestors everyday

    My cousin is one of the violent rioters currently hiding in Taiwan!

    Then, you, one of the descendants of boat people we kindly took in and a bunch of white guys who might have never step foot in HK…profess to know more about the protest than I DO and try to EXPLAIN to me what the protest is about ?

    It is a sign of the times and the madness of world we live in.

  439. Chinaman 说:
    @Commentator Mike

    I am a bit skeptical of the Boat people narrative but there are many individual groups in the protestors with the only thing uniting them being the five demands so it is logical that these Vietnamese fifth column would identify with the far right separatist, independence movement.

    Few HKer would say “I am not Chinese”. That would be a total denial of their roots and identity and a false statement. But it would make sense in the Boat people’s case since they are really not Chinese!

  440. Smith 说:
    @Commentator Mike

    Oh okay, you see the problem comes when China invades Vietnam using the excuse of protecting their own 5th collumn/expats/ethnic chinese currently in Vietnam, the same excuse Russia used in Crimea.

    And to be clear, Hong Kong is Hong Kong’s own affair since they are an autonomous region, the problem comes when Beijing tries to influence Hong Kong.

    And as of the protest today on 6 September 2019, I think the protesters should call a quit. China already backs down and the protesters have already gained legitimacy. To continue with further unrealistic demands (such as abolishing the police, which might be psyop from China agent provocateurs) will severly damage the reputation of the protesters.

    Now it is time to re-organize, arm up and become/join legitimate political forces, not causing troubles on the street and losing the legitimacy/victory they have gained.

    I wash my hand off this protest as of today. It should only flare up again if the bill is still not withdrawn in 9 September 2019.

    Good luck to Hong Kong and its brave people.

    @安娜玛丽亚

    I am still waiting for the proof that I am not vietnamese. Are you gonna bark all days?

  441. Smith 说:

    Your anecdotes are cute but reality shows the MAJORITY of protesters are peaceful, with violent incidents being minor and overblown (mostly physical beating, no cop or mainlander supporter has died), in fact, I have seen more cops beating people than the reverse in video footages, and the cops are always better equipped.

    And no, I’m not the descendant of the vietnamese living in Hong Kong, I’m born in Vietnam and have stayed here all my life.

    Chinese are boat people too, in fact, there are many chinese in Vietnam, from ancient times to now as expat workers/slaves of Chinese contractors. And vietnamese are in fact very worried of this, because China can use them as excuses to invade Vietnam.

    I assure you, Vietnam has more chinese than Hong Kong having vietnamese, you are blaming freaking vietnamese for a Beijing’s problem.

    • 回复: @DB Cooper
    , @Erebus
  442. d dan 说:
    @annamaria

    Whether Smith is of Vietnamese ethnic is NOT important. The more important point being that he is likely a paid employee of some group. Notice he is calling the protesters to stand down now – which is consistent with the interest (i.e. to kill the bill) of many foreign groups.

    • 同意: annamaria
    • 回复: @Smith
  443. Smith 说:
    @d dan

    Yeah, man, it has nothing to do with the fact that the bill is proven to be bullshit and is built on a false premise (muh murderer in Taiwan, which Taiwan police contacted HK govt for special solution but got ignored in favor of a Beijing-backed bill).

    It’s a proven legit grievance, unlike stuff like abolishing the police, which is straight down Beijing’s talking point to smear the protesters.

  444. Smith 说:

    Can Chicomman, denk, d dan explain the behaviours of those police?

    Turns out they are actually really violent, much more than the protesters.

    Brutal beating on 31/08/2019: https://www(dot)reddit(dot)com/r/HongKong/comments/d0pi1h/reupload_of_the_alleged_murder_on_3108/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

    Police straight out planting evidence on perp already downed: https://www(dot)reddit(dot)com/r/HongKong/comments/d0avcf/hong_kong_police_plant_evidence_to_citizen_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

    The Pro-Beijing protesters seem to be even more clueless than the protesters: https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=UkRpJ5UCN40&fbcl

    Yeah, it’s leddit but whatever.

    People here whine about how there’s too much media exposure on this protest by western media, but I don’t see those clips played on CNN 24/7.

    • 回复: @Commentator Mike
    , @Erebus
  445. @Smith

    史密斯,

    And would those cops be any less violent if they were trained by US, French, or Israeli police? Anyway I think they were trained by the Brits and not PR China.

    OK, we all have our pet loves and hates here but why are you as a Viet living in Vietnam so concerned about this situation in Hong Kong? Or Russia’s annexation of Crimea, or did I get it wrong and you never actually expressed any misgivings about that – I can’t quite remember who wrote what in so many comments I go through? Perhaps you are trying to stand up for certain principles and fair enough, but I can’t see that Vietnamese authorities would react any differently if they were faced with a similar mass protest, especially if it was being supported, if not even instigated, by US.

    • 回复: @Smith
  446. Erebus 说:
    @Smith

    It’s a proven legit grievance…

    So, does that mean that an extradition treaty with China/Taiwan/Macao/etc that follows similar principles to those HK has with US/UK/etc would be acceptable to the protestors?

  447. Smith 说:
    @Commentator Mike

    Yeah, the point is that they are violent, regardless of where they come from, HK China,, Israel, US, Germany, France. I don’t make excuses for cops beating little kids.

    And yeah, if vietnamese authorities were beating up vietnamese protesters against China, I would be having the same comments, because it’s the same dumb shit. Cops need to be pointed out where they have stepped out of line.

    Either ways, Beijing talking point is there is western media bias against China, YET the actual clips of Hong Kong cops being super violent/doing illegal shit to protesters are not shown 24/7 in CNN, that means something is up. It seems BOTH the east and west cover their shit in HK.

    @厄瑞巴斯

    I don’t know, I can’t read mind thousand kilometers away, but I don’t think either Hong Kong or Taiwan want to risk it. This is the equivalence of “necessity of gun laws because someone did a mass shooting”in America, it’s going to be deeply unpopular no matter you try to make it similar to laws in other countries.

    • 回复: @Erebus
  448. DB Cooper 说:
    @Smith

    FYI Vietnam is occupying several Chinese islands in the SCS as we speak. You should be grateful that China is Vietnam’s neighbors and not other countries.

  449. Erebus 说:
    @Smith

    … I can’t read mind thousand kilometers away…

    In aggregate, your comments suggest that you can.

    Leaving that aside, would it constitute a “legitimate grievance” in your view if they didn’t?

    • 回复: @Smith
  450. Smith 说:
    @Erebus

    Can you tell which islands?

    On my side, China is occupying and militarizing multiple islands of Vietnam and the maritime territory of Vietnam.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands#Early_records_and_cartography

    And we have HISTORICAL claims to these islands: https://www.quora.com/Are-Vietnam%E2%80%99s-bases-to-claim-islands-in-South-China-Sea-reliable

    @厄瑞巴斯

    到底是什么

    And in my opinion, if the people don’t want it, then that’s it. China should look into themselves on why HKer and Taiwanese don’t want a treaty with them.

    But the impression of mainlanders abroad show that everything we need to know, mainlanders are very thuggish.

    • 回复: @Erebus
  451. Erebus 说:
    @Smith

    I’m not the descendant of the vietnamese living in Hong Kong, I’m born in Vietnam and have stayed here all my life.

    Well, except for that 2.5 yr stint in Miami, right Justin? I guess that’s how you mastered your uncannily American English, by talking to Brazilians.

    How, one wonders, did a Vietcong come to be working for a Brazilian co. in Miami and develop such an uncanny opinion of both Americans and Brazilians. And why, one wonders, did such an exceptional fellow go back to VN. Perhaps he found a calling in explaining Americans (and Brazilians) to the Vietnamese.

    By the way, how’s that little boy Dylan of yours doing nowadays? He’s gotta be 13 now. Is he still in the States? Perhaps with your mom?

    Methinks you’re a liar, Mr. Smith.

    • 回复: @Smith
  452. Erebus 说:
    @Smith

    Can you tell which islands?

    You’ve misplaced this reply. I never mentioned any islands.

    到底是什么

    By telling us in so much detail what the 暴徒 want, without having been anywhere near any of them.

    And in my opinion, if the people don’t want it, then that’s it.

    You’ve misunderstood my query. I wanted to know your opinion on the 合法 of a bill that allowed extradition to TW/CN/MO on the same terms & conditions as the US/UK/etc, whatever the people of HK/TW/MO felt about it. IOW, is what’s good for the goose also good for the gander?

    China should look into themselves on why HKer and Taiwanese don’t want a treaty with them.

    They need not look long. 90% (rhetorically speaking) of the reason is that they’ve been propagandized into thinking so by their grotesquely corrupt elites who’re deathly afraid of being tried in CN for their crimes.

    Knowing both HK & TW (not MO) quite well, I’d say virtually none of the ordinary people have a clue or care about what extradition actually means in real life. In HK, the ordinary man in the street thinks the riots are all about the economy and prospects for young people.

    BTW, all of the TW businessmen I’ve had the conversation with think that re-unification with China is both inevitable and desirable. Primarily because the CN govts are seen as much less corrupt and capricious than TW. I haven’t had the conversation with HK businessmen, though I spend much more time there than TW, so can’t comment on HK. Of course, in HK’s case re-unification is inevitable regardless of what the elites and people think, so there’s not much to talk about.

    • 回复: @Smith
  453. @Daemon

    You’re fucking hilarious Chen. Don’t ever change.

    FYI, you really should have killed this guy when you had the chance:

    Published on: October 26th, 2018 • Duration: 56 minutes

    Kyle Bass sits down with infamous Chinese businessman Guo Wengui, also known as known as “Miles Kwok,” to hear a series of shocking accusations and predictions revolving around the Chinese government. Kwok provides his perception of the backstory behind several recent high-profile news items, and touches on the Chinese government’s management of the economy. He also unfurls an alarming forecast about Alibaba co-founder Jack Ma. Filmed on October 5, 2018 at an undisclosed location.

    https://www.realvision.com/tv/shows/the-kyle-bass-interviews/videos/the-kyle-bass-interviews-the-billionaire-chinese-dissident

  454. Smith 说:
    @Erebus

    So what’s this? Because I can speak English well, I’m now a brazillian?

    Also that Justin “Smith” is not me, Smith is not a uncommon name.

    • 回复: @Erebus
  455. Smith 说:
    @Erebus

    I was asking D.B Cooper, wrong quoting.

    Anyway, first off.
    The HK’s protest is well-covered by independent Hong Kongers, their demands have been solidified and have been repeated many times to avoid infiltration from CCP.

    Second, it doesn’t matter if the law is the same as the UK/US, it depends on if the people i.e. Hong Kongers WANT it or not. China is not the same country as UK/US, and Hong Konger and Taiwan don’t like China. China should look into WHY the people don’t like China instead of blaming CIA every times like with the US and the russians.

    Third, it doesn’t matter if EVERY BUSINESS MEN in Hong Kong and Taiwan want re-integration. Business men are country sellers, if you follow their every whims, you would end up selling everything you have. The only side you should follow is Nationalists, so for Hong Kong, Hong Kong nationalist and no one else. Also, keep repeating that lie, the business men in HK support extradition in China!

    • 回复: @Erebus
  456. Erebus 说:
    @Smith

    Also that Justin “Smith” is not me…

    Ah, but on this site each commentor’s Pseudonym is linked to a distinct email address.

    Ergo, “(Justin) Smith” must have registered the same email address you type in every time you post. 2 people with the same name and email address seems like a coincidence too many, no?

    I, and most others here would call that “being caught in a lie”.

    • 同意: d dan
  457. Erebus 说:
    @Smith

    嗯...

    You may be right about there being 2 (or more) “Smiths”. The sloganeering replies by the one posting further above were reasonably coherent in syntax and grammatical structure, if not in logic.

    The “Smith” that wrote these last two lacks that coherence and exhibits an unusually low level of reading comprehension as witnessed by the gaping discontinuities between the original query and his response.

    My working hypothesis is that there’s in fact several “Smiths” sharing a walkup somewhere in NT, promoting the State Dept’s agenda for HK to the best of their varied abilities. The “Smiths” are one of hundreds of such tag-teams the US funds in HK and around the world, wherever regime disruption/change is seen as geo-politically advantageous.

    It goes without saying that, to the extent that they try their luck in forums such as UR, they’re collectively wasting the US taxpayer’s money.

    • 回复: @Smith
    , @Commentator Mike
    , @d dan
  458. Smith 说:
    @Erebus

    So we are all Smith, like in the Matrix?

    And no, I don’t think the Justin “Smith” has the same email address as me, you can ask Unz for that.

    Anyway, this wild goose chase is entertaining especially when you use it to attack me because you have run out of rational argument.

    • 回复: @Erebus
  459. @Erebus

    Oh sod these Smiths. Here another bigmouth strikes again.

  460. d dan 说:
    @Erebus

    Good detective work, Erebus. He thinks he is helping US, but is actually wasting our tax money.

  461. Erebus 说:
    @Smith

    So we are all Smith, like in the Matrix?

    Sorta, but I doubt any of you have the Matrix’ Smiths’ athletic prowess.

    And no, I don’t think the Justin “Smith” has the same email address as me, you can ask Unz for that.

    I’d get more useful information if your handlers told you how they hacked the original Smith’s email address off the Unz site.

    Anyway, this wild goose chase is entertaining…

    You were plainly showing signs of overwork, so I thought you needed the diversion. Anyway, glad you liked it.

    Go home. Get some sleep. This gig is over.

  462. Beijinger 说:

    MSM from China, if you care, I just checked my ‘China gvt censored for sure’ cell phone to find the most recent HK related news (Beijing time 20190910 18:00) I can receive and translate the titles and most like comments to you. (comments in bracket; separated by semicolon)

    1. US media ask Carrie Lam‘bill withdrawn but protest goes on?’ Carrie Lam respond directly.
    (conversations with public should be made, but no conversation with the rioters; for the separatist, no matter whatever you do, they just find new excuses; support HK Chief Executive, support HK police, HK peace and recovery soon )

    2. After reveal the true face of HK separatists, a HK tea restaurant owner received threatening conversation.
    (thumbs up for such honorable man; still too less ; that’s the kind of people HK need, also an embarrassment to those silent ones)

    3. Twice caught, twice released, Huang Zhifeng is not a subject of HK jurisdiction?
    (India judger in HK, no surprise; Qianli the Indian should cleaned out from HK judiciary; rioter should be punished and Law should be abide and enforced; such people should not be bailed )

    4. The tea restaurant owner speaks again, not frightened by the threats received after he revealed that some consortium support separatist .
    (I support this Mr to join the HK parliament; HKer is responsible of HK stability; support his restaurant; )
    5. Internal and external collusions to mess up HK, Carrie Lam don’t concede, she just send the 1st strong warning.
    (iron hand in need, support Carrie Lam; cut the knots with a sharp knife; Carrie Lam, be strong;)
    6. HK students in mainland: ‘mainlander is enthusiastic and magnanimous’
    (magnanimous also has its limit, HK is China, study in Beijing is not study abroad, sad for the brainwashed HK students; mainlander is magnanimous to HKer, HKer is not magnanimous to mainlanders )
    7. ‘Young losers’messed up, HK pays! 50% guests scared and run away, reality is slap in the face.
    (anyhow HK don’t pay state taxes; service is important industry for HK, can’t bare it to continue such chaos, HK decline and surpass by Guangzhou in sight; if HKer don’t love HK, there is not much mainlander can do; check out the neighbor Macau, it’s great, just visited there, nice place, great people, clean street. )

    [更多]

    8. Key: HK police get the report! How long can the eye burst woman’s ‘secret’been kept.
    (separatist in med system, how permeated! Looks like most separatist is still hided, should take them all; HK, disappointment; HK police, my admirations for your weakness/forbearance; police should sue that woman of her malicious accusations, she damaged the police reputation, hospital should public the report; ignore the eye, this woman is heart blind)
    (I worried for that woman, but now I know she is a separatist, such an end for her, what a relief for me; can’t escape the karma, separatist should think twice before the bad doings; )

    9. Rioters threaten a‘HK 911’to‘kill those who don’t speak proper Cantonese’
    (They run out of cash, make some noise/actions to get paid; even many HKer don’t speak proper Cantonese; US at their back, they are terrorist, US support terrorist; terrorist must be perished during sprout phases, HK police hit out )

    10. Tourists decline to 40%, HK Disneyland become land of no body. HK people speak out in CCTV News.
    (finally HK Disneyland complains, just close down; it’s ok, just a time matter for HK to become tier 3 city of China; When I visit there, as mainlander, feels like they own me something wtf when I pay them as a consumer, now no more visiting, they complain… I have no memory or what? I’d rather visit Macao; for months, some HK people kept silence, but there is a saying: not one snowflake is innocent when there is snow slide)

    11. Ta Kung Pao: HK hired many foreigner judgers, these people have ‘political loyalty issues’.
    (people not born in HK, should not be HK judger; Chinese SAR, in the hands of foreigners, should be changed to Chinese; decolonization , urgent! Such poison should be removed, otherwise there will be no peace in HK in the future.)

    12. ‘hate the police’education start with the kids? Angry parents expose.
    (thumb up for those parents in HK; horrific, is that the education in HK?; finally some rational parents; this is also a warning bell for us, patriotism education should start with the kid. Moral, intellectual, physics, aesthetics and labor education, moral is No. 1, we went wrong to position intellectual in first place. If the kids don’t love their own country, what good comes out of such education?)

    13. Man in Tianshuiwei yell: ’I am Chinese HK citizen’against the rioters. Listen what he says.
    (thumb up for HK people have sense of justice, brave man; HK people already organized themselves against the rioters; this is truly man, discriminate between right and wrong, insist in justice and believe in justice never absent )

    14. ‘For HK, I should do this.’ two women speak out at UN, regardless of slanders.
    (beautiful woman, even more beautiful minds; Admirations; salute to the brave ones.)
    15. Local HK girl, give up HK University to Shanghai Fudan University:‘ I see different world.’
    (Anywho passed the exam to Fudan, that’s some badass students, just image the atmosphere there for study; HK don’t recognize the mainland collage education, so what for that after graduate?; HK education should also use mandarin, no English only, that’s why youngster don’t know their country, they don’t even know the language, how to know the country?)

    16. Speakwoman in Ministry of Foreign Affair: Germany minister of foreign affair is contact Huang Zhifeng, what for?
    (German minister of foreign affair is just the same level of Huang Zhifeng ; Merkel just visited China, German is not sincere at all; To the Germans, business is business, politic is polic.)

    17. Questions to ask to the black vest HKer: Are you Chinese? Do you love China? Do you wish any good for China?
    (HK gvt should do something with their education, kid should know their own country; HK check the double citizenship; they sold their souls for some personal gains; black vest don’t recognize themselves as Chinese at all, just see those flags they hold; Playing the piano to bulls.)

    • 回复: @Chinaman
    , @d dan
  463. Smith 说:

    Meanwhile, in Hong Kong:

    Mainlanders posing as HKers to smash stuff, finally confirmed the theory of CCP shills chimping out:

    These are the pieces of shit who’ve been removing and destroying the flowers at Prince Edward Station

    Remember the time by Chicomman when he says HK girls were offering sex for protesters freely? Confirmed fake news promoted by ta da, a Beijing shill politician in HK: https://www(dot)reddit(dot)com/r/HongKong/comments/d23tgr/probeijing_politician_fanny_law_urged_to_quit/

    (maybe that’s where Chicomman got his info from?)

    “Off-duty” HK police got provided with baton (for what? LOL I guess it’s time for protesters to carry bats to defend themselves), CCP state media make up a false flag i.e. 9/11 to smear protesters: https://www(dot)reddit(dot)com/r/HongKong/comments/d27e9p/what_happened_on_10919_in_hong_kong/

    Carrie Lam SAD at the MTR “vandalism” (likely caused by her own gang of cops), but never visited any injured citizen: https://www(dot)reddit(dot)com/r/HongKong/comments/d1rmqu/oh_ms_carrie_lam_treats_mtr_ticket_machines_with/

    HK govt is already trying to ban VPN: https://www(dot)reddit(dot)com/r/HongKong/comments/d27dq6/as_protesters_march_on_private_internet_access/

    Is it me or the protests are still going strong despite the pressure from the CCP and many fake news being made up? Anyway, good luck HK!

  464. Chinaman 说:

    I think one of the questions future historians will ask 50 years from now is why didn’t HKer overthrow the British colonial government during 150 of imperial rule but revolted against its motherland. They will be perplexed since objective living conditions and economic well being of even the lowest strata in HK is much better off now than what he had to endure under colonial rule. What drove these people to beg to be enslaved again?

    is it that economic development is associated with political discontent? Is a full tummy the devil’s workshop ?

    I think it is income disparity and relative poverty that is the issue here. Everyone was poor under the British and people saw opportunity to improve their lives. Nowadays, most Hker suffers from the house nigger syndrome and income disparity has gone to unsustainable levels.

    It is sad that none of the 5 demands actually address these root causes. What about asking for housing subsidies or more public housing? The whole discussion still revolve some stupid trivial matter like police brutality, CCP hatred or some amorphous ideals such as freedom and democracy. ( the kind of thing Smith talks about) It is so childish and not constructive. No one is focus on the real issues. The protestors could have used the opportunity to ask for something concrete instead to settle ideological differences which can never resolved. This is the lunacy of current situation.

    At the end, they won’t get their demands or any economic concessions, it will all be futile.

    • 回复: @Smith
  465. Smith 说:
    @Chinaman

    We will talk about the economy once the situation calms down, because the protesters’s care more about autonomy than economy.

    And the reason the HKers did not rebel or want to rebel against British rule is because British rule was better than mainland rule, and now the current autonomy is still better than whatever is going on in the mainland.

    And I talk about freedom, but never democracy, I detest democracy.

  466. Chinaman 说:
    @Beijinger

    10. Tourists decline to 40%, HK Disneyland become land of no body. HK people speak out in CCTV News.
    (finally HK Disneyland complains, just close down; it’s ok, just a time matter for HK to become tier 3 city of China; When I visit there, as mainlander, feels like they own me something wtf when I pay them as a consumer, now no more visiting, they complain… I have no memory or what? I’d rather visit Macao; for months, some HK people kept silence, but there is a saying: not one snowflake is innocent when there is snow slide)

    I was at Disneyland last weekend with kids, honestly, it was a much better experience without the tourists. Less wait, more “civilised”. It is unsustainable at this rate of course, they will shut down if tourism don’t recover,

    Streets are less crowded and it feels like HK 20 years ago. HK have been operating over its limit for a long time and it actually feel good now… 10 million ( including mobile population) on a small island and peninsula is too much. I think a lot of Hker are quietly breathing a sign of relief the tourists are gone and they have yet to feel the impact of the economy. 80% of the income goes to the top 50 families anyway.

    It is xenophobia and I totally understand where it is coming from.

    Next, we just need to get rid of the white dude and brown people here too. Still too many of these tax evading parasites here. If we can do without mainlanders, we can do without these fifth column scums.

    In a sense, we are refusing to become Pattaya. Not being waiters and concierge to the world

    • 回复: @Erebus
  467. d dan 说:
    @Beijinger

    I think it is time for Carrie to use the emergency power to start arresting the big instigators that are behind the scene. 引蛇出洞 has been waited for too long because the big culprits are starting to retreat now.

    • 同意: Erebus
    • 回复: @Erebus
  468. Erebus 说:
    @Chinaman

    Next, we just need to get rid of the white dude and brown people here too. Still too many of these tax evading parasites here. If we can do without mainlanders, we can do without these fifth column scums.

    I’m not sure I like HK’s chances without the mainland.

    Unlike Singapore, HK failed to create a real role for itself. It made noises about becoming “Asia’s World City”, but HK’s economy remained all about tourism and F.I.R.E., and neither can provide a real, resilient economy. Both are themselves parasitic on the real wealth being created elsewhere and so are subject to trends and events over which it has no control. If the host dies or inoculates itself, the parasite dies. To the extent HK isolates itself from real wealth creation, and fails to create its own, it will watch its future become increasingly dimmer.

    Be careful what you wish for. Pattaya may look good to HK-ers in a few decades.

    • 回复: @Chinaman
    , @Chinaman
  469. Erebus 说:
    @d dan

    And while she’s at it, she should ban a few 1000 of the “NGO” front organizations as well. That’s where enemy snakes hide in plain sight.

  470. Chinaman 说:
    @Erebus

    I stood at Time Square in Causeway Bay today and watch thousands of people sing this HK anthem.

    It was hard not to be moved by the emotions and revolutionary fervor.

    It is crazy since I don’t even support them. At least singing is better than destroying our own home.

    I love HK so I know what they are trying to defend even though Democracy and independence are not the solutions to their problems.

    Anyway, enjoy this song. Proud to be a HK Chinese.

  471. Chinaman 说:
    @Erebus

    As a born and bred HKer, I understand their struggle.

    They are saying they are willing to sacrifice our economy ( not really theirs) to defend our unique identity as HKer. They don’t want to be assimilated into China.

    Every Chinese commenting here comes from different region with its own dialect and culture. We can all relate to the the desire to defend our unique identity and not forced to be, for example, Hebei farmers.

    I think the whole movement is gaining momentum andIt shows no signs of abating. It is dragging everyone into it like a snowball.

    It will not end well as you said…it will be be worst than pattaya. May be like Poland when it defy Hilter in WW2.

    It is too late to stop the Wheel of History now. I hope everyone will remember HK at its best. HK was a beacon of light in the nightsky and shone brightly for all Chinese!

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  472. Seraphim 说:

    Waving American flags is not like waving a red rag to the bull? Deliberate provocation to force a Tiananmen 2.0? Are not the HKers turning off the ‘beacon of light’?

  473. Erebus 说:
    @Chinaman

    They are saying they are willing to sacrifice our economy ( not really theirs) to defend our unique identity as HKer. They don’t want to be assimilated into China.

    There is no push to integrate them into China in the sense that they’re encouraged to “become Hebei farmers”. In the first place, the Hebei farmers would have none of it and tell them to go home.

    They are Cantonese, and it is an accident of history that they live next door to a largely Cantonese province with a largely Cantonese mother tongue and a Cantonese kitchen instead of wholly integrated into it since time immemorial.

    Shamir’s title hits the nail on the head. HK-ers reject their Cantonese speaking Guangdong cousins with almost as much vehemence and disdain as they reject Hebei farmers. Like the comprador classes in India, HK-ers seem to view themselves as superior 因为 they were colonized by non-Chinese. It’s a very strange phenomena, but perhaps this article better catches the real reasons behind HK’s socio-political issues. Social chauvinism has metathesized into political action, and if allowed to play out can take HK backwards while an ocean of Chinese next door move forwards. HK has to re-write that script in a positive direction, or it’ll go all the way to the bottom waving the superiority flag like the Ukrainian social chauvinists have taken Ukraine in denial of their Russian roots.

    I hope everyone will remember HK at its best. HK was a beacon of light in the nightsky and shone brightly for all Chinese!

    It shone brightly for some of us Westerners as well. No longer with the clarity it once did, but still still casts an oddly mysterious light that Singapore (for instance) can’t match. How long, one wonders, before the mystery turns into misery? Not soon, I hope.

    • 回复: @Chinaman
    , @Malla
  474. Chinaman 说:
    @Erebus

    ike the comprador classes in India, HK-ers seem to view themselves as superior because they were colonized by non-Chinese. It’s a very strange phenomena

    You hit the nail on the head with this one. It is a bit like dogs that are well-trained by the British looking down on this feral but free brethren. But I can definitely say this house nigger syndrome is the minority, at most 5-10% of the population which represents the most disaffected crazies.

    No self-respecting person, whether Chinese or not, would beg to be enslaved.

    This kind of cultural chauvinism or superiority complex is ingrained and has genetic roots. it is none but the well documented in- group out-group phenomena. The expression “Chinese are a hand of loose sand.” reflects the fact that Han is not as homogenous as most think and there is a large genetic diversity along the North-south, East West axis. The Beijinger despises the Hebei farmers. The Shanghainese thinks all other Chinese are beneath them. This extends to the individual level of course.

    I have moved beyond that a long time ago of course (my wife is a Suzhou mainlander, my mum is Cantonese, my dad is Singaporean) but as a HKer, I do feel this unique identity (which is quite distinct from Canton) is worth preserving and should be cherished. Not its shameful colonial past but the vibrant local culture that has given us Bruce Lee and Yip Man. Most mainlanders older than 30 grew up on HK movies and soap pop. I think every Chinese will agree with me that we shouldn’t just let that fade away into the oblivion… for economic reasons or in the name of “progress”…

    Singapore never had anything like that, the British not only colonize the land but their minds too. it is the most destructive form of colonization. Singaporean culture is no different from western culture today.

    The economic and cultural “encroachment” from the North is real which is why there is so much pushback. I am a realist and I just see it as natural development but many in HK resents it. I don’t think it is wanting to go back under the British ( I will fight tooth and nail against that ) but defending the last vestige of the HK that was the Pearl of the East.

    • 回复: @Erebus
  475. d dan 说:

    “HK-ers reject their Cantonese speaking Guangdong cousins with almost as much vehemence and disdain as they reject Hebei farmers.”

    Almost the same situation as Taiwaneses who reject the Fujian people. So sad and political.

  476. Erebus 说:
    @Chinaman

    Thanks for all your observations and comments Mr. 中国人,和先生。 as well. Through them I learned a few things and gained perspectives I wouldn’t have otherwise.

    HK, which I’ve visited literally 100s of times over the last 3 decades, came to its crossroads in the ’90s and seemed to stop there. It failed to go one way or the other and drifted, so chosing to define itself in the negative, by what it wasn’t rather than by what it was, or more importantly by what it could/should be.

    Again, I’m reminded of the Ukraine’s “nationalists” who can’t think of a better definition for their nation than as “not Russian”. In both cases, I blame the elites. They are normally the ones to define the nation, and both defined their nations as cash cows. As long as they could be milked, who needs a national vision?

    After reading your comments, I’m actually more hopeful than before. HK-ers apparently sense that this is the real issue. They want a vision of a HK that looks after their interests and has a place in the world, and leadership they can get behind to work towards it. Alas, they (& I) don’t see a Lee Kuan Yew, or a Putin, who understands the social/political/economic/cultural boundary conditions within which he must work and knows how & where he can stretch them. The ultimate irony may come in the form of an LKY/Putin sent by Beijing to MHKGA. HK-ers certainly seem to know that Carrie Lam and her predecessors ain’t it, and I’m sure Beijing knows it too.

    HK-ers are nothing if not pragmatic, so maybe they’ll accept him/her if he acts quickly to ram through solutions to the most egregious economic issues. The first of these is surely to call the oligarchs in and tell them straight that the game has changed, and lays out the new rules with a polite “Them’s the rules. Abide, or fuck off”. Much like Putin did in Russia. Ordinary people notice things like that, and as soon as they realize the new guy’s for real, they’ll get behind him however loud the local petty politicians and posers howl.

    Again, thanks for the exchange.

  477. Malla 说:
    @Erebus

    Like the comprador classes in India, HK-ers seem to view themselves as superior because they were colonized by non-Chinese

    What? That is some dumb rubbish.

  478. Goldie 说:
    @Aspnaz

    China doesn’t need Hong Kong as a financial centre anymore. They have Shenzhen and Shanghai on the mainland.

  479. Goldie 说:
    @Anon

    True about the censorship, the video you provided, says Youtube account now closed. Yeah sure, more likely censored.

  480. Goldie 说:
    @onebornfree

    What a disgusting thing to say. Chinaman’s post are very informative. Like he said he is a Hong Konger, married to a mainlander, and his mother from the mainland originally, having swam across the river from Shenzhen to Hong Kong. What Chinaman has to say is of value and another side of the China Hong Kong story we all should listen to. I respect Chinaman’s mother’s opinion more than yours, she reminds me of my Grandmother, not highly educated, however she had a lot of wisdom. You show a lack of respect for her story, her truth.

    Check yourself will you.

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