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名人知识分子乔丹彼得森写了一篇博文,“'关于所谓的“犹太问题”,”内部引号表明他认为这不是一个真正的问题——只有“反动阴谋论者”才会提出的问题。 他的博客包含指向 Nathan Cofnas 批评的链接 批判文化。 没有链接到 我的回复——这可能会提供关于他的智力诚实的线索 .

的确,如果有人认为自己可以解决一个问题,而这个问题已通过 1100 字的博文引起了西方历史上一些最著名的思想家的注意,那么人们肯定会怀疑他的严肃性。

彼得森因其反对政治正确的勇气和知识而广受欢迎。 他支持男人和个人责任。 值得称赞的是,他通过社交媒体获得了名人地位,而不是作为主流媒体的产物。 他的声望很大程度上取决于他在论证中使用了科学数据。 我和许多其他人当然欣赏这种方法; 他在讨论性别差异和性别政治方面特别有说服力。 这在公共话语中是不够的。

然而,彼得森对犹太人问题的粗制滥造,包括针对我自己的工作的谩骂,动摇了我对彼得森可信度的信心。 这是他对身份主义者(即捍卫其群体利益的人)的更广泛攻势的一部分。 对于彼得森来说,只有个人兴趣(对于赞成进化生物学的人来说有点奇怪,这是一个包含亲属选择理论的分支学科,而对于人类来说,则是文化群体选择)。 彼得森承认有一个犹太人问题就是承认 群体利益的现实——不仅是家庭,还有宗教、民族和国家.

在西方,不承认群体利益对其传统的欧洲衍生人口来说是一种自杀。 由于对流行态度无反应的精英强加了大规模的非白人移民和多元文化主义,这些社会的传统人口将在他们已经统治数百年的土地上成为少数民族,在欧洲的情况下,数千年. 在西方,这些移民通常建立身份认同群体,意图追求他们的群体利益,并且随着传统的欧洲衍生人口(独特地产生了个人主义社会)的减少,他们这样做的权力越来越大。 虽然我很想生活在一个源自欧洲的个人主义社会,但在这种情况下,像现在这样追求个人主义战略是一种自杀。 除非发生剧烈变化,否则未来只会变得更糟。

那些鼓吹个人主义意识形态的人在政治正确的雷达下飞行,因为他们避开白人身份主义。 但是,如果目前的趋势继续下去,西方的个人主义文化将成为遥远的记忆,因为这些新民族与已经支持彼得森憎恶政策的白人社会正义战士合作掌权。 已经在美国 民主党的非白人投票份额为 44%,而且随着国会批准的每年超过 XNUMX 万的流入继续,这一数字只会在未来几年增加。 个人主义者的信念是,这些新来者很容易成为优秀的西方人,而现在如此庞大的族群政治将成为过去式——一场宿命的赌博,随着政治的日益增多,将以灾难结束 种族化 (约 60% 的白人投票给共和党,而白人占共和党的 90%),各群体之间的成就差异成为政治摩擦的重要来源,并且存在 社会凝聚力和为公共物品做出贡献的意愿下降. 这些变化对西方传统的白人多数来说是灾难性的。

彼得森提出了一个案例,即犹太智商可以解释犹太人成就和影响的所有方面,使用 112-115 范围内的德系犹太人 IQ 估计值(并在他的计算中使用 115)——略高于 理查德林恩的估计 110–112。 他辩称,犹太人在进入精英大学时受到歧视,引用 Free Introduction “新闻周刊” 文章. 但这篇文章只讨论了“上世纪初”对犹太人的歧视——当然是真的。 但这与现在有什么关系?

事实上,犹太人在精英大学中的比例非常高,甚至纠正成绩分数,正如 罗恩·恩兹(Ron Unz),(总结 这里)。 Unz 描述了犹太人的智力衰退,这是通过在广泛的竞赛中的表现来衡量的,从国家优异奖学金竞赛(强调口头成就,一种传统的犹太人力量)到数学和科学奖项。 在解释这些发现时,Unz 指出犹太人越来越自满和缺乏努力,支持他的论点,指出最近一些杰出的犹太人更有可能是来自前苏联的移民,因此更有可能有很强的积极性。 人们得到了第三代和第四代犹太人的形象,他们出生于财富和权利感,认为没有必要努力工作以提升精英地位——并且在这种评估中非常正确。 此外,他指出越来越多的犹太人来自东正教,这是一个智商相对较低的群体。

根据学业成绩,Unz 估计犹太人应该占优等生的 6% 左右,远低于常春藤盟校的约 25%,称这种差距“完全荒谬可笑”。 “在过去的一两年里,精英主义和犹太人数量已经成为对立的力量:精英主义标准越严格,犹太人承认的就越少。”

使用 130 的智商(这可能是精英学校录取的一个很好的衡量标准)并假设对平均犹太智商的高估计为 115,2.1% 的白人人口将得分超过 130,而 15.8% 的犹太裔美国人会. 这产生了 4.2 万白人和 948000 名智商≥130 的犹太人,假设与彼得森一起有 200,000,000 名白人和 6,000,000 名犹太人。 这表明在这些机构中,白人的人数应该比犹太人多约 4.3 比 1。 如果您将前 1% 的人作为一个很好的衡量标准(IQ = ~135),这些结果将不那么引人注目,但请记住,这些结果是使用处于估计高端的平均犹太人 IQ 衡量标准来计算的。

但实际上,Unz 列出的常春藤联盟中的百分比是差不多的。

彼得森通过使用 IQ ≥ 145 的临界值来说明他的情况,这大大降低了犹太人/非犹太人的比例,但不仅与绝大多数精英大学录取无关,而且与绝大多数精英部门的工作无关。经济。 此外,将亿万富翁作为高智商(> 145)的指标是有问题的,因为彼得森未能提供证据证明亿万富翁通常处于非常高的智商范围内。 一项研究 乔纳森·威 发现 57% 的亿万富翁进入了精英大学(Wai 认为这意味着智商在前 1% 中),88% 的人从大学毕业——这很难表明亿万富翁作为一个群体的平均智商比白人平均数高出 3 个标准差(≥ 99.87% 的人口)。

此外,一些行业的犹太人比例过高,无法用更高的犹太人平均智商来解释。 在电影业的头几十年里,好莱坞的五家主要制片厂都归犹太人所有——以任何其他名称垄断。 尽管近几十年来该行业变得更加复杂,但犹太人在所有权和生产方面仍保持在媒体中的主导地位,这对媒体内容产生了有据可查的影响,这与主流犹太社区的态度和对更广泛文化的左侧(此处, xlvi–lvi)。

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将犹太自由主义与开放性的人格特质联系起来是有问题的,因为自由主义并不是以色列犹太人的显着特征,因为左翼政党微乎其微。 梅雷茨的立场与主流民主党和工党政客相似,民调支持率约为 4%。 我意识到以色列人的平均智商低于美国的德系犹太人,但这肯定不能解释以色列犹太人普遍缺乏对自由主义的吸引力。

关于开放性的人格特质,彼得森的主张不是基于对犹太人的研究,而是基于文献中的一般发现,通常基于大学生的反应; 然后将这些外推到犹太人。 一般来说,虽然智商和开放度之间存在显着相关性,但它们并不能解释大部分差异。 例如,彼得森合着的一篇论文发现开放性和 g 之间的相关性介于 11 和 30 之间 g 以及开放性的 6 个方面,平均为 2。[1]Colin DeYoung、Jordan Peterson 和 Daniel Higgins,“开放性/智力的来源”, 中国人格 73,没有。 4(2005 年 825 月):858-XNUMX。 这意味着在高端,相关性解释了大约 9% 的开放性方差; 在各个方面,范围在 1% 到 9% 之间,平均为 4%。 这意味着知道某人具有高智商并不能很好地预测该人的开放性也很高。[2]方面(28 和 30)的最高相关性分别是价值观和理念。 价值观高端的人在政治上是自由的,而价值观低端的人更有可能支持僵化的信仰,例如信仰一种真正的宗教。 有想法的人喜欢面对复杂的问题。 Peterson 在他的博客中引用了本文中的相同数据。

此外,一般的带回家信息 批判文化 是我描述的运动对创新想法或否定证据不开放。 参与者盲目崇拜有魅力的领袖,如弗洛伊德、博阿斯、托洛茨基和卢森堡; 他们通过相互引用和促进形成了相互钦佩的社会。 持不同政见者被简单地驱逐或忽视。

这种行为非常符合传统欧洲社会中历史犹太群体的动态。 这些人的特点是强烈的威权主义倾向,拉比实际上对他的团体拥有生死攸关的权力。 这种专制氛围也是 XNUMX 年讨论的犹太知识分子和政治运动的一个突出方面。 批判文化. 来自正统立场的反对者,例如弗洛伊德提出的俄狄浦斯情结,不是对经验探究和实验持开放态度,而是被简单地驱逐并经常在此过程中受到诽谤。 这些都是与犹太左翼有关的运动。

从历史上看,犹太左派并没有以宽容或促进公民自由而著称。 人们只需要考虑到 1950 年代犹太人在共产主义和共产主义阵线组织中的高参与率,以及 他们作为精英​​的角色 至少在 1930 年代,布尔什维克革命之后的苏联发生了大规模屠杀、种族驱逐和政治镇压的高峰。 在这方面,有趣的是,美国和西方其他地方的左派越来越专制,尤其是在大学校园里,持不同政见者受到公开羞辱和骚扰,持不同政见者被迫取消或遭到来自美国的破坏性的、经常是暴力的示威。左——几乎不是传统上理解的开放的标志。 自由主义者欢呼,因为白人身份主义者被取消了平台,广义上的“仇恨言论”在西欧越来越受到法律处罚,在美国受到非正式但仍然有效的制裁此类法律——这与彼得森倡导的古典自由社会几乎不符-已经 由犹太组织推动 整个西方。

总的来说,犹太人的政治态度与社会阶层的相关性与非犹太人不同(“犹太人像圣公会教徒一样挣钱 [实际上更多],但像波多黎各人一样投票,”正如米尔顿·希梅尔法布所说的那样)。 经济利益和政治意识形态之间的鸿沟至少可以追溯到 1920 年代。 事实上,在 1921 年至 1961 年的整个时期内,CPUSA 中央委员会的犹太人更有可能拥有中产阶级的专业背景,并且更有可能在大萧条的经济困难之前加入。 此外,1960 年代的新左派激进学生不成比例地来自受过高等教育和富裕的家庭。 即使是成功的犹太资本家也倾向于采用比外邦人的信仰更左的政治信仰。

或者考虑一下查尔斯·西尔伯曼 (Charles Silberman) 关于犹太人对“民主党”的吸引力的评论。 . . 以传统的热情款待非 WASP 族群。 . . . 一位强烈反对[总统候选人沃尔特]蒙代尔的经济政策的杰出经济学家仍然投票支持他。 “我在电视上看过大会,”他解释说,“共和党人看起来不像我这种人。” 同样的反应导致许多犹太人在 1980 年投票支持卡特,尽管他们不喜欢他。 “我宁愿生活在一个由我在民主党大会上看到的面孔统治的国家,而不是我在共和党大会上看到的面孔统治的国家,”一位知名作家告诉我”(((某些人,347-348)。

这表明必须探索其他原因来理解犹太人对左翼的吸引力,特别是犹太人如何看待自己和更广泛的社会。 左派中犹太人身份的处理(在第 3 章讨论) 批判文化) 表示复杂甚至自欺欺人的犹太人身份。 一个共同的主题,例如,在 Norman Podhoretz 的作品中很明显 为什么犹太人是自由主义者? 是犹太人历史的“泪花”观点。 这种对犹太历史的看法是犹太教育和自我认同的一部分。 从这种观点来看,从罗马人对第二圣殿的毁灭,到中世纪的驱逐,到 XNUMX 世纪后期的俄罗斯大屠杀,再到大屠杀的高潮,西方的犹太历史一直是长长的泪水面纱。 犹太知识运动的主要动机在 批判文化 是这些运动在打击反犹太主义方面的效用。 在 1920 年代和 1930 年代,犹太人被苏联和共产主义广泛吸引的一个主要原因是因为反犹太主义在苏联被禁止,而众所周知,犹太人在社会精英阶层中占有突出地位。

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仅仅拥有相对较高的智商并不意味着在 咖啡馆 尽管犹太人对媒体、文化创造、社会科学和人文科学的信息以及政治进程产生了非常大的影响,但这种趋势并没有发生在 东南亚华侨华人 尽管他们在该地区的经济中占据主导地位并且他们的平均智商很高。 华人在东南亚国家还没有形成文化精英,也没有集中在媒体所有权或文化建设上。

以下描述泰国华侨政治态度的段落永远不会适用于自启蒙运动以来西方社会的犹太人:

但似乎很少有人知道或确实关心对公民身份、国籍权利和一般政治活动的限制,中国媒体也没有对这些限制进行太多宣传。 这只是指出了一个事实,所有观察家都承认,华侨主要关心的是谋生或发家致富,因此对他们所居住国家的正式政治生活只是被动关心。[3]考夫林,RJ (1960)。 双重身份:现代泰国的华人。 香港和伦敦:香港大学出版社和牛津大学出版社,169。

我的结论是,彼得森的分析不足以解释犹太人在西方文化中取得的成就和参与的重要方面。 我经常说,如果犹太人与他们所生活的社会的传统民族和文化有着相同的利益,那么他们是否是精英并不重要。 高智商和其他特征和倾向 (包括种族网络),他们必然会在西方类型的社会中取得成功。 问题在于,犹太精英并没有采取符合西方传统欧洲民族及其文化利益的立场,特别是关于 移民和多元文化 - 一项持续至今的努力,是整个有组织的犹太社区的特征。 彼得森的分析从根本上是不充分的,因为它忽略了犹太人对其身份的看法,以及这些看法如何与犹太人在散居社会中与左派的参与相交。

彼得森向在此过程中变得富有的权力鞠躬。 他是那种像多元文化精英一样的“反叛者”,参与审查那些会揭露这些精英的力量以及他们对西方人民和文化的敌意的人。

当彼得森开始为我们的人民哭泣时,我们可以确信他是真理的捍卫者


參考資料

[1] Colin DeYoung、Jordan Peterson 和 Daniel Higgins,“开放性/智力的来源”, 中国人格 73,没有。 4(2005 年 825 月):858-XNUMX。

[2] 方面(28 和 30)的最高相关性是 价值观和理念 分别。 价值观高端的人在政治上是自由的,而价值观低端的人更有可能支持僵化的信仰,例如信仰一种真正的宗教。 崇尚理想的人喜欢面对复杂的问题。 相同的数据显示在 这张纸,彼得森在他的博客中引用。

[3] 考夫林,RJ (1960)。 双重身份:现代泰国的华人。 香港和伦敦:香港大学出版社和牛津大学出版社,169。

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  1. Anonymous [AKA "Marija"] 说:

    His paper son Yugoslavia and Soviet Union that deal with history and politics are atrocious. Just mainstream propaganda justified with some applied psychology (never mind the facts and basic assumptions are false)

  2. utu 说:

    当彼得森开始为我们的人民哭泣时,我们可以确信他是真理的捍卫者

    Prof MacDonald hit a false note here unless his imagined audience has been reduced to “our people” only. I think he should broaden his target. Nobody wants Peterson to weep. His ethnic affinity and ethnic politics is his business just like it is Prof. MacDonald’s business and it has no place in scientific dispute. Peterson’s duty is to adhere to scientific integrity. Peterson is either not honest or his understanding of what is known about IQ distributions and Jewish overrepresentation is inadequate. Who he weeps for or not does not matter.

    All arguments presented here by Prof. MacDonald are correct, however if one wants to engage in a battle with propaganda tube that Peterson has become the presentation should be forceful to get Peterson’s attention and put him on defensive. One could start with the title: “IQ insufficient to explain gross Jewish overrepresentation: Jewish social networking the best kept secret” or something that really shouts and grabs your attention. This should follow with examples of overrepresentation from Ron Unz papers and calculation for three scenarios of Jewish IQ: 105, 110 and 115 and statistics for Jewish fraction among top students that Ron Unz likes to quote which suggests that high IQ estimate are not really congruent with the Jewish fraction among top students. And then it should repeated the message ad nauseam. Ultimately it is not about science debate where reasonable and cultured people can settle arguments by citing past work w/o spelling it out. This is about counteraction to meme creation. The meme that has to be counteracted is the meme of Jewish intellectual supremacy that justifies Jewish dominance and power.

  3. Afina 说:

    Vox Day has done a good job of deconstructing Jordan Peterson. The guy is a fraud.

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  4. utu 说:
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    I hit agree meaning that I got a very negative vibe first time I heard/saw him on YT and thought he was shallow high strung fraud. But I am no familiar with what Vox Day did.

    • 同意: Mike P
  5. Anonymous [AKA "Fuddu"] 说:

    Just got rejected from a masters program at UT Austin and lo and behold, majority of the admissions committee is Jewish. Go figure, I guess if I had just done a tour in the Israeli army and beat the living shit out of some Palestinians, maybe they would’ve considered my app like they do for the other Jews who get in.

  6. JP is just the gateway, people start with JP but if they dig a little deeper and have an interest in the truth they will end up on our side

    JP has his faults but is doing good work

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @HamishH
  7. utu 说:
    @Anonymous

    It would be interesting to see ethnic composition among faculties. Once I looked at faculty of Harvard and Georgetown law departments and they seemed to be like 70% Jewish. I would love to be able to test their fabulous IQs.

    • 同意: Che Guava
  8. JP=Jordan Peterson

    JP=Jewish Problem

    巧合?

    我想不是。

  9. ‘57% of billionaires went to elite universities (which Wai interprets as suggesting an IQ in the top 1%) and 88% graduated from college’

    Interesting that most money-grubbers, usurers, and general shitbags are university grads. To my recollection, it seems many, if not most, of the great artists were dropouts of one stripe or another. But no, IQ is all, it is literally the only measure of life itself, no room for imagination, rebellion, creativity. Can anyone, anyone?, conceive in some remote recess of their megabrain beauty, sadness, shame?

    I haven’t finished this article, but will say I agree with its premise, and in the brief two or three times I’ve attempted to watch Peterson on youtube I’ve come away fuming. Whiney-sounded Canadian with a colossal ego, prancing around a stage, presuming to enlighten us on say the Bible for, what, 30 hours? Also, I’m 100% in agreement with McDonald: ‘Indeed, one must wonder about the seriousness of someone who thinks he can settle an issue that has gotten the attention of some of the most celebrated thinkers in Western history with an 1100-word blog post.’

  10. @utu

    ‘Jewish intellectual supremacy that justifies Jewish dominance and power.’

    ……In the Jewish mind. Cuz it’s all–all–about money money money, and in turn the power over others it brings. They do love this system, don’t they? Beauty wiped clear off the face of the earth, replaced by logos, social media, iphones, shite music, unspeakable ‘culture’.

  11. Pretty interesting that Jewish intellectuals figured out who they would vote for by looking at pictures on the television. For a smart race of people, sometimes they seem very shallow.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @Wally
  12. This is to Ron Unz, if you’re skimming comments, rather than to Mr. MacDonald, who may not either. After the other day’s exchange of comments, I now see what you are talking about with Mr. Peterson. I guess he mouths off about a lot of stuff, and that’s the problem, really. He made the big-time, or what passes for that in 2018, but he should stick to his area of opinion that he has become known for.

    I still maintain that it’s great this guy is around to enlighten young men (older ones have learned) on the evils of feminism. One can just ignore the rest of his opinions and just take the good advice. Like I wrote before, he’s not a public official, at least. I don’t at all blame the author here, Mr. MacDonald, of course, for rebutting Mr. Peterson by any means. I agree with Mr. MacDonald, from what I’ve read here.

    I especially like the part in which he explains succinctly that an individualist society is going to lose when getting mixed with a bunch of people from tribal societies, resulting in the loss of any type of individualist culture completely (which was the reason for the tribal-cultured people moving in to begin with – oh, the irony!)

    • 回复: @Yevardian
  13. Boas and the early marxists told us that race was a “social construct” so that we would open our borders.

    Now the Jews say, “Oh well, we’ve replaced white people and wrecked every nation in the western world, and it turns out that race matters after all! We Jews are just smarter! Too bad for you!”

    And the Jews wonder why people hate them?

  14. Anonymous [AKA "Troperov"] 说:
    @Bragadocious

    They are usually shallow, but agile and clever. Whitehead understood his Jewish students very well.

  15. As a strong anti-Zionist who is quite “woke” on the JQ, I am hesitant to contribute to feelings of Jewish supremacism, but I consider a commitment to intellectual honesty to be paramount.

    Looking at Mr. Unz’s data table, it is apparent that Jews are over-represented in the Ivy League universities relative to their nation-wide numbers. However, it seems to me that another important explanatory variable in determining where someone goes to college is location. People tend to want to attend college not too far from home. My understanding is that Jews are heavily concentrated in certain geographical areas of the United States, particularly in NYC and key areas of the NE coast. Looking at the table again, we see that the Jewish percentages are much higher on the east coast schools (with the exception of MIT) in comparison with the elite west coast schools. To accurately assess the degree of Jewish “over-representation” we need to compare Jewish enrollment in the Ivy League not in relation to their nation-wide numbers, but in relation to their representation in the populations near those schools. It seems to me that after controlling for both IQ and location, the degree of Jewish over-representation in the elite east coast schools is not as nefarious as it might initially appear.

    A less important observation of mine is that the lowest Jewish representation on the east coast is at MIT, and the lowest Jewish representation on the west coast is at Caltech. From my, admittedly scant, reading about IQ, the Jewish-gentile IQ gap tends to pertain to verbal IQ and not so much to spatial intelligence. It is the latter that would be more crucial to the hard sciences for which MIT and Caltech are known, which I think explains why Jews don’t tend to gravitate to those schools.

    These observations notwithstanding, I tend to agree that Jews are over-represented in particular fields such as media and finance in substantial part due to ethnic networking. Jews appear to be much more tribal than other ethnic groups, to the point of collective narcissism (God’s chosen?), and their grip over the United States has much more to do with how they use their intelligence and wealth in a united fashion to advance what they perceive to be the interests of the Tribe. To be sure, it wasn’t Jewish IQ that got Netanyahu 29 standing ovations from congress.

  16. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @Mario Partisan

    Thank you to Mr. Unz for publishing this article.

    It seems to me that after controlling for both IQ and location, the degree of Jewish over-representation in the elite east coast schools is not as nefarious as it might initially appear.

    I offered a counter-argument to this point, which Andrew Gelman and Nathan Cofnas had made as well:

    Cofnas 和 Gelman 都一直强调地理是哈佛、耶鲁等大学中犹太人比例过高的主要解释之一。

    但他们似乎没有考虑到,Haredi 社区几乎完全位于东北部,目前他们约占美国犹太人口总数的 10%,因此他们约占东北部犹太人的 20%人口。
    [...]
    大多数美国哈雷迪犹太人居住在纽约大都市区。
    [...]
    Since Haredi Jews mostly don’t attend regular universities and pursue religious rather than intellectual/scientific studies, even though they are mostly based in “major urban centers”, at least 10% of the Jewish community, in the northeastern United States and in the United Kingdom likely closer to 20%, would not apply to elite universities, which makes the Jewish overrepresentation at the Ivy League, etc. even starker than Mr. Unz documented

    https://www.unz.com/article/judaism-as-a-group-evolutionary-strategy/#comment-2263615

    PS:

    乔丹·彼得森(Jordan Peterson)诚信的神话

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/the-myth-of-jordan-petersons-integrity.html

    存档的链接: http://archive.is/9ql3I

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#comment-2306008

    Ricardo Duchesne – 保守派守门人 Jordan Peterson、Steven Pinker 和 Jonathan Haidt

    来源: https://www.unz.com/article/what-the-alt-right-gets-wrong-about-jews/#comment-2257787

    • 同意: Mishra
    • 回复: @FKA Max
  17. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @FKA Max

    Peterson presents a case that Jewish IQ can explain all aspects of Jewish achievement and influence, using an estimate of Ashkenazi IQ in the 112–115 range (and using 115 in his calculations)—somewhat higher than Richard Lynn’s estimate of 110–112.

    沃克斯节‘s blog:

    John Fuerst of the Ulster Institute weighs in on the myth of the 115 mean IQ being pushed by Jordan Peterson, among others, with a pair of comments here:
    [...]
    There is year to year variability. But it is safe to say that on international math, reading, and science exams, Israeli Jews do no better than Whites in typical Western countries. Note, these figures exclude most Haredi Jews who both do rather poor on exams (see the Taub Center’s reports) and who are around 80% Ashk. Thus, the testing samples tend to be less Ashk than the general population, but the excluded Ashk are substantially less proficient than average.)

    Thus, as Vox notes, if one argues that Ashk Israeli come in at around 115, one has to maintain that non-Ashk Jews come in around 85. Yet, this latter conjecture is inconsistent with the variance among Jews (e.g., Figure 2, 2017 paper) and, more notably, the national scores at the 98th percentile (e.g., Figure 4, 2017 paper), a point which can be shown quantitatively. The relatively high standard deviation among Israeli Jews (about 93 versus the American White 83) does suggest subgroup differences, though.

    Of course, one could make ad hoc accounts for why Ashk Jews in Israel seemingly do worse that Ashk Jews in the U.S. and ad hoc accounts for why the meta-analytic American Jewish IQ is closer to 5 IQ points above the White mean than 15. But, at this point, we are just adding epicycles.
    [...]
    If the mean Jewish Israeli IQ is about 100 normed on a typical White sample, the mean Ashk Israeli IQ would seem to be about 106.
    [...]
    For the record, John Fuerst is a serious scholar in the field of human intelligence. He knows as much about this stuff as anyone else, and certainly more than the long-dead scholars who cherry-picked test results from first-graders more than sixty years ago.

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/mailvox-expert-witness.html 存档的链接: http://archive.is/wWiHY

    Another comment from John Fuerst in the comments thread of that blog post:

    Regarding Peterson, it is troubling that he would apparently cherry pick IQ scores and then take his estimate either as proof or very strong evidence of nonexistent Jewish ethnic networking and, worse, belittle those who disagree. In the case of ethnic and racial differences, one typically expects: (a) estimates based on systematic reviews (b) the establishment of a lack of significant psychometric bias (c) research showing IQ differences can statistically explain outcome differences (d) research showing that IQ differences can causally explain outcome differences e.g., using longitudinal data, (e) and, finally, evidence that IQ differences are not due to some sort of unfair social privilege of the previous generations. For example, despite knowing (a) to (d) in the case of the B/W US difference, I don’t rule out discrimination models. This is why we are acquiring genetic data to do a straight out admixture mapping study (to see if the association between IQ and African genetic ancestry is highest on regions associated with racial-phenotype, neural functioning, etc.).
    [...]
    This is why Peterson’s approach is so odd. He adopts a “race realist” argument, but then also SJW tactics and rhetoric. On some level, he must realize that the “Jewish Question” — that is, what to do when Jewish concern about ethnic group continuity and Jewish behavior to shape host cultures and politics to support their ethnos conflicts with gentile concern for ethnic group continuity — exposes the inhumanity of his anti-identity polemics. For were he consistent, he would have to denounce Jewish identity and identity politics. But since he can not bring himself to be so, he has to deny that Jews behave as an ethnic group. They are, for him, just high IQ gentiles with some funny habits — not a people with a strong ethnic identity, many of whom engage in identity politics out of the reasonable concern for group survival.

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/mailvox-expert-witness.html#c1375766171959444061

  18. You have to understand who Jordan Peterson is. He is a classical liberal with a smattering of intellect and common sense – and he’s gone public with it right in the heart of the lunatic hive of progressive SJW political correctness. He can accept that Joos may have higher presence on the high end of the IQ spectrum but bogs at the equally obvious data that pretty much explains the predominance of blacks on the lower end.

    The reason Jordan receives the recognition he does is that he is one of theirs – not one of ours. He is reaching and turning people that would dismiss cretins like Vox Day, Milo Yabbadabbadopolis and Cerno as fascists, haters, racists and other heretics rather than the idiots they are.

    I can see why the left would fall over themselves to burn him at the stake. But our response to him should be along the lines of “he’s another liberal that got mugged by reality…” And as far as liberals go these days… Jordan is a huge step up from the swine and scum that end of the political spectrum produces these days. Shut it, let the man run. He is an asset to us.

    • 回复: @Meimou
    , @hyperbola
    , @HamishH
    , @Anon
  19. Most people aren’t in an environment, such as academe, where Jewish people are prominent and assert their superiority over non-Jews. I got this from one of my dissertation directors who never ceased to tell me that as a non-Jew, I had grown up in an inferior environment and had inferior heritage, and that’s why I had to work so hard, where Jewish students had a much easier time because of their innate superiority. Of course, he was Jewish – secular, not religious – but what’s interesting is that none of his students were Jewish – in fact, he had none in his group and there were very few in the department as a whole. The Jewish people in that university tended to gravitate towards the soft sciences and the liberal arts, for some reason – perhaps arguing about doctrinal points in midrash in shul predisposed them towards those areas. Peterson is not a hard science guy, so a lot of his colleagues are probably Jewish. If he started talking about the “Jewish Question”, he’d be in a lot more trouble than he is already in, and I think he knows this, and so he avoids it entirely. He does a lot of good work and it should not be dismissed.

    • 回复: @utu
  20. utu 说:
    @streamfortyseven

    For some reason I do not believe you. I think you are making it all up. You are a troll or at best just utterly lost sleepwalking fool.

    • 回复: @streamfortyseven
  21. @utu

    Are you aware of any risky, novel predictions that the hypothesis makes? Or does it only explain what it was designed to explain making it a just-so story?

  22. Anonymous[392]• 免责声明 说:
    @(((They))) Live

    听起来像一厢情愿。

    He is just another Alex Jones which is useless. Glad you enjoyed his spundbites.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  23. Ron Unz 说:

    Well, given the topic under discussion, I’ll repeat my link to Richard Lynn’s ultra-comprehensive table of Jewish-American IQ samples, which really doesn’t support the IQ=115 “urban legend”:

    https://www.unz.com/book/richard_lynn__the-chosen-people/#t_141

    And I’ll also republish several important paragraphs from my long Meritocracy article, with all the results from WordSum, NLSY, and NMS datasets being fully consistent.

    这项结论得到了一般社会调查(GSS)的支持,该社会数据是最近0.71年以来成千上万的美国调查反馈的在线数据集,其中包括Wordsum词汇测试,这是一个非常有用的IQ代理,与109相关。 换算成相应的智商得分,犹太人的单词和智商确实很高,为104。但是英语,威尔士语,苏格兰语,瑞典语和天主教爱尔兰裔的美国人的平均智商也很高,为15或更高,并且他们的总人口犹太人的数量几乎是犹太人的1比67,这意味着即使我们排除了其余三分之二的美国白人,其中许多智商也很高,但他们将完全占据美国白人能力分布的上游。 此外,所有这些群体的城市化程度或富裕程度都没有犹太人低[XNUMX],这可能表明他们的分数在一定程度上仍然人为地压低了。 我们还应该记住,犹太人的智力表现往往偏颇,在语言子成分上格外强大,在数学上低得多,并且在视觉空间能力上完全中等。 因此,诸如Wordsum之类的完全面向语言的测试实际上会夸大犹太人的智商。

    根据宗教信仰对美国白人人口进行分层得出类似的结论。 对《美国国家青年纵向调查》的数据进行的分析发现,在圣公会教堂长大的美国人的平均智商实际上超过了犹太人,而其他几个宗教类别的犹太人的智商却非常接近,从而导致了绝大多数美国高能力白人人口具有非犹太背景。[68]

    鉴于涉及的统计样本数量巨大,最近的NMS半决赛选手名单的证据似乎是最确定的。 如前所述,这些学生的学术能力大约是最高的0.5%,应该是常春藤大学和美国其他最顶尖的学术大学入学的16,000名高中毕业生。 在加利福尼亚州,白人外邦人的名字比犹太人的名字多8比1; 在得克萨斯州,超过20比1; 在佛罗里达州和伊利诺伊州,大约是9比1。 即使在美国人口最多的犹太州纽约,每个犹太人中也有两名以上的高能力白人外籍学生。 根据美国人口的总体分布,似乎美国能力最强的学生中约有65-70%是非犹太人白人,是犹太人总数(6%以下)的十倍多。

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#p_7_10

    This Jordan Peterson fellow will start paying attention to this important data, though I’m not exactly holding my breath…

  24. Wally 说:
    @Bragadocious

    麦克唐纳说:
    “culminating in the Holocaust”

    Which is pure, easily debunked fakery. The same ‘6M’ crap they have tried since at least 1823.

    Bragadocious said:
    For a smart race of people, sometimes they seem very shallow.

    Smart? Really?
    If Jews were really so smart they would have conjured up a better, more believable story than what they laughably claim for their impossibly fake & stupid ‘6,000,000’.

    只有撒谎者才要求审查制度。

    “ 6万犹太人,5万其他犹太人和毒气室”在科学上是不可能的欺诈行为。
    请参阅此处揭穿的“大屠杀”骗局: http://codoh.com
    没有名字的呼唤,在这里进行公平的竞争环境辩论: http://forum.codoh.com

  25. @utu

    Nope, not making it up, it happened as I described it.

  26. Anonymous [AKA "halfjap"] 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Indeed, the real test will be whether he would reconsider his position and be public about it upon occasion, if and when he considers this vastly more comprehensive survey.

  27. mark green 说:

    This is another outstanding article by Kevin MacDonald on the world’s throniest subject.

    As for Jordan Peterson, his apparent inconsistencies and general disdain for honestly exploring MacDonald’s research and conclusions reminds us of two terrible truths:

    1) Jews are America’s foremost (and most feared) special interest group, and

    2) identifying them as such (and daring to criticize their impact on Western civilization) can be career-ending, if not life-ruining. So tread lightly, eh?

    Like President Trump (who is about to commemorate the move of America’s embassy in Israel to ‘disputed’ Jerusalem) Peterson understands that life at the top is far easier when one goes with the Jewish flow.

    With these conditions in mind, it’s clear that–for ambitious politicians and public intellectuals alike–honesty and integrity have their limits.

    • 同意: geokat62, Rurik
  28. j2 说:

    I see many problems in Peterson’s claims.

    1) If the average IQ of American Jews is 110-115 (which is in contradiction with their verbal IQ being in the range of 107-109 and their full IQ being lower than the verbal IQ), it does not follow that we can calculate the number of Jews over 145 by their measured average and their measured standard deviation. We would need to know that their IQ distribution is normal. Their verbal IQ distribution is not normal. It is heavily skewed. Such skewing most probably is a result of screening of Jews who moved to the States by IQ tests or selective immigration. As the distribution is strongly skewed with much less on the lower levels of IQ, it follows that the measured standard deviation shows the long tail to the low IQ side, while the high IQ side is not so long. (That is, cut off the below 100 part of the normal distribution around 100 and let the population grow for 2-4 generations, you get exactly average at 110-112 and skewed just like the verbal IQ scores of American Jews.) As this is the case, the Jewish portion of people over 145 is not as large as you would get if the distribution were normal.

    2) Even those, who accept that the American Jewish IQ can be taken as normally distributed with SD=15 (which I do not, it is not normal and that is why in Israel Ashkenazi IQ is 103.5), can show that Jewish share of accomplishments larger than IQ would suggest. The reason is simple: it is not only the IQ, you have to be in the correct place in the correct time. To get a Nobel in science, you have to do top research meaning that you must be working in some lab where they can do such top research and not herd sheep in some countryside. Even Nigeria with average IQ of 70 has enough people over IQ 150 to take all Nobel Prices if having IQ over 150 would be the only criteria. As Ron Unz showed, Jews are highly overrepresented as students in top universities, thus they are also overrepresented as professors who pick up the prizes. Simple as that, but this is in reality discrimination. It is not that their IQ is so much higher than that of the other whites.

    3) The “Jewish question” was a real question in the 19th century and not any conspiracy. It was a question pondered by Jews and others whether Jews should assimilate and lose their religion and ethnic identity, or form their own state. This problem arose because the Enlightenment and Freemasons were pushing for the New World Order, i.e., the American democracy, which tried to destroy the old world order (king, church, family), the aristocratic class society. Jews were a problem because they were king’s people, treated separately, king’s money lenders having privileges and restrictions. If king was gone, their position would have to change. They were holding monopoles on many things, that had to be changed in the New World Order of Enlightenment.
    An attempt to assimilate Jews resulted to the problem of en ethnic group using its own social networks, which means a kind of a mafia. This was the Jewish problem. The Jewish problem created Zionism. Zionism was sold to Western rulers as the only way to stop Jews from supporting Communism. Zionism started as a political movement using conspiracies to achieve its goals and it continues as one. This is not any conspiracy theory. There was the Freemason conspiracy, the Communist conspiracy and the Zionist conspiracy. Is there now a Jewish problem? Not the same, but there is Zionism, leftist political tendencies a bit similar to Communism, social networking. Not so much has changed.

    4) Ethnic nepotism exists. Infiltration is used as a way to gain power. Lobbying, bribing, threatening and all of the other classical methods are used. Propaganda in media exists. History is not told correctly. Only a very naive or dishonest person denies this.

  29. jbwilson24 说:

    Odd experience that you had. I had a Jewish PhD supervisor and a Jewish committee member. Neither of them ever mentioned anything like that. The PhD supervisor is great, love the guy to death. One of the most open, fun and fair guys you could hope to meet. If he thinks anything of that sort, he thinks it in private.

    Anyhow, Peterson is in way more trouble. He has been outed as participating in drafting UN documents that basically advocate for mass migration into the west.

    The guy tells whites not to have an identity, not to take pride in their culture, and to avoid nationalism… at the same time he is helping the UN to plan mass migration into western countries. Nice little scam.

  30. TheBoom 说:

    Peterson strikes me as the standard careerist one finds all the time in corporations. He has hit the big time but he knows that if he wants the good times to continue to roll he must keep the boss happy. Peterson is smart enough to know that he will be Daily Stormered from the main stage if he gets on the wrong side of the JQ. Peterson’s babbling about Jewish IQ and how whites can’t have any pride in their culture is just a way to adhere to Homer Simpsons 2nd most important rule of life: good idea boss.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @republic
  31. In my immodest opinion the present USA with regard to jews greatly resembles Germany from, say 1880, until Hitler’s power.
    However, there is a difference, in Germany there were just jews and ‘real’ Germans, the present USA is far more diversified.
    Nevertheless, jewish sociologist Stephen Steinlight fears the immigration from the south ‘they do not know about the holocaust, for them USA jews are just rich Americans’.
    I can recommend reading three books, all written by jews:
    ``从偏见到破坏'',雅各布·卡茨(Jacob Katz),1980年,剑桥,马萨诸塞州
    弗里兹·斯特恩(Fritz Stern),《金铁》,《 Bi斯麦,布列克劳德和德意志帝国的建筑》,纽约,1977年
    Ismar Schorsch,“犹太人对德国反犹太主义的反应,1870年-1914年”,纽约,1972年

    • 回复: @Wally
  32. CBTerry 说:

    “When Peterson begins to weep for our people, we can be assured he is a champion of truth.”

    The last thing I want to see is more of Peterson weeping.

    • 哈哈: Meimou
  33. Jordan Peterson strikes me as someone who objects in a wholesome way to political correctness on sexual matters but who is conceited enough to imagine that his opinion on everything is worth other people’s time. He probably hasn’t really considered any of MacDonald’s arguments.

    • 回复: @Anon
    , @CanSpeccy
  34. Yevardian 说:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    When he was just considered a charismatic motivational speaker demolishing simplistic leftist talking points, I didn’t mind him, and even found his lectures on the bible somewhat interesting, if hokey in a G.K Chesterton sort of way. But now he’s being considered as some sort of ‘deep thinker’ which patently he is not, his blasé ignorance in citing absolute rags like “共产主义黑皮书” whilst he entitles himself as an authority on modern history is especially atrocious.

    “Further, he notes that an increasing percentage of Jews come from the Orthodox, a group with relatively low IQ.”

    Could anyone elaborate on that? I thought it was the inadvertently eugenic (mentally, that is) Orthodox/Talmudic lifestyle patterns were responsible for the IQ gap in the first place.

    • 回复: @Achmed E. Newman
  35. Huh 说:
    @Anonymous

    Yes I’m sure you got rejected because of Jews, it couldn’t possibly be that you just aren’t smart or qualified enough. Christ, you cretins are just like like lefties, nothing is your fault and it can all be explained by saying that “they” control everything.

    • 回复: @utu
    , @AndrewR
  36. iffen 说:

    These were characterized by strong tendencies toward authoritarianism, with the rabbi literally having life-and-death power over his group.

    If there had been a Holocaust, this would have been an invaluable tool that could have been exploited by the perpetrators, I mean, if there had been any perps.

  37. Anonymous[989]• 免责声明 说:
    @Anonymous

    The same goes for Alex Jones. Just like JP, he’s got his limits. Just like JP, he successfully redpills a lot of people and puts them on the right path.

    The trick is to realise when you’ve hit the limits of any given source.

  38. OMG 说:

    At Harvard they are quite blatant about it.

    A good friend of mine attended Harvard (Dana-Farber) as a medical post-doc. He did some significant research work thus helping to promote his own (Jewish) boss. The Department Head (also Jewish), with whom he became quite friendly, also was pleased with his work but advised him not to apply for a permanent position. He advised that ‘you will never get a Professorship because you are not Jewish’.

    这是30年前的事了。

  39. utu 说:
    @Huh

    While it is hard to prove cases like that individually statistics indicate that case like that must exist.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/forward-is-jordan-peterson-enabling-jew-hatred/#comment-2328798

    For example, in 1999 Princeton discovered that its Jewish enrollment had declined to just 500 percent of parity, down from more than 700 percent in the mid-1980s

    During these same years, non-Jewish white enrollment across the entire Ivy League had dropped by roughly 50 percent

  40. utu 说:
    @CBTerry

    He has high-strung personality that can be easily unhinged. I watched one or two lectures by him and realized that if I were his student I would not put up with his authoritarian intensity that can’t tolerate challenge so he does not leave room for challenge.

    There is a video of him where he talks about hm being on anti-depressants (SSRI and Wellbutrin) and his face is puffed up from either side effects or drinking.

    As far as him being intellectual he is rather a shallow pop version. There is no depth in him. And his alleged high IQ (in e excess of 150 as he said himself) , I do not see evidence of it in his rather mediocre articulateness and not very rich or skillful use of vocabulary.

    He also said that his quantitative part of GRE was 70-75% which is not congruent with his high IQ and also not congruent with his belief that there is a singular factor (g-factor) behind intelligence. In his case apparently the same singular factor makes him super intelligent verbally and just mediocre on quantitative part.

    I have heard he got first exposure in media on Breitbart like Canadian radio (a strictly Jewish necoco operation) where he was welcomed because his views on immigration of Muslims. He know on which side the bread is buttered.

  41. geokat62 说:

    Great article by Prof. MacDonald. But rather than getting bogged down in the weeds regarding Jewish IQ and overrepresentation, I think it behooves 愚蠢的Goyim to focus on key finding of Prof. MacDonald’s scholarship, namely:

    The main motivation for the Jewish intellectual movements discussed in The Culture of Critique was the utility of these movements in combating anti-Semitism…

    The problem is that the Jewish elite have not adopted positions that are in the interest of the traditional European-derived peoples of the West and their cultures, particularly with respect to immigration and multiculturalism — an effort that continues into the present and characterizes the entire organized Jewish community.

    As I’ve noted previously, the number one issue for organized Jewry living in The Diaspora was, is, and will be COMBATTING ANTISEMITISM.

    This, ultimately, was the justification given for establishing a Jewish state. Theodor Herzl, the father of Zionism, resigned himself to the fact that since antisemitism could not be defeated, Jews should establish a state of their own so they could “live like normal people.”

    Well, it took a bit a time but organized Jewry finally perfected the secret recipe for defeating antisemitism: advocate policies that promoted mass immigration combined with widespread miscegenation. While these two forces in isolation represent a dangerous threat, combined they are lethal.

    In CofC, Prof. MacDonald clearly shows how organized Jewry doggedly implemented these policies by ensuring that Cultural Marxism marched its way through our institutions, weakening the immune system of host societies to be attacked by these deadly viruses.

    We should be grateful to the scholarship of Prof. MacDonald, especially for alerting 愚蠢的Goyim to the fact that organized Jewry have been stealthily waging a war against us to defeat antisemitism.

    Armed with the ideology of Cultural Marxism, these organizations have opened the doors to mass immigration and the promotion of miscegenation. I’m thinking of the work of the 52 major Jewish organizations in the US and George Soros’ Open Society Foundation. These organizations were pivotal in ensuring the Hart Cellar Act got passed in 1965 and that European countries opened their doors to mass immigration after WWII.

    现在是时候了 愚蠢的Goyim recognize the gravity of this situation- that an ethnic war has been clandestinely declared against us – and that we do everything in our power to fight this war for survival.

    其他一切都只是噪音。

    • 回复: @iffen
  42. Meimou 说:
    @Glenfilthie

    1. There is evidence that he is controlled opposition: deplatforming Faith Goldie and telling whites not to stand up for themselves should tell us all we need to know. 任何人 who discourages white identity should be seen as an enemy

    Transcripts from VDs darkstream.
    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/05/the-dog-whistler.html?m=1

    2. Why do you believe that the very intelligent Vod Day is an idiot?

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  43. Dan Hayes 说:
    @CBTerry

    CBTerry,

    Peterson’s disturbing performance in the video clip is truly unhinged.

    If he acted like this in the NYC subway system the gendarmes would carry him off to Bellevue for observation.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  44. Anonymous[392]• 免责声明 说:
    @TheBoom

    这个!

    Jordan Peterson showed “bravery” in only the most superficial of ways. He is just a careerist making a shrewd move.

  45. Anonymouse 说:

    If jews displayed group interest favoritism towards other unrelated jews (aside nepotism which is ubiquitous), it would be visible in the real world. As an 84 year old American jew I have never seen a hair of evidence for that proposition in childhood, in high school, at college and afterwards.

    • 回复: @Moi
  46. Anonymous[392]• 免责声明 说:
    @Ron Unz

    @罗恩·恩兹(Ron Unz)

    I think one thing that hasn’t been mentioned is how JP got so popular. I think the main thing that vaulted him over the top was his appearance on the Joe Rogan Podcast.

    Unz, I would love to see you on this show. If you can reach out to him please do so and talk about the main subjects you have written on.

    It would vault your profile to a whole nother level.

  47. nickels 说:

    Strange how a people who are genetic Europeans have an IQ higher than Europeans.

    Jewishness is a theological construct.
    To understand the Jewish question there is only E Michael Jones.

  48. an issue that has gotten the attention of some of the most celebrated thinkers in Western history

    笑。

    In the West, failure to acknowledge group interests is suicidal for its traditional European-derived populations. As a result of the imposition of massive non-White immigration and multiculturalism by elites unresponsive to popular attitudes, the traditional populations of these societies are slated to become minorities

    Huh? European-Americans will be the majority for the foreseeable future. Or do you think that Spain is not a country in Europe?

    Already in the U.S. the non-White voting share of the Democrat Party is 44%

    Ah, I see. Why do you lie about “European-derived” culture then? Surely Hispanics are a European derived culture. Just say you hate brown people and you don’t have to do this stupid dance.

    Anyway, the rest of this article is the usual bullshit. Congrats to Ron Unz and his continued support of white nationalism and conspiracy theorists. Quite a legacy.

  49. iffen 说:
    @geokat62

    As I’ve noted previously, the number one issue for organized Jewry living in The Diaspora was, is, and will be COMBATTING ANTISEMITISM.

    Considering what happened the last time anti-Semitism got way out of hand, I’m not sure I can blame them all that much.

  50. Jake 说:

    Jews network far more ruthlessly than any other group. Well, of groups that are seen as Caucasian. Chinese and Indians also network ruthlessly, as do blacks (who need the brain power of Jews and white Gentile Liberals to make black networking a success). Moslems network, some nationalities as ruthlessly as Jews. Gays network ruthlessly.

    If you are Italian or Polish or Irish or Scots-Irish southerner or Czech or (God forbid) Russian, and you try to network, those who see themselves as WASP Elite will ally with Jews to blow you out of the water, because only a racist would even think of something so unfair to non-whites.

    That – and not Jewish IQ in the stratosphere – is how Jews came to totally dominate things like university Poli Sci, History, English, and Journalism departments, as well as Law and Med schools.

  51. Joe Hide 说:

    I like Peterson’s and McDonald’s work. Nobody is perfect, but both authors offer out of the box thinking which creates mental exercise which improves my thinking. The trick is to just listen and not memorize concepts
    It’s like good classical music, dont try to figure it out, just listen. Then later self examine to see if you become better for it.
    You know, you could do a lot worse than Peterson or McDonald, you could be listening to CNN

    • 回复: @Achmed E. Newman
  52. @Mario Partisan

    Mario Partisan intelligently & rather humorously banged home the winning run, having emphasized: “To be sure, it wasn’t Jewish IQ that got Netanyahu 29 standing ovations from congress.”

    Extraordinary thought, deserving of an ovation, including the (non-pampered) hands of Kevin McDonald. Thank you, Mario Partisan!

    P.S.: As a dumb goyim Scranton School District-bus driver I would not want to be inside Jordan Peterson’s Bruno Mali shoes after Professor McDonald issued this lesson: “Peterson bows down to the ‘powers that be’ and has grown wealthy in the Process.”

  53. republic 说:
    @TheBoom

    Regarding the Jewish Question, I recently discovered a brilliant French writer,Henre Ryssen,
    Who has written many works on this subject but is almost totally unknown in the English
    Speaking world.
    He is currently facing imprisonment in France due to hate speech laws. Here is a rare dubbed video of him speaking:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWHAYRq21WQ

    His book in English “Understanding the Jews, Understanding Antisemitism”

    http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=00292918650653977321

    amazon is out of print, paperback copy $788!

    Herve Ryssen’s latest documentary, on the role of Hollywood in demonizing Christianity and Western culture. English/French (Satan in Hollywood)

    https://archive.org/details/SatanHollywoodHervvRyssen

    https://rutube.ru/video/b40a714aff86cb20e0ea62a710a90155/

    • 回复: @DFH
    , @AaronB
    , @TheBoom
  54. AndrewR 说:
    @Huh

    While, obviously, Fuddu almost certainly couldn’t prove that Hebrew Hegemony was a factor in his rejection, the preponderance of evidence strongly points to ethnic favoritism among Jews being extremely common. As Jews themselves love to remind us, job applicants with “black-sounding names” are less likely to get an interview at many companies than candidates with “white-sounding names,” even with identical resumes. So there’s every reason to think that many Jews prefer applicants with Jewish-sounding names over applicants with goyish names. That is probably even more true if interviews of the applicants have been conducted.

  55. @CBTerry

    Man, just turn off the webcam. If I were trying to be this dramatic though, I would just get 1 or 2 hours of sleep and have the interviewer wake me up in the middle of a nightmare about the Hildabeast…. oh, and slice up some fresh onions just before getting in front of the camera. That’s what this looks like – or he had a sneeze coming and it wouldn’t come out …

  56. DFH 说:
    @republic

    Now I have to watch the video just to find out why there’s a picture of George Eliot in the thumb

  57. @Joe Hide

    商定

    You know, you could do a lot worse than Peterson or McDonald, you could be listening to CNN.

    是啊, if one has a choice.

  58. Anonymous[196]• 免责声明 说:
    @Dan Hayes

    This makes heavyweight boxer Oliver McCall’s breaking down in tears during the second round rematch fight with Lewis (he KO’d Lewis in previous fight) seem downright normal.

    I’ve only watched a few videos of Peterson but I’ve never seen him smile, light-heartedly joke, be witty or clever, etc.

    • 同意: Dan Hayes
  59. @iffen

    As I’ve noted previously, the number one issue for organized Jewry living in The Diaspora was, is, and will be COMBATTING ANTISEMITISM.

    Considering what happened the last time anti-Semitism got way out of hand, I’m not sure I can blame them all that much.

    I told this personal anecdote in a post a couple days ago, but I think it is appropriate to tell it again as an illustration of the way Jews “combat” anti-semitism.

    When I was in graduate school on the east coast I worked for my department as a graduate student instructor, teaching introductory economics courses. One day, a student of my office mate came in to receive tutoring from him, but he wasn’t in the office. Rather than have the student go away empty handed, I decided I would tutor her. Keep in mind, as I was not her instructor, I had no obligation to do so, but I was being nice. After I had successfully assisted her in understanding the material, I wished her success on her final exam and an enjoyable “Christmas break.” At that moment, the student revealed that she was Jewish, and demanded an apology from me for saying “Christmas break.” I was flabbergasted, and refused to apologize, as I had just done this ingrate a favor. Of course, my refusal to apologize simply escalated the situation, and she threatened to go to the department and say that I was an “anti-semite.” I replied, “Let’s go together right now. You tell your side, and I’ll explain how I’ve been kind and generous to you, and we will see what the department has to say. But you are not going to slander me behind my back.” She stormed out of the room and nothing came of the incident.

    Mr. Sailer put up a blog post yesterday related to an article in the Jewish Forward that more or less smears Mr. Peterson as an “anti-semite.” The image at the top of the article at the Forward website juxtaposes an image of Mr. Peterson with an image of Hitler (very subtle). And what has Mr. Peterson done to provoke this association? He has 辩护 Jews against accusations of ethnic networking by seeking to explain their success as a function of their relative intelligence.

    It seems to me that Jews have largely failed to get the message of two simple proverbs/fables: 1) You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar; 2) the story of the “Boy who Cried Wolf.”

    Jews, by and large, don’t seem to understand that the more they accuse others of being “anti-semites,” the less people will be inclined to take their accusations seriously And that is even truer when they are using that term against people who are defending them or doing them favors.

    Moreover, if Jews genuinely feared persecution at the hands of the goyim, they would realize that their best approach is to treat us with 仁慈. People don’t seek to oppress others who have been good to them. This is basic human psychology.

    How do you explain an undergraduate threatening their (free) tutor, with a potentially career-destroying accusation, over such a trivial issue like saying “Merry Christmas?” This isn’t the behavior of a person who is afraid, but rather the behavior of a person who knows they have 没什么 to fear.

    Jews may like to deceive themselves with notions that they are “combating anti-semitism,” but that is not what these examples illustrate. Rather, they are illustrative of a group of people who realize, consciously or subconsciously, the power that they have and who derive an almost sadistic pleasure from wielding it.

    “Anti-semite” has become a weaponized slur. It no longer means “a person who hates Jews,” but instead “a person who Jews hate.”

    • 同意: Stan d Mute
    • 回复: @Bill TotenWeiss
  60. AaronB 说:
    @republic

    Interesting books. Available as pdfs off Google, btw.

    The author suggests that Jews thrive off the hatred they create among others.

    The key thing is to neutralize them – to not be affected by them – without hating them as hatred fuels them.

    The best way is to view them as victims if a mental illness. This renders them ineffectual – without creating animosity.

    By refusing to take anything they say seriously but showing them love and pity, one may even “cure” some individual Jews.

    This strikes me as highly persuasive – I think hatred of Jews implies taking them “seriously” – which is in a way precisely what Jews want more than to be loved – and that taking them “seriously” is ultimately an ineffectual way to neutralize them and render them ineffectual.

    I know quite a few of the “betserker” Jews Ron refers to, and I have found the one thing that reliably infuriates them – and neutralizes them – is not taking them “seriously”. Anger, hatred, condemnation, they do not mind. They like it.

    A smile, or a shrug, is infinitely more devastating to them than anger or hatred or persecution.

    To this end, we should avoid cultivating the mindset that Jews are responsible for their actions and are to be fought and hated, because this is actually what thru want.

    Instead, we should cultivate the mindset that they are victims of an illness – not to be taken seriously on any level, but not to be hated, and not to be angry with.

    I really think this mindset is a far more effective way to deal with the JQ than the understandably high levels of anger, that understandably spills over into hatred, that the alt right currently cultivates towards Jews.

    To “not take seriously” is to disarm an opponent in a far more devastating manner than to attack him.

    • 回复: @republic
    , @TelfoedJohn
  61. @iffen

    Considering what happened the last time anti-Semitism got way out of hand, I’m not sure I can blame them all that much.

    Problem is that the murderous anti-Semitism of the Nazis came about because of the mass murder triggered by the anti-Gentilism of the Jewish Bolsheviks.

    Today anti-Gentilism of far too many Jews has resulted in the multicultural dystopias of previously stable European nations and people.

    Anti-Semitism is the result of Anti-Gentilism–and, in fairness, vice versa.

    仇恨产生仇恨。

    But Jews are not always the victims, and have often have been the murderers, despite the attempt by too many book burners to bury this despicable history along with their victims.

  62. Rurik 说:
    @iffen

    Considering what happened the last time anti-Semitism got way out of hand, I’m not sure I can blame them all that much.

    as has been pointed out, you’re putting the cart before the horse here.

    The Holodomor came before 大屠杀

    Jews insistence that Gentiles suffer and die = is the cause of anti-Semitism.

    Were there no Zionism (terror, murder and genocide) in Palestine, there’d be no anti-Semitism.

    If Jews weren’t promoting genocide in Europe and N. America, (not to mention Eternal War and cultural sewage) there’d be very little ‘anti-Semitism to speak of.

    行动有后果

    • 回复: @Stan d Mute
    , @iffen
  63. @Ron Unz

    I have always been impressed that it took a Jewish writer (Ron Unz) to write an article presenting compelling data not particularly favorable to the meme of overwhelming Jewish intellectual superiority.

    Why couldn’t Jordan Peterson have done his homework before spouting off on a subject he knows very little about?

    Better yet, why couldn’t he have done the hard work necessary to investigate this important issue in the first place and exploded the myth of American meritocracy?

    It took a Jewish writer to point out that the Gentiles and the Asians are being screwed.

    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @Rosie
  64. @Mario Partisan

    Jews, by and large, don’t seem to understand that the more they accuse others of being “anti-semites,” the less people will be inclined to take their accusations seriously

    Um, this very website is filled with antisemites. The author of this piece apparently believes the stupid “white genocide” conspiracy theory.

    But I’m sure your “Merry Christmas” anecdote must seem really convincing.

  65. Sam Shama 说:

    There are only two places from which any writer might shape her product: Dogma or Prejudice. Proposing an article pristinely different is a mere delusion. [That’s a paraphrase of Chesterton].

    I write from prejudice. The author of this piece mixes the two rather well; one doubts he gainsays.

    I have often said that it would not matter that Jews are an elite if they had the same interests as the traditional peoples and cultures of the societies they live in.

    A clear definition of the traditional peoples and cultures are required here. I’ll be content, in fact sufficiently so, if the author cared to define it for the Americas.

    What are the interests of Americans? [Let’s concede the Cherokees et al are a case of arriver comme un cheveu sur la soupe, for the purposes of convenient discussion here; but, whatever.] What have been the demonstrated actions of America, say since circa 1783, 1782, 1812, 1846, etc, etc?

    Given their high IQ and other traits and proclivities (including ethnic networking), they are bound to be successful in Western-type societies.

    First, as Ron Unz has pointed out on more than one occasion, Jewish average IQ is really not all that different from those sported by a number of other groups. If cognitive enterprise demands appropriate agents, it is only natural that members of a particular group would find it easier to identify candidates from amongst their own. Think of the Chinese, the Japanese, the English and the Mormons. Yet quality may not be compromised for that spells failure, eventually. Finally, Jews have had their share of successes and failures all over the globe, not merely Western societies, and, like the Chinese and the English, have done well to keep a meticulous diary of experiences.

    The problem is that the Jewish elite have not adopted positions that are in the interest of the traditional European-derived peoples of the West and their cultures, particularly with respect to immigration and multiculturalism — an effort that continues into the present and characterizes the entire organized Jewish community. Peterson’s analysis is inadequate fundamentally because it ignores Jewish perceptions of their identity and how these perceptions intersect with Jewish involvement with the left in diaspora societies.

    Jews do not sit around a very large round table and decide that such-and-such enterprise is in the “interests of the ‘traditional European-derived peoples’ of the West”.

    Each enterprise must be evaluated on its own merits, not whether it suits a particular set of political interests [yes, yes, I know, AIPAC! The Lobby! But they are the unwelcome contrivances of a set of wealthy Jews and others, and, as such, highlight the flaws of our society. Have you the model for a better one?].

    The domains of “Social Good” and “Social Choice” are the children of the democratic vote, and since that is so, all instruments, including politicians, the voting outcomes, are the revealed preferences of the voting public, many of whom, in fact the majority, are the “European-derived peoples” [btw, is a person with a black father and a white mother considered “European-derived”? Or, shall we demand the one-drop rule?].

    Finally, I offer a personal observation, [and only that]: Jews, I believe are endowed with a particularly strong sense of social justice and egalitarianism. This has been demonstrated time and again for every social movement here, as it has in Europe. It’s a bit of a shame that orthodoxy of religion appears to have trumped those inherent qualities in Israel. It will revert.

  66. @Anonymous

    Identities of university admissions committees are rarely made public. Where can I find the names of the UT-Austin admissions committee members?

    • 回复: @Mishra
  67. An antisemite these days is someone jews do not like because he or she says things jews do not like.

  68. @Bill TotenWeiss

    Um, this very website is filled with antisemites.

    But, Bill, doesn’t “antisemitic” pretty much define the entire world outside Tel Aviv?

    Hey, could you do some Academy-award-winning suffering for us? Like, just off the cuff? You know how antisemites have such short-term memories. Freshen it up for us, Bill.

  69. republic 说:
    @AaronB

    Quotes from that book, Understanding the Jews,

    Judaism is…essentially a universalist political project, the objective of which is the unification of the world.

    contrary to Christianity or Islam, the Jews do not intent to convert others to Judaism, but rather to
    persuade them to renounce their religion their race, their identity, their family and all their traditions
    in the name of “Humanity,” and “Human rights.”

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @Anonymous
    , @anon
  70. AaronB 说:
    @lavoisier

    Ron Unz is a righteous Jew 🙂

    Jewish upbringing undoubtedly cultivates moral passion and fervour, except of a very twisted and perverted sort. But occasionally it finds the true path of genuine morality. I have been trying – with almost no success – to persuade whites of the immense importance and power of recovering the moral dimension, the loss of which is the primary source of white apathy and weakness. (It is no accident that “morale” is very similar to “moral”)

    Race-realism, while necessary, if divorced from a moral dimension, is not the solution to white problem s – race-realism within the context of morality is.

    Nothing great can be accomplished in this world without moral passion. The Victorians knew this.

  71. @AaronB

    Well, maybe. Nietzsche said “One does not kill by anger but by laughter.”

    But I haven’t seen many examples of this approach towards Jews.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  72. Peterson is just an academic Tony Robbins. His expertise is clinical psychology, not anthropology, not genomics, not social psychology. That he’s a standard issue ostrich on HBD there has been no doubt since his emergence as a public figure. He “debated” Molyneux on YouTube a few years ago and his responses on HBD intelligence were indistinguishable from Hillary Clinton’s.

    He’s like Pinker. Take him for the bits of Truth he does utter and mock him relentlessly for his willful stupidity when he exposes it. He has an ego the size of Canada with a truth ethic every bit as impressive as Canada’s Defence Farce. He’s also a real internet tough guy which is hilarious as hell.

    • 同意: manorchurch
  73. @Yevardian

    Yevardian, I’ve heard of 共产主义黑皮书 which was a compilation of all all the misery and deaths due to Communism during the last century. Why do you maintain it’s a rag? (I’m just asking, as I haven’t read it).

    Mr. Peterson, in a video embedded by one of the commenters on a current iSteve thread, started out pretty good in discussing Communism, so I’m anxious to watch the rest of it too. Yeah, he’s gotten in over his head on this stuff, but why not just watch or read him for what you do want to get out of his words (on the scourge of feminism)? It’s like listening to U-2 music. You know Bono spouts out all kind of left-wing garbage about stuff that he doesn’t really understand, but then, when comes on, I still want to crank it up to 11. It doesn’t hurt that’s he’s got The Edge on guitar (wonder how that’s filled out his birth certificate?)

    • 回复: @Yevardian
  74. hyperbola 说:
    @Mario Partisan

    CalTech at least is also heavily infested with jewish traitors.

    诉讼说加州理工学院教务长和其他人忽略了以色列间谍
    以色列窃取了美国纳税人资助的科学技术。
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40722.htm

    ….According to the lawsuit, a small coterie of Caltech professors and administrators ignored Israeli spying and theft of taxpayer-funded U.S. technology and then retaliated against the professor for reporting it.

    Caltech Provost Edward Stolper, who has ties to Israel and received an honorary degree from one of its universities, seems to have been one of those leading the charge…..

    • 回复: @anon
  75. Moi 说:
    @Anonymouse

    You’re kidding, right? My work experience does not square with what you say.

  76. @Rurik

    行动有后果

    I love your pithiness bro. Try this: “Jews have Agency”

    I’m depressed that I’ve posted close to 200,000 words here. For what?

    • 回复: @Rurik
  77. hyperbola 说:
    @Glenfilthie

    Peterson is not a “liberal” – he is part of a corrupt, racist-supremacist, abusive, foreign sect. Peterson is a jewish psychologist that is peddling the same kind of crap that Freud foisted off on western countries.

    西格蒙德·弗洛伊德(Sigmund Freud),心理分析与西方战争
    “我们正在给他们带来瘟疫。”-西格蒙德·弗洛伊德(Sigmund Freud)在1909年前往美国的途中[1]
    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/12/24/sigmund-freud-psychoanalysis-and-the-war-on-the-west/
    …..犹太心理学家在促成这场文化大战中发挥了重要作用。 “在犹太人的影响下,美国心理学也变成了塔尔穆迪克式的……。它被视为反对基督教文化的武器。” [5]……。

    既是马克思主义者的杀手

    斯大林的犹太人
    我们一定不要忘记,现代最伟大的凶手都是犹太人
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    and the Frankfurt School of “cultural marxists” are just more manifestations of the same corrupt, racist-supremacist, abusive sect.

    政治上正确的英国的影响
    https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/gerald-warner-impact-of-politically-correct-britain-1-3128346

    ……。 政治上的正确性是文化马克思主义。 这个术语是由列宁的教育大师和喜爱的词匠史密斯(Anton Semyonovich Makarenko)创造的(他还发明了“无产阶级专政”一词)。 马克思主义者从一开始就认识到,实行极权主义社会控制涉及的不仅仅是生产,分配和交换手段的国有化。 1919年在匈牙利,共产党人贝拉·库恩(Bela Kun)短暂但杀人的独裁统治期间,他的副主席“文化委员会”格奥尔格·卢卡奇(Georg Lukacs)推出了一项“文化恐怖主义”计划,根据该计划,他对学童进行了色情性教育,促进了滥交谴责家庭,鼓励学生嘲弄父母和宗教信仰。 卢卡奇提出的问题是:“谁能拯救我们脱离西方文明?” 四年后,卢卡奇(Lukacs)是法兰克福社会研究所的创始人之一,从中诞生了如今被称为法兰克福学派马克思主义的ob废,致力于破坏文明。 时任导演的马克斯·霍克海默(Max Horkheimer)跟进卢卡奇的实验,将弗洛伊德主义嫁接到了马克思主义上。 紧随其后的是萨德侯爵(Marquis de Sade)的崇拜者赫伯特·马尔库塞(Herbert Marcuse),他表达了自己对“多态性变态”的信念。 葛兰西(Gramsci)和其他信徒(例如Adorno)的文化马克思主义对此予以补充。 不论法兰克福马克思主义者是否已经对命令经济作为一种经济手段持怀疑态度,他们的主要目标是“文化”……

  78. AaronB 说:
    @TelfoedJohn

    I have tried this approach in my personal life towards berserker Jews (Ron’s wonderful phrase) and it is literally the only thing that neutralizes them – it infuriates them, and leaves you smiling and at peace.

    Jews know that getting you angry, getting you in attack mode, is the first step to manipulating you – because you you are “engaged”.

    尼采是对的。

    • 回复: @Sean
    , @TelfoedJohn
  79. peterAUS 说:

    Just a brief comment for the author:

    令人失望。

    浏览了评论。
    A couple of quotes I agree with (my bold):

    I still maintain that it’s great this guy is around to enlighten young men (older ones have learned) on the evils of feminism. One can just ignore the rest of his opinions and just take the good advice.

    I especially like the part in which he explains succinctly that an individualist society is going to lose when getting mixed with a bunch of people from tribal societies, resulting in the loss of any type of individualist culture completely (which was the reason for the tribal-cultured people moving in to begin with – oh, the irony!)

    You have to understand who Jordan Peterson is. He is a classical liberal with a smattering of intellect and common sense – and he’s gone public with it

    ….our response to him should be along the lines of “he’s another liberal that got mugged by reality…” And as far as liberals go these days… Jordan is a huge step up from the swine and scum that end of the political spectrum produces these days. Shut it, let the man run. He is an asset to us.

    I like Peterson’s and McDonald’s work. Nobody is perfect, but both authors offer out of the box thinking which creates mental exercise…

    Jews, I believe are endowed with a particularly strong sense of social justice and egalitarianism. This has been demonstrated time and again for every social movement here, as it has in Europe. It’s a bit of a shame that orthodoxy of religion appears to have trumped those inherent qualities in Israel. It will revert.

    I am (obviously) not an intellectual, and especially not in related matters mentioned here.
    I do know, really, something about fighting, though.

    I guess there is a fight going on?

    So….if you get just in a street fight with a couple of thugs, would you object to a fellow from a crowd stepping in and helping you? And you know him: black homosexual.
    Or say, preppers, if you are defending a compound from an overwhelming force, would you object to a couple of guys in another compound providing some resemblance of support fire? And you know them: a group of militant Jews.

    Putin is, obviously, popular around here. As with Peterson, he does have some good points. One of them is, when in a deep shit, get any ally you can muster.

    There is a peculiar element on the “alternative” scene.
    Eating their own. Or, better, some, apparently, deep need to seek, what, perfection? Don’t know, can’t explain.
    But it is stupid, IMHO.

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @iffen
  80. @Bill TotenWeiss

    Um, this very website is filled with antisemites.

    What a non sequitur! When did I ever say there weren’t any anti-semites? My post was about how Jews often hurl the accusation of anti-semitism at those who have done nothing to demonstrate any anti-semitism.

    彼得森先生 辩护 Jews against the accusations of “anti-semites” and yet he gets juxtaposed with Hitler! Do you consider this to be an effective way to “combat” anti-semitism?

    But I’m sure your “Merry Christmas” anecdote must seem really convincing.

    Yeah, a personal experience like that tends to make an impression on a person.

    Never in my post did I tell Jews not to call out genuine anti-semites. My message was to reserve such accusations for those who deserve it, and to refrain from attacking those who don’t; good advice in my opinion. Somehow I’m not surprised that a guy who calls himself “TotenWeiss” would get defensive over some constructive criticism.

    • 同意: iffen
  81. @Anonymous

    It may help get in a masters program when you can use the proper verb of being in plural

    • 回复: @Neil Templeton
    , @c matt
  82. Sean 说:
    @AaronB

    According to Robin Dunbar, Viking Berserkers got killed early in life, but people were wary of picking on the brother of a Beserker, and as a result Beserker’s brothers got killed less than other men so it paid off for the total reproductive success of the family. The Plains Indians had a similar tradition of “war chiefs” who would never retreat in battle. It was only an attractive career path for the lowest-born warriors.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  83. Talha 说:
    @republic

    contrary to Christianity or Islam, the Jews do not intent to convert others to Judaism, but rather to persuade them to renounce their religion

    I once had a very interesting conversation in LAX with a rabbi that was on his way to a nation-wide rabbinical conference. It ranged from the whimsical (he claimed Jews taught our Prophet [pbuh] everything – it was almost the first thing he said in the conversation, a bit weird, but whatever – which I simply smiled off without getting into dragged into a debate [this definitely works, AaronB]) to the profound (what method do they use for spiritual rectification – to purify one’s ego from arrogance, envy, greed, etc.).

    He introduced me to the concept of Noahide Laws – the concept of which is that God has a specific requirement from the Children of Israel, but He only expects these minimum laws to be followed by everyone else:
    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/62221/jewish/The-7-Noahide-Laws-Universal-Morality.htm

    Apparently, He is not concerned with details when it comes to others.

    The laws seem fairly vanilla and easily definable except for #7 (Establish courts of law and ensure justice in our world.) – that seems to be a stickler. Who defines justice? How do we know it has been reached?

    The difficulty I have is in understanding how much activism is done from Jewish groups on behalf of things that are in complete violation of Law #6 on sexual morality. How is that squared?

    Of course there are plenty of SJWLGBTQ-Awesomeness Muslims too, but they are nowhere near the same, percentage-wise.

    和平:

  84. Dmitry 说:

    将犹太自由主义与开放性的人格特质联系起来是有问题的,因为自由主义并不是以色列犹太人的显着特征,因为左翼政党微乎其微。 梅雷茨的立场与主流民主党和工党政客相似,民调支持率约为 4%。 我意识到以色列人的平均智商低于美国的德系犹太人,但这肯定不能解释以色列犹太人普遍缺乏对自由主义的吸引力。

    I can only skim this.

    But article author shows a complete ignorance of Israel.

    The secular elite in Israel is very liberal under circumstances (of war with the Arab world inside and outside of its borders). This level of liberalism is reaching sometime suicidal levels.

    The working class and religious are more conservative.

    Ethnic relation to American Jews is also not so significant as the author seems to write – considering only around 30% of Israeli total population is from the same wider ethnic European group (and with a large cultural difference, as it is partly immigrants from non-Western parts of Europe – and with plenty of homo sovieticus mentality).

    • 回复: @Jo
  85. Talha 说:
    @peterAUS

    Eating their own. Or, better, some, apparently, deep need to seek, what, perfection? Don’t know, can’t explain.

    Too many generals, not enough soldiers…

    和平:

    • 回复: @iffen
  86. @AaronB

    Ok give me an example of this method in action – either from yourself or others.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  87. iffen 说:
    @Rurik

    I have no rebuttal for your, and your fellow travelers, argument that if there were no Jews there would be no anti-Semitism.

    • 回复: @lavoisier
  88. AaronB 说:
    @Sean

    That’s probably true when you’re fighting a determined foe with high morale. Berserk tactics are definitely not the ultimate in military skill.

    But if you’re fighting an apathetic foe with low morale, then berserk tactics can be overwhelming.

    Jewish berserk tactics would be completely ineffective in China or Japan – even counterproductive.

    I live in nyc and my work involves me with many Jews on a regular basis – I frequently see behavior from Jews that would get them physically beaten up in any normal society with a healthy sense of morals. A rage-filled tantrum is not tolerated by any group other than apathetic, demoralized whites. In the Philippines, you could go to jail for screaming at your employee while firing him.

    Whites have a twofold task before them – neutralize Jews, and recover their own morale and self-confidence through abandoning materialism.

    Beyond a certain point, the focus on Jews is counterproductive. It must be established once and for all that Jews suffer from a kind of mental illness, and then they must be sidelined. Beyond the initial burst of anger and outrage one feels when he finally learns the truth of Jewish behavior, it is counterproductive to continue cultivating anger towards Jews. That keeps you “engaged” with Jews – which is just where they want you.

    The real task is for whites to abandon materialism, dial back the Enlightenment, and all Jewish tactics will become ineffective.

    Back to the topic of the combat effectiveness of the berserker, throwing yourself entirely into combat without reserve, giving it your absolute all, is indeed an extremely effective psychological technique. The Japanese samurai trained themselves for this kind of heedless aggression – if you’ve ever watched Japanese films or tv, they have retained the ability to portray this mindset in modern times, at least on screen. It’s quite impressive – American aggressiveness, as seen on the screen, seems soft and unconvincing by comparison.

    Something akin to the berserker mentality, even if a softer version of it, has been essential to every warrior culture, and is probably essential to it

    • 回复: @Sean
    , @FKA Max
  89. Wally 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    Do any of the books you cited present proof of the alleged ‘holocaust’?

    如果是,那是什么?

    Or is this just more ‘We’re Zionists, we can say anything we wish and get away with it’.

    http://www.codoh.com

  90. Rurik 说:
    @Stan d Mute

    为了什么?

    I’ve got over a million.

    silence is cowardice, and even if we have zero effect, as least we can answer to our God or Gods that we weren’t silent. That we spoke out, at least given the method available to us, (with gratitude to Mr. Unz)

    perhaps it’s just cathartic, but pebbles often make ripples in the water

    干杯。

  91. Anonymous[572]• 免责声明 说:
    @Meimou

    Vox Day, like many commenters here who are disparaging Peterson, reminds me of a Never Trumper. You’re all suffering from Peterson Derangement Syndrome. Peterson is helping a lot of lost people with his advice, people who never learned life’s lessons or forgot them. Where else are they going to get help? From the hateful Left? Or, maybe, you all think you should be the saviors? Pathetic. Thank god for Peterson with his commonsense advice and his adversity to toxic feminism and political correctness. There is a great need in society that he is filling and it’s wonderful that he’s the one doing it. I don’t think most of his audience goes past his Internet Dad stuff. If his talks does get people to further investigate and question liberalism, Marxism, and Postmodernism, it’s all good.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @RudyM
  92. Wally 说:
    @Bill TotenWeiss

    “Um, this very website is filled with antisemites. ”

    How infantile that is.

    反犹太人的: 任何犹太人不喜欢的思想或人

    http://www.codoh.com

  93. iffen 说:
    @Talha

    Too many generals, not enough soldiers…

    C’mon Talha, don’t be afraid of the PC police. You know that should be, “Too many chiefs, not enough Indians.”

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @denk
  94. iffen 说:
    @peterAUS

    There is a peculiar element on the “alternative” scene.
    Eating their own. Or, better, some, apparently, deep need to seek, what, perfection?

    I don’t believe this is limited to the “alternative” scene. I think that it is normal for politics.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  95. AaronB 说:
    @TelfoedJohn

    You’ve identified someone as a Jew. You do not engage him in serious conversation on serious topics. You smile, give short answers, patronise.

    You treat him as someone with a mental illness, who is not able to be rational, without being too obvious about it.

    At no point do you emotionally or intellectually engage. His game is rigged – the whole point is to get you “involved”. You don’t play.

    很简单。

    Of course, if a particular Jew has proven himself, then you may treat him as an ordinary rational human being who is not suffering from a mental illness. (Although one must exercise caution here, as a common deception is to appear rational initially in order to gain credibility. Take time in giving trust, and never be afraid to rescind it in a moment)

    But in today’s reality, your starting presumption must be that you are dealing with someone who’s significantly mentally ill.

    This would require you to be “prejudiced”, and make an initial judgement based on ethnic identity (your judgement may be open to modification later).

    In other words, you cannot be too affected by Enlightenment ideals.

    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @Mishra
  96. Professor Kevin MacDonald on Jordan Peterson:

    彼得森向在此过程中变得富有的权力鞠躬。 他是那种像多元文化精英一样的“反叛者”,参与审查那些会揭露这些精英的力量以及他们对西方人民和文化的敌意的人。

    我说:

    Jordan Peterson has been groomed by shady elements in the corporate propaganda apparatus to stop young White people from gathering together — as Whites — in order to advance their own group interests.

    Jordan Peterson is the human equivalent of anti-White ideological libertarianism. Peterson’s function as a corporate media whore is to prevent young people of European Christian ancestry from fighting together to defend their people. The shady shysters in the corporate media that push Peterson want young White people to stay atomized and apart instead of organized and prepared to fight for their people.

    Jordan Peterson is an evil baby boomer Canadian who has admitted to drug use. Jordan Peterson should be asked the Sam Huntington questions by some young White person to see how he would respond. We know Peterson avoided a direct answer and stayed mum on the Jewish Question.

    Sam Huntington questions:

    Who are we as a nation? What are we fighting for?

    Ask Jordan Peterson what Canada is as a nation?

    Ask Jordan Peterson what Canada is fighting for?

  97. Jo 说:

    Dr. Jordan Peterson should view this short clip of G. Edward Griffin speaking with Yuri Bezmenov from the 1980s.

    I highly recommend all who haven’t listened to the entire interview to listen to it.

  98. AaronB 说:
    @AaronB

    This way you neutralize the threat without hate – Jews are convinced they are hated for their divine mission. And their cohesiveness depends on hate. Don’t feed into this.

    Hate also keeps you emotionally engaged, and is an implicit admission of the power of that which you hate.

    With regard to Jews, you want to neutralize their emotional power over you. The antidote is a wise indifference.

    Asians are very skilled at cutting a person down to size by ignoring. It’s a skill we must relearn.

    You can also always hold out the possibility of love, depending on good conduct.

    But to do all this, we must not be willing to debate everything. We must have values that are simply not open to debate. If someone tries to, you simply sideline them.

    Clearly, to do this we must be less “rational”, and less commuted to enlightenment ideals.

    • 回复: @Rosie
    , @Anonymous
  99. Jo 说:
    @Dmitry

    The ‘ethnic relation to ‘American’ Jews is tremendous because ‘American’ Jews have the economic clout. And where money talks bullshyte walks.
    And if the Jews from non-‘western’ (and by ‘western’ we mean former Christendom) nations who currently inhabit Palestine are of the ‘homo sovieticus mentality’ as you state, then you’ve shot yourself in the foot because the sovieticus mentality is Judaism which is Communism which is Judaism.
    As for this pseudo-scientific idea of “openness”: You wrote, “Linking Jewish liberalism to the personality trait of Openness is problematic because liberalism is not a notable characteristic of Jews”. As anyone who has looked at this problem for any period of time knows: Jews ALWAYS play the Balance of Terror game…or the Balance of Power game. Some Jews will play the conservative, orthodox role while others play the liberal, secular role (aka the “openness” role); otherwise the goy would catch on MUCH too quickly that anyone who professes Judaism professes a racial supremacist, political ideology which masquerades as a religion.
    All one needs do is read the Torah aka the Old Testament; it’s all in there in spades.

  100. Che Guava 说:

    the other Jews who get in.

    So, you are a Jew who didn’t get in?

    Srsly, I have friends who played at SWSX last year, they were having fun, but from what I read about Austin Texas, sure would not like to study there.

    What was your preferred field?

    Basket-weaving as an oppositional activity?

    Most (not all) master’s degrees are cheap in any case, just there for subsidised people, whether by govt. or family.

    Take a tough baccalaureate, study by yourself before, during, and after, then You don’ need no steenking master’s.

    The setting is mid-west, not Texas, but of the five or six De Lillo novels I have read, I only like two, one is 白噪声, very funny in many parts, esp. (not only) on U.S. academia.

    If you are really desperate for a ‘master’s degree’, consider studying overseas. Several universities in Japan, for example, offer ‘master’s’ programmes with instruction and assignments only in English.

  101. utu 说:

    OT: ‘Terrible massacre’: Israel kills 55, injures 2,771 Gaza protesters as US embassy opens in Jerusalem
    https://www.rt.com/news/426617-gaza-protests-embassy-jerusalem/

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  102. Sean 说:
    @AaronB

    Risky strategies like that are only adopted when they become necessary because one is losing and nothing else works. It is giving up advantages to go to a strategy that has long odds against it succeeding while there are less perilous courses of action to the same objective. If your ancesters went on as you are proposing we do you would not be here, rely on it.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  103. One thing is certain: one cannot critically and dispassionately analyze positive & negative traits and influences of American Jews, their identities & ties with Israel. MacDonald’s article is ~ 30% correct & true, while the rest is an amalgam of his projections, prejudices or simply ignorance.

    Most commenters, with just a few exceptions, are good, prospective candidates for loony bin.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  104. Santoculto 说:

    My bet is that cheknazis have higher cognitive diversity included obviously higher rates of anti-social personality and linked with collectivistic personalities. Astuteness may be used as, partly, an explanation to the current mega-jewish success in the west. Organized jewry use their ”leftists” against western host while it’s the norm in ”traditional” societies psycho-phenotypically different people be ostracized, excluded from broader or mainstream social circles.

    Traditional collectivism is a psychological mirroring of natural selection mechanisms: reduce phenotypical diversity and or increasing copies of current adaptative model. In harder enviroments, natural selection pressure, as ”we know”, increase, this reduce phenotypical diversity to the most successful adaptative model and also have huge outcomes to psychology because also increase phenotypical similarity = = collectivism. or not.

    It’s just like: the ”normal” ”war” between two groups is, put the strongest in the battle camp.

    But the intellectual/parasitic style war is often otherwise, put the physically weakest but intellectually capable in the battle camp, it’s a slow, corrosive macro-tactic.

    And they also exploit most of morally-missing points of the host, for example, the black slavery as a bad kharma for white-western masses and being hugely exploited against them.

    Higher rates of atheists [sometimes people who are not easily impressionable by religious norms or even any type of moral principle] also can be a factor to explain astute and evil jewish behavior [evil, not because about white guilty, but because they are exploiting it against whitey].

    Also ”emotional intelligence” may be a important factor, even because sociopaths tend to be emotionally smarter: enhanced cognitive empathy over affective.

  105. Talha 说:
    @iffen

    LOL! Actually – I had only been familiar with the general/soldiers version, but that works too…

    Also – too many imams and not enough muqtadis…

    和平:

  106. norm741 说:

    Peterson is nor {BRAVE? STUPID?} enough to go against the power of JEWS,

  107. AaronB 说:
    @Sean

    I’m not sure we’re talking about the same thing.

    What I’m saying is that once you’re in a battle, the correct way to fight it is to give your all, without holding back, without reserve. This is also the best way to start a business, or study for university.

    I feel like we’ve lost this in the West.

    Of course, strategy is very important too. I’m not saying one should abandon strategy and blindly lash out.

    But a certain berserker-like ferocity is essential, once the battle commences.

    All successful cultures have that quality. Of course, it’s incompatible with being a reasonable materialist – but such cultures don’t survive.

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @manorchurch
  108. peterAUS 说:
    @iffen

    Reply is for Talha and you.

    I don’t believe this is limited to the “alternative” scene. I think that it is normal for politics.

    You are correct and you are wrong.

    Correct because that is reality in “blabbing” sphere. 不相关的.
    Granted, helps dealing with reality on a personal level, but that’s it.

    Wrong because it’s never going to make any difference in the real world.

    I’ll use examples from overthrowing communist regimes in Eastern Europe by nationalists. I guess that makes sense, doesn’t it?

    When hard core nationalists felt the time was right they forged coalitions with anybody willing to go against the regime at the time. 任何人.
    They didn’t mind taking into the movement ex-Communist aparatchiks, ex/current military personnel, (lo and behold) ex-current state security people (the very people who actually imprisoned them years before…..), etc……etc….
    他们 韩元.

    就那么简单。

    What “alternative” is doing as we speak is not going to make any difference.
    It will, maybe, start getting some chance of having a shot at making a difference when start embracing anyone willing to challenge the current System. Anyone.
    Jordan Peterson is a mild example of such people.

    Won’t happen during my lifetime I guess.
    可能是错的。
    Hope and such….3/97 probability.

    • 回复: @iffen
  109. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @AaronB

    The real task is for whites to abandon materialism, dial back the Enlightenment, and all Jewish tactics will become ineffective.

    Keynes predicted the break-free point to be 2020. Jordan Peterson might (have) delay(ed) it by 5 to 10 years:

    But I don’t find it all that easy to give Keynes a pass. His dislike of Jews was somewhat central to how he understood economics.

    Keynes had this idea that Jews had brought the idea of longing for immortality to Pagan Europe. He saw that longing as positive but felt that many Jews distorted it into a longing for money. He thought that the Jews influenced the rest of Europe to love money too much and that had ruined much of European civilization. Keynes believed that by 2020, European civilization would have gotten past its Jewish-inspired love of money and would focus on other things.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2009/01/some_problems_with_keynes.html

    • 回复: @AaronB
  110. peterAUS 说:
    @utu

    Seen that.
    Don’t quite understand it, from pure tactical point of view.

    Probably some people closer to the ground there could enlighten us.
    I get the mass of people willing to risk their lives to “go through”. Reminds me on Erdogan supporters advancing on that bridge. Or Ukrainians advancing behind those shields into the fire. I don’t doubt that Palestinians there did have such people.
    But…..why shooting them down like that? Live ammo etc? With all means at the disposal by security forces there. No need I think. Just no need.

    Rocks/stones from a powerful slingshots? Still, no (tactical) need for live ammo in return. Especially, again, taking resources at Israeli disposal.

    Sending a message?
    What message that would be? Yes, I know what, but, again, simply doesn’t make any sense.

    The only sense I can see is:
    There were firearms in the crowd. Or, better, there was incoming live fire on Israeli security services.

    Or……….as Col. Lang did point out in that article, perhaps just a break of discipline there.
    I’d go for , 眼下。

    If….if correct, well, that does open some interesting scenarios and possibilities.

    有趣的时代。

    • 回复: @utu
  111. AaronB 说:
    @FKA Max

    Interesting, I didn’t know Keynes was that prescient. He seems to have come remarkably close. Keynes was very spiritual in his own way, rare for an economist.

    The real problem is the Enlightenment and rationalism. When higher goals are missing, it’s easy to get seduced by money.

  112. Talha 说:
    @AaronB

    I’m not saying one should abandon strategy and blindly lash out. But a certain berserker-like ferocity is essential, once the battle commences. All successful cultures have that quality.

    极好的建议。

    I remember reading the dispatches Khalid ibn Walid (ra) sent to his counterpart generals on the Sassanid side…they went something along the lines of; accept terms and lay down your arms or I will send men against you who love to fight and die in the path of God as your men love wine and women.

    Now, this may have simply been him being edgy to force a surrender without having to fight, but if the Battle of Qadissiyah is any indication – he was quite serious:

    和平:

    • 回复: @AaronB
  113. utu 说:

    But Jews see it another way. They won. Little David (or rather Milton) defeated this anti-semite:

    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/134072/on-john-maynard-keynes-130th-birthday
    Whichever way you choose to read Keynes’ anti-Semitism, the Jews had their revenge on Keynes. In the late 1970s, due to a market crash and a national turn to conservatism and later, the rise of Reaganism and Thatcherism, Milton Friedman came to overshadow Keynes. The 5’2″ son of Jewish immigrant merchants, Friedman started the Chicago School of Economics and served on Reagen’s Economic Policy Advisory Board.

    Here Keynes about Einstein and Berlin:

    He is a naughty Jew boy covered with ink–that kind of Jew–the kind which has its head above water, the sweet, tender imps who have not sublimated immortality into compound interest. He was the nicest, and the only talented person I saw in all Berlin. … Yet if I lived there, I felt I might turn anti-Semite. For the poor Prussian is too slow and heavy on his legs for the other kind of Jews, the ones who are not imps but serving devils, with small horns, pitch forks, and oily tails. It is not agreeable to see civilization so under the ugly thumbs of its impure Jews who have all the money and the power and brains.

  114. @iffen

    That was not his argument.

    你不诚实。

    • 回复: @Rurik
    , @iffen
  115. Rosie 说:
    @lavoisier

    It took a Jewish writer to point out that the Gentiles and the Asians are being screwed.

    No, just Gentiles. Asians still have their own countries. They’re just not getting as big a share of the loot as they might like. That’s not what I would call “getting screwed.”

  116. utu 说:
    @peterAUS

    以上都没有。

    Netanyahu is doing to Trump exactly what he did to Putin. He shows that Israel will do as it pleases and nothing will moderate its behavior. He will not postpone bombing of Syria on account of V-day parade in Moscow or postpone massacring Palestinians on account of Ivanka visits and embassy opening. To the contrary he will double down and rub it in to show the world that Israel is a mad dog as Moshe Dayan said.

    Is there a treatment for rabies?

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  117. Rosie 说:
    @AaronB

    But to do all this, we must not be willing to debate everything. We must have values that are simply not open to debate.

    Our right to exist would seem to be a good place to draw the line.

    • 同意: Talha, Rurik, lavoisier
    • 回复: @AaronB
  118. Rurik 说:
    @lavoisier

    你不诚实。

    ah, that reply had slipped my notice, thanks

    his point is that Jews are always victims, no matter what, and so if anyone criticizes anything that any of them do, they are de facto anti-Semites because Jews are always victims.

    It’s circular you see.

    I hope little iffen is grateful for my explanation so that we’re all on the same page.

  119. iffen 说:
    @lavoisier

    He said Jews cause anti-Semitism.

    Why would I need to be dishonest?

    • 回复: @Rurik
  120. peterAUS 说:
    @utu

    Israel will do as it pleases……

    At the moment it looks that way.

    If…if that is really the case, well, that, again, opens some scenarios and possibilities I can’t say I am comfortable about.
    And, that’s taking into account that I am,designated by majority here,a rabid Hasbara/Zionazi/Neocon/whatever…perhaps even a Jew.

    Should events really go that way debating Jordan Peterson will be at the bottom of the list for most of us around.

    • 巨魔: utu
  121. Rurik 说:
    @iffen

    He said Jews cause anti-Semitism.

    not quite, this is what I said

    If Jews weren’t promoting genocide in Europe and N. America, (not to mention Eternal War and cultural sewage) there’d be very little ‘anti-Semitism to speak of.

    so of course you were being dishonest, weren’t you?

    Natalie Portman is Jewish, but that fact nor her actions are causing anyone to be anti-Semitic, now are they?

    Jews being Jews are as inoffensive as a pretty girl, inside and out

    but BB is very offensive, isn’t he?

    • 回复: @iffen
  122. Anonymous[392]• 免责声明 说:
    @republic

    Damn. This guy is spot on.

    Too bad more of his work is not translated.

  123. Anonymous[392]• 免责声明 说:
    @Anonymous

    But he is politically correct.

    Peterson is a generic older Canadian guy who goes off on a rant. He is not someone who pursues the truth, he is someone that talks more openly than the average guy because he has tenure.

    But his pursuit of truth is not so pure that he would explore the JQ sincerly.

    • 回复: @jack daniels
  124. Anonymous[392]• 免责声明 说:
    @AaronB

    I agree this seems to be effective. But what of the pursuit of truth? Why cant we call a spade a spade and instead play dumb and laugh while someone pisses on you?

    • 回复: @AaronB
  125. Anonymous[392]• 免责声明 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    lol. Of course we can’t objectively observe Jews. They are chosen and we are just sheep.

    How ridiculous do you sound here knowing that you yourself judge other cultures all the time.

    So we can’t do these things with Jews but we can with Muslims Chinese and Blacks?

    • 回复: @Bardon Kaldian
  126. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @Ron Unz

    仅供参考,

    so much for Jonathan Anomaly’s https://www.unz.com/author/jonathan-anomaly/ scholastic integrity:

    So what did he do? A week later he tweeted a follow-up article by Cofnas and me. And on March 23rd he wrote the blog post where he addressed anti-Semites as follows: “So, what’s the story? No conspiracy. Get it? No conspiracy. Jewish people are over-represented in positions of competence and authority because, as a group, they have a higher mean IQ.”

    Here’s the thing: Peterson is right. The average IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is the highest of any ethnic group in the world. Maybe there’s a controversy about the causes of group differences in IQ (though experts agree that IQ is highly heritable), but there’s no serious controversy about the fact that Jews have a high IQ. That’s a fact, not an “anti-Semitic dog whistle.”

    Let’s review what happened: A Jewish academic wrote a paper criticizing Kevin MacDonald, who is the most popular intellectual in the world among anti-Semites. Jordan Peterson promoted the paper that criticized MacDonald, and when he received pushback from anti-Semites, he doubled down and insisted that the anti-Semites were wrong. Then the Forward came along and declared that Peterson was engaged in “anti-Semitic dog whistl[ing],” and put a picture of him next to Hitler.

    你不能把这个东西编起来。

    http://quillette.com/2018/05/13/libel-jordan-peterson-forward-story-journalistic-failure/

    Apparently, you can make this stuff up… …”the [Jewish] IQ=115 “urban legend”” that is, if your name is Jordan Peterson, et al.

    Is Jonathan Anomaly an academic “Jewish berserker”?

    新的 科赫兄弟 也在混合中。 你不能把这个东西编起来!

    Prof accuses Jewish academic of backing Nazi-style eugenics

    – The University of Arizona hosted a panel discussion last week criticizing the school’s “Freedom Center” for accepting funding from the Koch Institute, fretting that “the Koch network’s goal is to move this country to the right.”

    – During the event, a history professor accused Freedom Center scholar Dr. Jonathan Anomaly of advocating Nazi-style eugenics in a research article, which Anomaly, who is Jewish, called “disgusting.”

    In a statement to Campus Reform, Anomaly further blasted Gibbs for mischaracterizing his work, labeling his remarks as “absurd.”

    “The idea that I’m a Nazi sympathizer, which Gibbs implied, is especially absurd not only because I’m Jewish, but because I wrote this harsh critique of the anti-Semitism of some people on the ‘alt right’ last month, and this follow-up,” he explained. “These articles have been heavily promoted by people on the right and left, such as Steven Pinker and Jordan Peterson.”

    来源: https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10751 存档的链接: http://archive.is/EVeTw

    P.s. for other readers and commenters:

    Here Mr. Unz’s comment creating and defining the term “Jewish berserkers”:

    …a sizeable number of what might be called “Jewish berserkers,” namely fanatic Jewish-activist types. Their wild, ferocious attacks on any individual or institution suspected of being less than friendly toward Jews tend to drastically discourage most people from scrutinizing or investigating Jewish behavior,…

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/forward-is-jordan-peterson-enabling-jew-hatred/#comment-2328798

    and Jordan Peterson’s (indirect) connection to the 犹太防卫联盟 (which I believe is a 摩萨德 front group) through his relationship with Jewish-Canadian, neocon extraordinaire Ezra Levant: https://www.unz.com/isteve/forward-is-jordan-peterson-enabling-jew-hatred/#comment-2328862

    “但我自己怀疑以色列摩萨德参与了这件事,”他说,指的是以色列特勤局。 “他们可能使用了 JDL 当地的技术人员,他们是当地的恐怖分子。”https://www.nytimes.com/1985/11/09/us/fbi-says-jewish-defense-league-may-have-planted-fatal-bombs.html

    Claire Lehmann, who is is the founder and editor-in-chief of Quillette.com, which publishes Jonathan Anomaly and Jordan Peterson who regularly promotes it and her on Twitter, is also connected to Ezra Levant:

    …Jordan Peterson and Claire Lehmann were both supported and pushed by Ezra Levant in/from the very beginning. Jordan Peterson still appears on Ezra Levant’s show every now and then, I believe. That doesn’t necessarily make them neocons themselves but they are promoted by them, they travel in their circles and thus are part of the broader Neocon orbit, in my opinion…https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-meet-the-renegades-of-the-intellectual-dark-web/#comment-2324975

    • 回复: @FKA Max
  127. Anonymous[378]• 免责声明 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Jewish Genius: Charles Murray

    https://www.aei.org/publication/jewish-genius/

    What accounts for this remarkable record? A full answer must call on many characteristics of Jewish culture, but intelligence has to be at the center of the answer. Jews have been found to have an unusually high mean intelligence as measured by IQ tests since the first Jewish samples were tested. (The widely repeated story that Jewish immigrants to this country in the early 20th century tested low on IQ is a canard.) Exactly how high has been difficult to pin down, because Jewish sub-samples in the available surveys are seldom perfectly representative. But it is currently accepted that the mean is somewhere in the range of 107 to 115, with 110 being a plausible compromise.

    The IQ mean for the American population is “normed” to be 100, with a standard deviation of 15. If the Jewish mean is 110, then the mathematics of the normal distribution says that the average Jew is at the 75th percentile. Underlying that mean in overall IQ is a consistent pattern on IQ subtests: Jews are only about average on the subtests measuring visuo-spatial skills, but extremely high on subtests that measure verbal and reasoning skills.

    A group’s mean intelligence is important in explaining outcomes such as mean educational attainment or mean income. The key indicator for predicting exceptional accomplishment (like winning a Nobel Prize) is the incidence of exceptional intelligence. Consider an IQ score of 140 or higher, denoting the level of intelligence that can permit people to excel in fields like theoretical physics and pure mathematics. If the mean Jewish IQ is 110 and the standard deviation is 15, then the proportion of Jews with IQ’s of 140 or higher is somewhere around six times the proportion of everyone else.

    The imbalance continues to increase for still higher IQ’s. New York City’s public-school system used to administer a pencil-and-paper IQ test to its entire school population. In 1954, a psychologist used those test results to identify all 28 children in the New York public-school system with measured IQ’s of 170 or higher. Of those 28, 24 were Jews.

    Exceptional intelligence is not enough to explain exceptional accomplishment. Qualities such as imagination, ambition, perseverance, and curiosity are decisive in separating the merely smart from the highly productive. The role of intelligence is nicely expressed in an analogy suggested to me years ago by the sociologist Steven Goldberg: intelligence plays the same role in an intellectually demanding task that weight plays in the performance of NFL offensive tackles. The heaviest offensive tackle is not necessarily the best. Indeed, the correlation between weight and performance among NFL offensive tackles is probably quite low. But they all weigh more than 300 pounds.

    So with intelligence. The other things count, but you must be very smart to have even a chance of achieving great work. A randomly selected Jew has a higher probability of possessing that level of intelligence than a randomly selected member of any other ethnic or national group, by far.

    • 回复: @FKA Max
  128. Miro23 说:

    Moreover, the general take-home message of The Culture of Critique is that the movements I describe were not open to innovative ideas or disconfirming evidence. Participants slavishly worshiped charismatic leaders, like Freud, Boas, Trotsky, and Luxemburg; they formed mutual admiration societies by citing and promoting each other. Dissenters were simply expelled or ignored.

    With insiders/outsiders, enforcement, rewards and penalties, there’s something Jim Jones like about all this.

    Jones started the Peoples Temple in Indiana during the 1950s. He moved the Temple to California in the mid-1960s and gained notoriety with its activities in San Francisco in the early 1970s. He then relocated to Guyana. In 1978, media reports surfaced that human rights abuses were taking place in the Peoples Temple in Jonestown. United States Congressman Leo Ryan led a delegation into the commune to investigate what was going on; Ryan and others were murdered by gunfire while boarding a return flight with defectors. Jones subsequently committed a mass murder-suicide of 918 of his followers, 304 of whom were children, almost all by cyanide poisoning via a Flavor Aid. This historical episode gave rise to the American-English expression “drinking the Kool-Aid”.

    维基百科上的数据

  129. Yevardian 说:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Just take my word that it’s not at all a serious work of historiography. Scholars of USSR or Maoist China disregarded it as a work of shoddy quality and outdated figures on its release. Neocons and Libertarian autistes love the book because it makes their own dystopian dreams look more attractive.

  130. anon[217]• 免责声明 说:

    If Ashkenazi Jews do indeed have such high IQ, then why wasn’t Poland the richest and most successful nation in Europe? After all, Poland had been the most tolerant and welcoming country to Jews since the year 1025 and was home to the largest population of Jews throughout much of Europe’s history. Instead, Poland was probably the most invaded country in Europe, and the Jews were not in the habit of helping to defend the country from all the invasions.

    Instead, the Jews were involved in the establishment of the Soviet Union and we all know how that turned out.

    Also, why didn’t Jews come up with the industrial revolution? Discovered electricity or vaccines that cured most of the deadliest virus borne diseases?

    Jews succeed in commerce because that is the one field that requires the most dishonesty and clannishness to succeed. Dishonest people always make honest people look stupid by comparison. That’s the real “smarts” of the Jews, they are dishonest, ruthless and clannish.

    Kevin McDonald is right in his assessment that the Chinese in Southeast Asia, often called the Jews of Southeast Asia, differ from the Jews in one very important regard. The Chinese are not politically ambitious and are not a meddlesome lot. They mostly stick to commerce or become professionals in medicine, engineering, science or accounting, and steer clear of journalism, the law, academia or politics. Jews would be much more welcomed everywhere if they act the same.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  131. denk 说:
    @iffen

    Jews…….…………?

    WTS, White trash supremacists like you have been an existential threat to the world for the past five centuries. !

    • 回复: @Anon
  132. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @Anonymous

    犹太天才 发表于 四月1st,在2007 评论 😉

    犹太天才

    Jews are extravagantly overrepresented in every field of intellectual accomplishment. Why?
    Charles Murray / Apr. 1, 2007

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/jewish-genius/

    总结

    公开的和隐蔽的犹太至上主义者绣制了虚假的历史和非凡的情报遗产,而忽略了先进的非犹太科学和文化背景,在此之前和之后,犹太人都获得了受教育和获得财富的机会。

    所有以种族为中心的部落所固有的危险是,它们通过建立分配优势和劣势的系统来统治多数人口。 然后,他们用这些来证明财富,教育和政治权力日益加剧的不平等!

    历史上受宠的少数族裔往往会过度扩张,就像没有眼睛的桑普森一样,将圣殿推倒在每个人身上。 权力腐败,绝对的民族沙文主义权力绝对腐败。 有原则的聪明犹太人正在放弃这座建立在不公正和神话之上的圣殿:如果可以的话,现在有超过三分之一的以色列犹太人会离开以色列。 也许他们对统治以色列的部落民族统治的失望反映在美国许多非犹太犹太人对真正公正、非部落社会的渴望。

    https://www.unz.com/jpetras/judeo-centrism-myths-and-mania/#p_1_56

  133. anon[217]• 免责声明 说:
    @hyperbola

    Quite amazing. I admire the professor for speaking out. Imagine how much more Dr. Troian could’ve accomplished in her research if she hadn’t had to deal with this Israeli espionage. But the question that we must ask is, if the university is conducting a project that is of highly sensitive national security concern and must be restricted from foreigners, why then did Dr. Troian hire an Israeli citizen and an Indian citizen to work as her post docs? There has to be much stricter rules on our college campuses on hiring foreign students to work as assistant researchers to highly sensitive projects that concern national security.

    I’ve lost a lot of respect for Caltech. My son is a huge fan and dreams of attending that school. Now I will probably have him cross it off the list.

    • 回复: @Mishra
  134. anon[217]• 免责声明 说:
    @republic

    contrary to Christianity or Islam, the Jews do not intent to convert others to Judaism, but rather to
    persuade them to renounce their religion their race, their identity, their family and all their traditions
    in the name of “Humanity,” and “Human rights.”

    Quite the contrary, the whole idea of multiculturalism as promoted by the Jews is for each group to embrace its own roots and culture instead someone else’s. This will make every group an out group in the Western world so that Jews are no longer the only out group.

  135. HamishH 说:
    @(((They))) Live

    I agree. The ‘JQ’ is very peripheral to what he does. He works with individuals, and his best stuff is for individuals. Group identity actually doesn’t help individuals, only whole societies. Chicken and egg.

    Dammit people, he’s not the antichrist!

  136. @Anonymous

    Cognitive dissonance? Of course Jews can be sociologically & psychologically analyzed like any other ethnic group. Just, the approach characteristic of MacDonald & similar ideologues is nothing more than propaganda of their own projections, not a dispassionate study.

    • 回复: @jack daniels
    , @Anonymous
  137. HamishH 说:
    @Glenfilthie

    ‘You have to understand who Jordan Peterson is. He is a classical liberal with a smattering of intellect and common sense – and he’s gone public with it right in the heart of the lunatic hive of progressive SJW political correctness.’

    He’s also focused heavily on the individual. On the scale of the individual, group ID means bugger-all. If you’re talking to a black African in an office in London, he’s almost certain to have an IQ close to yours, just by the fact that he got there. If you’re trying to help someone sort their life out, does it help to say to them, ‘Your problems are caused by the JOOZ in the meedja!’?

    可以?

    • 回复: @jack daniels
  138. @utu

    Good points. Whether Jewish dominance is in accord with Jewish IQ is distinct from whether Jewish dominance exists, and that is distinct from whether Jews, when acting as a group, are using their power for good. That Jews are aggressively on the left is routinely admitted by Jews writing for a Jewish audience (e.g. Sternlicht’s comment that anyone with an ounce of mother’s wit knows that Jews are on the right of any issue on cold days in Hell.) If you think the left is harmful, you will worry about the power of Jews. Over-arching these questions is the issue of whether it is okay to talk about it. The mainstream answer is No, unless you are a Jew talking about anti-Semitism. Yet important matters might be at stake: The power of the Jewish lobby is driving us into an adversarial relationship with Russia that could be very disadvantageous to Christians, in that Russia could spearhead and protect a Christian/anti-political-correctness revival in eastern Europe. IMO this is the chief motive behind their position. Does past persecution of Jews justify rules of engagement by which Jews cannot be criticized but are free to complain about WASPs, evangelicals, the Catholic church, Islam, rednecks, Irish, Poles, Russians, and Slavs generally? They also feel free to judge black culture, black movements, and black leaders, smacking down anti-Semites like Farrakhan, Baraka or Ture (Stokely Carmichael.) Jews have taken the lead in declaring the equal potential of all races and near-equality of all individuals, and also argue from a social justice viewpoint in favor of affirmative action in hiring and admissions, so they are not in a good position to appeal to superior genetics when their own over-representation is complained of.

  139. iffen 说:
    @Rurik

    so of course you were being dishonest, weren’t you?

    No, rational and logical.

    If Jews weren’t promoting genocide in Europe and N. America, (not to mention Eternal War and cultural sewage)

    False statements, therefore, false conclusion:

    there’d be very little ‘anti-Semitism to speak of.

    Anti-Semitism comes first; reasons, justifications and embellishments later.

    • 回复: @Rurik
    , @Mishra
  140. iffen 说:
    @peterAUS

    You are correct and you are wrong.

    Where, oh where have all the Brownshirts and Mensheviks gone?

    I completely agree with you, but only when the timing is right.

    People are not going to follow a bunch of neo-Nazis.

    You have to have a “proper choosing up” of sides first.

    For myself, and I assume many others, I would rather be ruled by an ugly, transgendered, fat faggoty tattooed low IQ bull dyke than a bunch of Hitler worshippers.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
    , @Mishra
  141. @Anonymous

    Having tenure is certainly helpful but it doesn’t explain Peterson’s audacity nor his focus and eloquence on most of the issues he discusses. If he is not up to the challenge of the JQ, neither is anyone else who is allowed into mainstream discussions. It’s the Bermuda Triangle of sociology. I don’t mean to excuse his disingenuous comments but nobody’s perfect.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  142. @HamishH

    In sorting one’s problems in life, assessing the role of influences is important. I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood and as a result I am able to notice the Jewishness of many themes and values that are more or less forced upon the gentile public. If it’s reasonable for blacks, gays, women, and Jews to worry about how the culture may be messing them up internally, as opposed to merely denying them opportunities, why would it not be reasonable to think about how Jews and their pet ideas and causes undermine an Anglo-Saxon Christian’s struggle to define himself and find suitable ideals and projects? Without Jewish activism of the past 50 years American society would be unrecognizably different, for better or worse. If one thinks some of the effects harmful, why not talk about it and try to undo some of the damage?

  143. @Bardon Kaldian

    In sociology, genuine dispassion is rare if it exists at all. But while other groups – Baptists, Catholics, Muslims, WASPs, blacks, Appalachians, Slavs — may be freely discussed and unflattering conclusions arrived at, Jews can only be discussed if the conclusions affirm their goodness and their suffering.

  144. AaronB 说:
    @Anonymous

    You cannot pursue truth with people of bad character. We must return to judging character as the most important thing.

    There is this crazy Enlightenment idea that the character of the person doesn’t matter, just the idea. That’s Enlightenment abstraction. This is nuts. Yes, an idea is good or bad regardless of who speaks it – but you do not debate with bad people, you do not seem truth with them.

  145. Vojkan 说:

    Even if Jews really had a much higher IQ than non-Jews, of which I doubt very much given my experience with them, that wouldn’t entitle them to rule what other people think or do and that definitely doesn’t entitle them to destroy the traditional way of life and culture of people of European ascent. Having a higher IQ or pretending to be “chosen by God” doesn’t give anyone any special prerogative or privilege. Jewish supremacism, whether justified by IQ, by wealth or by being God’s favourite people, is the problem, just as German supremacism was, and I believe than it can’t be argued than given their prior achievements, the Germans had a much more solid case for their contention.

    • 回复: @utu
  146. AaronB 说:
    @Rosie

    绝对。

    You do not “objectively”, “rationally” examine European history for the purpose of determining whether Europeans are “evil”. Your history is sacred. You may be willing to admit wrongdoing and mistakes, and he honest about facts, and become morally better through examining your errors, but the overall context must be of a sacred history glorifying your people.

    The moment someone reveals their intent is to “rationally” prove European history is “uniquely evil” or some such nonsense, you don’t debate. You attack. Or shut down the debate. Because that is what they are doing to you – under the guise of “rationality”.

    Jewish history is brutally honest about their crimes – see the bible. But only among themselves. Not among outsiders. But Jewish culture is not an Enlightenment tradition.

    The centrality of “rational debate” in our culture must end.

    • 回复: @utu
    , @jack daniels
  147. AaronB 说:
    @Talha

    绝对。

    In modern Enlightenment fashion, we call this “fanatacism” . But in fact it’s merely the essential quality of any effective person.

    It all comes back to Voltaire and his “no enthusiasm” – the watchword of modern white culture is “no enthusiasm” ! And we wonder why there is widespread apathy and depression? Voltaire didn’t say ” wisely guided enthusiasm ” or “enthusiasm directed towards higher ends”.

    He literally thought the solution to human problems – is to neuter humans. He couldn’t handle the fact that life is challenging, and requires wisdom, character, and discernment to navigate well – so he tried simply to neuter us. And European culture needed his call.

    But without enthusiasm, there is only death.

  148. Anonymous[989]• 免责声明 说:
    @CBTerry

    He cries all the fucking time.

    I was quite moved at first until I realised it was his 手法 :/

  149. Anonymous[392]• 免责声明 说:
    @jack daniels

    Ugghhh. How lame.

    Being audacious and eloquent except when it starts to get uncomfortable is more than useless. It is harmful.

    If he is not sincere is his journey to explore the truth and say uncomfortable things he should keep quiet and talk about non controversial things.

  150. Anonymous[392]• 免责声明 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Nice objective analysis.

    You totally ducked anything specific and just said he is biased.

    I’ll take this victory and ignore you till you have something interesting to say.

    • 回复: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @utu
  151. vinteuil 说:

    There is this crazy Enlightenment idea that the character of the person doesn’t matter, just the idea.

    What major enlightenment figure says this? Can you support your claim with quotes?

    • 回复: @DFH
    , @AaronB
  152. DFH 说:
    @vinteuil

    He always talks in thesse vague, mystical terms. With a concept as nebulous as ‘the Enlightenment’ you can say that it was about anything and its opposite.

  153. @Anonymous

    我已经说过,大多数麦克唐纳(MacDonald)的主张都是虚假的。 由于我对这个话题不太感兴趣(彼得森,犹太人的阴谋,智商,常春藤代表人数过多/不足),因此,我只复制粘贴我在他的巨著上发布的内容,就是这样。

    分析他的大多数具体主张与他的大多数崇高主张一样无用和无聊。

    在凯文·麦克唐纳 (Kevin MacDonald) 对康法斯 (Confas) 批评的回应中,我看不出有多少新内容(顺便说一句,这太局限且不符合历史)。 麦克唐纳刚刚重申了他的旧主张:

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    *犹太人“遵循群体进化策略”。 除了琐碎的观察,任何人类集体都希望维护自己的身份并繁荣发展,他都没有证明这种策略根本存在。 在这种行为中没有“战略”。

    *此外,作者对“犹太运动”的描述是不可验证的,实际上很难描述。 从我对马克思主义,精神分析或列宁主义的了解来看,这些运动既不是“犹太人”运动,无论是从思想上还是从支持者的角度来看都是如此。
    那么在20世纪和21世纪C时代流行的其他知识分子又如何呢? 这些运动或文化潮流是否可以称为“犹太人”:无政府主义,自由恋爱左派,表现主义,立体派,达达主义,德国哲学现象学,文化批评(海德格尔之后的德里达和福柯),1968年后意识形态的新左派,多元文化主义作为意识形态,荣格原型心理学,新时代意识形态,激进的女权主义,“新无神论”,进化心理学,社会生物学,各种经济学派(奥地利,芝加哥,..),人文主义的结构主义..?
    我对博阿斯人类学几乎一无所知,但我对共产主义和精神分析的各个分支了解很多,我不明白如何证明这些运动在起源或历史上是“犹太人的”? 例如,除了是奥地利犹太人之外,早期的弗洛伊德精神分析变体中的“犹太人”是什么? 这所“学校”是世纪末德国文化和当时精神病学常识的产物。 就其结构、价值观或总体趋势、其目标或人类心理地图而言,“犹太人”是什么?

    *在20世纪和21世纪领域中,犹太人人数过多的领域是什么:理论物理学,数学的所有分支,国际象棋大师,计算机科学,小提琴演奏家,艺术界的慈善家和博物馆馆长,电影导演和制片人,..? 这些地区是否受到犹太人利益的驱使,无论是否有意识? 我们如何确定这一点?

    尽管我很钦佩麦克唐纳在消除伤感神话方面的工作,但随着时间的推移,核心美国犹太社区已经建立了它(永恒的受害者和普遍的人道主义者),但我不认为他的工作是一种冷静的分析,甚至接近于这样一种不精确的分析进化心理学声称的“科学”。 凭借其广泛的概括,麦克唐纳关于犹太教(作为文化)历史特征的著作与其他史学没有什么不同,类似于圣奥古斯丁、焦阿基诺·达·菲奥雷、黑格尔、马克思或斯宾格勒。

    这些作品有很多见识,但它们基本上是一种富有想象力的结构,而不仅仅是更多。

    Evo-psych 不是一门科学,这使它类似于精神分析。 我并不是说它毫无价值,只是......麦克唐纳根本不了解弗洛伊德精神分析的根源(叔本华,皮埃尔珍妮特,世纪末的知识分子气候,..)。 弗洛伊德认为自己是“心灵的达尔文”,并希望他的“心灵的形而上学”在世纪之交被证明与生物学或生理学一样精确。 没有什么“颠覆性”的,只是失败的科学和伟大的文学。 弗洛伊德的作品仍然是现代德国(和西方)文学的纪念碑之一,类似于叔本华和尼采等文学哲学家的作品——但它无论是作为精神病学的一个分支,还是作为一种疗法,基本上都毫无用处。 从本质上讲,弗洛伊德是一个神话制造者(原始部落,潜意识中的动态无意识,心智的三重分裂,复合体,防御机制,爱欲与死神……) 您在索福克勒斯、莎士比亚、叔本华和陀思妥耶夫斯基中拥有所有这些(以及更多)。 他们是什么“雅利安人”颠覆者?

    阿什肯纳兹智商神话。 https://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/

    从本质上讲,这是一个复杂的问题,在更高的智商与人类成就之间找不到强相关性。 从历史上看,大多数犹太人的成就来自塞法迪/伊比利亚和北非犹太人(迈蒙尼德、约瑟夫卡罗、斯宾诺莎等),而德系犹太人则落后于 18 世纪后期的德国启蒙运动。

    我们只是不知道为什么某些群体(公元前 700 年至公元前 200 年的希腊人、公元 12 至 14 世纪的蒙古人、1300 至 1600 年的佛罗伦萨意大利人、1750 至 1940 年代的德国人……)在许多地区的人数过多。 ,或在某些特定领域。 犹太人的过度代表现在可能有 100-150 年之久。 为什么? 我们不知道。

    美国犹太人天生就是左派,因为他们绝大多数来自 2 世纪下半叶的东欧高度政治化、“进步主义”和社会主义环境。

    至于法兰克福学派、马克思主义、……麦克唐纳对这些问题了解不多。 他可能太老了,无法修改他的想法,但他的追随者可以尝试拓宽视野。

  154. AaronB 说:
    @vinteuil

    Voltaire – “surtout, pas de zele”

    • 回复: @vinteuil
  155. Jordan Peterson Is A Willing Accomplice In The WHITE GENOCIDE Plot.

    Jordan Peterson Is An Evil Baby Boomer.

    https://twitter.com/RealVinceJames/status/995840449330888704

    • 回复: @gsjackson
  156. utu 说:
    @Anonymous

    If you want to see an example of “dispassionate study” in action ask Bardon Kaldian about atrocities committed by Croatians.

  157. utu 说:
    @AaronB

    Jewish history is brutally honest about their crimes – see the bible. But only among themselves. Not among outsiders.

    I do not think so. The majority of Jews is oblivious to all the bad stuff. All they know that they were the eternal victims and history of their historical (not biblical) deeds is sanitized. How many Jews know of massacres of few hundred thousands of Christians in Cyprus during Kitos war? And we know that they are in total denial of their role in Bolshevik crimes except for those who are faring from the families who were proud participants.

    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @jack daniels
  158. vinteuil 说:
    @AaronB

    真的吗?

    I guess you think the idea that “character doesn’t matter, just the idea” is to be found somewhere among the emanations from the penumbra of the admonition surtout, pas de zele?

    Have you ever considered a career as a justice of the Supreme Court?

    • 回复: @AaronB
  159. utu 说:
    @Vojkan

    I keep wondering how the meme of Jewish high IQ started and whether all this dubious IQ research is funded by Jewish money. It is obvious that racialist and racists Whites you can encounter here and particularly at iSailer all they get from it is a consolation prize of feeling superior to Blacks and Mexicans. But many of them are quite happy with it.

  160. @AaronB

    What I’m saying is that once you’re in a battle, the correct way to fight it is to give your all, without holding back, without reserve.

    Robert E. Lee would disagree, on grounds of strategic design being far more valuable in battle than brute force.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  161. AaronB 说:
    @utu

    好点。

    There is certainly ignorance of more recent Jewish crimes, and whitewashing, denials. Etc. The general picture is one of victimhood.

    However, when I sit down with my orthodox Jewish friends and I point out Jewish crimes, the reaction is complex and interesting – there are smirks and smiles, glances exchanged between each other, momentary admissions accompanied by indifference, mixed with attacks on me, lots of hyperventilating, faked outrage, posturing, change of subject, etc.

    It is a curious, cognitively-dissonant, highly mixed, volatile, reaction – it is both smirking acceptance of bad behavior, mischievous pride in it even, as well as insisting on pure victimized and eternal righteousness – simultaneously. You must remember we are not dealing with an Enlightenment culture here – that is the crucial point to remember! Linear categories do not apply.

    You must remember that to them I am a quasi-outsider – they are trying to bring back into the Jewish fold (ha!) – but I am far from a full fledged member.

    The bible is a record of Jewish crimes and bad behavior in the manner of no other people’s sacred book – and there is much of this in the Talmud. However the context is of an overarching divine mission and sense of sacred closeness that neutralizes and transcends mere bad behaviour.

    Once you have a firm belief that you are basically good in a fundamental, sacred sense, you can accept bad behavior, but only among yourselves.

  162. AaronB 说:
    @vinteuil

    You are either not arguing in good faith, or are stupid.

    Your original question to me was which enlightenment figure said “no enthusiasm”.

    I answered that, and now you are acting as if your original question was about “character doesn’t matter, just the idea”, and that this cannot be derived from Voltaire’s remark (obviously).

    I do not have time for such games. If you aren’t stupid, and want a serious discussion, demonstrate integrity. If you think your remark makes sense, then no hard feelings, but unfortunately I cannot help you.

    • 回复: @vinteuil
  163. AaronB 说:
    @manorchurch

    They do not exclude each other.

    You are over 50 and white correct? No problem. Continue neglecting emotional factors and believe in pure, pristine intellect. It is quite clear why your generation surrendered to Jews. Your generation must be written off as hopeless.

    Good luck with what life is left you, and I now must focus on serious matters.

    • 回复: @manorchurch
  164. vinteuil 说:
    @AaronB

    Your original question to me was which enlightenment figure said “no enthusiasm”.

    Please re-read 153 above.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  165. gsjackson 说:
    @Charles Pewitt

    I doubt that’s London in 1960 on the left — miniskirts, a few early Beatles haircuts. I’ll guess 1968. But point taken — a world of difference from today.

    • 同意: Charles Pewitt
  166. AaronB 说:
    @vinteuil

    You are right. I owe you an apology. It seems I am the stupid one 🙂 My sincere apologies for lashing out at you.

    Well, I don’t know if any enlightenment figure actually said that. But it is certainly a current belief that you hear a lot, and I believe it’s valid to infer that it derives from the Enlightenment culture of abstraction – where an idea is abstracted from its concrete surroundings, and evaluated on its own.

    I favor a return to the concrete – an idea should be evaluated with reference to its origin, and the general context in which it first appeared. Only then can we properly respond to it.

    The very same idea, advocated by a Jew or a white person, should be evaluated differently by us. This is a profoundly anti-Enlightenment notion, it seems to me.

  167. @AaronB

    They do not exclude each other.

    Most frequently, they do.

    You are over 50 and white correct? No problem. Continue neglecting emotional factors and believe in pure, pristine intellect.

    You are under 50 and coal-black, right?

    Got it. You’re a total asshole by choice. Been there, done that. CYA.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  168. AaronB 说:
    @manorchurch

    Sorry. I don’t mean to be an asshole. And I write you off with regret – I sincerely wish you well.

    It’s just that I no longer think its useful to argue with people too affected by the “cult of reason”. It is not your fault, but you cannot change, and your attitudes landed us in this mess.

    With all the best wishes to your generation, we must move on.

    • 回复: @manorchurch
  169. @AaronB

    With all the best wishes to your generation, we must move on.

    Uh huh. I’ve got more “been there done thats” then you could imagine. Long life, much experience.

    I don’t mind if you move on — you should. But, what’s the likelihood your cohort can do that? Or will do that?

    Negligible, at best. But, do make plans. 😉

    • 回复: @AaronB
  170. Vojkan 说:
    @utu

    Well, if they believe that Lady Gaga is superior to Duke Ellington, who am I to contradict?

  171. @AaronB

    I agree with you that Jews are, in general, more open and honest than other groups in discussing their flaws and foibles. Their seriousness as scholars and thinkers overcomes any temptation to distort facts for ephemeral purposes. However, this candor is most noticeable in books and articles written for a scholarly audience. It does not leak into the Weekly Standard or even the New York Times. The question is, given that some critics of Jews or Israel are dangerous haters, should all (gentile) critics be subject to laws and practices severely punishing anything negative?

    • 回复: @AaronB
  172. AaronB 说:
    @manorchurch

    Negligible, at best. But, do make plans. 😉

    Why undermine our motivation? You should be rooting for us.

    • 回复: @manorchurch
  173. @utu

    I keep wondering how the meme of high IQ as ‘merit’ got started. Adam Smith would agree with Baden Powell that all the virtues of the public contribute to prosperity, while Turing thought that in the future the market value of IQ would sag and the market value of biceps would soar — something he hoped for, since despite being a genius he disliked the culture of the educated.

    • 回复: @Vojkan
  174. @utu

    One side-effect of the IQ obsession is that other kinds of right-wing belief get pushed aside. The Alt Right has the virtue of demanding an attitude of defiance toward the left and establishment right, but, being mostly young people, is disposed to take for granted the hegemonic status of many attitudes that are products of successful leftist agitation, as regards family and sexual norms and religion. What we have lacked for 50 years is a right that is both defiant and concerned about the culture. Social conservatives are aware that Jews see them as a threat and make it their first priority to prove to Jews that they are harmless. For this purpose their main tactic is losing.

  175. @AaronB

    Why undermine our motivation? You should be rooting for us.

    LOL. Undermine a motivation to watch an endless procession of Youtube prank videos on a smartphone?

    I sincerely hope your cohort develops some worthy ambition and a decent plan for achieving it.

  176. AaronB 说:
    @jack daniels

    I believe you have misunderstood me.

    I do not think Jews are objective at all, or that they display objective scholarship. Particularly not that.

    I say among themselves, Jews are not ashamed of their crimes and had behaviour, because they see it in the context of a larger divine mission. What Jews say to outsiders is quite different from how they speak among themselves.

    I am suggesting likewise that whites should among themselves allow a certain amount of limited criticism, but to non-whites they should generally praise themselves. To do this, however, whites must abandon materialism and have a religion, a culture, a morality – this will allow whites to see their bad behavior in the context of a larger self-respect that derives from a sense of representing divine laws (a sense of “rightness” that comes from knowing they are followers of the Tao), from a sense of knowingly striving – even if often failing – to obey divinely mandated moral laws, and from having a way of life that nourishes the emotions and sense of beauty, thus is intrinsically enjoyable and felt to be a superior way of life.

    These are the sources of self-respect.

    Jews partially, and in a corrupt manner, realize some of these ideals – which is the source of their temporary advantage over whites. But they are daily growing more corrupt, and their advantage is daily declining.

    • 回复: @Talha
  177. @utu

    Perhaps you can help me with a question about that. It’s clear that most of the top Bolshevik leaders were ethnic Jews, but as to the crimes themselves we usually just hear statistics thrown around without connection to specific scenarios. Apart from the Holodomor, what instances are there of mass-murder by Bolsheviks, especially prior to the Stalin era? Or was it an accumulation of thousands of incidents of local brutality?
    感谢您的任何评论。

    • 回复: @utu
  178. Anonymous [AKA "FirstNobleTruth"] 说:

    It’s all very depressing. Jordan Peterson’s masters are Jung, Dostoyevsky, and Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. He knows what’s up, but he realizes that his now glorious career is in danger of being destroyed. It’s very sad. I was just watching him lecture people about the dangers of not speaking the truth. He said, essentially, “Is you’re job preventing you from telling the truth? Then get another job!” In fairness to him, there are some truths you CAN speak and then get another job, but telling one particular truth will prevent you from getting any jobs. The most despicable commenters here are the ones who disingenuously say, “Jews succeed because they work hard, and losers blame all their problems on innocent Jews. You guys are just as bad as the minorities blaming white people for all their problems.” There is an obvious, fundamental difference: Jews have such awesome, crushing power because they fastidiously, brilliantly, relentlessly help their own to the detriment of non-Jews. But if Non-Jews tried using the same strategy, Jews would literally make a federal case out of it.

  179. @utu

    One benefit of the IQ discussion for white gentiles (inferior not only to Jews but to Asians!) is to force public acceptance of a substantial genetic role in the success or failure of groups in acquiring wealth and power. If that role is granted, the legs are swept out from under a lot of bad social policy and moral denunciations of “white (gentile) society.” Without the “force multiplier” of Victim Advocacy, leading to 70-90% Democrat vote for official victim groups, the Jewish left is rendered less powerful, since, once elected, Democrats pursue social policies advocated by Jews. That’s one aspect of it.

    • 回复: @utu
  180. Ron Unz 说:
    @utu

    I keep wondering how the meme of Jewish high IQ started and whether all this dubious IQ research is funded by Jewish money.

    Actually, I think this perspective is quite mistaken. As I discussed in my long Meritocracy analysis, for some decades academic achievement among American Jews was really quite extraordinary, with a group constituting perhaps 3% of the population capturing 20-40% of the top academic awards, including those based on quite objective criteria:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#p_6_3

    美国数学奥林匹克竞赛始于1974年,所有得分最高的学生的名字都可以在互联网上轻松获得。 在1970年代,犹太人占总数的40%以上,在1980年代和1990年代,这一比例平均约为三分之一。 但是,自2000年以来的78年中,在2.5%或1938%的名字中,只有两个名字是犹太人。 普特南考试是美国大学生最困难,最负盛名的数学竞赛,自40年以来每年选出五到六名普特南优胜者。1950年之前的普特南优胜者中有1950%以上是犹太人,从1990年代起每十年一次到22年代,似乎有31%至2000%的获奖者来自同一种族。 但自10年以来,这一比例已降至XNUMX%以下,在过去的XNUMX年中没有一个可能的犹太人名字。

    当我们检查“科学才能搜寻”的统计数据时,这种始终如一的种族下降趋势再次出现。自从40年以来,科学搜寻一直选择1942名学生作为美国最负盛名的高中科学奖的国家决赛入围者,从而提供了超过2800项顶级科学的庞大统计数据集学生们。 从1950年代到1980年代的每十年中,犹太学生一直是接受者的22%至23%,然后这一比例在17年代下降到1990%,在15年代下降到2000%,从7年以来仅下降到2010%。在过去三年中排名前1986位的学生中,似乎只有一个是犹太人。 同样,从1997年到5年,犹太人在物理奥林匹克优秀学生中占四分之一以上,但在过去十年中下降到仅XNUMX%,这一结果必定使理查德·费曼(Richard Feynman)陷入困境。

    It’s hardly surprising that individuals, whether Jewish and Gentile, who came to age under such a situation permanently imprinted the results in their minds, and never noticed the later decline. Frankly, I was quite shocked myself when I began examining the more recent data, everyone I shared them with was equally shocked, which was one reason my article caused quite a stir.

    Even with the best of intentions, people often tend to embed stereotypes, both positive and negative, in their minds.

    • 回复: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @utu
  181. Rurik 说:
    @iffen

    Anti-Semitism comes first; reasons, justifications and embellishments later.

    have you ever wondered why?

    have you ever wondered why people so often expel the Jews from their lands?

    have you ever wondered why the people of Hungary were so keen to kill Bela Kun?

    or why the people of Poland were so angry with the Jews in their midst?

    nowadays they’re speaking more of the Jews that Poles killed during WWII, and how the Polish people owe for those crimes just like the Germans do, but did you ever wonder why Poles, (and Ukrainians and Russians and Lithuanians and Germans and Croats and Cossacks and Latvians and so many others) killed so many Jews during those terrible times?

    Why do you suppose they hated them? Because they were all evil people who resented the Jews because they were smarter and more successful?

    Or because the Jews, like Bela Kun, and others like the NKVD, when they got their hands on power, treated their Gentile victims so horrifically, that when the tables were turned, it was payback time?

    for you, is it all one-sided. IOW, are ‘the Jews’ to your mind, ever guilty?

    or in every case, are they always simply the victims of Gentile irrational hate and envy?

  182. Talha 说:
    @AaronB

    To do this, however, whites must abandon materialism and have a religion, a culture, a morality – this will allow whites to see their bad behavior in the context of a larger self-respect that derives from a sense of representing divine laws (a sense of “rightness” that comes from knowing they are followers of the Tao), from a sense of knowingly striving – even if often failing – to obey divinely mandated moral laws, and from having a way of life that nourishes the emotions and sense of beauty, thus is intrinsically enjoyable and felt to be a superior way of life.

    Beautiful – and in that context I would adjust your earlier excellent advice:

    Your history is sacred. You may be willing to admit wrongdoing and mistakes, and he honest about facts, and become morally better through examining your errors, but the overall context must be of a sacred history glorifying your 神。

    That way you can truly transcend the material plane of causes and means. This is crucial in times of extreme distress and difficulty – because it cultivates the hope for the future. If you hope and believe God has your back – you cannot despair…under insurmountable odds, completely outnumbered, etc.:
    “Those unto whom men said, ‘Verily, the people have gathered against you, therefore, fear them.’ But it (only) increased them in faith, and they said: ‘God (Alone) is suffices us, and He is the Best Disposer of affairs.’” (3:173)

    I’m really hoping people are getting the crux of your advice – it is awesome! It is a really hopeful message.

    和平:

    Note: Tao…Tao-heed – LOL!

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @AaronB
  183. Talha 说:
    @Talha

    Anyone who is not inculcating a message and discourse of hope for White people is the enemy of Whites – no bones about it. I don’t care how White they are – they are not your friend.

    I’m not talking about being blindly naive to reality; I’m talking about being able to see way beyond the clouds and seeing that you get through the storm because your Maker has your back.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  184. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @utu

    Christopher Jon Bjerknes has conducted much research in this field and says it , “the meme of Jewish high IQ”, started with Einstein as an ambassador for and promoter of the Zionist movement and cause (see 红冰 video below).

    There is also this paper by Peter J. White : https://thecross-roads.org/race-culture-nation/84-jewish-intellectual-supremacism-a-refutation-by-andrew-ryan-and-peter-j-white 存档的链接: http://archive.is/U2eJa

    Unless you have been living on planet Pluto, you should be aware of the fact that today Jews are boasting about their intellectual (and sometimes) financial achievements. Superior Jewish intelligence is celebrated in many publications. [4] Ernest van den Haag in The Jewish Mystique [5] has stated that Jews have given essential meaning to the last two thousand years of Western history. He sees the Jews as a people racially superior to all others. A full page advertisement for this book occurred in the New York Times 5 January 1970 and contained the recommendation of the Jew Ashley Montagu, an advocate of racial equity. Clearly, some races are more equal then others. Weyl and Possony alleged that Jews were inherently more intelligent than other people. They were never vilified or abused as Shockley or Jensen were. The writer C.P. Snow also stated that Jews were intellectually superior to all other people [6] and was “patted” on his head by the “American” press. Our aim in this essay is to debunk this myth of Jewish intellectual superiority. We deal first with the IQ argument.
    [...]
    4. See D. Seligman, “A Question of Intelligence,” (Birch Lane Press, New York, 1992); N. Weyl, “The Geography of American Achievement,” (Scott-Townsend Publishers, Washington DC, 1989); N. Weyl and S. Possony, “Geography of the Intellect,” (Regnery, Chicago, 1963) and S.L. Gilman, “Smart Jews: The Construction of the Image of Jewish Superior Intelligence,” (University of Nebraska Press, Lincoln, 1996) for details about this debate.
    5. E. van Den Haag, “The Jewish Mystique,” (Stein and Day, New York, 1977).
    6. “Pittsburgh Post – Gazette,” 1 April, 1969, p.26.


    Christopher Jon Bjerknes – Albert Einstein: The Myth, the Plagiarist & the Zionist – Hour 1

    来源: https://www.unz.com/video/redice_christopher-jon-bjerknes-albert-einstein-the-myth-the-plagia/

    New “Genius” Show Sells Einstein as the Smartest Man Ever But It’s a LIE

    来源: https://www.unz.com/video/redice_new-genius-show-sells-einstein-as-the-smartest-man-ever-but/

    • 回复: @utu
  185. peterAUS 说:
    @iffen

    People are not going to follow a bunch of neo-Nazis.

    You have to have a “proper choosing up” of sides first.

    For myself, and I assume many others, I would rather be ruled by an ugly, transgendered, fat faggoty tattooed low IQ bull dyke than a bunch of Hitler worshippers.

    Well……hehe…….yes and no.
    Yes, I know how it sounds.

    You an American. Democracy, elections, voting, thinking/deciding. An organized society in order. That’s for yes. That’s the environment when you can choose between neo-Nazis and those “ugly…..dyke”.

    There is another world.
    The world of social disorder, chaos, real suffering. You, Amereicans, seen that on TV (sanitized) and read about it (definitely sanitized).

    In that world you don’t think, decide and choose.
    In that world you join in five minutes or get killed with all the people you care for.

    If I learnt anything in my life is that when shit hits the fan the truth is:
    When shit hits the fan people change in instant. That thin layer of civilization slips oh so easy and fast.
    The power is seized by the best organized gang.

    Now……you may hate those Nazis but if by joining them you and your family survive, would you do that? Oh, yes, easy to say “no”. Hehe…let’s just say I don’t buy it for a second. We’ll never know of course.
    Or maybe we will. Who knows?

    You simply have the luxury of that approach. And, well, it looks like that you’ll never need to change it.

    But, for most people of this world, especially on tectonics cracks between empires the rules of choosing, fighting and dying for one side or another are different.

    无论如何。

    • 回复: @iffen
  186. anon[217]• 免责声明 说:

    The table showing Jewish enrollment in the Ivy League is really quite eye opening. I have long suspected that Jews have a stranglehold on Harvard. They will never let that go. Whoever controls Harvard controls the country, e.g. 2/3 of SCOTUS went to Harvard. The WASPs basically let go of the country when they let go of Harvard.

    The Jewish propensity to hang on to every penny is also showing itself in Harvard’s stingy financial aid. I did a Net Price Calculator comparison of all the top schools using our family income and Harvard is easily the stingiest of all the elite schools in giving financial aid, by at least 50%. Even schools like Caltech, University of Chicago with much smaller endowments beat Harvard by 50% in financial aid. This coming from a school with the richest endowment in the world is truly shameful.

    It’s also quite a coincidence that Princeton and Dartmouth, the two Ivies with the lowest Jewish enrollment, are also known as the two most academically rigorous schools in the Ivy League, with the least grade inflation. Harvard, meanwhile, is notorious for its grade inflation. A black student recently submitted a rap song for his senior thesis, and received an A-, allowing him to graduate with honors, along with 90% of his cohort.

  187. AaronB 说:
    @Talha

    Amendment accepted 🙂 You are of course more correct than I was. Thank you for making that correction.

    I

    ’m really hoping people are getting the crux of your advice – it is awesome! It is a really hopeful message.

    Alas there is little sign of that! At least among most white commenters here, who seem to be older men. It surprises me that nothing I have said strikes the faintest emotional chord. They seem not to like the big questions, and to want to wallow in a mass of trivialities. They will endlessly debate if Rommel had three or more tanks, could he possibly have performed slightly better in a minor battle in the African theater. This will consume them for hours. But addressing the despair at the heart of European civilization – silence.

    But so it is. As Ron Unz remarked somewhere, one writes for the invisible audience, which he says outnumber actual commenters 9 to 1 or something.

    • 回复: @Talha
  188. AaronB 说:
    @Talha

    漂亮的说。

    郑重同意。

  189. iffen 说:
    @peterAUS

    you may hate those Nazis but if by joining them you and your family survive, would you do that?

    决不!

    Just look at the millions and millions of Germans who refused to go along to get along and were killed for their obstinance. 🙂

    I have considerable German ancestry and if my ancestors could do it so could I!

    But, for most people of this world, especially on tectonics cracks between empires the rules of choosing, fighting and dying for one side or another are different.

    True enough, no quibble from me.

  190. Talha 说:
    @AaronB

    outnumber actual commenters 9 to 1 or something

    Wow – the silent majority indeed!

    郑重同意。

    It is as you said, there are somethings where you have to draw the line. No negotiating, no detailed discussion.

    Some guy starts talking pessimism and you see there’s no hope in him – don’t waste time; ignore or pity and move on. Too much exposure to those people can be toxic. Surround yourself with people of hope. Again, not those twiddling their thumbs, but those investing in the now with serious effort with a view that the payoff comes decades down the road – or even something they’ll never live to see. It’s like some cathedrals you read about that literally took generations to build; the first people just kept working, just kept working even though they had little hope to see the project to completion.

    This reminds of a couple of principles that my teachers have always stressed on us – predicated on these points:
    1. There is no room for despair for someone who sees beyond material causes and means:
    “…And ever give up hope of God’s Mercy. Certainly no one despairs of God’s Mercy, except the people who disbelieve.” (12:87)

    2. No matter the circumstances, do what you have to til your last breath, even if you will never see the result:
    “If the Day of Judgement comes upon one of you while he has a sapling in his hand, then let him plant it.” -Musnad of Imam Ahmad (ra) – this is a profound statement, because a sapling will never bear any benefit for years, but one plants it anyway knowing they are doing what is right

    Keep building up hope; those who get it will look forward to a future in which their progeny are eventually surviving and thriving. Others will go sulk in a corner and take themselves out of the running.

    和平:

    • 同意: AaronB
    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @manorchurch
  191. @Ron Unz

    Indeed, of the thirty top ranked students over the last three years, only a single one seems likely to have been Jewish. Similarly, Jews were over one-quarter of the top students in the Physics Olympiad from 1986 to 1997, but have fallen to just 5 percent over the last decade, a result which must surely send Richard Feynman spinning in his grave.

    Actually, the flourishing-and-decline pattern is something very common & ordinary. Some group may be excessively represented in various areas. From, say, 1770 to 1940, more than 60% of greatest mathematicians had been German-speaking individuals (Euler, Gauss, Weierstrass, Riemann, Felix Klein, Dirichlet, Cantor, Hilbert, Dedekind, Hermann Weyl, Goedel..- all Gentiles), the rest being mostly French (Lagrange, Laplace, Cauchy, Poisson, Galois, Jordan, Hermite, Poincare, Cartan..) and British (Hamilton, Boole,..) .

    Since Germans, Swiss,.. had not represented 60% of the Western world in that period, all this is highly unusual. How they came to be of such prominence?

    And after WWII, German contribution to mathematics plummeted.

    It is typical rise-and-fall trajectory, and all theories offered, from nature to nurture, fail to explain this phenomenon.

  192. utu 说:
    @Ron Unz

    I keep wondering how the meme of Jewish high IQ started and whether all this dubious IQ research is funded by Jewish money.

    Actually, I think this perspective is quite mistaken. As I discussed in my long Meritocracy analysis, for some decades academic achievement among American Jews was really quite extraordinary

    I meant the meme when expressed strictly in terms of IQ and what it signifies in the circles which see the IQ score as ultimate determinant of one’s destiny. This reductionist outlook overlooks all kinds of epistemological problems and unresolved issues associated with the concept of IQ. Nevertheless as I have learned here at this web pages it took over minds of seemingly intelligent and educated people like Steve Sailer or James Thompson who seem to be caught in the vicious circle of it unable to transcend it as if this IQism was in itself toxic. Once tainted with it your wings are clipped forever and you never will be able to fly as is exemplified by the two individuals who are caught up in meaningless IQ minutiae like how IQ is related to diet or longevity. The vulgarity of this scientism still offends me.

    That Jews were smart and had exceptional accomplishments it was, I think, commonly believed since their emancipation in 19 century but it was not thought as a mandate to be an elite but as a chance and opportunity particularly for aspiring and ambitious parents like in this funny Isaac Babel’s story. There was no biological determinism in it but a lot of ambition, drive and hard work.

    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/261001/awakening-short-story-isaac-babel
    我们圈子里的所有人——经纪人、店主、银行职员和轮船上班族——都教他们的孩子音乐。 我们的父亲看不到自己的未来,想出了一个彩票。 他们在小人物的骨头上演奏。 敖德萨比任何其他城市都更加痴迷于这种疯狂。 这是真的——几十年来,我们的城市为全世界的音乐厅提供了神童。 Mischa Elman、Zimbalist、Gabrilowi​​tsch 来自敖德萨,而 Jascha Heifetz 从我们的城市开始。

    当一个男孩四五岁的时候,他的母亲带着这个小而虚弱的生物去看扎古尔斯基先生。 扎古尔斯基经营着一家神童工厂,一家生产花边领子和小漆皮鞋的犹太矮人工厂。 他在摩尔达万卡的贫民窟,在旧集市的臭气熏天的庭院里寻找他们。 Zagursky 提供了最初的指导,然后孩子们被送到了圣彼得堡的 Auer 教授那里。 一种强大的和谐生活在这些饥饿的、蓝色、臃肿的脑袋的灵魂中。 他们成为了著名的演奏家。 所以我父亲决定跟随他们。 虽然我早已超过神童的年龄——我已经4多岁了——但我的身高和瘦弱的体格让我有可能被认为是一个5岁的孩子。 那就是希望。

    Before the IQism when people did not talk about talent in quantitative terms they also did not think too much in terms of heredity though they believed in it. The parents of wunderkinds in Babel’s story knew that most of all a lot of hard work and big investment were necessary for their children to succeed. The success was measure in financial terms. You were rewarded for your accomplishment on your merit which was really understood as a hard work and your parents investment.

    But now as IQism itself is becoming a meme we view the merit as genes not a hard work which also, btw is explainable with genes in the universe of IQism. Superior genes suppose to give you a mandate to become a part of the elite in the society that IQists think of as meritocracy but in fact they are setting themselves up, perhaps unknowingly, for the acceptance of a caste society. Ideas have consequences so I do not understand their shortsightedness unless they, presumably being high IQ, really want it that way.

    So if Jewish Putnam winners in 50 years fell from 40% to under 10% what does it tell us about explanatory power of IQ in the IQist universe? Is it possible that the hard work that went into making them 40% was the foundation of subsequent Jewish success and domination which is now lacking and thus a crutch of Jewish high IQ meme is needed to maintain and justify the status quo? If in 1950s there were Murrays, Cochrans, Sailers and Pinkers and Harrises who kept pumping up a meme of Episcopalian high IQ would WASP’s managed to stay in power for longer? Perhaps WASP’s actually believed in meritocracy and abhorred caste society and opted out from using this method of social engineering. Can we say the same of Jews? Will they relinquish power when hard working Asian wunderkinds start challenging them? This is the reason I insinuated a question about who is funding IQism? This is a legitimate question which is natural in my mind that often leans to conspiratorial thinking about hidden shenanigans. BTW, I have read recently that you funded Cochran at some point who seems to be obsessed with Jewish IQ. And you are Jewish, right? The bigger questions are who is pumping money to Ulster institute, where Pioneer Fund gets its money?

    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @utu
    , @Miro23
    , @Ron Unz
  193. AaronB 说:
    @Talha

    Some guy starts talking pessimism and you see there’s no hope in him – don’t waste time; ignore or pity and move on. Too much exposure to those people can be toxic. Surround yourself with people of hope. Again, not those twiddling their thumbs, but those investing in the now with serious effort with a view that the payoff comes decades down the road – or even something they’ll never live to see. It’s like some cathedrals you read about that literally took generations to build; the first people just kept working, just kept working even though they had little hope to see the project to completion.

    Good stuff! Bears repeating.

    No matter the circumstances, do what you have to til your last breath, even if you will never see the result:
    “If the Day of Judgement comes upon one of you while he has a sapling in his hand, then let him plant it.” -Musnad of Imam Ahmad (ra) – this is a profound statement, because a sapling will never bear any benefit for years, but one plants it anyway knowing they are doing what is right

    非常好!

  194. @Talha

    Some guy starts talking pessimism and you see there’s no hope in him – don’t waste time; ignore or pity and move on. Too much exposure to those people can be toxic. Surround yourself with people of hope.

    Pish. Surround yourself with pragmatists. This country, as configured in political theory, is doomed. Economically and politically, it is all over but the brushfire at the end. Loathsomely corrupt, rotten to the core — the collapse and dissolution of the USA is a 非常好 thing, not a bad thing.

    No matter the circumstances, do what you have to til your last breath, even if you will never see the result:

    Silliness. Do what you can to preserve resources and options until such time as resources and options can be deployed for optimum effect.

    Keep building up hope; those who get it will look forward to a future in which their progeny are eventually surviving and thriving.

    There is no hope for the existing USA, nor that much for the current world order. Don’t fatuously “hope” — take steps to put yourself and your desired culture in a position to emerge victorious at the end. What exists cannot be saved; it is no longer viable.

    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @Talha
  195. AaronB 说:
    @utu

    You’ve somehow summarized the many strands of the IQ question in a tidy little package. Thank you. This multi-year discussion on unz has made certain things clear, and they deserve highlighting.

    The role of effort, hard work, and motivation to IQ – and the attempt to ignore these primary factors to solidify a caste system that can no longer rely on merit for justification – deserves constant emphasis.

    • 回复: @utu
  196. anon[204]• 免责声明 说:

    You should trust a psychologist about as much as you should trust a lawyer, or a politician, or a journalist, or a Hollywood film maker, all fields dominated by Jews. An honest person cannot survive in such a field.

    • 同意: manorchurch
  197. utu 说:
    @utu

    I could have added this: “I doubt that the mediocre IQ Fraternal Order of Police is funding IQ research to get a psychological advantage over the Black Lives Matter. The stakes are not at the low end of the bell curve contrary to what Steve Sailer and his followers want to believe, but they are at the high end where the power is.”

  198. utu 说:
    @AaronB

    Thank you that you think it might be useful. Yes, this was a multi-year discussion for me. My first comment was on Dec. 14, 2015. It was all new to me then. I knew nothing about IQ and was astonished by the IQ language people used at this site. It was like studying a hermetic cult trying to figure out what is really behind it, what is true in it and what is false and what purpose does it serve.

    At this point I think it would be neat to get some idea where the money is flowing from. But questions about money can get you into real troubles.

    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @manorchurch
  199. AaronB 说:
    @manorchurch

    I don’t think you guys are disagreeing.

    I think the hope Talha is referring to is precisely the demise of the current system and something better arising.

    • 回复: @manorchurch
  200. Talha 说:
    @manorchurch

    What exists cannot be saved; it is no longer viable.

    I think you misread me. There is a lot of deadwood that needs to be cleared. I don’t think society in its current form is salvageable or even desirable. I was not asking to salvage the current framework or social structures.

    Something will emerge from the ashes; something that has adapted and has the hope to survive. What exact form it takes, I cannot know.

    和平:

    • 回复: @manorchurch
  201. AaronB 说:
    @utu

    Indred I see it as a very useful comment – a comprehensive summary of how things stand.

    The stakes are not at the low end of the bell curve contrary to what Steve Sailer and his followers want to believe, but they are at the high end where the power is.”

    This is undoubtedly correct. That’s why it’s do frustrating to see Sailor go after blacks and be soft on Jews.

    At this point I think it would be neat to get some idea where the money is flowing from.

    I agree. The money trail certainly clarifies matters – but I suspect it is larger even than money, and as you said, a caste trying to solidify it’s position, in which many individuals will participate independently, but since they are acting on the same impulse will appear to be coordinated.

    I knew nothing about IQ and was astonished by the IQ language people used at this site.

    Very interesting! It often takes fresh eyes to see through established prejudices.

    I was thinking about these issues about two years before you, and was making some of my arguments but in a much less sophisticated form. But I have learned so much since then, and your comments on this subject were invaluable to me

  202. utu 说:
    @jack daniels

    I am afraid that my knowledge might be outdated. There is some revisionism and conter-revisonist taking place in Russia and I do not know anymore which numbers can be trusted. Perhaps something A. Karlin wrote about and I think he might be the middle of the road guy who will not go with Stalin apologists who I did not know even existed until I begin to visit Saker’s and Karlin’s blogs. One thing is certain that Cheka, GPU and NKVD were heavily Jewish. There were different phases and stages. There were many local incidents and centrally coordinated actions extending through out the whole country. Different groups were targeted at different times. Often ethnically but also by profession. There were executions and camps sentences which often amounted to de facto death penalty. Then there were orchestrated famines which probably are responsible for the largest toll.

  203. @utu

    It all got serious with the Richwine paper, so I suppose there’s money trickling in from the rich. After all, who benefits from IQism? Steve Sailer has made a living out of it.

    Personally, I still find the whole scenario amusing. Like IQ makes any difference.

    • 回复: @utu
  204. @AaronB

    I think the hope Talha is referring to is precisely the demise of the current system and something better arising.

    Nah. Tears run down Talha’s cheeks as he prays for peace and a restoration of the drive to human freedom. Bla bla bla.

    Obstacles require removal. Hope won’t do that.

  205. @Talha

    Oh, yeah, peace. We need those “Christmas wishes” moments. Not.

    Burn the witches.

    • 回复: @Talha
  206. Miro23 说:
    @utu

    Perhaps WASP’s actually believed in meritocracy and abhorred caste society and opted out from using this method of social engineering. Can we say the same of Jews? Will they relinquish power when hard working Asian wunderkinds start challenging them?

    Now suddenly we discover high Asian IQ and find that Jewish IQ is going down the drain. And WASP IQ apparently built America – but where is it now? Also, what happened to Roman or British IQ? Has it declined since their days of Empire?

    The whole IQ question looks like a time wasting Ceteris Paribus argument. “Other things” are not equal, and these “other things” mostly determine the success or failure of societies.

    • 同意: utu
  207. I think KM is entirely correct in his view that the success of Jews in the US has to do with ingroup cohesion in an individualistic society that has a blind spot for group identity. Despite our growing domestic identitarian split, we still insist on regarding immigrants strictly as individuals instead of as potential cells in larger political entities. Different ethnic groups have always had different politics. Socialism is a secularized version of European Evangelical Christianity. Communism, on the other hand, is a secularized version of Ashkenazi Messianic Judaism. Thus the logic of Communism having a ready made conspiratorial fifth column of Jews thruout the West. And the logic of ostensibly Protestant Ivy League colleges becoming today entirely Socialist.

  208. RudyM 说:
    @Anonymous

    Thank god for Peterson with his commonsense advice and his adversity to toxic feminism and political correctness.

    Sometimes I really wish commenters (everywhere) would try to learn the English language.

    • 回复: @manorchurch
  209. @RudyM

    Sometimes I really wish commenters (everywhere) would try to learn the English language.

    Yeah. Kids these days! Do you know that public elementary schools do NOT teach cursive? Modern-day brats can only read caps.

    Plus, they don’t teach nonsense like nouns, verbs, adjectives, adverbs, punctuation, etc.

    Soon we return to the heyday of Neandertal culture — grunts and clicks.

  210. Talha 说:
    @manorchurch

    You say you want a revolution, well you know…

    Look if you want a civil war, I guess that’s fine. I’d look to see how Iraq, Libya and Syria are faring.

    I personally believe you don’t need to fire a single bullet. In fact, that is counterproductive as that will bring the full wrath of the state down on you. The most revolutionary thing to do these days is to do what they used to do about 60-70 years ago; raise stable, healthy families with traditional values – and connect with others doing the same – basically forging a way to “opt-out” of the wider society or at least form a strong support network. If one can’t keep a marriage together and convince own’s own kids of your values (you literally get to brainwash them all day), then no one needs take that person too seriously.

    和平:

    • 同意: Vojkan
  211. utu 说:
    @manorchurch

    I still find the whole scenario amusing. Like IQ makes any difference.

    I am not arguing that it makes any difference but beliefs make a difference. Belief in god is prerequisite in belief that all power comes from god. I am interested in power structure and what beliefs legitimize it and sustain the status quo.

    • 回复: @manorchurch
  212. utu 说:
    @FKA Max

    I am familiar with Bjerknes. He asks some good questions and points to some good evidence as well as to a lot of irrelevant trash. Then unfortunately he offers his answers which are way too simplistic.

    As far as Einstein is concerned there are two issues that can be dealt separately: (1) How much and in what circumstances Einstein borrowed from Lorentz and Poincare and later form Hilbert and how much he depended on various assistants doing math for him whom he never acknowledged and (2) How his fame and idol status can be explained? There is also a third issue which unfortunately is mixed in (also by Bjerknes) which is the validity of the theory which is entirely separate issue. Arguing the plagiarism of invalid theory is rather silly, nevertheless, it is done by people like Bjerknes.

    The first one should be dealt by historians of physics and not by YT commenters with poor understanding of physics. I have looked into it by reading Poincare and Lorentz papers in parallel with 1905 Einstein papers. I did not look into the Hilbert affair of 1916 which is also interesting because there is an evidence of after the fact of sanitization of evidence. I believe that 1905 was cleverly plagiarized but I do not have a definitive proof. I do not understand why there was no common front among physicists who could expose it. Is it because there was so much bad blood and hostility in the pre WWI Europe between the French and Germans? That Einstein was capable of plagiarism is proven by his 1927 paper that basically plagiarizes Klein’s 1926 paper which Einstein was familiar with as he wrote about it to Ehrenfest in 1926 praising it. This was very stupid on his part and it can only be explained by some mental deficit and very poor judgment at this time on his part. He was caught and kind of reprimanded but it was not publicized and forgotten. This fact is known among some physicists but I do not think the issue was ever addressed by his hagiographic biographers and keeper of his cult.

    The issue (2), i.e, the status of Einstein prevents historians digging into the issue (1) honestly. I can imagine that there still might be some letters or notes in archives that were not destroyed or sanitized that may give a direct proof. It would be vey liberating if textbooks of physics began to reflect how the theory of relativity was developed and similarities between Einstein and Poincare were emphasized and minor differences were deemphasized. Currently to maintain Einstein status and priority these differences are over emphasized. It would lead to a better understanding of the structure and the essence of the theory.

    I am not sure whether Kevin MacDonald wrote about Einstein, but clearly there is some similarity in his cult created by Jewish scientists, historians and publicists and then jealously guarded that is similar to cult like phenomena he observed in other Jewish lead scientific and cultural movements like Boas and Freud.

  213. utu 说:
    @jack daniels

    No, you do not get it. Usefulness of IQ’s is negligible. Because of this one should not use it as a story we tell about society because it solidifies the status quo by stigmatizing some groups and giving free pass some other groups. If you want to fight Democrats fight them on other platform they have abandoned. For instance have a party that fights for the woking men what Democrats used to do to some extend. Nobody fights for the woking men anymore. The woking men will come to you and abandon Democrats not only because they are also fed up with identity politics.

    • 回复: @Vojkan
  214. Vojkan 说:
    @jack daniels

    I think that every meme with the goal to present one particular group of people as having inherently more merit than the others, because of an innate quality and independently of concrete actions, stems from the ambition to rule of people belonging that group. ‘People with a higher IQ are entitled to rule over people with a lower IQ, IQ tests prove they’re smarter’ is essentially the same as ‘civilised whites are superior to savage blacks, white development proves it’ or ‘civilised Romans are superior to Celtic or Germanic barbarians, Roman literacy and organisation prove it’.
    Even if we assume the propositions as true on average, they are contrary to Christian ethics, as contrary as the propositions of SJWs/cultural Marxism. The propositions are exclusive, they put whole groups of people on the ‘wrong side of History’ and deny that actions stem from individual free will, whereas Christianity is inclusive, and treats individual free will in the exact opposite way.

  215. Tyrion 2 说:

    Since it is obvious that nothing like a quartet if students at Harvard are even slightly Jewish – the obvious explanation is that your data is wrong.

    “Oh, but the source is a Jewish organisation for Jewish students! Why would (((Hillel))) lie and massively exaggerate Jewish representation at the most prestigious universities?”

    Why would these Indians say that Da Vinci was Indian?

    Amazing how latching on to the nonsense claims of one non-serious organisation has led all you looms down an endless bad faith rabbit hole.

    To be fair to Hillel, it seems that that they weren’t making it up. They merely exaggerated their case by making anybody with any Jewish family at all into a Jew for the purpose of their superficial sectarian boasting.

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  216. Mishra 说:
    @PV van der Byl

    We’re not supposed to notice things like that. Anyway chosenites need not form absolute majorities of grad-school (or any) admissions committees in order to hold sway. They were not a majority of the committees I served on but they included the chairman, and that made all the difference.

  217. Vojkan 说:
    @utu

    I think the obsession with IQ we see from people on the Right has to do with decades of leftist propaganda repeating that Left is intellectual, open-minded, progressive while Right is daft, narrow-minded, reactionary. IQ is supposed to prove that prejudice wrong but trying to prove the Left wrong on that is accepting the Left’s terms for public debate, it’s a losing tactic and, you are right about it, it’s alienating the people the Left has completely let down and without whom it’s impossible to reconquer lost territory.

    • 回复: @utu
  218. @utu

    I am not arguing that it makes any difference but beliefs make a difference. Belief in god is prerequisite in belief that all power comes from god. I am interested in power structure and what beliefs legitimize it and sustain the status quo.

    Beliefs make no difference. Perhaps the application of power makes a difference, but beliefs are empty constructs only. If many men believe that women should cover their heads, it is not belief that effects the rule; it is power.

    Perhaps I’m chopping logic a bit too finely, but consider that beliefs are infinitely malleable. A head-cover rule may result from being told that demons will take the uncovered woman, or that the uncovered woman becomes unfaithful. There is no true reason to fideistic belief.

    What one might call a “belief” that is based in fact is not really a “belief”; it is verifiable knowledge. Dynamite does not explode because you and I 相信 it will explode. Dynamite explodes because that is its nature. One is free to believe that dynamite will not explode, but that belief has no effect on the dynamite.

    • 巨魔: utu
  219. @anon

    Jews succeed in commerce because that is the one field that requires the most dishonesty and clannishness to succeed.

    As a generalization, that is particularly stupid.

    In commerce, success is to those who provide the best value for money. And value for money includes honest representation, reliability and good prices. Thus, in a competitive market, Jews, like others, do well insofar as they demonstrate superior competence, not reliance on clannish influence or swindling.

  220. utu 说:
    @Vojkan

    Identity politics on the Left and IQism on the Right are two sides of the same coin. They produce the same outcome which is division and fragmentation. Actually IQism complements the identity politics because it establishes or justifies the hierarchy who can peck whom. Both sides are dominated by useful idiots who have no clue that have been played.

    • 同意: Vojkan
    • 巨魔: manorchurch
  221. Ron Unz 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    Since it is obvious that nothing like a quartet if students at Harvard are even slightly Jewish – the obvious explanation is that your data is wrong.

    Well, perhaps. But for decades these figures have been accepted as approximately correct by The New York Times and every other major media outlet in America, as well as by every serious academic scholar interested in the subject. And the figures also roughly correspond with my own personal impressions when I attended Harvard myself during the 1980s.

    So what makes you so absolutely sure that you are correct and absolutely everyone else has always been so totally wrong? My impression is that you’re just some “excitable” foreign Jew with no connection whatsoever to Harvard or other elite American universities.

    • 回复: @Tyrion 2
  222. Ron Unz 说:
    @utu

    Well, my impression is that the “IQist model” gradually arose as an attempt to explain exceptionally high levels of Jewish achievement rather than anything else. Herrnstein’s articles of the late 1960s appeared near the peak of relative Jewish accomplishment.

    Remember, I only published my Meritocracy analysis a few years ago, and I think up until that point it was very widely believed in elite circles that American Jews constituted something like 1/4 to 1/3 of all the highest-ability Americans, a belief that was probably never actually correct but which at least had had a certain amount of circumstantial supportive evidence at various points in the past. One reason I felt I needed to accumulate such a mountain of data for my own contrary position was that I needed to overcome such a huge presumptive barrier.

    For example, Richard Lynn had published his book THE CHOSEN PEOPLE only a year or two earlier, and although some points of the underlying data were actually contrary, I believe the overall tone quietly reflected that elite consensus:

    https://www.unz.com/book/richard_lynn__the-chosen-people/

    In fact, I remember when my article ran, lots of “anti-Semites” declared that they were utterly stunned at my findings, and their entire understanding of Jews had been overturned.

    And if everyone believes that the “empirical” data supposedly shows that Jews constitute roughly 1/4 to 1/3 of the smartest Americans, it’s pretty natural for quantitative types to play around a little with the IQ data to try to come up with a consistent explanatory factor, including relying upon the spurious IQ=115 average or talking about “fat tails” or whatever.

    Peterson’s problem is just that he’s relying upon an outdated analysis. Frankly, prior to my Meritocracy findings I really don’t think too many people would have strongly argued with him.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  223. Mishra 说:
    @AaronB

    You’ve identified someone as a Jew. You do not engage him in serious conversation on serious topics.

    As Jews themselves love to remind us

    Given that you’ve said you were raised as an Orthodox Jew, does this mean you have renounced your heritage, or what?

    Mind you, I think that’s a freedom everyone should enjoy, but you repeatedly refer to Jews as “they” and “them” and I also hear Jews saying if you were born Jewish and raised Jewish then you’re Jewish no matter what you say or do.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  224. Mishra 说:
    @anon

    I’ve lost a lot of respect for Caltech. My son is a huge fan and dreams of attending that school. Now I will probably have him cross it off the list.

    Indeed, it doesn’t speak well of Caltech but I wonder which other of America’s top colleges you’ll find to be less ‘affected’…

  225. Mishra 说:
    @iffen

    Anti-Semitism comes first

    LOL. QFH! I hear it oozed out of the primordial oceans and never, ever had anything to do with the Chosenites themselves or anything any of them may have said or done. Love it! Just love it!

    Also, heard it before.

  226. Mishra 说:
    @iffen

    I would rather be ruled by an ugly, transgendered, fat faggoty tattooed low IQ bull dyke than a bunch of Hitler worshippers.

    Why did you leave Negroes out of your false equation? Racist? That’s my guess.

  227. @Ron Unz

    Is not the question of Jewish IQ a lot more complicated than most people realize?

    Tyrion 2’s question as to who is a Jew raises the further question as to what extent Jewish genetics overlap with Jewish identity and culture? Some Jews marry out and lose their Jewish identity in the process, whereas some non-Jews marry in and acquire a Jewish identity.

    What exactly is happening here? Given that Jewish culture in America promotes upward mobility, is it not reasonable to assume that non-Jews who marry successful Jews and assume a Jewish identity for themselves and their children are, like their spouses, of generally above average intelligence (Ivanka Trump and Chelsea Clinton, for example). Likewise, downwardly mobile Jews, who are more likely to be of below average ability, will be among those most likely to abandon their Jewish identity, if only because of the high cost of synagogue membership.

    The same kind of dynamics would presumably affect the more or less equally high-IQ population of Episcopalians. If some such selective processes are at work, it would indicate that the relatively high mean IQ of Jews is simply an artifact of selection and that in a totally inbreeding Jewish population without immigration or emigration, Jewish IQ would not be notably elevated.

    Kevin MacDonald has, I believe, considered the eugenic implications of Jewish social policy and behaviour. Perhaps he will comment.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  228. @CanSpeccy

    One implication of the thesis I have just stated, is that there must be more Jewish derived genes in the US population than the acknowledged number of Jews in the US would suggest. In particular, while Jewish names generally indicate Jewish identity among Harvard students and scholars, this may not be true among, say, blue collar workers or the unemployed, among whom the Jewish identity is more likely to have been abandoned.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  229. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @FKA Max

    This headline is hilarious to me, because it sounds so melodramatic…

    “The Shameful, Unethical Smearing of Jordan Peterson”

    You know, Jordan Peterson must be a real threat to the mainstream, a true dark intellectual renegade, when 每周标准 https://www.weeklystandard.com/jonah-cohen/the-forward-publishes-a-hit-job-accusing-jordan-peterson-of-jew-hatred rushes to his defense because someone suggested that he just might possibly be less than entirely philosemitic.
    [...]
    It’s interesting, is it not, that it is so important for the media – supposedly Peterson’s enemy, who, we are told are just waiting to pounce on any mistake it can use to ruin him – to defend him from discrediting and disqualification? After this and 纽约时报 puff piece, how much more confirmation do you require to accept that he is Fake Opposition?

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/05/in-defense-of-jordan-peterson.html

    I don’t always agree with 沃克斯节, but he has Peterson and the cult of personality created for and around him by the (mostly Jewish neoncon) media pretty much nailed down and figured out, in my opinion.

    Jordan Peterson fanboys have been giving him a hard time over at Mr. Sailer’s blog, but I think he is spot on in his observations:

    与 XNUMX 世纪之前的人类不同,人类已经超越了叙事思维,这是一件好事,或者人们可能会怀疑史蒂夫赛勒家的约旦学家收藏有罪。 当然,这个小合集甚至没有开始解决 YouTube 上的许多评论,这些评论坚持认为我只是在批评 Jordanetics,因为我确实如此,而且为了充分理解“果冻”的情绪,确实必须引用一位特定的绅士。
    [...]
    Of course as one wiser commenter noted, I agree in your description of VD’s personality, yet you do not address any of the arguments he has made. Weak sauce, that. And the differences between VD and JP are not small. They are at the foundations of their respective philosophies. Understanding this would require, again, reading what they have written.

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/05/the-critical-narrative.html

  230. @Swan Knight

    I think it depends on whether you think “admissions committee” is singular or not.

  231. Tyrion 2 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Well, perhaps. But for decades these figures have been accepted as approximately correct by The New York Times and every other major media outlet in America, as well as by every serious academic scholar interested in the subject

    This is a minor subject of interest mostly only to Jews. It ranks somewhere below Sandy Koufax in silly reasons for fleeting pride.

    Most have no reason to think deeply about it. The non-Jews interested in it tend to be lunatics who, in mirror image of the Indian comedian linked to above, see Jews everywhere and in everything. Much like how Assad’s enemies say he is secretly Jewish whereas his allies said Al Baghdadi was.

    And the figures also roughly correspond with my own personal impressions when I attended Harvard myself during the 1980s.

    Your article is a great moral lesson and example of the old adage that:

    the first generation makes it, the second generation spends it, and the third generation blows it.

    Your impressions from the 80s are consistent with what would have resulted from high school achievement in the 80s with a little adjustment for part of the country, anyway.

    The 2000s and 2010s are another generation. Indeed, they’re my generation. I know a good number of people who went to Harvard – admittedly none of them Jewish, but they’d laugh at someone who claimed that a quarter of their classmates were Jewish. To me, deferring to the fact that I actually am, they merely expressed extreme surpise and mentioned how hard it is to tell.

    I personally remember in the 2000s being told by the Chief Rabbi, normally a temperate man, that 10% of Oxbridge students were Jewish. I took his statement as it was intended – as mild, superficial, ethnic mythos – I knew absolutely that there was no way it could be true.

    So what makes you so absolutely sure that you are correct and absolutely everyone else has always been so totally wrong?

    There’s no standard applied to everyone else’s data. They’re merely repeating one another, mostly reinforced by their experiences from the 80s and before. It pains Jews to admit that the 3 generation adage is proving true for their children, so they don’t look too closely. It also has use for everyone else. Even Hillel is publishing less silly figures now. They state that Harvard is 12% Jewish in their latest edition.

    My impression is that you’re just some “excitable” foreign Jew with no connection whatsoever to Harvard or other elite American universities.

    I don’t think it matters who I am. This whole topic has been set in motion by a hokey Jewish student organisation’s silly puffed up figures. I can find only slightly less credible stats claiming that all of the British Royals have actually been black since the 17th Century. There are even plenty of mainstream sources which concur!

    As for “excitable”, I’ve spent my whole life reading alternative news and opinion sources. I like to read, I like new ideas and Steve Sailer is an absolute hero of mine. I generally just ignored the Jewish stuff – it didn’t really bother me as I only had a passing acquaintance with any other Jews. Indeed, I thought I had learned some stuff about Judaism from these sources!

    It was therefore incredibly surreal to see how hugely distorted so much of the commentary from those sources was on Jews, when I began, for various conventional reasons, to attend services and so on.

    Now, reading so much of this Jew-obsessed stuff is like seeing someone stood in the middle of the road staring right at a mirage of an ant which somehow, to them, appears like a truck hurtling in their direction, even while a very real bus is about to run them over from the left while they’re looking the wrong way.

    You mention the bus, but they babble at you that you’re trying to distract them from the truck. You try to point out that the truck is but an ant and they claim that you’re a paid up agent of the secret truck conspiracy to hit them. Indeed, anyone who doesn’t obsess over the supposed truck 100% of the time is actually a paid up agent of the truck. It is maddening.

    It also inevitably discredits these sources even on other topics in my eyes. Just as ‘red-pilling’ someone on the fact that most journalism is hopelessly imcompetent is as simple as asking them to reflect upon journalism’s accuracy in their individual sphere of expertise, if, of course, they have an area of genuine expertise. Then so much of this commentary on Jews is so laughably wrong that it leaves me wondering what else is complete nonsense.

    Finally, if your point is to try to get society’s elite to be better then it would help to not begin with statements that they know, without doubt, are not true. Claiming that Jews control everything, to the people who actually control everyhing, and who know they are mostly not Jewish, is a pretty awful start.

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
    , @FKA Max
    , @CanSpeccy
  232. @CanSpeccy

    But according to Tyrion 2 @ #235, I am wrong to accept Ron Unz’s assumption that Jewish names generally indicate Jewish identity at Harvard. Nevertheless, if retention of Jewish identity is related to socio-economic success, my assumption that Jewish names at Harvard are more likely to indicate Jewish identity than Jewish names among those of the US population as a whole remains valid. That being the case, my thesis that above-average IQ of individuals with typical Jewish names is at least in part the result of (a) Jewish males marrying out, (b) assortative mating, and (c) the increasing probability of the loss of Jewish identity with declining socio-economic status.

    From those assumptions it follows, first, that a significant proportion of genes of high IQ Jews originate from outside the Jewish gene pool, and second, that some genes of low IQ non-Jews originate from the Jewish gene pool.

    Thus, insofar as it is the case that Jews have higher IQs than the general population, this can be attributed at least in part to the eugenic consequences of Jewish reproductive behavior.

  233. @Afina

    Poor JP. The man vigorously and courageously defied the Trudeau-led Government’s tyrannical project to compel certain kinds of 白痴, but highly toxic, compelled speech. For this, Peterson should always be remembered by Canadians with gratitude. Unfortunately, because of the resulting celebrity, he has been elevated to the status of “public intellectual,” a role for which he is clearly ill-prepared.

    Let us, therefore, remember him for his achievement in sparing university professors the humiliating necessity of referring to their most obnoxious students by whatever silly made-up pronouns such as “ze” and “zir,” and “his majesty,” they might demand, while allowing him to return with dignity to his academic role, passing on the great IQist myth to another generation of undergraduate psychologists.

  234. AaronB 说:
    @Mishra

    是的,差不多。

    What Jews say among themselves does not matter to me.

    • 回复: @Mishra
  235. Mishra 说:
    @AaronB

    Well more power to you–seriously. The loudest voices in the MSM (and elsewhere) are always telling us that 一些 of us are supposed to be captive to ‘identity of origin’ (as they define it) while 其他类 are free to be as ‘transgressive’ and ‘intersectional’ as they want.

    I say we should all have the freedom to make our own way as we see fit, and I reserve some of my highest respect for those (like Ron Unz and apparently yourself) who see well beyond the strictures of primitive tribalism.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  236. AaronB 说:
    @Mishra

    To be fair, ethnically I’m half jewish, though I was raised orthodox.

    但是谢谢你。

    However, I am against individualism and do think we all must choose a group, and things like pride in race and pride in ancestors are hugely important. It’s just that there are always peripheral figures like me, and apparently unz.

  237. Sam Shama 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    A very worthy comment, one which I applaud without reservations.

    You have to understand Ron Unz. He has a wicked sense of humour and loves to play multi-dimensional chess. Not to mention the hobby of collecting a large stable of barmy conspiracy theorists.

    • 回复: @geokat62
  238. geokat62 说:
    @Sam Shama

    Not to mention the hobby of collecting a large stable of barmy conspiracy theorists.

    Curious to see if you think Giraldi and/or MacDonald should be included in this large stable.

    • 回复: @Vojkan
  239. Vojkan 说:
    @geokat62

    Noticing the overrepresentation of Jews in certain sectors of activity or the euphemistic descriptions by the MSM and the majority of politicians of the latest Gaza massacre or how every US politician feels sucking up to AIPAC is a mandatory step for career advancement is being a “barmy conspiracy theorist”. I fully assume being called so.

  240. NotAJew 说:
    @Anonymous

    What happens here changes the world

  241. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @Tyrion 2

    Even Hillel is publishing less silly figures now. They state that Harvard is 12% Jewish in their latest edition.

    I don’t know which edition you are referring to, but I found this 2015 edition http://www.hillel.org/about/news-views/news-views---blog/news-and-views/2015/06/24/2015-top-60-schools-by-jewish-student-population , which, indeed, lists the percentage of Jewish undergraduates for Harvard at 12%, but did you also check the Jewish share of the graduate population, a whooping 67%(!!!) according to 希勒尔. These numbers combined make Harvard’s Jewish student population ~33% of the student body.:

    6712 Undergrads
    4326毕业生
    803* (12%)Jewish Undergrads(Percent of Population)
    2892* (67%)Jewish Graduates(Percent of Population)

    http://hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/harvard-university 存档的链接: http://archive.is/OyKJC

    耶鲁大学:

    5472 Undergrads
    6986毕业生
    800* (15%)Jewish Undergrads(Percent of Population)
    1500* (21%)Jewish Graduates(Percent of Population)

    http://hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/yale-university 存档的链接: http://archive.is/vVkkL

    哥伦比亚:

    6158 Undergrads
    18800毕业生
    1500* (24%)Jewish Undergrads(Percent of Population)
    3500* (19%)Jewish Graduates(Percent of Population)

    http://www.hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/columbia-university 存档的链接: http://archive.is/iNV3J

    I personally remember in the 2000s being told by the Chief Rabbi, normally a temperate man, that 10% of Oxbridge students were Jewish. I took his statement as it was intended – as mild, superficial, ethnic mythos – I knew absolutely that there was no way it could be true.

    The 10% figure is definitely an exaggeration, since I have looked into these numbers/estimates, which are about 2-3% for Cambridge and Oxford, but one has to remember that Jews are only 0.5% of the UK student population and highly concentrated in only a few elite, so-called “Jewniversities”:

    在 113 所高等教育机构(伯明翰大学、剑桥大学、利兹大学、曼彻斯特大学、诺丁汉大学、牛津大学、伦敦国王学院和伦敦大学学院)中,一半的犹太学生仅就读于 9 所,而全国学生团体的这一比例为 XNUMX%
    [...]
    对质量的关注体现在以下事实中:
    NJSS 受访者的可能性几乎是其四倍
    作为学生进入英国的精英大学
    general. Almost 17% of NJSS respondents attend
    一直排名的机构
    自 2008/09 年以来的前五名,近 29%
    参加那些一直排在前十名的人
    在同一时期。

    [...]
    与任意数量的犹太学生交谈,您会发现很少有人不熟悉“犹太大学”。 犹太社区中的一个精通术语,Jewniversities,或简称“Jewnis”,是那些拥有最大比例的犹太学生的学校。

    Leading the way are Birmingham, Leeds, Nottingham, Manchester, Oxford and Cambridge: in fact, the Union of Jewish Students (UJS) estimates that 61 per cent of UK Jewish students attended just these six universities in 2014. The question is, why?

    https://www.unz.com/article/what-the-alt-right-gets-wrong-about-jews/#comment-2250087

    By the way, Jordan Peterson has been lecturing at Harvard for many years, this lecture is from 1996:

    Jordan Peterson: Maps of Meaning 1 (Harvard Lectures)

    • 回复: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Tyrion 2
  242. Anon[328]• 免责声明 说: • 您的网站
    @Glenfilthie

    Good lord, if you think those men are “cretins”, your real views will be either dumbly strangled lib-hurrr-tarian or you’re simply a spineless “Republican” worm. Either way, you are not an asset to us, and you are dismissed. Get your hand of the sofa and go pack your sh’t.

  243. @FKA Max

    Although I am not too much interested in the topic of Jewish representation in institutions of higher learning, I’ve followed the link you gave. And only two clicks were enough to show its unreliability.

    Here’s Hillel (I think it’s Jewish center, like Newman for Catholics): http://hillel.org/college-guide/list

    http://hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/california-institute-of-technology

    美国加州理工学院

    979 Undergrads 1261 Graduates 0* (0%) Jewish Undergrads 0* (0%) Jewish Graduates

    http://hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/brandeis-university

    布兰代斯大学

    3608 Undergrads 2121 Graduates 1600* (44%) Jewish Undergrads 400* (19%) Jewish Graduates
    ...... ..

    Sorry, but these data (including those for Harvard, Yale,..) are not to be trusted.

    • 回复: @Bardon Kaldian
  244. @Bardon Kaldian

    Moreover, why these figures can’t be trusted. From Hillel list, this is about Technion University in Israel:

    http://hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/technion-israel-institute-of-technology

    以色列理工学院

    9308 Undergrads 3620 Graduates 9308* (100%) Jewish Undergrads 3620* (100%) Jewish Graduates

    所以,那将是 100%犹太人. 很公平。

    But, according to Wikipedia & linked to Israeli higher education sources:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technion_%E2%80%93_Israel_Institute_of_Technology#Demographics

    The percentage of Arab students at the Technion equals the percentage of the general Arab population in Israel: 20%.[79] [80]

    So much for various sources & their reliability….

    • 回复: @FKA Max
  245. @Tyrion 2

    I know a good number of people who went to Harvard – admittedly none of them Jewish, but they’d laugh at someone who claimed that a quarter of their classmates were Jewish.

    They might laugh, but do they know what they are laughing about? Here’s a list of what are said to be Jewish last names I just took off a Web page: Abadi, Abate, Abeles, Abelman, Abelson, Abend, Abendroth, Aberman … How many non-Jewish students at Harvard would recognize those as Jewish names, i.e., names of people of Jewish origins? Not many, I suspect. Therefore, your argument is vacuous. The question is, whether the Unz criterion for identifying a Jew, by supposedly Jewish last names, is valid.

    I personally remember in the 2000s being told by the Chief Rabbi, normally a temperate man, that 10% of Oxbridge students were Jewish. I took his statement as it was intended – as mild, superficial, ethnic mythos – I knew absolutely that there was no way it could be true.

    You knew “absolutely that there was no way it could be true”, but you don’t say how you absolutely knew, so why should we take your certainty as being in any way indicative of the truth?

    Ten percent of the pupils at the English school that I attended were said to be Jews, and most students of that school went on to either Oxford or Cambridge, thereby making a contribution to the Jewish population at those places consistent with the claim of the Chief Rabbi.

    However, none of the Jews at the school I attended kept the Sabbath or refrained from eating strangled pork on Friday’s or whatever it is that the law enjoins them not to do. Therefore, the only students that I indentified as Jews was a friend who told me he was a half-Jewish/Austrian atheist, and a fellow in my class with a fine Sephardic shnozz.

    So despite cheers from certain individuals as unforthcoming with valid evidence as yourself, your dismissal of Unz’s findings on Jewish representation at institutions of higher education seems baseless.

    • 回复: @Anon
    , @Tyrion 2
  246. Anon[328]• 免责声明 说: • 您的网站
    @Tono Bungay

    And THEN ypu watched 3 minutes of one of his videos and realized you had a baseless and irrelevant opinion on him, even as tens of thousands of people think he’s pretty damn good.
    Thanks for sharing though.

  247. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @Bardon Kaldian

    我相信 希勒尔 simply does not have adequate data on Technion University and simply put the percentage at 100%, which is not an unreasonable thing to do, in my opinion, since the university is based in (the Jewish state of) Israel. They also don’t have any data on the male/female ratio which is further indication that their data for that particular school is inadequate: “Female/Male 0%/0%” – http://hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/technion-israel-institute-of-technology

    关于 加州理工学院, the Jewish student population might be under 1%, for all I know:

    We may have a small Jewish population, but conversely, this allows students to have a substantial say in the organization of Hillel events and to become leaders in the Jewish community.

    http://hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/california-institute-of-technology

    I don’t know what “small Jewish population” means, but 20 Jewish students would be under 1% of the 加州理工学院 学生团体。

    奥本 they list these figures for example:

    22658 Undergrads
    5632毕业生
    100* (0%)Jewish Undergrads(Percent of Population)
    25* (0%)Jewish Graduates(Percent of Population)

    http://hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/auburn-university

    The point being, 希勒尔 does not seem to tend to always exaggerate Jewish enrollment numbers as commenter 提利昂2 在案件 Technion University even with inadequate data they only exaggerated the number by 25% (100% Jewish students instead of 80%). With 加州理工学院 they probably underestimated them.

    If we assume a similar exaggeration rate for 哈佛 在... Technion工业, for example, this would still put the Jewish student population at over 25% of undergraduate and graduate students combined. But I personally believe 哈佛 希勒尔 numbers are much more reliable than their figures for Technion工业 or 加州理工学院等等。

    I am not claiming these numbers are perfect but they are useful and should not outrightly be dismissed as unreliable.

    • 回复: @Bardon Kaldian
  248. @Tono Bungay

    Jordan Peterson strikes me as someone who … is conceited enough to imagine that his opinion on everything is worth other people’s time.

    A fault shared, perhaps, by most people commenting here.

    But so what? Peterson was right to denounce and refuse state-dictated forms of speech in Justin Trudeau’s totalitarian-Liberal, post-national utopia. That was an important and courageous stand, and if as a consequence Peterson now has a higher platform from which to pronounce on all and sundry moral and political questions, that’s a price I’m willing to pay. No one is right about everything. Let us hope Peterson learns something from the backlash that his broad-ranging sermonizing has evoked.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  249. Anon[198]• 免责声明 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    Here is a list of Harvard Law Review staff.

    I shall try an experiment– to check names that are probably Jewish, and names that are plausibly Jewish.

    [更多]

    Yasmina Abdel-Malek -n
    Audrey L. Adu-Appiah -n
    Paulina D. Arnold -pr. (1)
    Segun I. Babatunde II -n
    Laura B. Bakst -pr. 2
    Simon J. Barnicle -n
    Robert A. Batista -n
    Seth Robert Berliner -pr. 3
    David C. Beylik -pl. 1
    Leila Bijan -n
    Katrina M. Braun -pr. 4
    Molly Brown -pl. 2
    Jeff Campbell -n
    Sarah L. Catalano -n
    Grayson E. Clary -n
    Zachary Copeland -pr. 5
    Catherine M. Coquillette -pl. 3 (very improbable)
    Caroline Cox -n
    Kevin P. Crenny -n
    Christian S. Daniel -n (going by first name)
    Taylor R. Davis -n
    Yoseph Desta -n
    Frederick J. Ding -n
    anneke dunbar-gronke -n
    Clare J. Duncan -pl. 4
    Adabelle U. Ekechukwu -n
    Blake J. Ellison -n
    Daniel E. Farewell -n
    Imani Renee Franklin -n
    Harleen K. Gambhir -n
    Cary A. Glynn -n
    Jenya Godina -n
    Mary E. Goetz -pl. 5
    Sandra I. González Sánchez -n
    Chloe K. Goodwin -pl. 6
    Emerson Gordon-Marvin -n
    Max Gottschall -pl. 7
    Harry S. Graver – pr. 6
    Matthew P. Griechen -n
    Victoria Hall-Palerm -n
    Andrew Leon Hanna -n
    Noah Heinz -pr. 7
    Andrew R. Hellman -pr. 8
    Colin M. Herd -n
    Tre A. Holloway -n
    Dennis D. Howe -pl. 8
    Chandler S. Howell -n
    Ellora Thadaney Israni -n
    Ginger Jackson-Gleich -pr. 9
    Jyoti Jasrasaria -n
    Madeline B. Jenks -pl. 9
    Ben Jernigan -n
    Madeleine Joseph -pr. 10
    Alexandra C. Jumper -n
    Sarah Kahwash -n
    Caitlin Kearney -n
    Kevin Keller -pl. 10
    Alex King -n
    Alexa Kissinger pr. 11
    Cason Kynes -n
    Harry Perlmuth Larson -pr. 12
    Jesse Lempel -pr. 13
    David W. Li -n
    Molly Ma -n
    Sarah Loucks -n
    Paul Maneri -n
    Marissa L. Marandola -n
    Rebecca D. Martin -pr. 13
    Hannah Mullen -pr. 14
    Raeesa Imraan Munshi -n
    Alisan L. Oliver-Li -n
    Daniel L. Ottaunick -n
    Catherine Padhi -n
    Isaac Park -n
    David A. Phillips -n
    Bradley Pough -n
    Vinitra Rangan -n
    Alexandra Remick -n
    Dawson K. Robinson -n
    Steven Schaus -n
    Peter L. Schmidt -n
    Kathleen Smith Shelton -n
    Spencer D. Smith -n
    Zach ZhenHe Tan -n
    Ariel T. Teshuva -pr. 15
    Robin Tholin -n
    Michael L. Thomas, Jr. -n
    Daniel P. Tingley -n
    ImeIme Umana -n
    Nicholas A. Varone -n
    Alice X. Wang -n
    Jessica Y. Zhang -n

    Names that I think are very unlikely to be Jewish are marked “n” and I think the rest is self-explanatory (pr->probable, pl->plausible, in case I was wrong). On reflection I should probably have added another gradation. Anyway 15/92 probable -> 16.3%, while (15+10=25)/92 plausible -> 27.2%. I would think most of my “plausibles” are pretty unlikely though.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  250. @Anonymous

    >> The most despicable commenters here are the ones who disingenuously say, “Jews succeed because they work hard, and losers blame all their problems on innocent Jews. You guys are just as bad as the minorities blaming white people for all their problems.”

    Yes, and we’re fooling ourselves if we believe for one moment that all those commenters aren’t Jews.

    Peterson himself is probably Jewish, as Steve Sailer seemed to hint recently (saying that Daniel Day-Lewis should play Peterson in a biopic–actually brilliant casting, although Day-Lewis is no longer young enough to play the younger Peterson).

    Peterson’s media celebrity was constructed by a Jewish TV producer, Wodek Szemberg:
    http://alt-right.com/2018/05/12/jordan-peterson-hand-selected-jewish-tv-producer-lead-dissent/

  251. Tyrion 2 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    You knew “absolutely that there was no way it could be true”, but you don’t say how you absolutely knew, so why should we take your certainty as being in any way indicative of the truth

    I don’t have a way to prove the percentage Jewish population at a university. My point is that no-one does. My absolute certainty about Oxford comes from personal experience. You can ignore it. I don’t care. So far the only evidence supporting any of this stuff is from Hillel House. Which is not a credible stats gatherer and has a vested interest in ethnic boosterism.

    It is cute to turn such superficial boosterism in on itself, and it make a sharp moral lesson in how even pleasant falsehoods have unpleasant effects (e.g tabula rasa) but to construct such a complicated case on it, is to build on quicksand.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  252. Tyrion 2 说:
    @FKA Max

    The divergence between grad and undergrad degrees is amazing, if true. There’s something quite decadent about a lot of grad degrees. It is also quite self-indulgent to do one at Harvard because you failed to get in the first time.

  253. @Tyrion 2

    I don’t have a way to prove the percentage Jewish population at a university. My point is that no-one does.

    But Ron Unz says he does have a way to prove the percentage of Jewish population at a university. He says the percentage can be determined from the proportion of Jewish names. So rather than making a bald denial of Unz’s claim unsupported by any evidence or logic, why not tell us in what way the Unz method is invalid? The issue is, obviously, somewhat complicated. It involves the question of what is a Jew. Is it a matter of descent, of belief, culture or what? And if there is a correlation, what is the degree of correlation between “Jewish names” and being a Jew, however being a Jew is defined. To support your claim, you have to show why so-called Jewish names are not correlated to a significant degree with Jewishness, however defined. So let’s hear the argument please.

    • 回复: @utu
    , @Tyrion 2
  254. @Anon

    OK, that’s good. It supports Unz’s claim that there are plenty of Jews at Harvard. However, that conclusion depends on the validity of the Unz method, which as I discuss at #258 needs validation. Or at any rate, if Tyrion 2 has an argument, he needs to show why it is that the Unz method is invalid.

  255. utu 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    You are wasting time with this guy. Obviously you can be quite accurate using names to pick Jews from a list in America. It would be harder in Eastern Europe where there was more crypsis and name changing particularly after WWII because (1) war trauma and (2) Jews moving to communist government positions. There are ambiguities with German names form Mid West, Colorado and Texas and with Slavic names but probability that somebody in media or politics with last name ending -ski is Polish is probably lower than that he is Jewish. Mika Brzezinski is an exception.

    Perhaps it would be harder in UK where changing names was more common, I think (Robert Maxwell, Tom Stoppard).

  256. @FKA Max

    If we assume a similar exaggeration rate for 哈佛 在... Technion工业, for example, this would still put the Jewish student population at over 25% of undergraduate and graduate students combined. But I personally believe Harvard Hillel numbers are much more reliable than their figures for Technion工业 or 加州理工学院等等。

    I am not claiming these numbers are perfect but they are useful and should not outrightly be dismissed as unreliable.

    为什么?

    First- why would anyone believe in such a discrepancy between Jewish undergraduates & graduates in Harvard, while all other elite universities, according to Hillel, have more or less the same figure for both categories (Stanford, MIT, Princeton, Duke, UPenn, Brown, ..), including very prominent other universities (University of Chicago, Carnegie Mellon, Boston University,..)? Why would Harvard and only Harvard be such an outlier?

    Then, why would we believe Hillel for Harvard, and not for Technion and CalTech? If they are to be corrected, then this correction should include all their data. Take a sample of, say, 20-30 universities, see which is the percentage for all of them, and try to notice anomalies which are easily detectable.

    Evidently, Technion, Harvard & Caltech data are anomalous re different aspects & need to be corrected.

  257. Tyrion 2 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    Can you help me out by pointing to where Unz uses surname analysis to determine the percentage of Jews at prestige universities?

    As far as I am aware he only used it for guesstimating the number of Jewish National Merit Scholar semi-finalists.

    Interestingly, it is my perception and experience that in the UK Jews with stereotypically Jewish surnames are seen as a bit déclassé, except for Cohen perhaps. And my favourite Cohen, the England international rugby player, is not Jewish at all.

  258. Can you help me out by pointing to where Unz uses surname analysis to determine the percentage of Jews at prestige universities?

    No, I won’t presume to speak for Ron Unz, who has commented on this thread and to whom it would be more appropriate for you to address your inquiry.

    However, it is clear from Unz’s comment above that he believes surname analysis to be a valid method for identifying American Jews. Moreover, in the The Myth of American Meritocracy, he has stated that 25% of students at Harvard are (or were at some time in the recent past) Jews, more in fact than non-Jewish whites. I assume, therefore, that his assessment that 25% of the students at Harvard in the recent past were Jews is based on last name analysis. However, in that Am Con Mag article, Unz cites Berkeley sociologist Karabel, as the source of much of his information. Therefore, you might refer to Karabel as to methods of ethnic and religious group identification.

    • 回复: @Tyrion 2
  259. Tyrion 2 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    Can’t you just admit that you had no idea what you are talking about? You reply is a transparent case-study in dishonesty. It is so embarrassing.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  260. @Tyrion 2

    Tyrion 2, you must be the intellectual reincarnation of Sam Johnson’s Poll who was all wiggle waggle and never could be categorical.

    Unz’s claim about Jews at Harvard was rubbish, so you said, but you’ve offered no grounds to reject the data that Unz cited or the inferences that Unz drew from the data.

    Your comments are mere vacuous assertions piled upon one another. You are, as someone else has observed, a waste of time.

  261. HBM 说:
    @Mario Partisan

    Jews aren’t wired to be interested in 建设 a host nation and its institutions. We take our mindset in this regard for granted. Jews all believe they should be Joseph in Egypt, and so they gravitate to the centers of power and to institutions of prestige.

    (Indeed, their takeover of those institutions is viewed by them as a great, and supremely moral, victory. Vineyards you did not plant等)

    That a highly-intelligent Jew (as many if not most WASPs are wired to do) might consider going to a local college because that’s ultimately how you end up building Harvards and Yales simply does not happen with them. It doesn’t fit the ethno-narrative. They have no interest in it.

  262. Tyrion 2 说:

    By not admitting when you have been clearly caught out as wrong and continually trying to avoid a simple mea culpa you are totally discrediting yourself. There is no point in having a serious discussion with someone who can’t do this. It is so cringeworthy to see you carry on.

    You claimed that Unz based his analysis of the percentage of students who are Jewish at prestige universities on more than the methodology-free and non-credible assertion of Hillel, a sectarian organisation with an interest in ethnic boosterism. Specifically, you claimed that he had conducted surname analysis to prove this.

    That claim was wrong or right? If right, a simple link would prove it. If wrong, you made it up and/or are very stupid.

    It is clear that it is the latter from your following behaviour.

    重复我自己:

    By not admitting when you have been clearly caught out as wrong and continually trying to avoid a simple mea culpa you are totally discrediting yourself. There is no point in me having a serious discussion with someone who can’t do this. It is so cringeworthy to see you carry on.

  263. There is no point in me having a serious discussion with someone who can’t do this.

    I note your use of bold face type to emphasize your bare faced inpudence in suggesting that you have any argument at all, let alone an argument worthy of “serious discussion.” You are simply a time-wasting flibbertigibbet. Good day to you.

    • 同意: manorchurch
    • 巨魔: Tyrion 2
    • 回复: @AaronB
  264. AaronB 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    I have long known that Tyrion is a flibbertigibbet, and must be treated like a flibbertigibbet.

    • 哈哈: AaronB
    • 巨魔: Tyrion 2
  265. Anonymous [AKA "Sam Hyde is the shooter"] 说:

    “But I haven’t seen many examples of this approach towards Jews.”

    Comedian Sam Hyde has done well with this approach in the following vids

  266. Ron Unz 说:

    Well, here’s the way I look at it…

    In 2005 Jerome Karabell, an eminent sociologist, published his magnum opus on the history of Jewish enrollement at America’s most elite colleges, which won all sorts of scholarly awards and ran over 700 pages including more than 3000 endnotes, and clearly established him as America’s leading expert in that topic. He had spent a dozen years of his life on the project, and many of his most striking conclusions were drawn from the historical Hillel enrollment records.

    Now as it happens, he had never considered the NMS lists or other evidence on the Jewish performance side of the ledger, so I think he missed some of the most interesting aspects in his history, which were the focus of my own article, but I’d certainly rank his book as a magisterial work of scholarship, and I used it as a central text of my own Meritocracy analysis.

    I can’t imagine that anyone would claim that the Hillel figures are anything more than approximate estimates, but if they were just total nonsense, I’d suspect he would have noticed that fact during all his years of intensive research into the subject.

    So on the one side, we have Hillel, the MSM, and Prof. Karabell (plus every other academic scholar!) and on the other we have some agitated foreigner who hangs around my website commenting under the Handle “Tyrion 2,” and basing his claims on what some alleged non-Jewish friends of his once casually told him. Obviously, nobody can ever be sure about anything, but offhand I’d say there’s strong presumption is one direction.

    • 回复: @manorchurch
    , @Tyrion 2
  267. @Ron Unz

    Professor Littleoldman agrees with you, Mel.

  268. Tyrion 2 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Someone else has already discredited Hillel’s figures, as if they needed discrediting! They’re just given without justification!!!

    I started this line of questioning mostly because I was amused how far down the rabbit hole the discussion went based off some student organisation’s silly made-up stats.

    Can anyone provide their methodology? Or are we just supposed to take them to heart? This is ludicrous.

    I get that the MSM is happy to use them but they’re happy to use any random nonsense if it suits their editorial line.

    In this case, like in almost every case, the Emperor has no clothes.

    Also, ‘agitated foreigner’, ha!

    https://sites.google.com/site/nuritbaytch/#Weyl

    Unz’s analysis relied exclusively on the Jewish enrollment estimates published by each relevant university’s Hillel. I was immediately skeptical of Harvard Hillel’s claim that Jews comprise ~25% of Harvard College students, as my personal estimate of Harvard’s Jewish enrollment was considerably lower; furthermore, upon close examination of the Jewish enrollment figures furnished by the Harvard and Yale Hillels, it is evident that their data exhibit statistical anomalies indicating that their figures are unreliable. When I asked the Harvard Hillel how they obtained their estimates of Jewish undergraduate enrollment, they indicated that Harvard used to collect religious preferences cards from freshmen but that this practice ended ~20 years ago. I did not receive a reply to my inquiry as to how Harvard Hillel currently estimates the percentage of Jewish students at Harvard College, which Hillel claims is ~25%.[11] However, according to The Harvard Crimson’s Class of 2017 Freshman Survey, only 9.5% of Harvard freshmen identify their religious affiliation as Jewish.[12]

    It is difficult to determine the percentage of Jews among high academic achievers (particularly on the basis of names alone), as many Jews do not have obviously Jewish names, in part because many Jews Anglicized their surnames due to anti-Semitism. Nevertheless, we can use Weyl Analysis, which is an objective and reproducible methodology (once clearly defined), to compare the proportion of Jews among NMS semifinalists and Harvard undergraduates. Weyl Analysis yields an estimate of the percentage of Jews in a data set based on the frequency with which specific distinctive Jewish surnames like Cohen and Goldberg appear. However, Unz’s description of Weyl Analysis is ambiguous, and when I first performed Weyl Analysis on the Harvard alumni directory, I incorrectly assumed that Unz meant Gold* when he wrote “Gold—” (as I stated on February 13th and February 19th); I also full-counted hyphenated surnames that included one of the distinctive Jewish surnames on the Weyl list (Unz did not specify how to treat hyphenated surnames). I asked Unz to clarify these ambiguities, but he declined to do so, so I had no option but to reproduce his NMS results in order to resolve these ambiguities. It turns out Unz had meant {Gold, Goldberg, Golden, Goldman, Goldstein} by “Gold—”, and he had not counted hyphenated names.[13] (Please refer to the previous footnote for the details on how I determined this.) This is why my initial Weyl Analysis results for the percentage of Jewish NMS semifinalists, as reported by Prof. Gelman here were higher than Unz’s. In addition, as I had counted all surnames starting with Gold and all hyphenated Weyl surnames among the Harvard alumni directory names, my initial Weyl Analysis results for the percentage of Jewish students at Harvard College, as reported by Prof. Gelman, were too high. Using the same methodology on the Harvard alumni directory that enabled me to reproduce Unz’s result that Jews represent 6-7% of NMS semifinalists in the 25-state aggregate (as Unz reported in the first table of Appendix E), I obtained the revised estimate that Jews represented 7-9% of Harvard College students in Fall 2008.[14] I have also performed Weyl Analysis on Harvard College’s current and publicly available directory, yielding the result that 5-6% of current Harvard undergraduates are Jewish, which is slightly lower than the percentage of Jewish NMS semifinalists determined via Weyl Analysis.[15] Thus, when one uses the same objective methodology on the names of both NMS semifinalists (Unz’s proxy for the pool of qualified Harvard applicants) and Harvard undergraduates, one finds no evidence for Harvard’s “massive apparent bias in favor of far less-qualified Jewish applicants,” as claimed by Unz.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
    , @Ron Unz
  269. @Tyrion 2

    Ha! So you have facts and arguments after all. Very good. But why then did you initially, and so embarrassingly, play the popinjay and insult those who asked, as I did, for evidence in support of your assertions?

    Not that the motivation for your peculiar intervention in the discussion matters very much. By providing the basis for your rejection of Ron Unz’s claims about the proportion of Jewish students at Harvard, our understanding of what appears to be a murky issue is somewhat clarified.

  270. Ron Unz 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    然而,根据哈佛深红色的 2017 年新生调查,只有 9.5% 的哈佛新生认为他们的宗教信仰是犹太人。

    Ha, ha, ha. It’s nice to see that our good friend “Tyrion 2” is doing his best to confirm my finding that Jews these days are not particularly bright, and perhaps providing some additional evidence that dim-wittedness is particularly strong among the fanatic ethnic-activist segment of Jewry, including himself.

    好的,所以他找到了一个非常有用的数据点,9.5 年哈佛班的 2017% *宗教上* Jewish. However, it only took me a few seconds to locate this Haaretz article:

    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/jews-least-observant-int-l-poll-finds-1.5287579

    它指出,犹太人是世界上最 *至少* 宗教团体,并且全世界只有 38% 的(种族)犹太人追随犹太教 *宗教*. Assuming that The Crimson survey is correct and Harvard Jews are typical of those worldwide, this would imply that 9.5% / 0.38 = 25%(!!!) of Harvard freshmen are *种族* 犹太人,一个惊人的巧合是 *确切地* the Hillel figure I was using. I think I’d call that a game-ending own-goal…

    Indeed, since religiosity is especially strong among ultra-Orthodox Jews who are very mediocre in their academic achievement, while America’s most academically elite groups—Jew or Gentile—tend to be among the least religious, this figure might even be an underestimate. Certainly back during my own Harvard days, I’d have been astonished if even 1/3 of the Jews I knew practiced “the Jewish religion.”

    Jewish-activists are notorious for playing these sorts of very slippery definitional games. For example, I wouldn’t be surprised if “Tyrion 2” were to claim that there had never been a single “Jewish Communist.” How could there be, since Communists by definition practice no religion.

    哈哈哈哈...

    • 回复: @FKA Max
    , @Tyrion 2
  271. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @Ron Unz

    它指出,犹太人是世界上最 *至少* 宗教团体,并且全世界只有 38% 的(种族)犹太人追随犹太教 *宗教*. 假设 The Crimson 调查是正确的并且哈佛犹太人是世界范围内的典型,这意味着 9.5% / 0.38 = 25%(!!!) 的哈佛新生是 *种族* 犹太人,一个惊人的巧合是 *确切地* the Hillel figure I was using.

    Outstanding reply, sir!

    For other commenters and readers:

    提利昂2 cited/quoted “Jewish [female] berserker” https://www.unz.com/article/a-reply-to-jordan-peterson/#comment-2330137 Nurit Baytch:

    As for Nurit Baytch, she seems rather mentally ill to me, and I don’t really pay any attention to what she writes. I speak advisedly. Over a period of a few months, she left hundreds of rather rambling comments over all sorts of blogsites, most without substantive value and rather obsessive in tone. I believe she was still attempting to retain her anonymity at that point supposedly for fear of attacks by “anti-semites.” Later, when I mentioned somewhere that I had been invited to give a talk on my paper at the University of Chicago Law School, she showed up there to “confront” me, and her appearance, mannerisms, and behavior are what have led to my personal characterization. She reminded me a bit of those “Weather Underground” girls I’ve sometimes seen in photos of the 1960s. I tend to distrust detailed statistical analyses allegedly performed on private datasets by mentally ill individuals.

    Her senior partner in all of her supposed statistical “debunkings” was Prof. Janet Mertz, who herself seems to have somewhat odd views on all sorts of things. I discuss some of her work here:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-almost-as-wrong-as-larry-summers/

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/who-knew-haven-monahan-had-transferred-from-uva-to-ucla/#comment-891954

    Nurit Baytch
    @NuritBaytch

    Disputatious Jew.

    https://twitter.com/nuritbaytch 存档的链接: http://archive.is/wR35O

  272. Tyrion 2 说:
    @Ron Unz

    No. Obviously none of that was my point. That was merely her introduction to her real analysis. Way to strawman and write a load of nonsense!

    Whomever that lady is (it doesn’t matter) applied the same technique that you used to estimate the percentage of Jewish National Merit Semifinalists to the percentage of Jewish Harvard students and found that Hillel was wrong.

    Ergo, you are wrong. Your entire argument is based off the unjustified stats collected by a silly Jewish student organisation to engage in a little ethnic boosterism. That is the real farce here.

  273. Anon[120]• 免责声明 说:
    @denk

    While I have never yet seen an intelligent or even amusing or civil comment from you I live in hope. Perhaps you would care to give an explanation for the total failure of an existential threat which has had that status for 500 years. Maybe you will begin to see the limitations and problems for those who throw cheap rhetoric about for want of any product of the intellect.

  274. c matt 说:
    @Swan Knight

    and lo and behold, majority of the admissions committee is Jewish.

    If this is the portion to which you refer, then you are the one in error. Perhaps an article is missing (“a majority” or “the majority”). But “is” refers to the state of being of the majority, which is a single thing. Asshole.

  275. Jordan Peterson’s main 施蒂克 is psych… which means the “informed prior” for his work has a lot of mass at “output=bullshit“。

    If you use that as your first filter for anything ever uttered by anyone from psych, you will be right more often than you’re wrong. (It’s like assuming that a politician is lying: it uses a 高度 informed prior).

    To move from that prior to a posterior distribution with any mass at “actually, in this instance he’s 不能 talking out of his ass” requires 显著 more evidence than would be required from a discipline that was known for rigour rather than bullshit – say, a physicist or mathematician.

    And that’s if he’s discussing something that’s in his specific area of expertise (i.e., psycho-charlatanry): if he’s discussing literally anything else on the planet (or off it), then additional weight should be applied to Pr(“he’s talking shit 再次“)。

    Conditional probability can be a bit of a pain in the ass, and people in general are pretty shit at it (so much so that quite a few non-paradox ‘paradoxes’ centre on people making bad conditional probability calculations) … but it literally only takes a day or two to get your head around it if you’re properly motivated.

    Anyhow… Peterson lost me when he showed that he doesn’t understand the importance of the Gauss-Markov conditions in linear regression.

    I can’t abide people who make quantitative statements to buttress their arguments, and in doing so show that they have no fucking idea what they were doing technique-wise: they literally don’t know (or don’t care) that the numbers the produce have no meaning as statistical quantities.

    He was babbling about adding an additional regressor that was 已知 to be correlated with existing regressors… that would get you an ‘F’ 立即 in any half-decent 2nd-year statistics or econometrics course (assuming somehow you 得到了 to second year: usually not understanding the problems generated by a non-full-rank regressor matrix would mean you would probably fail first year).

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