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坚固的水坝可能会阻挡大量的水,但是一旦破裂,洪水将把道路上的所有东西都冲走。 我几乎一生都没有怀疑过一个名叫李·哈维·奥斯瓦尔德的孤独枪手杀死了约翰·F·肯尼迪总统,也没有怀疑过几年后另一个孤独的枪手夺走了他的弟弟罗伯特的性命。 一次 我来接受 那些只是公开维护它们的政治精英们普遍不相信这些童话,我开始考虑这段重要历史的其他方面,最明显的是谁是阴谋的幕后人物,他们的动机是什么。

在这些问题上,半个世纪的过去以及几乎所有当代证人的自然死亡或死亡,都极大地降低了达成可靠结论的希望。 充其量,我们可以评估可能性和可能性,而不是评估确定性附近的高可能性。 考虑到完全没有任何确凿的证据,我们对暗杀起源的探索必须依靠谨慎的推测。

在如此遥远的时间上,鸟瞰可能是一个合理的出发点,使我们可以集中精力研究明显合谋的表面阴谋的几个要素。 这些中最基本的是似乎与暗杀有关的个人背景,以及David Talbot和James W. Douglass的最新著作有效总结了数十年来勤奋的暗杀研究人员积累的证据。 大多数明显的阴谋家似乎与有组织犯罪,中央情报局或各种反卡斯特罗激进主义者组织有密切联系,在这些类别之间有相当大的重叠。 奥斯瓦尔德本人当然也符合同样的形象,尽管他很可能像乔布·鲁比那样自称是“麻痹”者,而杰克·鲁比迅速使他保持沉默,并且与犯罪黑社会之间的联系漫长而广泛。

 

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一系列不寻常的事件提供了中情局介入的最有力证据。 中央情报局的职业军官维克多·马尔凯蒂(Victor Marchetti)升任副主任特别助理,这一职位颇为重要,但他于1969年因政策分歧而辞职。 尽管他为他的书与政府审查员进行了长时间的战斗, 中央情报局和情报崇拜,他与许多前代理机构的同事保持着密切联系。

1970年代期间,参议院教堂委员会和众议院暗杀委员会的曝光使中央情报局遭受了很多负面的公众审查,并且越来越多的人怀疑中央情报​​局可能与肯尼迪被暗杀有关。 1978年,美国中央情报局反情报长官詹姆斯·安格尔顿(James Angleton)和一位同事向马凯蒂提供了爆炸性泄漏,称该机构可能正计划承认与暗杀有关,该暗杀涉及三名射手,但应归咎于霍华德·亨特(E. Howard Hunt) ,曾在水门事件期间臭名昭著的前中央情报局官员,并与其他几名同样受到污的同事一起,将他作为流氓特工替罪了他。 马尔凯蒂(Marchetti)将结果发表在 聚光灯,由DC的右翼民粹组织Liberty Lobby运营的每周全国小报。 尽管几乎被主流媒体完全避开了, 聚光灯 当时,它的影响力达到了顶峰,拥有近400,000万订户,读者人数相当于 “新共和”, 民族国家评论.

马尔凯蒂的文章暗示,亨特在暗杀期间实际上曾在达拉斯,导致一起诽谤诉讼,其潜在损害赔偿金足以使该出版物破产。 肯尼迪国际机场(KFK)的长期暗杀研究员Mark Lane意识到了这种情况,并自愿向Liberty Lobby提供服务,希望利用包括发现程序和传票权在内的法律程序,以获取有关暗杀的更多证据,并在各种法院裁决之后和上诉,此案最终于1985年开始审理。

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莱恩(Lane)在1991年的畅销书中提到, 合理的拒绝,他的策略通常被证明是相当成功的,不仅使他赢得了陪审团对亨特的判决,而且还引来了前中情局特工的誓言,证明她个人参与了这次阴谋以及其他几名参与者的名字,尽管她声称她的角色严格来说是外围的。 尽管亨特数十年来一直完全否认与暗杀有任何关系,但在他生命接近尾声时,他进行了一系列录像采访,他承认自己确实参与了肯尼迪暗杀案,并列举了其他几起阴谋家,同时也认为他自己的角色只是外围的。 亨特(Hunt)的爆炸性死床供认在2007年的一次重大事件中得到重述 滚石 文章 并且在塔尔伯特的书中,尤其是他的第二本中也进行了详尽的分析,但在其他方面却被媒体忽略了。

 

这些明显的阴谋者来自同一松散的集团联盟,以前曾参与过美国政府支持的刺杀卡斯特罗或推翻共产党政府的各种尝试,并且他们对肯尼迪总统怀有敌意,因为他们认为在猪湾惨败期间及之后,他的背叛。 因此,自然而然地倾向于将仇恨作为暗杀的中心因素,塔尔伯特(Talbot),道格拉斯(Douglass)和许多其他作家普遍采用这种观点。 他们得出的结论是,肯尼迪死于强硬路线的反共主义者的手中,对他对古巴,俄罗斯和越南的软弱感到愤怒,这在冷战最激烈的时候在右翼政治圈子中无疑是普遍存在的。

虽然这种暗杀框架肯定是可能的,但还远未确定。 可以轻易地想到,达拉斯事件的大多数下层参与者都是出于这种考虑,但是组织情节并将事情付诸行动的中央人物有不同的动机。 只要所有阴谋家都同意消除肯尼迪,就无需绝对统一动机。 的确,长期参与有组织犯罪或秘密情报行动的男人确实具有操作保密的经验,其中许多人可能并没有期望知道最上层男人的身份,更不用说确切的动机了。他们正在进行的出色操作。

我们还必须在特定个人的参与与组织作为组织的参与之间做出明显区分。 例如,中央情报局局长约翰·麦康(John McCone)是肯尼迪的忠实拥护者,他在被暗杀前的几年被任命为打扫房屋,他肯定无辜他的赞助人之死。 另一方面,大量可观的证据表明,许多中央情报局情报人员和特工参与了这次行动,这自然引起了人们的怀疑,即他们最高级别的上级中也有一些人参与其中,甚至可能是阴谋的主要组织者。

这些合理的推测可能已因个人偏见而被放大。 近年来,许多调查肯尼迪国际遇刺案的著名作家都是坚定的自由主义者,他们的意识形态可能使他们的判断蒙上阴影。 他们经常设法在他们最不喜欢的右翼人物中找到肯尼迪的消除组织者,即使情况远非完全合理。

但是,考虑一下在国家安全等级最高层附近强硬的反共主义者的动机,他们可能组织了肯尼迪的消灭,因为他坚决放弃了在猪湾和古巴导弹危机事件中的全面军事解决方案。 他们是否真的绝对确信约翰逊总统会取得如此巨大的进步,以至于冒着生命危险和公众声望,组织一次谋杀美国总统的阴谋?

距新的总统大选还不到一年,肯尼迪对民权的转变立场似乎可能使他几乎失去了所有南部各州,这些州在1960年为他提供了选举胜利的余地。一系列公开声明或令人尴尬的泄密也许有助于通过传统的政治手段将他免职,可能用冷战强硬派代替他,例如巴里·戈德沃特或其他一些共和党人。 肯尼迪自由派研究人员经常牵涉到的军国主义者或商业大亨,真的会如此绝望,以至于不等那么多几个月来看看情况如何吗?

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基于极为间接的证据,塔尔伯特(Talbot)在2015年出版了这本书 魔鬼的棋盘,有些续集 兄弟,这表明前长期担任中央情报局局长的艾伦·杜勒斯(Allan Dulles)可能是策划者,他的动机既是他极端的冷战战士观点,也是他对1961年被解雇的个人怒气的混合体。

虽然他的参与当然是可能的,但显而易见的问题出现了。 杜勒斯(Dulles)是一位七十岁的退休人员,有着悠久而杰出的公共服务事业,他的兄弟曾担任艾森豪威尔国务卿。 他刚出版 情报的技巧,在建立媒体上受到了非常优惠的待遇,他开始了一次大型图书巡回演出。 他会不会真的冒着一切,包括他的家庭在历史书上对声誉组织美国正式当选总统的谋杀,一个前所未有的行为在性质上不是试图推翻代表认为美国的国家利益危地马拉领导者完全不同的? 当然,在即将举行的总统大选期间,利用他广泛的媒体和情报联系来泄露有关肯尼迪臭名昭著的性骚扰的令人尴尬的信息,将是试图取得同等结果的一种更为安全的方法。 对于埃德加·胡佛(J. Edgar Hoover)以及许多其他因类似原因而讨厌肯尼迪的华盛顿有影响力的人物,情况也是如此。

另一方面,很容易想象这样的人对新出现的情节有所了解,甚至可能在有限程度上促进了它的发展或参与了其中。 一旦成功,并且替换了他们的个人敌人,他们肯定会非常愿意协助掩盖新政权并保护新政权的声誉,而杜勒斯可能是新政权中最有影响力的成员沃伦委员会。 但是,这些活动与担任总统暗杀的中央组织者不同。

 

就像强硬的国家安全机构一样,许多有组织犯罪领导人对肯尼迪政府的行动感到愤怒。 在1950年代后期,罗伯特·肯尼迪(Robert Kennedy)作为参议院劳工组织委员会的首席法律顾问,强烈地以暴民为目标进行起诉。 但是在1960年大选期间,家庭先祖约瑟夫·肯尼迪(Joseph Kennedy)利用自己长期的黑手党关系争取对他大儿子的总统竞选的支持,并且众所周知,在芝加哥和其他地方,腐败的暴民主导的政治机器窃取了选票,这使肯尼迪白宫以及罗伯特·肯尼迪(Robert Kennedy)担任总检察长。 肯尼迪的热情支持者弗兰克·辛纳屈(Frank Sinatra)也通过利用持怀疑态度的暴民领导人的影响力,帮助促进了这一安排。

但是,总检察长罗伯特·肯尼迪(Robert Kennedy)可能没有意识到任何这样的讨价还价,而没有用政治上的支持来偿还这种至关重要的选举支持,而是很快发起了一场全面打击有组织犯罪的战争,比以前在联邦一级开展的任何一场战争都严重得多,而且犯罪老板认为这是新政府背叛的背叛。 约瑟夫·肯尼迪(Joseph Kennedy)在1961年末因无法胜任的中风而被推倒后,他们也没有希望他利用自己的影响力来执行他上一年达成的交易的希望。 联邦调查局的窃听记录显示,黑手党领导人萨姆·吉安卡纳(Sam Giancana)决定杀害辛纳屈(Sinatra),因为他在这次失败的讨价还价中扮演的角色,只是在考虑到他个人对20世纪最著名的意大利裔美国人的声音有多喜欢时才牺牲了这位歌手的生活。

这些有组织的犯罪领导人和他们的一些紧密联系者,例如Teamster老板吉米·霍法(Jimmy Hoffa)无疑对肯尼迪人产生了仇恨,这自然使一些作者指出黑手党是暗杀的可能组织者,但我发现这很像不太可能。 几十年来,美国犯罪集团老板与政治人物之间有着复杂而多样的关系,政治人物有时可能是他们的盟友,有时是他们的迫害者,这些年来肯定有很多背叛。 但是,我不知道在哪个对国家阶段的任何甚至适度显赫的政治人物是有史以来暗杀对象单一的情况下,这似乎不太可能是唯一的例外是一个受欢迎的总统,就是他们将有可能被视为完全脱离了他们的联盟。 另一方面,如果在肯尼迪本身的华盛顿特区政治领域中名列前茅的人开始谋划消除他的阴谋,那么他们可能会很容易争取到各种黑手党领导人的热情合作。

此外,有证据表明许多中央情报局特工都参与了这次阴谋,这表明他们是由情报或政治领域中具有较高地位的人物招募和组织的,而不是被他们单独带入的可能性较小。有组织犯罪并行领域的领导人。 虽然犯罪老板可能本身就组织了暗杀行动,但他们肯定没有办法策划沃伦委员会随后的掩盖行动,美国政治领导人也没有任何意愿保护黑手党领袖免遭调查和适当的惩罚。如此令人发指的行为。

 

如果发现丈夫或妻子被谋杀,手头没有明显的嫌疑人或动机,警方的正常反应是仔细调查尚存的配偶,而且这种怀疑在很多情况下都证明是正确的。 同样,如果您在报纸上读到,在一个默默无闻的第三世界国家,两位怀有敌意的敌对领导人都拥有最高的政治权力,直到他们突然被不知名的阴谋者暗杀而被打倒之前,他们两个都具有令人难以置信的名字。在一个明显的方向。 1960年代初期,大多数美国人并没有从这样的角度看待自己国家的政治,但也许他们是错误的。 作为对肯尼迪阴谋分析巨大而又隐秘的世界的一个新来的人,我立即被怀疑的副总统林登·约翰逊副总统林登·约翰逊(Lyndon B. Johnson)怀疑一小而惊讶,这位总统是现任领导人的直接继任者,也是最明显的受益者。

Talbot的两本书和Douglass的一本书共约1500页,仅用几段就怀疑约翰逊的参与。 塔尔伯特(Talbot)的第一本书报道说,在暗杀事件发生后,副总统立即对他的助手表示了疯狂的担忧,即一场军事政变或一场世界大战爆发,并暗示这几句随便的话表明了他明显的无辜,尽管一个更愤世嫉俗的观察者可能会想知道这些话是否正是出于这个原因。 塔尔伯特(Talbot)的第二本书实际上引用了一个明显的低级阴谋家,声称约翰逊亲自签署了该阴谋,并承认亨特(Hunt)相信同样的事情,但是在添加一句话以承认约翰逊确实可以曾经是被动的支持者,甚至是帮凶。 道格拉斯(Douglass)和彼得·戴尔·斯科特(Peter Dale Scott),1993年有影响力的书的作者 深度政治与肯尼迪国际(JFK)的死,似乎似乎从来没有娱乐过这种可能性。

意识形态方面的考虑可能是保持这种沉默的重要原因。 尽管自由主义者由于对不受欢迎的越南战争的升级而在1960年代后期开始复兴LBJ,但在过去的几十年中,这些情绪逐渐消退,而人们对他通过具有里程碑意义的民权立法和创立大社会计划的热情回忆却有所增加。他在那个意识形态阵营中的地位。 此外,这样的立法长期以来一直在国会中受阻,只是由于肯尼迪(JFK)难之后1964年的民主国会滑坡而成为法律,自由主义者可能很难承认,他们最美好的梦想只能通过政治杀戮来实现。

肯尼迪和约翰逊可能一直是敌对的个人对手,但两人之间在意识形态上似乎没有多少分歧,肯尼迪政府中的大多数领导人仍继续在他的继任者任职,这无疑是使任何人尴尬的另一个原因热情的自由主义者开始怀疑前者是由涉及后者的阴谋谋杀的。 塔尔伯特(Talbot),道格拉斯(Douglass)和其他许多暗杀活动的提倡左倾者,更倾向于将指责指向更为善良的反派分子,例如强硬路线,反共产主义的冷战战士和右翼分子,特别是中情局高级官员,如前导演艾伦·杜勒斯(Allan Dulles)。

有助于解释Talbot,Douglas和其他人将Johnson视为明显嫌疑人的极端不愿意的另一个因素可能是图书出版业的现实。 到2000年代,肯尼迪(KFK)暗杀阴谋早已成为主流,并在主流圈子中遭到鄙视。 塔尔伯特(Talbot)的良好声誉,他的150次原始采访以及手稿的质量打破了这一障碍,并吸引了 自由新闻 作为他非常受人尊敬的出版商,后来又受到了一位领先的学术学者的强烈好评。 纽约时报周日书评 还有一个小时的电视转播 C跨度记事本。 但是,如果他花了些时间来表达怀疑我们的第35任总统被我们的第36任谋杀的嫌疑,那么“残酷阴谋论”这一额外内容的分量肯定会确保他的书沉没得无影无踪。

 

但是,如果我们摒弃了这些扭曲的意识形态盲目者和美国出版业的实际考虑, 表面上 约翰逊介入的案例似乎很有说服力。

考虑一个非常简单的观点。 如果总统被一群不知名的阴谋家击倒,那么他的继任者通常会受到最强烈的激励,以追捕他们,以免他成为下一个受害者。 然而,约翰逊什么也没做,任命了沃伦委员会,该委员会掩盖了整个问题,将责任归咎于一个经常死掉的飘忽不定的“独行侠”。 对于纯真的LBJ,这似乎是非常奇怪的行为。 这个结论并不要求约翰逊是策划者,也不是活跃的参与者,但是,人们强烈怀疑他至少对情节有一定的了解,并且与一些校长有着良好的个人关系。

相反的分析也支持类似的结论。 如果密谋获得成功,约翰逊就任总统,那么密谋者肯定一定有一定的信心,相信他们会受到保护,而不是被新总统追捕为叛国者并受到惩罚。 除非组织者相信约翰逊会做他所做的一切,否则即使是完全成功的暗杀都将带来巨大的风险,而确保这一点的唯一方法是至少以某种含糊的方式使他对计划大声疾呼,并消极地对待他。默许。

基于这些考虑,似乎很难相信,任何肯尼迪暗杀阴谋都是完全没有约翰逊的预谋而发生的,或者在随后的掩盖中他不是核心人物。

 

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但是约翰逊的职业生涯和1963年末的政治状况的具体细节极大地加强了这些完全通用的论点。 自由派肯尼迪作家对约翰逊的“看不见邪恶”方法的一个非常有用的修正是罗杰·斯通(Roger Stone)的著作。 杀死肯尼迪的人:反对LBJ案,于2013年出版。斯通是一位长期的共和党政治特工,在理查德·尼克松(Richard Nixon)的领导下开始工作,提出了一个有力的案例,证明约翰逊是那种很容易伸出援手进行政治谋杀的个人,而且他有很强的理由这样做。

除其他事项外,斯通收集了有关约翰逊数十年来在得克萨斯州极度腐败和犯罪行为的大量有说服力的信息,包括相当合理的说法,其中可能包括几起谋杀案。 在1961年发生的一件奇怪的事件中,奇怪地预示了沃伦委员会“独行枪手”的发现,一名联邦政府检查员正在调查涉及德克萨斯州立密令的盟友的一次重大德克萨斯州腐败计划,发现该人死亡,用步枪在胸部和腹部开了五枪。死亡被地方当局正式裁定为“自杀”,而该结论在他的书页上以笔直的面被报道。 “华盛顿邮报”.

当然,约翰逊职业生涯的一个显着方面是,他生来就很穷,一生都担任着低薪的政府工作,但宣誓就职。 作为美国现代史上最富有的总统,他的个人财富以今天的美元计算超过 100 亿美元,他的公司捐助者的财务收益已通过他妻子的生意洗掉。 这种奇怪的异常现象如今很少被人记住,以至于十年前我向一位著名的政治记者提到它时,他表示完全不相信。

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斯通还有效地勾勒出约翰逊在1963年末所面临的非常困难的政治局势。他最初进入1960年总统大选时是该国最强大的民主党人之一,也是他的党派提名的明显领军人物,相比之下,年轻的肯尼迪(Kennedy),他的政治地位大大超过了他,但也有些鄙视。 他的失败,包括双方的许多卑鄙的交易,是巨大的个人打击。 他以某种方式设法使自己陷入困境的方法尚不完全清楚,但Stone和Seymour Hersh都在 卡米洛特的阴暗面 强烈建议,个人勒索比地价平衡更重要。 无论如何,如果得克萨斯州不肯落入民主党专栏,肯尼迪在1960年取得的纸面胜利将更加困难,而约翰逊强大的政治机器在那里的选举欺诈似乎几乎可以肯定是一个重要因素。

在这种情况下,约翰逊自然希望在新政府中发挥重要作用,甚至对宏伟的政治资产提出了宏大的要求,但相反,他发现自己立即被退缩,完全不屑一顾,很快就成为无权的孤立人物。或影响。 随着时间的流逝,肯尼迪家族已计划摆脱他,而在暗杀事件发生的前几天,他们已经在讨论将谁代入他的改选票上。 约翰逊在得克萨斯州和华盛顿特区极度腐败的悠久历史在他的主要政治随从鲍比·贝克(Bobby Baker)倒台之后,在肯尼迪的大力鼓励下得以曝光, “生活”杂志 正准备对他的肮脏的和经常的犯罪史进行大量的揭露,为他的起诉和漫长的监禁奠定了基础。 到1963年XNUMX月中旬,约翰逊似乎已是一个绝望的政治人物,但是在一周之后,他成为美国总统,所有这些令人不安的丑闻突然被遗忘了。 斯通甚至声称,被约翰逊(JFK)暗杀事件所占据的杂志空间是为约翰逊(Johnson)所保留的。

除了有效地记录约翰逊的卑鄙的个人经历和他在1963年末在肯尼迪家族手中面临的迫在眉睫的破坏外,斯通还增加了许多令人着迷的个人证词,这些证词可能是可靠的,也可能是不可靠的。 据他说,当他的导师尼克松在达拉斯派出所观看杰克·鲁比(Jack Ruby)枪杀奥斯瓦尔德时的情景时,尼克松立刻变成了白如幽灵,并解释说他本人以枪手鲁宾斯坦(Rubenstein)的名字认识枪手。 在1947年为内务委员会工作时,尼克松曾受到一位密友和杰出的暴民律师的建议,聘请Ruby为调查员,并被告知“他是林登·约翰逊的男孩之一”。 斯通还声称,尼克松曾经强调说,尽管他长期寻求总统职位,但与约翰逊不同,“我不愿意为此而杀人。” 他还报告说,越南大使亨利·卡伯特·洛奇和哥伦比亚特区其他许多知名政治人物都完全相信约翰逊直接参与了暗杀行动。

斯通过去半个多世纪以来一直是一名残酷的政治特工,这一职位为他提供了参与过去重大事件的个人的独特个人接触渠道,但这一职位在该行业也享有不到坦率的声誉,并且个人必须仔细权衡这些相互矛盾的因素。 就个人而言,我倾向于赞扬他提供的大多数目击者故事。 但是,即使仍然完全持怀疑态度的读者也应该从本书提供的大量有关LBJ历史的肮脏细节的二级参考文献中找到有用的信息。

 

最后,一次看似无关的历史事件最初引起了我自己对约翰逊参与的怀疑。

就在1967年的“六日战争”爆发之前,约翰逊已派遣了 自由号,这是我们最先进的情报收集船,将留在国际水域的近海并密切监视军事局势。 有公开的说法称,他为以色列发动了先发制人的进攻开了绿灯,但由于担心冒与叙利亚和埃及的苏联顾客进行核对抗的危险,已严格限制了军事行动的范围, 自由 留意事态发展,也许还“向以色列展示谁是老板”。

不管这种重建是否正确,以色列人尽管挥舞着巨大的美国国旗,仍对这艘几乎没有防卫能力的船只发起了全面进攻,在袭击持续了几个小时的同时,部署了攻击机和鱼雷艇以击沉该船。用机器操纵救生艇,以确保没有生还者。 攻击的第一阶段以主要通信天线为目标,其摧毁加上以色列的严重干扰,阻止了与该地区其他美国海军的任何通信。

尽管存在这些非常困难的条件,但机组人员英勇地在攻击过程中设法更换了天线,并通过尝试许多不同的频率逃避了干扰,并与美国第六舰队取得联系,并向他们通报了紧急情况。 然而,尽管两次派出了喷气式飞机来营救 自由 并在每次被召回时驱逐攻击者,显然是受到美国政府最高当局的直接命令。 以色列人得知局势的消息已传到其他美军之后,他们很快就停止了进攻,并对其造成了严重破坏 自由 最终进入港口,有200多名受伤和受伤的水手和NSA信号操作员,这是自第二次世界大战以来美国海军军人损失最大的一次。

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尽管向幸存者颁发了许多勋章,但事件的消息被完全保密的消息完全压制了,而且在空前的步骤中,即使是国会荣誉勋章也仅在私人仪式上颁发。 如果幸存者与新闻界或其他任何人讨论发生了什么事,他们也将受到严厉的威胁,要求立即进行军事戒备。 尽管有压倒性的证据表明袭击是故意的,但现任参议员的父亲约翰·麦凯恩上将主持的海军调查法庭将这一事件粉刷成悲剧性事故,并且媒体全面封锁了事实。 。 真正的故事直到几年后才开始出现,当时小詹姆斯·恩恩斯(James M. Ennes,Jr.) 自由 幸存者,面临严重的法律后果,并已发表 袭击自由 在1979 .

发生这种情况时,美国国家安全局截获了攻击飞机和特拉维夫之间的以色列通讯,从希伯来语翻译而来,充分证实了这次袭击是完全蓄意的,而且由于许多伤亡人员是国家安全局的雇员,因此大大压制了这些事实。激怒了他们的同事。 我的老朋友比尔·奥多姆(Bill Odom)是罗纳德·里根(Ronald Reagan)的国家安全局(NSA)的三星级将军,后来巧妙地规避了政治主宰者的限制,他将那些罪魁祸首的拦截器纳入了所有情报官所需要的Sigint培训计划的标准课程中。

在2007年,一系列不寻常的情况终于打破了主流媒体长达XNUMX年的停电状态。 房地产投资人Sam Zell是一位致力于以色列的犹太亿万富翁,他精心策划了 Tribune公司的杠杆收购,是 洛杉矶时报“芝加哥论坛报”,仅用自己的一小部分投资,大部分资金来自他所收购公司的养老金。 泽尔(Zell)因其精明的金融投资而被誉为“严重的舞者”,他公开吹嘘这项交易给了他几乎公司的全部上行潜力,而他承担的风险却相对较小。 这种方法被证明是明智的,因为复杂的交易很快就破产了,尽管Zell几乎毫发无损,但编辑和记者却损失了数十年的退休金,而大规模的裁员很快摧毁了该国最大的两个新闻编辑室。最有声望的报纸。 也许巧合的是,就在2007年底这场商业动荡袭来之际, 论坛5,500个字的故事自由 攻击,这是第一次,也是唯一一次如此全面地描述真实事实的报道,已经出现在主流媒体上。

众所周知,约翰逊是个高高在上的个人自我的人,当我读到这篇文章时,他对犹太国家的惊人屈从让我震惊。 竞选捐款和有利的媒体报道的影响似乎完全不足以解释他对这一事件的反应,这一事件使许多美国军人丧生。 我开始怀疑以色列是否会扮演一个非常强大的政治王牌,从而向LBJ显示“谁是真正的老板”,而当我在一两年后发现肯尼迪国际联盟暗杀阴谋的现实时,我怀疑我知道那是什么王牌可能已经。 多年来,我对已故的亚历山大·科本(Alexander Cockburn)变得非常友好,下次我们共进午餐时,我概述了自己的想法。 尽管他总是随意地将肯尼迪的阴谋论视为完全胡说八道,但他发现我的假设很有趣。

不管这样的猜测, 自由 这一事件当然表明约翰逊总统与以色列政府之间的异常密切的关系,以及主流媒体愿意花数十年的时间来掩盖那些性质最重大的事件,如果它们踩在脚趾上的话。

 

在我们开始探索肯尼迪国际机场暗杀事件中最具爆炸性但报告不足的理论时,应牢记这些重要的考虑因素。 大约XNUMX年前,已故的迈克尔·柯林斯·派珀(Michael Collins Piper)发表 终审判决 提供了大量的间接证据表明,以色列及其摩萨德秘密情报部门以及他们的美国合作者可能在阴谋中发挥了核心作用。

在1963年暗杀事件发生后的几十年中,几乎没有人怀疑以色列,因此,在1960年代,1970年代和1980年代出现的成千上万的暗杀阴谋书籍中,都没有提到摩萨德的任何作用,尽管几乎所有其他可能的肇事者(从梵蒂冈到光明会)都受到了审查。 肯尼迪(Kennedy)在80年大选中获得了1960%以上的犹太人选票,美国犹太人在白宫中的表现非常突出,从纽约市到好莱坞再到常春藤联盟,犹太媒体人物,名人和知识分子都对他产生了极大的敬意。 。 而且,具有犹太背景的人,例如马克·莱恩和爱德华·爱泼斯坦,一直是暗杀阴谋的主要早期支持者,其有争议的理论受到有影响力的犹太文化名人如莫特·萨尔和诺曼·梅勒的拥护。 鉴于肯尼迪政府被普遍认为是亲以色列的人,所以摩萨德的参与似乎没有动机,而针对这种犹太国家的如此巨大的,奇特的,毫无根据的指控几乎不可能在压倒性的亲人中获得很大的吸引力。 -以色列出版业。

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然而,在1990年代初期,备受推崇的记者和研究人员开始揭露围绕以色列核武器库发展的情况。 西摩·赫什(Seymour Hersh)1991年的书 参孙的选择:以色列的核武库和美国的外交政策 肯尼迪政府描述了肯尼迪政府为迫使以色列对其在迪莫纳的非军事核反应堆进行国际检查,从而阻止其用于生产核武器而进行的极端努力。 危险联络:美以秘密关系的内幕 由安德鲁(Andrew)和莱斯利(Leslie Cockburn)共同创作,并于同年出现。

尽管当时完全不为大众所知,但1960年代初,美国和以色列政府之间在核武器开发方面的政治冲突已成为肯尼迪政府的首要外交政策优先事项,肯尼迪政府已将核不扩散问题作为其中央国际举措之一。 。 值得注意的是,肯尼迪被任命为中央情报局局长的约翰·麦康恩以前曾在艾森豪威尔领导下的原子能委员会任职,是泄露以色列正在建造核反应堆以生产p的事实的个人。

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肯尼迪政府秘密施加于以色列的压力和经济援助威胁最终变得如此严峻,以至于导致以色列创始总理戴维·本·古里安于1963年1984月辞职。同年XNUMX月由约翰逊取代。 派珀(Piper)指出,斯蒂芬·格林(Stephen Green)XNUMX年的书 站在一边:美国与武装以色列的秘密关系 之前曾有文件记载,在肯尼迪遇刺后,美国的中东政策完全扭转了局面,但这一重要发现当时鲜有引起人们的注意。

肯尼迪和约翰逊政府之间在外交和国内政策上都存在极端连续性,对肯尼迪暗杀阴谋的合理的制度基础持怀疑态度的人经常指出,这使人们对这种可能的动机产生了严重的怀疑。 尽管这种分析在很大程度上看来是正确的,但美国对以色列及其核武器计划的举动却是这种模式的一个非常明显的例外。

以色列官员还需要关注的另一个主要领域是肯尼迪政府努力严格限制亲以色列的政治游说活动。 在1960年总统大选期间,肯尼迪在纽约市会见了由金融家亚伯拉罕·芬伯格(Abraham Feinberg)领导的一群富有的以色列拥护者,他们提供了巨大的财政支持,以换取对中东政策的控制性影响。 肯尼迪(Kennedy)设法以模糊的保证将他们拒之门外,但他认为此事是如此令人不安,以至于第二天早晨他找了他最亲密的朋友之一的记者查尔斯·巴特利特(Charles Bartlett),并对美国的外交政策可能受到美国游击队的控制而感到愤怒。一个外国大国,承诺如果他出任总统,将纠正这种情况。 的确,一旦他将哥哥罗伯特(Robert)任命为总检察长,后者就发起了一项重大的法律努力,迫使亲以色列的团体将自己注册为外国代理人,这将大大削弱他们的权力和影响力。 但是在肯尼迪去世后,这个项目很快就被放弃了,作为解决方案的一部分,主要的亲以色列游说者只是同意将自己改组为AIPAC。

 

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终审判决 在其1994年最初的外观之后进行了多次重印,到2004年发行的第六版已经增长到650页以上,包括许多长长的附录和1100多个脚注,其中绝大多数引用了完全主流的资料。 文本的正文仅在组织上和修饰上有用,反映了所有发行者的全面抵制,无论是主流出版商还是其他出版商,但我发现这些内容本身引人注目且通常令人信服。 尽管所有媒体都进行了最极端的停电,但这些年来,该书共售出了40,000多册,成为地下畅销书,无疑吸引了肯尼迪国际暗杀研究界的所有人的注意,尽管显然几乎没有他们愿意提及它的存在。 我怀疑其他作家意识到,即使仅仅嘲笑或驳斥这本书的存在,也可能对他们的媒体和出版事业致命。 派珀(Piper)本人于2015年去世,享年54岁,患有健康问题和经常与严峻贫困相关的酗酒,其他记者可能不愿冒险承受同样惨淡的命运。

作为这种奇怪情况的一个例子,塔尔伯特(Talbot)2007年的书目包含近140个条目,有些条目比较晦涩,但没有空间。 终审判决,他的综合索引也没有包含“犹太人”或“以色列”的任何条目。 确实,在某一时刻,他非常微妙地描述了罗伯特·肯尼迪(Robert Kennedy)完全是犹太高级职员的特征,他说:“他们中间没有天主教徒。” 他的2015年续集同样谨慎,尽管该索引确实包含许多与犹太人有关的条目,但所有这些参考文献都是关于第二次世界大战和纳粹的,包括他对他的主要代表艾伦·杜勒斯(Allen Dulles)所谓的纳粹纽带的讨论。 宠物peeve。 斯通的书虽然无畏地谴责肯尼迪·肯尼迪遇刺案的总统林登·约翰逊,但也奇怪地从长篇索引中排除了“犹太人”和“以色列”, 终审判决 参考书目中的内容,道格拉斯的书也遵循同样的模式。

此外,肯尼迪(JFK)暗杀研究人员似乎激起了派珀假说的极端担忧,这也许可以解释一个奇怪的异常现象。 尽管马克·兰(Mark Lane)本人是犹太血统和左翼根源,但在亨特诽谤案中赢得自由大厅(Liberty Lobby)后,他以合法身份在该组织工作了很多年,并且显然对派珀(Piper)十分友好,派珀(Piper)是其中之一著名作家。 据派珀说,莱恩告诉他 终审判决 他为暗杀中的主要Mossad角色提供了“有力的理由”,他认为该理论与他对CIA的关注完全互补。 我怀疑对这些关联的担忧可能解释了为什么莱恩几乎完全被道格拉斯(Douglass)和2007年塔尔伯特(Talbot)书所淘汰,并且仅在他的工作对塔尔伯特自己的分析绝对必要时才在第二本塔尔伯特书中进行讨论。 相比之下, “纽约时报” 员工撰稿人不太可能精通于肯尼迪(JFK)暗杀研究社区的鲜为人知的方面,并且由于不了解这种隐藏的争议,他们给莱恩(Lane) 漫长而发光的ob告 他的职业生涯完全值得。

 

在权衡给定犯罪的可能犯罪嫌疑人时,仔细考虑他们过去的行为方式通常是一种有用的方法。 如上所述,我认为没有一个历史例子可以证明有组织犯罪对任何在国家舞台上表现不佳的美国政治人物发起了严重的暗杀企图。 尽管到处都是怀疑,中央情报局也是如此。

相比之下,建立犹太国家之前的以色列摩萨德和犹太复国主义团体似乎有着很长的暗杀记录,包括通常被认为是暴力的高级政治人物的暗杀记录。 1944年,英国中东大臣莫因勋爵被暗杀,联合国和平谈判代表福尔克·贝纳多特伯爵(Count Folke Bernadotte)被送去帮助解决第一次阿以战争,1948年1947月遭受了同样的命运。甚至连美国总统都没有。完全没有这种风险,Piper指出,哈里·杜鲁门(Harry Truman)的女儿玛格丽特(Margaret)的回忆录显示,犹太复国主义者激进分子曾试图用一封带有毒药的信件暗杀她的父亲,1960年,他们相信他在heel脚以支持以色列,尽管失败的尝试从未公开。 负责所有这些事件的犹太复国主义派别由伊扎克·沙米尔(Yitzhak Shamir)领导,后者后来在1986年代成为Mossad的领导人和其暗杀计划的负责人,最后在XNUMX年成为以色列总理。

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如果可以相信1990年代摩萨德叛逃者维克多·奥斯特洛夫斯基的所有畅销书的主张,以色列甚至考虑了1992年乔治·H·布什总统被暗杀的原因,因为他威胁要在西岸定居政策冲突中切断对以色列的金融援助,我获悉,布什政府当时非常重视这些报告。 尽管我还没有读过,但是这本最近广受赞誉的书 首先兴起和杀死:以色列针对性暗杀的秘密历史 记者罗恩·伯格曼(Ronen Bergman)的话暗示,世界上没有任何其他国家可以如此定期地将暗杀作为官方国家政策的标准工具。

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还有其他一些值得注意的因素倾向于支持派珀假说。 一旦我们接受了肯尼迪(JFK)暗杀阴谋的存在,几乎可以肯定已经参与其中的那个人就是杰克·鲁比(Jack Ruby),他的有组织犯罪关系几乎完全与那个企业的庞大但鲜为人知的犹太派联系在一起。由以色列的极端支持者迈耶·兰斯基(Meyer Lansky)撰写。 Ruby自己与Lansky中尉Mickey Cohen有着特别密切的联系,Mickey Cohen统治了洛杉矶的黑社会,并在1948年战争之前亲自参与了向以色列开枪的行动。 确实, 根据达拉斯拉比·希勒尔·西尔弗曼(Dallas rabbi Hillel Silverman)的说法,露比(Ruby)私下解释说他杀害了奥斯瓦尔德(Oswald),他说:“我是为犹太人民做的。”

奥利弗·斯通(Oliver Stone)地标的迷人之处 《刺杀肯尼迪》 电影也应该被提及。 支持该项目的富有的好莱坞制片人阿隆·米尔坎(Arnon Milchan)不仅是以色列公民,而且据报道还 在庞大的间谍项目中发挥了核心作用 将美国的技术和材料转移到以色列的核武器项目上,这正是肯尼迪政府为阻止这一努力所做的确切承诺。 米尔尚有时甚至被描述为 “以色列詹姆斯·邦德。” 尽管这部电影整整持续了三个小时, 《刺杀肯尼迪》 谨慎地避免提供任何后来被派珀视为以色列方面的初步线索的细节,而是似乎将美国的狂热本土反共运动和军工联合体的冷战领导人视为有罪的政党。

在短短几段中总结超过300,000字的Piper的历史和分析显然是不可能的,但是以上讨论提供了对大量支持Piper假说的间接证据的合理品味。

 

在许多方面,肯尼迪大学的暗杀研究已成为其自己的学术学科,而我的资历十分有限。 我可能已经阅读了十二本有关该主题的书,并且还尝试用局外人的干净面孔和新鲜的眼光来解决这些问题,但是任何一位认真的专家都一定会在该领域中消化数十甚至上百卷的内容。 而整体分析 终审判决 令我印象深刻的是,这些名称和参考文献中有相当一部分是陌生的,我根本没有评估其可信度的背景,也没有介绍所提供材料的描述是否准确。

在正常情况下,我将转向其他作者提出的评论或批评,然后将它们与Piper的主张进行比较,然后决定哪种论点似乎更强。 但是尽管 终审判决 这篇文章发表于XNUMX世纪前,关于派珀假说的几乎绝对的沉默,尤其是来自更有影响力和更可靠的研究人员的沉默,使这一切成为不可能。

然而,派珀无法确保任何正规出版商的能力以及使他的理论不复存在的广泛努力,产生了具有讽刺意味的后果。 自从几年前该书绝版以来,我有相对容易的时间来确保将其包含在我有争议的HTML图书集中的权利,现在我这样做了,从而使Internet上的每个人都可以方便地阅读全文并自己决定,同时轻松检查大量参考文献或搜索特定的单词或短语。

  • 终审判决
    肯尼迪(JFK)暗杀阴谋中的缺失环节
    迈克尔·柯林斯·派珀•2005年•310,000个单词

该版本实际上包含了几篇短得多的作品,这些作品最初是单独出版的。 其中一个由扩展的问答组成,描述了该想法的起源并回答了围绕该想法的众多问题,对于某些读者而言,这可能是一个更好的起点。

  • 缺席判决
    关于本世纪犯罪的问答,思考
    迈克尔·柯林斯·派珀•2005年•48,000个单词

在YouTube上也可以轻松获得大量扩展的Piper访谈或演示文稿,几年前当我观看其中的两三个时,我以为他有效地总结了他的许多主要论点,但我不记得他们是哪一个。

 

肯尼迪遇刺事件无疑是二十世纪最戏剧性和报道最多的事件之一,但是绝大多数证据表明,我们的总统死于阴谋而不是一个古怪的“孤单枪手”,几乎被我们的主流媒体压制了。在随后的几十年中,无休止的嘲笑和op亵行为堆积在许多固执的讲真话者身上。 的确,“阴谋论”一词很快成为针对所有对传统主义叙事提出质疑的人的标准污蔑,并且有充分的证据表明,这种贬义的用法是 故意提升 政府机构担心,很多美国公民对沃伦委员会提出的令人难以置信的掩盖故事表示怀疑。 但是,尽管做出了所有这些努力,但这一时期可能标志着我们国家媒体的公众信任开始急剧下降的拐点。 一旦一个人得出结论说,媒体对像肯尼迪·肯尼迪(JFK)暗杀这样具有纪念意义的谎言撒谎,他自然就会开始怀疑其他谎言是否还会存在。

尽管我现在认为暗杀阴谋势不可挡,但我认为数十年来的逝去并没有为就主要组织者的身份或其动机达成坚定结论的任何真正希望。 那些不同意这种负面评估的人可以自由地继续筛选大量复杂的历史证据,并与其他具有相似兴趣的人辩论其结论。

但是,在主要犯罪嫌疑人中,我认为到目前为止,最有可能的参与者是林登·约翰逊(Lyndon Johnson),这是基于对手段,动机和机会的合理评估,以及他显然在促进后续行动中必须发挥的巨大作用。沃伦委员会掩盖。 然而,尽管这样一个明显的嫌疑人肯定一定会立即对任何观察者可见,但约翰逊似乎只收到了书中经常针对的其他关注的一小部分,而这些嫌疑人似乎不太合理。 因此,主流媒体在避免对阴谋的任何认识上的明显不诚实之处似乎与替代媒体中的第二层不诚实相吻合,后者尽了最大努力来避免识别最有可能的肇事者。

媒体不诚实的第三层是最极端的。 XNUMX年前, 终审判决 提供了大量的间接证据表明,以色列Mossad在组织罢免我们的第35任总统和他的弟弟中起着重要甚至是主导的作用,这种情况似乎仅次于约翰逊的参与。 然而,派珀的数十万个分析词似乎已经消失了,几乎没有什么主要的阴谋研究者甚至愿意承认他们对一本令人震惊的书的认识,该书售出了40,000册,几乎完全是通过地下口碑传播的。

因此,尽管坚定的游击队可以继续就“谁杀死了肯尼迪国际机场”展开无休止的辩论,但实际上毫无结果,我认为,我们可以从二十世纪这一举足轻重的事件的非凡历史中得出的一个坚定结论是,我们所有人都生活了数十年在...的综合现实中 “我们的美国Pravda。”

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  1. Anonymous [又名“ jake89”] 说:

    你真是个混蛋unz

    • 哈哈: Seamus Padraig
  2. 复制编辑:杜勒斯写道 手艺 情报,不要与……混淆礼拜 情报 正如马尔凯蒂的标题。

    一如既往,感谢您的精彩阅读。

  3. 这篇文章是一个很好的概述,解释了这个问题。 有许多强大的团体想要杀死肯尼迪,而且可能有几个阴谋正在进行中。 请允许我向您的阅读清单推荐 Prouty 上校的“The Secret Team”。

    你的上一篇帖子导致阅读的帖子太多,但有人指出了李奥斯瓦尔德生活的一段精彩视频,展示了清楚表明他是中央情报局特工的事实。 请注意,在他公开犯下叛国罪从俄罗斯返回后,他从未被捕,并为他的俄罗斯妻子获得了配偶签证。 这个不可否认的事实本身就证明他是中央情报局的工厂。 奥斯瓦尔德希望成为一名正式的中央情报局官员和联邦雇员,但在他去世之前一直是一名低薪特工。 奥斯瓦尔德在新奥尔良对特工被认为是一次性的表示担忧。

    无论如何,我强烈推荐这个很棒的视频:

  4. utu 说:

    如果说 1990 年代的所有畅销书都归功于摩萨德叛逃者维克多·奥斯特洛夫斯基,那么以色列甚至考虑在 1992 年暗杀乔治·HW·布什总统,因为他威胁要在约旦河西岸定居点政策的冲突期间切断对以色列的财政援助,我被告知布什政府当时认真对待这些报道。

    我不知道奥斯特洛夫斯基的说法,但我非常清楚乔治·H·W·布什与伊扎克·沙米尔的冲突,这很可能使他失去了第二个任期。 显然,MSM 非常淡化了这场冲突。 iirc 帕特里克·布坎南写了一篇关于它的文章。 布什决定对以色列说不,并提出条件,为从俄罗斯到以色列的移民提供更多资金。 在沙漠风暴之后,他的支持率非常高(90%)。 所以时机很好。 但在国会反对他和 AIPAC 将以色列的支持者送往华盛顿特区后,布什在 1991 年 1912 月的某个时候屈服了。布坎南认为,如果布什把这个问题带给“美国人民”,他本可以赢得这场冲突,但布什决定让美国人留在华盛顿。黑暗,这是以色列问题的常态。 布什只是在一些新闻发布会上抱怨独自一人在白宫,但大多数美国人不明白他在做什么。 然而,大厅并没有原谅布什,也不相信他在办公室获得第二个任期。 一定是决定他必须走了。 萨菲尔和弗里德曼在纽约时报的每周专栏中继续进行反布什运动,并发表了关于经济疲软的负面文章,大多是夸大其词和虚假的文章。 '这是经济,愚蠢的'是伪造的模因。 克林顿从阿肯色州跳伞,罗斯佩罗被鼓励参加比赛,但当他暂停竞选并再次被鼓励重新参加比赛时,他感到沮丧。 他在 2 年的选举中扮演了与泰迪罗斯福完全相同的角色,阻止现任塔夫脱获得第二个任期。 这让威尔逊成为总统,他在第二年带来了美联储和联邦税收,并在几年后进入了第一次世界大战。 如果布什连任,暗杀是否被视为B计划? 大厅里的人会谈论杀死美国总统吗? 是的,他们这样做——甚至是公开的:

    亚特兰大犹太报纸呼吁暗杀奥巴马。 (22 年 2012 月 XNUMX 日)
    https://www.jpost.com/International/Atlanta-Jewish-newspaper-calls-for-Obama-assassination

    奥巴马的第二任期是否值得信任? 内塔亚胡的以色列人对他并不满意,而奥巴马一开始对以色列(开罗大学)的看法非常苛刻。 如果没有他的第二个任期,就不会与伊朗签订条约,联合国反以色列决议将被否决。

    看起来乔治·HW·布什一定是因为没有连任而辞职了。 他在辩论中通过查看手表传达了什么信息? 消息是: 别担心,我只是走过场。 不需要杀我。

    问题是,新保守主义者是如何决定信任GW Bush的? 理查德·珀尔去了德克萨斯州奥斯汀并宣布布什对世界事务的无知是一个优势:他们可以装满一个空容器。 他的意思是不是也像派他去伊拉克为父亲报仇那样容易控制他?

    GW Bush 在 1997 年接受班达尔王子的指导和辅导:

    http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=afall97bandargwbush

    他降落在奥斯汀,当布什州长在班达尔下机之前登上飞机时,他感到很惊讶。 布什直言不讳:他正在考虑竞选总统,虽然他已经知道他的国内议程是什么,但他说,“我对我对国际和外交政策的看法没有最模糊的想法。”

    最后,布什说:“这个国家有些人是你的敌人,他们也认为我父亲是你的敌人。” 班达尔知道布什说的是美国的以色列支持者,他想知道他应该如何处理以色列犹太游说团体以及厌恶沙特人和老布什的新保守派。 班达尔回答说:“我能给你一个建议吗?......如果你告诉我[你想成为总统],我想告诉你一件事。 与沙特阿拉伯见鬼去吧,谁喜欢沙特阿拉伯,谁不喜欢,谁喜欢班达尔,谁不喜欢。 任何你认为讨厌你父亲或你的朋友的人,如果他们在获胜方面发挥重要作用,请放下你的骄傲并与他们成为朋友。 我可以帮助你。 我可以帮助你并抱怨你,确保他们理解这一点,这将确保他们帮助你。” 班达尔的信息很明确:如果布什需要新保守派来帮助他赢得总统职位,那么他应该尽一切努力让他们站在他一边。 “如果你真的想说实话,没关系,”班达尔继续道。 “这不是告白亭……在大男孩的比赛中,这是残酷的,血腥的,不愉快的。”

    • 回复: @Ivan
    , @Wizard of Oz
  5. sarz 说:

    罗恩,感谢你的体面和勇气。 我希望你有一个很好的团队来保护你。

    • 同意: Iris
    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  6. 当然看起来像一个流氓国家。

    我不相信伊朗暗杀了任何美国政客......

    • 回复: @Heros
  7. D. K. 说:

    肯尼迪是我们的第 35 任总统; 杜鲁门是我们的第 33 任总统。

    这是一本书,它提供了一个合理的理由,说明为什么联邦政府会掩盖卡洛斯·马塞洛及其同伙下令进行的暗杀,该暗杀本质上是暴民袭击:

    https://www.publishersweekly.com/978-0-7867-1441-4

    我十几年前读过它。 它的编辑很差,而且重复得令人恼火,但我发现其中大部分是新的和突出的信息,对我来说是可信的,作为一名前律师——还接受过历史(BA)、人格和社会心理学等方面的培训(MS) 和管理与组织 (MBA)——自 25 年肯尼迪时代 1988 周年以来,在观看了一系列关于肯尼迪时代的电视特别节目后,他对肯尼迪遇刺事件产生了浓厚的兴趣,其中包括由著名报纸专栏作家主持的专题节目杰克安德森。

  8. Iris 说:

    重新发布我在第 1 部分中发表的评论:

    杰克鲁比直接指责林登约翰逊对肯尼迪总统的暗杀负责.

    这部伟大的纪录片(“梦想死去的那一天” – 1988 年)包含了对杰克·鲁比(Jack Ruby)的采访,此前从未放映过(@38:20)。

    当被问及他认为谁应对谋杀总统负责时,鲁比回答说:
    杰克·鲁比: “当我提到阿德莱·史蒂文森时,如果他是副总统,我们敬爱的肯尼迪总统就不会被暗杀了”。
    记者:“能再解释一遍吗?”
    杰克·鲁比: “嗯,答案就是现在在办公室的那个人”

    杰克鲁比在 1967 年提出了这个指控,“现在在职的人”是林登约翰逊

    当时,他正在寻求许可对他的定罪提出上诉。 批准了这个假期。
    在这次采访的几周内,他死于以前未被发现的癌症。
    拍摄采访的女人自杀了。

    • 巨魔: utu
  9. anon[392]• 免责声明 说:

    我认为名为“JFK – 吸烟枪”的电影最有意义。

  10. “尽管条件非常艰苦,但在尝试过程中,一名船员英勇地成功安装了替换天线,并通过尝试多种不同的频率,躲过了干扰”

    正是以色列人的愚蠢才使得尽管有干扰也能发送信息。
    以色列已经制造了导弹,这些导弹的天线和频率都是自由号使用的。
    然而,干扰发射器非常强大,以至于导弹朝着干扰器的方向飞行。
    因此,必须在每次发射导弹后将其关闭。
    在这些停顿中,自由号可以通知华盛顿这是以色列的袭击。
    然后麦克纳马拉不得不召回两架已经在前往开罗途中携带原子弹的轰炸机。

    我正在绞尽脑汁在哪里找到这些信息,但到目前为止还没有结果。
    许多书籍、文章和电视报道都提到了自由事件。

  11. j2 说:

    我发现这些“阴谋论”通常很容易解决:
    – 确认有阴谋
    – 确认有掩饰
    – 验证大众媒体是否在掩盖
    那么,谁能在媒体上进行掩盖呢?
    – 暴徒,不
    – 中央情报局,可以尝试,但真的做不了多久
    – 美国总统,例如肯尼迪、尼克松、克林顿,不
    – 那些控制媒体并压制他们不喜欢的出版物的人,是的
    那么只是,为什么?
    ——刺杀总统成功,美国政坛发生重大变化
    – 只有一件大事发生了变化

    解决这些问题很容易,但对手在袋鼠法庭上表现得像律师:否认一切,装傻,参考司法判决,开始重复像wackawackaconspeeracy一样的幼稚嘟囔......等等。

    • 同意: Iris
    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
    , @Sam J.
  12. 对于没有看过的人,这里是 Zapruder 电影的稳定全景版本。 有了这个,你可以更清楚地了解场景和真正发生的事情。 至少对我来说,它消除了很多谜团,揭示了物理事件本身并不那么引人注目,无论是谁做的。

  13. 另一篇有理有据且非常详细的文章。 我同意,鉴于几乎所有的参与者和目击者都早已去世,我们可能永远不会知道暗杀是如何计划的以及参与的人的许多重要细节。 但是,我们几乎可以肯定地得出结论,该阴谋涉及该机构的许多重要人物,包括 LBJ 总统。

    你对西摩赫什和他的书“卡米洛特的黑暗面”有什么看法? 我记得 MSM 对他的书进行了非常负面的报道,但我无法真正判断他的说法是否可信。 不过这是一本非常震撼的书。

    你在这里提到你认为我们的替代媒体在分析 LBJ 在暗杀中可能扮演的角色时不诚实。 为什么? 是因为媒体担心 LBJ 可能会杀死他们吗? 可能是因为我们媒体中的一些人在工资单上并被用来分散对“主谋”刺客的注意力吗?

    因此,主流媒体在避免承认任何阴谋方面的明显不诚实似乎与替代媒体中的第二层不诚实相匹配,后者已尽力避免承认最有可能的肇事者。

    这是一个很好的历史频道特别节目,讲述了 LBJ 可能如何参与了肯尼迪遇刺事件。 我个人认为这是一个很好的案例。

    • 回复: @j2
    , @Ron Unz
  14. 这是一张照片,证明 Oswald 和 David Ferrie 是通过民航巡逻队认识的。

    https://isgp-studies.com/DL_1967_02_22_David_Ferrie_death

    奥斯瓦尔德似乎也认识克莱·肖。 请参阅下面的报价。

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Clay_Shaw#Later_findings,_and_CIA_revelations

    1979 年,众议院暗杀特别委员会在其最终报告中表示,该委员会“倾向于相信奥斯瓦尔德于 1963 年 64 月下旬在克林顿(路易斯安那州),并且他与大卫·费里在一起,如果不是克莱·肖,”[65] 而路易斯安那州克林顿的证人“在暗杀前不到三个月就在费里、肖和奥斯瓦尔德之间建立了一种不确定的联系”。[XNUMX]

    中央情报局还承认克莱肖曾以某种身份为他们工作。 请参阅下面的报价。

    在 1979 年涉及《美国政变》一书的诽谤诉讼中,前中央情报局局长理查德·赫尔姆斯宣誓作证说,肖曾是中央情报局国内联络处的兼职联系人,肖自愿从那里提供信息。他出国旅行,主要是到拉丁美洲。[70] 与 Shaw 一样,到 150,000 年代中期,已有 1970 名美国人(商人和记者等)向 DCS 提供了此类信息。 [70] [nb 1] 2003 年 1949 月,CIA 发布了与暗杀记录审查委员会早些时候对 QKENCHANT 进行的调查有关的文件,QKENCHANT 是一个用于为非 CIA 人员提供安全批准的 CIA 项目,表明 Shaw 获得了“五局” 72 年 XNUMX 月清关。[XNUMX]

    更多有趣的信息如下。

    新奥尔良律师迪恩安德鲁斯向沃伦委员会作证说,当他因肺炎住院时,他在暗杀后的第二天接到了“克莱伯特兰”的电话,要求他飞往达拉斯代表李哈维奥斯瓦尔德。 [28] [29] ] 根据联邦调查局的报告,安德鲁斯告诉他们,“克莱伯特兰”打来的这个电话是他的想象。 [30]

    Garrison 在他的著作 On the Trail of the Assassins 中说,在对新奥尔良法国区进行长时间搜索后,他的员工从“Cosimo's”酒馆的酒保那里得知“Clay Bertrand”是 Clay Shaw 使用的别名. 根据加里森的说法,酒保认为这不是什么大秘密,“我的手下开始在法国区遇到一个又一个的人,他们证实'Clay Bertrand'是Clay Shaw的名字是众所周知的。”[\

    因此,Oswald、Ferrie 和 Shaw 似乎很可能彼此认识。 这有点奇怪。

    然后是 George de Mohrenschildt,一个非常复杂和有趣的角色。 我想知道这里是否有人可以告诉我更多关于他与奥斯瓦尔德关系的性质。

    • 回复: @Quift
  15. @Carlton Meyer

    我真的很喜欢黑暗记者对奥斯瓦尔德的分析。 我想我在另一个线程中发布了这个视频。

    奥斯瓦尔德当然是中央情报局的资产,就像已故的奥萨马·本·拉登一样。

  16. @Buzz Mohawk

    丹·拉瑟向公众谎报了这一事件。

    这是了不起的。

    看宁躺在这里。

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXFwbIx2mbc

    • 回复: @Buzz Mohawk
  17. Anonymous [又名“真相先生”] 说:

    请参阅 Col. L. Fletcher Prouty 视频和书籍,了解中央情报局为何讨厌肯尼迪的深层背景。

    http://www.prouty.org/

    Prouty 是 Oliver Stone 的电影 JFK 中 X 先生的来源。 Prouty 是二战中的一名空军飞行员。 他在世界各地执行任务,见证了历史的发生。 二战结束后,他在五角大楼担任军方和中央情报局之间的联络官。 他看到了授权为中央情报局在世界各地的行动提供军事支持的原始文件。

    正如 Prouty 解释的那样,在整个人类历史中,战争都是杀死另一个人并拿走他的东西的一种手段。 战争的准备和战争的进行为人类社会提供了一种组织原则,使人们有动力发展自己的社会,以免对方变得比你强大而杀死你。

    正如他所描述的那样,随着二战结束时原子武器的爆炸,常规战争立即被认为已经过时。 在未来的任何常规战争中,如果一方要赢得决定性的胜利,那么可能会失败的一方只会转向核,所有人都会失败。

    随着常规战争的结束和核战争的不可能,全球权力精英发明了代理人战争,作为战争继续的新手段,作为社会的组织原则。 在美国,中央情报局是发起和进行代理人战争的工具。

    Prouty 描述了在二战结束时,他如何向冲绳执行补给任务,以准备入侵日本。 冲绳的军事基地充斥着支持超过一百万人入侵所需的各种可能类型的物资。

    在原子弹投下并且日本投降后,普劳蒂声称他曾问过一名补给官员,他们是否打算将所有补给品送回各州。

    官员说没有。 他说所有的物资要分成两半,一半运往韩国首尔,另一半运往越南河内。 Prouty 认为,到 1945 年,朝鲜和越南已经被确定为第一次代理人战争的地点,中央情报局已经参与了战争的策划。

    肯尼迪计划解散中央情报局,普劳蒂在他的书、讲座和视频中讲述了肯尼迪遇刺事件如何扭转历史进程。

    肯尼迪遇刺事件是历史上无尽的兔子洞。 如果你跳进去,你就不会以同样的方式出来。

    • 回复: @Old fogey
  18. 想起一个老笑话:

    问:是谁开的枪杀死了墨索里尼?
    A:一千名意大利射手。

    约翰逊一直是我最喜欢的人,因为他是最有收获的人,但如果没有他的德克萨斯机器,他不可能做到这一点,其中最重要的是 KBR,他们通过将他们的男孩提升到如果肯尼迪计划在越南缩减规模的传言属实,那么他就是权力的顶峰。 巧合的是它发生在达拉斯? 很难,在那种情况下。

    那天在达拉斯地面上的其他有趣球员包括 GHW Bush,他与大多数美国人不同,不太记得总统被枪杀时他在哪里。 他是幕后推手吗? 几乎可以肯定不是,但他可能是一个不知情的同谋,做了一些有关联的事情,例如运送现金。 这纯粹是猜测,但有趣的是,他从相对默默无闻中崛起,成为德克萨斯州的一名石油人,与一名前中央情报局特工合作,在许多国际热点地区拥有石油利益,这为他积累财富奠定了基础as well as launch a long and storied political career that saw him elected to Congress, then appointed to the head of the CIA, and ultimately crowned as President.

    当特朗普试图将特德克鲁兹的父亲与奥斯瓦尔德联系起来时,我特别喜欢它。 考虑到他的父亲,这并非完全不可能,而德克萨斯大学的反巴蒂斯塔反叛者变成难民学生可能在德克萨斯州与奥斯瓦尔德有过交集……

    是的,所有的道路似乎都通向德克萨斯,除了那条通向 NOLA 的道路,但那离德克萨斯太远了,似乎石油工业类型可能会去那里闲逛并密谋发动政变。 它也是南部为数不多的以色列人可能看起来不那么格格不入的地方之一。

    至于以色列人……好吧,他们就是以色列人。 如果他们看到一个机会,通过解雇一个更有可能让他们控制他们的人来控制我们政府的有效控制,他可能不会为以色列人提供一个老鼠的支持,但对破坏中东稳定垂涎三尺,因为破坏稳定中东实际上使得克萨斯人在石油工业中控制或提升的世界各地的得克萨斯石油和其他石油资产更有价值,那么谁能责怪他们加入阴谋集团并开枪?

    • 回复: @j2
    , @Alden
    , @Skeptikal
  19. Heros 说:
    @Peripatetic commenter

    “当然看起来像一个流氓国家”

    在他们生下他们称为以色列的可憎之物之前很久,他们就已经流氓了。 这些暗杀尽管令人憎恶,但只是这些人对全人类的仇恨程度的一个小例子。

    “我不相信伊朗暗杀了任何美国政客……”

    我会对一份被国家社会主义者杀害的外国政客的综合名单感兴趣。 我不相信有任何人,即使犹太人和他们的“共产主义”有用的白痴在整个时期都忙于挑选德国人。

    正如乌图所讨论的那样,即使是 HW Bush 也受到了谋杀的威胁。 想象一下,如果你是一个距离以色列更近的小国的小政客,这些谋杀和谋杀威胁会有多可怕。 或者甚至是地球另一端的一个较小的贫穷国家。

    最近,我们在冰岛和丹麦展示了一个犹太力量的例子。 冰岛的绝大多数医生和护士都认为割礼是不好的,他们让当地政客支持一项禁止 18 岁以下男孩割礼的法案。那时 JP 介入了,现在不仅该法案被取消了,而且冰岛现在将支付冰岛的犹太教堂和拉比。 不久之后,同样的想法也发生在丹麦。

    毫无疑问,正如他们对冰岛的欺凌所表明的那样,犹太势力是全球性的。 毫无疑问,犹太势力非常古老,贝尔福宣言至少证明了它在过去 100 年的规模。 毫无疑问,犹太势力是非常邪恶的,他们不断地暗杀任何威胁到他们的议程或权力的人,正如本文和评论所证明的那样。

    神选民通过渗透、颠覆、谋杀和盗窃,一次又一次地证明自己是全人类的敌人。 伊朗是地球上唯一一个始终如此勇敢地提出这一观点的国家。 正如你所说,他们不会暗杀对手,也不会偷走他们的土地并将他们关在露天集中营。

    特朗普似乎承诺的唯一竞选承诺是摧毁伊朗。 特朗普竞选总统时完全知道犹太势力暗杀反对派的力量和意愿。 他跑了,知道犹太势力在他身后,因为即使是他也不够小丑来对抗犹太势力。 他跑去是为了帮助犹太势力粉碎伊朗,就像它粉碎俄罗斯、德国、利比亚、埃及、乌克兰、叙利亚和许多其他国家一样。

    • 回复: @utu
  20. j2 说:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    “你在这里提到你认为我们的替代媒体在分析 LBJ 在暗杀中可能扮演的角色时不诚实。 为什么? 是因为媒体担心 LBJ 可能会杀了他们吗? 是不是因为我们媒体的一些人在工资单上,被用来分散对“主谋”刺客的注意力?”

    你已经在莫里斯乔利的对话中找到了原因。 反对派媒体的创建名义上是代表另类观点,但实际上是为了让您想要沉默的问题保持沉默。 就连一向无所事事的反对派也同意这个问题,所以大家都接受了。 许多替代媒体没有什么可担心的,因为它除了外观之外什么都不是替代媒体。 但是有了互联网,做到这一点变得越来越困难。 最后他们失败了。

  21. j2 说:
    @The Alarmist

    “至于以色列人……好吧,他们就是以色列人。 如果他们看到一个机会,通过解雇一个更有可能让他们控制他们的人来控制我们政府的有效控制,他可能不会为以色列人提供一个老鼠的支持,但对破坏中东稳定垂涎三尺,因为破坏稳定中东实际上使得克萨斯人在石油工业中控制或提升的世界各地的得克萨斯石油和其他石油资产更有价值,那么谁能责怪他们加入阴谋集团并开枪?”

    所以,LBJ只是想推广德克萨斯石油并成为总统,与以色列没有特殊关系? 而以色列人刚刚加入阴谋集团,谁能责怪他们?
    我发现年轻的 LBJ 帮助加尔维斯顿项目非常有趣。 加尔维斯顿以某种方式让我想起了雅各布希夫。 而且我还发现,年轻的艾伦·杜勒斯 (Allan Dulles) 是制作乔利的对话的副本的人,奥拉纳 (Ohrana) 从中抄袭了协议,这让我很着迷。 两人都从年轻时就为黑暗面工作。

    • 回复: @The Alarmist
  22. Ivan 说:
    @utu

    是的,奇怪的是,老布什通过击败萨达姆在科威特的军队并获得了 90% 的支持率,驱散了“越南的幽灵”,据说由于经济原因,后来输给了克林顿。 白痴罗斯佩罗,一个资本家断奶了政府奶头当然有一个角色。 但我认为老布什是个骗子。 然后是克林顿,他出卖美国人在工业上与生俱来的权利,为中国人和以色列-巴勒斯坦“和平进程”的歌舞伎剧院卖了一首歌曲。 詹姆斯·贝克是长期以来对以色列最不同情的国务卿

    我记得当 GB 变得不方便时,媒体制作的图像,尽管他是二战中的老练飞行员,但他被描绘成众所周知的懦夫。

    • 回复: @utu
    , @anon
  23. 这是 RU 上一篇文章的很好的延续,我在不同程度上同意其中的大部分内容是阴谋的候选人:LBJ(可能),以色列/摩萨德(可能,不太可能)。

    但是,至少对我而言,更重要的是一个问题: 真的重要吗?

    1963 年,美国主要是欧美国家,白人占 85-90%,行为“正常”。

    现在,55 年后,美国和大多数白人国家(不包括许多前共产主义国家)是如此不同,以至于肯尼迪的想法、动机……几乎无关紧要。 我们生活在一个彻底改变的世界。

    美国的白人现在占人口的 60-65%,主流话语是反白人、反欧洲人、黑人狂热者、Mestizophilic、亚洲拜物教和犹太教偶像。 西方历史上的一切都被妖魔化了。

    疯狂的意识形态正在一步步摧毁西方:激进的女权主义(http://diversitymachtfrei.blogspot.com/2016/05/the-problem-with-feminism-why.html ),同性恋(不是同性恋)作为意识形态,媒体操纵有利于异族通婚(总是以白人为代价),粗俗的唯物主义和神经衰弱的致命结合——可能在过去的 400 年里,欧洲人民从未如此富裕同时无望。 所有工业化的人都没有达到令人满意的生育水平(日本人、中国人、韩国人……),但有很多人,至少他们不让外国人进入。只有各种白人都邀请了大量种族或文化上无法同化的外国人(穆斯林、非洲人、混血儿)并拒绝生育后代,因为他们想要“美好而不受阻碍的生活”。
    将媒体陈词滥调和成瘾添加到技术中,使大多数人以自我为中心(和反个人主义)成为白痴 - 什么会出错?

    在灾难性地改变西方国家(美国、法国、英国、德国等)的反文化 60 年代之后,新左派世界观的主导地位(疯狂的假反法西斯主义、对工人阶级的敌意、自由性和滥交) , 同性恋大众化, 对毒品的痴迷, 激进的女权主义, 对西方历史文化的仇恨, 道德相对主义, 对基督教的仇恨, 反男性的敌意, 黑人, 反理性主义和整代人的愚蠢, ..) 至少 2-3不可挽回的几十年——谁和为什么杀死肯尼迪,还有关系吗?

    • 同意: Dillon Sweeny
  24. @j2

    确实,就像 MH17 一样。
    从字面上看,欧盟可能在一夜之间对俄罗斯实施制裁。
    而且,与肯尼迪一样,究竟发生了什么,我们不知道,而且我担心永远不会知道。
    灾难发生当天下午,吕特首相致电正在法国南部度假的副首相阿舍尔。
    吕特让他用固定电话回拨,“这样俄罗斯就听不到了”。
    傻瓜阿斯彻在电视节目中说了这件事。
    在灾难发生几个小时后,没有人问过阿斯彻,俄罗斯人不应该知道的秘密是什么。

    为什么戴安娜是“意外”?
    我想是为了防止未来的英国国王有一个穆斯林继父。

    安娜·林德为何意外身亡?
    她将成为下一任瑞典首相,支持欧盟对以色列的经济抵制

    虚伪的赫斯为何自杀?
    如果他谈论二战历史将不得不改写。

    凯莉为何自杀?
    他很清楚布莱尔关于 45 分钟大规模杀伤性武器的胡说八道

    等等等等

    • 同意: Druid
    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  25. @j2

    好的,所以我没有剥足够层的腐烂洋葱。 我想我仍然接受这样的故事,即 LBJ 是一位为自己做得很好的德克萨斯州中学教师。

  26. Anonymous [又名“伊万2”] 说:

    的确,肯尼迪遇刺是一个兔子洞。 这是一个案例,你可以研究 10 年,但仍然不知道要知道的一切。
    至于罪魁祸首,不要忽视这一点:约翰肯尼迪的尸体解剖在军方的控制之下。 如果没有拙劣的尸检,《孤独刺客》的故事就无法维持下去。 问问你自己:什么力量可以让军医像他们那样做? 黑手党? 几乎不。 LBJ? 没有。以色列? 不,先生。

    • 回复: @Paul Jolliffe
  27. Iris 说:

    奥维尔尼克斯电影拍摄了从草丘向肯尼迪总统头部开枪的杀手.
    任何人都可以根据这段摘录自行判断:

    奥维尔尼克斯电影在沃伦委员会诉讼之前被当局“遗失”。 幸运的是,已经制作了一份秘密副本,并在1988年的纪录片“梦想死去的那一天”中播出。

    • 巨魔: utu
    • 回复: @Thirdeye
  28. Milton 说:

    我相信以色列的犹太复国主义者下达了命令,美国深州的共济会执行了命令。 也很有可能是犹太复国主义恐怖分子进行了实际射击,因为他们有杀死西方知名目标(莫因、贝尔纳多特、大卫王酒店爆炸案等)的经验,但更有可能是美国深州中憎恨肯尼迪的人做了实际拍摄。 在任何一种情况下,奥斯瓦尔德都不是孤独的疯子,案件肯定没有结束。 我们知道这一点是因为特朗普最近对密封的肯尼迪暗杀记录进行了重新分类,这些记录原定于 2017 年 XNUMX 月公布。他表示这样做是为了保护“国家安全”(又名保护深层国家和以色列)并保护“名字和地址”仍然活着的人。 特朗普远非深州的反对者,实际上正在与他们携手合作(穆勒的“调查”实际上是雾里看花,以分散羊群对特朗普实际上是深州的一部分这一事实的注意力) .

  29. @JohnnyWalker123

    当我写到这件事并不引人注目时,我用词不当。

    我只是想说稳定的全景电影让我在那里,这一切似乎都很简单。 你甚至可以看到司机是如何放慢速度的。 (没有阴谋,只是他对后座的所有骚动做出反应,但也让爆头更容易。)

    无论如何,丹拉瑟说谎可能并不引人注目。 哈哈

    肯尼迪的头在向后移动之前确实向前移动了,无论拉瑟或其他人当时是否注意到。 (这既不否定也不证实阴谋,顺便说一句。)

    • 回复: @Iris
  30. JamesG 说:

    肯尼迪遇刺时在欧洲工作和生活,第二天和法国同事共进午餐,我解释说美国有很多半疯子的人很容易获得枪支,而且与我的同事们的看法相反,有不需要情节。

    许多年后,我仍然坚信:没有阴谋,没有策划者,只是另一个拿着枪的美国人。

    (没有人记得他奇怪的母亲吗?)

    • 回复: @David In TN
  31. gsjackson 说:

    我听说斯通谈到尼克松看到鲁比射杀奥斯瓦尔德时的反应,但这肯定不是目击者的说法,因为斯通当时正在读 6 年级。 他作为一名政治特工的职业生涯可以追溯到 45 年作为一名大学生为 CREEP 做志愿者时,大约有 1972 年的时间,作为一名有影响力的人,他的职业生涯有所减少。

    显然约翰逊的情妇说他用很多话告诉她暗杀即将发生。 我认为毫无疑问,他是意识到并默许的,也许是一个积极的参与者。 Ruby 可能是他的人,他和 Ruby 都可能是以色列的人。 几年后,约翰逊在越南和内乱的主流媒体鲨鱼坦克中陷入困境。 如果他是肯尼迪遇刺事件的主要推动者,我怀疑媒体是否会一致放弃这个话题。 似乎只有以色列才能精心策划如此大规模和持续的掩盖行动。

    • 回复: @Carroll Price
  32. Desert Fox 说:

    看看谁杀死了肯尼迪,请阅读已故的 L. Fletcher Prouty 上校所著的这本书,肯尼迪、中央情报局和越南,而同样的人就是杀死 RFK 和 JFK jr 的人。 被杀并且与911和USS Liberty是同一个人,是控制美国政府的撒旦犹太复国主义者。

    • 回复: @Paw
  33. 迈克尔柯林斯派珀来自宾夕法尼亚州米夫林敦——宾夕法尼亚州中部的一个好老男孩。 我的人之一。 很高兴 Unz 先生看到了这一点。

  34. Jake 说:

    几十年前(我想是 1970 年代后期),有人给了我一本关于肯尼迪遇刺事件的平装书。 我既不记得书名,也不记得书名。 读完后,我把它传给了一位年长的亲戚。 当我问亲戚对这本书的看法时,他说他把它扔进了垃圾桶,因为它是所有阴谋书籍中最疯狂的。 他说这很可能是一本自我出版的书。

    我对这本书的回忆是,作者建议 LBJ 几乎肯定必须参与中央情报局和有组织的犯罪活动。 作者还建议必须有一些主要的共和党参与,很可能与中央情报局有关。

  35. Whoriskey 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    还有希望,正如小皮特在特拉法加之后所说的那样, “我们通过我们的努力拯救了自己,我们将以我们的榜样拯救欧洲”。

    支持他的欧洲领导人数量正在增加

  36. fnn 说:

    第七版也是最后一版 终审判决 (完成于 2011 年)最近(在 PIper 去世后)由美国自由出版社出版。 但法新社(卡托斯人)是在派珀的最后几年无情地骚扰派珀,不断削减他的薪水,未能为他提供医疗福利并最终使他陷入贫困的实体:
    https://afpstore.americanfreepress.net/product/final-judgment-special-double-offer/

  37. prusmc 说: • 您的网站

    肯尼迪在他的第一个任期结束前 13 个月被击倒,这是一个巨大的悲剧。 不是因为他对国家太好,而是因为约翰逊太坏了。
    毫无疑问,他会被选民选为第二个任期。 然而,如果一些丑闻被泄露,差距将会缩小,国会的滑坡就不会发生。 因此,约翰逊破坏性立法中最严厉的惩罚将在委员会中消亡,永远不会成为美国法典的一部分。

    另一个问题:E.Howard Hunt 在他可疑的临终忏悔中引用的其他人的名字是什么?

  38. @Bardon Kaldian

    这很重要,因为 1963 年是 XNUMX 年代的开始。 嬉皮士、越南、黑人激进分子、根深蒂固的底层社会福利、非婚生子、腐败和撒谎的政客等。

    人们之所以痴迷于肯尼迪暗杀事件,是因为社会突然受到了破坏。

  39. @utu

    你在 historycommons 网站上的最后一句话听起来很有道理,但有什么理由相信这不是完全编造的:本质上是一部小说?

    • 回复: @DCThrowback
    , @utu
  40. “坏苹果”的虚假信息依赖于这样的想法,即划分和合理的否认与严格的等级制度不相容。 中央情报局下达指令就让千花盛开,但其资产始终受到利诱、胁迫和妥协的严格控制。 多个 JFK 情节显示了中央情报局对重要项目的告密行动,而不是成群结队的偷偷摸摸的坏苹果。

    所有黑手党做的虚假信息都依赖于中央情报局和有组织犯罪之间的明显区别。 中央情报局在任何地方,他们都在为特工和抠图进行犯罪活动。 小罗伯特·肯尼迪在他的著作《美国价值观》中提出了这一点(这就是为什么它毫无波澜地沉没的原因。)

    当然,约翰逊有先见之明。 他在克林特默奇森的派对上,在中央情报局为政变开绿灯的闭门秘密会议上。 洛克菲勒的心腹约翰麦克洛伊也是如此。 中央情报局安排牵连许多有影响力的人。

    这里的关键是中央情报局有罪不罚。 中央情报局这样做是因为中央情报局可以侥幸逃脱。 这使约翰逊成为傀儡,而不是潜在威胁。

    这是我们都必须面对的。 我们所有人都在中央情报局的专制政权下长大,该政权雇用和解雇总统、立法者和法官。 也杀了他们。 他们仍然杀死或折磨他们想要的任何人。 问吉娜。

  41. Anonymous [又名“这是夸梅·恩克鲁玛。他知道。”] 说:

    现在我们要让一千个中央情报局机器人做这个的小变种,

    https://digwithin.net/2018/06/24/disruption/

    中央情报局做到了。 放弃吧,吉娜,我们知道。

    • 同意: ians
    • 回复: @utu
  42. Heymrguda 说:

    我也读过斯通的书,虽然他没有以任何方式“证明”LBJ 被肯尼迪枪击,但他确实为他的参与提供了一个合理的案例。 任何读过卡罗关于 LBJ 的系列书籍的人都会意识到他(约翰逊)有能力让他被暗杀,并且有手段和动机。 这个人没有任何原则或顾忌。

    我无法评论任何以色列的参与,但赞扬 Ron Unz 为那些相信 LBJ 几乎必须在该事件中发挥作用的人加入他的声音。 和这里的其他人一样,我也不是肯尼迪的粉丝。 但约翰逊升任总统对美国来说是一场无与伦比的灾难。

  43. 已故的 Fletcher Prouty 上校被分配到五角大楼,负责在暗杀前几年对中央情报局行动的空军支持。 他在那里的上司是爱德华·兰斯代尔将军,名义上是空军,但实际上是中央情报局的卧底,特种部队之父和 XNUMX 年代中期菲律宾政变的工程师。 熟悉肯尼迪叛变的人会记得“三个流浪汉”的清晰新闻照片,这些人在青草丘后面的铁路站场被捕,他们被带走,再也没有见过。 其中两人是霍华德亨特(中央情报局)和查尔斯哈里森(德克萨斯黑手党刺客)。 其中一张照片是一个西装革履的男人从旁边经过,似乎是在安抚三人。 与 Lansdale 密切合作多年的 Prouty 上校对他给予了肯定,这得到了当时南越 MAAG 指挥官“Brute”Krulak 将军的肯定。 他独特的头部形状和西点军校戒指清晰可见。 访问专用于 Col. Prouty 作品的网站,网址为 http://www.prouty.org 为此,以及其他许多直接来自马口的事情。 顺便说一下,在 XNUMX 年代末,书库六楼唯一在暗杀后未被识别的指纹与林登约翰逊的杀手马尔科姆华莱士相匹配,据报道,他至少为他执行了三起谋杀案。

    • 回复: @Alden
  44. 像往常一样,巴登简洁而准确地总结了这些问题。 在无关紧要和不必要的历史的兔子洞里,肯尼迪的暗杀阴谋又一次发生了。

    我有点好奇 Cloudflare 会得到多少锻炼。 这是特拉维夫的晚上…… Unz DDOS 旅似乎无动于衷。 约翰逊,嗯? 好的,回到粉碎伊朗和巴勒斯坦眼泪之路的计划。

  45. @Buzz Mohawk

    仔细观看Zapruder影片,可以看到,在六秒钟的拍摄过程中,豪华轿车的刹车灯亮着,几乎停下来。 司机一直在回头看,直到他看到肯尼迪的脑袋爆炸了才加速离开。 有一段影片剪辑显示,当护卫队开始离开洛夫菲尔德时,试图在后保险杠上以正常保护位置骑行的党卫军特工被细节负责人叫走了。 两人强烈抗议,但被命令回到车上。 没有摩托车骑手,这是标准的安全程序。 通常会确保阅兵路线安全的第 1112 军事情报小组被命令撤退,并且没有额外的安全措施来取代他们。 随心所欲。

    • 回复: @Buzz Mohawk
  46. @jilles dykstra

    “假赫斯?” 你是说不是赫斯的人让自己被关了几十年?

    为什么一个93岁没有洒过豆子的老人会突然变成危险人物? 他说的任何话都可能被认为是痴呆症的产物?

    • 回复: @Ivan
    , @jilles dykstra
  47. 半个世纪的流逝和几乎所有当代目击者的自然或其他方式的死亡,大大降低了得出确切结论的希望。 充其量,我们可以评估可能性和合理性,而不是高可能性,更不用说接近确定性了。 鉴于完全没有任何确凿的证据,我们对暗杀起源的探索必然依赖于谨慎的推测。

    多么可悲的胡说八道。 你应该为CNN写作。

    如果在帕克兰兹医院为肯尼迪治疗的医生,有过枪伤的人,都同意,正如他们所做的那样,肯尼迪是被头部前方的一颗子弹杀死的,那么他不是被德克萨斯教科书中的子弹杀死的据称奥斯瓦尔德所在的存放窗口。 因此,沃伦委员会的报告是基于谎言。 特别是,一份虚假的尸检报告和对尸检报告结果的重写,正是未来总统杰拉尔德·福特的作品。 这不是合理性或可能性、可能性或不确定性的问题。 这是您在法庭上可能获得的最有力的证据。

    但以色列没有这样做! 哈哈。 谁说以色列做到了? 只有一些疯子在这里自由评论。

    如果有人不厌其烦地去做,那么有趣的是更深入地研究中央情报局中组织犯罪的人的政治关系。 如果LBJ是最大的受益者,那么很可能有共和党人支持杀戮,否则中央情报局肯定不会采取行动。 暗杀事件发生时墨西哥城中央情报局站长 E. Howard Hunt 似乎与事件有关,原因是 (a) 奥斯瓦尔德访问墨西哥城中央情报局办公室,以及 (b) 亨特据称出现在迪利广场的迪利广场暗杀发生的时间,表明亨特在水门事件中的作用是查看民主党可能掌握的与暗杀有关的信息,这些信息本可以用来损害理查德尼克松竞选连任。

  48. 所有这些看起来都很有趣,并完成了我对 JFK 和 RFK 发生了什么以及谁负责,也许更重要的是,谁使“崔​​博诺”受益的假设,这是确定谁煽动谋杀的常用标准。

  49. prusmc 说: • 您的网站
    ?2389156?

    46岁的托尼
    告诉我们:穿西点军校戒指(普劳蒂和克鲁拉克将军都确认过)的那个男人是谁?

  50. fnn 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    联邦共和国的出生人数上次超过死亡人数是在 1971 年。这种情况可能正在改变,但不会是真正的德国种族在生育。

  51. “……约翰逊可能确实是一个被动的支持者,甚至是一个帮凶。”

    Lyndon Johnson 与 J. Edgar Hoover 的长期友谊/战略伙伴关系指向了“被动支持者”的角色。 马克·诺斯 (Mark North) 的《叛国行为》 (Act of Treason) (1991) 记录了胡佛对肯尼迪袭击事件的了解,但并未积极参与。 胡佛的工作是为政变提供官僚支持,并让他的朋友林登轻松进入白宫。

    暗杀的主要推动者是中央情报局的艾伦杜勒斯阴谋集团:李哈维奥斯瓦尔德的存在说明了詹姆斯安格尔顿的参与。 但是,扮演运营角色的网络的细节似乎仍然存在问题。 有一群美国情报官员和黑手党人物始于第二次世界大战。 现在的新研究一方面表明以色列的角色,另一方面表明第四帝国的元素。 (第四帝国元素是被称为 Die Spinne 或 Odessa 的 Otto Skorzeny 网络,它与麦克阿瑟的二战情报主管查尔斯威洛比有联系。)

    所以谜团还在继续。 但是,无论在肯尼迪大屠杀中扮演操作角色的网络是如何配置的,艾伦·杜勒斯都是教父。

  52. Anonymous[336]• 免责声明 说:

    杰基肯尼迪认为约翰逊是幕后黑手。 我相信鲍比肯尼迪也这样做了。
    https://www.irishcentral.com/news/jackie-kennedy-lyndon-b-johnson-jfk-murder

  53. jdf 说:

    很好地总结了暗杀的要点。 有几件事没有被提及:
    LBJ 宣誓就职时的“眨眼”。它抓住了它。
    玛丽恩·布朗 (Marion Brown) 声明说,她的情人 LBJ 提前告诉她肯尼迪将被杀死。
    彼得戴尔斯科特说:暗杀之门是通过杰克鲁比的。
    联邦调查局和司法部查看了鲁比的电话,并对其进行了编目。 几乎所有的都是犹太黑手党人物——而不是意大利人。 当众议院暗杀委员会要求提供这些成绩单时,他们被告知它们已经不存在了! 但最终找到了旧副本。 司法部有人试图将它们从记录中删除。
    恕我直言,关于暗杀的最佳书籍之一是 Gaeton Fonzi 的“最后的调查”。
    派博的书是必不可少的读物,但他只关注以色列和犹太人的关系。 由于缺乏“平衡”,它不应被视为关于肯尼迪遇刺事件的独立论文。
    在我的前十本书中,不可否认的是一个已经过时的清单:
    在刺客的踪迹上
    最后的调查
    深度政治与肯尼迪国际(JFK)的死
    肯尼迪和无法形容
    终审判决(以上保留)

    可能更重要的是一份绝对不可阅读的书籍清单——其中包括 Gerald Posner 的“Case Closed”。

    As a general rule, you can consider ANYONE arguing that Unz is full of s\$#t and Oswald did it as a crazed lone assassin, is a paid TROLL. The assassinations are grounded in solid research that has been going on since the 1970s, when I attended a four-hour lecture by David Lifton at SUNY Stony Brook–an event that literally toppled my world. It has never recovered.

  54. 哦,我现在明白了。 Unz 先生正试图通过在第一部分中向他们提供他早就应该接受的 JFK 阴谋分析来让大量的 JFK 阴谋爱好者看到他的反犹太主义曲目。 呜呜。 谁需要他的认可印章? 但现在我意识到,他的“批准”旨在引导他的读者沿着他的犹太人仇恨之路走向现代锡安长老协议,不仅解释了肯尼迪遇害事件,而且解释了大多数现代世界事件。 很好的尝试犹太人仇恨者。

  55. Jinks 说:

    您可能想找到一份《玛丽博士的猴子》。 我认为这是一本非常好的读物,讲述肯尼迪暗杀事件的一个侧面故事,讲述了新奥尔良和中央情报局正在发生的事情。

  56. @TonyVodvarka

    看电影。 你可以随便倒数五六秒 就在第二个和第三个镜头之间 (颈部伤口和头部伤口)。 第一枪(假设你同意大多数目击者的看法,即有三枪 听说 至少)之前发生过,错过了,也没有在这部电影中看到。

    多年来,人们一直在犯一个简单、常见的错误,认为所有三枪只有 XNUMX 秒,而实际上最后两枪之间大约间隔了 XNUMX 秒。 这个简单的思想错误已经成为许多声称射手没有时间打三好球的基础。 他没打中,然后撞到了脖子,六秒后撞到了头部,而汽车几乎一动不动。

    至于司机放慢速度。 思考。 他正在回头看,因为他的乘客在尖叫。 他踩下刹车并试图找出发生了什么。 没有理由认为他停下来是为了有人可以开枪。

    再次观看稳定的全景电影。 然后,如果你需要,去达拉斯看看迪利广场到底有多小,从那个窗口拍摄这些照片是多么容易。

    正如我对 9/11 所说的:你不需要构建一些 Rube Goldberg 的系列动作和一个魔法团队来进行阴谋。 即使您同意 Occam 并采取最简单的方法,也可能存在阴谋。

    • 回复: @ians
  57. jinks 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    重要只是因为真相总是重要的,直到它得到满足为止,它永远是鞋中的一颗鹅卵石。 过去之所以成为过去,只是因为它已经发生了,但它总是以它自己奇怪的方式与我们同在。 200 年前发生的事件会影响今天,以及 500 年前发生的事件。 有时事情需要有很好的理由来掩盖。

    至于我们的“kulcher”,我个人认为它只是国家生命周期的一部分。 我们都不年轻,一个国家也不年轻,它也会消亡。

    • 回复: @Dillon Sweeny
  58. @JamesG

    “(难道其他人不记得他奇怪的母亲吗?)”

    我记得她。 她对社会充满怨恨,这是她儿子完全吸收和继承的特征。 当鲁比杀死奥斯瓦尔德时,他的母亲要求将他安葬在阿灵顿国家公墓。

  59. 参考我之前关于 Piper 来自 Mifflintown 的评论,为了 Unz 先生的利益,我还想指出,喝太多酒虽然肯定与贫困有关,但它既是 PA Yinzer 的传统,也是一个贫困问题。 如果这些人中的一些人很富有,他们仍然会喝得太多。 每当我与 Piper 一起观看视频时,我都会有这种感觉。 哈哈。

  60. jdf 说:
    @jdf

    对错误表示抱歉:让 LBJ 的情妇玛德琳·布朗,而不是玛丽昂!

    • 回复: @jdf
  61. Anon[360]• 免责声明 说:

    如果不是因为可能与以色列有联系,真相现在可能已经出来了吗?

    有什么可以保护犹太势力的吗?

    和自由号一样。

  62. JoeK 说: • 您的网站

    第一部分和第二部分都很棒。 直觉上,我同意你的结论。 一个小问题:玛格丽特是哈里杜鲁门女儿的名字。

  63. @Hollywood mark

    哦,我现在明白了。 Unz 先生正试图让大量 JFK 阴谋爱好者通过给他们看他的反犹太主义曲目

    虚幻! 让我感到惊讶的是,最恶毒的以色列爱好者怎么他妈的都不会拼出“反犹太主义”。 他们小小的生命中最重要的一个因素,但他们只是不会学习如何拼写。

  64. Ron Unz 说:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    你在这里提到你认为我们的替代媒体在分析 LBJ 在暗杀中可能扮演的角色时不诚实。 为什么? 是因为媒体担心 LBJ 可能会杀死他们吗?

    我非常怀疑这一点。 约翰逊于 1973 年初去世,一个非常受人鄙视和憎恨的人物,当然很少有人担心在那之后会有任何报复,更不用说四十年后塔尔博特和道格拉斯写作了。

    我怀疑有几个因素,主要是我在讨论中概述的那些。

    首先,大多数肯尼迪研究人员都是强大的自由主义者或以其他方式钦佩“卡米洛特”,如果后者谋杀了前者,他们肯定很难在心理上接受大多数肯尼迪的高层人士完全愿意继续为 LBJ 工作。 .

    此外,“LBJ 杀死 JFK”对于绝大多数仍然相信“孤独枪手”杀死 JFK 的出版商和编辑来说,听起来可能是一种极端“疯狂的阴谋论”。 因此,考虑提出这种主张的作家可能会担心自己的职业生涯会被彻底毁掉。 我认为对羞辱、名誉损失以及由此造成的经济损失的恐惧比对身体伤害的恐惧要大得多。

    这是另一个因素。 让副总统通过暗杀前任上台是第一世界发达国家不会发生的事情。 顺便说一句,我想不出过去几百年来在任何一个大国发生过一个案例。 即使对于第三世界香蕉共和国来说,这也可能会非常尴尬。 哪个受人尊敬的美国历史学家会愿意承认,我们自己国家在 1960 年代初期国际声望达到顶峰时的政治实际上可能使危地马拉看起来像一个有序的宪政政府的光辉榜样?...

  65. @Hollywood mark

    Ron Unz 是犹太人,在一个讲意第绪语​​的家庭长大。

    不错的尝试犹太狂热分子。

  66. @jinks

    至于我们的“kulcher”,我个人认为它只是国家生命周期的一部分。 我们都不年轻,一个国家也不年轻,它也会消亡。

    “文化”不是“民族”的子集。 美国文化发生了变化-所有文化都根据外部影响而发生变化。 美国,作为一个建立在一系列启蒙原则之下的国家,已经结束。 仍然存在大量相互冲突的文化的泥潭/聚集,由一个可怕的腐败政府监督和操纵。

  67. utu 说:
    @Ivan

    我记得当 GB 变得不方便时,媒体制作的图像,尽管他是二战中的老练飞行员,但他被描绘成众所周知的懦夫。

    为什么新保守派称他为懦夫?

    1990 年,乔治·H·W·布什非常不情愿反对萨达姆·侯赛因。 他似乎真的相信所谓的“和平红利”、关闭基地和缩减军事规模。 然后萨达姆侯赛因在可能的同意下四月格拉斯皮为他和我们把这一切搞砸了。 是玛格丽特·撒切尔 (Margaret Thatcher) 扭着胳膊反对萨达姆·侯赛因 (Saddam Hussein)。 然后在甜点风暴中,他没有让计划升级,并阻止了军队一路进入伊拉克。 新保守派不喜欢他。

    为什么我们可以称他为懦夫?

    1991 年,他决定与以色列对抗,但随后放弃而不是升级,并让美国人民知道他需要他们的支持来反对大厅和售罄的国会。

  68. utu 说:
    @Heros

    关于 JP 在冰岛行使权力的好点子。 割礼对他们来说比他们让我们相信的更重要。

  69. Abe 说: • 您的网站

    非常好。 不过,只有一件事——任何在冷战期间成年的人都明白宣传和“光学”的巨大重要性,正如他们现在所说的那样。 1981年,法国共产党赢得了15%的总统选票。 加上社会党,合计占 40%。

    冷战时期构成美国“政治舞台”的大部分内容包括“双重打击”努力说服有点冷漠和边缘敌对的欧洲公众支持跨大西洋联盟和作为其基础的美国体系,这是一个困难的过程。考虑到欧洲左派在意识形态上反对美国的资本主义制度,而看似自然盟友的欧洲右派经常被美国文化的粗俗性质所排斥,批评无节制的“盎格鲁撒克逊”资本主义,以及对美国流行文化“帝国主义”的不满' 也是。

    在这种气氛下,在国外树立积极的美国形象是“深州”的首要关注点,鉴于中央情报局政变的曝光会对美国作为“自由世界的领导者”的地位造成不可估量的伤害,我无法想象情节是中央情报局孵化或领导的。 不过,中央情报局的纵容和幕后协助提出了非常有趣的可能性。

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  70. 我最近了解到另一种吸烟枪。 JFK的豪华轿车抵达帕克兰医院后,很多人都看过并拍照。 前挡风玻璃上有一个弹孔。 是从前面进来的,后来谁也没有讨论过。 豪华轿车在几个小时内被拖到华盛顿并秘密修理。 有很多关于这个的链接,例如:

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2012/06/douglas-p-horne/photographic-evidence-of-bullet-hole-in-jfk-limousine-windshield-hiding-in-plain-sight/

    • 回复: @tac
  71. Si1ver1ock 说:

    需要考虑的是,情报机构中的这些人 应该保护美国,但他们甚至无法发现暗杀就在他们眼皮底下,一堆证据堆在天花板上。 大多数美国人都能看到, 但不是那些负责“保护我们安全”的人。 跆拳道?

    在 RFK 暗杀事件中,我们有发生在酒店的中央情报局暗杀者的视频和照片,但他们也看不到。

    我们在电视上有无尽的犯罪节目,法医专家追踪凶手,但我们真正的执法人员看不出世贸中心大楼 7 内爆的方式有任何问题。

    我们正在谈论叛国罪,而且它正在发生,而不仅仅是过去。 特朗普再次推迟公布肯尼迪文件。

    谁杀死了RFK?

    • 回复: @Alden
  72. utu 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    谁和为什么杀了肯尼迪,还有关系吗?

    如果一个孤独的疯子杀死了肯尼迪,那也没关系。 如果以色列和犹太势力杀死了肯尼迪,这非常重要。 如果我能用魔杖让人们相信以色列和犹太势力是肯尼迪暗杀的幕后黑手,那么停止和撤销您列出的所有这些事情会容易得多:

    新左派世界观的主导地位(疯狂的假反法西斯主义,对工人阶级的敌意,自由性和滥交,同性恋大众化,对毒品的痴迷,激进的女权主义,对西方历史文化的仇恨,道德相对主义,对基督教的仇恨,反男性敌意,黑人,反理性主义和整代人的愚蠢,..

    • 回复: @Bardon Kaldian
  73. ians 说:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    '撞到脖子'。 你去了,踩高跷,立即证明你知道该死的一切。 子弹击中了背部,从颈部向下延伸了几块椎骨。 在夹克和衬衫上可以看到这些洞。 根据尸检确定,这颗子弹的穿透深度不超过几英寸。 因此,它不可能穿越身体并继续其神奇的神秘之旅,严重伤害康纳利,但几乎保持原始状态。 福特,正如他承认的那样,将报告中背部位置的符号向上移动到颈部,这是一种不可持续的尝试,使魔法子弹对于既没有智慧也没有兴趣进行任何挖掘的白痴来说是可信的。 地球不平坦,没有孤独的坚果。

  74. utu 说:
    @Anonymous

    现在我们要让一千个中央情报局机器人做这个的小变种,

    不,这将由所有那些会争论关于子弹、枪手、第二个奥斯瓦尔德、缺失的大脑、Zapruder 电影等等的小问题的阴谋论者来做。 他们中的大多数人会真诚地做这件事,没有意识到他们是中央情报局等有用的白痴。白痴通常没有意识到。

    这个帖子应该禁止关于肯尼迪遇刺的技术讨论。 如果您想讨论技术问题,请转到 Ron Unz 文章的第一部分。

    • 同意: Buzz Mohawk, renfro
    • 回复: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @ians
  75. 你问崔博诺在冷战中刺杀美国总统与苏联及其左派傀儡,不回答“苏联人和他们的左派傀儡”?

    • 回复: @ians
  76. @jdf

    任何能不开玩笑地写下“眨眼”“抓住它”的人都无济于事。

    • 回复: @Alden
  77. Eighthman 说:

    一位远程观察者的通灵者对肯尼迪被谋杀的原因提出了一个有趣的想法。 权力掮客认为他鲁莽,对整个世界构成威胁。

    古巴导弹危机没有终结世界真是个奇迹。 如果受到攻击,苏联分指挥官拥有立即使用核武器的权力——而且他们是深水炸弹。

    这可能是锦上添花。

  78. @utu

    这就是为什么我写道:

    正如我对 9/11 所说的:你不需要构建一些 Rube Goldberg 的系列动作和一个魔法团队来进行阴谋。 即使您同意 Occam 并采取最简单的物理路线,也可能存在阴谋。

    如果我在此线程上发布的任何内容导致技术方向和第二部分的主题,请原谅我。

    我的重点是展示如何非常简单地看待物理事件并将其搁置一旁,以免干扰对可能涉及的人员和权力的清醒审查。

    由于我同意您的评论,因此我不会进一步回复任何争论子弹,伤口,射手等的人。

    • 回复: @Dillon Sweeny
    , @utu
  79. @utu

    如果以色列和犹太势力杀死了肯尼迪,这非常重要。 如果我能用魔杖让人们相信以色列和犹太势力是肯尼迪暗杀的幕后黑手,那么停止和撤销您列出的所有这些事情会容易得多:

    这简直是​​错误的。 根据这种世界观,基本上,这是 Joo(或任何其他)阴谋。

    几乎所有有阴谋论头脑的人都会犯的一个重大错误是,他们试图将一个明确定义的群体(主要是宗教、种族、种族……)定位为 练习 主要社会文化变化的源头,通常是犹太人(有时是泥瓦匠或类似的东西)。

    这是一个重大的失误,因为不存在这样的团体。 过去 3-4 年西方(和美国)的任何种族/种族/……与大动荡之间没有因果关系,尤其是重新移民辩论、文化和种族外来和敌意群众的涌入、家庭解体和诋毁国家忠诚等。认为一个(或多个)相对容易识别的群体可能是这种巨大动荡的根源,这表明历史文盲。

    从罗马共和国到罗马帝国的过渡、新教改革、十字军东征、国家君主制的形成、启蒙运动、国王“神权”的崩溃、帝国主义的扩张,这些令人震惊的革命和世界观的变化背后没有任何种族或意识形态的人群。欧洲列强,19 世纪、第一次世界大战和第二次世界大战中的民族觉醒……不是犹太人,不是泥瓦匠,不是光明会,不是玫瑰十字会,也不是居住在喜马拉雅山的一些神秘兄弟会。

    简而言之,西方文明已经走到了尽头——因为它是 18 世纪启蒙运动的延续——我们正在目睹进一步衰败的过程,这些过程包含在列宁提出的著名假设问题中:“是推动我们走向伟大的力量吗?同样的,被历史的变异所转化,最终导致我们的崩溃?”

    奥斯瓦尔德·斯宾格勒 (Oswald Spengler) 尽管对技术、各种民族文化及其主导潮流的作用存在缺陷和错觉,但他比大多数人更了解这一点。 西方文明矩阵陈旧而疲倦。 而这正是西方衰落的根源。 最困扰西方和美国的是什么(种族替换,PC“自由”意识形态枪口,享乐主义空虚和生物崩溃表现为不孕症,病态利他主义,疯狂的意识形态时尚,如第n波女权主义,媒体侵略促进“多样性” & 同性恋——与同性恋不同,对欧洲和西方文化的自我憎恨……)——这在意大利、西班牙、丹麦、挪威、法国、德国、瑞士……我们。 在这些国家,犹太人在媒体和整体生活中的存在可以忽略不计或根本不存在。

    尽管这些国家的统治精英各不相同,但他们是世袭贵族、成熟资产阶级家庭和富豪寡头的混合体。 历史上,这些团体一直为他们的国家服务。 现在,他们在道德和文化上都破产了,并为那些未来是毁灭的过时神灵服务——类似于 18-19 世纪出现在自负和受骗的贵族或 20 世纪的帝国主义沙文主义者身上的情况。

    神经衰弱和老年社会文化矩阵带来的失败是罪魁祸首,而不是某些团体的阴谋。

    但是,社会文化矩阵已经耗尽,而不是人。
    我们的缺陷是对当前事件的线性推断,这导致了悲观主义宿命论的瘫痪。 我们应该从历史中知道这是一个致命的错误。 只需比较 1930 年(汽车、飞机、法西斯主义、共产主义、立体主义、量子力学、相对论、精神分析、无线电、坦克、电影等)和 1900 年(技术、科学、意识形态和艺术上与 1880 年大致相同的欧洲) )。

    所以,我们不应该放弃希望,我们中一些痴迷于犹太人的人,应该放弃这个疲惫的老栗子。 如果所有美国犹太民族主义者都被引导到以色列,那么在某些方面欧美人的生活会稍微轻松一些,但没有本质上的不同。 黑人将仍然是黑人,PC 枪口将仍然是 PC 枪口,dopeheads 将仍然是 dopeheads,五角大楼将仍然是五角大楼,......

  80. peterAUS 说:

    聚会场所/蜜罐(70/30)。
    前者:显而易见。
    后者:收集->分析。 主要是作为锻炼,只是作为一个轻微的预防措施。

  81. utu 说:

    犹太复国主义阴谋论者对派珀最终审判的看法. 巴里·查米什(Barry Chamish)是刺杀拉宾的人,他的阴谋论受到了一些关注。 他指出,在玛莎葡萄园附近的飞机事故中丧生之前,小肯尼迪正在出版和工作以及 Rabn 的暗杀。 总之,值得一读:

    http://www.rense.com/politics5/zionist.htm

    “奥斯瓦尔德的经纪人是一家名为 Permindex 的日内瓦贸易促进公司的董事会成员,我认为这家公司是摩萨德秘密行动的前线。”

    “肯尼迪要求结束以色列的核计划,激怒了以色列总理大卫·本·古里安。 ”

    “中央情报局参与其中是因为其顶级枪手詹姆斯·安格尔顿是一名以色列特工。 他的职责是在古巴流亡社区准备好肉饼并植入“假旗”。”

    “真正的杀手是美洲国家组织雇佣的科西嘉杀手,或者至少可以肯定,他们是由摩萨德的欧洲首席刺客伊扎克·沙米尔招募的。”

    “我会认为整件事是一个奇妙的故事,除了四年前我开始研究 Yitzhak Rabin 的暗杀事件之外,我独立地发现了太多与派珀相同的事实。 最不可思议的是,我还得出结论,法国情报部门为拉宾谋杀案提供了行动指导。”

    “总而言之,派珀听起来不像是一个反犹太主义者,我可以发现一个。 我相信他是一个真诚的求真者。”

    “派博提到了一个众所周知的事实,即杰克·鲁比在结束奥斯瓦尔德的前一天晚上在达拉斯警察局会见了“以色列记者”。 可能是为了加强派珀的说法,我的许多通讯员向我指出,在利亚拉宾的传记中,她指出她的丈夫伊扎克于 22 年 1963 月 XNUMX 日在达拉斯。而拉宾本人也承认他第二年在柬埔寨视察以色列的“实验农场”。 是的,拉宾可能是“记者”之一,是的,农场可能一直在种植罂粟花。”

  82. anon[290]• 免责声明 说:
    @Ivan

    我记得当时布什未能充分刺激经济。 当事情变得明显时,为时已晚。 还有其他人记得1992年寄出的退税支票吗?

    他们在 1992 年初退出并在秋季开始,选举迟到了,但克林顿因经济改善而获得了充分的信任。 想知道为什么美联储没有介入吗?

  83. @Ron Unz

    尼克松政变呢? 首先,他们摆脱了他的副总裁,并任命了沃伦委员会的走狗杰拉尔德福特。 然后他们诬陷尼克松为 BS 并迫使他辞职。 尼克松知道抵抗的肯尼迪发生了什么事。

    阅读有关到达阻止佛罗里达州投票重新计票以便布什二世可以接管的暴徒以及最高法院干预以阻止民主的信息。 戈尔因为对他的家人的威胁而去了。

    两者对我来说都是第三世界的。

    • 回复: @redmudhooch
  84. anon[290]• 免责声明 说:

    我得和不叫的狗一起去。 唯一可以压制任何文字提及的演员是主要候选人。 但如果他们能做到,他们有必要这样做吗?

  85. 首先,你刺杀了这个男人,然后让他的寡妇与部落中的一个一起被解雇,并锦上添花,让他心爱的女儿也嫁给一个,让世界知道谁是真正的老板!

    还有谁能比以色列更适合从事政治暗杀业务……你需要一个白人犹太人来做一个瑞典人,没问题! 你想打倒甘地……没问题! 只需得到一个 Kochin 或 Idi Amin ......得到一个 falasha。 如果毛或恩莱对部落采取行动,他们会怎么样? 准备好开封转换。 萨达特呢? 出色地! 有一些看起来像阿拉伯人的人一打。 你无法逃脱机器......

  86. Alden 说:

    巴尔麦克伦南的血钱与权力

    弗雷德·纽科姆的《从内谋杀》

    两本书都声称约翰逊杀死了肯尼迪。

    麦克伦南是约翰逊的一位律师的儿子

    我把它们和派珀的书一起读了。

    他们更有意义的是,仇恨达拉斯警察局的右翼气氛包括官员蒂皮特,奥斯瓦尔德的另一个受害者和总统布什和中央情报局联邦调查局秘密服务陆军海军空军农业部和所有其他政府部门,当然还有指挥军队的人被 15 名射手伏击,伞人。

    享受你的神话传说和童话故事,天真轻信的白痴。

  87. peterAUS 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    这简直是​​错误的。

    如果所有美国犹太民族主义者都被引导到以色列,那么在某些方面欧美人的生活会稍微轻松一些,但没有本质上的不同。

    勇敢的言论在这里。
    祝你好运…。

    如果您在即将到来的猛攻中幸存下来,我的意思是再教育/告知,嗯,解决以下问题的方法是什么:

    简而言之,西方文明走到了尽头……

    以及

    神经衰弱和老年社会文化矩阵带来的失败是罪魁祸首,而不是某些团体的阴谋。

    但是,社会文化矩阵已经耗尽,而不是人。

  88. 尼克松知道抵抗的肯尼迪发生了什么事。

    沃伦委员会的报告是一种掩盖。 证据是清楚的 出于我在此处说明的原因.

    如果沃伦委员会的报告是一种掩饰,他们有什么可以掩饰的? 显然,政府在暗杀肯尼迪的过程中是同谋。 那么,特别是谁参与了。 很明显,进行暗杀的政府部门,中央情报局。 但这并不意味着中央情报局就流氓了。

    中央情报局为权力服务,因此无论该机构内的某些人如何对抗,如果没有两党的政治支持,中央情报局都不会对刺杀肯尼迪采取行动。

    LBJ,明显的受益者,完全有理由向中央情报局点头,但过道另一边的某个人也必须同谋。 WHO?

    嗯,尼克松在上次选举中曾是共和党总统候选人,所以他是党的有效领导人,因此是该去的人。

    正如我在这里争论的那样, 尼克松知道暗杀事件可能是他垮台的真正原因。 尼克松的副总统杰拉尔德·R·福特被 LBJ 任命为沃伦委员会成员,正是他严重篡改了该报告,从而对李·哈维·奥斯瓦尔德的遇害负责。

    因此,福特很可能对尼克松有所了解,并在水门事件调查中勒索他辞职。

  89. utu 说:

    呼吁暗杀奥巴马的《亚特兰大犹太时报》主编究竟说了些什么? 我找不到原文,但这是大西洋中的引述

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/01/what-earth-would-prompt-newspaper-editor-call-obamas-assassination/332854/

    三、批准驻美摩萨德特工干掉一位被认为对以色列不友好的总统 为了让现任副总统接替他的位置,并强行规定美国的政策包括帮助犹太国家消灭敌人。

    是的,你读对了“三”。 为了维护以色列的存在,下令打击总统。 想想看。 如果我想过这个汤姆克兰西式的场景,你不觉得这几乎是深不可测的吗? 这个想法已经在以色列最核心的圈子里讨论过了?

    后来被迫辞职的安德鲁·阿德勒先生是从哪里想到杀死一位总统以便由对以色列友好的副总统取而代之的? 阿德勒先生是否研究过肯尼迪遇刺事件和 LBJ 对以色列的政策? 或者这是一个常识和常见的犹太人作案手法:杀死不喜欢以色列的人? 犹太人是否考虑和谈论暗杀对以色列不友好的美国总统? 犹太人是否认为以色列的深层政府会考虑暗杀并在必要时采取行动?

    • 回复: @Anon
    , @redmudhooch
  90. @Buzz Mohawk

    嗡嗡声,别让 U2 欺负你。 他总是充满了他个性化的废话。 如果您想提出有关物证的问题,请提出。

    我注意到互联网上的一些“尸检”照片似乎已经变成了血淋淋的脑组织,实际上堆积在头骨的后面。 很容易使子弹穿过的颅骨浅横断部分中实际存在的脑物质数量增加一倍。 这很奇怪,因为最初发布的照片​​显示右侧后侧的撞击孔很小,并且被头发遮住了。 我最近没有寻找那些第一版,但我确实想知道这是怎么发生的?

    我怀疑很像 Bldg 7 的照片。 2018年,你想要的任何视频或静态照片都可以轻松创建,同时保留了“专家”所说的“无可辩驳的标识符”,

  91. Alden 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    关于自由号在干扰之间的间隔发送信号的信息在“攻击自由号”一书中。

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  92. 这一切都很有趣,但我很惊讶没有人提到波多黎各民族主义者。 他们是 1 年排名第一的国内恐怖威胁。他们对肯尼迪违背他的反殖民言论并继续使用别克斯岛进行军械试验感到非常愤怒。

    波多黎各人并不是暗杀游戏的新手。 他们试图在 1950 年获得杜鲁门,在 1954 年获得大部分国会议员。许多人曾在武装部队服役,这意味着他们是好枪手。

    • 回复: @Alden
  93. 虽然我们讨论的是为了颁布各种之前没有追求的政策目标而杀害美国总统的邪恶阴谋,但我很好奇有多少读者认为该线程中嵌入了以下“A 计划”目标在更大的 9/11 行动中,计划显然开始了一年多才最终执行。 例如,人们真的相信这部电影只是巧合吗? 珍珠港长达三个多小时,恰巧是那年夏天早些时候在影院上映的大片,方便地将经常被背诵的“新珍珠港”模因牢牢扎在数百万人的脑海中?

    由于在行动的早期规划阶段,人们普遍期望 Al Gore 将成为新总统,从 2001 年开始,在炸毁曼哈顿的三座世贸大厦的背景下摆脱他可能随后被提出在媒体上几乎同样偶然,在数千人的范围内被杀,尽管非常不幸和严重。 正统犹太人乔·利伯曼 (Joe Lieberman) 届时将接替戈尔,随后肯定会更积极地代表以色列进行军事战争,等等。

    也许戈尔应该认为自己很幸运,因为他输掉了 2000 年的选举。 相反,在那个决定性的日子里,我们看到了以下场景,在此期间,特勤局揭露他们不知何故知道乔治·W·布什不是大规模攻击行动的目标,因为它仍在展开; 不然的话,要是让他们大吃一惊,他们会立刻把他带走,走出教室,到一个秘密地点。

    Bush & Kids – 无旁白的六分钟视频
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTDixBG5qF4

    免得有人认为儿童读物的选择(宠物山羊, 1995) 那天早上以精心排练的节奏朗诵纯属巧合,请注意,在耶鲁大学就读本科期间,布什和前几任美国总统一样,是 Delta Kappa Epsilon (ΔKE) 兄弟会的成员,为此一个有争议的入会仪式是与山羊发生性关系,这个主题甚至在至少两首已发表的兄弟会歌曲中被提及为双关语,而且这种做法多年来一再让这个兄弟会陷入困境。 由于布什本人可能对正在发生的事情“不了解”,活动策划者可能想巧妙地提醒他,如果他不配合剧本,他们在媒体中的同伙很容易成为一个非常大的问题在那不勒斯考古博物馆的一个著名雕塑中,他在年轻的大学时代醉酒地扮演了希腊神潘的角色。

    如果这个词不是一个坏主意 巧合理论家 将得到更广泛的应用。

  94. utu 说:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    在第二部分发表评论时,与您对 9/11 有类似的想法。 JFK 暗杀的相互矛盾的技术理论占优势,完全使任何人都看不起这不可避免地会导致以色列的 qui Bono。 我突然想到 9/11 可能会有类似的命运。 这个想法非常令人沮丧。 最近,我们从 Cass Sustain 那里了解到“认知渗透”一词。 我似乎很清楚,这种认知渗透在 JFK 真相者的案例中成功地进行了。

  95. nickels 说:

    LBJ 有一群德克萨斯石油巨头和约翰·伯奇协会类型的人员,随时准备提供帮助。 他们甚至在肯尼迪到达的那天张贴了一张“通缉叛国罪”的海报:
    如果这是真的,那么伯奇社会与齐奥船员同床共枕,这可能是可信的,因为对俄罗斯的十字军东征主要是利用托洛茨基分子对斯大林对俄罗斯国家的围攻的苦涩,因此之间的自然联盟Zio 和 Birch 小组:

    http://www.dcdave.com/article4/050308.htm

    狩猎队的详细信息:
    https://stevenhager420.wordpress.com/2013/11/27/h-l-hunt-is-a-key-to-the-jfk-assassination/

    而且,当然,LBJ 是公认的谋杀案,而且是天主教徒:

    • 回复: @prusmc
  96. Alden 说:
    @jdf

    你读过利夫顿的书吗? 他声称在降落华盛顿和尸体到达尸检室之间的某个时间; 同谋者有一位博士待命。

    医生在伤口上挖了个大洞。 进行尸检的医生被一具已经死亡数小时的尸体上挖出的伤口所迷惑。

    显然,进行尸检的海军博士并没有意识到尸体在死后不会流血。
    如果我读过的所有肯尼迪杀人书籍,Leftin's 是最可笑和最不可能的。

    和许多白痴一样,他似乎认为对伤口无休止的猜测可以证明是谁干的,为什么杀人。

    通过询问谁受益开始调查。 保险和纵火调查员是这方面的专家。 警探以开放的心态开始。

    保险调查员首先假设受益人纵火、自己实施了盗窃汽车或杀死了被保险的商业伙伴或配偶。

    在我看来,我读过的书的作者都不是调查员,甚至在他们决定由中央情报局 FBI 达拉斯 PD 特工处进行调查之前,他们都懒得去了解一些有关调查的知识。

    Rib 是对的,几乎所有的书都是由左派自由主义者写的,他们试图证明左派反对黑色,执法部门是负责任的。

    请记住,当 Rush to Judgemetn 和其他左翼宣传写成时,黑人正在骚乱。 ,犹太人左派领导了黑人暴动。 犹太媒体为黑人暴徒辩护,并谴责和指责警察。

    这与最近的弗格森·莫骚乱没有什么不同,因为恶棍迈克尔·布朗在袭击一名警察时被枪杀。
    左派一直憎恨警察,因为警察是对付针对白人的犯罪黑人的唯一防御。

    自 1920 年代以来,左派一直在攻击警察。 这就是左翼神话制造者攻击达拉斯警察局的原因。 这就是为什么左派会
    总是攻击控制左派犯罪工具的警察。

  97. Anonymous [又名“约翰帕克”] 说:

    此评论部分(或文章本身)中没有人提及有关 ARRB 的任何内容,因此这不是一个消息灵通的观众或作者。

    解开这个谜团的关键是 ARRB 能够使所有尸检参与者都被迫签署的军方保密声明无效。 完成后,罗宾逊和里德能够谈论他们看到休姆斯对总统进行的非法预验尸手术,以去除轨迹证据。

    Doug Horne 的“Inside the ARRB”(五卷)。 霍恩是 ARRB 的成员。 读一读这本书,你就会知道发生了什么。

    记住这些名字。 罗宾逊和里德。 如果我们有一个诚实的 MSM,他们将成为美国最著名的名字之一。

    • 回复: @Alden
  98. Heros 说:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    每次看到 Zapruder 的电影,我都会被 Kinks 的歌曲“Give the people they want”提醒:

    当奥斯瓦尔德射杀肯尼迪时,他疯了
    然而我们仍然一次又一次地观看重播
    当杀手瞄准时,我们都坐在那里……
    嘿,妈妈,总统大脑的碎片

    肯尼迪的两次暗杀也是一次大规模的心理暗示,直到今天仍然如此。 所有的谈话节目,所有的电影,所有在屏幕上闪烁的图像,所有的背景音乐。 但丑闻,总是被用来推动性化和破坏家庭议程。 肯尼迪公开有很多情人,包括马拉琳梦露,她自己也是另一个心理医生。

    克林顿著名的雪茄也是如此。 这种对不正当性行为的痴迷是丑闻发源地的一个非常有力的指标。 指向这个地方的所有不吠叫的狗也是证据。

  99. Alden 说:
    @Ron Unz

    我完全赞成你。 英雄所见略同。

    事情发生时我才十几岁,几乎所有杂志和报纸文章以及接下来 30 年写的书都是从左派自由主义宣传的角度写的。

    唯一的嫌疑人是一名叛逃到左翼天堂苏维埃俄罗斯的左翼自由主义者,这在很大程度上是令人震惊的。

    两天后,一名有着明显犹太名字的男子射杀了唯一的嫌疑人。 这个犹太人不是一个贫穷但诚实的小商人,不是为社会正义而奋斗的律师,也不是来自反闪族波兰的难民。

    他是一个皮条客和肮脏的脱衣舞俱乐部经营者。

    左派用了 30 年时间,不断地发表着越来越精彩的理论。

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  100. Rurik 说:

    谁干的?

    肯尼迪想用皮带控制美联储和他们的狗,中央情报局

    谁受益?

    甚至会发动六日战争(这对该地区的阿拉伯国家来说是灾难性的,而对以色列来说却是非常有利的)?

    谁有权将美国拖入第一次世界大战,[见巴尔弗宣言]

    谁有能力将美国拖入二战?

    谁有权掩盖自由号航空母舰事件?

    今天谁有能力犯下像 9/11 这样可怕的罪行,然后掩盖一切?

    我个人不知道谁最终负责,但如果我们问崔伯诺呢?

    如果我们问谁有能力和意愿这样做……

    尤其是考虑到肯尼迪对美联储的威胁时。 索伦之眼代表犹太复国主义力量。

  101. Alden 说:
    @Si1ver1ock

    没有证据表明当 RFK 被枪杀时,塞萨尔塞萨尔或厨房里的其他人是中央情报局的暗杀者。

    你可能会这么认为,但思考和指责并不能让它如此。

  102. Alden 说:
    @Tono Bungay

    关于奥斯瓦尔德周围警察在鲁比开枪时脸上的表情证明他们是同谋的荒谬说法呢?
    Iris 甚至声称 Levealle 警官穿着白色西装,以便从警察总部的窗户向 Ruby 发出信号。

  103. MacNucc11 说:

    我不认为约翰逊是主谋,因为我不相信如果他被从 dem 票中删除,事情不会像 RU 所描述的那样可怕。 大不了,他作为一名腐败的德克萨斯政治家做得非常好,我认为他会继续这样做。 凭借他的暴徒和石油关系,他仍将是德克萨斯政治中的权力掮客。 显而易见的是,他肯定会帮助掩盖他确实做到的杀手的踪迹。

  104. Sean 说:

    詹姆斯·安格尔顿被怀疑泄露了中央情报局在克格勃中的一名特工的信息,因为安格尔顿已经确信这是一个克格勃三叉戟。 DCI James Schlesinger 回忆说,听他说话“就像看印象派画作”。 安格尔顿被许多下属认为是疯了,有人会服从他的命令杀死肯尼迪吗?

    使安格尔顿成为历史学家和传记作家的难题的原因在于,他在 1959 年至 63 年期间失去了自己的分寸感和在不确定性中生活的能力,当这变得非常明显时——特工妥协、行动失败、间谍被揭露— 西方情报部门存在严重问题,需要更积极的 CI 和安全措施。 11

    约翰韦恩电影中的角色演员本约翰逊在他生命的尽头价值超过100亿。 LBJ 拒绝再次竞选公职,如果他有什么要隐瞒的,他会试图继续担任总统以控制局势,并继续奖励所有可能会因剪掉肯尼迪或帮助掩盖它而获得奖励的人。

    我真的怀疑任何人,甚至是美国副总统或中央情报局局长,都有权下令对某个人进行政治暗杀之类的事情。 坐在 总统 。

    底层的人怎么会知道他们的命令实际上来自中央情报局的高层,甚至是副总统? 他们怎么知道告诉他们的人不是克格勃双重间谍(甚至中央情报局局长都被同事怀疑是苏联特工),也不是为什么帮派工作的人),也不是出于莫名其妙的动机,也不是出于疯狂。 如果他们服从这样的命令,他们就会知道太多而不能活着,正如秘密特工会立即意识到的那样。 他们当然希望得到永远保护的保证,但他们怎么能相信呢?

    如果是中央情报局,那就是低于部门主管的人(如比尔·哈维),指挥一个受过暗杀训练的紧密小团队(如哈维的猫鼬行动小组)和有个人动机的人,如哈维在他之后因不接受不会有任何入侵来罢免卡斯特罗而被解雇。

  105. Alden 说:
    @Bragadocious

    波多黎各革命者从未受到指责,因为与黑人一样,公关革命者受到渴望指责达拉斯警察局和联邦调查局的左翼自由主义者的喜爱。

  106. peterAUS 说:
    @Alden

    …我完全赞成你。 英雄所见略同…。

    哦。

    我是说………

    美丽的。 只是美丽。

  107. Ron Unz 给我留下了深刻的印象。 我希望他能竞选总统。

    • 同意: Dan Hayes
    • 回复: @Haxo Angmark
  108. Si1ver1ock 说:

    在这些问题上,半个世纪的流逝以及几乎所有当代目击者的自然或其他死亡都大大降低了得出确切结论的希望。

    也许。 随着时间的推移变得更加清楚的一件事是谁受益。 仔细看看那些被安置到位以进行掩盖的人,人们喜欢 乔治·乔安尼德斯 和理查德赫尔姆斯。 谁被提拔了?

    以色列的角度很有趣,但以色列对我不起作用。 我的政府 欠我一个解释。 他们 有维护宪法的义务。 他们 宣誓确保法律得到忠实执行。 这是 保护美国免受伤害的责任 国内外的所有敌人。

    • 回复: @redmudhooch
  109. Anon[416]• 免责声明 说:
    @utu

    OT,但了解了这一点:
    http://www.investmentwatchblog.com/italy-bans-freemasons-from-cabinet-minister-positions/

    意大利语或西班牙语的文章要好得多。 他们基本上说这是因为 2 年 P1981 教派欺诈的“最近”事件。认为他们不希望具有隐藏忠诚度的全球主义者渗透到一个新的缺乏经验的政府中更为明智,但我并没有密切关注意大利的发展。 有什么想法吗?

    从好的方面来说,反对移民的“意愿轴心”似乎包括这个新意大利。 https://global.handelsblatt.com/politics/axis-merkel-csu-cdu-seehofer-kurz-salvini-asylum-934938
    (地理上的哈斯堡轴,几乎)全球主义者与民族主义者。 现在这些是可以识别的身份组。

  110. @Ron Unz

    既然你提出了这个话题,为什么那些想要肯尼迪下台的所谓的深层国家特工没有用性丑闻袭击他? 当您可以在政治上摧毁肯尼迪并让他成为笑柄时,为什么要让他成为烈士(并冒着被处决的风险)?

    • 回复: @lysias
    , @Ron Unz
    , @MacNucc11
  111. Iris 说:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    “肯尼迪的头在向后移动之前确实向前移动了,无论拉瑟或其他人当时是否注意到。 (这既不否定也不证实阴谋,顺便说一句。)”

    总统的头先向前移动的事实将在很大程度上证实一个阴谋。
    如果驾驶豪华轿车的代理人踩下刹车,则头部会先前进。

    向汽车施加负加速度时的制动量。
    然而,负加速度不适用于车内的物体,它会一直向前直到被自身惯性停止。 (这是牛顿第二运动定律的简单应用)。

    因此,向前的头部可能表明司机正在刹车,以使总统成为更容易、更慢的目标,这反过来又会证实一个阴谋。

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Spud Boy
  112. zapruder电影中可以肯定的一件事:杰基没有参与其中。 她爬过行李箱——她会为此穿紧身裤而不是裙子。

  113. utu 说:

    肯尼迪与以色列的另一个冲突。 肯尼迪向本·古里安施压,要求让巴勒斯坦难民返回以色列。

    肯尼迪对回归权的坚持促使本-古里安改写历史:他们“出于自己的自由意志”逃离
    http://mondoweiss.net/2013/05/kennedys-insistence-prompted/

    “在约翰·F·肯尼迪就任美国总统后,要求部分巴勒斯坦难民返回的呼声越来越高。 在新总统的指导下,美国国务院试图迫使以色列允许数十万难民返回。 1949 年,以色列同意考虑允许约 100,000 名难民返回,以换取与阿拉伯国家的全面和平协议,但到 1960 年代初,就以色列而言,这已不再是议事日程。 以色列最多愿意讨论大约 20,000-30,000 名难民的返回。”

    在肯尼迪越来越大的压力下,以及在联合国大会准备解决巴勒斯坦难民问题的过程中,本-古里安召开了一次关于这个主题的特别会议。

    本-古里安接着解释了以色列必须告诉世界的事情:“……这是他们自己的自由意志,因为他们被告知这个国家很快就会被征服,你将回归成为它的领主和主人,而不仅仅是回你们的家。” 1961 年,在本-古里安所说的需要“以书面形式和口头形式进行严肃行动”的背景下,希罗亚研究所被要求为政府收集关于“阿拉伯人从1948 年的以色列土地。”

  114. lysias 说:

    菲利普·纳尔逊 (Philip Nelson) 的两本关于 LBJ 的书提供了许多不利于这个人的证据,包括肯尼迪遇刺事件、自由号遇袭事件以及许多其他问题。

  115. lysias 说:
    @David In TN

    暗杀是公开处决。 数数的人应该明白发生了什么。 此举旨在恐吓任何可能想模仿肯尼迪的人。

  116. Alden 说:
    @TonyVodvarka

    我读过的其中一本书出版于 1990 年代后期。 所有的流浪汉都是有身份证明的年轻人。 这本书追踪了他们。 所有人都继续长期受雇,并有就业和税务记录。 一个和他姐姐住在一起。 另外两人拥有房产多年,并有房产税记录来证明这一点。 一个是城市建筑检查员。

    当然,作为中情局掩盖的一部分,作者可能一直在撒谎。

    • 回复: @TonyVodvarka
    , @Paw
  117. 像往常一样,所有迹象都指向以色列。 USS Liberty 和 Lavon Affair 给了他们,如果他们愿意攻击一艘美国船只,试图谋杀船上的每个人,毫无疑问,如果需要,他们会杀死 prez。 想象一下,如果他们成功击沉自由号并杀死所有人,我们永远不会知道。 犹太复国主义者以暗杀和假旗而闻名,他们威胁奥巴马,如果他越界,就暗杀他,所有这一切也使他们成为 9/11 的首要嫌疑人。 谁从 9/11 中受益? 当然不是穆斯林。 问问内塔尼亚胡就知道了。

    一旦你开始研究以色列/犹太复国主义者以及他们的谎言和谋杀历史,这一切都是有道理的。
    为什么今天仍然重要? 看看大厅对美国政治做了什么,国会屈从于 AIPAC 和其他 6 万犹太游说团体,想知道为什么美国会走下坡路? 如果对肯尼迪和 RFK 暗杀事件进行真正的调查,自由号航空母舰将永远不会发生,9/11 将被阻止,利比亚、叙利亚、伊拉克将被拯救,成千上万的基督徒被屠杀,所有的巴勒斯坦人都被谋杀和踢离开他们的土地。 所有被送去参加“新保守主义”战争的年轻美国人。 他们目前正在尽最大努力挑起真正的第三次世界大战,我们中没有多少人能够幸存下来。 为什么它仍然重要?
    这很重要! 如果你有孩子,你希望他们的未来比我们现在拥有的更好,而不是更糟,因为它会变得更糟,你最好开始关心,犹太复国主义者打算从以色列统治世界,它不会一个值得生活的世界。阴谋事实!

  118. @Wizard of Oz

    布什管理中央情报局,秘密管理伊朗反对派,就像知道并计划在 81 年暗杀里根,“对外交政策没有合理的想法”? 哈哈,好的,当然

  119. Ron Unz 说:

    在撰写我的文章时,我忘记提及 1946 年由未来的以色列总理梅纳赫姆·贝京和伊扎克·沙米尔领导的犹太复国主义团体显然计划暗杀英国外交大臣欧内斯特·贝文。 有一个来自《每日电讯报》2003 年文章的链接:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1430766/Jewish-groups-plotted-to-kill-Bevin.html

    有趣的是,英国政府文件还声称,大约在同一时间,一位名叫拉比科尔夫的美国犹太活动家计划对伦敦组织某种空中恐怖袭击。 科尔夫后来作为理查德尼克松总统在水门事件丑闻期间辞职前不久的非常高调的支持者而享有盛誉。

    • 回复: @Kiza
  120. @Si1ver1ock

    不幸的是,他们也发誓要保护以色列。 对不起。

  121. renfro 说:

    我有一段相对容易的时间来确保将其包含在我有争议的 HTML 书籍集合中的权利,现在我已经这样做了,从而使 Internet 上的每个人都可以方便地阅读整个文本并自行决定,同时轻松检查大量参考或搜索特定的单词或短语。

    太好了!-谢谢,以前没有读过这个。

  122. @Sean

    “我真的怀疑任何人,甚至美国副总统或中央情报局局长都有权下令对现任总统进行政治暗杀。”

    权威不是你要找的词。 根据您的观点,适当的术语是绝对主权或有罪不罚。 两千年前,前现代欧洲的日耳曼部落否定了美国国务卿以绝对生死攸关的条件正式定义主权。 全世界都鼓掌否定了这个观点,所以美国是一个倒退。

    在公认的法律中,主权就是责任。 但美国政府认为国家责任是胡说八道,而且一直这样做。 自二战以来,美国政府一直在孜孜不倦地破坏它。 美国竭尽全力确保其公民无法诉诸国家行为,无论是否合法。

    国会在《中央情报局法》、各种官僚漏洞和秘密机密法律借口中将绝对主权写入了国内法。 他们把它交给了中央情报局。 中央情报局的指挥结构行使的不是权威,而是类似于国王的神权,为了表面上的利益而作为国家机密隐藏起来。 因此,当您想象中央情报局会害怕杀死某个人时,您就会误解或歪曲政府官僚机构。 他们做他们想做的。 然后你就按照他们告诉你的去做,否则。

    • 回复: @Sean
  123. lysias 说:

    几乎可以肯定的是,让同谋者控制美国媒体所说的内容的是模仿鸟行动。 那是(是?)中央情报局的行动。

  124. utu 说:

    这是 Mondoweiss 的一位评论者,他提到了许多与以色列有关的暗杀事件。

    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/president-inspections-facility/
    七月28,2015,3:40上午

    在犹太复国主义运动和以色列的案例中,我们所拥有的是一个谋杀、大规模谋杀和恐怖的连环肇事者的模式。 这是公认的事实。 这种模式早在以色列建立之前就开始了,例如,参见 30 年 6 月 1924 日 Jacob Israël de Haan 被谋杀或 22 年 7 月 1946 日大卫王酒店爆炸案。 这种凶残的模式在以色列成立后继续存在,例如早期的 Folke Bernadotte 于 17 年 9 月 1948 日被谋杀,然后根据 Moshe Sharett 的个人日记阅读“以色列的神圣恐怖主义”:

    https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/essays/rokach.html

    自犹太复国主义的早期以来,已经有很多经过证实的犹太复国主义者和以色列国家赞助的谋杀案,以至于很难继续追踪所有这些谋杀案。 以色列的凶残行为一直持续到最近,例如 25/9/1997 暗杀 Khaled Mashal、12 年 2 月 2008 日杀害 Imad Mughniyah 的汽车炸弹、谋杀准将 Mohammed Suleiman 1 年 8 月 2008 日(最近才被美国文件证明是以色列的工作)、19 年 1 月 2010 日暗杀 Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh 或最近对伊朗科学家的连环谋杀。

    Jacob Israël de Haan 被谋杀证明犹太复国主义运动也针对犹太人。 这不是一个单一的案例。 Naeim Giladi 在他的书《本-古里安的丑闻:哈加纳和摩萨德如何消灭犹太人》中详细描述了他作为犹太复国主义者在代表以色列攻击伊拉克犹太人方面所扮演的角色。 我们还从苏珊娜行动和击沉自由号航空母舰的尝试中了解到,以色列过去也曾袭击过美国的目标。

    一般来说,我会说以色列的谋杀和恐怖活动分为两种动机类别:以色列实施国家支持的谋杀以摆脱真实的或感知的敌人,如 Khaled Mashal 或 Imad Mughniyah,或者被认为对以色列利益有害的人,如 Folke Bernadotte,或以色列犯下的罪行意图将罪行归咎于他人的恐怖和谋杀行为,即实施“假旗行动”,就像攻击伊拉克犹太人或苏珊娜行动的情况一样。 以色列假旗行动的一个常规动机是动员美国与以色列的真实或假想的敌人作战,即发动以美国为首的侵略战争,为以色列服务。 AIPAC/WINEP 特工公开谈论在以色列想要开始的战争中使用此类“选项”:

    以色列确保错误指责的典型方法是伪造信号情报。 维克多·奥斯特洛夫斯基 (Victor Ostrovsky) 写道,摩萨德 (Mossad) 在他那个时代,用摩萨德 (Mossad) 在利比亚放置的无线电信号箱为此错误地指责利比亚是恐怖活动。 在古塔化学假旗恐怖袭击事件中,以色列只是简单地向美国提供了伪造的信号情报,基本上是对奥巴马说:现在你必须开战,因为我们在此证明叙利亚越过了你的化学红线。

    所以,现在有趣的事情来了。 尽管有以色列连环谋杀、恐怖和假旗恐怖袭击同样针对敌人和朋友、恐怖分子和无辜者、阿拉伯人和西方人、穆斯林、基督徒和犹太人、叙利亚人和美国人的完整记录,以及以色列犯罪的明确动机,但仍然存在谈论和调查以色列可能赞助肯尼迪谋杀案和 9/11 是一个很大的禁忌。 谈论这个甚至被认为是反犹太主义的。

  125. @Alden

    问题是,人们必须考虑到兰斯代尔将军在他们中间的明显存在,他不是无足轻重的人物。 如果他们的存在是良性的,那有点不太可能。

    • 回复: @Alden
  126. @utu

    呼吁暗杀奥巴马的《亚特兰大犹太时报》主编究竟说了些什么? 我找不到原文,但这是大西洋中的引述

    这是原文:
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/284979-ajt.html

    • 回复: @utu
  127. Anon[425]• 免责声明 说:

    斯托雷平

    沙皇尼古拉斯

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Bogrov

    博格罗夫和奥斯瓦尔德一样,各方面都打得很好。

    肯尼迪被同类人杀死?

  128. @A Libertarian

    罗恩·恩兹(Ron Unz)

    最近在墨西哥竞选美国参议院席位。

    它的结局并不好。 我猜测

    他不会寻求另一个选举职位,无论如何,

    有更重要的工作要做。

    • 哈哈: Rurik
  129. @Carlton Meyer

    我认为“新保守派”试图在 12 年 2000 月 XNUMX 日在克林顿的领导下发动战争,科尔号航空母舰在也门亚丁港加油,他们也将这归咎于基地组织。
    听起来很像 USS Liberty 是吧? 同样的人,同样的故事……
    我猜即使在 ((((Lewinsky))) 性勒索和对科尔号航空母舰的假旗攻击之后,克林顿也拒绝同意。所以他们知道他们必须让共和党人上任,这就是为什么对那次选举如此大惊小怪的原因,还应该告诉你最高法院的立场……
    9/11,世贸中心计划,拆除索具,可能是在科尔号航空母舰假旗后不久开始的。
    当你开始思考它时,这一切都会加起来。
    我不怀疑约翰逊发挥了巨大的作用,他显然做到了,我也相信中央情报局的一些人在军事/MIC,甚至华尔街/银行,大石油中发挥了作用,这就是它成为阴谋!
    但我认为首领是以色列/犹太复国主义者的利益,以及他们统治世界的计划。

    肯尼迪——杀死他的演讲

  130. prusmc 说: • 您的网站
    @nickels

    当吴庭获杀时,我以为肯尼迪是总统?

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Hu Mi Yu
    , @James Kabala
  131. @utu

    哦哦,谢谢发帖! 很有意思。

    不要真的相信他的论点,即奥斯瓦尔德自 1957 年以来就是一个走狗,这清楚地表明这是一个由美国主导的阴谋。 中央情报局有很多走狗。 此外,肯尼迪在 1957 年还没有对中央情报局构成威胁。

    沙米什先生很高兴说派珀不是反犹太主义者,也没有那种偏见。 不过,查米什先生的犹太复国主义偏见不可避免地会大放异彩。 这句话,例如:

    “但我对派珀持相反的看法:我的研究表明美国腐败了以色列,而不是相反。”

    不管你说什么,查米什先生!

    • 回复: @Mike Gerrett
  132. @Anonymous

    我同意。

    已故的哈罗德·韦斯伯格 (Harold Weisberg) 曾经告诉过我完全相同的事情:准确地弄清楚谁在 11 年 22 月 63 日晚上控制了贝塞斯达海军医院的尸检,是揭开掩盖真相的关键。

    美国军事当局负责这件事并做出每一个该死的决定。 (不是 RFK 或杰奎琳肯尼迪。)

    该死的,有可信的、具有挑衅性的和有说服力的证据,这个数字不亚于传奇的美国空军参谋长柯蒂斯·勒梅飞到贝塞斯达并在指导尸检中发挥了重要作用。

    周日早上鲁比拍摄了“奥斯瓦尔德”之后重新编写了(可疑的未注明日期的)尸检报告,原始的“草稿笔记”被烧毁。 然后对手写版本进行了非常重大的修改,其中最臭名昭著的就是原来的措辞,即肯尼迪的脖子上有一个“穿刺”伤口——这意味着从正面开枪! – 在打字版本中更改为“小得多”。

    这些改变并不是因为休姆斯、博斯韦尔和芬克要求他们这样做。 这些变化是在军方高层的要求下完成的,原因只有他们自己知道。

    尸检是掩盖真相的开始,尸检由美军控制。

    顺便说一句,LeMay 是“博士”中巴克·特吉德森将军的灵感来源。 奇异之爱”。

    • 回复: @Dube
    , @Carroll Price
    , @tac
    , @Alden
  133. Ivan 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    那为什么要杀他奥兹? 在他获释的那天,他几乎是真的被打死了。 他是施潘道唯一的囚犯,戈尔巴乔夫一直想释放他。 这个人有一些他带进坟墓的秘密。

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  134. @Alden

    Kellogg, Brown & Root 是一家总部位于德克萨斯州的国防承包商,在越南赚了大钱。

  135. renfro 说:

    回复:自由号

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/uss-liberty/
    条目分类为“自由号”

    “看来,英国人贝尔菲尔德已经通过 FOIA 获得了以色列人之间关于袭击自由号航空母舰的飞行谈话录音。 我在下面引用的帖子中写道,我阅读了 0 年春季 1968f 的抄本,这些抄本的材料完全相同。 这似乎与 NSA 现在发布的材料相同。 .
    pl

    ”我在下面引用了我在 2010 年写的 Athenaeum 帖子,标题是“我对自由号航空母舰的了解。

    2007 年 XNUMX 月重新出版的“我对自由号航空母舰的了解”

    吉姆·恩内斯 (Jim Ennes) 是自由号航空母舰上的值班常备军官,他要求我提供一份声明,说明我对以色列对话和这艘船的记录的了解。 这是我发给他的。 周一,《芝加哥论坛报》和《巴尔的摩太阳报》引用了我的话。 pl
    (19 年 2017 月 XNUMX 日,星期三)我重新发布了这篇文章,因为人们写信给我说,在最近的《国土报》文章之前,这些成绩单并未发布。 pl
    ---------------
    “亲爱的吉姆

    我是 Ft. 军事情报官高级课程的学生。 1967-1968 年,马里兰州(巴尔的摩)霍拉伯德。 课程持续了大约十个月。 我们学生被要求从一个提供的小组中选修几门选修课,我修了一门密码学课程。 这是由附近 Ft 的 NSA 学校的人教授的。 米德。 这门课程是在 1967-1968 年的冬天或早春讲授的。 有几个子课程,其中之一与语音拦截有关。 在此过程中,讲师介绍了 Ft. 制作的一本小册子。 米德作为课程材料。 它包含各种课程材料。 其中包括在袭击自由号之前和期间以色列罢工指挥官与其基地之间的无线电对话的翻译截取记录。 教官、一名退休的密码学准尉或 NCO 将成绩单确认为自由事件。 小册子上也是这么标注的。

    在记录中,飞行负责人与他的基地交谈,报告说他看到了这艘船,这就是他得到简报的那艘船,并且清楚地标有美国国旗。 我想他说这艘船在上层甲板上挂着美国国旗,但我的记忆可能不准确。 他要求确认他攻击这艘船的命令,并且似乎不愿意(可以理解)攻击这艘船。 他不止一次询问,并被告知执行他的命令并攻击这艘船。

    还有一些关于船舶损坏的进一步讨论。

    这就是我记得的全部。

    问候

    帕特里克·朗(W. Patrick Lang)
    美国陆军上校(退役)”

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/printedition/tuesday/chi-liberty_tuesoct02,0,1050179.story

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/the_athenaeum/2007/10/what-i-know-abo.html

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/07/httpwwwhaaretzcomus-news1800584.html

    BBC关于此事的纪录片是“死在水中”……https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjOH1XMAwZA

    贝尔菲尔德的电影“以色列袭击美国的那一天”......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RE4hMlB9ZU

    https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/specialseries/2014/10/day-israel-attacked-america-20141028144946266462.html

    对自由号幸存者的广泛采访——屡获殊荣的英国电影制片人理查德·贝尔菲尔德获得的录音带证明了每一位自由号幸存者、前国务卿迪恩·拉斯克和前参谋长联席会议主席托马斯·穆勒上将一直说的:以色列故意袭击美国船只。 计划是将其击沉,归咎于埃及,并将美国拖入以色列方面的六日战争,但自由号船员在与舰船损坏战斗中的英勇行为(通常是在受伤时)阻止了它的沉没。 这些录音带在电影制片人理查德·贝尔菲尔德的《以色列袭击美国的那一天》中出现,他之前的制作作品包括国家地理电视和探索频道。”

    你可以在这里阅读一些以色列无线电传输的录音带......https://archive.org/stream/CopyOfUSSLibertyCard2/Jerusalem%20Post%20confirms%20Israel%20knew%20USS%20Liberty%20was%20American-7_djvu.txt

  136. Ron Unz 说:

    派博这本书的一个重要方面是,他对以色列和摩萨德的压倒性关注为我在许多“阴谋家”中注意到的中央情报局中心主义提供了一个非常有用的纠正,他们似乎相信中央情报局是某种无所不能的控制力。

    例如,在附录六中,派博暗示摩萨德可能暗杀了前中央情报局局长威廉科尔比,以及另一位前中央情报局高级官员约翰佩斯利:

    https://www.unz.com/book/michael_collins_piper__final-judgment/#appendix-six-retribution

    我当然对这些案件知之甚少,无法发表评论,但 NSA 据说也是一个非常强大的情报组织,在自由袭击期间,许多 NSA 人员被杀或受伤,绝对没有明显的后果。 如果中央情报局的高级人员偶尔也可以相对而不受惩罚地被杀害,那么也许那个组织也不是那么全能。

    此外,派珀的主要论点之一是,至少在 1960 年代,长期担任中央情报局反情报主管的詹姆斯·安格尔顿实际上已成为摩萨德的情报资产,他似乎提供了大量支持这一观点的间接证据。 因此,他指出安格尔顿可能是中央情报局人物,他带头参与了肯尼迪暗杀事件。

    我的 HTML Book 软件的一个好处是它允许对相关书籍进行全文搜索,由电子邮件按钮旁边的小搜索图标控制。 或者您可以使用此链接:

    https://www.unz.com/book/michael_collins_piper__final-judgment/?search=angleton+and+mossad

  137. Ivan 说:
    @Hollywood mark

    仅仅因为 Unz 可能是“一个自恨的犹太人”并不意味着他一定是不正确的。 事实上,“自我憎恨”品种比犹太品种在说真话、疣等方面的记录要好得多。

    • 回复: @Paw
  138. Iris 说:
    @Ron Unz

    “..我在这么多‘阴谋论者’中注意到了中央情报局中心主义,他们似乎相信中央情报局是某种无所不能的控制力量。”

    中央情报局也是 9/11 之后“容易”和“明显”的罪魁祸首。 它受到了“勇敢”媒体的大量批评,当时的导演乔治·特内特几乎被迫辞职。

    后来事实证明,中央情报局之前曾就恐怖袭击的风险增加向 G. Bush 发出警告,但拉姆斯菲尔德和 NeoCons 驳回了他们的警告,他们从来没有因为任何事情受到指责。

    这确实显示了谁在食物链的上游。

  139. @Ivan

    被打死? 你的意思是说一个 93 岁的职业凶手无法正确地进行绞刑(但仍然设法将其报告为绞刑)?

    你依赖他儿子的版本吗
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_R%C3%BCdiger_Hess?wprov=sfla1

    据此,他的版本因参考已打开的档案而被反驳,这些档案早在戈尔巴乔夫改变苏联抵抗之前就已被英国以人道主义为由支持释放。 无论如何,任何对英国有所了解的人都会知道 Hess 进行新披露的前景 *任何事物* 93 年 1987 岁会打个大哈欠。

    • 回复: @Ivan
  140. Sam J. 说:
    @j2

    “……那么,谁能在媒体上隐瞒?……”

    我同意。 这确实是整个问题的根源。 除了犹太人,没有人有更多动机或有能力掩盖这一点。 中央情报局和犹太人杀害了肯尼迪。

  141. Achilles 说:

    1957 年左右,杰克鲁比从加尔维斯顿湾向古巴的菲德尔卡斯特罗游击队运送枪支和弹药,达拉斯夜总会老板的前扑克伙伴周四告诉新闻。

    James E. Beaird 说他一直等到 1966 年,也就是约翰·F·肯尼迪总统被暗杀三年后,“没有任何消息出来,所以我打电话给他们(FBI)只是为了找出原因......我很好奇。 然而,他们认为再跟我提这件事都不合适,所以我从来没有听说过他们公开过任何事情。”

    比尔德说,联邦调查局终于“在 1976 年派了一个人出去。我不知道他们当时为什么这样做。”

    ……在1976年采访Beaird的FBI特工在他的报告中没有提到Beaird自愿向1966年的Ruby枪杀有关情报。外国关系,他(Beaird)认为最好不要提及他对凯马(休斯顿东南加尔维斯顿湾)的杰克鲁比的了解。”

    沃伦委员会于 1964 年调查了许多关于鲁比持枪的指控,但得出结论认为不存在任何事实信息。

    比尔德告诉联邦调查局,他“亲眼看到许多箱新枪,包括自动步枪和手枪”,存放在凯马海峡附近的一栋两层楼房子里,装在一艘看起来像 2 英尺长的过剩军船上。

    联邦调查局的报告说:“他每次说船上带着枪支和弹药离开时,杰克·鲁比就在船上。”

    比尔德从 1955 年到 1957 年在休斯顿担任汽车经销商,他说鲁比“是为了钱。 哪一边都无所谓,只要给他最多的钱……我什至不知道这艘船属于谁。 但他在指挥它。 每次去他都出去。 这是在那里(在古巴)遇到了一个联系,这就是我所听到的。”

    比尔德说,Ruby 会出现在凯马,通常是在周末,打扑克,“只是在船装载之前消磨时间”,而且通常不会超过一两个小时。

    “当我在那里时,他们至少装载了两次,”be 说。 “皮卡车会把它从房子里运到这艘船上。”

    到 1959 年,卡斯特罗控制了古巴,鲁比开始改变立场,因为卡斯特罗威胁要强迫黑手党支持的职业赌徒离开哈瓦那的赌场。

    达拉斯晨报,18 年 1978 月 XNUMX 日

    Ruby 与达拉斯的残余古巴人的分裂团体有什么联系? 他是在卖枪吗? 他是在雇佣他们做零工吗? 他是否通过与这些古巴人的关系听说过疯狂的暴力共产主义盎格鲁奥斯瓦尔德?

    [更多]

    在菲德尔·卡斯特罗上台的革命之后不久,这些以色列山羊在古巴做什么? 事实证明,卡斯特罗已经注意到以色列山羊,并在两国于 1960 年建立外交关系后等待机会品尝它们的牛奶。

    “菲德尔认为以色列有山羊能像奶牛一样产奶,”在古巴驻以色列大使馆工作的克拉丽塔·马尔希 (Clarita Malhi) 回忆道。 “他对以色列在农业领域取得的技术进步非常着迷。”

    古巴驻以色列大使是一位名叫里卡多·沃尔夫(西班牙语为 Ricardo Subirana y Lobo)的犹太百万富翁革命家,他决定实现将他派往以色列的老板的梦想。 大使去寻找“像奶牛一样产奶”并且可以远渡大洋的山羊。

    Yitzhak Zilber 是一名古巴犹太人,同时也是 Kibbutz Gaash 的成员,他被选中执行这项任务。 89 岁的 Zilber 发送了 Haaretz 的照片,照片中他和他发现的山羊一起在机场等飞机并在古巴旅行。

    ……最终,当找到执行任务的山羊时,它们被带到机场,等待空运到古巴的那一刻。 一架 El Al 飞机从古巴降落在以色列,来自古巴犹太社区的新移民决定逃离卡斯特罗的革命。 它们是一项协议的一部分,根据该协议,古巴有效地将移民换成了山羊。

    …《国土报》档案包含一条信息,可以支持关于卡斯特罗和他的以色列山羊的故事。 1961年XNUMX月的一篇文章报道说,以色列农业部派了一名专家到古巴帮助古巴人改进山羊养殖。

    …沃尔夫出生在德国,1920 年代移居古巴,成为卡斯特罗的亲密伙伴。 作为一个富有的实业家,他捐出了一大笔钱来资助革命。 后来他礼貌地拒绝了内阁职位的提议,但要求卡斯特罗任命他为驻以色列大使。 卡斯特罗同意了,沃尔夫于 1960 年作为古巴第一位——也是唯一一位——大使来到这个国家。 涉及山羊和新移民的贸易由沃尔夫亲自资助。

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-jews-for-goats-castro-s-secret-deal-with-israel-1.5475376

    '从来没有这样。 古巴不仅在 1949 年与新生的以色列建立了关系,而且卡斯特罗还在 1960 年派遣了一位重要的支持者里卡多·沃尔夫 (Ricardo Wolf) 作为他的驻以色列大使。

    德沃林说,沃尔夫作为金属行业的先驱而发家致富,他帮助购买了格兰玛游艇,这是一艘为 12 人建造的客舱巡洋舰,于 80 年将卡斯特罗兄弟、切和其他 1956 名革命者从墨西哥运送到古巴——在最终推翻巴蒂斯塔的航行中。

    “我能做什么来回报你?” 卡斯特罗一旦掌权,就在德沃林的讲述中问沃尔夫。 “我想成为驻以色列大使,”他回答说。

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/when-our-woman-in-havana-asked-fidel-castro-to-the-synagogue-hanukkah-party/

    古巴犹太人和卡斯特罗的支持者里卡多·苏比拉纳·伊·洛博(Ricardo Subirana Y Lobo)是卡斯特罗和摩萨德之间的桥梁吗? 卡斯特罗最初邀请沃尔夫担任共产党政府的财政部长一职,但沃尔夫更愿意担任驻以色列大使。

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  142. Ivan 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    非常抱歉,我应该更加小心。 为错误道歉。 但我的观点仍然成立。 年轻的赫斯是一个孝顺的儿子,长期以来一直要求释放父亲。 鲁道夫·赫斯为什么要在获释当天自杀? 我相信 Rudiger Hess 使用的先例是阿尔伯特·斯佩尔(Albert Speer)的早期发布,他是纳粹战争机器的实际协调者。 是的,我同意赫斯所说的任何话都会让大多数人“打哈欠”,但总有其他人。

  143. Alden 说:
    @Iris

    JFK 的头向前移动的事实证明他的头向前移动。

    侦探Levelle穿白色西装的事实证明他穿着白色西装。

    司机听到枪声和尖叫声就刹车的事实证明,他听到枪声就刹车了。

  144. @Alden

    上面文章中 Ron Unz 的版本与您正在回复的版本不同,如果 Ron 不只是处于 Dan Brown 模式,则不能漫不经心地忽略这些差异。

    罗恩让约翰逊回忆起为保护自由号免受袭击者而发射的飞机——这可能是有一点运气的——但是,虽然没有讨论,但可能与美国有关,在相关层面上,已经得到保证,以色列人已经非常震惊并且正在处理这个令人震惊的错误。 您正在回复的帐户是 Macnamara 订购了核武装飞机,这显然与送走以色列战斗机和炮艇无关。

    你有资源来解决这个难题吗?

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  145. Dube 说:
    @Paul Jolliffe

    [Paul Jolliffe]:“尸检是掩盖的开始,尸检是由美国军方控制的。”

    很好地指出。

    • 回复: @Laurent Guyénot
  146. Kiza 说:
    @Ron Unz

    你好罗恩,我发现你关于在孤独枪手官方故事的信仰中成长的评论很有趣。 我在一个不属于苏联地区的共产主义国家长大,我在相信官方故事中长大 中央情报局是肯尼迪遇刺的罪魁祸首 虽然没有直接提到LBJ。 我也有兴趣了解东部街区内的官方故事是什么。

    直到今天,我不得不承认,这个官方故事实际上非常接近事实。 多年后,即使在阅读了您的高质量文章之后,我还是倾向于相信 LBJ 参与了很多,但在距离上,中央情报局已经完成了所有的基础工作,摩萨德可能提供了协助,奥斯瓦尔德甚至没有开枪,更不用说杀死任何人。

    为什么当地信仰是相关的? 好吧,因为杀死肯尼迪的人试图将责任归咎于共产主义者,即苏联和古巴的共产党人。 在这种情况下我所相信的证明了那句老话 奥迪改制党 – 在你听到双方之前不要形成任何信念。 这几乎适用于所有奇怪的历史事件。 历史地理意识形态距离 对我们成长的信念产生了很大的影响。

    接下来,罪魁祸首可能会反映在 911 事件中,以色列人完成了大部分的基础工作,而双重公民和他们控制的美国机构发挥了支持和推动作用。

    显然,911 的后勤使肯尼迪遇刺事件的后勤相形见绌,但这是同一个团队,不同的时代,不同的侧重点。 行为变得更加自信和厚颜无耻。

    • 回复: @Jeff Stryker
  147. Ron Unz 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    您正在回复的帐户是 Macnamara 订购了核武装飞机,这显然与送走以色列战斗机和炮艇无关。

    被广泛报道的更“主流”的说法是,美国喷气机中队两次被派往拯救自由号,然后根据华盛顿的高层指示两次召回

    有时我在互联网上看到另一个说法,约翰逊和以色列人策划了一个计划,让后者沉没 自由 全力以赴,之后约翰逊将袭击归咎于埃及,并对开罗发动核袭击以进行报复。 坦白说,我觉得这个场景 *异常* 难以置信,除非有人提供可靠的消息来源,否则我只会驳回它。 我所说的“可靠来源”不仅仅是指某个人在某本书的某处发表声明。

    • 同意: Wizard of Oz
  148. 有人试图杀死总统是正常的。 JFK 的每一个场景都是不可能的。 与 USS Liberty 事件相比,确凿的证据是微不足道的。

    罗恩让我们没有防御工事,我们可能希望通过证明有不止一个蓄意射手和/或肯尼迪被前线的子弹击中和/或 RFK 没有被 Sirhan Sirhan 的子弹杀死. 并不是 Ruby 说(如果他这样做了)他为以色列做这件事并不是一个有趣的细节(尽管这可能只是意味着有人告诉他他需要杀死 Oswald 以阻止与以色列的联系为人所知——尽管为什么 Ruby 会然后说任何关于以色列的事情都需要解释)。 但是 Ruby 并没有给我们提供确凿的证据来让我们超越 Oswald 和一些模糊的古巴联系。

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  149. @Kiza

    肯尼迪试图干预卡斯特罗可能是原因——据记载,他通过中央情报局接触意大利黑手党的主要成员以暗杀他,因为他们的想法是意大利人希望收回他们在古巴的利益。 意大利人拒绝了。

    肯尼迪还与意大利黑手党签订了一项协议,如果他们共同选择联盟,意大利美国人,东西投票箱,以便获得肯尼迪选举的肯尼迪选出 - 立即追求的黑手党,特别是男手道,特别是男手道,特别是他'd KNOWN who helped Kennedy get elected.

    肯尼迪还下令处死一名与黑帮有联系的棒球运动员的前妻女演员玛丽莲梦露。 这个人本身就是腐败、肮脏、不道德的。

    最后,Ruby 为芝加哥黑帮工作,而 Oswald 本人则像无处可去的失败者那样在他们的脱衣舞俱乐部闲逛。

    美国人无法正视这样一个事实,即肯尼迪与他的家人一直与之做生意的意大利黑手党进行了肮脏的交易,他们仅仅因为违背了幕后的承诺而杀害了肯尼迪。

    • 回复: @Kiza
    , @MacNucc11
    , @Skeptikal
  150. Paw 说:
    @Ivan

    Kosher Mafia Rubinstein 的参与行为确实响亮而清晰。

    • 回复: @ivan
  151. 嗯,那篇文章真是一个惊喜!

    我当然同意约翰逊。 他的情妇的一份声明告诉我,他在一天前就确定了这一点。 他可能知道有什么事情在进行中,但那天他发表了一个非常爆炸性的声明:“明天之后……”

    他的工作是掩饰:移走尸体并干预法医,从他们手中夺走本应由达拉斯地区进行的谋杀调查,并将其交到一群妥协或腐败的政治任命者。

    至于派珀的论文:哇。 值得一看。 谢谢 Unz 先生。

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  152. Sparkon 说:

    代理记录:

    • JFK 没有命令特勤局关闭达拉斯豪华轿车。
    • 肯尼迪从未下令关闭安全装置或拆除泡泡顶。
    • 总统安保神秘地“被剥夺”并……因致命车队而受到威胁。
    • 特勤局无视记录在案的威胁的预先警告。

    特勤局特工在 1963 年德克萨斯之行的计划阶段以及 22 年 1963 月 XNUMX 日在达拉斯车队中的可疑作为和不作为,迫切需要解释。

    多亏了前特勤局特工的勇气,他们说出了事实真相,声名狼藉的沃伦委员会暗杀理论的捍卫者不再可以指责肯尼迪参与谋杀。 一个事实仍然很清楚:肯尼迪总统并没有通过命令他的卫兵下台来决定自己的命运。

    该命令起源于别处。

    http://www.jfklancer.com/LNE/limo.html

    • 同意: ians
    • 回复: @tac
  153. Paw 说:
    @Alden

    托尼,请注意引导他们的不寻常的“达拉斯警察”! 也。 没有逮捕他们。

  154. Paw 说:
    @Desert Fox

    以上所有,就像 9/11 一样,是大权在握,深层政府有。 成千上万的人看到了这一切。然而,他们什么都不知道,什么也没有看到。 !!

  155. @Bardon Kaldian

    你提示我记录一些对未来发展的想法。 什么先于革命和企图革命? 大多数活跃的人(年龄分布必须是显着的)通过一些推动变革的想法团结起来。 因此,当马克思和其他人提供意识形态燃料时,其基本思想是“我们比实际需要的要贫穷得多,而其他人拒绝为我们提供治疗”。 巨大的繁殖率是其中的一部分。

    我想知道当物质上的舒适建立起来时,今天在西方世界会发现什么。 也许美国的不平等,而国家财富被浪费在战争上,就足以再造一个危险的左派???? 在欧洲,问题会有所不同,尽管在移民问题上是显而易见的。

    • 回复: @Dillon Sweeny
  156. @gsjackson

    LBJ 在肯尼迪遇刺事件中扮演的角色与乔治·布什在 9/11 假旗袭击中扮演的角色大致相同。 也就是说,当事件发生时,双方都会得到通知,并发布关于如何行动、说什么和不说什么的指示。两个人都没有足够的智慧或专业知识在什么事情上发挥任何积极的作用(比如 9 /11) 是一次专业的摩萨德行动

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
    , @Laurent Guyénot
  157. Sam J. 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “……最困扰西方和美国的是什么(种族替代、PC“自由”意识形态枪口、享乐主义空虚和生物崩溃表现为不孕症、病态利他主义、疯狂的意识形态时尚,如第 n 次女权主义浪潮、媒体侵略促进“多样性”和同性恋——与同性恋不同,对欧洲和西方文化的自我憎恨……”

    那么谁是主要的推广者? 我们知道。 这并不难。 这已经是 70,80 年了,也许是 100 年了。

    “……所以,我们不应该放弃希望,我们这些痴迷于犹太人的人,应该放弃这个疲惫的老栗子……”

    我同意我们不应该放弃希望,但犹太人必须离开。 我们需要摆脱它们。 一个简单的比喻,如果有人从背后刺你,你就不用担心街上的那个人以后可能会刺伤你。 你首先要对付在背后捅你一刀的那个人。 与犹太人打交道,摆脱他们,是走向复兴的第一步。 我们可能有其他问题与犹太人的问题无关,他们正在加剧我们的所有问题。

    我会和犹太人一起做他们想做的任何事,但据我所知,如果没有几乎内战级别的持续破坏,就不可能在你的国家拥有他们。 100% 处理他们的唯一方法是驱逐他们。 这每次都有效。 我们只需要确保他们这次永远不会回来。

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  158. @lysias

    哈哈。 从那以后,几乎每一位民主党总统候选人都在“模仿肯尼迪”。

    • 回复: @gsjackson
  159. @Ron Unz

    罗恩,我认为尽管您对书籍作者可能避免认为 LBJ 有罪的原因进行了敏锐的分析,但您可能无法想象到大多数每天在 MSM 工作的人的脑海中。 他们努力工作,无论是否有署名,都是为了让他们的工作因其媒体的销售额和自身的进步而受到关注。 容易获得的新消息是最好的。 因此,请考虑肯尼迪的业务如何打击他们。 “天哪,这不是另一本书。 我最好注意到它,但请不要让我每晚都花两周时间阅读最新的文学作品,包括疯子”。 然后他们不禁注意到拥有更多资源的人实际上已经在历史频道或其他任何地方跟进了肯尼迪的暗杀理论。 (男男性接触者?)

    • 回复: @skrik
  160. @Wizard of Oz

    让我补充一点,希望有人在证人死亡的精算数学方面做得很好(也有判断力——精算师应该注意重要的事实)。 如果确实有很多目击者被击倒,那显然会比其他方向更多地指向某些方向。

    • 回复: @Dillon Sweeny
  161. @Sean

    如果我可以这样说的话,在适当尊重细节的情况下表达了有用的想法。

  162. Alden 说:
    @TonyVodvarka

    兰斯代尔不是三个流浪汉之一。

    • 回复: @TonyVodvarka
  163. renfro 说:
    @Ron Unz

    我当然对这些案件了解得不够多,无法发表评论,但 NSA 据说也是一个非常强大的情报组织,在自由袭击期间,许多 NSA 人员被杀或受伤,绝对没有明显的后果

    以色列永远不会有任何后果。 甚至在下面的案例中,摩萨德冒充中央情报局特工并伪造美国护照,以招募恐怖分子在伊朗和其他地方进行爆炸和暗杀。
    问题是摩萨德甚至不是特别熟练,但他们很“厚颜无耻”,因为他们总是可以打出犹太人的牌来逃避任何惩罚,至少受到美国的惩罚……而且这种对不管斯科特自由的厚颜无耻的依赖使他们大多成功。 特朗普发表声明,大意是他可以在街上射杀某人并逃脱——以色列人也有同样的信念。
    伪装成美国人是犹太复国主义者的一个习惯——他们在 1948 年伪装成美国官员,访问国家威胁他们,如果他们不投票支持分割巴勒斯坦以创建以色列,美国将对他们采取可怕的行动。 当那些国家要求澄清的电话开始进入 WH 和国务院时,杜鲁门得到了风声,但杜鲁门对此没有采取任何措施。

    中央情报局的一系列备忘录描述了以色列摩萨德特工如何冒充美国间谍招募恐怖组织真主党成员,以与伊朗进行秘密战争。
    马克·佩里
    | 13 年 2012 月 3 日下午 13:XNUMX

    “在美国情报部门的档案中深埋着一系列备忘录,这些备忘录是在乔治·W·布什总统执政的最后几年写的,描述了以色列摩萨德军官如何通过冒充美国特工招募属于恐怖组织真主党的特工. 根据两名美国情报官员的说法,以色列人手上拿着美元和美国护照,冒充中央情报局官员招募真主党特工——这通常被称为“假旗”行动。
    正如消息人士所描述的,备忘录调查并揭穿了 2007 年和 2008 年指控中央情报局在白宫指示下暗中支持朱达拉的报道,其中一人已阅读,另一人对案件非常熟悉。位于巴基斯坦的逊尼派极端组织。 根据美国政府和公布的报告,Jundallah 负责暗杀伊朗政府官员并杀害伊朗妇女和儿童。
    但是,根据两位情报官员的说法,尽管备忘录显示美国甚至禁止与君达拉最偶然的接触,但以色列的摩萨德并非如此。 备忘录还详细描述了中央情报局的实地报告,称以色列的招募活动是在美国情报官员的眼皮子下进行的,最引人注目的是在以色列表面上的盟友之一的首都伦敦,摩萨德官员冒充中央情报局特工会见了君达拉官员。
    官员们不知道以色列招募和使用 Jundallah 的计划是否正在进行中。 然而,他们对摩萨德的无耻行为感到震惊。
    “令人惊讶的是,以色列人认为他们可以逃脱,”情报官员说。 ”

    继续……http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/01/13/false-flag/

    • 同意: Iris
  164. @Sam J.

    谁应该被视为纽伦堡法律的犹太人?

  165. ohmy 说:

    你花了一段时间才找到以色列人,但是,你到了那里。 正如你所说,关于肯尼迪遇刺事件已经写了很多,但直到最近才认真提出以色列的理论。 以色列有动机,迪莫纳的核机密秘密,这足以让他们杀死肯尼迪。 然而,我的钱是中央银行家作为主要罪犯。 没有人能从银行家的愤怒中幸存下来。 那些尝试过的人的名单可以追溯到耶稣基督,肯尼迪在授权印刷银票时证明他不是美联储的朋友,他就像死了一样。 可以说,伦敦银行家与强硬的以色列民族主义者密切合作以完成工作,因为以色列有能力,而约翰逊。 无论哪种方式,都是部落。 现在有一些关注他们是杀手,我们突然看到原来的误导又复活了; 芝加哥的山姆吉安卡纳和意大利的暴民做了牛屎角。 这总是一个死胡同。 意大利人讨厌的一件事是聚光灯。 不,不是他们。
    当很明显 RFK 有很好的机会赢得 68 次选举时,就轮到他了。 但是,这还没有结束,甚至还没有结束。 肯尼迪参议员和查帕奎迪克的故事还没有写完,当小罗伯特的杂志“乔治”即将发表关于他父亲谋杀案的调查文章时,他的飞机潜入大西洋。 奇怪的是它是如何工作的。 节拍还在继续。

  166. @Backwoods Bob

    请带我们了解非常狡猾和多疑的约翰逊,因为他仔细考虑了如何避免被牵连。 难的? 看不出他在干涉法医检查和验尸等工作,因此许多人的异常无能或粗心,从表面上看,不能合理地归咎于他。

  167. renfro 说:

    回复:约翰逊

    我现在的想法是,约翰逊可能“怀疑”了一些事情,可能从他与某些人的谈话中推断出一些事情,或者根据他之前听到的一些事情,在谋杀案发生后,灯泡继续亮起……甚至如果他没有直接参与。

    在阅读了他在那段时间的日记和电话交谈后,我开始考虑这个问题。

    他们揭示了什么:

    *约翰逊实际上根本不想进行任何调查。 他希望得克萨斯州警方和 AG 宣布奥斯瓦尔德是唯一的射手。 他希望暗杀事件在德克萨斯州管辖范围内,并将联邦调查局的调查结果发送给他们。

    *当约翰逊打电话给纽约时报和 WP 的友好记者寻求他们的支持时,他们告诉他,该国将要求进行“更大的调查”。

    *与此同时,国会正在对暗杀事件进行全面调查。

    *约翰逊打电话给胡佛,告诉他国会计划进行一项调查,并说他不想要——引用——“三环马戏团”。 如果联邦调查局只是向公众发布一份关于它的报告会更好。

    *国会对此犹豫不决,然后约翰逊提出了妥协……一个​​由几位参议员和国会议员与“外部”前官员和人物组成的委员会……因此沃伦委员会诞生了。

    *约翰逊本人选择了杜勒斯,杜勒斯是他在所有其他成员中的第一个选择。 事实上,约翰逊(或他的顾问)挑选了大多数(如果不是全部)委员会成员。 他会做的是在他选中他之后打电话给像 Gerry Ford 这样的人并说“你会怎么想某个人”,当然没有人会反对这个人,所以他会被带上。

    有一件事响亮而清晰,或者像德克萨斯州政治所允许的那样响亮而清晰......约翰逊希望暗杀事件结束......没有围绕它的大吵大闹。
    因为他知道是谁干的,怀疑是谁干的,也不在乎是谁干的……三人之一。

    • 回复: @renfro
  168. renfro 说:
    @renfro

    除了我的评论......

    当约翰逊打电话给杜勒斯关于去接受委托时,约翰逊对杜勒斯说的第一句话是……“有一些不愉快的消息要告诉你”。

    我想我们必须猜测这意味着什么,因为他甚至在招募杜勒斯之前都没有说明为什么这个消息令人不快......但约翰逊确实继续说杜勒斯“必须为他做这件事”。

    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=893

    • 回复: @James N. Kennett
  169. 这本书是每个人都应该看到和评价的东西。 我怀疑这在很大程度上是真的,我感谢 Unz 先生提供了轻松访问它的机会。 我希望这篇文章在很长一段时间内仍然易于访问,因为书中有很多内容需要消化,而且作为一个老人,我不习惯以这种格式访问书本长度的内容。

  170. ivan 说:
    @Paw

    是的,Jake Rubinstein 据称对 JFK 表示同情,JFK 是一位天主教徒,也是 Joseph P. Kennedy 的次子,他在美国圣徒传记中是 Henry Ford 和 Charles Lindbergh 联盟中的反犹主义者,总是让我感到寒冷。 有些人被他对肯尼迪永恒的爱的滔滔不绝的抗议所吸引,但犯罪班上到处都是那些在需要时可以像费雯丽一样哭泣的人。 否则,谁会在审讯时相信他们? 奥斯瓦尔德,不管他的出身如何,都被沉默了——这应该像白天一样清晰。

  171. skrik 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    在 MSM 中每天工作的大多数人的脑海中都会出现一个充满想象力的问题

    你一定是乔金吧? 邪恶和邪恶一样,MSM 是 CCC 的一个有效宣传机构 [参考 Bernays 雾霾] = 秘密犯罪集团'控制它' = 统治'西方'。 MSM 的“营利”和“公共资助”部分都是“自上而下”的心甘情愿的侍女——因此,他们心怀铁石心肠**t 为大脑。

    换句话说,伙计,MSM 中的绝大多数人都超出了“寻求真相”的范围。 Faaar超越,实际上就在咕噜声中。 无论如何,任何“大量资源”的贡献都可能是“受控反对”,更多的是效果而不是实质。 哦! 只有而且总是恕我直言。

    一个很大的问题是你为什么要成为他们的辩护者? 建议A; 猜测:您实际上知道一两个“更高的人”,您将“怀疑的好处”扩展到他们,因此拒绝只见树木不见森林。

    下一个问:你认为任何“石头心和s**这样的奉承会给大脑留下深刻的印象吗?

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  172. jdf 说:
    @jdf

    确实如此,@Tono Bungay,我夸大了它。 脸红。 达拉斯警方档案中发现的“后院照片”怎么样,这些照片被用来“构图”LHO 手里拿着步枪和一本真理报? 荒谬的。 当展示照片时,奥斯瓦尔德说照片中的不是他。 这是一个简单的事实。 或者墨西哥城的假奥斯瓦尔德的照片如何,他试图获得“逃亡”签证失败,该签证将用于声称奥斯瓦尔德在暗杀后逃往古巴? 有很多“关键点”。 达拉斯警方的一些人员与中央情报局的人员以及联邦调查局的人员一起深入参与了暗杀活动。 并不是考虑到这些更广泛的参与限制了派珀的“最终判决”的价值。 是的,@Anon,在 70 年代初,当我听到利夫顿的演讲时,人们仍然普遍认为暗杀的来源是右翼石油人,例如亨特和默奇森。 许多早期的研究人员,尤其是犹太研究人员,诚实地相信他们正在努力揭露右翼阴谋。 诺曼·梅勒 (Norman Mailer) 也可能如此。 但问题是杰克·鲁比(Jack Ruby)。 他会牺牲自己的生命来保护右翼石油人或意大利天主教黑手党吗? 在马克·莱恩 (Mark Lane) 的“合理否认”(我应该将其列入我最喜欢的暗杀书籍中)中,他讲述了在比佛利山庄高中与 AL Wirin 的公开辩论,Wirin 在那里说:“感谢上帝赐予厄尔·沃伦 (Earl Warren)。 他阻止了这个国家的大屠杀。” 有趣的是,主要是犹太人的观众对 Wirin 的评论嗤之以鼻。 尽管如此,我认为很多人从一开始就很清楚杰克·鲁比谋杀奥斯瓦尔德的影响。 正如彼得·戴尔·斯科特(Peter Dale Scott)在“深层政治”中所说的那样,鲁比是解开暗杀的关键,因为他对奥斯瓦尔德的谋杀是同谋者必须从藏身之处出来的唯一时间。

  173. 这么多自相矛盾。

    例如,我们要接受 LBJ 既向以色列磕头又派美国海军自由号向他们展示谁是老大的事实。

    Or

    那个 RFK 选择了一个完全是犹太人的工作人员,因为他认为以色列已经射杀了他的兄弟。

    或者大的:

    我们接受这一点,而不是将有关肯尼迪的丑闻泄露给所谓的 媒体为了阻止对他们利益的潜在轻微压制,以色列人真的冒着一切风险射杀了肯尼迪。 (想象一下,如果他们被发现会发生什么——如果你仔细想想,这可能是一种情况,对他们来说也是一种可怕的情况。)

    这就像押注英格兰赢得世界杯,如果赢了就可以得到 100,000 英镑,但如果输了就被砍头。

    只有彻底的疯子才会这么做,而一个彻底的疯子早就死了。

    自然地,您的评论者将您的废话提升到了一个新的水平。

    据说如果美国被以色列撤消,前中央情报局局长和总统......

    这是其中之一 疯狂的评论。

    基本上,这里的游戏是:任何不好的东西——犹太人都做了。 任何好事——犹太人试图阻止。 当两个疯子在什么是坏的和什么是好的问题上意见不一时,就会发生最有趣的争论。 自然而然,这种分歧会由犹太人较少的一方解决。

    人类的政治一直都是这样吗? 如果有什么 SJW 不喜欢的东西,他们会想办法责怪普通白人。 如果他们很胖,他们甚至会根据那个人看着他们(直白的白人男性凝视)来责怪一个正常的白人。

    还是这个东西是新的?

    这是一个测试,看看你是否已经失去了情节。 列出来自世界各地和整个历史的 10 件非常糟糕的事情。 然后弄清楚你是否最终将所有这些都归咎于同一个人。 如果你这样做了,你已经失去了理智。

    至于LBJ有没有做,做Veep有那么糟糕吗? 电视节目说是的,但冒着巨额财富的风险谋杀你的朋友似乎有点过分。 我不认识 LBJ,但他必须是一个彻头彻尾的精神病患者才能做到这一点。 Tinpot 独裁者被他们的二号人物谋杀,因为他们的二号人物害怕自己被谋杀。 他们生活在一个非常不同的文化中。 美国总统政治仍然是不杀或被杀。

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
    , @peterAUS
  174. gsjackson 说:
    @David In TN

    不是不尊重以色列,这才是重点。

    虽然也许这并不完全正确。 卡特的和平努力可能没有得到以色列的赏识,但他们没有杀死他,而是让媒体将他塑造成小丑。 我仍然记得 shabbos goy George Will 对 Carter 的“萎靡不振”演讲的冷笑反应。 事实上,不适可能是威尔的话。 这不是在演讲中。

    • 回复: @David In TN
  175. Kiza 说:
    @Jeff Stryker

    不,杰夫,我不同意美国的意大利黑手党杀害肯尼迪家族的理论。 我同意 Ron 的观点,他们是讨厌 POTUS 的团体之一,但 POTUS 远高于他们的薪酬等级,而肯尼迪家族将是第一个也是最后一个被黑手党淘汰的高级政治家。 高度离散,高度难以置信,而不是 MO。

    在所有这些讨论中,我们不应该忘记杀死肯尼迪是一项相对容易的任务,掩盖它不是。 与 911 的比例相似。首先,只有最高级别的故事创作者(Deep State)才能成功地向人们提供如此明显的胡说八道。 其次,虽然深州不是巨无霸,但它仍然在大掩护(他们对我们)上保持统一。 我认为这是最重要和最有说服力的。

    掩盖的程度不与犯罪成正比,然后与犯罪者的水平成正比。 鸡饲料不能掩盖任何事情。

    • 回复: @MacNucc11
  176. @Ron Unz

    中央情报局和国家安全局一直有激烈的竞争,有时甚至是激烈的竞争。 围绕斯诺登的一些八卦是,他是一家公司工厂,旨在将 NSA 拉低一个档次。

  177. laz 说:

    恩兹先生
    当您忙碌的生活中有时间时,请阅读大卫利夫顿的“最佳证据”和吉姆马尔斯的“交火:杀死肯尼迪的阴谋”。 并观看视频系列“杀死肯尼迪的人”。 然后再写一篇文章。

  178. jdf 说:

    我记得当肯尼迪遇刺的消息发生时我在哪里:下课后穿过塔尔萨大学校园,前往学生会。 老朋友理查德·约翰逊(Richard Johnson)在我们相遇时向我通报了这个消息。 直到 1970 年代中期,我才听到 Lifton 在 SUNY SB 的演讲。 我已经10年没有睡着了,但没有仔细看过暗杀。 我哥哥在 Mark Lane 的《Rush to Judgment》刚出版时就读过它,但我的基本反应是相信政府——还没有怀疑政府会进行如此大规模的不诚实行为。 Lifton 的介绍是第一次拉开帷幕。 他稍后将发表“最佳证据”。 讲座后我的第一本书是罗伯特·萨姆·安森 (Robert Sam Anson) 所著的《他们杀死了总统》。 我一头扎进了新兴的文献和研究中。 在这个“黑暗的启蒙”过程中有许多里程碑。 我应该在我关于暗杀的好书清单中提到 Jim Marrs 的“Crossfire”,以及 Robert J. Groden 的早期照片汇编,当然还有 Jim Fetzer 的作品。 我还应该提到对“DC Dave”的好奇研究,他正在调查 James Forrestal 的谋杀案。 福雷斯特尔因“拖延承认以色列的地位”而受到威胁,并在贝塞斯达海军医院“住院”——可能是因为他的保护和治疗“偏执狂”。 在他“自杀”的前一天晚上,LBJ 拜访了 Forrestal——Forrestal 绝对不想见到他。 这次访问让他既激动又不安。 我毫不怀疑 LBJ 提出了众所周知的“Forrestal 无法拒绝的提议”——非常符合教父的风格。 那天晚上,他从病房的窗户坠落身亡。 LBJ 似乎是黑暗势力的使者,不仅在那时,而且在他的整个职业生涯中都是如此。 如果说 Unz 对肯尼迪遇刺事件的分析是他的观点和方法的一个例子,那么他不是一个“自恨的犹太人”,而是一个诚实的人,以一种认真、直率和不眨眼的方式处理我们这个时代棘手的、有争议的问题。 没有其他办法摆脱黑暗。 脱帽致敬!

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @jdf
    , @jdf
  179. ians 说:
    @utu

    迄今为止,任何“小问题”都被孤立的理论家反复提出,他们不顾一切地想搅浑水,避免明显的证据表明它必须是一个阴谋,主要是为了避免将注意力集中在中央情报局身上,让我们记住,中央情报局介绍了在他们的文件中使用了“阴谋论者”一词,详细说明了如何打击那些不同意沃伦委员会强加给美国的 bs 的人。

  180. ians 说:
    @donald j. tingle

    他们究竟将如何从 LBJ 担任总统职位中受益,尤其是当肯尼迪向卡斯特罗和克鲁晓夫伸出触手时,他们两人在听到这个消息后都心烦意乱。

  181. Anonymous[302]• 免责声明 说:

    给 Ron Unz,作为对他的评论 美国真理报总体上

    这就是你如何扰乱宇宙以创造意义。 它并不漂亮,而且大多数能够大规模地做到这一点的人都在四十岁以上是有原因的。

    在制作之前获胜。 这就是生存。

    先做后美。 这是永存。

    美在美德之前。 这就是领导力。

    真理之前的美德。 这是现实主义。

    为了获胜,你可能需要做破坏性的、丑陋的、恶毒的和虚假的事情。

    然后,为了创造,你可能需要做丑陋、邪恶和虚假的事情。

    为了让你的创作经久不衰,当你不再相信它们时它们不会消失,你可能需要做一些美丽的、邪恶的和虚假的事情。

    然后,你可能需要做美丽的、善良的和虚假的事情来创造幸福。

    最后,你可以选择寻求真理。 这是一项可选的、毫无意义的、基本上是孤立的活动。 不朽和自由的人可能会选择做一些事情,在游乐园里娱乐自己,这是永恒的一部分,当你不再相信它时,它不会消失。

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  182. @skrik

    我看到你问了一个可能是真实的问题,所以我会回答,这不仅仅是我认识的“高层”(以及拥有控制报纸和其他媒体的家庭),而且我已经与人有几十年的熟悉,包括家庭成员,他们从假期工作到模仿男孩和女孩一直在各个级别工作。 我也有过他们的经历,当我一直试图安排宣传或获得一个有利的角度时,我知道他们的不良行为,例如,当一名记者写了一个政治家给他的故事,然后在真实的,不同的,故事版本最终发生。 根本不是辩护者:只是对所涉及的真实人类有所了解的人。

    • 回复: @skrik
  183. @Paul Jolliffe

    进行了两次尸检,第一次由达拉斯帕克兰的平民医生进行,第二天由马里兰州贝塞斯达的军医进行第二次尸检。 第一次尸检的结果明显被删除或改变枪伤出入口等删除和逆转。这本书,最好的证据很好地涵盖了这个阴谋的角度

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    , @Sparkon
    , @Alden
  184. @Carroll Price

    在 FK 的尸体抵达马里兰州贝塞斯达之前,第二次尸检可能发生在第三个地点。 肯尼迪的尸体被拍到用民用(木制)棺材离开达拉斯,但以军用(金属)棺材到达贝塞斯达的事实表明了这一点。 这意味着贝塞斯达的医生在枪伤入口和出口等方面的观察结果与官方尸检报告一致,这与帕克兰纪念馆医生进行的原始尸检结果完全不一致。

  185. “试图代表所谓的美国国家利益推翻危地马拉领导人”

    它代表 United Fruit,又名 Chiquita Brands,杜勒斯兄弟是其中的主要股东。

  186. Anonymous [又名“钻石保险档案”] 说:
    @Ron Unz

    小心不要将有罪不罚与全能混淆。 有罪不罚是一种破坏法治的社会集会。 全能是神灵的纯粹概念属性,任何明智的人都不会将其归因于任何现有的官僚机构。 没有有效的法治,你就没有全能的控制,你的犯罪逍遥法外。 并且经常发生犯罪团伙战争。 如果摩萨德与其他犯罪集团争夺权力杠杆的控制权,这并没有削弱中央情报局的有罪不罚,而是突出了这一点。 摩萨德向您展示了如何通过短发获得美国。

    但是派珀的附录 6 让我大吃一惊。 中央情报局的权力攫取。 但这不是中央情报局想要的,而是……以色列,呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵……在俄克拉荷马城爆炸案之后,权力攫取恰巧紧随其后。 回想起来,它自称是中央情报局转移性增长战略的一个经典例子:对国内平民的攻击(查阅 Andreas Straßmeir)以证明增强镇压能力的合理性(查阅 1996 年的《反恐怖主义和有效死刑法》。)和参见911/爱国者法案。

    至于 NSA 的公认权力,Suzie Dawson 策划的斯诺登披露表明 NSA 和 CIA 步调一致。 从斯诺登到维斯纳,许多重要的国家安全局雇员都是中央情报局和国家安全局。 他们的焦点是谁? 谁在渗透谁? [提示:这是一个非常反问的问题。]

  187. skrik 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    感谢您的尊重和直接的回应,我可以理解您的困境; 一个人很难被邀请参加花园派对,然后开始骚扰雇佣的帮助来提升他们的游戏。 仍然。 作为真理 + 正义 = 和平的积极分子,我觉得有必要尽可能在他的巢穴里给狮子留胡子。 尤其是,我曾经相信一家公共资助的广播公司的报道——它故意散播邪恶的谎言[那是 67 年,他们最糟糕的谎言是‘勇敢的小大卫面对丑陋的阿拉伯(现在加上穆斯林)怪物’;” 现在我们知道 Z 是/仍然是侵略者。] MSM 的“名义”工作是报告事实,他们必须知道潜在的真相,一个正常运作的民主将依赖于此,因此更糟糕的是他们肮脏的谎言。 他们在 67 年撒谎的事实在很久以后才对我显而易见 [WMD 谎言是一个触发因素,随后是 9/11 分析 + USS Liberty = 确定性,添加当前主题 JFK 阴谋。] 当然,'67 只是第一个被我发现的案例,从那时起我们都应该知道,腐败和腐败的 MSM 零售店比一些无害的真相更有意地欺骗“假新闻”。

    这是部分引用:

    但它仍然是为了……,凭借他们无条件的造假能力,……

    地狱没有愤怒……”等..rgds

  188. @gsjackson

    “卡特的和平努力可能没有得到以色列的赏识,但他们没有杀死他,而是让媒体将他塑造成小丑。”

    为什么他们不让媒体曝光肯尼迪的性丑闻,并让他成为小丑?

    • 回复: @James Brown
    , @gsjackson
  189. HallParvey 说:

    掩盖真正阴谋的最好方法之一是尽可能多地宣传有关阴谋的相互竞争的理论。 有烟的地方就有火。 哪里有足够的烟雾,没有人能看到火。
    此外,阴谋不必涉及在不起眼的地方举行的秘密会议。 它只需要相似的想法得出一些有益于团队的结论。 然后就是操作的机制了。 即什么是可能的。

  190. Hu Mi Yu 说:
    @prusmc

    当吴庭获杀时,我以为肯尼迪是总统?

    他是。 吴庭艳于 1 年 1963 月 XNUMX 日被推翻,一两天后他被杀。 肯尼迪在未经宣布的现场直播中出现在电视上,承认同谋说:“中央情报局超出了我的指示。=

    如果您仔细筛选 XNUMX 月初的报纸,您肯定会发现其中提到了这一点。

  191. Sean 说:
    @Anonymous

    我认为 Ron Unz 不需要向任何人学习,他能够在商业和政治领域有所作为,因为他是一支单人军队。 可能是 Unz 他在委派任务方面有过糟糕的经历 委托代理问题:-

    我怀疑罗恩在气质上倾向于自己做事; 他做了繁重的工作来让球滚动,将他所有的精力都投入到巨大的个人努力中,并且 然后 它聚集了大众和动力,人们追随他的想法(和平台)。 这就是行动者的方式,他们充满活力的决心和毅力承载着这一天。 对我来说,想到肯尼迪遇刺事件不是从一个人的意志行为开始,而是一个无所不包的精英国际开始,这似乎很奇怪 齐特吉斯特 最初接受不同利益的分组,但过滤到一个微小的前沿,在事件发生后,这将是一个可以预见的一次性分组。

    以色列成立于 唤醒 在无数谋杀案中,是的 Yitzhak Shamir 加入了一个试图与纳粹德国合作的组织,然后试图杀害杀害“Yair”的巴勒斯坦警察,比如 汤姆威尔金,以及英国和联合国官员,但这是在以色列成为一个国家之前。 这并不等同于以色列的情报部门或政治辅助机构委托暗杀一个友好的外国总统。 艾森豪威尔给了以色列一个核反应堆,肯尼迪继续他的所有前任政策。

    正如以色列会转向的那样,美国希望阻止阿拉伯人转向苏联,但他们做到了。 这带来了政策上的逆转。 肯尼迪的选举有80%的犹太选票总裁随后是1962年的美国武器第一届以色列(艺术王国议员的国家)对国家部门的反对意见,他从未将以色列迫使以色列放弃它的核武器计划(检查正在国际上进行干预,当他们到来时被证明是敷衍了事)就像他在没有胜利的情况下从越南撤出一样。 如果他想重新选择,他就无法做到。
    1967 年,以色列人指望他们从海上进入的策略越过埃及雷达,我预计摧毁自由号的命令是被认为是一艘挂着假旗的敌舰。

    回溯到犹太国家建立之前,沙米尔的阴谋活动有一个方面具有很大的相关性; 他通过杀死老老板成为了斯特恩帮的头目(原因是有争议的,有人说部分是因为受害者是同性恋)。
    有鉴于此,让我们通过 Bostrom 的引述来研究假定的广泛的肯尼迪阴谋以及其排名成员之后可能合理地期望对他们产生的影响 超级智能

    另一个阻碍团体利用潜在决定性战略优势的主要因素是内部协调问题。 一个能够夺取权力的阴谋的成员不仅会怀疑被外部渗透,还会怀疑被一些较小的内部联盟推翻。 如果一个由一百人组成的团体和六十人的大多数可以掌权并剥夺非阴谋者的权利,那么如何阻止这六十人中的三十五人剥夺其他二十五个人的权利? 然后也许是二十人的子集剥夺了其他十五人的权利。 最初的一百人中的每一个都可能有充分的理由维护某些既定规范,以防止可能导致通过赤裸裸的权力攫取改变社会契约的普遍瓦解

    信任是关键。

    http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2018/06/doing-better-in-promised-land.html
    为什么德系犹太人在以色列的表现比在美国差? […] 然而,同样重要的是,它还提供了一种高度信任的文化。 通常可以指望美国人按照他们所说的去做,并且只收取他们所说的费用。 1935 年,当两名苏联记者 Ilya Ilf 和 Evgeny Petrov 访问美国时,他们被普通美国人的正直所震撼:

    […]] 如果一个美国人在谈话过程中说,即使是顺便说一句,“我会那样做”,没有必要在未来提醒他任何事情。 一切都会完成。 能信守诺言,能牢牢、准确地信守诺言,能破,但能信守诺言——这是我们苏联商人必须向美国商人学习的最重要的东西。 (伊尔夫和彼得罗夫 1937)

    因此,Sam Zell(和Arnon Milchan)。 正如约翰韦恩在 The Comancheroes 中所说的那样,“语言是人们赖以生存的东西,他们所说的和所指的”。 宣誓当然是由美国政府官员宣誓的。

    如果有人能做到,比尔·哈维也能做到。 他领导了中央情报局暗杀领导人资源并训练了团队 http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKzrrifle.htm
    可能已经发现了 Oswald 的位置和倾向并将他用作小偷? 最肯定的。

    • 回复: @HallParvey
    , @Wizard of Oz
  192. @David In TN

    “他们为什么不让媒体曝光肯尼迪性丑闻,把他当成小丑?”

    Primo:在 60 年代,黑手党(以色列是一个黑手党国家)并没有像今天这样完全控制美国的媒体。

    Secondo:黑手党喜欢举个例子。 在肯尼迪之后,没有其他“美国”总统敢违抗。

    • 回复: @David In TN
  193. Sparkon 说:
    @Carroll Price

    No,达拉斯没有尸检。

    特勤局特工违反德克萨斯州法律,在尸检开始前从帕克兰劫持了肯尼迪的尸体。

    请看我之前的评论,昨天晚上在这里适度地搁置了几个小时直到它可以被埋葬,一个老报人的伎俩:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-jfk-assassination-part-ii-who-did-it/#comment-2390207

  194. @Tyrion 2

    我刚刚在搜索 Ruby 应该“为以色列”杀死 Oswald 的帖子时发现了您的明智观点。 任何倾向于相信有阴谋的人都不会想到 Ruby 可能会这样做,因为他认为他通过阻止 Oswald 胡言乱语来帮助以色列,这难道不奇怪吗? 他的动机与中央情报局甚至古巴流亡组织的阴谋非常一致,鲁比认为这是以色列的阴谋。

    • 回复: @Tyrion 2
  195. Old fogey 说:
    @Anonymous

    非常感谢链接和视频。 普劳蒂上校是一个非凡的人。

  196. @Wizard of Oz

    据说他说这是给“犹太人”和拉比的。 至少,上面是这么写的。

    考虑到美国犹太人似乎有多爱肯尼迪以及他们投票给他的比例是多么可笑,很可能他主要只是想在谈话的背景下给出一个体面的答案,他的意思是犹太人的希望和梦想已经体现出来在肯尼迪所以杀死凶手是报复。

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  197. @Carroll Price

    LBJ 在肯尼迪遇刺事件中扮演的角色与乔治·布什在 9/11 假旗袭击中扮演的角色大致相同。 也就是说,双方都会被告知事件何时发生,并发布关于如何行动、说什么和不说什么的指示。

    你是说,在杀死肯尼迪的过程中,中央情报局并没有流氓,它只是在执行其预期的功能之一,即罢免不满意的国家元首。

    但在美国国家元首被免职的情况下,人们认为需要两党的批准。 对于民主党人来说,LBJ 似乎毫无疑问就是那个人。 但是共和党方面谁会点头呢? 被肯尼迪击败的理查德尼克松当时是共和党事实上的领袖,很可能就是他。 这将把中央情报局、迪利广场和水门酒店联系在一起,链接是 E. Howard Hunt:中央情报局驻墨西哥城的站长,中央情报局在那里监视奥斯瓦尔德与苏联和古巴大使馆的联系; 自我承认的暗杀“替补温暖”,并且与弗兰克斯特吉斯一起,可能 暗杀当天在迪利广场被捕的三名流浪汉之一; 还有弗兰克·斯特吉斯,在水门酒店闯入期间被捕,也许是为了检查民主党是否有尼克松参与肯尼迪暗杀的证据。

    • 回复: @MacNucc11
    , @Alden
  198. @jdf

    也许鲁比只是因为相信他是为以色列做这件事而受到激励。

  199. Sean 说:
    @Sean Sean Sean

    这就解释了为什么约翰·达奇在担任中央情报局局长期间被五角大楼调查人员发现访问色情网站并公开羞辱。

    政府不接受中央情报局或联邦调查局的命令。 总统控制两者。 如有必要,他可以召集军队对付他们中的一个或两个。

    • 回复: @Sean Sean Sean
  200. lysias 说:

    由于反复提到肯尼迪尸体的医疗处理和一次或多次尸体解剖,我应该提到的是,虽然很长,但值得阅读的作品是道格拉斯·霍恩的五卷本“暗杀记录”审查委员会”。 该委员会由国会法案设立,具有传票权,作为对奥利弗·斯通的电影的反应,在 1990 年代运作,并导致了许​​多新证据的发布。 霍恩是一名退休的海军军官,是董事会的军事记录首席分析师。 他参加了对贝塞斯达海军医院处理肯尼迪尸体的许多幸存者的采访。

    • 回复: @Tono Bungay
  201. HallParvey 说:
    @Sean

    可能已经发现了 Oswald 的位置和倾向并将他用作小偷? 最肯定的。

    可能不是唯一一个,但随着他的成功操作(这里是阴谋论),对类似人员的需求消失了。 全国陷入哀悼,接下来的选举是林登滑坡的另一场滑坡。

  202. Anonymouse 说:

    我读过波斯纳的 结案 几年前。 它说服了我,所以我把这个话题抛在了脑后。 RU 最近的双胞胎文章读起来很有趣,所以我从图书馆里查看了波斯纳的书。 我第一次阅读整篇文章,以便对整个论点有一个了解。 这一次,仔细检查我的原始印象是一件乏味的苦差事。 我也一直在阅读评论,我确实深入研究了派珀的 30,000 字写作,RU 好心地提供了这些内容。 我仍然是不可知论者,虽然支持孤独枪手理论。 RU 建议我们寻找 崔波诺 的事件。 我怀疑这里有一个巨大的逻辑错误。 约翰逊的利益和以色列人的利益与谁做的无关。 这有利于孤枪手理论。 他是一个脾气暴躁的母亲的最后一个孩子,并且在疯狂中飘忽不定。 他射击并错过了退役的沃克将军。 他在现实生活中的工作是偶然的。 他不喜欢在基辅的一家工厂组装收音机,就像其他任何有薪工作一样。 他就像一首县城音乐失败者的歌。 正如她告诉波斯纳的那样,他在存放达拉斯教科书的大楼里的工作在报纸的工作部分做了广告,还有那个正在帮助玛丽娜、婴儿和奥斯瓦尔德的贵格会好心女人,已将广告指出给奥斯瓦尔德。 他申请并得到了它。 谁知道他除了玛丽娜之外还有一把步枪? 一个思想实验——如果奥斯瓦尔德拿着步枪射杀一个或多个人,作为一种声明来强化他让世界认可他的总体宏伟目标会怎样? 和/或他可能已经推测出行列队沿他所在的那条路线行驶的可能性 偶然 正在工作。 他显然擅长偷偷地将步枪运进大楼,就像他擅长笨拙的伪造一样。 他可能是一个 100% 的失败者,但他在现实生活中知道自己的方式。 也许他不止一次地把步枪进出大楼。

  203. MacNucc11 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    相信我,他们不会为阴谋投票。 深层国家完全是两党的,或者更准确地说是无党派的。 尼克松因为同样的原因被同一个深州干掉。 他不忠于中央情报局,并希望它掌权。肯尼迪是第一个,阿格纽被拿下,因为犹太人不想要他,然后是尼克松。 福特当然是他们想要从沃伦委员会那里得到的人。

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  204. MacNucc11 说:
    @Anonymouse

    我的怀疑是 1,他从来没有把步枪带到大楼里,因为不仅仅是一个人,而是很多人会看到他,2 那个说他确实看到他的人可能在撒谎来帮助他设置。

    • 回复: @Alden
  205. @Sean

    不可否认,你那露水的纯真做作是迷人的。

    https://whowhatwhy.org/2011/12/13/the-military-and-those-strange-threats-to-obama/

    Deutsch、Petraeus、McCone、Turner – 引擎盖装饰品。 杜勒斯、野生动物园俱乐部、布什、盖茨、切尼、哈斯佩尔——真实的东西。 当您查看组织结构图上的实线而不是虚线时,您很容易想到愚蠢的事情。 您是否曾经获得过任何形式的抵押品的清除? 你是如此的确定,却又如此的失态。

  206. Alden 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    在美国,叛国罪被定义为对美国发动战争或在战时帮助敌人。

    此外,除非有 2 名证人在公开法庭上对同一公开的行为或供词作证,否则不得将任何人定为叛国罪。

    他的叛逃不是在战争时期,也没有目击者或证据表明他在俄罗斯时有任何公开的行为。

    你可以喋喋不休地谈论你认为叛国罪是什么,以及你认为他可能告诉俄罗斯人我们的雷达系统或 U 2 飞行,但这只是你的猜测。

  207. Si1ver1ock 说:

    我们得到了 James Files 的供词和许多其他证据,让我们了解真实情况。 确切的细节将是模棱两可的,因为这是一个阴谋。 你会从不同的参与者那里得到相互矛盾的证词。 这种歧义是故意的。 它被设计到情节中,旨在变得模棱两可。

    主要的一点是 政府仍然否认 大多数人认为这是一个显而易见的事实。 这使他们充其量是无能的,或者更有可能的是, 叛国的附属品。

    为什么我们继续容忍政府的明显谎言和欺骗? 如今,保罗·克雷格·罗伯茨 (Paul Craig Roberts) 的几乎每篇专栏文章都详细描述了我们政府和媒体的公然欺骗和犯罪行为。

    顺便说一句,如果以色列人参与其中,他们很可能只是另一个派系。

    • 回复: @Alden
  208. @Wizard of Oz

    什么先于革命和企图革命?

    生产阶级的贫困和掠夺似乎不是一个原因。

    一般来说,由一些具有反对政治或宗教哲学的相当大的少数人获得权力和财富往往是有效的。

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  209. @Wizard of Oz

    让我补充一点,希望有人在目击者死亡的精算数学方面做得很好

    哈哈。 你的意思是,你对为什么在迪利广场内或周围的 28 人后来死亡的精算推理有疑问?

    罗夫茂。 可以找到零相关性。 这种“统计数据”的总体无法量化。 这是胡说八道。

  210. Alden 说:
    @MacNucc11

    你一定是说弗雷泽,他那天早上送奥斯瓦尔德去上班,奥斯瓦尔德告诉他奥斯瓦尔德带进大楼的包裹里有窗帘杆。

    得克萨斯州的整个人口都必须参与其中。

  211. gsjackson 说:
    @David In TN

    我猜:

    (1) 肯尼迪的罪行比卡特的更为恶劣和具有威胁性。 肯尼迪还谈到了秘密合作和邪恶的行为,而卡特对困扰我们的问题的分析在很大程度上符合对一个沉没在物质主义中的国家的数十年历史(并且基本上是犹太人)的学术批评; 即,相对无害的东西。

    (2) 时间可能很重要。 一旦核反应堆被关闭(或在肯尼迪公开谴责的情况下维持),并且游说团体被迫注册为外国代理人,可能会出现重大的公关问题来撤销这些行动。

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Alden
  212. gsjackson 说:
    @Anonymouse

    “我怀疑这里有一个巨大的逻辑错误。 约翰逊的利益和以色列人的利益与谁做的无关。”

    这要么是一个真正的不合逻辑的选择,要么是你在宣布后者和前者的到来。 你是认真的说动机与确定谁犯罪无关吗?

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Anonymouse
  213. @Wizard of Oz

    斯潘道的那个人确实不是赫斯。
    美国监狱医生写了一本关于它的书。
    真正的赫斯很可能在 1943 年在苏格兰的一次飞艇失事中丧生,这一点从未得到解释,很多人都有一具尸体,可能是赫斯从湖中捡到的。
    琳·皮克奈特(Lynn Picknett),克莱夫·普林斯(Clive Prince)和史蒂芬·普赖特(Stephen Prior),“双重标准,鲁道夫·赫斯的掩饰”,伦敦,2002年
    英国国王的一个弟弟在事故中丧生,这艘飞艇的目的地是什么,官方从未解释过。
    理论是这艘飞艇正在前往斯德哥尔摩宣布英国和德国之间的和平,希特勒和丘吉尔都下台了。
    当然丘吉尔不是自愿的。
    由于无法承认坠机事故,因此不得不在 Neurenberg 秀上介绍一个假的 Hess。
    这个赫斯有记忆问题。
    如果他能够畅所欲言,二战的官方历史将不得不改写。
    真理的伟大之处在于一致性,我们的伯纳德王子在坠机前一天晚上与提到的兄弟共进晚餐。
    以上与据说伯纳德当时写给希特勒的信是一致的,信中要求成为荷兰的摄政王。
    斯潘道人是谁,他为什么玩这个游戏,没人知道。
    这位美国医生写道,“当我对他说‘你不是赫斯’时,他就拉屎了”。
    我没有读过这本书。

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  214. @Alden

    当然不是,他从相反的方向走过,显然是为了确保一切都好。 你熟悉我提到的照片吗? 去 http://www.prouty.org.

  215. Alden 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    水门事件发生在肯尼迪遇害 9 年后。 9/11 是 38 年后。

  216. @MacNucc11

    相信我 …

    哈哈。 肯定会放弃您没有相关知识的碎片。

  217. Alden 说:
    @Si1ver1ock

    他们是谁?? 杀害总统不包括在叛国罪的定义中。

    • 回复: @Si1ver1ock
  218. Alden 说:
    @gsjackson

    卡特和他的中央情报局局长特纳从运营部门解雇了 800 多名中央情报局工作人员,但没有中央情报局特工试图杀死卡特或特纳。

    解雇大部分运营是一件具体的事情,多年来摧毁了运营部门

    那么为什么中央情报局没有在枪击事件中杀死特纳和卡特呢?

    肯尼迪刚刚解雇了杜勒斯并发出威胁。

    • 回复: @gsjackson
  219. Ron Unz 说:
    @David In TN

    既然你提出了这个话题,为什么那些想要肯尼迪下台的所谓的深层国家特工没有用性丑闻袭击他? 当您可以在政治上摧毁肯尼迪并让他成为笑柄时,为什么要让他成为烈士(并冒着被处决的风险)?

    这是一个完全有效的论点,但实际上我认为它通常支持我自己的分析。

    肯定有很多强大的派系讨厌肯尼迪并希望他下台。 反共冷战强硬派、中央情报局人员、黑手党、胡佛、右翼得克萨斯州石油商,以及一长串其他人。 但我不认为这些团体中的任何一个对时间特别敏感,所以他们可以等到 1964 年大选前不久,开始向媒体倾倒大量诽谤材料,以确保肯尼迪的失败。 我真的认为这就是像杜勒斯这样的人通常会做的事情。

    然而,有两个主要的例外。 在暗杀事件发生时,LBJ 距离在政治上被摧毁只有几周甚至几天的时间,因为在肯尼迪的鼓励下,媒体即将揭露他所有的巨大腐败丑闻,不久之后他可能会受到审判,面临长期监狱服刑。 此外,一旦他的政治权力被打破,也许他在过去的几起德克萨斯谋杀案中的一些可怕证人就会站出来,使他面临更大的法律风险。 约翰逊等不及了。

    与此同时,以色列承受着肯尼迪的巨大压力,要求其放弃其核武器计划,否则将面临完全中断援助的风险。 而美国新生的以色列游说团也即将被迫注册为外国特工并实际上被关闭。 以色列也等不及一年了。

    作为阴谋论者压倒性焦点的所有各种反肯尼迪团体都没有太多理由冒如此直接的风险,但约翰逊和以色列做到了。

  220. Alden 说:
    @gsjackson

    检察官没有必要在指控或审判中提出动机。 法官不赞成检察官强调可能的动机而不是具体的证据。

    据肯尼迪杀戮行业和爱好者称,至少有 10 个实体据称从谋杀中受益。

    要提出在初步听证会上不会被驳回的指控,检察官必须在毕业典礼听证会上证明他有可信且可证明的证据证明被告确实杀死了肯尼迪。

    很明显,在这个线程上没有调查员或任何在法律领域工作的人。

    • 回复: @gsjackson
  221. Alden 说:
    @gsjackson

    老实说,我想知道为什么犹太人如此反对 AIPAC 注册为外国政府的代理人。

    它是外国政府的代理人。
    为什么假装不是?

    AIPAC 解雇了我们最负盛名的外交政策参议员之一富布赖特,因为他希望 AIPAC 注册为外国势力。

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  222. Alden 说:
    @Ron Unz

    我完全同意你的罗恩。 如果约翰逊不这样做。 以色列将不得不避免肯尼迪透露其核武器并撤回允许以色列存在的援助。

    • 回复: @Anon
  223. Sean 说:

    亨利八世的人格,而不是神授的权利,是他将权力强加于国家所有机构并从根本上改造它们的能力的决定性因素。 如果一个国家的领导人选择使用它,他总是拥有真正的权力。 特朗普做到了,而中央情报局无能为力。

    尼克松最大的错误是胡佛未能拿出证据证明反越战情绪是共产主义阴谋,让像亨特这样的中央情报局无能者去收集泄密事件的证据。 亨特在写间谍小说方面很有经验,而不是入室盗窃(地狱天使会更专业)怎么会有人认为亨特会活着,并被用于秘密行动 after 参与暗杀超出了我的范围。 中央情报局过去和现在都充满了自由主义者,比如安格尔顿的心腹科德迈耶,他是世界政府的狂热分子。 除了比尔哈维可能是个例外,他们当时没有胆量刺杀总统,现在仍然没有。

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/05/07/the-spy-who-came-home

    2016 年 XNUMX 月,斯金纳在中央情报局最亲密的朋友之一在阿富汗被伊斯兰国军队杀害。 斯金纳很沮丧。 几个月后,他离开了搜饭集团,加入了当地的警察队伍,每年减薪超过十万美元。 对于萨凡纳警方来说,获得社区信任的最大障碍是这座城市的历史。 萨凡纳大约有 XNUMX% 是黑人,佐治亚州在 XNUMX 世纪下半叶实行种族隔离; 斯金纳完成训练后,惊讶地发现他与年长的黑人男子的许多互动都是从他们反射性地举起手开始的。[等等]

    Torrey 是精神分裂症错误理论的支持者。 与精神分裂症有关的基因是一种增强炎症反应的基因,所以他至少说对了一半。
    *您的肠道细菌 并操纵你,为了他们自己的利益改变你的行为。 您的免疫系统更是如此。

  224. HallParvey 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    行动中的进化。 一件事导致另一件事。 已经学会操纵他人的自助组织形式的积极反馈对团体有益。 同样,以能够扼杀任何和所有批评的形式的负面反馈对团队来说是净正面的。
    达尔文观察并写了一个反馈循环的一个非常狭窄的部分。
    循环无处不在,无论是正面的还是负面的,有时从外部可以观察到,但从内部很难观察到。 这些循环构成了一切的进化。

    最终,甚至进化也达到了它的自然终点,进化的系统被一个新的系统所取代。 出生、成长、成熟、替代生产、衰败、死亡。

    几乎就像生活本身。 进化的循环。

  225. Anon[425]• 免责声明 说:
    @Alden

    但杀死总统的风险如此之大,我无法想象有谋杀他的阴谋。 让他失望,是的。 这种情况一直发生。 但是要杀了他?

    以色列会冒险吗? 它是流氓摩萨德行动还是从最高层下令? 我无法想象以色列领导人会告诉他们的代理人杀死美国总统。 听起来太疯狂了。

    到处暗杀一些巴勒斯坦人或下级官员是一回事。 但是美国总统呢?

    此外,如果消息传出去,很有可能有人会尖叫。

    想象一下,如果彭斯想杀死特朗普。 他必须联系一些人。 我们知道深州讨厌特朗普并希望他离开。 但如果彭斯走近人们并说,“嘘,嘘,让我们杀了特朗普”,他怎么能确定他们是否会点头同意。 即使是反特朗普的深州,也很有可能敲响警钟,阻止阴谋。

    涉及的风险太大了。 太有可能有人会听到它的风声并尖叫起来。

    所以,如果有一个涉及约翰逊的阴谋,那一定是由约翰逊完全信任和知道很长时间的心腹进行的完全流氓行动。

    至于犹太人,他们有最大的(人物)暗杀机器,叫做媒体。 仅仅通过将豆子洒在某些政客身上,犹太势力就可以永远毁了他们。 没必要杀了他们。
    但也许就是现在。 早在 60 年代,也许犹太媒体的力量并没有那么强大,也许这个国家不是犹太人可以摧毁任何政治家的 PC。 毕竟,乔治华莱士是 60 年代后期的主要候选人。 所以,或许他们不得不采取更严厉的手段。

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
    , @Sean
  226. tac 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    海军医生:在肯尼迪的豪华轿车中发现子弹,但从未报告

    这是一颗子弹的故事——一颗用过的、畸形的、但完好无损的子弹——海军医生詹姆斯·杨说,它在深夜被发现在肯尼迪豪华轿车后座的地板上。 他亲自检查过。

    这颗子弹是由两名首席士官发现的,他们在尸检期间被派去取回他们在豪华轿车中发现的任何头骨碎片。 他们带着三块骨头和子弹回来了。 报告了头骨碎片——但没有报告子弹。

    https://whowhatwhy.org/2017/10/06/navy-doctor-bullet-found-jfks-limousine-never-reported/

    • 回复: @tac
  227. @James Brown

    它所需要的只是一个新闻故事来开始它。

    吉米卡特“敢于不服从”。 以色列为什么不暗杀艾森豪威尔? 在 1956 年苏伊士运河危机中,他使以色列非常不满。

    • 回复: @James Brown
  228. @Anon

    但杀死总统的风险如此之大,我无法想象有谋杀他的阴谋。 让他失望,是的。 这种情况一直发生。 但是要杀了他?

    你必须了解时代。 肯尼迪未能与共产党保持坚定的路线,在古巴的导弹问题上,在猪湾问题上的古巴以及在越南,他计划在 64 年大选后撤军。 这是叛国罪,叛国罪的惩罚是死刑。

    为什么美国政府杀死了约翰·肯尼迪

    • 回复: @lysias
    , @Alden
    , @Wizard of Oz
  229. @Ron Unz

    谢谢你的回复,但我坚持我的论点。 通过性丑闻在政治上和道德上摧毁肯尼迪总统比复杂的谋杀阴谋更容易、更安全。

    说到 LBJ,肯尼迪因与来自 Bobby Baker 的法定人数俱乐部的一名女性的牵连而受到损害。 参见 Ben Bradlee 的书“Conversations with Kennedy”,第 227-228 页。 5 年 1963 月 XNUMX 日,也就是暗杀事件发生两周多后,肯尼迪向布拉德利提供了一些虚假信息。 他预料到来自鲍比贝克马厩的女人艾伦罗梅奇事件会带来麻烦。

    如果他们愿意的话,这是深层国家(和以色列)彻底摧毁肯尼迪的完美方式。

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @anon
    , @utu
    , @Sean
  230. peterAUS 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    这么多自相矛盾。

    没关系

    基本上,这里的游戏是:任何不好的东西——犹太人都做了。 任何好事——犹太人试图阻止。

    大多数时候。

    人类的政治一直都是这样吗?

    大多数时候,对于无产者。 让事情变得简单。

    祝你好运。

  231. lysias 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    他们大概就是这么想的,肯尼迪犯了叛国罪。 但那是他们偏执的冷战思维说的。 他们无法想象像肯尼迪这样的人会真诚地想要结束冷战。 他们错了。 他们是对美国系统造成严重的——最终可能是致命的——打击的人。 他们——至少是其中的美国人——是犯下叛国罪的人。

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  232. Alden 说:
    @Anonymouse

    车队的路线于 20 月 XNUMX 日星期三公布。 TSBD 的工人知道车队会直接经过大楼。

    第二天,奥斯瓦尔德前往潘恩家过夜。 11 年 22 月 XNUMX 日星期五早上,奥斯瓦尔德将一个他声称是窗帘杆的包裹从潘恩家中带到了 TSBD。

    奥斯瓦尔德拥有一支曼利彻卡尔卡诺步枪。 在 TSBD 六楼的窗户旁发现了一辆 Mannlicher Carcano。 从发现步枪的窗户正下方的 5 楼窗户向外望去的工人听到了枪声,感受到了震动,并看到灰尘从天花板管道中落下。

    当警察搜查潘恩家和车库时,没有找到奥斯瓦尔德的步枪。

    这些都是可查证、无可争辩的事实。
    其他一切都只是幻想、猜测和对肯尼迪无知的英雄崇拜。

    • 同意: David In TN
    • 回复: @peterAUS
  233. peterAUS 说:
    @Dillon Sweeny

    生产阶级的贫困和掠夺似乎不是一个原因。

    一般来说,由一些具有反对政治或宗教哲学的相当大的少数人获得权力和财富往往是有效的。

    大多数时候。
    不总是。 俄罗斯(共产党进),苏联(共产党出)。

    所以,我会把第二个改成

    一般来说,一些相当大的人获得权力和财富 拥有对立的政治或宗教哲学往往是有效的。

    并且,会加上“社会危机”。
    当危机发生时,权力很可能被组织得最好的团体接管。

    至于西方,我能想到的唯一危机就是经济。
    或者,不会有任何变化,更不用说革命,而普通人有足够的面包和马戏团。
    现在,定义“足够”可能是一种棘手的方式。 贪婪是普遍的。

    • 回复: @Dillon Sweeny
  234. Alden 说:
    @David In TN

    你可能是对的。 但是当肯尼迪担任总统时,我还在上大学。 整个媒体都爱上了肯尼迪。 他父亲的公关机器在他死后多年仍然运转良好。

    媒体崇拜比奥巴马的肯尼迪更糟糕,据说他在担任参议员时让一名 15 岁的保姆怀孕并安排了当时的非法堕胎。 那件事和他的其他性丑闻都被完全掩盖了。

    当肯尼迪竞选国会议员时,肯尼迪公关机器并没有启动。 乔,罗斯妻子,亚瑟·克罗克,杂志编辑,特别是女性杂志编辑仔细培养了肯​​尼迪公关机器30年前他选出的总统

    肯尼迪家族拥有媒体。 性丑闻不会被揭露。

    肯尼迪只能通过药物维持生命,以控制他的艾迪生氏病。 那也完全被掩盖了。 他病重的一生都在医院进进出出,这被掩盖为童年疾病和海军受伤造成的背部不好。

    和奥巴马一样,肯尼迪也是媒体的产物。 与奥巴马不同,肯尼迪是有益的,或者至少没有有害。

  235. Alden 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    根据美国法典查找叛国罪的定义。 杀死总统是谋杀,而不是叛国罪。

    只需在任何搜索引擎中输入“叛国罪的定义”。

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  236. tac 说:
    @Paul Jolliffe

    这是一个关于尸检和头骨碎片的视频(***警告:图形***):

    这是击中(JKF 和 Connally)的子弹轨迹及其最可能的起源(以及另一个涉及 Jack[ob] Ruby[enstein] 下落的“巧合”):

  237. anon[228]• 免责声明 说:
    @David In TN

    肯尼迪在想
    1 降低中情局的威望和阴谋
    2 他打算恢复对古巴的不干涉主义态度
    3 他正在考虑与苏联建立更好的关系

    4 他计划摆脱法定货币并减少美联储的权力

    5 他计划消除以色列的核野心
    6 他正在考虑给巴勒斯坦一个更好的交易

    7 他对升级越南不感兴趣

    ——这么多的力量联合起来,对着他碰撞。

    性丑闻可能伤害了他,也可能没有伤害他那是不同的时间,他不是同性恋。

  238. Alden 说:
    @jdf

    我知道以色列人杀死了 Forrestal,但我不知道 LBJ 前一天晚上拜访了他。

  239. gsjackson 说:
    @Alden

    好点。 需要明确的是,我现在将以色列作为主要推动者的论点,所以你所说的削弱了对主要竞争对手中央情报局的指控。 我确实认为涉及中央情报局的元素,正如塔尔博特所说,比尔哈维可能从欧洲黑手党那里得到了三名枪手。

  240. tac 说:
    @Sparkon

    观看 Secrect Service 特工 Clint Hill(JFK 细节的左侧)对 Secret Serivce Don Lawton(JFK 细节的右侧)耸耸肩系列的荒谬解释,以回应 Emory Roberts 的停职令(来自 @14:00- 14:59):
    “好的,..你们,我要去吃午饭了……祝你旅途愉快”

    • 回复: @tac
    , @Alden
  241. gsjackson 说:
    @Alden

    我从来没有注意到在我从事刑法的弗吉尼亚司法管辖区的法庭上没有动机。 法官们可能对此不感兴趣,因为他们见过成千上万的被告,并且知道其中 99.5% 只是极其愚蠢和不诚实,但陪审团肯定是。

  242. Goatweed 说:

    从TSBD六楼找回LBJ同伙的指纹有什么解释吗?

  243. Sean 说:
    @Anon

    按照惯例,以色列对阿拉伯人来说太强大了,而美国无论如何都支持以色列。 核武器只是作为最后手段威胁美国,“如果你不帮助我们,我们将需要对阿拉伯人进行核打击”。 美国永远不会让它变成那样。 核武器是一种奢侈品,证明了以色列与美国的特殊关系。 看在上帝的份上,美国在 1952 年给了以色列一个核反应堆!

  244. tac 说:
    @tac

    我应该提到 Vince Palamara 的视频(我链接的两个视频中的第一个)应该完整观看(而不仅仅是 Clint Hill 的采访,因为有些人可能会解释我的原始评论),因为 Vince 是花费研究肯尼迪暗杀事件中特勤局角度的最多时间。

  245. Si1ver1ock 说:
    @Alden

    美国的叛国罪被定义为对美国发动战争

    杀死美国总统是一种战争行为,如果有的话。

    如果你想知道谁 他们 是的,好好看看这个标题。

    特朗普将部分肯尼迪文件的发布推迟到 2021 年,以应对国家安全问题

    仔细阅读。 某个人,某个不知名的人, 迫使美国总统屈服于他们的意愿。 在我们的宪法政府形式中,谁拥有这种权力?

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-trump-jfk-files-20180426-story.html

  246. Anonymouse 说:
    @gsjackson

    如果我可以解释自己。 显然,一位总统取代另一位总统会产生许多结果。 一些政党将受益,而另一些则相反。 所有的优势都在事件之后。 当然,至少在理论上可以设计和执行一个阴谋而不会被抓住。 但是这样做极大地破坏了 KISS 原则(保持简单,愚蠢)。 最简单的解释是,怪人奥斯瓦尔德这样做是出于奥斯瓦尔德的原因,对此有大量证据,除非可以证明他可以 不是 已经这样做了。 有没有一本书专门说明为什么奥斯瓦尔德不可能是唯一的枪手? 如果没有明确的证据表明奥斯瓦尔德 不能 已经做到了,根据谁因阴谋的发生而受益来发现阴谋似乎是不必要的。 即使某某占了优势,这本身也不能证明某某有阴谋。 这就是我想说的:识别那些有优势的人并不能反驳奥斯瓦尔德是唯一的杀手。 这就是为什么我怀疑他是。

    • 回复: @lysias
    , @Marty
  247. Anonymous [又名“钻石的保险档案”] 说:

    “作为阴谋人士压倒性焦点的所有各种反肯尼迪团体都没有太多理由冒这样的直接风险,但约翰逊和以色列做到了”[225]

    (1) 什么风险? 有罪不罚意味着如果你被抓住,什么也不会发生。 中央情报局以十种不同的方式被抓住了,65 年过去了,什么也没发生。 现在,他们有一个公开卷入构成危害人类罪的系统性和广泛性酷刑的 DCI。 如果他们把一个解冻的希特勒胚胎放在那把椅子上,他们就不会更操蛋了。

    (2) 将谋杀作为最后手段的想法与国家行为不一致,这表明政变具有示范性信号功能。

    https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/FalseMystery/ThePainesRoleInHistory.html

    正如 lysias 上面所说,“暗杀是公开处决。 数数的人应该明白发生了什么。 此举旨在恐吓任何可能想模仿肯尼迪的人。” 现在,所有名义上的美国国家元首都知道要等待指示。

  248. lysias 说:
    @Anonymouse

    奥斯瓦尔德被捕后接受的石蜡测试表明他那天没有开枪,这在我看来是他无罪的决定性证据。

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Anonymouse
  249. 虽然每个人都不太可能出现阴谋情景,而且几乎可以肯定,如果有阴谋,就会涉及某种异常值,无论是安格尔顿近乎偏执的疯狂,还是对风险的极度漫不经心或漠不关心(甚至是寻求刺激),尽管如此,还是值得考虑理性的冒险者可能会做什么。

    如果你让奥斯瓦尔德成为唯一的射手,你会想确保他在肯尼迪被杀时开枪。 奥斯瓦尔德的武器应该是一种可以完成工作但不指向同谋者的武器,或者最好是任何同谋者。 (检查出来)。

    你想确保杀戮,所以你安排更多的高度专业的杀手在奥斯瓦尔德开枪时使用消音器开枪。 那个射手必须使用难以区分的弹药(除了枪管标记,这表明会选择某种分解子弹)。 另一个射手也必须 *不是* 从某处射击,这可能会表明从两个(更不用说三个)不同的位置进行了射击。

    待定

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  250. F Batts 说:
    @Anonymouse

    孤独枪手理论的问题在于,你只有一颗子弹,在穿过肯尼迪机场后,在空中旋转 180 度,造成康诺利的伤口……更不用说 Zapurder 电影记录的射击是在 x螺栓动作步枪无法生产的秒数...... 更不用说所有 3 次射击都击中了他们的目标,最后击杀射击将 JFK 推向了后背而不是向前推,如果从后面开枪就可以了……简单的物理学,不是吗?

    • 回复: @ians
  251. Anon[121]• 免责声明 说:

    尽管我坚持 Oswald-done-it,但我真的很惊讶甚至西方的大众媒体在俄罗斯(和俄罗斯黑客攻击)、利比亚、叙利亚、伊朗等问题上也公开与深国发生关系许多谎言。 一切都在公开场合肆无忌惮的说出来。

    已经到了不知道该相信谁的地步。 这么多双重标准。 意识形态上盲目的人根本不在乎。 他们不在乎撒了多少谎,只要它服务于他们的叙述或偏见。

  252. @Si1ver1ock

    推迟到 2021 年有何帮助?

    之后美国会不复存在吗?

    到那时,所有可能希望复仇的人都会死吗?

    • 回复: @Si1ver1ock
  253. @Si1ver1ock

    至于为什么推迟,除非你认为有关于中央情报局或以色列参与的致命泄露信息是隐藏的,并且那些评估要发布的材料的人知道这是一个实时问题,你将关注官僚的典型和正常行为“安全总比后悔好”的所有级别都很容易出现在舌头上,即使这只是为了让一些年迈的寡妇免于遭受可能是无耻诽谤的痛苦,而且每个这样的问题都需要几天的时间来处理——没有任何可能性都与每一个人打交道。

  254. tac 说:

    2011 年 XNUMX 月对 Michael Collins Piper 的出色采访(最终判决):

    更多在这里:

  255. Alden 说:
    @tac

    这是我对狗使用的许可手势。 我们吃饭的时候,我不允许他们进厨房或餐厅。 当我修理他们的食物时,他们不允许闲逛。

    当我修理他们的食物时,他们必须坐下或躺下至少 5 英尺远。 当我为他们把食物放在地板上时,他们不允许起床,直到我做出那个手势。 然后他们就可以过来吃饭了。

    同样的手势,通过一扇门,进出车。

    对于人类来说,这看起来还不错,我们到此为止了,去做点其他的事情吧。

  256. Alden 说:
    @Si1ver1ock

    杀害总统被定义为谋杀,而不是战争行为。

    • 回复: @Si1ver1ock
  257. @Tyrion 2

    好想法。 没有必要仅仅因为他是一个与犯罪组织有联系的卑鄙小人就假设他不是一个易变的多愁善感的人。

  258. @Alden

    是的,有人能说明当时和现在注册的后果吗? 任何人都可以与其他注册的外国代理人的活动和活动进行比较吗?

    在我看来,诉讼是暗杀前通常要采取的步骤。 除非我们考虑可能有哪些论据的诉讼,否则我看不出外国代理人的注册问题是肯尼迪暗杀之谜的一部分。 事实上,你怀疑这是一个红鲱鱼,因为我们可能在法律上合法的 AIPAC 解决方案。 事实上,我猜第一修正案会反对强迫 AIPAC 注册*因为它无疑完全由美国犹太人的资金资助”。 事实上,我想知道这个问题是如何引起任何人的注意的。 以色列本身如此依赖美国犹太人的钱,怎么可能还需要“外国代理人”? 有人会说杰布·布什的妻子用她的钱为墨西哥的利益而设立的基金会必须注册为外国代理人吗?

  259. bj 说:

    以弗所书 6:12 钦定版 (KJV)

    12因为我们不要反对血肉,而是反对霸权,反对权力,反对这个世界黑暗的统治者,反对高处的精神邪恶。

    刺杀约翰·肯尼迪总统是卡米洛特国王的公开牺牲。 黑暗势力企图强奸美国人的心灵。 刽子手利用公众的奇观、震惊和逍遥法外,在美国意识中烙下印记,即具有权力、意志、记忆和狂妄自大的邪恶势力理解和控制世界、其机构和人民,就好像我们只是屠宰场中的羊。 我们被邀请观看和崇拜邪恶展示的狡猾、力量和免疫力,因为我们的服从、默许和服务。 这是人类不能也不会抗拒的选择,除了残余。

    暗杀是一部心理剧,是一种心理操作,使人类的思想为蜂巢警察国家做好准备,人类社区、信任、爱、创造力、传统和愿望都被谋杀了。 认真,天真的头脑被奇观的细节迷住了! 我们凝视着全球集中营的恐怖。 它是娱乐和对工作、美丽、永恒和在人类尊严精神的长期上升过程中我们可能和曾经的记忆的娱乐和分心。 我们靠马戏团和面包生活,恐惧和贪婪,没有希望,只是农场里的动物,不敢超越细节和背后; 但是潜意识知道,所以我们生活在对折磨者和精神强奸者的恐惧和崇拜中。 然而.....最强大的思想敢于看到、记住和活着,就像HUBRIS摧毁这座巴别塔一样等待新时代的种子!

    • 同意: MacNucc11
  260. 像 9/11 和其他高级别虚假标志一样,我们永远不会知道完整的故事,因为大多数参与者只是服从命令并扮演次要角色,只有少数处于金字塔顶端的值得信赖的犹太复国主义者完全了解所有细节。 这就解释了为什么这么多善意的人不理会像 9/11 和肯尼迪遇刺这样的明显阴谋,并评论说如果这是一个阴谋,那么肯定有人会撒谎并提出细节,而没有意识到没有一个可以说话的人知道足够的细节来撒谎。

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  261. 读完杰夫·盖茨的著作后,我确信以色列的核心同谋 协会内. 我相信约翰逊的犹太复国主义床友玛蒂尔德克里姆可能有助于激发他对亲以色列的同情,并使他有资格获得摩萨德服务的青睐,将他提升为美国总统。

    • 回复: @Brewer
    , @Wizard of Oz
  262. peterAUS 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    ......使用消音器......

    步枪、枪口速度、超音速裂纹、定制子弹、弹道/弹道表/归零……
    ..... 消音器,亚音速精度....弹道学/弹道表/归零
    …..抑制器……子弹速度弹道学/弹道表/归零……。

    像这样的东西。

  263. @lysias

    但那是他们偏执的冷战思维说的。

    那是自由左翼的看法,当然。 但自由左派是右派吗? 世界被共产主义集团和北约瓜分。 如果美国和欧洲走向共产主义,那不仅对富豪精英及其追随者,而且对大多数自由左翼精英来说,都意味着一颗子弹。 在那些日子里,Commies 不是娘们,他们杀了属于错误社会阶层的人。

    事实上,西方之所以打败共产党,只是因为(a)他们拥有核武器来威慑苏联的侵略;(b)苏联如此腐败,毛领导下的中国人如此疯狂,打败他们并不难。 但感知到的危险是现实的真实反映。

  264. @Alden

    根据美国法典查找叛国罪的定义。 杀死总统是谋杀,而不是叛国罪。

    我从来没有说过杀死总统是叛国罪。 我说:

    肯尼迪未能与共产党保持坚定的路线,在古巴的导弹问题上,在猪湾问题上的古巴以及在越南,他计划在 64 年大选后撤军。 这是叛国

    • 回复: @Alden
  265. Si1ver1ock 说:
    @Peripatetic commenter

    推迟到 2021 年有何帮助?

    1. 特朗普可能不会在 2021 年成为总统。

    2.谁说他们不会再拖延10年。

    3.老乔治布什可能不再和我们在一起。

  266. tac 说:
    @tac

    肯尼迪豪华轿车挡风玻璃弹孔特写:

    • 回复: @tac
  267. Alden 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    再次,查找叛国罪的定义。 肯尼迪没有犯叛国罪。

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  268. Alden 说:

    迈尔斯·马西斯认为肯尼迪和肯尼迪家族出于邪恶目的伪造了他的暗杀。

  269. @peterAUS

    并且,会加上“社会危机”。
    当危机发生时,权力很可能被组织得最好的团体接管。

    至于西方,我能想到的唯一危机就是经济。
    或者,不会有任何变化,更不用说革命,而普通人有足够的面包和马戏团。

    好的,“组”是可以接受的,尽管该组似乎不会占多数。 😉

    还有,“社会危机”? 什么社会危机引发了美国革命? 十月革命? 剩下的呢? 我承认对法国大革命至关重要的社会危机,但我相信制度不公正更常见。

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  270. Dube 说:
    @Ron Unz

    如果正如乔利夫先生所指出的那样,掩盖......呃响应步骤开始在贝塞斯达的首都 M 军队领导下。 作为一个“派系”,这是相当庞大的,确实是一个必要条件。

  271. peterAUS 说:
    @Dillon Sweeny

    嗯,这是一个相当大/广泛的话题。
    取决于很多变量,将是最好的答案。
    不是警察。

    是什么触发了胡图族/图西族“事件”?
    是什么触发了巴尔干“游戏”?

    我绝对肯定的是,这里的人比我们所有人都聪明得多,可以访问我们无法梦想的资金和数据,有一份全职工作来评估这一点,并向权力推荐采取行动/不作为的方案在任何严肃的国家。

    因此,我认为,要认真讨论什么可能引发危机以及基于希腊的危机可能会发生什么,我认为与奥地利、西班牙或……等完全不同。

    至于美国,好吧,甚至不能开始认真考虑这一点。

    话虽如此,我认为您在这里有所作为:

    ....我相信制度上的不公正更常见。

    很久以前读过一本书,说特工是中产阶级开始相信制度不公正的时候。 或者,更好的是,当中产阶级不想在当前游戏中扮演当前角色时。
    当中产阶级想要游戏改变。

    这样的事情。

  272. @David In TN

    我省略了主要原因,因为它在文章中。 主要原因是“时间”。
    黑手党没有时间。 罗恩在他的帖子中清楚地说明了这一点。

    “它只需要一个新闻故事就可以开始。”……你需要时间来做这件事,但你不确定结果。 肯尼迪可能会也可能不会输掉下一次选举。

    当然,没有人能够证明摩萨德做到了。 在此生中,没有什么真正重要的事情是无法证明的。
    但一个理性的人可以得出的结论是,黑手党(以色列)有动机和手段。
    以及掩盖的手段……除非一个人天真或不诚实,否则人们知道谁几乎完全控制了美国所有的权力部门,至少自 1945 年以来,以及自 1963 年以来的完全控制权。

    你能举一个卡特“敢不服从”的例子吗?
    嗯,也可以说,连奥巴马都“敢违抗”,没杀他……

    “为什么以色列不暗杀艾森豪威尔?”……

    我不知道,但他们可能考虑过。 也许他们没有他们需要的所有资源。

    杀死其他人只是黑手党 DNA 的一部分。 谁在杀害伊朗的科学家?
    我相信这是摩萨德在美国和欧洲秘密机构的帮助下。
    我能证明吗? 没有人可以。
    再次:谁有动机和手段?

    也许一个有趣的问题是他们为什么选择处决肯尼迪而不是使用毒药?

    我不是黑手党专家,但我相信主要原因是让肯尼迪成为一个例子。

    我坚持认为,在肯尼迪之后,没有其他“美国”总统敢违抗。 他们可能傻也可能不傻,但他们都知道谁是老大。

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
    , @David In TN
  273. ians 说:
    @F Batts

    更不用说穿过肯尼迪脖子的原始子弹路径从一开始就无法启动。 伤口在背部(可能来自 Daltex 大楼的一枪),那个弹孔只能探测到半个手指长。 它没有穿过身体,所以,显然,不可能对康纳利造成伤害。 不可否认,福特将描述更改为子弹击中了颈部。
    至于那个不断吹嘘奥斯瓦尔德带着步枪上班的无名小丑。 弗雷泽和他的姐姐有证据表明包裹在他的手中并放在他的腋下,这是不可动摇的。 因此,太短不能成为步枪。
    枪击发生时,奥斯瓦尔德正在午餐室。 据推测,枪击事件发生后,他跑下楼梯时,两名女员工正在楼梯上,两人都明确声明没有人从她们身边跑过。

    • 回复: @Sparkon
    , @Alden
    , @Alden
  274. @James Brown

    有人,忘了是谁,对克林顿说“公开 UFO 信息”。
    据报道,克林顿回答说“他们会杀了我”。
    假设这是真的,那么“他们”是谁?
    一位美国海军上将在他去世前不久在视频中记录了“通过像真空吸尘器这样大的设备为每个家庭提供他们所需能量的技术是众所周知的,但它可能永远不会被使用”。
    想想如果石油、天然气和煤炭一夜之间变得一文不值,后果会怎样。
    我不知道该怎么想,但也许罗斯威尔提供了这项技术。
    E=MC² 仍然是真的,但我们不知道怎么做,除了火等,核聚变和核裂变。
    通过这些方法,将非常小的质量转化为能量。

  275. jdf 说:
    @jdf

    这是在他的长篇文章“谁杀死了詹姆斯福雷斯特”中。 (http://dcdave.com/article4/021110.html)

  276. Brewer 说:
    @Jett Rucker

    约翰逊在遇到克里姆之前很久就是一名犹太复国主义者。

    揭露 LBJ 亲犹太人活动的一个关键资源是德克萨斯大学学生 Louis Gomolak 1989 年未发表的博士论文,“序言:LBJ 的外交背景,1908-1948”。 约翰逊的活动在与他的妻子、家人和政治伙伴的采访中得到了其他历史学家的证实。 对约翰逊个人历史的研究表明,他从家人那里继承了对犹太人的关心。 他的姑姑杰西·约翰逊·海切尔(Jessie Johnson Hatcher)对 LBJ 产生了重大影响,她是美国犹太复国主义组织的成员……
    根据历史学家 James M. Smallwood 的说法,国会议员约翰逊使用合法的、有时是非法的方法将“数百名犹太人偷运到德克萨斯州,使用加尔维斯顿作为入境口岸。 足够的钱可以在古巴、墨西哥和其他拉丁美洲国家购买假护照和假签证…… 约翰逊将犹太人的船只和飞机走私到德克萨斯州。 他把他们藏在德克萨斯国家青年管理局......
    根据戈莫拉克的说法,诺维和约翰逊随后为巴勒斯坦的犹太地下战士筹集了一笔非常可观的军火款项。 历史学家引用的一位消息人士报道说,“诺维和约翰逊一直在秘密地将标有‘德克萨斯葡萄柚’但装有武器的重型板条箱运送给巴勒斯坦的犹太地下‘自由战士’。” ……
    ..在参议院任职期间,约翰逊阻止了艾森豪威尔政府在 1956 年西奈战役之后对以色列实施制裁的企图。 “不知疲倦的约翰逊从未停止对政府施加压力,”当时的 AIPAC 负责人 IL “Si” Kenen 写道。 作为参议院多数党领袖,约翰逊一直阻止他的民主党同胞、参议院外交关系委员会主席威廉富布赖特的反以色列倡议。 在此期间,约翰逊最亲密的顾问中有几位强烈的亲以色列支持者,包括本杰明·科恩……
    https://www.jpost.com/Features/A-friend-in-deed

    • 同意: Iris
    • 回复: @renfro
  277. @lysias

    如果这不是您作为专家的意见,而您所依赖的专家意见是您所依赖的,为什么沃伦委员会不接受该意见?

    沃伦委员会以及随后的众议院特别委员会对此类证据有何评论?

    对不起,如果我觉得奇怪,匿名博主可以发现所谓的测试的所谓结果如此确凿,以形成他对重要问题的意见,而无需询问那些负责评估由它制成的证据并与结果相关的人他的调查以支持或限定他的意见。

  278. @Dube

    准确地说,华盛顿海军医院的尸检是由海军控制的,而海军在很大程度上处于约翰逊的控制之下。 约翰逊曾推动提名德克萨斯人约翰康纳利为海军部长,然后是弗雷德科斯(他刚刚因为同样威胁到 LBJ 的腐败丑闻而被迫辞职)。 顺便说一下,奥斯瓦尔德也是一名海军陆战队员,为 ONI(海军情报办公室)工作,而不是中央情报局。

    • 回复: @Dube
  279. @Sean

    对于一些知道犹太复国主义犹太人自 1945 年或 1845 年以来就控制了一切重要事物的人来说,这些信息和想法有点太多了。有道理。

  280. @Carroll Price

    垃圾。 如果有人是参与拆除世贸中心大楼的数十人之一,他们就会有足够的信息来证明官方版本是错误的。 如果有人是达拉斯其他所谓的射手之一,或者只是帮助他们逃跑的司机,他们可能会吹嘘沃伦委员会的版本。

    • 回复: @MacNucc11
    , @Carroll Price
  281. @Jett Rucker

    这样做的问题是赋予以色列一个足够强大的动机去冒险暗杀其一个不可或缺的盟友的受欢迎的总统。 确实,您无疑会在以色列的特勤局中找到犹太复国主义暴徒,也许在内阁中,他们会不择手段,但您必须努力工作,看看他们将如何以及为什么要管理以奥斯瓦尔德为中心的阴谋他们的同事——很可能还有他们的联系人——认为这太疯狂了。 甚至会有意想不到的人有顾忌的风险。 诚然,一旦发生,体面的资深人士的选择可能会归结为掩盖而不是坦白和请求宽恕。 Imagination 提供了各种场景,包括“别担心:我们可以提供与约翰逊对话的证据,即使这不能证明他有先见之明和认可,他也不想向任何人解释”。

    我看不出摩萨德的流氓对以色列核武器形势的现实有足够强烈的感觉,以至于他们自己动手做这件事,而内阁不会冒险这样做。 PM 也不占主导地位。

  282. @CanSpeccy

    杀死美国总统显然不是每个人的菜单,但它总是涉及严重的冒险,因此很可能是不平衡或狂热无情的人的工作。 我同意你的观点,即中央情报局的一个小集团比以色列人更有可能并愿意组织它。 但显然 RFK 怀疑的古巴关系在鲍勃·贝尔的讲述中似乎很有道理。

    The problem is that none of the scenarios were a priori probable. It matters a great deal that forensic detail be known precisely. What does it say, for example, that conspirators who could rely on Oswald firing identifiable bullets from the Book Depository yet arranged to make sure Kennedy died by firing different weapons from one or more completely different positions and angles?

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  283. @Carroll Price

    If you want to compare, you have to compare the two vice-presidents: on 9/11, George W. was neutralized, turned into a dummy, the next thing to a corpse, and Cheney effectively was running the country (as a mercanary for the neocon zionists).

    • 回复: @James Brown
    , @Carroll Price
  284. jdf 说:
    @jdf

    I just did a Google search for “dark enlightenment.” I intended no reference to other books or blogs on the internet. I only meant to image “waking into darkness.” A kind of enlightenment, but not of the “sunlit rationalism” variety.

  285. Anonymous[301]• 免责声明 说:

    One of the great things about the Unz Review is that the comments are usually as interesting as the articles. Thanks for the forum! Lots of fun.

  286. Anonymouse 说:
    @lysias

    With all the details explained different ways, why could not that test be faked by the conspirators? It seems to me that conspiracy buffs are falling down an infinite rabbit’s hole. Posner claims that the first bullet missed and the second and third were about 6 seconds apart.

  287. @Achilles

    Wow! I haven’t begun to formulate a scenario in which Mossad and Cuba might have combined forces. I wonder if anyone else has.

  288. @tac

    I can’t see any bullet holes but I’ve listened to the very long David Weldon interview/exposition and it is hard to mount more than minor quibbles. I wonder if he provides much of Ron’s reasons for believing in more than one shooter?

    • 回复: @tac
  289. 恩兹先生

    Many thanks for writing this and helping revive Mike Piper’s legacy. Near the end of his life I had the great pleasure of being able to call him a friend after having been a fan of his for many years.

    When I saw part 1 of your essay I was afraid it was going to be another milquetoast discovery that something was up. But today I saw that Mike’s book was featured right above your article on your site so I read part 2 and I am very glad I did. Good for you.

    最良好的祝愿,

    MT

  290. Kingfelix 说:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The problem is there is strong evidence the Zapruder film was doctored/frames removed, so making inferences from it is problematic.

  291. @Ron Unz

    You make a good prima facie case for Johnson having the strongest motive but
    1. How does your account of everything relevant to do with Johnson check out with the Robert Caro biography which I haven’t read but seems to be highly respected?
    2. Where can one read what was about to be unloaded on Johnson in the Kennedy favouring MSM?
    3. When and what did Johnson know about that threat to his future?
    4. If Johnson had to start the plotting as soon as he was apprised of that threat how could and did he go about it – or should we believe that he was able to take advantage of the happy coincidence of conspirators ready to go who needed to know that he wouldn’t pursue them or indeed allow them to be pursued? (As Attorney-General RFK could clearly have set some investigations and preservations of evidence in train. So it is worth asking what he did even if he were only investigating the Cubans and the mob as Schlesinger’s diaries record him as suspecting. A further thought: RFK may well have become more comprehensive in his suspicion of conspiracy as the successive conspiracy theorists ideas were aired and some of the evidence began to appear in a fresh light or to have been suppressed or corrupted. Could that provide a partial reconciliation with the Bugliosi view that RFK accepted the Warren version?).

    • 回复: @Alden
  292. MacNucc11 说:
    @Kiza

    I do not subscribe to the mafia theory because the mafia is too disjointed and competing interests. The two criminal groups with the most to gain were Israel and the CIA. Sure some mob figures were used but only to help though.

  293. MacNucc11 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Carroll Price is correct. You missed the part obviously where she stated “in a position to talk.” If you are one of the shooters of JFK who are you going to talk to where you are not simply killed first?
    Besides the people that they trust with that kind of information they are sure of. Those people know they and their whole family will perish if they betray the plot. The rest of the people know very little.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  294. MacNucc11 说:
    @David In TN

    You are forgetting also that JFK was not without a considerable PR machine that could adeptly counter any such attempt. Besides it is not as if such would have guaranteed his removal from office. Can you cite such and example where a president has been removed over a sexual scandal? The other thing you need to remember is whoever would expose such would also be tipping their hand that they wanted him out.

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @David In TN
  295. @lysias

    Well, since most of us won’t have the time to read these five volumes, can you summarize what they say or suggest about the present case?

    • 回复: @lysias
  296. @James Brown

    “我不知道…”

    You don’t know much of anything.

    • 回复: @James Brown
  297. @Laurent Guyénot

    “George W. was neutralized, turned into a dummy,”

    May I suggest to you that you are wrong ?

    George W. Bush wasn’t “neutralized and turned into a dummy”. G.W.Bush wouldn’t never been “elected” president, if those who control the USA weren’t sure that he wasn’t going to do what he was told to do. And one of the qualities the forces who colonized the USA like in their president is ambition and stupidity. GWB had both. He wanted to go further than his father..And he succeeded. He was elected twice and he was a war president, therefore a “great president”.

    “Cheney effectively was running the country (as a mercanary for the neocon zionists).”

    That is also, IMHO, a mistake. Not all of those serving Zionists are their “mercenary”.

    One of the reasons why Zionism is so powerful is because they find in white Anglo-Saxon tradition (well represented by Cheney, Trump, Clintons and other disgusting creatures) the same world-view, same values, same hate of others,Islamophobia, deep racism etc…which makes it easy to co-opt, convince lots of gentiles to work for “the cause”.

    One should distinguish between mediocre and ambitious guys like GWB, Tony Blair etc…who are willing to sell their mother, their country, their soul to achieve power, and guys like Trump and Cheney.

    Trump and Cheney are really dangerous. They really believe in the cause. They are honorary members of the tribe. They can even marry their daughters into the tribe.

    And of course , one should never forget that it’s not only wasp that are compatible with Zionist’s world view.

    One of the most important member of Zionist enterprise is, as you know, The House of Saud

    • 同意: Carroll Price
    • 回复: @prusmc
  298. MacNucc11 说:
    @Jeff Stryker

    What was Joe DiMaggio’s connection to the mob? In his book Michael Collins Piper demonstrates that the Kennedy mob connection was more Jewish than Italian. Meyer Lansky, Mickey Cohen and Jack Ruby and Joe Kennedy had dealings with the Stern Gang. Many Italian Americans admired the Kennedy’s simply because they were Catholic. I can speak for my own family.

    • 回复: @Carroll Price
  299. lysias 说:
    @Tono Bungay

    Horne’ s five volumes make very clear what a fraud the Bethesda autopsy was, meant above all to conceal the fact that JFK was shot from the front.

    • 回复: @James N. Kennett
  300. @David In TN

    Dit it hurt ?

    It wasn’t my intention. I thought your “questions” and “doubts” were sincere. I tried to answer them.

    When I don’t know something, I have no problem in saying so.

    As you know a lot, maybe you can teach me.

    Just kidding. No need to reply.

  301. @Alden

    Kennedy did not commit treason.

    In the view of those who, at the time, accused Kennedy of treason, he had betrayed his country by failing to face up to to the Communist menace. Got it now?

    • 回复: @Alden
  302. tac 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Which means you are not looking objectively…deflection is an Israeli (Israeli-firster) tactic used to perfection my (((Australian))) friend, yet when one REALLY takes a magnifying glass to the major events of at least the past century one can deduce the common denominator in the political tectonic shifts as none other than Israel and its very (Israeli-firster) interests. You and your partners are very busy these days indeed deflecting, but rest assured there are those out there who are wise to said tactics …. 🙂

  303. @Wizard of Oz

    But the Cuban connection, which apparently RFK suspected, seemed plausible enough in the telling by Bob Baer.

    But according to other accounts RFK held LBJ responsible, Kennedy saying to Johnson:

    “Why’d you have my brother killed?”

    In any case, from the testimony of the experienced doctors and trauma surgeons who attended on the dying president at Parkland Hospital, I accept as established beyond reasonable doubt that the fatal head shot did not come from behind the President’s car, i.e., from the Texas School Book Depository, where Oswald was supposed to have been shooting.

    就是说 as I have discussed here, that the Warren Commission Report was a cover up. And if the Warren Commission Report was a cover up, then it almost certainly covered up a conspiracy to murder involving the government.

    So who in the Government? Obviously, that branch of government responsible for the assassination of heads of state; namely, the CIA. And if the killing was undertaken by the CIA, then it would certainly have required bipartisan political authorization, specifically from LBJ and, on the Republican side, quite likely Richard Nixon.

    As I have discussed here, in the political context of the time, this makes perfectly good sense. In the aftermath of the World War, America stood virtually alone against Communism, and Kennedy repeatedly failed to stand firm against that menace. This, in view of many among the elite, amounted to treason. Kennedy had to go.

    • 回复: @MacNucc11
  304. Alden 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    The only person who accused Kennedy of treason was that John Birch society anti communist Weissmsn who paid for an ad in the Dallas newspapers.

    Weiss man was a private citizen and that was his opinion of Kennedy. It wasn’t the view of government agencies.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  305. Sparkon 说:
    @ians

    Oswald was in the lunchroom when shots were fired.

    No, I don’t think so. Why would he stay in the lunchroom when he could watch the President pass by? It makes no sense.

    In fact, Oswald told Will Fritz he had lunch “out with Bill Shelley in front.” Indeed, just moments before Kennedy’s motorcade passed, Oswald was spotted standing inside the front door of the TSBD by another TSBD employee.

    The most likely scenario that comports with all the known evidence is that Oswald went down to the front of TSBD to eat lunch with Bill Shelley and watch the motorcade. After the President was shot, Oswald went up to the 2nd floor lunchroom to get a coke, where he was confronted by Officer Baker, as witnessed and reported by Roy Truly.

    Oswald apparently learned of the passage of the motorcade by the TSBD only on the morning of 11/22 in his conversation with fellow employee James Jarman, who has sworn in an affidavit, and was also questioned by Gerald Ford:

    Mr. JARMAN. Well, he was standing up in the window and I went to the window also, and he asked me what were the people gathering around on the corner for, and I told him that the President was supposed to pass that morning, and he asked me did I know which way he was coming, and I told him, yes; he probably come down Main and turn on Houston and then back again on Elm. Then he said, “Oh, I see,” and that was all.

    https://www.giljesus.com/evidence-oswald-did-not-know-the-motorcade-route.html

    My interpretation of the available evidence is that Oswald was photographed by Altgens standing in the doorway of the TSBD at the time the President was shot in the throat. James Fetzer and others have detected tell-tale signs of sloppy and probaly rushed editing on the Altgens photo, where Billy Lovelady’s face was pasted over Oswald’s.

    However, Lovelady was wearing a short-sleeve shirt with bold vertical stripes on 11/22, where Altgen’s photo shows Oswald wearing the same distinctive, mostly unbuttoned, long-sleeve brown tweed shirt he was wearing when arrested at the Texas theater.

    图片: 时间

    • 回复: @ians
  306. Alden 说:
    @MacNucc11

    If you weren’t there at the time you don’t realize the formidable Kennedy worshipping media machine .

    It started about 1955 nationwide when he was a Senator. The Kennedy PR was better and longer lasting than the Obama worshipping media machine.

  307. Alden 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    It doesn’t make sense to me that RFK would wait until he became president to begin an investigation of his brother’s murder.

    The Kennedy’s had hundreds of millions of dollars and at least a thousand hard core worshippers of JFK. Kroll security wasn’t founded till 1972. But there were national and international security groups in the 1960s.

    It’s just my opinion that if RFK really thought Johnson was responsible for the murder he could have just hired the best to do an investigation.

    Or maybe RFK knew it was Castro killing JFK before JFK could kill Castro.

    The truth will never come out because more than 2,000 books and hundreds of documentaries promulgated 2,000 different theories over the last 55 years.

    • 回复: @lysias
    , @CanSpeccy
    , @ians
  308. Alden 说:
    @ians

    Oswald was not charged with, or arrested, for the murder of Kennedy. He was arrested on suspicion of murdering officer Tippett. That’s all.

    Arrested on Friday afternoon he would have been brought before a judge on Monday and charged with the murder of Tippett.

    Because he had no attorney and refused the services of the Dallas Bar Association to provide him with an attorney; Oswald wasn’t really questioned by the police about either murders.

    Oswald just proclaimed I dindu nuffin I am innocent I don’t know why I was arrested during the police questioning Friday and Saturday.

    Oswald probably anticipated some kind of grandiose trial in which he represented himself and made endless speeches about the evils of capitalism like the 19 th century Russian revolutionaries did when they were on trail.

    Since Oswald was never charged with the Kennedy murder, I fail to understand why the Kennedy hobbyists are so defensive and enamoured of him.
    The Oswald defenders are almost as admiring if Oswald as the JFK worshippers are of the Kennedys.

    • 回复: @D. K.
    , @MacNucc11
    , @ians
  309. lysias 说:
    @Alden

    RFK did indeed commission experts to investigate. The experts were French intelligence. The result was the book by “James Hepburn” whose English-language title is “Farewell America,” which for years the F B I prevented from being imported into the U.S.

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Wizard of Oz
  310. @Alden

    Weiss man was a private citizen and that was his opinion of Kennedy. It wasn’t the view of government agencies.

    So I am supposed to believe what someone called “Anon” claims to know about “the view of government agencies,” if the view of government agencies had anything to do with what I said, which it doesn’t.

    Just because you are posting as “Anon,” does not exempt you from the obligation to think before you comment, and to read intelligently what you are commenting on.

  311. Alden 说:
    @ians

    So why didn’t Oswald carry the package in his hands? Putting packages in the armpit is standard shoplifter technique.
    What was in the package? A bible, Book of Mormon? Writings of Mary Baker Eddy?

    Frazier testified that the package was long and narrow like a rifle. Frazier also testified that he asked Oswald what was in the package Oswald replied curtain rods.

    No curtain rods were found in the TSBD.

    Why the admiration for this wife beating unemployable high school drop out grandiose loser?

    • 回复: @Bombercommand
  312. @Alden

    It doesn’t make sense to me that RFK would wait until he became president to begin an investigation of his brother’s murder.

    The Kennedy’s had hundreds of millions of dollars and at least a thousand hard core worshippers of JFK.

    The Kennedy’s were rich, but not that rich. JFK’s estate was worth \$10 million, according to Forbes Magazine, consistent with my recollection that he’d received \$3 million from his father. True, a million dollars was real money in those days, but if RFK had as much as his brother, why spend it on a major private investigation when, by winning the Presidency on a sympathy vote, he’d have had control of the FBI, the CIA, military intelligence and every other relevant instrument of government.

    That RFK was too dumb to let sleeping dogs lie, and known to be too dumb to let sleeping dogs lie, was surely the reason he was killed.

    如果, as reported here, JFK, Jr. told the world that the CIA killed his father while he simultaneously prepared for an entry into politics, he also was likely judged too dumb to live.

    That both Kennedy aspirants to the Presidency died young, is consistent with the presumption that the assassination of JFK was a Government job, the truth about which is to be withheld from the public indefinitely. And if that is so, it would, as I’ve argued here, have had bipartisan political support.

    So the CIA did not go rogue, it was doing the will of the elected political leadership. That the leadership decided on the necessity of removing the Head of State, is not such a bizarre conclusion to reach. Such decisions, have been made time and again throughout history.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Alden
  313. prusmc 说: • 您的网站
    @James Brown

    G W Bush started out as a benign buffoon and later revealed himself to be a vicious and unscrupulous failure. Particularly, when he sat silent for eight years of ridicule and defamination by Obama and company only to lash out at President Trump. No question he is simple, ungrateful and disloyal. That being said, I Can’t buy the argument that Israel and the big jewish money/media actual wanted him over Gore and Joe Lib. In 2000.
    LOOK NO FURTHER than the demand that Dade, Palm Beach and Broward counties be the only ones to be recounted to see where the real Zionist influence was exercised. Consider also that late absentee votes from APO or FPO addresses were not counted but late absentee ballots from Israel were declared valid.

    I despise Bush but I voted for him twice, that does not mean that Kerry or Gore would have been an improvement. Reminds me of the unmitigated love campaign for Kennedy amid the trashing of a fictious ” Right Wing Hate Machine” theme when Kennedy was assassinated. IN RETROSPECT, IT is not that Kennedy was so good and pure, He wasn’t. The kicker is that Johnson was so bad and he was able to get away with his destructive programs where as Kennedy would be check mated on similar policies.

    Going back to 2000, before the election Pat Buchanan said it best “George Bush won’t fight and Al Gore is in the other side.

    • 回复: @James Brown
  314. D. K. 说:
    @Alden

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/lee-harvey-oswald-arrested-accused-killing-jfk-1963-article-1.2431162

    “Oswald, dressed in a rumpled brown shirt, open to the waist, was arraigned before Justice of the Peace David Johnson and charged with the murder of Kennedy at 11:26 P.M. (12:26 A.M. New York time.)”

    Oswald is informed by a reporter that he has, in fact, been charged with the murder of the president:

    You obviously are an expert on the JFK assassination– aside from your not knowing what all of us who watched any of the three national networks on the night of the assassination knew.

  315. Sean 说:

    If a president is struck down by an unknown group of conspirators […] raises a very strong suspicion that he [lbj} at least had had some awareness of the plot,

    Johnson was indeed the obvious beneficary, and suspect. Johnson would seem to have the strongest possible motive to not object and to insist that his acqueiscence in the assasination of JFK was strictly on the undestanding that the assasination must not implicate him to any further extent, and, and not only look at first blush like the work of a lone patsy , but maintain that cover story and conceal the plotters existance despite an investigation of unprecedented intensity. Robert Kennedy at the Justice department had his own investigatory resources (vasty greater that Garrisons) and RFK was personally farmiliar with the personalities in the CIA who were in departments capable of mounting such a very special operation as would be required to fake a lone wolf hit by commie Oswald .
    One thing stands out immediately, the assassination was in the home state of LBJ; if he was merely a fellow traveler friendly onlooker of others’ plot he can’t have approved Dallas beforehand, or been very happy with it, given the added weight of suspicion it placed on him. John Connally being wounded took very little sting out the inherent fishiness of Texas, anti-Catholic powerbase of LBJ, being where a sniper put him in the White House.

    If the plot succeeded and Johnson became president, the conspirators must surely have felt reasonably confident that they would be protected rather than tracked down … the only means of ensuring this would be to sound him out about the plan, at least in some vague manner, and obtain his passive acquiesce.

    The conspiracy would not know for certain what Johnson would do if they violated the spirit of caveats he would surely place on his approval in principle for the assasination of JFK. If the plotters assassinated Kenedy in Johnson’s home state, not exactly excupatory of his possible involvment, Johnson’s reaction would be very uncertain at best, unless he was actually in on the operational planning stage and approved the Dallas location. To be a a central figure in the subsequent cover-up, Johnson would have to have done more than equivically think out loud about an accident or illness geting him the into the Oval Office, he would have to have requested a dead pres and taken steps to bring about Kennedy’s death so that the plotters knew he was one of them.

    Lyndon Johnson being a homocidal Boss Hogg type with Texas law enforcement in his pocket and gunmen at his disposal would raise the question in the minds of the assasination team’ of their life expectancy after the asassination. Once JBJ was president, the higher reaches of the conspiracy , especially those used to sound out Johnson or otherwise known to him would surely fear their demise had become expedient. However, if Johnson was as ruthless and conected to murders as Stone says, why would he wait to to have it suggested, and why would he need the CIA?

    Texas presumably has a police intelligence files and there were private investigators keeping an eye on communists (for Birchites and people like Nelson Bunker hunt). Oswald might well have come to the attention of an assasination team commissioned by Johnson. That would explain why it was done in Dallas where Johnson could keep it tight, the proqutity raised suspicions, but would be the only place he could do it–and with the perfect patsy. A Texas location Johnson-sanctioned assasination with firearms required a patsy and complicated staging. This comment section ids full of people saying the whole thing was obviously faked, but the risk odf a ballistic snafu would be unavoidable for a parochial Johnson hit.

    The CIA on the other hand has labs and expert doctors at its disposal. John F. Kennedy did not enjoy robust health and suffered from Addisons disease requiring poewerful hormones He also had meth amphetamine injections from the notorios medic Dr. Feelgood often demanding more than even the good doctor thought advisable (on one ocassion JFK, high as a kite, stripped naked and pranced through the corridors of a hotel while the secret service watched aghast). I think Stone (and Lazenby) is right, LBJ is the best bet for a conspiracy, bearing in mind where and how Kennedy actually was killed . Bill Harvey using ZR/rifle personell are second favourites in my book.

    High level CIA involvemt seems much less likely becuase they could have overdosed him and had his his preexisting medical condition (lied about by the Kennedy family and their physicians) and drug use to explain his death. That way (switching bottles in his doctor’s bag) would be less accident prone and require less resources and delay than using rifles in a public event where film cameras were a posibility and trying to pin it all on a patsy.
    The timing being not long after Mongoose was cancelled suggests Harvey, it does not particular;y implicate Johnson though because Kennedy needed him to win Texas and be reelected. Whether Kennedy would have held fast with pressure on Israel and its organised Lobby despite that hurting his chances of getting reelected is a moot point, unless you think he was a man who would rather be right than be President.

    • 回复: @prusmc
    , @lysias
    , @Wizard of Oz
  316. MacNucc11 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    You are correct on everything but bi-partisan support. This was not party politics. A hit on Kennedy would not have even had democratic support much less bi-partisan support. The fact that LBJ helped cover up does not indicate anything close to democratic party support.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  317. MacNucc11 说:
    @Alden

    If Oswald was not to be charged with the murder of Kennedy then why are lone nutters everywhere sure he did it?

  318. @MacNucc11

    You are correct on everything but bi-partisan support.

    Whether the CIA killed Kennedy with bipartisan political suport is, obviously, a hypothesis only. No one has provided proof that LBJ gave the CIA the nod on the Kennedy assassination, and no one can prove that Richard Nixon gave any support either, although the Howard Hunt connections with Oswald in Mexico City, with the Dealey Plaza tramps, and the Watergate buglary, provide a reasonable basis for suspicion. In any case, the idea that the CIA is a law unto itself, beyond political control, is itself a hypothesis that I find unconvincing.

    • 回复: @TS/SCI/TURNIPTRUCK
    , @Sean
  319. @Alden

    Anon(257), the Carcano Modello 91/38 with 21 inch barrel is 40.12 inches in length. With receiver/barrel removed from the stock( the Carcano is NOT a takedown), the longest piece is 34.8 inches( that would be the stock). I am 6’2″ with long arms and placing a yardstick in my armpit(no shirt) I can hold a maximum length of 25 inches to my hand. There is also the width of the buttstock, and the width of the scope and mount and the width of the magazine, a very unwieldy package. In short, Anon(257), you lose.

    • 同意: Iris, ians
  320. prusmc 说: • 您的网站
    @Sean

    Hardly a man who would rather be right and a patriot than be President.

    THROUGHOUT both threads there have been references to Bill Harvey of the CIA, is there any definitive biography or study about his life and Times?

  321. Iris 说:

    Homer Echevarria; ” Taking care of Kennedy=

    On November 21, 1963, a government informant named Thomas Mosley was negotiating the sale of machine guns to a Cuban exile named Echevarria. In the course of the transaction, Echevarria said that “we now have plenty of money – our new backers are Jews” and would close the arms deal “as soon as we [or they] take care of Kennedy.” Echevarria also expressed a favourable opinion of LBJ. The next day, Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas.

    Mosley reported his conversation to the Secret Service. On 26 Nov 1963, the SS wrote:
    “Investigation by the Chicago office did not disclose any violation under our jurisdiction and check-ups never initiated. Subject not interviewed.”

    https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Homer_Echevarria_-_Taking_Care_of_Kennedy.html

    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10490#relPageId=363

  322. Iris 说:

    Late President Gaddafi on the murder of President Kennedy:

    ” Kennedy decided to monitor the Dimona nuclear plant. He insisted on doing so in order to determine whether or not it produced nuclear weapons.
    The Israelis refused, but he insisted.
    This crisis was resolved with the resignation of Ben-Gurion. He resigned so he would not have to agree to the monitoring of the Dimona plant.
    And then he gave the green light for the killing of President Kennedy=

    • 回复: @lysias
    , @Sean
  323. @MacNucc11

    In his 1991 book, “The Crisis Years,” historian Michael Beschloss wrote:

    “Kennedy knew that sexual compromise and blackmail was one of the oldest instruments of espionage. In the America of the early 1960’s, if the president was shown to have slept with a woman not his wife, his political career would have been gravely damaged. If that woman was shown to be connected in some important way with a Soviet bloc government, he would have almost surely been thrown out of office.”

    • 回复: @MacNucc11
  324. @CanSpeccy

    “In any case, the idea that the CIA is a law unto itself, beyond political control, is itself a hypothesis that I find unconvincing.”

    Yes, you’ve made multiple unsupported assertions to that effect. What part of the Huston memo, the IIPA, the operational files exemption, and the political questions doctrine do you find unconvincing? What part of 50 U.S.C. §403w “shall be final and conclusive and shall not be subject to review by any court” do you find unconvincing?

    CIA is not out of control, it’s firmly in control. The DCI can designate his crimes a state secret. That is arbitrary power negating the idea of rule of law. 1949 marked the end of the ancien régime. Your notion that an entity with absolute sovereignty needs a ‘nod’ from someone is a relic of those days of yore. Do you mean to contradict Fletcher Prouty, who was there at inception, and watched CIA systematically consolidate its policy and programmatic initiative? Feel free to debunk him in depth:

    https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ST/ST.html

    The US government is CIA, full stop.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  325. Iris 说:

    President Kennedy on secret societies and their hijacking of the government:

    ” The very word “secrecy” is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. […]

    For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence–on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

    Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumour is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.”

    What would President Kennedy have made of AIPAC, if he hadn’t been murdered?

  326. Sean 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1994/08/07/the-fourth-tramp/1f58fbe9-a0fa-4fc2-8ebf-d62694845bbe/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ce9fe84c043f

    It turns out that there were arrest records for Nov. 22, 1963. The Dallas City Council, in response to Stone’s hit movie, voted to make public all city documents concerning the assassination; among these files the long-lost arrest records were found. When the names on the records were traced, the three men were found to have been underemployed, hard-drinking transients who liked to hop rides on railroad trains — in a word, tramps.

    The debunking of the three tramps legend first appeared in our front-page story for the Houston Post of Feb. 9, 1992.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  327. Dube 说:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    [Laurent Guyénot]: “To be precise, the autopsy, in Washington Navy Hospital, was controlled by the Navy, and the Navy was heavily under Johnson’s control.”

    [Dube]: Thank you. That would seem to explain how LBJ might have influenced the Bethesda post-mortem. But does it?

    Could LBJ, acting from afar in terms of both distance and forensic knowledge, order an admiral to have the surgeon alter or misreport JFK’s wounds, possibly to fit a predetermined scenario?

    One might consider that LBJ would be expected to authorize it, but that seems to presuppose an understanding among the officers in the room.

    Where does that take us?

    • 回复: @Iris
    , @ChuckOrloski
  328. lysias 说:
    @Sean

    The next issue of Life magazine, already all put together and scheduled for publication days after Nov. 22, and which had the cooperation of RFK and his Justice Department, was about the Bobby Baker scandal and LBJ’s involvement. It would have meant the end of LBJ’ s career. Once JFK was killed and LBJ became president, the issue was canceled. LBJ had to act fast.

    • 同意: Iris
    • 回复: @Sean
  329. lysias 说:
    @Iris

    The Lavon Affair in 1954 also happened during a period when Ben Gurion was out of office.

  330. Sean 说:
    @Iris

    The US tried to keep an arms race out of the Middle East. Frustrated, Nasser turned to the Soviet block which started to supply Egypt with weapons in 1955. Britain France and Israel invaded Egypt the next year, and the Soviet Union became close to Nasser. But Egypt never posed a threat to Israel that would require nukes to stop, the Israeli nuke was just a way to force America to sell advanced arms to Israel so that it had overwhelming conventional superiority and would thus never need to nuke the Arabs. The HAWK advanced anti aircraft missile, the forst real cutting edge weapon they got, was sold to Israel soon after JFK became pres. As far as taking their aid away that would only happen if they admitted they had a nuke (the inspections were kept been perfunctory) , Kennedy was a Navy man. His attitude was “Don’t ask, don’t tell”. Kennedy’s best friend and long time roomate was gay by the way. Jackie* was puzzled he had a room at the White House and their almost every weekend.

    *A chemical straightener disguised the naturally kinky hair she hated. The teased bouffant masked a low hairline. Kid gloves covered large, strong, mannish hands that an early boyfriend had likened to those of a peasant. The cut of her suit jacket artfully concealed the breadth of her shoulders, and her muscular back and arms. The skirt disguised hips she thought much too broad. The shoes were specially cut to make large feet look smaller and more feminine. Sunglasses hid brown eyes set so far apart that her optician had had to special-order a suitably wide bridge

    • 回复: @Iris
  331. Marty 说:
    @Anonymouse

    See Part I commenter Jim Christian, who clinched the matter with simple geometry, noting (per his 1984 viewing of the nest), that Oswald could only have made the shot by hanging out the window by his toenails. Caveat: Jim also was also quite strident that Ian Poulter wouldn’t make the cut at the U.S. Open.

  332. @TS/SCI/TURNIPTRUCK

    Yes, you’ve made multiple unsupported assertions to that effect.

    Hypotheses are, by definition, unsupported.

    至于

    What part of the Huston memo, the IIPA, the operational files exemption, and the political questions doctrine do you find unconvincing? What part of 50 U.S.C. §403w “shall be final and conclusive and shall not be subject to review by any court” do you find unconvincing?

    LOL

    USC 50 §403w concerns the CIA Director’s authorities relating to the hiring, pay and pension benefits of employees of the agency. It ain’t got nuthin’ to do with the present discussion.

    • 回复: @TS/SCI/TURNIPTRUCK
  333. Sean 说:
    @lysias

    He had dirt on John F Kennedy too including his having lied about suffering from Addison’s disease. Kennedy did not dare sack Hoover for that reason.

    Killing Bobby’s brother achieved little but pissing Bobby off. RFK was still alive and kicking in Justice and rich and influential and with relations like Ben Bradlee. He could have got the story out through a backchannel and had nothing to lose either

    JFK would not have been president without LBJ, and he could not been reelected without winning Texas again. LBJ could have weathered any storm. Reporters in the mainstream studiously ignored , all sorts of things about JFK while he was pres that were common knowledge ,but after he was dead lo and behold they had all these stories they were working on about his priapic personal life and liaisons with women from the criminal underworld or the Soviet Block which were just about about to be published. Don’t you believe it, or that the Kennedy’s would have got into a slinging match with Johnson at that point and given up any hope of winning reelection for another term in the White House.

  334. @Sean

    It turns out that there were arrest records for Nov. 22, 1963.

    It turns out that there were arrest records? Is that supposed to be surprising, or what?

    When the names on the records were traced, the three men were found to have been underemployed, hard-drinking transients who liked to hop rides on railroad trains — in a word, tramps.

    The debunking of the three tramps legend first appeared in our front-page story for the Houston Post of Feb. 9, 1992.

    That’s not a debunking. It merely indicates (if the Dallas Police records have not been falsified) that if the three tramps were CIA operatives in tramp’s clothing, they had a convincing false bios. to go with their attire. In the case of CIA operatives, one would expect nothing less.

    • 回复: @Sean
  335. Skeptikal 说:
    @sarz

    我的第一个想法:
    Watch your back, Ron.
    This is explosive.
    For an “in passing” reference to how the guns were procured for the assassination,
    and also a very interesting and instructive read, I highly recommend
    “I Heard You Paint Houses: Frank “The Irishman” Sheeran and the Inside Story of the Mafia, the Teamsters, and the Final Ride of Jimmy Hoffa,” by Charles Brandt. Also suggests that the best person to carry out an assassination is the one closest to the target, even the closest friend. Also, shows how someone can play a role in a conspiracy, as a cog in the machine, without having any idea of doing so.

    Regarding the suspicion falling/not falling on LBJ, I believe this was a complicated psychological dynamic. Because, as Ron points out, OF COURSE!!! LBJ would be the prime suspect. And many, many, had this thought. But then a reverse thought entered: It is so obvious that OF COURSE it cannot be true. This latter stance is then reinforced by all of the theatrics that follow and the idea is considered absurd and nuts.

    This ploy has been used as a plot device by many, many mystery writers. I am not a great reader of mysteries, but I have seen enough on TV etc. to suggest this, and I believe it would be quite useful for someone who is a mystery maven to provide a list of mysteries where the plot turns on suspicion falling on the “obvious” suspect, who was the one in the same room, or the beneficiary of the huge insurance payout, etc. Then the plot turn is that the sleuth basically discards this idea because it is too obvious and follows other leads that look more promising—in the sense that they provide a showcase for the sleuth’s cunning and methods, etc. The sleuth, having discarded the too obvious and therefore not credible idea may even enlist the aid of the original prime suspect, who of course throws the sleuth off the scent. So that the sleuth develops a psychological block against seriously considering the obvious perpetrator. And it takes a shock —maybe an overheard conversation; a new source suddenly appearing; a new motivation suddenly being revealed—for scales to fall from the eyes of the sleuth and see that the “first suspect”—say, the one who first reported the person missing, etc.—is the actual murderer.

    In our case, I think the Piper and USS Liberty revelations fall into the last category, of new motivations. (I recall very well the first time I heard of the Liberty event, and I didn’t believe it could be true; I thought this must be some crackpot! It just didn’t seem possible that such an event would not be common knowledge. A perfect example of how effective media suppression is.) It is even possible that Mossad already had enough stuff on Johnson to apply pressure to him to go along with their plan. I have the Piper book and read it a few years ago, and although I have forgotten most of the specific details, since then I have been hyper-aware of the Israeli connection and how this points to Lansky as an instrumental part of the plan. And that is why my antennae started twitching when I read the Frank Sheeran account. Read it. And forget relying on the movie! AFAI can see, it is a cleaned-up version of a fraction of the real story that Sheeran tells. Sheeran is immensely sympathetic. And Brandt supplies very useful analysis and commentary to frame the Sheeran interviews.

  336. Skeptikal 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    I agree on Prouty.
    Very good, credible source.
    I don’t know why some discredit him as a source.
    Most likely because they have an agenda to discredit good sources!
    One point on which I think I disagree with Ron is his implication that Vietnam policy continued as before under Johnson. Per Douglass, this was not the case. Kennedy was ready to start trying to get out of Vietnam, and things were reversed under Johnson.

  337. Skeptikal 说:
    @Jeff Stryker

    “Italians wanted their interests in Cuba back.”

    Actually, I believe the jewish mob had more extensive interests in Cuba.
    Traditionally the Jewish mob controlled illegal liquor networks (originating in Canada/Bronfman—I think maybe Piper mentions this). And gambling.

    Also, the mob could not have relied on the cover-up mechanism. In fact, an investigation of the mob would have been a two-fer for most Americans!! So why didn’t Johnson direct his Justice Department to investigate them?

  338. T. Weed 说:

    Another reason why Israel would want to wipe out JFK and his brothers is the belief that the family was tainted by antisemitism, from the father, ambassador in England before WW2, who believed, and said, (correctly) that the Jews in England were the ones pushing for war with Germany, to JFK himself, who, in his book Profiles in Courage, singled out for praise Senator Taft, who condemned the Nuremberg trials as revenge, not justice.

    • 回复: @Anon
  339. renfro 说:
    @Brewer

    约翰逊在遇到克里姆之前很久就是一名犹太复国主义者。

    I wouldn’t put much stock in the claim that Johnson had an ’emotional feel’ for the Jews.
    No one in his years (in his bios) before politics remembers him ever talking about Jews or Israel.

    What most happens regarding politicians and Jews/Israel is that presidents who have aided Israel are written about by the Jews as ‘ loving Jews or Israel.’

    Why do they do this? For the same reason it is done today—-Jews dont want to portray Israel friendly presidents or politicians as ‘loving Jews for the money/campaign donations and helpful media —–and politicians of course don’t want to say they love the Jewish money instead of Jews and Israel……So the both play the ‘spin game’ of loving Israel as the reason they support it.

    The time line of Johnson’s life shows that his first ‘awareness of the JQ/meet up with Jews began thru newspaper owner Charles Marsh. It was Marsh, at the behest of his mistress and later wife Alice Glass , who sent Johnson on errands to aid the Jews. It was mainly Alice, who although not Jewish, fancied herself a sort of queenly lady bountiful with Marsh’s money and pursued causes.
    It was Marsh’s new papers that made the poor school teacher Johnson a congressman.

    It was also Marsh who financed Johnson ‘s helping the Jews. Here’s an example of Marsh and Johnson;

    ”Leinsdorf, a Jewish musician did not want to return to Nazi Germany and asked Marsh and Alice if they could help him to stay in the United States. The next day Marsh drove Leinsdorf to Washington where they stayed in his suite at the Mayflower Hotel. Leinsdorf explained in his autobiography, Cadenza: A Musical Career (1976), that Marsh summoned Lyndon B. Johnson to the hotel: “A lanky young man appeared. He treated Charles with the informal courtesy behooving a youngster toward an older man to whom he is in debt.” Johnson then arranged for Leinsdorf to become a “permanent resident” of the United States.’

    Johnson complained to Marsh later that he found it difficult managing on his Congress salary. Marsh arranged for Johnson’s wife to buy nineteen acres on Lake Austin for \$8,000, which he knew was an area that was likely to be developed and would increase dramatically in value. Lady Bird Johnson later sold the land for \$330,000. He also provided the money for Johnson to buy the Fort Worth radio station that he said would be “some day worth \$3 million”. Marsh also offered Johnson the opportunity to buy some of his oil wells cheaply. Johnson declined the offer as he feared that this “could kill me politically”.
    During the 1938 campaign, Marsh agreed to ask his business friends to contribute to the campaign. He eventually arranged for Johnson to be paid \$5,000 a week. Mary Louise Glass, (Alice’s sister) Marsh’s private secretary, said it was her job to “keep track of who paid.”

    Marsh was a strong opponent of Adolf Hitler and urged United States intervention in the Second World War. He joined forces with Walter Lippmann, Claude Pepper and Benjamin Cohen to help draft a plan to send military aid to Britain.
    To Johnson if the Marsh and Jews friends money tree was for it he was for it.
    This was the real marriage of the Jews and Johnson and brought in Abe Feinberg , Eddie Weisl and Abe Fortas and all their contacts. They greased his way into the senate and his presidential run.
    They were among the first calls he made the day after Kennedy was killed.

    What we can truthfully say about Johnson and Isr and Jews is that he literally “outsourced’ all that policy to his Jewish benefactors ….in return for their support.

  340. Marcia 说:

    One interesting link that does not appear in these comments is James Angleton’s extreme admiration and support for Israel, especially Mossad.

  341. Iris 说:
    @Dube

    One might consider that LBJ would be expected to authorize it, but that seems to presuppose an understanding among the officers in the room.”

    – The body of President Kennedy was removed from Parkland hospital under armed threats from the SS. It should been undergone autopsy there, to respect the law and to preserve the chain of evidence. Moving his body was already a cover-up action.

    – The doctors in charge of the autopsy at Bethesda (Humes and Boswell) had 决不要 conducted any in their life. Not one autopsy, ever.

    – The autopsy was at all times under control of the SS, and its lead Roy Kellerman. There were around 30 people around the body during the entire autopsy.

    – Radiographer Jerrol Francis Custer took X-rays of the president’s head: it was riddled with bullet fragments, indicating a frangible bullet, and hence a second murder weapon. He was told by his manager Dr Ebersole to “keep his mouth shut” (AARB, 1997).

    – Forensic Material evidence, photos taken, pathology slides, were all handed to Roy Kellerman, head of SS. All later disappeared.

    – Dr Humes’ boss G. Berkeley got hold of the President’s brain, which would have kept traces of the fatal shot. The brain later disappeared and is unaccounted for to the day.

    – Later after the autopsy, and after a meeting with the SS, Dr Ebersole required radiographer Custer to tape full-metal jacket bullets to the President’s bone, and to produce forged X-rays.

    – J.E. Hoover required agents Siebert and O’Neill to stay with the body all throughout the autopsy. Their report strongly contradicted the magic bullet theory; it was discarded by Arlen Specter and not presented to the Warren commission.

    – Dr Humes autopsy notes “disappeared” too.

    ….And the list goes on. It is very clear that the most active actors in the forensic cover-up were certain individuals within the SS and at Bethesda Navy Hospital.

    • 回复: @Dube
  342. Iris 说:
    @Sean

    Ethics , idealism , class, intelligence and beauty: the Kennedys will never be forgotten.

    • 回复: @Alden
  343. @Dube

    Dube favorably quoted Laurent Guyenot:
    “[Laurent Guyénot]: “To be precise, the autopsy, in Washington Navy Hospital, was controlled by the Navy, and the Navy was heavily under Johnson’s control.”

    Hi Dube,

    Above, I note that there remains a special need to consult with Lifton’s great forensic work, his book, “Best Evidence.”

    Step by scientific step, Mr. Lifton demonstrated that the work & findings of Parkland Hospital E.R. doctors profoundly differed from that performed under control of “the Navy and Johnson.”

    跆拳道?

    For me, to let the Texas doctors do & report their E.R. “thing” unsupervised was either a major operational boo-boo or diabolically intentional. Fyi, I support the latter motive which guaranteed enhanced cognitive dissonance among shocked Americans.

    “Best Evidence” is & always shall be the type of evidence that Chief Culprits particularly enjoy turning away from ZUS citizen-consumer’s attention.

    Thanks dube, and don’t bogart that Bethesda joint? Such takes you nowhere!

  344. @Wizard of Oz

    You’re obviously too ignorant to understand that professional assassins don’t use a “someone” as a shooter or driver. As to 9/11, the demolition professionals were in all likelihood flown in from Israel months before 9/11 to do the job and then flown back Israel on the morning of 9/11, if not before.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  345. @Laurent Guyénot

    George Bush wasn’t turned into a dummy, he was born a dummy. The best part of George Bush ran down his mother’s leg, with the same being true for Marvin Bush, and the rest of the family.

    • 回复: @Alden
  346. @CanSpeccy

    You’re reading it wrong. Next time read it twice before you laugh out loud so you don’t look dumb. Lower-case letters are the top-level subdivisions of the section titled Intelligence operations and cover enhancement authority. Equivalent language governs legislative inspections, investigations or audits. Another provision at the same level gives the DCI equally non-reviewable discretion to exempt designated employees from mandatory compliance with any Federal regulation, rule, standardized administrative policy, process, or procedure. They’ve set aside everything but Emily Post’s Etiquette, for christssake.

    This could not be clearer. Congress and the courts know arbitrary power when they see it. Surely you’ve noticed how abjectly they suck CIA ass. You’ve seen them try to write loopholes into jus cogens at CIA’s behest.

    You’re consistently quite sensible at Craig Murray’s place; what is the mental block here? Is this some kind of american patriotic thing, not being able to face living in a totalitarian state?

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  347. @MacNucc11

    There was always an Italian mafia and a Jewish mafia. Over the past 40 years or so, the Italian mafia has largely faded from view, while the Jewish mafia has prospered and expanded to the point where it effectively controls (through bribery, blackmail and intimidation) all three branches of the United States government.

  348. @TS/SCI/TURNIPTRUCK

    You’re reading it wrong. … Lower-case letters are the top-level subdivisions of the section titled Intelligence operations and cover enhancement authority. Equivalent language governs legislative inspections, investigations or audits.

    Cut the bafflegab and give us some exact quotes, or we can safely assume that you’re BSing.

    As for CM, I rarely comment there unless he’s having a sane spell, or a particularly insane spell.

    • 回复: @TS/SCI/TURNIPTRUCK
  349. Alden 说:
    @lysias

    I just read the book online. Unfortunately it’s white print on a navy background. Why do people do that? I suppose they think it’s cool. It’s not. It’s just pretentious and annoying to read.

    The investigators never named any suspects that could be charged.

    It was just the standard mish mash of KKK minutemen?? right wingers White southerners anti Castro Cubans oil companies big business segregationists CIA FBI. At least he didn’t claim the secret service killed JFK, just claimed it was incompetent.

    老样子老样子

    One of the on line reviews of the book said it was commissioned by Robert Kennedy to help him with his presidential run. After he was killed it was withheld because he was dead and the book couldn’t help him obviously. The review claimed the Frenchmen were Petroleum experts. Maybe they worked for the French government gas company ELF??? Since France imports all its gas and oil I suppose ELF needs a security force.

    At any rate, no suspects, just groups and speculation.

    • 回复: @lysias
  350. @Carroll Price

    You need to express yourself more accurately. You said “knew enough details” to spill the beans. Obviously as I point out, there are many details that are capable of upending the official stories.

    Your loose thinking, which was what I was getting at, extends to

    (a) using the word “ignorant” in a way that implies the ludicrous claim that one of the subjects you can speak of authoritatively is how professional assassins arrange their logistics (yes, *I guess too* that professional assassins would *尝试* and choose the drivers and other assistants carefully),

    (b) not even emphasising “in the position to talk” which another commenter has picked up on.

    As to the other commenter’s suggestion that effectually no one is ever in a position to talk because they fear for their own and others lives, it is, obviously not something any conspirators can rely on and not actually likely. We already have Howard Hunt’s alleged death bed confession and of course many people after several decades would no longer fear that there were some dedicated professionals ready to carry out retribution in a way that might matter to them. They would often prefer to take the money, enjoy the fame, or just do the right thing. The fatwah on Salman Rushdie was never lifted but he came out of hiding decades ago.

    • 回复: @Carroll Price
  351. @MacNucc11

    You at least replied with more logic than Carroll Price to whom I have just said:

    You need to express yourself more accurately. You said “knew enough details” to spill the beans. Obviously as I point out, there are many details that are capable of upending the official stories.

    Your loose thinking, which was what I was getting at, extends to

    (a) using the word “ignorant” in a way that implies the ludicrous claim that one of the subjects you can speak of authoritatively is how professional assassins arrange their logistics (yes, *I guess too* that professional assassins would *尝试* and choose the drivers and other assistants carefully),

    (b) not even emphasising “in the position to talk” which another commenter has picked up on.

    As to his [your] suggestion that effectually no one is ever in a position to talk because they fear for their own and others lives, it is, obviously not something any conspirators can rely on and not actually likely. We already have Howard Hunt’s alleged death bed confession and of course many people after several decades would no longer fear that there were some dedicated professionals ready to carry out retribution in a way that might matter to them. They would often prefer to take the money, enjoy the fame, or just do the right thing. The fatwah on Salman Rushdie was never lifted but he came out of hiding decades ago.

  352. @lysias

    “which for years the FBI prevented from being imported into America”. C’mon. That’s a fantastic story. needs to be backed with your evidence was my first thought but then I remembered my internet manners and did a search. I append what I found but still leave you to explain please what real evidence of RFK’s employing (how could he?) French Intelligence there was. As to the pseudonymous James Hepburn’s book it clearly has as much credibility as former British intelligence officer Peter Wright’s “Spycatcher” of 1970s fame and seems to have been written by a Dan Brown. (I appreciate that you are not saying it is any good but you may not recall that it is, apparently, partly a compilation from conspiracy theories already published). NB said to be “now dated”!

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    Originally published in 1968 in France under the title L’Amerique Brule (America Is Burning), Farewell America quickly became a best-seller in Europe in eleven languages. It was the inside story of the assassination of President John Kennedy. Although borrowing heavily from published critics of the Warren Commission Report, the book describes the roots of the Cold War, the linkage between large corporate and banking interests, the ever-growing American intelligence apparatus, and the international petroleum cartels that were lined up with a bevy of military brass and Mafia chieftains against JFK. A combination of these powerful interests called “The Committee” coordinated all aspects of the murder, from setting the time and place of the shooting to the recruitment of the gunmen and the coverup of the conspiracy afterward. The bottom line was that enemies of JFK collaborated with the CIA to erase the perceived threat to their interests by John and Robert Kennedy. Heady stuff for 1968. So incendiary, in fact, that importation of the book through Canada was squelched, allegedly at the instigation of the FBI. Farewell America wasn’t just another book about the assassination conspiracy; it bristled with restricted information about U.S. intelligence agencies, the White House, global business, and military and political affairs that had to have come from a knowlegdeable source, in this case, French intelligence. It also represented the surreptitious intrusion by those in French government circles into American politics, namely, the 1968 presidential elections.

    来自出版商周刊
    Originally published in Europe in 1968, this is a once-notorious, now-dated look at John Kennedy’s assassination and an excoriation of the American scene in its aftermath. Turner (Rearview Mirror, etc.) explains in his introduction that the book was first published under mysterious circumstances and was “aimed at advancing the 1968 presidential campaign of Robert F. Kennedy,” but its U.S. distribution was rapidly curtailed after RFK’s death. The authors (“James Hepburn” is a pseudonym) conducted clandestine research among KGB and Interpol agents and French petroleum espionage specialists and relied on a rare, unmodified print of the famed Zapruder film. The book seethes with aggrieved passion in defending the Kennedys and their ideals, and seeks to defrock the “lone gunman” theory of JFK’s assassination. Most of the text is a damning jeremiad, portraying pre-1964 America as a vicious, discriminatory oligarchy controlled by alliances of Big Steel and Big Oil, the military and organized crime, which all had reason to fear JFK’s proposed reforms. According to “Hepburn,” these interests combined with ultra-right-wing paramilitary groups like the Minutemen and Cuban exile groups to plan the assassination. Chapters discussing the assassination itself will be grimly convincing to some readers, with excellent analyses of the Secret Service’s failures and the ambiguous roles played by the CIA and FBI during this tumultuous era. This is a pungent historical document, but its conspiracy theory is familiar by now, and its information has been surpassed by more recent studies such as Murder in Dealey Plaza, edited by James Fetzer.
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    Penmarin Books deserves high praise for allowing Farewell America to reach a new and expanded audience. — Ed Tatro, JFK assassination expert

    Penmarin Books deserves high praise for allowing Farewell America to reach a new and expanded audience. — Ed Tatro, JFK assassination expert

    Penmarin Books deserves high praise for allowing Farewell America to reach a new and expanded audience. — Ed Tatro, JFK assassination expert

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    Herve Lamarre, the publisher of the original edition of Farewell America, admitted that the author of record, James Hepburn, was fictitious and that the true sources included Andre Ducret of the Surete; Interpol; and, among others in French intelligence, Philippe Vasjoly, the chief French petroleum agent in the United States. William Turner is an authority on the Kennedy assassinations, the FBI and the CIA, and the author of nine books, including his recent memoirs, Rearview Mirror: Looking Back at the FBI, the CIA and Other Tails.

    • 回复: @Alden
  353. lysias 说:
    @Alden

    George de Mohrenschildt, who handled Oswald for the CIA for a while, was an international petroleum engineer who belonged to the Dallas Petroleum Club. That’s just the sort of person intelligence agencies like to hire.

    As for “Farewell America,” I cited it not because I agree with all of it, but as evidence that RFK enlisted experts to investigate his brother’s death.

  354. @jilles dykstra

    然后麦克纳马拉不得不召回两架已经在前往开罗途中携带原子弹的轰炸机。

    Some versions of the story have the bombers 3 minutes from Cairo when they were recalled. I don’t believe that: they would have been in Egyptian airspace. It is unlikely in any case that the US would have been willing to nuke Cairo, then allied to the Soviet Union, in response to a supposed Egyptian attack on a US warship.

  355. @jdf

    As a general rule, you can consider ANYONE arguing that Unz is full of s\$#t and Oswald did it as a crazed lone assassin, is a paid TROLL.

    The lone assassin theory is important because it is the null hypothesis that must be disproved.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Sparkon
  356. @CanSpeccy

    It wouldn’t have just been RFK’s Kennedy money that was available to finance an investigation though presumably he could get a fair bit done as Attorney-General, which raises the question where would he first want to aim the investigation. (Someone above said btw that RFK would have known all the relevant CIA people but that seems to me wrong. Why would the Attorney-General be close to the CIA?)

    It seems likely to me that RFK didn’t have any well formed suspicions of conspiracy for quite a long time. No doubt the question “who would have wanted to do this?” would have crossed his mind but maybe it would have taken a lot of pondering on published theories and musings with friends before he decided that he would want to reopen inquiries. That seems likely since he would have remembered all the shots at Presidents that came from lone nutters:: Lincoln, McKinley and, while campaigning, Theodore Roosevelt come to mind. To the extent he suspected Johnson he might also have reflected that it was unlikely that Johnson’s networks were sufficiently insulated from the Kennedys to make it likely that Johnson was responsible.

    I find it surprising that you can entertain for a moment the involvement of Richard Nixon. What possible reason would he have had to want Kennedy killed in 1963 at ANY risk to himself, or at all? And did he have sufficient power or influence then to guarantee a cover up so that anyone wouĺd want to involve him? And what would such a paranoid person think of being involved (if he could trust the intermediaries) with alleged co-conspirator and about to be President LBJ?

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  357. @Sean

    Your detailed approach is the right one IMO as you get to test connected ideas in your own mind and with the help of others. As one of the others allow me to point out just one small matter. RFK as Attorney-General would not have had a lot to do with the CIA in the way you suggest, I think.

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Sean
  358. @CanSpeccy

    Don’t play dumb. Anybody here can look it up on the Google. Even you. Last comment, you were pretending to explain it all to me. Now when I rub your nose in it, you’re all baffled by headings.

    The Central Intelligence Agency Act confers impunity on CIA. How come you can’t handle it? Proud to be an American, ♬ so at least ♭♪ you know you’re free?

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  359. @lysias

    The assassination was a public execution. The people who counted were meant to understand what had happened. The deed was meant to intimidate anyone who might have thought of imitating JFK.

    The message to those who counted was not very clear, because even today we are wondering which of JFK’s policies prompted his assassination!

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  360. @Wizard of Oz

    The fatwah on Salman Rushdie was never lifted but he came out

    We can always hope the fatwa on this low-life will one day succeed.

  361. @renfro

    当约翰逊打电话给杜勒斯关于去接受委托时,约翰逊对杜勒斯说的第一句话是……“有一些不愉快的消息要告诉你”。

    我想我们必须猜测这意味着什么,因为他甚至在招募杜勒斯之前都没有说明为什么这个消息令人不快......但约翰逊确实继续说杜勒斯“必须为他做这件事”。

    I don’t think you need to look for a sinister explanation as to why the news was unpleasant. LBJ was asking a 70-year-old man to come out of retirement and do nearly a year’s onerous work.

  362. @jdf

    As Peter Dale Scott stated in “Deep Politics,” Ruby is the key to unlocking the assassination, because his murder of Oswald is the only time the conspirators had to come out of hiding.

    同意。

  363. TheBoom 说:

    Fascinating article. What I find most fascinating about it is that it was published in anything resembling a semi mainstream website. As the Jews cement power I can’t see this being allowed to continue even though Ron is Jewish. Not just this article but too many other thought crime pieces noticing Jewish power and Israeli misdeeds are posted on 乌兹网.

    Given that few of the mainstream “right” and conservative sites will look at these obvious issues more and more mainstream people are likely to gravitate to unz in the years ahead. At what point and traffic size does unz.com become too big of a threat to continue? I imagine that the next Democratic presidency will not bode well for unz.com or Ron’s personal safety.

    • 回复: @David In TN
  364. @James N. Kennett

    Indeed. And a shot through the windscreen would be one of the best proofs . I spent a lot of time listening to the David Weldon interview/address that someone linked. (I now see it was “tac” and he has just diminished its weight in my mind, albeit not wholly logically, by a truly bizarre response to what was actually a positive response by me). I would like to check whether the windscreen was armoured glass so as to be effectively bullet proof. Another question that occurs to me results from the description of the fatal wound being by a frangible bullet and there being, accordingly, bullet fragmants in the brain. How does that square with the (frangible) bullet hitting even an ordinary laminated glass windshield? For completeness I add the speculative possibility that Oswald might have fired his first shot through the windshield. While there is some evidence of a bullet hole in the windscreen it is less clear that it is a front to back hole.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
    , @D. K.
    , @tac
  365. Sparkon 说:
    @James N. Kennett

    For James N. Kennett:

    The lone assassin theory is important because it is the 公牛 hypothesis that 必须 has been disproved.

    • 回复: @Alden
  366. Dube 说:
    @Iris

    In the autopsy room, when Humes asked, “Who’s in charge here?” an admiral replied, “I am,” as repeated by Humes – as I think I recall reading. O. Stone represents it in his JFK film.

    So who was in command – the military or the Secret Service?

    • 回复: @Alden
  367. @Wizard of Oz

    I find it surprising that you can entertain for a moment the involvement of Richard Nixon. What possible reason would he have had to want Kennedy killed in 1963 at ANY risk to himself, or at all?

    Geopolitics.

    The US was the only real bulwark against the threat of global communist revolution. The Soviet Union was the largest contiguous empire the world has ever seen, and it possessed a vast military establishment that was armed with bigger nukes and better missiles than the Americans possessed at the time. Moreover, the Soviets were aligned with the Chinese empire, the most populous state on earth.

    What was to stop the Soviets and the Chinese taking all of South-East Asia while instigating Communist revolution in S. America and Africa? Only America, with the feeble support of her NATO allies.

    But Kennedy was soft on Communism. He failed to give the Soviets a bloody nose over the Cuban missile base. He failed to back the CIA-orchestrated Bay of Pigs invasion of Communist Cuba, and he indicated he’d back out of the war against Communist revolution in Vietnam if he won in ’64. And he would have been unbeatable in ’64.

    What to do? Kill the SOB.

    If you look at it from that point of view, a bipartisan decision to terminate Kennedy was vital to the security of the Western world, and thus morally justified.

    At the time, it never occurred to me, or I suspect to more than a very small number of Americans, to look at it that way. Therefore, the incident was viewed, as it is to this day, as a heinous crime. But with an appreciation of the geopolitical situation at the time, it must surely have appeared to the national security establishment as a fortunate development in the struggle against the Communist menace.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Alden
  368. @Wizard of Oz

    While there is some evidence of a bullet hole in the windscreen it is less clear that it is a front to back hole.

    Just listen to the testimony of the doctors, Oz, then you’ll be in little doubt as to the direction of the fatal bullet.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  369. @TS/SCI/TURNIPTRUCK

    Anybody here can look it up on the Google.

    Ha! As I thought. You cannot provide the evidence because it is a figment of your imagination.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  370. @prusmc

    ” I Can’t buy the argument that Israel and the big jewish money/media actual wanted him over Gore and Joe Lib. In 2000.”

    I’ve never suggested that. “Israel and the big jewish money/media ” always support both candidates. They always win. Only those naîve people -and American people seem to be naîve and some would even say stupid – believe that there are differences between the candidates that every 4 years, those who colonized the USA, decide to present to the American people so they can “choose” who is the best for them.

    Only fools really believed that there were differences between the war criminal HC and future war criminal Donald Trump.

    I’m sure that even the “socialist” candidate , Sanders, – if he had been elected – wouldn’t have changed “American” foreign policy.

    “I despise Bush but I voted for him twice, that does not mean that Kerry or Gore would have been an improvement. ”

    Agree. I’m sure Al Gore would have taken the same decisions that GWB took. No doubt Gore would have destroyed Iraq and become a “great president”/ a war president.

    “I despise Bush but I voted for him twice”..
    Maybe that is the problem, isn’t ?
    Maybe a peaceful revolution is possible if 98% of American people just decide to stay at home instead of giving their consent to the mafia who then go on slaughtering innocent people around the world to “defend” Israel.

    • 同意: Iris
  371. D. K. 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    http://www.jfksouthknollgunman.com/index.php/04-2-bullet-hole/

    Dr. Evalea Glanges (a medical student at the time of the assassination):

    ***

    “But it was very clear, it was a through and through bullet hole, through the windshield of the car, from the front to the back”. [sic]

    “No way there’s even any cracks associated with that bullet hole, It seemed like a high velocity bullet that had penetrated from front to back in that glass pane” [sic]

    ***

    George Whitaker, Sr. (Ford Motor Company manager at the time of the assassination):

    ***

    “It was a good clean bullet hole right through the screen from the front, right, this had a clean round hole in the front and the fragmentation coming out of the back” [sic]

    ***

    “Etc., etc., etc.!” — Yul Brynner

    ***

    If Lee Oswald had shot the first shot, that Friday afternoon, through the middle of the presidential limousine’s front windshield, from the “sniper’s nest” in the southeast corner window on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository, where would that bullet have hit, after passing through the windshield? What are the chances that it would have continued almost to the triple underpass, hitting the curb and thereby wounding an onlooker on his cheek?

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  372. tac 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Your assertion that my response to you was in some way “bizarre”, by your own individual perception, has both its origins and, more importantly, its limitations in your–and thereby its very nature all of our individual very limited personal experiences in many ways limited to that of our own perceptions–inability to formulate the necessary judgement based on the ingredients of its foundation.

    You see, my response to your claim that my response to you being “bizarre” in your estimation, but in my sphere of thoughts and deliberations is finely-tuned and a result of a deductive reasoning simply based on the evidence you have thus far presented in my relatively short-lived time here on UR–when the genesis henceforth is taken into account. In other words, one formulates opinions and beliefs based on on external stimulii, and conversely the inputs based on biological input sensors, personal experience, and to some extent inherited traits. So then when one formulates a response, in this particular example, it is based entirely on the aggregate of one’s personal experience along with the consumption of the other individual’s past proclivities to be either objective or to lean in a certain direction, no matter what is presented to them–especially his/her past statements, or, more importantly (to some individuals), their non-statements (to some extent). Nonetheless, one must always be cognizant of the possibility that one can be wrong at any time, but am I wrong in your case? Hardly, I posit…

    A few examples for your consideration–assuming, for a short time, that you are not merely a thespian actor[ess] in the theatrical production played by and choriographed by Hasbara induced syndicate:

    [更多]

    Did you not recently fall head-over-heels when your partner Incitatus (on a thread authored by Eric Zuesse in response to David Irving), being seemingly over-confident that [s]he single-handedly evicirated the 911 truther movement when [s]he posted the collapse of the [abandoned for more than 17 years] building in San Paolo, Brazil as some sort of ironclad proof that this building fell in its own footprint solely because of a fire in the suposted conclusion that this spells the end of the 911 truther movement with this ONE SINGLE example, and to which YOU, WoZ, threw your overwhelming support in a serires of replies to Incitatus–all the while consciously IGNORING MY substantive reply to Incitatus, complete with “logical” reasoning and substantiated with photographic evidence to counter that argument–CHOOSING, as YOU DID so cowardly, to ignore my presentation, in the aftermath–just as you seemingly gloss over YOUR considerable requests at peer review, PHD level analysis (as others lack any competent ability to produce substantive results by your own admission) and others claims to authority–all the while saying naught of the same when it comes to the holocaust narrative!!!

    What other “bizzare” conclusions did I arrive at (perhaps for some unbeknownst conspiritorial related reason) when it dealing with just you, WoZ….?: Namely, that you are my (((Australian))) friend??? Your own words gave you away:

    绿野仙踪 说:
    19年2018月3日,格林尼治标准时间下午27:100•XNUMX字
    @卡尔顿·迈尔(Carlton Meyer)
    The name of L. Fletcher Prouty on this thread rang a bell that didn’t flatter any image I retained of him. Your link brought it back. He had never been of great seniority or importance and the words of a witty former Foreign Minister of ours came back : he was suffering from “relevance deprivation syndrome”.

    • Replies: @lysias
    (https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-jfk-assassination-part-i-what-happened/#comment-2379980)

    Gareth John Evans
    “from 1988-96 – Foreign Minister”
    您的网站 http://gevans.org/

    “Welcome to relevance deprivation syndrome, a common but difficult to define experience for those climbing off the corporate treadmill.”
    ...
    “This “syndrome” is in fact not medically defined. The expression was coined by former foreign affairs minister Gareth Evans after his retirement. After 21 years in public life, Evans was upfront and honest about the internal battle he expected to face out of the limelight.”
    https://www.afr.com/business/facing-irrelevance-after-life-on-the-corporate-treadmill-20130305-j126m

    “Gareth John Evans AC, QC (born 5 September 1944), is an Australian international policymaker and former politician…and most prominently, from 1988 to 1996, as Foreign Minister.”
    ...
    “He also did not enjoy the move to opposition after thirteen years in government, coining the expression ‘relevance deprivation syndrome’”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Evans_(politician)

    “When you wake in the morning and say, ‘What am I going to do today’ it’s actually really difficult. When you finish being a minister you suffer from relevance deprivation syndrome. If Moore’s comments sound familiar, it is because he was purposefully parroting the sentiment expressed by the former foreign minister Gareth Evans, who famously suffered from the same syndrome after losing office in 1996.”
    https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/relevance-deprivation-syndrome-does-it-really-matter-20131209-2z1bu.html

  373. Achilles 说:

    Letter written in prison by Jack Ruby to his brother Earl. It was reprinted in a book written by his appellate attorney Gertz (and quoted on John McAdams’ website):

    EARL:
    You must believe what I’ve been telling you for the past two and a half years. If you only would have believed me all along you would have found some way to check out what I said. You would have saved Israel, but now they are doomed, because they think the U.S. are for them, but they are wrong because Johnson wants to see them slaughtered and tortured. Egypt is making believe they are an ally of Russia, that is only to fool Russia and the rest of the world. The Arabs are going to over- run Israel. They are going to get help both from Russia and the U.S. It’s too late now to do anything, and we are all doomed.

    They are torturing children here. If you only would believe what I’m telling you. Phil [Burleson] was in on the conspiracy all along, and he was very instrumental in the frameup they planned, that I was in on the assassination of the President. Don’t be fooled by his working on the briefs, now that has done all the dirty work, he put himself in a position to make every effort that he is on our side. Please you must believe all I’ve been telling you. Earl, they are going to torture you to death, and you will witness your own family being put to death. Forgive me for all this terrible tragedy I’ve caused. Love

    I know you won’t listen to me Earl, but if you go to a public phone booth, they may be watching you, pretend that you are going to a department store or a movie, and then give them the slip. Try the phone booth and call some people in N.Y. you know, and if you don’t find them in, you will know something is wrong. Try your family again and if they are not at home, then try Eileen or Ann. If they don’t answer then you know something is wrong. Earl I know what I am talking about, and I’m sure you think that I’m crazy. But don’t forget the jury found me sane, so I’m not crazy anymore! If you know your family is gone, then you know that all is lost and you can’t save anything. But you still may be able to save Israel. By getting to Miami either hitch-hike or some-way. You won’t be able to fly because they will be watching for you. From Miami you must find a way to Cuba, by pretending to rent a boat to go fishing, and get to Cuba someway. From there you must find a way to Russia. Then you tell the Russians how Egypt has been using them all along, but they are much closer to Johnson, because of what is happening to the Jews in the U.S. Then they will understand what kind of person Johnson is, and then they may be able to save Israel.

    Russia will then be in a position to tell Johnson, that there first move if any trouble starts is not to bomb the U.S., but to wipe out Germany, that one thing Johnson don’t want to happen, because he is counting on them to be the master race, also all the other former Axis partners South America, Egypt, Italy and Japan.

    Earl, as God is my judge, you must believe all these things I’ve been telling you. When you go back to your hotel, they may have a bug in your room. Don’t say anything to Elmer, just take off without your clothes. Good luck and hope you believe me this time, Love always.

    If you should follow what I said, and you are hitch-hiking give a fictitious name, such Fleming etc. Try calling some local people, maybe they are missing already, Scheppo, Jacobson, Kaufman and others through the phone book. Please Earl, I know what I’m asking of you.

    you [sic] must get to either Miami or Mexico City and then to Cuba. You may have lost your family by now, but there is nothing you can do about it now and you can save millions of people who are doomed to be slaughtered. This country has been overthrown.

    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ruby.htm

    Somehow Mike Piper missed this note as I cannot find discussion of it anywhere in his book.

    McAdams cites the note as evidence of paranoid delusions on Ruby’s part.

    But what I find remarkable about it are the following points:

    1. The extreme degree of concern by Ruby for Israel.

    2. Ruby’s belief that something he or Earl Ruby could do personally might “save Israel.”

    3. In this account, Johnson is anti-Israel. Under Mike Piper’s theory, JFK was anti-Israel and Johnson was pro-Israel. Of course, that doesn’t mean that Ruby was not under the impression that Johnson was pro-Israel, or was informed by Mossad to that effect, at the time of the JFK assassination.

    4. In Ruby’s telling, Cuba is the safe place to which he advises Earl to go and from which he “still may be able to save Israel.” From Cuba he can go to Russia, and Ruby thinks if Russia is told the ‘truth’ then Russia will save Israel.

    5. Ruby certainly doesn’t come across here as some patriotic American who killed Oswald to spare Jackie emotional distress. Israel appears to rank much higher in terms of his loyalties than the USA.

    6. In Ruby’s so called ‘deathbed interview’ to his lawyer Gertz he certainly doesn’t seem delusional: http://www.jfk-online.com/rubydeathbed.html

    I think the evidence of Oswald as the shooter (and the only shooter) of JFK is conclusive.

    Nevertheless, the killing of Oswald by Ruby and the unsatisfactory explanations for it raise a very strong suspicion of a conspiracy involving at least those two, even if the connection to each other in the conspiracy were merely indirect until the moment of the killing of Oswald.

    I suspect the plan was for Oswald to escape with the help of the Cuban exile splinter groups in Dallas, using their safe houses, as detailed in Bob Baer’s recent documentary on the History Channel “Tracking Oswald.” Perhaps Oswald’s plan was to get to Cuba and then on to the Soviet Union, where Marina as a Soviet citizen could come join him with their child and live out their lives in Minsk or Pinsk or some such place.

    But having been caught by police (thanks to the heroism of Officer Tippit and others), Oswald needed to be silenced if there was a chance he would divulge the identities of others who knew beforehand of his plan to kill JFK.

    This is why, for example, Ruby shows up in the Dallas police headquarters among the group of reporters observing the situation as Oswald is processed the evening of the shooting. To reconnoiter the situation with respect to Oswald on behalf of his Mossad contact.

    It has been claimed by a defector who was a member of Cuban intelligence that on the day of the JFK assassination, Castro instructed the intelligence bureau to redirect their equipment from Virginia to Dallas. I noted earlier in this thread the interesting close connection to Castro of Ricardo Wolf, a Cuban Jew who was sent by Castro to Israel as ambassador.

    Perhaps the means of communication to Castro of the impending attempt on JFK in Dallas was not the Cuban exiles floating around Dallas (or perhaps in addition to them), but rather Mossad.

    • 回复: @Achilles
    , @Alden
    , @utu
  374. Achilles 说:
    @Achilles

    To elaborate on a possible theory of this:

    1. After the JFK appearance in Dallas is announced, Mossad starts fishing around to see if there is some local goy in Dallas willing to take a shot at JFK.

    2. In furtherance of this, Mossad liaises with US organized crime Jews about the situation in Dallas. Mossad is told that there are some violent Cuban groups in Dallas left over from the Bay of Pigs effort. And that the local man in Dallas known by organized crime Jews is Jack Ruby.

    3. Mossad passes money to Ruby to hand out to the local Dallas Cubans to see what might turn up if they drag some money through these groups. This is why one of the Cubans was said to have remarked that “the Jews were now providing them money” to buy arms.

    4. None of the Cubans seems interested in killing the American president. However, they happen to know of a crazy gringo named Oswald who comes to their meetings and harangues them with diatribes about the superiority of communism. Oswald with the help of a couple of the Cubans had tried to assassinate a conservative retired American general a few months before.

    5. Oswald had already been talking about his hatred for JFK after the assassination attempts on Castro had been reported in the press, and Oswald had been making outbursts along these lines as early as his trip to Mexico City. The Cubans dare Oswald to kill JFK and to prove that he is as tough as he claims, tougher than these Cubans, and a man of his word. If Oswald kills JFK, they will help him escape afterward.

    6. Oswald goes through with it. Not that many people know of his plan beforehand. The Cubans; Jack Ruby and his Mossad contact, and whomever Mossad tells; Castro learns of it through infiltrated Cubans in Dallas or from the Mossad; organized crime Jews and a few pals like Giancana and Trafficante; perhaps even CIA minders of the Dallas Cubans though they may not have taken the rumor seriously.

    7. Oswald bungles the aftermath and is captured alive. Mossad contacts Ruby. To save Israel, we must silence Oswald so that no word of Israel’s involvement can ever be discovered by investigators. To save Israel, Ruby kills Oswald and never speaks a word of Israel’s involvement.

    • 回复: @James N. Kennett
  375. ians 说:
    @Sparkon

    Apologies for not being entirely clear, but I was making reference to the hard evidence that he was witnessed in the lunchroom at 12.15 and, just after the assassination, was confronted by Baker when Oswald had a Coke in his hand. He had, most definitely, not just come down from the 6th floor as two female employees who had been on the relevant stairs stated, categorically, that no one had come by them in the aftermath of the killing.

    • 回复: @Sparkon
  376. ians 说:
    @Alden

    ‘2,000 different theories’. No, there aren’t. Another desperate, pathetic attempt at deflection from the hard facts that point towards conspiracy.
    Nothing to do with Castro, who rebutted any suspicions he may be involved in a major speech shortly afterward, making very hard-hitting accusations as the who may be involved.
    JFK was going to ‘splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and cast it to the winds’. Do you sincerely believe that rogue agents within this murderous, deeply corrupt organisation would not wish to take action?

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Alden
  377. ians 说:
    @Alden

    Total crap, yet again from the primary troll. He was questioned for hours, no substantial notes taken. ‘Probably anticipated some grandiose trail..’. Laughable speculation to deflect from the fact that Oswald denied any involvement in any crime whatsoever and, given the magic bullet, the lunchroom appearance, the failed paraffin test, the impossibility of him getting to Tippit’s location, exit wound in back of JFK’s head, he was right to do so and any semi-competent lawyer would ah e destroyed a prosecution’s case.

    • 回复: @Alden
  378. @CanSpeccy

    That’s not up to your scientific standards. Whether there was more than one shooter is one important question for which the state of the windscreen would appear to be weighty evidence. Whether the bullet which killed Kennedy was from the front is a separate question with no necessary connection to the question whether there was a bullet through the windscreen and, if so, from which direction.

  379. @CanSpeccy

    I concede the ļogic of your argument but I am doubtful about the factual elements you expressly and implicitly rely on. However I do not have sufficient command of those facts to elaborate my doubts.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  380. Anonymous [AKA "TS/SCI/TURNIPTRICK"] 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    We don’t take assignments from manipulative weasels here. Is this all you can do, run from evidence and talk big like you made a point? That’s more convincing when you’re able to argue your way out of a paper bag. So work on that. That way people will not giggle when you use big words like hipoffasiss.

    CIA has impunity in municipal law. They use it to control the USA. They killed JFK, RFK, Mary Pinchot Meyer, George de Mohrenschildt, and lots of other cognizant people because that’s what CIA was chartered to do, kill or torture people to maintain totalitarian control.

    What you will do now is passive-aggressively avoid that evident point and repeat some variant of nyah-nyah-nyah. All to hold on to the CIA line that CIA’s not in charge. Funny how in all this perseverative Internet noise, that is the residual message, the irreducible core.

    • 同意: utu
    • 回复: @utu
    , @Dillon Sweeny
    , @Alden
    , @Alden
  381. @D. K.

    Thanks. It is quite baffling that something so apparently simple wasn’t (I presume) wrapped up by the House Select Committee.

    • 回复: @D. K.
  382. @lysias

    Douglas Horne’ s five-volume “Inside the Assassination Records Review Board”

    It is possible that convincing evidence for a conspiracy is hidden in plain sight, for example in a work such as this one.

    A five-volume work is great for documenting facts for the historical record. However, it needs something more to get the story heard, and make people think – a much shorter summary, covering the essential points and the most important evidence, serialized in a newspaper or on a website such as this one.

    • 回复: @lysias
  383. LondonBob 说:

    I read a couple of books on JFK years back including Piper’s, and basically came to the same conclusion. Interestingly Colonel John Hughes-Wilson, with his impeccable military intelligence background, agrees with Piper’s hypothesis too. I don’t take much interest since as it seems we know everything now and most JFK researchers are going round in circles. No doubt Angleton was key to the execution, and LBJ to the coverup, both had reasons of their own, as well as very close links with Israel.

    Only interesting thing I have come across since is that the mysterious babushka lady, who filmed the assasination from the best angle, bears a remarkable resemblance to one of Jack Ruby’s sisters. Then that is why it is an interesting whodunnit.

  384. Si1ver1ock 说:

    Well, it has been an interesting conversation. It is one thing for some of older us folk to chew the fat about JFK, RFK, LBJ and so forth, but what are young people to think about all this? How are they supposed to make sense of our occulted history?

    For me, the lesson is to be vigilant. That is hard to do when the nation has been traumatized. The JKF, MLK, RFK, 911, attacks were all traumatic events. People were so overloaded they simply went into shock. So, what to do?

    1. Demand a real forensic investigation.
    2. At the first sign of evidence tampering, scream loudly.
    3. Government panels like the Warren Commission and 911 Commission are deeply suspect.

    Donald Jeffries has a new book out called:

    Hidden History: An Exposé of Modern Crimes, Conspiracies, and Cover-Ups in American Politics

    It should probably be required reading in civics classes. He gives an interview here:

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Alden
  385. Sparkon 说:
    @ians

    Yes, you’re quite right that TSBD employee Carolyn Arnold reported seeing Oswald in the 2nd floor lunchroom around 12:15 in an interview with the journalist Earl Golz in 1978.

    However, in her initial statement to the FBI on 11/26/1963, Arnold said she thought she saw Oswald standing inside the front door of the TSBD:

    Statement to FBI, 26 November 1963

    Mrs. R. E. ARNOLD, Secretary, Texas School Book Depository, advised she was in her office on the second floor of the building on November 22, 1963, and left that office between 12:00 and 12:15 PM, to go downstairs and stand in front of the building to view the Presidential Motorcade. As she was standing in front of the building, she stated she thought she caught a fleeting glimpse of LEE HARVEY OSWALD standing in the hallway between the front door and the double doors leading to the warehouse, located on the first floor. She could not be sure that this was OSWALD, but said she felt it was and believed the time to be a few minutes before 12:15 PM.

    Note that the initial “statement” is rather the FBI’s 意译 of Arnold’s actual words, which are not included.

    In her second statement to the FBI in March 1964, Arnold merely said she did not see Oswald at the time the President was shot.

    http://22november1963.org.uk/carolyn-arnold-witness-oswald

  386. @Achilles

    7. Oswald bungles the aftermath and is captured alive. Mossad contacts Ruby. To save Israel, we must silence Oswald so that no word of Israel’s involvement can ever be discovered by investigators. To save Israel, Ruby kills Oswald and never speaks a word of Israel’s involvement.

    The precise nature of points 1 to 6 may be different; but point 7 is the important one.

    What motivated Jack Ruby to kill Oswald? Either Ruby was part of the conspiracy, and would have got a longer sentence if Oswald had talked than he did for actually killing him; or Ruby believed in a cause that was more important to him than his personal liberty. Maybe both.

    Several commenters have suggested that Israel would never have dared kill a US President because of the dire consequences of being caught. That risk to Israel would have been evident to Jack Ruby.

  387. lysias 说:
    @James N. Kennett

    It’s been some years since I read Horne’ s work, but my recollection is that the fifth of the five volumes adequately summarizes the whole work. In fact, even if you read all five volumes, my recommendation is to read the final volume first, so that you can better understand the argument of the preceding volumes.

  388. In 1978 longtime CIA Counter-intelligence chief James Angleton and a colleague provided Marchetti with an explosive leak, stating that the agency might be planning to admit a connection to the assassination, which had involved three shooters, but place the blame upon E. Howard Hunt, a former CIA officer who had become notorious during Watergate, and scapegoat him as a rogue agent, along with a few other equally tarnished colleagues.

    If Marchetti can be believed, you have to wonder why Angleton would take such a step: it would prove a conspiracy involving CIA staffers and, if followed through, it would have encouraged Hunt to tell everything he knew.

    Perhaps by this time Angleton had gone completely mad.

  389. 在短短几段中总结超过300,000字的Piper的历史和分析显然是不可能的,但是以上讨论提供了对大量支持Piper假说的间接证据的合理品味。

    I read a couple of chapters of Piper’s book after it was promoted in an earlier article on this site. There is plenty of intriguing material there, but the book has a number of faults that are partly a result of self-publication. It is rambling, self-congratulatory, and polemical; and it mixes important and overlooked information with half-truths and the unimportant. It clearly would have benefited from the services of a professional editor – or better still, a trusted co-author who had an open mind on Piper’s main hypothesis. Nevertheless the book is worth reading.

  390. Alden 说:
    @Achilles

    That letter is certainly evidence of paranoid Israel worship. There is a good movie on Netflix, Beyond JFK.

    It’s a documentary about the Garrison investigation and charges against Clay Shaw.

    Earl Ruby s featured. He claims that Jack didn’t really intend to kill Oswald. All Jack wanted to was woundOswald to cause him physical pain. Yeah right.

    The only way killing Oswald would help Israel is if Oswald had knowledge implicating Israel in the killing of Kennedy.

    It’s interesting how authors of the 2,000 books all managed to pick what they’d include in those books.

    Another interesting thing is the way the Kennedy killing hobbyist lunatics grandiosly assume that anyone who deviates from their particular obsession is a government spy after then.

    If 35 government agencies conspired to kill Kennedy they have no need to search the internet refuting hobbyists.
    All your crazy ideas refute themselves and are so crazy it’s no wonder no one believes them.
    It’s almost as if the CIA and 34 other agencies who killed Kennedy just let the hobbyists write their books until the country lost interest.

    • 回复: @ians
  391. utu 说:
    @Achilles

    Very interesting. Ruby’s letter to his brother is mind blowing. It sounds delusional and psychotic but we must keep in mind that this level of delusion and psychosis for Jews is kind of normal when it comes to the preservation of Jewish people. When was it written?

    A theory that Mossad actually was using Cubans has some legs. However it is possible that Oswald was a patsy and did not shoot anybody but wad involved. Then killing him was imperative for the plotters to make an assassin out of him. It is hard to believe that plotters would depend on one guy who decides to do it w/o a good escape plan. We will not solve the problem of one or many shooters within the realm of qui bono and alternative scenarios. But we need to test some of these scenarios to see how possibly Ruby and Mossad were connected to the assassination.

    Do you have something on Ruby meeting a journalist from Israel before killing Oswald and a possible connection to Yitzhak Rabin’s presence in Dallas.

    Piper, I think did not know about (1. Ruby’s letter, (2) Mark Felt was behind the Deep Throat, (3) that Rabin was in Dallas.

  392. utu 说:
    @Anonymous

    Is this all you can do, run from evidence and talk big like you made a point? That’s more convincing when you’re able to argue your way out of a paper bag.

    Keep in mind you are dealing with a senior citizen who does not have all the cards in the deck left to play. He often does not know what he argues for or against but he likes to argue anyway. He does not realize that he casts himself in the role of a troll. Wiz of Oz is another one.

  393. utu 说:
    @redmudhooch

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/284979-ajt.html

    Thanks for the copy of Atlanta Jewish Time oped calling for the assassination of President of the US on account of him being bad for Israel.

  394. @Anonymous

    We don’t take assignments from manipulative weasels here.

    Yet another arrogant, know-it-all peckerhead mounts the Bullshit Soapbox. Ain’t a one of you Internet kitchen knights knows jackshit — of conspiracies, plots, or CIA intrigue. I have not seen such an assemblage of trumpeting blowhards blatting wild presumption since DB Cooper collected his \$200K.

    • 回复: @Alden
  395. Alden 说:
    @Anonymous

    You sure think highly of yourself don’t you? 55 years and 2,000 books later you know all the answers; although you can’t name one person or 10 persons who did the shooting or organized the killing.

    It’s just CIA CIA and 35 other police departments including the entire Dallas PD. And how many motives are there? 10?20?30?

  396. Alden 说:
    @Anonymous

    You don’t even know what municipal law is do you??? It’s city town and village ordinances. According to its charter CIA is not supposed to do anything at all in the United States.

  397. Anonymous [AKA "SVU Dumbshit City"] 说:

    Murders of scores of influential dissenters including but not limited to a US head of state and a UN Secretary-General. Domestic mass murders including Oklahoma City, the WTC, and Boston. All blatant insults to your intelligence, with gimpy fake investigations or half-assed corny frame-ups sagging over like Clouseau’s inflatable parrot, lamer every day. And nobody in authority gives a shit about the overwhelming evidence you stuff in through their transoms.

    Now you could keep beavering away at your endless succession of whodunits like a syndicated Angela Lansbury carcass on TV. Or you could step back and think – hm. Forest, trees, you know.

    One government organization has been granted the power to commit crimes and declare them state secrets. But somehow nobody ever thinks to suggest, Hey, how about we take away CIA’s get-out-of-jail-free-card, and see if this shit dies down to a dull roar?

    Now this is not some genius brainwave nobody ever thought of. The entire outside world has been telling us this for more than a decade. The US government really, really, does not want to hear it. When the US shoehorned Bolton into the UN with a recess appointment, he had one job. Know what it was? He constipated the UN Summit Outcome with 700 amendments, just to keep the word impunity out of the touchy parts. No Stalinist Soviet delegate ever was a bigger asshole. Gee, ya think maybe the whole frickin world is onto something?

    So you decide. Up to you. The next president can accede to the Rome Statute with a quick concurrent resolution (and don’t give me this Senate shit – What do think fast track is?) That commits the government to prosecute or extradite CIA criminals. Or, we can wait till CIA loses their war with the SCO and Russia hangs Gina Haspel’s droopy ass, plus all of Washington, DC.

  398. Skeptikal 说:
    @James N. Kennett

    ” because even today we are wondering which of JFK’s policies prompted his assassination!”

    Just because “we” are still wondering doesn’t mean a potential target of the message failed to get it.
    That logic is faulty.
    *如果* the assassination can be seen as a “message” at all, clearly the perps didn’t give a flying F about what the public thought. And this has continued for the past 50 years, as large portions of the public have demanded a new investigation, but basically none has taken place. So the unintentional message has actually been read loud and clear by the American and world public: this event involved some element(s) of the deep state who don’t have to care what the public thinks. They do their own thing!

    The same message, actually, was beamed to future presidents: the Deep State was in charge, so don’t fuck around and think about leaving the reservation. Clear message there!

    There are people still alive who know who was responsible for the assassination. They have learned the lesson that you keep your mouth shut if you want to live long. Another class of the people who know who ordered and planned the assassination are the lanner(s) themselves. These people have heard the message that you *能够* get away with murder of a president. It was part of their pre-Dallas skill set was knowledge of how to do t his and confidence that they could bring it off the assassination and the cover-up.

    Actually, the Assassination is kind of like the mystery on the Orient Express. There were so many possible perps with credible motivations. In the end, it turns out they were all involved. It as a—wait for it!—conspiracy!! think there were multiple motivations and parties involved in the killing of Kennedy. It was a conspiracy that possibly involved hundreds of people, but many of them not knowing what they were a part of. So, a major opeational challenge. Someone out there was up to setting all of the pieces in place. Who had this ability? What type of person or entity? Figuring out how all the parts were related operationally is the challenge for investigators.

    One element of the value of Ron’s essay is his attempt to parse the significance of the failure to conduct a real investigation to identifying the actual perpetrators. This point is a significant piece of the puzzle.

    As for the suggested perps as citizens or affiliates of the State of Israel, the assassination was probably a graduate-level challenge but one for which they had been practicing and preparing for years, in both a theoretical and a practical sense, so that they became ever more expert. On to the next: 9/11 . From Lansky to Silverstein . . .

    Oops! Anti-semitism alert!!!!

    • 回复: @MacNucc11
    , @AL Tru
  399. Alden 说:
    @ians

    If you ever had any law enforcement experience you would know that the fact that a suspect says he dindu nuffin musa been some other dude doesn’t mean the suspect is innocent.

    Why this defense of Oswald? Do you identify with this weirdo loser who couldn’t hold a job? The loser who had to depend on the Paines to pay for his wife’s welfare fee for childbirth at the county hospital? I mean, it’s one thing to have a baby at the county hospital. But not even to have the sliding scale fee charged people on welfare?

    And then he shot a police officer in full sight of 3 witnesses just feet away. Some conspirator.

  400. Goatweed 说:

    Oswald killed Kennedy and Tippit (sp?) and the paraffin test(?) didn’t show the nitrogen?

    Is a negative result likely after two killings?

  401. Alden 说:
    @Si1ver1ock

    All the forensics in the world won’t help if there is no suspect that can be charged.

    And 55 years later the only suspects were Oswald who’s dead and Clay Shaw who was only charged with conspiracy because Ferrie died and was found innocent and exonerated in less than an hour.

  402. Alden 说:
    @ians

    So you believe Castro’s statement? It’s my personal opinion that Castro had nothing to do with Kennedy’s murder.

    But I don’t base my belief on anything Castro said. You’ve never heard of objectivity have you?

    • 回复: @ians
  403. Si1ver1ock 说:

    One last tidbit. There are still some people around today who may have insight into the JFK incident. I guess we could make a list and have someone go around and ask them for their take on the matter. One last chance to get their views on the record before they pass on.

    亨利·基辛格

    G. Gorden Liddy

    帕特里克·布坎南

    其他人?

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
    , @MacNucc11
    , @Skeptikal
  404. @Alden

    Ah, that explains everything. Anon’s a washout cop! Who else could possibly be stupid enough not to know what municipal law is? Only some guy on a featherbedded white-man’s welfare cop job who passed his Wonderlic test with flying colors. Safely under 104 IQ.

    • 回复: @Alden
  405. Alden 说:
    @ians

    President Carter and his CIA head Turner fired more than 800 CIA agents from the operations division which does the dirty work.
    Yet no one tried to kill Carter and Turner although Carter and Turner actually destroyed the operations division.

    If CIA is as powerful as you claim, they would have seen to it that JFK was not re elected in November 1964. It was the Illinois electoral votes that won the presidency for Kennedy. And there was massive fraud in favor of Kennedy in crooked corrupt Chicago.

    Today’s media is insanely anti Trump but his voters still approve of him and many who didn’t vote for Trump are turned off by the insane anti Trump media.

    There was a similar situation when Kennedy was president. The media was insanely pro Kennedy. But the Kennedy worship didn’t change the mind of those who voted against Kennedy. And the ridiculous Kennedy worship was beginning to turn a lot of Democrats away from Kennedy.

    The intellectual wing of the Democrat party such as Eleanor Roosevelt, Adlai Stevenson, Fulbright never liked Kennedy and didn’t want him nominated

    The then powerful labor wing of the Democrats endured 10 years of brother Robert investigating corruption in the unions and was turning against Kennedy. The White southerners were turning against the Democrats as well.

    There were a lot of democrats turning against Kennedy. Some claimed that pushing Jackie into the spotlight was to make up for JFKs weaknesses and to hide his medical condition and dependence on steroids, amphetamines and strong pain killers?

    Why not wait a few months and help the anti Kennedy Democrats and the republican candidate in the 1964 election?

    That scenario makes a lot more sense than a murder that was never solved and just lead to more Life of Saint John the Savior and Miracle Worker books

    • 回复: @Sparkon
    , @James N. Kennett
  406. Alden 说:
    @TS/SCI/TURNIPTRUCK

    Better a 100 IQ than a 70 IQ like yours. One of the biggest problems the Development Disabled like you have is that they will believe anything they are told.

  407. Alden 说:
    @Dillon Sweeny

    I always heard the Kennedy hobbyists were a lot of lunatics.. These comments confirm it. No real suspects, just ridiculous wanking over autopsy photos

    • 同意: David In TN
    • 回复: @James N. Kennett
  408. @Wizard of Oz

    I concede the ļogic of your argument

    The Soviets, who surely had some hard-headed KGB analysts, followed the same logic. Thus according to a memo from FBI Director Edgar J. Hoover to President Johnson’s office, the Soviets believed that the assassination was the result of:

    some well-organized conspiracy on the part of the ‘ultraright’ in the United States to effect a ‘coup.’

    Moreover, according to this informant, the Soviets:

    seemed convinced that the assassination was not the deed of one man but that it arose out of a carefully planned campaign in which several people played a part.

    So the Commies got the intended message: Kennedy was killed because he was soft on Communism. And although Kennedy had failed the test of leadership, American leadership consisted in more than one man, and thus the poor judgement of of a weak president would not be allowed to prevail.

    • 回复: @MacNucc11
    , @James N. Kennett
  409. @Si1ver1ock

    You don’t need to bother with the opinions of the likes of Henry Kissinger, people that is, who would lie to you as readily as they would tell the truth if it suited their argument.

    Just pay attention to the eye-witness testimony of the doctors and surgeons who attended on dying President at Parkland Hospital. There you have proof that the Warren Commission report was a cover up. After that, you just have to use a bit of imagination and you come to the same conclusion as did the Soviets, who recognized the assassination for what it was: a coup d’état, against a weak president who was soft on Communism.

  410. MacNucc11 说:
    @David In TN

    That is why it is never definitively shown that a president slept with someone other than their wife. The people he had to arrange his trysts were trusted and for good reason.

  411. MacNucc11 说:
    @Alden

    Does being a marine qualify him as a loser? From what I hear from a lot of commentators it makes you at least capable of pulling off a pretty impressive feat with a gun. No one is identifying with this guy. That is clearly projection on your part. Someone stating that it is implausible that he pulled this off on his own and was not part of a conspiracy is not defending Oswald. One could ask you the question why proposing the phony lone nut over the obvious conspiracy?

    • 回复: @Alden
  412. MacNucc11 说:
    @Skeptikal

    I agree although I personally differ on one point. It is not that they are all in on it, but that they all could have been and had sufficient motive. That makes them all suspects, which means they all close ranks on a false narrative after the fact so long as it leads away from them. They also all benefit. I made a similar point to a comment about Johnson. He would have helped cover up just because he was such a prime suspect himself. Whatever he does he needs to side with the powers who have the ability to point people in the wrong direction. Was he in on it? Maybe. Would he help cover it up? Absolutely.

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  413. Sean 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    Except that their cover story led men being arrested, and photographed.

    [更多]

    And Edward Lansdale managed to get in the photo call too

    Not only booked but photographed by newsmen in the street and recognised as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_tramps#Other_allegations:_Charles_Harrelson,_Charles_Rogers,_and_Chauncey_Holt or

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_tramps#Early_allegations:_E._Howard_Hunt_and_Frank_Sturgis

    They don’t look all that well dressed, and they are not even trying to hide their faces. But considering how incompetent Hunt was that is perhaps not surprising.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  414. Alden 说:
    @Sparkon

    Nothing has been disproven. Only one thing has been proven; Jack Ruby shot and killed Oswald

    It’s good that the shooting happened on a Sunday morning when millions of people were watching the murder on TV.

    Otherwise all the Kennedy hobbiest lunatics would be writing books and ranting on the internet that Ruby did not kill Oswald.

  415. Anonymous [AKA "bier"] 说:

    Time for Part III. This thread is starting to smell like one of Anon’s Miller High Life burps.

    https://whowhatwhy.org/2016/02/16/the-full-story-of-the-sirhan-sirhan-parole-hearing/

    • 回复: @Iris
  416. Alden 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    A lot of the hobbiest lunatics don’t know the difference between government agencies or federal and state law.

    It’s just a big conspiracy against their childhood hero JFK.

    • 回复: @bluedog
    , @ians
  417. MacNucc11 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    Seems to me that the soviets got it partly right. Kennedy was weak on a cold war. It was the communist system that was weak. Maybe he realized this maybe not. Most of the soviet military might was faked but they did have the bomb. They also got it right that Oswald was no commie.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  418. Alden 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    Kennedy was always presented as a cold warrior. Most considered him very anti communist as was every President from Truman to Regean and Bush until the end of Soviet rule over Europe in 1990.

    Kennedy “won” the 1960 election by promising to build more missiles than Russia and claiming the Republicans were soft in Russia.

    Maybe the 35 government agencies that conspired to kill him had it on tape that Kennedy was secretly pro communist.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  419. Skeptikal 说:
    @MacNucc11

    I guess I take your point.
    Although if one wasn’t the actual perp, how would one recognize the “false narrative” as false?
    Of course, in this case the official narrative is so absurd that it is obvious that it is a false narrative.
    And therefore, one would think, that much harder to maintain . . .

    Actually, though, I do think that in a sense they were “all” in on it. That is, not “all” people iwth an ax to grind with Kennedy, but a few pivotal figures who could count on silent support from many other very influential people who would be better off if that “son of a bitch” Jack Kennedy were removed from the earth.
    1. Because the interests of the prime suspects who have identifiable motivation overlap in so many ways. This I feel is the value of Douglass’s book, JFK and the Unspeakable: he maps out the big picture following the end of WW2, which really wasn’t that far in the past. And in so doing he shows how many of the threads of hatred of Kennedy actually were intertwined. This makes it harder to figure out who is “the single plotter,” but easier to imagine the outlines of a broader conspiracy where a few pivotal players know that others, even if not actively involved, will be delighted if the murder is pulled off and will help in any cover-up.
    2. Because it seems credible and likely to me that different players (Texas pols/CIA/French mob/Israel) were active on different layers of the event, depending on their area of expertise and control. For just one example, I would think that whoever organized and put in place the actual shooters probably was not the same person who was able to order that the corpse be spirited away for a “makeover” before the official autopsy. There has to have been someone within the Dallas Police Department who was getting orders from someone, but would that DP guy have known the actual outlines of the whole conspiracy and who is in the next layer or two layers above? I bet the answer is no. There had to be a mastermind of some kind coordinating the field maneuvers, even if that entity was not the origin of the plot. But I bet the thing was set up with a cell structure that would allow deniability for the grunts on the ground.

    I think Ron is right: this thing wasn’t put together by a bunch mob rubes who could maybe organize a simple ambush of an enemy, but not such a complex operation as this. The cover-up and competence to monitor potential witnesses and, over a multi-year time span, to eliminate them suddenly when it became necessary seems to me like another significant piece of evidence. Who had this capability, combining both surveillance or humint on hundreds of individuals with the competence to administer accidental death quickly via “heart attack” etc.?

    • 回复: @lysias
    , @MacNucc11
    , @Sean
    , @Hu Mi Yu
  420. Sparkon 说:
    @Alden

    President Carter and his CIA head Turner fired more than 800 CIA agents from the operations division which does the dirty work.
    Yet no one tried to kill Carter and Turner although Carter and Turner actually destroyed the operations division.

    There’s more than one way to skin a cat, and of course Lyndon Johnson and Jimmy Carter were entirely different breeds of cat, so to say.

    Certainly, Pres. Carter wasn’t planning on removing VP Mondale from his ticket in ’80, nor did he have the twin scandals of Bobby Baker and Billy Sol Estes hanging around his neck.

    According to the president’s secretary, Evelyn Lincoln, Kennedy had decided that because of this emerging scandal he was going to drop Lyndon B. Johnson as his running mate in the 1964 election. He told Lincoln that he was going to replace Johnson with Terry Sanford.

    On 22nd November, 1963, a friend of Baker’s, Don B. Reynolds told B. Everett Jordan and his Senate Rules Committee that Johnson had demanded that he provided kickbacks in return for this business. This included a \$585 Magnavox stereo. Reynolds also had to pay for \$1,200 worth of advertising on KTBC, Johnson’s television station in Austin. Reynolds had paperwork for this transaction including a delivery note that indicated the stereo had been sent to the home of Johnson.

    Don B. Reynolds also told of seeing a suitcase full of money which Baker described as a “\$100,000 payoff to Johnson for his role in securing the Fort Worth TFX contract”. His testimony came to an end when news arrived that President John F. Kennedy had been assassinated.

    https://nostalgia049.wordpress.com/2013/09/25/lbjs-options-assassinate-jfk-or-go-to-prison/

    No need for bullets when you’ve got Reagan, Thatcher, and Bush:

    曼索尔拥有成千上万的文件来支持他的立场,他说“人质危机”是由中央情报局亲布什派系创造的政治“管理工具”,并通过与霍梅尼的伊斯兰原教旨主义者的先验联盟实施。 他说目的是双重的:

    • To keep Iran intact and communist-free by putting Khomeini in full control.
    • To destablize the Carter Administration and put George Bush in the White House.

    Mansoor produced a confidential document called the “Country Team Minutes” of April 26, 1978, more than a year before the hostage crisis. The meeting was held in Iran. The second paragraph of the routine minutes, states, “The Ambassador commented on our distinguished visitors, Ronald Reagan, George Bush and Margaret Thatcher, and commented that Teheran seems to be the site for an opposition parties congress.”

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-real-iranian-hostage-crisis-a-cia-covert-op/5324385

    • 回复: @Alden
  421. utu 说:
    @David In TN

    谢谢你的回复,但我坚持我的论点。 通过性丑闻在政治上和道德上摧毁肯尼迪总统比复杂的谋杀阴谋更容易、更安全。

    Think about this way. They did not have a know know how to pull it off. You need a good control of media. While killing people has been practiced for thousands of years. Torah can be considered as a text book manual for how to kill people. It is much easier to kill you than to plant a body of a dead woman or live young boy in your bed.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  422. Alden 说:
    @Dube

    The King is Dead Long Live the King.

    Does the secret service have jurisdiction over, and responsibility for a dead president? It’s job is to protect the president, his family and other officials.
    Johnson was president the minute Kennedy died.

    I’d say the Admiral, not the secret service was in charge of a Navy building and Navy personnel.

    The secret service are shits. They rampage into a city, close down major streets for 24 hours with no notice what so ever leaving thousands stranded.

    They close down half the airport with no notice.

    They didn’t even notify city police when Obama came to Los Angeles the first 2 times. They wanted to arrest a woman I know who drove out of her own garage and driveway onto the street in front of her house because they had closed it without notice the night before. She called the BH police who rescued her.

    Even though Los Angeles is an Obama worshipping city, the Mayor and council critters managed to force the secret service to give us a few days notice after the first 2 fiascos.

    First time it happened we assumed it was an earthquake or some other horrible event.

    Some people never got home that night. There are hundreds of city buses that go to the main train station and people take the train to their suburban homes. Those commuter trains usually stop
    at 8 and the buses weren’t allowed to move till Obama was on his flight home.
    Bus drivers were happy because they got lots of overtime hours.

  423. Sean 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Well it surprised me, but:-

    http://spartacus-educational.com/SSgolitsin.htm

    He demanded that he be interviewed by James Angleton. He insisted that no one else in the CIA was smart enough or knew enough to question him. Attorney General Robert Kennedy went to see Golitsyn and was told that the CIA was deliberately keeping him away from Angleton. He promised to take up the case with President John F. Kennedy. (4)

    As a result of President Kennedy’s intervention, Golitsyn was interviewed by Angleton. A fellow officer, Edward Perry, later recalled: “With the single exception of Golitsyn, Angleton was inclined to assume that any defector or operational asset in place was controlled by the KGB.”

    Angleton was chief of CIA Counterintelligence from 1954 to 1975.

    This is somewhat tangential to the danger that Robert Kennedy would pose to plotters after the Assassination of JFK, but one might wonder how the conspiracy inside the CIA trying to feel out potential allies could establish its bona fides as authentic CIA or Israeli and 不是 b a KGB operation to assassinate the President of the United States of America by using the country’s own agencies. Angleton was far from the only one in the CIA who thought that there were Soviet agents at the highest levels.

    Real estate investor Sam Zell, a Jewish billionaire extremely devoted to Israel, had orchestrated a leveraged-buyout of the Tribune Company, parent of the Los Angeles Times and the Chicago Tribune, …while he bore relatively little of the risk. ..the complex deal quickly collapsed into bankruptcy, and although Zell emerged almost unscathed, the editors and journalists lost decades of their accumulated pension dollars, while massive layoffs soon devastated the newsrooms of what had been two of the country’s largest and most prestigious newspapers.

    Even if presented as a home grown Texas patriot/gangster coup, how could anyone in the CIA be sure that the conspiracy he was joining was not a leveraged coup by Soviet intelligence. Jews may trust Jews, but even the ones on Kennedy’s staff (assuming for the sake of argument they had loyalty to the Jewish state) would have no way of knowing if they were approached to participate in a Mossad operation that they were not being duped and co-opted by an American or Israeli who was really working for the KGB. Many Soviet spies in the US were Jewish, so an even an Israeli would not be beyond suspicion.

    Anyway, Robert Kennedy involved himself far more in the CIA’s counter- intelligence than his official duties would lead one to expect. This was especially true of the CIA subversion/ terrorism/ assassination attempts, and he knew the leading personalities in the CIA ZR/rifle assassination resource or Mongoose AKA Cuban Project. Planning the assassination of Cuban leaders including Castro was a part of that plan. .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Project

    The U.S. Defense Department’s Joint Chiefs of Staff saw the project’s ultimate objective to be to provide adequate justification for U.S. military intervention in Cuba. They requested that the Secretary of Defense assign them responsibility for the project, but Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy retained effective control. […] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Project#Planning
    U.S. Air Force Major General Edward Lansdale, head of Operation Mongoose Mongoose was led by Edward Lansdale at the Defense Department and William King Harvey at the CIA. Lansdale was chosen due to his experience with counter-insurgency in the Philippines during the Hukbalahap Rebellion, as well as because of his experience supporting Vietnam’s Diem regime. Samuel Halpern, a CIA co-organizer, conveyed the breadth of involvement: “CIA and the US Army and military forces and Department of Commerce, and Immigration, Treasury, God knows who else – everybody was in Mongoose. It was a government-wide operation run out of Bobby Kennedy’s office with Ed Lansdale as the mastermind。” [24]

  424. lysias 说:
    @Skeptikal

    Peter Janney’ s book “Mary’s Mosaic” indicates that it was the CIA that was responsible for the murder of Mary Pinchot Meyer, one of those witnesses. Since the author was the son of a high CIA official, whom he accuses of being involved in the murder, and also knew such CIA figure as Cord Meyer and James Jesus Angleton, as well as Mary Meyer herself, I am inclined to believe him.

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  425. Alden 说:
    @Sparkon

    Oh my God crazier and crazier.

    So you claim that 12 months before the 1980 election the CIA Georgr Bush 1 and Ronald Regean convinced the Iranian revolutionaries to seize the American embassy and hold the staff hostage for more than a year.

    I thought the original conspiracy theory was that Regean and Bush didn’t conspire with Iran until October 1980 11 months after the embassy was seized.

    You people are unbelievable

    • 回复: @manorchurch
  426. Alden 说:
    @MacNucc11

    Aren’t you one of the fools who claim that Oswald hadn’t the skills to shoot Kennedy?

    • 回复: @MacNucc11
    , @peterAUS
  427. Alden 说:
    @Si1ver1ock

    Kids watch TV and Netflix and use the internet. There are dozens of documentaries about mysteries and conspiracies. I like the one that claims there’s no gold in Fort Knox.

    Maybe the CIA stole the gold and killed Kennedy because he found out

    • 回复: @Sean
    , @peterAUS
  428. MacNucc11 说:
    @Alden

    True, I believe he did not. My point exactly. Does not mean I am defending him.

  429. MacNucc11 说:
    @Skeptikal

    I agree with this. There were plenty of people involved, and the only thing most of them would have to talk about is something vague like they were told to change something on a medical report. They were told to stand in a window, they were told to say they saw something, they were told to carry a package to work, they saw Oswald here or there. After the fact they would possibly suspect that something they did may have had some impact but they would not have had anything all that remarkable to tell anyone about.

  430. Sean 说:
    @David In TN

    The press knew all about Kennedy’s willing sex slave interns. None of it came out because the Kennedy’s aids knew all about the press corps sexual peccadillo’s , and they would have been reprisals in kind. She was from behind the Iron Curtain which made it more dangerous that the countless others including other men’s wives he had as pres, but women did not rat on Kennedy, and without her testimony they had just another rumour . It’s like Bill Cosby, reporter know their audience people don’t really want to hear about their hero being a shit.

    There is that book Secret Coup arguing that Watergate was actually to do with the risque past of John Dean’s wife. Liddy knows more than anyone and he believes if and Dean failed to win a civil case against Liddy. The Watergate bugs were not in a room used by senior democrats for strategy , they were on the phone of a minor functionary who may have been involved in arranging female escorts. Kennedy might have been able to get down after the first shots but he was in a back brace in Dallas (possibly due to him over exerting himself at a ranch pool party with a gaggle of German airline stews, not long before).

    Trivial things and motives can have big consequences. I think that is a big reason why people find it difficult to believe that a twerp like Oswald could really smoke Kennedy without something much bigger behind the scenes.

    • 回复: @Alden
  431. Sean 说:
    @Alden

    That Bilko episode in which to get rid of a thug in the unit he pretends to be plotting to rob Fort Knox could have been “We are going to kill the president, you want in?”. Hunt said it happened to him.

  432. peterAUS 说:
    @Alden

    Maybe the CIA stole the gold and killed Kennedy because he found out

    不同意。

    It was actually the plot run by top Illuminati cabal, mostly Ashkenazi Jews, with some lizard bloodline here and there. They used Mossad which then gave orders to CIA and KGB to steal the gold.
    It’s now in a secret storage in Israel.

    Hess knew about it and that’s why he was kept in prison for so long and later murdered by Shin Bet operatives.

    A rogue FBI agent compiled the story and shared it with Naval Intelligence fellow. The fellow was on “Liberty” and that’s why the ship was bombed by IAF.

    One copy of the manuscript was in Building 7 and that’s why it was brought down my termite put there by Mossad working together with Delta Force. Other two buildings were brought down just to throw off the potential investigation.

    Assange was also on that and that’s why he is in trouble.

    A couple of things are still missing in all that, but I am working on it.

    The conspiracy started around 10 000 years ago and has some very bad plans for human race in not so distant future. That’s why we must unravel it and inform the people.

    I’l continue when get back from my G.P. Run out of meds.
    More to follow tomorrow.

    • 回复: @Alden
  433. Alden 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I just read Farewell America on the internet White print on a navy background. I hate that.
    The book was nothing but a generalized diatribe against America.

    JFK instituted affirmative action federal jobs and government contracts fir blacks so the evil White racists killed Him

    Kennedy was going to make Peace on Earth with Cuba Russia and China do the anti communist evil Americans killed him.

    Robert Kennedy re created himself from the anti labor union anti communist who worked for Joe McCarthy exposing communists to a 60s 70s radical. He already had one victim group the blacks. He planned on more affirmative action He made Hispanic farm worker activist Cesear Chavez famous. He was going to stop the war in Vietnam. He was going to desegregate the schools so black kids would be as intelligent and educated as Whites.

    That was RFKs platform. He commissioned that book to represent America as evil racist right wing

    Then Saint Robert the Redeemer would become president, wave his magic wand and Saint Robert would uplift the blacks and farm workers and institute Peace On Earth forever and ever amen

    But then he was martyred.

    Read the book. It’s online It’s just typical 196os left wing crap.

  434. peterAUS 说:
    @Alden

    Aren’t you one of the fools who claim that Oswald hadn’t the skills to shoot Kennedy?

    On a more serious…hehe…note, it was me I am afraid.

    I stick to it, 根据 on a timeframe.

    Now, we don’t know the actual timeframe so, the point is moot.

    Bang/start stopwatch…..bang…..bang/stop stopwatch.

    3 shots within 7秒..无道.
    3 shots within 9 seconds..doable.
    3 shots within 12 seconds……easy.

    That rifle, that angle, that distance, that target.

    C’mon…Americans….of all people at least you can test it with ease. A beauty of the 2nd.

    I believe some people tried and failed.Seven seconds fail I mean.

    • 回复: @James N. Kennett
  435. Sean 说:
    @Skeptikal

    So why did they not eliminate Kennedy by the same heart attack method? He got non medical amphetamine injections from Dr Feelgood. His Addison’s disease required he take cortisol to keep him alive; even so his health was poor. Easiest way to kill a junkie is …

  436. Alden 说:
    @Iris

    You must still believe in Santa Claus.

    You must be one of those women who poured over all the pictures and articles about Jackie, Ethel Joan and Rose in all those magazines glorifying them.

    Well, Jackie was the Princess Dianna of her era, from 1955 till the day she died.

    • 回复: @David In TN
  437. @prusmc

    I think that deserves a bit more attention here. We all know that LBJ was sleazy and ruthless, but he does seem to have had qualms about outright murder. After the JFK assassination he would deliberately infuriate RFK with out-loud musing that it was divine retribution for the murder of Diem. (In the clip above he accepts responsibility with a collective “we,” but he doesn’t seem very happy about it.) And he was also not a supporter of the various plots against Castro, which he memorably compared to Murder Inc.

    That “treason” poster is also remarkable for never mentioning South Vietnam. You would think there would hardly have been a better example of “betraying our friends” than the murder of an allied leader, but that is ignored and instead references are made to now-forgotten controversies about Portugal and the short-lived Republic of Katanga.

  438. Hu Mi Yu 说:
    @Skeptikal

    Who had this capability, combining both surveillance or humint on hundreds of individuals with the competence to administer accidental death quickly via “heart attack” etc.?

    Eisenhower. The deep state was divided in its loyalty. Some refused to accept Kennedy was legally elected. They claimed the 22nd amendment was not valid. Johnson was Eisenhower’s plan B for remaining in power.

    I heard this kind of talk along with the words “treason” and “communist” a lot in 1962-63. One CIA employee claimed that evolution was a communist propaganda, and when I suggested to him that Kennedy probably believed in evolution he promised he would find out. If Kennedy believed in evolution, then he was a communist, and they would “做一点事” about it.

    I asked him what they going to do, and he said “With fifty armed men on drugs, we can change the government.=

    Possibly the 50 armed men on drugs could have been Eisenhower’s secret service detail which was equal in size to Kennedy’s.

    This CIA employee drugged me many times, starting at the age of 11. His favorite drug was scopolamine. Now scopolamine is commonly prescribed for seasickness, but it has many uses. It induces amnesia. It can also put people into a zombie-like state where they will do whatever they are told and not remember it later. It is hard to believe how dangerous this drug is unless you have experienced it.

    This man’s picture is in Piper’s book. His alias in Dallas was Guy Bannister.

  439. @TheBoom

    “As the Jews cement power…”

    So the Jews are just now cementing power? So how were they able 55 years ago to swoop into Dallas, Texas, kill the POTUS without being seen? LOL.

    • 巨魔: utu
  440. @Alden

    “You must be one of those women who poured over all the pictures and articles about Jackie, Ethel Joan and Rose in all those magazines glorifying them.”

    I was in a Barnes and Noble today and the magazine racks had new Special Issues with those very pictures and articles.

    • 回复: @Alden
  441. @Alden

    Why not wait a few months and help the anti Kennedy Democrats and the republican candidate in the 1964 election?

    So, as Ron argued in comment 226, look for those who couldn’t afford to wait until November 1964.

    This suggests that the CIA were not running the conspiracy. However, they would have helped with the cover-up, if only to avoid the charge that they didn’t detect and thwart the plot.

    It is also possible that they became aware of a plot, and did not act to prevent it, because they wanted it to succeed. Like the Mossad agents who were tracking Al Qaeda in the US and were seen celebrating on 9/11.

  442. @Alden

    I always heard the Kennedy hobbyists were a lot of lunatics.. These comments confirm it. No real suspects, just ridiculous wanking over autopsy photos

    Odd that you should make this comment on an article that discusses real suspects who are usually overlooked.

    • 回复: @Alden
  443. @CanSpeccy

    Thus according to a memo from FBI Director Edgar J. Hoover to President Johnson’s office, the Soviets believed that the assassination was the result of “some well-organized conspiracy on the part of the ‘ultraright’ in the United States to effect a ‘coup.’”

    RFK had privately told the Soviets the same thing.

  444. D. K. 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I just thought to look up victim James Tague on Wikipedia.org– where I learned that he was a fellow Hoosier, by birth, and also a fellow Purdue Boilermaker (albeit he dropped out to join the Air Force)! This is what Wikipedia.org claims in its introduction: “Tague received a minor wound to his right cheek immediately prior to the assassination, caused by tiny pieces of concrete debris from a street curb that was struck by fragments from the bullet that killed Kennedy.” In the nearly thirty years in which I have studied the JFK assassination, avocationally, I cannot recall having encountered this claim before my just reading it on Wikipedia.org. The entire reason for Arlen Specter’s infamous “Single-Bullet Theory” was to account for the fact that one of the three bullets alleged to have been fired by the “lone nut” had missed its target altogether, and collaterally wounded Mr. Tague by its defacing of the curb along the south side of Elm Street. The claim also is internally inconsistent, of course, by claiming that Tague was wounded “immediately prior to the assassination,” while also claiming that his wound was caused by “fragments from the bullet that killed Kennedy.”

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  445. @peterAUS

    3 shots within 7 seconds..no way.
    3 shots within 9 seconds..doable.
    3 shots within 12 seconds……easy.

    There were 3 shots within 12 seconds from the TSBR. Life Magazine muddied the waters by claiming that the Zapruder film covered the whole of the shooting, but in fact it omitted the first shot (which missed).

    Though of course there may have been other shooters…

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  446. Skeptikal 说:
    @lysias

    I absolutely agree re Mary Pinchot Meyer (and Douglass names so many o thers who checked out a day or so before they were supposed to provide new info). I havne’t read Janney’s book but watched a detailed documentary on the murder and its background and also read up on Cord Meyer, the Ben Bradlee connection, the Angleton connection. All extremely suspicious and the Bradlee involvement can’t help but set Watergate antennae twitching. Can anyone imagine that Mary’s sister and her husband gave no thought to the possible reasons why Mary had been eliminated???

    I have read Russ Baker’s Family of Secrets and find it convincing concerning a Bush involvement in Dallas. But what would have been the motivation for Bush? The Bushes were more friendly to the Arabs than to Israel, I believe. Would Bush be involved purely as a CIA man with no other motivation other than being a company man? Would Bush have known about the elements that are being discussed on this thread (and others), namely, the likely involvement of the Israelis, the mob (as executioners), the Texas pols (who probably controlled teh Dallas Police). Was Bush a Navy man? Would Bush have had any interest in seeing Johnson become president? Would there be a Vietnam motivation such a desire to see the American involvement continue and not be wound down? That doesn’t seem like a sufficient motivation for Bush. Maybe Baker discusses this and I have forgotten what he said about this.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
    , @Skeptikal
  447. Alden 说:
    @Paul Jolliffe

    But why would Curtis Lemay obey orders of the CIA killers?

    • 回复: @Paul Jolliffe
  448. peterAUS 说:
    @James N. Kennett

    There were 3 shots within 12 seconds from the TSBR. Life Magazine muddied the waters by claiming that the Zapruder film covered the whole of the shooting, but in fact it omitted the first shot (which missed).

    Well, in that case no problem with Oswald being the single shooter.

    Though of course there may have been other shooters…

    真正。
    I just don’t believe that.

    Summary of my own:
    Oswald was a CIA guy.
    Some people within CIA knew he was going to try to assassinate the President. That qualifies as collusion and, probably, even as a conspiracy. Don’t know.
    After the fact they did their best to cover up their knowledge.
    The rest is incompetence and power play.

    谁在乎。
    Digging into/around that event has nothing to do with the event itself.
    Motives, agendas…actually 需要….are 东西 其他。

    The day the dream died

    What would President Kennedy have made of AIPAC, if he hadn’t been murdered?

    Ethics , idealism , class, intelligence and beauty: the Kennedys will never be forgotten.

    ….Camelot….

    Etc….etc……

    Feels almost as….religion. US brand of it.

    难怪。

    • 回复: @Alden
  449. @Alden

    Oh my God crazier and crazier.

    Yes. Participants here are loonies — conspiracy theorists. They will take anything — anything at all — to absurd, demented lengths, in pursuit of extremes of wild imagination. It is amusing for the sane to read — until nausea sets in.

    You have probably noticed that most posts are from people who do not comment much on other topics. 2000 comments on this insanity/inanity, all told, each one nuttier than the previous. I think Unz did this for kicks.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
    , @Alden
  450. @Skeptikal

    Would Bush have had any interest in seeing Johnson become president?

    What difference did it make to Bush? If Johnson had not become President, JFK, surely a more popular Democrat, would have been re-elected, which would not have been in anyway to be preferred by a Republican.

  451. @Alden

    Kennedy was always presented as a cold warrior.

    But in the event, he proved not to be. To repeat myself:

    He failed to give the Soviets a bloody nose over the Cuban missile base. He failed to back the CIA-orchestrated Bay of Pigs invasion of Communist Cuba, and he indicated he’d back out of the war against Communist revolution in Vietnam if he won in ’64. And he would have been unbeatable in ’64.

    By failing to deliver, he proved himself to be, not only soft on Communism, but a double-crosser, who lied his way to the Presidency. Two reasons to eliminate the SOB.

    • 回复: @Alden
  452. @MacNucc11

    Seems to me that the soviets got it partly right.

    When the Soviets said Kennedy was the victim of a right wing coup, they were right.

    Whether Kennedy’s decisions on Cuban matters and Vietnam, judged by his critics to be evidence of weakness, is open to eternal debate.

    Vietnam was certainly no great victory for America. However, it cost the Commies something as well as the Americans. The Vietnamese killed a lot of Americans and brought down a lot of American planes, all with bullets and planes supplied by the Soviets or China. Moreover, the huge American investment in Vietnam signaled to the Communists that America would not ignore Communist aggression wherever it occurred. That may have been a significant deterrent to Communist “adventurism”.

  453. @Sean

    Photo evidence will never be conclusive — at least in a public debate. However much the tramps look like Watergate burglars Hunt and Sturgis, there will be those who say there is no real resemblance. And however unlike Hunt and Sturgis the tramps appear to be, there will be those who say they are a spitting likeness. More significant, therefore, is E. Howard Hunt’s deathbed confession where he appears to admit involvement in the assassination. I am inclined to believe him, because that provides a plausible basis both for the Watergate burglary and Hunt’s role in that burglary.

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Sean
  454. Skeptikal 说:
    @Skeptikal

    I just got an idea re Bush Senior.
    Oil Depletion Allowance.
    Robert Bryce’s “Cronies: Oil, the BUshes, and the Rise of Texas, America’s Superstate” is worth a careful read, as he chronicles the transfer of Bush from Connecticut to Texas. “Heavily documented history of the growth of power of long-entwined families and firms such as the Bushes, the Bakers, the Hunts, and Halliburton.”
    Another description of the book:
    Bryce “tak[es] on the state of Texas and its enormous political influence over American life, from oil and gas to business to foreign policy. Bryce traces the network of Texas “cronies” that he says helped bring Lyndon Johnson and both Bushes to power in the White House.”
    The same “cronies” might have had a hand in getting rid of JFK.
    Bryce describes how the first order of business for any Texas pol, regardless of party, was the protection, in Washington, of the Oil Depletion Allowance. A quick search for “oil depletion allowance” leads to a quote from Phil Nelson, that JFK wanted to eliminate the ODA. More info on that is in the Spartacus article cited below.
    Bush’s position as a Texas oil man, plus his CIA credentials, plus his planned political role would put him on the same side as Johnson if part of the plus of sending Johnson to Washington would have been to protect the ODA—which Johnson had been doing all along—and to protect other big financial interests in Texas.
    As recounted by Bryce, part of Bush’s brief in his political move from Connecticut to Texas was that he was tasked by the party with “turning” the state from being Dem Party territory to being a Republican stronghold. Thus, George Bush Senior was a political operative as well as CIA intelligence operative and in bed with oil interests. It is quite possible that the reason Bush went into the oil business in Texas was to create a good cover for his real political goals. Quite possibly getting Johnson out of Texas and in Washington would be good for Texas oilmen and good for the Republican Party’s designs on Texas. In this scenario, Bush’s CIA role would be subservient to a larger political strategy. In other words, he would be instrumentalizing himself as a CIA asset in service to the Republican Party and the party’s long-term plan for America. If there is anything to this, then Nixon would surely have had some idea of the party’s plans for Texas.

    This essay (http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKoildepletion.htm) on the ODA and centrality of the tax breaks that made the oilmen rich as Croesus lists all the names of the parade of pols who protected the oil money tree in Texas. Weren’t man;y of these in the group that, according to LBJ’s mistress, gathered for a meeting at I think Murchison’s ranch the night before the assassination? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gx6E5JgO5E)
    Johnson “was always in the pay of the oil industry.” The industry that Bush had entered. This background might provide a motivation for Bush to provide CIA support to the plot hatched in Texas. This would meet the “bipartisan” standard for the removal of JFK.

    According to this account, the Texas plotters were already deft in the art of setting up commissions that they could control: “Senators called for an investigation into the lobbying of the oil industry by Thomas Hennings, the chairman of the subcommittee on Privileges and Elections. Johnson was unwilling to allow a senator not under his control to look into the matter. Instead he set up a select committee chaired by Walter F. George of Georgia, a member of the Southern Caucus. Johnson had again exposed himself as being in the pay of the oil industry.”

    Two years into his presidency, Kennedy wanted to do away with the oil depletion allowance: “On 17th January, 1963, President Kennedy presented his proposals for tax reform. This included relieving the tax burdens of low-income and elderly citizens. Kennedy also claimed he wanted to remove special privileges and loopholes. He even said he wanted to do away with the oil depletion allowance. It is estimated that the proposed removal of the oil depletion allowance would result in a loss of around \$300 million a year to Texas oilmen.

    After the assassination of Kennedy, President Lyndon B. Johnson dropped the government plans to remove the oil depletion allowance. Richard Nixon followed his example and it was not until the arrival of Jimmy Carter that the oil depletion allowance was removed.”

    Instead, JFK was done away with. Strangely (dog that didn’t bark?) there is no mention of George Bush in this account.
    I hope others on this thread will read and assess the Spartacus document in light of the Texas original of the plot. It seems to me to lend weight to both the theory of a Texas origin of the plot, a strong motivation for the plot (also, the fact that the Texans surely believed that Johnson should have gotten the 1960 nomination all along), and suggest a possible role for George Bush and explanation for his being in Dallas. Maybe as a Texas oilman he stumbled on the plot, like the looks of it, but never officially came on board, but just decided to travel to Dallas unofficially to keep his thumb on the pulse of what was going on and was wearing only his oilman hat, not his CIA hat. Or, perhaps he was wearing his CIA hat and was a CIA liaison with the Texas faction.

    Another neat parallel between Dallas and 9/11 is that in both cases the Big Event was partially designed to sideline investigations or misdirect attention away from major crimes that had already been committed (the Bobby Baker scandal and the Pentagon’s mislaying multi trillions of dollars). At the same time, even more neatly, the Big Event also resulted in the destruction of the evidence needed to solve the Big Event crime itself (tampering with JFK’s head wounds and other evidence; the destruction of Building 7, which alleged contained documents relating to not only the Pentagon debacle but I think a number of other related investigations and possibly some Silverstein-related material).

  455. peterAUS 说:
    @manorchurch

    You have probably noticed that most posts are from people who do not comment much on other topics. 2000 comments on this insanity/inanity, all told, each one nuttier than the previous.

    不要说

    I think Unz did this for kicks.

    不太确定。

    I believe that the “event” just doesn’t feel completed and he is just trying to make the full sense of it. As some of posters are.

    The problem is that the topic tends to attract ……一定….profiles.
    Some of them quite……有趣.

    • 回复: @manorchurch
  456. @D. K.

    Thanks. If Wikipedia is so far off the pace it suggests that interest in the JFK assassination is in severe decline. And if that is right it is surely OK for 85 year old witnesses to come clean without worrying that James Jesus Angleton’s Israeli godson’s ex Mossad grandson will knock off his family 😉

    • 回复: @James N. Kennett
  457. @utu

    I haven’t tuned into this conversation but I would agree that sex scandal wouldn’t have been reliable enough because there was so much sex scandal involving Kennedy being discussed around Washington that one could only conclude that maybe nobody cared and that it could never be made a big deal of.

  458. Alden 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    You’re right that Kennedy let the Soviet’s run over him. But the millions who worshipped him and his family believed he was a crusader against communism.

  459. Alden 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    I’m confused. What does the watergate burglary have to do with the Kennedy murder?

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  460. Alden 说:
    @David In TN

    Robert Kennedy jr wants to run for president in 2020. The 90 year old Kennedy PR machine is gearing up for that.

    That’s why all the interest in the Kennedys and the memories of Saints John and Robert, martyred before they could save the world.

    插科打诨

  461. Alden 说:
    @peterAUS

    Excellent post you’ve convinced me that the lizard Illuminati did it.

  462. Alden 说:
    @Sean

    I agree. Most of the more rational books mention the back brace. The more lunatic books and their fans ignore the back brace and focus on CIA FBI uniformed Dallas PD snipers.

  463. Alden 说:
    @Carroll Price

    Phillips Andover, Yale and Harvard MBA Bush is no dummy despite what the demo rats claim.

  464. bluedog 说:
    @Alden

    My My My you seem to have a very big dog in this fight,I wonder why you attack everyone who has a different point of view,anyone who thinks that the shinning light on the hill would’nt stoop to killing the president seeing big business controls the country, and wars are very big business for the corporations and bankers that feed from…

  465. ians 说:
    @Alden

    You’ve previously stated pompously that you ‘do not have time to read Who Killed Kennedy books’. Given your stated ignorance and given that the sum total of your moronic contributions to both threads has been to spread misinformation, disinformation and facile crap, why don’t you just butt out and let those with legitimate points to make, on both sides, to discuss those?

    • 回复: @Carroll Price
    , @Alden
  466. ians 说:
    @Alden

    Yet again, you betray your lack of knowledge of the subject with your claims relating to the Tippit killing. Your attempt to bait me is pathetic, as ever.

    • 回复: @Alden
  467. ians 说:
    @Alden

    Castro made extremely cogent arguments why he would not have wanted JFK killed and also pointed out the likely suspects. I also believe Castro had nothing to do with it, based on evidence other than his personal statement.
    Why the pathetic comment about ‘objectivity’?

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  468. @Alden

    I’m confused. What does the watergate burglary have to do with the Kennedy murder?

    Quite possibly nothing at all. But I had a theory, which I wrote about here:

    Did Gerald Ford Blackmail US President Richard Nixon into Resigning Over Complicity in the JFK Assassination?

  469. Skeptikal 说:
    @ians

    Castro did not want Kennedy killed.
    Kennedy, under great risk to himself, had opened a secret unofficial back channel to Castro and wanted to normalize US relations with Cuba.
    Ditto, Kennedy and Khrushchev.

    You can read about the Castro back channel here (and elsewhere):
    Simon Reid-Henry,
    Fidel and Che: A Revolutionary Friendship. 2009.

    • 同意: ians
  470. @Wizard of Oz

    it is surely OK for 85 year old witnesses to come clean without worrying that James Jesus Angleton’s Israeli godson’s ex Mossad grandson will knock off his family

    The CIA operatives of 1963 are retired or dead. It is very unlikely that present-day operatives would feel motivated to kill, in order to preserve the (not particularly hallowed) memory of the organization half a century ago.

    Mossad is a different matter – because, if somebody divulged credible evidence for the Piper hypothesis, it would impact present-day US-Israeli relations.

    • 回复: @manorchurch
  471. ians 说:
    @Alden

    Reduced to hysterical insults now. As you’ve consistently displayed an utter lack of knowledge regarding the events, it’s probably not a surprise. Lunatic may be an appropriate epithet for people who believe in magic bullets ans shots from the rear that exit the back of a head.

  472. @peterAUS

    I believe that the “event” just doesn’t feel completed and he is just trying to make the full sense of it. As some of posters are.

    55 years. 55 years during which, at absolutely no time, did it make any difference whatsoever whether or not there was a conspiracy.

    It’s like Lincoln’s followers shrieking about Jeffersonian connivance in the election that made Burr Vice President.

    Sheer, unvarnished lunacy.

    Shit like “Montezuma was not the legitimate ruler of the Aztecs, so Mexico is not a sovereign country.”

    Lunacy complicated by stupidity, if such is possible.

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
    , @peterAUS
  473. @James N. Kennett

    Mossad is a different matter – because, if somebody divulged credible evidence for the Piper hypothesis, it would impact present-day US-Israeli relations.

    Impossible. Israel, through Israeli-American traitors and Mossad, DEFINES what “US-Israeli relations” are to be. The Congress, Presidency, Supreme Court, military, and federal government are owned and operated by Israel. Lock, stock, and barrel.

    Now, is that all a bad thing? Maybe not. It keeps the US currency stable and competitive, despite a completely-hollow national economy. It provides Israeli-Americans with a low-cost labor supply, while providing Americans with Happy Meals and \$35K vehicles worth \$5K. The rich get richer, right? Existence will be bearable until such point in time as Israel has wrung the last 5-cent dollar out of American workers. By then Israel will hold the entire Middle East, and their attention will turn to doing the same thing to Europe.

    Not my problem: I will have Roy Rogers’ roast beef and strawberry milkshakes until the day I die. Tough on you younger guys, but I’m told the lash becomes bearable, even unnoticed. Good boys get meaningful titles. [nelson laugh]

  474. Sean 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    Hunt is supposed to by one of the three tramps arrested near the assassination just after it . At comment 424 everyone can see press photography of two of the tramps being escorted by police after they were arrested, and of all three tramps being released. They are not even trying to hide their faces, which are crystal clear –some covert operatives! Fletcher Prouty says Air Force Brigadier General Edward Lansdale is a passer-by in the first arrest photo; more like a red carpet photo call by show ponies than anyone practicing counter surveillance techniques

  475. Sean 说:

    Israel had French Mirage jets in 1967. America could have given them better but didn’t.

    Just prior to the outbreak of the Six Day War in 1967, Johnson had dispatched the U.S.S. Liberty, our most advanced intelligence-gathering ship, to remain offshore in international waters and closely monitor the military situation. There have been published claims that he had granted Israel a green-light for its preemptive attack, but fearful of risking a nuclear confrontation with the Soviet patrons of Syria and Egypt, had strictly circumscribed the limits of the military operation, sending the Liberty to keep an eye on developments and perhaps also to “show Israel who was boss.”

    What more land could they have taken and digested? The West Bank was their objective. Perhaps the more pertinent question is what Israel could do with the indigenous population of its actual territorial gains in 1967, Mere limited support against Egypt which had begun getting arms from Czechoslovakia, seen as a move toward being a client state of the Soviet Union.. Nothing to suggest a special holds over Johnson or him operating as a stooge of Israel at all in this.

    Israel did not expel the bulk of West Bank Arabs when it conquered the West Bank in 1967. If Israel could go back and do 1967 over again it would expel the West bank Arabs and yet it 没有做. My reading of history is Israel did not dare expel the occupied territories’ Arabs, because it did not think the US under LBJ would go along with not go along with the Arabs being kicked across the river.

    In the 1973 October War Nixon favoured Israel, no question about it. and the Western economies were never the same after the oil crisis the Arabs retaliated to US -Israel relationship. However Nixon did not expect the oil crises or the war that folowed it because Israel did not start that war. Only after the bruising 1973 war and damage to Western economies did America do something extraordinary for Israel; the Camp David Accords were the US buying off Egypt for Israel and thus freed of the Egyptian deterrent to Israel’s aggression, Israel promptly started attacking Lebanon. Carter was probably motivated by keeping the Egyptians from another war as client state of the Soviet Union, and stablising the energy crisis than helping Israel.

    The big oppertunity israel had to make a clean sweep of future Arab population problem in the West Bank was in 1967 when LBJ was in power, and yet they didn’t dare. Not the most persuasive evidence that Israel had any wedge on LBJ’s Middle East policy decisions, is it?

    • 同意: PV van der Byl
  476. Skeptikal 说:
    @manorchurch

    Actually, it has made a huge difference.
    You are the one who sounds like a lunatic.
    I see it as the sacred duty of my generation, who remember the events of November 22, 1963, and their immediate aftermath—and who have the maturity and perspective to see the links between that day and the trajectory of the USA in the decades that followed—to do all in their power to understand the Dallas event.

    I am finding these essays at UR, including the one by Laurence Guyenot, to be immensely valuable because people are pooling information, theories, and hypotheses and generating some new directions. That is my view. In the course of reaind the essays and the comments, I have been able to sharpen some of my own thoughts on the subject and to see some new combinations.

    Specifically, the current state of my thinking is that the plot originated in Texas, with the Oil Combine, which was, however, also the Texas-based MIC in the form of companies such as Brown & Root. The Oil Combine has determined major aspects of our foreign policy for decades. It sent us to war in throughout the Middle East and thought nothing of deposing and murdering leaders who got in its way. This is the violent political culture of Texas (in Texas, party doesn’t really matter). And of Lyndon Johnson. He was the pawn of the Oil Combine and also, a fixer in DC for Brown & Root.

    Check out Brown & Root and KBR/Halliburton on Wikipedia. The dots just scream to be connected.

    These companies stood to make billions off the Vietnam War, and they did. They built all the military bases. They pioneered the privataization of military construction and procurement and shouldered aside the Army Corps of Engineers (see Bryce, “Cronies”). They owed Johnson a favor.

    Just like in a Western, such as the Magnificent Seven, a few central figures are the core, and they gather more to their team as they progress, each new member having his own reason and his own specialty (Israel, Jewish Mob, Cuban malcontents). And in this case each major “team” member has grunts in the layers below who don’t know the big picture and are siloed. In the “Magnificent Seven” scenario, the core plotters were members of the Oil Combine and Texas MIC. The core of Texas’s power is the megabucks that flow to Texas oil barons from the Oil Depletion Allowance. They will kill to protect it. They wanted to get rid of Kennedy and put Johnson in place. The question cui bono is very easily answered. They all profit bigtime in \$\$\$ and in influence, but Johnson and Co. control the ground, the Dallas Police, Jack Ruby, etc., as someone earlier commented. Possibly the Secret SErvice, although how this could occur is unclear to me.

    Bush enters the picture as an oilman who is probably not really part of the Oil Combine—he is too new to the scene. He probably doesn’t have much of a local power base or influence (but wasn’t he Navy?). His connections are far away, in DC, where the CIA may be taking a “hands-off” approach, as they, too, would like Texas to do the dirty work. Bush gets wind of the plot and reports it to the CIA—or vice versa: someone in the CIA is already on the Texas team. Meanwhile, Bush has his own political agenda in Texas, gaining control of the state for the Republican Party, which the elimination of Johnson from Texas can only advance. He doesn’t give a shite about Kennedy or his program for the USA or anywhere else. Bush’s background is already war profiteering (cf. Prescott Bush/Nazis/Brown Bros Harriman) and making money from oil and international finance. So he brings in a few other CIA guys (3 tramps) to keep an eye on the Event so as to report back to CIA central. very likely the CIA is tasked with surveillance and monitoring of possible leaking and witnesses with getting rid of them one way or another.

    So, that is my current hypothesis. I think that Ron, to get a deeper grasp of all of the elements, may have to read a few books that are not ostensibly about the assassination. I highly recommend Bryce’s Cronies. He sort of does for the political empire of Texas what Douglass does for the USA as a whole in JFK and the Unspeakable.
    This territory may have been covered by Phil Nelson and Roger Stone—I haven’t read their books yet.

    • 回复: @manorchurch
    , @Skeptikal
    , @ians
  477. peterAUS 说:
    @manorchurch

    Well…..not quite.

    There is a missing link there.

    Let’s say that Oswald was the only shooter. I, personally, unless some new data come in, believe that.

    Oswald, at the very minimum, had very close ties with CIA.
    That means having, at least, a “contact”.
    The “contact” was, at the very minimum, supposed to, as a part of his/her job/assignment, “monitor” Oswald and report his work (observations, even hints) to his/her superiors.
    The “contact” must’ve been aware, even slightly, about Oswald’s intention and he/she did put that into the reports.
    那个 is the key here.
    True, the reports could’ve been simply chats, in person/persons,but, still, those people, especially management level, tended to write that down, somewhere. Even in some personal diary. Always.

    So, I believe that a certain level of CIA management knew about Oswald intention.

    The interesting questions would be:
    哪个级别?
    Was any action taken (say, inform FBI/local police/whatever)? If not, why?
    If yes, follow that…..

    Say, no action was taken because it was estimated those were all empty threats. Fine. Incompetence. Those people are paid to make correct estimates.
    Or…..well….they didn’t want to stop that hoping that Oswald would succeed. That qualifies as collusion, even conspiracy.

    我的两分钱。

    • 回复: @manorchurch
    , @Skeptikal
  478. @Skeptikal

    So, that is my current hypothesis.

    There has been no shortage of hypotheses for 55 years. Hundreds of hypotheses, in fact.

    Go ahead — waste your life on conspiracy theorizing. You will achieve nothing. A net loss, unless you can sell enough books. There’s one born every minute, said Barnum.

  479. @peterAUS

    Oh, good lord.

    Write it up. Get it published. I think Unz proves there’s at least a couple dozen out there who will buy the book. IMO, the sales curve is trailing down. But, could be. Santa Claus still sells Christmas presents from Amazon.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  480. Sean 说:

    The CIA are not ten feet tall you know, many at the CIA during the early 60s thought the agency was full of Soviet agents, ie they did not know much about their own turf. The CIA did do high level funding of academics and foreign student and elite art and cultural movements , but they had have few ways of gathering intel on things on the ground in the US–unlike the FBI The FBI were constantly being requested by Angleton to put senior staff at the CIA under the tightest possible surveillance. Philby says the FBI thought CIA were mainly interested in fine food and wine and marrying wealthy women . The FBI was a more effective organisation and very, very intolerant of of the CIA encroaching on the CIA’s domestic remit The FBI knew all about Oswald and not lone before the assassination he phoned asked for an agent by name and left a message to complain about his wife being pestered by special agents doing routine checking up on him .

    The only person in the CIA who was maybe reckless enough to try an assassination plot was the drunken brawling gun-nut, sex addict and head of the agency’s foriegn leader assassination program William King Harvey, but he had sent an unauthorized Mongoose team to Cuba during the Missile Crisis, and as a result was sidelined to Europe as Italy station chief during the time frame of the assassination.

    • 回复: @PV van der Byl
  481. Skeptikal 说:
    @Skeptikal

    “very likely the CIA is tasked with surveillance and monitoring of possible leaking and witnesses with getting rid of them one way or another. ”

    And the CIA supplies the patsy.

  482. Skeptikal 说:
    @peterAUS

    “I, personally, unless some new data come in, believe that.”
    Gosh this is hard to grasp.
    So much data are in that utterly undermine the official narrative
    Even the Committee on Investigating the assassination (can’t recall exact name) concluded that there had been a conspiracy. Are you saying that the conspiracy went to work to put all of their confidence in one lone shooter, one bullet, one guy who didn’t have much of a record for straight shooting?

    What type of more new data would shake your faith in the single-shooter single-bullet story?

    • 回复: @peterAUS
    , @Alden
  483. Sean 说:
    @utu

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/22/jfk-documents-could-show-the-truth-about-a-diplomats-death-47-years-ago

    In a once-classified 2013 internal CIA report, the agency’s chief historian concluded that the CIA had conducted a “benign cover-up” to withhold “incendiary” information. The cover-up, the report said, was intended to keep the commission focused on “what the Agency believed at the time was the ‘best truth’ – that Lee Harvey Oswald, for as yet undetermined motives, had acted alone in killing John Kennedy”.

    CIA files on Oswald that remain classified today are likely more things about what he said to staff of Cuban Consulate and the meeting and the call to KGB at the Soviet Embassy. We already know the Warren commission omitted from its report loose hearsay pointing to a possible Oswald motive of helping Castro. Funny way of making him a ‘patsy’, to hide incriminating reports of his meeting with emissaries of a communist regieme JFK was trying to overthrow. As to what the stuff in CIA archives that is still classified is about, everyone must draw their own conclusions. But we know what happened a couple of weeks later, don’t we?

  484. Goatweed 说:

    Did Oswald try to kill General Walker for the CIA?

  485. peterAUS 说:
    @manorchurch

    Write it up. Get it published.

    我为什么要这么做?

    You know, not everybody is in making money. Some of us have enough for a life we like.

    Besides, what to write, really?

    That Oswald had connections to CIA?
    That serious outfits maintain contacts with their former assets/employees?
    That those contacts get documented?
    That low/middle management of bureaucracies make mistakes? Funny, a?
    That low/middle management of bureaucracies first loyalty is to their careers?
    That low/middle management of bureaucracies when making a mistake do their best to cover them up/pass it to somebody else?
    That higher one goes up the chain of management/bureaucracies people are better in that game?

    That’s for incompetence/covering up somebody’s ass.
    Not important.

    You refuse to accept a fact that the real schemers, and people working in such outfits are good at that, are able to subtly guide, even help, people doing something they want.
    Hint here and there in conversation; lost document here and there. “Forgetting” to report/write down an observation. Things like that.
    I am not saying it happened, but could’ve happened. Impossible to prove a negative, of course.
    “Did you have a feeling that Oswald was going to….”? “Yes, vague, but I really believed he was only bragging”.
    “Did you write that down?” “Yes, but did emphasize it was just bragging”.
    等等...等等。

    Of all the people commenting here I got a feeling for only a couple who worked in such environments and get the game.

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
    , @manorchurch
  486. peterAUS 说:
    @Skeptikal

    很高兴。

    以上皆是 side of this…ahm….”discussion” think I am utterly wrong.
    Hehe….funny, a?

    Hahaha…you are like the other fellow I just responded.
    Crackup. Love this site. Thank you Unz.

    Are you saying that the conspiracy went to work to put all of their confidence in one lone shooter, one bullet, one guy who didn’t have much of a record for straight shooting?

    Depends of what kind of conspiracy we are talking about.
    Yes, yes, I know, if “conspiracy” then it must’ve included Johnson, Illuminati, lizards and Satan.
    I have another for you.
    “Collusion, on low level, which could be seen as conspiracy”. Maybe some lawyers here could clarify.

    I’ll spell it for you and your types.
    I am a local CIA chief (whatever the title was/is/will be). As in Dallas area.
    I have a couple of guys below me. One of them has a job/assignment, to “monitor” Oswald. We just had a chat over drinks. He mentioned Oswald planing “that”. He is not sure how serious it is, my call. My…….call….
    Don’t like the President. Wouldn’t be bad if Oswald, or whoever, does that.
    I’ll “archive” that. My estimate is, “not serious/requires no further action”.
    故事结束

    Now, when it happens I do my best to “dissapear” the report in limbo.

    Am I conspirator? Or just doing “collusion”? Or, well, I was simply making a wrong call?
    Wrong ……………call…….
    Now…hehe…..now it’s funny…..do you think that my superriors, how didn’t like the President even more than me, would punish me for that…ahm….”oversight/mistake”?

    Tell me…have YOU ever made a mistake in your work and then tried your best to cover that mistake? Rhetorical question, of course.

    What type of more new data would shake your faith in the single-shooter ..

    你可能是说
    What type of more new data would shake your estimate in the single-shooter …?

    Finding another gun would help. Or a shooter. Hopefully both.

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
    , @Skeptikal
  487. Skeptikal 说:
    @peterAUS

    Manochurch is a troll.
    I wouldn’t bother to try to respond to anything he/she says
    His/her brief is not to join in a discussion but rather to ridicule and annoy those who do and try to in fact ridicule them out of further participation.

    I expect he/she is paid by someone to do this.
    Otherwise, why else would he/she bother?
    As with “anon” on the first JFK thread, I can’t imagine why he/she wastes his/her time reading this thread and spending his/her valuable time and energy—irrecoverable hours from his/her life— writing trollish messages unless he/she is a paid troll.

    • 同意: ians
    • 回复: @utu
    , @peterAUS
    , @manorchurch
  488. Skeptikal 说:
    @peterAUS

    Manochurch is a troll.
    I wouldn’t bother to try to respond to anything he/she says
    His/her brief is not to join in a discussion but rather to ridicule and annoy those who do and try to in fact ridicule them out of further participation.

    I expect he/she is paid by someone to do this.
    Otherwise, why else would he/she bother?
    As with “anon” on the first JFK thread, I can’t imagine why he/she wastes his/her time reading this thread and spending his/her valuable time and energy—irrecoverable hours from his/her life— writing trollish messages unless he/she is a paid troll.

    • 同意: utu
    • 回复: @Alden
  489. Skeptikal 说:
    @peterAUS

    “your types”

    那是什么意思?

    “Finding another gun”
    You mean, a weapon—that is, evidence—that someone, a highly skilled sniper, just left lying around to be found?
    Sort of like the passports that just drifted down from the WTC?
    What has happened to common sense?

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  490. @peterAUS

    You refuse to accept a fact that the real schemers, and people working in such outfits are good at that, are able to subtly guide, even help, people doing something they want.

    Moi? Mais non. 😉

    There are some well-established physical facts. Particularly, Kennedy was killed by two 6.5mm bullets from the Mannlicher-Carcano owned by Lee Harvey Oswald.

    There’s the confirmed, verifiable physical facts of the assassination, right there.

    Was there a vast, multinational, multi-participant, deep, dark, mysterious P – L – O – T ?????? [Gasp!]

    Dunno. Could be. Fifty-five years later, it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever. And, why grown men would spend hours a-burble with imagined discovery, in 2018, just fucking beggars belief.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  491. Arioch 说:

    Hijacking the thread fir Saturday!

    A little quiz for you all, Kremlin shills and fake news spreaders here.

    I am putting a quote and you try to guess WHO published that gem.

    [更多]

    它去了:
    〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜
    To highlight the progress that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have made under his command, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has cited a military index created by a clickbait military-themed site without any expert, academic, military or government endorsements.

    这个网站, GlobalFirepower.com, ranked Ukraine’s military 29th globally in its “2018 Military Strength Ranking.” In his May 8th nationally televised address, President Poroshenko called Global Firepower an “independent, authoritative analytical center.” The site is virtually unheard of among respected military experts and academics we consulted, and is apparently run by an American blogger and web-entrepreneur named Daniel Puczek whose other online ventures include weddingdresscreator.com and other infotainment sites. GlobalFirepower.com 是的一部分 MilitaryFactory.com network of sites and “Military Factory” is a trademark registered to Puczek
    〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜

    So, some bitter knowledgable person calls out cheap propagandists on promiscuously using non-expert sources.

    Now, the QUIZ: guess where on Earth did i find this gem?

    Answer goes in….
    9
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    1

    在这里,它是: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2018/06/29/ukrainian-president-cites-clickbait-ranking-national-address/

    Of all places to complain about fake experts and non-experts – Bellingcat!

    Ж8-[…]

    This shit just can’t get any better.

  492. utu 说:
    @Skeptikal

    你是对的, manochurch is a troll but is 彼得·澳斯 not a troll?

    • 回复: @manorchurch
    , @Skeptikal
  493. peterAUS 说:
    @Skeptikal

    I expect he/she is paid by someone to do this.
    Otherwise, why else would he/she bother?

    You aware of the concept called “introspection”?

    Because the quote above could apply to you too…..

    True, much easier to call anyone you disagree with “troll”.

    He has a certain conviction and posts here; you do the same; I do the same.
    有什么不同?

    裂了。

  494. peterAUS 说:
    @Skeptikal

    You mean, a weapon—that is, evidence—that someone, a highly skilled sniper, just left lying around to be found?

    What has happened to common sense?

    Agree. Common sense I mean.

    As the concept of a “murder weapon” and such.

  495. peterAUS 说:
    @manorchurch

    Particularly, Kennedy was killed by two 6.5mm bullets from the Mannlicher-Carcano owned by Lee Harvey Oswald.

    There’s the confirmed, verifiable physical facts of the assassination, right there.

    真正。

    As the fact that Oswald had strong connections with CIA.

    Was there a vast, multinational, multi-participant, deep, dark, mysterious P – L – O – T ?????? [Gasp!] Dunno. Could be.

    我不认为如此。

    I think there was a collusion within low/mid level CIA management.

    Fifty-five years later, it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever.

    You mean if a collusion, at least, is proven, it wouldn’t affect certain branches of US intelligence community? At least how general public perceives them?
    当然…..

    And, why grown men would spend hours a-burble with imagined discovery, in 2018, just fucking beggars belief.

    You mean “why grown men would spend hours discussing a possibility of incompetence, even a collusion, within US intelligence community, regarding assassination of US President”?
    True. Better to watch Kardashians. Or go shopping. Taking selfies for FB too.
    是的…..

    • 回复: @peterAUS
    , @manorchurch
  496. @Skeptikal

    Uh-oh. Skeptical is cynical.

    Do I laugh at you? Hell, yes. You’re a credulous idiot.

    Am I wasting my time? Well, I am listening to a damn good recording of “Revolver” at the moment.

    我赢了。

  497. peterAUS 说:
    @peterAUS

    And, just to be clear:

    If I had an absolute proof that there was a collusion within US intelligence community regarding the assassination I would not do anything about it.
    任何事物。

    That is where I do agree, up to a point, with

    Fifty-five years later, it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever.

    It would be some, minor, difference:
    Memories about certain, long gone, figures would be tarnished. People connected to them in any way, today, could have some minor difficulties too (public perception etc).
    It would give some ammo to certain parties within the intelligence community and Government in general in their 当前 power play.

    It would create a major difference in my life and probably lives people connected to me. At least unpleasant and most likely really bad.

    • 回复: @manorchurch
  498. @Sean

    Excellent book on the cultural differences and institutional competition between the CIA and the FBI.

    • 回复: @prusmc
  499. @Alden

    USAF Chief of Staff Curtis LeMay hated President Kennedy. LeMay regarded JFK’s foreign policy as a giveaway to the Soviets. LeMay wanted nuclear war with the USSR, and JFK stood in his way.

    This has been well-documented and written about in many publications, even “left-wing” magazines such as The New Yorker, for decades.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1995/06/19/the-general-and-world-war-iii

    https://medium.com/war-is-boring/god-no-the-u-s-air-force-doesn-t-need-another-curtis-lemay-37de19c11652

    • 回复: @Paul Jolliffe
    , @Alden
  500. @Paul Jolliffe

    During the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis, at a moment of maximum tension and danger, here is Curtis LeMay telling President Kennedy “he is in a pretty bad fix” for refusing to order air strikes and an all-out invasion on Cuba:

    • 回复: @Paul Jolliffe
  501. @Paul Jolliffe

    Sorry, that was the wrong video clip in the previous comment. Ignore it (it’s a parody, not the real thing.)

    Here is the actual tape:

    https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/educational-resources/you-re-in-a-pretty-bad-fix

    • 回复: @Sean
  502. @peterAUS

    You mean “why grown men would spend hours discussing a possibility of incompetence, even a collusion, within US intelligence community, regarding assassination of US President”?

    Chacun a son gout, 一如既往。

    I do not believe the case is made regarding Oswald as a CIA asset. While the fact of his move to and from Russia, in 1963 post-Cuba-crisis no less, is a bit suspect for other reasons, it does point emphatically to him NOT being a CIA asset. JMHO.

    That is, I really don’t see the CIA regarding him as a threat to the CIA, thus “to-be-eliminated”. Not to be invidious, but the CIA I’ve met are bean-counters (in the sense of data-gathering, not accounting). Troublemakers, yes — they destabilized Central America with bribes and gun-running to multiple opposing groups.

    Next thing you’ll be telling me is I can’t watch Jeopardy ’cause it’s dumb.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  503. @peterAUS

    It would create a major difference in my life and probably lives people connected to me. At least unpleasant and most likely really bad.

    Yeah, that. Mostly, I see it as utterly and pathetically counterproductive. 1963 is just waaaaay too far back to affect the present or future.

    Better to spend one’s time awakening America, don’t you think? It’s almost too late.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  504. @utu

    “Manorchurch”, you disgusting little CIA weasel. A man of the One True God.

  505. Skeptikal 说:
    @utu

    A troll isn’t someone you disagree with.
    This is another trollish comment.
    So I guess PAUS is probably also a troll.

    I find it quite fascinating that commenters who pour out reams of material rehashing the causes of WW2 seem to want to shut down threads devoted to inquiry regarding the truth behind Dallas 1963.
    This topic seems to threaten quite a few commenters.

  506. prusmc 说: • 您的网站
    @PV van der Byl

    SO there is a different culture between the Hooverite’s and the CIA? WHAT is the common denominator : corruption and launching a current coup to take down the President. Would the past be the key to the present.

  507. Skeptikal 说:
    @The Alarmist

    I think you are on the right track with LBJ and Bush.
    But Bush had more in the game than this.

  508. @ians

    Hasbara agents like Anon, Wizard of Oz and a few others like Peter AUS are apparently compensated by volume, not quality. I assume their managers have simply given up on any legitimate approach and come to the conclusion that the only possible way to combat Giraldi is flooding the comment section of his articles with meaningless bullshit.

    • 同意: jacques sheete, Iris
    • 回复: @Alden
  509. Alden 说:
    @Carroll Price

    I only wish I were a well paid Hasbara agent. Sounds like a great job, lying in the couch cruising the internet and being paid for it

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  510. Alden 说:
    @Paul Jolliffe

    I didn’t know that. I generally don’t believe a word in left wing publications.

  511. Alden 说:
    @ians

    You betray your naive credulous belief in the craziest of the 2, 000 books about the murder.

    The more of the books I read the less I believed any of them.

  512. Alden 说:
    @ians

    I read about 50 of the Who Killed Kennedy books 1998 to 2000. I considered them very entertaining in the genre of Le Caree Deighton and other spy thriller books.

    Reading them all at once made me realize they were all nonsense. I wouldn’t pay 50 cents at a garage sale for any of them.

  513. Alden 说:
    @manorchurch

    Never saw Iris Turnip truck ians before.
    They’ve probably been going to the Kennedy hobbyist conventions for years. The younger generation goes to the Star Trek conventions

    The difference is that the Star Trek hobbieists know it’s all a fantasy.

    • 回复: @ians
    , @manorchurch
  514. Alden 说:
    @James N. Kennett

    What suspects? Most of the suspects are not people but government agencies and big oil big steel Dallas PD.
    But the only names I’ve seen are George Bush which is just a fantasy and the men who did the Watergate burglary 11 years later.

    People commit conspiracies, not agencies and business organizations.

  515. Sean 说:

    Eisenhower was going to overthrow Castro and the plan that turned into the Bay of Pigs was inherited by JFK .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian%E2%80%93Czechoslovak_arms_deal
    […] Nasser’s hope was that faced with the prospect of Egypt buying Soviet weapons, and thus coming under Soviet influence, the Eisenhower administration would be forced to sell Egypt the weapons he wanted.[.] The news in September 1955 of the Egyptian purchase of a huge quantity of Soviet arms via Czechoslovakia was greeted with shock .

    Eisenhower was concerned to keep the US dominant in the Middle East and the USSR out of that region (a major reason for opposing the Suez invasion was to keep from inciting the Nasser to fall under Soviet influence and being given arms they would use against Israel. With its large population, a Soviet armed Egypt would be dangerous to Israel. He thought that Israel was safest without arms from the Soviets coming into the area. Thus Eisenhower tried to supply Nasser with weapons (opposed by the american public )and did not give Israel advanced weapons out of concern for Israel. Eisenhower was also concerned about the defence of south Vietnam, considered a extremely difficult problem that could not be shirked, not turning into another Chinese intervention in the way the Korean war did.

    President Kennedy made the Bay of pigs Plan more low key and the CIA did not tell him that this would make getting off the beach and into the mountains very difficult. The CIA officers involved in the operation (including Howard Hunt) were shunted by the Kennedy administration into its new Covert Action for the Domestic Operations Division, which the CIA leadership strongly opposed. and exBay of Pigs Howard Hunt was Chief of Covert Action for the Domestic Operations Division, where he “dealt largely with the subsidizing and manipulation of news and publishing organizations in the US“. Then CIA director gave him the assignment of writing a series of 彼得沃德 spy novels the US’s answer to James Bond (see 点击此处.

    Kennedy was in the tradition of Eisenhower by trying to avoid an arms race in the Middle East On Israel Kennedy was forced to send the very first advanced American weapons (HAWK AA missiles) to Israel (now facing Egypt with MiGs), but he also tried to keep Nasser from getting in even deeper with the Soviets and to portray the US as an honest broker in order to keep other nuclear powers from pressuring Israel over its nuclear weapons program. The US strategy was to keep the inspections in friendly hands (when Dimona was finally inspected many years later, it was by a Jewish American, who made a perfunctory look round and reported nothing improper was going on). President Kennedy faced a South Vietnam that was turning into a conventional military confrontation with the communist North and indirectly with its backers especially China whose direct intervention was to be avoided at all costs. To this end JFK tried to keep the war fought by South Vietnamese with America taking a back seat. President Kennedy sending US counterinsurgency experts and military advisers into Vietnam and speaking of the need to keep the war South Vietnamese effort, one that the US could withdraw from as soon as possible was NOT an indication that he ever contemplated withdrawal from South Vietnam before a military victory over the Communists had pacified the country. “Bear any burden” and all that. America was willing to lose rather that fight the Chinese army, but it was not willing to quit before it had been beaten. To make south Vietnam more effective at fighting the communists Kennedy approved the overthrow of the Diem brothers

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Lansdale#Vietnam
    According to Daniel Ellsberg, who was at one time a subordinate to Lansdale, Lansdale claimed that he was fired by President Kennedy’s Defense Secretary Robert McNamara after he declined Kennedy’s offer to play a role in the overthrow of the Diem regime

    When he became President, Lyndon B. Johnson greatly increased the US’s commitment in Vietnam in a surreptitious manner seriously straining the economy and his political credibility. The resources that LBJ was able to devote to Vietnam also greatly decreased his political capital internationally and thus the support he was able to give Israel. Israel was not able to sweep the bulk of the Arabs out of the West Bank Territories it captured in 1967, something I am sure is now thought a major mistake.

    Under Nixon the US was trying to disengage from Vietnam by bombing the North Vietnamese into accepting the concessions that the US was making. However, Daniel Ellsberg became a secret source for The New York Times and 1971 Ellsberg’ leag of the Pentagon Papers demonstrated, that the Johnson Administration “systematically lied, not only to the public but also to Congress” in going ever deeper into Vietnam. Howard Hunt, now retired from the CIA because he was regarded as not very good at intelligence operations, was brought into Libby’s White House covert operations squad of ex CIA and ex FBI to find out where the leaks were coming from, and they bugged Ellsberg ‘s doctor. they also, for reasons that are mysterious bugged minor functionaries’ desks (not where top level matters were discussed) in the Democratic party headquartered in Watergate building. It is worth noting that John Dean who had sent them in to place the bugs was once sacked from a law firm because “He was alleged to have started negotiating his own private deal for a TV station broadcast license, after his firm had assigned him to do the same exact thing for a client of theirs.”. There have been allegations, supported by Gordon Liddy, that Dean may have been doing something something similar in the Watergate bugging, ie clandestinely leveraging his employer’s resources for the furtherance of a personal project of John Dean’s. Unlike Liddy, Howard Hunt cooperated with the investigation. Even so his fines and legal costs over the affair amounted to a million dollars and he became bankrupt.