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A specter is haunting Europe: the specter of basic statistical literacy.

As a law-abiding French citizen, I do not engage in any conspiracy theories or really any thoughts disapproved of by my democratically-elected politicians in the National Assembly and by public-spirited ethno-religious lobbying organizations like the LICRA and the CRIF.

根据 维基百科中, 大替换 is an “extreme-right, racist, and xenophobic conspiracy theory according to which there is a deliberate process of replacement of the French and European population by a non-European population, especially from Black Africa and North Africa. . . . The main arguments of this thesis, whether demographic or cultural, are refuted by the great majority of specialists, who reject both the methods from which its rests and its underlying logic.”

Naturally, I then reject the despicable arguments claiming there is a change of the European population citing so-called “facts” such as our current immigration policies, demographic statistics, and quotes of our political leaders celebrating our bright multicultural future.

But now my consciousness is troubled . . . the Belgians, our strange neighbors beyond the village of 魁夫兰, are now claiming through their State propaganda outlets that there is a growing change in Belgium’s population.

The francophone State broadcaster RTBF blares with the headline: “Now 20% of the Belgian population is of foreign origin and Moroccans outnumber Italians.” It gets worse in the body text as the article claims that “Diversity in Belgium has increased over the past 10 years. It’s what, in any case, is shown by new statistics on the origin of the Belgian population, published by Statbel.”

RTBF provides striking graphs to illustrate their claims:

Population by origin in Belgium, Brussels, Flanders, and Wallonia. Blue: non-Belgians, light green: Belgians of foreign origin, teal: “Belgians of Belgian origin.”
Population by origin in Belgium, Brussels, Flanders, and Wallonia. Blue: non-Belgians, light green: Belgians of foreign origin, teal: “Belgians of Belgian origin.”

In fact, the headline understates matters because RTBF has hatefully excluded resident “non-Belgians” from the Belgian population. As of 1 January 2020, 12.4% of the population is non-Belgian, 19.7% are Belgian citizens of foreign origin, and 67.9% is native Belgian. Already, native Belgians then only make up two thirds of the population!

Foreigners’ and their descendants are very unevenly spread geographically however. Flanders, a region which votes heavily for anti-immigration parties, is still over 75% native Belgian, while French-speaking Wallonia is only two-thirds Belgo-Belgian. In Brussels, astonishingly, native Belgians barely make up a quarter of the population!

It is true that the Belgian middle class has largely fled the capital, sandwiched between relatively dysfunctional Muslim neighborhoods and gentrifying neighborhoods taken over by European expats.

Ethnic (self-)segregation in Brussels: Europeans in blue, Arabs in pink, Turks in yellow.
Ethnic (self-)segregation in Brussels: Europeans in blue, Arabs in pink, Turks in yellow.

在一个 最近的一篇文章, psychologists Emil Kirkegaard and Baptiste Dumoulin examined the the correlation between Muslim settlement and social outcomes in 589 Belgian municipalities:

We find very strong relationships between Muslim% of the population and a variety of social outcomes such as crime rate, educational attainment, and median income. For the 19 communes of Brussels, we find a correlation of -.94 between Muslim% and a general factor of socioeconomic variables (S factor) based on 22 diverse indicators. . . . For the entire country, we have data for 8 measures of social inequality. Analysis of the indicators shows an S factor which is very similar to the one from the Brussels data only based on the full set of indicators (r’s = .98).

Background of foreign-origin people in Belgium: neighboring countries (including Britain) in red; the EU27 in blue; non-EU27 in green.
Background of foreign-origin people in Belgium: neighboring countries (including Britain) in red; the EU27 in blue; non-EU27 in green.

RTBF also provides data on the origin of foreign-origin people in Belgium: 51.3% are from non-EU countries (mostly North Africans, Turks, and Black Africans), 20.5% are from “neighboring countries” (including Britain), and 28.2% are from other European Union countries. We observe that non-EU migrants are concentrated in Brussels (60.7% of foreign-origin people) and markedly underrepresented in Wallonia. Indeed, the latter has a long previous history of Italian immigration.

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Romanians have also progressed enormously, now the sixth-most important nationality, with a massive wave of immigration since that country’s access to the EU in 2007. This is a heterogeneous group: many Romanians work in EU affairs as yuppies, others work in blue-collar professions such as construction, go to church, and vote for nationalists, and others still are in fact Gypsies who now make up about half of the beggars that hang about so many of this little global city’s street corners. (Many of these Gypsies have adopted migratory patterns of begging a few months in the West and then returning to the home country in stints.)

Most important sources for foreign-origin residents broken down by region: Flanders, Wallonia, and Brussels.
Most important sources for foreign-origin residents broken down by region: Flanders, Wallonia, and Brussels.

Over 10 years, the proportion of each category of foreigner (neighboring, other EU, and non-EU) has not varied much.

One important thing not mentioned by RTBF is the age structure of the native vs. foreign-origin populations. As Jérôme Fourquet has emphasized in his study of France, headline statistics often understate the intensity and rapidity of changes because the elderly are included, but as always the future belongs to the young.

Population pyramids for the whole Belgian population, native Belgians, Belgian citizens of foreign origin, and non-citizens. (Source: Statbel)
Population pyramids for the whole Belgian population, native Belgians, Belgian citizens of foreign origin, and non-citizens. (Source: Statbel)

If I were to trust these Belgian statistics, I would add this makes the traditional Wallonian-Flemish bickering over Brussels now look very petty indeed: with native Belgians making up only around 20% of residents, the city is fully lost to both sides. The Belgo-Brusseler is a marginal whose proper place is on the endangered species list.

Brussels may as well be an independent city-state and/or EU capital district, something which would no doubt assuage the new residents’ alienation from smalltime Belgian politics (interminable negotiations and gridlock between the Flemish and Francophone parties). This would also give an opportunity for Brussels to become a “Singapore of the North” by shedding the Belgian State’s appalling tax burden on income and social charges. Then again, I suppose the emerging Afro-Islamic majority Brussels citizens overwhelmingly votes socialist.

But why not make English an official language of independent Brussels? We could even make Arabic and Turkish into recognized minority languages. Then different residents could not only live in different neighborhoods, as they happily choose to do now, but could each be educated in the language and culture that most resonates with them.

But anyway, as a good French citizen, I know these “Belgian statistics” are trash. The idea that the populations of Western Europe are being changed because of the preferred immigration policies of big-business and the multicultural left is laughable on its face.

In fact, I am worried about the influence of RTBF’s conspiratorial reporting on French discourse and social cohesion. What is President Emmanuel Macron doing about the menace-upon-the-Senne*?

* Yes, the Belgians chose a name for the river going through their capital virtually indistinguishable from Paris’.

 
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  1. Danemarks President Mette frederiksen seems to oppose muslim immigration gruite strongly – from The Telegraph, 23rd of Jan. 2021 (my italics)

    Denmark’s Social Democrat prime minister has declared that she wants the country to receive “zero asylum seekers“, relaunching her party’s drive to be as restrictive on immigration as the populist right.

    “That is our goal,” Mette Frederiksen told Denmark’s parliament on Friday afternoon. “We cannot promise zero asylum seekers. But we can set up that vision.”

    Just 1,547 people have applied for asylum in Denmark 2020, the lowest number since 1998, thanks in part to the Covid pandemic and in part to the country’s tough immigration system.

    但是,据弗雷德里克森女士说,这甚至太多了。

    “We must make sure that 来我们国家的人不会太多,否则我们的社会凝聚力将不复存在。 它已经受到威胁,“ 她说。

    她告诉议会,丹麦过去对外国人的要求太少, 使他们能够在不采用丹麦文化价值观的情况下靠收益谋生.

  2. The “conspiracy” seems to be believing that this process is intentionally done to dilute the power of native Europeans in their homelands. It is hard to know if this is really the case or if it is just another byproduct of Finance Capitalism and a desire for more debtors, but the end results are the same. A more realistic scenario would be that there are multiple interests, you have the Capitalists who have tunnel vision and chase after economic growth at all costs, you have native Leftists who have some weird ethno-masochist tendencies and are willing to shaft their ethnic compatriots in order to spite the Rightists, and then of course you have the various ethnic activists who are pursuing demographic warfare, to promote their own group’s genetic interests.

  3. @Dieter Kief

    Well, she better watch her back ( and chose very carefully her bodyguards )…If memory serves me well, 4 Swedish Prim-Ministers/politicians were assassinated, or had…’ accidents ‘…Like that Austrian ‘ far-right leader ‘ ( from Zio-media )…Joerg Haider…murdered, I mean…killed in a ‘ car accident ‘ ( ” Boston Brakes ” – like Diana )…JFK didn’t do it ( he trusted the Secret Service ) and lost his brains at Dallas…That’s way Dick ( Cheney, not Nixon ) had a personal protection team…he knew a thing or two, about the long arm of the ‘ secret World government/deep state ‘…( even if served them well )…

  4. @Dieter Kief

    Hello Dieter, thanks for your comment. Noteworthy that this is mainstream Danish political discourse. Contrast Sweden! But how good are the actual policies in Denmark? How great are European and non-European immigration?

    • 回复: @Dieter Kief
    , @Peter Lund
  5. @Dieter Kief

    好吧,即使他们似乎采用丹麦的文化价值观,他们也不会真正成为丹麦人吗? 就像一个犹太人甚至在1500年前就已经采用这种国家的文化价值观的方式一样,无论从哪方面讲,它仍然是犹太人,或者尽管住在摩洛哥已有1000多年的历史,但在摩洛哥的阿拉伯人永远不会真正相似北爱尔兰的柏柏尔摩洛哥人或新教英国人仍然会向伦敦和爱丁堡寻求灵感。

  6. songbird 说:

    I heard an estimate that Brussels is now 40% Muslim. Whether that it right or not, I suspect that it is the worst capital city in Europe demographically, in terms of nonwhites, with the only major city worse off possibly being Birmingham.

    I’m a proponent of expulsion; I really don’t think that any other solution is possible in the long term. So, in that sense, as long as Europeans maintain a core somewhere there is always hope of remediation.

    But in the meantime, I do admit to a little 幸灾乐祸 at the EU being headquartered in Brussels, even if it not really an official thing. Though, as always, I suspect that the impetus of the political class will be towards settling these people in rural areas and the suburbs.

  7. Anonymous[185]• 免责声明 说:
    @songbird

    It’s gone beyond the ‘expulsion’ stage.
    The state of play, these days, is one of imminent takeover and darkie triumph.
    An old old story about exponential growth:

    Suppose a vast vast lake is seeded with a colony of algae, no bigger than a thumb nail which doubles in size every day until it covers the entire surface of the lake. It takes precisely 100 days for the algae to entirely cover the lake surface.
    On which day is the lake still only half covered?

    • 回复: @MarkU
    , @Bookish1
  8. MarkU 说:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    You are right in suggesting that multiple interests are in play, things rarely happen for just the one reason.

  9. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    have native Leftists who have some weird ethno-masochist tendencies and are willing to shaft their ethnic compatriots in order to spite the Rightists

    Yes, they exist – and they come with something attached to them which is an old concept now and part of the philosophical universalism they maintain – and that is: Their traditional internationalism. Don’t underestimate that. It is the precise equivalent of — God (for those prone to linguistic jokes: They are never frustrated by the real-world outcomes of their idealism (in Marxism masked as materialism) because the most important part of it is that it is a place-holder for God in that it represents – – – – – –

    – – – – – – the unexpected, the inexplicable = transcendence & translucent dialectical transgressions of all imaginable kinds (for a shortcut here: think of PARADISE (including sexual liberation (Wilhelm Reich, Herbert Marcuse, Masters/Johnson, Lennon/Ono, Bhagwan/Osho…) and boundless pleasures an’ all that)). In other words: The left’s heaven is internationalism****. And this heaven should not be underestimated since whishes are – cf. Deleuze/Guattari – what (cf. Freud) 驱动器 our bodies (=our souls / deep down inside…. = us human beings).

    **** and internationalism stands in here for: It is always more pleasurable elsewhere than where we are right now (that’s the deepest secret of the left’s internationalism).

    • 同意: Jack Armstrong
  10. Andy 说:

    我对比利时的了解不多,但是去年冬天(大流行之前)我在安特卫普住了几天,感到惊讶的是,看到伊斯兰头饰的妇女至少比街头其他妇女多2比1。

    • 同意: Jack Armstrong
    • 回复: @oliver elkington
  11. MarkU 说:
    @Anonymous

    You are right, the process is too far advanced already to end well. Most people do not understand the exponential function.

  12. @Guillaume Durocher

    Thilo Sarrazin was delighted when he read the Danish news****.
    Mette Frederiksen is the head of the Danish government and she does what she says. European immigration is a factor but can be handled appropriately, I’d think.

    Ahh – Swiss grass-root news from lefties living there: They don’t attack me personally for my positions as they did before – and: They say that a consensus is building up in Switzerland, that immigration has to be regulated (=cut back) in order to keep the country on track. – Even in the left-leaning daily Tages-Anzeiger (the most read in Switzerland by a long shot) you can read, that open borders are no goal in itself – and that the discussion thereof should be de-ideologized. The union-wing of the left makes the point, that open borders bring down wages (that can’t be overestimated not least because lots of union leaders and spokespersons are secondos – kids of immigrants – and have thus a strong standing in the Swiss public).


    *****
    the German Social Democrats are still trying to throw him out – but what shall they do in the Socialist International with their icon (A Social Democratic Women President!) Mette Frederiksen? – They are really stuck! I like that.

    • 同意: lavoisier
  13. There will eventually be an expulsion, but it might be a surprise what group actually gets expelled.

  14. @Andy

    一定是安特卫普的郊区,中心总体来说是相当不错的,总的来说这是一个非常聪明的城市,来自一个我们的第二个城市是伯明翰(不是阿拉巴马州的那个城市)的国家,当我想到自由主义者时我哭了谈论这样一个城市,当它是一个普遍的垃圾场时,它“异常多样化”,并且出于明显的原因,它永远不会吸引来自美国甚至欧洲的任何游客。 我希望安特卫普不会像我四年前上次那样去那里时走下坡路,它是一座拥有如此悠久历史和美丽衣着且衣着精致的人的城市。

  15. MarkU 说:

    Care to make more definite predictions? the way you have formulated it you can claim to be right whoever is expelled and whenever it might occur. “Might” and “eventually” are both words that allow you more or less infinite leeway.

    • 回复: @RadicalCenter
  16. 我不知道这是否适用于比利时,但有关法国的移民政策很大程度上受寻求廉价劳动力的商业利益驱使的理论并不十分令人信服。 比美国少得多。 在1960年代直到1970年代中期就是这种情况,但是由于家庭团聚以及慷慨且容易发生欺诈的福利制度吸引了第三世界人口,移民法国已经有40多年了。 一些部门仍然喜欢廉价劳动力(农业,饭店和清洁服务),但影响力不大。 大型公司往往会在旅途中的所有进步原因(例如同性恋权利,性别平等或跨性别主义)上使用美德信号,而移民也没有什么不同。
    欧洲国家正面临着免疫缺陷(解除武装抵抗外部威胁的免疫)和自身免疫(以反种族主义的名义攻击身体和防御)的生存性疾病。 这种疾病主要是制度上和意识形态上的,而不是经济上的。

    • 同意: Alden
    • 回复: @Anonymous
  17. 布鲁塞尔的穆斯林与社会弊端之间的高度相关性给我留下了深刻的印象。 我的印象是布鲁塞尔有大量刚果人。 我错了吗? 他们举止得体是因为他们来自刚果民主共和国的上层经济阶层吗? 他们是否倾向于与穆斯林生活在同一地区(在这种情况下,他们不会降低统计相关性)?

  18. Lot 说:

    What’s the least white large European city?

    Brussels is the least white that I’ve been too judging by the people on the street and central business areas.

    I can’t find the info online. Here’s the least white British and American cities:

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/370013/White-Britons-are-now-a-minority-in-4-towns-and-cities

    The largest 272 American cities ranked most to least non-hispanic white:

    https://www.roadsnacks.net/data/cities/whitest.csv

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  19. Anonymous[905]• 免责声明 说:
    @HyperDupont

    Apparently, all ‘labor’ immigration into France was halted in 1974.

    – most of France’s darkies entered after that date.

    说够了。

  20. Anonymous[905]• 免责声明 说:
    @Lot

    Birmingham, the UK’s second biggest city is majority non white, and has been so for decades.
    Not coincidentally, it was Enoch Powell’s birthplace.
    London, England, is also majority non white. As its population is something like 10 millions, the non white character of the place impresses upon the visitor very strongly.

  21. 但是丹麦的实际政策有多好? 欧洲和非欧洲移民有多大?

    在我的评估中,丹麦政府通常奉行同化的“一国自由主义”政策。

    为此,政府试图打破平行社会并管理外国居民的负面结果。

    一种政策是不仅在每所学校而且在每间教室的IIRC中指定最多少数民族学生。

    另一个是臭名昭著的“贫民区法律”:

    自2010年以来,丹麦每年都会编制此“贫民窟清单”。 该标准高于平均失业率和犯罪率,低于平均教育水平,并且有争议的是,超过一半的人口是第一代或第二代移民。 政府从本质上将这些街区视为不可补救的城市灾难,并于2018年11,000月提议通过大规模搬迁和重建来应对这些街区。 多达XNUMX个社会住房租户的房屋可能在砧板上。

    [...]

    此外,法律本身在这些地区也有不同的适用。 政府所谓的贫民窟交易的第一阶段对犯罪行为处以更高的刑罚,并允许如果其中一个成员犯下犯罪行为,则通过驱逐方式对整个家庭进行集体惩罚。

    其他法律似乎旨在迫使移民社区融入丹麦社会。 学龄前儿童必须每周至少在州立幼儿园中度过25个小时,最多可容纳30%的移民,并接受语言测试。 否则,他们的家庭利益将被撤销。

    但该计划最严格的部分于1年2020月40日生效,届时这些地区必须将其公共住房存量削减至不超过10%。 为了在XNUMX年内实现这一目标,将清空所有区域并将其转换为私人和合作式住房,低收入人群将被禁止使用这些住房。 在某些城市(尽管不是哥本哈根),街区将被简单拆除。

    当前的租户将获得替代住宿,但无法控制其位置,质量或成本。 那些拒绝的人现在可以简单地被驱逐出去。 更糟的是,搬迁和翻新计划将从公共住房承租人自己投入的资金中支付。

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/how-denmarks-ghetto-list-is-ripping-apart-migrant-communities

    最近,为“负面社会控制”的受害者增加了用于公寓和社会工作者的资金,这意味着穆斯林的荣誉文化,这是左翼政党推行的一项措施。

    https://www.bt.dk/politik/fire-exit-boliger-oprettes-i-ny-aftale-mod-social-kontrol

    2018年开始禁止公共场合使用niqab和burka以及其他面罩。

    https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/nu-er-det-vedtaget-fremover-udloeser-det-en-boede-baere-burka-og-niqab-paa-gaden

    政府最近还批评社会服务部门对家庭虐待移民儿童的反应缺乏反应,包括体罚和强制遮盖。

    https://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/danmark/regeringen-vil-anbringe-flere-indvandrerborn

    -

    至于丹麦的人口统计资料,该州多年来将移民分为西方人和非西方人。

    关于丹麦政府如何定义“西方”和“非西方”群体的说明:

    西方–盎格鲁圈+ EU和相关国家,例如挪威,瑞士,安道尔等。

    非西方国家:前南斯拉夫减去斯洛文尼亚和克罗地亚,俄罗斯,乌克兰,白俄罗斯共和国以及世界其他地区。

    由于存在一些错误的肯定和否定,但能够采取措施,因此并不完美。

    当前,“丹麦血统”的定义是:至少一名父母在丹麦出生,并且具有丹麦公民身份(出生或获得),并且没有双重公民身份。

    我认为这会导致误报,将非西方后裔归为丹麦人,但此图表似乎将其分为“后裔子女:丹麦血统”(红色部分)。 (我记得有一些关于如何防止误报的争论,但并没有意识到它已得到实施)。

    我认为英语不是很多,但是统计信息本身可以在这里找到。

    https://www.dst.dk/da/Statistik/emner/befolkning-og-valg/indvandrere-og-efterkommere/indvandrere-og-efterkommere

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-106/#comment-3978079

    几个月前,政府宣布进一步澄清人口统计数据:

    丹麦目前在移民和其他人口统计数据中将移民分为“西方人”(欧盟,英国,美国,加拿大和澳大利亚)和“非西方人”(其他地方)。

    但是,移民和融合部部长马蒂亚斯·特斯法耶(Mattias Tesfaye)现在宣布引入所谓的MENAPT小组(中东,北非,巴基斯坦和土耳其),这是官方统计中的单独类别。

    “我们需要更多诚实的数字,如果我们公开获得这些数字,我认为这将有益于并有资格进行融合辩论,因为从根本上说,它们表明我们在丹麦的人与拉丁美洲和加勒比海地区的人们并没有真正的问题。远东。 我们与来自中东和北非的人有问题。”

    [...]

    2018年,来自MENAPT国家的4.6%的年轻人被定罪,相比之下,名单上所有其他1.8个非西方国家的年轻人中有190%被定罪。

    同年,中东和北非地区的妇女就业率为41.9%,而其他非西方,非中东和北非国家的妇女就业率为61.6。

    尽管在丹麦出生,但根据新的统计制度,现在的移民后裔也将被归类为外国人。 奇怪的是,自称为“半埃塞俄比亚人和100%丹麦人”的特斯法耶(Tesfaye)属于这一类别,他坚持说:“我认为您应该为自己的身份感到自豪。”

    移民及其后裔约占丹麦14万人口的5.8%,而来自MENAPT小组的移民约占54.5非西方移民总数的516,000%。

    Tesfaye声称:“这些新人物将为少数群体的移民提供更为诚实的政治讨论,这些移民群体给我们的社会带来了巨大挑战。”

    [...]

    Tesfaye补充说,为移民群体创建新的名称本身并不是一种工具,而仅仅是政治家将来可以做出更明智的政策决定的一种手段。

    https://www.rt.com/news/509712-denmark-mena-immigrant-crime-statistics/

    我本来希望将剩余的一些非西方群体细分为更具体的类别,例如撒哈拉以南非洲,拉丁美洲,南亚和远东,但它的统计效用总体上显着改善。

    -

    因此,总结一下(近乎冠状病毒感染前的情况)丹麦近代人口统计数据:

    西方移民5.1%

    MENAPT移民– 4.8%

    其余非西方移民– 4.0%

    丹麦人– 86.1%

    • 回复: @Peter Lund
    , @RadicalCenter
  22. surfside 6 说:

    For all people living in great replacement drop zones, you’re about to see that anywhere the great replacement is concerned Biden and his liberals won’t mind if that dumb virus spreads at all.

  23. Bookish1 说:
    @Anonymous

    It is not beyond the expulsion stage if things are done right. The whole muslim population of Brussels couldn’t be expelled at once but a bit at a time would do it.

  24. Peter Lund 说:
    @Dieter Kief

    Mette Frederiksen, the 总理, is just talking the talk. And she is doing it very quietly. She is not now, nor will she ever be, walking the walk.

    Half her party disagrees strongly with that vision and wants an even bigger yearly Muslim import. Most of the rest want something like the status quo. Her parliamentary support consists of two extremely socialist parties — and one party who wants the state to have more office workers with university degrees that don’t require too much math — who all want a sharp 提高 in the Muslim import.

    Everybody knows you have to pretend to be tough on immigration (part of the time, while winking and having your fingers crossed behind your back) to win elections here.

    One of the first acts of her government was to roll back most of the — sensible but too weak — immigration restrictions the previous government had implemented…

  25. Peter Lund 说:
    @Hyperborean

    提供更多细粒度的统计信息:

    https://www.dst.dk/Site/Dst/Udgivelser/GetPubFile.aspx?id=29445&sid=indv2018

    Look at page 112, for example. Unfortunately, they only published “corrected” crime indexes, giving you a choice of 4 different “corrections”. You can get the raw crime numbers if you go back a couple of pages but then you have to find the number of people in each immigrant group elsewhere in the document (and I didn’t bother to figure out where).

    The way “descendants” and “natives” are defined does of course mean that many descendants are counted as native Danes. Some of the recent EU immigration is also Muslim immigration in disguise.

    I have no idea what the real numbers are. All I know is that the official numbers are grossly misleading. Representative extracts from the court lists used to be published on the web — “such and such is accused of having committed crime X” — and they were overwhelmingly full of Muslim names (+ some Turkish and non-Muslim African names). The police districts also used to publish extracts from “døgnrapporten” (a log of all the stuff that happens in the district). Again, full of Muslim names and full of descriptions of “Southern looking men who spoke Danish with an accent”. Maybe that’s why they stopped publishing them…

  26. Peter Lund 说:
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Contrast Sweden! But how good are the actual policies in Denmark?

    They have recently improved a lot when it comes to certain kinds of crime.
    A bunch of “Swedes” (Somalis) killed a couple of other “Swedes” (Somalis) and tried to kill a third in Denmark in 2019.

    https://www.berlingske.dk/samfund/svenskere-faar-historisk-dom-for-bandedrab-i-herlev

    That ended with 20 years each for the youngest killers and life for the rest.

    The previous government (now in opposition) made a deal with the Social Democrats (Mette Frederikseen’s party) and Dansk Folkeparti (one of the anti-immigration parties) in 2017 about harsher measures against gangs. We have a few homegrown gangs (“rockere”/bikers) but most of them are immigrant gangs and even the homegrown ones have immigrant members as well.

    https://www.regeringen.dk/nyheder/2017/aftale-om-bandepakke-iii/

    Note item 1: 50% longer punishments if guns or explosives are used in public as part of a crime.

    We used to have 16 years as our max time-limited punishment and then life (which usually meant a bit less than 16 years unless you killed police officers) and “forvaring på ubestemt tid” (indefinite detainment) for dangerous psychopaths who the psychiatrists claimed were mentally sane (I kid you not) and then finally “behandlingsdom” (treatment judgment) for people who are obviously crazy.

    Note that not a single party from Frederiksen’s parliamentary support was in favour of that deal.

    https://www.ft.dk/samling/20161/lovforslag/l190/index.htm

    As you can see, EL, ALT, and RV voted against the law changes. EL = Enhedslisten = The Unity List (Communists), ALT = Alternativet = The Alternative (Weakly socialist party for innumerate Champagne Socialists who love the local variant of the Grauniad and other people’s tax money), RV = Radikale Venstre = The Radical Left, which used to be a misleading name for that party. It is mostly a party for school teachers, people with long math-free university degrees or who are dreaming of getting such a degree, and people who have office jobs in the state.

    Those parties are the parliamentary support for Frederiksen, together with SF…
    SF = Socialistisk Folkeparti = Socialist People’s Party is another semi-Communist party for innumerate school teachers who think they are well educated. It is quite weird that they actually voted in favour of that law.

    • 回复: @Dieter Kief
    , @RadicalCenter
  27. Bookish1 说:

    At least the issue is being discussed. Worse would be for people to go around with their blinders on as they used to for so many years.

  28. Wyatt 说:

    56% Belgian mutt meme soon. Hilarity to ensue right after.

  29. @Peter Lund

    Socialist People’s Party is another semi-Communist party for innumerate school teachers who think they are well educated. It is quite weird that they actually voted in favor of that law.

    我知道了。 A reason to be glad. (Martin Walser).

    In the days of old, you made such people into missionaries and send them away to the Danish West-Indies or to Ghana…Now they hang around at home and – do all kinds of unwanted things…

  30. @Peter Lund

    One of the first acts of her government was to roll back most of the — sensible but too weak — immigration restrictions the previous government had implemented…

    As an aside: 1500 Muslim immigrants in 2020 does not seem to be that many.

    Biel (50 000 inhabitants) Swiss industrial town, took in 300 people from Black Afrika alone.

    • 回复: @Peter Lund
    , @Peter Lund
  31. Bartolo 说:

    大替代不是真实的/奇妙而丰富的/是对殖民主义的一种惩罚。 所有3个在同一时间! 大替代者无能为力或者<3 <3 <3

  32. Bill Jones 说:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    The replacement is a goal not a side effect of other policies.
    Native born whites witnessing the destruction of their culture and demeaning of their living standards are far more likely to be obstacles than semi-literate at best, immigrants just gifted a ten fold increase in theirs, but the whites would be much more likely to resist a totalitarian restructuring of their countries regardless of economic factors.

  33. No Expert 说:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    M. Durocher, these figures are frankly terrifying.

    The “conspiracy” seems to be believing that this process is intentionally done to dilute the power of native Europeans in their homelands. It is hard to know if this is really the case

    The root problem is liberalism, specifically second wave feminism and birth control. Without a major cultural shift promoting marriage and family formation as the preferred activity for White Europeans in their twenties this ship is not going to turn around. It could be done if the propaganda organs were to be seized.

    • 同意: RadicalCenter
    • 回复: @showmethereal
  34. @Peter Lund

    Mette Frederiksen, the 总理, is just talking the talk. And she is doing it very quietly. She is not now, nor will she ever be, walking the walk.

    I said the same thing on another post months back. People underestimate 所以专业 politicians. Denmark is also still signatory to things like the European Convention on Human Rights.

    Everybody knows you have to pretend to be tough on immigration (part of the time, while winking and having your fingers crossed behind your back) to win elections here.

    Equally Brits were conned four times on immigration. First by Thatcher then Cameron in 2010 and 2015. In 2019 the narcissistic Turkish Jewish clownish PM also talked about curbs but is now importing ‘yellows’ from Hong Kong plus wants amnesty for millions of ‘wog’ and ‘paki’ illegals.

    Macron is following the same script with his war on Islam and (((Anglo-Saxon))) wokery, both low hanging fruits, to blunt Le Pen.

    Once upon a time Merkel also charged multiculturalism had failed but then opened the borders.

    Christian Dürr of the pro-business Free Democrats (FDP) is more candid about immigration i.e., importing people is cheaper than raising birth rates of natives. He claims Germany needs 500,000 new immigrants each year.

  35. @MarkU

    Obviously he is suggesting that it is the Muslims and Africans that will be expelling the White Europeans and nonMuslims from Brussels and ultimately all of Belgium.

    I hope that the Russian Federation will take them in, because I don’t see many other countries with the decency and loyalty to do so. Although fellow Slavs would be best , all Slavic populations are failing to reproduce at replacement rates, so Russia will find it worthwhile to settle for second-best from their perspective. Russia does have a vast territory (and civilization) to defend, administer, and cultivate with a declining, aging population, so it is desperately in need of people who are genetically and culturally as compatible and assimilable as possible. This necessarily means nonMuslim, nonJewish White European or Eurasian people.

    But please, Russians, do NOT ever let the coming flood of refugees from Europe and the USA be eligible for citizenship and voting rights — a flood that may include one of our own children. Permanent residency, a warm welcome, and free Russian-language classes, sure, but never citizenship.

    Russians should not underestimate the willingness of suicidally naive or self-loathing Euros (whether European or American) to recreate precisely the thing they fled. Americans see this with people fleeing California; normal white New Jerseyans saw this with Jews and other people fleeing New York City for decades.

    • 回复: @Hillaire
  36. @Hyperborean

    感谢您抽出宝贵的时间提供此类详细信息。 但是,关于这些丹麦的政策和分类:它们将无济于事,以防止非洲/阿拉伯和伊斯兰对丹麦的接管以及随之而来的丹麦人民的征服,吸收或流离失所。

    只要丹麦人的生育率低于替代率并且低于非洲,阿拉伯和穆斯林的生育率,他们(丹麦人)就将成为少数群体,并因此成为不尊重,迫害,身体不安全的少数群体。

    可笑的无效措施,如限制每所学校或教室中非丹尼斯人的百分比,禁止在公共场合禁止面纱或布尔卡舞等,随着殖民于丹麦的穆斯林和非洲人变得越来越多,更具侵略性,这些措施可以而且将被废除或不予理会。

  37. @Peter Lund

    What use are harsher sentences for violent crimes or crimes involving firearms or explosives, when they keep importing more of the same groups responsible for perpetrating a disproportionate and Increasing share of those crimes?

    Also, long prison sentences for such violent foreign colonizers further harms Danes: they get taxed more to pay for the prisoners’ upkeep for decades. Better to execute the serious or repeat violent offenders and be done with it.

    • 回复: @Peter Lund
  38. Peter Lund 说:
    @Dieter Kief

    Who on Earth told you we only got 1500 — and why do you believe them?

    Do note that the importation happy tend to talk about citizenship, asylum seekers, people with refugee status, foreign students, and temporary labour migrants in the same way that trickster thieves play the shell game with naïve marks. “Oh, they were only 1500”, “Oh, they are temporarily here, don’t worry”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_game

    Btw, we had lots of temporary labour migrants from Africa in the years up to 2008. They were such a sharp contrast to our Somalis that it was scarcely believable. They all spoke decent English and many of them had learned decent Danish in a year or two — while working, and without needing official, properly sanctioned classes or any support from the government. And they were usually nice people to boot!

  39. Peter Lund 说:
    @RadicalCenter

    If it were up to me, all 5 “Swedish” assassins would have been executed — together with the “Swedish” target who got away. They were all deeply involved in gang crime in Sweden.

    The harsher punishments do make it less appealing to operate in Denmark. They were also combined with lots of other improvements in the penal code that limited where gang members (and “gang adjacent” people) could gather and who they could see while on parole. I linked to the whole thing and google translate is a thing…

    We will probably have to close our border to Sweden at some point in the future because we are deeply negatively affected by 瑞典 crazy immigration policy. Our own is not nearly as insane.

  40. Peter Lund 说:
    @Dieter Kief

    Citizenship is given by law in Denmark. We pass two such laws per year. They list the names of everybody who gets citizenship + the city they live in (and occasionally their country of origin and whether their children also get citizenship).

    Here are the two laws from 2020:

    https://www.ft.dk/samling/20191/lovforslag/l180/20191_l180_som_vedtaget.htm
    https://www.ft.dk/samling/20201/lovforslag/l73/20201_l73_som_vedtaget.htm

    Take a glance at the 4805 names. Does it look like only 31% have Muslim names? On top of that, there are all sorts of immigrants who live here without having Danish citizenship.

  41. @songbird

    But in the meantime, I do admit to a little Schadenfreude at the EU being headquartered in Brussels, even if it not really an official thing. Though, as always, I suspect that the impetus of the political class will be towards settling these people in rural areas and the suburbs.

    They can attack the King’s car, but la samah Allah they start attacking EU apparatchiks.

  42. @Peter Lund

    Who on Earth told you we only got 1500 — and why do you believe them?

    See my comment NO. 1 above – The Telegraph, 23rd of Jan., 2021

    • 回复: @Peter Lund
  43. Peter Lund 说:
    @Dieter Kief

    那些是 寻求庇护者.

    > 1500 Muslim immigrants in 2020 does not seem to be that many.

    We gave citizenship to more. We allowed “familiesammenføring” (family “re”unification) for more. Familiesammenføring is often a scam, especially with certain ethnicities.

    https://www.nyidanmark.dk/-/media/Files/US/Tal-og-statistik/seneste_tal_udlaendingeeomraadet_2.pdf?la=da&hash=1119B931D72B075DE2527B5F2D012CBA05164F9C

    请参阅第11页上的表。

    Granted, not all of them are Muslim but the majority is bound to be. There will of course also be Danes+Germans, Danes+Poles, Danes+Thai, …

    • 回复: @Dieter Kief
  44. @Peter Lund

    谢谢。
    MP Mette Frederiksen is unmistakenly outspoken against asylum seekers. she wouldn’t have to do that. But she does. – She would be under the sharpest attacks if she said anything like that in Germany. – Oh and thanks too for saying that Danish immigration policy is not as insane as the Swedish one.

    I found it very interesting, that Norwegian Government officials (a minister – a women, if I recall correctly) said, they think Sweden is clearly on the wrong track (on the road to disintegration and chaos even. From what I remember, she said the same thing as you do: That it might become necessary to close the borders to Sweden. And she added – still: If I remember correctly – that the border then would for sure be closed – for native Swedes too.
    A sermon like Abraham a Sancta Clara’s…

    • 回复: @Alexandros
  45. Alexandros 说:
    @Dieter Kief

    Norway will never close the border. Never. There is not a single honest politician in all of parliament. The debates are like watching a competition in treason and mental insanity. Every single one of them should be publicly executed. Especially the Prime Minister. I would volunteer for that personally. Germany at least has a semblance of sanity with the AFD.

    In contrast to Sweden and Denmark, Norway’s political class are well trained in submission having been a colony for close to 600 years. By now they have become their own particular breed.

    On the other hand we did have Quisling, so there is some potential if the pest can be thrown off. But this pest extends like a veil over the entire government apparatus, hindering any and all attempts at opposition. In this country, if killing you is too bothersome, they have the entire medical profession ready to declare you insane and lock you up for the rest of your life, chemically altering your brain with drugs, Soviet style. And the media will be absolutely silent about it.

    One Minister had a private contractor murdered because the work man was unhappy about being stiffed by the multi millionaire politician. He was found drowned with cement blocks on his feet. Suicide. Media never reported it. And this was some low level business dispute, not a political threat. The Establishment does not fuck around in this little, liberal Scandinavian “paradise”.

    And an example how corrupt it can be at the top level. One rich guy, from the protected class, was caught red handed in some big financial crime. As if we were back in feudal times, the Police politely put the case in a drawer. And the rich guy, knowing how untouchable he is, created a public web site where he documented his own crimes for all to see. For the laughs. He knew he was completely safe. This is the real Norway that very few know about.

  46. Hillaire 说:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Your ignorance is somewhat understandable, some fools wish to seem reasonable even when dealing with the unreasonable..

    The aim is most certainly to dilute and ultimately destroy native ethnic cohesion, how that may be attained points more to your aimless musings, all projects may I add, rolled out in sympathy in support of the larger work.

    ‘the abdication of the white man’

    refer to churchills jewish handler and fake aristocrat, architect of bombing terror campaigns..

    frederick lindemann, viscount cherwell

    also that ‘mongrel bastard kalergi’ etc etc.. all private plans by groups of men are conspiracies.

  47. Hillaire 说:
    @RadicalCenter

    You obviously know nothing about Russia, a crime ridden multi-cultural hell hole already passed the point of no return, all they have is land….. and vodka.
    You should instead be preparing to fight for what is yours in your homeland with your own country men.

    All this talk of running to the east…. pah ! I’m sure the Russians have no need of you. We certainly have no need for them.. thirty million and counting.

  48. Hillaire 说:
    @Alexandros

    Indeed the political class in all western countries is as you describe.. removing them all has to be the main priority.

    Though it must be said female politicos are a particularly loathsome subset, the men more resemble some form of insect life.

  49. Johan 说:

    Living in Belgium, since about two years, I see nothing else than a consumerist work-slave mass man monoculture. Just like in the rest of the Western world. In one village in Flanders, the Western mass man’s monoculture was so intolerable, depressing and crude that moving into the city of Ghent, I was happy to see some non integrated foreigners. Though you can only speak of diversity as long as they are not ‘integrated’ into Western mass man’s monoculture yet. There is about next to no diversity in the West.

    • 回复: @Commentator Mike
  50. @Dieter Kief

    The GATESTONE Institute has a detailed report about the immigration/Islam debate in Denmark –

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/17025/denmark-asylum-seekers

    PS
    Places, where things like that are debated, are the ones that are ahead of the curve.

  51. @songbird

    I don’t know much about Belgium except – it’s WW1 neutrality – that it has nice beer – and that their national football side is very mixed race. Belgium’s teams do well at international tournaments (Euros and World Cup) for their size. I was surprised though at how mixed race they were in the last World Cup. I wondered how and when that changed. I thought it was a case where they just gave citizenship to good players to have a better team. But seems that it’s a society thing.

  52. @No Expert

    In all developed nations – feminism has seemingly taken root. Also – wherever you have a more educated population there tends to be a drop in birth rates. But then again – it’s more about the females then too… If women still were home rather than chasing careers- educated men would still have more children… Each society has to decide what they want… It’s almost impossible to have it all.

  53. @Johan

    You sure do offer a different perspective on things. What do you imply by “not ‘integrated’”? Not perhaps: loud, criminal, homeless? One way to cope with living in that depressing monoculture is keeping to yourself – societies everywhere tend to be uniform and boring, and changing your environment can be exciting at first but after a while it all gets to be the same, even if in a different way.

  54. Maciano 说:

    布鲁塞尔作为欧盟的一个独立城市州总部,实行低税制,确实是唯一可行的解​​决方案。 不用担心当地人投票选举社会主义者,在欧洲实行低税制非常可行,而且是实现这一目标的唯一途径。 增长本身将使社会主义政策不必要。 甚至出租车司机和服务员都可以在那里赚钱。

    此后,法兰德斯与荷兰可以成为荷兰联邦,而这两个国家都享有高度自治权。 我们将弄清楚如何使其工作。

    瓦隆(Wallonia)应该只是成为法国的一个省,从文化上来讲,它无论如何已经而且一直如此。 瓦隆(Wallonia)不可能在经济上保持独立。 它会像斯洛文尼亚一样贫穷和无能为力。

  55. @songbird

    It’s not that I want to see expulsion.
    I would have preferred that our national ‘democratic’ assemblies had lived up to their ideals and never allowed this to happen. Further, I would have preferred that they have come to their senses at some point. What the Social Democrat PM in Denmark is saying should have been acceptable speech decades ago in the West. Instead Jews and their agents screamed ‘racism’, the capitalist overlords sat back rubbing their palms in glee and the will of the people was sh#t upon. Now we are getting to the point of critical mass.

    We need to expel in an orderly and legal fashion. We need constitutional amendments that address the fundamental issue that our free societies were created by Europeans, and their diaspora, and that as such they must be populated by a majority European population. Then, in an orderly and legal fashion, we begin to deliver expulsion orders to Berbers, Arabs, Turks, South Asians, East Asians, and Africans. With all these people packed up and gone we can then focus on the core problem by expelling all Jews to Israel. That state was created for them yet they choose to live among Europeans and the Diaspora because they can engage in corrupt and predatory business practices and offer government a cut of the action.

    It is time to end this degeneracy and corruption.

    We cannot allow this situation to devolve to the point where actual violence occurs. IMHO, that must be avoided at all cost.

  56. @Peter Lund

    What you describe of African temp workers has been my experience too. I have met many Africans from countries that were former French colonies and found them to be very civil, hard working, religious people (in a good way) who spoke beautiful French.
    Unfortunately, what I know about Africa still makes me nervous especially given the performance of Haiti. Despite Islam being in Africa for nearly a thousand years it had never made such inroads in West Africa until recently. For reasons I am not aware, black West Africa has seen a massive conversion to Islam. It is now dominant in areas it never was before.
    Africa has, and will continue to have, problems with issues that are not understood by outsiders. I have no idea as to why but Female Genital Mutilation is rampant in sub-saharan Africa and yet this is independent of Islam.
    For a variety of reasons, African immigration is of great concern. It may not matter if the West skims off their best if in 2 generations there is a reversion to the mean in IQ. Having a bunch of 80 IQ people hanging around in a modern economy does not bode well for the future.
    I see it as importing a time bomb.
    Why do it if you don’t have to? Why risk your children and grand children’s futures?

  57. @Alexandros

    What you describe is the West.
    In Canada, bodies wash ashore on the beaches of Lake Ontario.
    They are noted at the back of The Toronto Star on pg A21.
    They are never identified.
    No mention is ever made of them again.
    This has been going on since the late 1970’s.
    Only certain people know these things in any society. In Canada it is the insiders and the ‘noticers’ (usually members of the chattering classes or, on occasion, very astute observers).

  58. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Basically, you are right Enoch. It is not a “plot” as such. It is a confluence of various issues many you mention and of course, another is the reality that atheist/agnostics in welfare states don’t reproduce and this means the apostate European natives are withering on the vine anyway.

  59. Philip 说:
    @Dieter Kief

    She is Prime Minister. The head of state is the Queen.

  60. geokat62 说:

    Not only was Mark Potok, of the SPLC, closely tracking American demographics, he was was keeping a close eye on European demographics for some mysterious reason:

  61. geokat62 说:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    The “conspiracy” seems to be believing that this process is intentionally done to dilute the power of native Europeans in their homelands. It is hard to know if this is really the case…

    As Barbara Lerner Spectre reminded us all, there is one pivotal driver for this catastrophic phenomenon….

    Never again! means saying goodbye to blood and soil and hello to multiculti.

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