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这场战争正式是阿塞拜疆与(未认出的)共和国之间的战争 纳戈尔诺·卡拉巴赫(Nagorno Karabakh) (RNK)又称“Artsakh共和国(ROA),我简称为Nagorno Karabakh或“ NK”。 通常情况是,现实要复杂得多。 一方面,自第一天(实际上,甚至在此之前)以来,埃尔多安的土耳其就一直深深地卷入其中,而自从苏联解体以来,亚美尼亚一直在支持NK。 更糟的是:土耳其是北约的成员,而亚美尼亚则是CSTO的成员。 因此,从理论上讲,在相对较小和偏远地区发动的战争可能会引发国际核战争。 这里的好消息是,北约或CSTO谁都不想发动这场战争,特别是因为从技术上讲,NK并不是亚美尼亚的一部分(亚美尼亚到目前为止还没有承认这个共和国!),因此,它不在该国的保护之下。 CSTO。 而且由于至少在目前为止还没有对土耳其进行适当的袭击,因此北约也没有理由卷入其中。

我要在这里提到,就国际法而言,NK是阿塞拜疆不可或缺的一部分。 不过,几乎每个人都同意,NK固有人员与NK军队围绕NK建立的安全区之间存在区别(请参见地图)

(注:纳希切万自治共和国是阿塞拜疆的一部分)
(注意: 纳希切万自治共和国 是阿塞拜疆的一部分)

但是,实际情况却大不相同,因此让我们依次看一下每个演员的立场,首先是发动战争的政党:阿塞拜疆。

阿塞拜疆 自从阿塞拜疆军队在 1988-1994年战争。 此外,对于阿里夫总统而言,这场战争可能是打败纳粹党和亚美尼亚部队的最好也是最后一次机会。 大多数观察家都同意,如果阿利耶夫(Aliev)至少没有取得胜利的表象,他将失去力量。

亚美尼亚 本来会很高兴保持现状并继续与日本国民党组成一个国家 事实上的 而剩下的两个国家 在法律上。 尽管如此,亚美尼亚人仍然生活在高加索地区严峻甚至危险的“邻里”中,却从未忘记他们被或多或少的敌对国家包围,就像他们仍然敏锐地意识到埃尔多安的新奥斯曼帝国意识形态一样,迟早会使战争不可避免。

伊朗经常被遗忘的伊拉克人,至少到目前为止,并未直接参与冲突,但通常对亚美尼亚表示同情,主要是因为埃尔多安的新奥斯曼帝国意识形态对包括伊朗在内的整个地区构成了危险。

土耳其 在阿塞拜疆部队的改组和重组中起了重要的幕后作用。 与利比亚一样,尽管亚美尼亚人的防空系统非常出色,但土耳其的无人驾驶飞机仍被用来对付NK部队,具有强大的效能。 至于埃尔多安本人,这场战争是他将自己描绘成某种新奥斯曼帝国苏丹的最新尝试,这将使他统治下的所有突厥人重新团聚。

关于这场冲突的主要误解之一是,人们假设俄罗斯一直,并将一直站在亚美尼亚和纳粹党一边,但是对于1917年以前的俄罗斯确实是这样,但如今情况并非如此。全部。 为什么?

让我们检查一下 俄语 在这场冲突中的位置。

首先,让我们排除明显的障碍:亚美尼亚(相对于NK,是正确的)是CSTO的成员,如果有人(包括阿塞拜疆和/或土耳其)攻击亚美尼亚,俄罗斯肯定会介入并制止该攻击,通过政治甚至军事手段。 考虑到在臭名昭著的过程中土耳其对亚美尼亚人民做了什么 1914-1923年的亚美尼亚大屠杀 这是完全有道理的:至少现在亚美尼亚人民知道俄罗斯永远不会允许发生另一场种族灭绝。 土耳其人也知道这一点。

然而,事情也不是那么简单。

例如,俄罗斯确实向阿塞拜疆出售了许多先进的武器系统(请参阅 此处 举一个很好的例子)。 实际上,众所周知,弗拉基米尔·普京(Vladimir Putin)和伊拉姆·阿利耶夫(Ilham Aliyev)之间的关系非常热情。 尽管阿塞拜疆确实在1999年离开了CSTO,但俄罗斯和阿塞拜疆仍然保持着非常良好的关系,其中有些甚至被描述为伙伴关系或同盟关系。

此外,阿塞拜疆在俄罗斯方面比亚美尼亚是更好的合作伙伴,特别是自索罗斯资助以来 2018年的“色彩革命” 哪个放 尼科尔·帕希尼安(Nikol Pashinian) 当权的。 自从Pashinian上台以来,亚美尼亚一直遵循相同的“多媒介”政策,该政策使白俄罗斯的卢卡申科(Lukashenko)试图抛弃俄罗斯并融入欧盟/北约/美国的主导地区。 白俄罗斯和亚美尼亚之间的两个最大区别是:a)白俄罗斯人和俄罗斯人是同一民族; b)俄罗斯承受不了失去白俄罗斯的压力,而俄罗斯对亚美尼亚的需求实际上为零。

不利的一面是,阿塞拜疆不仅在1999年离开了CSTO,而且阿塞拜疆也加入了 公开反俄GUAM组织 (总部设在基辅)。

接下来,是从俄罗斯看到的土耳其-埃尔多安因素。 简而言之,俄罗斯人永远不会相信任何拥有埃尔多安新奥斯曼帝国世界观和意识形态的土耳其人。 俄罗斯已经战斗 针对奥斯曼帝国的十二次全面战争 她不希望让土耳其人触发另一人(他们在叙利亚北部击落一架俄罗斯Su-24M时几乎做到了)。 当然,至少在军事上,俄罗斯比土耳其要强大得多,但是从政治上来说,对土耳其的公开战争可能对俄罗斯的外交和内部政策目标造成灾难性的影响。 而且,当然,让俄罗斯避免将来发生此类战争的最佳方法是绝对确保土耳其人意识到,如果他们发动进攻,土耳其人将在很短的时间内遭受惨败。 到目前为止,这已经非常有效,尤其是在俄罗斯从美国支持的针对他的政变中拯救了埃尔多安之后。

一些观察家认为,俄罗斯和亚美尼亚是基督教徒,前者对后者负有某种道义上的义务。 我完全不同意。 我在这里不同意的主要原因是,俄罗斯人现在已经敏锐地意识到,我们(假设的)“兄弟”和(假设的)“同胞基督徒”在俄罗斯急需时就表现出令人不快的感激之情。

大多数亚美尼亚人不是东正教徒,而是亚美尼亚使徒教会的成员,是神职人员/单身生物。 他们也不是斯拉夫人。

对俄罗斯表示真正感谢的唯一奴隶或东正教徒是塞尔维亚人。 他们中的所有其他人都立即冲向Shmuel叔叔卖淫,并相互竞争以争夺部署针对俄罗斯的美国武器系统的“荣誉”。 事实是,像每个超级大国一样,俄罗斯太大也太强大,无法拥有真正的“朋友”(塞尔维亚是该规则的一个非常漂亮的例外)。 俄国沙皇亚历山大三世曾说过:俄罗斯只有两个真正的盟友:她的军队和海军”。 好吧,今天的名单更长了(现在我们可以增加航空航天部队,FSB等),但是就外部盟友或朋友而言,只有塞尔维亚人(相对于一些塞尔维亚领导人而言)那里是俄罗斯的真正朋友(尽管在埃尔斯汀和他的“民主寡头”统治下,俄罗斯可耻地出卖了包括塞尔维亚在内的一长串国家和政治领导人)。

再有就是宗教因素,尽管在过去至关重要,但实际上在这场冲突中没有任何作用。 哦,可以肯定,双方的政治领导人都喜欢将自己描绘成宗教,但这只是PR。 现实情况是,阿塞拜疆人和亚美尼亚人都将种族因素置于任何宗教之上,这仅仅是因为,由于前苏联的好战无神论,如今,亚美尼亚,阿塞拜疆乃至俄罗斯的许多人(如果不是大多数的话)都是不可知的世俗主义者对“塑造他们的民族身份的精神价值”(或类似的东西)只不过是一时的兴趣。

俄罗斯最关注的一个问题是土耳其人塔克菲里斯(Takfiris)从叙利亚迁往阿塞拜疆。 俄国人已经证实这已经发生了(法国也报道了这一点),如果属实,那将使俄罗斯有权在阿塞拜疆人的土地上袭击这些塔克菲里斯人。 到目前为止,这种威胁很小,但是如果它成为现实,我们可以期待俄罗斯的巡航导弹进入现场。

最后,俄罗斯有主要的阿塞拜疆人和亚美尼亚人,这意味着两件事:首先,俄罗斯不能让这场冲突越过边界并感染俄罗斯;其次,有数以百万计的俄罗斯人会建立联系,通常是牢固的关系,到这两个国家。

尽管他们目前尚未正式参与,但我们仍然至少必须从表面上看一下 帝国对这种冲突的看法。 总而言之,我要说的是,帝国对这场危机绝对感到高兴,这场危机是俄罗斯第三次爆发的危机(其他两次是乌克兰和白俄罗斯)。 帝国实际上对俄罗斯没有什么可做的:经济封锁和制裁完全失败,从军事角度来讲,俄罗斯比帝国强大得多。 简而言之:帝国根本没有直接与俄罗斯对抗的条件,但是在俄罗斯周边地区引发冲突确实很容易。

一方面,苏联的内部行政边界与前苏联各族裔的居住地完全不同。 看着他们,您会以为他们被精确地绘制出来,以在被分割成许多小块的许多种族之间产生最大的张力,这是可以原谅的。 接受前苏维埃共和国脱离苏联的权利也是没有逻辑的,但是拒绝那些现在想与一个新创建的共和国分离的地方行政实体同样的权利,而他们不想成为其中的一部分。

其次,在苏联解体之后突然出现的许多(如果不是大多数的话)所谓的“国家”和“民族”根本就没有历史现实。 直接的结果是,这些新生的“民族”没有扎根的历史基础,也不知道独立真正意味着什么。 有些国家,例如亚美尼亚人,其根源可追溯到上古,但它们目前的边界确实根本没有任何基础。 无论哪种情况,Shmuel叔叔进入这些新独立的国家都非常容易,尤其是因为这些国家中的许多(甚至大多数)都将俄罗斯视为敌人(由帝国主导的意识形态提供) (前苏联边缘地区绝大部分无知的人)。 结果? 周边地区都充满了暴力甚至战争(俄国人认为这是他们的“近国”)。

我认为,大多数俄罗斯人都知道,尽管为此付出了沉重的代价,但从苏联撤离前苏联外围国家却是变相带来的福气。 无数次民意测验证实了这一点,民意测验表明,俄罗斯人民通常对任何涉及在俄罗斯境外使用俄罗斯武装部队的计划都持怀疑态度(例如,普京的所有“街头信条”都说服了俄罗斯人民说服俄罗斯对叙利亚进行军事干预是一个好主意)。

还有一件我们必须永远记住的事情:对于美国和西方关于俄罗斯的所有愚蠢宣传,以及后来的苏联,苏联都是“人民的监狱”(小国在这个“监狱”中的生存比他们要好得多)在全世界的欧洲殖民者的“民主”统治下!),事实是,由于苏联共产党人的疯狂憎恶俄罗斯观点(至少直到斯大林–他扭转了这一趋势),苏维埃“外围”共和国的生活都比“剩下的俄罗斯”,苏联人称之为RSFSR。 实际上,从许多方面来说,苏联时期对苏联所有非俄罗斯共和国都是福气,直到现在,在普京领导下,这种趋势终于得以扭转。 如今,俄罗斯比周围国家富裕得多,她不想在一个充满敌意和永远忘恩负义的边缘上挥霍这些财富。 底线是:俄罗斯完全不欠亚美尼亚或阿塞拜疆等国家,他们也无权指望俄罗斯提供援助:这不会发生,至少不会发生,除非俄罗斯通过这项干预取得可衡量的积极成果。

尽管如此,现在让我们看一下俄罗斯可能要进行干预的原因。

首先,这又是一例埃尔多安的狂妄自大和恶意行为,给俄罗斯带来了非常危险的局面。 毕竟,阿塞拜疆人为确保对土耳其的公开干预所需要做的就是攻击亚美尼亚,这可能会迫使俄罗斯进行干预,或者遭到亚美尼亚人的严打,以至于土耳其可能不得不干预以避免历史损失为阿利耶夫(Aliev)和埃尔多安(Erdogan)的脸。

其次,对于俄罗斯来说,至关重要的是要证明CSTO至关重要并有效地保护CSTO成员国。 换句话说,如果俄罗斯让土耳其直接攻击亚美尼亚,则CSTO将丧失所有信誉,这是俄罗斯无法允许的。

第三,对俄罗斯至关重要的是,向阿塞拜疆和亚美尼亚证明,美国长期以来热火朝天,没有兑现承诺,但在高加索地区无法做任何事情。 换句话说,这场战争的解决方案必须是俄罗斯的战争,而不是美国/北约/欧盟的战争。 一旦在高加索地区清楚地表明,像中东一样,俄罗斯现在已成为下一个“国王制造者”,那么整个地区将最终恢复和平,并缓慢恢复繁荣。

到目前为止,俄罗斯人在声明中一直非常谨慎。 他们大多说,只有在这场冲突的所有各方都同意部署俄罗斯维和人员之后,才能部署俄罗斯维和人员。 目前,我们离这一点还很遥远。

这是迄今为止发生的事情:阿塞拜疆人显然希望进行短暂而胜利的战争,但是尽管训练,装备等方面取得了非常实际的进步,但阿塞拜疆人突击步枪显然失败了,尽管阿塞拜疆人的军事力量比阿塞拜疆人强大NK +亚美尼亚人之一。 的确,阿塞拜疆人确实取得了一些初步的成功,但都发生在大多位于平原的小镇上。 但是,请查看此运营区域的地形图,并亲自了解阿塞拜疆人最大的问题是:

NK几乎全部都位于山区(因此,前缀“ nagorno”意为“巨大”),即使对于装备精良和装备精良的部队(尤其是在冬季,这种情况),山区的进攻性军事行动也确实是一场噩梦。正在迅速接近)。 很少有国家能够成功地在山区进行进攻行动,俄罗斯就是其中之一,而阿塞拜疆显然不是。

目前,双方只在一件事上达成共识:只有全面胜利才能停止这场战争。 尽管从政治上讲这种语言是有道理的,但大家都知道,这场战争不会以一方的完全胜利和另一方的完全失败而告终。 一个简单的事实是,阿塞拜疆人无法占领整个NK,而亚美尼亚人(在亚美尼亚境内和NK)则无法反击并击败平原上的阿塞拜疆军队。

就目前而言,只要阿塞拜疆人和亚美尼亚人同意他们不会在总胜利之前就停下来,俄罗斯就根本无法干预。 尽管她拥有迫使双方完全陷入僵局的军事力量,但她没有这样做的合法权利,请记住,与美国不同,俄罗斯确实尊重国际法(如果仅仅是因为她没有计划成为“下一个”)美国”或负责维护世界和平的某种世界霸主)。 因此,俄罗斯的军事干预只有两种可能的选择:

  1. 对亚美尼亚领土的直接袭击(并有确凿的证据证实)
  2. 阿塞拜疆人和亚美尼亚人都同意俄罗斯应该进行干预。

我坚信,埃尔多安(Erdogan)和阿利耶夫(Aliev)会尽一切努力防止方案一的发生(尽管他们会尽其所能 缺少对亚美尼亚的公开攻击 占上风)。 但是,确实发生了事故,因此冲突的迅速急剧升级的风险将一直存在,直到双方都同意制止。

现在,任何一方都没有取得明显的胜利,而且正如我为写这些话而感到可悲的是,双方都有足够的储备(不仅是军事储备,而且还有政治和经济储备)可以保留更长的时间。 但是,双方都没有进行长期的流血性消耗战的必要条件,特别是在山脉地区。 因此,双方可能已经意识到,这一行动必须早日停止(而不是稍后)(据一些俄罗斯专家说,我们在这里只谈几周)。

此外,发生了许多非常危险的升级,包括对城市和基础设施物体的大炮和导弹袭击。 如果亚美尼亚人真的被撞墙,他们既可以认出NK,也可以凭借其强大的能力打击阿塞拜疆能源和石油/天然气基础设施 伊斯坎德尔 战术弹道导弹。 如果发生这种情况,那么我们几乎可以肯定,阿塞拜疆人和土耳其人都将试图攻击亚美尼亚,从而造成戏剧性和最危险的后果。

这场冲突可能变得更加血腥,更加危险。 因此,制止它符合整个地区(而不是美国)的利益。 亚美尼亚的游说会强大到足以迫使美国采取更有益的立场吗? 到目前为止,美国至少在正式方面呼吁各方停火(以及法国和俄罗斯),但我们都知道什米尔叔叔的话能得到多少信任。 至少没有公开证据表明美国在幕后进行战争(当然,没有这样的证据并不意味着没有这样的行动!)。

在撰写本文时(9月XNUMX日),俄罗斯必须等待当事方恢复现实并接受谈判解决方案。 如果发生这种情况,那么还有其他选择,包括使NK成为阿塞拜疆的一个特殊地区,该地区将由在NK地区内部署的俄罗斯部队直接置于俄罗斯和/或CSTO的直接保护之下。 甚至有可能在NK周围遍布土耳其军事力量(甚至里面还有一些监控器!),以向阿塞拜疆人保证亚美尼亚部队已经离开该地区并仍在外。 阿塞拜疆人已经知道,他们不冒险冒险就无法击败亚美尼亚,而且他们可能会意识到自己无法超越NK。 对于亚美尼亚人来说,打出“多矢量”牌非常好玩,但俄罗斯将不再遵守这些规则。 她的信息很简单: 如果您是Shmuels叔叔的母狗,那么让Shmuel叔叔拯救您; 如果您希望我们提供帮助,请给我们一个非常好的理由:我们正在倾听”.

在我看来,这是一个非常合理的立场,我希望并相信俄罗斯会坚持下去。

PS:最新消息是普京邀请阿塞拜疆和亚美尼亚外交部长来莫斯科进行“磋商”(不是“谈判”,至少目前还没有),调解人为谢尔盖·拉夫罗夫。 好的。 也许这可以挽救生命,因为坏的和平总比好战争好。

PPS:最新消息(世界标准时间9月0110日XNUMX年)是俄罗斯人迫使亚美尼亚和阿塞拜疆进行了超过XNUMX个小时的谈判,但最终,双方同意立即停火并开始实质性谈判。 坦率地说,考虑到双方之间的极端敌对态度,我认为这一结果几乎是奇迹。 拉夫罗夫今天真正赢得了应聘! 尽管如此,我们现在仍然必须看看俄罗斯是否可以说服双方切实遵守这一协定。 这是有关此结果的第一份俄罗斯报道的机器翻译:

俄罗斯联邦,阿塞拜疆共和国和亚美尼亚共和国外交部长的声明

为响应俄罗斯联邦总统普京的呼吁,并根据俄罗斯联邦总统普京,阿塞拜疆共和国总统阿里耶夫和亚美尼亚共和国内政部帕欣延的总理的协议,各方同意以下步骤:

1.根据国际红十字国际委员会的调解,自12年00月10日下午2020:XNUMX起宣布停火,用于人道主义目的,以交换战俘及其他被拘留者和死者的尸体叉。

2.停火制度的具体参数将另行商定。

3.在欧安组织明斯克小组共同主席的调解下,阿塞拜疆共和国和亚美尼亚共和国在解决的基本原则基础上开始实质性谈判,以期尽快达成和平解决。

4.双方确认谈判过程格式的不变性。

 
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  1. Rahan 说:

    好文章!
    Concerning who fed whom during the USSR years:

    The data shows that Russia and Belarus were the donors to the overall budget, while everyone else fed off that budget. Most of all Georgia, Armenia, and Estonia, but in one way or another, everyone. Except the Ukraine, which was almost self-sufficient.

    That being said, the Soviet system, in terms of quality of life and freedoms (ignoring for now the need to be a fortified state whom world capital constantly tries to destroy) was all over the place.

    Many people, for example, can in hindsight forgive the shortages, the bribes, the closed borders, the ecological situation, the lines, the censorship, the universal snitching, the waiting for a car or a TV for years, but cannot forgive the dentistry. Others can forgive the dentistry, but not some of the other elements.

    In this sense, I’d imagine many middle-aged Latvians or Moldovians can admit that yes, their countries benefited overall from the Soviet budget, and now have lost half their population to emigration, but boy is it worth it to be able to have access to decent dentistry and full shop shelves.

    China and Vietnam managed to swing this transition to full shelves and normal dentistry without collapsing. The USSR did not.

  2. Sunshine 说:

    Yes, it is good news that they have agreed to a cease fire. Hopefully they can somehow work it out. It’s a crime that there was almost zero coverage of this in the US media. But what would one expect from the lügenpresse?

  3. Anonymous[393]• 免责声明 说:

    I don’t know much about this conflict, but from what I’ve seen, the Armenians are getting absolutely 元气大伤 by Azerbaijan drone strikes.
    It looks like a complete slaughter, the Armenians are just sitting ducks basically.

  4. Blade 说:

    Russia and France are too countries that are most responsible for the problems of Armenians. Had it not been for them, neither Armenians would be expelled nor would they fight against Turks and Kurds. Therefore, they cannot be trusted anything regarding Armenians. They just want to use Armenians as they did in 19th and early 20th century, therefore they will do everything in their ability to prevent a solution in NK. That aside, the next two decades, Russian influence will continue fading while Turkish influence will keep increasing in Caucasus. Had it not been for an adversarial USA, it could be even faster, and it would be good for US interests as well. However, the US administration have too many airheads who can only see the surface. Russians just talk big, and often after the fact. They are in a way masters of pretending an outcome is because of their interference even when it has nothing to do with them. Operation in NK should continue, Armenia should cede the territory and ask for Turkey to open its borders for trade and travel. That is the best way forward for their people. Otherwise they are doomed to be pawns of Turkey’s adversaries for the foreseeable future.

    • 巨魔: Yevardian
  5. Wasn’t it Stalin who created NK as this odd ‘island’ of the Armenian SSR and the parallel Azeri ‘island’ of Nakhchivan? Was this done because mainly Armenians live in NK (and Azeris in Nakhchivan) or was there some other reason for this? I can’t remember who coined the formula but it readily comes to mind: Diversity + Proximity = War.

  6. @Rahan

    Dentistry is a perfect example for what was wrong.

    • 同意: Rahan
  7. Anonymous[656]• 免责声明 说:
    @Rahan

    “Except the Ukraine, which was almost self-sufficient.”

    在斯大林引起的乌克兰饥荒期间?

    You’re disqualified.

    • 回复: @Rahan
    , @Richard S
    , @Alden
  8. This is why Russia should have prevented the war from starting in the first place:

    1. The Ottomans are still a part of NATO. They are still the second largest and by far the best, no comparison at all, in fact the only competent military force in NATO. They are also the most strategically located single country in NATO, sitting as they do across the chokepoint of the Black Sea and overlooking all of West Asia. No matter what the babble, Amerikastan is not under any circumstances going to evict the Ottomans from NATO, even if it could.

    2. As a consequence of this, an Ottomanised Azerbaijan is a NATO Azerbaijan in all but name.

    3. The idea of “punishing” Armenia by allowing the Ottoman-Azerbaijan-Headchopper Alliance (OAHA for short) to attack Artsakh is absolutely wrong.

    (a) It might only play into Pashinyan’s hands, assuming the idea (increasingly being voiced on multiple fora) that he wants to lose the war in order to sacrifice Artsakh and – free of the territorial dispute that might block the accession – join NATO is true. Russia would be faced with a NATO Armenia and a NATOised Azerbaijan together. A good idea? I think not.

    (b) Officially, Artsakh isn’t part of Armenia. Therefore it is not responsible for the crimes of the Pashinyan regime. Therefore allowing it to be overrun is ipso facto not an acceptable response to teach *Pashinyan* a lesson.

    (c) If Artsakh is overrun, what happens to the other republics that seceded from post Soviet states? What about Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Transnistria? What about the two Donbass republics, which let me remind you, Russia doesn’t recognise *任何一个*? Does anyone really think the Ukranazis won’t take the hint that Russia won’t intervene unless they attack Russia itself?

    4. If part or all of Nagorno Karabakh is captured by OAHA, what exactly is stopping Sultan Erdogan from repopulating the place with jihadi headchoppers just as he did in Jisr al Shughour with his Uighur imports? A jihadi headchopper ministate in Russia’s underbelly isn’t exactly a great idea.

    This is why on a prolonged war of attrition OAHA is guaranteed to win:

    1. The Azeri blitzkrieg could never have won and was not designed to win. A look at the map shows that OAHA is enveloping Nagorno Karabakh in a pincer movement from North and South, trying to cut off the territory from Armenia.

    2. The Armenian armed forces are strictly limited in their ability to commit personnel to Nagorno Karabakh. They have to keep the bulk of their troops to defend Armenia itself against any possible Azeri-Ottoman attack from the west or north east. It’s the perennial problem of a two front war. In comparison OAHA has no such constraints; it knows that Armenia can’t attack Azerbaijan itself.

    3. In order to limit politically disastrous losses the Aliyev regime is using the jihadi headchoppers as shock troops, holding back Azeri forces for the final push, while the Ottomans establish air supremacy over the battlefield.

    4. As a consequence of these the Armenian forces will be pinned down and subjected to attrition that they cannot survive.

    5. Meanwhile OAHA is deliberately attacking civilians in Stepanakert and elsewhere in order to provoke a refugee exodus into Armenia. This has already been substantially successful with some 50% of the population fleeing.

    This is how Russia could have prevented the war in the first place:

    1. It is inconceivable that Russian intelligence cannot have been aware that the war was being planned. Therefore the decision to let it happen must have been made.

    2. A couple of phone calls and one public statement would have been all that was necessary to stop it from happening.

    (i) A phone call to Erdogan saying that Putin knew what he was up to and that it would have dire economic consequences for Russian-Turkish relations, such as another ban on tourism.

    (ii) A phone call to Pashinyan saying that Russia isn’t overwhelmed with joy at his actions since 2018 and that if this continues Russia will stand aside and let any future OAHA offensive overrun not just Artsakh but Armenia itself.

    (iii) A public statement that Russia will not tolerate the changing of the facts on the ground by military action – by anybody.

    I do not see that the Ottomans would dare to begin their aggression under those conditions. And under the *当前的* conditions I do not see them ending their aggression short of the fall of Artsakh entirely or most substantially.

    However, Putin worshippers like the Saker will obsessively support anything at all Putin does, even if the result is a total failure.

    • 同意: John Regan, Vojkan, Alfred
    • 回复: @RT
    , @TheIdiot
    , @Beckow
  9. @Sunshine

    The ceasefire is just to exchange prisoners and bury bodies.

    • 同意: Richard S
  10. @Anonymous

    The drone strikes are devastating, but the problem is that the Azeri ground troops are sub par and don’t take full advantage of the air superiority. Armenians made a ton of ambushes and the dead Azeris are piling up fast.
    Also Azerbaijan is claiming to have destroyed more artillery equipment than Armenia even possess, so obvious exaggeration taking place.
    Soon their drones will be depleted and with those goes the dominance in air and with that goes their advantage.

  11. 很棒的文章
    I think that variation of the agreement that the Saker envisions will be implemented long term. The autonomous region within Azerbaijan with Russian and Turkish presence.

  12. padre 说:
    @Anonymous

    Who’s being decimated depends largely on who is reporting it!

    • 同意: Tom Welsh
  13. Miro23 说:

    The truth is that like every superpower, Russia is too big and too powerful to have real “friends” (Serbia being a quite beautiful exception to this rule).

    A realistic assessment of national interests would probably indicate that the Visegrad Group (Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia) take a more balanced attitude to Russia (and fade the links to Empire). The current US is not the US of the 1950’s, and Russia under Putin isn’t the old Soviet Union.

    Culturally, Russia and Visegrad seem to heading in the same direction, while the Empire continues its descent into NWO, Regime Change, ZioGlob madness.

  14. And yet, under international law, Büsingen am Hochrhein, surrounded by Switzerland, is part of Germany. Is there some reason Azerbaijan can’t deal with it?

    • 回复: @Tim too
  15. MMK 说:

    A really well-written article. I had no idea of where these countries were, what the politics was about, and who the players really are and this article covered everything.

    Not sure if “…continue to form one country with the NK 事实上的 而剩下的两个国家 在法律上” should actually be the other way round; i.e. “continue to form one country with the NK 在法律上 而剩下的两个国家 事实上的“......

  16. HeebHunter 说:
    @Rahan

    Because the retarded slavs bought into (((marx))) hook, line and sinker.
    The Asians have always been ethnic nationalists first. They never taught the original copy of communist manifesto, lest their own people would slit the funtionaries’ throat.

    • 回复: @Rahan
    , @Derer
  17. Tom Welsh 说:

    “Oh sure, political leaders on both sides like to portray themselves as religious, but this is just PR”.

    I can’t resist drawing attention to Private Eye’s gorgeous expression of this idea (in the case of British prime minister Jim Callaghan):

    https://www.private-eye.co.uk/covers/cover-453

  18. Tom Welsh 说:
    @Anonymous

    It does look that way. But then – how reliable are our sources? (Other than the Saker and his friends, obviously).

    Ironic that your comment has appeared immediately below Sunshine’s, with his reference to the Lügenpresse. (Lying press).

  19. Tom Welsh 说:

    “…if true, that would give Russia the right to strike these Takfiris on Azeri soil”.

    After, I should hope, certain obvious preliminaries. Perhaps the formidable duo of Mr Lavrov and Mr Shoigu could figure prominently in these. (“If you don’t talk to Lavrov…”)

    1. Formally warn the Azeri government that such terrorists are on its soil and planning, or even carrying out, terrorist acts of violence.

    2. Formally ask the Azeri government to deal with those terrorists.

    3. Failing effective Azeri government action, offer practical help to deal with the terrorists.

    4. Failing all else, and after the expiration of a decent interval, and with expressions of regret – deal with the terrorists.

  20. Agathoklis 说:

    “My main reason to disagree here is that Russians now are acutely aware of the disgusting lack of gratitude of our (supposed) “brothers” and (supposed) “fellow Christians” have shown as soon as Russia was in need.

    Weird statement from a Greek perspective. Apart from support in 2004 regarding the Annan Plan Russia has done very little for us (ever). Whereas Greece and Cyprus are always supportive of Russia in the EU. However, what does Russia do? They sell S-400s to Turkey. Russia sure knows how to lose long-standing friends.

    “The truth is that like every superpower, Russia is too big and too powerful to have real “friends” (Serbia being a quite beautiful exception to this rule).”

    Hilarious. Russia is not a superpower. They are simply a regional power who is losing influence as we speak and gradually moving to a middle ranking power on par with France.

    • 哈哈: Alfred
    • 回复: @anon
    , @AnonFromTN
  21. GMC 说:

    The first thing I saw , when it came to maps , is who the hell draws these boundary lines – lol The entire Mid East looks like a drunken land locked sailor drew up the national boundary lines. Anyways, I don’t see anyone trying to explain the 2nd largest US/CIA Embassy in the World , in a country with 2,9 million people – Armenia. Maybe because it’s strictly, a military / intel outlet and hiding place , that fronts for a so called diplomatic embassy when needed. Just like the largest US Embassy in Iraq. Can only imagine how many bribes it took for the one in Armenia. The US Embassy in Kiev, showed the world what US embassies really do – and it has nothing to do with diplomacy.

    • 回复: @Tom Welsh
    , @Philip Owen
  22. Mikael_ 说:

    得益于前苏联好战的无神论者,亚美尼亚,阿塞拜疆乃至俄罗斯的许多人(即使不是大多数人)如今都是不可知论的世俗主义者

    今天,也许 由前苏联好战的无神论者提供, Christian values are thriving in Russia –
    而且我会走得更远,并说俄罗斯是基督教在世界上生存的最后希望!

    • 回复: @anonymous
  23. Yevardian 说:

    At the time of writing this (Oct. 9th) Russia has to wait for the parties to come back to reality and accept a negotiated solution. If and when that happens, there are options out there, including making NK a special region of Azerbaijan which would be placed under the direct protection of Russia and/or the CSTO with Russian forces deployed inside the NK region. It would even be possible to have a Turkish military presence all around the NK (and even some monitors inside!) to reassure the Azeris that Armenian forces have left the region and are staying out.

    LOL good luck with that, nothing short of total military catastrophe for Artsakh would have people accept such a fate, even if you look within the EU, I would not want to Hungarian in Romania. Aliyev has openly stated, recently, multiple times Armenia is ‘a fake country that shouldn’t exist’. Azerbaijan is the country that welcomed back from training in Hungary an Axe-Murderer (while his fellow cadet was sleeping, no less) as a national hero.

    (Armenia has not even recognized this republic so far!)

    Being a landlocked rump-state surrounded by people who previously tried to genocide you (and in the Arab manner, deny it happened, whilst simultaneously regretting ‘not enough’), it’s perfectly obvious Armenia is in position to endure international condemnation for violating the sacredness of post-Soviet borders.

    Our dear author first mentions this:

    For example, Russia did sell a lot of advanced weapon systems to Azerbaijan (see here for one good example). In fact, relations between Vladimir Putin and Ilham Aliyev are famously very warm. And while it is true that Azerbaijan left the CSTO in 1999, Russia and Azerbaijan have retained a very good relationship which some even characterize as a partnership or even an alliance.

    While in the very next paragraph wondering what 可能 motive Armenia could have for hedging its bets. Yes, I agree its a stupid idea to rely on the US for security, especially here, but it’s quite obvious (as our dear author has alluded to above) that Russia is far from a genuine friend either.

    Furthermore, Azerbaijan has been a much better partner to Russia than Armenia, especially since the Soros-financed “color revolution” of 2018 which put Nikol Pashinian in power

    Sargsyan极度腐败,反正会对他产生强烈反对。 当然,俄罗斯政府完全忽略了其合作伙伴中的此类事情,因为杜马充满了小偷和骗子。

    • 同意: John Regan
    • 回复: @Felix Keverich
  24. Wazdo 说:

    Thanks for clearing up the situation; until I read this I had no idea what the issues were.

  25. @Anonymous

    是的无人机罢工是真正的游戏规则改变者

    它将嘲笑有关S300 / 400/500防空系统的所有宣传谎言!

    事实上,以色列F35突袭叙利亚的伊朗代理人时已经绕过了这些系统

    Ironically its Israel who are supplying these drones to Azerbaijani force’s

    The future of warfare is radically changing towards drones

    • 同意: Old and Grumpy
    • 回复: @FB
  26. Tom Welsh 说:

    As far as I can see – talking from a position of profound ignorance illuminated only by the wise explanations of the Saker and others – there is the difficulty that NK is, legally, part of Azerbaijan.

    Thus anyone wishing ill to Armenia and Russia can legitimately argue that the Azeri government is merely trying to bring a dissident part of its own territory (and society) into compliance with its laws.

    Much as the Kiev junta argues about Donetsk and Lugansk (and, indeed, Crimea).

    For Armenia to bombard Azeri territory (or, strictly, even NK territory) would put Armenia squarely in the wrong as far as the UN, for instance, is concerned.

    Perhaps that is Washington’s hope. Put enough pressure on NK that the Armenians panic and strike Azerbaijan. Technically, that would be an act of unprovoked aggressive war. If the Azeris retaliated against Armenia, that would be a legitimate act of war in self-defence, and would compel Russia to support Armenia, thus implicating itself in the unprovoked aggressive war.

    At that point, Washington could – if it chose – bring NATO into play, and even have Armenia and Russia condemned by the UN.

    So I imagine that Russia’s top priority must be to make absolutely sure the Armenians do not attack Azerbaijan. It is indeed a highly combustible situation; and it’s little consolation that there are also highly combustible situations in such places as Wisconsin.

  27. Tom Welsh 说:
    @GMC

    “The entire Mid East looks like a drunken land locked sailor drew up the national boundary lines”.

    And not necessarily by mistake, or out of ignorance. If you have had a thriving colonial empire and someone forces you to give it up, what better strategy than to leave behind a carefully designed state of violent chaos? That avoids the main consequence of decolonisation: the emergence of powerful and competent national governments.

    Also, consider that the entire Middle East (and North Africa) was part of the Ottoman Empire a mere 110 years ago. (As were the Balkans a further 50-60 years earlier).

    The resurgence of the Ottoman Empire should be looked upon no more favourably than that of the British, Austro-Hungarian, French or Spanish empires.

    • 回复: @Alfred
  28. Tom Welsh 说:
    @Miro23

    “The current US is not the US of the 1950’s [sic]”.

    The US of the 1950s was not the US of the 1950s.

  29. It seems that Israel is playing an important role in this war.

    The NK defence is based on positions on dominating high ground. These positions are being eliminated by very advanced loitering munitions (“kamikaze drones”), supplied by Israel.

  30. Robjil 说:

    In the 19th century people believed in the people’s right to vote. Nice voted to join France instead of Italy. Why can’t voting rights of people be “allowed” in the 21st century? Why is Bolshevik borders so sacred these day? It wasn’t so “sacred” for Kosovo. Why is it so “sacred” everywhere else in the world?

    http://www.emersonkent.com/historic_documents/treaty_of_turin_1860.htm

    The Treaty of Turin was concluded between France, led by Napoleon III, and Sardinia-Piedmont, led by Victor Emmanuel II.

    Savoy and the County of Nice was given to France in exchange for French military support against Austria and general French good-will regarding the formation of a unified Italy under leadership of the Duke of Savoy.

    The plebiscite of Savoy on April 22 and 23, 1860, and the plebiscite of Nice on April 15 and 16, 1860, sealed the deal, rigged or not.

    Savoy voted 99.3% and Nice voted 99.8% in favor of annexation to France.

  31. Rahan 说:
    @Anonymous

    “Except the Ukraine, which was almost self-sufficient.”
    在斯大林引起的乌克兰饥荒期间?
    You’re disqualified.

    Imagine a discussion of the USA of 1990, and someone appearing from nowhere and yelling “No, you’re all wrong, because there were no personal computers during the 1920s crash!1111! Disqualified!11”

    Or people talking about China in 2015 and that same someone jumping in to reee that all the data cited is wrong, because the great leap forward of the 1950s lead to famines.

    恭喜。
    https://me.me/i/when-you-finally-win-the-special-olympics-7093956

    • 同意: Richard S
  32. Vojkan 说:
    @Blade

    So it’s Russia’s and France’s fault that you killed 1.5 million Armenians. Chutzpah Turkish style.

    • 同意: Robjil
    • 回复: @Blade
    , @KA
  33. @Miro23

    The Hungarians, Czechs and Slovaks may want to take a more balanced attitude to Russia, but do the Poles. They have been pushing for American bases and missiles inside Poland, as well as strongly supporting Lithuania over Belarus.
    Since the end of the Cold war,whoever is in power in Poland has been anti-Russian and there seems to be no change in the foreseeable future. They don’t seem to realise that lessening tensions with Russia might be in Poland’s ( and others’ ) interests. They even sacrificed Polish agricultural exports to Russia after Maidan. With import substitution, exports will be very low even after ( if?) future normalisation.
    Until there is a complete change in Polish political attitudes, I see no improvement.

    • 回复: @Miro23
    , @Derer
  34. Moi 说:

    The Ottoman empires compares favorably with the kings and “noblemen” of Christendom at the time.

    • 回复: @Zimriel
  35. Richard S 说:
    @Anonymous

    在斯大林引起的乌克兰饥荒期间?

    No, in 1990. It says on the chart.

    • 谢谢: Rahan
  36. Rahan 说:
    @HeebHunter

    Because the retarded slavs bought into (((marx))) hook, line and sinker.
    The Asians have always been ethnic nationalists first. They never taught the original copy of communist manifesto, lest their own people would slit the funtionaries’ throat.

    According to mister Sergei Kara-Murza (excellent author, BTW), Lenin was the first to realize that on the territory of the mostly pre-industrial, agrarian Russian Empire, the goal shouldn’t be to usher in a bourgeois capitalist society, so that per Marxist logic it can then evolve to socialism and the to communism, but that instead the actual situation needs to be adapted to.

    Hence the conflict between the Bolsheviks and the other lefties, who actually wanted the Marxist thing, while the Leninist thing was to instead use the already existing commune-council tradition of the Russian villages, and build “communism” on top of that. Hence the “Soviet Union”, soviet meaning “council”, a “Union of Councils”, based upon the old timey Russian agrarian tradition of village councils, later transplanted to worker’s councils and such.

    After Lenin came the struggle of Trotsky vs Stalin.
    Trotsky and his allies viewed Soviet Russia as Goyim material to burn through in order to achieve “what is really important” i.e. “proper revolution where it matters” (Germany, France, Italy, Britain). They also pushed for the dismantling of the family, of the church, of all preexisting social structures, and for “free love” and pederasty.
    Stalin gradually evolved into a “reactionary statesman” who wanted to instead consolidate Soviet Russia into a “Russian Empire with People’s Power”, and to get back all the territories of the Russian Empire that managed to escape after the 1917 collapse (Finland, Poland, the Baltics).
    On the one hand Stalin had to find ways to purge the Trotskyists, and on the other–to turn the malnourished and war-torn USSR into an industrial power at any cost.
    “Comrades, the path that the capitalist countries walked over a 100 years we will have to sprint across in 10 years, otherwise we’ll be crushed.”
    He almost didn’t make it. Preparations were half-done when a United Europe led by Hitler invaded.

    Later, post-Stalin, Soviet Russia started turning increasingly into an urban society, and a peacetime urban society at that. A shift from an agrarian, starving, mobilization communism barracks, to urban, fairly well fed and clothed peacetime society, where the new generation didn’t know famines or massacres or genocide, and wanted to be able to enjoy themselves.

    Aristotle says societies can either be based on minimizing suffering , or on maximizing pleasure. The Soviet way was originally a society of minimizing suffering, built by peasants (focused on basic survival until WWII, and then minimized suffering behind a shield of nukes in the 1950s). By the 1960s and 1970s, it was populated by a new generation of urban dwellers, who wanted to maximize pleasure instead.

    That’s when all sorts of busybodies started running around Marx in hand, yelling how “our communism is the wrong kid, it isn’t marxist at all!” Yes, it wasn’t Marxism, it was peasant Leninism that had evolved into some weird urban drab pseudo-socialism.

    Anyway, so yeah, neither China, nor Vietnam, nor Russia were “really Marxist”. Although, now that we’re on the subject, one could argue that modern China is in fact following the original Marxist idea of a) first evolve from a pre-modern peasant society into a bourgeois capitalist society, and then b) morph into “proper socialism”.

    They’ve certainly done the evolution into a bourgeois capitalist society part. Let’s see what’s next.

    • 回复: @Zimriel
  37. Interestingly no mention of Israeli assistance to Azerbaijan in the form of drones. Not sure what the means other than there is one more player involved here. Also unlike Syria, Russia doesn’t have a navy base in Armenia. My guess Putin will have Russia remain neutral. Hopefully if the big boys stay out of the war, it will end sooner.

  38. @Gorgeous George

    That’s why the Ottomans are positioning F16s in Azerbaijan and have now begun talking about officially entering the war.

  39. Vojkan 说:

    Short answer: Russia can’t afford to stay on the side. Nature abhors a vacuum. Less Russia in the region => more Turkey in the region. Now, if the Russians believe Turks unleashed is a good idea, who am I to argue?

    • 回复: @Felix Keverich
  40. Zimriel 说:
    @Moi

    Just like there was a difference between Rome AD 15 and 415, there was a difference between the Ottoman Empire AD 1490 and 1890. Some here would say similar of the US 1820 and 2020.
    What starts out as a beautiful dream can end in a nightmare.

  41. anon[454]• 免责声明 说:
    @Agathoklis

    Seems you make the same mistake as our leaders in Washington when it comes to a regional power vs a world power,any country that can destroy you in the matter of a few hours is a WORLD POWER and don’t ever forget it,we always thought we were something that we are not Korea Nam,Iraq showed that in spades and the idea that we are the great arbitrator of the world belongs with those failed wars because the only thing we ever looked at is what’s in it for us.!!!!

  42. @Yevardian

    Sargsyan极度腐败,反正会对他产生强烈反对。 当然,俄罗斯政府完全忽略了其合作伙伴中的此类事情,因为杜马充满了小偷和骗子。

    Sargsyan was someone that Putin could do business with, and that alone made him a major asset for Armenia. He was replaced by some screeching “opposition journalist” – talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

    • 回复: @LG
  43. Zimriel 说:
    @Rahan

    Aristotle says societies can either be based on minimizing suffering , or on maximizing pleasure.

    If we are talking 政治, Aristotle’s theory goes more to human nature as slaves or as citizens. Slaves respond to suffering or pleasure, which their masters provide to them. Citizens look to the future.

    • 回复: @Rahan
  44. God's Fool 说:

    Artsakh to Azerbaijan and Nakhchivan to Armenia… problem solved!

    • 回复: @Z-man
  45. @Vojkan

    As a Russian, I think we should give Armenia to the Turks. It will be cheaper for us, than subsidizing this useless country in perpetuity. We should also give them Georgia while we’re at it: would love to see Turks converting Georgians to Islam.

    • 回复: @Vojkan
  46. RT 说:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    More profound and realistic analysis than the one in the article. Thanks.

  47. Cyrano 说:

    I see a CIA hand in this one. They must have encouraged that nutcase Erdogan to help his Islamic brothers. For what purpose?

    Turkey has been drifting away from NATO lately, with purchase of Russian weapons – thus threatening the sole purpose of NATO existence.

    Remember, NATO is not a military alliance anymore. It’s a protection racket for the US. How many members has NATO already – 98? If you demand that each one of them spend 2% of their GDP on mostly crappy US weapons, you can ensure that the US economy is chugging away solely on arms sales, even if the rest of the economy is in the doldrums.

    US today is somewhat similar to USSR – in the pre-collapse days – the only branch of the economy that’s performing well is the arms manufacturing – which they are not allowed to outsource to China for strategic reasons.

    Turkey buying Russian weapons threatens the core purpose of NATO existence – making money for US. Throwing a wrench into Russia-Turkey rapprochement brings Turkey back into the line-up of NATO goods consumers and ensures continuity of the protection racket indefinitely.

    • 回复: @sally
  48. Vojkan 说:
    @Felix Keverich

    The problem is not whether or not Armenians deserve to be defended. The problem is that if you let the Turks have their way in Armenia, they’ll see it as Russian weakness, they’ll push further and you’ll end up with a much bigger problem. Turks just cannot be trusted, ever. They have no word, they have no honour. The only rule they abide by is the rule of brute force.

    • 同意: Robjil
    • 回复: @Zimriel
    , @Blade
    , @Derer
  49. Miro23 说:
    @Verymuchalive

    Until there is a complete change in Polish political attitudes, I see no improvement.

    I agree, but at some point they need to get rid of this historical baggage and take a closer look at their wonderful US ally. If there’s one country that’ll get throw under the bus it’s Poland.

    • 回复: @Verymuchalive
  50. Zimriel 说:
    @Vojkan

    “They have no honour!” is what combatants in war always accuse about the other side. Especially when the accuser is losing.

    • 回复: @Vojkan
  51. Rahan 说:
    @Zimriel

    Slaves respond to suffering or pleasure, which their masters provide to them. Citizens look to the future.

    I remember Hegel developing this through the filter of “who is ready to risk their life to win?”. Those who take the risk are obvious masters, those who refuse to take the risk obviously get told what to do and how to live.

    In a sense, in a capitalist society, the “master” would be the person capable of risking everything to establish a new business, while the “slave” would be the person who shies away from this risk and instead prefers to simply work for a wage somewhere.

    Without a robust market economy, though, the “master material” all go either into institutional power-plays, or into crime, with the “world of law-abiding citizens” outside of institutions and crimes being only slaves.

    Perhaps in a sense something similar is happening to the West in the last 30-40 years. The “masters”, the “Atlases”, are all siphoned off into financial capitalism or corporate and institutional power games. No one left to be the invisible pillar who keeps society functioning along, let alone progress. With the exception of the occasional freak like Musk. But he’s from South Africa, anyway.

    The “bred and born” westerners, the last players of heroic stature are in the range of Trump (70+) and Scott Adams (60+). Same for real writers and musicians. Something happened afterward, some sort of glitch in the civilizational transmission from generation to generation.

    Making a badass sci-fi serial or film is still up to the likes of Ridley Scott who is in his 1980s. Not counting Nolan, who maybe fizzled out.

    Even South Park and Family Guy are all 1990s things that simply survived to this day. Rick and Morty is postmodern cannibalizing of 1980s sci-fi.

    The creator master types got diverted into venues where they fizzled out without making an impact, and their place in the visible parts of the Agora taken up by mediocrities. Not good.

    Some might say the COVID thing is being used to weed out the last remaining “masters” from the middle class…

  52. Tim too 说:
    @The Alarmist

    And Kaliningrad oblast is Russian, is separate from Russia. (Historically German, but lost by war.)

  53. Vojkan 说:
    @Zimriel

    With regards to Turks, it isn’t propaganda, it is the truth.

  54. Anon[210]• 免责声明 说:

    Alt Right group’s Spencer and Georgianni should get some of the Trump -Cotton supporters to fight for NK .

    Georgianni on same platform featured by Spencer wanted to fight against Muslim and China ,nuke Pakistan and bring India into the coalition .

    Poor knuckleheads have no place to hide now.

    Poor malformed who failed in all endeavors thought this platform would bring them some joy , meaning and hope .

  55. Agent76 说:

    Oct 9, 2020 Two Weeks Of Armenian-Azerbaijani War: No Peace For Karabakh

    The Armenian-Azerbaijani war is nearing the end of its second week with no prospects of de-escalation through diplomatic channels in the near future.

    11年2011月XNUMX日卫斯理·克拉克将军:战争已计划在五年内七个国家

    “这是一份备忘录,描述了我们将如何在五年内将七个国家排除在外,首先是伊拉克,然后是叙利亚,黎巴嫩,利比亚,索马里,苏丹,最后是伊朗。” 我说:“它是机密的吗?” 他说:“是的,先生。” 我说:“好吧,别给我看。” 大约一年前,我见过他,我说:“你还记得吗?” 他说:“先生,我没给你看那条备忘录! 我没给你看!”

  56. Z-man 说:
    @Gorgeous George

    Yeah the Armenians are better fighters, have more to fight for.
    The Azeris should consolidate the small gains they have made on the ground, declare victory, face saving for losing all these lands almost three decades ago, and negotiate a peace deal with Armenia.
    God’s Fool“Artsakh to Azerbaijan and Nakhchivan to Armenia… problem solved!” Ah if it were that easy. The Armenians aren’t going to give up most of NK and the Azeri’s aren’t going to give up the enclave next to Iran. But with Russia, Turkey, France and maybe Iran guiding these two countries a deal can be had.

    • 回复: @Alfred
  57. Z-man 说:
    @God's Fool

    Logical in the 20th Century but in the 21st Century unlikely. Armenia is too invested in NK and Azerbaijan is invested in their enclave. Azerbaijan has to concede land to Armenia. With the small areas they just won they have some face saving from their losses of thirty years ago and can now negotiate this and a few more areas and call it a victory and settle this. It could happen but this is the 高加索 so it probably wont.

    • 回复: @God's Fool
  58. Derer 说:
    @HeebHunter

    Calling “retarded Slavs” in reference to (((marx))) is highly illiterate especially when defending 7/24 the criminal inventor of that yoke.

    1918年XNUMX月,美国驻俄罗斯大使大卫·弗朗西斯(David R. Francis)向华盛顿发出了一封信:

    “这里的布尔什维克领导人,其中大多数是犹太人,其中90%是流亡者,对俄罗斯或任何其他国家都不在乎,但他们是国际主义者,他们正试图发动一场全球性的社会革命。”

    • 回复: @HeebHunter
  59. Blade 说:
    @Vojkan

    It is getting tiring to show evidence that numbers don’t even add up, there wasn’t even that many Armenians, and only about half the Armenians were subject to relocation. Neither is there a smoking gun evidence for killing Armenians let alone a plan for mass extermination, all the evidence for supposed genocide is people’s deductions and stories, but not documents or data. Meanwhile there are countless documents, some of which in my possession, regarding orders for Turkish officers to protect the safety of moving Armenians. Unable to find a genocide to justify their countless genocides, Europeans hold onto this Armenian Genocide story. For French and Russians, it is internal politics, but also the fact that they are the two perpetrators of Armenian revolts. Yes, it is these two countries fault that Armenians revolted and had a civil war against Turks and Kurds. French researched on Armenians as early as 1800s, what they found was that it would be difficult to provoke Armenians to revolt as they are happy and Turks consider them trustworthy. Before their involvement Armenians lived along with Turks and Kurds for almost a thousand years with no problems.

    If you however are so persistent on genocide discussions, I suggest you to spend more time with actual genocides that are supported with countless evidence. For example the ones in Belgian Congo, Algeria, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, South America, Rwanda, Bosnia and more. For which, I am pretty sure neither Europeans nor Russians haven’t even offered an apology, let alone compensation.

  60. AnonFromTN 说:
    @Agathoklis

    Whereas Greece and Cyprus are always supportive of Russia in the EU.

    Are you writing this with straight face? EU sanctions require consensus. Did Greece or Cyprus ever raise their voices against anti-Russian sanctions the EU imposed?

    • 回复: @Blade
    , @Agathoklis
  61. chris 说:

    In spite of the slights and asides, the Saker seems to have left out a very important player in the story! (I wonder what this could mean 🙂 )
    采访:
    https://libertarianinstitute.org/scotthortonshow/10-2-20-danny-sjursen-on-the-latest-nagorno-karabakh-conflict/

    12:35分钟
    Sjursen: “Azerbaijan 3rd largest buyer of Israeli arms,… Israeli factor trying to hem in the Iranians and using Azerbaijan as a ‘Mossad base’”

    35:41 Scott Horton says: “… and the Likud has had a long-term relationship with Azerbaijan, it started, …. in 2007, … Dave Bogrov (sp?) reported and I interviewed him about it, that the Israelis had built an air base there and had fighter planes ready to try to start a war with Iran, in the failed attempt to start a war with Iran in 2007, …” Skursen then says: “Israeli media is reporting on the NK conflict s lot more than our media”

    文章:
    https://original.antiwar.com/danny_sjursen/2020/10/01/no-dog-in-the-fight-nagorno-karabakhs-conflict-isnt-about-us-or-russia/

  62. Blade 说:
    @Vojkan

    It is absolutely ridiculous this is coming from a Russian. Anyone who studied a bit history knows that its Russians who will never hold onto agreements they signed. Turks have always followed with their agreements, to the point of stupidity actually. In my opinion Turks should be more flexible and should not shy away from breaching agreements when possible, because first no one actually cares about who is honorable, and second even when they do the right thing they get blamed anyway.

    Regarding Armenia, if Armenians were to leave NK and make peace with Azerbaijan, and ask for opening of their borders and end isolation as a part of peace, it would be the best way forward for them. Alternative is remaining an isolated, poor and Russian dependent country forever. However, especially diaspora Armenians are so full of hate, that they don’t even care if actual Armenians who live in Armenia has to lick Russian balls as long as no peace with Turks is achieved. I don’t know if Turkey would consider solution a Russian weakness, I wouldn’t. I want it to be solved so that Turkey doesn’t have a paranoid and isolated country next to it. Unfortunately, Turkey’s adversaries want it to remain unsolved for the exact opposite of my reasoning.

    • 巨魔: YetAnotherAnon
  63. Derer 说:
    @Vojkan

    It is time the European weaklings should stand up (unfortunately my abstract thinking only) and kick the Ottoman from Byzantium in Europe and NATO. Turkey’s escapades/conflicts have always religious overtone, stemming from cohabitation intolerance with other faith. Germany watch out and closely monitor Caliph Erdogan appetite for Bavaria for 6 m Turks in Germany.

    • 回复: @Blade
  64. Blade 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    They either live in a fantasy world, or extremely ignorant or just flat out lie with no shame. My opinion is all three. In their paranoid world, Turkey wants to invade Greece and Greeks are protecting Europe from invaders, therefore whatever they do is legitimate because they are living through crisis as the heroes. At the same time they give their ports to China and give bases to America, then turn and claim they always support Russia and are best allies with the US with a healthy dose of shitting on Germans for saving their country.

    • 回复: @Simpleguest
  65. Derer 说:
    @Verymuchalive

    Unfortunately, real power in Poland is in the hand of the “octopus” arm stretching from the American proxy. Naive Gorbachev is responsible for this colossal betrayal.

    贝克对戈尔巴乔夫说:“看,如果[北德]撤走[300,000]部队并允许北约统一德国,北约就不会向东扩张XNUMX英寸。”

  66. @Blade

    You must be a filthy Janichiar.
    France and Russia are not responsible for anything.
    Turks and Armenians did live Turkey in cooperative peace. Only when Turks were pushed out from Ukraine and Europe, and were coming back to Turkey, they needed dwellings. So Turks decided to give them Armenian dwellings. So Turks exported them to Russia. 350 thousand Armenians did die in the process.
    Now you want Armenians to kiss Turkish arse? Don’t you think that is little bit cheeky?

    • 回复: @Blade
  67. Blade 说:
    @Derer

    Goodness, you idiots are tiring. You should first save your women’s wombs from African bombers and worry about Byzantium that never existed much later.

    • 回复: @Derer
  68. TheIdiot 说:
    @Rahan

    The statistic is useless
    Do you give up Guam, Alaska or Hawaii just because they are net consumers
    And thereby you loose the Indian, Pacific and the Caribbean waters?
    and thereby you loose the Empire, which is the reason you have net contributors?

    What is the USSR without the Baltics, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Moldavia and Georgia?
    Correct – a gas station

    What is a gas station without the communist ideology?
    Correct – Nigeria

    Watch what happens to a nuclear armed Nigeria(RF) surrounded by 5G satellites
    Not long to go, endgame within the next 25 years, max

    • 巨魔: GazaPlanet
    • 回复: @Chris Mallory
    , @annamaria
  69. Blade 说:
    @Agathoklis

    Probably until they get assistance they wanted against Turks or until some money they begged for was granted. As soon as that happened, they must have immediately changed their vote, hence the sanctions lol. Small nation nationalists are really funny in the sense that they think they are playing everyone else like fiddler while greater nations just tolerate them for some other grand strategy.

  70. TheIdiot 说:
    @Blade

    Turkish and Jewish nations are the two most responsible for the plight of the Armenians.
    Armenians are the sworn enemies of the Jewish nation since they are Amalekites.

    Turkish nation has been used by donme turks (jews pretending to have converted to islam)
    to exterminate at least 5 million of Armenians in the worst genocide of the 20th century.

  71. @Blade

    They either live in a fantasy world, or extremely ignorant or just flat out lie with no shame.

    It’s mostly the last one.
    Ever heard of “kicking and screaming like a Greek in hapis (prison)”?
    It probably dates back to Ottoman times and it’s pretty popular in your part of the world.

  72. TheIdiot 说:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    You are right on all of the most relevant points

    本篇 IS a NATO war (not a Turkey war)

    Russia could have prevented it, but the same crooks/forces that are responsible for the
    first war and for the collapse of the USSR are still in control of Kremlin 30 years on

    Armenia is being sold off as we watch it

    The salesman in charge is Paschinyan, (the puppet of the West or the Saakaschvili of Armenia)
    The salesmen pretending to do the diplomacy are Putin and Macron

  73. Blade 说:
    @Zarathustra

    I don’t want Armenians to kiss anyone’s ass. I want them to end their isolation and live peacefully, but as long as NK is occupied it is not possible. Rest of your post is almost completely false, but at least your dead count is closer to reality than so called experts’. Turks from Europe or Crimea are almost all settled in West Anatolia, not where Armenians live.

    • 回复: @AB_Anonymous
  74. @Miro23

    Visegard has as much influence on the world politics in general
    and the EU foreign policy in particular
    as the Maine and Nebraska in the US electoral college,
    i.e. NONE

    • 回复: @Miro23
  75. Most Armenians are not Orthodox Christians, but members of the Armenian Apostolic Church, which are miaphysites/monophysites.

    You’d expect 1 god, 1 religion, but leave it up to people and you get where we are today [the pope and his pope-mobile].

  76. Alfred 说:
    @Tom Welsh

    整个中东(和北非)仅在110年前就已成为奥斯曼帝国的一部分

    Nonsense. The British controlled Egypt, Iraq and Iran. The French controlled the Maghreb – Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco – as well as Lebanon and Syria.

    我猜您还认为土耳其人建造并拥有苏伊士运河吗?

    My father, as a school kid in Cairo in the 1930’s, wore a tarboosh. My grandfather wore a tarboosh in the 1950’s. My great uncle wore a tarboosh in the 1960’s. But that did not mean that they were under the Turks. It was a fashion statement.

    • 回复: @Tom Welsh
  77. Putin is asking The Saker… to ask you… how to handle this one

    The big elephant in the room has been there since December 25, 1991
    Those who sold off the USSR, have also sold off Armenia, and are still in power

    Everyone today is expecting Russia, a midget and a joke of a country,
    when compared to the USSR in military and economic terms,
    to fly its (Soviet!!!) MIGs and the SUs to scare the NATO and/or Turkey

    Why is it that not a single shot was fired on December 25, 1991???
    If Russian officers under oath to defend their own country
    had no balls to drop a single bomb for their country back then

    Do you really think they will do it today? NO, NO, NO
    Not before they put Gorbachev into prison and
    the Eltsin name is taken off their National Library…

    The true and the best of the Russians have been exterminated and have fallen in the Revolution
    on both side
    The whatever hope was left, fell in the WW2
    The genetic clour of the nation has trully been lost!
    This is now a country of the midgets
    With a brainless president asking the Saker
    to ask you, for your advice, on how to run the country
    真丢脸!

    • 回复: @vot tak
    , @AnonFromTN
  78. @GMC

    If you read the cablegate telexes, the US Embassy in Kiev paid for an exit poll. Nothing else.

  79. Alfred 说:
    @Z-man

    the Armenians are better fighters, have more to fight for.

    Defenders have great advantages in that landscape. They are dug in and their communications are secure. I am sure someone is figuring out a way to neutralise drones right now.

  80. anon[137]• 免责声明 说:

    The US should advertise for Armenians to move to California and probably everyone would leave en-mass, since there are quite a few Armenians there already. Armenia could be re-populated with Boers from South Africa. Since the Boers have no ancestral or religious ties to the area, they wouldn’t have any scirmishes with the locals and would work out a peaceful solution. Erdogan and Aliev should then get the Solomani treatment to end the tension in that area and everyone can trade and have peaceful relations. The benefit to the US would be that California would get a couple of million smart, conservative Christian people that would tilt California politics to the right again.

    • 回复: @anonymous
  81. Lavrov has a long track record of incompetence. He could mess this up too.

    • 回复: @annamaria
    , @A.K.Patal
  82. vot tak 说:

    As with his earlier piece on this conflict, saker doesn’t mention israeli/zionazi influence in both Azerbaijan and Armenia. While he does say the conflict benefits american interests, he downplays their possible hand by simply saying there is no hard evidence of it and leaves it at that. My impression is saker is trying to put most of the blame on turkey for the conflict.

    “beginning with the party which started the war: Azerbaijan.”

    I’ve been following both Sputnik and RT reporting on the conflict and both of these Russian government news sources are reporting both sides claim the other side started it, neither news site claims either side started it. Azerbaijan may have started it, but Sputnik/RT reticence in naming who started it, may indicate there is some ambiguity about who is responsible. I’m waiting for some definitive answers still.

    “One major concern for Russia is the movement of Turkish-run Takfiris from Syria to Azerbaijan. The Russians have already confirmed that this has taken place”

    Where have the Russian government confirmed this? Read an article on Sputnik or RT yesterday where President Assad speculated the turks are moving terrorists from Syria to Azerbaijan, but he also said there is not any hard evidence of this and it is speculation based upon past turkish behaviour.

    In his discussion of Russian options, I didn’t see much in the article about the Russian option which is the obvious one they would proceed with. The one they have obviously been working towards bringing about. Really, the only logical option, actually. That is bring both sides to the negotiation table. This they did, and saker had to reluctantly acknowledge this. He calls it a miracle, to excuse his lack of coverage of this obvious and logical Russian move, but does give due credit to Lavrov in getting it done.

    • 回复: @TheIdiot
    , @Yevardian
  83. Anonymous[827]• 免责声明 说:

    As in Syria and (western) Ukraine, we’re seeing yet again how completely useless it is to have Russia as an “ally”.

    • 回复: @Arnieus
    , @annamaria
  84. Miro23 说:
    @Igivenoshit

    Visegard has as much influence on the world politics in general
    and the EU foreign policy in particular
    as the Maine and Nebraska in the US electoral college,
    i.e. NONE

    Population Visegrad – 63 million. Population European Union – 445 million. 63/445 = 14%

    Population Maine & Nebraska – 3 million. Population USA – 328 million. 3/328 = 1%

    At 63 million, Visegrad does have influence. Ref. pop. Germany 83 million or France 66 million.

    • 回复: @Igivenoshit
  85. @Miro23

    Good idea, keep having intercourse with no abortions until you overtake Germany

    Make an adjustment for their annual, 1-2 million, organized “refugee” intake

    I guess your girls will have to reproduce around the clock in order to compensate for the Calergi plan

  86. TheIdiot 说:
    @vot tak

    You are trusting Russian RT and Sputnik on who “started” the war even though

    It is a well known fact that Putin has been selling arms to both sides in this war for decades?

    • 同意: Yevardian
    • 回复: @vot tak
  87. Arnieus 说:
    @Sunshine

    The US media doesn’t want their sheeple pondering war, or anything else real.

  88. Arnieus 说:
    @Anonymous

    但是对于俄罗斯来说,不会有乌克兰西部或叙利亚。

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  89. Beckow 说:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Ok, now tell us why are Armenians not responsible for ‘Pashinyan’ and his policies? They chose him, they support him, they will need to live with the consequences.

    Same goes for Saakasvilli and Zelensky. Why do you think that Armenia is of any strategic importance? They are a definition of a backwater. Whatever alliance they join has minimal impact on the world strategic situation. And they chose Pashinyan, he is still in power. Life is really not much more than consequence management.This happens to small nations in that region again and again, they get infatuated (and bought) by Western talk and then they pay the price. But they never learn.

    • 回复: @TheIdiot
    , @Avery
    , @Avery
  90. vot tak 说:
    @TheIdiot

    擦掉

    精心挑选的尼克,顺便说一句,shlomo。

    • 回复: @A.
  91. vot tak 说:
    @Igivenoshit

    这是zio-faggotry在应用于互联网讨论时的样子。 认真地说,为什么一个异性恋男人会写这种废话呢?

    • 回复: @A.
  92. @TheIdiot

    Guam, Alaska or Hawaii

    What do those three areas have to do with the Caribbean?

    We should keep Alaska. Guam, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico can all be given their independence. Any thing that happens outside the area between 30 W and 180 W is none of our business and should be left to Russia India, or China to deal with.

    • 回复: @SaneClownPosse
  93. TheIdiot 说:
    @Beckow

    the world strategic situation is
    that every pawn in the game does mater
    a pawn may become a queen
    or it could check-mate the king

    Armenia is a pawn indeed
    Russia/n/Jewish oligarchs sold it off long ago
    The sell off of Armenia may well be the end of Russia as a sovereign state
    The German Tzars of Russia understood this
    (Germans, not the Russians build the Russian Empire;
    Jews, not the Russians took that Empire into pieces)

    The current Russian Tzars of Russia have no idea of what they have been selling off since 1991

    • 回复: @Beckow
  94. AnonFromTN 说:
    @Igivenoshit

    Russia, a midget and a joke of a country,

    Why don’t you tell this to Western MSM? They mention Russia at least as often as China. What’s more, they mention Putin more often than Xi. Considering that Western MSM are 100% controlled by Western elites, it’s not just a perception of ignorant journos. What gives?

    • 同意: annamaria
  95. Agent76 说:

    October 8, 2020 While No One Was Looking: America, Guyana, And Venezuela

    The US was a leading voice in the call for a recount and the US applied a great deal of pressure on Granger to hand over the office of President.

    https://original.antiwar.com/ted_snider/2020/10/08/while-no-one-was-looking-america-guyana-and-venezuela/

  96. Avery 说:
    @Beckow

    {Ok, now tell us why are Armenians not responsible for ‘Pashinyan’ and his policies?}

    Armenian voters are responsible: one of the “fringe benefits” of Democracy. Comes with the the territory. The previous Sargsyan administration made some mistakes, they became arrogant, people wanted change…..and demagogue Pashinyan skillfully seized the moment to become PM.
    People of RoA are already unhappy with him. We’ll see how long he hangs on.
    But right now, there are more urgent matters to attend to, than worry about Pashinyan.
    Veterans of Karabagh war (1991-1994) whom he hounded and jailed on false charges are right now in Artsakh helping with the war effort.

    {Why do you think that Armenia is of any strategic importance?}

    Why do you think Moscow has a base in Armenia, with ~5,000 RF troops stationed in Gyumri, with an attached fighter wing, with RoA air-defense system fully integrated with RF’s Southern air-defense system,….etc,etc. RoA provides the land for the base free of charge, and RF pays for all the costs of maintaining the base. I am pretty sure Moscow is not doing that because they feel extra generous towards ‘backwards’ Armenia. Maybe they see a teeny weeny bit of strategic importance in Armenia? But maybe you know better.

    { They are a definition of a backwater}

    你没头绪
    During USSR, little Armenia provided 30% of SU’s military electronics.(check it out)
    The famous Lunokhod, which launched the robotic exploration of space – first in the world – was designed by Alexander Kemurdzhian (in USSR). The famous MiG line of fighter jets was designed by Mikoyan and Gurevich design bureau. Etc, Etc. I am sure those Armenians came from a, quote, ‘backwater’ gene pool.

    {This happens to small nations in that region again and again, they get infatuated (and bought) by Western talk and then they pay the price. But they never learn.}

    你没头绪
    Look who is talking.
    Obviously when Russians democratically elected drunkard Yeltsin who wrecked Russia and brought it to the brink of dissolution, who allowed Western gangsters to loot Russia of 100s of \$Billions, Russia was a, quote, ‘small nation in the region’.

    Genius Russian leaders (yes, Putin & Co) allowed Ukraine, their Slavic kin, to become a bleeding sore on their border, and a potential NATO threat.
    Genius Russian leaders (yes, Putin & Co.) watch helplessly, while their Slavic kin in Bela病毒 are on the verge of flying off of Moscow’s orbit and into the bosom of the GloboSorosistas.

    Small nations like Ukraine and Belarus never learn, do they?

  97. annamaria 说:
    @TheIdiot

    “What is the USSR without the Baltics, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Moldavia and Georgia?
    Correct – a gas station.”

    — First, the survived entity is called the Russian Federation. Second, for an Israel-firster, you are too quick to dismiss Russia’s ongoing restoration, which has been irritating the ZUSA to no end. The same irritation has been exhibited towards the robust recovery of China. Perhaps you need to ponder on why the ZUSA is so hysterical about these two countries.

    As a side note, you might want to check the best young American mathematicians’ ethnicity to get an idea of the American future. You will also benefit from reading Martyanov; he is a professional, and his opinion is solidly professional, not some childish ejaculations.
    不用谢。

    • 谢谢: Jim Christian
  98. KA 说:
    @Vojkan

    How many did France kill in the lands currently divided among Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Palestine and Iraq?

    France is a little shitty old history that keeps on still motivating it’s murderous behaviors. How many that shitty little shite bastard Christian country has killed in Francophone Africa whose large chunk is inhabited by Muslim?

    We go back 100 years to remind the current victims of the supposed war time atrocities of their co- religionist in Ottoman . Is it to soften them? Is it to paralyze them morally so that they accept the bull shit GWOT and accept the horrendous psychological profile created by Charle Hedbo and the aftermath?
    Remember ,the war was imposed on Turkey by bunch of Christian Bible freaks .

    • 巨魔: GazaPlanet
    • 回复: @Vojkan
  99. annamaria 说:
    @Philip Owen

    Is this Mr. Pompeo himself visiting the Unz forum?

  100. Avery 说:
    @Beckow

    {MAY 21, 199212 AM
    时代作家
    MOSCOW — The military commander in chief of the Commonwealth of Independent States warned Wednesday that if outside powers intervene in the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, “we shall be on the brink of a new world war.”}*

    {The comment by Marshal Yevgeny I. Shaposhnikov came in the wake of recent indications from Turkish leaders that they would consider sending arms or even troops to bolster Azerbaijan in its festering conflict with Armenia.}

    I am pretty sure Moscow would not threaten a new (nuclear) world war for a, quote, ‘strategic backwater’, would it? Or maybe you know better.

    _____________________________
    * https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-05-21-mn-337-story.html

  101. annamaria 说:
    @Anonymous

    Who are these mysterious “we?” The Integrity Initiative’s operators?

    • 同意: Dr. Charles Fhandrich
    • 哈哈: Antiwar7
  102. sally 说:
    @Cyrano

    以色列与逊尼派阿拉伯领导人最近达成的协议是否有可能介入这里?
    I don’t think any comments have yet explained this war..

    • 回复: @Cyrano
  103. Beckow 说:
    @Avery

    We are not as far apart as your tone implies :). I agree about Yeltsin and the 90’s, even to a large extent about the soft continuation of the same policies under Putin. But Russia is a big country; large countries and pretty girls can get away with a lot, others not so much. That’s just life.

    Pashinyan was not an unknown in 2018 and his rhetoric – very Soros-like and anti-Russia – had to be known to the people who marched him into power. He is still there. I know very little about the previous guys, you are probably right, but when changing things it is not what we discard that matters, but what is brought into power – people too often forget that. In effect, the perception is that Armenians wanted Pashinyan&Co. with all that entails, including his liberal Russophobia.

    I don’t mean the ‘回水‘ as a negative, (I live in a backwater and like it), simply that geographically Armenia is not very essential: it is deep inland with constrained geography and nothing that cannot be had elsewhere in the vicinity. The Russian base is important, but not essential. And why risk having a base in a country where government (and by implication the ‘亚美尼亚人‘) want to be friends with someone else? It is a cost-benefit equation. There is a price that smaller nations pay for trying to sit in between two chairs.

    I have no doubt about the achievements of Armenians, in the past and now. This is not about it (I believe Lavrov is half-Armenian). It is much simpler: playing silly games with one’s only realistic protector when in a very exposed situation has consequences. This applies to many other countries, but in Armenia’s case both the danger and the risk were always much higher. Maybe Macron can help – a lot of Armenians seemed to think that France-EU is what they need. Let’s see if they can deliver.

  104. Beckow 说:
    @TheIdiot

    You need to be more explicit, otherwise your opaque points are neither here nor there. Your generalisations are just that: too broad to be correct, too vague to be false. Tell us what are we missing, I always like fresh viewpoints…And I admit that my knowledge of Armenia is minimal.

  105. Yevardian 说:
    @vot tak

    I’ve been following both Sputnik and RT reporting on the conflict and both of these Russian government news sources are reporting both sides claim the other side started it, neither news site claims either side started it. Azerbaijan may have started it, but Sputnik/RT reticence in naming who started it, may indicate there is some ambiguity about who is responsible. I’m waiting for some definitive answers still.

    Give one (1) 可能 thing Armenia had to gain by initiating this conflict. They have all the territory they want, besides nearly all the Armenian historical/cultural monuments in Nakhichevan or Azerbaijan-proper have been detonated by the Turks some time ago. Just look at Azeri/Armenian military spending the past decade for your answer.

    Of course Russian media wants to play up ambiguity, admitting a clear aggressor would pressure them to act, they don’t want to get involved in another Caucasus mess. Russia can’t afford to cast-away Azerbaijan however hostile it is, it has enormous oil reserves and intimate ties to Turkey, whilst Armenia’s exports are limited to common metals, cognac and apricots.

    Another thing the saker, our dear military expert, forgot to mention in contributing to anti-Russian sentiment was the Gyumri massacre, where a Russian serviceman went AWOL and murdered an entire family, receiving a light sentence. You could say the anti-Russian response wasn’t entirely rational, but it is understandable.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Gyumri_massacre

    • 回复: @Blade
    , @vot tak
  106. @Avery

    I would share this response all over, and to it I’ll add:

    Modern elections are mostly stage managed affairs anyway.

  107. @Chris Mallory

    The Petrodollar Empire begs to differ.

    The Global Force for Greed sails the seven seas in an failing attempt to maintain dollar hegemony.

  108. Blade 说:
    @Yevardian

    I don’t know if they would want it or not, but if they leave NK, there would be no reason for Turkey to keep the borders closed. It would allow Armenia to flourish. Unlike what selfish diaspora imagines, Turkey isn’t seeking to destroy Armenia, already over 100K Armenians work in Turkey (Armenian citizens, not Turkish Armenians). It would be better for Turkey if all neighbors had stability, and decent economies. This whole Russia is Armenia’s protector, France is Armenians’ friend stuff is all a scam. They just want to keep a thorn on Turkey’s side, and they are the real cause of the civil war in the last century. They are like mafia thugs who protect you if you pay them. In the end you lose more than you gain.

  109. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @alwayswrite

    是的无人机罢工是真正的游戏规则改变者

    No, drones are not much more than scale model aircraft that hobbyists have been building and flying for decades…and with about the same combat potential…

    它将嘲笑有关S300 / 400/500防空系统的所有宣传谎言!

    事实上,以色列F35突袭叙利亚的伊朗代理人时已经绕过了这些系统

    That only exists in your dreams…

    自从叙利亚人于16年200月用古老的S2018击落FXNUMX以来,以色列人实际上并没有真正进入叙利亚领空。

    10年2018月16日在以色列北部哈杜夫基布兹拍摄的照片显示了一架F-XNUMX的遗体,该遗体在叙利亚防空火力袭击后坠毁(法新社/杰克·古埃兹)

    The Israelis launch missiles into Syria from well outside Syrian airspace, usually Lebanon…so much for Israel taking on Russian SAMs…

    The F35 is a continuing science project that has no chance to become an effective combat aircraft due to basic physics…even if all of its many glitches are ironed out…

    As for drones of the small type that Turkey employs, dozens of those were shot down in northern Syria after Turkey started using them in support of the headchoppers there…They made no difference whatsoever to the outcome, and the SAA took back and continues to hold more than half of Idlib governorate…

    Those small drones are marginal aircraft, useful mostly for surveillance and recon, and especially against an unsophisticated foe lacking any type of effective air defenses…These craft are similar to what would be called an ultralight or microlight in light aviation, and use the same kind of small piston engines [Rotax 100 hp, four cylinder] used in such light sport aircraft…they can only reach about 100 mph…and are nothing more than target practice for any real air defense system…

    The loud noises made by the Turkish side about the ‘devastating’ successes of those drones was mostly unverified nonsense…it’s possible they scored a few hits on Syrian troops and equipment when they were first employed, due mostly to the element of surprise, but the Syrians quickly cleared the skies of these little gnats…

    The same is likely true in Nagorno Karabakh…a lot of empty propaganda noise coming from the Azeri side with no real evidence to back it up…

    As it stands, the Azeris have made no real advances in territory after more than two weeks of supposedly ‘devastating’ drone action…

    • 回复: @alwayswrite
    , @Jazman
  110. Dutch Boy 说:

    The map suggests a simple solution: a strip to connect the Armenian region to the rest of Armenia and another strip to connect the separate areas of Azerbaijan. The roadblock is that Reason seldom overcomes Hate.

  111. Vojkan 说:
    @KA

    Little shitty old history France: roads, railways, schools, hospitals. Ottomans: mosques, population replacement, ethnic cleansing, genocide, eunuchs, janissaries. Little shitty old history France: Descartes, Pascal, Cauchy, Fourier, Lagrange, Poincaré, Pierre and Marie Curie, Frédéric and Irène Joliot-Curie, Racine, Corneille, Molière, Voltaire, Diderot, Dumas father and son, Balzac, Hugo, Stendhal, Camus… Sublime Turkey: Ø.
    在土耳其有多少法国移民? 在法国有多少土耳其移民? 伊斯兰国家有多少基督徒移民? 基督教国家有多少穆斯林移民? 欧洲的白人基督教徒应该让您在您的国家中死于霍乱,斑疹伤寒,双歧杆菌和饥饿饥饿,而不是让您进入,今天的伊斯兰教已经不那么麻烦了。

    • 回复: @Anon
    , @anonymous
  112. Anon[470]• 免责声明 说:

    I like the fact that Armenia bombed an Azerbaijan city named after weed. They smoked Ganja. One of my students said THC was rising from the rubble of Ganja.

    • 哈哈: hhsiii
    • 回复: @anon
  113. A.K.Patal 说:
    @Philip Owen

    Excellent question! He sounds like Pompeo.

  114. @FB

    The empty propaganda is only coming from the Russians

    They claim these big area denial capabilities,bubbles,no go zones,which are created by the extended range of their missile systems,which don’t actually work

    By their own propaganda and weapons envelopes therse weapons should be able to shoot Israeli fighters down over Lebanon,they don’t,oh plus F35 flew over Iran without the Iranians even knowing

    As for your claims about drones,well that simply demonstrates a degree of self induced ignorance,incidentally if drones are so useless,as you claim,then why are Russia developing their own high tech stealth drone????

    Oh, and America unveiled their sixth generation fighter just a few weeks ago,it took them only one year to develop this fighter!

    The Russian are in a new arms race they can’t,and wont win,their own fifth generation fighter is plagued with problems

    Russia make claims for these weapons as a marketing tool,they have the best SAM blah,blah,blah!!!!

    I remember when a young West German, Mateus Rust flew his Cessna light aircraft and landed it in Red Square,and that was during the Cold War against the most heavily defended air space in history,how embarrassing for the Soviets 😂😂😂😂

    America is gonna win the next arms race in the air,with the new sixth generation fighter,AI, and drone swarms,like the one DARPA demonstrated a couple of years ago,then Russia will be left selling all tgeir heavy junk S300/400/500 junk to idiots like Iranian dictators and Assad !

    • 哈哈: Verymuchalive
    • 回复: @FB
  115. @Miro23

    Poland is the biggest net recipient of EU funds – in 2015 it got €13.4bn (£11.7bn; \$14.2bn) from the EU.

    Since 2004 Poland has received subsidies of the order of 100bn euros from the EU.
    For the period 2021-27, there are plans to give it another 140bn euros.

    https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/poland-biggest-beneficiary-of-eus-cohesion-fund---pm-14322

    And still millions of Poles have left for Western Europe. Without EU subsidies, Poland would be in dire straits, if not a basket case. Rather like Israel. Without American subsidies, both public and private, Israel would be an impoverished Middle Eastern state without any power to project itself militarily. It would have reached some form of peace deal with the Arabs long ago.
    Polish governments are very much creatures of the EU. If the EU says NATO, Poland follows. By the EU this essentially means Germany. The EU is very beneficial for Germany as it constitutes a captive market for German manufacturers. NATO is very convenient for Germany because it is a cheap form of defence as most of the cost is borne by America.
    Things would change if Germany left NATO or limited its connection. Despite friction with recent American Presidents, the lure of a cheap price defence deal still seems very strong for Germany. So no change soon from Germany either.

  116. Smith 说:

    To be honest, the turks are proving everybody wrong in the region with their push, it seems they aren’t the paper tiger ruskies thought them to be.

    I wonder if this push is natural/organic or they are financed by someone else.

    Wisdom says the US since this is going against Russia, but China is also a possibility since turks connect with Pakistan to form the Silk Road, and with turks on their side, China can effectively control/isolate Russia from the East.

    Either ways, this seems like a shitshow, but it depends on how aggressive the turks are willing to go.

    • 回复: @Mary Marianne
  117. hhsiii 说:

    Russia is much stronger militarily than The Empire?

  118. Anon[152]• 免责声明 说:
    @Vojkan

    France has not given the world . World took them from France and it was not free .
    Any country after looting other countries , could have also provided those services – philosophies embodied by new thinkers , scientific by new scholars and improved public services introduced by engineers . Rest of the world then would have bought , taken , exchanged those services and would have allowed some of those philosophers to dominate their lives or academia for a while.

    Before answering how many French are in Turkey , let’s count how many of them were in Chad , Mali, Niger, Haiti or were rampaging in Syria Lebanon . Actually they are still doing in each of those countries .
    Without the resources stolen , France would be a little shitty country.

  119. Anonymous[104]• 免责声明 说:

    So, allowing it’s allies to get ass-raped over real and imagined slights is all part of grand Russian strategy? Yeah, sounds real fucking brilliant to me. Maybe the Russians should start asking themselves why so many of their allies are willing to listen to American bullshit.

    • 哈哈: Yevardian
  120. God's Fool 说:
    @Z-man

    Wishful thinking on my part to save lives…

  121. anon[283]• 免责声明 说:
    @Anon

    Azerbazian should take the fight to Yerevan and let the Armenian military smoke the hashsish.
    It is already intoxicated with victimhood.

    • 回复: @Robjil
  122. @Anonymous

    这是我自己的文章的摘录:

    “…the Putinoid position that Russia only needs to “look after itself” is asinine, as imbecilic as the idea that Armenia will come crawling back if only Putin allows Nagorno Karabakh to be overrun. In fact, all it will do is convince everybody – including China – that there is no more unreliable ally and protector than Vladimir Putin. Is this what the Putinoids want? Really?”

    https://bill-purkayastha.blogspot.com/2020/10/the-sultan-and-grandmaster-nagorno.html?m=1

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @anon
    , @TheIdiot
  123. vot tak 说:
    @Yevardian

    实际上,shlomo,您的评论与您从我这里引述的内容无关,只是您websayanim参与的通常的zionazi-(非常)同性恋活动。

    您不是在帮助以色列,而是在举例说明以色列是远远不能解决的。

    • 回复: @Yevardian
  124. @Anon

    France still extracts colonial era taxes from its “former” African colonies and until the 1950s still forced “reparations” from Haiti for the 1805 revolution. As compensation for the loss of slave labour.

    As an Australian friend of mine of Serb origin, who lived in France for many years, told me on hearing of the so called ISIS attack on Paris: “Fuck France. Fuck France, I say!”

  125. A lot of these points are “blablabla” window dressing. The real questions you need to ask in such situations are always economic ones:

    – Who has oil, gas and/or valuable mines and who does not?
    – Where is the money going?
    – Who profited from the status quo and who is profiting from the current chaos?

  126. Anonymous[100]• 免责声明 说:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Great blog post, spot-on. Always amusing to hear Team Russia dip-shits here dismiss constant Israeli air strikes in Syria as mere “annoyances”, etc. But the pattern of Russian inaction across the sphere of Russian interest is beyond obvious.

  127. @Smith

    I find it rather doubtful that China would finance Turks, considering that Turkey is one of ETIM’s sponsors, which had been causing massive amounts of terrorism in Xinjiang and elsewhere in China in the previous decades. It’s only been in the last couple of years that China managed to quash these terrorists.

    • 回复: @Smith
  128. Robjil 说:
    @anon

    土耳其人陷入受害者的困境很重要。 他们占领了塞浦路斯的40%。

    追赶希腊人。

    土耳其人拥有300000平方英里。 阿塞拜疆人有30000平方英里。

    亚美尼亚人的历史区域很小,只有11000平方英里。 NK在1700平方英里处甚至更小。

    为什么两个土耳其人困扰小小的亚美尼亚? 他们拥有过去曾经是亚美尼亚人的大量土地吗?

    • 回复: @Blade
  129. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @alwayswrite

    至于您关于无人机的主张,那只是证明了某种程度的自我诱导的无知

    Look, asshat…

    I’m an aerospace engineer and airline transport-rated pilot [ATP] with many 数千 of hours in my logbook as pilot in command in the Boeing triple seven and several other types…

    You obviously know diddly squat about aeronautics and would for sure be unable to solve even a basic math problem…so I’m not going to waste a lot of time on your ignorant noises here…

    But for other folks here who may think that a little ultralight prop plane capable of 100 mph is some kind of ‘magic’ weapon, here is a little basic info…

    This is the General Atomics ‘Predator’ MQ1, the most produced US UAV by far…

    这是MQ1的规格:

    巡航速度仅为81节,约为95英里/小时。

    引擎是Rotax 914,在全世界成千上万的超轻型飞机中使用:

    Here’s a popular ultralight using the SAME Rotax engine…

    These Rotax engines are also used in snowmobiles, jet-skis, those off-road ‘four-wheelers’ etc…

    Here’s a Turkish Bayraktar wreckage in Syria…

    Like I said, CLOWN…these toys are nothing more than an ultralight with the same kind of aerial capabilities…it would not be too difficult even for a determined hobbyists to take an ultralight, equip it with radio remote control and put weapons on it [although getting missiles might be difficult]…

    This crapola is nowheresville…

    Meanwhile, Russia has already fielded the world’s first and only hypersonic intercontinental, maneuvering missile, the Avangard…and the first operational, hypersonic scramjet engine in the Zirkon cruise missile…neither of which advanced technologies the US is remotely capable of…

    The US continues to buy advanced Russian rocket engines because they have absolutely no capability to produce advanced, closed cycle engines of the size that Russia makes…in fact US uses the RD180 engine to launch its most crucial national security payloads…

    Just recently the US was able to send its first manned flight to the ISS, the core of which is Russian technology, built in Russia, after nearly a decade of no human spaceflight capability…

    Clowns like you that know zilch about any kind of aeronautics [or any technical science whatsoever] can screech all you want about some kind of ‘drones’…which is nothing but ignorance…

    • 巨魔: Blade
    • 回复: @Blade
    , @Tim too
    , @Anonymous
  130. Cyrano 说:
    @sally

    我认为约翰·列侬总结了最好的一句话:“中东,疯狂的野兽,摇滚乐为和平而歌唱”。 中东从来没有什么好东西。 从那个被诅咒的地方冒出的3种宗教应该称为3种恐怖-而不是3种男高音,它们至少对耳朵有一些令人愉悦的影响,而不是3种恐怖中的每一种,其主要关注点在于传达对仇恨的仇恨其他2种天赋较少的宗教。

  131. Blade 说:
    @Robjil

    你像以前一样错了。 到土耳其卷入塞浦路斯之时,由于希腊EOKA恐怖分子的暴力行动,土耳其已经在种族上大为分裂。 南部的塞族土耳其人被赶出家门,大多数土耳其人已经在北部。 奇怪的是,即使有记录的证据,希腊人和他们的朋友也总是会面朝下躺,当时只有塞浦路斯人和希腊领导人表示,他们将摆脱塞浦路斯的土耳其人并统一与希腊的岛屿。 我再说一遍,希腊领导人自己发表了这些声明。 当然,您会假装不存在任何证据,并且土耳其绝对没有理由入侵该岛。

    关于亚美尼亚,几乎没有任何相似之处。 在土耳其的情况下,土耳其是一个担保国,在警告,谋杀家庭XNUMX年后,土耳其官员不得不采取行动(是的, 希腊朋友杀害了土耳其军官尼哈特·伊尔汗(Nihat Ilhan)的婴儿和妻子 (当他不在家时),以及正在进行的种族清洗。 对于亚美尼亚,这些东西都没有发生。 他们只是利用了局势,即阿塞拜疆人装备不足,并入侵了另一个国家的一部分这一事实。

    • 回复: @Robjil
    , @Verymuchalive
  132. Blade 说:
    @FB

    What an assclown you are. Since you don’t understand what you are talking about let me correct a few things. First, Turkey’s drones come in all sizes Akinci is as larger than MQ1 you posted above, TB2 is smaller, there are still smaller kamikaze drones, there is also Anka and high altitude drones. They absolutely decimated Russian ADFs in both Syria and Libya. Then it suddenly became mistake of Arabs that these systems weren’t working. There are dozens of videos where a radar active ADF gets destroyed. Hence bunch of countries got in line to buy Turkish drones. You don’t even get that it’s the software that makes drones lethal, otherwise anyone knows that they are not fighter jets, and for a small, cheap drone capable of detroying \$45M Russian ADFs it is perfectly acceptable to have smaller engines. It is a feature, not a bug. Also, as far as I can see, I don’t see any better Chinese or Russian drones.

    • 回复: @FB
    , @Tim too
  133. Tim too 说:
    @FB

    真正的变化是Su 57和70无人机。 这些将击败任何有人值守的5G竞争对手。

    还是不正确?

    • 回复: @FB
  134. vot tak 说:

    “经常被人们遗忘的伊朗,至少到目前为止,并未直接卷入这场冲突,但总体上对亚美尼亚表示同情,主要是因为埃尔多安的新奥斯曼帝国意识形态对包括伊朗在内的整个地区构成了危险。”

    造酒者在这里声称的大部分都是胡说八道,而且过分地过分简化了伊朗的利益以及与亚美尼亚,阿塞拜疆和土耳其的关系。 以色列在亚美尼亚和阿塞拜疆扮演的角色影响了伊朗对这两个国家的政策,但伊朗与这两个国家的社会联系也是如此。

    伊朗突然与土耳其结盟的背后是什么?

    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2020/07/01/whats-behind-irans-sudden-realignment-with-turkey/

    这篇文章很好地说明了伊朗与土耳其关系最近发生了什么变化,以及为什么出现了一些想法。 它没有提到以色列,而且两国关系的相互融合(以色列想摧毁伊朗,因为他们的西部殖民地肆虐伊拉克,把土耳其的一部分吞并以纳入“更大”的以色列是一个长期的犹太复国主义目标)。提供了两个县的共同利益和不同利益的信息,这样一来就可以看出敌对双方都不是一个国家的利益。

    伊朗与土耳其关系的描述也同样不正确。 我将从这些开始:

    我将在另一条评论中发表伊朗与阿塞拜疆和亚美尼亚的关系。

    • 回复: @vot tak
  135. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @Blade

    你真是个小丑。 由于您不了解您在说什么...

    而且您实际上认为您对航空学有所了解,您是文盲的土耳其农民吗?

    麻省理工学院的科学家泰德·波斯托尔(Ted Postol)指出,您为什么不阅读我对胡西(Houthi)巡航导弹的分析?

    Quds 1:胡塞巡航导弹的技术分析

    我担任航空工程师已有30多年,毕业于军事测试飞行员学校,并曾担任过许多知名的客机的工程测试飞行员和飞行测试工程师,只要您买得起鞋子就可以乘坐和一件衬衫,并能够在您的名字上签名... CLOWN ...

    他们绝对摧毁了叙利亚和利比亚的俄罗斯ADF。

    他们确实做到了,小丑……这就是为什么叙利亚军队清理伊德利卜并占领了一半的扒手领土的原因……现在只允许这种污秽慢慢地炖,直到他们决定清理其余的东西……

    愚蠢的土耳其人所产生的所有噪音都只是蒸气。许多照相上的录像,上面这些小巧的超轻型飞机在所谓的俄罗斯防空系统上都获得了“打分”,就像……美国和北约在1999年拥有1,000架飞机无法即使在进行了78天的空袭之后,塞尔维亚人还是保留了防空系统。塞尔维亚以其1950年代的古董老式俄罗斯防空系统击落了两名美国“隐身”旗舰战斗机……

    F-117的机盖,弹射座椅和机翼(序列号82-0806)于1999年击落塞尔维亚; 塞尔维亚贝尔格莱德航空博物馆

    现在,您不识字的土耳其山羊牧者想向世界兜售您的小巧轻巧的东西(使用奥地利制造的Rotax雪地摩托发动机)如何杀死俄罗斯的防空系统……?

    真是可笑……

    • 回复: @Jazman
    , @Blade
  136. anon[283]• 免责声明 说:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    俄罗斯希望被接受为尊敬的盟友。 它将获得美国初级合伙人的身份,但希望在英国法国等国家担任高级职位。 但是美国将没有任何东西。

    斯宾塞式的白人民族主义者希望普京被接受为平等伙伴,并希望将生存描绘为与中国和整个穆斯林世界的斗争。 它想对巴基斯坦进行核武器,并拥抱印度。

    种族主义使这些心理蒙蔽了双眼。 原因是他们戴上了KKK帽子。

  137. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @Tim too

    真正的变化是Su 57和70无人机。 这些将击败任何有人值守的5G竞争对手。

    还是不正确?

    无人机有一定的利基市场,而且并非所有的无人机都属于同一类……您拥有从手工发射的小型传单所获得的一切,就像在模型商店中看到的那样,它们都装在一个管子中,士兵将其装在背包中,可用于超大型喷气动力飞机,例如诺斯罗普·格鲁曼公司的MQ4 Triton,这是一架价值200亿美元的飞机,可以在60,000英尺以上的高度飞行

    仍在研发中的俄罗斯Su70 Okhotnik无人机也是喷气动力的,非常大,大约相当于大型战斗机的大小,并具有类似的速度和性能……

    在它们之间,有像捕食者,土耳其仿制品和诸如Harop之类的各种以色列超轻型轻推杆,几个小时前在纳戈尔诺卡拉巴赫被击落……

    显然,这种时速100英里的飞机不会威胁任何有能力的防空力量……但这就是重点,它们对没有这种防空能力的对手很有用……美国一直在使用掠食者和更大的General Atomics MQ9“收割者”模型进行追捕,带走恐怖分子开着汽车或躲藏,房屋等等。

    塔利班,伊希斯等敌方显然无法防御这种轻型飞机,否则这种轻型飞机将成为地空导弹系统的“坐鸭”……

    但是,即使这些小型无人机在正确使用的情况下也可以在某些情况下发挥作用……例如,以色列的无人机很小,因此很难在雷达上搭载……并且它们结合了一些良好的战术措施,例如携带机载摄像头,使操作员可以实时指导无人机…

    这没什么大不了的,因为即使是爱好遥控的飞机也经常使用此FPV,代表 第一人称视角...

    严重的无人机的关键区别在于能够远程控制它们的远距离,这需要卫星链接……美国和以色列的大多数无人机都具有这种能力,因为它们可以进入卫星[尽管以色列无法通过卫星将卫星发射到太空他们自己,通常依靠俄罗斯来发射它的卫星]…

    satlink控件的缺点是信号延迟通常为几秒钟,因为无线电信号需要花费一些时间才能到达高地球静止轨道[36,000英里]的卫星上,需要经过处理然后才能传播至飞行的无人机……这使得对于需要瞬间机动的任何类型的飞行来说,这几乎都是无用的……

    土耳其无人机不具备卫星链接功能,因为后方土耳其人无法使用卫星技术……他们正在尝试实现这一目标,但是没有人会帮助他们架起可用于远程控制无人机的卫星……在过去的几年中,他们确实使用意大利人为他们制造的一颗通信卫星,演示了一次这样的卫星导航飞行。

    因此,土耳其无人机必须像业余爱好模型一样依靠视线无线电控制…但是,如果将控制器放到以30,000英尺飞行的飞机上,您就可以控制无人机在大约100英里或更远的距离上……

    顺便说一句,业余爱好者也可以走更远的距离,但是他们受到美国联邦航空局(FAA)和其他国家/地区类似的管制航空机构的限制,不能飞越操作员的视线范围,还限于身高等。

    最重要的是,无人机并不能改变游戏规则……伊朗人流进伊朗领空后迅速击落了这200亿美元的MQ4……当事情发生时,这些事情几乎没有真正的实用性现在…

    问题是,西方世界没有真正的科学媒体,写这些东西的人们实际上具有一定的工程学和科学证书……所以他们反驳了很多非事实的废话……当然,大多数公众是技术上很不识字,所以他们相信发布的所有糟糕信息…

    • 回复: @Tim too
  138. Robjil 说:
    @Blade

    本文是土耳其人和阿塞拜疆人对他们通过征服控制的土地的历史所产生的仇恨的一个例子。

    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2019/mar/01/monumental-loss-azerbaijan-cultural-genocide-khachkars

    根据30月在艺术杂志《高变态反应》中发表的一篇冗长的报告,在过去XNUMX年中,阿塞拜疆政府一直在系统地擦除该国的历史性亚美尼亚遗产。 根据报告的作者西蒙·马格汉(Simon Maghakyan)和莎拉·皮克曼(Sarah Pickman)的说法,这种官方的,尽管是秘密的,对文化和宗教文物的破坏超过了伊斯兰国对巴尔米拉的自我宣传。

    土耳其人和阿塞拜疆人讨厌历史。 他们喜欢破坏人类的历史。

    丹佛的政治学家,政治活动家兼讲师马格哈吉扬(Maghakyan)将其称为“ 21世纪最伟大的种族灭绝种族”。 他长大后的故事讲述了父亲前往美丽而神秘的地方Djulfa。 它位于Araxes河两岸纳西切万(Nakhichevan)的阿塞拜疆(Azerbaijani)飞地,是世界上最大的古代亚美尼亚公墓的中世纪墓地的所在地。 从亚历山大罗德岛(Alexandre de Rhodes)到威廉·奥塞利(William Ouseley)几个世纪以来的游客,都注意到了偏远地区的辉煌。

    在最高处,墓地数以万计的khachkars或十字石备受瞩目,最早的历史可追溯到10,000世纪。 这些独特的高大石碑是粉红色的红色和黄色石头,为亚美尼亚人的墓葬传统所独有,具有十字架,具象的场景和符号以及高度装饰性的浮雕图案。 经过几十年的掠夺,到6年苏维埃正式将纳戈尔诺-卡拉巴赫和纳希切万自治区正式化时,还剩下不到1920卡赫卡人。 随后的偶发性破坏行为导致教科文组织于3,000年下令对这些古迹进行保护。

    • 回复: @Blade
  139. Anonymous[260]• 免责声明 说:
    @FB

    废话。 您是个顽固的家伙,其主要才能是剪切和粘贴不相关的教科书材料并喷出侮辱。

  140. @Blade

    当土耳其人或土耳其辩护者抱怨种族清洗时,一个有理智的人只能大声笑出来。 在20世纪XNUMX年代,安纳托利亚的希腊人和亚美尼亚人被迫驱逐出家,数十万希腊人丧生,数百万亚美尼亚人丧生。 这些民族的祖先曾在这些土地上生活过数千年,远早于土耳其人出现。
    在入侵塞浦路斯之前很久,土耳其政府就违反了《洛桑条约》,将希腊人赶出了伊姆布罗斯和特内多斯。 在这些岛屿上曾经是压倒性多数的地方,现在希腊人是一个很小的老年少数民族,不久就会消失。 甚至签署条约也没有阻止土耳其政府对这些人进行种族清洗。

    • 同意: Robjil
    • 回复: @Meena
    , @Blade
  141. Jazman 说:
    @FB

    土耳其人只有推特胜利。 最好的事情是一些所谓的专家称坦克时代终结了。 该玩具对真实广告没有机会

  142. Tim too 说:
    @Blade

    Pantsir可以轻松照顾慢速无人机。

    “他们绝对摧毁了叙利亚和利比亚的俄罗斯ADF。” 错误的。

  143. Tom Welsh 说:
    @Alfred

    这就是Wikipedia关于1900年(公认的120年前)的奥斯曼帝国的言论。

    • 回复: @Alfred
  144. @Blade

    这是个黑帮谈话:“给我你的房子,和亲戚住在一起,我保证
    不要再烦你了。” 而且我们生活在黑帮世界这一事实并不能说明
    您的建议看起来会更好。 但是,如果您认为这很正常,请让您的员工继续
    塞浦路斯首先关注它。

    • 回复: @Blade
  145. Meena 说:
    @Verymuchalive

    让我们知道,如果拉美裔开始支持墨西哥入侵美国以夺回南部各州,美国会怎么做。

    对穆斯林的仇恨在19年后仍然可见。 这个不可或缺的国家本身仍然声称,如果来自该国的某人表示已对效忠“基地”组织,则有权将其驱逐出该国的人民。 记住,穆斯林甚至在美国,英国,法国,澳大利亚组成的联盟中都不拥有权力。

    你能告诉我们为什么阿塞拜疆将允许从纳粹党及其周围地区对其人口进行种族清洗

    • 回复: @Verymuchalive
  146. Jazman 说:
    @FB

    游牧突厥山羊混蛋的好课

    • 谢谢: FB
  147. Tim too 说:
    @FB

    “最重要的是,无人机不是任何改变游戏规则的人……”

    我得到的是,飞行员是高速飞机性能的限制,因为飞行员无法承受飞机所能承受的重力,因此像UAV Su57这样的飞机将能够胜过有人驾驶飞机。 我很高兴阅读您的帖子。

  148. @Meena

    阿塞拜疆要回阿尔萨克的原因是在种族上清洗该共和国的亚美尼亚大多数人口,因为它在苏联解体后撤走了巴库的大量亚美尼亚人口。 原因很明显,除了像您这样的巨魔。

    • 同意: Robjil
    • 回复: @Meena
  149. Anonius 说:

    “萨克”的著作,无论他是否完全意识到这一点,都一定会从一个前提出发,即从给定的“公理”开始:如果你愿意的话,“普京永远是正确的”,无论他说或不做。 ,想想,做梦。 从这个公理自然得出的任何结论都必须自然而然地得出。

    当然,使用这种方法,必须用减轻(明显)差异的精心构造来精心解释这些推论和事实之间的任何差异。 每次现实似乎与上述公理相矛盾时,都要忠实地重复这一过程。 (顺便说一句,用于无尽写作的金矿。)

    对于忠实的信徒,这一切甚至都可以唤起人们对斯宾诺莎关于“上帝”中上帝存在的论点的记忆,该论点(远远少于)形式逻辑和宗教的完美结合。

    这里更贴切的类比是宇宙旧地心模型的命运。 在它的每个阶段,已经过于复杂的模型都无法说明行星运动的新近观察到的细节–因此,必须通过在较旧的模型中插入新的较小的“上环”来“巧妙地”“修改”该模型。 因此,这种情况一直持续下去。 笨拙的怪兽一直在增长-直到十六世纪初,尼古拉·哥白尼用笔轻描淡写地杀死了它,优雅而简单。

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferent_and_epicycle
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaus_Copernicus

  150. Meena 说:
    @Verymuchalive

    亚美尼亚一方只剩下长期的受害者。

    • 回复: @RT
  151. Blade 说:
    @FB

    泰德·波斯托尔(Ted Postol)合作

    笨蛋麻省理工学院的教授没有什么比与名叫Golf Juliett:D的人合作更好的了。 那是真名吗? 假设您说的是实话,“ Thedore Postol向我发送了这些图表”,这听起来像是他与我“协作”。 别误导别人,扮小丑。

    我担任航空工程师已有30多年了

    显然,您的想法非常过时,头脑不敏捷,因为您清楚地表明自己不明白所讲的内容。

    这就是为什么叙利亚军队清理了伊德利卜并占领了一半的砍头人的领土的原因

    叙利亚军队没有清理任何东西。 他们在有限的土耳其行动中被淘汰,无法进入伊德利卜。

    这些小型超轻型飞机在所谓的俄罗斯防空系统上的“打分”命中次数很多照片的视频片段

    视频不能是Photoshop恐龙。 这些ADF的所有者确认了这些视频的真实性,但是您在这里大喊大叫。

    和塞尔维亚,其1950年代的古董俄罗斯老式防空系统

    顺便说一句,塞尔维亚最近才宣布他们正在考虑购买土耳其无人机。 但是,无论如何,删除F117与该主题有什么关系?

    谁在乎发动机是汽车发动机还是塞纳发动机? 它们的用途与战斗机完全不同,其使用方式也与常规空军不同。 但是您甚至还不了解,却不断地询问引擎的体积如何以及它们没有卫星,这两者都是错误的,因为没有1种土耳其无人机,但许多都包括大于MQ1和带有卫星控件的MQXNUMX。

    同样,这种喧嚣声使我想起了俄罗斯或中国的宣传家。 鉴于您的名字听起来像是一个真正的中国式姓氏“ Golf Juliett Oscar”先生,我严重怀疑您是否有兴趣向人们提供信息,而只是在这里做宣传。

    • 回复: @A.
  152. RT 说:
    @Meena

    这是一个自欺欺人的行为,但也有受害者。 几个世纪以来,土耳其人的受害者无数。

  153. Blade 说:
    @Robjil

    您既没有回答我说的任何话,也没有提及巴尔干和NK都消除了穆斯林的遗产。 您会认为,在土耳其统治5-6至7个世纪后,这些地区将剩下成千上万的清真寺和建筑物,对吗?

    • 回复: @Robjil
  154. vot tak 说:
    @vot tak

    “伊朗与土耳其关系的描述也同样不正确。 我将从这些开始:”

    这应该是我在上面的评论中的第三段,介绍了有关伊朗与土耳其关系的相关文章。 不知道它如何下降到评论的底部。

    以下几篇有用的文章描述了伊朗与亚美尼亚和阿塞拜疆的关系:

    对伊朗阿塞拜疆的支持越来越大

    “德黑兰紧紧地走着,没有决定是屈服于舆论还是支持传统的盟友亚美尼亚”

    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/azerbaijan-front-line/growing-support-for-azerbaijan-in-iran/1997543

    伊朗和阿塞拜疆40年来首次加强联系

    “ 2019年,伊朗致力于加强与一个经常与之发生冲突的国家的联系-阿塞拜疆在与亚美尼亚的争端中需要盟友。”

    https://www.trtworld.com/opinion/iran-and-azerbaijan-strengthen-ties-for-first-time-in-more-than-40-years-23530

    伊朗在纳戈尔诺-卡拉巴赫冲突中的微妙平衡行动

    “伊朗与亚美尼亚和阿塞拜疆接壤,是两个国家起源的社区的所在地。”

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/5/iran-nk

    阅读这三篇文章应该使读者更深入地了解伊朗在阿塞拜疆和亚美尼亚及其在纳粹党内的利益冲突方面所处的位置。 可以看到,情况比买主所声称的要复杂得多,而且在这两个国家都涉及以色列的影响。 亚美尼亚现任领导人已在特拉维夫开设大使馆,并加强了与以色列的联系。 这使伊朗与亚美尼亚的关系有所冷却。 顺便说一句,虽然伊朗对亚美尼亚更加友好,但他们始终承认NK是阿塞拜疆的一部分,而不是亚美尼亚的一部分。

    现在,我认为伊朗对两国的政策更加中立。 我认为俄罗斯也保持中立。

    从我所读到的有关国家利益的角度来看这个新的冲突,我看不到他们中的任何人想发动新的战争。

    土耳其已经变得捉襟见肘,在叙利亚和利比亚打仗,与以色列,希腊和塞浦路斯在地中海东部地区进行了激烈的交战。 能源和以色列的美国和欧盟常任理事国也纷纷退缩。 在NK中开始新的冲突,现在还有很多其他事情似乎并不明智。

    阿塞拜疆与俄罗斯和伊朗都有很多经济项目,对NK的战争将严重干扰这些项目。 更不用说这种战争会给整个地区带来的混乱。

    随着亚美尼亚最近的色彩发布,我不太确定他们是否愿意避免冲突。 我猜现在那里有很多利益冲突,将国家拉向不同的方向,政府分裂了。 颇具讽刺意味的是,虽然现任亚美尼亚领导人似乎注视着以色列(那里的新大使馆),但这一新的冲突已经使以色列与以色列向阿塞拜疆的武器供应关系恶化了亚美尼亚与以色列的关系。 NK的领导人甚至在以色列被打勾。 请参阅以下2篇文章:

    在纳戈尔诺-卡拉巴赫,新的炮弹袭击和控诉交火使停火的执行黯然失色

    https://www.rt.com/russia/503173-armenia-azerbaijan-shaky-ceasefire/

    卡拉巴赫共和国首长指责以色列发生“种族灭绝”,因为亚美尼亚军队声称援助飞行交付了无人机

    https://sputniknews.com/world/202010111080739444-karabakh-republic-head-accuses-israel-genocide-as-armenian-army-claims-aid-flights-delivering-uavs

    似乎唯一真正有兴趣看到这场冲突爆发为战争的实体是以色列,其殖民地,以及阿塞拜疆,亚美尼亚和NK的某些独立于自己国家的人员。 我猜至少后者可能存在,并可能通过使用挑衅而引发冲突。 我仍在等待找出是什么以及谁开始了新一轮的战斗。

  155. Blade 说:
    @Verymuchalive

    在20世纪,土耳其统治开始后大约9个世纪,他们在与侵略者合作,将土耳其人赶出希腊,屠杀土耳其人和焚烧土耳其城市之后,不得不离开安那托利亚。 如果您知道,希腊人顺便宣布独立后,他们宽容了土耳其人多长时间? 还指出了转移战术,而不是回应主题话题,即带上安纳托利亚卡在塞浦路斯对土耳其人进行种族清洗。 我想即使您也意识到希腊人在塞浦路斯的行径是多么卑鄙的行为。

    • 回复: @Verymuchalive
  156. Robjil 说:
    @Blade

    5-6-7个世纪是最近的历史,相比之下已有数千年或数千年的历史。

    土耳其拥有300000平方英里,仅保留其土耳其历史,而Azeri拥有30000平方英里。

    亚美尼亚只有11000平方英里的路程可用来纪念其历史。 NK只有1700平方英里。

    巴尔干剩下的伊斯兰文化很多-波斯尼亚和阿尔巴尼亚是最大的伊斯兰文化。

    这是土耳其原始统治者如何处理小亚细亚人民历史的一个例子。
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/on-eve-of-anniversary-turkeys-cultural-genocide-of-armenian-history-is-ongoing/2015/04/23/d6e81f20-e9d1-11e4-8581-633c536add4b_story.html

    土耳其尤卡里·巴克拉里(YUKARI BAKRACLI)—这个小小的库尔德村位于土耳其东南部范市(Van)外,是一处曾经著名的11世纪亚美尼亚基督教修道院的废墟的所在地。

    亚美尼亚人称其为Varagavank,后来成为一个礼拜场所,直到土耳其军队洗劫了它,并在1915年大规模杀戮中杀害了教区居民。

    今天,屋顶正在坍塌。 倒塌的石柱就在附近。 没有标志,也没有得到承认,它曾经是亚美尼亚人的著名教堂。

    瓦拉加万克(Varagavank)是该社区数百个消失的身体提醒之一,该社区在当今土耳其的历史可以追溯到2,000多年。 在过去的一个世纪中,土耳其政府以自己的方式描述了亚美尼亚人所说的种族灭绝,它摧毁了许多亚美尼亚人的教堂,房屋,学校和墓地,或者让他们陷入了废墟。 它们是其他国家可能认为有价值的古物的站点。

    • 回复: @Blade
  157. Blade 说:
    @AB_Anonymous

    不。首先,我不太关心NK。 但是,只要问题仍然存在,它就在阿塞拜疆和亚美尼亚之间,土耳其不会开放边界。 简而言之,阿塞拜疆对土耳其而言比亚美尼亚重要得多。 此外,联合国承认亚美尼亚在那儿入侵,甚至俄罗斯也不会直接介入北约,因为他们知道阿塞拜疆人是对的。 如果亚美尼亚离开NK,这并不像土耳其有所收获,从客观上来说,结束他们的孤立对亚美尼亚比在NK保留一个飞地更为有价值。 这里的黑帮分子是用土耳其吓en亚美尼亚人,并使他们处于为自己的战略目标而处于悲惨境地的人。

    • 回复: @AB_Anonymous
    , @Yevardian
    , @Avery
  158. A. 说:
    @Blade

    @ 刀

    顺便说一句,“高尔夫朱丽叶·奥斯卡”不是一个名字(!),而是航空飞行员的常见用语,对字母GJO表示渴望。 (查看提供的网站FB的标题。)

    • 哈哈: FB
    • 回复: @FB
  159. Blade 说:
    @Robjil

    5-6-7个世纪是最近的历史,相比之下已有数千年或数千年的历史。

    那么,您何时考虑破坏对历史的仇恨和对人类遗产的破坏呢? 如果它有500年历史,则没有资格,但是如果有1000年历史,则没有资格? 😀

    巴尔干剩下的伊斯兰文化很多-波斯尼亚和阿尔巴尼亚是最大的伊斯兰文化。

    他们都是多数穆斯林国家。 谁会想到他们不会消灭奥斯曼帝国的残余物?

    这是土耳其原始统治者如何处理小亚细亚人民历史的一个例子。

    像往常一样,希腊人的垃圾报告令人惊讶。 这样一个有点可悲的国家,其生存的唯一目的是毁灭土耳其人。 🙂他们应该首先说明塞萨洛尼基的数十座清真寺和犹太教堂在哪里去了,而不用担心土耳其东部。 至少土耳其人将大多数教堂留给时间(以及其他博物馆),而不是像希腊人对土耳其清真寺,犹太公墓和犹太教堂所做的那样积极地夷为平地。

    • 回复: @Robjil
  160. LG 说:

    对于更重要的分析,但至关重要的是,请清醒地查看此博客。 造物主实际上曾经在那里阅读和评论。 他甚至抄袭了博客作者的一些内容,但没有表示赞赏。

    http://theriseofrussia.blogspot.com/2020/10/special-addition-second-battle-for.html

  161. LG 说:
    @Felix Keverich

    也许,如果俄罗斯了解软实力的运作方式,认真对待软实力并花更多的钱,那么他们就不会与乌克兰以及现在的白俄罗斯混为一谈。 应该牢固地扎根于俄罗斯阵营的两个国家。
    Pashinyan并不是理想的候选人,但是Sargysan的前任政府任期过长,人们终于受够了。

  162. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @A.

    ye是的,土耳其山羊goat显然是一个真正的航空“专家”……😂

    Alpha Sierra Sierra酒店阿尔法探戈

    😂

  163. @Blade

    总结一下您的评论,您可以得出结论,杀害群众并
    抢占土地,只要这些活动伴随着类似的东西:“这是为了
    您自己的利益–我们只是在帮助您”。 惊人! 到不需要任何东西的地步
    进一步的讨论,包括有关塞浦路斯的类似问题的讨论。
    我已经知道您不在乎或会为罢免您的人员而鼓掌
    从那里(无论采用哪种形式),因为这是为了自己的利益。

    • 同意: Robjil
  164. Yevardian 说:
    @vot tak

    考虑到阿塞拜疆正在获得以色列的大力支持,您颇具讽刺意味,但再次,与白痴争执是浪费时间。

  165. Yevardian 说:
    @Blade

    此外,联合国承认亚美尼亚在那儿入侵,甚至俄罗斯也不会直接介入北约,因为他们知道阿塞拜疆人是对的。

    滚开,在追溯到罗马帝国和帕提亚帝国的历史记录中,有提到Artsakh作为亚美尼亚的核心。 此外,如果阿塞拜疆人在巴库和巴库不像动物那样行事,就不会对卡拉巴赫运动产生任何推动力(在苏联统治下,它经历了典型的土耳其悄悄进行的种族清洗,就像塞浦路斯在塞浦路斯几十年前发生的那样)。 1974年入侵),该地区在苏联解体之前于1988年自称为亚美尼亚地区,这首先是亚美尼亚独立的主要动力。

    • 同意: Robjil, Derer
  166. Robjil 说:
    @Blade

    塞萨洛尼基发生的一切都无法与士麦那发生的一切相提并论。
    http://www.ihgjlm.com/the-whispering-voices-of-smyrna-the-destruction-and-genocide-of-a-christian-city/

    士麦那(Smyrna)是中东(当今土耳其)最富裕的城市和最先进的文明之一,由多种民族(希腊,亚美尼亚,犹太,土耳其,欧洲和美国)组成的独特混合物在1922年3.5月沦为灰烬。 Smyrniots(Smyrna的居民)通过MustafaAtatürk的命令成为受害者,MustafaAtatürk负责人类已知的最大规模的人类清洗活动之一。 自从亚历山大大帝时代以来,这种消灭导致了1922万希腊和亚美尼亚东正教徒的流失,这些基督徒已经占领了小亚细亚。 XNUMX年XNUMX月,阿塔图尔克(Atatürk)带领部队进入士麦那(Smyrna)(现为伊兹密尔),该岛主要是希腊基督教城市,被称为土耳其异教徒之城。 然后,土耳其人开始沉迷于掠夺,强奸和屠杀的狂欢。 这座异教徒之城被清洗和摧毁,随之而来的是土耳其的最后一个基督徒集散地。

    • 回复: @Blade
    , @Verymuchalive
  167. Avery 说:

    TheSaker对Turkbaijan对Artakh / NK发起的刑事战争采取了有趣的看法。 TheSaker提出了几个有效点。 但是,在许多情况下,他与自己的荒谬自相矛盾。

    1. {1988-1994战争。 }
    战争实际上始于1991年1988月,当时苏联解散,阿塞拜疆SSR宣布独立,NK宣布独立,土库拜疆军事力量全力入侵NK。 在1991年至1988年之间,非正规部队之间发生了一些军事冲突,还有生活在阿塞拜疆SSR的(苏联)亚美尼亚平民的臭名昭著的屠杀:Sumgait 1988,Kirovabad 1990和Baku XNUMX。

    2. {我要在这里提到,就国际法而言,NK是阿塞拜疆不可或缺的一部分}

    那意味着什么? 根据国际法,克里米亚据说是乌克兰的一部分:TheSaker,您不相信莫斯科会议纪要,对吗? 由犯罪团伙经营的假冒科索沃作品在国际上得到西方的认可:这是否意味着北约犯罪分子从其砍下的塞尔维亚历史悠久的心脏地带具有合法性? 国际认可意味着这时他们不得不出于各种原因发出这种声音:仅此而已。 如果Artsakh和亚美尼亚能够使历史悠久的亚美尼亚土地免受游牧突厥入侵者的侵扰,那就是他们所需要的所有“承认”和“法律”。 无论如何,认可是什么意思:游牧的野蛮人如果能够入侵就不会入侵? 塞浦路斯是欧盟的成员,并且还被誉为“国际公认的”。 这如何防止东亚和中亚的游牧突厥野蛮人入侵并在40年内占领了其中的40%? 没有。

    3. {使用土耳其攻击无人机对NK部队具有强大的效力,}

    您无从得知。 你的来源是什么? 土库曼宣传部? 知道据称具有破坏性的唯一方法是在Artraskh / NK或亚美尼亚共和国(RoA)军队内部拥有一个消息来源。 我非常怀疑你这样做。

    关于土耳其无人机的有效性(例如在叙利亚)。 对此进行了分析,得出的结论是叙利亚人确实遭受了一些人员伤亡,但很快就学会了对付特克无人机。 它们的有效性主要是由于叙利亚人不知道的东西最初产生的冲击作用。 (从 无人机战争网 2020/06/15)引用: {“与土耳其同行不同,西方观察者此后对在Spring Shield展出的武装无人机表示了保留。 首先,在承认TB2和Anka-S的战术效率的同时,批评家认为,突袭因素在很大程度上帮助土耳其获得了优于阿拉伯叙利亚军队的优势。 一旦SAA适应了空中发生的一切,他们的防御系统就能够给土耳其军队造成几架无人机伤亡。 也有人问及土耳其无人舰队的可及性,脆弱性和杀伤力。”}

    4. {此外,与亚美尼亚相比,阿塞拜疆是俄罗斯更好的合作伙伴……。}
    但是{……但是阿塞拜疆也加入了公开反对俄罗斯的GUAM组织}。

    这有什么意义? 阿塞拜疆如何成为更好的合作伙伴? 这很荒谬。 阿塞拜疆将把俄罗斯人赶出去,就像他们从加巴拉雷达场所做的那样,一旦他们不需要俄罗斯迫使/迫使RoA / Artsakh同意停火:就像莫斯科在1994年,2016年和现在的2020年那样或向RoA / Artsakh施加压力,要求他们采取措施使Turkbaijan受益。

    5.塞尔维亚人,俄罗斯人,亚美尼亚人

    因此,塞族人是伟大的人(我同意),但是他们的领导能力很差。 然而,亚美尼亚人民据信 {…。 Shmuels叔叔的}子,}, 因为? 塞尔维亚人选出了他们的领导人吗? 因此,亚美尼亚人民之所以糟糕,是因为他们选举了煽动者,而塞族人的利益则是因为他们选举了与北约积极合作的领导人,他们的目标是成为北约成员。 怎么不 {…。 Shmuels叔叔的}子,} ?

    6.阿塞拜疆,阿塞拜疆和所有假名。

    没有像“阿塞里”这样的民族。 伪造的名字是斯大林在1936/1937年左右创造的。 在此之前,现在被称为阿塞拜疆(也是斯大林的主意)的该地区的游牧突厥入侵者被简称为“突厥”或“ tar人” *或穆斯林。 那个假国家的土著人民是塔利什人,列兹金人,阿瓦尔人,塔兹人……。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

    7. {…。俄罗斯对亚美尼亚的需求实际上为零}

    那么,为什么俄罗斯要在亚美尼亚维持一个由5,000名RF士兵组成的基地,并拥有自己的战斗机翼,将防空与RoA的防空相结合等?如果俄罗斯不需要亚美尼亚,那为什么呢? {第二,对于俄罗斯来说,证明CSTO至关重要并有效保护CSTO成员国至关重要。 换句话说,如果俄罗斯让土耳其直接攻击亚美尼亚,则CSTO将丧失所有信誉,这是俄罗斯所不允许的。} ?

    8. {甚至有可能在NK周围遍布土耳其军事力量(甚至里面还有一些监控器!),以向阿塞拜疆人保证亚美尼亚部队已离开该地区并仍在外停留}

    Saker,这句话清楚地表明您不知道这是什么意思。 您是否真的认为亚美尼亚人会同意在Artakh附近/附近驻扎突厥军队? 您是否真的认为俄罗斯会允许北约突厥部队直接进入其南部边界。 也许您忘记了,但是我相信克里姆林宫记得特克斯是如何积极参与车臣的(代理)。
    亚美尼亚人在6,000-1991年的流血战争中损失了约1994起亚(…同时摧毁了大约30万至35的侵略者:图尔克贾尼派,阿富汗的穆吉,以及来自世界各地的其他伊斯兰恐怖分子)。 您是否真的认为,在将历史悠久的祖国从特克人棚户区中解放出来之后,他们会邀请种族灭绝的特克斯进来,以使他们灭亡吗?

    在这场战争(2020年)中,迄今为止,亚美尼亚人遭受了大约450起亚:悲惨的是失去了有价值的人。 估计敌人的KIA约为4,000-5,000:还远远不够。 这不是一个简单的“领土争端”:游牧突厥人几个世纪以来的梦想一直是消灭所有亚美尼亚人从其历史故土中消灭,以实现他们从博斯普鲁斯海峡到乌格里斯坦(他们的祖国)的不间断的泛土伦链的梦想。 …。在俄罗斯南部地区开展工作。

    _____________________________
    *这是名称的不幸组合::语与土耳其语完全不同。

  168. Avery 说:
    @Blade

    {…但是,只要问题仍然存在,土耳其就不会开放边界。}

    良好:亚美尼亚很快学会了应对方法。 她的经济状况很好。 最好与土耳其人有一个封闭的边界。 将便宜的土耳其垃圾放在亚美尼亚之外。 让土耳其人远离亚美尼亚。

    {简而言之,阿塞拜疆对土耳其比亚美尼亚重要得多}

    简而言之,Turkbaijan是一个古老的土耳其人梦pan以求的不间断泛泛链的一部分。 实际上,小亚细亚的奥斯曼利(逊尼派)土耳其人只鄙视里海(什叶派)土耳其人。

    {除了联合国承认亚美尼亚正在那里入侵}

    不,请告诉我们有关将亚美尼亚共和国列为入侵者的联合国文件。
    1993年UNSC提到了Artakh / NK的亚美尼亚人。 无论如何,当盖达尔·阿里耶夫(Heydar Aliyev)于1993年1994月同意在阿塞拜疆与纳戈尔诺-卡拉巴赫(Nagorno-Karabagh)领导人之间签署停火协议时,1994年的联合国安理会文件就无效了。 通过签署该文件,阿塞拜疆事实上已经认可了NKR / Artsakh,并同意进行和平谈判。 自从莫斯科在1994年将他们从完全解散中解救出来以来,作为土耳其人的土耳其人就一直在违反XNUMX年的停火协议。

    {甚至俄罗斯也不会直接参与NK,因为他们知道Azeris是对的。 }

    俄罗斯知道亚美尼亚人是对的。 俄罗斯无需直接介入阿尔萨克。 俄罗斯需要通过亚美尼亚采取一切行动。

    {如果亚美尼亚离开NK,这并不像土耳其有所收获,从客观上来说,结束他们的孤立对亚美尼亚比在NK保留一个飞地更为有价值。 }

    你要么是妄想,要么是认为亚美尼亚人是愚蠢的。 亚美尼亚人不会像土耳其人那样遭受历史遗忘症的折磨。 亚美尼亚人生动地记得1915-1923年在游牧的突厥入侵者手中的亚美尼亚人,亚述人和庞蒂克希腊人的种族灭绝。 我们还记得300,000年至1894年约1896万亚美尼亚平民的哈米德大屠杀,我们还记得30,000年在土耳其人手中……一个又一个世纪以来的大约1909亚美尼亚人的阿达纳大屠杀。

    尽管受到土耳其和土库曼的封锁,亚美尼亚的表现还不错。
    亚美尼亚的月收入实际上高于阿塞拜疆的月收入。
    亚美尼亚有很多问题,但是所谓的“孤立”并不是其中之一。

  169. Smith 说:
    @Mary Marianne

    那是个老新闻了,朋友。

    截至最近,土耳其一直在赞美中国:
    https://ahvalnews.com/uighurs/uighurs-accuse-turkey-betrayal-seek-new-friends
    https://news.yahoo.com/turkey-begins-phase-iii-trials-105020091.html
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-aiib-turkey-idUSKBN25R0FF

    维吾尔族像巴勒斯坦人一样,基本上是政治话题,实际上只有伊朗在乎他们(巴勒斯坦人)。 特别是埃尔多安(Erdogan)的土耳其人一直都提到他们的航班,但他仍在购买以色列的武器。

    从地缘政治角度看,“丝绸之路”主要由土耳其-巴基斯坦-中国组成,因此,让他们团结起来是有意义的,这就是中国绕过俄罗斯进入欧洲的方式。 尽管与俄罗斯不同,土耳其同时并未进入中国的主导地位(新疆以外),但中国可以用来对付俄罗斯,就像中国如何利用巴基斯坦对付印度,柬埔寨对付越南一样。

    人们只是认为俄罗斯是抵抗运动的武装力量,而中国是经济抵抗力量,但现实情况是,中国在军事方面甚至可能超过俄罗斯。 在同一座山上不可能有两只老虎,因此,如果中国要在亚洲崛起,俄罗斯,印度,日本和越南都将不得不倒下。 政治上没有朋友,你要与敌人保持亲密,而朋友则要更加亲密。

    当然,这可以是我自己的“中国是一切的背后!” 行动起来,我有自己的偏见,但同样,丝绸之路是真实的东西。

    • 巨魔: Derer
    • 回复: @Derer
  170. @Blade

    在20世纪,土耳其统治开始后大约9个世纪,他们在与侵略者合作后不得不离开安纳托利亚
    在第一次世界大战之前,年轻土耳其人的政策就是驱逐亚美尼亚人和希腊人。 奥斯曼帝国时期的亚美尼亚人和其他基督徒大屠杀发生在整个19世纪及之前。

    从希腊驱逐土耳其人
    这是不正确的。 《洛桑条约》的《人口交换协定》导致 400,000 土耳其人和其他穆斯林离开希腊前往土耳其。 作为回报,希腊人同意接受 1.3千万 亚洲的希腊人。

    如果您知道,希腊人顺便宣布独立后,他们宽容了土耳其人多长时间?
    到400,000年为止,希腊人共容忍了1922万。今天,他们仍然容忍了许多。色雷斯的人不受洛桑条约的约束。

    根据8,578年的人口普查,西色雷斯市的面积约为371,208平方公里,人口2011。[1] 据估计,三分之二(67%)的人口是东正教基督教徒希腊人,而30%(120,000万)是穆斯林,他们是希腊的正式承认的少数民族。 其中,约有一半来自土耳其,而另外三分之一则是主要居住在该地区山区的波马克人。

    这完全不同于土耳其。 《洛桑条约》签署后,有200名希腊人获准留在土耳其。 000年代政府赞助的大屠杀使之崩溃。

    经过多年的迫害(例如瓦尔利克·韦尔吉西(VarlıkVergisi)和伊斯坦堡波哥大(Istanbul Pogrom)),从伊斯坦布尔地区迁移的希腊裔希腊人大大加速,使希腊少数民族人口从袭击前的119,822人[7]减少到7,000年的约1978人。

    土耳其的希腊族裔人口现在不到3,000。

    那是塞浦路斯对土耳其人的种族清洗
    没有对土族塞人进行种族清洗。 1974年之前,他们占塞浦路斯人口的20%。 1974年,土耳其入侵塞浦路斯,并占领了36%的土地面积,其中包括大部分最佳的农业用地。 他们仍在占领中。 土耳其人甚至从定居者那里吸引了更多来自土耳其大陆的人。 所有希族塞人已被驱逐出被占领土。

    • 谢谢: Robjil
    • 回复: @Blade
  171. Blade 说:
    @Robjil

    撒谎后撒谎。 土耳其人解放后为何要燃烧自己的城市? 所有证人都说是逃离了烧毁自己社区的希腊帮派和亚美尼亚帮派,因为猜想是什么,他们不想给土耳其人留下任何东西(而且已经没有返回的希望,他们输了一场战争)。 据奥地利伊兹密尔消防首长的报道。 顺带一提,犹太居民区还算完好无损,我想知道为什么吗?

  172. Blade 说:
    @Verymuchalive

    在第一次世界大战之前,年轻土耳其人的政策就是驱逐亚美尼亚人和希腊人。

    第一次世界大战之前好吗? 他们在第一次世界大战前几年才成为政府。

    奥斯曼帝国时期的亚美尼亚人和其他基督徒大屠杀发生在整个19世纪及之前。

    不会详细介绍,在土耳其统治开始后的19世纪仍然是750-800年。

    这是不正确的。 《洛桑条约》的《人口交换协议》导致400,000万土耳其人和其他穆斯林离开希腊前往土耳其。 作为回报,希腊人同意接受1.3万亚洲希腊人。

    我没有问过洛桑。 您提到的那些土耳其人来自西色雷斯和塞萨洛尼基,十年前就消失了。 我问的是伯罗奔尼撒半岛,那里的土耳其人神秘地蒸发了。 就在的黎波里萨30K被杀,正是在希腊“英雄” Kolokotronis的回忆录中,他吹嘘在他们占领的城镇屠杀所有土耳其人(包括孩子和妇女)。

    到400,000年为止,希腊人共容忍1922万。

    感谢您在统治10年之内没有屠杀所有土耳其人。 但是我再也没有问过西色雷斯(Western Thrace),当时土耳其人几乎占多数。

    根据《洛桑条约》,二十万希腊人获准留在土耳其。 200,000年代政府赞助的大屠杀使之崩溃。

    您会发现,经过800年的宽容和事实上的特权,希腊人确实有一个糟糕的记录。 他们进入千年来试图消灭土耳其人的第一个机会是,他们给自己带来了痛苦。 不要怪土耳其人。 如果土耳其人像希腊人一样,那么在土耳其统治了800年之后,就不会再有希腊人的踪迹了。

    土耳其的希腊族裔人口现在不到3,000。

    别怪土耳其人。 在几个世纪的特权之后,没有人告诉他们站在入侵的军队旁边并开始杀死他们的邻居。

    没有对土族塞人进行种族清洗。 1974年之前,他们占塞浦路斯人口的20%。

    是的,那里有。 我不会浪费时间去寻找资源。 如果您真的有兴趣查找它,那么这里全都在那里。 EOKA,Nikos Sampson,希腊人Junta都被记录在案,事实如此。 您说20%的人口是土耳其人,这一事实足以证明土耳其人在暴力人数超过4比1时不会煽动暴力。桑普森本人说,土耳其人将被消灭,这是事实。

  173. 像许多狂热分子一样,即使面对事实,您仍然表现出无敌的无知。

    (1)年轻的土耳其人从1908年开始执政,就在第一次世界大战之前
    (2)对亚美尼亚人和其他基督教徒的大屠杀是在19世纪及之前的时代实施的,甚至在多个世纪以前都是如此。
    (3)洛桑后离开的400,000万土耳其人和其他穆斯林,除了西色雷斯以外,来自希腊各地。 许多人已经受希腊统治了数十年,而不是像您所说的十年。
    (4)几乎从一开始,土耳其国家就违反了《洛桑条约》。 由于系统性歧视,对非穆斯林征收的财富税,政府资助的大屠杀以及土耳其人在希腊多数岛屿的定居等混合原因,被允许留在君士坦丁堡,伊姆布罗斯和特内多斯岛的200,000万希腊人被撤职。 剩下不到3,000个。

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks_in_Turkey

    (5)相比之下,希腊其余的穆斯林则是受保护的少数民族,大约有150,000万人,比1923年的人数要多得多。
    (6)土族塞人(占人口的20%)尚未从该岛进行种族清洗。 现在,他们几乎全都在土耳其占领区(占该岛的36%,是大多数最好的耕地)。 先前的希族塞人居民已逃离该地区或被迫驱逐出该地区。

    • 谢谢: Robjil
    • 回复: @Blade
    , @barr
  174. A. 说:
    @vot tak

    “投票德”,

    尽管您的作品中清晰地显示了读写能力和深度,但有些人甚至(尽管只是短暂的一刻)可能会怀疑:您的年龄是多少?您的教育背景是什么?

    • 巨魔: vot tak
  175. A. 说:
    @vot tak

    While your obvious namesake @TheIdiot still could claim to have brought internet discussions closer to the truth, you yourself could rightfully lay claim to bringing these to a truly subterranean level, no small feat even for a faithful Putinist.

    • 巨魔: vot tak
  176. Alfred 说:
    @Tom Welsh

    这就是Wikipedia关于1900年(公认的120年前)的奥斯曼帝国的言论。

    你是说犹太人?

    您认为他们没有议程吗?

    当我父亲还是个孩子的时候-大约1927年-开罗的笑话是街上的土耳其乞be乞讨半个海盗,并说“但我是你的主人”作呕。

  177. HeebHunter 说:
    @Derer

    我敢肯定,一千只小脚怪拥有如此之多的武器和无所不能,以至于他们能够不断弯曲空间和时间,并向每个奴隶头上放枪,并以共产主义的名义强迫他们互相杀戮。

  178. @Robjil

    在1914年至1923年之间,几乎所有安纳托利亚的基督徒人口都被土耳其人强行驱逐,并因此丧生。 这相当于战前安纳托利亚的25%。 这些变化得到了《洛桑条约》(1923年)的承认。 然而,现代土耳其人仍然抱怨该条约对土耳其不公平,

    希腊爱奥尼亚人的损失是巨大的损失。 它曾被希腊人居住了数千年,并且一直是希腊文明的发祥地之一。
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_fire_of_Smyrna
    请注意。
    随后的大火完全摧毁了这座城市的希腊和亚美尼亚居民区; 穆斯林和犹太人住所幸免于难。[15]

    犹太人为The Young Turks提供资金的重要贡献是众所周知的。 人们喜欢伊曼纽尔·加拉索(Emmanuel Carasso)。
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Carasso
    他们非常希望土耳其人消灭被他们视为商业对手的亚美尼亚人和希腊人。

    快进到2020年。以色列是阿塞拜疆的主要武器供应国之一。 再加上零钱。

    • 谢谢: Robjil
  179. Anonymous[236]• 免责声明 说:
    @Arnieus

    的确,如果不采取俄罗斯行动,现在就不会有叙利亚。 但主要的一点是,由于俄罗斯的不作为,未来将不会有叙利亚。

  180. Derer 说:
    @Blade

    我尊重您放错地方的优先事项,但是,欧洲在伊斯兰文化中泛滥,强奸了欧洲妇女。

  181. Blade 说:
    @Verymuchalive

    像许多狂热分子一样,即使面对事实,您仍然表现出无敌的无知。

    是这样吗? 到目前为止,我是一个事实,一个事实,大多数时候是指您的OWN政治领导人的发言。 但是除此之外,无知总是比不能理解所要表达的白痴更可取。 一种可以治愈,另一种则不能。

    青年土耳其人自1908年就开始执政,就在第一次世界大战之前

    幼小土耳其人与1908年以来的亚美尼亚政党一同在议会中任职。自1908年以来,他们就一直没有上台,只有几年后的政变才拥有绝对权力。 但是,即使您是对的,那也只是6年之前的1914年。那不是第一次世界大战之前。

    对亚美尼亚人和其他基督徒的大屠杀在19世纪及之前(实际上是多个世纪以前)被实施。

    简单明了 谎言 那里。 如果有大屠杀800年,今天将没有亚美尼亚人或希腊人离开。 由于您提出了索赔,因此您应该能够提供许多证据。 继续,向我展示14、15、17甚至18世纪的大屠杀。 直到19世纪的叛乱,没有一个无知的男孩。

    洛桑之后离开的400,000万土耳其人和其他穆斯林,除了西色雷斯以外,来自希腊各地。 许多人已经受希腊统治了数十年,而不是像您所说的十年。

    不。 我为您提供了包含名称和位置的可靠示例。 解释的黎波里察发生了什么,请原谅Kolokotronis的话。 在希腊独立之时,土耳其人从伯罗奔尼撒半岛被歼灭。 塞萨洛尼基及其周围的主要地区人口众多,一战爆发前,他们在巴尔干战争中丧生。

    土耳其国家几乎从一开始就违反了《洛桑条约》。 由于系统性歧视,对非穆斯林征收的财富税,政府资助的大屠杀以及土耳其人在希腊多数岛屿的定居等混合因素,被允许留在君士坦丁堡,伊姆布罗斯和特内多斯岛的200,000万希腊人被撤职。 剩下不到3,000个。

    我完全同意这种待遇,也不会感到内。 他们做完一切之后,尽管享有特权,仍与一个侵略的外国势力站在一起,焚烧西安纳托利亚和希腊人将他们赶出去而进行的屠杀实际上是一种相当软的待遇。 如果我们是欧洲人,那么您就会知道他们都将不复存在。 他们在奥斯曼帝国统治期间享有数百年特权,因此享有地位,而土耳其干脆剥夺了这些特权。

    相比之下,希腊其余的穆斯林则是受保护的少数民族,大约有150,000万人,比1923年的人数要多得多。

    但是您甚至不能称他们为土耳其人,而是穆斯林。 他们不允许自己确定自己该怎么称呼自己,他们的领导人被暗杀(萨迪克·艾哈迈德博士),禁止以“土耳其”为名的组织,不允许他们选择其宗教领袖,以及其他压力。 与伊斯坦布尔的希腊人不同,西色雷斯的土耳其人是被剥夺了权利的人,这是他们在上述所有压力下被“容忍”的唯一原因。

    土族塞人(占总人口的20%)尚未从该岛进行种族清洗。 现在,他们几乎全都在土耳其占领区(占该岛的36%,是大多数最好的耕地)。 先前的希族塞人居民已逃离该地区或被迫驱逐出该地区。

    是的。 由于土耳其的行动,他们尚未受到种族清洗。 我从来没有说过他们已经完全被种族清洗过,但是有一个持续的运动,到土耳其入侵之时,由于暴力EOKA恐怖主义,土耳其人已经大部分集中在北部。 据我所知,您不能否认桑普森关于希腊军政府的声明和计划。 或实际上,到目前为止我提出的任何观点。 相反,您是在四处逛逛,或者挑剔一些小细节来分散重点。 那是不诚实的,但是,嘿,如果你是希腊人,我完全理解这一点。

    • 回复: @Verymuchalive
  182. Derer 说:
    @Blade

    俄罗斯的影响力将继续减弱,而土耳其的影响力将在高加索地区继续增加。

    狂热的骆驼牧羊人的文盲。

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  183. Derer 说:
    @Smith

    在军事方面,中国甚至可能超过俄罗斯。

    来自精神病院的职位。

  184. Anonymous[145]• 免责声明 说:
    @Derer

    他可能是游击队的穆斯林,但在这一点上他对俄罗斯人是正确的。 除非您认为这是俄罗斯大战略的一部分,允许其所有边界地区陷入美国-以色列赞助的混乱之中?

  185. @Blade

    我为自己的观点提供了许多参考。 您什么都没有产生。 这是因为您没有任何东西可以支持您的荒谬主张。

    那是一个简单明了的谎言。 如果有大屠杀800年,今天将没有亚美尼亚人或希腊人离开。 由于您提出了索赔,因此您应该能够提供许多证据。

    从土耳其入侵安纳托利亚开始,就发生了大屠杀,大屠杀,强迫改宗和强奸希腊人和亚美尼亚人。 结果,在安纳托利亚剩下不到3,000名希腊人。 至于亚美尼亚人:
    土耳其的亚美尼亚人(土耳其:TürkiyeErmenileri;亚美尼亚人:Թուրքահայեր,也also,“土耳其亚美尼亚人”),土耳其的土著民族之一,估计人口为50,000至70,000,[4] [5]

    土耳其国家几乎从一开始就违反了《洛桑条约》。 由于系统性歧视,对非穆斯林征收的财富税,政府资助的大屠杀以及土耳其人在希腊多数岛屿的定居等混合因素,被允许留在君士坦丁堡,伊姆布罗斯和特内多斯岛的200,000万希腊人被撤职。 剩下不到3,000个。

    我完全同意这种待遇,也不会感到内gui

    您确实是虚伪的工作。 土耳其可以违反条约,这是可以的,但是如果不是这样,您就会像狗一样how叫。

    与伊斯坦布尔的希腊人不同,西色雷斯的土耳其人是被剥夺了权利的人,这是他们在上述所有压力下被“容忍”的唯一原因。

    这是完全不正确的。 色雷斯(Thrace)的穆斯林有投票权,是受保护的少数民族。 君士坦丁堡的希腊人被土耳其政府的公开和秘密政策驱逐出境。 他们现在构成了一个很小的老年群体,不久将被土耳其政府终结。 与以往一样,您不要试图反驳我的观点。

    • 谢谢: Robjil
  186. @LG

    也许亚美尼亚人了解俄罗斯的运作方式,他们不会剥夺其国家的唯一盟友。 现在“受苦”的人正在受苦。

  187. TheIdiot 说:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    您的博客文章随处可见。
    https://bill-purkayastha.blogspot.com/2020/10/the-sultan-and-grandmaster-nagorno.html?m=1

    但是,您完全没有涉及以下主题: 为何选择 普京有没有卖掉
    (连同他的寡头们一起拉着他挂的绳索)
    乌克兰,叙利亚和现在的亚美尼亚…

    Perhaps one can look into the estimates of at least \$500bln. held by “Team Putin” in western banks?
    以及排名前500名的家庭(团队中的许多家庭)拥有俄罗斯95%的财富的事实吗?

    ……以“来看看”作为他最喜欢的电影的“印度人”? 🙂

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  188. Anonymous[161]• 免责声明 说:
    @TheIdiot

    是的。 从本质上讲,普京做了斯大林的工作:犹太寡头们的贪婪行为变得过于贪婪和夸张,它威胁着要破坏整个系统。 因此,他们摆脱了其中的一些,并迫使其余的人表现得很好。 但是他们仍然在窃取寡头,普京/斯大林只是面子。

  189. Alden 说:
    @Anonymous

    85年前的饥荒是90岁。 战争期间,当斯大林意识到自己需要乌克兰的产品和工人时,乌克兰的农业奇迹般地恢复了过来。

    • 回复: @Igivenoshit
  190. 萨克(Saker)起步很好,但最终又失败了,回到了普京的崇拜中。 萨克(Saker),美国并没有潜伏在您的床下,也没有参与您所认为的十分之一。 那里也没有纳粹分子。 莫斯科有很多人,特别是克里姆林宫。

  191. @Alden

    https://gff1977blog.wordpress.com/2013/09/19/jewish-butcher-of-the-ukraine-stalins-brother-in-lawlazar-kaganovich/

    “乌克兰的犹太屠夫

    拉萨尔·莫伊西耶维奇·卡加诺维奇(Kogan),犹太人,1893年生于乌克兰基辅附近的库巴尼。1911年,他加入了由犹太人创立的共产党,并加入了布尔什维克(下东城纽约犹太人)组织。 卡加诺维奇积极参与1917年共产主义对基督教俄罗斯的收购,并迅速升入党的等级制。
    从1925年到1928年,他担任乌克兰政党组织第一书记,到1930年成为政治局正式成员。

    卡加诺维奇(Kaganovich)是1929年后斯大林推动极高集体化率的少数顶级施虐者之一。他在1920年代末期和1930年代初成为斯大林的基督教俄国屠夫,当时克里姆林宫(犹太人)发动了对富农(小地主)的战争他们是基督徒),并实行了残酷的土地集体化政策。 由此产生的国家组织的强迫饥荒,是有计划的种族灭绝,并在7,000,000年至1932年之间杀死了1933万乌克兰人,并给苏维埃中亚哈萨克斯坦共和国造成了巨大的痛苦。

    从任何分析来看,卡加诺维奇都是历史上最严重的大规模杀人犯,而且毫不奇怪,在第二次世界大战期间,有大量的乌克兰人向德国人表示欢迎,其中许多人加入了武装党卫军,以阻止共产主义奴役整个欧洲。 ”

  192. vot tak 说:

    独家新闻:阿塞拜疆总统阿里耶夫说亚美尼亚总理帕欣延是乔治·索罗斯(George Soros)的产物

    https://sputniknews.com/world/202010151080780706-president-aliyev-azerbaijan-will-never-accept-nagorno-karabakhs-independence/

    [更多]

    “阿塞拜疆总统伊拉姆·阿里耶夫(Ilham Aliyev)在接受人造卫星采访时表示相信,亚美尼亚总理尼科尔·帕辛扬(Nikol Pashinyan)是美国亿万富翁和慈善家乔治·索罗斯(George Soros)的产物,他以对政治事业的慷慨捐助而闻名。

    “苏联的瓦解确实始于纳戈尔诺-卡拉巴赫的分裂主义。 那是触发因素。 人们常常会忘记那些集会的背后的集会,而这些集会是由背后的人组织的。

    “我经常说Pashinyan是Soros的产品,我相信每个人都会同意这一观点。 索罗斯不仅是个人,而且是一个概念。 我决不排除当时使用过这样的工具来瓦解这个伟大的国家。 只是从内部炸毁,播下不和,打败人民,并使国家瓦解。”

    我认为这是在哪里看,以色列安装了紫红色的颜色转速。 政权。 这些颜色转速。 政权一经掌权,总会制造麻烦,并总是以有益于锡安纳奇·纳粹同性恋的方式制造麻烦。

  193. 唯一令我困扰的是萨克(Saker)对东正教国家的评论。 罗马尼亚,保加利亚和格鲁吉亚在俄罗斯的经历与塞尔维亚不同。 如果塞尔维亚与俄罗斯接壤,情况可能会有所不同。 斯大林所做的几件好事之一是恢复格鲁吉亚东正教的自尊精神。 亚美尼亚人是单物主义者,但这仍然意味着他们是基督徒。 伊拉克的基督徒是单物主义者和内斯托里亚人。 东正教应该通过这种扩展宽恕他们的屠杀吗? 不要成为伟大的俄罗斯民族主义者。 无论如何,索非亚的主要大教堂是圣亚历山大·涅夫斯基。 残局是君士坦丁堡的解放。 东正教军队将解放君士坦丁堡。 预言在那里。

  194. WIKIPEDIA的GEORGIAN ORTHODOX教堂的历史:

    1801年,Kartl-Kakheti王国(格鲁吉亚东部)被俄罗斯帝国占领并吞并。 18年1811月1817日,尽管格鲁吉亚强烈反对,但俄罗斯当局仍废除了格鲁吉亚教堂的自首地位,而格鲁吉亚教堂则受俄罗斯东正教的宗教统治。 从37年开始,负责教会的大都会主教是俄罗斯人,对格鲁吉亚的语言和文化一无所知。[19] 格鲁吉亚的礼拜仪式被镇压,取而代之的是斯拉夫教堂,许多教堂墙壁上的古壁画被粉刷成白色,格鲁吉亚的宗教文献出版受到严格审查。 1870世纪是一个衰落与不满的时代,教堂的建筑经常失修,而人们对教堂的信任由于其化与腐败而减少。 1905年代开始的民族复兴; 当地神职人员在38年革命期间发出了这样的呼吁,然后再次遭到镇压。[XNUMX]

    在1917年25月沙皇尼古拉斯二世被推翻之后,格鲁吉亚的主教于1917年1921月39日单方面恢复了格鲁吉亚东正教的自尊。 在31年红军入侵格鲁吉亚之后,格鲁吉亚东正教遭到了严重的骚扰。[1943] 无政府主义政府关闭了数百座教堂,在约瑟夫·斯大林(Joseph Stalin)清洗期间杀害了数百名僧侣。 格鲁吉亚东正教教会的独立终于在1970年1977月1989日得到俄罗斯东正教教会的承认:此举是斯大林命令的,这是战时对苏联基督教采取更宽容政策的一部分。 战后,特别是在尼基塔·赫鲁晓夫(Nikita Khrushchev)领导下,发生了新的反宗教运动。 安全机构的腐败和渗透也困扰着教会。 复兴的最初迹象可以追溯到40年代,当时格鲁吉亚SSR共产党的书记爱德华·谢瓦尔德纳泽(Eduard Shevardnadze)采取了更加宽容的立场,从XNUMX年起,新的族长伊利亚二世可以翻修废弃的教堂,甚至建造新教堂。 同时,民族主义者的异见人士,例如兹维亚·加姆萨赫迪(Zviad Gamsakhurdia),都强调了他们与共产主义力量作斗争的基督教本质,并与教会官员发展了关系,这种关系将在XNUMX年以后成真。[XNUMX]

  195. Vlad 说:

    是的,Vučić和Serbs是您真正的朋友,他们需要敌人,而像个男生一样,可爱的朋友像特朗普一样去王牌和🙇‍♀️切碎垃圾……俄罗斯唯一的朋友是她的武器!

  196. Anonymous[193]• 免责声明 说:

    尊敬的萨克先生:

    你是俄罗斯人,这意味着一切。

    您应该了解一个基本事实,即如果没有它的唯一盟友(基督教亚美尼亚)在高加索地区,该地区将直属于北约,直达里海及其他地区。

    里海将成为美国湖泊,北约将进入中亚。

    俄罗斯人认为亚美尼亚人应该对此表示感谢。 但是俄罗斯想要一个奴隶。

    至于阿塞拜疆,它有3条主要的石油和天然气管道向西穿越格鲁吉亚和土耳其。 那就是你所说的比亚美尼亚更好的盟友吗? 阿塞拜疆扔掉了俄罗斯的卡巴拉雷达站。 那是一种友好的举动吗? 俄罗斯在亚美尼亚有2个基地和一个机场。

    萨克不理解泛突厥主义对俄罗斯南部腹部的明显威胁。

    普京让美国制造的土耳其F-16飞机进入突厥阿塞拜疆和成千上万的圣战分子,以击败忠诚的俄罗斯盟友亚美尼亚。

    那是多么疯狂? 让泛土耳其人殴打您的盟友?

    悲伤,Saker,非常非常悲伤。

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @yurivku
    , @alwayswrite
  197. 我是东正教徒,不像亚美尼亚人那样单身,但我只能说我爱亚美尼亚人。 我无法形容。 他们是亲切的先生们。 我在埃里温住了六个星期。 我经历了Vartevar的假期。 我爱亚美尼亚。 原谅我,萨克。 我希望他们接受他们错过的五个大公会议。

  198. Sean 说:

    “对所有亚美尼亚男孩来说,他们都在为不被根除而战,保持坚强,你的国家在你身后,我在你身后,” [丹]比尔泽里安写道。 “我为你们感到骄傲,继续为这场好战而战。 &记住,不管事情变得多么糟糕,至少您不是阿塞拜疆人,也不是饲养家畜。

  199. 我有一位来自巴库的阿塞拜疆牙医。 他是一个很好的人。 给亚美尼亚人的问题。 “您好,埃里温广播电台,您会去美国的Azeri牙医那里吗?” 他们也有很棒的音乐。 阿里姆·卡西莫夫(Alim Qasimov)。 亚美尼亚诗人Sayat Nova用土耳其语写诗...

    我最喜欢的埃里温广播电台的笑话:埃里温广播电台宣布,彼得罗森(Petrosyan)赢得了一百万美元的乐透奖金。 有人打来电话说:“我必须纠正你。 赢得乐透的不是Petrosyan,而是Sarkisyan。” 我希望没人介意……

  200. Anon[610]• 免责声明 说:

    分享

    杰克塔珀

    @jaketapper
    ·
    15年XNUMX月

    是的,当特朗普“帮助在阿塞拜疆建立一家旅馆,这似乎是与伊朗革命卫队有联系的寡头策划的一次腐败行动”。

    今天,Anne Applebaum在CNN上
    关于特朗普在阿塞拜疆的业务
    暗示谋取利益的心态将他的行为推向了这场冲突

    现在为什么我想到以色列向阿塞拜疆和战斗机提供波恩机群
    现在,为什么我想到犹太人谢尔登·阿德尔松(Sheldon Adelshon)向特朗普(2015年起)和2012年共和党候选人投了百万美元,以使美国对伊朗发动核攻击。

    现在,为什么我在思考为什么特朗普政府的犹太人成员和家庭成员会用虹吸管钱财医疗设备并送往以色列,资助定居点,维持与定居点的家庭联系,在被占领土上建造特朗普大厦并保护以色列暴行
    但是CNN并未提及它谈论反美活动,根据国际法进行的非法活动以及在伊朗实际支持亚美尼亚时使伊朗对阿塞拜疆的支持陷入混乱

  201. anonymous[325]• 免责声明 说:
    @Mikael_

    俄罗斯是基督教在世界上生存的最后希望!

    基督教会对信仰不是至关重要吗? 因此,以下两个方面似乎与您的可疑主张不一致。

    https://www.crossway.org/articles/why-the-church-is-vitally-important-for-every-christian/

    https://www.pewforum.org/2014/02/10/russians-return-to-religion-but-not-to-church/

    看来俄罗斯的单亲家庭正在增加……

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/4750962_Single_Mothers_in_Russia_Household_Strategies_for_Coping_with_Poverty

    俗话说… 在丹麦,有些东西烂了! 俄罗斯不是基督教的最后希望!

    • 回复: @Mikael_
  202. anonymous[325]• 免责声明 说:
    @anon

    由于我们正在选择谁应该获得“索洛玛尼治疗”,因此我选择了以下内容:

    1.腰果皮
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    3.通心粉

  203. vot tak 说:

    现在,“亲亚美尼亚”的宣传在这里已经被大量制定。 就像是某人精心策划的一样。 就像当美国的利益受到威胁时。 就像群居受到威胁时一样,需要蜂拥而至。

    请记住,犹太复国主义者正在激怒这场冲突的双方,他们没有这样做是为了造福亚美尼亚,阿塞拜疆或纳戈尔诺-卡拉巴赫。

  204. Anonymous[422]• 免责声明 说:
    @Anonymous

    确切地。 俄罗斯的策略似乎是切断他们的鼻子来掩饰他们的脸。 并不特别聪明。

  205. yurivku 说:
    @Anonymous

    “这是多么疯狂? 让泛土耳其人殴打你的盟友?”

    古老的故事–我们将对俄罗斯吐口水,但是当情况恶化时,她必须拯救我们。 忘了它。
    如果您想要良好的人际关系,请从自己开始。

  206. Anonymous[393]• 免责声明 说:

    Riiight,因为在教那些亚美尼亚人一个教训时,让您的南部边界变得不稳定,这真是一种天才的策略。 知道了。

    • 回复: @yurivku
  207. @LG

    俄罗斯似乎很好地保持了“稳定”,并通过上海合作组织与中国合作,以确保该地区的安全。 乌克兰试图改变政权,这是最新的爆发。 但是,是的,我一直在试图了解乌克兰,格鲁吉亚,爱沙尼亚和拉脱维亚是如何开始向西方发展的。 我认为白俄罗斯虽然没有……肯定有竞争在进行,但我认为它不会成功。 嘿-甚至看着世界的另一边。 应美国的要求,埃沃·莫拉莱斯(Evo Morales)在玻利维亚失去了权力。 那么,玻利维亚人民在过去几天做了什么? 投票给莫拉莱斯亲密盟友上台。 同样,我认为俄罗斯在白俄罗斯的影响力不会消失。

  208. @Anonymous

    这位购物者不是俄罗斯人,他是瑞士人,出生在瑞士!

    搬到美国,永远不会停止抱怨它有多糟糕

    如果他认为这很好,他应该搬到俄罗斯

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  209. anonymous[325]• 免责声明 说:
    @Vojkan

    是的,所有这些都证明了白魔无神徒的死灵性精神病是合理的。

    今天,伊斯兰教将不再是一件令人讨厌的事。

    哈哈! 我想您认为恋童癖的牧师根本不是个“烦人”吗? 三位一体,圣体圣事,神的独生子等所有诱发恶魔的异教徒意识形态对疯子的疯狂程度如何?

    当我看到证据(在Quora中说,甚至是穆斯林学者与基督教徒之间的辩论)证明您无神的低俗如何将您的头脑扭曲成椒盐脆饼,试图解释所有异教徒的垃圾时,我发现自己在想……该可怜还是吐口水?他们。

    我对你吐口水。

  210. barr 说:
    @Verymuchalive

    亚美尼亚人从1880年甚至更早开始破坏奥斯曼帝国,并叛逆了奥斯曼帝国。 它驱逐了穆斯林,并在土耳其人的亚美尼亚人的帮助下,热切地占领了俄罗斯赢得的穆斯林土地。

    这是问题的开始,这是受马克思主义民族主义对流散在俄罗斯和瑞士的亚美尼亚人的噩梦的启发。一个国家对安纳托利亚的渴望通过向帝国主义反穆斯林法国,英格兰和俄罗斯借以民族主义宗教种族模因而得到了加强。

    “亚美尼亚恐怖分子杀害了神职人员,亵渎亚美尼亚教堂以造反叛乱,勒索金钱,并杀害了亚美尼亚商人,警察,陆军将军和奥斯曼帝国政府的亚美尼亚顾问。 瑞士血统亚美尼亚人Hunchakian革命党和俄国血统
    达什纳克人(Dashnaks)都是在1900年前成立的,目标是破坏奥斯曼帝国并建立亚美尼亚国家。从1890年代开始,俄国亚美尼亚革命者就开始渗透到奥斯曼帝国。 他们将步枪,子弹,炸药和战斗机走私穿越不安全的边境,进入范,埃尔祖鲁姆和比特利斯省

    欧洲人在1878年几乎分裂了帝国,并计划在1890年代进行分裂。 只有担心俄罗斯会变得强大,才阻止了他们。 英国和法国的舆论很容易改变这一点。 确实,这正是亚美尼亚革命者想要的。 他们希望奥斯曼帝国的人入狱并处决亚美尼亚叛军。 欧洲报纸将报道说,这是政府对无辜亚美尼亚人的迫害。 他们希望政府起诉亚美尼亚革命政党。 欧洲报纸将报道说,这拒绝了亚美尼亚人的政治自由。 他们希望穆斯林通过杀死亚美尼亚人来对亚美尼亚的挑衅和袭击作出反应。 欧洲报纸只会报道死去的亚美尼亚人,而不报道死去的穆斯林。 舆论将迫使英法两国与俄罗斯人合作,并粉碎帝国。

    当达什纳克人占领奥斯曼帝国银行时,欧洲人安排释放他们。 欧洲大使迫使奥斯曼帝国对Zeytun的叛乱分子给予特赦。 他们为企图杀死苏丹阿卜杜勒哈米德二世的人安排了赦免。 俄罗斯领事不会让奥斯曼帝国法院审判达什纳克叛乱分子,因为他们是俄罗斯的臣民。 许多被成功审判和定罪的叛乱分子被释放,因为欧洲人要求他们赦免并得到赦免,从本质上讲,如果苏丹不释放叛乱分子和杀人犯,就会威胁苏丹。 范的一名俄罗斯领事甚至亲自培训了亚美尼亚叛军,亲自担任武器教官。”

    http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson/Armenia/justin.html

  211. Anonymous[412]• 免责声明 说:
    @alwayswrite

    像许多俄罗斯队的白痴一样,他渴望斯大林的辉煌岁月,但他发现普京政府中的自由派人士实在难以承受。 因此,他必须从佛罗里达州的别墅中克服困难。

  212. yurivku 说:
    @Anonymous

    不管做出什么让步,傻瓜仍然会折断他的额头

  213. Anonymous[227]• 免责声明 说:

    现在只是时间问题:

    https://southfront.org/armenian-forces-last-chance/

    俄罗斯外交政策的又一次成功!

  214. Mikael_ 说:
    @anonymous

    基督教会对信仰不是至关重要吗?

    不确定,也许对于 信仰 部分 -
    但是对我来说至关重要的是基督徒 原则 (希望和爱与慈善以及“在这个世界上接受非完美主义”),
    不能 制度化 基督教。

    第二篇链接文章需要大量解释才能将其视为负面。
    特别是您需要避免与其他国家进行任何比较。

    在第三篇链接文章上:确实,信息来自2000年,没有任何后续更新?
    在我的书中,这几乎接近您的要求。

  215. anon[278]• 免责声明 说:

    没有俄罗斯能做到。它正在寻找一笔交易,或者从2个相对的团体中进行2笔交易。

    “但是,这并没有阻止西方利比亚官员对瓦格纳寻求进一步的国际行动,瓦格纳的战斗机现在似乎已经成为哈夫塔尔军队的永久性武器。
    黎波里的国会议员Rabia Abu Ras告诉MEE:“人们应该醒来,并注意瓦格纳的罪行-在这里和全世界。”
    “他们就像恐怖分子戴伊斯(Daesh)。 现在他们甚至威胁着世界的石油供应。” 美国非洲司令部(AFRICOM)在XNUMX月份表示,有明显证据表明瓦格纳在的黎波里及其周围地区埋下了地雷和简易爆炸装置。 “瓦格纳集团的不负责任的战术正在延长冲突,对无辜平民的不必要的痛苦和死亡负有责任,”其行动负责人布拉德福德·杰林少将说。 “俄罗斯有权阻止他们,只是没有意愿。” 俄国人占主导地位,但瓦格纳也以雇用塞尔维亚人和乌克兰人而闻名。

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/big-story/libya-russia-wagner-mercenaries-sprayed-bullets

    俄罗斯的行为就像伊斯兰国在利比亚的另一个赞助者一样,并在利用其自己的俄罗斯公民进行恐怖主义袭击。 有趣的是,就像ISIS对非穆斯林的仇恨使他们如此恶毒一样,种族主义也使Wagner成为另一个同样危险的机会主义法西斯野兽。

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