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尽管记忆力近年来有所下降,但在二十世纪下半叶的大部分时间里,“东京玫瑰”一词在我们的大众意识中排名很高,可能仅次于“本尼迪克特·阿诺德”(Benedict Arnold)作为战争期间美国背叛的代名词。 战时岁月的美籍日裔年轻女性Iva Ikuko Toguri的故事广为人知,她在太平洋战区向我们受难的部队广播了带有敌人宣传的流行音乐,战后对叛国罪的审判也因此而破裂。她的公民身份并判处她长期监禁,成为全国头条新闻。

CSZ 实际的历史事实 似乎与流行的神话有所不同。 实际上,没有几个这样的女性广播公司,而没有一个“东京玫瑰”,而Toguri女士甚至还不是最早的广播公司,她们的身份融合在四面楚歌的美国地理标志中。 但是她是唯一一个受到审判和惩罚的人,尽管她自己的广播评论几乎完全是无害的。 一个单身美国出生的年轻女子的一次家庭访问的困境,由于战争的突然爆发而被困在敌后,这显然是一个困难的困境,并且拼命地担任英语音乐播音员的工作几乎不符合通常的观念。叛国罪。 确实,从联邦监狱获释后,她避免了驱逐出境,并在余生中悄悄地在芝加哥经营着一家杂货店。 战后日本很快成为我们在亚洲最亲密的盟友,一旦战时的热情降温,她最终被杰拉尔德·福特总统赦免,并恢复了美国国籍。

尽管在Toguri女士的特殊案件中有这些极为缓解的情况,但我们不应该对美国对这位可怜的女人从日本返回家园时受到的严厉对待感到惊讶。 所有正常国家都残酷地惩罚叛国罪和叛国罪,而这些术语通常是在一场激烈的战争之后被广泛定义的。 也许在混乱的Monty Python世界中,战时叛徒会获得奖章,在白宫得到称赞,并成为民族英雄,但任何允许这种精神错乱的现实世界肯定会被遗忘。 如果《东京玫瑰》的战时记录使她开始了成功的美国政治事业,并差点让她担任总统,那么我们将为一个残酷的敌人知道LSD导致我们的国家供水激增提供事实。

参议员约翰·麦凯恩(John McCain)的政治崛起使我怀疑,在1970年代,一些残酷的敌人使我们国家的LSD水供应激增。

 

我对约翰·麦凯恩的最早回忆含糊不清。 我认为他在八十年代中期第一次来到我的注意,也许是1980年后,当他在亚利桑那州赢得了一个开放的国会席位或者更可能有一次他在1982年当选为退休保守图标戈德华特的联邦参议员席位。 关于他的所有媒体报道似乎都非常有利,他描述了他在越狱犯严酷酷刑五年多期间作为战俘的坚定不移,以及他在战时遭受的身体苦难程度, 著名的照片 尼克松总统从敌方囚禁归国后的许多月迎接他,向他展示了他仍然着拐杖。 我从来没有丝毫怀疑过这个故事或他的战争英雄地位。

前战俘约翰·麦凯恩(John McCain)拐杖致辞,问候总统理查德·尼克松(Richard Nixon)
前战俘约翰·麦凯恩(John McCain)拐杖致辞,问候总统理查德·尼克松(Richard Nixon)

麦凯恩的公众形象在1980年代末遭到殴打,当时他成为陷入困境的参议员之一。 基廷五人财务丑闻,但与其他大多数人不同,他设法在这场争议中幸存了下来。 此后不久,他成为全国竞选活动金融改革的主要倡导者,强有力的支持移民的声音,以及维护我们与越南关系正常化的拥护者,这些职位对我的吸引力与对国内媒体的吸引力一样。 到2000年,我的意见已经变得足够有利,我就向当年共和党初选中的州长乔治·W·布什(George W. Bush)的失败者捐赠了捐款,当他在某些早期比赛中表现出色时突然感到惊讶,并为此感到震惊。在提名。 但是,他随后在南卡罗来纳州遭受了一次意想不到的失败,因为一大批当地军事选民果断地反对他。 据广泛的媒体报道,主要原因是卡尔·罗夫(Karl Rove)和他的同伴们进行了一场彻头彻尾的窃窃私语的运动,其中甚至包括骇人听闻的指控,即这位伟大的战争英雄候选人曾是越南的“叛徒”。 我唯一的结论是,有时在美国政治中发现的肮脏谎言比我想象的还要糟糕。

尽管在9/11袭击发生后,由于麦凯恩对极端好战的外交政策的支持,我急剧反对麦凯恩,但我从没有任何理由质疑他的背景或正直,而我强烈反对他2008年总统大选的理由是完全基于政策:我担心他臭名昭著的脾气会轻易使我们陷入其他灾难性的战争。

当我读到2008年XNUMX月,一切都突然改变了 一篇长文章 一位不熟悉的左派作家 反击 网站。 令人震惊的说法是,麦凯恩可能从未遭受过酷刑,相反,他用战时的俘虏与俘虏合作,传播共产主义的宣传,鉴于我几十年来所吸收的成千上万对相反的文章,这种可能性对我来说几乎是不可理解的来自主流媒体。 小型网站上的这篇文章怎么可能成为关于麦凯恩战争记录的真相,而其他一切都完全是虚假的? 证据几乎没有压倒性的证据,该文献是由一位不起眼的作者以稀疏的方式来撰写和撰写的,但是这些说法是如此的惊人,以至于我做出了一些努力来调查此事,尽管没有任何真正的成功。

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但是,几个月后我偶然发现关于麦凯恩的那些新疑问仍在我的脑海中 Sidney Schanberg大量记录的曝光 关于麦凯恩在战俘/ MIA中的角色的报道被掩盖了,这是一个更大的丑闻。 这次,我收到了由美国最伟大的战时记者之一,曾获得普利策奖的前顶级编辑收集的大量确凿的证据。 纽约时报。 从那以后的几年中,其他领先的记者赞扬了Schanberg的杰出研究,现在他的结论得到了四个方面的共同支持 “纽约时报” 普利策奖(Pulitzer Prizes),而曾在情报委员会任职的两名前共和党国会议员也强烈证实了他的说法。

1993年, “纽约时报” 打破了那个故事 在克里姆林宫档案中发现的政治局成绩单 完全确认是否存在其他战俘,并且在接受采访时 PBS Newshour 前国家安全顾问亨利·基辛格(Henry Kissinger)和兹比格涅夫·布热津斯基(Zbigniew Brzezinski)承认该文件很可能是正确的,而且确实有数百个美国的越南战俘被抛在了后面。 在我看来,Schanberg的战俘故事的现实现在已经得到了牢固的确立,这还没有得到美国主流媒体的官方支持。 而且,这些媒体对战俘故事和麦凯恩在随后的掩盖中的领导作用完全不诚实,这使我非常怀疑关于约翰·麦凯恩所谓的英勇战争记录的所有其他说法。 我们的美国Pravda绝对不应该在任何“敏感”主题上受到信任。

我本人没有越南战争的个人知识,也没有该历史领域的专业知识。 但是,在2008年遇到Schanberg的曝光之后,我很快就与一位具有上述特长的人取得了联系,他是一位越南老兵,后来成为了我们其中一所军事学院的教授。 起初,他对我提出的问题持谨慎态度,但是一旦他阅读了Schanberg的冗长文章,他觉得他可以更加自由地回应,并且他在很大程度上确认了这一主张,部分是基于他个人拥有的某些信息。 他说,他感到惊讶的是,在互联网的这些日子里,战俘丑闻没有引起更多的关注,他不明白为什么媒体如此统一地不愿谈论这个话题。

关于约翰·麦凯恩(John McCain)的战时记录,他也有一些非常有趣的事情要说。 据他说,麦凯恩花费大量的战争时间来制作共产党的宣传广播,在退伍军人圈子中并不是什么秘密,因为这些广播经常在战俘营中播放,以此打破那些抵制合作的美国战俘的精神。 的确,他和他的一些朋友推测,谁目前拥有麦凯恩那副该死的录音带和录像带的副本,并想知道它们是否可能在总统大选期间出现。 多年来,其他越南退伍军人 公开收取了类似的费用,而尚伯格建议麦凯恩(McCain)在战俘掩饰中的领导作用可能与他因战时臭名昭著的广播而面临的压力有关。

在2008年XNUMX月下旬 另一个有趣的故事 出现在我的早晨 “纽约时报”。 一位勇敢的记者决定前往越南,看看麦凯恩的前狱卒如何看待他们曾经的俘虏可能很快到达白宫,他们度过了多年折磨的那个人可能成为下一任美国总统的可能性。 令记者惊讶的是,前囚犯们似乎对麦凯恩获胜的前景充满热情,称他们希望他能赢得胜利,因为他们在战争中成为了如此的好朋友,并且在一起工作如此紧密。 如果他们住在美国,他们肯定会全票支持他。 当被问及麦凯恩声称“残酷和虐待狂”的折磨时,警卫队的负责人认为这些故事只是胡说八道,无论是在美国还是在越南,为了赢得声望,政客们必须经常吐口水。 一种 英国广播公司 通信者 报告了相同的陈述.

让我们考虑一下这个故事的含义。 约翰·麦凯恩(John McCain)一生以脾气暴躁着称,还怀恨在心。 那些据称花了多年折磨他的人似乎如此渴望看到他升任世界最高权力者,这看起来有多合理?

但是,那幅著名的照片呢?即使麦凯恩被囚禁了几个月,仍然显示他仍still着拐杖呢? 在2008年XNUMX月上旬,有人发现了 瑞典新闻摄制组的档案录像 拍摄了战俘归来的影片,并将其上传到YouTube。 我们看到一个健康的约翰·麦凯恩(John McCain)从越南下飞机,虽然明显li行,但肯定不需要拐杖。 回到家后,他终于因战时受伤而进入贝塞斯达海军医院接受矫正手术,而最近的美国手术就是他与尼克松合影的原因。

毫无疑问,确实有相当多的美国战俘在越南遭受了酷刑,但麦凯恩曾是其中之一,这一点还远未弄清。 作为原始 反击 文章指出,在几乎整个战争中,麦凯恩都被关押在一个表现最好的囚犯的特别区中,据称他在那里制作了共产党的宣传广播,也许后来与他的警卫们成为了好朋友,后来他们宣称。 前最高战俘在同一所监狱举行,例如泰德·盖伊上校和戈登·“瑞典”·拉尔森上校, 已经记录在案 他们说,他们对麦凯恩的酷刑表示怀疑。

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我不厌其烦地阅读约翰·麦凯恩(John McCain)对他严厉监禁的最早说法, 详细的12,000字第一人称帐户 以他的名字发表于 美国新闻与世界报道 在1973年XNUMX月,即他被释放后的几周。 社论引言指出,年轻飞行员似乎刚刚被俘虏,似乎“几乎完全记得”,而故事的某些部分令我感到怀疑,这也许是源于杜马斯(Dumas)的长期监禁小说的悠久历史。 基督山伯爵。 一位年轻的海军飞行员会如此轻松地发展并记住一个“敲击代码”,以便在厚厚的监狱墙上与其他人进行广泛交流吗? 麦凯恩(McCain)形容自己具有“哲学倾向”,他多年的孤立生活使他在脑海中回顾了他读过的所有许多历史书籍,试图弄清人类历史,这是他一生中从未见过的知识化程度。或之后。

支持者经常强调的一个事实细节是他一再提出的主张,除了在被囚禁的很早之前签署一份书面声明并回答来访的法国新闻记者的某些问题外,他坚定地拒绝了与绑架者合作的任何暗示,尽管遭受了酷刑,单独监禁,无休止的威胁和殴打以及提供的报酬。 也许。 但是那个原始的 反击 文章提供了指向 声称的文字 1969年总结的麦凯恩亲河内宣传广播之一 UPI 电线服务的故事,我已经通过定位确认了它的真实性 结果文章 跑进去了 星条旗 同时。 因此,如果看起来麦凯恩关于入狱的重要部分似乎是自私自利的小说,那么我们还能相信其余多少呢? 如果他的亲共宣传广播如此引人注目,甚至到达了美国主要军事出版物之一的新闻页面,那么,正如他的批评者所指称的那样,它们是如此之多,大量而且频繁,似乎是很有道理的。

后来,当我与一位具有军事背景的著名政治学家讨论这些令人不安的问题时,他强调麦凯恩的历史只能在他父亲的背景下才能理解,他的父亲是一位海军上将,后来担任所有美军司令在太平洋剧院,包括我们在越南的部队。 确实,所谓的 UPI 有线故事是“ PW [战俘]鸣禽是海军上将的飞行员之子”,强调了这种联系。 显然,出于家庭忠诚度和个人地位的原因,约翰·麦凯恩的父亲和同名同僚必须掩盖可怕的丑闻,使他的儿子在战争期间担任主要的合作者和共产党宣传员,而他的高尚地位使他这样做的力量。 此外,就在几年前,麦凯恩长老为美国政治精英提供了极为宝贵的服务,组织了正式的调查委员会,粉饰了可能毁灭性的灾难。 “自由事件” 拥有200多名伤亡惨重的美国军人,因此他当然可以召集一些有力的政治要点。

在这样的背景下,约翰·麦凯恩的酷刑故事非常有道理。 如果他确实在整个战争中确实花费了全力以赴地宣传共产党的宣传,以换取优惠待遇,那将会有关于这种私下流传的故事,并且担心这些故事最终可能会登上报纸的头条,也许是有力的音频证据作为后盾。和录像带。 避免这种危险的有效策略是编造人身苦难的阴险故事,然后在媒体上加以宣传,迅速使麦凯恩成为美国返回的战俘中最受酷刑的受害者,这一努力因许多美国战俘而变得可信确实遭受了酷刑。

一旦公众完全接受麦凯恩为我们的首要越南战争英雄和酷刑受害者,他后来发布的宣传带都会被驳回,因为这仅仅是证明即使最勇敢的人也有自己的突破口。 鉴于麦凯恩的父亲是美国最高级别的军官之一,而且尼克松政府和媒体很快将麦凯恩提升为美国英雄主义的国家象征,因此,其他返回战俘的人将承受巨大压力,其中许多人头昏眼花,长时间被囚禁后受伤,不要削弱这种重要的爱国主义叙事。 同样,当麦凯恩在大约十年后竞选国会和参议院议员时,关于他遭受酷刑的故事成为他竞选活动的中心主题,再次构成了强有力的辩护,以防止任何有关他所谓的“不忠诚”的谣言。

因此,这个传奇故事在数十年间发展壮大,直到完全将其吞噬为止,他成为美国最伟大的爱国者和战争英雄,几乎没有人甚至不知道首先引起这个故事的共产主义宣传广播。 我有时会注意到同样的历史模式,在这种历史模式下,最初被发明为借口或减轻某些重大犯罪行为的虚构叙述最终可能会随着时间的流逝而扩展,直到它们完全主导了叙事,而原始犯罪本身却几乎被人们遗忘了。 麦凯恩总统竞选的中心主题是他无与伦比的爱国主义,当他在巴拉克·奥巴马(Barack Obama)手中败下阵来时,普遍的判断是,即使是最伟大的战争英雄也可能会失去选举。

我必须再次强调,我不是越南战争专家,而我的粗略调查完全不是为确定这一令人不安的案件的可靠结论所必需的详尽研究。 我只是试图提供麦凯恩战争记录的合理解释,并强调一些更彻底的研究人员应考虑的重要证据。 与我认为绝大多数的Schanberg和其他人积累的关于POW的掩盖文献不同,我认为关于麦凯恩战时历史的重建,最好的说法是它似乎很可能是正确的。 但是,我应该提到的是,当我在2010年与Schanberg讨论其中一些项目并建议约翰·麦凯恩(John McCain)是越战的东京玫瑰时,他认为这是一个非常恰当的描述。

 

约翰·麦凯恩(John McCain)几乎不是唯一的杰出政治人物,其棘手的越南战争活动有时受到严格审查,但后来被我们卑鄙的企业媒体喷了粉刺,并被人们遗忘了。 正如麦凯恩被广泛认为是该冲突中最杰出的共和党战争英雄一样,他的民主党对手可能是越南荣誉勋章获得者鲍勃·科里,鲍勃·科里曾是内布拉斯加州州长和参议员,曾于1992年竞选总统,然后考虑再次这样做。在1990年代后期。

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他的战时英雄主义貌似完美的记录在2001年随“战地英雄”出版而突然崩溃。 毁灭性的8,000字暴露 in 纽约时报杂志 与一个 六十分钟II 电视部分。 详细的目击者证词和文件证据有力地证明,凯雷已下令杀害十二名越南无辜平民,包括妇女,儿童和婴儿,以示为证,他是海豹突击队对一个越南小村庄的袭击的目击者,这一举动多少让人回想起臭名昭著的前一年My Lai大屠杀,尽管规模肯定要小得多。 凯瑞(Kerrey)对这些可怕指控的最初反应-他对事件的记忆是“迷雾”-几乎把他的罪恶感证明给我,其他人得出了类似的结论。

作为所谓的战争英雄和温和的民主党人,克里一直以来在政界都很受欢迎,但即使是曾经友好的人 新共和国 震惊了 权威人士和媒体企图使他免于表面上的犯罪,这是一种愚蠢的行为。 这些消息似乎也没有对他担任纽约著名新学校长的任期产生任何影响。纽约新学院是一所享有无可挑剔的自由声誉的学术机构,他任职十年后才离开,试图重新夺回他的旧参议院。在内布拉斯加州的座位。 鲍勃·德雷福斯(Bob Dreyfuss),一位有原则的左派新闻工作者, 在2012年的博客文章中可能仍将他描述为“大规模杀人犯” at 民族但是多年来,主流媒体几乎没有人曾在提及克里的活动的任何文章中提到过这一事件,就像媒体也完全忽略了香伯格的所有令人惊奇的启示一样。 我怀疑科雷的战争罪行几乎已经完全从公众意识中消失了。

我们必须始终在个人记者的行为与整个美国媒体的行为之间做出重要的区分。 我相信绝大多数的记者和编辑都是诚实和真诚的,尽管有时报道的内容可能会被歪曲或误解,但他们确实希望提供信息而不是误导。 考虑一下上面讨论的或在Schanberg大量揭露的爆炸性事实中,有多少直接来自于 “纽约时报” 和其他领先的媒体。 但是,在这些关键的故事发表之后,它们所建立的事实似乎常常从随后的报道中消失,从而使大多数随便的读者都忘记了它们。 因此,对Kerrey明显屠杀平民的详细描述得到了最大可能的初步报道-在 纽约时报杂志 和最高评价 哥伦比亚广播公司新闻 电视部分-但不到一年左右的时间,几乎所有政治记者似乎都将历史推倒了记忆孔。 这些事实仍然可供感兴趣的读者了解,但是他们必须自己完成工作,而不是仅仅依靠主流出版物提供的摘要性叙述。

我们许多政治领导人可能藏有如此可怕的个人机密(我们的媒体经常隐藏这些机密)的认识,引起了独立于特定机密本身的重要政策含义。 近年来,我越来越开始怀疑,在迫在眉睫的个人勒索威胁下,我们的一些国家领导人甚至有时可能做出他们似乎莫名其妙的政策决定,而且过去也可能是这样。

考虑一下有趣的情况 J. ·埃德加·胡佛,他花了近半个世纪的时间运行我们的家庭情报服务FBI。 在过去的几十年中,他积累了有关大量杰出人物的详细档案,大多数历史学家都同意,他经常使用这种高度敏感的材料来赢得与名义上的政治大师之间的争端,并使其他公众人物屈从于他的意愿。 同时,他本人也难以幸免于类似的压力。 这些天来,人们普遍认为胡佛是一个非常封闭的同性恋者,寿命很长,也有严肃的说法称他有一些隐秘的黑人血统,考虑到他的性格,这种可能性对我来说似乎很合理。 如此深厚的个人机密可能与胡佛长期以来否认美国确实存在有组织犯罪以及他不愿分配大量联邦调查局资源进行打击有关。

今天,当我们考虑到世界主要国家时,我们发现在许多情况下,官方领导人也是现实中的领导人:弗拉基米尔·普京在俄罗斯做主,习近平和他的政治局最高同事在中国做同样的事情,依此类推。 但是,在美国和其他一些西方国家,情况似乎越来越少了,顶级的民族人物仅仅是作为具有吸引力和政治可塑性而被选拔的有吸引力的领导人,这一发展最终可能对美国造成严重后果。他们领导的国家。 举一个极端的例子,喝醉了的鲍里斯·叶利钦(Boris Yeltsin)随意地让少数寡头束缚了俄国的全部国民财产,掠夺了他的全部财产,其结果是俄国人民彻底陷入贫困,人口崩溃导致了现代和平时期几乎前所未有的情况。

安装木偶尺子的一个明显问题是他们有可能试图割断绳子的风险,就像普京不久就将其寡头赞助人鲍里斯·别列佐夫斯基(Boris Berezovsky)放逐并放逐了他一样。 最大限度地降低这种风险的一种方法是,选择那些深受其害的木偶,使其永远无法挣脱,因为他们知道,如果寻求独立,很容易会引发深深埋藏在过去中的政治自毁性指控。 我有时和我的朋友开玩笑说,一个雄心勃勃的年轻政治家最好的职业举动是偷偷地犯下一些可怕的罪行,然后确保对自己有罪的确凿证据落在某些有权势的人的手中,从而确保他的罪恶。政治快速崛起。

这些想法似乎完全荒谬,但让我们退后一步,考虑一下美国的近代历史。 就在几年前,一个人几乎完全依靠他的战争记录来接近白宫。大量的证据表明,这种战争记录实际上是那种通常在战争结束时就将叛国者吊死的种类。敌对行动。 我研究了许多历史时代和许多国家,没有想到类似的例子。

造成这种奇怪情况的原因可能仅在于我们主要媒体机构的无能和怯ward,他们的羊群心态以及他们不愿意注意到盯着他们的证据。 但是,我们至少也应该考虑进行更黑暗的解释的可能性。 如果东京玫瑰几乎已经被选为1980世纪XNUMX年代总统,我们将认为美国的政治制度已经采取了非常奇特的转折。

 
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  1. Allow me to disparage Mr. McCain (again), with facts. By several accounts (“Why Does the Nightingale Sing”, for example) he only got into the Naval Academy for a free college degree because Dad and GrandDad were Admirals, and should have been kicked out several times if not for that too. He was a lousy pilot who got into trouble often and crashed two aircraft because of neglect. He was shot down on his third mission over Vietnam, and getting captured is not heroic.

    What happened over there is difficult to pin down, but upon returning from POW status, he passed a physical and regained flight status as a pilot. Yet after he finished 20 years of service that allowed generous retirement pay, he obtained a 100% VA disability rating allowing him to collect some \$40,000 a year tax free too! The LA Times mentioned this when McCain was insisting he was fit to serve as commander in Chief. He now hauls in over \$240,000 a year from the Feds for military retirement, 100% VA disability, social security retirement, while all the while working full-time in the US Senate. So is he retired, or disabled, or gainfully employed? He is all three! This is textbook case of abuse and why or system needs reform to protect workers against rich welfare kings like McCain.

    McCain’s loyal wife was disabled in a serious auto accident while he was a POW. Soon after he returned, McCain dumped her for a wealthy woman 20 years younger. The Reagans were so angry they never spoke to him again. He then married his new babe before he officially got divorced, so there’s that bigamy thing. I don’t know why any Arizonian votes for this crazed man, especially since he’s a big advocate for open borders. At a union meeting, he told workers illegals are needed because Americans are too lazy to work farm fields, even for \$50 an hour. McCain has never labored his entire life, always on the government dole now earning ten times minimum wage worker pay, whose increase he opposes.

    McCain grew up wealthy and enjoyed free government health care his entire life, yet thinks it’s nothing commoners deserve. While running for president and attacking the poor a rare good reporter asked how many houses he owned. He was unsure, but thought maybe seven.

  2. map 说:

    A very good article, Mr. Unz.

    Watching McCain’s behavior since roughly the mid-oughts to the present has led me to a similar conclusion: McCain collaborated with the enemy in Vietnam. This was largely covered up, but the Left has extensive information about his collaborating and they are using this to demand McCain’s support for left-wing causes.

  3. TenD 说:

    “… perhaps the best career move for an ambitious young politician would be to secretly commit some monstrous crime and then make sure that the hard evidence of his guilt ended up in the hands of certain powerful people, thereby assuring his rapid political rise.”

    I’ve thought this for many years, but it doesn’t need to be monstrous – most people are not in positions to be able to commit monstrous crimes. It just needs to be criminal and severely shameful. The first clear evidence I found was Ted Haggard. Not technically a politician, but a kingmaker with a direct, weekly exercised, line to the president. The first question the media should have asked when he was discovered was who owns him and why did they drop him. Amazingly, that question was never asked, even though the answer was easily discovered by simply researching past media reporting. Anyone reading this blog should have the ability to make those connections in about a half hour.

    I think some smart politicians understand this “best career move” and that may be exactly what Eliott Spitzer thought he was doing, getting some action on the side as a secondary benefit, but it somehow got loose in a new media environment.

    • 回复: @Carroll Price
  4. Priss Factor [又名“ K. Arujo”] 说:

    “All normal countries ruthlessly punish treason and traitors, and these terms are often expansively defined in the aftermath of a bitter war.”

    Yes, very expansively, which is why Japanese-Americans were all imprisoned… I mean interned during the war.

    What amuses me is this:

    Innocent Japanese-Americans were rounded up and punished but they didn’t complain much after the war and simply became loyal American citizens.

    In contrast, many Jews were actively involved in communism and espionage and subversion. And the era of fervent anti-communism targeted only radicals and subversives, not all Jews.

    Yet, Jews(even anti-communist ones) are still bitter and angry that America went after commie Jews and fellow-travelers. They scream about paranoia and ‘witch hunts’. And ‘red-baiting’ and ‘hysteria’. These are the same Jews who supported FDR’s ‘internment’ of Japanese-Americans and then shrugged their shoulders in ‘oops’ manner about the whole thing after the war.

    Jews are tough and aggressive. Japanese are wussy and wimpy.

  5. Assuming it is true, what do you speculate was the reason for McCain’s wartime collaboration? Father envy?

    It would be interesting to speculate who else in prominent US political life would also be such useful tools due to hidden secrets and scandals from their pasts. Barack Obama and John Roberts immediately come to mind. Any others?

    • 回复: @tbraton
  6. unit472 说:

    Along with Carlton Meyer I was troubled by McCain’s military career. McCain was in the cockpit of his A-4 Skyhawk on the day that a tremendous fire and explosions broke out on the flight deck of the USS Forrestal that killed 134 sailors and Naval aviators and injured 161 others including Lt. McCain. McCain’s aircraft was in front of another A-4 that was struck by a misfiring rocket from the aircraft behind it and set off the fire. McCain is seen in flight deck film footage emerging from his cockpit, clamoring onto the nose of the aircraft and jumping down to the flight deck. What happened thereafter is what troubles me. As the rest of the men on the Forrestals flight deck fought desperately to stop the fire and push ordinance loaded aircraft over the side McCain, for some reason, decided he needed medical attention from hopping off the nose of his A-4 and was in sick bay as the explosions and fires raged! It is noteworthy that the pilot of the plane actually struck by the misfiring missile and directly behind McCain’s also escaped from his A-4 but died along with most of the damage control team that responded to the initial fire when bombs began to detonate.

    Was McCain a coward? I don’t know but an A-4 Skyhawk is a small airplane. Climbing down from the fuel refueling probe is not to jump from the nose of a 747 or even a Beechcraft King Air. Maybe he sprained an ankle or pulled a muscle but he was able to make a beeline off that flight deck quickly enough to escape more serious injury or death!

  7. BB753 说:

    Makes you wonder what dirt they have on Obama.

  8. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    According to widespread media reports, the main cause was an utterly scurrilous whispering campaign by Karl Rove and his henchmen, which even included appalling accusations that the great war-hero candidate had been a “traitor” in Vietnam. My only conclusion was that the filthy lies sometimes found in American politics were even worse than I’d ever imagined.

    I corresponded via email with the late Col. David Hackworth, one of the most highly decorated soldiers (8 Purple Hearts, 8 Bronze Stars, 10 Silver Stars, et al.) to serve in the U.S. Army. Since 1999-2000 Hackworth had been working on an exposé of McCain, in particular, his time as a POW in Vietnam. Hackworth loathed McCain. I had been in contact with Hackworth to provide him with information about a family acquaintance who was a fellow POW of McCain’s in Vietnam. In small social gatherings this former POW used to call McCain a liar who was interested only in his own self-aggrandizement. He gave some specific damning examples. Hackworth was not able to get this guy to go on the record and this guy wanted no part in exposing McCain.

    McCain’s hero status is protected only because the men who know the truth about him have a warrior’s code of honor and will not bad mouth a fellow “warrior”.

    • 回复: @RW
    , @Gerry1211
  9. Immigrant from former USSR [又称“佛罗里达居民”] 说:

    I thought about Mr. Unz with deep gratitude for collecting such a brilliant team
    of political and science bloggers;
    Sailer, Derbyshire, Khan,
    to mention a few of most interest to me.

    But after reading this post, along with several other recent ones by Mr. Unz,
    I can only express my humble fascination by the work of Master.

  10. Escher 说:

    The loudest denouncers are usually the ones with something to hide – Larry Craig and Ted Haggard being two more such slime balls.

  11. Leftist conservative [又名“Divide Et Impera”] 说: • 您的网站

    one of the best ways to see who is the enemy of the white male is to see who the corporate media loves.

    They love McCain.

  12. Realist 说:

    The biggest American, defeat in the Vietnam debacle, was the return of John McCain.

    • 同意: Orville H. Larson
    • 回复: @gwynedd1
  13. @Priss Factor

    Japanese are wussy and wimpy

    I think Steve Sailer would agree that Japanese like Italian Americans are future time oriented. My limited contact with Japanese is that they are definitely not ones to whine over past events over which they can not change. That is not being wussy and wimpy. It is precisely the habits of mind that allowed them to recover so rapidly from the war. I call that a strength. Japanese should be proud.

    If it was not for far left foundations like The Ford Foundation, which is notorious for greenlighting dozens of Cultural Marxist identity and victimization lobbies there would be little hand-ringing over the Japanese interment today. Still I believe that Japanese Americans would have quietly made their case in the courts and would have won their just reparations with broad bipartisan support, with out any Cultural Marxist victimology, just the same.

    Speaking of Iva Ikuko Toguri as Tokyo Rose, the Japanese Imperialists manipulated and exploited a terrified young Japanese American girl into delivering propaganda. However, apparently many American servicemen found her radio delivery so unconvincing if not preposterous and yet her voice pleasing enough that they enjoyed her broadcasts.

    As Steve Sailer has written, the Japanese Interment was a desperate move made on the same day the carrier USS Lexington barely escaped sinking. Roosevelt, faced with the choice of leaving the West coast increasingly undefended in order to save Australia and help the Brits hold on to Malta and Suez Canal, felt the Japanese Interment was a vital move strongly recommended by his Naval intelligence. Military strategist still wonder why the Japanese did not use their super battleships in the first 6 months of the war on a suicide mission to take out the docks and aircraft factories at Long Beach, the Golden Gate bridge and the Panama Canal. Just a handle full of Japanese collaborators would have proven key to any off shore bombardment effort. That Japan would loose her super battleships later in the war with them make no significant contribution to their war effort was a huge strategic blunder on her part.

    Last nothing is more shameful that Jewish Marxists and Neocons attempting to exploit the Japanese Interment and then allege that FDR had “Abandoned” the Jews to the Holocaust. FDR’s strategic moves in 1941 and early 1942 were largely directed to helping the Brits save Malta and Egypt. If the Nazi and Italians had crossed the Suez Canal, the Jewish Settlement in Palestine would have been wiped out in a week. That FDR made the US forces trapped in the Philippines expendable, think John Ford and John Wayne here, was the basis of both Japanese and Nazi propaganda through out the war with FDR being painted as “That Jew in the White House”.

  14. anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    Good article, covers a lot of territory. The more a person delves into the actual facts of history the more they realize they’ve been spoon-fed a cartoon version of it. The logical progression of the article brings us to today: What do they have on the current president? There’s always been a swirl of rumors from the questionable Larry Sinclair to things regarding his school days. Prior to helicoptering into Chicago to become a politician and joining Wright’s church his background is fuzzy and opaque. Do we really know who we have? He got to be a senator not by winning an election but by uncovering some dirt on his opponent and forcing him to withdraw. At the time I thought it strange for a relative unknown to have such an effective ‘research department’ available to him. His path to today seems somewhat charmed, which gave me the feeling that he’s been a sponsored person who was spotted at some point and groomed all along the way. Look at his books. How typical is it for a person in his early 30’s who is not a sports-show biz celebrity but is an unknown individual with no accomplishments to write a couple autobiographical books? Seems to be a way of laying the groundwork for the future. I’ve surmised that he was picked to be part of the new generation of black leadership in this country, talking black whilst channeling the black population onto the preferred pathways. However, in an actual election against former Black Panther Bobby Rush he lost. It was probably discerned that he had crossover appeal and could attract white voters so he moved-or was moved- onto the larger stage. He seems like a bird living in a gilded cage, leading life as a star reading his lines well but circumscribed as to what he can actually do, that is, were he actually to have an interest in doing anything of any importance.

  15. @unit472

    I don’t know how mobile one is in a flight pressure suit. I doubt McCain was in a position or had the training to fight the fire. He would have been in the way.

    Still I have seen the same video and I still wonder just what happened???

    MY QUESTION FOR RON UNZ: HOW DO WE STOP McCAIN FROM GETTING RELECTED???

    Please Please Arizona wake the F%&* up and retire this clown!!!

    • 回复: @Chris Mallory
    , @Anonymous
  16. The NSA might be blackmailing Barack Obama. According to whistleblower Russ Tice, the NSA spied on Obama before he became president.

  17. @anonymous-antimarxist

    I doubt McCain was in a position or had the training to fight the fire.

    What I have heard from the people I knew who were in the Navy, is that every sailor is a fireman . It doesn’t matter if you are a pilot or a cook, you learn to fight fires on board.

    • 回复: @unit472
    , @Anonymous
  18. rod1963 说:

    The problem isn’t McCain, it’s those brain damaged Republicans in AZ who keep sending that corrupt, pro open borders, anti American worker, war mongering POS back to the Senate time after time.

    • 回复: @Maj. Kong
    , @J Green
    , @Henry
  19. @anonymous-antimarxist

    Agreed. In that sense, the Japanese are smarter than some give them credit for. You can’t change the past, its over, time to move on.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
    , @Anonymous
  20. Maj. Kong 说:
    @rod1963

    He faced a serious challenge only in 2010, from a man described as the least intelligent congressman.

    More telling about voter gullibility in AZ, is that Jeff Flake had a decade long record supporting unlimited immigration, but said he opposed in 2012, before turning right back around again in 2013.

    If McCain is defeated in the primary next year, it’s quite likely a Democrat will win the seat.

  21. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    According to Bob Kerrey’s wikipedia bio, what you say about him is not true.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Kerrey

    • 回复: @tbraton
  22. unit472 说:
    @Chris Mallory

    I didn’t expect McCain to lead the fire fighting team but since this was literally an ‘all hands on deck emergency’ cluttering up the ship’s sick bay for a minor injury or wound seems outrageous conduct when men with life threatening wounds and burns needed treatment.

  23. Hersh 说:

    Or, another explanation one runs across: The first briefing a US president gets is to sit and watch a film of the Kennedy assassination taken from the grassy knoll.

    Another thing about McCain – his grandfather, “Slew” McCain was nearly courtmartialed by Navy Secretary Forestal over his role in getting American ships into Typhoon Cobra. McCain was saved by political connections way back then.

    McCain has always gotten a lot of media promotion, even before he went to Congress. Probably has more to do with his father covering up Israel’s attack on the USS Liberty than anything else, IMO. The only Medal of Honor awarded in a secret ceremony at a Navy Yard. Not 1 in 100 Americans know about it. Ask the average American how long Iran held those embassy hostages and they think it went on for 20 years. Probably think Iran killed a few hundred or more.

    However. Why suspect something deep and hidden? George W. Bush and Barack Obama marched across the bridge in Selma and were lauded for what great lovers of humanity. Both of them have responsibility for enormous harm to literally millions of people, including killing, wounding, orphaning, widowing, destroying homes and livelihoods, inflicting unimaginable (for us) terror far, far beyond what any policeman in Alabama did 50 years ago.

    It all depends on what the media puts in front of us. Some policeman with a snarling dog or a water hose upsets us. John Lewis got beat up. Terrible. He’s still alive and prosperous for many, many years now. Obama’s drone killed 7 and 9 year old boys collecting firewood. Doesn’t bother anyone who matters.

  24. jimbojones 说:

    And this is even without mentioning McCain’s rather direct links to ISIS. That guy is a walking pile of human wreckage backed up by some very powerful and insidious interests.

    • 回复: @Orville H. Larson
  25. anon • 免责声明 说:

    Is this your best effort Mr. Unz??

    A ton of news stories this month and you are beating up McCain for what happened years ago?

    Lay off the spiked cool-aid or stop writing.

    Otherwise they’ll send a black helo for you.

    If it weren’t for Sailer I could skip this nut jar of a website.

  26. @anonymous-antimarxist

    拘留 不能 Interment. Gosh at least we did not bury Japanese Americans alive during WWII. The SPLC would never let us hear the end of it.

  27. p s c 说:

    Have the names of any US servicemen POW who collaborated with the enemy (North Vietnamese) ever been identified by the Pentagon and released publicly? What about POW that were released early? Were these men collaborators or were they released early on humanitarian grounds or part of some other negotiation?

    If yes, what was their punishment?

    As a teen growing up, I remember a made for TV movie about POW and future senator Jeremiah Denton. From my recollection, the movie showed a few American collaborators who were depicted as living the easy life in prison versus the savage treatment meted out to POW who refused to collaborate.

    • 回复: @TootMeUp
  28. What I recall of McCain in the 1980’s was a fairly conventional Arizona Republican. He voted against the Martin Luther King Jr. Holiday, by the way.

    As a TV Talking Head, McCain was also somewhat cautious about military intervention, Desert Storm, in particular.

    This seemed to change after the Keating Five Scandal. McCain went out of his way to take positions calculated to win media favor. He supported Clinton’s military actions and to this day, shows tremendous enthusiasm for any war the neocons advocate.

  29. MQ 说:

    if this is true, where are the tapes or perhaps just the eye(ear)witness accounts of fellow prisoners hearing them? Seems like someone would have an overwhelming incentive to come forward with those…

    the one link to testimony by ex POWs in this article is a broken link.

    • 回复: @RW
  30. Dave37 说:

    An Admiral’s son probably says enough but getting shot down and captured is enough to get anybody elected (though shot down and imprisoned is not to be dismissed as if it were nothing since he was representing us in war). And the Liberty thing seems to have been a widespread conspiracy in both governments, what was really going on there we may never know. The abandonment of POW’s in VN is depressing though tempered by the fact that there were many who had gone awol and lived in VN, usually because of a big drug habit. But hey, we’re all buddies now.

  31. Biff 说:

    He sang like a bird to get the comfy pillows.

  32. @anon

    Yeah, this is totally lame.

    McCain is a fool & an ass & a prating coxcomb. Was he also a traitor? At this point, it just doesn’t matter. He’s out of the running, & good riddance.

  33. Priss Factor [又名“ K. Arujo”] 说:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “Agreed. In that sense, the Japanese are smarter than some give them credit for. You can’t change the past, its over, time to move on.”

    History exists to be milked for power in the present and future.

    Without milking the past, what would blacks have?

    Of course, it was more difficult for Japanese-Americans to milk for guilt since Japan attacked the US first.
    And the ‘internment’ was hardly one of the great horrors of the 20th century.
    In comparison to most horrors, it counts as a picnic.

    But it was still a lot harsher and unjustified than anti-communist crusade in the 50s. But for some reason, communist Jews of the McCarthy period get more sympathy than Japanese-Americans of the WWII period.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @Carroll Price
  34. Anon • 免责声明 说:

    Apropos of McCain senior, Walter Borneman in his book The Admirals claims it was Halsey’s fault the fleet sailed into a hurricane, not McCain’s. Halsey ordered McCain to do it. In fact, Halsey ordered fleets to sail into hurricanes twice, acts which enraged Halsey’s superior, Admiral Ernest King. King said he could have forgiven Halsey one hurricane, but not two. Both King and Admiral Nimitz wanted to cashier Halsey after these disasters, but they were stuck with him because he was a war hero by then, and it would have been bad for morale–and created a tremendous uproar–to get rid of him.

    As for McCain junior, the basic personality trait he’s shown in any given situation is opportunism. He’s never been in a group that he didn’t try to schmooze and win over, from Arizona voters to Vietnamese captors. Narcissists like McCain always try to turn every situation to their own advantage, and they do it without a qualm.

    • 回复: @Orville H. Larson
  35. Kiza 说:

    Hello Ron, I am glad that I have not missed this great write up of yours. Here are my two takes from this article.

    First, I do strongly support your point that skeletons in the closet are a must to be promoted by the puppet master. One of my pet interests is the puppets that the US appoints as “leaders” in the conquered countries (after color revolutions etc). I do have hard evidence that these individuals always have a heavily compromised past. Now it is true that the CIA selects them and appoints them, which is unlikely to be the case on the US domestic scene, but maybe the elite which stands in the shadow of the CIA and the US political system are one and the same. In general, the CIA is always extremely proactive in recruiting promising cadres in all countries around the World and some of its famous acquisitions which turned rogue were: Saddam Hussein, Ho Chi Minh, Manuel Noriega and so on. War happens when an assets sheds the puppeteer’s strings. Furthermore, I strongly believe that the chief purpose of the NSA surveillance is to have information on every and any potential leader, in the US and overseas, for exactly the same purpose of puppet control. Then, anything could be used against the “leader” from a fact that he left a pregnant girlfriend in highschool to have an abortion on her own (or dropped her into a Chappaquiddick lake), through cheating on tax, to having multiple intercourse at a frat party for a female “leader”. In summary, I firmly believe in the universality of the following cynical political maxim: compromised individuals are the most suitable political leaders.

    Second, I am interested not only in what MSM show then in what they do not show. The fact that MSM lie so much about “what happened” should never distract us from what MSM lie as “did not happen”. The ability of MSM to switch peoples’ brains off and on in such precise fashion (“facts” they you should know and real facts they should forget) is a never ceasing source of shock and awe to me, especially because I worked in the media. One of the most effective manipulation tools is: “someone would have talked“, despite hundreds of examples, one of them this case of McCain, where either someone talked and was declared by the regime a conspiracy nut or just nobody talked to risk job, social status, life or family. In conclusion, the MSM clearly operate on the basis of both emphasis of lies and de-emphasis of truths to always establish an alternative reality, because only the perceptions matter. The frequency of repeating the lies and not repeating the truths is probably the most misunderstood tool of MSM (repetitio est mater stupidorum): do not blink or the truth will pass you.

    • 回复: @Bill
  36. miles 说:

    I’ve privately worried the reasons for the NSA’s seemingly overweening grasp for the private electronic communications (texts, emails, browser histories) of so many regular Americans was for the purpose of obtaining at least one guarded secret of practically any potential political, social, or economic person of importance at the national level. Hope I’m wrong about it.

  37. Carlos 说:

    Great article Ron. Please keep up the heat while McCain is still alive.

    I remember reading all about this when McCain was running for president. I seem to remember reading about a video of McCain with a Vietnamese prostitute while his brothers were barely scraping by.

    Hopefully you can find reference to this as this is another way he could be blackmailed.

    • 回复: @Maj. Kong
  38. Giuseppe 说:

    Can I take back my vote now for Tokyo Rose?

  39. One aspect of this very interesting article was particularly enlightening. It seems that no-one in the US political system rises to the top or near the top of the greasy pole unless those who actually run the country have something on them that can be used to keep them in line. This applies to every president since Truman (mob ties) up to and including the present incumbent. An examination of those fatal flaws in the incumbent’s character or personal history would make a fascinating study in its own right, particularly when analysed in the light of their major policy decisions.

    • 回复: @Orville H. Larson
  40. The big question that haunts me is why the people of Arizona keep voting for him? John McCain the senile senator from the state of Arizona. Must be something in the water.

  41. rod1963 说:

    Mr. Unz is right there is no doubt about the people who rise to the top of our political system are generally badly compromised individuals. People that most of us wouldn’t let babysit our pet rocks, some are as Mr. Unz points out are outright criminals of the worst sort.

    Yet… these people attract the big donors, nods from powerful beltway insiders and MSM positive spin needed to win office time after time. While the honest sort who seeks real change ends up circling the drain or at best serves a couple terms in the House and then leaves.

    These shadowy power brokers all seem to work together.

  42. Anonymous • 免责声明 说: • 您的网站
    @anon

    Both conservative and liberal drones are great at one thing online–being petulant and taking offense. Boo hoo.

    This article is great because it really exposes how the elite dominate us through propaganda.

  43. joe 说:

    This is not surprising. Inf act it is a family trait as his father, Admiral McCain, lead the cover up and suppression of the real truth about the Israeli attack on the Liberty, and the war crimes committed by Israeli pilots who killed those in life boats. And now McCain is an ardent supporter of the Israeli right from whom he takes his orders. Is treason in the McCain family gene pool? Sounds to me like it is.

    However, by capturing McCain the Vietnamese may have saved the American taxpayer as he was in inferior pilot who lost five aircraft and only remained a pilot because of his father’s influence.

  44. jon 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Jews are tough and aggressive. Japanese are wussy and wimpy.

    Verbally. Verbally.

  45. Thanks Ron, a very good article.
    I do not believe McCain was ever tortured except by his own self-delusion and guilt.
    Many years ago, I visited Hoa Lo Prison which is now a museum. This prison was originally built by the French at the turn of the last century. It was here that the Vietnamese were tortured by the French. During the Vietnamese War ( The American War, to the Vietnamese)it was known as the Hanoi Hilton. This is where they, at one stage, kept McCain.
    If you visit this museum you can see McCain’s complete flying suit and helmet. As a bonus there are many black and white photos of him in bed in plaster casts on his arm, shoulder and leg.In most of the photos he is smiling. The Vietnamese say his injuries were caused by the way he exited his aircraft. He panicked and did not follow emergency procedures. They pulled him to safety and immediately gave him medical attention. The pictures are all there for anyone to see. Some torture.
    I was reminded of all of this and his bad temper when I saw him on TV at the senate hearing with Henry Kissinger. They were interrupted by Code Pink and McCain called them scum. I wonder who were the real scum.

    • 回复: @Kiza
    , @Boomstick
    , @TST
  46. Bill 说:
    @Kiza

    In summary, I firmly believe in the universality of the following cynical political maxim: compromised individuals are the most suitable political leaders.

    The pattern is more general than that. Leaders who are themselves in some way insecure (here I don’t necessarily mean emotionally insecure—the insecurity could come from the objective facts of reality) generally choose defective subordinates. Defective subordinates are easy to control. Defective subordinates are unthreatening.

    This strategy has weaknesses as well as strengths, however. Defective subordinates are defective. You hire subordinates in the first place in order to, like, delegate. A subordinate who makes bad decisions or who inspires contempt in people you need can easily become a liability, especially in time of crisis. Not to mention that the same defect that makes your subordinate controllable by you may eventually make him controllable by someone else.

  47. Jake 说:

    This is an interesting article, and I might be persuaded by it were it not for these claims coming out in 2008 – just as John McCain was running for President. They seem more likely to be part of a pre-election smear campaign. That these alleged facts were unearthed by left-leaning media outlets only strengthens this belief.

  48. A 1969 wire story confirmed by no other hard sources might possibly be inaccurate or distorted. Or maybe not, of course – but it seems a weak foundation on which to build such a serious accusation. (Especially since McCain has admitted to giving a coerced confession on one occasion – are we really sure that this statement above, even if authentic, is not the same one he has admitted to making?)

  49. Maj. Kong 说:
    @Carlos

    It’s already established that McCain cheated on his first wife, and married his second wife mainly for the wealth.

  50. anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    In regards to leaders being compromised individuals it brings up the recent revelation that the US had tapped Angela Merkel’s phone as well as that of other world leaders such as Brazil’s Rousseff. I would imagine the blackmail net is all-encompassing, including foreign students studying here who have the possibility of climbing the ladder once they return home.
    Boris Berezovsky reportedly had the idea of creating a fake democracy in Russia with two parties, one a socialist-democrat one and the other a neoconservative one, where they would pretend to be in opposition and draw off people’s energies debating issues of symbolic value. This struck me as being eerily similar to the American system which is clearly based on manipulating the public through spin, fear, lying, focus-group advertising and a constant pounding of the drums. So the question is who really runs things and for whose benefit? Are there ’roundtable groups’ hammering out what is going to be done? At this point things become rather murky.

    • 回复: @Sandy
  51. donut 说:

    ” whitewashed the potentially devastating “Liberty Incident,” with its hundreds of dead and wounded American servicemen,”

    The number of killed on the USS Liberty is usually given as 34. That’s bad enough and we should have retaliated severely enough to put the fear of god into them since force is the only thing they understand . But while some people like to toss around absurdly high numbers , 6,000,000 for example , I don’t think it is helpful to do so . Unless you can have a law passed making it illegal to dispute.

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  52. Ron Unz 说:
    @donut

    The number of killed on the USS Liberty is usually given as 34.

    Absolutely correct. However, according to the accepted figures provided in the Wikipedia link, the number of “dead wounded” was 34+171=205, which is “hundreds” though admittedly right at the edge.

    • 回复: @donut
    , @donut
  53. Thanks for the excellent article.

    I’ve heard a lot of rumours that John McCain’s performing the banned aircraft launch maneuver, known as a “wet start,” was respsonble for the deadly fire aboard the U.S.S. Forrestal.

    Anyone here know anything about that?

    • 回复: @Boomstick
  54. donut 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Even though your nos. are technically correct I think it is always a mistake to try to inflate them . As in the Holocaust , the insistence of the 6,000,000 number has led to a debate focused on the accuracy of the figures which can lead to a debate whether or not the event even happened at all . . If anything it is better to understate the nos. that way those who would deny that anything happened are better off not addressing the issue at all .

    • 回复: @guest
  55. donut 说:
    @Ron Unz

    By the way I asked before , why didn’t you stay with physics ? You never answered and you certainly don’t have to , but I’m just curious .It seems to me to be so much more interesting a field . And even if you can’t make make a mark in the field , just to be able to grasp whats going and be a part of it would be to me very rewarding .

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  56. Kiza 说:
    @Silver Miner

    I second everything you have written – have been to Hanoi Hilton, have seen the fly-suite and the photos. Only to add: McCain looks well fed too, in a country under blockade, sanctions, war and famine. If there was any torture it must have been only psychological because he grins like an idiot in the photos.

  57. @TenD

    Ambitious politicians like John McCain and the ones you and the author mention, are all rotten and dishonorable by nature. Which means they don’t have to make any conscious decisions on becoming scumbags.

  58. @BB753

    As an individual born in Kenya, and thus ineligible to serve as US president, Obama undoubtedly ranks as the most obvious blackmail candidate of all time. Which, of course had a lot to do with why the Zionist chose him to become president.

    • 回复: @Jimbo
    , @Anonymous
  59. Carlos 说:

    @Maj Kong.

    I’m not talking about cheating on his wife. I’m talking about banging whores while he was a POW. While his fellow servicemen were being tortured. This was filmed and I’m pretty sure the Russians have access to it as well.

  60. Ron Unz 说:
    @donut

    why didn’t you stay with physics?

    Well, I’ve sometimes regretted my defection from theoretical physics during the mid/late 1980s, and there were several causes. One was the total stagnation of the field in that era, which also caused the departure of perhaps 80% of my age-cohort around the same time, including many of the most able.

    As for another factor, here’s a link to something I published a couple of years ago:

    https://www.unz.com/article/no-quotas-no-elite-public-high-school/

    • 回复: @guest
  61. keypusher 说:

    McCain kind of sort of almost admitted to this in his 2008 acceptance speech.

    A lot of — a lot of prisoners had it a lot worse than I did. I’d been

    mistreated before, but not as badly as many others. I always liked to

    strut a little after I’d been roughed up to show the other guys I was

    tough enough to take it.

    But after I turned down their offer, they worked me over harder than

    they ever had before, for a long time, and they broke me.

    When they brought me back to my cell, I was hurt and ashamed, and I

    didn’t know how I could face my fellow prisoners. The good man in the

    cell next door to me, my friend, Bob Craner, saved me.

    Through taps on a wall, he told me I had fought as hard as I could. No

    man can always stand alone. And then he told me to get back up and

    fight again for my country and for the men I had the honor to serve

    with, because every day they fought for me.

    http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/conventions/videos/transcripts/20080904_MCCAIN_SPEECH.html

  62. Dave37 说:

    I think the aircraft carrier explosions mentioned in the responses was due to very old munitions and as far as his smiling in photos, well his captives could have required it. I can’t judge his actions, they could have broke him, he wouldn’t have been the first. You don’t have to like him to have some respect for him.

  63. Boomstick 说:

    McCain has said many times he gave his captors information under torture. Very nearly all the POWs did, with a few very rare exceptions. The military has since recognized this, and the POW code now states they must resist “to the best of their ability.”

    Prisoner treatment improved significantly after 1969, when there was a leadership change in North Vietnam and they figured out the POWs were worth more alive. An account by a McCain critic and former POW is here:

    http://www.alternet.org/story/95825/i_spent_years_as_a_pow_with_john_mccain,_and_his_finger_should_not_be_near_the_red_button

    “John McCain served his time as a POW with great courage, loyalty and tenacity. More than 600 of us did the same. After our repatriation a census showed that 95% of us had been tortured at least once. The Vietnamese were quite democratic about it. ”

    He’s also vouched for by many other fellow POWs, including Bud Day (Medal of Honor). He was offered early release, and refused, instead insisting on release by reverse order of capture.

  64. Boomstick 说:
    @unit472

    Much of the Forrestal incident is on film. (The Navy films a lot of flight deck operations for safety analysis reasons.)

    Another A4 pilot who jumped broke a bone of the jump from the cockpit. The other pilots who got out of their planes generally just got below decks as well. I think there was one exception, an ops officer/pilot who took over a DC team below deck, after he got there via an unusual route from the flight deck. There were no fire fighting teams on deck after the first WW2 surplus bombs cooked off and killed the first DC team on the scene. McCain was hit in the legs and chest with some bomb fragments. He helped toss ordnance overboard for a while.

    “The young pilot climbed out of his Skyhawk, poised perilously on the A-4C and then leapt through the flames and ran for his life. As he did so the naval aviator saw another pilot jump and roll clear of his aircraft but the flames caught his uniform ablaze. LCDR McCain turned back to help the man when a bomb exploded and knocked him off his feet and backward about 10 feet.”

  65. Boomstick 说:
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    It’s false. The start of the fire is on film, and the Navy did a long investigation and writeup at the time.

    There were a lot of safety procedures that were not being followed during deck handling, and unsafe ordnance was being used because they were out of modern bombs. A rocket fired across the deck and hit the plane next to McCain’s. The spilled fuel ignited and caused the unsafe bombs to cook off. As is often the case with these things, a series of errors cascaded into a catastrophic result.

    The “wet start” charge is complete nonsense. The tail of McCain’s jet was pointing out over the ocean.

  66. Boomstick 说:
    @Silver Miner

    Injuries when ejecting from a jet are very common. McCain’s his leg was broken and his arm broken in three places and when he bailed out. He was refused medical treatment until he signed a “confession.” According to multiple fellow POWs he was near death.

    Torture of POWs at the time McCain was captured was nearly universal. If you’re buying into the North Vietnamese account of how well they treated prisoners you’re a willing dupe.

    I’m no great fan of McCain as a politician. He was no intellectual as an officer. But as a POW he resisted better than most, according to his fellow POWs.

  67. When the North Vietnamese discovered John McCain was the son of Admiral McCain, they thought he was some kind of royalty. This may not have been a good thing for John McCain III as his captors may have tried harder to break him than if his name was John Doe.

    McCain probably resisted prison and torture as well as could be expected. The evidence is not 100% either way.

    That being said, I despise John McCain as a politician.

  68. Toddy Cat 说:

    I don’t know anything about McCain, but a lot of the stories about Hoover being queer were KGB disinformation, and admitted as such. See http://www.petievich.com/index.html for details, as well as any good book on the KGB. Hoover certainly had his faults, but he deserves to be remember for what he was, not by a commie smear.

    • 回复: @anonymous
  69. Sam J. 说:

    “…However, in America and in some other Western countries, this seems to be less and less the case, with top national figures merely being attractive front-men selected for their popular appeal and their political malleability, a development that may eventually have dire consequences for the nations they lead…”

    This is the most important part of the article. It’s in all Western countries.

    [更多]

    发现者

    Here’s the FOIA acquired report from the customs agent that was taken off the case.

    Memos written by Special Agent Ramon J. Martinez, United States Customs Service

    Uncle Jimmy took me to his sick parties: Nephew tells how his childhood was stolen at 13

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213636/Uncle-Jimmy-took-sick-parties-Nephew-tells-childhood-stolen-13.html

    联邦调查局调查了“ Presidio儿童骚扰报告”(这被称为歇斯底里症,但其中一些儿童患有性传播疾病)

    http://articles.latimes.com/1987-08-11/news/mn-846_1_child-molestation

    据说其中一名与儿童有关的人是一名军事情报官。

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican16a.htm

    “…Italian news reporters, who
    broadcast scenes from the films [child rape pedophile snuff] live at prime time on Italian
    television to more than 11 million Italian viewers.

    http://www.prothink.org/tag/arie-scher-georges-schteinberg-israeli-pedophiles/

    http://www.sott.net/article/244380-Beyond-the-Dutroux-Affair-The-reality-of-protected-child-abuse-and-snuff-networks-in-a-world-ruled-by-psychopaths

    http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2008/02/jersey-channel-tv-names-top-people.html

    富兰克林丑闻深度报道–作者:尼克·布莱恩特

    http://www.franklincase.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=85&Itemid=21

    http://www.isgp.nl/2013_10_10_Beyond_Dutroux_ties_to_France

    http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/article_archive.htm

    Pictures of Pres. Bush with homosexual prostitute

    As for what they have on Obama. I don’t know if this is true or not but she does have a very odd digit ratio and has enourmous shoulders for a Women.

    http://www.sodahead.com/fun/is-michele-obama-a-man-or-a-woman/question-4228389/?page=7

  70. anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Toddy Cat

    a lot of the stories about Hoover being queer were KGB disinformation,

    He and Clyde Tolson went to outings such as sports events together all the time. They were a couple. They are buried next to each other which would make it seem that they were more than just co-workers.

  71. WhatEvvs [又称“迷惑”] 说:

    It is interesting what we “remember” of the past, and what we don’t. For example, the near-holocaust of hemophiliacs during the AIDs crisis before we instituted sensible controls over blood donation has been swept under the carpet.

    为什么?

    • 回复: @Hibernian
    , @Dave37
  72. Dave37 说:
    @WhatEvvs

    The Arkansas prison that produced the tainted AIDS blood was a scandal that passed over the Clintons. The only people the scandal affected was I believe in France. American politicians only stop the buck when it goes into their pockets seems to be the case.

  73. @jimbojones

    “. . .That guy is a walking pile of human wreckage backed up by some very powerful and insidious interests.”

    No shit. His controllers are AIPAC, neocon chickenhawks, defense industry PACs, and the like.

  74. @James O'Neill

    Well, you’re right. Those who reach the top echelon of politics–The Pantsuited One is a prime example!–are bought-and-paid-for hacks.

  75. @Carlton Meyer

    Yeah, McCain lives handsomely on Joe Sixpack’s dime, in addition to his second wife’s booze wealth.

    • 回复: @Fed Up
  76. @Anon

    In June 1945, Admiral Halsey, USN blundered Third Fleet into Typhoon Connie. Some ships were damaged, and more than 100 aircraft were destroyed/damaged. The Court of Inquiry recommended Halsey’s reassignment, but CinCPac retained Halsey (the man was “too big to relieve,” as it were).

  77. @BB753

    The logic of your supposition is that whatever anyone has on Obama that may have been affecting his policies and decisions is probably losing its potency in his final term with so little time left. At the very least he will be able to continue the tradition of dubious presidential pardons with impunity. Maybe he will need to be kept on the leash with some plausible promises of support for his post-presidential lecture tours..

  78. Bliss 说:

    there are also serious claims that he had some hidden black ancestry, a possibility that seems quite plausible to me given his features.

    J Edgar Hoover, like President Eisenhower, must have had african ancestry:

    http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/hoover_fbi.htm

    The American writer Gore Vidal, who grew up in Washington, D.C. in the 1930s, told the writer Anthony Summers that when:

    “Hoover was becoming famous, and it was always said of him – in my family and around the city – that he was mulatto. People said he came from a family that had “passed.’ It was the word they used for people of black origin who, after generations of inbreeding, have enough white blood to pass themselves off as white. That’s what was always said about Hoover.” (Anthony Summers, Official and Confidential: The Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover, 1993).

    Hoover’s ancestry was always a subject of speculation within the FBI, because of his lack of documented heritage that was always required when someone joined the FBI. Wesley Swearingen, a former FBI Special Agent (from 1951 to 1977), and author of the 1995 book FBI Secrets: An Agent’s Exposé, said that it was always viewed as a mystery the lack of documented evidence on Hoover’s background:

    “因为 for all the FBI agents, they’d go back and check everything about your family, your relatives, and everything else, to make sure they’re squeaky clean . . . and here, the Director, and nobody knows really where he came from . . . agents would get into topics like that where they on a surveillance or something, when they finished the crossword puzzle, and had nothing else to do, and they’d start talking about Hoover . . . all the agents would get onto the subject of his real tight hair, his tight, wirey hair, and speculation that maybe there was a little hanky-panky in his family . . . and then his facial characteristics were really unusual

    Here’s a pic of Hoover as a young man clearly revealing his african ancestry:

    Another pic, as an older man:

  79. Pat Casey 说:

    I suspect Mr. Unz likes a challenge, such as saying less than he knows, in a way that conceals what he does, and proves what he says without revealing special knowing. Is it really possible the mirage men have never approached such a man as him?

  80. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Priss Factor

    “what would blacks have without milking the past”? What rascist ignorant crap. Who milks the past more than the jews?They have used it to totally infiltrate your entire country. While azz rascists are busy hating blacks your entire media is zionist owned. Why do you dummies keep skirting around this fact? The crazy rich jews adelson the Krotches et all own your government. Chertoff whose family are among the founders of the slimy mossad is ready to put the entire nation in the fema camps.Your country .s finances are completly in the hands of the israeli fifth columists as is every other ctucial institution yet you focus on what tge blacks have. Good luck with that dumbazz mindset.

  81. J Green 说:
    @rod1963

    Precisely, what brain worm is in those Arizona Republican voters? Most of them are against illegal immigration yet they keep voting for one of the biggest advocates for illegal immigration. And what is “conservative” about having a new war every week, as John McCain wants to do?

    • 回复: @David In TN
  82. @J Green

    Republican voters are like that in every state, Tennessee for example. They sent Lamar Alexander back to the Senate last year. The terminally stupid GOP voters don’t pay attention to things like what their so-called representatives actually support.

  83. Clamdog 说:

    Interesting and convincing stuff.

    But Mr. Unz should update his views on MH17. I followed and still follow the matter assiduously and his article, which I found horribly unconvincing at the time, only looks worse and worse as more information continues to come to light.

  84. From following the links, it looks like McCain’s “propaganda” is just saying that he received medical treatment– this might only have been one time too.

    What I take away from this post and comments is that some fellow POWs corroborate McCain’s story and some deny it. I see that Guy and Larson claim no one was tortured in a specific facility, not that McCain wasn’t tortured. Since it seems McCain was moved at least once, this could mean he was tortured and G&L are correct. I think the fellow POWs who corroborate the torture need to be explained for this story to get any traction.

  85. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    A couple of points. Regarding Kerrey. I live in Nebraska and have met and spoken with Senator Kerrey several times. The charges that you outlined simply don’t hold water. First of all, the awarding of the Medal of Honor is a huge undertaking by the brass. Politics aside, the vetting process for the MOH would have revealed any “massacre” that Kerrey would have had a hand in. No, the Kerrey dirt is from the Clintons. Recall that Kerrey was running for President and Clinton needed to get rid of him. Now that we know of the Clinton’s modis operandi of character assignation, you can pretty much discount anything about Kerrey killing innocents.

    Now as for McCain. I was in the USAF and did a fair amount of time in around Vietnam. If there was any POW’s / Tokyo Rose’s broadcasting into Vietnam, I don’t know how anyone would know. We had one radio station that you could listen to and was Armed Forces Radio. I was in an intel unit and we did have the radio gear that would let us listen to New York and London Taxi cabs. But very rarely did one ever hear a spurious radio signal of an American POW. Not saying it couldn’t happen but not likely.

    Every time that I saw message traffic that included CINCPAC – Admiral McCain – I used to wonder how the man could soldier on knowing that his son was a POW. Don’t get me wrong, I am no fan of McCain but I have spoken with numerous POW’s and none of them ever said anything about McCain. Charley Plumb wrote a nice book on his experience as a POW and he detailed out the tap code. I seem to recall that McCain was in the same prison area as was Col Day and Lt Plumb.

    • 回复: @Chrisnonymous
  86. @Anonymous

    You should follow the links in the article. It is quite clear from the Stars & Stripes link that there were radio broadcasts, including at least one with McCain. It’s Stars & Stripes!

    But how many broadcasts did he make, and did the content ever differ from this one? I don’t see any evidence…

  87. If McCain were living the easy life of a collaborator, then I’d like to know why some of his fellow POWs thought differently.

    Mr. Unz, I followed Razib to this website. I was quite taken by your article showing that being a victim of violent crime predicted your proximity to a black neighborhood with greater than 0.9 accuracy. However, both the MH17 and this article feel like you are just throwing up some doubtful speculations to try to make something stick, and it makes me wonder whether I should put much stock in your other writing.

  88. Ron Unz 说:

    I try to avoid involving myself in my own comment-threads, but I suppose I should respond to a couple of these recent comments.

    @Tbird

    Regarding Sen. Bob Kerrey, I strongly suggest you read the massively documented 8,000 cover story in The New York Times Magazine that I provided as a link. The account of the massacre he ordered was based on a couple of years of detailed investigative journalism by veteran journalists, and the evidence included detailed independent eye-witness testimony and corroborating hard evidence. Sen. Kerrey himself was interviewed by the journalists several times during the process and when the story finally ran his only on-the-record response was that his memory was fuzzy about the events in question.

    Suppose someone accused me of ordering the massacre of innocent women, children, and infants, and my only defense was that I couldn’t quite remember what had happened that night. What would you think? You claim it was just a “Clinton Conspiracy.” Did the Clintons feed him some amnesia-drug?

    Regarding McCain, you say you simply can’t believe he did any Communist propaganda broadcasts. Just as “Chrisnonymous” points out, his broadcasts were actually reported in Stars & Stripes Magazine, which described him as Hanoi’s top “Songbird,” i.e. propaganda broadcaster. It’s universally acknowledged that at least some American POWs became Communist propaganda broadcasters, and since McCain’s name was emphasized in the media accounts at the time, it’s plausible that he was one of the biggest ones. I wasn’t there, but the high-credibility Vietnam vets I spoke with told me his activities were well known in their circles.

    @Chrisnonymous

    As the long 1999 article I linked from The Phoenix New Times recounts, some Vietnam POWs support McCain’s account while others (including two of the highest-ranking POWs) claim he’s being dishonest and was probably never tortured, or even describe him as an outright “traitor.” But as I emphasized, at the time of his release his father was one of America’s highest-ranking military officers and the Nixon Administration had annointed him our leading POW-hero. Meanwhile, in 1999 he was one of America’s most powerful U.S. Senators, with a net-worth of hundreds of millions of dollars from his wife, and a leading candidate for U.S. President. It seems much more plausible to me that lies would be told in his favor than against him. Furthermore, several of the POWs praising him most strongly had been given important government appointments through his political influence.

    As the journalist writing the piece said, the only way to determine which group of POWs were telling the truth about McCain would be to travel to Vietnam and talk with the people there, and that was obviously impossible for a local AZ reporter. However, in 2008, the New York Times did exactly that, and McCain’s Communist jailers explained how enthusiastic they were about having their old wartime buddy become U.S. President.

    I emphasized that this sort of circumstantial evidence is far from conclusive, and I’d just say it seems fairly likely to me that McCain was the wartime traitor so many people accuse him of having been. But, on the other hand, the evidence that the American government covered up the existence of many hundreds of never released POW/MIAs seems absolutely conclusive, and McCain was the leading figure in the later coverup and whitewash, leading me to strongly suspect he was being blackmailed by his own wartime record. If he were indeed the hero-POW you seem to believe, why do you think he was willing to lead the POW coverup?

    As a postscript, I should mention that after my article ran, I was contacted by an elderly and very prominent mainstream-conservative scholar who’d worked in Intelligence during the Vietnam War. He congratulated me on my expose, and said that even after all these decades he was still sickened by what had happened. Later, he passed along my article to a friend of his who’d served on the NSC staff for Reagan and had been tasked with the POW issue, who had exactly the same response.

    I wasn’t in Vietnam and can’t claim any personal expertise. But why would all these highly credible people who do have exactly that sort of background tell me these things unless they were probably true?

    Finally, these particular examples of our totally dishonest MSM fall into a much broader pattern, that I’ve previously written and which I’d suggest you read:

    https://www.unz.com/article/our-american-pravda/

  89. @Ron Unz

    I used to wonder why McCain went so easy on Obama during the campaign.

    He could have run a traditional Republican campaign and emphasized issues like Obama’s ties to Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers. For some reason, he went soft and refused to use Wright, while only briefly bringing up Ayers. He didn’t make much of an issue of Obama’s Muslim heritage issue either, even distancing himself from a political ally who emphasized Obama’s middle name (“Hussein”). He even scolded a campaign supporter who called Obama an “Arab” and responded that he personally thought Obama was a “family man.”

    At the time, it was widely assumed that McCain avoided these issues because he didn’t want to run a “divisive” campaign.

    Other aspects of McCain’s campaign were just too bizarre to explained by political correctness. For example, this was one of his early ads: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOrmOvHysdU

    Then there was his selection of Sarah Palin. Then there was his choice to “suspend” his campaign. Then there was his choice to spend his final days campaigning with “Joe the Plumber.”

    In retrospect, maybe David Axelrod had blackmail leverage over McCain?

    We know that Axelrod was able to get Blair Hull’s ( Obama’s opponent in the 2004 Senate primary) divorce records leaked to the media. Axelrod then got Jack Ryan’s (Republican Senate opponent) divorce records leaked. Given that the Obama family may have worked for the CIA in some capacity in the past, I wonder if perhaps Obama had friends in high places helping him out? Perhaps some of those friends offered Team Obama some interest files about POW McCain?

    I know that might seem far fetched, but you know what else is far fetched? Obama’s rise. He goes from an obscure state senator in 2004 to being one of the keynote speakers in the Democratic National Convention, then becomes a plausible Senate candidate (while both his opponents are ruined by divorce-related scandals). Then immediately after being elected to the senate, he starts running for president. Within 4 years, he’s elected to the presidency.

    This is a guy who doesn’t come from wealth or a powerful family. He has little in accomplishments prior to 2004, other than being a community activist and teaching law school. He’s gone decades without speaking much about politics. Somehow this guy becomes a party favorite in 2004 and president in 2008? How?

    Compare him to other presidential nominees. Almost all of them had substantial resumes in politics or the private sector before running for the presidency, or had impressive family names. Given the battering he’s taken from Republicans since 2009 and ineffectual behavior, I don’t think he’s a political genius either. So how’d an obscure undistinguished individual like Obama experience such a rapid rise?

    The CIA hypothesis could also explain why Obama has had such a hawkish foreign policy and is so favorable to the national surveillance state, despite running as a reformist dove during the 2008 campaign.

    • 回复: @tbraton
  90. CSZ 星条旗 article says nothing about repeated broadcasts. It refers to one broadcast which may well be the same one McCain has long admitted to having made. The UPI article says the same. The idea of repeated broadcasts seems to have been created by you out of no hard evidence.

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  91. Ron Unz 说:
    @James Kabala

    Well, the Counterpunch article I linked claimed that McCain did numerous broadcasts for the Communists, and seemingly credible Vietnam Vets had leveled similar charges. Pulitzer-Prize winner Sydney Schanberg mentioned the widespread use of McCain’s propaganda broadcasts in the POW camps to help break the other prisoners, which is why everyone knew about them.

    How is it possible to determine the plausibility of such serious charges without exhaustive research? Well, the Counterpunch article linked to the purported transcript of portions of McCain’s statement taken from one of the American news wire services that ran at the time and provided the date. Based on that date, I was able to locate the resulting Stars & Stripes article that seems to confirm the evidence. Everyone admits that some American POWs did collaborate and produce enemy propaganda, and for our leading military magazine to run an article singling out McCain greatly raises the likelihood that he was one of the most prominent. For all I know, extensive media research might locate additional articles.

    As I’ve emphasized, the evidence is hardly conclusive but seems reasonably persuasive to me. I suppose that your alternative hypothesis is that all these Vietnam Vets are leveling such enormously serious charges against Sen. McCain because…they’re all totally irrational “McCain Haters”…

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Wizard of Oz
  92. I didn’t vote for McCain (or Obama) and fully agree that he has been a negative influence on foreign policy, but the state of the evidence seems to be as follows:

    McCain: I admit that I cracked under torture and denounced the U.S. and that this was recorded by my captors. [He has never denied this.]

    Old article: A broadcast (singular) has been made in which Lt. McCain denounces the U.S.

    反击 and you: This article somehow proves that there were numerous such broadcasts. 反击 may refer to fellow P.O.W.s who despise McCain and have even claimed that he was not tortured, but the primary source for the “Tokyo Rose” claim is still this old article that, even if true, proves nothing beyond what McCain has admitted.

  93. The story of McCain the collaborator also sits uneasily aside the story of the defiant McCain as related by the Cuban psychologist. The 反击 author is throwing everything at the wall to see what will stick and does not even notice that these stories that he relates do not fit well together.

    • 回复: @James Kabala
  94. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    Anonymous Antimarxist: Young Lieutenant McCain would have been wearing a flight suit, a g-suit on his abdomen and legs, a survival vest, and probably a parachute harness (but not the parachute itself, which is in the ejection seat). To fly an A-4 on a routine mission, a pilot would not wear a full pressure suit, just the g-suit with his flight suit. As a fighter pilot of many years experience, I can attest that being in flight gear would not materially impede a healthy young attack pilot’s mobility getting away from the aircraft. As to whether John McCain would have been any use fighting the fire, if his inner fireman was as incompetent as his outer aviator and senator have proved to be I suspect he was less of a hindrance in sick bay than he would have been on the flight deck.

  95. Isabella 说:
    @anon

    出去的时候不要让门撞到你。
    Don’t think we’ll miss you one bit.
    再见。

  96. Jimbo 说:
    @Carroll Price

    I bow to no one in my contempt for the man, but can we please give this a rest?

    Even if he was born in Kenya, it would not affect his eligibility for the presidency. His dingbat mother was an american citizen, and thus he was one by birth no matter where he was born. And that’s all the “natural born citizen” clause refers to. All this birther nonsense is based not only on conspiracy mongering, but a complete misunderstanding of the Constitution.

    My own hunch (following the work done by Steve Sailer) is that Barack was raised to be a “deep cover” CIA asset from the get-go. I’m sure they have some compromising stuff, but I don’t think they really needed it in his case.

  97. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    Ron Unz went from incredulity to virtual certainty regarding a possible damning war record on the part of John McCain, and details for us another long hidden – and soon overlooked – war crime on the part of a war hero from the other side of the political isle, the case of Bob Kerrey.

    In other words, the media and political climate in this country is such that major public figures can escape thorough scrutiny – or the rightful consequences of such scrutiny – for long enough time to conduct political careers potentially landing them in the White House.

    How do we know that some such individuals have not already made it to that coveted residence? Indeed, how sure can we be that its current occupant is not encumbered by secrets which – had they been widely and fairly circulated public knowledge – would have denied him the highest office in the land? And, come to think of it, we already know that at least one declared candidate for the next Presidency is thus encumbered. A frightening state of affairs, indeed!

  98. Lex 说:

    So it was McCain on whom Bruce Dern character in “Black Sunday” was based.

  99. @James Kabala

    Since this thread seems to have come alive a bit, I will clarify what I meant in this comment a dashed off a few weeks ago.

    Of course I don’t know anything about the Cuban psychologist, Fernando Barral, and I agree that “Cuban psychologist working for the North Vietnamese” probably means “Communist prostituting his skill in the service of Marxism,” but I assume that he was nonetheless a human being and capable of the same basic powers of observation that all human beings have. Wouldn’t he have noted, “McCain was defiant and refused to denounce the U.S. Yet strangely, he is the same man who regularly denounces the U.S. on the radio.” – if in fact that paradox had been true?

  100. CK 说:

    Last night I watched a Smithsonian special called the Spy in the Hanoi Hilton.
    http://www.smithsonianchannel.com/shows/the-spy-in-the-hanoi-hilton/0/3419642
    One name conspicuously absent from any mention was McCain’s.

  101. Perhaps in a topsy-turvy Monty Python world, wartime traitors would be given medals, feted at the White House, and become national heroes,

    Do Communists and people in contact with the KGB count?

    • 回复: @Sandy
  102. If Tokyo Rose’s wartime record had launched her on a successful American political career and nearly gave her the presidency,

    Before I cast my vote, I would need to know her position on “electing a new people”. If sufficiently unreconstructed, she might be against it.

  103. Immigrant from former USSR [又称“佛罗里达居民”] 说:

    尊敬的Unz先生:
    Your design of this web-zine and blog is absolutely exceptional. To mention a few remarkable features:
    1. When you open any page, you see, what comments you have not open yet from the given computer.
    2. When somebody comments on the comment, you can see from each post, what was said originally, who commented, and what was the posted as a reply.
    3. You can see what was ever posted by the given author, by the commenter with any given name.

    Probably, other readers will point to some other innovations.

    我对您的问题:
    Have you considered the possibility to patent these innovations ?
    Have you considered the possibility to share these innovations with other blog-owners, e.g. with Taki ?
    Is it possible to put at least “Trademark” in these remarkable innovations ?

    To confess, I would like your achievements to be recognized,
    and you, as their author, to be glorified.

    I am sorry to sound extremely pompous, but that is how I feel.

    Please, moderate this comment out, but consider the suggested options.

    您的神父

  104. LondonBob 说:

    Sam Giancana paid off Hoover by fixing horse races and passing the big tips through Walter Winchell to the FBI Chief. That way J. Edgar Hoover could legitimately claim that he never directly accepted Mafia cash (see Double Cross and Summers). It is a matter of record that Hoover was, however, remarkably successful at the races . . .

    Hoover’s view of organised crime was astonishing, to say the least. As late as January 1962, Hoover denied its existence in the United States. He stated that ‘No single individual or coalition of racketeers dominates organized crime across the nation.’ It was not until gangster Joe Valachi was brought to Washington by Attorney General Robert Kennedy’s Justice Department to testify before the Senate that Hoover was forced to admit that his opinion about organised crime in American needed some serious re-thinking. (See Peter Maas, The Valachi Papers, New York, 1968.)

  105. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    I flew with an American Airlines Pilot who was also a prisoner in the Hanoi Hilton!
    He was only there for one year! He said
    “I don’t know how Alverez and McCann
    withstood more then six years and the torture, while in captivity”! I was lead to believe that McCann’s admiral father could have arranged for his relief earlier!
    But he refused to leave and stayed a full six years!
    迈克·F。
    Massapequa Park NY

  106. @Priss Factor

    “And the ‘internment’ was hardly one of the great horrors of the 20th century.
    In comparison to most horrors, it counts as a picnic.”

    Research by reliable scholars into the holocaust myth proves beyond doubt, that the above statement would also apply to German Jews confined to work camps during WW 2. If not, then why did the German government provide interned Jews with comfortable barracks, doctors, hospitals, concert halls, canteens, brothels and swimming pools? And if not, then how could some 3.5 million “holocaust” victims have survived the holocaust to collect life-long reparation payments?

  107. bick2863 说:

    Many years ago, annoyed by the universal reverence for McCain, I went to the New York Times archive for material on his captivity. Among the bits and pieces was an item dated within a week of McCain’s capture and before his family connection was generally know. North Korean sources were quoted to the effect that a recently-acquired captive identified as McCain had, under interrogation, given voluminous information to his captors.

    Although I downloaded the article, I lost it in a backup snafu. Later, as interest in McCain’s prison experience became of national interest, I tried to retrieve it from the Times’ archive. By then, however, the article was not to be found.

    I have had this experience – the disappearance of an embarrassing record from the Tims archive – with a couple of other inquiries. Winston Smith’s memory hole apparently is real.

    • 回复: @tbraton
  108. tbraton 说:
    @Robert What

    “Assuming it is true, what do you speculate was the reason for McCain’s wartime collaboration? Father envy?”

    Robert What? I posted something in The American Conservative about McCain sometimes after April 2010 (the date I first started posting there), which included a reference to the 1973 U.S. News World Report account of McCain and possibly the 2008 Counterpunch article, both alluded to by Mr. Unz, which I had just come across. After reading Mr. Unz’s interesting piece, I tried Googling “tbraton” in order to locate my post and came up with nothing. So I am forced to rely on my memory of something I read nearly 4 years ago. As best as I recall, one of the accounts I came across stated that McCain was pretty banged up after his plane crashed, and he was in desperate need of medical care. He admitted that he agreed to do whatever the North Vietnamese wanted in order to get medical care.

    After resolving not to, I just went back and partially reread the 1973 first person account of McCain in U.S. News per Mr. Unz’s convenient link, and this is what I discovered near the beginning:

    “我认为是在第四天,两名警卫进场,而不是一名。 他们中的一个拉回毯子,向另一个守卫展示我的伤害。 我看着我的膝盖。 这与足球的大小,形状和颜色有关。 我记得当我是一名飞行教练时,有一个同伴从他的飞机上弹出,摔断了大腿。 他惊呆了,腿上积满了鲜血,他死了,这对我们来说是一个惊喜,一个死于腿部骨折的人。 然后我意识到一件非常相似的事情正在我身上发生。

    “When I saw it, I said to the guard, “O.K., get the officer.” An officer came in after a few minutes. It was the man that we came to know very well as “The Bug.” He was a psychotic torturer, one of the worst fiends that we had to deal with. I said, “O.K., I’ll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.” He left and came back with a doctor, a guy that we called “Zorba,” who was completely incompetent. He squatted down, took my pulse. He did not speak English, but shook his head and jabbered to “The Bug.” I asked, “Are you going to take me to the hospital?” “The Bug” replied, “It’s too late.” I said, “If you take me to the hospital, I’ll get well.” ”

    That was what I remembered from several years ago. What he did was in violation of the military code, but, had I been in McCain’s position, I might have done the same, so I can’t fault him there. But I totally agree with Mr. Unz and Donald Trump that McCain is no war hero. I never did understand how the press got away with transforming a prisoner of war (who made no heroic attempts to escape, as far as I know, unlike a few others captured by the North Vietnamese) into a war hero.

    BTW I was surprised to read Mr. Unz’s account of former Sen. Bob Kerrey, since I subscribe to the NY Times. Upon clicking on the link, I discovered the April 25, 2001 date on the article. I was about four days into a three week trip to Greece with my girlfriend at the time. So it is easy to understand why I missed that story.

    • 回复: @tbraton
  109. tbraton 说:
    @tbraton

    I see from the link posted by RW above to the Col. Hackworth blog of Jan. 2000 that Hackworth had also noticed (years before I did) the same admission by McCain in the 1973 U.S News piece and labeled his actions as a violation of the U.S. Code of Conduct:

    “McCain’s Silver Star narrative for the period 27 October 1967 — the day after he was shot down — to 8 December 1968 reads: “His captors… subjected him to extreme mental and physical cruelties in an attempt to obtain military information and false confessions for propaganda purposes. Through his resistance to those brutalities, he contributed significantly towards the eventual abandonment…” of such harsh treatment by the North Vietnamese.

    Yet in McCain’s own words just four days after being captured, he admits he violated the U.S. Code of Conduct by telling his captors “O.K, I’ll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.”

    I may have read Col. Hackworth’s piece 4 years ago, but I have no clear memory of doing so. If I had, his piece would have clearly influenced what I posted.

  110. tbraton 说:
    @Anonymous

    Wikipedia’s account of Kerrey’s Bronze Star citation (21 Vietcong killed) seems at odds with Kerrey’s admission that they found after the firefight the bodies of 14 Vietnamese women and children. It seems to smack of John McCain’s Silver Star citation for his service as a prisoner of war.

  111. Father O'Hara [又名“蕾哈娜”] 说:
    @Priss Factor

    What about the Japanese brigade that went over and fought with great courage? To show their loyalty and to earn respect? Just like the “tough” Jews did—HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA etc.

  112. @Ron Unz

    甜酒

    This seems as good a place as I can find on your Review site to mention a left inclined TV documentary on the Vietnam War that I have just watched. It was made by 3DD Productions with both 2014 and 2015 given as dates at the end. I don’t claim to know enough to praise or damn it though it was pretty sloppy when it said that Kennedy sent in troops “for a war that would last 20 years”.

    However I take issue with one assertion from the not specially impressive bunch of experts. The Domino Theory “they all believed in it. But it was wrong.”

    That sort of glib stuff seems to feed on academics’ lofty claims to superior knowledge to those like Dean Rusk, McGeorge Bundy et al who are presumed not to know about historic enmity between Vietnam and China or the fractious relations between Mao and Kruschev. For my part I am impressed by the fact that really smart Asians were keen to have the North Vietnamese stopped for better reasons than the money their countries were making out of that war. Lee Kwan Yew was maybe the smartest 20th century statesman. Both he and his ethnic Indian foreign minister were clear in their support against the chance being taken that the Domino Theory was rubbish and all would live happily ever after once the highly diverse people of Vietnam had been unified under Ho’s iron fist. Given the Soviet Union’s still proselytising and expansionist mode it would hardly have been prudent to be naively optimistic. But the errors of execution!!!!

    BTW the Vietnamese who didn’t flee love the heroic Ho Chi Minh so much that, as I discovered recently on my first visit, they still call Ho Chi Minh City “Saigon”.

    • 回复: @tbraton
  113. tbraton 说:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I think you are underestimating the impact his 2004 keynote address to the Democratic National Convention had on his reputation. I think we saw the same thing with Julian Castro, the then mayor of San Antonio and now Secretary of HUD, who delivered the same keynote address at the 2012 Democratic Convention. He is now being talked about as the potential running mate for Hillary Clinton. I was talking to a female guard at my building a few years ago, and she thought Julian Castro had a bright future in politics. And that was based on one speech shown on TV. I expressed skepticism, wondering where he could go in Texas politics, but that was before his appointment to the HUD post. Somebody obviously concluded like me that Texas did not hold a promising future so the act should be taken to the national level.

  114. tbraton 说:
    @bick2863

    Several years ago (2006, I believe), when Barack Obama was being talked up as a Presidential candidate, I decided to do some research. I came across an interview he gave to the Chicago Tribune about two months before the 2004 Senate election in which he was running against Alan Keyes. In that interview, Obama stated that he was in favor of launching missile attacks against Iran if they “didn’t abandon their nuclear enrichment program,” that he was in favor of attacking Pakistan if President Musharraf were to lose power in order to destroy their nuclear weapons and that his Christian faith made him believe that marriage was between a man and a woman and, for that reason, he was opposed to gay marriage. The really remarkable thing is that this interview, which I originally found on the Chicago Tribune website, was deleted from the Tribune’s website about a year later. Imagine that, a local, hometown newspaper deleting from its records an interview with a future Senator from Illinois and a future President of the U.S. It boggles the mind. Fortunately the interview was preserved by another unrelated website, and I posted it several times on The American Conservative starting in 2010, after initially posting it on a Yahoo Finance message board where I first started to post. See http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-was-for-hitting-iran-against-gay-marriage This episode starkly illustrates exactly what Ron Unz has been warning about with respect to our mainstream media.

  115. @Ron Unz

    Another point of interest from the 3DD Productions doco on the Vietnam war, at least for quite a few contributors and readers, was the statement by one of the Vietnam specialists interviewed on LBJ v. HCM.

    Quite respectfully of the former, though acknowledged not to be strong on foreign affairs, it was said that he believed in using overwhelming force in aid of what he was good at, namely doing deals. But Ho Chi Minh wouldn’t deal because he knew he was going to win in the long run. After all he kept close control of the numbers and kept the death rate amongst his troops down to or below the birth rate. Does that bring any parts of the world to mind today? Actually not just Palestine and the Israeli Bedouins (though there numbers are still only 250,000l) but Chechnya maybe and the suburbs of Paris…

  116. tbraton 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    ” I don’t claim to know enough to praise or damn it though it was pretty sloppy when it said that Kennedy sent in troops “for a war that would last 20 years”. ”

    Wizard of Oz, I didn’t see the program and didn’t hear the dialogue, but the remark may have been referring to the claim that Eisenhower actually started the war in Vietnam by sending advisors there starting in 1955 after the split up between North and South Vietnam following the fall of Dien Bien Phu and withdrawal of France from Indochina. Despite the fact that there were only 1000 advisors there when Eisenhower left office in 1961, that claim is made to remove some of the taint from Kennedy who greatly expanded the number of advisors to more than 16,000 by the time he was assassinated. (That effort is coupled with the unsubstantiated claim that, if reelected, Kennedy had decided to completely withdraw from Vietnam. Kennedy bequeathed all of his military and foreign policy advisers to LBJ, who, relying on their advice, vastly expanded the war in Vietnam following his election in 1964.) From 1955 to 1975, when the South was defeated by the North, is roughly 20 years. Just my thought for what it’s worth.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  117. Realist 说:

    Sometimes in the morning I turn on Fox News for a few seconds to get my heart going. This is very dangerous, so don’t do it unassisted.
    This morning Chris Wallace was explaining why Trump was such an evil bastard for attacking McCain’s military service. Wallace stated that McCain was a Navy pilot who was shot down defending the United States. Who believes this crock of shit? We were under attack by north Vietnam? He was shot down over north Vietnam….not Toledo!
    This country hasn’t been in a defensive war since 1812.

    • 回复: @tbraton
  118. tbraton 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Carlton Meyer, I would add only one thing to your thorough and accurate indictment of John McCain (adding a lot of stuff I wasn’t aware of, btw, such as the disability pay ripoff): he graduated fifth from the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy. As I stated in a post on The American Conservative four years ago:

    ” tbraton说:
    四月25,2011 11时:下午53
    “Daniel wonders if McCain is ignorant. I wonder if he is senile.”

    Those states are not mutually exclusive. After all, he did graduate fifth from the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy (and probably shouldn’t have been admitted in the first place) and lost a total of five planes during his Naval flying career (and probably wouldn’t have won such a plum assignment but for his family connections). He is now 73 years of age. The brain cells don’t improve with age. . . .”

  119. @tbraton

    Yes I almost excused the statement on the ground you give, namely that it would prove to have been a 20 year war by the time it finished. But, as anyone who has read my posts will have noticed, possibly with irritation, I tend to pay precise attention to the words used and I would have marked down the editors of this program. Of course it doesn’t help that the presenter’s voice is so often that of someome trying to sound like Jeremy Irons playing a part in “In Which We Serve” and knowing bugger all about what the words are saying. A petty point you might think.

  120. tbraton 说:
    @Realist

    Realist, McCain lost a total of five planes during his naval career, including the one shot down over North Vietnam. Here’s what Wikipedia has to say about the first two aircraft McCain lost:

    “During a March 1960 practice run in Texas, he lost track of his altitude and speed, and his single-seat, single-pistoned-engine AD-6 Skyraider crashed into Corpus Christi Bay and sank to the bottom.”

    “The carriers were based at Naval Station Norfolk[63] and cruised in the Caribbean and in several deployments to the Mediterranean.[61] His aviation skills improved,[61][62] but around December 1961 he collided with power lines while recklessly flying too low over southern Spain.[62] The area suffered a power outage, but McCain was able to return his damaged Skyraider to Intrepid.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_and_military_career_of_John_McCain

    The second is especially illustrative of McCain’s reckless attitude and total disregard of the consequences to others of his dangerous decision making. In another account, I read that he tried to fly under some power lines and hit the power lines. The guy was flying a pretty expensive piece of equipment, and he decides to try a dangerous stunt, endangering himself, his plane, and others on the ground and resulting in the loss of electric power for days for many Spanish civilians. It does make you wonder whether his getting shot down over North Vietnam was a result of his lack of ability as a pilot. But, then, I believe a number of our guys who were much better pilots than McCain also got shot down over North Vietnam.

    • 回复: @Realist
  121. Realist 说:
    @tbraton

    “It does make you wonder whether his getting shot down over North Vietnam was a result of his lack of ability as a pilot. But, then, I believe a number of our guys who were much better pilots than McCain also got shot down over North Vietnam.”

    It appears you totally missed the point of my comment.

  122. @Ron Unz

    “…and the Nixon administration had anointed him our leading POW-hero.”

    Who determined that McCain would get a 12,000 word byline in U.S. News and World Report in 1973? Why McCain out of all the other POWs? Did his family name count that much or did he jump in front of the line? Indeed, it did make him in a way the number one hero of the Vietnam War.

    And he’s traded on it ever since.

    • 回复: @tbraton
    , @rod1963
  123. tbraton 说:
    @David In TN

    David in TN, I must say the hero status accorded John McCain because of his POW status has always puzzled me. I had an older brother who was in the army and served two tours in Vietnam. The first tour happened to coincide with the Tet offensive in 1968. He was an adviser to a crack South Vietnamese unit, and, while fighting the VC in a cemetary in Saigon, took an AK-47 slug in his lower back that nearly severed his spine, cost him his manhood, or took his life. Fortunately, none of those three real possibilities happened, and he returned to the States and recovered at Walter Reed. He was awarded either the Bronze Star or the Silver Star for his actions that day. But he never considered himself a “hero” for what he did. A few years later he returned to Vietnam for his second tour, which he served unscathed. About 20 years ago, I became friends with an older man who was one of my neighbors. He had fought as a draftee in Korea and was captured by the North Koreans. He was a POW. It must have been a hellish experience because he never wanted to talk about it. I like to cook, and one of the things I like to cook is lamb. He refused my invitations to dinner because the North Koreans had often served him and the other POWs “lamb” stew, which was probably made from rat meat. It must have been horrible, because it evoked a look of disgust 50 years later whenever lamb was mentioned. He did not consider himself a “hero” merely because he had been a POW. Like Donald Trump, I do not see how merely being a POW somehow makes you a “hero.”

  124. rod1963 说:
    @David In TN

    His father was a powerful admiral and member of the establishment who helped silence what happened to the U.S.S. Liberty. Guys like him have enough clout to destroy careers of senior officers with a just a word to the right people. They also have enough to make Annapolis keep his total screw up of a son on long enough to graduate.

    Consider the 12,000 word byline by USNWR a payoff for that loyalty to the state. That rag would have never done that for a legit hero like York, Murphy or a hundred other men who deserve such a write up.

    And no, POW status didn’t confer hero status on anyone. In WWII it certainly didn’t, even those on the Bataan Death March. That is clearly something that some powerful people in D.C. ordered to happen.

    People have no idea how powerful the media is in shaping reality to fit a certain narrative.

    Take my father for example who was a WWII combat medic and POW(and one of the last to leave via Odessa in 45) never considered himself a hero even though he was put in for a DSC(for heroism underfire during Operation Torch). He was just happy to come out in one piece.

    McCain is clearly a manufactured “hero” by the state and basically its attack dog. (Powell was another manufactured all star as well but he went bad). Who do they send out when a Senator strays like Cruz or Paul from the party line? McCain that’s who. Who is trotted when the neo-cons want war? McCain that’s who. Who speaks out when the Chambers of Commerce wants rational discourse on amnesty for illegals? McCain. Who was neck deep for arming ISIS in Syria with Libyan weapons? McCain. Who openly came out and attacked Trump and his supporters over securing the border? McCain.

    He’s somebody’s puppet. Still it’s clear he enjoys talking smack.

  125. TST 说:
    @Silver Miner

    McCain did not bail out. He went down with his plane and landed in Ho Truc Bac, North Lake in Hanoi. There is a marker along the road that passes by this site. These are the words on the marker translated from the Vietnamese:

    “On October 26, 1967 at Truc Bach Lake, troops and people from the capital city of Hanoi captured Air Force (Sic) Major John Sney (Sidney) McCain who was piloting an A4-B1 (Skyhawk) which was shot down at the Yen Phu Power Plant. This was the first of 10 planes shot down on that day.”

    It is my understanding that most likely McCain would have drowned in North Lake if he had not be rescued by local militia and civilian bystanders.

    • 回复: @John Boanerges Redman
  126. Kiza 说:

    Ha, Trump jumped on Tokyo Rose and repeated Chris Rock’s humor: heroes are those who did not get caught.

    It was Tokyo Rose who appears to have fired the first shot by stating that “Trump’s decision to join the election race brought out the crazies.”, which is a code word for people not part of the GOP establishment.

    This has obviously brought a chance for Trump to further develop his credo as a non-establishment candidate. The only risk he is running is to offend the military.

  127. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    https://www.ire.org/about/history/

    The Thunderbirds have gone underground. You can see mention on Gov. Doug Ducey ‘ s wiki page that he is a member. You can see reference to their history on phoenix waste management open golf tournament page. But at one time the Thunderbird (synonymous with rich rich rich white male Republican for starters) ran the Kiva Club and the Kiva Civic foundation openly. They brought McCain to town and he is their boy. Did I mention they are rich?

  128. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Chris Mallory

    I can confirm that statement. On a Navy ship fire is the ultimate enemy and “all hands on deck” is the message. For McCain to run to sick-bay would be universally considered a cowardly act.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  129. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    Ron, you “nailed” it.

    We do have a Deep State, candidates for high political office are vetted by the Deep State, and the Deep State prefers seriously flawed candidates — those who can be scandalized, discredited, and dropped at the first sign of independence or disobedience. In short, they have to be “blackmail-able”. This attention to detail prevents the kind of coup that Putin performed against the Russian oligarchs and their version of the Russian Deep State. By the way, this is nothing new. Woodrow Wilson was “owned” by Wall Street interests who kept him under control by threatening to reveal his sordid love affair with another professor’s wife at Princeton University. This control, more than anything else, might explain the US entry into WWI.

    The CIA and NSA are agents of the Deep State. There is evidence that suggests that the CIA is now running its own candidates for President, making full use of all of the (dis)information and covert action resources at its disposal. Think of it … the resources that the CIA uses to take down foreign governments directed at crediting or discrediting candidates for American political office.

    Conspiracy theory? Yes, and very likely to be truth. When did it begin in earnest? The takedown of JFK and Richard Nixon are good starting places, with the Deep State learning the hard lesson hat it is easier and cleaner to run their own, controllable, scandal-prone candidates for political office than to try to take out independent candidates who threaten their political and economic interests. How else can you explain Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Obama much less John McCain and Bob Kerry?

  130. @unit472

    You have some details wrong. McCain ‘pranked’ the F4 pilot behind him by causing the Skyhawk to belch a huge flame from the exhaust. This capability existed because the Skyhawk used two different switches to initiate engine start, one to start the fuel pump – that could flood the ignition chamber – and a second to actually ignite it. Procedure was to hit both switches simultaneously, you see. It was when this gout of flame engulfed the F4 that the Zuni missile on the F4 actuated and went forward, hitting the heavily oversized belly tank on the Skyhawk to rupture and ignite. Some of the rest I was not aware of. I had thought that the F4 pilot was trapped in his plane, FI, and it WAS an F4 directly behind, not another Skyhawk. Also, McCain was transferred within hours to the Oriskiny while the coverups ensued (including the overload on the Skyhawk, and others).

  131. @TST

    He DID bail out but did not correctly pull in his extremities which suffered from his carelessness NOT from attack from the Vietnamese.

  132. KA 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Thanks. But isn’t it America? All good politicians been outsourced to some distant lands.
    We create junk and they roll down on conveyers belt one after another . They are numbered alternatively 0 and 1 or GOP and Democrat for quick computerization.

  133. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Anonymous

    With all the attacks on Trump from the MSM and the right, including some ex-military (e.g., former desk jockey general in Germany turned CNN analyst, Mark Hertling), I say fuck it, let Hillary and the left put another thousand nails in the coffin of this once-civilized first-world country. Let NAMs, trannies, and bull-dyke generals run the military. We now live in a time when heroes are no longer defined by what you do but what is done to you, like getting captured, like Jessica Lynch or John McCain. Mark Hertling said on CNN today that he questions Trump’s intelligence and that Trump insulted this great volunteer military we have. Volunteerism is profitable these days, just like non-profits. General Hertling (USA, ret.) receives a pension of over \$130k/year from his volunteer work in places like Wiesbaden, Germany. After the end of the citizen-solider in WWII, we have had people in the military who’ve narcissistically expected adulation and glorification for merely “serving” in the military, and deification if they ever saw a combat zone.

    Business and businessmen made America great. Not the military and not guys who serve in the military. Industrialists, entrepreneurs, businessmen. There was a time in this country, its zenith, when the captains of industry were looked up to and people sought to emulate their success. No longer. We have devolved into deifying the military and athletes. John McCain and Jessica Lynch, are heroes because we now make victimization heroic.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  134. “The realization that many of our political leaders may be harboring such terrible personal secrets, secrets that our media outlets regularly conceal, raises an important policy implication independent of the particular secrets themselves”

    Good observation, recalling “Allan Dulles was a traitor” -Justice Arther Goldberg

    You could add John Foster Dulles, Prescott Bush, and George H.W. Bush to the list, it’d be a small start in the right direction. By the time you had caught up to today’s ‘family’ blessed leadership sponsored by the Doug Coe cult, you could toss in more than a few Republican senators as well as Rick Perry, Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton and it be the tip of a very big iceberg.

    You might wish to rethink Bob Drefuss at the Nation, his Ukraine pieces have been little more than Department of State talking points, or better said, lies as egregious as anything put out by the professional propaganda parrot Marie Harf –

  135. MarkinLA 说:
    @Anonymous

    I was lead to believe that McCann’s admiral father could have arranged for his relief earlier!
    But he refused to leave and stayed a full six years!

    This is a meme is making the rounds in the internet as proof that McCain was a hero. There is NO way a guy like McCain could have taken that offer. He would be personally ruined and his military family disgraced. McCain was trapped by his family history in Vietnam just as surely as he was when he had to apply to Annapolis where he gave every indication that he really didn’t want to be there.

    • 回复: @David In TN
  136. MarkinLA 说:
    @Anonymous

    “I don’t know how Alverez and McCann
    withstood more then six years and the torture, while in captivity”!

    I doubt anybody was tortured for 6 years. You are tortured to get information. After you have been there for awhile, nothing that you have is of any value unless you have advanced technical knowledge of the weapons systems used by the enemy and McCain and the average pilot would not fit this bill. What they would want to know is any information related to the bombing strategy so they can put their air defense missiles in the most advantageous place. They might also want to know what pilots are taught about evasive maneuvers so they can be countered.

    New prisoners come in who have more relevant information who have to be interrogated. The old useless ones are simply left to rot unless they do things that make their captors feel the need to show them who is boss like back-talking to the captors or trying to keep other prisoners from breaking. Sitting is a crappy cell in a place like Vietnam is a torture and can certainly lead to serious health problem and a much shortened life but it isn’t the same as the constant beating used to extract information we think of as torture.

    • 回复: @tbraton
  137. Art 说:

    Bad Trump – he is at it again – attacking one of the US Zionist Jews sacred cows.

    When Trump attacked “Mexicans” he broke the “race” propaganda screed. Mexico is a country not a race – Trump did not attack Latinos. Making Latinos a race is a propaganda ploy to keep American whites under the Jew thumb.

    McCain is the chief Gentile warmonger for the Jews. No matter the nature of the confrontation – attacking him is attacking them – attacking McCain in any way is questioning his authority on war.

    What is more dear to the US Jews then ever more middle east war.

    Just look at what is currently going on with the Iran nuke peace deal – Jews are doing everything they can to kill it – what evil.

    • 回复: @Realist
    , @rod1963
  138. Sherman 说:

    I’m not sure what’s more pathetic – the fact that this article was even written or the deranged reader comments.

    Whatever one thinks of McCain’s politics the man was a war hero. If he did commit such awful acts in Vietnam why didn’t W use it against him in 2000 or Obama in 2008?

    In fact, his war record was never, ever held against him in any campaign he ran in because there was nothing negative in it.

    Furthermore, instead of addressing McCain’s war record so many readers are using this article to write wildly off-topic hate-filled garbage about Jews, Israel and the Holocaust.

    The lunatic fringe is clearly alive and well. Do any of these losers even have jobs (or a girlfriend)?

  139. tbraton 说:
    @MarkinLA

    Markin, your point appears to be confirmed by the fact that North Vietnamese offered McCain early release which, to his credit, he nobly refused, insisting that release of POWs occur all at once or in order of captivity. He may have been motivated by the realization that his early release would result in embarrassment of his high ranking father, but, regardless, he did the right thing. (Although I found totally obnoxious the abysmal way he treated one POW who treated him back to health but grabbed at the opportunity to get early release when it was offered. As I recall, McCain basically shunned the man who had nursed him back to health upon his later release from the POW camp.) While noble, I don’t think his stance merited a Silver Star or justified making him a “war hero” after his release. I’m from the old school that maintains that medals for heroism should be awarded for actions of exceptional merit. Sitting in a POW camp, regardless of the conditions, while meriting our greatest sympathy, does not in itself justify the award of a prestigious medal or elevation to the status of a “war hero.”

    • 回复: @Orville H. Larson
  140. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    John McCain, J. Edgar Hoover, and Boris Yeltsin. These three men have two things in common: (1) All three fought against Communism; and (2) All three have been smeared by Ron Unz in one article based on unsubstantiated information.
    Please excuse me for being naive. I thought the rule in journalism was research and verify, then publish. Apparently Mr. Unz believes it is the opposite.

  141. D. K. 说:
    @Sherman

    “The lunatic fringe is clearly alive and well. Do any of these losers even have jobs (or a girlfriend)?”

    Mr. Trump does; Mr. Unz, I believe, does not.

  142. Art 说:
    @Sherman

    “using this article to write wildly off-topic hate-filled garbage about Jews, Israel and the Holocaust.”

    There is nothing off-topic when it comes to McCain’s warmongering for Israel – that is what he is all about – he is Gentile Johnny on the spot for US Jews.

    The Jews cannot hide these disloyal connections forever. Disloyalty engenders hate – it is human nature.

    Christianity says “we should hate the sin – not the sinner.” That goes for McCain and the Jews also.

  143. @MarkinLA

    “There is no way a guy like McCain could have taken that offer. He would be personally ruined and his military family disgraced.”

    There were a few who did take an early release. Ever seen the 1958 Korean War movie “The Hunters?” It concerns U.S. Air Force fighter pilots and their quest for air victories. It was based on a novel which had a somewhat darker (and more realistic) plot than the movie.

    The man on whom the Robert Wagner character is based continued in the USAF and was shot down over Vietnam. He was one who accepted the early release.

  144. Realist 说:
    @Art

    “McCain is the chief Gentile warmonger for the Jews.”

    Not so fast, there are a bunch in line for that title. All the Republican contenders, the goyim on Fox, CNN and the rest of the news media.

  145. Realist 说:
    @Sherman

    “Whatever one thinks of McCain’s politics the man was a war hero.”

    Bullshit! What was he fighting for? He was in an unnecessary war that cost the lives of 58,000+ Americans. He was no hero.

  146. McCain’s father cover up of the USS Liberty is a scandal on its own, but McCain’s reaction to vets who asked him a question about the American military victims of the attack against our ship caused him to hurle insult, and scream at the guards to throw out this “scum bag”! Now, he declared war on Trump, but, my money is on Trump.

  147. @Sherman

    Whatever one thinks of McCain’s politics the man was a war hero.

    So, what exactly did he do that was heroic? Was he captured while performing a desperate holding action covering the retreat of his platoon? Was he captured after charging a machine gun nest? Did he carry wounded men from the field of battle at great danger to himself?

    McCain didn’t do any thing heroic. He was shot down while doing the job he volunteered to do. He spent six years as a POW. By that standard, the guys held prisoner at Gitmo are heroic as well.

    • 回复: @vinteuil
    , @Art
  148. tbraton 说:
    @Sherman

    “Whatever one thinks of McCain’s politics the man was a war hero. If he did commit such awful acts in Vietnam why didn’t W use it against him in 2000 or Obama in 2008?”

    Sherman, a simple answer to your question is the firestorm Donald Trump has encountered as a result of his telling the truth about a national icon, the “war hero” John McCain. When you do anything that challenges accepted myths, you’re playing with dynamite. It’s probably the same reason that none of his political opponents said anything about FDR being a cripple and confined to a wheelchair (something FDR himself did his best to mask). When he died, most Americans were completely ignorant of the fact that he had been confined to a wheelchair as a result of polio. (I had a first cousin about 10+years older than I who was among the last Americans to contract that dreadful disease. He went for treatment to Warm Springs, Georgia for treatment, just like FDR, where he met his future wife, and afterwards went alone across the country to UCLA for his college education, became a very successful accountant, and fathered three lovely children. He drove himself around in a specially equipped car and tried to conduct his life like a normal person as much as possible. He refused to run his life as a victim and earned the great respect of everyone who knew him.) Donald Trump is not an especial favorite of mine, but his recent remarks about illegal aliens and his attacks against McCain have resonated well with me. And when I compare him to the rest of the Republican field, well, Mr. Trump appears to stand a little higher than most of the field.

    In your post, you blithely assert that “the man was a war hero.” What, exactly, do you base that on? I doubt whether you bothered to read his citation for a Silver Star, basically for getting shot down over North Vietnam and serving as a POW for five years. Do you really think that justifies according him status as a “war hero” and awarding him a Silver Star? If that’s the case, then your standards are in stark contrast to mine, as I have indicated in numerous posts (long before Trump hurled his charges) both here and elsewhere that I hold McCain in utter contempt both for his mindless belicosity and his abysmal record as a politician and a person.

    BTW I also took the trouble to review your posting history, and I found that you have a long trail of attacking a number of posters for their alleged “anti-Semitism” and their animosity toward Israel. The same question you ask of others should be directed at you: do you have a job? or is your full-time occupation as a troll spewing attacks against putative anti-Semites and defending our “ally” Israel while posting nothing of substance that might advance our knowledge? In sum, I think you are a total loser.

  149. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    “Soon thereafter he (McCain) became prominent as a leading national advocate of campaign finance reform, a strong pro-immigrant voice, and also a champion of normalizing our relations with Vietnam, positions that appealed to me (Ron Unz) as much as they did to the national media.”

    I take it Mr Unz has revised his positions on campaign finance “reform” and mass immigration?

  150. vinteuil 说:
    @Chris Mallory

    “McCain didn’t do any thing heroic. He was shot down while doing the job he volunteered to do. He spent six years as a POW. By that standard, the guys held prisoner at Gitmo are heroic as well.”

    很好的总结。

  151. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    I believe that John McCain is a terrible leader. His ineffectual candidacy for the U.S. Presidency may ultimately prove tragic. He is a RINO. But he flew 23 combat missions in Vietnam, was shot down on his 23rd mission and was captured. He spent 5 years in the Hanoi Hilton and no witness can even mildly impeach, in any credible, affirmative way, his version of events. Mr. Unz would have us believe not only that Lt. Commander McCain turned traitor, but that ample evidence exists of his duplicity. Far more than that, the MSM supressed the evidence to protect a moderate (foreign policy hawk) Republican while the first African American fought a close election that narrowly resulted in America’s first black president. That’s right, the MSM was concerned that McCain might lose so they protected him. What utter crap!!! I seriously doubt whether Mr. Unz (or Donald Trump) has the balls to be a passenger in a catapult launch or carrier landing in peacetime naval air ops, let alone possess the courage to fly 23 combat missions. I will be taking anything I see here in the future with a very large grain of salt.

    • 回复: @Art
    , @rod1963
  152. Art 说:
    @Chris Mallory

    “McCain didn’t do any thing heroic. He was shot down while doing the job he volunteered to do. “

    We must remember that Vietnam was a losing war – we killed over a million Vietnamese = plus Cambodians, and Laos folks also. We lost 66,000 troops. Those 66,000 come way before McCain in the hero department.

    Our political leaders and generals lied to all of us for years. McCain was part of all that losing. A hero – hmm.

    His following life certainly is not heroic. Being the prime Gentile mouth piece for the Jews against his country’s best interests is in no way heroic. There are other words for that.

  153. Art 说:
    @Anonymous

    Hey General – going to war does not give you a free pass the rest of your life.

    McCain’s undying support of fascist Zionist Israel puts him in league with the bad guys.

    Look at all the evil that has come our way because of 9/11 and our unjust political support of Israel by McCain and others.

  154. rod1963 说:
    @Anonymous

    Nothing McCain did in Vietnam merited the label “heroic” that was manufactured by our news media when he came whom.

    Compared to York, Murphy or the current crop of CMH holders he’s a nothing. His Silver Star was for nothing. Officers were routinely given Bronze and Silver Stars in Vietman just for visiting the front lines on a helicopter ride. He got it for breathing.

    Today you can get a Bronze Star for administrative duties.

    He never did anything heroic. If suffering is a standard for being labeled heroic(which in McCain’s case is according to the MSM and some vets), then just about every person in the country that has been maimed, crippled or suffered massive burns is a hero as well.

    If it wasn’t for daddy, he would have been a Annapolis washout. Graduating at the bottom of the class. Wow, that explains his stupidity.

    Politically he’s done nothing but support policies that have wrecked this country economically, supported wars that were blantantly illegal, tried to get us into a hot war with Russia(and still might). He supports open borders and amnesty. He also openly insulted and mocked Arizonans who wanted a secure border.

    So please stop with the faux outrage that I’m seeing from a bunch of RINOs and party hacks. It does not work on people who get their news from other sources than Fox or Limbaugh.

    Now if these “outraged” vets and FAUXNEWs talking heads were to show the same outrage over bad trade deals that have wrecked our economy and jobs base, would have supported secure borders before Trump mentioned it first, or demand the punishment of Wall Street executives that have a**raped our country for the last 20 years.

    I’d listen to them if they did. They don’t, they are geldings and self-servers who care nothing for the country or it’s people.
    .

    • 回复: @HLMunchkin
  155. rod1963 说:
    @Art

    Very true, all of it.

    He’s also owned by the Chambers of Commerce and the banking industry as well. Remember when he stopped his presidential campaign to promote TARP in the Senate? 8 trillion or so the bankers.

    真是个家伙

    Oh lets not forget his support of ISIS via arming them with weapons from Libya or his later attempt at trying to start a hot war with Russia over Syria or his constant attempts to get us involved militarily in the Ukraine.

    He is the very definition lunatic and traitor.

    His support for Israel is well known, he cares more about the Jews than his own country. I just wonder what sort of dirt they have on him to make him jump and scream at their command. It must be really good.

  156. @tbraton

    ” . . . Sitting in a POW camp, regardless of the conditions, while meriting our greatest sympathy, does not in itself justify the award of a prestigious medal or elevation to the status of a ‘war hero.’”

    In and of itself, no. A POW is exactly that, a prisoner. He’s not doing any fighting. Nothing “heroic” about that. And how’d you get taken prisoner in the first place? Did you–like General Jonathan Wainwright’s men in the Philippines, or the defenders of Wake Island in December 1941–fight on until the situation was hopeless? Or did you surrender out of cowardice? . . .

    Of course, men perform gallant acts while in captivity–e.g., the late Vice Admiral James B. Stockdale, USN–for which decorations are in order.

    • 回复: @tbraton
  157. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Anonymous

    We now live in a time when heroes are no longer defined by what you do but what is done to you, like getting captured, like Jessica Lynch or John McCain.

    McCain is the perfect hero for our victim culture. The most famous veteran of a war we lost is a guy who got shot down and captured. This is what young men have to look up to these days: a failed pilot that left his dying wife.

    I respect him for going to fight. He could have found a desk job with his family connections. But that doesn’t make him a national hero. And his record as a politician has been to serve as lap dog to those with money and power, instead of serving the citizens or the country.

    I was cheering out loud when I heard Trump call him out on it. I’m sure I’m not the only one.

    • 回复: @Bill Jones
  158. @Art

    Art, why does it seem like every post you make has to do with jews? This column is about mccain, not jews.

    Look, I hate anti-white multiculturalism, mass immigration, the military war machine, washington DC etc. That is why I post on this site.

    But jews are basically just whites, and in fact there is a good argument that jews are in some ways the very essence of western culture.

    Jews played a big part in the invention of modern science. Modern science is at the core of western civilization.

    No, I aint real keen on Israel.

    Yes, obviously, jews are disproportionately rich and powerful. But so are white people. And when it comes down to it, 95% of american jews look indistinguishable from white americans.

    And you will of course point out that jews are disproportionately members of the liberal establishment. But so are highly educated people. And jews are highly educated.

    So get off the jew kick.

    Now as to mccain…he is pure evil, and I totally buy into the theory that he is much more traitor than hero.

    He really represents the establishment. And that makes him evil.

    And I like the theory that most powerful politicians got that way because they are blackmail-able.

    • 回复: @conatus
    , @Art
  159. McCain certainly lied to investigators about planes he trashed (crashed) in training…

    McCain recounted the accident decades later in his autobiography. “The engine quit while I was practicing landings,” he wrote. But an investigation board at the Naval Aviation Safety Center found no evidence of engine failure.

    The 23-year-old junior lieutenant wasn’t paying attention and erred in using “a power setting too low to maintain level flight in a turn,” investigators concluded

    …or when filing what amounted to a false flight plan when expropriating government property for personal use (flying to the Army-Navy game to take it in with his big-shot daddy.) And the report contradicting his account of crashing a plane in that instance was subsequently amended:

    In his autobiography, McCain said he had flown on a Saturday to Philadelphia to watch the annual Army-Navy football game with his parents. The accident report does not mention Philadelphia but rather indicates that McCain departed from a now-closed Navy field in New York City on Sunday afternoon and was headed to Norfolk, Va.

    In a report dated Jan. 18, 1966, the Naval Aviation Safety Center said it could not determine the cause of the accident or corroborate McCain’s account of an explosion in the engine. A close examination of the engine found “no discrepancies which would have caused or contributed to engine failure or malfunction.”

    The report found that McCain, then assigned to squadron VT-7 in Meridian, Miss., had made several errors: He failed to switch the plane’s power system to battery backup, which “seriously jeopardized his survival chances.” His idea of landing on the drag strip was “viewed with concern and is indicative of questionable emergency procedure.”

    The report added, “It may be indeed fortunate that the pilot was not in a position to attempt such a landing.”

    McCain also ejected too late and too low, was not wearing proper flight equipment and positioned his body improperly before ejecting, the report said.

    The official record includes comments from pilots in his own squadron who defended McCain’s actions as “proper and timely.”

    About two weeks after issuing its report, the safety center revised its findings and said the accident resulted from the failure or malfunction of an “undetermined component of the engine.”

    http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/06/nation/na-aviator6

    If McCain’s alleged treason in Vietnam were to be demonstrated beyond dispute, it nonetheless pales when compared to the ‘1980 October Surprise’ engineered by George H.W. Bush and Robert Gates as detailed by former Israeli intelligence operative Ari Ben Menache:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/02/24/profits-of-war/

    Those criticizing Ron Unz for what is essentially a call for closer scrutiny of not only John McCain but a larger media cover-up of miscreants in position of high office, are behaving as little more than trolls for what does indeed amount to ‘American Pravda’

  160. Realist 说:
    @Art

    “Hey General – going to war does not give you a free pass the rest of your life.”

    It was an unnecessary war, our government lied us into and we lost.

  161. @rod1963

    Beautiful Come back to the the poster/troll.

    Today you can get a Bronze Star for administrative duties. How about all that fruit salad on Petraeus? His aide-de-camp developed a hernia carrying the rest of his stuff.

  162. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    Hero—-NO! Traitor——YES!

  163. tbraton 说:
    @Orville H. Larson

    “Of course, men perform gallant acts while in captivity–e.g., the late Vice Admiral James B. Stockdale, USN–for which decorations are in order.”

    No argument here, Orville Hudson. I believe I stated in an earlier post that McCain made no attempt to escape, unlike others who made valiant and brave attempts to do so and were awarded well-deserved medals for their actions. I seem to recall there were several instances where POWs held by the North Vietnamese made daring attempts to escape (some successful) and were deservedly honored for their brave exploits. So I concede that there are instances where a POW can justifiably be awarded a high medal, but it should require something above and beyond merely serving as a POW. And you correctly cite the special case of Adm. Stockdale, which I will address below.

    After great resistance, legislation was finally passed in 1985 authorizing a separate Prisoner of War medal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner_of_War_Medal I hadn’t realized how many Silver Stars were awarded to our POWs held by the North Vietnamese. As I noted earlier, I had a friend about 20 years ago who was a POW during the Korean War. I don’t recall him saying he was awarded any medals just because he was a POW. I believe the reason so many Silver Stars were awarded to POWs during the Vietnam war was because of the guilt surrounding that falsely started and totally unnecessary war. I came across this piece written in 2008 by someone who was a plebe at the Naval Academy when McCain was a senior and lived across the hall and who was a POW in North Vietnam for three more years than McCain (who was held for 5-1/2 years). In the course of his article, the author states as follows:

    “4) John was awarded a Silver Star and Purple Heart for heroism and wounds in combat. This heroism has been played up in the press and in his various political campaigns. But it should be known that there were approximately 600 military POW’s in Vietnam. Among all of us, decorations awarded have recently been totaled to the following: Medals of Honor — 8, Service Crosses — 42, Silver Stars — 590, Bronze Stars — 958 and Purple Hearts — 1,249. John certainly performed courageously and well. But it must be remembered that he was one hero among many — not uniquely so as his campaigns would have people believe.”
    http://www.alternet.org/story/95825/i_spent_years_as_a_pow_with_john_mccain,_and_his_finger_should_not_be_near_the_red_button posted august 2008

    So, using the figures above. there were 590 Silver Stars awarded to approximately 600 POWs in Vietnam. I see from his most recent piece that Ron Unz gives a figure of 591 POWs who were released by North Vietnam, which means that virtually every released POW got a Silver Star. (Although, to be fair, it is not clear from the piece cited above whether the released POWs got Silver Stars for other actions unrelated to their time as POWs.) To me that seems a mite excessive and totally inconsistent with the standards set forth to justify the award of a Silver Star (per Wikipedia):

    “The Silver Star is awarded for gallantry not justifying the award of one of the next higher valor awards: the Distinguished Service Cross, the Navy Cross, or the Air Force Cross.[4] The gallantry displayed must have taken place while in action against an enemy of the United States, while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force, or while serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.”

    I have previously given McCain credit for refusing early release by the Vietnamese, but he was just following standard procedure. Here is what the author said about that:

    “So I, like numerous others, refused the offer. This was obviously something none of us could accept. Besides, we were bound by our service regulations, Geneva Conventions and loyalties to refuse early release until all the POW’s were released, with the sick and wounded going first.”

    According to one press account, “McCain was awarded a Silver Star Medal for resisting “extreme mental and physical cruelties” inflicted upon him by his captors from late October to early December 1967, the early months of his captivity, according to the citation. The North Vietnamese, according to the Navy, ignored international agreements and tortured McCain “in an attempt to obtain military information and false confessions for propaganda purposes.” http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/2008-05-07-2662742753_x.htm

    That seems directly contrary to the lengthy first person account McCain gave to U.S. News back in 1973 in which he admitted that, after just a few days in captivity, he himself offered to provide information to the North Vietnamese in order to obtain medical care for his injuries.

    I had to refresh my memory re the late Adm. Stockdale. I vaguely remembered him as a Vietnam war hero who was selected by Ross Perot to be his running mate in the 1992 election. He was nearly 70 at the time (and he subsequently, like Reagan, slowly succumbed to Alzheimer’s and died in 2005), and he was ill served by Perot. As a result, he came across as a somewhat comical figure, which masked his true worth.

    Here is what his Medal of Honor citation says:

    “For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty while senior naval officer in the Prisoner of War camps of North Vietnam. Recognized by his captors as the leader in the Prisoners’ of War resistance to interrogation and in their refusal to participate in propaganda exploitation, Rear Adm. Stockdale was singled out for interrogation and attendant torture after he was detected in a covert communications attempt. Sensing the start of another purge, and aware that his earlier efforts at self-disfiguration to dissuade his captors from exploiting him for propaganda purposes had resulted in cruel and agonizing punishment, Rear Adm. Stockdale resolved to make himself a symbol of resistance regardless of personal sacrifice. He deliberately inflicted a near-mortal wound to his person in order to convince his captors of his willingness to give up his life rather than capitulate. He was subsequently discovered and revived by the North Vietnamese who, convinced of his indomitable spirit, abated in their employment of excessive harassment and torture toward all of the Prisoners of War. By his heroic action, at great peril to himself, he earned the everlasting gratitude of his fellow prisoners and of his country. Rear Adm. Stockdale’s valiant leadership and extraordinary courage in a hostile environment sustain and enhance the finest traditions of the U.S. Naval Service.”

    Sounds to me that Stockdale acted heroically and fully deserved his Medal of Honor. More importantly, to me at least, was his honesty in later recounting what actually happened at the Gulf of Tonkin, which was the basis for our starting that stupid war. Here is what Wikipedia says:

    “Two nights later, on 4 August 1964, Stockdale was overhead during the second reported attack in the Tonkin Gulf. Unlike the first event, which was an actual sea battle, no Vietnamese forces were, however, believed to have been involved in the second engagement. In the early 1990s, he recounted: “[I] had the best seat in the house to watch that event, and our destroyers were just shooting at phantom targets—there were no PT boats there…. There was nothing there but black water and American fire power.” Stockdale said his superiors ordered him to keep quiet about the details of that night.[citation needed]
    The next morning, on 5 August 1964, President Johnson ordered bombing raids on North Vietnamese military targets which he announced were retaliation for the alleged incident of 4 August. When Stockdale was awoken in the early morning and was told he was to lead these attacks he responded: “Retaliation for what?” Later, while a prisoner of war, he was concerned that he would be forced to reveal this secret about the Vietnam War.”

    Stockdale’s honesty made him ill-suited to be a politician.

    • 回复: @tbraton
  164. tbraton 说:
    @tbraton

    Sorry for mistakenly responding in my text to “Orville Hudson” when it should have been “Orville Larson.” My only excuse is that the message was started and largely completed in the middle of the night upon awakening for a few hours. Apologies to Orville Larson.

  165. conatus 说:
    @leftist conservative

    Jewish people do not think of themselves as White and they do not vote like Whites.
    I’d like to agree but voting patterns certainly do not.
    What’s the line” They earn like Episcopalians and vote like Puerto Ricans”

    Also even they themselves do not agree that they are White, witness Mike Wallace at .10 to .20 of this vid

  166. Art 说:
    @leftist conservative

    “So get off the jew kick.”

    Go to this web site for 30 days and then get back to me.

    https://alethonews.wordpress.com

  167. Bill Jones 说:
    @Anonymous

    “I respect him for going to fight.”

    为什么?
    It was an illegal war of aggression, the ultimate war crime.

  168. guest 说:
    @donut

    “As in the Holocaust , the insistence of the 6,000,000 number has led to a debate focused on the accuracy of the figures which can lead to a debate whether or not the event even happened at all”

    With the Holocaust the number is the event. Nobody believes the Nazis did nothing whatsoever to Jews and others (but mostly Jews are all we care about, for some reason) during WWII. People argue about whether or not the Worst Thing Ever happened, which is the deliberate plot to kill the Jews of Europe on a massive, industrial scale, resulting in millions of murders. Whatever else happened, they may call it “the Holocaust,” too, but that’s not what people think of when they hear the word. If the word was about forced migration, inhumane treatment, starvation, false imprisonment, enslavement, exposure to disease, theft of property, and legal discrimination alone it wouldn’t be a household word.

  169. guest 说:
    @Ron Unz

    “the total stagnation of the field in that era”

    The field remains stagnant, shameful hullabaloo over this week’s particle to end all particles notwithstanding.

  170. guest 说:
    @Sherman

    “If he did commit such awful acts in Vietnam why didn’t W use it against him in 2000 or Obama in 2008?”

    Ask Trump. They don’t want bad publicity.

    Bush, furthermore, didn’t want anyone talking about what he did during the war. That’s also why he didn’t go after “Genghis Khan” Kerry. Obama has things he’d rather people not talk about, too, though the MSM and establishment figures have run screaming away from talking about his past on their own. I wonder what he’d have to do to make them come up with a single scandal.

    Big time politics isn’t a gentleman’s club. It’s also not the cutthroat free for all people pretend it is. They can destroy anyone at any time, I imagine, but they save it for the apostates. After all, if everyone goes after everyone else for everything who’ll be left to run things? Outsiders (that is, heretics)? Those are the ones you burn.

    • 回复: @fnn
  171. fnn 说:
    @guest

    Robert Penn Warren in 所有国王的人 :

    http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/002320.html

    We clocked off five miles more, and I said, “But suppose there isn’t anything to find?”
    And the Boss said, “There is always something.”

    And I said, “Maybe not on the Judge.”

    And he said, “Man is conceived in sin and born in corruption and he passeth from the stink of the didie to the stench of the shroud. There is always something.”

    • 回复: @guest
    , @tbraton
  172. JohnC 说:

    It has to make you wonder if McCain, as per his orders from his Communist overlords, threw the election to their younger Communist candidate. Nothing McCain or his defenders can say would make me believe that he isn’t a traitor and a coward. He looks to destroy our borders and defend our enemies.

  173. guest 说:
    @fnn

    “You got to lead a duck, son.”

    – Judge Irwin

  174. tbraton 说:
    @fnn

    Great novel. Even greater is the biography written about 30 years ago entitled “Huey Long” by T. Harry Williams, a professor at LSU if I recall correctly. Huey, of course, was the model, with considerable embellishment, for Willie Stark, the principal character of “All the King’s Men,” but the real life account reveals what a brilliant man Huey Long was, even if his politics sucked. Great biography.

  175. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @unit472

    As a former A4 pilot I have to call BS to the criticism that McCain was unlikely to be injured exiting his plane on the Forrestal. The writer obviously knows nothing about the Skyhawk, other that that it is a relatively small jet. True, it is that, and it sits on a very long landing gear. Thus, entry and egress are normally by a portable ladder. Trying either without the ladder is fraught. I know, I have done it–with some reluctance
    .
    That aside, the burning flight deck of a carrier is not the place for a pilot untrained in fire fighting. Because of the experience of the Forrestal conflagration, all pilots were required to go through a fire fighting course, which included dealing with a live fire in a training scenario.

    As for his war time actions; there is one indisputable fact. McCain voluntarily transferred to another squadron aboard another carrier, to continue his combat deployment when Forrestal left the combat zone. He did not need to do that. In doing so, he became part of the one of the most intense periods of the aerial campaign; and in an Air Wing that suffered the greatest Navy losses of the Vietnam war. Other A4 pilots of my acquaintance, who later distinguished themselves in combat, did not make that move. Many outstanding Navy officers and Aviators were lost or captured during the summer of 1967. It is ludicrous to imply criticism of McCain on that score.

    I do not know the facts of McCain’s actions as a POW. I have thought that his behavior has been excessively lauded in the media, and by the McCain political organization, simply because there were so many prisoners who acted with great courage. I do not believe that McCain’s actions were more laudable than those of several others; but, neither do I have credible information to dispute the stories that redound to his credit.

    I am not an admirer of John McCain for a variety of reasons; but, innuendo, and mis-statement of fact, should not go unchallenged.

    • 回复: @John Boanerges Redman
  176. @Anonymous

    His transfer to the Oriskiny cannot be proven to be voluntary. The transfer was to keep the former crew members from blanket-partying him to death. How about your comment on the wet start/2 switch prank he pulled which started this (besides the Navy’s horrific decision to overload the planes and with WWII bombs)?

  177. 只是好奇整个与麦凯恩有关的“战争英雄”一词。 难道每个POW都不会放弃麦凯恩所做的那种信息,还是他的供认以及随后被绑架者给予的良好待遇以某种方式过度/不寻常?

    • 回复: @RJJCDA
  178. Priss Factor [又名“普里斯工厂”] 说:

    How Trump’s Attack on McCain Didn’t Go Far Enough

  179. @Hersh

    叛徒约翰·麦凯恩(John McCain)也背叛了美国退伍军人自由军:

    http://america-hijacked.com/2012/05/30/john-mccain-calls-american-patriot-a-jerk-for-questioning-him-about-uss-liberty-cover-up/

    http://tinyurl.com/mccainussliberty

    McCain confronted about USS Liberty cover-up:


    麦凯恩面对美国自由号掩饰和媒体同谋
    :

    https://tinyurl.com/mccainconfronted

    约翰·麦凯恩(John McCain)赞扬父亲对以色列对美国自由党的袭击的粉饰!
    :

    http://america-hijacked.com/2011/09/02/john-mccain-praises-fathers-whitewashing-of-israels-attack-on-the-uss-liberty/

  180. Benjamin 说:
    @unit472

    After the Forrestal fire the first and only uninjured man evacuated from the ship was, you guessed it, War Hero John McCain.

  181. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Carroll Price

    Obama undoubtedly ranks as the most obvious blackmail candidate of all time. Which, of course had a lot to do with why the Zionist chose him to become president.

    If the zionists chose Obama for the presidency, they’ve received a very poor return on their investment. Obama is probably the first US president who isn’t a cheerleader/apologist for Israel since it’s (re)birth as a country. Every spokesman for Israel and every supporter for Israel in this country has denounced Obama for the Iran nuke agreement.

    I thought jews did their homework before making an investment.

    • 回复: @Carroll Price
    , @coyote
  182. @Anonymous

    The Zionist mafia may not have gotten everything they wanted out of Obama, but they have gotten three or four new wars, plus a continuation of the Afghan War as well as a re-continuation of the Iraq War. I suspect Obama is pushing back against Israel about as much as he can dares without incurring the risk of being assassinated.

    • 回复: @Joe Franklin
  183. @Carroll Price

    Don’t forget the continued annual billions of US dollars of foreign aid gifted to Israel.

    That money has given the US a constant Israeli-Jewish bribing of US officials and endless wars for Israel.

    Obama is a reformed Judaism devotee.

  184. The phenomenon of “induced testimony” applies to much of “documented history” as well as to the proceedings of “trials” that contribute to the veracity of that history.

    The largest, and today most-influential body of this sort of thing is the Holocaust. The entire narrative was initially conceived and promoted in order to fix sufficient guilt upon the German people to justify the genocidal bombing, invasion (unconditional surrender) and occupation of Germany, with the millions of deaths entailed on both sides.

    The mythology, of course, has been picked up by Israel and to some extent by (indoctrinated) Jews everywhere as ersatz religion, and even identity.

    The McCain fiasco detailed in this article is the same thing, in microcosm.

  185. Gerry1211 说:
    @Anonymous

    Having survived Nazi occupation as a small child and knowing how active my father was in the underground, I was stunned one day to pass a ceremony in our park in which people were given ribbons for their activities in the war. So I told my father. He said “I know these people and they were no where to be found during the war when it counted” So much for ribbons. I always wondered why our doctor, when making house calls would so often stop by our house to see if my father was home (he was a journalist and often away) But when he was home he and the doc spent time together talking. Turns out my father, the doc and a priest were jailed by the SS for underground activities. Like my father, neither the doc nor the priest were given any recognition. My father certainly didn’t seek any. But when the doctor died in 1959 his colleague wrote a very moving tribute to him and mentioned his war time work and how he insisted it be kept private. It was only then that I realized why the doctor was so often at our home.
    What I am trying so say here is that the ones that really have a story to tell about McCain are the ones that were there. His fellow POWs. I have never read that any of them had a good word to say about McCain….”Singing like a canary”…..”at least 38 tapes blasting the U.S. and the war”
    John Mc Cain is an American traitor….More recent pictures have him in Ukraine together with the Nazi goons Svoboda. Other pictures have him with ISIL/ISIS/IS, (google them) all of which makes John McCain a war criminal. In Germany people like him were hanged.
    The man should have his passport revoked, never be allowed to leave this country; never have a microphone or camera in his face. He is a danger to the national security of this country if not an embarrassment.
    As far as the American military…every time I see a General on tv giving testimony I ‘d like to know how they managed to make it to General. They sound programmed and absolutely stupid.
    No wonder we’ve never won any wars.
    Always check who’s doing the talking, what’s their background, were they there?
    询问更多。

  186. Sandy 说:
    @anonymous

    Anonymous wrote, “So the question is who really runs things and for whose benefit? Are there ’roundtable groups’ hammering out what is going to be done? ”

    Yes, there are roundtable groups: The Bilderberg bunch, the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), and other well-documented groups whose influence far exceeds their ostensible authority. Read up on with whom Henry Kissinger has schmoozed: here you will find a who’s who of the top-level “useful idiots” who dance to the puppetmasters’ tune.

    The question still begging for an accurate answer is, “and for whose benefit?” I’ve read extensively on this and am not yet satisfied with the answers which have been advanced.

    The available evidence does clearly show that the puppet in the White House is merely a top-level “useful idiot” rather than an actual leader. Notice that the favored candidates always go lunch with the Bilderbergers before election time. Watch a Simpsons episode from Season 11, where Lisa becomes “the first STRAIGHT female President of the United States,” having succeeded President Trump. The episode in question dates back to the early 2000’s.

    I sincerely doubt that Americans’ votes have been accurately counted and reported for decades. I say this having often worked in polling places in every capacity. Where it all breaks down is when the boxes and polling booth tapes are taken to the central county offices to be fed into the computer… which is already pre-programmed regarding the outcome. Various efforts to accurately monitor this stage of the election process have been defeated by force, fraud and abuse from the local LEOs.

    We will not be able to regain our Republic until we retake control of the vote-collection and -counting process.

  187. Sandy 说:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Add to that Hillary Clinton’s treasonous act of approving and facilitating the sale of a significant percentage of US uranium assets to Russia. Her reward? Become the favored candidate for the presidency of the country she betrayed.

  188. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    Kiss the Boys Goodbye: How the United States Betrayed Its Own POWs in Vietnam

    It is hard to understand how so many in the US media could have ignored this painstakingly researched book by a former 60 Minutes producer and her famous husband.

    But….? ….Lady in Red

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  190. RJJCDA 说:
    @unit472

    I have heard that McCain was called “flame-out John” because he liked to light-up the planes behind him while on deck. Others have said that McCain CAUSED the Forrestal incident because of this. If true, this would explain his psychological problems. He could be internally rationalizing his actions to himself as he corroborated with Hanoi. Deep down guilt feelings, but consciously always in attack and defend mode.

  191. RJJCDA 说:

    By the way, does anyone remember the first thing he did when securing the nomination in 2008 at the convention. He immediately flew off to a London fundraiser hosted by the Rothschilds. Were they paying off a debt for the “Liberty” cover-up of his father?

  192. RJJCDA 说:
    @1stTimeCallerLongTimeListener

    Read Admiral James Stockdale’s book IN LOVE AND WAR to find what real heroism is about. He KNEW that the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was partly a false reading to drum up war actions (he was in air during both the 8/02 and 8/04 incidents) but suffered torture and long, long periods of solitary confinement without giving up this info, for which he later was awarded the Medal of Honor.

  193. 文章和评论中已经涵盖了大多数麦凯恩谎言和歪曲事实。

    以下是一些其他功能:

    1)他怀孕了一名海军护士,堕胎是在贝塞斯达(Bethesda)完成的

    2)俄罗斯派遣了一位著名的外科医生来麦凯恩在河内受伤。

    3)平时从水平飞行中的喷气机弹出可以让您有时间收紧所有
    绑扎并获得正确的配置。 滚滚的火焰在火焰中盘旋而下
    没那么多。 他的受伤是由弹射不良和地面撞击造成的。 事实
    他降落在湖中可能挽救了他的生命。 旁观者也殴打了他。

    4) I spoke with a North Vietnamese general at a Vietnam summit at Texas Tech University. I asked him if McCain was tortured. He replied, “We never touch him, he too important”.

    5)据称麦凯恩有一间可欣赏河内市区景色的房间,一张桌子和一个水族馆
    金鱼。

    6) 麦凯恩从囚禁归来的体重比他被捕那天还重。

    7)有几组战俘被提前释放。 还有一个“和平委员会”的合作者。 有两名杰出的USMC飞行员是和平委员会的成员。 在白宫的团圆饭上,一些战俘拒绝了如果邀请合作者参加的活动。

    8)约翰·克里在大会前的反战证词在河内希尔顿酒店的公共广播系统上反复播放。 直到战后,一些囚犯才意识到它是“克里参议员”,他们听到他把盖比吉斯汗(Gebghis Khan)误称为“詹尼格斯汗(Jengiss Khan)”。

    9)麦凯恩海军上将经常出海。 小麦凯恩是否真的是他的真正儿子是个问题。

    10)麦凯恩进行了许多广播宣传广播。 战争结束后,他问父亲:“您听不到他们的话吗?” 父亲说不,但实际上他发出命令说这些广播是绝对最高的优先事项,需要立即发送给他,并保持最高的安全许可(Above Top Secret)。 还可以相信,NSA阻塞了该信号。

    11)麦凯恩在河内有一个情妇,给他生了一个儿子。 有传闻说这个儿子来了
    美国,然后去了一所不错的大学。

    12)麦凯恩(McCain)是战俘/ MIA参议院委员会的联席主席(与约翰·克里(John Kerry)一起)。
    该委员会于 1992 年得出结论,“没有令人信服的证据表明美国战俘在战争结束时被抛在后面”。 内布拉斯加州的参议员凯瑞(Kerrey)也是该慈善团体的成员。

    13)麦凯恩的妻子在战俘期间对她的家庭同盟战俘/ MIA活动表现出极大的热情。 作为回报,麦凯恩抛弃了她,嫁给了一位大学啦啦队长和库尔斯啤酒大亨的继承人。

    14)麦凯恩确实做了一个湿路,引起了阿甘的大火。 他被迅速转移
    到Oriskany和另一个中队训练飞行员需要三年和四百万美元。 他们不应该用来灭火。 海军从这场大火中学到的是
    在任何给定时间,决不能派出超过您消防员总数1/3的消防员。 整个消防部门已开始行动,几架飞机爆炸,大部分人员死亡。
    损害控制者(消防员)。

    15)1992年,当北越将军和政客来到美国时,麦凯恩(McCain)的照片给了他们热情的拥抱。 他可能在窃窃私语,“让我们的秘密保持安静”。 麦凯恩为什么要拥抱“折磨”他的人?

    16)麦凯恩的祖父也是一位海军上将。

    17)福雷斯特航空母舰以第二次世界大战海军秘书的名字命名,后者正试图警告罗斯福总统日本将在数小时内袭击珍珠港。 Forrestal 被海军陆战队监禁,后来在神秘的情况下死亡,但我离题了。
    如此多的阴谋,很少的时间。

    18) 当克林顿听取新总统的简报时,他被告知事实上,许多战俘被留在越南。 他很震惊。 值得称赞的是,他的表上没有遗弃战俘。

    19) 有一位德克萨斯州议员正在竞选连任并正在州内旅行
    在支持者的沙发上睡觉。 在一个家中,他感谢房东,并询问是否可以以某种方式退还您的青睐。 主持人说:“是的,我的Ucle是在Nam中不为人知的战俘,
    你能调查一下吗?” 国会议员说:“我去了共和党新生国会静修会。 我们走进一个穿着网球服的房间,不允许带笔记,电话或录音机。 他们告诉我们,为了获得连任,我们需要政党的支持。 然后他们说有10个您永远不会支持或提及的问题。 第一个是留在越南的战俘/MIA。 对不起,我无能为力”。

    20)和麦凯恩一起飞的人说,他是一个烂飞行员,在飞行期间如果米格斯(Migs)表现出来,
    向上,麦凯恩总是向云层隐去,直到他的燃油水平迫使他返回航母为止。

    21)1996年,北越航空部长访问了休斯敦。 美国大陆航空让他在IAH上驾驶747巨型模拟器。 他们还把他带到了拉斯维加斯和迪斯尼乐园。 部长的简历:一位王牌飞行员击落了七架美国飞机。 大陆航空希望到达河内Bac My和西贡Thanh Son Nhut的着陆路线。

    22) There are many more McCain stories I could recount, but the fog of memory sets in. In my case it is age and I am entitled, (Not like Kerrey). I was a leader in the veteran POW/MIA movement for many years. I was a close associate of Ted Sampley, Dolores Alfond and Janet Akers, all of whom seemed to have died before their time. It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.

    我很高兴回复任何有兴趣的人。 我特别希望收到您的恩茨先生的信。
    如果您有兴趣,我可以提供有关麦凯恩的更多数据。

  194. coyote 说:
    @anon

    some folks out here want to see traitors hung for what they have done, and continue to do today: did you miss the commenter who noted that McInsane treats with ISIS, and other Islamic terrorists who have killed our troops? The truth will out, and hopefully will destroy the neo-cons and others in the deep state who push war for the sake of the bankers who finance both sides.

  195. coyote 说:
    @Anonymous

    As the Manchurian Candidate, Obama has admirably brought race relations to their lowest ebb since 1968. Dissension among every victim group never previously imagined has whack jobs everywhere foaming at the mouth like rabid dogs. The descendants of the white European colonists who created this nation are now the go-to scapegoat for everything from not wanting to flirt with fat chicks to blacks murdering each other. Tin-foil hat types like myself sometimes note that all the money and benefits of these operations seem to flow to the chosenites and their tools in our government. By the way, have you ever heard of the ‘samson option’?

  196. Fed Up 说:
    @Orville H. Larson

    结账单 新闻网 they have the audio of Mccain that was aired in 1969

  197. TheJester 说:

    罗恩

    One of McCain’s propaganda tapes has been found. Posted on August 4th, 2016.

    http://www.trunews.com/article/john-mccains-1969-tokyo-rose-propaganda-recording-released

    With respect to the sons of generals and admirals getting special treatment in the military, I served in the Air Force in the 1980s with a bumbling idiot whose dad was an Air Force general. The idiot was always close to being officially disciplined for poor judgement and careless behavior (including once from me when he served on one of my air crews). However, the idiot always made his promotion gates in spite of repeated career-ruining performance reports. One has to assume his father intervened on his behalf with the promotion boards.

  198. Ron Unz 说:

    A very intriguing comment from another thread:

    When McCain was in Hanoi he walked around with clean pressed uniforms and ate all his meals with the officer in charge of the camp. He made many tapes about how we were war criminals
    在营地里一遍又一遍地播放。
    从来没有见过他遭受过酷刑的迹象,总是刮得整洁,而且与他无关
    其他人每天都在被滥用。
    正是他阻止了政府寻找POW和MIA。 他很害怕
    他所作所为的真相将被发现。
    他是一个胆小鬼,不是英雄!

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/john-mccains-tokyo-rose-propaganda-broadcast-now-found-and-released/#comment-1523985

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  199. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    ……and what about the fire on the Forestall ?….300 dead thanks to JM

  200. GusHall 说:

    McCain was a communist collaborator in 1970? So he was a Democrat ahead of his time. He’s always been a RINO and a treasonous bastard, eager to open the gates for the barbarians so they can rape and pillage.

  201. Henry 说:
    @rod1963

    I beg to differ. The problem is indeed McCain. His iron grip on the state party assures that he is impossible to primary out (though his opponents bear some of the blame for repeatedly creating 3- or 4-way primaries, guaranteeing him victory). The inevitable final race is always between him and a whackjob liberal Democrat. Many of us voted for the whackjob this time despite the clamorous voices warning us of Armageddon if the Republicans didn’t retain the Senate. It’s so hard to please everybody, isn’t it? This time, these same voices excused their own voting for McCain by explaining he is unlikely to live out the entirety of his term — a class of wager I no longer make, having lost it twice before with respect to the terminally-cirrhotic Teddy Kennedy.

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  203. Z-man 说:

    I fantasize that McCain and poof boy side kick ‘Lindsey’ Graham are in a car wreck and don’t survive. Tsk, tsk.

  204. Agent76 说:

    Aug 5, 2016 Senator John McCain The Traitor – Audio Proof

  205. kek 说:

    Punk ass fake tough guy John McCain doing his “Tokyo Rose”.

  206. willie 说:

    Treason must be in the McCain genes. Recall his father’s cover up of the Israekli attack on the Liberty.

  207. ragnar 说:

    there were no “left over pow’s”
    这是一个神话
    一些男人不想回到美国,就像一些在北方结束的朝鲜战争士兵一样。他们比过去在美国更喜欢它
    许多越南人是不想再次面对种族主义的黑人
    这些海报有些是精神病,为什么我不喜欢发帖!

    • 回复: @Canute
    , @prusmc
  208. Canute 说:
    @ragnar

    ragnar .....如果您不能注意并阅读研究,请不要发布胡言乱语。

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  209. @Canute

    He does point to an interesting question. What proportionof the total of POWswere black as compared with the proportion who didn’t return? Can you point to the answer to that?

    • 回复: @Whoever
  210. Whoever 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    What proportion of the total of POWswere black as compared with the proportion who didn’t return?

    有趣的问题。
    I think the answer is that there were very few black POWs and MIAs. That’s because almost all were Naval or Air Force aviation officers. I don’t know what proportion of these may have been black half a century ago, but today the number of black Naval aviators is about 2.5 percent of the total. The Air Force figure is probably in the same range.
    I did find the story of Donald J. Rander, a black Army CWO captured during the fighting at Hue during the Tet Offensive. His story is very interesting.
    众议员查尔斯·兰格尔 asked about the few black POWs among returnees in a House Foreign Affairs Committee meeting. I think he didn’t understand the nature of the war, believing from his experience during the Korean War that large numbers of infantrymen must have been captured in Viet Nam. But this was not the case.
    I can’t imagine any reason why the North Vietnamese would have preferentially held back any black POWs they may have held.

  211. G Man 说:

    All this beating up on John McCain…didn’t the guy prove his piloting skills and courage by taking on deadly utility lines in close combat over Spain? And he won.

    I don’t hear of any other top gun hot shot pilot making similar claims.

  212. Anonymous [AKA "Annabelle C."] 说:

    Thank you so much for all the information you provide!
    I admire your courage and honesty!
    My respects Sir!

  213. prusmc 说:
    @ragnar

    Canute, almost all pows on Nam were Navy and AirForce flyers. Most hroud pounder were KIA. executed soon after capture or died quickly or slowly in captivity. The number of Blacks in flight status was miniscule. Chapppie James was one of the few exceptions. This calls into question your avoid USA racism thesis.

  214. Anonymous [AKA "Steve from Ohio"] 说:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Maybe they didn’t! How do we know that McCain was actually elected?

    Time to end the 17th amendment. Give the states the ability to appoint senators as they have in the constitutional past.

  215. anarchyst 说:

    There is an American premise that “we never leave any American military person behind”.
    I wish that were true, but it is a bald-faced LIE.
    Despite verifiable live sightings of American POWS still held in Southeast Asia, John “songbird” McCain and John “francois” Kerry pushed through legislation that made it ILLEGAL to pursue resolution of these live sightings.
    It is a loosely-guarded “secret” that only HALF of our Vietnam POWs were returned. Half of them were held by the North Vietnamese as “bargaining chips”, to be released when promised “reparations” were delivered. Reparations never took place as Congress refused to allot any funds. Thus our American servicemen were condemned to live out the rest of their lives in captivity.
    As late as the 1990’s and 2000’s live verifiable sightings of Americans were “swept under the rug”. You see, “normalization of relations” between the USA and Vietnam were “on the front burner”. Admission that there were Americans still held would have derailed McCain’s and Kerry’s “dream”.
    Both McCain and Kerry should be indicted, tried and convicted of TREASON with appropriate punishment carried out…

  216. Anonymous [AKA "BurgomasterMasterburgo"] 说:

    Great article, it touches the core of America’s misery, the press, the money behind the politis but, like most of these articles by men who have the vision to look through 90% of the veil that obscures the truth of America’s policy, it falls short of breaking through and name the real culprit.
    America’s media are run by Jews. That’s a simple fact that anybody can derive from the public records of the 7 major corporations that own all of America’s TV stations and newspapers.
    Wallstreet is run by Jews. The Democratic party is firmly in the hand of the Jews, most of the Republican party is also in the hand of them, called “neocons” here.
    Trump’s administration is mostly run by Jews. Not the positions of Secretary in most cases but their staff and deputies.
    This is our real tragedy. Our handlers have made sure that any mentioning of their devious presence is met with unbelief because “Hey you sound just like Hltler and everybody knows he was crazy. No proof necessary”

    Add 1 and 1, people, and see what the result is. And you will realize that it has a hooked nose!

  217. @Ron Unz

    Under the heading “Pardons Aren’t Only For the Guilty” Prof Brian V. Kalt writes on p A13 of the 27th July WSJ “Consider Ford’s pardon of Iva Toguri d’Aquino. She had been convicted of treason in 1949 and served six years in prison for broadcastng anti -American propaganda from Tokyo during World War ll as Tokyo Rose. But d’Aquino was no traitor: the case against her was based on perjury procured by federal officials…..”

    Amongst the questions this might provoke is “Do people only get stitched up by federal officials or might there be colourfully varied free enterprise versions out of malice or mischief or motives unfathomable?”

  218. In sabotaging the “skinny bill” to repeal Obamacare, John McCain has maintained his record of treachery, at home and abroad.

  219. @Carlton Meyer

    Thank for mentioning “The Nightingale” I am ex Naval Intel, and saw it kind of close. In the Navy a lot of stuff gets buried, and I am sure you have it right.

  220. John McCain is obviously a one-man Holocaust.

    Six million, or one? It’s much the same thing at the end of the day.

  221. Show of hands, don’t be shy – how many of you voted for McCain in 2008?

    • 回复: @David In TN
  222. Anonymous [AKA "getalmar"] 说:

    I have absolutely no comment on McCain one way or the other; however from 1972-74 I was stationed just outside of Washington D.C. and was a close reader of the Washington Post. Shortly after the mass release of P.OW.s which presumably included McCain, over several days I read several small articles in the back pages of the Post which reported that the military was planning to try a number of the enlisted men for collaborating with the enemy. The final article stated that no one would be courtmartialed after all because the targeted enlisted men threatened to reveal what the officers– who had been imprisoned separately — had done. Since I was a lowly army enlisted man at the time, I was disappointed to learn I would never know how the officers had behaved.

  223. anastasia 说:

    Of course, the author has to know that there is no way an assassination of this magnitude could have taken place with the players the authors mention without the aid, assistance and connivance of those in authority in government.

    In regard to the media, what I find comforting is that the accusations of “conspiracy theorist” and “kook” made by the media against people researching the JFK assassination are coming back to haunt them. The media is losing their credibility fast; their hyperbolic patently false statements border on the absurd. They have been exposed as liars and lunatics. They are truly finished as a reliable source of information in America.

  224. Larry 说:
    @Priss Factor

    The only thing wrong with this excellent Blog is the constant intrusion of these Anti-Jewish individuals. People have been blaming the Jews for everything from typhoid to excess ear wax since the beginning of time. If the Jews controlled 10% of the things they’re accused of they would be near the status of god.

    • 回复: @Wally
  225. Anonymous[128]• 免责声明 说:

    When you look up chutzpah in the dictionary, you’ll find his photo.

  226. “I have sometimes joked with my friends that perhaps the best career move for an ambitious young politician would be to secretly commit some monstrous crime and then make sure that the hard evidence of his guilt ended up in the hands of certain powerful people, thereby assuring his rapid political rise.”

    Thats good advice by Unz and folks who grow taller by taking viagra should seriously consider it.
    On a different note, are Paul Craig Roberts and Unz related? I found the word 漫不经心 在这篇文章中。

  227. anastasia 说:

    Mr. Unz – the best writer and thinker.

    And I truly believe him when he says that the way to high office may be to have a blackmailable background.

  228. anastasia 说:

    He’s dead today. I believe in hell, but I will not engage in presumption on that subject. However, if monies were needed in the hereafter, I may have made a wager.

  229. Antiwar7 说:

    If McCain really wasn’t tortured in captivity, as Ron’s article persuasively argues, then this McCain quote is extremely telling of his true nature:
    https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/McCain-Criticized-for-Slur-He-says-he-ll-keep-3304741.php

    Arizona Sen. John McCain refused to apologize yesterday for his use of a racial slur to condemn the North Vietnamese prison guards who tortured and held him captive during the war.

    “I hate the gooks,” McCain said yesterday in response to a question from reporters aboard his campaign bus. “I will hate them as long as I live.”

  230. anastasia 说:

    Mr. Unz: Listen to the whole tape. They got the Tokoyo Rose audio from the National Archives.

    • 回复: @Wally
  231. gwynedd1 说:
    @Realist

    Hard to believe that for the brief moment that it took to bring down John McCain that North Vietnam was one of out most cherished allies.

  232. ohmy 说:

    Mr. Unz, Thank you for this article. You helped solidify my long held opinion that John McCain was a rat, who had a very weird life. Of course there is his public life, but it just wasn’t enough to overcome all the rumors of his involvement in high crimes, which ranged treason, murder, and theft, down to perjury, and being a mean person. So I just want to say I appreciate your contribution to setting the record straight on senator John McCain.
    Now that the dude is dead maybe someone can get to work on discovering who helped McCain to cover up his sordid past and present, and why. I’d start with the usual suspects.

  233. johnl0 说: • 您的网站

    any “gooks” in hell, well, they will know what to do do with this person.

  234. John McCain was one of the most despicable characters of American politics, probably only second to Henry Kissinger and George H.W. Bush. How can the guy be an American hero when, after taken several times an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, joined the Council on Foreign Relations, an organization whose key members have systematically mentioned their goal to cancel the Constitution, open the borders and destroy the U.S. sovereignty?

  235. Donald 说:

    You surely meant that Americans tortured Vietnamese. Terrorized them. In Laos alone, there are so many unexploded bombs that still kill or injure people that it will take 100 years to clear. I had a girlfriend from Pakse. History is not about Americans. It is about the people Americans kill.

  236. Anonymous [AKA "JoeStrange"] 说:

    McCain’s treason was hidden from the American public, by the CIA, for almost half a century.
    You can go to the Tru News web site to *听到* John McCain’s propaganda broadcast on North Vietnamese radio, intended to ‘demoralize’ US troops in South Vietnam. Tokyo Rose was *executed* as a traitor for the same activity, but McCain became a ‘war hero’…
    McCain was separated from the other POW’s for two years in order to ‘turn’ him and use him to produce propaganda broadcasts for the North Vietnamese. The *只要* source for his alleged torture, etc. comes from himself, not from other POW’s.
    If you refuse to listen to McCain’s own words of treason on Tru News as recorded by the CIA, itself, then you are just a political shill being worked like a dead fish by the Lame\$tream Media. I *有* listened to him call his country and fellow soldiers *罪犯**赞* his Communist captors.
    There have been a multitude of American servicemen sentenced to ‘death’ for crimes less egregious than John McCain…war ‘hero’…
    https://www.trunews.com/listen/trunews-08-04-16-john-mccains-1969-tokyo-rose-propaganda-recording-released

  237. Agent76 说:

    06年2013月XNUMX日,参议员约翰·麦凯恩(John McCain),叙利亚基地组织死亡小队外交关系“顾问”

    Senator John McCain is a criminal who provided support to terrorist groups.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/senator-john-mccain-foreign-relations-adviser-to-al-qaeda-death-squads-in-syria/5348383

  238. Wally 说:
    @Larry

    谁经营好莱坞和媒体?:

    [更多]

    寄生虫以色列的真实代价
    被迫向美国纳税人提供给以色列的钱远远超过了官方数字。
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    战斗以色列的战争
    美国军方如何被犹太化
    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/fighting-israels-wars/

    游荡到以色列已经停止
    对以色列的忠诚承诺是非美国人的
    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/pandering-to-israel-has-got-to-stop/#comments

    美国的犹太人正在推动美国的战争
    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/americas-jews-are-driving-americas-wars/#comment-2012898

    犹太人及其左派先令坚决支持以色列的移民法,该法仅强制要求犹太人……而他们则要求向美国和欧洲进行大规模的第三世界移民。

  239. Wally 说:
    @anastasia

    哇!

    Have there been excuses offered or rebuttals to this recording?

    谢谢。

  240. Vonu 说:

    All of the Tokyo Roses didn’t do as much harm as McCain or the American government’s internment of its own citizens of Japanese ancestry.

  241. TootMeUp 说:
    @p s c

    “Have the names of any US servicemen POW who collaborated with the enemy (North Vietnamese) ever been identified by the Pentagon and released publicly?”

    You never heard of Bobby Garwood?

  242. @Carlton Meyer

    Indeed McCain (mcStain) was a TURNCOAT that was lauded by the Communist in Our government that saw to it He gained (and remained in) Political Office to do harm to our Nation for far too long.

  243. Long ago 9far away) I had dinner with other Optimist where Our speaker was in prison with what he referred to as NO NAME. The Man I ate with spent 6 Years hanging in a basket to keep him from telegraphing (tapping on the prison walls) to fellow prisoners while “special prisoner” McStain made filmed appearances telling of America’s WAR CRIMES—what an unspeakable excuse for a man.

  244. Biff 说:

    Will the media try to insert McCain’s offspring into the political body? If so, would Johnny’s past haunt them?

  245. This side of the McCain story skated right over my head somehow, and if true, the comparative treatment of Tokyo Rose v/s McCain reminds me of the Brawley / Sharpton rape hoax, where an impressionable, 15-year-old girl was punished to the max in a life-altering way, whereas the grown man parlayed the nefarious incident into riches, MSM stardom and a presidental bid.

    I do see some gray, though, whether you’re talking about McCain or Tokyo Rose. How much of the mere speech was cajoled? It was just words, propaganda words, sure, but words not bullets. But the Bob Kerrey thing is just shocking, especially when you think about how The New School is such a leftist Puritan citadel, sort of like UC Santa Cruz.

    If it was not one of those incidents, where Vietnamese civilians used their children to trick troops, like the times their children sold US soldiers trinkets that turned out to be exploding hand grenades, the lack of leftist outrage over a civilian mass murder to cover up a misstep makes a mockery of opposing Vietnam on fevered moral grounds.

  246. Anonymous [AKA "jambo99"] 说:

    Back when stories were coming out about McCain’s real past, one of them said that McCain wasgiven a Viet mistress who was the sister of a high-ranking North Viet. McCain had one or two children with her and a son was in the U. of Colorado during the early 90’s.

  247. This epic essay definitely played a role in American Renaissance eventually naming John McCain “White Renegade of the Year” in 2017:

    https://www.amren.com/features/2018/01/white-renegade-of-the-year-2017-immigration/

  248. While I’ve never studied his war years as a prisoner, over which there are so many claims and counterclaims, almost nothing could surprise me about John McCain.

    I wrote the followed summary some years ago concerning the nature of his character. All of it is documented.

    This was a man whose basic character frankly just smelled bad, but a boyish smile always seemed to seem him through, as well, of course, later, the general vague notion that he was a hero. Being both son and grandson of admirals helped, and he exploited that fact to the maximum.

    But of course the ugliness and pointless destruction of Vietnam cried out for the manufacture of a hero at the time, and, well, what do you know, they came up with one.

    https://chuckmanwords.wordpress.com/2009/06/07/john-mccain-a-matter-of-character/

    JOHN CHUCKMAN ESSAY: JOHN MCCAIN: A MATTER OF CHARACTER

    P.S. On J Edgar Hoover’s reported black ancestry, here is a remarkably revealing early photograph:

    https://chuckmangrotesques.blogspot.com/2008/09/blog-post_9171.html

    Hoover was not just a deeply-closeted gay, he was a rather flamboyant crossdresser at home and at parties, according to biographer, Anthony Summers.

  249. @Anonymous

    The chief of his guards also said that McCain could have been released earlier for medical reasons but refused an earlier release than his fellow captives. That was a reason why they admired him.

    He had an injury (I thought it was to his shoulder) that the Vietnamese couldn’t fix. He was injured when Vietnamese villagers rescued him from drowning by dragging him out of his plane sinking in a duck pond.

    I remember clearly that the media reported after his release that he denied being tortured. It certainly looks like a later, useful political lie might be turned into an exaggerated liability. Many Yanks at that time sympathised with the Vietnamese and McCain may have been no exception for personal (his life was saved) or political reasons.

    After the US war against Vietnam was over, a lot of US memories faded. That was inevitable as the US defeat cost the US nothing; only the US war had a cost.

    The Vietnamese will never forget, nor should they, because they gained independence. [电子邮件保护]

  250. H 布鲁斯·富兰克林将 1991 年的谎言归咎于装饰黑海盗的 POW/MIA 欺诈
    在大骗局政府大楼上空飘扬的旗帜。 Sydney Schanberg 的虚假 POW/MIA 账户现在被清楚地证明是欺诈性的。 这位演讲者完全被 CIA/PEDIA 的谎言所吸引。
    作者半完整的致谢
    约翰麦凯恩是越南的叛徒并且没有听麦凯恩的实际录音带
    在河内的美国战争博物馆听会告诉你所有你需要知道的。
    这位演讲者未能认识到骗局叔叔的所有所谓媒体都已被
    中央情报局/媒体自 1947 年以来已经脱节。
    Ron Unz 需要在冒着可信度风险发表相同内容之前了解这些部分真相
    在过去的 1/2 世纪,我们这些人实际上一直在关注。

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  251. Ron Unz 说:
    @Terrence Bennett

    H 布鲁斯·富兰克林将 1991 年的谎言归咎于装饰黑海盗的 POW/MIA 欺诈

    当然,我读了富兰克林的空洞废话,并详细讨论了它:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-relying-upon-maoist-professors-of-cultural-studies/

    他只是一个专门研究电影的毛派“文化历史学家”,而不是任何类型的调查记者。 很明显,您从未费心阅读此处有关 McCain/POW 问题的其他文章:

    https://www.unz.com/article/was-rambo-right/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-legacy-of-sydney-schanberg/

    https://www.unz.com/article/silent-treatment/

    https://www.unz.com/article/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/

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